BudPod with Phil Wang & Pierre Novellie - Episode 185 - Burn that baby!
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                                         It's Budpod 185.
                                         
                                         185, uh...
                                         
                                         Um, hmm.
                                         
                                         185 trusts still alive, somehow.
                                         
                                         Yes, yes, the cheese idiot clings on.
                                         
                                         Cheese pork markets lady is still in...
                                         
                                         Still in power. I saw a tweet to Andrew Daw ladies, still in power.
                                         
                                         I saw a tweet, Andrew Dawson, the comedy writer,
                                         
    
                                         the excellent comedy writer,
                                         
                                         pointed out that pigs have been at the centre
                                         
                                         of British political disaster and controversy for years now.
                                         
                                         There was Ed Milib Ben's bacon sandwich.
                                         
                                         Oh yeah.
                                         
                                         Dave, David Cameron fucking a pig's head, a pig's head.
                                         
                                         Um, pepper pig world with Boris.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
    
                                         And now the pork markets lady is likely to be the most disastrous prime minister in British history.
                                         
                                         That's interesting.
                                         
                                         And then also, of course, in black black mirror the prime minister and the pig oh yeah i mean that was just weird
                                         
                                         especially when that came out especially when that came out before the the pig fucking just
                                         
                                         to be clear i was i was making a noise of disgust at you sipping that hot audibly hot drink as
                                         
                                         opposed to the idea of fucking a pig i'd'd rather I'd heard you fucking a pig.
                                         
                                         Well, the listener won't hear it
                                         
                                         because I'm nice enough to do it away from the microphone,
                                         
    
                                         but not away from the headphones I talk to you with.
                                         
                                         Yes, you're living that cyberpunk 2077 life
                                         
                                         where you've got magic headphones.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so it's all for you
                                         
                                         it means I get to hear
                                         
                                         every wet
                                         
                                         bubble
                                         
                                         there I just did it without slurping
                                         
    
                                         and burnt my lips in the process so you're welcome
                                         
                                         all I want is for you
                                         
                                         to toughen up them lips
                                         
                                         that's all I want
                                         
                                         just stick on the rubber lips
                                         
                                         this big like rubber lips yeah like
                                         
                                         those sweets yeah that's all i want is for you to have sort of terrifying cartoon plastic lips just
                                         
                                         for drinking hot drinks but yeah i've been glued to the news it's i'm covered'm covered in news gloop, yeah? I'm covered in news gloop.
                                         
    
                                         All I do all day
                                         
                                         is listen to news podcasts
                                         
                                         about Liz Truss
                                         
                                         and the economic disaster.
                                         
                                         And I love it.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         This has really got to you, hasn't it?
                                         
                                         I've watched you just
                                         
    
                                         just chowing down
                                         
                                         on hour after hour of
                                         
                                         news analysis content.
                                         
                                         I think I just find
                                         
                                         it so fascinating and
                                         
                                         so
                                         
                                         satisfying because this is
                                         
                                         the clearest
                                         
    
                                         and most inescapable
                                         
                                         collision with the reality
                                         
                                         that the Brexit wing of the Tory party have experienced.
                                         
                                         Yeah, well you and I both saw that the deputy editor of the Telegraph
                                         
                                         wrote a column about how this whole thing shows you that Brexit was silly
                                         
                                         and not a good idea, broadly.
                                         
                                         Yeah, fundamentally there's no such thing as pure sovereignty
                                         
                                         sovereignty in an interconnected world and this has proved that i recommend by the way
                                         
    
                                         finding his tweet where he tweets like my latest column you know and then the link
                                         
                                         click on quote tweets and just enjoy this
                                         
                                         well hate scroll doom scroll this avalanche of people who have like charles the
                                         
                                         second as their as their you know profile picture just going oh convenient establishment forgets the
                                         
                                         sabotage of the ramona just this like tidal wave of gibberish just mad yeah true brexit has never been tried
                                         
                                         stalin-esque madness oh yeah i mean this is where it's going to end up like in in my more
                                         
                                         naive moments i think ah this is the wake-up moment for the brexit voters and brexiteers
                                         
                                         they'll finally realize that this whole fantasy was a scam and was never going to work but they're
                                         
    
                                         just going to go down the true brexit hasn't been tried route aren't they i think so i think so i
                                         
                                         think the only reason they could ever deceive themselves was the idea that they they hated
                                         
                                         europe so much and had this weird cultural antipathy towards europeans generally so much
                                         
                                         and regulation that they just sort of thought well i presume that somewhere
                                         
                                         out there are some benevolent group of wealthy foreigners who will give us money and even if
                                         
                                         that was true and it's not that mindset is like pre us remembering that china is horrible pre us
                                         
                                         remembering that russia is horrible pre us remembering that america will bully you in a
                                         
                                         trade deal if it can because it can can. Blah, blah, blah.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, yeah.
                                         
                                         The fact that some of the Brexit people were like,
                                         
                                         look at all this profitable trade we used to do with Kenya up until something happened in the 50s.
                                         
                                         Who can say what it was?
                                         
                                         Yep.
                                         
                                         At this point, I'm actually, and maybe I'm exposing my naivety again here.
                                         
                                         But at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we're back in the customs union within a decade.
                                         
                                         Do you think?
                                         
    
                                         I think, yeah.
                                         
                                         I mean, it's just,
                                         
                                         it just, this is such,
                                         
                                         this feels like such a wake-up call.
                                         
                                         Maybe I'm over-egging it a little
                                         
                                         and maybe this is wishful thinking.
                                         
                                         But especially if,
                                         
                                         especially if the Kirsten Dahmer government
                                         
    
                                         is the next one in 2025,
                                         
                                         which seems pretty likely.
                                         
                                         Yes, it does seem likely.
                                         
                                         It is funny to see all the polls
                                         
                                         that say that the Tories
                                         
                                         would end up with fucking 11 mps or something yeah yeah but i mean this is almost
                                         
                                         certainly wishful thinking for me but i feel like we're heading to risk you know either
                                         
                                         re-entering the customs union and calling it something else or you're trying to you know
                                         
    
                                         because this just can't go on like this maybe they would maybe they would well phil speaking
                                         
                                         of future trade opportunities um listeners uh especially if you are in or near london you will
                                         
                                         soon have the opportunity to trade uh some money with a venue in order to see my comedy show.
                                         
                                         This sounds like one of my opening stories for the bonus part.
                                         
                                         That's the kind of level of struggle
                                         
                                         was like me doing an opening story for the bonus part.
                                         
                                         That sort of stilted metaphor construction.
                                         
                                         Yes, that's right, Phil.
                                         
    
                                         Soho Theatre run of my edinburgh fringe show why
                                         
                                         can't i just enjoy things is gonna be announced not today because we're recording on tuesday the
                                         
                                         18th of october but on the day of release the day you're hearing this listeners wednesday
                                         
                                         the 19th it's going on sale and it is from the 30th of january next year all the way to the
                                         
                                         4th of February if that's the Saturday
                                         
                                         he said looking at his diary
                                         
                                         excellent
                                         
                                         it is 30th of
                                         
    
                                         January 2023 to the
                                         
                                         4th of February 2023
                                         
                                         Soho Theatre
                                         
                                         7.30pm be there
                                         
                                         or be not there
                                         
                                         in the deep
                                         
                                         late winter
                                         
                                         in the bleak
                                         
    
                                         midwinter
                                         
                                         that's right
                                         
                                         that's exactly it
                                         
                                         laughing at Pierre
                                         
                                         laughing at Pierre
                                         
                                         laughing at Pierre
                                         
                                         laughing at Pierre
                                         
                                         laughing at Pierre
                                         
    
                                         his
                                         
                                         his
                                         
                                         blazer of deepest crimson chin covered in hair
                                         
                                         there we go uh that's gonna be yes yes the vibe people cut in huge coats bent double under the
                                         
                                         weight of inflation and cost of living crisis shuffling into Soho Theatre basement
                                         
                                         for an hour of
                                         
                                         hashtag laughs
                                         
                                         yeah wearing
                                         
    
                                         sort of grey coats and flat caps
                                         
                                         yeah that's
                                         
                                         the toes poking out of the shoes
                                         
                                         yeah a Soviet bread queue
                                         
                                         or a
                                         
                                         what's the guy who does the
                                         
                                         northern guy who does the paintings
                                         
                                         Lowry painting
                                         
    
                                         thank you
                                         
                                         Lowry painting yes yes yes yes
                                         
                                         I'm not sure
                                         
                                         if you can't make it or if the tickets are too expensive
                                         
                                         and they might well be to be more serious about cost of living I suppose
                                         
                                         it will be online at some point.
                                         
                                         That is the plan.
                                         
                                         We're sorting that out.
                                         
    
                                         It might go on a tour.
                                         
                                         But if you can afford it, it doesn't get better than life.
                                         
                                         It's great to be in that room.
                                         
                                         You got to be in that room feeling them hot, hot laughter breaths on your neck.
                                         
                                         You know?
                                         
                                         Absolutely.
                                         
                                         I'm just seeing if I can find...
                                         
                                         Yes, okay.
                                         
    
                                         Depending on what day of the week you go, the tickets
                                         
                                         are sort of on average 15 quid,
                                         
                                         which isn't too crazy at all.
                                         
                                         That's fine.
                                         
                                         I think that's very reasonable.
                                         
                                         I think it's reasonable.
                                         
                                         It's hard, isn't it, to know what to chargeil that's this is the thing that john robbins was speaking about very well on
                                         
                                         the rahalist of her podcast the other day um oh yeah what did you say well just the fact that um
                                         
    
                                         you know especially at the fringe as part of the kind of big arms race comedians are charging less
                                         
                                         and less and less whereas you know comedians fees haven't really risen since the 2004 so in reality a lot
                                         
                                         of shows out there that are costing a fiver should cost a tenner and that they're costing a tenner
                                         
                                         should cost 70 and so on and so forth um yeah i believe i believe it's called a race to the bottom
                                         
                                         which is not as sexy as it sounds but yeah i mean that's you know inflation is universal things cost more the petrol in the car
                                         
                                         costs more to get to the gig the food at the service station on the way back from the gig
                                         
                                         costs more red noses big honky noses you know know, those aren't free. Squirting flowers. Of course, Ukraine may produce 60% of novelty spinning bow ties in the world.
                                         
                                         I like the idea of, you know how in the Soviet Union they had towns that just did one thing?
                                         
    
                                         Ah, yeah.
                                         
                                         So they'd have like an entire city somewhere in the middle of nowhere in russia that
                                         
                                         just made tires um yeah i like the idea of one of those but for like and it'd be called like
                                         
                                         cravat grad or something like that it's called uh or the bow tie one yeah tai grad yeah or like or like chelnyabinsk cravat works yeah yeah yeah and it would everyone in the
                                         
                                         town would work at the cravat works or or yeah or join the army or be sent to do a phd in sort
                                         
                                         of chemistry somewhere somewhere in the in the ussr yeah well this is it so phil you've been
                                         
                                         what's what's leapt out of you you've across this thing. Trust and and the economics as bad as at least as much as I've been obsessively across Ukraine like a like a maniac. So what's the what's the big headline? Did you find anything that made you go? Oh, my God. Was there anything like that sort of dinner party trivia?
                                         
                                         trivia well i mean dinner party trivia i'm probably not across it as much as you are across ukraine just because you are across ukraine so uh so much yes to the detriment of everything else
                                         
    
                                         yeah well i mean just the the sort of the mad confidence of presenting a budget without
                                         
                                         passing it by the
                                         
                                         Office for Budget Responsibility, which always
                                         
                                         who basically are the
                                         
                                         mathematicians who type it up and see
                                         
                                         if it makes sense mathematically.
                                         
                                         You know, quasi-quoting
                                         
                                         and Liz Rush just went, nah, we won't
                                         
    
                                         do that. We trust our
                                         
                                         own maths.
                                         
                                         And they presented it and the entire market went,
                                         
                                         you haven't done your maths!
                                         
                                         And everything became expensive.
                                         
                                         I mean, that's...
                                         
                                         What's so interesting to me is how much two morons can cost everyone.
                                         
                                         I mean, they've cost...
                                         
    
                                         Even now with the appointment of Jeremy Hunt,
                                         
                                         and markets have stabilized a bit, and interest rates have gone down a bit,
                                         
                                         they're still higher than before.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         The mini budget.
                                         
                                         And that will cost people, millions of people, thousands of pounds a year.
                                         
                                         And it's completely avoidable.
                                         
                                         I mean, it's Brexit in a nutshell.
                                         
    
                                         A completely avoidable kick in your own balls.
                                         
                                         It's just, it defies defies logic and also i
                                         
                                         didn't realize just how much of what things cost based on how much markets and traders trust the
                                         
                                         uk as a country and as an institution because they now know the uk is a place where something
                                         
                                         mad like this can happen.
                                         
                                         It's going to cost more to borrow money because we're just a less trustworthy country.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And it's fascinating to me that to be untrustworthy is expensive.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, that sounds like that's a good, that's a good, it's expensive to be untrustworthy.
                                         
                                         That's a nice little phrase yeah and we've cost our we've
                                         
                                         this trust in quasi-carting have cost us all thousands of pounds by being thick yeah and
                                         
                                         the traders so traders in in london are calling the the difference now between
                                         
                                         between um the difference in cost of borrowing now between now and since before the mini budget
                                         
                                         the city is already calling it the moron premium really yeah they're calling it the moron
                                         
                                         phil unless your name is arthur moron you don't want anything named that after your
                                         
                                         behavior or ideas yeah that is amazing yeah yeah it's a it's sort of um
                                         
    
                                         there's a there's a thing called the the great man theory of history which is sort of semi
                                         
                                         discredited now or it's not fashionable anymore um and that idea was that like
                                         
                                         crazy great charismatic individuals are what drive history e.g napoleon hitler etc um sure
                                         
                                         whereas now it's more like charlemagne yeah yeah whereas now it's more about like factors and like
                                         
                                         weather and like looking at things in a much more holistic way events events context trends both
                                         
                                         long and short term but in terms of suddenly shitting an enormous bed full points to to to the big to the
                                         
                                         great man of history theory for trust and quieting it like you say two really stupid people at crucial
                                         
                                         positions could just go and just fucking throw throw a tray of glasses on the floor, just completely...
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, totally.
                                         
                                         I'm so impressed by the vandalism of it.
                                         
                                         Yeah, the vandalism,
                                         
                                         and they were allowed to do it,
                                         
                                         or able to do this.
                                         
                                         And the other extraordinary thing is,
                                         
                                         the conservative party just went,
                                         
                                         okay, we have to
                                         
    
                                         get jeremy hunt to do this because he's the only adult who can handle this and as i has pointed
                                         
                                         out that it's essentially the move of a technocracy to go who is the person who can actually do this
                                         
                                         okay you're gonna have to do it even though you haven't been you know you don't actually have you
                                         
                                         don't have a mandate but you have to go and do it because you're the only one you can do this quasi-quantum and list trust is
                                         
                                         so shit they've turned britain into a technocracy by necessity yeah they everyone's had to everyone's
                                         
                                         finally had to ring dad yeah and yeah and oh yeah that's the other thing jeremy hunt was you know
                                         
                                         was meant to announce the U-turn
                                         
                                         at the House of Commons yesterday.
                                         
    
                                         But they were so nervous about Britain's financial state
                                         
                                         that he had to call Lindsay Hoyle
                                         
                                         and ask him if he could break the rules
                                         
                                         and announce it that morning.
                                         
                                         Because even a few more hours
                                         
                                         of not announcing the U-turn
                                         
                                         could have, you know, destroyed everyone's pensions.
                                         
                                         Oh my God.
                                         
    
                                         They had to bring it back like four hours early.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It's mad.
                                         
                                         It's really,
                                         
                                         really,
                                         
                                         really mad.
                                         
                                         And it's completely unprecedented.
                                         
                                         You know,
                                         
    
                                         it's just pretty wild stuff.
                                         
                                         I just can't get,
                                         
                                         love it.
                                         
                                         I just can't get the image out of my head of someone just being handed a vase and immediately
                                         
                                         yeeting it into the floor.
                                         
                                         That's just all I can picture.
                                         
                                         Just, okay. Now you hold this oh thanks smashed without even thinking just amazing to do it in two weeks two or three weeks yeah just just oh you know there's a level
                                         
                                         of like vandalism and and idiocy that is kind of breathtaking and impressive.
                                         
    
                                         It almost becomes art.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Almost, yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I mean, like, terrorists could not have done a more damaging job.
                                         
                                         You know what I mean?
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, maybe it's all a heist.
                                         
                                         It's like the taking of Pelham 123,
                                         
                                         and it's all kind of connected with the stock market and stuff.
                                         
                                         It just looks like mad vandalism, but actually there's some kind of...
                                         
                                         At this point, I wish Liz Truss was smart enough to be behind something like that.
                                         
                                         Maybe... That's the other thing, astonishing thing.
                                         
                                         I don't think Liz Truss is a bad person.
                                         
                                         I think she's fucking thick.
                                         
    
                                         I think she genuinely thought it was going to help.
                                         
                                         That's the most tragic thing about this.
                                         
                                         Well, no, it's not the most tragic thing,
                                         
                                         but it's an extraordinary thing.
                                         
                                         It's like Kwasi Kwarteng's apparently very good book
                                         
                                         on the history of the British Empire and stuff
                                         
                                         and all his qualifications, but still he just walked in and just went and just pressed the big button
                                         
                                         immediately yeah he just yeah maybe it's a case for well you you make a good point of they've
                                         
    
                                         only ever been in power quasi-quarting in this dress so they don't think they needed to pass it
                                         
                                         pass their ideas past anyone yeah untouchable and they're both quite seem to be quite sort of smug people if you look at the the insane way that they deliver
                                         
                                         speeches um do you think then there'll be like a kind of usual suspects moment where like trust
                                         
                                         walks away after having been kicked out of being prime minister and slowly sort of stops rambling
                                         
                                         about pork and this cheese mac it's a disgrace and suddenly it's just like this really sort of stops rambling about pork and this cheese mac it's a disgrace and suddenly it's just like
                                         
                                         this really sort of crisply spoken really kind of like she's lost all the alertness in her eyes
                                         
                                         she's got she's very much like a shell of a person now and fair enough if you shit the bed that
                                         
                                         dramatically um yeah yeah i mean gosh what the hell is she going to do after this?
                                         
    
                                         Because she can't even... Who's even going to have her do after-dinner speeches?
                                         
                                         Who the fuck is going to ask her to do it?
                                         
                                         She can't speak, and she has no good stories,
                                         
                                         and she's just embarrassing.
                                         
                                         To be fair...
                                         
                                         You know what I mean?
                                         
                                         To be fair, I would definitely charge £90 a head or whatever
                                         
                                         at some massive ballroom,
                                         
    
                                         turned into a dining room, just to hear the story of how she fucked it all up and what it was like yeah i guess that'd be quite fun and especially
                                         
                                         if it's at like the um the wiltshire cheese awards that'd be fun yeah they get they get
                                         
                                         the cheese lady to almost like a meme like for the banter
                                         
                                         they they get the cheese lady to come to a speech at the cheese awards yeah yeah yeah
                                         
                                         yeah exactly the cheese awards or like there's some kind of pig judging contest and then
                                         
                                         or what if like i mean who she benefits she's crashed everybody's pensions, so I guess she's benefited, you know,
                                         
                                         people who repossess houses and old folks' homes.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         So they might love her.
                                         
                                         Well, maybe she'd become an unlikely hero of a first-time buyer
                                         
                                         if she crashes house prices.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, she's doing, like, freshers' weeks and stuff.
                                         
                                         Everyone's like, whoo!
                                         
                                         Just delighted with her.
                                         
                                         Because she basically just went and destroyed the wealth of anyone over 65.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, man.
                                         
                                         Here's a question.
                                         
                                         Because you and I were hanging out when we saw that Kwasi Kwarteng had to leave an IMF meeting in America early.
                                         
                                         He was being told off and he had to
                                         
                                         leave his own telling off early to get fired.
                                         
                                         And everyone was tracking his
                                         
                                         flight.
                                         
                                         Like he'd been called to the principal's office.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, exactly. The international principal's
                                         
                                         office. The IPO.
                                         
                                         That's what an ipo is the international principal's office and then you get international detention at the hague
                                         
                                         but then i mean yesterday listraslick actually been called the principal's office did you see
                                         
                                         penny mordant had to had to take kirsten's emergency questions at the house of
                                         
                                         commons yes yes yes yes splashes had to had to step up and splash she did the diving show the
                                         
                                         reality show splash and she no yeah yeah did she yeah she's was that the one where celebrities have
                                         
                                         to go down like go diving yeah and sort and Tom Daley or someone sort of goes,
                                         
    
                                         oh, good dive, but do more somersaults next time.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         I don't really know how diving works.
                                         
                                         No way.
                                         
                                         Here she is.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Oh, my Lord.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Why?
                                         
                                         Why would you do this?
                                         
                                         Very strange.
                                         
                                         I think it was after Nadine Dorries broke the law to go beyond I'm a celebrity.
                                         
                                         That's correct.
                                         
                                         Because what a dumb idea. Why would you
                                         
                                         do this? Very dumb. Very strange.
                                         
    
                                         Oh my god, here she is in like
                                         
                                         a one piece, like
                                         
                                         about to dive off a diving board
                                         
                                         with wet hair
                                         
                                         and then next to
                                         
                                         official parliament photos of
                                         
                                         her looking serious in a suit.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's very circusy. She was good though.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, when she, you know, listening to her speak instead of list trust like oh wow okay this oh yeah i forgot this
                                         
                                         how politicians are meant to speak and she's quite quick and she's quite witty yeah and she's she's
                                         
                                         more socially liberal than the conservatives because i believe her brother is gay and then
                                         
                                         that was like some issue early on or she had to retract something i don't know anyway she's not like full
                                         
                                         on re-smog evil is the point in at least not no background and i was thinking if she if she becomes
                                         
                                         a pm it's you'll make things a little harder for for later it'll be a problem yeah it'll be a
                                         
                                         problem yeah um but okay so here's my question phil you're on a you're on a transatlantic flight
                                         
                                         which is what? Eight hours?
                                         
    
                                         To New York, yeah. It's about eight hours.
                                         
                                         Let's say, eight-hour flight.
                                         
                                         You're flying home from a telling-off to an even bigger telling-off.
                                         
                                         Who's telling him off in New York?
                                         
                                         IMF.
                                         
                                         The IMF are talking to him
                                         
                                         like he's fucking Zimbabwe's foreign minister
                                         
                                         or something.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, very embarrassing. the IMF are talking to him like he's fucking Zimbabwe's foreign minister or something. Jesus.
                                         
                                         Yeah, very embarrassing.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So, here's the deal, Phil.
                                         
                                         You're on a flight, eight hours.
                                         
                                         You're flying from one telling off to a much, much worse telling off.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         What do you do on the flight?
                                         
                                         Pray that there isn't in-flight Wi-Fi.
                                         
                                         Pray that you can't connect.
                                         
                                         That's what I'd want.
                                         
                                         But you know that there are people, like with Kwasi Kwarteng,
                                         
                                         tracking your flight, tracking your telling off.
                                         
                                         I'd probably read a book.
                                         
                                         What book could you possibly focus on in these terrible circumstances
                                         
    
                                         the subtle art of not giving a fuck
                                         
                                         because I suppose you'd need to
                                         
                                         it would have to be one of those
                                         
                                         airpod books where there's
                                         
                                         an asterisked out fuck in it
                                         
                                         you know
                                         
                                         yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Maybe that's his retirement gig is writing.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, he's already a published writer.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Maybe that's his gig is he writes a book where it's like,
                                         
                                         what would the angle be?
                                         
                                         The angle would be,
                                         
                                         I tried to do proper Reaganomics
                                         
                                         and look who stopped me.
                                         
                                         Like that would be the angle.
                                         
    
                                         It only didn't work because you didn't do
                                         
                                         what I said. You all just panicked.
                                         
                                         That's how I would sell it.
                                         
                                         I wonder if you would bring up
                                         
                                         the... You know what would be
                                         
                                         a good Greek myth to bring up would
                                         
                                         be... I can never remember the name
                                         
                                         of the person.
                                         
    
                                         She's a goddess in disguise
                                         
                                         as a maid or a nanny
                                         
                                         in this rich person's house
                                         
                                         and
                                         
                                         she really
                                         
                                         comes to love the baby son that
                                         
                                         she's been tasked to look after
                                         
                                         and when the parents are away
                                         
    
                                         one day she places
                                         
                                         the baby in a magic fire
                                         
                                         that she's built to make the baby
                                         
                                         immortal
                                         
                                         but in the middle of the process the mother
                                         
                                         bursts in and goes what the hell are you doing and grabs the baby pulls the baby out of the fire
                                         
                                         and the god in disguise as a maid is like you fool he would have been immortal he would have
                                         
                                         been a god amongst men and you've cost him that and then she punishes the mother. And the story of the myth is,
                                         
    
                                         if a maid has put your baby in a fire,
                                         
                                         just see what happens, I guess.
                                         
                                         But I reckon...
                                         
                                         I mean, it's an unreasonable lesson.
                                         
                                         It's a completely useless and unreasonable story.
                                         
                                         It really is.
                                         
                                         And I think I've remembered it because even as a kid,
                                         
                                         I was like, that's unreasonable.
                                         
    
                                         That's really unreasonable.
                                         
                                         Like the kid's going to be like, oh, mom, look what you've done.
                                         
                                         I could have been in a fire.
                                         
                                         But I reckon Quasi Cotton can bring up that myth.
                                         
                                         He placed the British economy in a fire
                                         
                                         that would have made it stronger,
                                         
                                         but the markets burst in and said,
                                         
                                         what are you doing?
                                         
    
                                         And it cost Britain immortality and strength.
                                         
                                         That's what I would do if I were him.
                                         
                                         Because Greek myths are in right now.
                                         
                                         Greek myths are in right now.
                                         
                                         That's true there's
                                         
                                         a lot of sort of what what troy can teach us about um about pensions or whatever
                                         
                                         greek myth baby fire i need to know that's literally what i'm typing in
                                         
                                         oh dimitar dimitar dimitar dimitar yeah Demeter. Demeter. Demeter, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Okay, it wasn't the mother.
                                         
                                         It was the maid who was looking after the child.
                                         
                                         Every night Demeter burned the child over the fire,
                                         
                                         stripping him of his mortal flesh to make him immortal.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It's good stuff. Okay, so they sort of toughened him up with with fire yeah i mean what's the most generous reading of that myth what is what is a real useful life lesson you can take from that
                                         
                                         that no pain no gain i guess essentially that's what that's what it is right I guess um if you see someone
                                         
    
                                         putting a baby in a fire just vibe it out yeah you might not have the whole story
                                         
                                         just yeah just stop and go but what is the reason for the baby in the fire maybe there's a reason. Maybe it's like a meta lesson,
                                         
                                         which is that very powerful beings
                                         
                                         have absolutely no empathy
                                         
                                         for how fucking insane they seem.
                                         
                                         Yeah, that's good.
                                         
                                         That's good.
                                         
                                         The gods are unreasonable.
                                         
    
                                         That seems to be the macro lesson
                                         
                                         of every one of these myths.
                                         
                                         Maybe the lesson is
                                         
                                         that intention is not always more important than execution.
                                         
                                         Maybe it is that intention is not enough on its own.
                                         
                                         Maybe that's it.
                                         
                                         Yes, that's good.
                                         
                                         The lesson is always get the parent's permission.
                                         
    
                                         Always get a signed permission slip before you put a child in a fire.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         This is just the Greek version of make sure to get the consent of the bill payer in your home before you enter this contest.
                                         
                                         We should read some correspondence.
                                         
                                         We should correspond.
                                         
                                         We should dip the correspondence in fire
                                         
                                         and see if that makes it even stronger.
                                         
                                         Read them out on the podcast,
                                         
    
                                         thus making them immortal.
                                         
                                         Yes, that's true.
                                         
                                         Not bad.
                                         
                                         Do you think podcasts will be of interest to future archaeologists
                                         
                                         absolutely i reckon they will use bud pod to piece together the history of the 21st century
                                         
                                         more than books or newspapers yeah i think you're right and also our kind of
                                         
                                         our kind of semi-thorough summary of current affairs
                                         
                                         will be sort of good for social history.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, exactly.
                                         
                                         Semi-thorough is, I think, a very apt description of at least my research process.
                                         
                                         Of what we're up to.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         To letters, emails, phone calls, to your desk, your sister, Letters. Emails. Phone. Toilets. Your sister.
                                         
                                         Keep a straight eye.
                                         
                                         To keep a straight eye.
                                         
                                         Letters.
                                         
    
                                         Correspondence.
                                         
                                         Um, let's see.
                                         
                                         I'm trying to remember the last one I read.
                                         
                                         What was the last one I read?
                                         
                                         Uh, Kim.
                                         
                                         Kim gets in touch. Kim kim reading your correspondence on a whim
                                         
                                         so kim says hello buddies hello uh kim says while listening to phil on the how to fail podcast i
                                         
                                         googled him to follow up some interesting tidbit he'd thrown out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, do listen to that with Elizabeth Day.
                                         
    
                                         Excellent podcast.
                                         
                                         How to fail.
                                         
                                         How do I fail, Phil?
                                         
                                         I wasn't very much help, actually, Pierre, because I've never failed.
                                         
                                         So I had...
                                         
                                         No, that's kidding.
                                         
                                         I'm kidding.
                                         
                                         I had three failures to lay out, and we spoke about them all in excruciating detail
                                         
    
                                         to do this
                                         
                                         I imagine it'll be the podcast
                                         
                                         for Liz Truss and Quasi-Quoting
                                         
                                         I think
                                         
                                         they'll be the first guests to require
                                         
                                         a full series
                                         
                                         just to themselves
                                         
                                         I stumbled
                                         
    
                                         so Kim's trying to google some tidbit about you Phil
                                         
                                         and she stumbled across
                                         
                                         a mad bio of Phil
                                         
                                         on a website that surely must have been written by a robot
                                         
                                         it's like a mad algorithmic experiment in journalism
                                         
                                         okay
                                         
                                         this is what will happen to everything
                                         
                                         if we don't donate to Wikipedia
                                         
    
                                         interesting
                                         
                                         like an AI
                                         
                                         because there are I think there's a website that makes to Wikipedia. Interesting. Like an AI...
                                         
                                         I think there's a website that makes these weird AI
                                         
                                         bios of celebs, quote unquote.
                                         
                                         Yes, well,
                                         
                                         one of them's been done to you,
                                         
                                         Phil, and I've got it here. Do you want to hear some information
                                         
    
                                         about you? Okay.
                                         
                                         I'm nervous. The website is
                                         
                                         Hollywood's Magazine
                                         
                                         Okay
                                         
                                         That sounds so fake
                                         
                                         Okay so here's the deal
                                         
                                         When a letter that doesn't need to be capitalized
                                         
                                         Is capitalized
                                         
    
                                         I will pronounce it in a more formal way
                                         
                                         Okay
                                         
                                         So
                                         
                                         Very few people knows about comedian celebrity Phil Wang Oh come on Not very few people knows about comedian celebrity phil wang oh come on not very few
                                         
                                         come on what i how can i be on hollywood's hollywoods.com what's it called hollywood's
                                         
                                         magazine how can i be in holly the hollywood's magazine and not many people know about me. Surely if I'm in the Hollywood's Magazine,
                                         
                                         then I am famous Hollywood's man.
                                         
                                         I can't believe you're getting negged by a robot.
                                         
    
                                         I can't believe this.
                                         
                                         I'm getting owned by AI.
                                         
                                         I knew it would happen, but not like this.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Very few people knows about comedian celebrity, Phil Wang.
                                         
                                         Come on.
                                         
                                         That's the headline. How can I be a celebrity then? Well, this is it. Very few people knows about comedian celebrity Phil Wang. Come on.
                                         
                                         That's the headline.
                                         
    
                                         How can I be a celebrity then?
                                         
                                         Well, this is it.
                                         
                                         So it says, Phil Wang is of London heritage.
                                         
                                         Not strictly true.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         Well, not true at all.
                                         
                                         But he's also of Malaysian descent.
                                         
                                         That's pretty accurate. Okay.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Comedian stand-up who is best known as a member of the British comedy sketch show Daphne.
                                         
                                         Right. You're a comedian stand-up. I'm a comedian stand-up who is best known as a member of the British comedy sketch show Daphne. Right.
                                         
                                         You're a comedian stand-up.
                                         
                                         I'm a comedian stand-up.
                                         
                                         According to Phil Wang Wiki,
                                         
                                         we'll just go look at that then.
                                         
                                         According to Phil Wang Wiki,
                                         
    
                                         he received both the 2010 Trottle Student Comedian of the Year Award
                                         
                                         and the 2011 Funniest Student Award by Comedy Central.
                                         
                                         Correct.
                                         
                                         I was an incredibly funny student.
                                         
                                         Of all the students, you were the funniest.
                                         
                                         I was the funniest student in the country two years running.
                                         
                                         And the amazing thing was, if you knew me at the time,
                                         
                                         that would have been a shock.
                                         
    
                                         It's because you saved it all for the stage.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I was the funniest student in the UK for two years.
                                         
                                         I forget that sometimes.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You could go to any university in the UK
                                         
                                         and you would not be able to find a single student.
                                         
                                         Not even funnier than me, but as funny as me.
                                         
    
                                         You could scout the campuses. Yep. To your heart's content, day and funny as me. You can scout the campuses.
                                         
                                         Yep.
                                         
                                         To your heart's content, day and night,
                                         
                                         you wouldn't find anyone.
                                         
                                         This is it.
                                         
                                         And it says, next thing, he is not a billionaire.
                                         
                                         Another lie.
                                         
                                         It says, he is not a billionaire,
                                         
    
                                         but Phil Wang net worth is not less than one million. Phil Wang net worth is not less than one million.
                                         
                                         Phil Wang net worth is not less than one million.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so they're playing a little game there where they're going, well, he's not a billionaire, but he can't not be a millionaire.
                                         
                                         That's their guess.
                                         
                                         For once, I find myself wishing what was in the Hollywood magazine was true.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         what was in the Hollywood's magazine was true.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         A lot of this is actually...
                                         
                                         A lot of this might have been improved since Kim sent us the email.
                                         
                                         I think it's been copy and pasted from...
                                         
                                         Yes, it's been copy and pasted
                                         
                                         from stuff that is actually good.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         In places like the Rob Brydon show,
                                         
                                         comedy up late in Have I Got News For You
                                         
    
                                         and About Tonight,
                                         
                                         he also appeared.
                                         
                                         Those, I mean, aside from Have I Got News For You,
                                         
                                         those are some pretty obscure credits.
                                         
                                         The couple of shows I'm like, what?
                                         
                                         Oh yeah, I guess.
                                         
                                         Oh yeah.
                                         
                                         Phil is one of the famous and trendy face that is popular in other parts of the world that's true that's very correct
                                         
    
                                         and that's the kind of quality reporting that i've come to expect from hollywood's magazine
                                         
                                         yeah well you've always been one of the famous and trendy face in my opinion thank you
                                         
                                         as it says is popular in other parts of the
                                         
                                         world as well as being a comedian not in the uk that's right sometimes i am not in the uk which
                                         
                                         makes me a comedian not in the uk so they've nicked some more quotes for you from other stuff so here's a funny thing phil wang the the subtitles throughout the like like little
                                         
                                         under titles throughout the article whatever you call them subs perfect career at age 30 there you
                                         
                                         go perfect career at age 30 i think these are journey are these related articles no no these
                                         
                                         are like you know like bigger titles spread throughout the text.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, I see, I see, I see, I see.
                                         
                                         Yes, yes, yes, yes.
                                         
                                         Phil Wang Journey, 2017 to 2020.
                                         
                                         What an utterly bizarre website and article.
                                         
                                         It's really odd.
                                         
                                         And there's lots of incredibly strange little adverts.
                                         
                                         I wonder if it's like an AI sort of experiment.
                                         
                                         Well, it's just to harvest ad revenue views
                                         
    
                                         by just kind of like you create a bot
                                         
                                         that kind of kidnaps bits of text from other websites.
                                         
                                         By the way, have you seen this new like AI
                                         
                                         kind of Photoshop essentially?
                                         
                                         Yes, yes.
                                         
                                         You just rub out what you want to replace and you type in
                                         
                                         a description of what to replace it with like you rub out a butterfly and you and then you replace
                                         
                                         it with bee eating some pollen and then the ai will just replace it with a bee eating some pollen
                                         
    
                                         in the same style as as a butterfly that was there and it will just look like it's mad oh that's insane
                                         
                                         it's fucking crackers that is insane um well phil here this is the most um important thing here how
                                         
                                         much is he earning and what is the phil wang net worth the phil wang net worth yeah so that's the subheading that's the word i was looking for
                                         
                                         subheading so it opens with wang is not like other asian tech hunts asian tech hunts okay
                                         
                                         it's true i'm not like them at all no wang is not it goes on wang is not like other
                                         
                                         asian tech hunts who earns a lot of money and keep on earning more and more like gold digger
                                         
                                         well isn't the whole thing that gold diggers don't earn their money
                                         
                                         yeah this is unfair to gold diggers and asian tech hunts maybe they mean a literal gold digger
                                         
    
                                         someone who digs for gold they do keep earning a lot of money if they find it on the floor
                                         
                                         wang is not like other asian tech hunts who earns a lot of money and keep on earning more and more
                                         
                                         like gold digger not like that he brought up himself as a famous face in stand-up comedy
                                         
                                         as we already read from phil wang wiki that's true i did bring up myself yeah he brought up
                                         
                                         himself and it does say as we already read from phil wang wiki something which i regularly do
                                         
                                         at dinner parties bring up myself you like to tap on the glass with a knife don't you ding ding ding and say
                                         
                                         i'm not like other asian tech hunts if i can just bring up myself for a little while here
                                         
                                         i'm not like other asian tech hunts you may have noticed not that not the ones who earns lots of
                                         
    
                                         money over more and more like gold digger or on the dinner, people are shaking their heads quietly like, yeah, he's right. Yeah, it's not like that.
                                         
                                         He was famous in UK for the first few months, but the popularity increases.
                                         
                                         He went on Rise and signed different shows.
                                         
                                         The first few months of when?
                                         
                                         Which first few months?
                                         
                                         Of life.
                                         
                                         He was famous in UK for the first few months,
                                         
                                         but the popularity increases. He went on Rise and signed different shows.
                                         
    
                                         But the popularity increases.
                                         
                                         This is so funny.
                                         
                                         Phil Wang net worth is not on millions,
                                         
                                         but somehow maintains the double digit
                                         
                                         I make
                                         
                                         That's true
                                         
                                         I make tens of pounds
                                         
                                         Yes
                                         
    
                                         So the full sentence is
                                         
                                         Phil Wang net worth is not on millions
                                         
                                         But somehow maintains the double digit
                                         
                                         From his successful career at UK
                                         
                                         That's where you work successful career at UK.
                                         
                                         That's where you work. I work at
                                         
                                         UK.
                                         
                                         I work at the UK.
                                         
    
                                         We
                                         
                                         can say, as per today,
                                         
                                         right?
                                         
                                         Oh yeah, big reveal.
                                         
                                         We can say,
                                         
                                         as per today,
                                         
                                         he has maintained a luxury house, branded vehicles, and also walked to several tours.
                                         
                                         No, it doesn't say that.
                                         
    
                                         I've walked to several tours.
                                         
                                         As in my own tours.
                                         
                                         I've walked my tours of the UK.
                                         
                                         Yeah, like some sort of Eddie Izzard stunt.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I don't...
                                         
                                         I like my branded cars, but I don't drive them.
                                         
                                         I walk to my tours.
                                         
                                         I just like to look at the branded cars.
                                         
    
                                         What is a branded car?
                                         
                                         All cars have a brand.
                                         
                                         No one's buying a blank, a plain car, please.
                                         
                                         Well, you know, sometimes you go to Tesco's
                                         
                                         and you just get the own brand car
                                         
                                         that doesn't have any...
                                         
                                         Oh, Tesco value car?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Sainsbury's Basics car.
                                         
                                         That's true.
                                         
                                         We can say,
                                         
                                         as per today,
                                         
                                         he has maintained a luxury house,
                                         
                                         branded vehicles,
                                         
                                         and also walked to several tours.
                                         
    
                                         he has maintained a luxury house branded vehicles and also walked to several tours wang must earned at least two million dollars as we can see on his instagram post i thought
                                         
                                         it was double digits and what instagram post i don't post i've never posted saying i've earned
                                         
                                         at least two million dollars what an insane thing to post please post that that would be such a weird
                                         
                                         funny thing to post just a video of'd be such a weird funny thing to post
                                         
                                         just a video of you saying i've earned at least two million dollars and that's the whole video
                                         
                                         that would be the most honest instagram post in the world um i like how now they're trying to
                                         
                                         talk about like um talk about you in a kind of like uh way, we love him. You know, that kind of tone.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         So the end of this is there. So it goes,
                                         
                                         whatever the Phil Wang net worth is,
                                         
                                         he till loves to play video games.
                                         
                                         Hey, that's kind of correct.
                                         
                                         I do till.
                                         
                                         I do till like video games.
                                         
                                         And then it says, he finds
                                         
                                         some better thing to do on his ideal
                                         
    
                                         time.
                                         
                                         Sometimes.
                                         
                                         And, you know,
                                         
                                         they talk about your material.
                                         
                                         Phil never focused on stupid issues
                                         
                                         which could distract anyone's mind into anger.
                                         
                                         He never did that.
                                         
                                         I like that.
                                         
    
                                         That is such a nice description of offense what is offense
                                         
                                         it's it's to distract someone's mind into anger yeah that's nice isn't it i quite like that so
                                         
                                         yeah phil never focused on stupid issues which could distract anyone's mind into anger
                                         
                                         he just keep on going what is better for his career?
                                         
                                         No stupid issues at mind. That's basically the end of the article.
                                         
                                         That's amazing.
                                         
                                         If you scroll down, it's just,
                                         
                                         a doctor from London shared how to remove a hanging belly.
                                         
    
                                         Pour salt down your drain at night.
                                         
                                         Here's why.
                                         
                                         These two vegetables will kill your belly and arm fat overnight.
                                         
                                         These adverts love the word belly.
                                         
                                         These sound like dangerous vegetables.
                                         
                                         In one night?
                                         
                                         Also, the implication there is if you're a fan of Phil Wang,
                                         
                                         you've got some belly fat to shed.
                                         
    
                                         And arm.
                                         
                                         And arm.
                                         
                                         And arm fat.
                                         
                                         And your drains are fucked.
                                         
                                         Yeah, they're full of not salt,
                                         
                                         which is the last thing you want, according to this ad.
                                         
                                         It's full of tasteless pipe muck.
                                         
                                         There's nothing tasty in that water at all.
                                         
    
                                         Add some flavour to it.
                                         
                                         Add some mould and... Tasteless pipe muck is very funny.
                                         
                                         He doesn't speak about tasteless pipe muck on the stage.
                                         
                                         Phil Wang has several walking tours
                                         
                                         and his net worth is on the million.
                                         
                                         That was very good.
                                         
                                         I like that a lot.
                                         
                                         What's the name of the pod voter who sent that in?
                                         
    
                                         Kim.
                                         
                                         Kim.
                                         
                                         Well, that's right.
                                         
                                         Thanks, Kim.
                                         
                                         A win from Kim.
                                         
                                         Really appreciate that.
                                         
                                         A win from Kim.
                                         
                                         Thank you very much, Kim.
                                         
    
                                         That was very funny.
                                         
                                         If you want to know how
                                         
                                         to eat vegetables that destroy hanging belly just come see me at the soho theater in january
                                         
                                         yes do go see pierre at the soho theater in january it's such a stupendous show
                                         
                                         i love it love it love it i'll probably see you there
                                         
                                         he doesn't talk about any stupid issues at
                                         
                                         all throughout the show no and not once did i feel distracted into anger not exactly yeah exactly
                                         
                                         thank you um um but uh we'll see you next week or if you're a patron we'll see you again this
                                         
    
                                         friday because the bonus pod now comes out on the friday to really
                                         
                                         spread out the mirth see you on that see you when you're having that hashtag friday feeling or
                                         
                                         whatever it is yes yes and best of luck to everyone i hope everyone increases their net worth this
                                         
                                         week into the double good luck with your net worth yeah yes onto the double digits
                                         
                                         everyone with the net worth good luck good luck bye bye
                                         
