BudPod with Phil Wang & Pierre Novellie - Episode 4 - Gina Martin guest special!

Episode Date: March 20, 2019

Four! A very special BudPod with our first ever guest, activist and soon-to-be author Gina Martin! We talk about how she managed to get up skirting made a criminal offence AND we all play a trio of Cool Uncool Uncool Cool, which she is spookily good at. Featuring tasters for the new albums from Some Lads On A Night Out and Some Girls On A Night Out. Don't forget to subscribe and rate us the totally normal five stars on iTunes! Get in touch at [e-mail] or @thebudpod on twitter Get bonus BudPod on Patreon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You're literally listening to us for the first time. Thank you very much for downloading. In this episode, we talk to Gina Martin. Very exciting. Our first interview on Budpod. We're talking to activist, lawmaker Gina Martin. to activist lawmaker Gina Martin. If you're not aware of her work,

she's been quite inspirational, really. Yeah. And over a long period of time, not just a big one-off. No, it's her life now. Gina has created a law? What do you call it? She has helped pass a bill. Helped pass a bill that has made upskirting the practice of photographing a person's, I don't know, body under their skirt.

Private area. Private area. That's illegal now. It wasn't illegal before. Can you imagine that? Not explicitly. So, sorry, guys. The golden days are over.

Yeah, no more being absolutely weird yeah you missed your chance you've lived through the golden age of being a public creep and you didn't even realise it you are now disgusting and thick congratulations

you're late and gross now you're going to go to jail for the thought of being disappointed she'll tell us about it she will going to go to jail. For the thought. For the thought crime of being disappointed that that doesn't Something like that. Yeah. She'll tell us about it.

She will in probably clearer terms. Yeah. Yeah. So look out for that. And remember to enjoy yourself.

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Mate, mate, mate. We're here with a campaigner, activist, would you say activist? Yeah, sure. But fundamentally, lawmaker. Yay! Gina Martin. Woohoo! So excited to have you, Gina.

Thank you so much. Oh, thanks for having me. Law giver. Yeah, that's better. Lawgiver. That's a way of saying king in the Anglo-Saxon times. Love that. Gina Lawgiver. Gina Lawgiver.

I'm going to change my name to that. That's really good. My dude poll. I mean, you're obviously au fait with the legal system. I'm sure you can change your name if nothing. You can change your law. You can change your name. That's true.

Yeah. Very, very true. For any listeners in the dark, Gina is, well, I was at your celebration drinks the other night. You were. Thanks for coming. That was fun.

Gina invited me to some celebration drinks. Gina's celebrating the passing, and you might have to correct me on the exact terminology, but the passing of the upskirting ban law. Sure.

Is that it? It was almost perfect until the end. The upskirting bill. Upskirting bill. Upskirting bill. It was almost perfect. I love it. And so now in the UK,

it is illegal to take a photo of a person's skirt. And yeah, don't worry. We're in the 21st century. That's right. There are Scottish people out there. Good point. I guess the...

I have a kilt. Yes, yes, yes. Why are you not wearing it? We should have all worn skirts for this. Well, there are a lot of men at your celebration drinks, Gina, who were wearing kilts in solidarity, weren't they? Yeah, it was so good. Loads of my friends came in kilts.

My lawyer came in and killed my best friend. Just to show that it... Also, just love that because in the media it was such a women's rights thing and obviously it definitely is because you named the problem and it is a problem with women

but also I have a lot of friends who are like non-binary and trans friends and obviously my lawyer's Scottish and that's a big thing so it was just really nice

Is it funny to hear Scottish at the end of that list? Non-binary, trans and Scottish and also Scottish Even Scottish people Yeah it was so it was amazing I feel like when you get to say the phrase my lawyer Binary, trans, and Scottish. And also Scottish, yeah. Even Scottish people. Yeah, it was so, it was amazing.

I feel like when you get to say the phrase, my lawyer, things are either going very well for you. Or terrible. Or very, very badly. I was there with my lawyer, and you go, oh, good, good lawyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel bad for him, actually, because it's been two years almost of working together. But working together is so reductive,

because it's been a massive thing like a friendship and a support system and I still go, my lawyer, and he's like, could I be upgraded to maybe friend at this point? It's been two years of working together. That's even more suspicious if you say, what's the most suspicious way around? My lawyer and friend

or my friend and lawyer The second one's way worse. And lawyer and also lawyer to be fair he is keeping me out of jail hey well yeah actually to be fair

he's done a bit of that as well so the inciting incident Gina happened two years ago now was it yeah almost it was July 2017

so I guess around 20 months and you were at a festival which festival Hyde Park I can't say it still after all this time. British Summertime.

Oh, that one. Yes. Family Festival. I'm lame, so I just know festivals from when they have tube adverts. Yeah, same. And when Bombay Bicycle Club play in. Every single festival poster has ever been has had Bombay Bicycle Club at the top. What's that about? I mean, they're great, sure, but I don't get it. I think that was the law they passed. Yeah, yeah.

They also have a law. Every festival. Yeah, that was really, it was a great festival. It was just like a day. Me and Stevie, my big sister, couldn't afford to go to anything, like anything for like two years. So we went to that one day to see the Killers, who were our favourite band when we were kids. It was probably the first festival.

It was like 30 degrees, and I was wearing a skirt because as is my want. And we were just dressed up, and it was really nice. And then these my want and we were just dressed up and it was really nice and then these guys were sort of hitting on me and then they took the photo and I saw that they'd shared it to everyone around me and I was a bit drunk so I grabbed the phone off the guy great and then we got into a fight nice and not a fight I mean you have the phone framed in your bedroom no I wish can you imagine shit phone. Or with like a nail through it, like a butterfly. Right through the screen. Yes.

Collecting phones. The collector. Oh, God. So dark. Gina Lawmaker. And collector. And collector. Yeah.

And I took the phone and I sort of did that thing in a movie where I go, what do you do to a scary man who's grabbed you? Yeah, slap him. And I just like slapped him around the face. It didn't work. It's a good starting point. Just to buy your time. Yeah.

Just to figure out the next step. Gave me time. And it's a form of attack that is contextually people are fine with it. Yes. Exactly. It's like accepted.

It's also the only sort of physical attack where any onlooker would go what did the victim do? What did the person who's getting slapped do? Is the only... Yes.

Yes. Literally the only. And we grew that actually with the whole campaign, didn't we? Yeah. It's like the nearest male-on-male equivalent is the, I don't know what it would be, shove? Like a push, maybe? Push, bar guy shove?

Because I still don't feel like, I don't want to sock someone in the face, but I never wanted to more at that moment. Totally. I could never want to, but I knew that I would have put my thumb inside my face and probably broke my hand and then be like, Oh, well, this is,

I don't mean to martial arts-plain you, but I have a black belt. Do you actually? That's insane. Phil is... Phil, unaccomplished. I've known Phil for... You're unaccomplished. Okay, all right.

All right, fine. We're two idiots who have a jug of water and a couple of mics. Yeah, you're talking to some clowns so you have to change your bar in this conversation but precisely

and close fist you keep your thumb on the outside so as you say not to crush yeah because apparently you break it right yeah yeah

I would have done that immediately I've known Phil since I was 18 and he was 19 and he's had a black belt in Shaolin that whole time

and I think I only found that out after knowing you for like three years well actually that's the sign of a good man though yeah because that's the first thing I'd say only found that out after knowing you for like three years. Well, see, that's the sign of a good man, though. Yeah. Because that's the first thing I'd say.

I'd be like, hi, I'm Black Belt. Hi, I'm Phil Black Belt Wang. Nice to meet you. This is Regina Lawmaker. I'm Phil Black Belt. And I'm Pierre Coffey. And well done today. Coffey. Now, the thing that is sort of simultaneously encouraging and oppressing is the first

the people's reaction usually when you say someone's had to um uh campaign for an upskirting ban is that upskirting wasn't illegal already yeah and so was that a surprise to you because i presume at that at that moment you presumed what these guys had just done was illegal and yeah exactly yeah so i thought i was gonna hand them because i handed in everything you could At that moment, you presumed what these guys had just done was illegal. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I thought I was going to hand them, because I handed in everything you could possibly hand in. We spend so much time being like, well, the victim should have done this, and you should have done it this way, and why didn't you do this?

And I had the photo, the phone, the guy, witnesses. It was like I couldn't have handed more in. It was like a boring CSI episode. It was. It was actually, the whole thing was quite boring. Yeah. I had everything they could have ever wanted. There was no challenge.

And they couldn't, or they didn't think they could do anything. Yeah. Transpired afterwards, they probably could have, but they were very confused on the law because it was a grey area and there's loopholes. It comes under public decency law, right? Exactly, yeah, a public nuisance order. But they wrote that law has been around for hundreds of years, so that doesn't fit with sexual assault in a digital age at all,

and they really struggled to make it fit. Anyway, yeah, so I thought they were going to be able to do something they obviously couldn't and then i went home i kind of did that thing where they went no sorry can't do anything and i went oh yeah i guess you're right then bye you know like felt like a child so i just kind of walked off because i didn't know that sort of company policy thing yes because you're the little guy always yeah so you're like well you know better than me policeman bye very british i did a little bit and that's probably enough. I did my best, bye. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So was there a moment

at which you went, actually, no, I'm going to... Yes, there really was. And there was actually two. So three days later, by chance, I was going to a festival for a job

and I was on the bus there and I got the phone call from the police and this voice at the end who could not have sounded more bored was like, hi, Gina. I was like, hey. And they were like um you know that thing that

happened at the festival I was like yes and they were like sorry there's nothing we can do case is closed now I was like really and he was like yeah thanks bye I was like okay yeah it was fascinating by that point the dust had like settled so I was like I got a phone I was like that can't be right like what yeah that's how we deal with these things. What is going on? So that made me angry. And I thought about doing something. And then I put a photo on Facebook of me and Stevie, a selfie, which instantly is the worst picture of me that's ever been taken

and has now been in every media outlet across the country. Is that why you've continued the fight to get another press shot taken of you? Exactly, yeah. That's mainly what the campaign's about. Yeah, and the guys in the background had that shot by chance before they did it because they were standing behind me. So I put that on Facebook and I sort of circled their heads

and said, well, the law, well, police can't help me. I don't think the law can help me. I think there's something going on here. I don't know what it is. Can someone just recognise these people, share it, and let's shame these guys

just to have some kind of closure and some kind of power over the situation because I was terrified that they had all these photos of me and stuff. And Facebook got in touch. It went a tiny bit viral. We're talking like 3,000 people liked it.

And Facebook contacted me and were like, can you please take that down? That's harassment. Could you put a photo of them up? And that's when I was like, okay, we have a problem. Well, Facebook said

you were harassing them. Yes. So that was the turning point, I think. And this is the same Facebook who are like, I'm afraid we have no reason to delete the

like this page if Hitler is your God. Yes, literally. Fan page. It seems like a normal fan page. They need to do more. Facebook do it like they're going out of their way to victimize their own people. I know. The opposite people.

And to seem as evil as possible. Yeah. I'd love to feed orphans, but food belongs to the king. It's an insane sheriff of Nottingham approach to everything he's mad, I mean they set up their structure and their community guidelines and all that kind of stuff and their security

when the platform started and they had no idea it was going to grow to this size and they haven't developed it at the rate that the platform's developed so there's just no protection for anyone, it's unbelievable and so that was the moment where I went okay i'm angry and i'm so bored like so unbelievably like mind numbingly bored of brushing stuff off like i'm just i was just done with brushing stuff off so that's when i thought well i'll give it a go and see what happens yeah and here we are yeah

but it it looked like from the outside at least it looked like it had become a full-time job almost. Yeah. Pushing this through. So I guess at the end of this process, do you feel more or less, I guess, confident about the legal system? Oh, that's a great question. Do you think it works or do you think that you overcame its flaws quite luckily or by a lot of effort? The second one. The second one, right.

Definitely the second one, yeah. I feel like the justice, like I have a friend, what do you call people that you really, really connect with and talk a lot over the internet with that you've never met? A digi-friend. A digi-friend. Yeah. And they are called the secret barrister. Oh, yeah, they're great. They're brilliant.

A DigiFriend. Yeah. And they are called The Secret Barrister. Oh, yeah, they're great. They're brilliant. And they've been a massive support system, and they write a lot about and talk a lot about the fact that the justice system is broken, and it's not working in the right way.

It should. And that's why I was just stoked to be able to, like, force through something and get the right people involved and get kind of, like, I guess, like, an objective team of people. Because, obviously, my lawyer is in the legal system, but he was doing this pro bono. It was like a passion project and to to kind of highlight some of those flaws and show how actually regular people can also change it it's not only up to the power structure to change it which was really nice to be able to do yeah big time but there's

that phrase um which is not necessarily about it being broken but about how long everything takes which is um the wheels of justice grind slow, but they grind exceeding fine. Oh, wow. They grind exceeding fine. Oh, that was written a while ago. What does that mean? So, like, they take a while, but the justice, which I guess in this thing is like wheat or whatever, that's how old this phrase is, they grind

it round really to a fine powder. It sounds like a barista's catchphrase. Like, every element of this will be covered. That's why it's slow. I see, I see, I see. Oh, I thought it was like exceedingly fine, like Mr. Kipling. No, no, oh no.

I mean, well, I guess as well. Sure, sure. Because it means both when it comes to lovely ground-up corn. So true. When you're making cake, you need fine wheat. Fine wheat.

Yeah, so the wheels of justice slow it, but exceeding fine. But there's also like a lot of it's out of date. There's also Martin Luther King Jr., right? That moral arm of the universe is long, but it tends towards justice. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yeah.

I love a quote. Oh, I love a quote. Gloria Steinem. Voting isn't the most we should do. It's the least. That's a good one. Russell Brand. You fucking idiot.

What if we all just danced in a field? Shut up, Russell. What about the council? Don't talk like that about Russell. I love dancing in fields. How would they fund the roads, Russell? It's Oi Oi, the newest album from some lads on a night out. Who can forget the sound of this summer?

It's £20 to get in. It's £20 to get in, you know. It's £20 to get in.'s 20 pounds to get in you know it's 20 pounds to get in I don't know who they think they are it's 20 pounds to get in I don't think it's worth it mate it's 20 pounds to get in that's more than three kebabs you know

that's 20 pounds to get in what they've already gone in that's 20 pounds to get in I guess we'll have to coincide with those 20 pounds to get in oh I've not brought any cash my question was 20 pounds to get in. I guess we'll have to go inside and with those 20 pounds to get in. Oh, I've not brought any cash. My question was, how does it, does it feel weird?

Because everyone is kind of a half-assed activist now, including myself, in terms of just like sharing things and going, I'm raising awareness. Yes. And then everyone's aware and nothing happens. Does it feel weird

to be one of the very few people, especially out of millennials, who can accurately claim to have done something? To actually have changed something and gone through the years of just nonsense and struggle to really get something done? Yes. It must feel surreal.

It does. I mean, it doesn't even, it's like when people go, oh, you changed law. It's like, I've made a nice cup of tea. And I'm like, yeah, no, thanks. Because it becomes your reality because you do it for so long. It doesn't, it feels very like my work, which is very odd because I can objectively see that it's a big thing to have done on your own, but it doesn't feel like that.

And does it, well, this is kind of similar to Phil's question. Like it must simultaneously more faith in the system that it was possible and maybe a bit less faith in the way it had to be done. Yeah, because I think before I did this, I think we have a preconceived notion of the way things are done and the processes and the structure. And I don't think we realise that those structures can be broken in a way if you do the right things.

So, I mean, one thing with politics and law as well, really, is that if you have enough public interest in an issue, it completely throws all of the processes out the window that they usually have to follow. Not entirely, they are still there, but they can dodge things very, very easily if people are interested and they've got that kind of pressure. So there are things you can do to change the system.

So before, I obviously thought the system wasn't working. I didn't, I mean, I wasn't a big, I hate this. I can't say I wasn't a big fan of politics because that just, that's because I'm whited after being involved in politics and I'm very lucky to be like, oh, I don't believe in, you know, I don't believe in politics.

Well, that's because you can not believe in politics. But I wasn't, I didn't have a lot of faith in it. And now I've worked in it and those people have been humanized to me and whether I agree with them or not, it shows that there is really wiggle room and flexibility if you want to make stuff happen. I didn't think that before. So now I sort of almost feel like it's less broken because I've seen that you can force them or encourage them to do other things. And they will do it if you do it in the right way.

Yeah, well, that's the thing, isn't it? Is that if you're not engaged, then it's like if anything's abstract to you. Yes. thing isn't it is that if you're not engaged then and it's like if anything's abstract to you yes it's like if someone said to you if if you're not like an engineer or you don't have any idea about how electronics work and someone said to you build a radio yeah you'd be like i don't know no it just sort of gets made doesn't it no concept yeah i've got no fucking clue and it would just be impossible but the second like you say you go oh no actually if you do this and do this and it's not easy but there are ways and means. Exactly. Did you find that,

I recently did the Reasons to be Cheerful podcast with Ed Miliband and Geoff Lloyd. Shout out to Ed Miliband and Geoff Lloyd. Yep, the big dogs. And the Reasons to be Cheerful crew. I found, especially that like, because politics is like my football. I'm super obsessed with it. Are you? Oh, great.

Because I'm really fun. Mate, I'm obsessed with it as well now. Never thought I would be but it's fascinating. It's great isn't it? And meeting Ed Miliband in the flesh is that reminder where you go, oh everyone you see on BBC Parliament and the Houses of Parliament, very few of them aren't crushingly sincere about everything they believe. Because they're there.

Yes, yes, yeah, exactly. They couldn't just show up. They had to be elected and even to get elected they had to do like 15 years of oh, I love being on the council or whatever. Bullshit, flyering, leafleting. Especially if you're an MP

as opposed to like a lord. Yeah. You mean the MP you're going to have to you have to convince people to vote for you. You've got to have just meetings all day about everything. It's definitely heavy work. It's definitely heavy work and It's definitely heavy work.

And it's just so, like, it's so insular as well. Like, it's almost, obviously, they're serving the country. And whether or not you think they do that well or they don't, I mean, that's for all of us to decide. But it's so, like, it's party against party, person against person. How are you going to, okay, if I want to do this, well, that affects now five other people's things. So immediately I'm in four people's bad books

and I have to change my strategy. And it's just complex. The relationships in that place are so complex. It would exhaust me. That's why I couldn't go into politics, I don't think. I've been asked by people to stand or to go into... And I really do think you can make as much change outside of it as you can in it.

I just... I don't think I could hack it. And maybe more because that's one of the reasons why I don't know if I'd ever want to join a political party like as a subscriber or whatever, like as a normal member. Because without that, I feel like I can have more like, well, maybe I'll help you out if they won't do that for me.

Exactly. And that was with this campaign, which was really important, is that it was one of the first things I've seen really where every party, people from every party came together over it we're having events where like you've got mps and lords and um you know even like police crime commissioners or whoever all in the same room all talking about and and um connecting on one issue which is very rare and to be able to work with all the different parties and just to be able to see them as individuals because you don't

you you block you block them into like okay if you're liberal you're like labor are good conservatives are bad and if you're not liberal you're like because this is the best and they get on with stuff and they're great labor don't want they're doing and it's so binary and it's obviously not that way when you're there but it was fascinating for me to be able to be involved in that i loved it that's what something like an upskirting van would that's pretty bipartisan i mean that doesn't really fall along any traditional political lines where conservatives aren't going to go and, we're here to protect the proud British tradition of taking photos. For hundreds of years, people have been enjoying the right to sexually harass strangers.

Oh my God, Chope, is that you? I was about to bring him up. Was that the most significant speed bump was Christopher Chope? 100% yeah. And that was a very complex one as well because we'd been working behind the scenes of the government for so long and they are all... Conservatives have been insane. I mean, they know very well that I've never voted for them

and they know very well what my political views are of an incredible support system. And they basically... They've been an incredible support system. Yeah, they really were the ones that took it on. And they were so embarrassed by it because he was the only one. And they were trying to talk him down for three days

and I knew it was going to happen for three days and I was in the house when he did it. I also had to do all the victory media for the BBC that day. So I went in and they were like, the government's backed Gina's bill because they backed the bill the day before. Yeah, right. So I was like, she's done it,

knowing he was going to object to it that day. But the storybook Christopher Cho posing it had not broken. So I was like, she's done it, knowing he was going to object to it that day. But the storybook was for opposing it had not broken. So you had to pretend that. Pretend all morning. And it's very rare for anyone listening

who doesn't realize it was a private member's bill, wasn't it? And it's once in like a million times that one ever gets through. Yeah. Never mind gets

government backing. No. That's like unicorn after unicorn after unicorn. Yeah, fully, fully. And well, yeah, exactly that,

like mad hard work. And just the whole thing, we made rare things happen because. Yeah, fully, fully. And well, yeah, exactly that, like mad hard work. And just the whole thing, we made rare things happen because we did things right. But it was like when he went and delayed that. I knew because we'd got the government backing previously that I was going to come out and the ministers were going to keep pushing me forward and keep trying to get it forward. But yeah, just like devastating that after so much time. But he can't stop it though. He can only delay it, right? Only delay it, yeah. He can only delay it right only delay it

but the thing with private members bills is when they're delayed they very often die because they're not given enough time so a delay because a private members bill

is such a fragile thing a delay so many things can often be killed unless the government then back that bill it's very unlikely it's going to get

through the whole process because if you think about it Chope objects on second reading that's what he believes in whether or not he gets all the flack in the world from the media, he doesn't care.

And so he's not going to not object the next time because then he, well, then he did all that for nothing, you know? Yeah. He made his point, right? Yeah, he doubles down

on his point. So you can just object and object and object and you eventually just kill it. And if it doesn't have really big support, it won't be allocated time. Government time.

The Lords could only, could only... It's not the Lords. It's not the Lords. He's an MP. Oh, why didn't I think it was the Lords? No, no. Well, because it goes to the Lords afterwards, you're could only it's not the Lords he's an MP he's an MP oh why did I think it was a Lord no no because it goes to the Lords

afterwards you're right it goes to House Parliament first and then House of Lords right okay but you probably thought it was a Lord because he looks like a Lord

he does he does he's so much like a Lord he does it's the jowls yeah and also for listeners who aren't aware

Christopher Chope objects to private members bills almost entirely about like the welfare of women yeah but he hasn't he didn't object to any private members bills almost entirely about like the welfare of women. Yeah, but he hasn't, he didn't object to any private members bills

tabled by say Jacob Rees-Mogg. Yeah, exactly. Or private members bills about like it should be compulsory to have teeth made of ivory and things like that. So no objections on the second reading of the old ivory teeth bill or whatever mad shit he's fine with.

So his own statement about it being a matter of principle that he doesn't like private members bills is not true. It's tangibly not true. And if he hadn't objected on second reading, we would have gone to committee stage and had the huge debate. And also we'd been having debates privately for six months and his objection was because that hadn't been debated. We haven't been privy to those conversations.

Yeah. And so in my opinion, thanks to my lawyer. Don't like to show. He's a fucking cunt. Oh my God. Well, he is. Will not endorse that. You heard it here, folks.

Gina Martin. Oh my God. BBC headline tomorrow. Jesus Christ. Gina Martin, the lawmaker, thinks that he is an interesting politician. An interesting individual who acts on principle. I was going to ask when we came here if I'm allowed to swear

and now I know the answer welcome to the internet I love swearing it's full of swears we've been on very good behaviour just started it with the C word

should have just done that I think he's a cat the chope word it's Oi Oi the newest album from some lads on a night out. And of course including the heart-wrenching aria, The Only One Who Doesn't Like Football. I'm the only one who doesn't like football.

The only one who would rather read. The only one who likes classical music. But they can't find this out about me. So I'll say way, way, oyi, oi, way, oi, way. Yay, football today for me, way, oi, oi The latest album From some lads On a night out

Available at The gym At your celebration Drink the other night There was paps There were paps There were paparazzis Yes

There were photos Well Getty yeah And Getty are the most Sophisticated paps Surely Yeah In door paps, there were paparazzis. Yes. There were photos. Well, Getty, yeah. Getty are the most sophisticated paps, surely. Yeah, the indoor paps. Reuters. Yeah, I don't think paps normally have watermarks. Yeah.

Yeah, true. And there was a photo in Evening Standard. No Wang. Oh. Wang, where were you, Wang? I don't know. Someone took a photo of me in the club, but obviously not as much of a...

They pick and choose, don't they? They really do. You're not the face of justice, Phil. Also, Wang, the problem is, and like I've learned with the campaign, is if you're a tall, slim, white young woman, they tend to put you in pictures. That's the thing.

You need to be more of a tall, slim, white woman. Don't talk like I've not been trying this whole time. Also, thank you, because I have been telling Phil that for as long as I've not been trying this whole time also thank you because I have been telling Phil that for as long as I've known him yeah

and also it's like A-level results day isn't it in the Telegraph yes I've got a routine it's all young girls with blonde hair

being like I've done really well I've got a routine in my new show about that all these lovely girls jumping that's why the campaign

was such well not that's not why it was such a it was very obvious at the beginning that it was like okay well because I didn't want to do the I didn't want but it was very obvious at the beginning that it was like, okay, well,

because I didn't want to do the media, I want the story to be the story, mainly because I was very scared of them releasing the photos if I was in the media of me. So I was nervous about that. And I didn't want to do it, and then it became very obvious that people get involved if it's a human story.

So you kind of have to be the human story about it, which is fine. So I did that. But it was immediately obvious, me and Ryan had a conversation about it. I don't really want to do it. I don't really want to do the media. I'm nervous about the media. It's not really about me anyway. And it's like,

you're a privileged white woman. Use your privilege. People will listen because they put you on the front of newspapers. There were a lot of beautiful people at this party. I don't mean to say that. No, I have a lot of beautiful friends, but yeah, I'm surrounded by stunning people. Yeah lot more. I don't mean to say that. No, I have a lot of people friends, but yeah, I'm surrounded by stunning people.

Yeah, I guess I was not expecting it. I thought... Was it one of those parties where you sort of feel like there's dirt on your face the whole time? No! Oh no! I never ever want that to be a thing

at any of my parties ever. You keep going like, oh God, I'm covered in coal. I thought it would just be a bunch of law nerds. I just thought it would be a load of like lawyers.

Point Dexters. Drafts people, yeah. No. Bloody BAFTAs in there. Stop it. Milam. It was so nice. It was so nice.

Everyone in that room was so lucky because everyone was invited. So it was everyone from friends who'd... From down, from Phil Wang, all the way up to good-looking people. No, but Phil Wang was great. We love Phil Wang. From awful comedy trolls like Phil Wang all the way up to good-looking people. No, but Phil Wang was great. We love Phil Wang. From awful comedy trolls like Phil Wang. Or influential great people who have shared the campaign and been supportive, like this.

All the way to the Council of Elrond. Oh, my God. Of beautiful elves. So funny. It was lovely. It was a room of... It was positive, wasn't it, that room? And I think that's important to celebrate good news.

Because it could be very easy to do this kind of thing and go, well think that's important to celebrate good news because it could be very easy to do this kind of thing and go well that's great we did it bye god the amount of stuff we talk about that's just shit like everything

like Brexit and Trump and climate change are so like just your head is full of just bad news so it's like

well let's just celebrate good news it's also nice to celebrate a campaign in a fashion that is truly celebratory and not sort of like unctuously, not unctuously like overly worthy or

like it's so easy when something like this is just so long very sincere lines like earnest and yeah or is it to be fun and us all just get drunk and have a nice time there used to be an element of that too right? you mean like if someone was celebrating like how you celebrate passing this wonderful new bill and you can finally eat a

single black olive. Oh, I did that before it. And meditate. I just mindful eating. Yes. And then I cut a ribbon. Now Gina, you have, you've got a book coming out. I do. I do have a book coming out. Tell us about the book. Yeah. So excited about the book.

When I first thought about doing it, I was like, oh, I can't write a book. I've been a writer for a long time, but I was, you know that thing where you're like, I didn't want to be the person who was like, change the line now, I've written a book, just cause. So I've been working on it for like three months. I think probably the most important thing after this campaign is making people realise that it's actually possible to change things if you're like a regular person, because I don't think, I mean, I didn't know that, even when I was doing it.

Until now, really, now I've done it i've realized we can yeah um so i wanted to write this book because when i first started the campaign i googled how do you change the law and nothing came up zero results the first time but google google pays to make that happen you can't you can't change the law And it was almost like Google being like, work it out yourself, love. It's like, okay, fair enough. Yeah, fine. So there was loads of stuff I obviously had to learn,

like everything from how to do press, how to write a press release, how to just handle terrifyingly high-pressure situations in arenas that you don't feel like you're meant to be in. What else? How to use social media for a campaign. A lot of people don't actually know the science of social media I've worked in advertising

for a long time and I had a full time job in advertising during this whole thing so I'm still working in advertising and I love that so it's like

show people how to use that tool because it's powerful man and it's basically just full of practical knowledge and it's not like how to run a campaign

how to change a lot that's not what it's about it's just how to push for progress at any different level and all different parts and how you can do it so is it the story of your campaign no not at all I don't want what it's about it's just how to push for progress at any different level and all different parts and how you can do it so is it the story

of your campaign no not at all I don't want it to be about it's very easy to be like the upskirting girl who did that thing and I really and although I'm really

proud of it it's not really about me it's about regular people forcing change you didn't want to have to start the book by going I remember that

hot summer's day well I had to do that oh they made you do that well because to give it context I had to put the story otherwise it's like why did you do it do you feel give it context I had to put the story otherwise it's like why did you do it

did you feel a bit weird writing it like that like story time yeah it was a bit story time I did the introduction of how the campaign started and then that was kind of the only bit about me

and then it goes into everything from using your privilege for good using social media for good and then it goes into breaking down practically how to kind of start to put a campaign together

whether that's for taking pesticides out your local park or doing something in your school or it's on this level so you've made essentially the opposite of the anarchist's cookbook yes the direct opposite of that you've done like the good citizen's guide to not letting things get shit exactly that i should have called it that it was a it's a snappy title from an activist but that's way better. The good person's guide for making better things now, please. In the land. Bye.

Thank you. Bye. When is that out? Comes out in June. June? I handed my draft in like 15 minutes before I saw you on the other night. Oh, great. Literally first draft.

Sent it. I was like, got ready for the party, went there, got really drunk. God, man, it was a mad two days. Keep your eyes peeled in June, everyone.

Yes, indeed. Yeah, well, can't wait. Gina Lawgiver is releasing a new tone. I wonder if people will forget that I did that. And I won't be like... I wonder when, like... I'm interested in what my next campaign will be. Like, I'm excited to do the next...

Is that where you're at now? Are you like... Yeah, yeah, that's it now. You've tasted blood. I've tasted blood and joy. And now I just want to do that. I want that to be a career.

Try and make something worse just for fun. Test your power in the way that an evil wizard would. Yes. You've raised him from the dead now kill him.

And then make things worse for people. How can I kill more bees? Doing that pretty well to be fair. Yeah. Cool. Great.

Well thanks so much for talking to us, Gina. Oh, man, thanks for having me. Both of you. Dive in to the debut album from Some Girls on the Night Out with their debut album

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You might need some thinking time, so we'll do it and explain it to the listener. Pia, where's your accent from? Ah, South Africa and the Isle of Man. Excellent, isn't it? Yeah. You've got a very mellifluous voice. It's a weird accent, isn't it?

It's perfect. Adrian Childs complimented my voice. That's a great sentence. On Radio 5 Live. We've got the Childs thumbs up. He said, it was a bit partridge. He was like, you've got a South African accent, but it's a lovely soft one.

Or something like that. It is lovely. Thank you, A. Childs. Sorry for interrupting you. Thank you, Adrian Childs. Is that the only ever called him that? Obviously. Both names.

So this segment is called it's called the most uncool I still can't get it you can't do it the most uncool cool thing and your coolest

uncool thing so the most uncool cool thing is of all the cool things what is the most uncool of them the least cool

of every cool thing uncool cool thing yeah most uncool cool thing and most uncool of them? Yeah. The least cool of every cool thing. Uncool cool thing? Yeah. Most uncool cool thing and most cool uncool thing. Okay, I'm going to go. This is quite niche. Well, I'm not going to explain you to have it on so quick. I think.

That took me ages today. Yeah, I mean, it might not be a good one. I think the most uncool. Phil grinds exceeding fine when it comes to uncool cool things. Is it? So uncool cool thing is the uncool thing. Like the uncoolest of the cool things. Yeah.

Yes. So cooking is quite cool. Everyone likes like, you know, cooking Like the uncoolest of the cool things. Yes. So cooking is quite cool. Everyone likes cooking in the kitchen. It's quite a cool vibe. But slow cookers are like the most uncool thing in the kitchen. Oh, the actual device. Yes. A slow cooker.

Yes, I agree with it because it's a bit like Nana. Yes. It's a bit Nana. But it's actually really useful. And like mob kitchen, cooking is becoming this big thing online now. Everyone loves it. People are young and cooking now. It's really cool

to be a cook and I've seen I've seen on Instagram someone with a sideways trucker hat and their own range of sneakers will be like

yo Instagram I've just been slow cooking these ribs all day and then you big green egg and all that shit I guess what is

uncool about that is the amount of foresight and preparation that's never going to be cool there's nothing cool about going,

in seven hours, I want to pot roast. Yeah. Also, yo, everyone. I was really careful with the temperature settings. I did a lot of research, and I made sure the meat sat, so it was room temperature. Whoa.

Hashtags. No passion in it. That's the thing. Yeah, whereas something like... You can't slow cook with flair. No, you can't. With something like a ramen or a stir fry, that's cool because it's just like,

wow, what's up, what's up, what's up? What's the one with the Benihana? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the most flair possible. The flip, yeah. Live flipping and cooking. The opposite of a slow cooker, Benihana. That's good.

Directly opposite. That's really good. That's really good. Quick, good work. Thank you. My least cool, cool thing. Yeah. I forgot what it was.

What was it? It was good. If that's any help, it was good. You said it earlier. Fuck. My least cool, cool thing was... Oh, that was it. So, okay.

So my least cool, cool thing is buying champagne in a nightclub. Oh, that's a good one. That is a good one. Okay. You're in the nightclub and you have champagne and that's great. But also, you just paid £600 for something that you know is £25 in Tesco. And you're going to wee it out in like half an hour. And also, it's like...

It's so gassy. You're going to be burping on the... Just like... Grooving. Be like... Hey, do you want to do you want to come over to the

VIP area we've got a lot of babes coming for the flatulence and then I go it's not okay

so good hey could you put the velvet rope up at least I've seen some of them less of a chin one they went into the back of your neck that's why I have a beard

because my face is like my whole head is like a marshmallow with a face drawn on oh my god so I need a beard I love it when people see you now

and you're actually a marshmallow with a face drawn on you can put that on your picture just a marshmallow like a lego man yeah

it's so incongruous considering the origins of champagne these sort of I don't know if they're Benedictine but it's monks in France Yeah. It's so incongruous considering the origins of champagne. Yeah. These sort of, like, I don't know if they're Benedictine, but it's monks in France. Well, first on the docks of England, but let's not get too niche about champagne.

What first on the docks of England? That's where the bubbles came from. I thought it was to do with the fermentation process. Champagne never used to have bubbles, but it was still champagne. Was it just wine? It was just a type of wine and then the sparkling wine. They got the bubbles from England

and they took them to France. I'm so confused. It was a guy whose job was to import. He was a wine importer and the way he stored champagne on the docks in London from the Champagne region ended up giving it bubbles and initially that was a big problem because no one liked it

and then it became cool. Became the thing. Something like that. Anyway. That's cool. Yeah, but you're right. It's like humble monks and then it's like,

Crystal! It's turned into like Siroc, like the worst ostentatious thing ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, did you know Moet is actually pronounced Moet? Yes. Is it?

Yeah, because the guy's Dutch. Yes, thank you. I'm very tedious so I knew that already. And everyone takes a bit out of me. I like Gina, I'm very tedious. Well, wrong because it's Moet. Shandle. Yeah, thank you. I'm very tedious so I knew that already. And everyone takes a bit of me. I like D-Man very tedious. Well, wrong because it's Moet.

Shandor. Yeah, like a really, really expensive white man with a grey, you know, greying white man advertising executive told me in a club once,

I was like, oh, it was once, it was literally two weeks ago. But I was like, oh, I'll have some Moet please and he was like, darling, it's Moet.

Really? No, it's Moet and he was like, it's not Moet, babe. And he walked off and I didn't even know him. I was like, and it is too. And I was like, darling, it's Moet. Really? No, it's Moet. And he was like, it's not Moet, babe. And he walked off. And I didn't even know him. I was like, and it is too. And I was like shouting after him, like, it is.

But you don't mean getting your phone out at a nightclub. I'll show you. No, no, no, no. That's the next campaign. Find that man. Send him to the Netherlands. Yes. There's nothing I hate more than smug ignorance.

Yes. Oh, it makes me furious. Way more furious than the dying planet. Way more ignorance. Yes. Oh, it makes me furious. Way more furious than the dying planet. Way more furious. Exactly. What's your least cool cool thing, Phil? It's not as good as those, but my least cool cool thing is starting a podcast.

That's good. It's cool, but it's just not cool. I almost felt embarrassed about telling people about starting this one. Were you telling people in the same way that if you were telling people about starting this one. Were you telling people in the same way that, if you were telling people you'd really gotten into sort of very schlocky musicals? Yeah, I've got tickets for the...

It genuinely feels like asking people to come see my improv group. Your community play. It really does. I've written a... I've started doing interpretive dance, and if you could just come and sing it I mean you spent like two years in parliament

being asked to do something like this is great like it's relative isn't it do you know what I mean like this is your world so you're like everyone's doing podcasts and you're in this bubble

of like London actually podcasts are so much fun to do oh great and comedy I go to comedy all the time I love that shit I spent like

two years in rooms with old men who don't understand me so this is joy oh great yes well that's the thing I think we're so we're so flooded with this stuff yeah I've spent like two years in rooms with old men who don't understand me. So this is joy. Oh, great. Yes. Well, that's the thing. I think we're so flooded with this stuff.

Yeah. Exactly. It's saturated. So it's still better than stuck in a room with someone going, the camera is apparently full of electricity now. Full of electricity. But you're starting a podcast now as well, right? Yeah, I am.

Great. My least uncool. My least uncool. I can't do it. It's hard. I'm not surprised you can't do it most uncool cool thing yes

exactly most uncool cool yeah it's gonna be great everyone I'm really sorry that's sort of the the unspoken part of announcing a podcast

guys I'm sorry but could you please I'm really sorry you feel like you should be like scrubbing your toe of one foot in the dirt and looking down

oh yeah like like a little kid podcast i guess it's pretty good yeah shucks is right dive in to the debut album from some girls on a night out with their debut album espresso martinis and who could forget the beautiful sandra the uber is here Who could forget the beautiful Sandra the Uber is here. Sandra, our Uber is here. Sandra, never fear.

We'll go home now to the flat that we share. Sandra, I've got vomit in my hair. Oh, sorry, you're not for Sarah. Oh, sorry, I read the license

play wrong, sorry. And Gina, do you have a coolest uncool thing? Okay, so this has to be something that's generally uncool, but now is cool, or is kind of the top of the uncool scale. It's top of the, yeah. Okay. I've got one if you want some thinking time.

Okay, yeah, I need some thinking time. You go. My one is calligraphy. That's very good. Being really good at writing really well. Because you go like, oh, wow, that's made this birthday card or this little note you've written or whatever.

Looks awesome. But also, oh, months of practice and research and you had to buy that nib. I know that. I know you had to buy that nib. Yeah. That's a very good one. My sister's into it.

From time to time, I go into her bedroom to use her hair dryer. Because I think it's silly to buy another one so when she's out of the house I just go in her bedroom and dry my hair. It's the nail you're dying on is the hair dryer.

I just go in my sister's bedroom without asking permission I just use her hair dryer and she's on the call but she likes calligraphy and she's written out all these like song lyrics and stuff in calligraphy.

Live, laugh, love. Yeah, all this sort of thing. And then my first instinct would go, lame. And I look at it for two more seconds and I can't help thinking it's quite nice. It's quite good. There was a girl who had live, laugh, love calligraphied on her. Did you see it? No. Oh my god, you're going to die.

It was framed for her boyfriend. She did it on purpose, which makes me fall in love with her. And it was framed for the anniversary. And he didn't realise, but for three years it said, live, laugh, lube. But it was framed for the anniversary. And he didn't realise, but for three years, it said, live, laugh, lube. But it was so, like, swirly. Like that ornate. Yeah.

Ah, that's great. No idea. You just see it and you assume it's going to be love at the end. Lube instead. Absolutely excellent. That's great. So good. But, yeah, doing little twiddly-ays. Where to learn Chinese calligraphy at school?

Well, that makes more sense, given that there's how many thousands of characters are there. Yeah. So, that makes more sense given that there's how many thousands of characters are there. So if you're in a rush. But not in a practical way with a pen. With an old bamboo brush

that you had to learn how to wash. You have to wash it down through the fibers of the bamboo through the hairs in the bottom there. Oh my God.

And you have to hold it a specific way and it's never come up again. And you write all your shows like that now my set lists are all down like that in the back fill set lists up, beautiful framed on the wall of any Asian restaurant

people think it's the menu my coolest uncool thing is board games board games have become oh my god they're sick and they're so uncool they're so lame a lot of people have the temerity to post online about a board game they like It's board games. Board games have become... Oh my God, they're sick and they're so uncool. They're so lame. But a lot of people have the temerity to post online about a board game they like and I sort of get it.

I've been getting really into some board games. Pierre and I are part of a sort of underground WhatsApp group of guys who play a Game of Thrones board game. Oh my God, I love that. And it's such... I cannot emphasize enough how complicated the game is. Really? Yeah,

our friend and fellow comedian Alex Keeley got a hold of it and at first I was like, Alex, you are lame but I will come and try and

give you some cool points, try and cool up everything. It's so, it was such fun, this game of Thrones. Awesome. It's so intricate, it is so confusing.

It's a challenge. It really is. It's good. And it takes a good like is so confusing it's a challenge it really is it's good and it takes a good like four hours to get a hold on it just to play and just do a game and you can lie

to each other and trick each other into things and random things pop up and fuck everything up it's great Alex is like the

Scarface for that now he's just the king of all these board games he's got so many though it's not just Game of Thrones. I'm trying to think of one we played recently. Catan. Alex introduced me to Catan. Catan is fun. It's great. What's the one that you

take over the world? Risk? It's literally the most white person game ever. It's like a colonising game. Yeah, Risk. Risk, yeah. Yeah, me and Stevie and Adam played that recently and it was like six hours and we were taking over all these countries and I had like all of Europe. And then I don't know what happened,

but I lost everything within 10 minutes. You're supposed to go to Australia first. This is why. Oh, really? Well, it depends. It depends if you're playing World Conquest, or you've got the gold cards. I mean, I'm just thinking about this game,

and I'm like, it's actually really messed up. I was like, why don't we make a game out of the things you've done to the worldwide people? Oh, that'd be great. It'd be really fun. Yeah, great. I'm trying to think of my most cool and cool thing. I think maybe one is, I don't know why a game out of the things you've done to the worldwide people? Oh, that'd be great. It'd be really fun. Yeah, great. I'm trying to think of my most cool and cool thing. I think maybe one is,

I don't know why these have become cool, but they are cool. You know those, like, really old Casio watches? Those metal ones. Like, the old man watches that have become like everyone's wearing them. I didn't realise the metal ones had come back in. I knew, like, the cheap sort of plastic ones were cool. Yeah, they are. You know, the square face, digital

with the golden. Yeah. So cool. Really know, the square face, digital, with the golden. Yeah. That's so cool. Really? The ones that you expect to see around the wrist. The thick wrist of a 1970s Greek businessman. Exactly. And now everyone's wearing them.

Yeah. Don't know where they come from. They're now with like a bum bag. Did you come with a bum bag today? Yes, I have a bum bag. Yeah. Big fan. Because those are in now. I lose everything.

Yeah. So they're great. I've lost 23 debit cards, so I need a bum bag. Well, slow down a minute now. 23. 23 debit cards. Yeah lose everything. So they're great. I've lost 23 debit cards. So I need a bubble. Well, hey, slow down a minute. 23? 23 debit cards. Well, you've lost them. I've lost 23 debit cards.

Bloody hell. How do you do that? You just have your own little section at the bank. Throwing it across the room. Do you think that debit cards are like money and you have to just give them the debit card? I think I actually do. And that's how you pay for things.

At clubs, I'm just making it rain like 50 debit cards. You just tell them the PIN number and tell them to take out what they need. Moet for everyone. Moet. It's fascinating. I went to the bank, actually, and I tried to get my 23rd one, and the bank guy sat down with him.

I'm here for my 23rd debit card. And he pulled up the list of the screen on all the dates I've lost them, and he went, no, this was my 19th. This was a while ago, because he said, if you get to 20, we can't give you another one. And I said, but it's my money. No one's ever hit this. I know.

It's unprecedented. We've had to pass a bill about you here at the bank. And he literally went, oh, I can't give you it if you get 20. I can't give you another one. You have to stop losing them. And I went, but it's my money. And he really quietly went, yeah, no, but stop losing them. It was amazing.

We became good friends. A rare moment of candor from a bank employee. That's so funny. It was amazing, we became good friends. A rare moment of candor from a bank employee. It was fantastic. A bank employee felt the need to take you aside and go, why, why, why are you like this? Fascinating, it's absolutely fascinating. I actually made a joke about it with my boyfriend recently. We were in the living room and I went,

you can lose that one as well. I went, I'll just put it where it goes as a joke. And I threw it across the room and it went behind the shelves. And it took me five days because I forgot I'd done it. And then five days later I was like, oh, I would have made that joke. And he took me five days because I forgot I'd done it. And then five days later, I was like, oh, we would have made that joke.

And he was like, you are fascinating. It's awful. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. That was such a wonderful chat. Yeah, it was lovely.

Yeah, thank you very much. Thanks for having me in. Yeah, and guys, have a look, keep an eye out for Gina's book. Toolkit for Activists.

Be the Change, a Toolkit for Activists. Be the Change. Be the Change. A Toolkit for Activists. Coming out in June. Yes. for Activists. Be the Change. Be the Change. A Toolkit for Activists. Coming out in June. Yes. 2019,

if you're listening to this, in the future. In which case, it's been out for years. Maybe civilization will be gone completely. I hope you have water. I hope yous are still alive.

If you read the book, if enough people have bought the book by the time people are listening in the future, everything will be fine. Oh, stop it. That's nice. What a lovely point to end in the future, everything will be fine. Oh, stop it.

That's nice. What a lovely point to end on. Thanks, Gina. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Dive in to the debut album from Some Girls on a Night Out with their debut album,

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That was great. She was really good at uncool, cool, and cool, uncool. She was so fast. She was quick, man. I was pacing for an hour before we got in here trying to think up a cool, uncool thing. You were sweating. You were smoking. You called your lawyer.

Smoking while sweating was the cool uncool thing. You were sweating, you were smoking, you called your lawyer? Sweating, smoking while sweating was the coolest uncool I've been. I was really sweating, but also smoking, so it was quite cool. While talking to a lawyer. Yeah, Gina was absolutely fantastic. Keep an eye out for her book. Coming out in June.

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