Business Innovators Radio - Interview with Miriam Divinsky, Ph.D. Author of “Playing The Game Of Life And Business To Win-the Search For Truth And Enlightenment”

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

Miriam is a business and personal coach who helps her clients synchronize their inner and outer lives.She helps her clients to synchronize their business, “Outer Game of Success,” with their “Inner Game of Success,” with who they really are.The synchronization of these two games of life allows her clients to live their professional lives with success and fulfillment and their personal lives with fulfillment and joy.Miriam Divinsky has been featured in “Who’s Who National Registry” and “Who’s Who in American Women.”She is listed in “America’s Best Therapists.”Connect with Dr. Miriam Divinsky – https://miriam360.com/Influential Entrepreneurs with Mike Saundershttps://businessinnovatorsradio.com/influential-entrepreneurs-with-mike-saunders/Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/interview-with-miriam-divinsky-ph-d-author-of-playing-the-game-of-life-and-business-to-win-the-search-for-truth-and-enlightenment

Welcome to influential entrepreneurs, bringing you interviews with elite business leaders and experts, sharing tips and strategies for elevating your business to the next level. Here's your host, Mike Saunders. Hello and welcome to this episode of Influential Entrepreneurs. This is Mike Saunders, the authority positioning coach. Today we have with us Miriam Dovinsky, who's the author of Playing the Game of Life and Business to Win, the Search for Truth and Enlightenment. Miriam, welcome to the program. So happy to be here. Well, I am really excited to talk with you because this book looks so wonderful because it really is

something that when you're playing a game, it should be something that you recognize that there are steps and strategies and there is steps and strategies in life and business. So I think it's so powerful that you're going to approach this topic. So before we get into your book and some of the techniques in there, give us a little bit of your background and your story. Well, I came to United States from Moscow. I had a happy life, defended my PhD, had a wonderful job, beautiful apartment, and everything was just great. Until the moment that my neighbor who was working in military intelligence, which I even didn't know at the moment,

took me for a book and said, Miriam, you have to leave. I didn't even understand to live what, to live for what reason. And he explained to me that she is a person who works in military intelligence. He was in a KGB for his own business, and my file was by God's mercy in front of him.

And he strongly suggests that I live the country. Thank God for the United States of America Constitution had the 27th Amendment, by which I was allowed to come in. I come in. I taught Russian in the University of Pennsylvania, Drexel and Temple, and start taking classes in psychology, because my PhD is obviously in Eastern psychology. and, you know, you're a doctor, but that's about where it ends.

You just cannot have a private practice until you have American degree. I transfer myself to New York University. And again, by God's grace, what admitted to graduate school, given a scholarship, was a co-teacher of psychology. And after I finished my graduate education in Z, for years in years. years I sold real estate because AT&T and Bell Lab split at the time of my graduation and just was no job available. Eventually, I have a son being 43 years old, so it again postponed the beginning of practice for several years. And then Alex went to kindergarten and I finally

open the practice. I got in the best therapist in America very, very quick, doing hypnosis. I was a diplomat and a fellow of clinical hypnotherapy. Did past life regressions, life between life regressions before or before by casual conversation with a girlfriend, I was introduced to dowsy. And it was so incredible. fascinating for me what you can do with pendulum and how natural life was in it that I actually devote a lot of time and a lot of effort to learning this technology. And by now,

I do believe that I, you know, can offer something that is so fascinating and incredible and useful that it eventually was a reason for writing the book. I need to say thank you to Ray Perez who for three years was, you know, encouraging me to put all this, what I'm doing with him and other corporate plans interwriting. With ideas. I want to get into dowsing, but it made me think of a question as you were giving that introduction. What differences in where you're learning in psychology from Russia to your learning how the U.S. approach is psychology? But back when you started teaching in Tennessee and then moved to New York, did you notice big differences in the ways that U.S. approached psychology versus what you were taught in Russia?

Yes. I taught in University of Pennsylvania, I taught Russian and start taking classes in psychology. And it was completely evident to me a very big different between European style of education and American style of education. To make a situation a little funny, my American colleagues would always ask, Miriam, how do you know about that? How know about this? And to me, it was just, you know, in Moscow or, you know, the education and environment is such that it's very encyclopedic. you know, a lot of things around what you're specializing it.

In NYU, New York University, I experienced very different approach. People really know absolutely to the smallest detail. Everything that they may to know about what they're specializing gets versus the, you know, broad field of psychology where it fits. Both approaches have their pros and cons. And I was very, very lucky to experience both of them. And again and again, American education in psychology, specifically University of Pennsylvania and New York University is very impressive. Yeah.

It's very, very, you know, I already had, you know, a doctorate and I still learned a lot in debt. Well, we should all be learning every single day. There's never a time that we all just arrive. So just constant and never-ending improvement. I think that is really great. So you took your traditional approach from your psychology learning from Russia and you're learning in the U.S. and you're teaching. And, you know, interestingly enough, when we teach people something, we tend to learn it even better and better and better ourselves.

So probably you started noticing that plus working with clients and patients and probably your methodology. and strategy started coming to the surface, which is why you started thinking, you know, let's get this down into this book, playing the game of life and business to win the search for truth and enlightenment. So you mentioned dowsing. And for me, before I met you, I had never heard of that word. So let's talk about that. What is dowsing? Well, this is a very good question. there is several definitions of dowsing

and the depths of how people understand dousing depends on how they understand their reality of life so in brilliant book dousing the ultimate guide for the

21st century Elizabeth Brown gives two definitions of dowsing one of them belongs to Henniel Mueller who is a dowser. And it is dowsing has undergone a paradigm shift from the useful but relatively mundane science of finding water sources, lumps of metal and all drains

to the realms of the spiritual search into the mysteries of human consciousness and its relationship with the earth. And dousing is a conscious attunement to the field of consciousness that non-locally connects each and every one of us with the cosmos as a whole.

And this is Jude Curivan, Ph.D., cosmologist and dous. Dr. Susan Schumski, Dr. Susan Schumski, the reality is that pendulum and other dousing tools are excellent methods of communication with the voice of God.

My definition of dowsing is its active, spiritual dowsing is a technology in which the focused intent of an experienced dowser can create a desirable change in the client's reality through the non-local transfer of energy. It can be done regardless of the distance between the dowser and the glat. Well, let me just suggest a possible explanation of how dowsing works. years ago, I endorsed the book, Dowsing Beyond Duality by Coven and Coven. And it's a brilliant book if people want to land dowsing.

And in that book, that is a definition. The spin of the pendulum creates a vortex which act as a transformational portal to other dimensions. So the spin you make with your pendulum may actually be taking your intent or thought for. and facilitating an outcome in a non-physical dimension first that will later manifest in this dimension. You know, one of the greatest advantages of Dowsey

is that we can know truth from falsehood. This is an incredible gift. Dr. David Hawkins, author of The Power v. Force and several other books on a map of consciousness wrote the human affliction has been one of ignorance. All the great avatars,

Krishna, Christ and Buddha say there is only one sin, only one problem, and that is ignorance. So to resolve the truth from falsehood, we can use classic doubts, which allows us to resolve

yes and no. Okay. Now, one of the things you mentioned there is I love how you said your definition of dowsing is a technology, and I'm paraphrasing, but a technology to help someone change their reality through a transfer of energy. I love the word technology because people think the word technology is computers and circuits, but in reality, a technology is a set of systems and a process. Well, if dowsing is a technology and it helps enhance reality by a transfer of energy, that is something to look at as far as how can that be. And I think that energy science is a whole world. People don't typically understand, but everything is made up of energy. All matter is energy, vibrational and thought and things like that.

So talk a little bit more about that technology and how that relates to doubt. housing with the transfer of energy? Well, let's relate to how it works with the clients. Obviously, our success is the result of our actions. Our actions is a result of our mindset. Up to this point, everybody will agree. But what is really true and interesting, that our mindset is ruled by our unconscious.

In our unconscious, there is all fears, all unresolved crises, all developmental traumatic experiences, all false beliefs about money and everything else. Dowsing can release it. I can release it from my client. And transform this energy. into energy or positive alternatives to these beliefs. Look what's happening.

It changed everything, including our emotional life. Our emotions is a result of our expectation, meeting our perception. Our expectations are in our unconscious mind. perception and what we believe is what we see, what coming to us. The whole, you know, majority of therapists trying to help a client to change their perception, while I, with Dousin, thank God, can change their expectations. Why?

Because the expectations are in their unconscious, and they are driven by their fears, unresolved emotions, unresolved crises, everything unresolved. We don't know what we don't know. It's in our unconscious. If I can find it and release it and obviously, you know,

I have protocols to do it, then we change the expectation. Then what person perceives does not trigger the stress. So people stop reacting to the life. And we... That's a big, yes, that's a big point there.

If you can respond rather than react, then that makes a big change. Right. First of all, the person is not stressed. Second, the world is clear-minded and it can respond to reality instead of react to reality. You will have a look at what's that guru, famous guru now arrives. He says karma stops when you stop reacting and begin. in responding, the grace comes in. And absolutely spiritual

dowsing can do that. We can absolutely erase, release all non-beneficial content of the unconscious. It takes time, but it absolutely can be done. And transform it to its opposite. Installing baseline of self-love, self-esteem,

self-worths, all positive things that we can only imagine. And is it accurate to think that when you are wondering about a question or direction and then you are working with a client with dousing, that the answer is in their subconscious, they just don't know it's there, and you are helping to look for that, release it, And then that's where that pendulum comes in. Absolutely. Absolutely. But the definition of Dr. Schumski says that it's a way to hear the voice of God.

My understanding is that because I am experienced dowser, I connect to the very deep part of my client's super conscious mind, which I would say high self. And when they ask a question, I challenge. their higher self-answer. This is why my corporate clients not only do sessions, but in between have a lot of, you know,

questions should they fire, should they hire, should they go to that meeting or this meeting, whatever, whatever the question is. What is the percent of benefit of doing that and this? What is the financial benefit of doing that and this? How can I answer this question? I channel the highest. And I think some people would understand

this definition of what is Dowsend, and then say why douse? And I think that's a broad question because there's a lot of applications like what you were just saying is it connects to what's already in your subconscious, but you don't know that. So what are some thoughts around

why someone should use this technology? Look, what was happening before spiritual dowsing? I was normal psychotherapist. I did it myself. What we tried to do with the question. client is to change their point of view, make client aware of the unconscious program. And then, you know, as Dr. Schapner wrote, it can take years of reflection, introspection, and difficult conversation with others to come to understanding of yourself and finding your way.

This is why, you know, normal psychotherapy takes considerable amount of time and not necessarily very successful. And it was true until spiritual dowsing, open a different reality of communication with a client, high self, with a deep, super conscious mind. Yes, it is there, but client does not have access to it. So let's look about how new knowledge can be assimilated by a person. There is a very famous empty-your-cup conversation. And it's a scholar-top person who was full of knowledge and opinions about

Harma comes to Rytham, the Zen master, and ask about Zen. At one point, Wrighton refilled his guest tea cup, but did not stop pouring when the cup was full. He spilled out and ran over the table. Stop. The cup is full, said Tokusen. Exactly, said Master Ryten. You are like this cup.

You're full of ideas. You come and ask for teaching, but your cup is full. I cannot put anything in. Before I can teach you, you'll have to empty your cup. Now, to empty your cup is harder that you may seek. By the time we reach adulthood, we are full of information that we don't even know is there. In fact, everything we learn is filtered through many assumptions and believe that you already have in our unconscious mind. So according to Dr. Carl Young, until you make the unconscious, it will direct your life and you will call it faith.

Now, unconsciously, we'll learn something new by link it is with something we already know. It fails when new has a different frequency from the old, and that is in our unconscious. So this is why spiritual dowsy, that mind re-patterning is so incredible technology, because we can go to this unconscious, empty the cup, and fill it with new transformed concept that leads to different reaction to life, different reaction, different action in a business. So when I am hearing you say that, it made me think of a question. You know, you're, you don't know what you don't know. And then you become, you know, consciously conscious of things around you. So after working with the patient with several sessions of spiritual dowsing, is there a time that the person starts understanding themselves better?

And then when they have a question or concern about something in their life, they may not necessarily need as many more dowsing sessions because they've become more aware of how they operate because the dowsing has now brought to their awareness how they're wired. That is absolutely correct. Very often. Thank you. My client, who is with me for years, will say, hmm, isn't that interesting? What you just said, I thought so.

I was thinking about it in exactly the same way. So what is actually happening here is very, very important because they become the clients again with time. First of all, the unconscious functions completely differently. So the life is by intent versus by default. The law of attraction, law of manifestation, law of success, all works by intent. instead of by default. And they are beginning to build the bridge to their own super conscious mind,

to their own high self. And doesn't that then tie into, you hear the statement that people make, you know, know yourself. And I think that that almost is that bridge that you're talking about. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom, Aristotle, knows themselves, Socrates. She who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened without achieved. The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are, exactly to know that, that you are your own higher self,

which is a Christ consciousness and I am presence. And when people come to... And you mentioned Aristotle and Socrates, And I know in education, you would know this. The Socratic method is a strategic way of asking questions to bring about learning. Well, if you are approaching your own higher self and knowing yourself through a Socratic method of asking yourself questions, doesn't that help with what you're talking about there? It's just a constant never-ending loop of learning your own self. Correct.

Is that what enlightenment is? Enlightenment is to live in full understanding and in full experiencing of your herself. That's what enlightenment actually is. And what spiritual repaturning, mind rebuttoning, dowsing does, it brings you to that opportunity and brings you to actually be able to live heaven on earth. That what is Jesus, the Christ, the master said, the paradise, the heaven is inside of us.

This is where it is. It's in our ourselves. This has been such a great and enlightened conversation about what is dowsing and why and knowing yourself. You mentioned earlier about the pendulum. Can you talk a little bit more about the significance of the pendulum? And is it a, like for instance, can I just go down to the store and buy a pendulum and douse? probably not, but what is the significance of the pendulum and how does that work in the technology and technique? In fact, there are several divination devices. Pendulum is one of them. I do use pendulum

the most. For me, very often, I sort of, when I channel the client connected to his herself, I sort of already know the answer, but for me, the pendulum allows me to verify it. If you ask me the question, what is the financial benefit for me to do such and such? Then I need the pendulum to count. Is it 100% 95? If you need to hire somebody as an assistant and you would ask Miriam, you know, I would love to know integrity of this person, professionalism, the Hawkins standing on a Hawkins scale, that I need to doubt with pendulum because I count it mentally and pendulum will show me where to stop.

People who that mundane practice of dowsing, which all that started with when people were looking for a water, you know, they use a different device and the device from parallel,

they hold it in parallel, it will cross when they are over the water. So there are different devices. But The device is an extension of me. It's not, you just can't buy the pendulum and douse. You need to learn dowsy. You need to plan to get connected to your own higher self.

To higher self of your client, that's a dowsy. Everything else is just learning to douse. You know, I think that. Majority of people can do it. You know, let me just make an analogy. Can everybody play piano? Absolutely. Can everybody be Vladimir Horowitz playing Japan?

No. Right. Some people will, you know, be amateurs and can answer yes and no questions. And some people can go all the way and have a, it's a practice and a gift, both. I would say gift and a practice both. Yes, I love it. Well, it's so enlightened to learn from you. and thank you for coming on and teaching us about this really interesting topic and

is one of the main introductions of your book. So I'm looking forward to reading that when it is complete. So if someone is listening to this podcast interview and would like to learn more about yourself and how you work with people on dowsing and other things, what's the best way that they can reach out and connect with you? Miriam 360.com. That is very simple. Miriam360.com.

Right. And it's small M. It probably doesn't matter. Miriam 360.com. And I'll be very happy to connect. Excellent. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Miriam, it's been a real pleasure talking with you.

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