Business Innovators Radio - Liz Goll Lerner – Communication Expert – Mark Stephen Pooler

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Liz Goll Lerner is a distinguished communication expert, psychotherapist, life coach, author, speaker, and artist who leverages her deep credentials in psychology, communication, and energetics to guide individuals and organizations through major transformative stages.With multi-decade experience working across diverse industries and personal circumstances, Liz has developed a powerful platform that empowers people and businesses to navigate change with resilience, clarity, and optimism. Her passionate mission is to ensure that every conversation—from the bedroom to the boardroom—creates a world we all truly want to live in through a strategic, holistic approach.https://yourinspiredchoices.com/Source: https://businessinnovatorsradio.com/liz-goll-lerner-communication-expert-mark-stephen-pooler

Welcome to Business Innovators Radio, featuring industry influencers and trendsetters, sharing proven strategies to help you build a better life right now. Welcome to Brilliant Business TV conversations with leading experts in business. I am your host, Mark Stephen Pula. We have an incredible guest on the show today, the incredible Liz Goal learner. Communication is so, so important. And sometimes in, business, I think everyone can get better at communication. So I think it's a really, really interesting topic. Now, we're streaming live on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube. We're also on the E360 TV network. We are also on business innovators radio network. We're also on USA Global TV and radio network as well. And they are a show. sponsor. We are also on MSPNewsGlobal.com and we're on many, many more platforms as well. I'm going to

bring in our incredible guest, the incredible Liz Gold Learner. Liz, welcome to Brilliant's Business TV. Oh, thank you, Mark. A pleasure to be here with you. I'm really looking forward to a conversation with you. So let's get started with this show. So you're a communication expert, along with many other incredible things. I know you wear many, many hats. Why did you create the Enlightened Communication Institute? You know, I found that people both professionally and personally were speaking only from their heads, not their hearts, not really connecting with what was underneath the words.

And in business, if you don't know what's underneath the words, words, your outcome is very different than if you do. So that's one of the reasons. I like people to have the outcomes of their missions that they really want to have. I agree. And I think, especially in communication, but also like anyone who's an entrepreneur or in business, and any kind of sales, if you're doing it from the head, you're going to have a lot harder job, if you are coming from your heart. So it's so, so important what you're doing. What is special about your course,

enlighten communication through luminous living? So because people often mistake what they think they feel as truth, enlightened communication through luminous living really helps people understand the conversation they're having with themselves, where their saboteurs are, where their champions are, we have these voices that show up in our heads. And really what's happening a lot of the time is we're conversing internally before we're conversing externally.

And it takes us off the path. So when we can look at those, I've created a 12 system archetypal system. So when we can really have engaged those parts, then we understand that we can find that actual true voice. and then we become the captain of our ship, not these kind of emotional reactions we have to people or situations. I love that. I love that.

I think you mentioned a few key points there, and it all comes down to being conscious, aware, when those thoughts are coming in. And, yeah, it's so, so important what you're doing. And some people do struggle with this. don't they leave? They don't follow their heart or lead from the heart. And they struggle with those communication skills as well.

You know, I think that some of it is coming from the heart. And some of that, some of it is being confused that what we feel is our identity. Right? So a lot of, we walk around, I am, hung, I am angry. I am happy. I am excited. or whatever, and really we have a feeling that is happy, angry, excited. And if we are not grounded and actually, well, I am a human with many ideas and thoughts,

and I get to evaluate them versus be them, then we have a very different experience. our conversations about our missions if we have a business and want to, you know, have a contract with someone and do something in the world that's important, we want to be able to come from that captain place, that, you know, not the, oh, I'm worried about this conversation place. I think you've just said a few powerful things there, actually. because in my past I had really, really bad thoughts and it's so easy to identify with them and take them on as your identity as what you mentioned.

And I think if you can get into awareness and being the observer, and rather than really like notice what you're saying to yourself in the day, and rather than, oh, I'm angry like you mentioned, if you can become the observer and you can be like, oh, I'm aware that I've got, a feeling of anger, it's totally different saying, I'm angry. Oh, I'm aware that there's a feeling and emotion of anger. That's a lot different to I am angry. And then you realize, oh, they're just

passing emotions. They're just passing thoughts. They're not me. If you can observe you, you're not identified with it. And I think that's really, really powerful. Now, you began your work as an art psychotherapist. Where are you now? Your work encompasses the whole person, body, mind, spirit. Some might say creativity, choice, presence. Can you share a bit about your work and what that actually means for someone who works with you? So long ago, when I did a lot of clinical work, like in hospitals and things, I really saw that people were focused on what was wrong. and through the art therapy, there's a lot of focus on the strengths of people and their own communication and their symbolic communication.

Creativity is, you know, a wellspring for all of us. If we can have a creative thought, we can pretty much have a vision and heal anything, I think. But for me and the people who work with me, I have decades of experience working with people individually with groups, businesses. And I found that when we actually, one, figure out how to be the master of our ship, understand our strengths, understand that if we are not present in this actual moment, then when we have all those things together, we are actually coming from a position of power and integration.

that we had no idea we had. So that's what I love to teach people. I love to teach people how to be in that position of integration of mind, body and spirit so that they can actually be free, live the life they want to live, make the choices that really support their life and their work in a very holistic and powerful way.

Who does not want to be captain of their ship? As long as we're not talking about the Titanic Lees. No, no, no, no. Our ship sails wonderfully through. We create our own still waters. But I also know how to navigate those big waves. And I think that's... Yes, and the icebergs as well.

So, yeah. Yeah. Who does not want to be master of their ship, master of their destiny? I love this. And who doesn't want to be free, like Lee said, and she can help. you to get there, which is incredible. Now, I hear you are heading to LA for Emmys Week and participating

in Heather Mariana's Celebrity Gift Lounge with the new second edition of your book, Divorce Well and Thrive, Your Guide to Being Your Best Self, Under the Worst Circumst Circumstances. Why a second edition? You know, it's been a really interesting experience writing this book and really really trying to change a kind of the context of divorce in our culture. And what I found is that I wrote a book that was really about how to live differently and live well, even in transition. And people who read the book keep saying, oh, this book really is about living well. It teaches you how to get divorced well. It teaches what you need to do for your children, but it's really about living differently. And so I wanted to add something in the book that really addressed that

because, so there's a chapter in it now that's the chapter that's not about divorce. That's what it's called. And it's really about all the teaching in the book that people can take into their lives on a day-to-day basis that changes their relationships, changes their communication, changes how they focus their attention. And where we put our attention, that's what, where we put our attention, our life follows, right? You know, if we, if we have attention on, on something in a positive way, typically we're going to find better resources and do you have a better communication or flow in what we're doing. And if we put our attention on restriction or negativity or discomfort,

we're going to land there more often. So there are a lot of things in the second edition that point to earlier in the book that say, hey, go back and look at this because this is going to change your life. Forget about, you know, the relationship part is there, but, you know, create your destiny here. I like that. And is that available on Amazon these? Yes, the book currently, the regular edition of the book, which looks like,

this is on Amazon now and the new edition will be coming out in later in September. Yeah, and it will have a slightly different. Yeah, it will be different. So, Liz, now this one, what are three or four golden nuggets you can share for the decades? I'm going to say this bit quietly for four decades. You have spent working with people at all levels of wellness and distress. So share some three or four golden nuggets you can share from those decades. Okay.

I believe that people get into the most trouble when they make assumptions. We all make assumptions all the times. Every day. In almost every situation. So my advice is to, you check out those assumptions. If you think somebody's upset about something or you think somebody's, you know, in a bad mood at you, say, oh, you know, how are you doing today?

You know, be curious. Not, don't assume that there's something terrible going on that has to do with you because all of a sudden there's a story and you're reacting to the story that's your own invention has nothing to do with the other person at all, right? You could find out they have a stomachache. And that's why they have an expression. on their face that you think is about you. Okay, so that's one.

Actually, getting present in the moment. So I believe that people say, oh, let's be present in the moment, let's be present in the moment. The when, like they say what, but the when of where we are is, I think, the most important. So if we're thinking about something

that happened yesterday, but I'm talking to you today, and it's something that had to do with you yesterday, I'm not talking to you today. I'm talking to you yesterday. And so our conversation is tainted by that. If there's something I need to ask you about yesterday, then I need to do it so that we can move on with today. Right. Another really important piece is what we said before, which is I have a feeling, not I am a feeling,

so that we get a little bit of a degree of separation. Right? From all of that. And as you said earlier, you know, you get to go, oh, you know, observe that feeling and go, oh, do I choose it? So that's the other thing. Choice. People don't realize how much choice we have in how we show up and how we experience our lives. Feelings are, we have a choice about how we feel. And often people can't even imagine that there's a choice about how we feel. And the last thing is when you put all of that, together, you can really create a vision of what you want in a situation, in your life. And that can be a, like in the book, I talk a lot about this, kind of like a guiding pole you can hold on to, so that you always come back to how you really want things to show up and be in your life. Right? You can avoid a lot of trouble that way. So there's a few nuggets. There's more than a few there. And I want to summarize actually because I think what you've said is really powerful.

And I'd like to add as well, it's not just about being the observer of these feelings. I think sometimes it's really healthy to observe them, but also to feel them. Because sometimes we can push feelings away if they're uncomfortable or you perceive them as negative. But if you sit with them and let them into the body and feel them, that's so, so powerful. and open up and just allow and feel them rather than to push them away or reject them. Sometimes just feeling them allows them to flow through you. And they might persist a little bit, but if you just keep on allowing and feeling them. But you also mention being present and being aware, that's so, so important as well, Lee's.

But another big nugget assumptions, how many times have maybe someone said something to you a certain way, you've made an assumption and like you said it's a story and sometimes you can actually do it the opposite way and put a positive meaning we're meaning making machines so if instead of putting a negative assumption always try to put a positive assumption make it a good meaning rather than a negative one at least so really really good words of wisdom now i know you help and support so many people, Liz. Who is your dream person who may be watching today, that one person that you would just love to reach out for your support or your guidance?

And I know you offer some amazing freebies as well. So share those with us. Well, I always do offer a 20 to 30 minute complimentary consult. So people can... And that's very generous as well. See, you know, if it's a good fit and I can tell them, give them a few tips in the meanwhile.

And I think there are two types of people that I'm really interested in serving at the moment. Well, all people really, but the person who has been trying to shift something for a long time and just hasn't been able to just clinch it. And my accelerated breakthrough coaching will do that, no question at all. I can promise that, actually. And then the person in business or the entrepreneur, the CEO, the people who want to really move to the next level and are having some kind of either question about what they, where they want their company to go or where they can go. There are a lot of things that people don't see because of these little question marks. And I think removing those and really getting clear, there's a lot of power in that.

If that is you, connect with Liz. Go to your inspired choices.com. That's your inspired choices.com. That's your inspired choices.com. Liz, what a conversation today. I think you've shared such golden nuggets of wisdom and communication is so important. Thank you for being my guest today. Thank you. My honor to be here. Thanks for listening to Business Innovators Radio. To hear all episodes featuring leading industry influencers and trendsetters, visit us online at businessinnovators.com today.