Business Innovators Radio - DR. ROBERT HANOPOLE: Relief Now Laser Methods Expands Nationwide

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

In this episode, Dr. Tami Patzer talks with Dr. Robert Hanopole about the benefits of class four laser therapy. Dr. Hanopole has been practicing non-invasive methods of healthcare for more than 28 years and has helped thousands of patients solve their health challenges through chiropractic care, physiotherapy, anti-aging and regenerative offerings, and deep tissue laser therapy.Dr. Hanopole explains that class four laser therapy works by using specific wavelengths of light to penetrate deep into the body and stimulate cellular energy production. The laser energy helps to charge cells that are not functioning optimally, leading to improved cellular metabolism and the development of new cells. This accelerated healing process can help with a variety of conditions, including chronic pain, musculoskeletal injuries, neuropathy, herniated discs, and even more obscure conditions like trigeminal neuralgia and shingles.The effectiveness of class four laser therapy is backed by over 900 published studies, and Dr. Hanopole believes that we are moving towards a healthcare system that is based more on energy rather than chemistry. He encourages patients to take personal responsibility for their health and make positive changes in their nutrition, exercise, and emotional well-being.If you’re interested in trying class four laser therapy, you can reach out to Dr. Hanopole at his office in Plantation, Florida, or visit the website reliefnowlaser.com to find a practitioner near you. Remember, this non-invasive and drug-free approach to healing can provide remarkable results and help you ditch the drugs and skip the scalpel.To learn more about Dr. Robert Hanopole and his work, visit reliefnowlaserplantation.com.The Optimal Health Showhttps://businessinnovatorsradio.com/optimal-health-show/Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/dr-robert-hanopole-relief-now-laser-methods-expands-nationwide

It's time to put your health in your own hands. Get ready to learn from today's top health and wellness innovators and thought leaders on optimal health radio. Now, here's your host. Hi, everyone. This is Dr. Tammy Patser. I'm really excited because today we have Dr. Robert Hannibal, Dr. Rob, with us today. And he is practicing in Plantation, Florida. and he's been around since 1995.

So in the past 28 years, he's helped thousands of patients solve their health challenges through non-invasive methods, including chiropractic care, physiotherapy, anti-aging, and regenerative offerings, and deep tissue laser therapy. Today, we're going to take a deep dive into the relief now laser methods, which is a class four lasers. So just put your ears out and be listening for that. But let me continue. Dr. Rob is a graduate of the University of Maryland and Life Chiropractic College. And he is constantly seeking learning and providing new treatments and technologies to meet his goal to help patients ditch the drugs and skip the scalpel. I think that's

so important. He resides in, of course, beautiful sunny South Florida with his wife, Stacey. And I love this. He has two young adult offspring, April and Jake, who are pursuing their passions. That's a good way to say it. I didn't know if I was going to call them children or kids because they're young adults. They're not kids anymore, but they're also young adults, right? Exactly. with. Yeah. So that's really fun to think of it that way because our children grow up so fast, but they're always our children. Dr. Rob, he actually is someone who walks the talk and he's very active and he does daily crossfit, healthy eating, and of course, mindfulness practices. His passion is to help others live their true potential in help.

mind, heart, and soul. He's also the CEO of a national group of forward-thinking doctors dedicated to helping patients without drugs and surgery called the Laser Masters. So welcome, Dr. Rob. Thanks, Tammy. That was a very comprehensive background. Well, I know that even though I said a lot about you, tell me a little bit more about, about, how why you decided to add class four laser methods to your practice? Okay. Well, I would have to say it really started many years ago. When I was about 27 years old, I was actually still in school.

Okay. And I got very sick. I had some kind of crazy debilitating arthritis that was never really properly diagnosed. Could hardly get out of bed. When I got out of bed, I would feel like I was walking on hot glass, literally tears in my eyes, trouble making a fist. My knuckles were like golf balls. One rheumatologist said I had writer syndrome, another said psoriotic arthritis, and another one said

rheumatoid arthritis and they all said no you're going to be on medication and one said I don't care about your holistic background or philosophy you'll be on medication for the rest of your life so whenever I hear somebody

tell me something like that I'm really very much I don't want to say a rebel but I don't like to take things at face value and I like to find out for myself. You know, I would say I'm a critical thinker and a free thinker. That's why I choose the path that I've chosen. And, you know, I found a way, you know, to get healthy. It took me a couple

years, but I fully 100% regained my health. I wasn't on medication for the rest of my life. I maybe took anti-inflammatories for two weeks. That was it. Went through, you know, a real painful period, but I got healthy. But that really got me out on a journey towards always, you know, trying to find, you know, natural and more high-tech, you know, non-invasive solutions for health. And when lasers, you know, started to become popular, they were what was called Class 3 lasers. And Class 3 lasers used the same wavelength, but they're not as powerful. But that was all that was available at the time. And I just had I had a real yearning, you know, to learn.

and how to help people heal and help myself heal. And I thought lasers were fascinating. I also thought, you know, the physics involved. And it was just just interesting to me. And then when the higher power class four lasers, you know, became more popular, took me to another level. And the results that we have seen have been unbelievably incredible, which is why we developed, not only, you know, do we have a problem?

practice in South Florida, Plantation, Plantation Laser Paint Center, but we developed an international organization called the Laser Masters, and we helped doctors all over the world to help their patients with laser therapy. So your own health led you to, of course, trying to find something. So I just want to backtrack a little bit on that. What is it, that you actually did do to help improve that arthritis that you thought you had, let's say, or what they thought you had. Right. So, you know, look, let's look at it.

You know, any disease, think of the word disease, dis-ease, lack of ease, okay? So any disease is really the body not functioning the way it's supposed to function. You know, what happens is the first thing that happens is that, you know, there is a lack of function. And then after a lack of function, you know, there is some type of symptom involved. And then we look at a group of symptoms and we classify the symptoms and we then call it a specific disease. we give it a name, we give it a diagnosis. Okay. And, you know, when I first had the issue, it was so debilitating and so disconcerting,

and I had a drop out of school. My parents were really upset. They said, you're going into a field where you're helping people and you have to use your hands. And, you know, you're not even able to use your hands. That could even make a fist. So I went the traditional medical route. And again, you know, it was drugs. And literally I took the anti-inflammatories for two weeks and realized that was not the answer because it was just addressing the outward symptom.

It wasn't addressing the cause of the problem. So I finally found a doctor that was a functional medicine doctor. And he actually practiced chiropractic, functional medicine. He was an epidemiologist, master's in public health. And he saw in his own practice, you know, really the worst of the worst, the worst, chronic, degenerative type of cases. And, you know, I put a lot of trust in him. He helped me get healthy. And really, the journey that I took was looking at the cause versus treating the symptom.

And what he taught me was that the causes of, you know, the majority of diseases. The majority of symptoms that people suffer from is stress, but not the kind of stress that we all think about. That's only part of it because there's three type of stresses. We have chemical stress, which is the air that we breathe, the food that we eat, viruses, bacteria, cause the stress on the system. We have emotional stress. We all know what that is, right? frustration, anger, fear. These days, especially the last few weeks, I know everybody is on edge and everybody's

on emotional stress, you know, with what just happened in the Middle East. So it's a very stressful time emotionally. Okay. And then physical stress, which would be chronic repetitive motions, uncomfortable positions throughout the day, too much sitting, too much standing, you know, not enough sleep. You combine those three type of stresses. And if they're, you know, if they're high enough or even if one area is high enough, it's going to cause dysfunction in the body.

And over time, that dysfunction is going to lead to symptoms. So that's really what happened with me. You know, if you would say the highest on the scale of each level of stress is 100, I was 150. All right. You know, I'm not going to get into all the issues, but I was just, you know, I was in school. I wasn't eating healthy, drinking too much caffeine, not getting enough sleep, going through a terrible relationship. I mean, I was off the charts and something how to give. And I lost my health.

my body just couldn't take it anymore. And I really believe that we all have a certain genetic strength and weaknesses and certain predispositions for certain type of symptoms, okay, and disease patterns. And I believe that when my mind and my body and my body and my spirit and my soul and my heart got so stressed out, that my body expressed this arthritis. Okay?

And then when I even looked at it from a more spiritual standpoint, it was very interesting. I was reading some of Louise Hay's books. You really got, I say now it was the greatest gift that I was ever given because it made me a much better practitioner, a much better healer, much better really being compared. passionate and empathetic and understanding what patients need because I went through it myself. Okay.

So I really feel it was a gift. And also inspired me to read, you know, a lot of different books, Deepop Chopra, Wayne Dyer, Louise. Hey, you know, all these books on mind, body, healing, Bruce Lipton, you know, you name it, I started really searching, okay? And then I realized, you know, arthritis, my joints all getting stiff and constricted and restricted. Well, at that point in my life, I was actually feeling very, very, very restricted. I felt like I didn't have a lot of freedom. And I kind of, you know, in an esoteric way, I feel that my body expressed itself physically what I was feeling emotional.

Well, I wanted to ask that because I think that what you're talking about is really important for people who are thinking about health in general and about traditional medicine. They always are, like you said, they always push the drug or the surgical aspects. And sometimes they don't address like what you're talking about, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the body, the soul, the heart, you know, the cause. The whole body. So I think that's really good for just to kind of help people to get to know you a little bit better so that they can understand. And I agree that empathy, if you're going to be helping people, you do need to be able to empathize. I can't even talk with them so that they can feel.

that you get them. I think that's one of the big issues with many doctors. So with that, again, I want to focus, pull us back into this class for laser because it's been around a while, but it seems to be gaining in popularity, and there's a lot of pluses. So what are some of the things that the class four laser

can really help people with? So much, okay? Because the way that I explain laser to patients is that the human body is made up of cells, okay? And we have approximately 70 trillion cells. In areas where we have cells that are not functioning optimally, the body can't. heal. It's not working properly, okay? Because cells are actually the batteries of the body. Cells produce energy in the form of ATP. So when patients have chronic injuries, chronic pain, chronic neuromusculital pain. So it could be, you know, musculoskeletal, like tennis elbow, knee pain,

foot pain, shoulder pain. It could be nerves involved, like peripheral neuropathy. There could be herniated discs, things of that nature, spinal problems. Generally, where there's a chronic issue, meaning it's been there for a long time, the body can't heal it because the body is a self-organizing, self-maintaining, for the most part, it's self-healing system. Okay? I mean, think about how miraculous the body is, right?

If you got a paper cut, what happens a couple days later? It's not there anymore, okay? You scratch yourself, right? It's not there anymore a couple days ago. But if you scratch your car, it's not going to heal itself. Okay? The body is a self-organizing, self-maintaining, self-healing system. The body is always producing new cells and getting rid of old cells.

When the body's functioning properly, it's just a well-oiled machine. But what happens is there's times when cells are not functioning optimally, and it's like a battery needing a charge. So when we apply the laser to the areas where the cells are not functioning optimally, they absorb specific biostimulative wavelengths of light. The term is called photobiostimulation. or the newer term is photobyromodulation, okay? But we're using actually healing wavelengths of light

in the near-infrared and infrared spectrum that have specific attributes that have positive effects on the body because the cells, if you remember Tammy, if you remember biology class, remember the word mitochondria and organelle, okay? and they used to tell you all the time. The mitochondria is the powerhouse, the power plant of the cell. Okay?

Well, the mitochondria and the cells, they actually have solar panels or light receptors called chromophores. And the chromophores that we're specifically targeting is called cytochrome C oxidase. So the laser light penetrates very deep into the body, into the cells that are functioning suboptimally. And through a photochemical reaction, very, very similar to what you'd see with sunlight and plants, like photosynthesis, that light gets converted into cellular energy. ATP is produced and those cells are getting charged. And now the body starts to function optimally and it starts to heal. So laser actually speeds up the healing process.

It increases cellular metabolism. It helps to develop new cells. So in my opinion, laser is an energetic form of what we call regenerative medicine. So when people talk generally about regenerative medicine, they're talking about things like injections of platelet-rich plasma or stem cell injection, I have found, we used to do that in our office, but I have found personally that laser's been more effective. So when I use laser or one of my staff uses the high power class four laser on a patient,

the way that I explain it as an analogy or a metaphor is that we're giving them an injection, a painless injection of laser energy versus an injection of chemistry. and it's going to help to speed up the healing process, just like the other forms of regenerative medicine. That's really interesting because I don't think I've heard it explained quite like that before. I really like the analogy with the battery and the solar panels because you can actually see that in your mind. And it's very easy to understand, especially photosynthesis, because most, you know, Most of us, I do recall biology. Yeah.

And I remember that. And that's also interesting when you're talking about it being similar to the stem cell injections or that other type of thing, because those literally are like where they take your own blood and spin it and then reinject you with those stem cells. But what you're saying is that the laser is actually a non-invasive way to get the same or similar results. So the whole idea is to regenerate this sick part of your body so that it can go back to being optimal and heal itself. Exactly. I really like that. So, again, it's all about the drug-free and. surgery free. So how is it? Do you have trouble? I'm really curious with people believing that they actually

can get this regenerative healing with lasers without drugs or surgery. Do you have any people who are like, oh, it can't be it? It has to be a drug or it has to be surgery? Or are they just relieved that there is something like this? Yeah, I don't know if they don't believe. I think they just haven't been exposed to it. So it's just not something they've ever really thought about. And that's the reason why I communicated in a way that is so relatable. So patients can really have a better understanding.

Because if I explain laser from a really hard science standpoint, I put people to sleep. So I have to, I have to explain it in a way that, you know, it just makes more sense. And when I explain it that way, I don't really have a lot of resistance or pushback. But when a, you know,

if a patient is, you know, is a little bit skeptical, you know, I will provide a sample treatment, you know, to a patient just to show them that, nothing I do in the office is ever going to hurt or harm them. The laser is painless.

The only thing the patient may feel is a little warmth or heat, which is actually very soothing. And that actually becomes an issue because I have to explain to patients that just because it feels soothing and there's heat, doesn't mean we've got to keep on doing more than the recommended dose. Okay? Because I have patients all the time that tell me, oh, that's. that feels so good on my shoulder. Can you give me another 10 minutes? And, and, you know, I tell them, I can't. I know that it feels good. You can put a hot pack on there or something, but I don't want to give you too much of a dose of a laser energy. You have to look at this as a dose,

just like you're giving a patient an injection, okay? And there's no more value in getting a needle injection, if after all of the liquid in a syringe is injected, there's no more value in leaving the needle in any longer. Okay? So there's no more value in giving, you know, more laser energy than's needed. So, you know, afterwards, if they like the heat, you know, then I'll recommend, you know, a hot pack or, you know, a moist heat, something like that. But it's not therapeutic, but it feels therapeutic.

Okay. But we'll do a sample. I'll show them again. Nothing we do will ever hurt or harm them. It feels nice. I definitely let them know not to expect any major change after that first treatment, okay? Because, you know, that would be a complete miracle. Okay.

I mean, if every patient had one little sample laser treatment and they healed, I would have a line from my office to Dubai. We wouldn't need an office in Dubai. Okay. But that's not how healing works, but patients generally get very good results in a short period of time. So when you say that, so what is typically the minimum effective dose on a laser treatment? And how many times would you expect somebody to need to have laser treatment and how far in between treatments should it be? I love that you use that word, the term minimal effective dose.

I say that all the time. You know, I tell every patient what's the least amount of treatment that we need to get the most maximal results in the shortest amount of time. And it ends up costing you the least amount of money and you don't have to see me that much. Okay. I don't like when any patient has to see me more than my wife and my kids. All right. It shouldn't be that way. All right.

So to answer your question, every patient wants to know four things. okay what's my problem can you help me what's it going to cost and how long is it's going to take okay so in terms of how long is it going to take every every patient says how many treatments do i need i tell every patient the same thing i don't know because i would be disingenuous in telling them I knew exactly how many treatments they need. It would be like I had a crystal ball. Okay? And everybody is different.

Tammy, your physiology is different than mine, which is different than my wife's. That's different than Dr. Mike's. You know, we all have a different history. We've had different injuries. Our bodies are different. Our nutrition is different. Our healing capacity is different. We have different genetics.

So everybody heals at a different rate. So the way that I've overcome that, is I've looked at really what I call the miracle cases, the cases that have had the most maximal results in the shortest amount of time, the unbelievable patients, and it's within six visits. So I use six visits as a baseline and a benchmark

to then determine how many visits we need. because if somebody, a patient tells me after six visits, they're 50% better, now I know what they need. If we determine the patient 75, 80% better, now I know what they need. If they're 90%, if they're 20%, great. I have to tell you, though, that about 95% of the patients within the first six visits are moving in a positive direction. I just don't know if that's going to be 15% better or 95% better or 100%.

Okay. So based upon their response to the first six treatments, then I can more accurately prognosticate what they need. But there would be no way that I can do that. And I know of centers that I've spoken to and I asked, and how many visits do patients get and they give me a number. And I will say, how do you know that? How do you have, there's not a one size fits all.

Everybody is different. But I know it generally takes based on experience about six visits to have a miracle. I actually had one patient that it was really a true miracle. She had plantifestitis since 2006. She had one visit. and literally danced out of the office. Yeah, I never saw anything like that. But we've had some amazing cases.

I've also had a patient that came in. It was a nurse that I never met before. Her name was Karen. And she was in the reception area. And my staff came to me. I was in the back of the office. And they said, Doc, you better come up front because we have a new patient here and she's crying.

And I said, wow, we never had a new patient, you know, come to the office with tears in their eyes. She must be in a lot of pain. Listen, thank goodness, Tammy. I never had a patient to leave the office crying. That would be bad too. But she said, I'm not crying because I'm in pain physically, but I'm in a lot of emotional pain

because I was just told I have to have two toes amputated. Exactly. But your expression, right? Yeah. So she was just told her two toes amputated due to diabetic ulcers and peripheral neuropathy. And she said, you know, do you think the laser could help? Now, I love laser and I will tell you, you know, I'll give you, you know, so much enthusiasm about. it. But in this case, you know, I do know that there are limitations of matter. You know,

there's certain things that, you know, after a certain period of time, we may not be able to turn on those batteries, let's say, okay? But I told her, I said, look, I don't know if we're going to be able to help you, but let's give it a try. And after her first visit, she came in 24 hours later, and we both noticed the same thing. The ulcers actually looked a little different. Instead of being very dull, they actually had a little bit of a sheen. And I thought that was interesting. Maybe it's a little granulation tissue, maybe a little bit of a healing process. I know, I wasn't sure. But I have to tell you, it was about nine treatments and she completely healed. completely healed.

And her husband was so impressed that he became a really great friend of mine. And we go out to dinner and out to lunch and he tells everybody the story. But that, again, was one of my miracle faces. Okay. But it really was interesting because usually with the laser, we're treating something internally, you know, under the skin, you know, some type of muscle or ligament or tendon or nerve. you really can't visualize, you can't see it. But with the diabetic ulcers, I was able to see on the outside how the body heals.

You know, and I can tell you case after case, even myself, I even had a tooth issue, an abscess over a root canal that wasn't healing. And the endodontist said, well, at this point, your body's not accepting it, and we're going to have to do an implant. So I was like, you know, all right, let me think about it. I used the laser on the gum five days in a row.

The abscess healed, never came back. X-rays were even taken later on and it's perfectly healthy. So it speeds up repair and regeneration like nothing I've ever seen. I love it. Well, I think both of those, well, your personal example, because I have a little bit of experience with mouth, and it is one of the hardest places to heal when you have anything going on in your mouth.

And then, of course, the one where you physically could see the ulcers on her, I take it it was where her toes were that were they were going to remove. And it just kind of makes it very interesting when you think about it. She was smart enough to seek out this alternative other than just saying, okay, cut my toes off. And I think you said it about yourself, about being a critical thinker and a free thinker, somebody who, and I think that's really important that everyone should think about their own health and not always just go yes to the first thing that somebody tells them. especially when it has to do with drugs or surgery because there are other things that maybe they should check out. And it does take somebody who is able to think about, well, maybe I should go look at this or that or the other thing.

So in your office with these lasers, you've talked about the diabetic neuropathy, the planter phrechitis. What other successes in different body parts? I imagine you work with a lot of athletes or golfers in South Florida. I imagine people who have those repetitive injuries. What other things would you say somebody could probably benefit from class four laser therapy? Yeah, I mean, any kind of really, you think about anyitis, right? all itis means is inflammation, right? So tendonitis and presiduses and, you know, knees, feet, shoulders, ankles, elbows, TMJ.

See those all day long, okay? All the chronic repetitive stress injuries, the athletic injuries, meniscus, knees, ligaments, you name it, we work with it. Post-surgical cases even. we see now to help the surgeries heal faster to reduce scar tissue formation and then there's some conditions that I treat that I would say are more obscure conditions like trigeminal neuralgia which is the trigeminal nerve causing facial pain okay and the trigeminal nerve is one of the cranial nerves we get very good results with that we've had a neurologist fairly recently send in uh refer in you know several patients with trigembral neural neuroalgia. Bell's palsy, okay, palsy of the face. Shingles responds

very well to laser therapy. So I call those the more obscure conditions. And then we have things like peripheral neuropathy, like diabetic neuropathy or idiopathic neuropathy, where patients are starting to really, you know, lose the feeling in their legs and their feet and they can't drive. And these things lead eventually to, you know, they're on gabapentin, and then, you know, it leads to, you know, more, you know, medication. It leads, leads to amputation. Okay. And like, like I told you about the, the patient with her toes, and we were able to save her from amputation. So, you know, we see these peripheral neuropathy cases, herniated discs. We have a special treatment that we combine laser, We've combined two treatments and it's called non-surgical laser disc decompression.

Okay. So we do non-surgical decompression. We combine it with laser. The decompression, it's a special, very high-tech, special table that actually helps to open up the disc spaces where there's disc herniations and disc bulges. And what it does is it actually assists to repair what's called. the pumping mechanism to help pump the discs with fluid because the discs are the shock absorbers between the vertebrae. And once you lose the pumping mechanism, the disc starts to deteriorate and is much more susceptible to injury, bulges, herniations, things like that. And the table actually

restores that pumping mechanism. I kind of liken it to remember the old-time cars where you had to crank them up, you know, and then eventually you get the engine going. Well, that's what the table does to those discs, to the vertebrae above and below the injured discs. It gets them pumping fluid, nutrients into the discs, and then it helps to extract and remove waste materials because disks don't have a very good blood. They don't have a blood supply. They don't have an artery bringing them nutrients and fluids and hydration, and they don't have veins taking anything out. So then we combine that with the laser therapy. The other thing that the decompression does is it forms,

it's called or causes a vacuum phenomenon, which actually causes a negative pressure inside the disc to help it also get sucked back in. So you're restoring the pumping mechanism. You're actually creating that vacuum phenomenon. And then we use the laser around the area because generally where there's herniated disc and there's nerve involvement and there's other soft tissue involvement and pain and inflammation. So we found that the combination of both has been a very, very, very effective treatment. And we've trademarked, you know, non-surgical laser disc decompression.

Wow. That's really, I was just listening to that and because that is something that I know a lot of people complain of what, you know, that back pain. And then when you also mentioned shingles, I thought that was interesting because a lot of times I don't think people think there's anything they can do for that painful shingles. I know someone who just had shingles and they went for like three weeks of excruciating pain. And, you know, they, they're really, I don't think they did anything for it. Others who lose a lot of sleep.

There's so many conditions the lasers can help. Matter of fact, some of the lasers have free programs in there for over 3,000 conditions that can be treated. Different protocols, specific wavelength, specific power, specific amount of time to really initiate that reparative and that regenerative process. Wow, 3,000. Sometimes, you know, it's so hard to imagine that there's that many or more things that are wrong. We're doing some clinical trials in the office right now, just our own, you know, little inside studies on a couple of patients that suffer from tinnitus.

All right, the ringing and the humming in the ears. we have one patient that is a former rock and roller of a very, very famous band that everybody knows, but I can't say due to hippo regulations, but he suffers from chronicinitis from all that loud music. And so far, we've really had very good results getting rid of what's called a hyperaccusis. I think that's how you pronounce it. Hyperacusus. and that's like if somebody drops a fork or something, you know, they get this like, really like this shock.

Like, you know, it's just so loud to them. It's really very debilitating, you know, to them. And also the humming and the, you know, the ringing in the ear has diminished. Still has it. And it gets worse when he's under a lot. of stress, but that's what we were talking earlier, right, how stress can aggravate things, but it still has been diminished, you know, and, you know, we're still working on it. I have another patient that just started with me that we're also testing, you know,

on tinnitus. And after about three or four treatments, he's already told me that it's less frequent, you know, so with some of these conditions, you know, where I don't know if we're going to get 100% results. But if we can help somebody's quality of life by 30, 40, 50, 50, 60, 70%, I see that as a big win. It certainly is because the quality of your life is what everyone is after. And I imagine that ringing in the ears or the buzzing or the humming, I probably drive you literally nuts, you know, because it's just this constant. an invasion inside your head. I imagine that that has one of the more painful things that you might be going through.

Well, you know, a lot of the patients, Tammy, you know, again, if they have neuropathy and really, in the worst case peripheral neuropathy is an amputation. So, you know, if that's not bad enough, worst case scenario for tinnitus is suicide because they can't take it. They can't take that ringing and that humming. It drives them nuts. So, you know, that's the worst. So we're looking at conditions that really, you know, where laser can make a huge impact on someone's life. They're even being tested right now on the brain for dementia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, with very, very promising results. Well, that's good because as we get older, you know, we don't really know what,

we're looking at and it's good to know that there's people are working on things to make your older years a lot better so with with that so you can class four laser it's you're doing your own clinical trials how much science is there backing up class four lasers there is a ton you know published studies, studies coming out all the time when I was talking to you about tinnitus, a really interesting study, double-blind placebo-controlled study came out, you know, showing efficacy of laser and tinnitus. You know, there's so many studies on so many different conditions and there's going to be a lot more because I really believe that we're moving in healthcare, from a health care system that's been historically based on chemistry to health care that's

going to be based on energy. I mean, just think about it. You know, it's kind of interesting how, you know, when you think about all these, like, TV shows we used to watch, you know, things like Star Trek, right? What did Dr. McCoy used to use to heal, to heal tissue? A little red light. He had a little red light. He would shine on it.

And it would heal. All right? I mean, that's probably because, you know, when they, when they create these futuristic, you know, movies, they probably look at things like popular science and they look at, like, what is going to be next. And they were really on target with that. Okay. So, you know, we're definitely moving towards more energy-based medicine than chemistry. You know, there's laser beds right now.

I would say they're not really, they're laser, but they're light. based, okay? It's phototherapy, photobiomodulation. They use LED, not laser, so it's not as powerful. Not the red light therapy? Yeah, but it immerses your body with actually, you know,

healthy red light. Yes, I actually experienced that and I definitely felt better. I had traveled from Florida where I live at sea level to Denver you know, and I was definitely feeling just the effects of that elevation difference. And I actually, somebody said, well, don't you go ahead and lay down with this red laser? And I did, and I definitely felt better.

Yeah. I was really thankful that I had that opportunity because I really was feeling just off, you know, real heavy and everything. So I think that's true. but it's interesting when you bring up the energy and all of the foreshadowing that are science fiction movies or shows like Star Trek. Because, you know, if you remember when they used to talk to the people on the different planets on the big screen, that's basically what we're doing right now is they, you know, as we're using a Zoom tool to talk to one another. The Apple Watch, right?

I make phone calls for my watch, Dick Tracy, right? Yeah, so, you know, I mean, technology is just getting, you know, better and better. And I really feel like a lot of the approaches that we currently use are, in a sense, barbaric, you know, and antiquated. And we have to look at, you know, working with the body's own ability to heal, to function, to regenerate, to repair. Maybe we need to help it along. Okay. But, I mean, you didn't wake up this morning, Tammy, and say, well, you know, I'm going to be up for about 12 hours. I better wind up my heart for about, you know, for the rest of the day and pump some air into my lungs.

And, you know, I better, you know, make sure my liver's, you know, doing thousands of functions. You know, the body is a self-healing, self-organizing, self-maintaining system. Okay? It's a very intelligent system. and all we're doing is we're just adding some energy to it to help it along. We're not taking anything out. You know, I don't believe that if anybody was born with, you know, a lack or deficiency of medication, a deficiency. Are you, you know, when somebody has a headache, are they deficient in Tylenol?

You know, so they need Tylenol because they're deficient? No, there's something that's causing the headache. We should get to the root cause, right? They also don't think that we were born with too many body parts. All right. So it's okay to start taking parts out. Yeah, let's just get rid of that gallbladder. Okay, you don't need it.

There's cases where people do need surgery. There's cases where people do benefit from medication. Okay, but I just think that there's just abuse and there's just too much. Okay. I had a friend that I was walking with another friend of mine, and he was telling us that he's having his gallbladder removed. You know, when I was walking with the other friend, you know, and he was just talking to us. And my other friend's a doctor. And we were like, well, why?

Because, well, I just haven't been feeling good lately, you know, and they're not sure what's wrong with me. So I think they should just remove my gallbladder. And he was so matter of fact about it. And his name was Barry. Barry, do you not think that the gallbladder is there for reason? You know, it's not so inflamed right now or it's not obstructed. There's not an issue where it's an emergency. Why are you okay with them taking out a body part of yours?

And then I was with my other friend who is a doctor, and he said the same thing. So now Barry was basically confused. He's like, I can't believe both you were telling me this. I was about to get this procedure done next week. And he called his doctor and said, let's hold off on that. He's fine right now. All right. You know, his body healed.

You know, so, so, you know, there are times we need to, you know, take extreme measures. I'm not saying we don't. But we really should always be looking at, you know, the least invasive measures first before we go extreme. And unfortunately, a lot of patients will come to my office. after they've already had surgery, we get so many, for instance, knee replaced, post-knee replacement, post-shoulder replacement, they're still having pain. Okay? So I help them, but what we also do is help patients to avoid it in the first place.

I had one patient come to me an issue. She was supposed to have a reverse shoulder replacement surgery. She was scheduled three weeks from the day she entered the office. And two weeks later, she canceled the surgery. Because she said, I now have my activities of daily life back. I can reach over to my night table. I'm not in any pain. Why am I rushing for surgery?

Now, she still had degeneration and decay in her shoulder. I don't doubt that. But she didn't have any pain or discomfort, and it wasn't influencing her negatively in her daily life. So she didn't want to have the surgery. I had another patient driving three hours to the office each way to avoid hip surgery because he was told by a couple orthopedic surgeons he did hip surgery. And he was able to avoid the hip surgery.

Okay? So we have a saying, ditch the drugs and skip the scalpel. You know, that's our mission. And that's the mission with the group, you know, that we created, you know, with laser to, you know, help the patients to avoid drugs and surgery if it's possible. okay and in many cases I'd say most cases that we've seen you know it really is and then there's cases that need to take more extreme measures and that's okay well I think that's what makes it really important is like you said earlier every person is different and for some people they don't need to do the surgery or take the drugs this could help them to get their body back

recharge their body and other people maybe they do need to go the other route but they but why wouldn't we all want to look at all of our options and make the best decision for it for our own so there's also go ahead oh that's okay well i was going to say it's just also a lot of personal responsibility there too you know for instance if somebody is really going to look at their nutrition and their exercise and the rest of rejuvenation and their emotional well-being and they're actually going to put some time an effort into that, then they're going to get better results. But if somebody just expects, you know, someone from the outside to make them healthy and they're still going to eat the French fries and onion rings and, you know, the unhealthy fast food every day and they're not

going to exercise and they watch, you know, the news all day long of who robbed who and, you know, and all this negativity and they're not going to do anything to, you know, help themselves, you know, then they become, you know, victims and victims of the system. And those are the patients that, you know, they're not willing to do whatever it takes to be healthy. And, you know, those are more of the patients, you know, that will have to move towards drugs and surgery. The other patients that have to move towards drugs and surgery, obviously, if it's a crisis or it's a trauma, you don't come to my office for laser. You know, that's where we have the best system in the world for emergency care.

Okay. But our best patients, our best results are patients that take personal responsibility, that, you know, that, you know, exercise and again are into nutrition and positive, you know, emotions and, you know, really are active participatory. participants in their care. Okay? You know, too many people give that up to somebody else. They don't take personal responsibility.

And then there's the patients that we, you know, that also sometimes we can inspire, you know, inspire to make some of those positive changes. They realize that it's their personal, you know, their personal responsibility to be healthy. That all makes a lot of sense. So if somebody wants to reach out to you, what's the best way to do it? Yeah, well, they call the office. It's in Plantation, Florida, 954, 423, 0-0-20. And they can always email. My last name is Hannibal. So it's the email address is DR and then H-A-N-O-P-O-L-E at g-mail.com. or again, 954, 423, 0,020, and we're always happy to provide a consultation with a patient.

Let's first determine, you know, what the issue is and can we help you? That's the key. And if we don't think that we can help, we'll give you guidance in terms of other directions to go, other options, you know, that may make a lot of sense. because, you know, I'm not going to take on a patient if I don't think that I can help. Well, that makes a lot of sense, and I really appreciate that. Before I let you go, do you have anything else you'd like to add? Well, I thank you for having me on today. Thank you.

You know, we're really building a movement to help people to ditch the drugs and skip the scalpel. if anybody, you know, hears this, and they're looking for someone to provide laser to them that may not be in plantation Florida, they can go to the website, Relief Now Laser, that's L-A-S-E-R, ReliefNowLaser.com. And there's a directory on there with a lot of, you know, forward thinking, tuned in, turned on, you know, doctors, that want to help people to ditch the drugs and skip the scalpel. And that's a national directory, actually international at this point, okay, where you can find a doctor that, you know, maybe more convenient. Now, we've had patients come to us fly in from Bahamas, Jamaica, Haiti, Canada, drive three hours to the office. You know, so patients will travel, you know, for the treatment because we really provide a special service.

But we have practitioners all over the country at ReliefNowlaser.com that they can find and they're going to get the same level of service that we provide in our office. Okay. Also, just my website for our office is ReliefNowlaserplantation.com. Relief now laser plantation. And if you want to check it out, go look at Reliefdownlaser.com. And there's a nationwide or worldwide directory of doctors who are very well versed in class four laser methods and they can help you. And again, Dr. Rob, I really appreciate your time. This is Tammy Patser and this is Optimal Health.

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