BudPod with Phil Wang & Pierre Novellie - Episode 180 - Papa!
Episode Date: September 7, 2022The lads chat Truss, cheese, Gollum's six pack and fitness routine, Pierre was on RHLSTP, pointless arguments and PAPA! meaning rain. Correspondence from Lily and Michael's perfect poo story Get bonus... BudPod on Patreon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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                                         It's Budpod 180!
                                         
                                         180, the new Iron Lady!
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         Today, today, well, when this comes out, yesterday,
                                         
                                         the Queen crowned a new Queen of England.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Liz Truss, we have a new prime minister at last.
                                         
    
                                         Thank goodness.
                                         
                                         There was a moment there when we had the same prime minister for more than three months,
                                         
                                         and I thought, hey, come on now, let's change this up.
                                         
                                         This isn't how we conduct this country these days.
                                         
                                         It got boring.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It got boring.
                                         
                                         Now we want a whole new flavor of hijinks and mistakes.
                                         
    
                                         Let's swap out lazy and have crazy.
                                         
                                         Let's swap out lazy for crazy.
                                         
                                         From crazy to lazy.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I mean, yeah, Liz Truss is, yeah, they've just gone.
                                         
                                         What if the prime minister was not lazy and sort of a liar,
                                         
                                         but instead weird?
                                         
                                         Really?
                                         
                                         Really weird.
                                         
    
                                         Truly the strangest politician in the country.
                                         
                                         I can't believe.
                                         
                                         I told you that when I saw her speak at one of the Hay Festivals years ago.
                                         
                                         She was in the tent before me.
                                         
                                         Much smaller crowd.
                                         
                                         And she was just so rude.
                                         
                                         She was such a prick to everyone who asked questions.
                                         
                                         I was like, this is incredible.
                                         
    
                                         This is kind of intoxicating, actually.
                                         
                                         This is apparently her...
                                         
                                         I was like, she's never going to get ahead.
                                         
                                         But now she's the Prime Minister.
                                         
                                         Sorry, Prime Ministress.
                                         
                                         Prime Ministress. Prime Ministra. ever gonna get ahead but now she's the prime minister it's apparently prime ministress prime ministra um it's apparently her leadership style rory stewart worked on under her and was
                                         
                                         talking about how she likes to just sort of generally belittle people and be quite rude and
                                         
                                         um interrupts people in meetings to tell ask them them mental arithmetic questions.
                                         
    
                                         Random ones?
                                         
                                         Yeah, just like, quick, 17 times 21.
                                         
                                         Really?
                                         
                                         Yeah, that's what Rory Stewart was saying.
                                         
                                         It's very funny. He was being quite cheeky
                                         
                                         about it. He was saying he...
                                         
                                         Liz Truss's dad is some emeritus
                                         
                                         professor of mathematics, so he was like,
                                         
    
                                         that's clearly some childhood trauma
                                         
                                         she's reenacting on other people.
                                         
                                         Quick, Sajid.
                                         
                                         13 times 24.
                                         
                                         Or Daddy won't give you
                                         
                                         tea. Daddy won't give you cake
                                         
                                         and tea.
                                         
                                         We've got fucking Miss Trunchbull as the prime minister
                                         
    
                                         quick you whams do your times tables
                                         
                                         she does seem absolutely crackers i can't believe the cheese lady's prime minister
                                         
                                         the cheese and pork markets lady the cheese and pork woman is the PM.
                                         
                                         PM for pork markets.
                                         
                                         I mean, she seems like...
                                         
                                         Her facial expression is constantly the facial expression of someone who's just walked into an intervention
                                         
                                         that they assumed was a birthday party.
                                         
                                         What, an intervention for them.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Like slightly wide eyes, fixed grin,
                                         
                                         sort of, oh, and you're all here.
                                         
                                         But also a very clear disappointment
                                         
                                         in the situation
                                         
                                         and an eagerness to leave.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Not enjoying it.
                                         
                                         Not enjoying it.
                                         
                                         Every interview she conducts
                                         
                                         is like the interviewer
                                         
                                         has just interrupted her lunch she's got a face like she's just had a lunch interrupted
                                         
                                         yeah she was about to take a sort of cartoon bite of a sandwich and then someone went oh
                                         
                                         what are we going to do about the energy crisis like right as she was about to take a bite like
                                         
                                         a cartoon sandwich like a whole fish in it i remember cartoons would have
                                         
    
                                         sandwiches with a whole fish in them i'm like can you eat a whole fish in a sandwich is that
                                         
                                         a standard sandwich imagine the risks oh my god just straight into the head
                                         
                                         i i as a kid I always resented...
                                         
                                         A steamed fish.
                                         
                                         Just a whole steamed fish.
                                         
                                         Between two slices of sourdough.
                                         
                                         Just falling everywhere.
                                         
                                         It's wet.
                                         
    
                                         Just bones, man.
                                         
                                         The bones.
                                         
                                         Right through the bones.
                                         
                                         As a kid, I always resented the fact that things
                                         
                                         that were just very easily eaten as meat in cartoons were not in real life.
                                         
                                         Like fish.
                                         
                                         Yes, like a drumstick.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
    
                                         That was just pure meat.
                                         
                                         Maybe we've spoken about this on this podcast, actually.
                                         
                                         But the frustration of having your first drumstick and it isn't just a perfect sphere
                                         
                                         of meat at the end of a like a lollipop yeah like a stick bone and you sort of go well no i want to
                                         
                                         like tear shreds off it but i want it to be all the way through like a kebab rotating thing
                                         
                                         that's what i thought this was and they go no there's kind of like
                                         
                                         flaps and layers and a bit of gristle some tendons and there's this one there's kind of
                                         
                                         one lump that you sort of eat and that's nice but then it's it's the rest of it is a bit where you
                                         
    
                                         have to fight with a weird mini bone enjoy enjoy yeah there's like a little trap bone here like
                                         
                                         there's a booby trap bone that will try and poke you in the mouth.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And fish are the same.
                                         
                                         We just go, I want to eat fish like a bear.
                                         
                                         And they go, no, there's like a trillion tiny bones.
                                         
                                         Any one of which could kill you, apparently.
                                         
                                         I want to eat a fish like Gollum.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Pluck it out of the water, just squeak, squelch right into it.
                                         
                                         Like a bear in a stream like Gollumum, just bite its muscly back.
                                         
                                         Oh yeah, he splits it in two, doesn't he? Yeah, he just bites it on the back.
                                         
                                         He's not eating the guts, he's eating the top
                                         
                                         bit of the fish.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         That's the dream.
                                         
    
                                         Now on the Gollum diet.
                                         
                                         He's got abs.
                                         
                                         He's got abs, the Go abs to golem dude look if you crawl everywhere
                                         
                                         you're gonna get abs my friend that's a lot of core yeah yeah i mean that's one of the
                                         
                                         harder core exercises it's called like the spider-man or something that's a side crawl or the
                                         
                                         yeah crab crawl thing it's hard it really gets gets your abs going. Oh, man. He's going to be so flexible
                                         
                                         from like, he's always crouching,
                                         
                                         you know, his
                                         
    
                                         joints. That's why
                                         
                                         whenever people are like, God, isn't it
                                         
                                         crazy how strong chimps and apes
                                         
                                         are and stuff? And it's like, well, no. I mean, if you walked
                                         
                                         like half the time on your hands and
                                         
                                         shoulders, like you'd have fucking
                                         
                                         incredibly strong
                                         
                                         arms. next time next
                                         
    
                                         time someone says to you god chimps are so strong you know i dare you to go golem stronger like that
                                         
                                         what like half get out like really yeah yeah yeah like it's really like you've been waiting
                                         
                                         for this moment and like it's really important. Gollum Stronger.
                                         
                                         And you're really serious about it.
                                         
                                         I'm half getting up out of my chair and I've got one finger raised.
                                         
                                         Gollum Stronger.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         Gollum.
                                         
    
                                         Gollum.
                                         
                                         Gollum Stronger.
                                         
                                         Gollum?
                                         
                                         Smeagol?
                                         
                                         You know him?
                                         
                                         Lord of the Rings?
                                         
                                         He's stronger because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         And as I say... You weren't even part of the conversation.
                                         
    
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         In the separate conversation.
                                         
                                         It's some young guys on a train.
                                         
                                         Right, yeah.
                                         
                                         I'm on the aisle across from him.
                                         
                                         As I say the phrase, it's because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         I'm not even looking at them anymore.
                                         
                                         I'm already sitting back down, looking at the paper.
                                         
    
                                         So as you're flicking the paper back open, you just sort of go,
                                         
                                         because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         Because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         You just sort of go, because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         Because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         And then one of them goes, what?
                                         
                                         And I go, huh?
                                         
                                         He goes, what did you say?
                                         
    
                                         Because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         And then I shrug like, mm. why is that so funny this isn't it's like a sketch where i think you should leave yeah it really is yeah like he's yeah why is he annoyed that people don't know this?
                                         
                                         And he's like, yeah.
                                         
                                         They're also like, I'm so keen to intervene,
                                         
                                         but the conversation is so over for me
                                         
                                         that I'm not even looking at them as I deliver the line
                                         
                                         because he's always crawling.
                                         
                                         I'm already kind of talking to myself now.
                                         
    
                                         I think it's so obvious.
                                         
                                         Got him stronger.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         Got him stronger.
                                         
                                         As I sit down, she's always crawling more to myself than anyone else because they've got to know that because they know yeah yeah
                                         
                                         they know once yeah you're confident that once you've pointed this out to them they can figure
                                         
                                         it out on them on their own own why he would be stronger.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         If anything, I feel like I'm just pointing out something
                                         
                                         that they already know, but they've just forgotten.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I'm expecting them to go,
                                         
                                         oh, of course, of course, sir.
                                         
                                         Gollum's stronger.
                                         
                                         Gollum's Gollum stronger
                                         
                                         Single finger raised
                                         
    
                                         Half out of the chair
                                         
                                         Still semi seated
                                         
                                         Oh that got me
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         Got you good
                                         
                                         Speaking of being got good
                                         
                                         I had a lovely time last night
                                         
                                         For recording my episode of
                                         
    
                                         oh yes i can't wait to hear it when does it come out i believe it comes out
                                         
                                         in a few weeks three weeks were there pod buds in the house there were were. There were pod birds. We were outnumbered by the
                                         
                                         herring fans.
                                         
                                         By the herring fleet.
                                         
                                         Did you get a cheer going? Did you get a
                                         
                                         comparative cheer? I started a
                                         
                                         bloody brawl.
                                         
                                         Oh, great.
                                         
    
                                         Everyone brought shivs like I asked, which is good.
                                         
                                         But still
                                         
                                         that was tough.
                                         
                                         It was tough. No No it was really good
                                         
                                         I don't know
                                         
                                         I'm going to guesstimate
                                         
                                         Maybe
                                         
                                         10 pod buds
                                         
    
                                         10 pod buds
                                         
                                         I think so
                                         
                                         They were all quite near the front
                                         
                                         So it was hard to tell
                                         
                                         Judging by the sound
                                         
                                         The level of sound of the Koji
                                         
                                         It was quite a small crowd because i'm not a famous man philip um and it's a cost living crisis
                                         
                                         we've all got to cost living crisis people can't afford luxury entertainments as easily
                                         
    
                                         everything's going into the big toilet where the crazy pork woman is gonna
                                         
                                         fish it out and tell us it's still delicious
                                         
                                         has she got a lisp in my head
                                         
                                         she's got something a bit weird with her voice
                                         
                                         hasn't she
                                         
                                         a lisp yeah
                                         
                                         she's one of those
                                         
                                         people who sounds like she has a thick tongue
                                         
    
                                         not necessarily a lisp but
                                         
                                         it's just sometimes
                                         
                                         it just sometimes gets in the way like that
                                         
                                         sometimes she sort of talks
                                         
                                         it is ridiculous it's just sometimes it gets in the way sometimes she sort of talks it is ridiculous
                                         
                                         it's a sort of weird like yeah yeah like there's something a bit weird going on there or
                                         
                                         like just just been to the dentist
                                         
                                         yeah very strange voice uh very a strange voice for a strange a strange woman um i was reading
                                         
    
                                         her wikipedia yeah yeah oh well she used to be she was a lib dem as a student i think changed woman. I was reading her Wikipedia. Yeah?
                                         
                                         She was a Lib Dem as a student, I think, changed
                                         
                                         at uni to
                                         
                                         become a Tory, but she was like
                                         
                                         an anti-royalist.
                                         
                                         It's even later than that.
                                         
                                         She was president of Oxford Lib Dems
                                         
                                         and only changed in like 96 to the
                                         
    
                                         Tories, mid-90s.
                                         
                                         Oh, right.
                                         
                                         I was reading her Wikipedia and she had a big sexy affair with another MP
                                         
                                         and destroyed his marriage
                                         
                                         but her own marriage survives to this day
                                         
                                         at least in theory
                                         
                                         oh wow when was the
                                         
                                         affair
                                         
    
                                         when was the affair
                                         
                                         when was the truss affair
                                         
                                         around 2007 I think.
                                         
                                         Yeah, pre-Connectal Crash.
                                         
                                         2005, 2007.
                                         
                                         It was with the MP who was
                                         
                                         her sort of
                                         
                                         political tutor.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                         Her
                                         
                                         sensei. Her senpaipai her senpai yeah um so his marriage did not survive
                                         
                                         that hers did but isn't it nice that we've replaced one massive shagger with another massive shagger
                                         
                                         yeah we're sort of we're but not quite as massive but still a shagger we have to sort of step ourselves slowly off we can't go straight from massive shagger to to girl scout but we need
                                         
                                         massive shagger down to mere adulterer yeah then as far as we know and then and the next as far as
                                         
                                         we know um allegedly and then next prime minister will be a real stick in the mud, ideally.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Well, hopefully it'll be Captain Rules himself, Mr. Kirstana.
                                         
                                         He's my guy so far, at least.
                                         
                                         I mean...
                                         
                                         Captain Rules comes to save the day,
                                         
                                         but not in a reckless way.
                                         
                                         Captain Rules. Yeah. But not in a reckless way Captain rules It's boring, but it works
                                         
                                         Oh, I'd love a bit of boring politics
                                         
                                         Imagine a boring prime minister
                                         
    
                                         I'm so excited for the very idea of someone who isn't extremely weird
                                         
                                         America went too far
                                         
                                         Went from not boring enough to literally dead.
                                         
                                         And that's too far.
                                         
                                         I think dead is too far.
                                         
                                         Old sleepy Grandpa Biden has been saying some pretty spicy stuff the last few weeks.
                                         
                                         I've been very pleased to see it.
                                         
                                         What's he been saying?
                                         
    
                                         He's been calling the MAGA people basically fascists and saying,
                                         
                                         they're going to fucking kill you, like, to the public.
                                         
                                         They're ramping up the rhetoric.
                                         
                                         Like, these people are insane.
                                         
                                         Like, you know.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's good.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         They're no longer doing that thing where he's going like,
                                         
    
                                         oh, everyone's very nice if you just get to know them.
                                         
                                         They're going a bit spicy.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Old Grandpa Zombies turning the heat up a little.
                                         
                                         That's why Ped um, that's why
                                         
                                         Pedo Hitler was trending. That's what the American
                                         
                                         Republican MAGA people
                                         
    
                                         decided he was called now.
                                         
                                         They decided Joe Biden
                                         
                                         was called Pedo Hitler? Yeah,
                                         
                                         because he did a speech where he was like, these guys seem crazy.
                                         
                                         Anyone else?
                                         
                                         Anyone else think these guys seem like
                                         
                                         semi-fascists?
                                         
                                         Although, to you, doesn't Pedo Hitler sound like someone who really hates pedos and wants to kill them?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Because imagine if there was a guy who went around killing all the pedos.
                                         
                                         Then people would say, God, I mean, in the pedo community, he's like pedo Hitler, that guy.
                                         
                                         God.
                                         
                                         Maybe take that out.
                                         
                                         I was going to say it sounded more like
                                         
                                         the strictest pedophile.
                                         
                                         Right, so like a grammar Nazi.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, it's like he's trying to marshal
                                         
                                         all the pedophiles into some sort of
                                         
                                         horrifying fascist unit.
                                         
                                         Like all the evil in one place.
                                         
                                         It would be very convenient if all the people we hated were pedophile Nazis.
                                         
                                         I mean, that would make life very easy.
                                         
                                         Be nice.
                                         
                                         Consolidate all of your disagreements
                                         
    
                                         into one enormous Nazi pita pie.
                                         
                                         It would make morality,
                                         
                                         which is otherwise quite a complex thing to navigate,
                                         
                                         quite simple, I suppose.
                                         
                                         Goodies and baddies, Phil.
                                         
                                         I once had a very tedious conversation
                                         
                                         with someone who insisted to my face
                                         
                                         that good and evil were tangible concepts that existed
                                         
    
                                         and could be sort of measured who said this who said this um this is someone right someone said
                                         
                                         to you that but like what like they were quantifiable yeah like like separate from
                                         
                                         their own like views and culture and stuff like what's the word i'm trying to say here
                                         
                                         absolute absolute they were like objective absolutes that could exist externally to a moral system it was very strange yeah because i was saying to them like yeah but if you were
                                         
                                         like an aztec then sacrificing some slaves to try and get the harvest to work like that's good that's
                                         
                                         that's a morally good thing to do you're trying to make sure everyone has food.
                                         
                                         And they go, no, but that's evil, though.
                                         
                                         And it's like, no.
                                         
    
                                         It was very, very, it was really, really odd
                                         
                                         because this is a person older than me
                                         
                                         who is a grown-up, who has a job and a mind.
                                         
                                         And has experienced life in the world. Yeah, you think. you do really know some history and has met people
                                         
                                         who think differently yeah they think that it's swum through some shades of gray or but uh no
                                         
                                         they they said no no no that's um that that's bad and these things are good i said okay yeah
                                         
                                         it was so strange.
                                         
                                         It was like in Dragon Ball Z where they just block every sort of punch and you just go, I can't, I can't.
                                         
    
                                         Like nothing gets through and you go, all right.
                                         
                                         You win, I guess, in a way.
                                         
                                         In a way, I guess you win.
                                         
                                         When was the last time you had a pointless argument With someone who didn't want to hear it
                                         
                                         Probably a while ago
                                         
                                         Yeah probably
                                         
                                         People usually always want to hear my arguments
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
    
                                         Because they're so good
                                         
                                         Oh I don't know really i um
                                         
                                         i've had a i've had um arguments about sort of communism and capitalism and that kind of thing
                                         
                                         but i think i've told that story on here before oh yeah arguing with a guy who literally said
                                         
                                         communism hasn't been tried yet.
                                         
                                         Oh, classic.
                                         
                                         Real communism.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         And, you know,
                                         
                                         and then,
                                         
                                         and that,
                                         
                                         that really amazing argument
                                         
                                         of like,
                                         
                                         when you bring up
                                         
                                         how many millions of people
                                         
                                         have died
                                         
    
                                         because of communism,
                                         
                                         people go,
                                         
                                         well, how many people
                                         
                                         have died from
                                         
                                         the environmental damage from capitalism
                                         
                                         and i was like what so russia and china don't have power stations you know and russia famously
                                         
                                         hated coal goods so the soviet union hated coal and steel and you want to go well how good was chernobyl for for the environment
                                         
                                         um yeah so the but but um he did seem actually to give to have to give it some um some thought
                                         
    
                                         afterwards he did seem a little but we can i can never tell if you've gone through someone or if
                                         
                                         they just want the argument to end yeah they can sense that it's not going well for them and they
                                         
                                         just think i need to i i they they don't actually care about what they've just said they just want the argument to end. Yeah, they can sense that it's not going well for them and they just think,
                                         
                                         they don't actually care about what they've just said.
                                         
                                         They just didn't think anyone would ever...
                                         
                                         They thought they were going to get a pat on the head minimum
                                         
                                         at most maybe some sexual favors from saying it.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Whereas instead now they're being schooled.
                                         
                                         And it's happened to me once or twice,
                                         
                                         but I would never ever recount those stories here obviously
                                         
                                         i wouldn't even acknowledge that this actually happened and if you try to tell me to have i'll
                                         
                                         deny it i almost sometimes you know what unfairly i almost have less respect for when you like people
                                         
                                         where you say like a really obvious counter argument and they go huh and you go what really well you have less respect for
                                         
                                         people who are who take what you what you have to say on board and have an open mind
                                         
                                         not that open mind so much it's just like when it's a really obvious like counterpoint that
                                         
    
                                         you could have just imagined in your own head in the shower oh right right right as in like
                                         
                                         just like just sort of go well what if they're lying and they go oh yeah and you go really that didn't occur to you at any point right i see what you mean that that
                                         
                                         might not be the case you know no i know wow like that that to me is someone who's just like
                                         
                                         they've said something someone's someone said something they've heard it and it's like they
                                         
                                         found a hat in the street and they've tried it on and they like how it fits it's just that that
                                         
                                         kind of shallow opinion harvesting that they don tried it on and they like how it fits it's just that kind of shallow
                                         
                                         opinion harvesting
                                         
                                         they have never really thought about it
                                         
    
                                         they haven't sort of
                                         
                                         grubbed through all the options
                                         
                                         they've just gone I like that, I'll say that
                                         
                                         I like that, I'll say that
                                         
                                         which we've all done
                                         
                                         at some point in our lives but it's important to admit it
                                         
                                         it's important to admit it sure it's
                                         
                                         important to admit for sure sometimes i'll very so boldly stay state a claim or opinion about
                                         
    
                                         something and then someone will go oh how so and then in that moment i realized oh fuck i haven't
                                         
                                         thought about this one yet because sometimes you pick up an opinion just so if you put it in the
                                         
                                         chamber and you look and you go ah that one feels about right and i'll do the background reading at some point but then you're
                                         
                                         called upon to defend that opinion sooner than you had time to look it up in the schedule so then
                                         
                                         yeah so so then you go i actually believe this and people go oh but how come and you go oh crap
                                         
                                         no that wasn't sorry i was only going to research i was going to research that next weekend. So if you come back and ask
                                         
                                         me then. Well, the book's on the
                                         
                                         bedside table, so I'll text you
                                         
    
                                         when I've
                                         
                                         justified this. But for now...
                                         
                                         That's the other thing I do with
                                         
                                         opinions is
                                         
                                         if I've read a book
                                         
                                         that takes
                                         
                                         aside on a subject
                                         
                                         and the book is um sufficiently long and required a sufficient
                                         
    
                                         commitment from me it will become my opinion oh i see even if because i think it's kind of like a
                                         
                                         sunk cost thing where i've gone oh i've spent all this time in this book and energy on it i guess i guess this is what i think now because if i don't then i've wasted all those hours reading
                                         
                                         this book yeah well then what was it for if it's not what i think also i guess it's also like
                                         
                                         because i've read this one book i now know this side of the argument better than any other side
                                         
                                         yeah so it's a self-fulfilling side yeah yeah yeah because
                                         
                                         you go well this argument's got loads behind it because of there's the book is in my head
                                         
                                         have you ever read something and you've gone oh very good very interesting but at the end you're
                                         
                                         just like but nope don't agree i have yeah i have um's hard, though, because it's better when you're reading something you don't agree with
                                         
    
                                         where the argument is still clever.
                                         
                                         Because you can go, oh, that's clever.
                                         
                                         I disagree, but that's clever.
                                         
                                         I can see why.
                                         
                                         Oh, okay.
                                         
                                         But when you're reading something you disagree with and it's just like mad,
                                         
                                         like complete, like plucked from the air horseshit,
                                         
                                         then it's really hard to finish because you just go, well, no.
                                         
    
                                         And if you think that, then everything you're going to say
                                         
                                         Based on that is also wrong because you're basing it
                                         
                                         On a fallacy so why am I still
                                         
                                         Reading this and you just throw it in the bin
                                         
                                         Mmm
                                         
                                         But then you feel like you need to finish it
                                         
                                         Just so that when you do argue your side
                                         
                                         You can say well I've read the opposite side
                                         
    
                                         I've read it
                                         
                                         And it's mad
                                         
                                         I've read it I know's mad and say i've read it i know yeah oh i know oh i know yeah
                                         
                                         yeah you can yell you can yell that across the living room but um no i don't i don't
                                         
                                         i don't see the i was saying this i used to i used to care about um correcting stuff and now i just let it i just let
                                         
                                         it go i just let it fly because of is it like a life's too short kind of thing or are you understand
                                         
                                         that you can't change people now um i i now i save it as uh for someone where I'll correct someone if I care how they come across.
                                         
                                         So like a friend of mine, say.
                                         
    
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         So I wouldn't want to leave a friend of mine saying something that I know isn't true.
                                         
                                         Uh-huh.
                                         
                                         Uh-huh.
                                         
                                         Out of concern for the fact that it's not true but also for like it's embarrassing
                                         
                                         for them to be saying something that if i can just say and then because they're my friend and
                                         
                                         they'll listen to me and it won't be as uh awkward right right whereas if and it's embarrassing for
                                         
                                         you potentially it's embarrassing people know they're your friend and people go did you know
                                         
    
                                         pierre's friends and this said this dumb And then people go, that means Pierre's
                                         
                                         dumb. And you go, yeah, yeah, that's right.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         And then the murmurs will spread through
                                         
                                         the crowd, Phil.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         He's been dumb the whole time.
                                         
                                         This brain
                                         
    
                                         comes right off.
                                         
                                         They kind of tear my brain out of my head.
                                         
                                         An angry mob
                                         
                                         yeah i guess of the other extreme of that is like just someone on the bus stop who goes
                                         
                                         you know buses are made of cream and and you're like yeah yeah yeah well maybe maybe
                                         
                                         that's the other end right yeah exactly you go you just you just nod and smile inscrutably
                                         
                                         yeah or like um uh an acquaintance uh tweeting a historical photograph that is with the wrong
                                         
                                         caption yes yes yeah and you know them a bit you don't know them that well. The error's not too bad.
                                         
    
                                         It's dumb, but it's not your problem.
                                         
                                         And you just go, yeah, whatever, whatever.
                                         
                                         It would take too much energy from all of us to resolve this
                                         
                                         for literally zero gain.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         There's zero gain in it.
                                         
                                         Well done, Pierre.
                                         
                                         I mean, even you just saying there's zero gain in it well done Pierre even you just saying there's zero gain in it
                                         
    
                                         shows progress I think
                                         
                                         well it's just fatigue I think
                                         
                                         I think I've just been ground down in my reality
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         I wish I could say this was an evolved decision
                                         
                                         that's life
                                         
                                         that's what all the people say
                                         
                                         oh the
                                         
    
                                         ground life
                                         
                                         getting ground
                                         
                                         ground right down
                                         
                                         that's good
                                         
                                         yeah sure
                                         
                                         it's
                                         
                                         it started raining Pierre it's raining
                                         
                                         oh it's lovely and grey
                                         
    
                                         and wet
                                         
                                         it's like at the end of the little princess
                                         
                                         where she runs out and it's raining.
                                         
                                         Have you ever watched The Little Princess?
                                         
                                         What is that?
                                         
                                         And she goes,
                                         
                                         Papa!
                                         
                                         Papa!
                                         
    
                                         She's in a horrible orphanage
                                         
                                         and her father's gone away to India.
                                         
                                         And she is looked after by a horrible orphanage mistress.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         But she knows all these Indian folk tales,
                                         
                                         and so she escapes into Indian folklore while she's trapped in this attic.
                                         
                                         And the man moves in down the street,
                                         
                                         and it's her father,
                                         
    
                                         but he's got amnesia from the war.
                                         
                                         And he's like,
                                         
                                         Papa, Papa!
                                         
                                         And the guy's like, I don't know who this little girl is.
                                         
                                         And she goes, Papa.
                                         
                                         And then at the end, the rain comes raining down.
                                         
                                         And the Papa steps outside.
                                         
                                         And he's remembered.
                                         
    
                                         And there's a mystical, magical Sikh man who like a music box and a little monkey on it
                                         
                                         i mean they couldn't do it now yeah but but there's this mystical powerful maybe god seek man
                                         
                                         gives her a little nod like a smiling nod and and the monkeys or gives a little nod on their
                                         
                                         shoulder yeah and and then and the papa is like, I don't know,
                                         
                                         Amy?
                                         
                                         And she goes,
                                         
                                         Papa!
                                         
                                         Her only line in the movie is Papa.
                                         
    
                                         Papa.
                                         
                                         So,
                                         
                                         Papa.
                                         
                                         What is,
                                         
                                         is this a cartoon?
                                         
                                         What is this?
                                         
                                         No, it's a live action film.
                                         
                                         Really?
                                         
    
                                         The papa is played by the guy who becomes...
                                         
                                         I think it's the guy who's the...
                                         
                                         Isn't he the captain in Titanic?
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         I think he might be.
                                         
                                         Papa!
                                         
                                         And so whenever rain comes down
                                         
                                         and I've been waiting for rain for a while,
                                         
    
                                         I think of the little princess
                                         
                                         and I just go,
                                         
                                         Papa!
                                         
                                         I run out into the garden
                                         
                                         and look up at the sky.
                                         
                                         Is it called Our Little Princess?
                                         
                                         The Little Princess.
                                         
                                         Are you sure?
                                         
    
                                         Oh, I hope so.
                                         
                                         It looks like it's Our Little Princess.
                                         
                                         Oh, sorry.
                                         
                                         It is Our Little Princess.
                                         
                                         Yeah, Liam Cunningham.
                                         
                                         Liam Cunningham.
                                         
                                         Liam Cunningham? Liam Cunningham?
                                         
                                         In a dual role?
                                         
    
                                         He's in Game of Thrones.
                                         
                                         The Onion Knight?
                                         
                                         Onion Knight.
                                         
                                         Yes, Davor Seaworth. Oh, right.
                                         
                                         Is he the papa?
                                         
                                         He's the papa.
                                         
                                         Oh, he got blown up and he had amnesia
                                         
                                         or something. I see.
                                         
    
                                         He's a captain in this.
                                         
                                         Liam Cunningham is always a captain.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         He's always a captain.
                                         
                                         Nice.
                                         
                                         A nice captain.
                                         
                                         A wealthy and honest aristocrat.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
    
                                         Chill out, mate.
                                         
                                         It's so funny.
                                         
                                         These old stories, you can tell that literature used to be so aristocratic because
                                         
                                         they aren't like the the evil um industrialist and the plucky young upstart is like the evil
                                         
                                         industrialist and the kind industrialist it's all like uh it's all like um it's all there always is the even good and evil all exist on the spectrum of
                                         
                                         of wealth still yeah it's yeah it's like you say the evil industrial the evil duke and the kind
                                         
                                         baron the nice little baron yeah because they just can't imagine anyone else playing a sort of role in things. She reprimands a chimney sweep.
                                         
                                         Jonás Guarón.
                                         
    
                                         Who?
                                         
                                         Qui es?
                                         
                                         Qui es Jonás?
                                         
                                         Jonás Guarón, Elizondo.
                                         
                                         Vassar College.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         He's very...
                                         
                                         He co-wrote Gravity.
                                         
    
                                         Wowee.
                                         
                                         Who?
                                         
                                         Liam Cunningham?
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         Oh, the director.
                                         
                                         Juanascaron, cabron.
                                         
                                         I've never ever heard of this
                                         
                                         or anyone in it or anything about it.
                                         
    
                                         This is completely snuck by me.
                                         
                                         Well.
                                         
                                         How did you watch it?
                                         
                                         You must watch.
                                         
                                         How did it come up into your life?
                                         
                                         Mother brought it back on vhs one day and um yeah and you know you just end up watching the same thing again and again and when you're in the 90s in those days whatever's on cassette
                                         
                                         you just watch yeah rewind it put it on again papa papa papa that going to be in my head fucking forever now.
                                         
                                         Thank you for that.
                                         
    
                                         Every time I see rain, it's raining here too.
                                         
                                         Lovely cooling rain.
                                         
                                         Okay, we should probably read some correspondents.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         We should run into rain of letters.
                                         
                                         Papa.
                                         
                                         Poo-poo.
                                         
                                         Poo-poo.
                                         
    
                                         Poo-poo, it's you. Poo-poo. You did it Poo-poo! Poo-poo, it's you!
                                         
                                         Poo-poo!
                                         
                                         You did it, Poo-poo!
                                         
                                         Ring, ring, emails,
                                         
                                         phone calls,
                                         
                                         your sister,
                                         
                                         keep it fast,
                                         
                                         ring, ring,
                                         
    
                                         correspondence.
                                         
                                         A short, nice,
                                         
                                         flattering message from Lily saying,
                                         
                                         I won't share any correspondence with you because you have too much to get through.
                                         
                                         Unless you fancy hearing about the time I got covered in so much vomit,
                                         
                                         it permanently put me off sitting at table seats on trains.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         Sounds interesting.
                                         
    
                                         But she hasn't included that
                                         
                                         No she says
                                         
                                         Yeah a teaser
                                         
                                         One can only imagine what happened
                                         
                                         Something vomit related
                                         
                                         And I imagine it happened
                                         
                                         On a table on a train
                                         
                                         You'd think so
                                         
    
                                         Yeah just swimming in the stuff
                                         
                                         Must have been just
                                         
                                         Covered in it
                                         
                                         I think we haven't read this from Michael
                                         
                                         Michael
                                         
                                         Do I spikele
                                         
                                         A bit of correspondence
                                         
                                         You sure do
                                         
    
                                         Dear Poddington Peas
                                         
                                         Budpod praise redacted.
                                         
                                         Thank you.
                                         
                                         It's called A Perfect Poo Story.
                                         
                                         I don't think we've read it.
                                         
                                         Hmm, a perfect one.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         They say it doesn't exist,
                                         
    
                                         the perfect poo story.
                                         
                                         Well, it says,
                                         
                                         I've been a keen listener to Budpod
                                         
                                         for the past few weeks
                                         
                                         and have now caught up to episode 99, Stevie's Fountain of Shit in the Bath.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Stevie's Fountain of Shit in the Bath.
                                         
                                         Oh, yes.
                                         
    
                                         The really drunk guy who just fell into
                                         
                                         a bathtub and it squirted out
                                         
                                         of him like a fountain. Lying face down with his
                                         
                                         bum out, yeah.
                                         
                                         Horrible.
                                         
                                         It says, I've been holding off sending you
                                         
                                         my own tale
                                         
                                         for fear that you'd moved on from the topic before I'd caught up
                                         
    
                                         but it's clear that the river of shit goes ever on
                                         
                                         so here it goes
                                         
                                         This is, in my view, a perfect poo story
                                         
                                         It has spectacular fecal fireworks
                                         
                                         remains a fantastic anecdote
                                         
                                         and best of all, I have no memory of it whatsoever
                                         
                                         Oh wow, she browned out Old Michael Best of all, I have no memory of it whatsoever. Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         She browned out.
                                         
    
                                         Old Michael.
                                         
                                         Oh, sorry, Michael.
                                         
                                         Browning out.
                                         
                                         Oh, yes, he browned out.
                                         
                                         Allow me to explain.
                                         
                                         I will allow you.
                                         
                                         I was born with a genetic condition known as Hirschsprung's disease.
                                         
                                         Hirschsprung's disease.
                                         
    
                                         Hirschsprung. As in H-I-R-S-C-H. Hirschsprung's disease. Hirschsprung's disease. Hirschsprung.
                                         
                                         As in H-I-R-S-C-H.
                                         
                                         Hirschsprung.
                                         
                                         This has many exciting ramifications
                                         
                                         on one's internal organs,
                                         
                                         but for me it meant that the nerve endings
                                         
                                         in roughly six inches of my large intestine
                                         
                                         were completely inert and dead and dysfunctional.
                                         
    
                                         As a result, this section of Bowel was unable
                                         
                                         to perform its basic push-me-pull-you task.
                                         
                                         All southbound traffic
                                         
                                         was prevented from reaching its final destination,
                                         
                                         resulting in a terrible and literal
                                         
                                         logjam.
                                         
                                         Oh, it was a signal failure.
                                         
                                         Mmm.
                                         
    
                                         Mmm.
                                         
                                         I was from birth bunged up
                                         
                                         bummed brain.
                                         
                                         Aye yai, aye.
                                         
                                         The fix for this was a fairly simple operation to remove the offending bit of bowel.
                                         
                                         But this had to wait until I was two years old.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         So what followed was two years of chronic constipation,
                                         
    
                                         alleviated by soap-based suppositories administered every few days.
                                         
                                         Fun, fun, fun.
                                         
                                         Aye, aye, aye.
                                         
                                         Yeesh. Still the cleanest anus in the kingdom. Soap-based suppositories administered every few days. Fun, fun, fun. Ay, ay, ay.
                                         
                                         Yeesh.
                                         
                                         Still the cleanest anus in the kingdom.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's a terrible fart.
                                         
                                         Wash your anus out with soap.
                                         
    
                                         At the age of roughly 18 months, I endured a particularly long barren stretch.
                                         
                                         That's another one of the kind aristocrats, barren stretch.
                                         
                                         Barren stretch.
                                         
                                         Very tall.
                                         
                                         Another gift from barren stretch, Mama.
                                         
                                         Oh, will he ever stop trying to woo me?
                                         
                                         I endured a particularly long, barren stretch.
                                         
                                         13 days without a shit, my personal record.
                                         
    
                                         13 days, Phil.
                                         
                                         13 days.
                                         
                                         Unlucky number for some.
                                         
                                         He says, I was fit to burst.
                                         
                                         You could play my belly like a bongo drum.
                                         
                                         Into the hospital we went. To be told by a fresh-faced medic
                                         
                                         That a digital examination would be necessary
                                         
                                         Digital examination
                                         
    
                                         Digital excreation
                                         
                                         Nice
                                         
                                         Thank you
                                         
                                         Digital
                                         
                                         In your bum place
                                         
                                         Yes, yes Digital in your bum place.
                                         
                                         Yes, yes.
                                         
                                         Digital shit on my face.
                                         
    
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Well.
                                         
                                         Digital.
                                         
                                         That's a theme tune that they play when you start.
                                         
                                         It's good. It comes in through the hospital speakers.
                                         
                                         Everyone sings along.
                                         
                                         So Michael says,
                                         
                                         I was placed on my front and then the probing began.
                                         
    
                                         Minutes of fruitless prodding
                                         
                                         passed.
                                         
                                         We haven't got any prod fruits out of this.
                                         
                                         The doctor says, very self-concerned.
                                         
                                         Nurse, any prod fruits?
                                         
                                         No, doctor.
                                         
                                         Damn it! He slams the table.
                                         
                                         Damn it!
                                         
    
                                         Digital. Yes, I know!
                                         
                                         Then, Catastrophe.
                                         
                                         The young Doctor delved too deeply
                                         
                                         and broke
                                         
                                         the seal.
                                         
                                         Flew too close to the sun!
                                         
                                         I like the Lord of the Rings reference there.
                                         
                                         Delve too deep.
                                         
    
                                         Is that a Lord of the Rings reference?
                                         
                                         And they call it a mine.
                                         
                                         Yeah, the mines of Moria.
                                         
                                         The dwarves delve too deep and work up the Balrog.
                                         
                                         Ah.
                                         
                                         And they call it a mine.
                                         
                                         The dam burst.
                                         
                                         A turd torrent straight from my bum
                                         
    
                                         hit him directly in the face.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Like it found oil.
                                         
                                         I'm a pool man.
                                         
                                         In there will be blood.
                                         
                                         I prod your prod fruits.
                                         
    
                                         I prod your prodfruits. I prod them up.
                                         
                                         I'm a pool man, and this is my associate, HW.
                                         
                                         This is my boy. Okay.
                                         
                                         So, turd torrent straight from my bum
                                         
                                         Hit him directly in the face
                                         
                                         The fecal fusillade
                                         
                                         Fusillade
                                         
                                         Threw my semi-liquid shit
                                         
    
                                         All over his face
                                         
                                         In his mouth
                                         
                                         Eyes, ears, nose
                                         
                                         And all over his shirt
                                         
                                         Oh la la
                                         
                                         He coughed
                                         
                                         Spluttered
                                         
                                         Stood up
                                         
    
                                         And swooned
                                         
                                         Wow
                                         
                                         A senior doctor
                                         
                                         And so Michael
                                         
                                         Michael is at this point
                                         
                                         Like one? He is 18 months one and a half
                                         
                                         18 months 18 months yeah yeah one and a half um a senior amazing yeah amazing power like amazing
                                         
                                         power and volume from uh well such a small child 13 days of pressure of pressure in a less than one foot long body.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, 13 days of pressure would
                                         
                                         rocket poo out of an adult man.
                                         
                                         Never mind a compact child.
                                         
                                         And I guess it's all milk, isn't it?
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         All very loose.
                                         
                                         A year and a half? Is that milk or are they eating things?
                                         
                                         I think they're starting.
                                         
    
                                         They're starting.
                                         
                                         They're starting to eat stuff um a senior doctor was on hand to catch the poor man and take him
                                         
                                         to another room to administer aid my mom burst into tears and kept apologizing
                                         
                                         i'm sorry he doesn't shit in our face at home. He usually isn't like this.
                                         
                                         My dad spent the next 15 minutes laughing his head off,
                                         
                                         and I, the miasmic menace,
                                         
                                         sat up, let out a tremendous fart,
                                         
                                         and arranged an angelic smile upon my face.
                                         
    
                                         I have no idea what happened to the doctor.
                                         
                                         Apparently, we never saw him again.
                                         
                                         Yeah, he quit, he retired Yeah
                                         
                                         Perhaps he retrained as a lighthouse keeper
                                         
                                         Or a trawlerman, or an astronaut
                                         
                                         Anything to escape the memory of my stench
                                         
                                         The story has passed into legend among the family
                                         
                                         Told by my father with inexhaustible gusto
                                         
    
                                         To anyone who'd listen
                                         
                                         Friends, new girlfriends, passing postmen
                                         
                                         It brings with it no shame with inexhaustible gusto to anyone who'd listened. Friends, new girlfriends, passing postmen.
                                         
                                         It brings... It brings with it no shame.
                                         
                                         I was young and thankfully my bowels
                                         
                                         are now practically bomb-proof.
                                         
                                         It's just the joy of a good story about shit.
                                         
                                         I commend it to the Bud Pod House.
                                         
    
                                         No one said that before.
                                         
                                         That was really funny.
                                         
                                         That's great.
                                         
                                         Hey, me and Pierre here going Most good
                                         
                                         Here here
                                         
                                         Great story Michael
                                         
                                         Thank you
                                         
                                         I hope you both will keep on keeping on
                                         
    
                                         And of course you simply must keep jacking it
                                         
                                         Yours I Michael
                                         
                                         Thank you very much Michael
                                         
                                         I would say that was delightful.
                                         
                                         And yeah, and shame
                                         
                                         free because
                                         
                                         nothing more can be expected of you
                                         
                                         at that age. That's perfect. Perfect crime.
                                         
    
                                         And is that why he's called it
                                         
                                         the perfect Pooh story? Because it's the perfect crime.
                                         
                                         I think so because of the lack of
                                         
                                         now shame.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Nice one.
                                         
                                         Yes, I think
                                         
                                         that's, it is pretty perfect.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, good stuff.
                                         
                                         Lovely.
                                         
                                         Well, I mean, that's about the time
                                         
                                         that we have, I'm afraid, because it was such a delightful
                                         
                                         tale.
                                         
                                         Yeah, such a delightful tale
                                         
                                         of plops and docks.
                                         
                                         Isn't it funny that the story about the grown man
                                         
    
                                         who shattered a fountain in the bathtub,
                                         
                                         that's probably the end of his marriage.
                                         
                                         But for Michael, because he was one and a half,
                                         
                                         he's like, ah, ha, ha, ha.
                                         
                                         It almost doesn't seem fair.
                                         
                                         It's harder to be cute once you have back hair.
                                         
                                         Once you're so tangibly an adult And a bubbling fountain of shit
                                         
                                         Rockets out of your bare bum
                                         
    
                                         In front of assembled guests
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         Yeah you should know better then I guess
                                         
                                         But it's the last taboo
                                         
                                         It's the final taboo
                                         
                                         And it's one that I'm going to break
                                         
                                         Dammit I'm going to change that I'm going to break. Damn it.
                                         
                                         I'm going to change it.
                                         
    
                                         I'm going to fix society.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks for listening, guys.
                                         
                                         Oh, last week I was on
                                         
                                         Have I Got News For You special
                                         
                                         about Boris Johnson
                                         
                                         as he left office.
                                         
                                         It's on iPlayer now.
                                         
    
                                         It's a Sterling episode
                                         
                                         I think. It's one for the ages.
                                         
                                         Lovely. It's me,
                                         
                                         Ian and Paul, obviously
                                         
                                         with Jack D hosting and Janet
                                         
                                         Streetporter, who's a real edge really.
                                         
                                         She has amazing stories. Yeah, so check it out!
                                         
                                         Otherwise,
                                         
    
                                         see you again soon and see the
                                         
                                         Patreons in the bonus pod.
                                         
                                         See you there!
                                         
                                         Bye!
                                         
