BTC Sessions - WHY ARE WE BULLISH? Mickey Koss, Nozomi Hayase, The Bitcoin Explorers ep320

Episode Date: February 4, 2023

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the show, another Friday, another episode of Why Are We Bullish. I've got a killer panel this evening. I'm very excited to have everyone here. Yeah, and actually, all first timers on the show. So, yeah, it should be a good one. Very excited. Of course, this is live.

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Well, they did one in San Francisco in 2019. 2020 was canceled. And then Miami 2021, 2022. Be there back again this year. Yeah, so very excited about that. It's coming. It's coming. And it's just the first of a number of places I'm going to be this year.

So excited to get traveling again this year. So yeah, B.TC slash conference. Use code BTC sessions for 10% off. Enough for rambling, though. I need to get my guests in here. I'm very excited to have them all. So I'm going to dump you all in here. Mickey, we've got Ricky and Laura and we've got Nazomi.

Welcome all to the show. I'm so happy to have you all. I think the best place to start is we'll do a quick round of who are you and what do you do? So Mickey, I'm going to go to you first. I'm going to let you do a little intro, let people know who you are. Hey, everybody. I'm Mickey, kind of like quintessential Pleb, dad, husband, and, guest contributor to Bitcoin magazine. Thanks for having me.

Awesome. Glad to have you. I had a whole bunch of people comment and say that I should have you on the show. And I was like, yeah, sure, of course. So I'm glad you're here. The squad came in strong for me. They did. They did. I was inundated. So yeah, welcome, man. Glad to have you. The Bitcoin Explorers. Hey, hey. Ciao, guys. Ciao from Italy, guys. We are Ricky and Laura.

We are the Bitcoin Explorers. We travel the world chronically in Bitcoin adoption, especially in emerging markets. Thanks for having us, Ben. I'm so glad to have you guys. It was great hanging out with you in France last year. And by the way, I meant to ask you guys, are you going to be at home in kind of like late July through August? you're going to be out traveling again it depends what do you have for us i'm going to be in italy with my family i'm spending well that's a yes july is a good month because most of the conference

they start in august so yeah yeah and spring is good it's like perfect weather in italy so you should come to milan we are the good guys to know in milan it's going to be fun we will be in milan but it might be it might be a little bit later in August, unfortunately. So if you guys are hitting all the conferences, I might just miss you, but I'll keep in touch either way. Well, I'm glad to have you both. Good to see you guys again. And let's jump to Nozomi.

Welcome. First time on the show. Can you give yourself a little intro? Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm Nozomi. I'm a prolific writer in the Bitcoin space. I've been writing since 2013, and I also contribute to the Bitcoin magazine. Awesome. I'm so happy to have you. I've seen that you've been, yeah, you've been pumping out the content and I thought it would be a good idea to have you on. So I'm excited to chat and dive into everything. So again, welcome all. Let's get into it. Anybody watching that's unfamiliar, this is why are we bullish? Very simple concept. Each of us is coming with something that we're excited about, something that we're bullish about in and around Bitcoin. And it can really be anything. Whatever you're little heart desires. And so we're going to go by the three R's. Somebody's going to drop a reason why they're bullish. Then together, we're all going to riff on that reason. And then finally,

we're going to rotate until we all get a turn. So reason, riff, rotate, simple. I'm going to get us started today. And I think I'm getting us started on a bit of a spicy topic today because there's a lot of people that are displeased right now. And my news feed is inundated on Twitter with all of this crap. But I'll get into specifically what I'm talking about momentarily. But I'm going to preface this with I'm kind of beginning to feel bullish. And this is not the first time I felt bullish about this, but I'm feeling bullish about Bitcoin censorship resistance.

And so when I say that, I mean, you know, it's a protocol. There's a set of rules. And if you abide within those rules, then you can utilize the network as you see fit. And that means that sometimes people are going to utilize Bitcoin in a way that pisses a lot of other people off. and if Bitcoin works as we think it works, there's not a damn thing we can do about it. And so obviously some of you have probably figured out that I'm talking about ordnals. Right in the comment section first. Ordinals jump.

Yeah. So yes, a lot of people are pissed off about this. A lot of people think it's kind of a stupid waste of space. on the Bitcoin blockchain. In fact, I would agree. You know, posting JPEGs on the Bitcoin blockchain, I think is kind of dumb. Like, I mean, I don't think it's the best use of block space. However, I do recognize that these are valid transactions and they've paid fees.

I think it brings up a lot of interesting topics in and around that, though. So for those unfamiliar ordinals, effectively you can inscribe a JPEG, an image, whatever, onto the Bitcoin blockchain. And one of the most, should I use the term egregious examples of this was Udi, inscribing a giant JPEG of himself as like the Reddit Bitcoin wizard, except for it says like taproot wizards and it's bald and it has this signal. your glasses and you did it with Luxor mining. And it was the largest Bitcoin block ever mined at almost four minutes, which is kind of insane. And I think, again, I looked at it and I was like, oh, God, this is so stupid. But at the same time, you know, you pay fees, you get a block mine, you have transactions, you know, in the Bitcoin blockchain. And, you know, it's valid. And so there's a things I wanted to touch on with this is one, I don't think we get to a point where

so much of this is happening that it just pushes out all transactions and we can't transact. I think that it becomes that the economic reality of scarce block space comes to a head at some point. So right now, it's easy to occasionally pump out a four megabyte block with a giant JPEG in it and pay minimal fees. But sooner or later, enough people start doing this. It gets pretty expensive to start doing it en masse. And all of a sudden, the same people that were more than willing to fill up a block with a silly picture might start thinking twice when it's going to cost them hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so. So yeah, and furthermore, if you don't like it, pay a higher fee.

That's kind of how the Bitcoin blockchain works. Furthermore, we've created off ramps so that if you are negatively impacted by on-chain fees, you can move to layer two. You can be transacting via lightning. It's not perfect, but there's far more resources to do things like that than there ever were before. I also wanted to mention that this isn't the first time that silly things have been done on the Bitcoin blockchain that have taken up space.

So look back years ago, Satoshi Dice, basically online gambling, poker that was on a website and every single transaction from every single game was settled directly to the Bitcoin blockchain. And it very quickly started filling up blocks until. the economic reality became that it was too expensive to do. And it basically went bust. Same thing we saw in 2017, blocks filled up before we kind of had, you know, some, optimization on chain.

And exchanges weren't batching, right? Every single withdrawal was an individual transaction. And all of a sudden that got, that activity got too expensive. And exchanges started saying, okay. Okay, yeah, we're going to batch transactions. Now, even Coinbase batches transactions. I mean, they took the longest to do it, but they eventually did it because of the market pressure. And the last thing that I wanted to touch on, there is the issue of illegal data put onto the Bitcoin blockchain.

And this is probably the most interesting one because there's going to be, you know, obviously it's going to happen. In fact, I think it already has. But there's going to be types of content, first of all, that every single person on this panel, every single person watching finds entirely distasteful and disgusting and should be scrubbed from the internet. And then there's also going to potentially be freedom-oriented bits of information that are embedded forever as well. So, you know, for those that are kind of second amendment loving individuals, again, 3D printed blueprints for guns on the Bitcoin blockchain is probably going to end up being a thing. for totalitarian regimes that have tried to cover up past, you know, imposition on people's freedom, irrefutable proof of that, like put on the Bitcoin blockchain as an ordinal. That's a possibility.

I think there's a lot of things to think about on top of that, you know, I see in the comments that I won't say the specific examples, but you can also put some pretty awful things on there that I'm sure nobody will be excited to see. I think in the end, it's important that we realize that Bitcoin is for enemies. And, you know, depending on the locale, obviously crime is crime. I think you should punish the crime, not the medium. But also, there's going to be situations where maybe a little bit of data put onto the Bitcoin blockchain means freedom for people.

And at the end of the day, I keep on thinking back to something that Jeff Booth said to me. He went down to El Salvador. He spoke with a lot of people that hated Bitcoin. He discussed it with them for a while. He kind of told them how it works. And they began to say, well, okay, so we can see some utility here potentially. But you've been so positive. Tell us the worst thing about Bitcoin.

And his response was, the worst thing about Bitcoin is that you have to be okay with the fact that your enemy, the person that you hate can use it. And even beyond that, you have to be okay with the fact that because your enemy can use it unimpeded, it makes it better and stronger for yourself. So at the end of the day, everybody's super pissed off about JPEGs on Bitcoin. But I think of no better example of Bitcoin censorship resistance than Bitcoiners hating what's currently happening on Bitcoin and not being able to change it. So I'm going to leave it at that.

I think, again, reiterate, I think it's dumb, but I also think it points of some interesting things about Bitcoin. So I'm going to open it up. Anybody who wants to dive in, thoughts, comments, questions, whoever, feel free. Well, you know, it's interesting that this is now getting a lot of attention. But this is nothing, I mean, in my opinion, nothing new. because, for instance, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, he put U.S. diplomatic cables onto the blockchain, you know.

And so that, you know, I mean, some might argue that these documents are illegal. You know, they are stolen from the U.S. government, right? But, I mean, so, I mean, so this has been already done. And then also, Bitcoin is permissionless technology. So anyone can use it in a way that they want to use it. And the revolutionary aspect of Bitcoin really is that, like you say, it's a sense of resistance, right? So that attracts many people who are, you know, smart enough to understand the, you know, the importance of this technology. And that they would use it in a way that they want to.

So, you know, and I think that in the end, I think the market would decide how we want to use Bitcoin. And if we want to value the use of Bitcoin for transaction, you know, if we want to have Bitcoin as a free money, freedom money, then I think that maybe users would respect and prioritize transactions over, you know, putting JPEG or, you know, so I think the market within the end decide. So I don't think anything that we should worry about, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

I would echo that. You got explorers. I totally agree with that. We should not forget one simple thing, guys. The Cypherpunk code is low, period. Actually, Ordinals is a pretty elegant design. It perfectly respect the Bitcoin Protocol. So code is low.

If it can be done on the Bitcoin Protocol, it should, it must be done. So to be honest with you, personally, I don't think I agree with you, Ben, monkeys and gifts on the Bitcoin blockchain. That's kind of shocking when you approach it for the first time. But that said, this is just the beginning. This is a, the protocol is brand new. Of course, now we are on a hype. Everyone goes there and in, and insurg. describe something that it's totally waste and useless, but still, there are so many useful things.

Someone in the comment before said, I think, perfect tool for whistleblower. Yeah, right on. Absolutely. Perfect tool for whistleblowers, yes. And as Nazomi said as well, we should not forget that we should be libertarian. the market self-regulate. If there is a need, if there is a market for board aids on the Bitcoin blockchain, bro, I don't get it, but I'm not the market.

I'm just one-time fraction of the market. And I think that we need to encourage innovation, you know, and so that let people build on Bitcoin, you know, and then let market decide. And I personally know that developer Casey, He's a Bay Area Bikwinner. And he's a great guy who is a great vision. So I personally support his effort, you know, and let him do whatever he want to do and deliver the product.

And then market would decide. Yeah. Yeah. And there's one more. There's one thing more. We are most of us here in the community, we talk a lot about the security budget issue. What's going to happen to Bitcoin at the end of the reward? So I have always been sure that there's going to be a market for fees

because the space on the block, on the Bitcoin blocks is precious. I like a lot when Linan then call that digital real estate. I agree with that 100%. So the space on the Bitcoin block is scarce. So if we want, we want. want for Bitcoin to be sure, to be safe, to be, we need a market for fees. And this is also how you get a market for fees on the Bitcoin blockchain. And the lightning network rocks. So who says, oh, now the people in Africa are going to pay higher fee to transact on the layer

one, they don't have to transact on the layer one. They have to transact on the Lightning Network because they have to send one dollar. This is how the network is designed, period. Also, I think sometimes Bitcoiners tend to make the mistake of

imagine Bitcoin the way they want Bitcoin to me. And I've learned this lesson from a design. I've studied product design and the first lesson they tell you is that you don't design something that you want, something that you need. If you're a good designer, you design something that the word need.

And like they tell you, you do a project, you think of a chair, you design the chair that you want and you throw it away because you are sure that it's not going to work. This is not what people want. So we need to be able to know and to understand what the people need, what the market needs. So if to me as a bit coiner, like if I don't see the point of having JPEG on the time chain, And we all agree with that, but it's not like, this is not how it works.

There's no design. There's no bicycle scissors. Knife has been invented on what I wanted. It's just not how it works. Yeah. Wouldn't it be ironic too that if, because there's a lot of discussion of when the, when the block reward dwindles to zero, wouldn't it be ironic if JPEGs were the buyer of last resort? It would be ridiculous.

But like, again, as you said, if there's a market that develops and that contributes to the security of Bitcoin as dumb as I think JPEGs on the blockchain are, I mean, sure. If you want to spend your sats to help secure the network, then absolutely. Now, there's a comment in the comment section I want to bring up, but first I want to get Mickey's thoughts here and then I'll bring it up. Yeah, so, I mean, there's a cost associated with ordnals, right? And proof of work was invented, kind to prevent spam in emails. And so I know that block this morning I heard on TFTC that it was the biggest block ever mind, but the transaction fees were not the biggest fees ever mined. And so, you know, I think over time as block space demand goes up, the higher

fees are probably going to drive that stuff away if it's not valuable. And so people are going to have to start paying for it. And so I think it'll eventually kind of solve itself. Yeah. I think that market, again, the economic reality of scarce block space is inevitable. I want to bring in, so Narwhal tacos in the comments, the coiners are naive about how this will be used to turn institutions and corporate leaders against Bitcoin.

And then he goes on to say, you know, this is this is in and around. Okay, so they, you know, individuals or somebody loads up a whole bunch of illegal stuff to the Bitcoin blockchain. And that gives that gives ammo to politicians and government agencies to come down on anybody hosting a, you know, a Bitcoin node and so and so forth. I would say if this, if things like that end up drawing that ire and Bitcoin cannot stand up to it, then we never stood a chance in the first place. And the reason I say that is this started as, again, you know, it would have been illegal for anybody to come out the gate and say, hey, I'm creating a new currency for the first time that's non-government sanctioned. and anybody can use it. And it's censorship resistant and global. There's no KYC.

There's nothing. You just use it. Had Satoshi come out at the gate saying that, it, yeah, he would have gone to, it was illegal. And so what I'm getting at is at any time they could have said that's just illegal. Had they done that and countries have done that, Bitcoin still functions. And so the legality of whether or not. Bitcoin is allowed is irrelevant.

It will continue to run. So then the legality of what's on the Bitcoin blockchain, as much as some things myself and many others may have distaste for, especially certain types of content, the legality of it is irrelevant. It will continue to run. And that's kind of the important part of Bitcoin. If something illegal goes on the Bitcoin blockchain and all of a sudden Bitcoin can be shut down, I'd rather know now, to be honest. So, yeah, I definitely, and Norwell goes on to say they may not specifically go after nodes. They'll go after Sailor, Buckele, Pierre Pahliav, and Canada, every institution and bank, they go, they have the social ammo now to really hit Bitcoin. I mean, perhaps I don't know if it, I don't think it gets that bad that quickly.

And I think the mere fact that you can say this cannot be taken down, the fact that they could clamp down it as hard as they wanted and it would still exist would almost show more weakness than it showed strength. So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is here. But I think regardless, while it can be made in absolute pain for Bitcoiners, it doesn't stop Bitcoin. Yeah, I agree with you 100% Ben. I think Bitcoiners, we are getting soft lately. We think we are on a cruise. This is going to be a bloody battle.

So bring it on. I mean, let's think about it. Everyone here as this state, this taste for pedo-pornographic pictures or moving, did that bring the peer-to-peer torrent network down? No, they're there. So I'm sorry, guys, there is not a third outcome. Either Bitcoin is 100% bulletproof. either is not going to work

as a brand new financial system, as a brand new technology that allows us to do a lot of stuff. So it's going to be a challenge. Yes. And that's the whole point of Bitcoin. Challenging everything, everyone, everywhere.

Also, I think we should focus on what like any innovation could do better than it was before. It's like saying you have the chance to say, 1,000 people from a fire. Do you not save them because there could be some criminals in them? Or you just save them all knowing that there could be some criminals. You know, like we should focus on what we can do better with this technology

rather than what could go wrong, which was going wrong anyway. Yeah, yeah. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, right? Yeah, we can do a lot of things with this technology. Yeah, I totally agree with, you know, yeah, all it said. I mean, at this point, I mean, even now, I think the U.S. State Department can argue that, you know, the blockchain and Bitcoin has, you know, the 2.5 gigabyte of U.S. diplomatic cables. And they could say that these documents are stolen and illegal. So they want to go, you know, trying to shut down Bitcoin.

But, you know, they could maybe go after some Bitcoiners and weaponize laws to do so. But they cannot, at the end of the day, they cannot shut down Bitcoin. It's like a P2P file sharing, you know, that technology exists. Everybody can use it. And the transaction continue to happen. So, yeah, so it's a new paradigm, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

I was going to, Canadian bitcoins are in here. And they said that Ordinal saga shows we need to spend more time when moving forward. Speedy trial should be shelled moving forward. I wonder if Taproot would have been approved if we waited for a while. I think, again, like, it's not that you couldn't put stuff on the Bitcoin blockchain before. There was examples of crap on the Bitcoin blockchain. It definitely made it easier. I do think that this current saga perhaps does factor into how quickly Bitcoin ossifies.

I think that's a good thing, though. I think Bitcoin kind of ossifying and becoming completely predictable is a positive thing. You know, there's some nice things that would be great to like add in. But I also wouldn't be very upset if at this point forward, it was incredibly difficult to to soft fork and get any sort of changes moving forward. Because Bitcoin, you know, it works as is. it the layers above we can continue to make incredible innovation you know i i would like to see a few more things added some of the stuff that was in the roadmap but at the same time i understand and i will understand moving forward if saw forks maybe become almost a thing of the past in the coming

five years or so i i do not know i don't know how how we'll see what how happens over the next, you know, year or so with the whole Ordinals thing. But yeah. So I don't know. I think I'm going to try and unless there's any final thoughts, I'm going to try and wrap this topic so that I can move on to the next. But yeah, we shall see either way Bitcoin's going to do what it's going to do. And it's not a not really a lick that we can do about it. So with that, we're going to do a rotation. Again, shout out to everybody in the chat that is here.

Thank you for being here. Hit that like button. Give this a share wherever you're watching it. And we're going to jump to our next topic. And I'm going to pass it over to Mickey, actually. And I always keep people up with the same easy question. Why are you bullish? Yeah.

So my reason for being bullish is that Bitcoin kind of reignites the American dream in cyberspace and exports it to the world. And to kind of explain that, I wanted to get on here and kind of tell how I even got here because, you know, I have like 100 followers on Twitter. I love it. Yeah. And so hopefully, hopefully my story can help inspire some clubs to kind of try and do the same thing. And I'm sure most of you here have similar stories, right?

And so, you know, before Bitcoin, I just, you know, I kind of realized now that I had this subconscious resignation to live just like an ordinary life, just grind for 40, 50 years, retire when I'm 70, you know, and then try to enjoy the golden years, right? And then I found Bitcoin and it just kind of reinvigorated me, you know, and so like a typical pleb, I'm doing thousands of hours of podcasts every year, you know, just dude, it's funny because I usually listen to you at 3x speed just so I can get it in. Right. And then, you know, Bitcoin magazine. So I subscribe to Bitcoin mag, the physical print, and I hadn't shown up in a while. So I'm scrolling through their website trying to find the customer service email. And I find the article submission link. And so, you know, light bulb goes on. Like, cool. Ideas, send it. You know, within a couple hours, they email me back. They're like, cool, man, where's your draft? And so suddenly I have to actually, like, produce something, right? And so I submitted it, you know, got into, got it accepted, got into the Bitcoin chat with all the contributors.

And it was just immediate welcoming, immediate, you know, support. I remember Kenobi Nakamoto was the first one, literally within seconds of me joining that group. You know, it just out in nowhere. He's like, hey, man, welcome, you know, what are you writing? What's going on? And I just thought it was so cool. So I think it was either my second or third article. actually got roasted by the editor, you know, hard rejection. Like, but I realized that the,

that the, uh, the criticism was, was for the writing. It wasn't for me. And so I just kind of kept going, you know, um, took maybe 10 plus articles for me to even like publicly affiliate with my own writing on LinkedIn. Um, it's just kind of afraid with, what, what friends and family and, you know, coworkers would kind of think about it. Uh, but once I started to, you know, publicly affiliating to like, hey, I wrote this piece. The support then was incredible and you got PLEBs coming out of the woodwork, you know, to connect with you and social media and support you and lift you up, right? And so I really, I just got kind of really brave in the last month. And so in the last month alone, I've gotten two paid writing gigs. One of them is from

Mark Moss. So I write for Mark Moss's YouTube channel now, hired by the editor, that roasted me on my second or third article, right? And so that's fun. Yeah, I got published recently with Citadel 21 with a group of dads. It's basically a long streaming article of dad jokes and one-liners, originally rejected by the Bitcoin magazine print team. And so we kind of re-keyed it and submitted it to Citadel 21. And now we're in there. That sounds like pretty Citadel 21. That sounds like, because that's, that's hotlinot and cat right so yeah yeah that sounds right up their alley yeah and so like i got you know like a minute left right so i'm on btc sessions after having twitter for 72 hours i

responded to you sent it out to the squad squad came out strong right and i just i just wanted to come up here and kind of tell everyone that the proof of work is not just the consensus mechanism it's kind of like a way of life. And so like I'm in the army, right? My views are my own. I have to say that for legal reasons, whatever. But Jordan Peterson, you know, kind of inspired me where it's like if you are unhappy with your job, don't just quit.

Okay, that's high time preference thinking. We got to get low time preference. You can kind of build your own destiny through the Bitcoin decentralized permissionist community and build a better life for yourself. And that's the American. can dream and now it's global and that's why I'm bullish I love that what a great story what a great like encouraging uh and I'll have you know that what did you say you're like I've got like a hundred people following me on Twitter at you're at 164 so you're up 64 uh but no that's that's super

awesome and the fact that um again especially hats off to again one Bitcoin Mag citizen L-21, Mark Moss, it kind of goes to show that that somebody can come out of the woodwork and they don't have to have like a following of 10,000 or 100,000 or a million people to submit content. What they're looking for is quality, right? They're looking for unique ideas or or very well and well put together concise ideas that can be conveyed to a pool of readers. And clearly they've seen that in you and the work that you provided.

And so, you know, it's it's great in Bitcoin because it's it's not a, you know, it's, it's not a totalitarian regime. It's also not a democracy. It tends to be a meritocracy. And so I think a lot of Bitcoiners lean by that and say, well, is what you're saying, does it have merit? Great. I'd love to boost it. And this is kind of what we see time and again, where, you know, somebody will come out of the woodwork.

They'll have some great ideas. They'll boost them. And, you know, they kind of get lifted up by plebs around the space. So it's super encouraging to hear. And like you said, kind of that I had a similar chat with, who was it? Jeez, I think it was when Mallors was on for the, for the Christmas special. There's Mallors and Samson Mao and Joe. Hall and we're all talking about kind of the international kind of, you know, Bitcoin proliferating

through the globe and that topic came up of like, you know, America was founded on us, and I'm Canadian. So like, you know, we stuck with the monarchy. But, uh, but nonetheless, you know, America was founded on this ideal. And, and, you know, some might argue that that ideal and and those values have kind of dissipated in that locale. But they do live on in a global sense of being able to kind of, you know, carve out your own destiny and live your life as you see fit. And, you know,

as long as you're not trampling on what other people are doing, being able to contribute and, and kind of form your own destiny. And I think Bitcoin is kind of just the continuation of some of those ideals. Like you said, playing out on a global scale. And that's beautiful to see. So I'll stop chatting here.

I'm going to let Nazomi or the explorers chime in here, whoever wants to take it. I want to ask you a question. Why you were a writer before? Did you like writing before you found Bitcoin? I learned everything I know about writing from my ninth grade high school English class. So shout out to Mrs. Webb. You had a great class.

Thank you. Amazing. I think, yeah, your story is very beautiful. I mean, I'm a writer too. And, you know, I mean, in the Fiat system, the established media outlet, I mean, they select writers on their own, right? And then there is no place for people to submit their content. And I think that in Bitcoin space, I mean, it's the real kind of meritocracy, you know, the real market that, what each person brings rather than, you know, credentials or, yeah.

So I think it's beautiful that now I think anyone, you know, it's really like permissionless, right? Anyone can just follow what he or he or she want to do and then just to act on it and then just to see how it's going to turn out. And then you are, you know, I mean, experience is the beautiful example of this. You know, it's such a, I think it's very inspiring. So thank you for sharing. I love it. Explor us. Yeah, this is so cool.

And the cool part is that this is just the beginning, Mickey. I'm so happy for you. But the thing is this, Bitcoin is opportunity, right? When I, right, full disclosure. I'm 43. And I discovered Bitcoin in 2017. And I was working full-time as a human rights activist and involved in politics. And I was so frustrated.

That was so frustrated. Because that's the Fiat word. And it does not work, period. No way you're going to make it work. And when I finally found Bitcoin, I realized that it's, such a powerful tool. And now, after seven years, I'm full time on Bitcoin. So Bitcoin is an opportunity. Not for you, Mickey, not for me, not for Ben, not for you, Nazomi, for everyone out there. So you should all get inspired by all the possible stories and think about what Bitcoin

still have to tell and what Bitcoin still has to do. It's going to be awesome. This is just the beginning, guys. It's so early. Bitcoin is a wake-up call to the world. It's like in Italy, 10 years ago, no one spoke English, for example. So if you were able to do your job well, and you spoke English, you had much more opportunity than your friends. This is what I think is happening in Bitcoin now. A lot of people think that orange peeling means making your friends buying Bitcoin or teaching them about the hash rate and proof of work

and their Merkel tree or like top root. I think Orange Feeling to me is teaching my graphic designer friends, web designer friends, communicator, marketing, any kind of job that you can do digitally within internet, just making them accepting Bitcoin or working in the Bitcoin ecosystem because there are a lot of opportunity now there

because it is the future. is the technology of the future, but it's not that you have to know everything about Bitcoin itself. This is something that is like not easy to know. It's not that a graphic designer can know Bitcoin like Adam Beck, no Bitcoin, you know. And this is the main obstacle that a lot of people and young kids have. Meanwhile, you can just be a graphic designer accepting Bitcoin in your website

and starting working from a lot of people. all around the world and getting paid super fast, super easily from whoever. Of course, you need to know that. You need to know why it is the technology of the future. But it's just like it's a high way. It's like a highway for success, I would say, which is not only all about Bitcoin, but if you know about Bitcoin, it's like speaking English in Italy 15 years ago. I know you guys speak English very well, but like...

We don't. We don't. But I tell a lot of people finding a better job just cause the new English or just because they knew another languages, you know, even though they could make their job just like their friends. But the new English show, just learn about Bitcoin and start working with better people. I think that's a fantastic point. Again, like the I also think the incentives align to make people become better at their craft because Bitcoiners are in. inherently load time preference. So they're willing to pay more for better quality products and services. And so you come into the space. Obviously, there's going to be like if you're offering

some sort of a unique service and and currently there's not a lot of people that are offering that service that also accept Bitcoin, Bitcoiners will likely gravitate towards you. However, when people see that, oh, there's a good customer base of Bitcoiners that want to live on Bitcoin and want to, well, there's going to be more people that come into your specific area of expertise and accept Bitcoin. Well, and especially as they discover what Bitcoin is. And so you're going to have to get better and better at your craft. And you're going to have to level up very quickly. And I think you're leveling up is going to be parallel. to your knowledge of how important Bitcoin is.

Because if you start missing out on sats because some other person has come up and they're doing a better job than you, you're going to say, no, no, no, no, I want those sats really bad. So I better improve my craft. I better offer something that other people can't. And I think the way this goes is that, again, it's this, what Mickey has said here, in around kind of this ideal of the American dream. It's not equal outcome, but it's equal opportunity. And anybody who wants to work for it, anybody who wants to actually grind and create something of value will reap the benefits because Bitcoin returns us to a place where we value craftsmanship,

where we value people who have really honed their craft. And I look forward to that world coming to fruition because I'm already seeing it. So yeah. Yeah. And I want to also say that the market is global and you never know who is actually, who is going to value your work. And for instance, you know, I've been, like for a long time I've been writing for free, right? I never expected that I would ever be paid for writing, you know, doing something that I'm so passionate about.

And then one day, somebody gave me one whole Bitcoin for the op-ed I wrote, you know, say, Nozomi, this is beautiful. And then just gave me one big. Bitcoin. And at that time, the Bitcoin was $200, right? But then it gone up to, you know, obviously, I mean, I got it when I was in 2013 and it gone up to like, you know, 60K. So then, wow, you know, I kept that, right? And then, wow, like this Bitcoin, one Bitcoin that somebody that I don't know gave me just turned into 60K. So like what are expensive upward I've written, And obviously I lost that Bitcoin anyway with boarding accidents.

So I don't have one now. So that's a good example, you know, that there are good wills that people want to, you know, share Bitcoin. People want to value, you know, what we create. So it's very exciting, you know. And, you know, we don't have to be poor. Like the artists or writers, you know, in the Fiat system, we don't make shit, you know what I mean? We don't make money. But now Bitcoiners around the world,

whose body won't work going to pay for us, you know? So, yeah. It's, I mean, I feel you, Nazomi. I've had so many boating accidents. It's so unfortunate. I don't know what it is, but yeah. Also, what are you partaking in your beverage this evening? Because I think we're both having something.

What are you sipping on? Cup of coffee, of course. Oh, okay. So I'm the only partaking. We do coming out, it's midnight. Here. We come from a party. We're basically drunk.

I've drunk. So this is water, I swear. Well, cheers. Cheers. Cheers to all here. Cheers, guys. Guys, so fantastic topic. I'm going to do a rotation here, but I have to do a shout out to somebody in the audience here.

He's a longtime fan. He's been absent for a while. He used to come every single episode. He was the biggest fan. He was always in the comments section. He's always throwing in his hot takes on everything. His name is David. And he's here every week or he was here every week.

He's just returned. He hates Bitcoin. But. he continues to watch the show. At least he maybe he took a hiatus, but he's back. And David wants everybody to know that Bitcoin is game over. It's not going anywhere. It won't save you.

He also said that Bitcoin is only a $450 billion market cap now and that there is no hope. David, I love you, man. You're the star of the comment section. Never change. Continue to come back. David is the mascot for BTC sessions. I feel like every Bitcoin. show needs a David. And, and yeah, I, you know, you're my spirit animal, David, never change.

Keep coming back. Star of the show. Thanks for being here. With that. And I'm not getting, he's actually like, would show up every show for like a full calendar year. And just in the comments, guys, this is going to zero. Guys, it's worthless. It's never going to, it's down. It's down. Guys, it's down. So anyways, welcome back. I'm sure David is not Peter Schiff. There's been speculation before. It's very possible. Not sure.

Perhaps. I mean, you know, we're assuming his gender here too. Perhaps maybe it's Janet Yellen. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe he'll do a grand reveal someday. But David, thanks for having, thanks for coming back. I really enjoy having you here.

but we're going to do a rotation. We're going to jump to Ricky and Laura, the Bitcoin Explores, and I'm going to just tee you off with a simple question. Why are you bullish? Why are we bullish? Okay, we are bullish because Bitcoin works and it's happening, right? We just came back from a long expedition in Central America. We've been through El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala.

And we have seen, with our own eyes, local communities, grassroots communities, using Bitcoin to perfect their life in so many different shapes. And this is probably the thing I'm more bullish. Bitcoin is so complex, right? It's not black or white. so many shades and when you see it playing is game in completely different social environments and economic environments right for example Guatemala is so much different than Venezuela for sure than Costa Rica they have different problems

they have a different social community they have different goals in their life. Some of them they can save. Some of them they cannot. Who can save money usually is in a better economy so they do have access to credit cards. But Bitcoin for them is an opportunity to boost their commerce. Who lives in a more poor and less developed country does not have maybe yet money to save in Bitcoin, but they have zero access to the financial. They have zero access to the financial world, to a bank account, or to digital payments. And Bitcoin solved that problem too. So what makes me bullish is to see all these grassroots community.

And then guys are doing the Bitcoin Island in the Philippines. And there is the Bitcoin sea in Turkey. And there is another Bitcoin jungle in Brazil. Even richer places like Lugano in Switzerland is trying to make a local economy in Bitcoin over there because it responds to any kind of need. So I think when you go on the street and as a bitconer, you have to go on the streets. Like it doesn't matter if you're your streets or other local communities, you really need to start talking with people, trying to build them, trying to talk with the people that are using Bitcoin. because it gives you a completely other perspective than Bitcoin Twitter. Like when you actually talk with people that are using Bitcoin,

it just really changes everything. It's just no-brainer. You go there, you see that, you go back to sleep. Yeah. Very tight because it's just happening. I mean, really, Bitcoin is one size fits all. And this is the most exciting thing I could witness with my own eyes. And there is another thing I'm bull.

of I, we all love El Salvador. It's great what they're doing there. It's beautiful experiments, but there are issues in El Salvador as well. And I think, to be honest with you, I think this is good, because this proves that bottom-up adoptions are better than top-down adoption.

And this is great, because we need no laws. The code is law already and Bitcoin is code. There are much more bitcoins than governments in the world and legal tenders in the world. So if it is true that

bottom up approach works better, which it is, because we prove that in four months. That means that there's a big opportunity for any kind of Bitcoin circular economy to be born anywhere. Everyone can do what the guys at the Bitcoin jungle are doing, what the guys at the Bitcoin Lake are doing.

Everyone can. All you need is your smartphone and a local community to start from. This is so excited. And you don't even need to start from 1,000 merchants. You start from your favorite restaurant, then you talk with the coffee place where you go. You have ears to do that. You know, the guys at the Bitcoin jungle have been working for. a year one year guys only one year they are underpill the 30 merchants 40 merchants it's not like

2000 but if you go there and you actually can't live in bitcoin only that just make you realize that it's possible to do it anywhere it doesn't matter where you live just try to do that tomorrow i love this so much um i i think there's such value in focusing local and ground up um I think early on, and I'm talking like 2014, 2015, there was this mentality of like, let's, let's basically try to force, not force, but like coerce large companies into accepting Bitcoin. And they did it as like, oh, everybody's going to come here because you have Bitcoin. And so they did it as like a marketing schick, right? they'd be like, oh, we accept Bitcoin. And then they're thinking like a bunch of people are going to buy Bitcoin and then come to us and then spend Bitcoin.

And it was it was totally ass backwards. It was it was not connecting Bitcoiners with Bitcoiners. It was connecting Fiat shitcoiners with Bitcoin. And so what were they doing? It was like, we're going to accept Bitcoin. And in their head, they're like, oh, we're going to get a bunch of Bitcoin, which we can then dump for dollars. And then, lo and behold, there weren't that many Bitcoiners that wanted to, like, use those goods and services, especially at the time, it was very early. And then inevitably, you get these large companies dropping support for Bitcoin payments.

I think the idea of establishing local communities and building relationships with individuals in your town, in your city, whatever it may be, and exchanging with local merchants or goods, you know, goods and services, whatever it may be, is so integral to making this work, right? We see the top-down approach. And, okay, so I'm going to, you guys, I haven't been to El Salvador, so I am unfamiliar with what it's like. obviously I definitely understand that the ground up grassroots hey this is going to make life easier for you do you want to try this out that approach the people that dive into that and understand it

voluntarily and jump in is going to have more of a foothold and when it's done forcefully from the top there's going to be much more opposition obviously because there's not a choice in that approach. I have to believe that the the kind of like global eye on something like that will have an effect in terms of curiosity. But it's going to take it's going to take longer. It's kind of like a high time preference thing where it's like, oh, another country

accepted it. But then the consequence of that is like Bitcoin went down and then like all those. you know, headlines of like El Salvador is going to go bankrupt and so and so forth for, you know, the ensuing bear market. But yeah, that ground up grassroots connect with your locals mentality. It's just the way to go. Like I'm I'm so on this kind of wavelength right now. And I've I've started to there's a local, I live in Calgary in Canada. and I've started to go to the meetups regularly in every single meetup.

I don't run the meetups. So I'm like, hey, can I please get up for five minutes and at the beginning of every meetup now? I'm going, hey, to see you know, like I'm trying to connect local businesses, services, whatever with each other that are willing to sell Bitcoin. But also I want to hear from people that are looking for specific things that they like to be able to pay in Bitcoin for. And so this then extrapolates out of, you know, you get, say you get 50 people in a room for a meetup and somebody comes up and says, hey, I'm looking for eggs. I just want eggs and poultry. And maybe there's nobody in the room.

I asked last time there was somebody in the room and I found eggs for Bitcoin. But besides the point, it gets everybody in the room thinking, hey, I'm going to frown. actually, that's a poultry farmer. Maybe I can start to, you know, throw to them, hey, like there's somebody who's looking locally rather than like going through the typical, you know, hoops that you have to jump through, much like the beef initiative is saying that the whole food industry is broken, connect with your local farmers and actually buy direct from them. Again, it cuts out all the red tape.

It cuts out like all the BS. and you're connected directly with an individual and you're sourcing your food or whatever else it may be from them and you're paying them in a money that has value, that both of you value, that you're not trying to dump, that you don't get paid in and think, oh,

whatever's left over after my bills, has to be in something else because it's just going to decay. It's wonderful. I'm getting this. And whatever I don't have to, you know, spend on my expenses, I'm going to save and it will not only retain my value, but likely as long as I have low enough time preference, will the purchasing power of this will continue to grow. And that type of relationship, as we're talking about with Mickey's

topic, it breeds this kind of mentality of not only do I want to do more of this. this, but I want to improve on what I'm doing so I attract more people to do it. I met up or I, I'm the kind of end and I'm going to toss it in the zone because I want to hear her thoughts and Mickey's. I, I watch what's happening with the beef initiative with Texas Slim. Anybody unfamiliar, basically Texas Slim is trying to get, you know, cattle ranchers to connect with their local communities and go direct peer to peer transaction. people buying beef and obviously Bitcoin is a no-brainer there in terms of peer-to-peer

transactions. And so he's kind of marrying bitcoins and beef. You know, the whole like Bitcoin or a carnivore thing also lines up with that. I'm not a carnivore, but I do enjoy my stakes. So I saw what they were doing and I was like, oh, I wonder if they have anybody in Canada, especially in Alberta where I am. And Alberta is like pretty famous for its beef. And I looked, And there's nobody on the website. I'm, oh, crap. I tweet out and I'm like,

is there, are there any Alberta cattle ranchers? Does anybody know any cattle ranchers that would be keen on selling beef for Bitcoin? I shit you not. Three minutes later, I had a reply on Twitter. Say, hey, I'm in Alberta. What do you like to buy my beef? And then like a couple of weeks later,

dude drives three hours to my city with a bunk full of beef. which me and my friend split on my friend who also got into Bitcoin through me. We paid him in Bitcoin and we split a quarter of a cow. And it's delicious. I bought a freezer for it. I stocked it full of beef. I got it in October. We're not even close to finishing.

And it's incredible. And since then the dude was like, hey, you know, I think I've got some extra cuts and everything. Can you just maybe put the word out? on Twitter, I tweeted out thinking like, I don't know, how many other Albertan bitcoins looking for...

I was inundated with messages saying, where's the beef guy? Tell me where the beef guy. If you are a bitcoiner and you do anything other than sit on your ass, offer something, tell people and tell people that you want to accept Bitcoin for it. because people will come out of the fucking woodwork and they will pay you in sats to get your quality, whatever it is you offer. So there's the end of my rant. I'm sorry, I went on.

I'm excited about it. I love you guys for bringing this up. But maybe I'll go to Mickey first if you have thoughts and then we'll go to Zomi. Yeah. So I think a lot of that story is kind of like how Bitcoin empowers individual and in small communities to kind of lift them up, right? And so on the other side of that coin, but a similar theme is how Bitcoin lifts up societies, right? And so I see a lot of this playing out with Brandon Quiddham's pioneer species thesis.

And so your story was like business and all that. And I'm kind of thinking towards the integration of Bitcoin mining and energy production, especially in Africa, super bullish on Africa. And then we just had, I think it was the first small modular reactor in Canada, right? And so that's kind of the new hotness in the energy space right now. And so I see kind of this integration between Bitcoin mining and energy, lifting up societies in places like Africa and then potentially even, you know, reinvigorating like the American Midwest. You know, people call it the Rust Belt because they used to have so much manufacturing.

I mean, if we can bring cheap and abundant energy to the world, I mean, that's a huge opportunity for everyone in society, right? And that's what I'm really kind of excited about in addition to obviously the individuals and the businesses. Absolutely. You had some thoughts. Well, I mean, I think that it's time who has to build our own community, you know? And I think that, I mean, Bitcoiners are, I mean, I'm going to talk about this. this for my section, why I'm bullish, but I personally think that Bitcoiners are, you know, very important. You know, bitcoiners are critical, you know, second layer of Bitcoin, in my opinion.

And we, I mean, it's wonderful to see how people are actually connecting to one another and then, you know, face to face, heart to heart and interact with each other. And I mean, that's very essential. And, you know, I mean, you guys probably know what's happening, but, you know, the World Economic Forum, they just had an annual meeting in mid-January, right, in Switzerland, the Devos. And that they basically talked about, you know, their way of engineering economy and using Metaverse and, you know, basically we would just own nothing and be happy, right? That's their agenda. And they want us to be. dependent on their system.

And I think that it's essential that we start to rely on ourselves. And, yeah, start producing goods. And then, I mean, what Ben talks about, this beef example is a good one, you know, that we, you know, we all have, all of us have things to share. And that it's just we can connect on social media, but it's time for us to connect face to face and start sharing our values. And by the way, I make 100% organic non-sugar chocolate, Bitcoin chocolate.

So if you want to, you know, buy me some with sat, you know, just let me know. Where can that, wait, we don't pass that by. Where can people find that? Meetup, Bitcoin meetup. If you live in the Bay Area, I, you know, I bring chocolate. at the meetup so you can just buy some. All right.

Head up that Bay Area Bitcoin Meetup. I love it. That's awesome. The candy girl. Yeah. Don't trust. Just bear and fine by eating this, you know. I can't stand to taste. You have to just eat it.

I just want to add one thing about this topic. We spent so much time fighting and arguing with shit corners on Twitter, on social networks, even in our own bubble. but when you go on the street, you just see that there's just like no shit going on there's only Bitcoin. Like there's no, it's a bubble. It's a super loud bubble on Twitter. But when you go on the street,

no one is buying Solana on the street. Like no one is selling JPEG on the street for cash. It's not happening. You have a completely different perspective when you just talk with people in the world. Even if you explain them how to buy and sell Bitcoin, how to accept Bitcoin, you realize it's just,

a no-brainer like it's not going to happen with any other shit token altcoins whatever we want to call them so to me to me that was like a relief not not that i didn't know that before but it's just like a meditation therapy for bitcoins to just yeah leave twitter and go on the street it just makes you rely it's a waste of time to argue about that on Twitter and I say it to myself because I still keep she gets she gets I get trolled a lot. All the time. I'm too old for this.

To me, it's a therapy to go like emerging markets to see that it's just, it's a bubble. It's a marketing bubble. It's not happening like guy, not even worry about it. Yeah. You know, I want to ask you what you think about President Buckeli because, you know, for me, he seems to be a real bitcoiner. You know, he's a genuinely orange peeled bitcoiner. and that he's actually creating good changes. But what's your perspective on that?

So that was fun. See you guys later. Not okay. Our perspective, personally, my perspective is that he is a politician. And if you are a politician, you cannot be a real bit coiner, period. So I think President Buckele is a very clever guy. I spent, we spent four months in the past year in El Salvador. He's doing good for his people.

El Salvador is a safer country. I disagree with who calls Bukele a dictator. He has a wide support in the country. So I'm not anti-Bukele at all. That said, I think he has his own agenda. I think he's not a bit coiner because otherwise if Buckele was a bitconer, Chivo wallet would have a non-custodial option in it. There wouldn't be a Chivo wallet.

There is not. Yeah, exactly. They would be using... If Buckele was a bitconer, Chivo wouldn't be a spyware, and it is a spyware. And so to be honest with you, I disagree with bitcoins that do campaign for Buckele. I think we should not be involved in politics. are all. I think it's a mistake to trust politicians all over the world, wherever they are blue, red,

they are all liar and selfish people, and that's what they do. That's why they're there. That's how they've been elected, period. I think we make the mistake by thinking that we need more president like Buckele when it's just there are more president like Buckele than it's Bitcoin. Like, it's all the opposite. There are more president, maybe managing a small country that need a reason to, like, improve their people in their unbank situation.

So that's why they need Bitcoin. But we, as Bitcoin, we shouldn't see in Bucharest our final goal because it's not. It's politicians that need Bitcoin, not Bitcoin that needs politicians. So to me it's like seeing a president using internet. Of course he's using internet because it's technology and as a technology is neutral and people. So to me it's just like, of course he's using Bitcoin because he's smart. He's a smart guy that knows where the technology is going.

But as Ben said, your friend and your enemy are both using the same technology to reach their goal. And we should be fine with that. And to me, it's great that he's using Bitcoin because it's, I mean, what are we talking about is the technology of the future? But it doesn't make me think that that's the way to go. Because at the end of the days, I think politicizing Bitcoin is more dangerous than ordinals. Yeah. I. Spicy take.

Yeah, no, I would tend to agree. Also, Laura, I just wanted you to know that you said you go out, you see Bitcoin in the street. David Wong says, I don't see Bitcoin in the street. Thank you, David. I live in Dubai, probably. Thank you, David. I value your opinion. Thank you for chiming in.

Always excellent sound bits from David. I appreciate it. With that, I'm going to segue. We're going to do a rotation. And first I'll say thank you, everybody in the chat. Keep them coming. I'll pull up things when I can. Before we jumped into Zomi, I'm just going to say, again,

Nunia business was excited to hear that you were Bay Area. So Bay Area, represent. And then there were, oh, yeah, Troy, Troy, Troy, by the way. He is writing a book called The Progressives Case for Bitcoin. I just did a panel with him in Toronto. We went to Queens University and we chatted there with a whole bunch of people, including a member of parliament in Canada, all about Bitcoin.

Super interesting. Awesome guy. Funny, like, I find myself on the, I would have been very politically aligned with Troy if you stepped back like six years, seven years, and now I find myself on the opposite side of the political spectrum, but not entirely because he assures me that the Canadian conservatives are basically the American Democrats. So nonetheless, Troy is awesome.

And he was saying, you don't ship your chocolate, Nozomi? You don't? Not yet? Not yet. I mean, if I find out the logistics, maybe I will. Oh, yeah. Cost and, yeah. Oh, wait, Troy, oh, God, I'm mixed up.

I'm thinking, uh, Jason. We would pay like five bucks for the chocolate and 45 for. I'm, I mixed them Troy and Jason. Jason Mayor is the, is the, but Troy is on the same end of the political spectrum. That's why I mix them up. Anyways, Troy is. also awesome and I hung out with him. We did a recording of what Bitcoin did in L.A. for... Do you guys know Roger 9,000? He's a musician in London. Do you know him?

Roger 9,000? He's a musician. He also makes chocolate. I mean, he taught me how to make them. So if you live in Europe, maybe he can ship them, you know. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll get, we'll make it happen. Troy, I apologize to you. Oddly enough, you and Jason, because you're effectively the same person, is this terrible to say, they're effectively the same person in my brain right now because we are not necessarily, well, they're both American and both left leaning, and I'm Canadian and right leaning, which apparently is very much the same thing. And they both kind of look a little similar.

they're anyways nonetheless yeah he agrees I think he's bad he's in the comments and we look alike you do but I do know I do distinguish I don't know why but like again they just like melded into my brain as the same person and I'm an idiot and I feel so stupid because I spent so much time we went to like dinner in L.A. with Troy and I was at a cafe I am super embarrassed right now because I'm such a moron. Nonetheless, Troy, thanks for being here.

Jason will see this later and I will be equally embarrassed when he DMs me about it. Nonetheless, I'm going to move on. Nazomi, I've been ranting for too long. I'm going to pass it to you. I'm going to tee you up with a simple question. Yeah. Why are you bullish? I mean, I'm always bullish on Bitcoiners, but this week I am so excited about them.

And I mean, we are going to launch a new Bitcoin meetup here in Berkeley. And before that, I got a shout out to the Bay Area Bikwinners. So if you are watching this, you know, I appreciate your presence. And Thomas Mills of a bit refill. Thank you for sponsoring our event. So we now have over eight meetup groups in the Bay Area. And it's just simply, it's just growing. And then we are going to add one more.

Bitcoin meetup tomorrow, actually, in Berkeley. And this one is very unique. Not because I am hosting it, but also it's going to be at the cafe. So usually Bitcoin meetups happen at the bar, right? So one of my Bitcoin friends, Antonio, you know, he wanted to quit drinking. And he told me that any time he go to, you know, Bitcoin meetups, then he's just pressure to just drink. And I cannot quit drinking.

So then I say, okay, maybe there is a good idea. Let's have a meetup at the cafe over coffee and tea and chocolate. So that's how, you know, this idea came about. And then we are going to do it tomorrow. So this is very exciting. And I think that, yeah, I think it's good that we have this meetups. And the big owners come together and we share excitement and then we learn to co-bopperate together and build a better system, you know, better than what the double.

is, you know, that these folks going to do, you know. So that's one thing that I'm very, very, very excited about. And then also I learned this Wednesday that Bitcoin Miami, 2003, right? They just announced that this exciting initiative called the Bitcoin game. I don't know if you guys have heard of it. And so I'm going to just read the description on their about page. Okay.

So it says, the Bitcoin Games is a community initiative from Bitcoin magazine, which highlights the grassroots movement taking place in cities around the world. Our growing network of Bitcoin-only meetups will compete for a chance to win the full Bitcoin for their meetup to further invest in their community development ambitions, to further accelerate hyper-Bitconization. Our goal is to encourage and invest in local Bitcoin meetups through resources, education, and promotion of their effort. So here are the rule of the games.

Each meetup team must have a minimum of four people and up to a maximum of 12 people on their team's roster. Participant must be local members of their respective meetup, and the meetup must be a registered member of the Bitcoin Magazine Meetup Network. Each competitor will need to have at least a GA ticket, general ticket for the for the, conference and then bulk discounts available for teams who have not yet purchased a ticket.

The game will take place on site at Bitcoin 223 within the main Expo Hall running the day one, and then championship game would take place day two. So that the contest included things like pizza eating, chess speed signer. I mean, how exciting is this? I'm so jazzed about this. I mean, this is something that we need it. I mean, we need to have a way to celebrate. us coming together and play games together, you know?

So, I mean, I cannot, you know, participate in a pizza eating, but I can do something else, maybe play chest or something. But this is a really brilliant idea, in my opinion. So, yeah, so this is something I'm very, very excited about. I love that. I was privy of the Bitcoin games. And again, like the encouragement of the local meetups. Yes.

This kind of plays perfectly into the previous topic is that kind of local ground-up grassroots build of Bitcoiners, right? Like you have all these people that, you know, especially if I mean, we've all experienced it at one point or another. The I'm in Bitcoin and I know no one. And then you meet your first in-person Bitcoinser and you're ecstatic because for the first time you get to talk about Bitcoin to somebody that wants to hear it. Exactly. And it's invigorating.

And you go to these meetups and the passion and everybody like while obviously we're never all going to have the exact same ideals. by and large, the trajectory is the same. The general beliefs are the same. The general kind of endpoint is the same. And so the encouragement, you know, again, hats off to Bitcoin magazine for doing that for encouraging this local meetups. Because I've seen it where they, you know, they'll send, you know, like a whole bunch of magazines to give away at the meetups.

They'll do a whole bunch. They'll send a bunch of swag. They'll do whatever. But I think this is kind of like a cool, unique way of saying like of recognizing the various meetups from around the city and making people around the city around the country around the world and making people aware that there even is a community there and that if there's not you should start one yeah i think it's it's powerful i don't know if if anybody wants to jump in i i don't want to take up too much time but you guys yeah

yeah can i hit this real quick yeah yeah you go ahead i want to I've been the pizza eating team. Thank you, you go. And then we'll jump to the explorers for some thoughts, too. Yeah. So I finally turned down the comments. Yeah, yellow. So behind my head is a flag.

Discipline equals freedom. It's Jock-Willing. So, yeah, you spot that right. I'm in my garage because I have three kids and no privacy. And so this is my podcast studio. So this really excited me is like the community aspect, right? And so I think two weeks ago, I was in a trip, had a layover in Nashville. And so I went over to Nashville's Bitcoin Park, right?

And so I'm hanging out with one of the Bitcoin magazine editors and, you know, all these people just start walking at. And so there was like this VP of NIDIG, this open source coder, and then this big name podcast host that I'm not going to docks on here. But we all just hung out, and it was like everyone was just as excited as everyone else to talk about Bitcoin. and we ended up hanging out for like an hour and then we walked down the street i'll get tacos together so it's just it's just the community aspect of bitcoin and and like the social network that we've built together and i'm not talking about twitter i'm talking about like the actual social network and it's like even if bitcoin fails it makes me so bullish because of all these relationships we have together we're going to figure it out regardless yeah i i totally agree and

I, what you've just said, again, even if Bitcoin fails, there's a, and this plays into your topic as well, there's, there's a set of ideals that have been established. And with the failure of Bitcoin, all of these people have still made connections. All of these people have still realized like, hey, we have common values. How do we figure this thing out? So as resilient as I think Bitcoin is, and as much as I believe, it's going to succeed and it's going to outlast any state that tries to stop it, the thing that will truly outlast anything is the individuals that have made connections with like-minded values. And that cannot be stamped out. It will proliferate.

It will continue. It will grow. And even if you're able to stamp out pockets of it around the globe, it will survive. It will continue. I think that's a beautiful thing. Also, I feel like as you continue to do shows, you shouldn't change your background. You need to keep it the same because that background, the discipline, what does it say? It's Jaco Willink.

Discipline equals freedom. So he's like an Navy SEAL guy. He's been on Rogan a bunch of times. He's got his own podcast now too. That's great. I love that. Yeah, don't change that background.

You got weights. You got workout equipment. You've got a slogan. Yeah. Don't change that. We'll work on upgrading the microphone and the camera. It doesn't matter. We'll get you getting lighting.

We'll figure it out. I wouldn't change a thing about your background. I'm glad that Yellow pointed that out. Yeah, anyways, I'm going to open it up to everybody else. Comments, questions. I want to add that building a community is not only fun, is not only amazing, is necessary. Yes. If we are sticking salts and we want to be able to spare ourselves before dying,

if you want to see this revolution happening, we need Bitcoin happening fast. It is inevitable, but sometimes I think that Bitcoiners get too comfortable with the idea that Bitcoin is inevitable and it just takes us, do nothing all day long, waiting for other people to do the job. Meanwhile, we are like early adopter. We need to do the job. We need to orange pill more people. We need to build and incentivize companies to build better products, better services on Bitcoin. I mean, we are using Internet. because smartphone has been invented social networks have been invented we're just we're not just

using internet and this is something that i think is very very very important so we need to be more active in the community spend our bitcoin replacing them all the time and stop and stop supporting the fiat system we need to buy bitcoin spend bitcoin replace them and like do we do with that as much as we can with local communities, building local communities because it's fun, but it's also necessary if we want to see this revolution. Because I'm not saying it's not happening, but it could take much longer than what we expect. So stop being lazy and I'm talking with all the bit who are there and build a revolution, not just watch it. Yeah. Partake.

Can you replace yourself. Yeah, exactly. Buy Nazomi's cookies. That's what needs to happen here. No, absolutely. You know, we need to continue down this path. We need to build those connections. We need to reach out to the local, you know, local bitcoins. If you don't do that, you're not truly partaking.

There's so many avenues that you can partake in Bitcoin. But I think focusing on the digital is a mistake. The fact that Bitcoin itself is digital lends itself to, oh, I'm just going to, I'm just going to partake in Bitcoin in a digital sense. But the digital aspect of Bitcoin enables the physical peer-to-peer relationship-building aspect of Bitcoin. And that's kind of the core of what we're getting back to. It's that which was clamped down upon and which has limited freedoms for people that is being reclaimed through the digital realm. And we get this weird kind of marriage of the digital and the physical. And we're again, we're using the digital realm to ensure our physical freedom.

Yes. So I don't know if I'm too disjointed there. you know, it's a weird juxtaposition of like, hey, everything's online. And then all of a sudden you see the shift of Bitcoiners saying, what about meeting people? What about actually forging relationships with people I can see in person? And when I see that coming from something that was created in cyberspace, it makes me think that that thing

is not a fad. It has spurred on qualities and habits in humanity that we haven't seen for a while. And I think that's important. Yeah. Anyways, sorry, I got, I got a little out there. But anyways, I'm going to start to round things out here. And the way I typically like to do that

is I like to go around the sort of one last time and allow anybody to just give out any final thoughts that they may have had on any of the topics discussed here, as well as I like to give a little challenge of something to go out and look into deeper. So I want to challenge you guys to give out a recommendation. And that recommendation can literally be anything. It could be a book, an article, a podcast, a video, an application, a device, a life lesson that you've learned partaking in the Bitcoin community, whatever it may be, something of value that you think that people watching here could bear some fruit from.

And so I guess I'll start us off here in terms of my final thoughts, give you guys a moment of thing because I kind of sprung that on you. Everything that we've kind of discussed here is in and around community, even though, like, my topic was a little disjointed from that. But like when you get down to it, it's it's the values of the community. And even the economic reality of do we want JPEGs on the Bitcoin blockchain, it's kind of a consensus thing. Right. And if you don't have consensus, then we get the. the status quo and we get whatever people use with their economic value that that's kind of the

reality and you know we talked about the proliferation of kind of the american dream and and the ideals that were kind of baked into that proliferating around the globe in a different digital sense we get visiting these pockets of ground up bitcoins as opposed to this top down imposition of it as as a more realistic and forward-thinking way of moving Bitcoin around. And again, these local meetups, all of these things building together with a sense of community and trying to figure out what each other's values are. And I think that's kind of what Bitcoin enables.

It enables us to get down to the truth of what do individuals value and how much of us value anyone thing because that's kind of what money is. It's a way to allocate the fruits of your labor to what one values. And when you can distort that, when you can print it, when you can diminish the influence of somebody who worked hard day and night for 40 years and allocated their value somewhere and you print that away in an afternoon with the snap of your fingers, that doesn't reflect the values of the society. and thus not only degrades the measuring stick of our values, but degrades the values themselves, right? If your values aren't being reflected, your values are going to diminish

and you're not going to hold those values as strongly as you used to because there's useless. The actions that you're taking are useless. And so we're getting back to a society that accurately represents our values. And we see that through these ground up efforts to capture our ideals. And so that's kind of my takeaway here. I don't know if I have like a punchline or like a specific point on that.

But that's kind of what I'm observing from this panel. In terms of in terms of suggestions and recommendations, my recommendation for today, and I've recommended this before, but I'm going to do it again because I don't care. Go check out Noster. Nostra is interesting. And it was built by Bitcoiners because we kind of have these shared values of censorship resistance. We have these ideals of we don't want to be told what we can and cannot say. And every migration away from Twitter and other centralized social media platforms has basically been a different flavor of the same. It's just who's in control.

Who has the on-off switch? And Nostra is inherently different. I won't delve into why. If you want to learn about it, I did do a full tutorial on kind of the basics of how to get started, which I'm sure will be obsolete in already, probably in seconds, if it's not already. But nonetheless, I'm going to say,

go check out Noster, play with it, learn. Because I feel like because it was built with the ideals of Bitcoiners, because they didn't need to print a shit token to make it possible, I think it might have legs. And I hope it has legs. And I think it might be a way of integrating a global communication layer and easily cross-referencing Bitcoin as a payment layer within. And I feel bad because Mickey just dropped.

Hopefully he comes back before final thoughts. But I'm going to jump to Nazomi. You're next on my screen. I'm sorry if I sprung that on you. But do you have any final? Yeah. I think that, you know, Bitcoin, I mean, is a digital, you know, decentralized this currency. But at the end of the day, I mean, I think it's a tool, right?

It's a tool that help human beings as to create a better future, you know, to obtain freedom or to connect to one another, you know. And I think that I think it's time for us to get out of the digital space and then connect and really experience reality, you know, experience nature, experience reality in that kind of tangible way. And I think that, you know, we are so used to, for instance, we are so used to reading articles online, you know, we are so used to sharing ideas, you know, on Twitter or expressing our love, you know, through emoji, you know. But it's time for us to come together and they hug one another, you know, and touch.

And then, you know, of course, eat chocolate, you know. So I think in that light, you know, I suggest that I recommend everyone to buy printed version of Bitcoin magazine. This broke issue just came out. And, you know, actually, I mean, it's so different to read articles in the real hard copy of magazine instead of like scrolling. you know online so and I happen to just contribute my article for this edition so I highly recommend you want to get that copy and subscribe and start

experiencing the real real thing that get oh wow you got it too yeah start experiencing real things that give us value you know because the alternative is that we are you know being placed into this virtual reality on metaverse where we are so disconnected from our body right we will be living in this like uploaded crowd or something and we don't even know what it means to be human so i think it's important for us to stay connected with our heart and the body and be strong and and uh yeah experience yeah experience in love you know in that way so yeah i love i i think that's fantastic again i i thoroughly enjoy bitcoin magazine

and the writers that they bring in. I do have that issue should be on the way. I've got the first floor sitting here. I've got, actually, I've got an old one. I want to, I want to hold up because, hold on. I've got an old issue here. One of the originals. I can't, I think this is, this is issue.

I think it's like issue eight, something like that. Anyways, like the original old school ones. I can't even remember where I got it, to be honest. But to your point, you're right. Like, it's, it, it, um, when you go and you support these types of things monetarily, it allows them to continue. And so if you find value in these types of articles, these, this type of content, and go and support it.

And it's no different from things like, uh, you know, streaming sats for a podcast or whatever it may be. You're, your peer to peer value. You're, you're creating relationships with these individuals. and you're supporting what they're doing. And I look forward to seeing more of that. And by the way, Mickey, there are people that there were speculation as to why you dropped off.

People said that people were saying that you were just doing some pull-ups. So I imagine, you know, you don't have to comment on this, but I imagine that you just, you dropped out just to do like a quick set of like 50 pull-ups in a row, right? Yeah, definitely. that's what happened. I'm going to jump to you next, by the way. So if you have any final thoughts, recommendations, take it away, man. Yeah.

So during the conversation, my mind went to Atlas Shrugged. So I took some notes here that I wanted to kind of say. And so something I've seen recently is that the mainstream narrative is getting pretty absurd, you know, with eggs getting strokes and cow farts, you know, killing everyone. the list goes on right and so i i see this dichotomy between bitcoinsers creating their own parallel system and then kind of retreating into our own and so i what would i say is like is the atlas shrugged idea of of galtz gulch right i don't want to see bitcoins just withdraw from the world and create their own gults gulch and just kind of watch the world burn right and so as people start

waking up, you know, remain open and encouraging and just be prepared to kind of help people grasp Bitcoin. And so two challenges that I kind of thought up is, is number one, read Atlas Rugged because it's gigantic, but it's awesome. And then also with the community aspect is supporting your fellow bitcoins, right? And that's kind of something we had. So I wanted to, I wanted to show this up. It's my buddy Will. He also reports, he also writes for Bitcoin Magazine. and he made this really cool hardcovered book. And so if you're tired of macroeconomics and philosophy, you know,

you get Bitcoin Girl Saves the World. It's a nice hardcover book on Amazon. And you can go help support a Bitcoiner today on Amazon. I am freaking out. Yeah. I am buying that the second this ends because I've got a daughter. And she like literally, I'm talking the past few days.

She figured out how to, she's five she figured out how to use her lightning wallet on her iPad so that she could create a store at home and then she basically lines up her toys and creates a shop and writes prices on them and then she goes and types in the price and sats and has me scan and send her real lightning transactions at her store and my wife was like what is what is happening here i'm like i just sent my daughter a lightning transaction in exchange for this stuffy. So I'm going to buy that and I'm going to read it to her. So thank you for that.

That is an excellent, actionable recommendation that I'm going to go do right now. And I appreciate that. So thanks, man. Yeah, awesome. I can't wait till he hears this. Awesome. Well, I'm glad. I'm glad.

And we'll do one more rotation. We're going to jump down to Ricky and Laura Bitcoin Explorers. Final thoughts, recommendations. Go ahead. You go first. I just want to say to everyone to stop thinking as a bitconer and start thinking as a human being and try to think how Bitcoin can just improve your life. There's not such a thing as the carnivore Bitcoiner.

There's not the God believer, Bitcoin. There's not the traditional family viral man Bitcoin. There are some bitconers that are carnivore or like whatever. There's not the Bitcoiner identicate. Bitcoin is a technology like the electricity, like the cars, like the internet, like computers. And you use them. You don't want to be a bit coiner. You just want to be a human being that uses Bitcoin to improve your life.

I think this will enhance every human being as a human being. And it's going to make much an easier life to everyone. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Ricky, you go ahead too. Yeah, I like what she said. I'm going to pick up the ball you dropped, Ben. I wish my tip, my suggestion, I would love Bitcoins to forget everything they know. about Bitcoin

and start learning again from scratch. Why that? I think we should try, for example, here as well in your comments, I hear people saying Bitcoin is sound money, Bitcoin is go digital gold.

Bitcoin is okay, yes, but Bitcoin potentially could be so much more. Don't be conservative. We have seen what the Noster guy are doing that is awesome in pervues is building

on top of Bitcoin potentially Zoom call social network Bitcoin is a protocol and the economic up is just the first up and we can build so much more on top of

that and that goes for I'm sorry guys ordinals as well don't be conservative this is an experiment let's explore, just leave it go, buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride. Of course. We knew it. That's why we're here, right? So let's just see what the protocol can achieve and let's have an open mind about it because there's so much more than sound money we can build with Bitcoin. I love that. I think that's super interesting too because again like if it fits within the consensus rules

if Bitcoin behaves as it was set out to behave who are we to say how it's used and actually to be honest we can't it's already set it already does what it does and so I would be more concerned if we could stop people from doing the things we don't like. So I think that's an excellent way to end it. Might be a little spicy for a few people. That's okay.

We're bit co-iners. We don't like easy stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So this was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It was fantastic. Lots of interesting topics.

hit. I value all of you and absolutely incredible conversation. Everybody watching, please go follow everybody down below. I have all their Twitter handles listed in the show notes. So if you're not already following them, check them out. They're all doing awesome things. And to all of you, I'll just say thank you so much and you can come back anytime. Thank you, Ben. We are Italians. If you invite us, we come. And we bring family, mama. I will see you guys in Italy. I will be there in this summer and hopefully I can catch you.

But if not, are you guys in Miami? Probably not sure. Yeah, we're going to be in Prague. Come on. We're going to see each other. Oh, yeah. I'll see you in Prague. But my wife is going to be in Miami and my wife is going to be in Italy and she's going

to be sad if she misses you because she's not in Prague. So. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, thank you guys so much. I appreciate you all. Have a wonderful evening. I'll talk to you soon.

Have a good night. Take care. Thanks, babe. Good night. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for joining in. What a blast. Again, all of their Twitter handles are in the show notes below.

Go follow them now. They're all awesome. I love everybody that was on the show. Again, I've met the Bitcoin Explores in person in France. They were incredible. and I can't wait to see them again. Nazomi, fantastic addition to this show. And again, having Plebius Economus, by the way, is this Twitter handle on the show.

Again, just diving into the Bitcoin space, well, at least publicly, was fantastic. And while I'm at it, again, new Pleb and this place, just kind of getting his legs, go follow them. at plebius economists go follow his Twitter handle 170 he said 100 at the top of the show I'm seeing 176 go follow him give him a follow if you're watching this check him out uh yeah awesome awesome recommendation also bitcoin girl save the world hardcover came out January 12th 2023 I am buying that now of course the link is on the amazon dot com I'm in Canada. I'm going to go, I'm going to go buy it on the Canadian Amazon store. But nonetheless, yeah, go check it out. I'm excited to get this and read it to my daughter. So fantastic.

Very excited. Nonetheless, go follow Nazomi. Go follow the Bitcoin Explores, both Ricky and Laura, and go follow Twitter handle at Plebius, Economists. And unless, bolster this new public entry into the Bitcoin space contributor to Bitcoin magazine. A few other things before we go. Of course, I'm going to be in Miami for Bitcoin 2020, which I mentioned before. B.tc slash conference. You can use code BTC sessions for 10% off your tickets. But I'm going to be doing a satellite event the day before the conference.

It is a cold card deep dive. I'm going to be doing a four-hour in-depth tutorial with a handful of PLEBS on how to use your cold card. We're going to go from the basics, setting it up, using it, doing air gap transaction. Well, if you're doing air gap transactions, you're already above and beyond. But we're going to be doing all of that. Plus, we're going to be diving into some of the more advanced features, pass phrases, BIP 85. all of it. We're going to be touching on it.

So if you are going to be going to Bitcoin 2023, check it out. There is a link. If you go to my website, btcsessions.ca, there's an events page and it is linked there, Bitcoin only for tickets. You can also find it on my Twitter. Nonetheless, it's going to be a good time. There are three tickets left. So I just, I announced it on Monday.

There's three tickets left. So, yeah. dive in while you can. And yeah, to wrap it up, if you're looking for additional help, of course, I've got tons of free content on my YouTube to learn everything, Bitcoin.

If you've already gone through that and you're like, hey, I would love some handholding through this, then hit up my website as well. You can book some one-on-ones through BTCSessionist.ca. With that, I'm out. Have yourselves a wonderful day or evening, wherever you may be. Like, subscribe, share, all those things,

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