Business Innovators Radio - Focusing on Women’s Fitness

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

As women, we have focused far too long on calorie counting and hitting the elliptical to battle the scale. But the truth is, Women’s Fitness is more than just the numerical balancing act we’ve been fed through fad diets and expensive exercise equipment.In this episode, Angela and Dr. Dan focus on Women’s Fitness, tackling some of the common misconceptions about “bulking up”, cardio and everything in between. Angela, an ACE Certified Personal Trainer discusses the benefits of resistance training and how it can improve function and positively impact muscle strength and weight loss. If you’re wondering why your workout isn’t working for you, this episode will point you in the right direction!To learn more about this and other hot health topics, follow us on social media and subscribe to our WTH podcast. If you have a specific health question or would like to find out if we can help you with a personal health challenge, check out our office page or contact us at 412-369-0400/[e-mail] always, our mission is to help you Get Healthy and Stay Healthy for a Lifetime!What the Health?!https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/what-the-health/Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/focusing-on-womens-fitness

Welcome to What the Health, where anything health is fair game as we tackle the trends and bust the myths about health and wellness. Here are your hosts, Dr. Dan and Angela Toro. And welcome to another episode of What the Health I am, Dr. Dan, here with my co-host. Angela, welcome back, everyone. As you guys know, we're here for informational purposes only and no way offering individualized medical advice. Always talk to your trusted health care provider before making changes to your lifestyle. So with that being said, all right, today we're talking about women's fitness. So we're heading into, I guess, May is women's health month.

I can't keep track of all the things. I know. It changes every year, I feel like, too. So they tell me, I'm like, okay. They keep adding more, right? It's like every year or something gets added to a month or a day. So I'm like, I don't know, for women, I feel like every month is women's healthless. Well, I had to chuckle when you said we're talking about women's fitness because I was like,

Because I have so much experience. Exactly. You are definitely an expert now. But yeah, just, you know, touching base on some of the myths for, you know, what women think or are afraid or just some common myths or misconceptions. And then really why, you know, we should be focusing, I mean, everybody, but especially women, why it's so important to focus your, your fitness endeavors in certain directions.

Because, again, it's, you know, I've definitely, noticed a shift, which is good. I'm seeing a lot more women at the gym, lifting and doing different things. You know, it's, I laugh because like, you know, probably 10 years ago when you were in the gym, it was like the cardio equipment. It was all the women. And then the weights was all men. And it definitely is starting to see a shift now. Yes. And so it's good that people are realizing, oh, okay, I need a, I need both. Yeah, it's both and, and not either or. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, think that's one of the big misconceptions is that, you know, a lot of the times women think, um, and again, why, I don't know why it's women, but, you know, women, we have this pressure in

society to, you know, be a certain size or, you know, that constant, you know, lose weight, lose weight, lose weight. And, uh, cardio was always the thing that was kind of shoved, uh, as, as far as, you know, get out and run and, you know, run and bike and, you know, do all of this, you know, intense cardio to lose weight. Was about how many, how many calories you were. to burn, right? Because again, they went to the simple equation, which it does, you know, have some validity, calories in, equal calories, you know, out. And if your calories out equal or is greater than your calories in, then you're going to lose weight. Exactly. Yeah. That's the simple

equation. And at the end of the day, that is in fact how it works to an extent. Yeah. I mean, and again, you know, you do burn a lot of calories, you know, if you're out doing, yeah, doing long. Yeah, I mean, I went out into the 30-mile bike ride the other day. I burned 1,700 calories. Yeah, that's fantastic. You know, but the thing is, well, that one I probably was using a lot of muscle, too, because it was very hilly. But if you're thinking about cardio, you're really,

the calories that you're burning, you're burning during that activity. Versus when you're doing things that are activating the muscles, so the weightlifting or even the high-intensity interval trainings where you're doing more explosive movements, you're getting that muscle involvement, muscle is much more metabolically active. So that is actually, you may not burn as many calories during the actual exercise time, but overall you're going to end up burning more because that muscle is going to continue to use energy as it recovers during that recovery process.

And that's a big thing that in general, we've seen a shift towards, you know, people realizing that, you know, resistance training is really, really important for where weight loss and and actually maintenance of weight loss. That's the big thing too is, you know, once you, anyone who's ever struggled with their weight or had their weight fluctuate knows that once you lose weight, it just feels so much harder to keep that weight off. And if you do gain it back, it's that much harder to lose at the second time. And it just becomes your body kind of going into that, you know, that kind of survival

mode where it's like, no, stop. Yeah, stop taking this. Stop taking these storage sources from me. So the muscle actually helps a lot more with maintaining of that weight loss than the, you know, the hours and hours of cardio where, I mean, that's very beneficial for the heart, the lungs, and all of that. But the muscle, the metabolically active muscle is so important. Really with that kind of long term weight maintenance, weight loss, and maintenance of weight loss.

So that's one of the big misconceptions that, again, I'm definitely noticing a shift. But yeah, there was definitely a time there where it just seemed like women were like, oh, well, you know, if I want to lose weight, I got to go run. You got to go run. That was where it always seemed to the mindset always seemed to go to. Which, again, nothing against running. Yeah. But if you are overweight and trying to run, that's a significant amount of pressure on your joints.

Absolutely. coming from it, from a chiropractic perspective, you know, if you are out of alignment and overweight and trying to do something like running, which is very high impact, you talk about this significant amount of stress on the lower back, the SI joints, the hips, the knees, the ankles, you know, the bones and the feet, like all of that, you know, has this chain, this connection, you know, from where you strike the ground with your foot all the way up through the body and all the way up through the spine. So, you know, you can have, you can have shoulder pain from running because of, you know, some sort of, you know, something out in the chain, you know, from the foot all the way up the leg through the body to the head.

So, you know, it's important to understand that, you know, although running can be beneficial, it's not your best target. And just to reiterate what you said, you know, when your muscle is metabolically active, when it is being utilized, right? So our muscle, whereas a lot of tissue, if you have like a ligament or a tendon that tears and you, you know, have like, you know, some inflammation, you have like a, you know, mild sprain or something at the ligament level, you know, you had a tear that you could talk about that you've struggled with for years. You know, when a ligament tears, it's really, really hard for the body to recover that injury. It is doable, but it's very, very difficult. muscle is literally designed to, you know, when you are working out to the point of fatigue, okay, it is designed to have these small micro tears in it. And that's actually, you know, the old, the old saying, you know, I mean, decades ago used to be like,

oh, you know, I've got that, you know, muscle soreness because I'm building up that lactic acid. But I even talked about, you know, 20 years ago and, well, maybe 15 years ago in my undergrad program, And we talked about it's not necessarily the lactic acid that's causing the pain. It's the micro tears and the muscle that's actually causing the pain. Because what's happening is you're breaking down those muscle fibers, which they're designed to do. And then those proteins are going to, you're going to get a higher density of protein that builds back after it breaks down. And so that process of breaking down the muscle and then building back new proteins, that is what, takes a lot of energy for the body to be able to recover that muscle.

And so that is what, you know, you might be burning calories during your workout because you're getting your heart rate up and you're sweating a little bit. But it's the recovery of the breaking down of that muscle and building it back up that the body requires a lot of energy. So whether it gets that energy from, you know, what you currently have in its glycogen stores or if you're working out in a fasted state, then it's grabbing it from the liver or, you know, you're in, you know, such a, you know, a good, you know, ketogenic breakdown where you're actually, you know, burning fat. It's good. The body's going to get that energy from somewhere to recover

that muscle. And so whether it's getting it from your sugar stores or your fat stores, it's going to find that energy and utilize it to recover and build back the muscle. So I think that's very, very important for people to understand, especially women, because if you want to continue to burn calories long after your workout, you know, a day or two later, then resistance training is an absolute must. And resistance training to the point of you're actually a little bit sore the next couple days, right? And that's why when people come in and, you know, they talk to me about like, oh, I'm like sore, you know, they point. They get all their aches and pains, right? And it's like, okay, well, talk to me about what you were doing.

Like, well, this time of year, like, well, I was out pulling weeds in my garden for four hours. And it's like, okay, well, if I was doing that, I'd be sore too. Like, you know, a little bit of muscle soreness is not a bad thing. In fact, people who are well versed in it, you know, we crave it, right? Yeah. We love it. We like, love that little bit of like, oh, man, it's hard to, like, sit down on the toilet or something and get back up. We had a whole podcast on that.

Yeah. It was like the, yeah, that earned soreness versus an actual injury or something. Yeah. So with that understanding of breaking down the muscle and building it back up, why don't you talk about, you know, one of the misconceptions, especially for women, is, oh, I don't want to bulk up, you know, because I don't, you know, because you've got, you know, you look at a bodybuilding med and, you know, men in the gym or just, you know, maybe maybe the bodybuilding women now because that's, I mean, good Lord.

They're big, but there's still nowhere compared to, you know, the male counterpart. part, but talk about, you know, this idea that if I, you know, lift weights, I'm going to bulk up. Yeah. And that, again, that's just another common misconception that, again, comes from, especially now with social media and just all of this stuff all over the place. Yeah, really, that is, for the average person that is lifting, you know, three times a week, that you're, you're not, especially women, you're just not going to bulk in that way. That is the, result of a very specifically designed type of exercise regimen that is extreme, you know, loading and progression coupled with an extreme diet.

And I mean, I'm talking, yeah, like, the excess of calories. And it's funny because if you've ever seen a bodybuilder, like not during competition training, they look awful. No offense of your bodybuilder, but I mean, it is like they might look, you know, a physique of a certain way, but as far as. far as I say, I mean, I would put an MMA fighter against the bodybuilder any day, and I would take that easily take the MMA fighter who some of those guys don't look all that, you know,

all that jacked. But there, so it's the, again, the look of the muscle doesn't necessarily equate with the strength. For health in general, what we always talk about. And that, like, yes, you were going to build muscle. But one, how much of that muscle is going to depend on your body type for, for women. And I mean, again, I, if I lift and lift regularly, I do start to have more defined muscle, but it's still in no way like, you know, it's not like her, you know, it's just.

The Hulk. Yeah, it's not Hulk. And for me, it's like, I like, I don't get, like, that's how, like, I don't, I don't get thin. I get toned. And that's just what works for my body. And, you know, but if you're somebody who has that real kind of thin, you know, naturally thin frame. You're,

especially as a woman, like you're not going to, you know, bulk out by lifting some weights. What you're going to do is you're going to build up the strength of those muscles, which is going to make,

I mean, you think about it, if you're a runner, you need strong legs to run long distances. So, and yes, you're going to build those muscles

by running. Yeah. But you, you know, by adding in some resistance training, you're going to also protect the joints and all of those things. Again,

if you're, if you're a woman trying to lose weight and you're afraid that, you know, oh, well, I don't, you know, muscles heavier. Well, yes, that's true. But you also want to think about if your goal is to lose weight, I'm guessing it's not really the number on the scale. It's more how you feel your clothes, how you feel when you look in the mirror, how you feel when you see you're in pictures, like all of these things. So by building up muscle, by getting more tone, one, like we just talked about, it's going to help burn fat, which is really what we say. When we say we want

to lose weight, we want to lose fat. It's we don't necessarily, you know, It's not, again, unless you're in some kind of weight class sport where you have to hit a certain number. Overall, the number on the scale is more of a guide than a hard and fast, you know, hard and fast rule. But yeah, really just you're going to get, you're going to get toned. You might, you know, feel stronger. But overall, it's just going to help things, you know, it'll help your skin look tighter and more tone. It'll help, you know. Overall, it will just kind of help you, you know, feel better.

feel, you know, feel stronger. But yeah, you're not going to get jacked like that by doing a basic resistance training. That is especially the women that you see. I mean, they are following crazy regimens. They are probably, we're definitely taking some kind of supplement, whether it's a legal or not. But definitely taking crazy supplementations. Very, very strict diet. Very strict diet.

Yeah. Because they're basically, they're literally biohacking. their bodies into, you know, getting to that optimal level of, you know, physical, of physique. Yeah. It's just, it's just unattainable under, you know, natural normal diet. Yeah. I mean, I've seen, I've seen some tiny women at the gym lift some very impressive weight. And you wouldn't, like, by looking at them, I mean, you wouldn't be like, oh, wow, that's, you know, she's jacked.

Yeah. You know, she's just strong. Yeah. So it's. Well, yeah, you get, you get into. like strength has a lot more to do, um, a lot less to do with the size of the muscle as it does with the density.

Exactly. So you can have a very, very dense muscle. Cause when you actually like, if you actually, you know, dissect the muscle and look at it under, you know,

a microscope and you're seeing all the tiny five, uh, fibers, uh, that make it up. Because essentially you take a muscle and it's just made up of long, long strings of, you know,

fibers that are, you know, these proteins, um, you know, that make up the consistent. since you have a muscle. So the more dense it is, in theory, the stronger you're, you know, the stronger you're going to be. So, you know, women especially, the more you lift, you know,

you're going to probably build up more density of the muscle, not the actual hypertrophy or the size of the muscle. So, and that goes from men too. Like you mentioned like, you know, and you should reiterate that, you know, coming to the realization of what your body type is is very, very important. And a lot of times we figure that out when we're a young age and, you know, middle school, high school, especially if we were trying to do some sports or something, you start to, you know, you start to move or merge towards the sport that your body is kind of built for. Like, you were never going to be a distance. Oh, God, now. But, yeah. And I wasn't either. Like, I hate, you know, I, you know, I ran, but like, you know, I did one marathon in my life.

And I'm like, never again. I just, I can't. But then we have some patients to come in and do these, you know, distance trail running that, you know, it's 20, 30, you know, 50 miles. And it's like, and they love that. Like, we'll hike that long. I would think about that on my 30 mile bike ride. I'm like, oh my God, there's people running this. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. But coming to that realization. And again, maybe you need to, you know, work with a health professional to, you know, if you don't really understand what your actual body type is because that that body type will have a big impact for, you know, that number that you're going to hit on the scale. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, what would, you know, someone who's, you know, maybe five, you know, a woman who's,

you know, five, six, you know, or five five, and they want to be at, you know, a 20 to 20 to 25 percent body fat percentage? What would that number actually look like, you know, for that individual? And again, based on whether they're more muscle or, you know, what they call mesomorph versus ectomorph, like, you know, that might be very, very different. Yeah. You know, your 20% body fat at your height is going to look very, very different weight-wise on a scale than someone who's more of an ectomorff. So, and we're back, sorry for that quick pause there. Just technical difficulties.

Love technology. Yes, anyway. That would have been a great pause for like an ad. I know, right? That's what I was saying. I was like, brought to you by. But yeah, so, yeah, so we're just, yeah, talking about body types and how that really, you know, trying to work with your body type more so than fight it. And again, if you naturally have the type of body composition that is more prone to putting on muscle, then yes, you will.

But still as a, like, as a woman, you're not going to pack on the. muscle in the same way. Again, if that's your goal, there are definitely ways to do it. But I'm talking about just the average person going to the gym, working their muscles. You know, a couple times a week. You're not going to get quote unquote ripped. It's, but you are going to, it will help get, again, tone stronger. And just overall help with your overall health wellness and weight loss goals, if that is part of your goal. But you also brought up, I, some, you. you were talking about the muscle density and how exercising increases that muscle density.

And the other thing that we're realizing now and more and more, which is important for everyone, but even more so for women is not just the muscle density, but really it's the bone density that is the resistance training is really helping with. So we know that muscle and bone breakdown over time. Again, we are mortal beings. if no one's ever told you that. I hate to break it to you. Yeah.

Despite. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Spoiler. Despite humans best efforts to prolong, prolonged life, we are mortal beings and things will break down over time. We know that resistance training is one of the best things to help with muscle atrophy, the natural breakdown of muscle that happens over time. Yeah.

We always, yeah, we always talk about the difference between accelerated aging and graceful aging. Yes. Like, yes, there is some natural, you know, loss of muscle density and bone density over time. However, what is the natural normal versus what is accelerated, you know, due to disease and lifestyle choices? Yeah, I mean, think about it. Like, you know, we all know that, you know, 60 or 70 year old who is out there still, you know, running marathons in the gym, doing all this, you know, out hiking, having an active life versus

you know, we can all picture the 60 or 70-year-old that struggles to, you know, get in another car, get out of a flight of steps, you know, do their, you know, daily activities. And, you know, I feel like at 60 or 70, you should still be very well able to do those things. And then talk about if you're already struggling with those things at 60 or 70, what's 80 going to look like? What's 90s going to look like? I mean, our grandmother, it wasn't really until, you know, probably mid-80s that she really, and then I'd say probably even just the last. couple years since she hit 90 that, you know, really kind of showing her age. Yeah. But, you know, I always, you know, my memories of her were always, you know, the golfing and, you know, always, always, always active, always always up, always moving around, always, always,

always getting stuff. And, you know, that's, you know, that's what you want. You want to be able to do those things. And the resistance training is so important for that bone, you know, preventing that bone breakdown because that's one that, you know, once it's, you know, once it's gone, there's really not, there's really not a whole lot you can do. I mean, because if you get to the point, found this interesting article that was talking about the resistance training and how it's really good for building up the bone density. But the problem is if you wait until the point that your, your bones are so frail, like if you're in full on osteoporosis, trying to start a program like that can be dangerous.

Yeah. You know, we talked about, yeah, like if you're, you know, significantly overweight and you try to start running, that's putting a lot of strain on your body. Well, it's the same thing. If your bones and muscles are incredibly frail and then all of a sudden, now you're trying to do, you know, resistance program, it's not that it's impossible. There's always ways to, you know, to do those things in modified ways. But, you know, that's what we were talking about.

We know, it's talking about the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, next best times today. So you really want to think about, you know, it's like people our age that really want to be thinking about this. It's, you know, starting this program now so that you can prevent, slow down that, you know, get your muscles and bones as strong as possible in your 30s, 40s, 50s so that, especially for women, because again, we have the joys of our hormone cycle, not just the monthly cycle, but the life cycle, postmenopause, I mean, that just takes a huge toll on our overall health and the bones take a big hit from that hormone shift, which is why you see that big spike in osteopenia and osteoporosis and women postmenopause.

And that's, you know, the article that I was reading was really talking about the resistance training was the big thing that was really showing that it could help improve that bone density not just the muscle, you know, breakdown, but the bone density, which is, which is really just huge. And it was specifically a resistance exercise program. They said walking, which used to be thought that, okay, we'll just get out and walk. They were finding that it's not creating enough of the impact to help the bone density. So while it could be good for, again, heart health, it's not enough of the impact. Same with the swimming. You know, swimming's, great cardio. But it's not creating the impact on, to help with the bones. So it's one of those,

it's funny because, you know, we recommend that to people who have a lot of joint issues because you want, you know, it's a low impact exercise that you can do. But again, if your, if your goal is to, you know, kind of give yourself the best, best case of long term being able to move and function and prevent that muscle and bone breakdown, then you do need those impact exercises throughout your life to help be able to do that. Again, it's all about finding the way to do it that's safe for you and effective.

And, you know, again, if you're already dealing with those things, you can't just, you know, you don't want to just go jump into, jump into something. But that's why, you know, it's great if you can start those things now so that you don't get to the point that you're unable, to do them and then modify as you go. But yeah, it was just really interesting that they were saying, yeah, the walking and the swimming and all the stuff that we've been recommending for the older generation.

Again, not that it's bad, but it's not, it's not creating that, that positive effect on the muscles and bones that we were hoping it was. Yeah, and that's why, you know, it's, it really comes down to a scientific law. There's a, there's a law called Wolf's Law. and basically any bone that's under tension in a specific direction will lay down more bone in that area. And that has been very, very well documented in the scientific literature. So, you know, and one of the easiest ways to put attention on a bone is to stress a muscle because all muscles attach to bones through tendons.

So as you stress the muscle, it pulls on the bone and it literally then is going to stimulate the osteoblasts, which are bone cells to lay down more bone, you know, in that area of stress. So, yeah, hope is not lost. And, you know, I get inspired when I see, you know, I've seen a couple, you know, a couple of the, you know, internet phenoms of, you know, one or two women. that started bodybuilding or started like weightlifting, weight training, like not, you know, in their 50s. Yeah. And it's like you see some of the pictures in their 50s and they actually look like they're 80. And then you fast forward, now they're in their 80s and they've been, you know,

weightlifting for 30 years and now they look like they're in their 60s, you know, when they're actually in their 80s. And so, you know, when we talk about reversing the effects of aging, like that's exactly what we're talking about. Like, you know, no, I can't turn back the actual. time, but you can biologically turn back your clock because a lot of us are, you know, on this accelerated aging process because of the poor lifestyle choices, you know, or, you know, lack of, you know, lack of movement, lack of proper exercise.

So it is possible to reverse the effects of the aging process. And, you know, as you start to do this on a regular basis, you could be a very different. person a year, five years, a decade from now, if you start putting the proper, the proper systems in place, the proper programs in place to be able to, you know, strengthen the strength in the muscles, strengthen the bones and, you know, really change the whole dynamic of your body. And so, you know, whether you're in your, you know, weight 20s or 30s and starting to feel the effects of the aging process, you know, whether you're in your 40s or 50s, you know, whether you're in your 40s or 50s, and already have suffered a, you know, a chronic health condition.

You know, maybe you've been diagnosed with cancer. Maybe you've been diagnosed with, you know, some sort of heart disease or, you know, blood sugar problem. It doesn't matter. Like, you have the ability to start to reverse those processes. All chronic disease takes, it's chronic for a reason. It takes time to build up. But guess what?

If the body went down that path in the first place, it has the ability to recover and reverse that process. But you need the proper systems in place. And that's what we do all the time, right? To help people put the right systems and programs in place in their daily routines to make sure that they are, you know, moving towards health, not towards more sickness and disease. And if you're, you know, if you're hearing the words resistance training or strength training and you're picturing, you know, the barbell and the massive amounts of weights, it's like it doesn't have to. be that. No, because gravity is free and it can work very much in your favor.

Resistance, resistance training, you know, is really just anything where, again, where you're putting that force against your muscle. So standing and doing a bodyweight squat, doing a push up against the wall, you know, anything where you're creating that. Again, there's been this shift now. I think for women especially noticing like the high intensity interval training, the thing. So I love kickboxing.

you're getting, it's a highly cardio, highly aerobic, but it also has incredible resistance because every impact with hitting the bag, kicking the bag is creating that resistance through the muscles as well. So things like that. I love kettlebell workouts, you know, use, again, working through a range of motion and you're just adding that little bit of extra weight is creating that resistance. So there are so many ways to work the muscles that are not just going and, you know, lifting each muscle group individually.

That absolutely counts. And that is a great form of resistance training. But if you're somebody that is like, well, I don't, I have no idea of like you walk into a gym and you're like a deer in headlights. And you just have no idea where to start. You know, that's really, that's one of the things we're so excited to be able to to now offer is that, you know, we have our shift space that's going to be opening here. And that's really one of the things that I'm so excited about as a, you know, certified personal training. being able to create programs that work for you no matter what it is, wherever you're starting, whatever your goals are.

And the, you know, the population I really love working with are those types of people that, you know, they're not the former athletes, they're not, you know, they're the average Joe who's maybe never really been much of a gym person and now is realizing like, oh, I need to like, I need to do something so that I can continue to feel better. and, you know, just feel better in my day-to-day life. And that's, you know, I, you know, not that, you know, I like working with people to have a specific, you know, maybe fitness goal. But really, I just, yeah, I love working with the people that are like, I just want to be able to, you know, get through my day better. I want to be able to, you know, enjoy my vacations, you know, go to go to Italy and be able to walk on the cobblestone and not feel like I'm going to fall over.

Yeah. I want to be able to get on the floor with my grandchildren, right? Exactly. Yeah. For 20 minutes and then be able to get back up. Exactly. Like that's, so like if any of that sounds like you, because that's the other thing too is I think people hear personal training and they're like, oh, that's, you got to be like, like they're going to try to get you to be some crazy,

crazy athlete. No, that's personal. It's whatever you, yeah, we take where you are. We take where you want to be and we figure out how to get you there. And so that's, yeah, very excited to be able to be offering that in addition to all the other things that we do here to, to really help get you healthy and stay healthy. healthy for life because that is ultimately what we are here for. Yeah. And yeah, so really just, you know, women, we, like everything in life, we have unique, unique experiences.

So ultimately, you know, don't fear, don't fear the strength training. Don't fear, you know, the weight room or the resistance. And it's one overall going to help your overall health, weight loss goals, if that's your goal. you're not going to get super jacked just by doing a basic basic exercise regimen. And in the long run, it's going to be one of the best things you can do for your muscles, your bone, and just help again. And wait. Weight, yeah, absolutely.

And just getting to a point where you feel like you can move freely and, you know, without the aches and the pain. And again, a little bit of muscle soreness, big difference between that and actual joint pain. Exactly. Breaking down. Exactly. So, yeah, that is, that was our focus for today was our women's fitness. And we'll have a lot more information on women's health throughout the month of May in the office.

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