Business Innovators Radio - Dr. Bruce H. Lipton – Cellular Biologist – Mark Stephen Pooler

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

Dr. Bruce H. Lipton is an internationally recognized cellular biologist, pioneer in epigenetics, and the world-renowned bestselling author of The Biology of Belief. A former senior research scientist at Stanford University’s School of Medicine, Dr. Lipton’s groundbreaking cloning experiments revealed the biochemical pathways by which the mind controls genetic activity, proving that genes do not control our destiny—our environment, thoughts, and beliefs do. Named one of the world’s most spiritually influential living people by the Watkins Journal and recipient of Japan’s prestigious Goi Peace Award, Dr. Lipton has spent decades challenging scientific orthodoxy with a revolutionary message of human empowerment. ​In this powerful masterclass, Dr. Lipton unveils the paradigm-shattering insights from his brand-new book, Beyond Darwin: How Epigenetics, Quantum Science, and Cooperation Shape Humanity’s Future (featuring a foreword by Gregg Braden). Moving past Darwin’s century-old “survival of the fittest” paradigm, Dr. Lipton merges quantum physics, epigenetics, and fractal geometry to prove that evolution’s true strategy is cooperation. Discover how current global turmoil is actually a necessary breakdown before a major evolutionary breakthrough—and how we can become conscious creators of a cooperative civilization. https://www.brucelipton.com/Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/dr-bruce-h-lipton-cellular-biologist-mark-stephen-pooler

Welcome to Business Innovators Radio, featuring industry influencers and trendsetters, sharing proven strategies to help you build a better life right now. Mr. Mark, Stephen Pula, and I am joined today with my incredible co-host, the incredible Stacey. Or let me tell you who's Stacey. Here's Stacey is a five-time global number one best-selling author, TEDx speaker, sales success strategist, and creator of the Lighthouse Path and featured expert in the award-winning zero-limits movie. Welcome, Stacey. As my co-host today, we have the incredible Bruce Lipton as our guest today. I'm excited to you. I am beyond. I am enthralled. I'm delighted. I'm thrilled. And let's get to it. We are beyond, Darwin. Everyone will get that shortly. I'm going to bring in the incredible Dr. Bruce Lipton in one moment.

moment when I press the right button. Welcome Bruce. I am so excited to be with both of you because, as you are all aware, everybody's aware of looking out their window, watching the news, surfing the web, the whole planet is in a state of chaos. And it's not an accident. Something very important is happening right now that affects all of civilization. We are in a process of evolution.

We have some belief like it der We're raining that evolution is over millions of years. But that belief is wrong. Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Ellsridge gave up with something called punctuated equilibrium, which says everything seems to be static and staying the same, and then some event, boom, and the world changes. Well, we are experiencing a radical change in process at this moment. So before I say anything, I need to say, thank you, Mark. Thank you, Stacey.

Why? Because you are very important people in changing the planet evolutionarily. Why? Because you're offering your audience's new knowledge, new information, and knowledge is power. You're empowering a civilization with your work. And I want to acknowledge that because that's how the evolution will occur.

People will lift other people and we're going to make a better world. And so, A, thank you for this invitation. And B, I want to thank our audience. Yes. The audience are the cultural creatives seeking answers not in the box, because there's no answers we want in the box. It's stepping outside. And since you're all here, we're looking for a better world.

The pleasure is all ours, Bruce. So we're going to do 10 minutes of our frequency section. We know you're in the new movie all about frequency. So this is our opportunity to really ask you. Just a few questions for 10 minutes around the amazing topic of frequency. So Stacey, over to you. Well, thank you, Mark. And I'm going to say thank you, Bruce, because I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing

if you weren't doing what you were doing first. And we all, like, we got together and asked some folks, like, what would you love to ask Bruce? So here we go. What convinced you? you early on that there was this whole science of frequency. And we just would love to know the story. What made you decide to buck the system and start talking about it, putting it into

practicing your own life, and then sharing it with the rest of us? Well, bucking the system, I'm not. actually I was starting to understand the nature of quantum physics. When I was in the university, I didn't take quantum physics. I was a biology guy, and quantum physics was that course said, oh, that's so weird. And, you know, I thought, I don't want to challenge my grade point average by taking a course that would bore my mind. So I took regular physics.

But I have come to learn since then, the most. valid of all the sciences on this planet the most valid and truthful is quantum physics. And as I started to get into it, I saw, oh my God, we're looking at the world through the wrong

glasses, so to speak, because we grew up with a Newtonian perspective that the universe has two realms matter and energy, a separate realms that matter. It affects matter, energy affects energy, but in our discussion of neutron physics, matter and energy don't communicate.

So as a biology major, as a professor in a medical school, one of the important things is the body is made out of matter, and it's not affected by invisible energy, which meant in conventional biology and medicine, consciousness and spirituality are not included in the curriculum. They're referred to as metaphysics, which means non-physics, and was left out. And then once I started to understand the nature of quantum physics, I said, oh, my God, the whole idea of two realms, a physical and energetic realm, is an illusion. I like, what do you mean? I say, because the ultimate discovery was

we saw atoms as physical particles. And they started breaking atoms down. They saw smaller particles, you know, protons, neutrons, electrons. Then they broke those down, quarks, emphymerongs, all different kinds of little subatomic particles. But then they broke. those are down. And guess what they found?

That the fundamental building block of an atom was a vortex of energy, like a nanotornatal of spinning energy. That is the core of an atom. So an atom is made out of energy.

And all of a sudden, then since matter is the structure of the material world, then the material world is an illusion. because it's made out of atoms, which are energy. And all of a sudden it says, oh, my God, there's only one realm in the universe.

Everything is energy. And energy has no border to it. Meaning you can't say, here's a piece of energy, and here's a piece of energy, they don't talk to each other. Energy is like ripples on a pond. Imagine it's raining. All the ripples are forming from all the raindrops.

If you look at that pond, you'll find all the whipples on the entire pond are all interconnected. Why? Because there is no separation of energy from one to another. From the Big Bang, one big mass of energy explosion came the universe. Everything in the universe came from the Big Bang. Everything in the universe is connected via energy. and that energy is mainly in our personal lives coming from the brain, which is an organ that is functioning by energy.

And the energy of the brain is controlling not just the internal biology, but the energy of the brain is influencing our external reality. And all of the thing that says, the whole foundation that people have of matter and energy of separate entities is a great illusion, but more so is problematic because if you leave out the energy, you left out what shapes the world we live in. I would give one quote if people were taking notes, one quote, Albert Einstein. the field is the sole governing agency of the particle. Particles matter. So let's say it again, the field is the sole governing agency of matter. But the field is the invisible energy.

All of us, you, me, we're in different parts of the world. We're all sitting in an energy field. Wherever you are, cell phone broadcast, radio broadcast, television broadcast, those activity is an energy field. You're in an aquarium of energy, and it's a field. But we also know, by putting wires on your head, your brain functions by generating different energy fields associated with consciousness.

The problem is putting wires on your head is called electroencephalograph. It reads brain function. There's an illusion, and that is, oh, my heart. thoughts are inside my head. There's another device that reads brain function. It's called magnetoencephal graph. M.E.G. I guess what's unique? The probe is out here and I'm reading brain function. What does that mean? If I can read your brain function out here, then your consciousness and your thoughts are broadcast to the external.

world. You are a field generator. And I say, yeah, but go back to the course. The field is the sole governing agency of matter. Oh my God, you didn't know it, but your thoughts are shaping your life experiences, not just the internal ones, but the external ones. Bottom line, and we'll get to it, but is this, we are not passive victims of the world. Each of us is a creator, creating our own personal lives, by broadcasting energy fields of consciousness, which shape our life experiences internal and external. And then to wrap that all up is, well, each of us is broadcasting a field. I go, yeah. What if each of us, all of us, for broadcasting the same

field, the same idea, the same belief. Then I say, then collectively, we manifest what we call the life on Earth. All of us are participating

as creators. And therefore, we have to understand this because we have been programmed to be victims. And if you understand that you are create or it changes the game. Powerful, bro. That's so powerful. What do you think, Stacey?

Well, again, I've been at this man's feet learning for many years. And so I hear it right here again. I don't think it can be said enough. What I love is that you were a pioneer at a time when people were very much doubting you. And now we're coming. We're coming in droves to you and agreeing with you. Well, it was interesting because my research on the recognition of a new form of genetic control called epigenetics, which the public is just getting a hint of, changes the whole foundational belief that we've been programmed with the belief that genes control the character of our lives by genes turning on and off. And so I say, well, wait, what did we learn that the genes control the character? And I say, yeah, did you pick them?

The ones you have? I said, not that we know, even though I think we did. Can you change them if you don't like your characterization? He says, no. So as far as we know, we didn't pick them, we can't change them and then add a belief that they turn on and off by themselves, meaning they are self-emergent. They make a decision.

And I say, then what does that mean? I said, then we are victims of our heredity because our genes are making the decisions for the character of our life. And therefore, we believe we were victims of our heredity. And there's a consequence of the planet for this belief. I say what? Victim means powerless.

We have bought the belief I have no power over this biology the genes control it. Well, that's 100% false because the new science which my research was pioneering is science called epigenetics. I said, it sounds like genetic.

I said epigenetics. I say, what's different? Epi means above. So what do we call skin? Epiermis. Why? Underneath the skin is a layer called dermis. And what skin above dermis? Epidermis. What's epigenetics?

Control epi. Above the genes. And now as we find out, oh my God, our belief system, our consciousness is what controls our genes. If I believe I'm a victim, then by belief, I will manifest a genetic expression of victim. And all of a sudden it says, your beliefs are not just random things running through your head.

Your beliefs are being broadcast, magnet or encephograph, and affecting the physical realm in which you live. And then I say, oh my God, each of us is a participant creator of the world in which we live. and that something called civilization is an expression of a large number of people sharing the same belief

and then manifesting it. So the world is an expression of our collective belief. And I say our programming, more than 60% of our programming is disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting. and therefore the consequence of most people's lives is struggle because our beliefs are sabotaging the power that we have. The power of belief, I have to agree with that. And I love your words about connectedness. I'm all about oneness.

We're all one. And also, I'm such a big quantum physics fan as well. And everyone at there has to have a look at the double-split experiment on quantum. of physics very interesting. Now, Bruce, what is one common misconception people have about frequency and what simple practical way can someone begin working with frequency more intentionally in daily life? Well, the first thing is this is the mind is controlling our life experiences. And when you heard me just say, I said, the minds. That leads people to believe there is one mind.

I go, that right away is the biggest problem. There are two minds that manifest our life experiences. The name conscious and subconscious. They have two different functions. And yet both of them shape the world in which we live. The conscious mind, which is the latest evolution of the nervous system, is right behind your forehead called prefrontal cortex. It's the seat of your spirit and energy field, which I love to talk about. And the fact is, the conscious mind is creative and is the one that has your wishes into your desires.

I say, Stacey, tell me what you want from your life. If you would say, well, I want this and that. I go, that's a creative thought coming from the conscious mind, okay? I say, what about the subconscious mind? And go, ah, that is a program mind. It's the equivalent of the hard drive and a computer. The brain is a computer. It's not a larger computer.

It is a massive computer beyond any computer that humans have developed outside of the brain. People have never fully grasped the power of this mind, and they want to take us away from that power, because if we believe there's no power, then we give up the control, and somebody else now has the control. So the fact is this, what is the subconscious mind? A database.

From what? Programs. Why? If you buy a brand-new computer and there's no program, you can boot it up, but it won't do anything. You need to put the programs in first. So a human brain is booting up three months before you're born. The screen is up.

But to use it, you download programs. So for the first seven years, your brain is not functioning at the vibration, the higher level of consciousness. It's functioning below consciousness at a vibration called Theta. Theta. is characterized as imagination. I go, yes, children under seven live in the real world and the imaginary world.

They have imaginary friends. They have, ooh, that famous tea party. I go, what was that party? I said, well, you poured nothing into the cup, and then you drank nothing, and then you said, that was the best tea I ever had my life. I go, imagination. So I said, yep, for seven years, that's the character of children.

But Theta is hypnosis. I go, why is that important? First thing is this, you know there are rules to live in a family? Oh, there are more rules to live in the community. I say, you have to learn the rules to be a functional member. I say, how's an infant who can't read, can't even lift up the book? Going to learn the rules. And I say, nature took care of that.

Nature said, I'll put you in a state of hypnosis. All you have to do is observe. You'll download the rules. You'll observe your parents and see their behavior and you will download that behavior. You'll watch your community. See their behavior and you'll download their behavior. So the programs in the subconscious mind did not come from you. That's important.

The programs in the subconscious mind came from observing other people. Point. If they didn't put your wishes and desires into their life, then you didn't download programs of wishes and desires. You just download other people's programs, okay? That's the subconscious. So now I say, well, we, can operate from the conscious creative mind, or we can operate from the programs in the subconscious

mind. And then I tell you, here's the problem. It's all based on the power of the conscious mind. I go, the creative mind? I go, yes. I say, what is the issue? And here it is. This is, hello, world. This is it. I go, what is it? The conscious mind can do two different functions. I say what? Look out your eyes. Pretend your body is a vehicle. Your conscious mind is looking out the windshield and driving you to your wishes and her desires, the conscious mind. Creative, cool. Okay.

Part two, the conscious mind could think. I said, what's the difference? When we're paying attention, we're looking out. at the world and participating in the world. When we're thinking, ah, the conscious mind is not looking out. It's looking in. A thought is on the inside. So the moment you are thinking with your conscious mind,

you are not paying attention to the world. You are inside with a thought. Well, what if you're driving in the car and all of a sudden you say, oh, when I get to the store, I'm going to buy blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, at that moment, you were thinking, I go, yeah. And I say, at that moment, your conscious mind was not driving the car because your conscious mind wasn't even looking out the window. Yeah, but the car was driving.

I was at the right speed limit. I didn't hit anybody. I go, because, and this is the wake-up moment, when you are thinking, the conscious mind's not looking out, your behavior is controlled by the, subconscious mind, autopilot. It takes over the control. So when you were thinking about what you were going to do in the store,

the autopilot, which knows how to drive the car, because it's a program you taught it. The autopilot drives the car. You didn't have to pay any attention. You weren't even looking at the road anyway. So what was the point? When you're thinking, your life is not coming from the conscious wishes and desires is coming from the program.

When you are thinking, you don't even see the program. Why? Because the program is expressing yourself outwards and you're focusing inward. You don't even see your own program. A simple story, I told it for 40 years because I can't think of a better one, but here it is. You have a friend, you know your friend's behavior very, very well, and you have to know your friend's parent. And one day you can see your friend has the same behavior as the parent. So you volunteer.

You go, hey, Bill, you're just like your father. Back away from Bill. Why? Because I know what Bill's going to say. And you heard what Bill said anyway. I said, what Bill's going to say? Bill's going to say, how can you compare me to my father? I'm nothing like my father.

The point is, well, how come everybody in the world can see Bill behaves like his father? And Bill's saying, I'm not like my father. And the answer is simple. When Bill is playing the father's program that he downloaded before age seven, why is he playing it? Because he's not paying attention. He's inside. So whatever behavior is coming out, you can't see your own.

subconscious behavior because it only plays when you're not paying attention, when you're thinking. And I go, how much thinking? The answer is 95% of the day is the amount the average person is thinking. I say, what does that mean? It means that 95% of the day your behavior is not coming from wishes and desires conscious mind. 95% of the day your programs are controlling your behavior. And then I add this fact. More than 60% of the programs in your subconscious are disempowering,

self-sabotaging, and limiting your power. So I said 60% of your life, you're sabotaging yourself. I go, yeah, do you see it? No. Why? Because it was the program. Did other people see it? Yes. Did they respond to it? Yes. And I said, where does that put to? Your life's not working. And then you look at the people around and you say, these people are interfering with my life. I'm a victim. I'm a victim. And my life isn't working because these people are interfering. And then I say, okay, correction. You broadcast a behavior that caused them to respond in a negative way. You didn't see you were even participating. You just solved the real issues.

You see yourself, I'm a victim. I go, hell no, you are a creator. You create the good. You create the bad. You just have to only... I have to say, Bruce, I have to say, yes, I've watched a lot of your work on the subconscious, and I've actually not only listened to your work, I've actually put it into action as well.

So I've listened to audios as I'm sleeping, because I know as you're falling to sleep, it goes into theta. I learned that from you, Bruce. I've also done psych A. Which I know you're a big advocate of as well. And hypnosis as well, I love a good hypnosis session as well. So I've actually done a lot of work on the subcontractor. just programming, Bruce, so I know how important it is you share that message.

Mark, let me ask you, that you've done it, has your life changed in a different way? I would say it's an ongoing journey, Bruce, and it's something I'm still doing. I'm always growing, always evolving, but I think you do have to look at some of your dark side and some of those old programs and really do that inner work. but my life is like a complete circle. It's completely different. You see, we don't have just one program. We have thousands of programs.

Some of them are good. 60% are not good. And then the issue is, well, when did you get program? I said, you were being programmed three months before you were born. You were programmed the whole year from zero one. You were programming another whole year from one and just two. Tell me the program you got before you were born. Tell me the program you got that whole year from zero to one or from one to two.

And the answer is, I can't tell you a program, why. You have no consciousness. Now I give you the problem. The problem is this. You're running off of programs you have no consciousness of that you have these programs. And then comes the exciting part. 95% of your life is a program. So your life is a printout of your programs.

So I say if you want to know your programs, you don't have a memory of them, but you want to know them, look at your life. And I'll give you a simple insight. Number one, the things you like that come into your life, they come in because you have a program to acknowledge those things. But, and listen, wake up,

the things you work hard at that you want, health, relationship, good job. You work hard and you put effort in it and you're stressing it and you're sweating. I'm going to make, I'm working, I'm making, I'm working. I'm working. Why are you working so hard for that destination? And the answer is simple.

Your programs don't offer it. And you're trying to override the program with more work. Now, sometimes that can happen. Weight is a program. The weight setting of your body is a program. You say, but I won't lose weight. I go, okay.

And you say, I'm going to go on a diet. And I say, how much effort are you going to put into that diet? The more effort you put into the diet, the more you have some influence. And then I'll tell you what, stop dieting, and you will go right back to the set, weight of your subconscious program.

You want to change weight. You first have to change the program. Then the weight will change. Let me give, if people are taking notes, this is to me one of the most important points and that is this. You ready? Okay.

At that point, it is simply this. The function of the mind. Oh yeah, what is it? And here it is, to make coherence between your beliefs and your reality. If you have a positive belief, the function of the mind is to manifest a positive experience. But if you have a negative belief, the function of the mind is to manifest a negative experience. And since 60% of more of our beliefs, which are programs, are disempowering and dysfunctional, then you can see why people's lives are a struggle.

Are they struggling because they can't have the things they want? I don't know. They're struggling because their programs are preventing them from manifesting what they want. And as you brought up, Mark, if I can change the program, then I can change the character of my life. And you talked about there are three different ways. You can change the program, but it's a process. A lot of people say, I'm going to give myself a good talking to, change that behavior.

And then I laughed because I said, who are you talking to? I'm talking to the subconscious. There's nobody in the subconscious. It's a hard drive. I go, what's the point? If you think you can change the hard drive by talking to it, talk to your computer. and tell me when the program changes. Oh, it's not.

I go, ah, that's why that's not a way to change the program. And it frustrates people because they believe, if I just say and repeat this, I will have the program change. I go, not likely. Okay, I'm going over. If you give me 12 hours, I'll finish the whole story. But, let's the next question. Bruce, I could listen to you.

all day, I would have publicity here for 12 hours because I really have put it into action and I know the importance of actually going in with hypnosis or psychay or even listening to the recordings as you sleep because your mind then goes into

the theta state and it records those new programs and that's how you go deep into the subconscious and it's a lot easier than trying to do it of conscious effort. So it's so powerful. What we're going to do, Bruce, we'll get, we'll get Stacey to ask the next

question if we spend just five minutes on this question because we really want to talk and Stacey will stay with us now as well we really I hope so about the Beyond Darwin book so let Stacey ask this one question and then we will

switch to Beyond Darwin yes and I'm going to say whatever program got me into this studio with you and Proustic I like it I'm keeping that program All right, Bruce. All right.

We've talked about things that you've proven and have been proven over and over again. Now, looking into the future. And this goes back to the role that frequency, quantum physics and the physics of frequency, what role do you see it playing in transforming this universe? And it doesn't matter in what features. do you want to tell us about if there's a particular one you want to focus on or all of them?

What are you expecting is going to change? The whole idea is we already mentioned the Einstein quote, which to me you put that one in the mind quote, you put those together and then you see the world through two quotes. One, the field is the sole generating force of the particle, the sole governing agent. a field. Then I say a mind is a field generator. Then I say, yeah, but the mind is operating from the programs, and therefore your life is just simply a manifestation of these programs. Well, that's very helpful,

because if you can see your life and assess it, then you're going to know which programs you want to change. then you have the power of self-consciousness, the ability of several ways, and Mark brought up several ways, where I can rewrite it, which all of a sudden says, I can move from victim to master. I am not a victim other than my program.

But the idea is this, people control your program, and they control it mostly, to take away your power. I say, why? We as people, the public, only has power

in community because that's when our own broadcast are being shared by all the others and the more people sharing the broadcast, the more powerful the energy field, and the field power will determine

the manifestation, okay? But if I break community up, then the power gets broken up, and then the people have no power. So if you look at the world, look at what's happening. We separate people based on race. We separate people based on religion. We separate people based on gender. We separate people based on nationality. I said, what was the collective result? I say, 99% of us have no power. Why? Fractures. We're not in harmony anymore. We've been programmed not to express harmony. We've been programmed to perceive victim. I am a victim of the world. That means, and this is important, for corporations.

Why? If I'm a victim, an corporation offers me a resolution, our first thing I'll have asked us how much? How much do you have to pay for that resolution? And then you start to realize corporations take away our power and then charge us to try and get it back. Medicine has taken away your power because they say you're a victim of your genetics. I now believe I'm a victim. I am powerless.

and then I have to go back to medicine and say, how can I manage my life? And then they say, well, we have some drugs we can sell you. And all of a sudden, guess what? Now you're a customer to do what? Buy your power back from who? The chemical manufacturers called pharmaceutical. I say, are they helping me?

I go, first of all, they weakened you by first telling you, You need the drug. I'm a victim. You're a victim. You need my drug. Every 15 minutes on television here in the States, there's at least one advertisement from the pharmaceutical industry to say, how you can get your power back.

You got this problem? We have this drug. You got that problem? We have that drug. And they're selling all this. Are they selling you empowerment? No. They're selling you some ideas that you can,

get your empowerment back to these drugs. No one wants to talk about it, but it's a fact of science, right? And the fact is this. In the U.S. alone, over 300,000 people die from prescription drugs. I go, well, what about illegal drugs? I go, less than 100,000. Oh, but we have a war on illegal drugs. I go, yeah.

But three times as many people are dying from the legal drugs and you are ignoring it. It's called, oh, that's the cost of doing medicine. I say, that's a damn expensive cost to do that. And medicine is not helping you. Medicine wants to fix the symptom, but it doesn't focus on the cause. Cancer symptom is a tumor. What's the process of medicine? kill the tumor.

I go, does that prevent cancer from coming? I go, no, it doesn't affect the source of cancer. It just affect yourselves that already have the cancer. It's not helping you. Okay. So what's the point? As long as I can disempower you, I can make money.

And the whole idea of disempowerment is to sell you things that you think you need at the cost of you, paying for it when you're not making enough income to even survive in many cases. And all of a sudden you realize they were sucking them wealth out of 99% of the people to feed a very small percent. Elon Musk just became a trillionaire. I go, you don't even know how much a trillionaire is. You know it's big, right?

Let me show you how big it is. A billionaire is big, right? A trillionaire is a thousand billionaires. Elon Musk has the power of a thousand billionaires. I go, and the more money he makes, where is he getting it from? Us? I go, a simple chart, a pie chart. I say, this is all the resources of the planet.

Then I say, one percent has more than half of that part. That the remaining resources, less than half available, is now being fought over by 99% of the people because 1% has taken more than half. I say, and what's that going to do? It's going to create a doggy, dog, bite your neighbor world that we're living in of Charles Darwin's theory of competition, survival of the fitness. You want to survive? How are you going to do it?

You have to be more fit. How do you become more fit? Take the money from the other guy. Ah, now I'm more fit. And the issue is we're living in a highly competitive world because we believe there's not enough. I say, there was enough. But now that a small number of people have taken more than half of it,

There's a lot less. And when there's a lot less, the competition is more severe. I'm just thankful, Bruce, that people are waking up. And me and Stacey are all about collaboration and working together. And we've got great leaders like you. And your friend as well, I'd love to interview him, Greg Braden as well. Oh, Greg is your work too. My dear brother, Greg Braden.

Anita Moorgiani Are you familiar with Anisa Moorgiani? I'll have to research that, Stacey. Oh my God, she wrote a book that will wake you up It's called Dying to Be Me. She had cancer four years. Was it a misdiagnosis? Hell no.

She lost so much weight that the lumps of cancer you could see through her sleep. skin. She had lumps of cancer. Four years. And at the end of this four years, she was on a machine for breathing and helping her because she had so much cancer. And then she went into a coma. And her oncologist called her family and said, when the patient goes into a coma, it's right at the your family member, Anita, is dying right now. You should come, if you want to see her, she's dying. Anita had what we call an out-of-body experience.

She separated her spirit from her physical and went into the spiritual realm and saw and learned so much information about how she became sick because of the stresses in her life. She also was given an opportunity to be out of her body, which was all filled with cancer. It wasn't even working. And I said, you could stay here out of body in the spiritual realm,

which was so peaceful. But she chose not to. I say, why? Because she saw her husband, Danny, who for the last two years, had left his job to take care of his dying wife. And she saw him holding her. And she said, if I don't go back, Dan is going to get sick. So I'm going to go back.

She woke up out of the coma. But now with the consciousness of what to experience. And within two weeks, most of all the cancer was gone. A couple more weeks, the doctor couldn't even, they couldn't find it. And they were upset because they said, we know the cancer is in there. and they looked test after test and she said, I don't have cancer anymore.

I changed my consciousness. And I wanted to emphasize why it was important. Officially, she was on her deathbed at that moment. And she woke up and within an hour or two, they took the machines off

because she was able to support her own lifestyle. Within an hour or two, she said... I'd love to interview her, Bruce. What's that? I'd love to have her on the show Oh, she's fabulous. And Nita Morijani.

She is an excellent. I love it because one of the phrases she took away, which I love is because here in the States, there's Las Vegas, which is like Wild City, you know, you can do whatever you want. And the saying is, what happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas. Whatever you did,

You don't have a selling back, okay? Stay serious. That's where I'm out right now. Oh, well, that's the thing. And yet she changed that. She said, what she learns is what happens on Earth stays on Earth. It doesn't go back to the afterlife spiritual reality. And so it says your life experiences, you came here for learning.

If you learn, you leave here in a state of heaven on earth. If you don't learn, you will probably leave in some form of suffering because you didn't learn that you are the manifester of this life experience. But then again, you've been programmed by people who knew this not to exercise your power. Okay? And here's the point. 400 years, the Jesuits have told their followers a fact that their fathers never understood.

And I said, here's what they told. They said, give me a boy until it is seven, and I will show you the man. What did they know that we now know? Seven years is the developmental programming period. So they said, if you give me that boy for the first seven years, I will program it. And then what? 95% of your life is the program. So whatever the program is, that becomes your life.

And that's what they said. Give me the boy until the seven, I will show you the man. They were the first ones to know about programming. But their programming abilities are nothing compared to today's programming abilities. If you see an infant with an iPad and the infant can hardly walk but is playing on the iPad, that, my friends, is programming. Is it good or bad? It depends on what way you're using it, I suppose.

Bruce, you can use it for good or for bad, but I think you have to be careful as well, giving it children in the first place as well, because we have to look after our minds. It's so important. but Bruce, we've got about five minutes, and I want to talk about your new book. It's absolutely going to be incredible. It's called Beyond Darwin, and it launches in August, Beyond Darwin. Bruce, let's talk a little bit about this book, the inspiration behind it, what it's about.

We're really intrigued about that. Well, I'm excited by it because I've known for about 20 years this story, But I kept looking myself, well, who am I, Bruce, to write a story to challenge the great Charles Darwin? But finally got to me and said, well, you have the modern science that Darwin never had. And the modern science challenges Darwin's point of view to make it to realize this. The biggest problem on this planet is the theory of evolution by Charles Darwin. It has two functions, one of which we talk. That evolution is based on genes.

And now we find out that's not true at all. Evolution is not based on genes. It's based on the nervous system. If it's based on genes as you believe and you've been programmed to believe, then by definition you have disempowered yourself because, as we said, genes control themselves and we don't control the genes. we then are a victim of the world. The first belief is you've been programmed to be a victim.

You have been programmed to be powerless over the control of your life. That is fundamental Darwinian theory. But the bigger problem of Darwinian theory is what is the summary of the theory in one sentence is survival of the fittest in the struggle for life. Okay, we have two. big problems there. Number one, struggle for life. Where that idea of life is a struggle come from? I said, we're living it. I say, you're manifesting it. Life was not a struggle until we made it a structural, a struggle. I say, how did you make it a struggle? You've been programmed to believe

there's not enough and that you, to survive, you need more. And to survive, you need more. And to survive, you need more, then you must compete and get more. More gives you survival. I go, oh, competition. I go, yes, I go, no. Evolution is not based on competition. Evolution is based on community. Emphasis.

A garden, by definition, is a community. A garden, every organism in that garden, be a bee, a worm, the sunlight, the environment, everything is in harmony. A garden is harmony. A garden is not a battleground, okay? A garden is community. Guess who's not part of the community? Humans? We have bought the belief that we are shepherd from that God.

I go, where? I said, the Bible. The Bible said Genesis. God created the planet in nature. And then God added to humans. Point. Belief. We didn't come from nature.

We were added to nature. That's what? Dominion over nature. That we added by God. can control nature. That's like, that's a bunch of BS. That means belief system. And I go, why?

Because we evolved from the garden. We are participants in a garden. If the garden is destroyed, we cannot live here either. There's no way you live without it. Then the first thing is recognize this, which the Native Americans, that was a belief system. They saw their world back in those days as a gardener.

And they saw their role as gardeners to take care of the environment. We have lost that. We have come the other way. Oh, you know, we control the garden. We have dominion. We make it too. I go, how's that working out? We're destroying the environment.

We polluted the air, the water, the soil. We have pillaged the resources out of Mother Earth. And in the process, we have actually are now causing the collapse of the web of life. This science that's new, and I'm mentioning it's science, not my new age belief here, you know, folks, this is science. It says a simple, a simple fact. fact that we must own that today's civilization requires the

resources from 1.6 planet Earth. I go, wait a minute. We only have one planet Earth. Oh yeah. Well, we're getting 1.6? Where's the point six coming from that we need for today's

civilization? we're taking it from Mother Earth. I use this term, it's not a wonderful term because it has bad connotation, but in this connotation, it's accurate. We are raping the planet. We are raping Mother Earth. We are destroying her to get all the resources

beyond what she would offer us, and in the process, undermining a web of life. So science has recognized as a fact that civilization, as we know it, will have, and I emphasize the word, irreversible collapse within the next 10 or 20 years. Why? We are not sustainable. We can't get those resources and destroy the environment in doing it, because we are the environment.

We evolved from the environment. If the environment goes, so do we. So there's a change. I say, what is it? Chaos all over the planet. Everybody went, oh, there's economic chaos, there's political chaos, there's racial, religious,

even gender chaos. I go, you're focusing on all these individual fires, so to speak. but you're missing the big overall fire. Not sustainable. We can no longer do this. And within 10 or 20 years, there's a collapse. We have two choices.

Go down with a collapse! Or get out of the system. And that's what we are facing at this moment. It says that our competition to get more is destroying the ground on which we walk, that we are destroying ourselves as a civilization, that we are destroying community. Why is that important?

Community is harmony. A lack of community is disharmony. Well, look at the world. It's in a state of disharmony. We're not working toward a goal of positive. We're separating. and the separation is built on the belief that you're a victim. And in the Darwinian belief, the genetics part, is victim,

but the belief is summarized as survival of the fittest in the struggle for a life. A garden is not a struggle. A garden is a community of harmony. No struggle. But we're destroying a garden. Why? because we have been programmed that there's not enough. And when there's not enough, that means you have to compete to survive.

And that's survival of the fittest. That's a competition. And why is this important? Because number one, survival of the fittest, let's get to an English word here called fit. Basic definition, F-I-T, fit. capable of surviving. Well, wait, they said survival of the fittest. I go, where's that mean?

Well, I said, look, let's subdivide the world. Here are all the fit people, here. I said, yeah, some of them are just fit. Some are more fit. They're fitter. And then some of them are the most fit. They're the fittest. It didn't say survival of the fit.

It said survival of the fittest. And what does that mean? Well, who cares about the fit? As long as I'm the fittest, I don't care about the fit. It's survival of me. That was Darwin's Victorian England. There was an upper class that described themselves as the fittest. There was a lower class that were capable of surviving.

They were the seizure layer that supported the upper class. And the issue in that Victorian period We don't need so many of the fit You know That was the belief that there's too many of them We should get rid of them The Darwinian theory They're saying there's overpopulation

Of the what? Population of the fit But they were capable of surviving How do you get rid of them? Disease That was number one It was suggested by Thomas Malthus, the philosopher that said there's a struggle,

that if you build the homes for poor people in the swamp, they will get disease. He made a new word, slum. The slum, builds housing for the poor people in a bad area, and they will get disease and die. Famine, not enough food. the winner is the one that can afford the food. Hey, tell me about that today

if you've ever been to the supermarket and start looking at how much money you spend every time you go to the supermarket. Why? Food is getting out of reach for the poor people. They can't afford. And I say, you know what? They've been misled by this.

Climate change. Oh, the water, will melt from the ice, and around the coast, the water will come up and flood the coast cities. Big deal. They're not telling you what's the truth. I said what? You cannot plan agriculture if you don't know what the weather is going to be. In the U.S. today, the breadbasket, the central U.S., Kansas was like the biggest

source of wheat. There's no harvest this year. The weather was so off, the plants didn't grow. There's no wheat harvest. Oh yeah? Well, wheat is part of bread. Wheat is part of all the food, different things. I say, it's cost a lot more today. Why? Because there isn't so much. That means the price of everything is going to go up based on wheat. I go, bread, price is going to go up. All the things. I go, Why is this important? If the price goes up, but the larger portion of the population is not making any more money, there's a problem coming. People will not be able to buy food.

And you're going to see a revolution because when you starve people, they don't give a crap what happens to you anymore. Oh, yes. A rebellion, a revolution is in process, okay? The simple fact is this. we're not sustainable because we have to change the way we're living. I say, well, how are you going to change it? I say, well, the civilization has to change.

I go, can you fix it? Aha! No. Why? It's broken. The foundation of our civilization is corrupt. It encourages the rich people over the poor people. And the rich people being the fittest say, I don't care about you.

And I say, what's the problem? Mark, you're involved with business. Let me tell you something. In the world of competition, there is no morality in regard to activating that competition. If I can beat somebody and they get hurt, what the hell do I care?

As long as I win, I don't care about them. And so most of the competition is costing the health and lives of the majority of the population because it's not supporting them. It's supporting the 1%. So all of a sudden I say, how can you win? So any damn way you can win is legal because no one says you should always win by being moral and humane in your effort.

And I go, that's not part of the business model. business models win at any cost. And therefore I say, so now where are we? I say we have a civilization based on a culture that can no longer sustain itself, that the stresses are getting higher. Interesting fact, there's a health care crisis on this planet. Oh, the genes are, it's health, the genes are causing a problem. Well, that's your program, but guess what?

Less than 1% of all disease is due to genetics. 99% of disease is lifestyle and stress, with stress being the emphasis. And the stress is going up every day. The house crisis is getting worse every day. The more drug, that didn't shut off the problem because the problem is not in the body. The problem is in the mind.

the stress of trying to survive in a world that is not moral. They'll take your money and steal it and walk away and laugh. And the idea is, we have to change. So I go, well, the change is happening. What do you mean? I say, the world is in chaos. I go, why is I important? The structure of civilization is falling apart in chaos.

And I go, that's a really positive sign, except most people are looking at it in fear. Oh my God, it's falling apart. What are we going to do? I go, if it doesn't fall apart, your future is darker than anything you want to know about. You will not survive, okay? So the idea is this, what you are fearing is most importantly necessary. Why? We have to break the old civilization to build a new civilization. The futurist, Buckminster Fuller told us the truth a long time ago.

He said, don't go into the old system and try and fix it. Step outside of the system, build a new system. And the people will then come to you. And the old one has to collapse. Bruce, you have overgiven today. We're past an hour. I could sit here all day. I just want to firstly say this book is going to be phenomenal,

Beyond Darwin. This is released in August. Bruce has an amazing website, Bruce Lipton.com, but also you'll be able to get Beyond Darwin at all good bookstores. Amazon, it will be all over. So August, Beyond Darwin. I will make sure this interview is aired in August as well, Bruce, so that it comes out at the same time as the book launch as well.

Just so many words of wisdom. I love how sometimes it's a bit like your own personal life. It has to collapse for it to build up better, and it's the same with these big systems. They need to collapse, so better ones come in, but doing things from the mind of nature from the heart. Mark, I want people to listen. the young people, because they perceive themselves as a hopeless situation.

They got educated, they can't even get a job to support themselves. They feel left out of the system. I go, good. Good, yeah, because if you're not connected to the system, you are free to make a new system. And while they're thinking there are no jobs, I'm going to say the current jobs are going to collapse the ones that have been destroying the planet.

And there'll be all new jobs. All new jobs of maintaining the environment, creating harmony among the people, learning to live healthy. All these are new jobs. And those young people are going to have a great opportunity. They don't have to get to the end of the line of being the new guy on their old job

because they can be the new guy on top of the new job. So I want the young people to know this. It looks hopeless? No. You are playing, if you're young, one of the most important jobs of civilization's future. And that is, you will be the new workforce

with a new job listing, maintenance of health, happiness, the planet. Can't get a better job than that. And I want to thank Mark. I want to thank Stacey for letting me have this opportunity. And want people to know that the book, Beyond Darwin, is a theory of evolution based on modern science, not Darwinian BS from a long time ago.

It's modern science. and it's a science of personal empowerment. And so I want people to understand this book because I want the people to have the power. Why? I trust the people. I don't trust the government. I don't trust the corporation. And I sure is I don't trust the media,

which is paid for from the corporation. I want to trust the people because why? Almost all people have the same wishes and desires. Most of them want to have a happy life, a healthy life. They want to be protected. They want to be supported. They want a job. I say if 99% of people engage in the same wishes and desires,

the concept of heaven on earth would not be a philosophy. It would be a manifestation. Why, each of us who has taken our power back has tasted and touched heaven on earth. I'm not waiting to die to go to heaven. I'm going to enjoy every day of heaven on this planet that I have. And I hope people will see that and then start to take the hell we're experiencing and transform it into the heaven we can have. beautiful words Bruce beautiful words let's save mother earth

Stacy thank you so much for being my co-host today it's been an absolute pleasure been a joy and a treat and so the words cannot be said more often and we will be sharing this recording this interview over and over again encouraging everyone to share it over and over and over again thank you mark for inviting me, Bruce, thank you for our conversation. It's been all hours. And let me thank you so much, Stacey.

Let me just thank the public who is watching. You go ahead, Bruce. Because the public, you have the power. Not if you fracture yourself into warring faction based on sex, based on religion, based on nationality. No, we are all one. We all came from the same energy source. We are all spirits in the body, and we are all one.

And that's the evolution. The separation, disempowerment, the community power. Thank you. Ruth, thank you so much for being my guest today. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone for joining us.

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