Bussin' With The Boys - All White vs All Black Pro Bowl Takes WILD Turn With Channing Crowder + RIP Taylor Lewan’s Mustache

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Recorded: December 02, 2024 In Episode 305 of Bussin' With The Boys, the legendary Channing Crowder hops on the bus with hosts Will Compton and Taylor Lewan to share his unique journey from dominating the football field to becoming a major media personality and entrepreneur. The former Miami Dolphins linebacker and co-host of The Pivot Podcast brings his trademark charisma, humor, and raw honesty to the conversation. Including, battling it out with Will Compton on who would win the All Black vs All White Pro Bowl, and why white dudes always make out in the clubs. Channing also discusses the evolution of the black QB in the NFL, the perception of white athletes and how merit should be the determining factor of receiving rewards. Channing then shares his mindset of how he viewed his job as a linebacker in the NFL, tells some wild pregame rituals that he shared with Marshawn Lynch, calls out Urban Myer for faking his heart condition, and even goes in on college boosters that tried to pay him to play for their Universities. All while deep-diving into his off-the-field ventures, including his journey into stand-up comedy and reality TV. This episode is packed with unreal fight stories, unfiltered opinions on Will's new Reeboks, and the kind of energy only Channing Crowder can bring. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS :15 CHEVY 2:26 Chaotic Weekend In CFB 6:01 Ohio State Had Their Chance 23:37 The Rest Of Rivalry Weekend 35:48 The Silver Lining For Nebraska 44:26 We Love The Flag Planting 49:58 Who Makes The Playoff? 1:02:22 Taylor Has To Shave His Mustache 1:06:40 CHANNING CROWDER INTERVIEW STARTS 1:06:48 The Mustache Is No Longer 1:08:49 Florida Football Is In Rough Shape 1:11:03 The Rise Of The Pivot 1:15:46 Weirdest Thing Channing Has Eaten 1:19:01 Channing Is A Big Fan Of Nude Beaches 1:30:45 White vs Black Culture 1:37:23 How He Ended Up At Florida 1:50:03 Labeled A “Character Issue Guy” 1:58:55 Urban Meyer Getting To Florida 2:06:52 Football Hold A Lot Of Pressure 2:10:49 Transitioning Out Of Football 2:13:51 "I Would Check My Bank Account Right Away" 2:22:52 Football Was Easy Until The NFL 2:26:33 The NFL Landscape 2:30:18 All White Team vs All Black Team 3:15:03 Twisted Question OTW 3:22:52 Tier Talk - Best CFB Beef Over The Weekend 3:25:17 Channing Is Doing Stand UpFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for game cox game what a weekend boys dude a massive chaotic weekend weekend chaotic do we want do how do we want to do this because i got i got g over here his boys one i got jack over here his boys one we'll talk about my mustache mitch they mustache's got to get cut relax Mitch brought in this episode by the way Mitch it looks really good you look like a cop right now you look really nice you look really nice why does Mitch have the mustache It's an ode. It's a tip of the cap. It's one of those things where Taylor said, hey, you should do it

because there always needs to be two massaches on the bus and I said I step up. Yeah. But I do feel like I look like a cop. You look kind of cool. You feel kind of cool right now, don't you? I feel kind of weird. Yeah, but part of that weirdness is feeling cool. Yeah, a little bit.

Yeah. He could be an extra and super troopers right now. Oh, there's no doubt about it. No doubt about it. It's so strong. My college roommate called me. He's like, yeah, it looks like you have a sticker. on your lip.

Hey, that's a hell of a compliment. More compliments to be given. JP Hovey, his boys walk into Clemson and put belt to ask kid. How are we feeling right now? We wish it was by more. No doubt. So did my draft king sports book wishes that too. But I think the whole country does feel like South Carolina is one of the 12 best teams

in college football. And there's a lot of talk out there. I know we'll probably get to it. I don't know when we're going to get to it. But it seems like the three teams battling. for a spot are South Carolina, Alabama and Ole Miss.

Now, if Clemson beats SMU, I promise you, there may be a bomb threat on that first stadium. J.V. Maybe. It's a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Podcast that has fun. Yes, a truth bomb. A truth bomb.

Because somebody would need to be there to let everybody know that this is the fakesest game. If you want to ruin the college football playoff put clemson in it put clemson in it but also if you're going to put clemson you have to put the game cox in yeah and then match us up first round have to have to easy dub but yeah i mean we're feeling amazing there was uh i made a nice play on the giraffe king sports book gap over the weekend and it was when the game cox the gamecox are playing against clemson and when vandy was playing against tennessee i put a thousand on uh michigan not the money line i wish i would have i did i wish i

would have. Hey, I appreciate you doing that. Yeah. I appreciate you doing that. I'm saying that. I'm like, man, because I even took it, these were all live bets too. And Michigan was down to plus 14 and a half, but you guys were up. And I'm like, I bet they, they're going to cover this. Who knows if they win, but I know they're going to cover. But I parlayed the game Cox when they were down to Clemson with the money line of Tennessee when they were down to Vandy. And it ended up coming out, nice, bro. They were down to Vandy. What was that score? 170. Oh, yeah. And you guys are down to Clemson by a touchdown, I think. by a touchdown.

Money line on both. The seller's big run? Yeah. What a dog, dude. I forget what the plus sides were maybe 300, 400. I can't remember, but I came out nice. Would you put on it? 500.

I know. When those bets hit, you're only going to wish you is you bet more, dude. Because I love so much on Nebraska. Legit. On Monday, so on Monday when you and I were flying to Chicago and we were putting in those bets and we basically talked ourselves into, there's no way Nebraska loses to Iowa. Yeah. That's a Monday.

line pick all the way we bet that and I literally remember I thought in my head I bet Michigan was at minus or plus 21 and a half I thought I bet that and then Friday night I look at it I was like I took Michigan money line a thousand money line it was like plus 900 or something like that so I'll plus a thousand because I end up winning 10,500 dollars on that dude it's just fucking beautiful and here do you mind if I just have a moment you go ahead The last four years we've beaten, we put belt-to-ass as South Carolina likes to say to Ohio State. Every year has been more and more special. This year is the best year.

This win is the best win. A year that we lose 18 guys to the draft, a year that during the transfer portal, the big cushion time, J.J. McCarthy is deciding if he's going to leave. Harbaal is deciding if he's going to leave. The country is saying that Michigan cheated, and that's why. they beat Ohio State. That's why they won the national championship. We go into this year and we find out that we went to our

setting system and we turned off the forward pass. We turned it off. We decided we're going to go back to office alignment blocking with their elbows and we're just going to have a fun time running the ball and hoping for the best. We are scratching and clawing our way to six and five before the game.

Everybody in their mother said we're going to lose. Everyone on the panel for college game day. One guy says Michigan. Obviously Desmond Howard. On the panel for Fox their big noon kickoff thing. There's only one guy that says Michigan's win. It's Charles Woodson. There's not anybody in the world that thinks Michigan,

the maze and blue with throwing power turned off is going to win that game. Our quarterback threw for 60 yards and two interceptions. Our quarterback threw for 60 yards and two interceptions. If I were to tell you that was going to be the stat line of the Michigan quarterback, you would say, okay, Ohio State won the game by 50 points then. by 50. We are in the red zone. We have two interceptions in the red zone

to put points on the board. We make a 54-yard field goal at the end. So 2021, we look back at 2021. It's in Ann Arbor. We end up winning. The whole thing for the Columbus, Ohio fan base, that fan base is, hey, we're just glad the rivalry's back.

We're just happy that, you know, it's a little bit more competitive now. 2022, we do it in Columbus. We're like, well, something's up. 2023 happens. All of a sudden, the Conestown is. like, okay, that's why 2022 happened and then 2023 happened. What are you guys going to say now? What is Ohio State going? I'm looking at you Mitch, but I'm talking to the world.

Mitch doesn't care. What is Ohio, hold on. Let me just, let me just, let me just. Let me just. Ohio State, what, what are your fans saying now when you spend $20 million in the NIL collective with the sole purpose and goal of beat Michigan, win a Big Ten championship, win a national championship. With Ryan Day, you spend every dollar you can to make sure you get the players in there that are going to be able to be a, what we knew was going to be,

a bad or lesser than Michigan football team that we've seen in years past. And I'll have one thank you. And that is to Ryan Day. Because there's a book, we need to send him, will put me on it's by Ryan Holiday. It's called Ego is the enemy.

You have the perimeter players. You have the defense. Your defense stood up. You have the perimeter players where if you just threw bubble screens, that whole entire game, or short routes, short slants, you win that game by double digits. You have better players on the field. You chose to take your ego and look at our two best players. Mind you, by the way, our two best players aren't actually playing on offense and defense.

Johnson, our corner, and then Colston Loveland, our tight end for offense, who is our only really receiving threat the entire year. They, yeah, he has double the amount of catches from the next receiver. Thank you, Jack. They're not playing. And you choose to go at Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham. Try to run the ball at the middle. You ran the ball 17 times up the middle for 34 yards.

17 of those came on one run late in the third quarter. You chose to make it about grit. You chose to make it about blue collar football. and you fucked around and you found out. Now you're a coach that goes 10 and 2, 11 and 1 every single year, but when the maize and blue is in front of your face, you quiver and you shit yourself. And now you have Ohio State fans calling for your head

with double-digit wins every year. My hope is that they keep them. My thought is Michigan yet again gets rid of another coach at a dominant program. Thank you. Thank you, Ryan Day, for letting your ego get in the way and allowing the maze and blue

to win this game. That's all I have to say about that. I love it. That's all I said. Oh, one more note. One more note. One more note. Michigan hasn't punted

in the fourth quarter since 2019. Go ahead, Mitch. That is a wild stat. A wild stat. Coop sent that to me on my drive in. We just got out-coached. Out-coached? Out-coached. Yeah, yeah.

Out-played out-coached? I mean, the coaches put them in the scenario to get out-played. Like, They weren't getting a mechabucah of the ball. They weren't getting Jeremiah Smith the ball. I mean, Will Johnson is not playing. So he, like, Jeremiah Smith should have went off.

Off. You know many targets he got in the second half? One. Yeah. Like, your two best players, like, yeah, Trayvon Henderson and Quinn Sean Judkins, they're really good as well. But like you said, your interior D-line is unreal. And your offensive line's hurt and you're trying to run the ball at the middle.

Exactly. And then they're trying to fight after the game when they couldn't win the fight in between the 60 minutes. That was out of pocket. Well, what happened? What was that a pocket? The fight at the end of the game. I respect the, like, planting the flag and everything.

That's a rivalry game. Yeah, you go into someone, this is a game of risk. You go into someone's territory. You take over their village. You take their women. You take their alcohol. And you plant your flag. That's the game of risk we're playing, right?

Do I think the pepper spray and shit should have been brought out? No. That was stupid. No shot. And Ryan Day's just standing there while it's all going down. That's the worst part. That is the worst part. If you watch...

Either get your boys under control or throw hands with him. Yeah. Dude, you see Sharon Moore. Sharon Moore is in there, pulling his guys off saying, chill, chill, stop. And there's a perfect video of Ryan Day's sad little face looking gloom as if his whole world is truly falling through his fingertips. And he looks at an assistant coach who goes, what happened?

It's like, bro, it doesn't matter what happened. You see your boys acting crazy out there. Michigan, too. Don't like this is not like Ohio State was just in the wrong. Like there were there were bows thrown on both in. But more than that, if you're Fox, if you're CBS, if you're ESPN and you're going to sit on a panel and be like, this is disgusting. Now we have to talk about, instead of talking about Michigan rushing for 175 yards, we're going to talk about the fight. Then don't play it in the promo leading up to the game.

Because if you're a casual fan that doesn't necessarily care about Ohio State or Michigan, you're not going to watch a six and five Michigan team play a 10. in a 10 and two Ohio State team. You're not going to do that. What gets people to the game is watching in the 80s, Ohio State running out of Michigan's tunnel, taking the banner and ripping it down. They're watching guys push each other. Burning furniture in the parking. Burning furniture. People getting fight. Little kids giving the bird to players. That is the storyline. That is the WWE that makes college football so fucking beautiful that we get to the territory. We're fighting for the state. All of these things make it. Make it where we're like, okay, I want to invest my time and my eyeballs into this game.

That's why you do it. So the pepper spray, wild, insane. That is just, that's crazy. Planning the flag, dude, you lost. It is what it is. I do, I want to say I feel bad for Jack Sawyer. That's the linebacker. The white linebacker who actually bailed in that zone and Davis Warren gave up,

Warren Davis gave up the worst interception I've ever seen thrown in my entire life. Will Howard. It's pretty bad, too. It is, it was awful. This kid is born in Columbus, Ohio, grew up an Ohio State fan. He is crying on the field, ripping the Michigan flag away, screaming while Ryan Day just looks around with his pouty face. That's the type of dude that you're like, yeah, I know it's a rivalry, but I'm like, I feel bad for him. Because I went one and three against Ohio State.

I know what it's like to think, hey, this is all we have. This is everything. And then it gets taken away from you. I grew up in Arizona. I didn't grow up in the middle of this. I was brought into it at 17 years old. This kids lived this whole life, so I do feel bad for Jack Soil.

Or is it, yeah. Or the equipment manager, they said, like the Jack Sawyer ripping the flag away from him. That was Jason Avon. Who's a? So about the Eagles, wide receiver. Oh, for real? We met him a couple of the, when we went last year.

And when we went to the Nebraska game there. He's like a Michigan, like, legend, Eagles guy. Like, he does, like, the sideline reporting and stuff. Poor Jack Sawyer, man. What a game, though, man. And also I want to say that the, so Michigan, Michigan State and Michigan, Ohio State, their equipment managers, they play a game the night before. Michigan also won that as well.

So let's give a round of applause to the equipment guys in Michigan. Shout out the equipment guys in Michigan. Set them a juicy little video too, a little one-minute piece. Just hyping the boys up the day before. What a game, dude. When I saw that you guys were going to win that game, I'm just sitting there grinning here here. Like the chaos that's going to ensue. like obviously on the field but even on social media like you got Dave and Big

Ave Dave's jumping in the water being like oh my phone doesn't work before the game happy happy for you guys because you true underdogs like 21 point underdogs whatever the line was it was the biggest spread in that game's history is 21 points and it's everything that you love about college football especially at this moment in time like again you got you got the rivalry game with south carolina climson happening you got all of this chaos ensuing with the college football playoff like that couldn't to win any better. And it was nuts, bro. Like, the fact that you guys upset Ohio State is all time. Insane. And literally, I mean, I did a little halftime update and it was 10-10. But even in my head at

that moment, I was like, bro, they're going to, it's not if it's a win. It's a win. They're just going to be able to be like, yo, you guys realize we have the best players, right? We're just going to throw it out. Right. Right. The game's not played on paper. Bro, the game is not played on paper. And honestly, I don't know if this is just how my Michigan brain was working. But when I was watching pregame warmups. Ohio State looked a little tight. Like they knew they had everything to lose. And Michigan, when you see them walking out the tunnel,

Donovan Edwards, which, by the way, I think he's a standing knee injury. Hopefully he's all right. When they're walking out, there's like a, we've been here before and we've done this before, regardless of all the chips stacked against us vibe. And it was the proudest moment. I mean, I've never had from a, from a mission,

being a part of Michigan, any of the games that I won, any of the games that I played in, that one. watching that. I mean, even from my house in Nashville, I was like, bro, this is incredible. Obviously, like you guys won the national title. I went undefeated last year. All those games, I'm sure were awesome just to see, especially when Harbaugh goes out, you're winning after they're trying to take the best piece away from you.

So you're having fun and enjoying those games. But this win that you guys just had has to be like right up there because truly it's like, yeah, you're going into it, 21, whatever. That's a great bet because they're probably going to cover. But you guys were up. You guys beat them. One physically. There was a moment to where it's like, who's trying to lose this game?

because everybody's in the red zone just throwing interceptions. Interceptions. We literally go for it on fourth and one in the second quarter. Don't get it. Two plays later, they throw a pick and we end up scoring. Yeah. It's just, it's crazy. And dude, Jack Soren makes that interception in the end zone.

They get up at the 25-yard line. They ran it, stuffed. They threw a ball to the flat, drop. And then they ran it on third and 10. They didn't get a first down in the fourth quarter. they did not get a first down in the fourth quarter with our best player not playing it's just it's just it's nuts

do Mitch here's a question do you guys move on from Ryan Day that's what so here's what's crazy is they're going to get in the playoff what if they happen to win at all that would be insane it's the only thing they can save them I mean I don't maybe getting to the national title

would save him it's kind of like the same thing with Penn State and James Franklin like you're not guaranteed to 10-win season, but like, you're not going to win the big games with him. Like, you're going to, we'll probably still make the playoff. You guys will make the playoff. Yeah, win the first game and then, I don't know, whatever. Is that who we would play?

Jacket. Hey, I think of it. Jack in those shadows. There's not a snowball's chance in hell. Ohio State walks into Neeland Stadium and hears that noise and is able to operate. Well, I didn't, I didn't. Like, that's what I'm saying. They are not going to be able to operate in there.

That's what. I thought we were going to be seven, but I don't know. Well, yeah, you guys will drop below the two losses. You guys are going to bump up again, too, when Oregon beats the shit out of Penn State. Man. But to answer your question, I don't think we will, but I don't think he will. He's got to, like, win it all to. I think he's just got to get to the Natty.

You get to the Natty and lose like you made to the national title game. But, yeah, you're still going to have that stigma of, You can't compete Michigan. I'm like, even though he wasn't, you're sitting there. You're like, hey, bro, you're the leader of the team. You've got to get all your boys corralled and get back to the locker room. But part of me, I felt bad. I felt for him because he's standing there just in bizarre world.

He's thinking, I can't be. Dude, it's like a flash grenade went off. And he was just like disoriented. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was all the, everything that they've tried doing to ultimately just beat the one team that they want to beat is Michigan. And he can't do it. And he's sitting there like, we have everything to win this game right. We have every weapon, every tool, we have all of it.

And we still can't pull this off. He's just standing there like, he couldn't believe it. Since Ryan Day has sat in front of an arena and said, we're going to put 100 on Michigan, it's been four years. He has not scored 100 points and they've all been losses. There was this meme video going around to where when Urban Meyer, like, passed the sticks to him or past the baton to him in the video game. And then it goes into just him driving the bus on like Grand Theft Auto. like off of the cliff. I mean, dude, there is a piece of me that does feel,

I do feel bad for him. Like, we got to sit down with him in a spring tour. Because everybody's screaming at him to get the players off the field, and he's just standing there. I'm thinking to myself like, yeah, bro, he just, he can't believe. He's like in probably in denial standing there. Seeing Jack Sawyer scream, they're not going to play the flag on our field while equipment guy's literally holding him back.

He's got tears in his eyes. It's over, man. And he's got the shoulders just like, you can just look at him, like he has no idea what they're. to do. Yeah. And he had, there was Ohio state players that used to play from that were putting out tweets. They're like, y'all going to think I'm hating, but when we were down to Alabama, he didn't even come in the room. He went to his office and just wrote notes and then yelled at us when we went outside when they were playing Alabama. Like, I went down a little

rabbit hole. They're not going to play at the flag. They're not going to do it again. It's like the village is burning. We have to get out of here. We have to go. There's no saving anybody anymore. Go. We got to go. And dude, if you, if you, if you, this is, this is, this is, this is, this like your shot to be Michigan. That was it. Bro, that was it really was. The amount of money that's coming in that also I've heard about coming, we got this quarterback coming, but we're going to go get a quarterback in the transfer portal.

They are talking about spending more than Ohio State spent last year. Yeah, I want to say you guys per player are top five right now. Yeah, but it's about to get a whole lot crazier. Yeah. It's about to get a whole lot crazy. That was your time. That was your chance to write the wrongs. Is it a rivalry anymore?

I don't even know. I mean, is it? It's definitely still a rivalry. Is it though? Four in a row, twice in your house? That's what makes the rivalry in a row. Yeah.

Is you get it up 4-0? Is it like, dude, you guys, congrats, you guys had the tens, you had the 2-0, but like, not this decade. I haven't done it this decade. It's just nuts.

13 of the last 12. Dude, I went down, the last 13. I went down a little rabbit hole of like local, like, Ohio State fan podcasts. They're like, he's got to go. Unless he wins a national championship.

We're talking about a coach who just is going to get a bid into the 12-team college football playoff. His team... And they still have a shot. Who has been the favorite to win the national championship since before the season. And they are in the college football playoff. And they're saying, unless he wins it,

he has got to go. There's one coach for Ohio State. His last name's Cooper. I can't remember his first name. He would do the same thing. He'd have 9, 10, 11 wins seasons every year, but he couldn't beat Michigan. And they just gave him a pat and said,

bring your playbook. We got to, we got to beat them. We got to beat these guys. Yeah. What a fucking day, man. It's crazy. I know my mustache is gone.

I know that Jack is going to fucking shave it up. Hey, well, part of me, I'm, part of me's chuckling the whole time you're giving that speech and I'm just thinking to myself,

man, I wish he had that mustache shaved while he was giving it. You're talking about how much they own Ohio State. Dude. Somebody who was loving it, Kyle McCord. Yeah.

You see this post game press coming? Yes, dude. Hitting the Drew Lock, hitting the Drew Lock, second coming of Drew Glock in the locker room. Crushed all postgating stuff. Which ultimately is hopefully plays into the favor of like South Carolina trying to get into this college football playoff.

There's so much there's so many different variables, man. I love it. I know. I started to watch some stuff too on South Carolina and there are chances to get in. It seems like. of the three that are fighting for it, they are the team that is unfortunately going to be not allowed in.

Because you lost to Ole Miss, right? Lost Ole Miss, obviously lost to Alabama. But you guys win six straight. Like you're talking, there's lots of different ways to look at it. Do you look at straight up head to heads or do you look at who's the hot team right now that can make the best run?

Because there's an argument, I don't know remember who I was listening to, but they were saying the argument really is is like Texas is the best team in the SEC and then it's South Carolina right now. That's the next best team I think that there's a team If I had to play

That's what they were saying On the thing Well Tennessee you guys are going to get in Oh are you saying I'm just confused about this thing Put the gun down Yeah You got a five

You guys are in You guys are You guys are all that I think of any three win team Out of the SEC teams Who have the three win It's gonna To me yeah three losses

It's a battle More so out of South Carolina And Ole Miss Than it is Alabama I disagree I disagree You think Alabama Is the odd man out

I think Alabama is based on resume. Because you look at the head-to-head, Bama got them by two points. Ole Miss beat South Carolina pretty handily. And who did Ole Miss also beat? Georgia, who we also beat. Yeah. But again, you look at your guys.

The last six games, you guys have dropped games. You should not have dropped. You have zero business dropping. Like, if you're a championship football team, it's you don't beat yourselves. And you guys lost to Vandy, you guys got handled by Oklahoma. Two teams at South Carolina

a handled. So if you just look at since that game, if you guys edging them out by two points, I think that's where they're, South Carolina's resume right now, if you're trying to get the best teams in the college football playoff, I think that's where they have the edge over Alabama, even though you guys do have them in the head to head. When you look at Ole Miss, again, you don't want to beat yourselves late in the season. They dropped the game against Florida, who's a seven and five SEC team. But if you look at Florida being a seven and five SEC, being a seven five team, record team, Florida's spicy. Like Florida's actually, a quality opponent.

They've had one of the hardest schedules throughout the entire year. They're obviously a way better football team when that quarterback Lagway, when DJ Lagway is playing. So that's one where it's like, even though I'm probably going to carry the flag for a South Carolina because I love Beamer and I think they are playing their best ball right now. But Ole Miss to me has the next best resume. I think it's going to, to me, if I was on the committee, I'd be choosing out of Ole Miss in South Carolina versus Bama just because you guys drop two games that you just should not have dropped. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I think that A holds more weight right now

just because of the last 20 years. I think the committee's going to look at that. But I agree with what you're saying. I know that the last 20 years. That does suck. That does suck. It's what you're saying. It's going to be, are they favoring who has the hot hand or the head to head? And we're going to find, like that's the only thing that's going to be the best 12 teams, right? No. You can be the best team in the country in September. But really, how do you play in middle, middle of October through November? That's to me is with championship football. Well, that's what's going to be different between when it used to be four. Because last year, who has the hot hand favored us over Florida State?

Like, that's how it favored. We lost Texas, one out, won that C championship against Georgia. Yeah. Are they going to, are they going to, bro, are they going to keep that? These boys right here. Talk about a team being hot right now. Are they going to have that same argument for the last spot out of 12? That's it right there.

Say that again. So like I was saying, last year, the Bama argument to get in was win out after the Texas loss, win the S.C. Championship over Georgia, who hasn't lost in fucking 700 days. They were like on a they were going for, I think they had the record for most consecutive wins. Right. So that was the argument to get in last year. Right. For a four team, do you keep that same argument for the 12th team, like the very last spot in out of 12 teams?

or is it head to head? Right. If it's head to head, if it's head to head, that's where you guys just unfortunately are the out of man out. But if you're going into finishing strong in the back half of the year, that's where it's like you've got to really look at South Carolina. But to the point of 12 best teams, I think,

like I think where a team like South Carolina gets screwed is who do you think wins over Arizona State and U.S., like South Carolina? That's a sure. shootout. You think so? I mean, the Valley is activated. There's no way to know. There's no way to know unless the game gets play. I think it's easy to be like, all South Carolina probably handles them, but you can't just. It's the guaranteed bids that I think Arizona State's kind of inspired football. Inspired 49 to 7 against their rival. Here's the thing too. Favored by eight. While the iron's hot for South Carolina, how long do we have until they

play that first playoff game? What if that iron gets cold? Same thing for Alabama. The iron is wishy-washy. You have time to prep. And then that'd be a great argument if it was 365 days ago in your head coach's Nick Saban. We don't know what DeBoer and his prep looks like. You kind of do. Yeah, I saw. When I tell us you, stadium was empty at start of the fourth quarter. Well, you look at DeBoer's resume. He's before, Ben,

he's got an incredible resume. He's got a great resume. Bearding, beat Sark. Like, yeah. So, I think it just depends I think the cost of all the world will be on fire if Bama gets in. over Ole Miss in South Carolina. Just because I feel like a South Carolina, I feel like it's more of a people's team right now. But again, it's like, if you look at losing late in the year,

Ole Miss's losses to Florida, and that Florida team is honestly pretty good. And they're going to be very good in the future. Let me ask you this, Will. Do you is... Yeah. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but is South Carolina the people's team

or is it just the bubble we're living in? We're just stoked for JP. Could be that. I mean... My algorithm could be tailored more toward the South Carolina. No doubt. No doubt.

I'm saying South Carolina. But I think when you look at, I forget the stat that I put up on my tweet yesterday, but you look at the losses that Alabama had two common opponents. It was like Alabama lost, like, I'm just guessing right here, like 70 to 60. And South Carolina handles those teams like 60 to 20. Right. You know what I mean? So if you're just, you're just looking at that back half since, like you were saying,

Taylor, mid-October. Other games, too, like, old mid- or- it's hard to. If you, Mazoo came down by, for sure, you guys killed, yeah, you guys murdered

Missou. That's a fair point. But you guys both got dubs and if you look ahead to head, you guys got it by two points.

If you watch the Alabama, South Carolina game, it came down to one or two plays. You got teams that are pretty equal. And if you, man, that LSU game, bro.

That's the game. I mean, your quarterback sellers goes down in that game and you're still getting screwed by the referees. Like, if anybody's truly looking at it,

it's like that's a game that should have been a W for you guys. There's none of this conversation. So you guys are a two lost SEC's team. I don't, maybe even playing for the SEC title. I have no clue, but at least you're going to be in it. Honestly, what they should do is put both teams in. Well, how are you going to do that?

Five teams? Yeah. How do you leave that Ole Miss then? You're going to have Ole Miss. I mean, Ole Miss is still a good three-loss team who handled, who handled their business over. We would have that over Ole Miss. And then it comes down to what y'all are saying, like the people's team, South Carolina.

Yeah. A good point on the whole algorithm because yeah, I could be in the I mean, look at J.P. He's wearing a fucking jersey. He's wearing a jersey right in that. Good point. Yeah, yeah.

The algorithm definitely. Yeah, yeah. And Jack, you guys are definitely going to get up to five. Tennessee's in a great spot because nobody talked about it. They got to play and then Georgia, Texas. And then there's Sherm's fair team at four, Notre Dame. Come on. Hey, I, one thing.

Notre Dame can make some noise, man. They have a solid defense, bro. they have a good line of scrimmage. One quick point that I think is a good way to see like how this committee, because it is a different committee each year, how they will grade, something that they called the eye test, which is truly just the blue blood test, in my opinion, because they'll sit there and they go,

well, Bama passes the eye test. South Carolina doesn't really pass the I test. And it's like, what does that mean? Yeah, it's kind of bullshit. And you see in the AP poll, they have Ohio State at seven, and they're two laws. So they're above a one loss Indiana. Obviously, they beat them.

They're over a one loss SMU and a one lost Boise State. Boise State has a common opponent with, or a common loss with Ohio State. Why is Ohio State a two loss with the same common opponent for one of those losses over Boise? Well, strength of schedule, blah, blah, blah. Well, it's just because it's Ohio State. You flip those logos. It's a completely different story. So in the AP, Ohio State didn't drop enough, in my opinion, for me to think that if the committee votes the same way, I think that some of these three loss, two loss, they're going to get screwed like a South Carolina.

That's with everybody, though. You know what I mean? It's not. You know, Bama's lost three games and they're sitting there at 11. You drop a bad one against Oklahoma. They didn't fall too far. They fell enough to where they can still be considered. And it's like Ohio State was number two.

They were number two, right? Yeah. Number two team of the country. Yeah, you lose a very bad game. To a five loss. To a five lost Michigan team. Yeah. A bad football team.

Yeah. Not three for 60 yards. Oklahoma's, what's Oklahoma? Three for 60 yards. Three for 60 yards. Unfortunately, that's like just the world we live in. Because again, I still feel like Boise State as much as they're going to earn their way into the college football playoff. I do think they get beat pretty handily in the first round.

But time will tell. Gentry's awesome. Again, they're a favor just because they're like an outside, outside of the power four. Yeah. And it makes me want to throw up in my mouth saying this, but like SMU is getting slept on so hard. If you do look at their schedule, if you do look at their only loss being that away game to a good BYU team. Earlier in the year. It was super close.

They probably should have won it. They're sitting at eight. That's crazy. But at the end of the day, they win their conference championship. if they're going to be they'll see they're going to get a buy week, right? Yeah,

they're going to get the power the power four conferences get a buy if you win your conference so let's just say SMU, Texas, Oregon and then who would be the Arizona State?

Yeah, in Arizona State would all get buys. It's not, Taylor, it's not the power four. It's the top four ranked conference champions.

So Arizona State could be number 11 and the CFP at the end of the season. Boise State could be number 10, Boise State would get that 4 seat over Arizona State. Because right now they're ranked higher. Gotcha.

Which is crazy. So, who does Boise State have this weekend? Oh, UNLV. They have UNLV. Yeah. Who's that? They are ranked though. They're number like 18 or 19, I believe. But Arizona State, they're playing Colorado?

Did BYU win? Iowa State. BYU did win. So they're playing Iowa State? Yeah. Because there's a lot of. Yeah, the parameters of the Big 12 had a lot going on. You had to win, West Virginia had to lose, and there was one other game.

Because Colorado was close to getting back in the Big 12 championship. That have been. I know, it had been crazy. It would be crazy. That tweet would now be backed in the drafts. There's no, I mean, yeah, I would stand on shit like that, but the way we lost, bro. Yeah, do you want to talk about that? Like, I didn't want to really bring it up.

I do want to talk about Oregon and Penn State, too, how that outcome is going to be, but don't do that first while you gather your thoughts? And there's not a whole lot to it. You guys didn't deserve it. When you're not in the college football playoff, what is there to play for? I think we didn't really care playing against Iowa. But that's, that's projecting. Yeah, that's projecting.

I need something. But you talk about rivalry. It's like I hear you talk about we went four in a row. Is it even a rivalry? Iowa can claim the exact same thing on us. They're nine and one in the last 10 years on us. Yeah. People talk about the Bo Polini curse.

I've been seeing tweets like, Bo had a comment. like all right they'll see what it would the world's like without me and shit like that and they've brought out all the stats that just go against like i was since then nine and one yeah i was since then's nine and one their records like 80 something and 30 to ours which is bad and then it's like nebrassas went through three head coaches i was still had the same head coach it's it's not good man it's not good god and it sucks bro like it sucks bro like it's it's painful it's painful knowing that we were the more physical team. We had all the plays there, bro.

We had 21st downs of their five, and this team beats us of a crucial call that could honestly went either way. I think we just, they talked about us touching the ball on that punt. So they got the ball in like the five-yard line. So we hold them to three and out. Like they don't really move the ball on us.

We hold them the three and out. They get a field goal. Okay, it's 10 to 3. Then the next drive, we have very poor tackling. Bullock, who's one of our, maybe our best linebacker. run around puts his face on people,

really good player. They can't bring down their running back and he goes for on a pass play, he goes for like 73, which is like half of the passing yards for their entire, like half of their total yardage on the game. If we're keeping track to you, that's more than Michigan through. Yeah, bro. And then all of a sudden it's 10 to 10. And then we have the

ball going, we can drive to go win this game, bro. Like being in a tie ball game against Iowa, once again, it's always a field goal game with these motherfuckers. We can go on to drive and like, you know, Dylan, I think you tweeted, Dylan Rail, a legacy drive. And for them to get a strip sack in our territory and be right there to kick a football. I felt so sick for that right tackle, dude.

Three plays, bro, that just lost us that game. When we had all the stats, Dylan hits nine different cats, like we're moving the ball at times. Once we get in the red zone or the fringe, we can't seem to, we have to ultimately pun on like the 50-yard line, the control field position. Because they can't move the ball on us. And we just, we can't win the game, bro. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. You want to know the good news?

I'm hurt, man. You guys are going to a bowl game, man. I know. You got that. And regardless of how the season ended and how you feel like you guys have achieved something this year that you haven't seen in the past. So at the end of the day, you have, you can look at that and be like, okay, we had a successful season from the sense that we got this now out of the way. That pains me so bad. Based on the conversation.

I don't even know where we were. Oh, we were in Detroit. We were in Detroit at that burger spot. And JP and I, I'm leasing my head away because I'm starting. and get triggered. I'm starting to get triggered. And bro, I'm not even, I'm not even saying this to come at you. I'm literally telling you this. Like, even though this didn't go exactly how you wanted to go, it's still a successful season because you guys got something out of the way that's been haunting Nebraska for so long.

And Nebraska fans were legit coming at me. I think I was being facetious about the way I was sound about Nebraska didn't deserve it. You guys deserved to win that game. But you know what the thing is? For the first time and a long time, your season is not over. that aisle game it's not over yeah and you know what the good news is your floor next year is seven and five yeah maybe you weren't right but me and taylor were i'm gonna drink so i'm gonna drink hey we actually called that straight up in august it's like bro both six wins is a great season and that's what you have to be excited about i'm he what he said i'm gonna call for rules head if we go six and six but no bro it's all it's all it's

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I'm going to have a sip of that right now. Let's all sit back and enjoy another segment of silver lining Willie. No, just speaking, building on the sixth one season and going bowl eligible. The biggest positive to take away from this is we're going to get to have bowl practices, which is really, I think, going to help the team because we haven't sniffed bowl practice. Like, you know how it is. You're not excited to coaches are going to run you to the ground a little bit more. you're going to focus on fundamentals and techniques, something that we haven't had in, what,

eight, eight, nine years, something like that, which is a positive because you don't have to wait, what is it, six months, five, six months until spring practice to do it. You can kind of have your bowl practices. You can prep for the future a little bit more, you know, get into. Early enrollees come in and they get to practice to get their feet a little way. Right. So I think bowl practices are really going to help us because we haven't sniffed that in a long time to go into spring ball and just continue to build off that.

But ultimately it's like, fuck and then hey go win a bowl game try to get a winning season out of this thing try to go seven and six because again if we lose this bowl game you're six and seven another fucking losing season which is brutal and i do i still believe rule is the guy i think rule is the guy i don't that's in question some people bring it up that's crazy you shouldn't know that that's that's but just to say like i still think rules the guy i think there were some improvements i think cultural culture wise there are some improvements like if you watch all these games like the players they play for each other they play for their staff they're always out there defending their

coaches in any press conference that they're in like this isn't this isn't like we're taking a step back it's just it wasn't a year that we expected it to be especially you come out of the gate and and beat a team like Colorado like obviously if they were to happen to get into the big 12 and they win it's like yeah i can fuck around and play play off that but the the momentum that we had going into Colorado and walking away and the way everybody felt say hey we could have a ball club we could have a team just to not get the wins what pains me is not beating Iowa obviously

but not beating teams like UCLA and just drop that one's crazy like you can look at Illinois like Illinois is a solid team love Billma coming off the top road for Lane Kiffin on Ole Miss seeing like hey you want to go strengthen the schedule ours is a tick ahead of yours we're a three lost team

but yeah bro it sucks it sucks we're just going to have to weather the storm it's gonna make the story that much better Yeah, something that pains me is sitting in the locker room with the rule talking to the team after the Colorado game being like, this does not need to be our highlight of the year. Yeah. And it is, which is unfortunate. It just is, right? It is.

I'll tell you how I feel about bowl games. Don't fucking care at all. Bring on whoever. They can do what they want to us. Onward. Playing for a ring, though. Playing for a fuck that. We got the ring.

Got playing for a ring. Go ahead. But, hey, Music City. Music City Bowl I think the two top contenders are Nebraska and Michigan right now Are we still contenders for Music City? I think so, yeah

I haven't got to see the I think if you look at If you're just Nashville in general Like who's gonna bring in Bums and Seats Michigan and Nebraska are gonna do that Yeah That's what you want

Yeah And hey We get to go to that game If one of our teams are in it Yeah That's gonna be fun Yeah Oh if we get to play Vanity

Did anybody watch the Iowa game? Yeah I had a ton of money I watched the whole thing. It was, I had so much money on Nebraska. The play when we were driving two and broke my heart. We're hitting, I forget his name, but 18. Nayer over the middle.

He dropped in that ball. Watch yourself saying that. You remember the play I'm talking about? It's just like, fuck, man. Come on. It sucks, man. I mean, we talked about Georgia, Georgia Tech either, eight overtimes. Crazy.

Oh, but before we go to that, too, like all the flag planning and everything else and we got people bitching about not shaking hands before the coin toss. Did you see that? Dude, I texted true Friday. I thought y'all played on Saturday. And I went on Twitter and I go, I see Will with this halftime update saying, not even Blanino can stop us. And I'm like, oh, fuck, are they playing right now?

Friday night lights, man. That's wild playing on Friday. But yeah, afterwards, the players are going talking about classless for not chicken hands before the coin toss. It's like, what are we fucking talking about? Who fucking cares? Nobody cares. That is the dumbest shit ever. Don't shake hands.

If you're rivals, make it brutal. Make it fucking brutal. Get into pushing and shoving match in the tunnel. That's fun. That's a good time. Talk shit. You're a pussy. No, you're a pussy.

Okay, let's go play the game. And did you see the clip where they were talking about Rule walking in the middle of their pregame? Well, he's just power walking around in a circle. Or he's just doing his walks before. Nobody's on the field. No players are on the field. Talk about their walking through our warm up. What are we talking about?

That's crazy. Dude, Iowa is such a whatever program to me. I know. And just running out, George Kittle, though. Shout on George Kittle. Sprinting to go do the handcheck after the game.

It's okay, that's corny, bro. Who? Jiggins or whatever he's talking about. Who? Yeah. I think the linebacker. For Iowa. Yeah.

Sprinting to. Because he was the one after the game talking about. They didn't shake her hands before the game. They walked through a pregame or pregame stuff where they're not even out there. Hey, but that also, listen, that is corny as fuck, but that is also like the athlete. Like, that's the athlete. finding the chip.

That's you being so zoomed in. Any sort of disrespect you're just playing up more in your head. The Ohio athlete. Come on now. You guys throwing belts on the 50 yard line is insane. That's what I'm saying. You're watching all these rivalry games unfold. It's like, man, I want that so badly.

Bro, the funniest. You wish you could win to create more that chaos. Yeah, you want the chaos. Because it's like, hey, if they don't shake your hand, you're thinking yourself, like, I don't know if I've experienced somebody like being out there and they're not shaking hands, but it's like, all right, it's going to be that kind of game bet. Like let's fucking go. Yeah, that's fun.

But you almost want to embrace it. I'm like, man, that's some real classless stuff. Yeah. The hand shake out, no hand shake back, go for the clap. I think that goes hard. Yeah. Oh, that's when Baker was doing the genital grab. He was in the little, going, yonk.

I know. Dude, shout up Baker for starting that trend. I love that stuff, bro. Shout up Baker for starting the flag plant. That was him, right? He started that. At Ohio State. At Ohio State.

Wow. No fights that day. One interesting ripple is, Nebraska could potentially be playing Texas Tech in their ball game, which is the head coach Joey McGuire is Matt Ruhle's protege. So Matt Ruhle hired him out of high school football. He was a head coach for high school football. And Joey McGuire has now made this like huge rise to college football.

It'd be kind of fun to see Matt Ruhl versus Joey McGuire. Texas Tech? Yeah. Huge rise to college football. You're at Texas Tech. We're going to drag those. Well, he was a high school. He was a high school football coach.

And we're gonna hold them underwater. All right. Let's start it now. Holgerson, bro. Hey, what's Holgerson, bro? Let's Holgerson. Start the fire now. Let's Holgerson on the sideline with the red hat.

Are you kidding? That's what I'm talking about. Come on. Maybe you're sitting back. Maybe you hurt your leg and look turkey. Yeah. Maybe we'll talk about it. I showed tail of that video and she looked away from it.

She goes, oh, I actually thought that was you talking for a second. I was like, bro, I was dying. That video was dying at that video. Ogerson? Hold. What the? And then I'm talking, Taylor, hey, and also, hey.

You want me to, he's like, look at that boy. Look at that specimen. How does he look there? How do you do that? How do you do that? He like did us better than us. He did us better than us. But yeah, dude.

Shout out Nebraska. Dude, let's give a round of applause from Nebraska to him. No, no, no, no, no. You don't do that. Don't do that. That's a facetious. That's being facetious. No, because I-

We lost, bro. We just lost. Yeah, but you had it. successful season. I'm telling you. And listen, I get it. You're zoomed in. You're zoomed in. But as a person, it gets a step back. You ask anybody in the state of Nebraska. Exactly. That's what you don't ask. Because they're zoomed in.

I get it. Nebraska fans go so fucking hard. I love Lincoln. That's amazing. But when you're not a part of the culture 24-7, you're able to zoom out, get the lens away for a minute. You can look and be like, hey, Cich and State's successful. J.P., you said it. Taylor, yeah? I said it. Yeah, you did. And I will still sit here at the end of November And say congratulations

And next year when you guys go seven to five I'm gonna be fucking stoked It's gonna be awesome capital one bowl And the next year after that We're going eight four You guys are five years away from going Whatever that number is 11 and 1

By that, yeah The Matt Rural resume We go double digit in year three Well yeah but what's one to two It was you're like a one or two win team in year one, six or seven your win team in year two, and then double digit team. So you jump four?

Yeah. You guys jumped one this year. Yeah. Yeah. He exceeded expectation last year. Yeah. Shout out Matt Ruhl, and I think it's crazy for Nebraska fans to be like, Rule's not the guy. It's like, can you just fucking put the guns down for a minute? He is a leader. He's got great quotes. He's a good culture guy.

Like that is just blasphemous to have the kind of conversation. Now we don't go 7-5 next year. We have that conversation. But Georgia, Georgia Tech, eight overtimes. Wow. Insane. Get them out. Bro, I know.

It was one of those things I wanted Georgia Tech to win just to get them up out of the playoff. But you do look at Georgia's schedule like they've had a juggerna out of the schedule. Hey, you know Georgia fans are getting tight to you because Ben Jones texted me. He's like, I can't handle the bus and slander on Georgia. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he showed the celebration of the Georgia Tech guy walking the dog. He goes, you guys out here saying that?

I go, you think I run our social media? But I remember when Georgia was like going back to back and we'd be in the locker room, I'd like, Ben, yo. He's like, yeah, you know the dogs, man. We just, he was just always calm, cool, collected. Kind of like G was saving. Just kind of like, all. It feels like one of these teams

are just going to win it all, bro. Yeah, Georgia. Ohio State. I was going to say probably Ohio State. Ohio State's losing to whoever they play by double digits. If you're in that building right now. Their culture is broken. They are broken.

They are dismayed. They could not be a six and five team that can't throw the ball. They are awful. They are so done. Culturally, they have quit on themselves. If I could get in this conversation. They are done. They are so over with.

If you are. They are done. If you are in that building, this is one of those games. You have to throw away the tape as soon as possible because, hey, guys, we're going to get in the playoff and everything we want is still there for us to go get. That's what a leader of men would say. Unfortunately, They don't have that.

No disrespect to Ryan. Just been disrespecting the fuck out of him. I did enjoy our interview we did with him. Yeah, like he was gracious enough to come and sit with us, knowing you're a Michigan, man. Yeah, truly, and I'm not saying this as a Michigan person. I'm saying this as just an observer of football. He is not a culture builder. He understands how to get guys in the building.

He understands how the outside of the gridiron works. college football when it comes to leading men and developing players he has proved he cannot do that that is the truth that is bro i don't know i don't know who uh it might have been urban mire that said this or no no it was actually nick sabin you got all nick sabin said this you're going to get the five stars and the five stars are your outliers they're players that no matter what they're going to be dogs they are built different those are the human beings your job as a coach is to get the two three and four stars and so when they're in year three or four they play like five stars Ryan day has had a full coaching cycle to have freshmen turn into seniors and the

development's not there they went and paid 20 million dollars because the development is not there he does not develop players he does not get guys take the next step in their football legacy life therefore he is not a leader of men he's got some guys in the league that are playing pretty he's got some guys in the league that were five star guys he get dude the wide receiver room in Ohio state is insane every single year Their talent is insane every single year. They're always top three in recruiting because they have 15 five-star guys. It's just, I'm not even trying to be disrespectful.

I'm just saying this is the reality. That's Brian Harline. Yeah, Brian Harline, great. You know what he should be? The head coach of Ohio State. If it's not Mike Rable. But Mike Vable is not going to go. We talk to Mike.

And by the way, Mike, dude. We talked to Mike. Coach Rames. We know he's Mike now. I texted Mike. I texted Michael after the game and said, you're the only man

that can save Columbus. And you know how Mike is. He just, it's how he, the coverage is going to go how he wants. He said, oh, they played really bad.

Appreciate you reaching you out. Congratulations. Like, shut up, Mike. Like, just have a little fun. That is so crazy. He doesn't, Coach Braves,

he will fuck. He does not fuck around. If he's not willing to joke, he's not going to joke. He's not going to joke. He's not into all the, probably the NIL world. No, he would.

But I'll tell you what, Mike Rable steps his foot in the door to Columbus, you got a tough ball club in the next six months. If he decides he wants to do something like that, yeah. Yeah. As a Michigan fan, you go, fuck. But Hartline, hey, I mess with him. He's a worthy adversary.

Yeah, if you move on from Day, is it like, you know, you go outside or do hire internally because you do got some good young coaches internally there. I think you've got to go internally. I honestly think if Ryan Day moves on. Moves on. If we move on from Ryan Day, it's got to be Brian Hartline. But you also got Chip Kelly in there.

Yeah, but I don't know if he... No, he's done. Yeah. Right, but politically, he went from head coach at UCLA and made a move to go down to offensive coordinator at Ohio State to potentially look at a long game probably. That's just my speculation. That's because him and UCLA were falling, their relationship was falling apart.

So he got out, he got them before they could get him. Chip Kelly coached Ryan Day in college. They've been, like, tight for a long time. Like, Ryan Day was on Chip Kelly's staff on the Eagles. So they have a relationship that goes way back. That's why Chip came and kind of went down a step. But either way, you still have somebody in there who's been a head coach and Chip Kelly. College football is the best.

And ultimately, he's the one calling the offense. I mean, yeah, I agree. But I think Brian Hartline's been is like one of the few coaches that was there in the Urban Meyer era. No, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, we have to sit down with him. He's a dude. He's that guy. Yeah, he's the man.

They got James Laurenitis as their linebackers coach. You remember him? Yeah, oh yeah, I remember him. Remember Dick Long, putting him in the ground. Draft Kings. It's Jeff Kings. Yeah, we'll hit this add because I think Channing, he's about to show up. But yeah, let's hit Draft Kings.

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Only on draft kings, the crown is yours. I like more football news. I was, you and I were in a big fight in fantasy. And I beat you by 0.14. Did you, were you watching the game actually unfold? No. No. But I will say this, I'm now number one in our league.

Yeah, you are, you are. But so last night, it was, I had Christian McCaffrey, you had George Kittle. You were, your projected was like two points over mine like before the game started. So it's like, all right, this is going to come down to CMC. Hopefully he has a game, a breakout game, and you got George Kittle. So we go, bro. You beat me 115.14 to 115.0. When McAfrey goes down, when he gets injured in the backfield, just kind of slides down,

losing two or three yards, like that was the game. so I what if I had a 115.2 or point three based on him just having two or three extra yards he lost it in that one when he slid and went down and you and you you get the game dude I'm so heartbroken for Christian I know man you see though you see the play too where it looks like his uh yeah looks like the calf just looks like a water balloon blowing up I know and that's what always the everyone always says is the killers you saw it with uh Aaron Rogers you saw with Deshawn Watson like it's the same looking thing but then Shanahan on the post-game press conference and he goes oh it seemed like a PCL i'm being told PCL oh that is true they were talking about potentially being a knee which either way not great not great could have just been slow most he like landed right on his kneecap and i know it's been such a frustrating year for christian dude i feel so bad for him i do too but achille tennonitis and both like legs like says like i feel like i can't walk gets healthy comes back so it doesn't look like himself again and then feels brand new bro he's and he's a good dude he's a

good man and a hard fucking worker yeah So you just, you hate it for him, bro. He almost broke that one too where they got the ankle tackle on him when he came to the line of scrimmage. I was like, oh, touchdown. It's a, like I'm thinking like, oh, fantasy, fantasy. I think that's the play you got hurt on. Because he landed on his knee. Look at the way, yeah, just.

I think our boy, I think our boy Channing's here. Yeah, but that's just such a wild way to fall too. Great quad flexibility on him. Look at that. That's incredible. We'll get to Channing Crowder, co-hosts of the Pivot, stand-up comedian. Boys, before we get into the Chaining Crowder episode, we are going to have a little shout out, no free shout on that little boys

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You walk inside. You think, well, I was going to thought it was going to be way warmer, but it's actually not as warm. It's actually a little colder in here than it is outside. How's it are they working? Is my AC working? But instead, what you do is you run over to your closet. You pick out a nice bus one with the boys.

So you're about at store at barstosports.com. And you put that thing on and slowly, just like getting in nice sheets in a cold room when you're about to go to bed, you just start to feel warm and fuzzy inside. That's my shout-out. I like that. Building off of your, getting a little brisk,

getting a little chilly outside. I've used this one before. This is like an annual shoutout, no free shout-up, but when you leave your water in your vehicle, and the next day you get in, you got some ice, cold water sitting there in your passenger seat. That's my shout-out, no-free shout-out, because, again, you get in the truck,

I get my ZR2 Chevy Silverado, and I look to the side, and I see basically a half, a half-full bottle of water body on preferably, and you just think to yourself, oh, I can hydrate on the way into work. I can hydrate on the way into whatever you're doing. You got a nice, chilled bottle of water,

waiting for you and that is that's my shout out no free shoutout and the thing is is yeah it's an annual thing but always especially right now the perfect time to shout that out because everyone's gonna get their truck tomorrow morning they're gonna get they're gonna see the water and they're thinking itself oh that's real nice then they're gonna pop this episode on and they're like we all think the same read my mind yeah it's like your mind changing throughout the year and you get reminded yeah shout out no free shout out getting reminded every year that one time of the year where it's something starts that before we were like oh yeah that's right yeah christmas music season yes water cold water yes yes yes yes yes

fake tree season. Yes, dude. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. Not that, dude. Not that. We got to get you a real tree. It's about the smell. Ah, look, man. The cleanup's easier. Yeah, listen, I don't need to hear this. We're going to get into this episode. We love you. Get yourself a real tree this year. Give you something your family can just really walk in, see, taste, and smell the Christmas time. Hey, you know what? Happy December. We'll see you guys. We'll see you guys. And you know what. Next year, shout out for shout out. When we'll give us the same shout out again. Yeah, what's up? We should get a real tree for the shop.

I know the perfect place. Dude, Santa's trees in Green Hills. You go there. Bro. You say a real tree at the shop? JP knows what I'm talking about. You know what he's talking about. You get a real tree at the shop.

Go to Santa's trees. Got a nice. A real tree? The shop's got a nice. If you just walk over to Green Hills, you park your car, you get out of your Chevy ZerR2, you walk and you tell those boys, hey, I want that mystery meat special Terrell Luan sent me. They'll know exactly what you're talking about.

You're going to get exactly what you want. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Kind of nice. Kind of nice. Back to the episode. Who's he at? Jen. Hey, and what we needed?

We need to shave your mustache. Do we need to do your mustache now? Let's do it now. Before we take a break, I want to say this. I told my daughter when that I had to shave my mustache this weekend. This is not a joke. She cried and pleaded with me. And I said, I said, I told her I said, sweetie.

I said, sweetie, daddy made a bet. days you got to make good on his bet like that's what's going to happen I had to talk to her for 45 minutes about it and then she's like you're going to look so weird you're going to look so different I'm like you're probably right you are probably right sweetheart for those who are unaware Taylor and Jack had a bet for then I got

bullied into for Vanderbilt to cover against Tennessee I got bullied into it you can wash a locker room last week I got did I not get bullied into that low key yeah but it's a bet you're doing we're gonna be the bitch we have a good time Taylor oh I just shoot the head look at sure I'm out though you started to talk you started to talk crazy about

Talked down on me. I didn't talk about beating Tennessee. I said covering. And also me off while I was talking. Because, Jay- I'm taking Vandy to cover. Listen, you can go back and watch the film. There's a reason why you got cut off.

Listen, dude, the way you were talking about Tennessee, you were talking, you were basically saying, let me say so. You were saying how this is exciting, but you're so nervous. This is Vanderbilt's biggest game. This is no super bowl. You were talking in circles for minutes.

So the point where it's like, for a singular minute. If this dude, who's a massive Tennessee fan, is going to be this wishy-washy. Yeah. I'm the one who said, let's do the bet. I'm not getting it,

but I do. Go back and watch the way you talked. Go back and watch the way you talked. You can tell, you can see the nervousness, the wavering in your voice, and I bet when I was 17-0, you thought this is why I was so nervous.

And this is what we do. We cover by 13. Yeah, let's shave it. You guys did. Is there any last words? Don't fucking mess. Go ahead. Yeah, actually, give a second.

I got a lot. That's a little loud. Hey, I didn't think I had this hard of time with this. Shave my mustache, bro. Don't look, well, turn around. I can't let you see this. We'll go to Vegas this weekend. All right, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

So there's half another one. Gonna suspend next. Shut up, dude. Hey, it isn't that funny? He works out of gas. Dude, I think you look handsome. Come on, you, I think you look handsome. I think you look handsome.

You want apple sauce, pout? You want to go-good? Y'all got gougar in there. I think you look handsome. Taylor, you look good. You need his reaction. I don't care, right? Dude, you look good. I fucking hate it, dude.

All right. A good man, though. Honorable man. Much better. Completely different cat I swear he's talking differently I know it's like his top his top lip can't like

He's been way down for too long I don't know how to explain it It looks cute Yeah yeah that's crazy bro I've never immediately lost respect Or somebody after chaired Yeah bro he cannot tell me to do anything

Okay buddy Chaney we're looking for a second host No. No. That's what we jump on a wheel? Hey Will, should we have him sit in Taylor's seat? Chaney's in the bathroom then he's coming on. Go ahead, Chan.

Go ahead, get on there. I'll see on the bus. Oh, I've been on hit before. Well bad. Get away with the couch. Woo! Oh! A little rotating chair, hey, they always got a little budget going,

Sallis! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Man, I feel it. Taylor, Sean. Don't put their head up, a limb. Then, shut up. When you hit puberty, man, call me.

Oh, that is fucking crazy. It looks like your top of lips has zero feeling. That's it? Yeah, like it's just parallel. You don't know how to use the top lip. It's been way down for so long, man. You saw that thing.

You can just talk. I know, I got to get moving in it. How do you feel? I hate it. I fucking, I hate it. I do too. It's crazy. This is,

it's just nuts. That this is, I, this is kids, this is what happens when you get bullied. But it doesn't you go stand up for yourself? Yeah,

it happens we don't stand up for yourself. Didn't you lose a bet? Yeah, I lost a bed. I'll, make sure Jack doesn't have the mic. Oh, does not. That's a lesson to the kids,

though. Don't let Jack have the mic. No, your bets. Yeah, be a man of your word. Be a man of your word. We have a gambling show

called the locker room. As we're bringing up the boys rivalry week. Jack goes to Tennessee. They're playing Van derbyville. Shut up, Will. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Jack goes to Tennessee. He's a massive Tennessee fan. So he gets up and he starts talking how Vanderbilt's not going to cover 11. But the way he's talking, it's like, they're going to cover.

Yo, I'm not going to be able to do this show with y'all. If I can't just speak. Jack was all wishy-washy the way he was talking And I had to fuck him I was like, you guys are not going to cover The way you're talking So we put the mustache

I didn't want to do it I get bullied into it A chance starts happening Anytime energy starts happening in the room I get all juiced up So I said yes So they got me dude And now my lip doesn't work

Apparently I can't The boys can't even look Jay P can't even look at me right now How the fuck have you been dude Florida sucks this year What's going on? It's terrible yeah We work some ass though

Yeah yeah yeah You fucking be in LSU We'd be somebody We were saying it before. Florida's honestly not a bad team. Like you guys got whooped by Miami at the very start of the year, but you guys, like, Lagway, that quarterback, like you guys aren't like a bad, you guys aren't a bad team.

Bro, I said it all summer and everybody gets me hell about it. Why do we start the old dude? Merch. I don't even know Mertz, Mertz. Wherever my camera is, I don't know you, brother. He's like 26 years old. Start the young dude. See what he has.

And then they put Laguay and we start whooping people's asses. That's the craziest thing, man. I hate when you have a young star. and they put these old-ass dudes in. Oh, the continuity of them. Get your ass out of here. Put the young athletic dude in, and now Lagway's bawling,

and now, uh, Ba, the running back, he can play so, like the futures, and they, um, they locked Billy back in, Billy Napier. And so everybody was worried about it, but the thing is that-

about his head middle of the year again. Our freshman and sophomore classes so strong and that's Billy's classes. So they were saying, if Billy was to leave, them dudes would leave. You know, they have an opportunity to leave

with a damn transport portal. So keep, Keep Billy and keep that young, them young boys coming up. And I'm with it now. I'm all in now. How involved are you with like the program? I go up there. They have a award in spring named after me like the big hitter award.

Okay. Yeah, whoever was knocking. Nice flex. Whoever was knocking the shit out of people. Like yeah, it's not like the best, no playmaking. It's just who was. Who cares? Who was hitting the hardest in spring football?

Yeah, who was breaking on face masks. So yeah. Back then when I was real good at football. in college, I was breaking face masks. And I got to the league and Taylor started to grab my fucking ass and it was curtains. But yeah, and Billy, Billy really embraced the alumni. So I go up there. I've been asking the past to be like a liaison or, you know, almost a, you know, recruiting piece and all.

But honestly, the pay is not good enough. I do okay on this side as y'all know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see all these things sitting around and y'all screams. Have you had a twisted tea? Have you driven a Chevy? Do you like Lucy? You get a whole bunch of things for you, man.

Whatever you need. Are you? I got a suburban and a Silverado. There you go. Silverado. Yeah. Class, grit, dependability. Yeah, 2020, though.

Joe are crushing it too, though, with the pivot. We're doing okay, man. We're doing okay. What you mean? That's a humble. That's humble. Y'all are killing it. Yeah, we're doing good, man, with the fanatics deal.

But it's funny, man. I just talked somebody about this. It's like, y'all, Chris Long, with the green light, they're doing it. And I watch all y'all stuff. I watch all Chris stuff. Wallow and Gilly. Matt and Stack with all the smoke. Like the guys, I tell people this all the time,

the successful pods, we all know each other. It's not no competition. I'm not trying to go to Hard Twisted Team Champion and be like, hey, no, shit. Everybody's eating. There's enough years for everybody. The successful podcast all know each other. And I'm figuring that out now.

We went to Tyson, I can't even say fight, the Tyson Paul event. We were there. And everybody was there. and it was the same thing. Like, hey, man, man, y'all killing. Y'all killing it too. We're all killing it.

And so that's the thing that I'm starting to see now because a podcast was new. Yeah. Podcasting space was new. And now you see people that have years in the business, everybody's cool and everybody knows each other. When you were first starting this whole thing out, did you think it was like a killer be killed situation with other podcasts? Did you feel that competitive drive, like they're different teams in football or

something like that? I never really felt that way. I just want to be, like, successful. You know what I'm saying? Like, just succeed. Like, you know, like, in football, you got to win the Super Bowl. If you don't want Super Bowl, you lose.

Everybody goes about that way. But it's, it's something. And I just got it. And I, you know, I do, like, speaking events and, you know, now if my fucking want to hear you talk. So they'll bring me in keynote speak. And they'll give me 10 grand. They're like, yeah, 45 minutes.

I'm like, for 10 fucking grain. Bitch, I'll talk for three hours for 10 grand. So, like, I'll talk. my research is listening to rap songs because I think those lines will give you something to think about so little Wayne it was a line I don't know what song was

he said I'm I'm racing I'm not racing I'm just sprinting and I thought about it with the podcast space where anytime you see somebody running you're gonna look behind them but they got to be running from something or running against somebody it's a it's a person that can

and just run as fast as they can for no reason that succeeds. Like when we used to work out and all that shit, why is this big-ass dude out here running around this field back and forth and back and forth? No, it's not for a reason. It's to succeed. So that's the thing I kind of took on. And that's what I think we've been doing before I kind of correlated that line with the same thing. Like, I'm not racing.

We're not racing. Pivot's not racing anybody. We're just running as fast as we can to be successful. And like you're saying too, like when you realize, like the athletes of podcast space like successful pods like you you'll go out there like I'll peek at everybody's stuff and just kind of see like where a standard is and everything else on like what whether it's not necessarily the thought process of we got to beat this but it's like hey this is what success looks like in this in this industry and everything else so it's like

how can you compare a little bit take what take what uh take your own stuff make it your own and kind of watching see what everybody else is doing yeah because at the end of day it's like when we got into this thing you want to when you knew the the the the low wasn't going to be there for you anymore. You wanted to figure out what your own transition could be and you wanted to be successful on your own versus having to go back and work for the man. And you wanted to happen with all your teammates that go in there

because you realize like the stats of being broke, 70, 80% go broke within five years. It's like you want success for everybody. But now that you see these athletes getting in the podcasting space and being successful and owning your content, like to me that's just a massive win for all of us. And it's funny you say that because y'all two, ballplayers. Ryan, Fred, myself, ballplay,

players, you know, Walton Gilly cousins, Matt and Stack, ball players. You know what I'm saying? So you have that same drive, but you have to redirect it somewhere. For sure. And that's the thing that I see all the time with guys I play with even, I was just some guys that play with it at college. One dude has fucking emu farm. He has goats.

What's an emu farm? I know what an emu. A emu to big ass birds with a little bitty fucking flippies. Yeah, the tornadoesaurus wrecks. A emu egg goes. for $300 a piece and they mate like three times a year and made like six eight.

My buddy was like, yeah, bro, I bought some emus. But his football shit went to like farming. And he has goats and cows and all this shit. I was just in South Georgia where we were hunting. I went hunting for Thanksgiving. Well, my family took my daughter deer hunting,

my son deer hunting. Nothing big walked out to when he's shooting out. But we did shoot, kill some raccoons and we ate them. Y'all ate raccoons? No, I never ate a raccoon. Fucking delicious. What?

It's fucking delicious. Just fry them up. No, no, no, no. You cut them up with skin them, clean them, then cut them up, put them with like onions and potatoes and peppers, and then you roast them with foil on top, and you take it off the last hour and let it crisp up. Oh, my goodness.

You're talking about a trash panda. You're talking about something that goes through people's garbage and eat that and just that. See, Taylor? This is what is this. You know there's wild raccoons before we came around and started fucking up wildlife. You don't say.

So the wild raccoons eat berries and nuts and bird eggs and baby birds and shit and their meat is clean. I'm not eating a goddamn raccoon you're not eating a local raccoon. The raccoon that gets in y'all's trash in the back? You want the rural raccoon. I want the one that lives life.

I want the bitch that knows how to live and survive. You don't want a domesticated raccoon. No. A little fat boy just hanging out of the bottom of the trash isn't waiting for you to put your goddamn trash in those Tuesday morning. I don't want this. The bastards are everywhere on my house. You got them?

Yeah, I got it. I got everything at my house. Oh, got bobcats, coyotes, raccoons. deer I ain't ever ate a I don't know if we can legally say Bob cat a coyote I might have ate a wreck a coyote before might just might

I feel like if you ate a coyote you would know about that experience you remember that experience allegedly he can't I know how legal it is to eat a damn is the raccoon the biggest thing the weirdest thing you've ever eaten they couldn't no no no no no I've eaten up

actually nasty as fuck as a possum bro possum what are you disgusting disgusting It literally tastes like the juice in the bottom of the garbage can. Like that smell you get when you... Couple questions.

What's that taste like and how do you know what that tastes like? I don't know, but I smelled it. And then I took a first bite of my possum and was like, this shit is terrible. Armadillo's okay. Armadillo's soft white meat. That's just a hard-shelled possum, isn't it? What's that?

No, armadillo, they eat nuts and greens and they eat. Yeah, but that's like their little cousin. They're the same creature. No, look at that armadillo. Dude, all the girls are kind of cute. And they barrel into the ground and they eat like roots and shit and worms and bugs under the ground. You'll eat anything. My wife might say so.

Yes. And I'm cute, motherfuckers. They don't know how to get a woman. Will's wife ain't been happy in years. He's one of a missionary all day. How is it pretty good, huh? Pretty good. Like that, don't you?

Breathing hard and shit. waiting out you chin just like laying it laying on yourself as it pretty good huh she was going to get up oh did you uh did you uh no all right we'll get them next time we'll get them next time sweetie we're warming up yeah it's wednesday i got you saturday oh my god i'm trying to figure out if i want to say i eat asked on the podcast or not you do man going to say it man the body the body the body is canvas to explore. I've heard from you. You're into the nude beaches and shit.

Yeah, I work too damn much now. You can't get to the new beach. Yeah, bro, he's into the nude beaches. I've been to a new nude beach before. Jamaica. 15 years old.

So we're, you went at 15? Yeah, yeah, I was with my girlfriend's family and there was a little said nude from here on out. But you guys, you guys seek out these resorts and stuff, yeah?

No, well, yeah. Yeah, so we, We know there's some. There's one in my, there's Miami, Mexico has a bunch of them. Okay. And it's not like,

it's funny when people say like the nude beach thing, like everybody thinks it a swinger thing where everybody's out there fucking. It's called, it's really all natural. Well, like people want to tan nude and, you know, all that stuff.

And it's the craziest thing is that people are out there with their kids. What? Folks will have their kids out there. But the kids are closed, right? Yeah, the kids are closed. But like,

and they just had a beach and the mom take, want to take her top off and all, and the dad's sitting there, and it's like, and their daughter playing in the water and all this shit. And the beach is not that populated, so now it's the best place ever, so you can go really enjoy the beach and I have these fucking weirdos walking around smoking cigarettes and all around you. And it's like, it's cool. It's called all natural resorts in Mexico are probably the best ones. So talk to me. Okay, hypothetical situation. First question, do you walk with her? What's that? We don't bring our kids. Yeah, yeah, we leave our kids. I try

to leave my kids all the time. My son's four. I tell my wife all the time, why are we bringing him on vacation? He's not going to remember that. I don't remember shit past like 10. Y'all remember, like, four years? Y'all remember at four years old? I do. I remember my first memory.

First memory I was three years old. Like, not a picture of vivid fucking memories. I have a couple, but they're not the best memories to remember. Did you have a rough-up ring? You know, at times. Missouri. Yeah, Missouri. Small-town.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My dad and I, we've talked about it. Hey, so this nude beach. God damn, we didn't have got dark now.

Is you ever like, people excited on the nudes beach? Are they ever like pitching a tent? Like, do what do you do for you? Like, dig a little hole for it in the sand and turn over on your summer? Like, what do you do? It's literally a beach. Bro, I know, but you, listen. But every man walks on a beach and you see a person and a two-piece and you think,

and you check them out. Yeah. But then you, and then there's no. So you think there's no imagination needed. It's not. So you just got to roll over. You put it in the sand. Not really.

It's not sexual. Because you sexualize a naked woman. Channing got one of those white rocks outside of his house. He got that garage door crap. He's got the pineapple outside of his house. You know, no. We get after. We get after it.

Yeah, yeah. We got after last night. I'm going to leave in town. I'm leaving town for three days. She was like, hey, we called a nanny over because I was like, I need some time tonight. You play which game? Was it the cat coming in the back door? No, we didn't play the cat coming in the back door last night.

What did we do? What is that? Was the cat coming in the back door? He's got this. You oil. You're oil up, yeah. Your oil, get the oil. And then you put like a shower curtain down on the bed.

What kind of oil are we talking? We talking? Diddy oil? We're talking? No, just regular oil. All right. Oh, C.D.S. Wallgreens.

No, no. There's baby oil. Yeah. Why? Baby oil. Yeah. Yeah. That was the thing is, you know, you need to.

Slipping slug. If you need K-Y to have sex, that means you're not loobing. You're not doing right by the vaginal. Sex education, man. This is beautiful. Keep going. Yeah, you can't just lather up the vaginal area. You need to.

You can't do it. You can't do it. No, you got to take your time. Okay. I heard about the bull, old bull and young bull on top of the hill. I have heard this story. Yes. The young bull wants to sprint down the hill and knock down one cow.

old bull said just walk down the hill or you can hit them all okay yeah you gotta you gotta slowly you know what I'm saying you got a man lean into whatever y'all little hornies want to that oh man just slide up in there that's me do a little bit that's me that's me too yeah you just kind of get blind get blind you're like what we doing yeah yeah and then you apologize after yeah I'm sorry I'll get better with time I apologize sometimes I apologize while I'm finishing You got to rub a little And then say, you know, let me go grab a Gator Reg. What?

You got to, you know, you started and then be like, I'm thirsty. And then you go, so now the anticipation bill is like, oh, what's my more? And now it's the anticipation of the old bull walking down the hill. Y'all ain't doing no real fucking, aren't y'all? Look at us. Especially with that muscle. Hey, Jim. I know it's hard for me to just like look over when he starts talking.

I feel like I got to just look. Whenever I'm, whenever I look over at you, I'm just going to look at the, I'm just going to look at the camera. I'd be like to just pretend that I'm listening. Yeah, it's hard, man. This might not having this much as I just talk because I see J.P. and Garrett, they're showing each other photos in their phone. They're giggling in the back. And it could have nothing to do with me, but because of what just happened, I'm just like in my head, like, I wonder what they're scheming back there. You're talking about fucking in ways I've never done. I'm thinking you're essentially opening up a new chapter in my head of variety and

ability. You tease them. I'm an effort guy. That's what it is. So with the, see, the woman's always the chase. Make yourself the gazelle. Don't always be the cheater. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. You see what I'm saying?

Make yourself the gazelle. Just the way this man's talking. You know he's got something going. Kissing and then now they're getting all going. And then you say, hold, let me go check on the kids. What? Check on the kids.

Now you're the gazelle. Now you're the gazelle. Do you run and hide? Now you, what's that? You leave the house, running to hide a little bit. Just stay out. Have him come chase you?

Let me go check on the kids. I don't think we have played. That's like a hide and go get it. We played that when I was a kid. Bro, when I first learned about hide and go get it, it was year two or three in the league. We're in training camp and we're sitting around the, we're sitting around the cafeteria table.

And the fellows from down south are telling me how they used to play hide and go get it, to our hide and go seek. And I'm hearing about hide and go get it. Where if you find him, you get to basically like dry hump them for a couple minutes. I'm just thinking, what a nightmare. And I'm looking over at this D. Lyman. I'm like, you know, was the girl scared whenever you found it? Not where they bummed whenever you found her.

Yeah, but she had to get it. Yeah. You learned about how I can go get it as a grown man? As a grown man. Well, you played hide and go get it? 24 years old, I learned by behind go get it. As a child, you played that. That's what, it's made for kids.

Yeah. I think that's, uh, that's not made for kids. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what the Watts do. We play a game called Doctor. You play Doctor? Hang on. That's you just sit in a room kind of uncomfortable.

you're like seven, six years old with the nose and you're like, can I see it? And they're like, okay, and you kind of just like pull your pants down and just like... This is the first time I'm here about doctor. You never heard about doctor? We just pulled... We played hide and go seek or freeze tag.

Yeah, I'm talking about your sexual curiosity is a child. The cultured version of hide and go seek is hide and go get it. You never played a doctor? You never played doctor. No. There's probably a lot of people who have played doctor. Listen, you all never live. Well, you play house.

I know. Yeah, I like doctor. I like this game. I don't tell my, you know. No, man, it was, yeah, you just, yeah, you know what? I would say in high school, so I was, when I started bawling in high school, they, you know, like a lot of people do.

Now, now with the NILs and all, it's known. But what they do is they find these dudes in the hood that bawled and they'd move them out to the suburbs. And they'd help their parents get housing the suburbs and all that stuff. So we moved out to the suburb. So we moved out to the suburbs. Who helped you move out to the suburbs? Florida?

No, no, no. This is, fuck, bro. This is middle school. Oh, okay. And the high school coaches are figuring out. The high school coaches are trying to get their feeder programs. So I moved out to the suburbs, Roswell and Georgia. And I started hanging with the white boys.

And they had something. Y'all played, what's it called? Seven minutes. Seven minutes in heaven. And you go in the closet. Yeah. And so the first time, I remember the girl's name. I won't say it.

she had this big fucking house and like this is the first time I'm seeing these mansions so I'm going out and I'm seeing these fucking mansions and I'm going to these parties with Mike Cullen, Daniel Brunner, Chris Rees, I remember all my buddies and they were like seven minutes in heaven and it was something you'd like

some cup game or you spin the bottle, spin the bottle, spin the bottle seven minutes in the closet you and the girl go in the closet so they were like they're trying to tell them like seven minutes of heaven like heaven heaven okay so then when I get up And that fucking bottle turns to me.

I'm like, we got action. Go in the closet. I'm like, shit. I'm like, shit, pull the dick out. Like, what we're doing? I was like, what's going on? I said, shit, what's going on? We got seven minutes, goddamn.

Let's do something. I didn't know. Nothing happened in that time. But I was not privy to the rules of seven minutes in heaven. And it is a very different situation on different sides of culture of heaven is where y'all want a tongue kiss because even white boys tongue kiss in the club. Hey, bro, I made out with her. He's not wrong.

I'm like, what happened? Bro, I made out. Hey, a passionate make out. See the girl in the red dress? Like, yeah. Yeah, Taylor. I made out with her for like three minutes, bro. Like, you just kissed her for three minutes?

Yeah, bro, it's fucking awesome. Like, why? You dick got hard, now you're just sitting around. They're getting mad. What's the point of this makeout session that's going on? How are you supposed to close a deal at the bar? How are you supposed to go? It's time to go?

No, man. It's time to go as a kid at the bar. You're talking about as a grown-up? I'm talking about the situation we're talking about. You're at the club because I You're at the club You're saying that it was me 100%

You get to make out Hey bro Denim starts attacking you a little bit But feels kind of nice But a little bit dangerous At the same time Press it against her leg You know

And then you're just hoping to God She says yes later That's why y'all bitches Get mono I don't know the percentages But the monot Rating white people are way higher

Than black people We don't get mono Because y'all motherfuckers Love to kiss No Oh, my. Bitch, get, man, woman.

Hey, what's you doing? Huh, you look good. Well, shit. I got the little spot right here down the road. Slot. Leave. Our buddies knew. If we leave, it's not we're doing, we got a woman, and we're leaving to do it.

Hey, man, if I need the keys, hey, man, throw me the keys. I got one. Okay, here you go, brother. We'll find a way home. Y'all ain't got no goddamn game, man. You know, I'll have a kiss all night. Just a scenario you're talking about, though, like one of your boys meets a girl. and they leave, I'm like, man,

I can't believe you just leave the boys like that. I'd be upset. Like, come on, bro. It's about the boys. Come on, man. Come on, man. You, you know what? Hey, hey, we get mono.

They have kids. You know what? With that comment for Taylor, I recently, one of my people, they got a problem nine months later. We got mono for a couple weeks. Y'all want to kiss on people.

That night was way better for us. Y'all want to kiss a bitch forever. Man. It was, it was, it was, I have a white buddy, and he's about to get married. He had his bachelor party. He's like, hey, I'm taking some days off, one of my 17 jobs. He was like, hey, he's one of our producers. Hey, I'm taking days off.

I'm going to, I have a bachelor party. I'm like, shit, bro, where are you going? I'm thinking he's going to, it's going to be Vegas, D.R. No, we're going to the mountains of Tennessee, me and eight of my buddies, and we have this big house, and we're going to, like, drink. I have had, I've been on one of those bachelor parties down in Gatlinburg. We had a great time. Whitewater rafting. Yeah, it was a fun time. Yeah, it was fun time. Road go cards. Yeah, we rode go cards, ate some pancakes. A lot of good pancakes.

Sloped in a little bit too, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Got the weekend. Made some breakfast together. How'd you sleep last night? Great. So you and said, we came back. Yeah. Somebody gets drunk enough. You try like writing on their face, shave their head or something. Yeah. Yeah. And then, hey, shoes are on. Boys, he's fair game. That's good, wholesome fun right there. So five days of 10 men eating pancakes and go-cart riding is the celebration of marriage. Y'all fuckers are. You don't think that's fun time? You wouldn't go to the mountains with us and hang out?

No, bro. They're going to the D.R. We're going to do something fun. What do you mean? That's fun. Hanging out with the fellas? It's eight of us in here. So now we get on the plane and we fly.

I want people to notice who you're listening. He double counted that. We fly to the mountain. yeah I had to make sure it was five. I was like, five, three, seven, eight. We fly to the mountains

and then we just all ate just talk. Like, after. Go see some nature. Yeah, dude, look at birds. You don't go bird watching with the boys? The boys.

You get a street stand? Okay. I don't go hunting. Are we hunting or are we just sitting? Who know? Hey, well, you can do whatever you want,

70 hours of fun. And I already know you like to make out. I'm not kissing y'all. Y'all get licked up and hey chan and bitch. Get licking up. Hey, if Taylor loses a sped, you guys got a kiss. Y'all want to make bets. No, man, we ain't doing it.

We ain't doing none of that. Yeah, it's different cultures. Yeah, different cultures. It's very different cultures. And I've learned that as a grown man now that, yeah, y'all grew up a little different. Yeah. And I bounce on both sides. Football made me bounce off both sides.

Yeah, you had fun with that? I did. Yeah. Yeah, I did. I enjoyed it. It was funny, like, seeing how the white boys talk to their moms and dads and y'all cuss them out. Fuck you. Get out my goddamn room and all that stuff.

Like, that was weird to me. Those are the crazy white boys. I don't think I was ever like you, but y'all, man, you're getting a shot at the title. You start cussing out the parents. We heard earlier. I had a, my dad was whooping your ass. What's your dad's name? Bill.

Bill. I need to meet. William Earl Compton, Jr. Bill's, I love Bill. Bill's down to fighting weight right now. Yeah, Bill are tightening the bitch up. I like people that tighten the bitch up. You're ready.

Yeah, yeah. Bill, 365 days ago is a thick boy. A little bowling ball rolling around. Now, he's lost like 70 pounds. It was good. Yeah. It was real good. I grab, you know, I tell all the little young men coming up,

teenagers, I like, if you want to just see what you got, I'll fight you. No guns are nice. You still? Yeah. Jane is a country boy, bro. For real. That's what you're supposed to do. Like my son, he's 13.

And I tell him all the time. I have a four-year-old, too, and I tell him my 13, my four. No, he's crazy. But my 13th, I'm like, hey, whenever you feel as if you're a man, like, you can take me, like we need to go in the yard. We're not stabbing each other or nothing.

Like, we need to grab each other. We need to grab each other. We just wrestling around or we close a fist. We need to wrestle. We need to close fist. Like, whatever you want to do, you got to do it. Me and my dad did it.

Like, you have to, at some point with your sons, you have to, like, y'all have to physically have an altercation. And then it is what it is. Mine went in pretty quickly. Hmm? My old man would be the exact same. way. He'd say he'd stand over me and say you ever wanted to shout the title, please.

Go get it. And then blow me a kiss and say, don't hesitate. And I'll be, hey, I, have you tried him? No, no. I mean, I'll roll him now. I'm not disrespecting right now, Bill. He kind of knows that, but. Not disrespect him, but lock up. Well, not anymore. I'd probably heard him. Yeah, but strategically, if I'm your 13-year-old son, I'm waiting for you to get him on a way, waiting for you to fall into one of those situations where you're a little down to the dumps. I got I BS now. So he catches me on that toilet one morning. He'll whip my ass. That BS type me. You ever see Bamargera? You ever watched that show back in the day?

Oh, what's the crazy? He was one of the jackass guys. He would always catch his dad in the toilet and just go in and slap the shit out of them and leave all the time. Chang will get chaggy. Those are the white boys he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We grew up watching. That's really jackass's fault is creating us, creating me.

That's what happens. Jackass people. Yeah, you start joking around too much. Yeah. And yeah, yeah, yeah, it becomes that. I got in trouble with a white boy. Punching his dad. Or doing something to this down.

He's just shoving stuff in his face. Yeah. So you got in trouble with a white boy? Yeah, man, he got a PA system on his truck. And so we rode around. Then we got some red and white lights, flashlights. And so we got in this truck with a PA system. And we did this in the front of the windshield.

And we talked. And we pulled people over and just drive away. And I had to ride a ride. I have to drive along with the cops because they caught us. And that's like impersonating the officer. That's just a felony. Yeah. And we're just fucking off.

Like, we're just bored. You had no idea was a felon. No idea. And then once they pulled us over from doing it, now we're like 16, 17. And then I was like, damn, Daniel, what the fuck you're trying to? Damn, Daniel. Back at it again with the white fans.

But I'm like, damn, yeah, I'm the trouble here. You know, you're not going to look at you funny. I'm the one that started this shit. Yeah. Yeah. I got in trouble with the white boys back in the way. We interrupt this episode to bring you game time. Football season is here.

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Go buy those SEC tickets now. Tickets now available with game time picks. You talked about when you were getting good at football, then all of a sudden to be in the nice suburb and stuff like that. How much money did Florida give you to go there? Fred talked about it on the show. Fred, yeah. Fred was very honest.

You guys both Florida boys. there were uh how many stars dude was there a star system back when you played yeah how many were you four okay that's enough to get paid so what happened was i was at a terrible-ass school north springs high school like usher raymond went there raven simone it was a performing arts and a math like a magnet school so i got i got varsity blues my freshman year so i went out to the school i'm talking about razzwell high school and remember varsity blues where they They would let the black kid run the ball down against the 10-year-old line and the white kid running there.

I'm going to get you in that. Exact same, exact same thing happened to me. Sordogh in high school, because I played corner on varsity, but I played running back on the freshman team. And I had something crazy, 350 yards rushing, one touchdown. It was a dude named Mauer who actually passed in the military. And I used to go over his house all the time, rich white dude. and it wasn't anything on on mauer but he had like 60 yards and five touchdowns whenever we got

inside my only touchdown was like a 60 yard run because i had to break you had to do it yourself yeah i had to break to get the touchdown if we ever got in the red zone they they'd start passing it to these white dudes after the game my mom was my mom was like she was like i'm not gonna let this happen anymore you we got to transfer the only school in the area that we lived in was north springs high school and they had a black head coach and that's the reason I went to North Springs. And like after, after a while I found out like,

I found out it was like a, this performing arts beautiful school. I had to pass a math and science test and shit to get in it. And I'm, I'm bright. I, all the school's not hard to me. But I had to pass these tests to get in.

So got into that school, but I was the biggest thing that no one's ever been to the NFL from there other than me. And so I'm in this performing art school. And, uh, I'm playing, you know,

I'm playing well. I'm balling, but we're playing these other little bitty-ass schools, and it's just like this, you know, I think I had like a Fulton County. Junior year had like the Fulton County rushing record and played lineback and all. And then remember when they used to do Nike Elite Camps?

Yeah. That was our time, the Nike Elite Camp. There was one at UGA. And my coach was like, hey, usually goes to this Nike elite camp. And Buster Davis was there. A couple of Ricardo Hurley, South Carolina. I remember Ricardo?

It was some dog ass. You remember Ricardo Hurley? It was from Dalton. Ricardo was crazy. I got a crazy Ricardo story, too. I'll tell you later. So it was those dudes there. And this is ninth grade year.

This is 10th grade year, whatever. So now I see what they become. So I'm there and I ball out. And then that's when, so it's at UGA. So that's when Rick was a head coach, Van Gorda with D.C., Van Halager was a weight coach, all these dudes. I still remember them. And then they offered me.

So I had like SMU and Jackson, Jacksonville State. I had these little bitty bullshit offers. Not bullshit offers, sorry. Just lower schools. SMU about to make a playoff. Congratulations. I'm going to say, like SMU came around.

You know what I'm saying? But then Georgia offered me, and I would say three days later, I had like 100 scholarship offers. Really? Oh, shit. And once they see, because those coaches, bro, it's like football of the Copycat League, that recruiting shit is copycat. Usually one or two big ones. Once you get a big one, the other schools are like,

why the fuck do they want him? And so now they start like they start doing their research and whatever they're like oh if you're into Michigan Ohio State has to offer you now because now they're right and they start doing it

so I had all them damn offers so I actually committed to Georgia I was committed to Georgia for like through well let me go back I was going between Georgia Florida South Carolina North Carolina state with Chuck Amato

and their boosters are very friendly no Carolina states are And then So it was between Georgia and Florida And so then Spurrier decides to go play Go coach the commanders now

I'm getting used to the name change And so as soon as Spurrier leaves Florida Who recruited me for two years I commit to Georgia For like three weeks And I'm in Atlanta, it's a 45 minute drive So I'm driving up to Athens Every weekend

Friday I'm going up to have Hangout with Boss Bailey and what Tony Gilbert and all them boys. I'm gonna be a bulldog. Spurrier gets the job. I love Charlie Strong. I went to South Carolina, visited Charlie Strong.

I love Charlie Strong. But I don't think Columbia, South Carolina is a place for a black man to be. Because as I was there, I felt uncomfortable. So I'm like, Chuck, I love you to death.

Man, very smart dude. Just like the way he communicates is amazing. And so then I committed to Georgia. Then now Zook fucks around and hires Charlie Strong as the DC. Florida and I still had one visit to Florida. I had my last visit Florida, but once

once you take an official like you. Spurrier left. No, I had I had one official left and it was scheduled to go to Florida. But once Spurrier left, I was like fuck and I just committed to Georgia. And I'm going up Georgia for like two or three weekends in a row. I'm going up Georgia's hanging out. And then Zook gets the job and he starts recruit me and I love like Zook's a good dude.

He's a good recruiter. But I'm like, I'm going to Georgia. And then he hires Charlie Strong as the D.C. and Charlie calls him, he was like, Chen, you still got one more of it. Just come down here, eat some stone crab, eat some steak. Like, you know, just enjoy yourself. Come on down.

I said, cool. Went down to Florida. There was some very, there was some handshakes. Expensive handshakes? There was some handshakes, Taylor. My mom had a Mitsubishi Diamante when we went down. Three weeks later, she had an explorer, friends of the program, as they call it.

And it was what it was. And so we're driving back to- Did you ever get any cash? Fred's like, hey, he had, like, what was it, $50,000 or $250,000? It's the craziest thing. And it's so funny because I just don't want to, I got way more money from other schools. But I love Charlie Strong. NC State was, they were, they were very gifting.

Yeah. Now, when you don't go to NC State and they gifted you that much, do they ask for it back? They don't ask for it back. You know who asked for it back? Or the agents that gave you money in college, and then you don't sign with them. That's what I had a problem when I got in the league with.

Or the agents that were, you know, that would come to Gainesville and just hang out. I don't know if it was like that where y'all, but like in Gainesville, the agents would come or have runners. Right. In Gainesville ain't but three clubs on a Saturday night that like the players are going to go to,

you know, they got the little fun. I can duck off the little mono bars that y'all go to. But like the real party. The whole little while. Yeah, the whole little while, what y'all call it, where y'all share beer mugs and shit. But in games, it was like three or four clubs that all the players were going to go to.

So they would have runners go there. And then they talk to you in the bar, they have a section, they buy bottles for you and they give you all this stuff. And they just, like, get your number and, you know, kind of like make you comfortable. So there were two agents, one of them passed, actually. But there were two agents that were, yeah.

And so, what's going on? That man, get his number. Okay. Drew Rosenhouse? It's a Saturday night. Actually, me and Drew don't get along. I interviewed Drew. I don't like, like, arrogance.

Like, I like cool. Like, I like sitting around bullshit. Like, I don't like the arrogance of Drew Rosenhaus. I said, brother. Like, we're cool. We talk when we see each other, but I would never, like, it's, when I met Drew the first time, I, me and my mom met with him. And as soon as he walked out of the room, I was like, me and my mom,

like, nah. Like, that's not my type person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that I'm going to do whatever. It was all about him. It wasn't like, you can do this, you can be this. I'm going to help you do that. Drew's about what he's going to do for you.

So you're the commodity of what my creation is going to build for you. Bitch, you're not out here in these big motherfuckers. You're not out here wrestling big bitches like you. Like, bitch, you, bitch, me, I'm no one out here hitting fucking Derek Henry's and she, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. He just talked about itself so much. So me and Drew didn't get along.

but the the i had some i had two two agents after i signed joe segal was my agent of my whole career joe joe joe uh michael vix agent he has a bunch of great guys morses and all them so i signed with joe but i had some guys i was like in my second or third year so i saw him again and they were like hey bro you know i should i slid you like a hundred i was like man appreciate it a 100 grand during the agent recruiting process yeah or throughout throughout the the time Like that last year in Florida. Yeah, my senior, fuck. I was a sophomore.

Oh, fuck. Yeah, I want to stay at school as long as y'all bitches. That's, that's schools. They were resting my ass every six months. They wrote my guy. I went to election county jail three times. Doing what? Impressionating officers?

No. This is even worse. Just whooping ass. And not even starting it. The frat boys are what got me. They are a problem. And they get all together in their. 50 of them and now they feel tough because it's 50 of them.

But I knew if you knock out four or five bitches quick, the other 45 are going to be like, I don't want to be in his situation. Yeah. So as only thing, in Florida, if you look at my record, I got felony assault charges and all this. It was guys with a big group of people that would feel empowered to go and try, you know,

you're the big dude on campus. Let's go try the big black dude with braids and tattoos and, you know, the guy. did you just call me a bitch? And I'd hit him in the face and he'd fall down and his buddy run up and he'd fall down and then the other 48 would look at their friends

and they'd run away. And I get arrested for assault and I'm like, what the fuck? He's the one that started this all. And that's the conversation I have with Ron's looking Charlie Strong. What the fuck are you doing, Channing? The dude called me a bitch. I punched him to face, coach.

He fell down. Well, jaws broken. That's not my fault. He didn't drink milk when he was a baby. That's his fault. He was drinking when he was a baby. And that's all my,

so all my charges were just fighting like frats or like big, big, like drunk groups of guy fights. And I would be the main one in the middle just swinging. And then now the cops are looking at you. Oh, the big licekin dude, he's the one charged. I didn't start this shit.

I just whoops some ass and finished it. Yeah. And now I'm on papers. When I got to the lead, when I got, when I got drafted by the Dolphins, I still was on probation. And when you got drafted,

this was just, After your junior year? Sophomore year. Right shirt, sophomore year. A gray shirt. It was, that's shaky. So you went to the league after your sophomore year? Yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah. It was shaking. Nice. You really like that, huh? Yeah. I could run, like, I was 4. It's about 245 running the 4-5 and you could, yeah, and I would.

Bend. I mean, good for you, bro. I mean, leaving after your third year is big time. Crazy. Yeah. It wasn't football. No, I'm saying, my football was so easy until the league. That's where high school was cake.

What was your rookie year? 05. I got to have to go after 05. And then Mel Kiper told him out going first round. If we talked about it before, first round, Green Bay at 20. New England run the Patriots won the Super Bowl the year before that. So New England at 32 at the latest. And I was guaranteed $8 million.

So I went to got a million dollar credit line. And spent 300-something thousand from January when I declared until the draft. And then once I dropped the third round and got the $500,000 signer bonus, I was like, yeah, never mind about that credit line. And the Lord of London were like, no, that's not how credit lines works, sir. You have to pay us back. Fuck you. So that whole signing bonus had to go. Oh, no.

Yeah, about pretty much, yeah, I'd say, so three, I'd say three 70. So my signer bonus after tax was like $5.88. So, yeah, most of my son. Man. So you were, you were a problem. Well, what? Yeah, he was a problem. It was a character.

They, they, they, they, they, they, they, peg me as a character guy. They were like, he's a character guy, he's been arrested a number of times, it's going to be a problem. So I was, I was an all American, but they dropped to the third round and all these raggedy ass, like, Odell Thurman went for him. Odell could play ball. Like, low for the two-poo. I remember who that could fucking play ball.

They were six or seven guys before me. Not that. Three or four guys before me that got drafted, and I was like, this bitch ain't better than me. But they were. Yeah, all American boys Oh man How you doing? So you would say you're not a character

You would say you should be labeled as a character guy After a- I shouldn't have been How long this podcast has been Mitch? So after 43 minutes of telling us all the things you told us I'm a character dude Your charismatic label Assault charges being in jail

Spinning a credit line right before the jury I mean But it's not But think about that And you're in a safe place I was characterizes that too You're doing great now. I had a soul case that got figured out my rookie year from college.

That's the crazy thing. And I don't know the details of it. But it's... Same thing as you. It's Bush. It's you are going to call a grown man a bitch and think there's no repercussions of this. No, I came there. I'll tell you, and I came down from Atlanta to Florida.

And I know now, because now I've coached in high school and all. Florida dudes would be like, yeah, you bitch, and they talk shit back and forth. Right. In Atlanta, if you call me a bitch, we have to fight. Like I said, even lock up. Like nowadays, they shoot you, stab people. People are crazy now they.

But back then, when I was with the dolphins, Randy McMichael went to Georgia. Remember the tight end? We were both Georgia boys. And it was Florida Georgia week. And we were talking shit to each other. And we were just talking shit all week. And at some point, Raina was like, man, shut the fuck up.

And I was like, man, fuck you, bitch. And when I said it, I was like, fuck. We have to fight now. And Randy turned around, and this is a Wednesday, this is Wednesday 7 a.m. in the morning. And me and Randy rolled around on the ground, fought through time now, I found out I lost. Because I thought it was a tie.

You thought it was a tie. If you had to think it's a tie to find you lost. That is crazy. And everybody's told me, if you're the guy that says a tie. Hey, we tied, right? Nope, you just said you lost. My thought was he was bleeding, his lip was bleeding, and my lip was bleed. But now I'm hearing it from, you know, Ronnie Brown and different teammates.

They were like, man, Randy was wearing your ass out. And we fought, you know what we did later that? Like after practice, when we went to practice, we still mad and shit. We go to one-on-one drills, you know, pass coverage, and I'm fucking holding them, trying to twist them around. Yeah. After practice, we went to Eden, which is a strip club down the road from the Dolphin Facility. We went to Eden.

We took us a couple shots. We drunk a couple beers. And we went home, and that was the end of it. It lasted for 12 hours. It's beautiful. That's how it's supposed to. to be. Nowadays, it's not like that.

If I'm a GM, I'm still thinking like, okay, he could have some character issues. This dude's a little, is that character issue? Yes. Is that fucking manhood? No. I think it's a little, it could be a space for both. Is that manhood?

If somebody calls you a bitch. If somebody called me a bigger, all right. Oh, now? No. You could call me any fucking word in the book. I'm going to walk away. Like, back then at 22, 21? Yeah, yeah.

You're not calling me a bitch. Hey, you were around. If you say the word bitch. we're going to touch each other. And there's no other words out there that would affect you the way bitch does. It's some phrases that can affect. But just that word bitch.

When I was 20, if you called me a bitch, we're touching each other. And if you call me a bitch and you're riding the way on the bus, now it's on site. Next time I see you, I got to touch you. Are you going to tell him? Or you're just going to walk up and start swinging.

I tell everybody, yeah, we got a fight, we got to fight. Yeah, I don't want to sneak anybody. I walk up. I've actually, this might help some of the kids out there. I, as I might help some kids. So recently, probably I don't say recent, last five, five, five, eight years. We still go, me and my wife still part. I don't know if y'all are old cramudgeons, but we still get in the streets.

Me and my wife party, we go to South Beach, we go to all the clubs. I'm an old crumptious. birthday parties like we go out we go to a strip club like we hang out me and my wife hang out and the legitibugs you know they get going you know people get you know drunk or they whatever drugs in their system inebriated with something and they get a little antsy and they start arguing at you i'll calmly start tying my shoes like if you start if you get all mad and you're sitting there and you're talking shit and your boys on your back i'll be like now wait two seconds and I just calmly start tying my shoes

and they'll be like, what the fuck you're doing? I was like, no, we'll get after. Hold on. Let me just get ready. They don't, like,

it blows their mind. Like, he's getting ready to fight. This isn't emotional. And I won't have no, I'll be like, no, let me tie up.

I was like, let me tie up, man, let me take my watch off and then we'll fight. And it's the fuse probably 20 fights that I was about to get in over the last eight years.

Because then they have to think about it. Like, what the fuck does he know that I don't know. If he's tying his shoes and taking his jewelry off calmly and I'm this emotional, he's about to choke the shit out of me. And I was.

And they walk away and they yell over their buddy's shoulder. And I'm like, okay, buddy, have a good one, man. Let me ask you a hypothetical. I hope the kids, yeah, the kids out there. That's good. So calm, calm, if you're going to fight somebody, tie your shoes first. Calmly, tie your shoes and tell them, hold on two seconds. Let me get ready.

It'll help diffuse the situation. It defuses the situation, but it also makes them think about he has to know something because I'm fighting off emotion and he's fighting off knowledge. And not necessarily to know something, but you're also thinking like, this is a crazy motherfucker. He just handles this. He enjoys this. And I enjoy fighting.

He wants blood. Like we just don't like with the lockup. I love lockups. Like if y'all were like, hey, let's go wrestle. I'd be like, okay shit, we can go. Like, let's go wrestle. Will was just saying before the podcast, how he's been wanting to wrestle somebody lately. We can lock up.

Like, we'll lock up and see you might dump my ass. I might dump your ass. I think Will's got you. He can wrestle. He's from Missouri. Not with him fucking rebocs him. These little goddamn pedal pushers. Man, he said, he should drive a took.

He's a nice, what you're talking about. Y'all know what the took took here? No, I do not what I do. That little bike with the little, the basket in the back that people ride around festivals on. Dude, I've been wanting to ask all the time you talk about Florida and then going in the draft at what 04 you said? Five. So were you around during the, that documentary, that cat, the year of the bull? Yeah, T.C. Torchall?

Yeah. What is this? What is this? So they made like this documentary because he went to Miami of Northwestern. And the Miami of Northwestern culture is absolutely fucking crazy. Like they're fighting their coaches. Like it's crazy. They're an incredible football team.

But these coaches, they would be, they'd be fighting in practice. It'd be halftime. If they were down or if it was closer or anything, the coaches are in there and they're slapping the shit out of all the kids like in the shower. But I remember watching the year of the bull of this cat TC because he ended up committing to Coach Zook. Yeah. Because Coach Zook was at Illinois at the time.

when I was getting recruited, and it was like, I'm watching this cat, so you play with him. Yeah, no, T.O. I was good. That thing they should have put, they tried to make him play linebacker. They should have put him a D.N. off back. He's a way better D.N. Because he was like one of the highest recruits coming out, right? I think T.C. had 30 sacks this senior year. Something crazy.

But he wasn't the biggest guy, so they tried to put him at like off the ball backer, which I think it was a mistake for him. At Florida? At Florida. Okay. But T.C. could play. Because I was curious what happened to him. T.C. was built like a grown-ass man.

And then the, a lot of, a lot of, of them guys the discipline of it. So a lot of guys at Florida, we had, man, we had so many great athletes, but the discipline of those guys that come from some schools, like, you can even see it where the guys from, the guys from bowls.

Just sprints out of nowhere. And jumps on them. I know that coach. I see him to this day. What is he doing? There's building culture. These kids fight back? He's teaching him a lesson. What lesson is he teaching? I'm fine. If you say something crazy to me, I'm going to choke the shit out of you. I don't know.

He's different down there, bro. He should have tied his shoes first. Yeah. No, TC can play. Me and TC had a lot of, we, we won a lot of fights together. But he, uh, yeah, he didn't pan out, fit. Now he's like a gym. He's huge now.

He's muscular. He's like a personal trainer. He's still in Miami. Yeah. We had some dogs and we had some dogs. That whole. Well, yeah, bro. I feel like the, Urban's crew was Zook's recruits.

608, those, those championship teams. Chris and Lee. won the 06 championship, Tebow was a gadget guy. And they didn't even give Chris Leake a lot of credit in that documentary, bro. He threw a beautiful ball. Are you talking about Swamp? The Swamp, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Florida Gators one.

That was that documentary was so disappointing. It was so disappointing. Especially all the trouble that happened too. They didn't cover none of that. Chris Leake was just like, he was just a moment in that documentary. And you're right, like he was the man. He was the, he was the monster. So me and Chris, me and Chris came in together.

He was the offensive, uh, freshman of year. I was even freshman a year and one of them damn whatever. I don't know. I did something. He's a freshman

All-American or something. All that shit. So we did something. We used to do like these little, these little tours together and just be the two little, you know, little, hey, we have,

we have good players here. And it was me and Chris doing all this stuff as freshmen. But Chris was the dog, but all those guys, the Jarvis Mosses and the Marcus Thomases, the Ray McDonald's, all them dudes that went to the league,

those were Zook recruits. Urban, Urban inherited a hell of a that Urban brought a Tebow and put some damn structure around it. And that's where Urban started winning championships. And then if you look, when Urban didn't have those guys, he had to recruit his own guys. Now his heart start hurting him. Think about it.

Now you remember the story? Y'all remember what happened. Now the bitch couldn't win. Go hang out of this family. It's hard. And then he went to Ohio State. Yeah. With a lot of good recruits.

He wanted to go get another batch of great recruits. Urban ain't dumb. Urban's just, look at him, look at him, there we go. Oh, oh, I ain't got no five stars. Yeah, my heart's murmuring. Bitch on my, y'all ain't murmuring nothing. Big fan of Urban. Urban's a good coach.

I think he's a terrible recruiter. What would you learn from your teammates that were still at Florida when you're in the league because I'm assuming like you still have relationships with guys? Because you're learning, you're still learning about that Florida Gator team that was the Florida Gators back in the late 2000s. Yeah. I left because Zook left. that was one of the reasons I went early

as a great short sophomore so I was getting I got arrested three times in my first two years so the last time I got arrested with my worst one that was the felony charges and Urban ended up getting the jobs

Zafir Zook were like four games left in the season and Zuck remember we I don't remember if we beat Florida State so we went to Florida State and beat Florida State on Bobby Bowdoin Memorial Night whatever and we carried Zuck off the field and all that shit so we played the Peace Bowl that year

and now Zook left because Urban was already hired throughout that whole stretch. So Charlie Strong was the head coach of the Peach Bowl that he went to Atlanta. And throughout, like, between the last game and the bowl game, I'm partying still.

I used to go. I used to party. I was out every night. Every single night. Shouldn't have been a character? Yeah, you shouldn't have been labeled a character guy. You've proved the haters.

I'm a guy of the community. And the female race. Yeah. a misogynistic. I like everybody to enjoy life. And I want to give my body and my time to everyone. No, but, and so I got a call from, I forget the area code. It was like a Thursday night, 7-61, call my cell phone, call myself,

and call myself on. We're at my actual, at my apartment. We're partying. And the phone called me four or five times over and over again. So I finally pick up and I'm mad. I'm like, man, who is, hey, what's up? Who is this? They were like, hey, this is Coach Anderson from Utah, because that's where Urban came from.

He was at Utah with Alex Smith and him and all that shit. He was like, this is, this is, this is coach Anderson from Utah. And, you know, Urban Meyer got the job and he wants to, and I'm already thinking about leaving. I already talked to agents. Like we talked about already, you know, I've allegedly made it takes some money from different people. So I'm thinking about leaving. And then they called and he, you know, I pick up and he's like, hey, this is Coach Anderson, you know, you know coach mire got the job he like to talk to you i was like yeah put him on the phone

first thing he ever said to me i said hello he said hey this is coach mire i said what's up coach say yeah i heard you know you're getting some trouble and we're not going to deal with that when i get down there we need good leaders we need good structure we need and i'm thinking i'm like the first time you ever talk to me you're going to reprimand me i've never seen urban my before This is before Urban was what Urban is not. This Irmaier was a D2 coach that luckily got the Florida job. First thing he said was, yeah, I hear you get in a lot of trouble. And I'm not going to deal with that when I get down there.

I said, I'll do respect, Coach. This ain't the way you talk to me. And I hear the phone shuffle. And then Coach Anderson picks the phone back up and says, okay, we'll see you soon. No shit. And that's when I said, I called my mom the next morning. I was like, I'm going to the league. I was like, after this Peach Bowl, I'm going to play Miami.

We play Miami. Miami Beach said I was Devin Hester went crazy Frank I think Frank went crazy too I know Devin went crazy and uh and I told my mom like I'm leaving I was like I'm gonna declare and if you look we played the peace bowl on New Year's Day whatever I declared on the third and I'm like I can't play for a dude like that

then these bidss is going with that championship next year God how sick were you? How sick? Because you know too like when they're making the run he's like I wouldn't mind if they maybe just drop one game drop one Yeah I want them to go far because it's my alma but they can't win the Nath. It's crazy.

So I'm out there. I go to the game because I know everybody on the team. I go out there at Arizona, Ted Ginn, and me and T.G. are boys because he got drafted in the Dolphins. Teddy Ging gets hurt from the first player that National Championship game. Ohio State out there. And I'm sitting right on the sideline watching the motherfucking win the national championship. God.

Part of you sick, huh? That was that. And the year I retired, I had a workout scheduled with the Seahawks. So I went to New England worked out. I had a Buffalo workout and the Seahawk workout. And after the New England workout, my wife was pregnant, I was like, well, shit, I'm going to hang it up for you. I didn't plan to retire.

I was like, I'm going to chill for a year. And then the Seahawks won the Super Bowl to the next year. Hold on. You thought you should sit out for a year and hang out? I was really like. And then come back to the league? But I already had guaranteed. I had guaranteed because it was after the lockout year.

Yeah. So they cut me when we came back from the lockout, what was that, 10? Yeah. We, I was in college. But yeah, I think it was 2010. You little fucking puppy. Look at his mustache. But we got past it.

Well, we came back from the lockout. He was in college too. You little bitches. I remember that the lockout year was 2010. Okay, so 10 lockout year. Software in college. That was so. Okay.

So in that year, if you had, so knowing the lockout was going to come, you would backload your contract. So I backloaded my contract. So I took some money off my signing bonus, put it in the end to guarantee. So three-year deal, good money up front, low second year, third year guaranteed because if it lock out you still want to get paid so when they cut me i already had guaranteed money and this is the dolphins right when they cut you yeah so they all have guaranteed money and they were like hey you want to take pay because i was like i'm not

taking anything under which i'll guarantee me because i already took it off the front end and so they're like well we need the money we'll move i was like well you do what you want to jeff island you kiss my ass i'm not taking any more money you already owe me this so it's like okay so i'm already got to check that year so i'm like to your point i was like yeah i'm just i'm just i'm just get these checks. I'm going to work out a little bit. I'm a, you know, it was my first son who's 13 now. I was a little chan. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to just chill out, chill out for this year, workout, get healthy, get everything back, and I'm going to go back

and play. And that was after the New England workout. Yeah, New England had Buffalo set up and Seahawks. And then the Seahawks won the next year. And then, but shit, it was, it was probably, after I said, I'm going to take a year off, it was three weeks later. I remember where I was sitting on the couch in my house. And it was like a, Wednesday morning and I just felt like the no, there's no pressure on me because I was a guy, you know,

I learned under Zach Thomas and Junior Seyal of the fucking, like, anal fucking film study. Like, when I opened my eyes in the morning, I think of like, okay, 12 person now if the tight end motions over, not yo-yo,

if he just goes straight over, that has to be a run. But if he yo-yo's, they'll pass because they want to, like, I used to think about, like, all these little intricacies. And I was sitting there on a Wednesday morning, drinking coffee,

my son was crawling around in the fucking little pads, little fences you, little dog fences you put your kids in here. And I'm sitting there and I'm just, I'm just at a calm place and I was like, man, fuck this, football shit. I was like my, like the mental,

like I didn't know how much pressure was football put on me until it stopped. Isn't that interesting? Like the, my last few years like when I was out, when I was, it's like when I got cut from the Saints and got an injury settlement.

And I've seen the last thing I had played for was the Titans. And you're seeing the Titans kind of in it. That was when you guys was a nine and seven year. But at first, the way you guys started the season, you're like watching these games unfold. And you're thinking, fuck, thank God, I don't have to be in those team meetings. Oh, you're talking about the 19, right?

Yeah, 2019. When you just start to taste like just the other side of it a little bit, and then you just start to like, man, this stress is fucking different from when you're operating every day, playing football every day, and you've been doing it your entire life. It's interesting when you, like, get out of the game for a little bit, and you see guys in the way they operate,

and the way you can see the way they're viewing the world. And you're thinking yourself, man, if you just zoomed out a little bit, you would realize that what you're solely focused on right now is not that big of a deal. I mean, I remember even our conversation all the time. Yeah, absolutely. Because I was very much like you were explaining it. I was 100% ball all the time. And I would be stressed.

I would know I was stressed. But even watching it now, like going and watching a warmness before a game, it's like, I can't believe I played. I cannot, like it seems like a completely different level. See, the hits that happen. You're like, fuck. Like, Jesus. You see Trevor Lawrence yesterday can hit the way he did.

I'm thinking to myself, if I was playing, I'm fighting that guy immediately. I'm getting ejected from that game. Yeah. And then I think back, I sit back and look at my two kids and like, but I'm on the couch chilling. Like that, like, you feel the moment where you're like, oh, I don't got to do nothing. Like, nothing's got to happen here. Like, I'm just living my life now. It's just crazy.

The war that you're in. The war is one, but the mental side of it of, like they say the 1% and 1% shit, you don't know that because you were always that. Right. You can say it. Like you can say the words. People say, oh, you're 1%, 1%, you're like, yeah. But it never registers the fact that you're doing what they're saying you are. Because we, we were good in high school. We got scholarships. When we got the school, we were good. Like, it was no fight. Like, we worked hard, but it was no fight, fight, fight. You get to the league and you're starting. You're playing. Oh, this is life. And the, but the mental side of it, like, that's the craziest shit to me is when that day sitting down and I did not think about an offensive line.

I didn't think about when they run the power that off guard is going to be a little wider than, so I'm trying to read this fucking triangle. I would wake up thinking about the triangle, both guards to fullback, both guard. Like, fuck that shit. I don't want to look at a goddamn foolback again. You're logging it, you strong arming it?

Like, how are you going to? Do I front side this power or do I stay in the back A? Like that shit. And they used to just wear it on my fucking mind. and I was sitting on the Wednesday morning I remember little chain was right there TV was there my wife was in the bedroom

taking the shower or something and I said fuck this football man this is what I want to do and that's when it was it man you're just thinking I don't need this shit anymore yeah well yeah the contracts didn't hurt yeah if I hit that second contract I'd still been out there running around

oh for sure yeah basically running out on kickoff yeah but then yeah I hit that second contract got me a little what was your first move when you were when you were retired because obviously the pivot the podcast success doesn't happen for until years after.

Like, how'd your transition go when you were first transitioning out of the league? A lot of guys struggle. Yeah. Not, I think the media side was easy for me because my last couple years, they asked me to a radio show. So on Monday night, I do an hour.

And Friday night, I do an hour on, like, this radio show. And it'd be a remote. It'd be, honestly, the first point was at Hooters. They were like, come to Hooters, talk about football for an hour, and we'll give you $1,000. I was like, This is great.

When? All I'm doing is paying for the meal. I'm going to drink. Have a good time. You know, I wasn't even married back then. I was like, shit, might grab me something. We got to go. Got this whole place around the corner right there.

We don't have a kiss. Don't got a kiss. Don't even got a kiss. Let's go. I'm not a kisser. But don't, so I did that. And then Channel 6 news down there, they used to record me talking shit to the media. And they used to call it, they called it, they called it crowders corner.

So they were, like, edit it. And they just said when all the media walked in, I just, just make fun of everybody walking in, make fun of all the beat riders, make fun of everybody. Just roast everybody. And just roast people as they walk in, and they'd edit,

they cut out the cuss words, and they play it as the credits ran on the news. And they asked the Dolphins, could they do it? And Dolph was like, okay. So then when my retirement, when my retirement was announced, the radio station,

I still work for, to this day, 5, 6th, W.Q.A.m., the Odyssey station, I went through like CBS and a bunch of people bought it, but it's Odyssey now. And they were like, hey, would you want to do a show? And I was like, yeah, man, I'll do anything.

Guy that does the play-by-play for the Panthers now, the color for the Panthers, Steve Goldstein, he had to put between radio and TV, and they asked me, like, you wanted to show. So everything's just like, God, I don't know religious show or whatever, but God just lined it up. And it was like, hey, do radio.

And I think the radio led into the podcasting. And then I did the local TV shit for the, you know, like we can all do the dolphins, you know, dolphins and Titans, post games, little local stuff. So I did that. and letting them podcasting. And then it was just a cake.

And then, you know, my wife's in real estate, you know, buying houses and doing all that shit. And it's just like, yeah. So fairly smooth. Yeah. Was there a moment of like identity crisis at all? Like your whole life, you've been a football player? And even with the transition, even seeing, okay, I see that there's a path for me to find

some sort of like, you know, this is my new me. Was there ever that transition to being like, hey, I'm leaving something behind that I've had forever? Not really. I figured to that question, Taylor, I figured out, I never thought about football in the fashion that people think about it. Like some people, talking to Fred and Ryan and the boys, talking to some guy, they were like, I want to be a Hall of Famer.

I want to be a, I want to lead the league in tackles. I want to do this, do that. Every single game I played in on the way, on the bus, on away games and in my truck on home games I would think about how much money I'm about to make that afternoon swear to God from my rookie year my rookie year I remember I made $17,800 a game

my rookie year after taxes and I would drive in and I'd be like listen go out here and hit some bitches hard and they're about to give you $18,000 then you get to your bigger contracts and it's $100,000 a game $200 grand and I'm like they're about

to pay you $200,000 to go out here and tackle these bitches, bro, go out here and we would not have gotten a lot. I'm just telling you, we would not have gotten a law. We need more buy-in, more sacrifice. It was a lot.

But the funny thing is that through Junior Seyal, who was the first guy in the building, I would be the first guy in the building. Money through Friday? You could never beat me to the facility. I was the first one there working out by myself before team workouts. And then Zach was an afternoon guy.

After practice, film watcher, I would sit right there with Zach. I'd be in a facility for 14, 15 hours. I would put the work in, but I wasn't trying to be the greatest football player ever. I thought it was crazy that they're paying me this kind of money to go out here and hit people. And I'm like, bro, go get this check. I mean, I love that. I do like that span at the end. You know what I was like, bro, go get this check.

And I would do the work to do it. But I'm going to go out here. And it was never, I never thought about Hall of Fame. I don't know the linebackers in the Hall of Fame. I don't like Zach, my man, he would know, Carlos Dansby would know, a Brandon Marshall would know, they would know like that their number three in tackles

or number three in receptions or number three in interceptions ions in the linebacker. So if they can get to two, then they would probably make, they would know that shit throughout the whole year. Yeah. They'd be like cry the way. Keeping tabs on everybody.

I led the dolphin in tackles one year. I think my second year. It was early, in my first, second or third year, I lit it off on the tackles. And when they told me, I was like, huh? Like, yeah, man, 140 tackles. I was like, oh, yeah, Zach was hurt.

I'd be, I beat Zach because he got hurt. Okay, shit, there we go. Congratulations. Y'all, bitch, he just paid me $3 million. Let me get this check. I love that perspective. Yeah, it was really just, it was a, like, my joking way of saying it

is I played in NFL like I worked at Walgreens. You know how people work at Walgreens? wait for that first and 15th check. Yeah. Like I would do all the work to be good in football, but it was real like I worked at Walgreens. How much y'all about to pay me this month? Shit.

How many, y'all need some tackles? Y'all want me to stop this run? I'm going to stop the run. He's going to catch the ball because I can't cover that bitch. But if y'all want me to stop this run, I'll stop this run. They have me to cover Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates and them. I go tell the coach, before the game, coach, this slot formation,

Antonio Gates is going to catch the ball If we don't check something No, I tell him No, what's talking about? I say, y'all, we running the corner's over And now I'm going to be on Antonio Gates Because they're going to flare that fucking forwardback And I got to take Antonio

And he's going to catch the ball Well, you got to get low and inside And all that bullshit they tell you I said, Coach, slice the seven Kiss my ass This bitch is about to catch this ball And they go catch the ball And I go to the sideline

I said, Coach I told your ass He can kiss this fucking ball, he's good What they say after? How do you coach that? We're trying to tell you how to cover it. Yeah. They want to lever it inside and slide and cut the seven and, you know, watch his hip and put your hand low on his back and, bitch,

this is Tony fucking Gonzales, bitch. You get out there and cover him, Paul Pascolone. That was one of the coaches wouldn't listen to me. Paul Pascolone, dumb ass. Coach, fuck this defense. Because my mom, I'm from Atlanta. We play Tony in Atlanta. And I'm thinking I'm white.

That's when Tony went to Atlanta. Coach, do not make me cover Tony Gonzalez. I got 60 people in the stands. Well, we're going to run slot. We're going to run the quarters. Oh, that's going to put me on Tony Gonzalez. Do not do it. It's a fucking waste of time.

This bitch had seven catches for 80 yards in the first half. Something stupid. And I went to halft. I said, bitch, I told you. I said, if you call that defense, I'm going to switch. I'm going to go play wheel.

And whoever was the wheel, I was going on. I think it was Derek Paul. I was, I'm going to put him at Mike. I'm going to play wheel. I'm not getting embarrassed like this guy. At half time he said to the coach. I told him.

I said, if you know Zach Donald said, they're like, no, Zach, it wasn't Zach at the time. It might have been. Come on. Come on, bro. Just fucking. It's one route out of this formation. No, because if Zach wasn't the mic, if Zach was the right.

So many routes he can run. Yeah, yeah. I learned it. I learned it from Zach because Zach used to tell coaches this shit doesn't work. He used to line up. He used to see the formation. Zach's like rain man. Zach would see it.

What does they motion back coach? where did they go trips with a bunch? And he was a safe and the coach's going to answer his question. And so I started learning like football like that. Right, right. Well, we don't need to draw. We don't need to draw shit up. Like, let's talk football.

We would hear, I would hear guys bitching and complain all the time in the locker room by stuff. The next year they'd be gone. Those guys that they were the loudest about, this shit don't work. You will be gone next year, friend. They're getting money when they're a little glimpse. I started bitching after they gave me my money.

Fuck that shit, Coach. Fuck you, Coach. I ain't coming that bitch anymore. bro. But they ain't paid me to it after Zach left. So Zach got traded to Casey first in Dallas. Zach with Casey Dallas. And that's when they paid me to play middle

and brought Carlos Dan's been able to play Will. I love Jan. Dude, that fucking thought process. It's actually a beautiful thought process because it seems way less stressful than when I was going to do. Like I would keep tabs on all the other tackles that were like in the same realm at those years. And if they gave up a sack,

I'd have to be like, good. More for me. Good. I'm just, dudes that I liked, dudes that I considered friends. I'd be like, I love them.

But they gave up a sack, I'd be like, I look better now. Like it's, this is the war. You're playing an individual battle and a team battle. And I was all about like,

looking at the stats, looking at all that stuff. Like you said, your boys were, that's how it was. It's funny. I tell the story about, uh,

Sean, money, uh, Marshall Lynch. Mm-hmm. When he was a Buffalo, I go to Buffalo. He'd come pick up in hotel.

We go to Toronto, go to the strip club, eat, Have a good time When he came to Miami I pick him up We go to Tutsis Hang out bullshit

We go to the game We go warm up Do all that shit We go to the game Whatever You know he's warming up I'm gonna walk to the We dab each other up

Hey man I'm whoop your ass today He'd be like Bro you ain't gonna tackle me Fuck you And we go out there And battle For four quarters

Then after the game We hug Hey man We play y'all in three weeks Man I think we get up to about two Shit Call me

give me the schedule and we just It was crazy Guys like you don't understand that No Guys like me do not understand that I'm literally in fighter flight Every day of my car

Every day I really like People I played against I would like I would see dudes I would see dudes like you Walking to the locker room With that carefree attitude

I'm going to go to this I think to myself How the fuck Are they going to go to Like we would land in Miami To play Miami And there'd be a bus Full of guys going to Tutsis

Yeah And I think to myself How the fuck are they gonna go do something like that That's crazy. It's crazy. It's ball. I bought a $700 car, old cutlass one time before a game, like Saturday before a game, just because the guys in the locker room were like, you know,

everybody's trying to show out, driving in these fucking mazoradis and all that shit. So I went into the hood and I bought, like, I bought this old-ass cutlass and the brakes were shot. So I couldn't go more than 35 down the turnpike. So I just got in a slow lane put on the hazard lights and just rode 35 because if you go up 35, the brakes wouldn't work and I'd hit something. and I drove it all the way to the stadium just to sit it up front in front of everybody's

mazorati's and escalades and shit like I was like it was just a it was a I don't say it was a joke because I did work hard yeah but it was also Walgreens it was just it's a job man yeah

like I said it's a beautiful mindset it's a fucking job yeah this dude gets 382 minus taxes every two weeks we get 382000 every two weeks but you still got to come to work, do what your boss says, and grind.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would have loved to have left after three years of Nebraska, fall to the third round. Yeah. Think about picking up $700 cars on the way to the game. Man, well, your hips weren't real quick. Exactly. I'm never on a contract where I'm like, hey, coach, we shouldn't run this call.

Because I can't cover Tony Gonzalez. He's like, you better fucking figure it out. You better cover it to turn in a lot. You better fucking cover. You got to be honest with people sometimes. Yeah. You were saying, call football is easy for you to take it as the NFL.

Was it hard when you get to the NFL because of just the NFL's harder? Or was it just what was so difficult about it? Because you brought it up a couple of times. Oh, just the players. Just everyone's just good. Just, man, I remember, remember Chris Chambers? No. The receiver Chris Chambers played for Miami.

It was the first guy that like, I remember early in OTAs. He was received play for the Dolphins. I'm going to Wisconsin. And I turned to cover a crossing route. And when I turned to cover it, I saw the quarterback release it. And so I'm thinking like, okay,

I'm about to, you know what I'm saying? I turned over this shoulder to cover him going this way. And I put my hand up. And all I saw was nuts and dick in my face. And I look up and Chris had like a 40-inch vertical. And it was a first time I've ever seen somebody

jumped that high when I got to, to the NFL and I was like how could I ever stop this ball from getting received this bitch is 12 feet in the air can I stop this ball from getting

like I was like no say I'm thinking like how the what the fuck technique the wording is so funny can you teach me to stop this and swear to God when I turned it and I just saw I just saw legs and dick I was like what in the fuck if I got myself into

that was the thing man Jonathan Ogden dog He talked to me during plays when I played in the first time. You said that last time you're on. He talked to me during plays like watching Randy Mawes, Lidani and Tomlinson 06. Like it was times when, like I say, it's funny.

I talk about Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez in them because I just, at Mike, you're always around the tight ends. Man, it's just, oh, that goddamn Chiefs line with Willie Roof and Will Shields and all them. Bro. Oh, Steve Hutchinson, the big white boy. Yeah, always mad about something. They were so good at football.

And I was like, I'm not this good at this game. Can y'all please give, can y'all please give me $20,000? That was when they took like, priest was old and Larry, remember Larry? He just, quite like, can you please just give me $20,000 as you're transitioning something else? I'm just thinking to that team. That was a team that, like, legitimately just took a week off. Dick Vermil just gave him a week off because they were like undefeated. And they would have like hat day on their walkthroughs and everything.

And that was the thing. Remember Vernon Carey from UM? him. One of my first time, he threw me into the chain link fence on the side of dolphin feet. Like, I blitzed off the edge and they were running the zone that way. So he was already headed that way. And they were on the right hash. And he caught me. And I'm just, you know, I'm in college mode. Just, I'm, ah, I'm faster than you. That bitch caught me in the air. And he walked me 20 yards and then threw me into the chain link fence, like my third practice.

And I was like, fuck. But it's just, but the difference in high school, I was one of the best athletes on the field at all. times. College, I was one the best athletes on the field at all times. I got to the NFL.

I was at a 22, I might have been top eight, 10, and that was a difference. Them motherfuckers are good. Still pretty good.

Still pretty good. Yeah, like I can play, but. It was wild to me, but the NFL is figuring out that not everybody is that good.

Like, every team has four or five guys that are elite and usually the starters are really good, but the twos and threes, the drop-off is insane.

Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Because you think of the NFL, you think everybody is so good. And then you really, there's a huge difference, a huge talent gap between the ones and even the twos. Yeah. That's what you see with teams like the whole injury thing, when teams get, teams like, oh, this roster's loaded. No, this roster's top heavy.

Yeah. And you have dogs, but if they spray the ankle. Yeah. I mean, look at the Niners. The Niners right now. They got these shit beat out of them. Yeah, they got injuries all over. How about Josh Allen, dude?

I mean, he might be, it might be his year. Maybe. If he can get over the curse of beating the Chiefs in the... Which I think he will. I don't think the Chiefs are going to... And it's over. Just like that. I cannot.

This fucking guy, man, just won't get out of his own way. The Chiefs are, I think, done this year. I mean, they're a great team. I just don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl this year. You see the Eagles out there. You see the Lions. I know. You see the Bulls.

But it's him. I can't wait to see that. It's his fault. The Eagles Lions and the Championship game. The physicality in that game. Hey, give me the Lions. I like the Lions. I like the Lions.

I love their culture. I love their attitude. I love the way they process everything. I love their offensive line, how gritty and mean they are. I fuck with the lions. All this cute shit swung. So all these cute motherfucking coaches,

all the McDaniels and guys I'm friends with, McVeigh and the McClure, the Chenehan and Tree. They show the fucking picture every time you watch it on TV. They show all of them with the... With Washington. Commanders.

I'm learning. You want that name back? You want that old name back? I don't want it back, but it's just this fucking... You don't want to back? I don't know. Man, this is 2024.

People fuck with you. Some people want to be called different names and pronouns. I struggle with this. I'm a country bitch. You want to dive into that? Jump on in. I don't want to dive into it. But do you see the teams that are successful are the ones that kick ass?

Yeah, the teams take on the culture of their head coach. But the ones that start fucking people up are the teams that are good. Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. But the Lions is. the Eagles, all that, that somebody can just fucking come down hill and just whip your ass.

You can't do with that. It was just like back when we played. Or when I played and when y'all played, because you've made it perfectly clear that I'm way old, y'all. You're very old. Back when we played, we ran the fucking power 18 times a game.

Beautiful. We call it checking your oil. That's what happened. You had to check their fucking oil. Find out. How hard to run it was. Find out if they really want. The Ravens?

The Ravens do it. Think about it. The AFC. the Packers Now you're talking about the floor Like the Packers are a physical team too Josh Jacobs He's third in the league in rushing

Jacobs but they run that They run that wide zone Let me tell you some of that zone That shit can be just as defeating As a power If you run it that consistently Yeah it is Because I was

I went from the power Gap scheme playbook Like my first three years Four years And then after that we went to Like that zone Everyone kind of running at a 45 degree angle and you'll find the hole somewhere.

And I was like the most resistant to it. That was when I was probably the most vocal about this shit is not working. I went to an OTA's practice and guys went inside four or five times getting TFLs and I was like, this shit's stupid. We should not do this. If you have an office line that can run that, that is the best offense. It will fucking ruin you. Yes.

I used to love plenty of zone of the backer because it's set. You just have to read the guy in front of you. If he gets hooked, you go fast. If he gets as long as you got somebody set in the edge So where I can't get outside You have to have somebody set in the edge You can't have somebody get displaced in the front end And you can't have somebody get cut off on the back end

Yeah That's why there's so many There's so much room for error With gap scheme it's all It's ABC gap Like this you do You go into out Inside zone

Same thing like you have a structure Of where everything's going to go When it comes to outside zone Dude it could be anywhere It could go off The tight end slash block at the end And just cut right off that Like it's what's so great about that offense

I love it I hate it it and now I love it. But power. Power is where you find out if you're a man. That's, take your oil. Yeah. I do have, speaking of checking your oil and running the football and playing great

defense, I do have my annual all-white roster dropping this week. Yeah, what you? Is your all-white roster? It's this year? Yeah. It's a new year every year. Yeah, it's a new year, bro. I mean, we got some.

You saw the game last night. You saw Cooper de Jean. But you can't turn over. You can't be a lot of turnover. Yeah, you got to play smart football. And we got some good. milk in this rookie class. You look at Cooper DeGine, Riley Moss really showing himself as a DB.

Riley Moss. Blankenship in the back end, Harrison Smith. Blankenship. Blankenship. I'm just saying, bro. You think any goddamn person ever said, hey, coach, I don't know if I'm open, blanking ships on me. They're going to play some quality zone defense.

Special team. Our nose. You got, you got. Man, when you told me this shit, I was like, well, you text me. I was like, it can't be year to year because the turnover is not that good for your side. Listen, do you want to hear my roster? Let me hear it. All right.

This is, this. Quarterback. You got some quarterbacks. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, making a repeat, coming back on the squad. Got it. Running back. Congratulations. Christian McCaffrey.

He just got hurt. Listen, this is that. You're assuming full health. Christian McCaffrey. I'm saying that's it in his body. Second year in a row. Yeah. But his body's, he's very talented.

His body's frail. James Connor, I think,'s on the fence. His middle name's Earl. No. So I think you can look at that. James, Earl Redd. He likes skin. James Earl Connor.

Fullback. Patrick Ricard. Alec Ingold. You saw this special on Alex. Engold's black. You saw the special on him the other night. He don't say the word. Both of his adoptive parents are white.

If you saw this special, you know, he's with us. So is it, is it heritage or is it adopted by white? Tie it. Tie it. Tie it. Tight in. Tight in. It's yours.

Tight-in. Brock Bowers. Tray McBride, George Kittal, Travis Kelsey. Kettle. Y'all got some tight-in. Tackles. We're taking Jordan Milata.

He's from Australia. Call them. He's from Australia and playing rugby. Rugby. Australian is probably the most white country. Lane Johnson. You got Lane. Center, we got all of them.

Yeah. When I look that interior line, y'all holding it down. Guard, Chris Lindstrom, and Kevin Zaitler. Zitler. Zyller. Zylor. Yeah, yeah, Browns.

Joe Tuny, Quentin Nelson, Will Fries from the Colts. Wide receiver. Ladd McConkey, Cooper Cup, Alec Pierce, Luke McCaffrey, Drake London. He kind of seems like he can skate our way. London, England. So y'all just go. So can we have the Polynesians? I think we got Pooka Nucua.

Interior D-line. Interior D-line, interior D-Rlein. So you have everybody. Zach Saylor, Braden Fiske. Harrison Phillips. You call JJ Y. I'm sure you can get a couple good snaps at a. I'm just going to scream out the names.

The edge. Aidan Hutchinson. T.J. Watt. Trey Hendrickson. Lee's the Lansing. Max Crosby. Check up the Bosa. Probably.

Put Lamar Jackson in the backs. Now, hey, you might have a case to get Crosby. Crosby's black? Yeah, I mean. Triesby. Oh, he got a little edge to him. He does. He got a little something to him.

Yeah. Did you say last? Ladd? Somebody's name is Ladd-McConkey. Slot receiver. Played at Georgia. Linebacker. A little itty-bitty white boy. Breaks him off. Linebacker. Logan Wilson. Robert Spillane. Payton Wilson. Jack Campbell. Jack Gibbons. Spillane. Yeah, Spillane. Yeah, Spillian. Don't give him a nickname. Third and one. No one needs a nickname. Third and one,

2020. The safety. Derek Henry, through the middle. Who's there? Robert Spillane. Cracked his ass. Pop. Got a stinger. Yeah, he was out for a couple plays. But he was. He came back. He loves football. He loves football. Safety, read blanket chip.

Yeah, y'all need to put together. Harrison Smith. Christian McCaffrey. Do they play table tennis? Cornerback. Cooper DeGine, Riley Moss, Ethan Bonner. Now, what you should be thinking to yourself is? Ethan Bonner.

Yeah, practice squad guy. He's going, he's locking it down. He's going to do something. He's going to do enough. We're playing zone. You're rushing three, you're dropping eight. You're rushing three? Yeah, the whole game.

Dude, imagine. Are you going to be able to block T.J. Watt? No, I'm going to run draws with Derek Henry and goddamn Sequin Barkley. Seekoine's light skin, too, though. There's an argument there. These lights can also. So let's not, we're not going to take Seapoint off the board. I follow y'all. You know, I'll watch it all. Who's your roster? Hold on.

The rest of the NFL that actually play good football? Who's your center? Who's your punter? Who's your kicker? Who's the punter? The guy from the Pittsburgh Steelers. They have a black punter. Okay. All the other pro bowlers at every other position. Kicker. Name one. Where are you getting three points?

Kicker. But we're going for it because we have all the black people. Or just have the punter. What's that? We have the punter chip on it. Listen, we'll miss field goals. We'll beat your white team by 80 points. Oh, my gosh, bro.

Hey, the line is at 45 and a half. A, and I'll tell you this, too, change. So he has Ladd McConkey, and I have Jamar Chase. We dropped eight I mean, bro Four underneath, four deep Coaches They got Tomlin

Damn Tomlin's a good coach That's a good head coach We do have some good coaches though I think a question is Do we have to Abide by the Rooney rule What's the Rooney rule?

No, we don't need you We don't need you We got Mike Tomlin Just who y'all want And if you got two Who would y'all take What do you think A whole litter of them

We got them all And if you think Probably Harball No we got Aaron Glenn will be at DC. Chan, if you put some hell of five coaches now too. If you put some parameters on it a couple weeks to prepare, I think that plays in our favor. It doesn't.

You guys are going to be, the problem with y'all is, you're going to have too many guys to choose from. People are going to be bishing. Everybody that comes in our room, they're going to know exactly what to do. Happy, lucky to be there. Guys, we all know why we're here. Let's get to prepare it. You guys are going to be arguing.

The high is low. Demand is high. You see Malik neighbors after the game blaming other people. No, but Malik neighbors now, he's in a room. with Jet. He's in the room with Jamar Chase. He's in room with Devante Adams. He's room with Tyreek. He's going to set his ass down and say, you know what?

Let me learn from these G's. Let me learn from, y'all are going to be too busy trying to find raisins and shit. White people like raisins. Raisins are good. I see. Y'all are going to be figuring out which strip club to go to. Green bean casserole. No, that's me. A lot of my black

dudes, they enjoy the grind of football. I was just a fuck-aw. You know, I just say, even Tyreek ego is so hard. I'm telling you, I understand your argument. I understand the push. It's just, you should probably maybe go golf. Hockey. Y'all took that too for a minute.

Golf. Oh, no, Tiger is the best of all time. Not anymore. We just really like, you know, say, but if you want to get deeper, we, we have, we all have a 400-year-head start. What if you let black people play back in the, 40s, man, we're running this shit so bad. I'll get on that horse and hit that little fucking ball.

What's that called? But we would take over every sport. I'll get on that horse and hit that little ball. Yeah, I have no counter argument to that. That's a fair point. Hockey. We got hockey. Yeah, yeah. We have hockey.

Forever and always. Ocoso. We got TK. Suban. Yeah, old. Like, that's a good couple of players. That's what you should challenge him with is find yourself an all-black hockey team. It's funny because he can build out the skill positions. I haven't heard him talk about

the trenches at all. The trenches? Yeah, the line of scrimmage. Left tackle. When you're checking your royal. Trent, done. Trent. Left guard. Yeah, y'all got them interiors. I'm sure I can find them. But it's just like, it'll be the names like you were saying Ladd McConkey and shit like that.

I would say like Tyrone Jackson. But he's probably an ass kicker. Hey, you have, you have, you saw last year's list. Listen, do you all? Hold on. You saw last year's list, right? Yeah, they had them. So they had Mendenhall on the pod after all that stuff came out. You can't argue that that team's gotten a whole lot better this year. It has.

It has. It has. But I'm going to let you out. Just, I'm thinking about what we just talked about. I'm going to break something to y'all. Y'all. Easy now. Are the minorities of football.

Okay. Yep. Agreed. Fair enough. We were aligned there. Y'all shouldn't have made it. Also agree. You outran a couple black dudes to be where you are.

day. Earned every single you worked hard to do it but it's it's switched. I'm excited to see you laying this plane. It's switched from what you know

the society is is where you know the head start of life for the less melaninns sports are different my 13 year old

bench is 180 right now. I'd smack that. Yeah, well. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Like, it's y'all are the enigma of sports, especially football basketball track. So are you saying that white athletes understand inequality? They should understand that they, they are blessed.

I'll say, I'll say, I'll say this. Just to build on your point. Yes. You're not wrong. I'm not saying we have the more talented roster. I'm saying we'll put out a better football team. No, it's not. In short notice.

Short notice. You need like, and look, 10 years of breath. It's not because that. Say you go into this game and the spread is, you know, Michigan, Ohio State, minus 21 and a half, minus 21. I'm saying if we protect the football, we run the ball, we play assignment sound defense. I'm telling you right now, we control the time, we control the time of possession. And we'll, and it's. We can come out on top of that game.

There's no chance because as you see, the talent is going to take over, but also it's the questioning. It's almost like, have you seen Michael Vick? Shout out to Mike Vick, my man. The evolution of a black quarterback. Have you ever seen, you seen the show that they came out with? I know that it's out. You need to watch it.

It's pretty good. But they were talking about how all the black quarterbacks in the past, they'd always try to make them receivers because they're fast. They're talented. Right. This, a black man, can't run. a huddle he can't control a huddle like Lamar Lamar should be a running back

which is bullshit but that's that was the narrative so it's almost the narrative of that like oh yeah you can't run this you know thing so you're almost saying like oh we'll be more sound but myself and I'll just speak on myself myself Jason Taylor

Kevin Carter Bonnie Holliday Keith Trailer I had a whole black defense and all of them were genius football players they would tell me he tilt. If truck saw the center,

if he saw the full back motion, he'd already tilt itself over there because now he wants to even out the front. They were black men that were extremely intelligent and very good athletes. I see what you're doing here. You see what I'm saying? Well, that's the thing.

It's where it's like, oh, well, no, if you get the white guys together, they'll understand the scheme better. Listen, I... Potentially, depending on you that... I can draw... I can see that we're getting some murky waters here. I could draw up any fucking defense that you want,

any zones, 2, 4, 6, I can drop every defense you want with every front in 3, 4, 4, 3. I can drop all the X and no stuff too. But when you cuss and you talk country and you laugh a lot and the bullshit and play then they're like, oh, he's that. No, no, no, no. I can do the same exact thing

that I can go right there with Ladman. Not if I put you on an island with Brock Bowers. I've heard how you talk with. With Tony Gonzalez. Brock Bowers and Ladd McConkey, I can talk so, I could talk over their hair. head X and O wise. Oh, come on.

That's a different position. I'm saying on offense, you could not do that. I could because I know, I know the schematic side of what they're trying to do and the holes they're trying to hit and the all-go-specials and the opposite high lows and the rubrout and the Mickey Mouse and all that shit that Andy Reid does. I studied Andy Reid. I've looked at Andy Reid stuff. I know what Andy Reid does.

Like, I can do that too. But it's like, oh, the white guys. They really understand the intricacies. The intangibles. The black guys, oh, we just run around real fast. It's fucking bullshit. I'm not going to lie to you. I really know.

I know the excellent football. I've ran defenses. I've called defense. I've been a defense coordinator. I've met Charlie Strong. Dom Capers, Mike Nolan. I've sat down with them for hours and hours on end watching film with them. I can look at film too.

My black eyes can see a screen as well. My black eyes can see a dry race boy. What do you have to say to that, race as well? Time of possession running the football. No. You're going to run straight into a big black dude and fall backwards, and it's going to be second and nine. So all the things you're saying...

You're saying... Third and eight. But you're also saying all the things that you're saying you guys are smart about, we are just as physical. But you're not as physically talented. Listen, you're not allowed. You can't take it all. You can't argue that you guys have all the best stuff.

You can't say we're the most athletic, the most physical, and the most smart. No, no, no. I say we're just as smart, but we're more physically capable, naturally. And we are as physically capable talent-wise as well. No, you're not. Who's a better pass rush to the DJ-B. Name the five fastest guys in the NFL. Tyreek.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you guys got those. So they're the fastest. You guys got them. No question. The best receivers. The most athletic, just name most athletic guys, the most athletic quarterback. You're not wrong about those things.

It's, we're physically more capable. Like you're more, you're the most capable in all positions. Games are one in the trenches. Games are one in the trenches. I totally admit, y'all have centers and guards. All right, hold on. We'll take what we can get right now. Because he's kind of.

Do you see, like, am I wrong? Am I wrong, fellow? Y'all have sinners and guards. Y'all have very talented linemen. So time out, you're saying that this wouldn't be a game whatsoever. No. It would, it would, they throw in the town. It might not be in the finish the game.

They might not be able to finish the game. You know you're talking out of your ass, bro. Ladd McConkey. Good ball player. It's about to, is about to. I've established that we have to run the football. Christian McCaffrey. So, Chris and McCaffrey.

Joe Burrow. Josh Allen. No, no, no. Well, don't say the quarterback say you're running the ball. Josh Allen can run the ball. So Kristen McCaffrey and Josh Allen run a what,

a Georgia Tech offense? They're running the triple option. If we have to. We ain't got to run the... See, now you're discrediting the receivers that we do have on the outside. But you're not going to say, he's still a great player.

He's still a good player. Well, lad. Go get Darius. Brock Bowers, arguably the best tied in in the NFL right now. Okay. I got Fred.

Tray McBride. I got Fred Warner on him. Are we going to get open? No, they're not. It's going to be Not even to speak on the conversation It's white on rice They're going to be right next to them

Everybody's looking back at the quarterback The entire There'll be 20 What is it? 5 and 5 receive It'll be 10 guys staying at the quarterback And all of us have a hand on Ladd McConkey

Throw the ball You're discrediting the talent of Ladd McConkey No I'm just crediting the talent of Cooper Cup I amping up the town And Cooper's a monster I love Cooper Lad can play

but he's going to consistently get open against Jalen Ramsey, Slay, Diggs. They're not. He has, I mean, he has in his career. He's a triple crown winner. And so now, so now I'll just tell you, so now where Cup is, we would roll somebody up on him, and we would miraculously figure out a way to play cover two and just have somebody sitting underneath all the snow. You can't be in a two show when we're running the football.

But now you're going back to run the football. Okay. So now we're going to get into a base front and kill all that shit with five on five. Then you're going to open us up on the outside. And who's going to do it? And then when you run the football over and over and over. And then you hit play action. Bowers over the middle.

Trey McBride. Okay. So now you got to put big buys in the game. So now, so Cooper Cupp and Ladd McCupe and Ladman-McConkie on the outside one-on-one. Listen, we still got Pook and Nakua. But how are you going to run the ball in 11 personnel? You're full of shit, Will. No, no, no.

We have the outfits aligned to run the ball in 11 personnel. You guys stack the box, now we have quick little slants. We got small little things we're doing. And no slants. We're pressing. Zero. Zero? We're playing zero.

Ball game. Done. What are y'all going to do? You're going to throw it deep? Yeah, all you need is max pro and get a little rub route in there. All you need it. You must forget about pick games. Run rub-rout.

You forgot about pick games, didn't you? Y'all are rub-brow. Yeah, all day. You want to press? Great, pick. Listen, well, don't please, don't please. This is, this is you. I think you're balking up the wrong tree with this one.

I think it'd be a game. It would not be a game. It wouldn't. I think it'd be closer to people think. Oh, no. So 45 is the spread? No, 21. 21?

35. Bro. Listen, listen. We're talking about the NFL. Last year you said it at 48. No, I think I said at 13 and a half. No. Or wait, I had to go back to the video.

Maybe I did say it. You said it like, I think you said 80 at one point. Yeah. So I'm already conceded to the fact that you have the more talented team. There's no doubt you guys are the overwhelming favorites. But the boys got hard. Every white guy you see on the field. Every white guy you see in the field.

What do they say? Hard working, gritty, smart, tough football player. You might as well just say white guy. And then they asked to go over and say, hey, brother, can you go make a play? please. Come on, man. This is ridiculous. Y'all know what y'all did.

What we do? I never went to West Welker and said, hey, Wes, we need a big one, bro. No. Quarterbacks, y'all got some quarterbacks. That's on you because he could make a play. Well, third and six. Good ball player.

Good ball player. Good strong, heady ball player. Understood coverages. I hate y'all. I hate y'all. This is ridiculous. What you mean? Yeah, bro.

It's ridiculous. play into your strengths. Got to. Yes. If we're going to turn, we're not going to turn to a track. To your strengths, okay? Y'all need to scheme up some nice things.

Yeah. Maybe a play ball like army. Have y'all seen Army play? No, don't get Willis start on Army. He's very anti-military. Triple option. No, anti-military. I just had them,

I had Notre Dame beating their ass. And they did. He chose religion over military. Yeah. Yeah. God over country. Yeah, I'm just saying it would be a more competitive game than you're your lead on.

You're saying we act like you guys are being dumb. No, I'm saying you guys have way too much talent to figure out who you're going to put on the field. No, you tell them, sit your fucking ass down. You think, okay, you think Mike Tomlin is on the sideline with his staff and a receiver walks up and say, damn, coach, I got to play. Set your fucking ass down.

Think about it, like, no, bro, I'm going to have my, you know. Bleed the clock. They're going to be the 11. Run the ball. Time of possession. Use up the play clock. Listen, I don't want to bring up what I've already brought up on this show, but we saw what Michigan did to do Ohio State.

Way more talented team. Favored by 21 and a half points early in the week. We took time of possession. Our quarterback threw for 60 yards and two interceptions. We won the game 13 to 10. Yeah, you're acting like the underdog can't win in this situation. They can't win. This is a school recruiting.

That's all we needed. That's all we needed. They cannot win. You can't do it. There is no tomorrow. You're going to just run downhill. Over. Wide zone.

Wide zone. I already put you in a blender with the wide zone talk. I might have called it. No. I put you in a blender with that. You didn't know what was going on there. You might have called it white zone because they'll never get outside. It's going to be cut back every time.

Yeah, do they call that a mid zone. Listen, I'm going to have, I'm going to have Fred Warner. Do what? And Patrick Queen. I'm going to have Patrick and Fred and they can eat up a wide zone. You get them boys. I don't even need to pick up. boys from Philly. The inside guys

are two crazy ones from Philly. Carter? Jalen, yeah. Taylor. You guys got some horses. I'm not arguing. There's no question about it. I am. I'm partially arguing. But to act like you're just going to run away with this game is crazy. Mercy rule.

Mercy rule. Running clock. Second half, they're going to say, just cut it off. If you have a running clock the whole game, we will win. All the green bean. All the green bean cast. All the green bean casserole is going to be put up.

All the, what else y'all like? Y'all like hot dogs. What are you talking about, man? You've sucked out a couple of glissies. You like glizzies. No, you do. I'm saying, don't just say it's a white guy thing. We know, we're more ribs and brisket and things.

Like, we like flavoring. Why do we got to be all over here all the time? Why can't we do this? We're doing the white versus the black team. What the fucking we do? We're talking about food. Like, I like season. What are you talking about?

You like real seasoners? Yes. Oh, okay. Come on. You know he's got his own. Will's a salt and pepper guy. Listen, I got your season sitting at the house. That Crowder Powder?

Come on now. Crouterpowder is a wild name, by the way. It's pretty cool. We got you into the seasoning. We can get back to this. We're just going to leave that conversation where it's at right now. No, we can go back to it because... And let the viewer make a determination for themselves.

It's going to be. It's easy. Well, I mean, he's on his side, which I understand and gets. But to act like we're sitting there looking at him like they're a bunch of dumb idiots running around just because they're... I never did that. I never did that. I never did. did that.

They said, we wouldn't even know who to put the game in. I'm just saying y'all be arguing. Jamar Chase. No, Jet wants to get it. I don't know. Tyreek wants to get it. We don't know what's going on here.

The main argument. The main argument is you guys have too much talent. You have too much talent. I know and you're going to tell the top guys to get in if they're running a crosser route. You tell the faster guy to get it. They run in the deep route. You tell Jamar Chase because he's a better jumper.

You know, like we can figure out football will. Like, we can understand, you know. Listen, I've never once said that. Yeah. I played with your co-host, Ryan Clark. I know how brilliant owes. Yes. I know that's-I'm just saying.

As brilliant as Ryan Clark is, the fact that he believes he's going to block or tackle Derek Henry in an open space. I cussed him out. Just crazy. I snapped him to death. Great guy. I know. That's my man.

Fent's a fun time's on this bus with him. That's my age. My kids call him Uncle Ryan. But when he said that shit that time, that's when I was like, Ryan, don't do no shit. You got a Mike Tom on him figured to sit down. Hey, he's going to sit down. Sit your ass down on the bench. He's getting Derek Henry.

He's getting him to the ground. Ryan? Yeah. No. He's talking about Ryan Clark in his playing. He's going to shoot. He's not going to get Derek. He's going to shoot low.

And he's going to get him to the ground. And if Derek, they even talked about it. If Derek sees him coming, I don't think it's a chance. If he catches, anybody, I could hit Derek right now. If he's looking this way and I just undercut him. Right. But if they're one-on-one and he sees him coming, I don't think he gets him. Derek down because

Derek down. Because Derek's going to know he's going to give him that front dead leg and he's going to jump with the back. If they're going sideways, he might not get him to the ground because that stiff arm is unreal. Yeah. But if you're like in between the tackles or you're like right off the right off the tackle, I mean, he'll get him to the ground.

If their shoulders are squared up, if their shoulders are squared up, he's one out of five. Two out of five. Two to five is a good stat. I'm a king Henry. That's 40%. I'll tell you right now. Him and Sequin, those two dudes, they're they're toting their goddamn rock right now. Yeah.

They're putting running backs back on the map. That shit's impressive. Back on the map. Yeah, what Derek and Sequin are doing. You saw what Gruden posted, too, about running, like, you know, the running backs were trying to talk about the market and how it's going down and how running backs matter. Gruden posted this stat of, like, Josh Jacobs, Derek Henry and Sequin Barclay all going to different

teams and what their record is, what those team's record is compared to the teams that they left. Seven total wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did see that. That's crazy. Yeah. But those are special guys. Yeah.

The market doesn't change. It's special people out there. I believe the running back market is a little bit disrespected right now because there is such a world for them that they need to have. Yeah. And for them to get paid as little as they are, I think you got paid in boys more.

Especially Derek, bro. Derek's making a fraction of what those guys are making. And he's leading to the league in rushing. Touchdowns. Like, he's killing it. The mental inferiority thing is bullshit. I'm smarter than 90% of the white dudes in the world. and faster

and jump faster. Possibly. You know what I'm saying? But that's subjective. I know it's subjective, but like I'm, I'm intellectually just as smart as anybody

man out there. You know what I'm saying? And like you, like you're a fucking physical freak. Thank you, sir. Like yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like what you do?

And what did? Fucking Jake Long did like that y'all are physical freaks. It's and y'all are right, like y'all are not even black and white. Like you're stupid. But the thought that like the thing that they try to,

even like I, that's why Bob. the evolution of a black quarterback where every time a guy is athletic, they say, oh, he can't lead a huddle. Oh, he can't. You know, he can't. You know what I'm saying?

Like, why can't he leave a huddle? Because they want to diminish the intelligence of black people and it goes back to Jim Crow. It goes back to slavery. It goes back to y'all are property. Where, no, we got taught that. Even religion was put on us to control us. but just the mind like the wrinkles in your brain

we have just as many wrinkles as white people and that's the thing that gets to me with the whole like that back and forth of it where physically like top sprinters the strongest the weight lifters the bodybuilders and all that the top guys are like physically

and they try to say like it's animalistic it's not animalistic our bodies just built different it's an you know Usain Bolt to Michael Johnson to that who's named the fastest white guy in the top five of all hundreds

you know what I'm saying You got to stop you guys kind of took over that huh Go to any state and do high school sports I'm with you man I get it Black people are faster than white people Physically we are built differently and then

the not and then the pushback is the mental side and my thing about knowing that there's hundreds of you know or I think it's 107 black billionaires they didn't just luck up on a they didn't dig a billion dollars up while they were picking cotton no 100% you know what I'm saying like they're very intelligent people the the the the guy on Sharp Tank and the guy that you know the all these people like they're very intellectual so the pushback of a literal I guess justifiable or matrix on the physical side of it

of the speed and the strength and the athleticism. Oversshadowing the... And even the receivers, Moss and Jerry and them and all the guys, the running backs. Like who's the best white running back of all the time? Mike Allsat, he was just a big, strong white boy. Like, you look at that, and it's physically better at a top level. But the pushback is.

oh well they're not that intelligent but we can't judge the intelligence of Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt and Tyreek Hill and Randy Mars and Daniel Tomlinson and sweetness and you can't judge the intelligence of those guys

goddamn Walter Payton was super intelligent Jim Brown was super intelligent and you listen to Ray Lewis talk about football Ray Lewis is super into Ed Reed is Ed Reed is one of the smartest motherfuckers I've ever talked to in my life Ed Reed is a fucking genius

Edrin James is a fucking genius But the pushback of those guys Being great athletes That are not that smart They're very smart Why can't they ever They don't have like pushback on that But they're not as smart as white guys

No they're just as smart as white guys Zach Thomas is my big brother I was at Zach's house the other day They're fishing in his backyard Was he talking about? What's that? No Zach's about the power

Zach, yeah, Zach's That damn, the head hits and all that stuff Yeah Always got him a little bit Yeah, got him a little bit Damn But it's even that But even to the juniors or

Honestly, Carlos Danzby Carlos Danesby is a genius football mind So when I lost Zach, I got Carlos So I'm thinking, man, I got to teach these motherfuckers How to play, like I saw Zach what Zach did And how Zach said and everything I'm like, fuck, I got to know this shit back and forth because these bitches are going to be

you know, these bishops won't know what they're doing. And I'm talking about Matt Rav from Iowa. Like, I was like, fuck, I got white and black guys. I'm like, man, I got to do what Zach did. And then Sleazy came in, Carlos. And I was like, oh, shit. This bitch knows football just the way I do. He can see X and O's without, no, why, why, okay, no,

the U's all. You're going to move yo motion. Like, we could talk it real talk. And that's the thing. That's the thing. It's like you, but with your point about the argument, when there's one side you got to have the other side

so it's like oh he's faster stronger bigger more athletic well we know leverage no bitch we know leverage too for sure

oh we know you know we know splits yeah bitch when that Z comes in we know they're trying to run out route because they're trying to gain space over there you know what I'm saying like oh wide or splits why is this side tight and why is this side wide

because they're trying to get those zone leverages over here. I can see that shit. I'm going to start shuffling before the fucking ball snapped because they all aren't running towards these bitches that feet are touching.

There's no reason to run this way. They're going to run that way. So as soon as it sounds set, I start shuffling this way. Well, I know the ball's going that way, no, but I can see the balls going that way. You know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. That was the part, that's the part of the argument, not even on you, but like the bigger argument of it. Just the stereotyping of it all. And the stereotype of white guys. Yeah.

But I knew. some white dudes that were, like, Matt Ross, strong as the fuck. I would let him set every edge in the world when he can. Chad Pennington, knew what everybody was doing for the ball was snapped. Anne could make the throws. And could put that bitch on a peanut.

Throw it before the guy's coming out of his break. Yeah, I think that's the flip side. It's like having the fun and the sphere of the game, right? It's like knowing that everything you were saying, talking about the mental side and playing the way. whatever edges. It's like for myself as a player, no matter what, I was never getting out of a box of, oh, he can make this play, he can make that play. But this guy can, because whether he was drafted, different color, whatever it is, it's always like, oh, this is a smart player. He can do, he can

do X, Y, and Z within the scheme of the defense. But it was never like, oh, can he make this playing space? It was always this question mark here and there. So when you're finding the edges and having fun with it all, it's like, that's when you talk about like, okay, the inferiority of the stereotype of not being good enough talent-wise to play on the field. It has to be because he's a smart player. He does all this studying and prep work. It's not because he has some ability, some physical ability as well. It's like, that's when you're like maneuvering around both things. Because for me as a player, it was always like, you know, when I got bench one time, it's like, hey, this dude can get out of worse situations as you. It's like, oh, okay, well, explain,

it's because he has longer arms. Like, you know, I wouldn't, Brave never had me on pump return. It's like, oh, you have short arms. It's like, well, you can't ever out effort or outdo what, when you get placed in a certain box. So, too, like, Oh, yeah. Based on all the flip side of feeling like we can't put out a product on the field that's going to run the football and control the clock and run the football and have some play action of Brock Bowers. It's a great spin.

Rock Bowers. Oh, but I'm saying, like, I don't want to neglect or disregard him talking about, like, you know, they're not smart of them to play ball. That's not what's being said at all. That is, I agree that that's like a higher level argument. Yes. And it's a higher level argument that happens. However, like, that is when you are watching the combine,

And if I, being white, it's like, oh, gritty, hardworking, tough football player. And if I was black, it's like athletic, can move really well, got great bend. Like Cooper DeGine. Oh, he'll be a good safety. It's like, well, why can't he play cornerback? Right. Yeah, yeah. And but no, and I can say it from the other side as well.

And that's the best thing about even, I'll say the aspect or the platform that we have is to talk about it and see it from both sides. where I can see it where it's like, I'm just a monster ball player. No, you work hard. Oh, you do a lot of studying. No, no, no, no. I fuck people up.

And like, even when I was talking to Earl, like, that's what I do. I got. No, I just go out there and whoop people's ass. Oh, no, because you know where the ball's going to go. Even speaking about it, because I even joke that I'm half white. My mom's white. My dad's black. So, like, straight down in the middle, I could even say,

and nobody sees me as a big white boy. I'm a big black dude. But I can even see it from me. that standpoint where if I was white and did exactly the same numbers, all American high school, all American college, drafted, starting with the dolphins, oh, he's a hardworking guy. No, I just go out there and fuck people up. Right. I run a four or five.

If this dude runs to the flat, I'm going to go over there and grab his ass and slaying him out of bounds. Like, it's not, like, that concept of it, I can see, I can see what makes it, but, or what makes, like what fuels the both sides of the argument. I really do. But the unathleticism on the white side is what makes you... Usually in that part's real. Yeah, the unathleticist.

No, no, no. We still got starters. The white people, like as a white person. You're right. I'll go on the other. As a white person, yeah, you're not as athletic. Well, I'm very athletic. then on the black side,

well, they're not that intelligent. No, I'm very intelligent. Right. And so you're like, you know, so I can see the upset on both sides of it, but I really think it should be where it's not because it's the world and it's, you know, it's life,

but I could really see how you should judge, like you're saying, just judge me off my resume. Like you're saying, Yeah. Are you just a big-ass fast motherfucking athlete? Okay.

Why do you have to say white? Are you just a very smart intellectual, fucking bookworm, black dude? Why do you have to say black dude? You know what I'm saying? Why do you have to do it?

Because the world does that. It's because when, if I walk into the gas station up here, they're going to look at me longer than they look at y'all. Yeah, but that's, Like, that's what makes football, like, the part of the, part of the best sport is you walk into a locker room and all those kind of things kind of get thrown on the waist side. Or if they're brought up, it's a part in a joking manner.

It's something that's not really seen in society. No, Rex Ryan, we just had Rex Ryan on probably a couple months ago on the pivot. And he said that. He was like, the best thing about football is that it's all merit-based. Because y'all know, you can see a big, good-looking black dude or a big-ass good-looking white boy. in the locker room and after that first practice you're gonna be like man thomas and shit like yeah look like tarzan play like jane yeah like thomas ain't like it's all merit-based and that's how the world should be what have i done and what am i capable of doing but the world's not like that the

world has to look at in certain ways where i look at it at both sides and political stuff and all that shit i think it but i think it you know it it perpetuates it but it should be merit-based Am I a great businessman? Then we should do business together. If I'm a if I four of my business failed, you shouldn't, we shouldn't fucking do business together. I'm not going to put money with you. You're terrible.

You're terrible. You're bankrupt three times. You know what I'm saying? Like it should all be merit based, but it's not. It's very visual. It's very, um, I say shallow all the time.

My wife tells me it's like, that's a word that, you know, I guess it gets thrown around a lot, but it's very shallow. Visually shallow to see. you know and I even say it's funny that I think I get an edge a lot of times and honestly in business and podcasting like you know people have to listen because it's audio whatever but in life like business

wise I get an edge a lot because people already see me and then I already start cussing and I already start bullshit and laughing and they hear my accent and I say it all the time um Ray Charles gave me the word for it. Years ago in that movie, Ray, country dumb. It's where when you have an accent and you look a certain way, people already let their guard down. Because if you walk in Taylor with that mustache now with a suit on. I don't have a mustache anymore.

I know. Stop saying what I don't have. But if me and you both go into a room and you as a white man, clean cut, walk in, don't know what the fuck meet we're in. but you have a suit on and look nice. They're going to treat you a certain way. If I walk in with dreads and tattoos, even the same suit on, same exact,

talking the way I talk, how in the way I sound, they're not going to approach the meeting the same way. And I take, a lot of people take that as a knock. I take it as leverage. Right. You kind of find an edge in there.

Like they're assuming this. Well, you're all over sleep, their defenses are down. Their defenses are down. It's country dumb. Oh, he has an accent. Oh, okay. well, he ain't really about it.

So now you're going not to, you're not going to be on your, on your appeas and cues and cues, because you're going to assume, oh, okay, yeah, that's old country dude. And then as I buy and take your business away from you, now two months later,

you're like, oh shit, that little country motherfucker might have known something. Yeah. And it's just, it's just an advantage. So the prejudice, if you want to call it, the assumptions,

if you want to call it, whatever you want to call it, that's what people should capitalize on. And that's what I've capitalized on. And that's what I've, capitalized going all the way to the point of like you're saying the crowd of powder the restaurant we have the restaurants we have in stadiums and all that I'm a stand-up comedy stand-up comedy like all the stuff I do is kind of like they just meet me and they're like

oh you're going to do this yeah man shit and shit I just go in there fuck off but I've studied about it I've done it I've done due diligence I've done everything I've looked at it I've watched film I've watched stand-ups over and over again I've re-s I've rewrote my set four or five times. But if you see me as that, see me as that. And then you'll see me later as something else. And it would be too late because I've been done, took your business over. Yeah, you get to a lot of crossroads where you have the choice to have awareness of it and accept the realities that that are there. And instead of playing, having like a victim mentality approach, you see opportunity in it all. And ultimately, everybody who's successful does see it that, you know, does use whatever

advantages or edges that they have, having awareness of the entire situation. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. And that's the beauty. But going back to the football side of it, it's never going to change. There's going to be another Taylor. It's fun I brought up Jake Long because it was very similar.

Jake is the man. Boy, Jake can play ball. He was so good. They could play. It's going to be another Taylor. There's going to be another Jake. There's going to be another Will. There's a lot of wills.

there's going to be another all of them Jack Gibbons, Tennessee Titans every gym and head coach and position coach that sit in that meeting are going to say the race of that player and they're going to say the white boys are hardworking and do diligent

and you know what's that first one in the gym, last one out I know the white phrases and then all every black guy they might not say black but they're going to say super athletic you know grinder

you know trying to get out of something You know, working hard, you know, working hard to feed his family. Like, we know that we know the stereotype words. Yeah. If you don't want to say white or black, you're going to say it. It's going to be that way. And hopefully, from both sides, the hard worker, first and not a gym, they can prove that they can play in this game.

And then the athletic, you know, trying to do something, trying to feed his family guy, can prove that he's the other side. And that's the beauty of the world. Yeah. And that's what we're doing. now, I guess with even the stereotype of athletes doing more afterwards, we're breaking stereotypes down with yourselves, with all the smoke, with all the guys we talked about with Chris Long is green light and all of them.

We're breaking the shit down too. So I really enjoy it, man. It's interesting world, this podcast world, man, how like it's just blowing up in this massive thing. You were able to get in, all of us able to kind of get in before it became like so oversaturated. It's wild. Oh, it's amazing. And to be mildly looked at as trailblazers. It's crazy.

stigma is too of like even outside of podcasting just athletes having transitions and doing things after football because a lot of stigma with athletes it's like the big 70, 80% go broke five years outside of the league. And so yeah, this this moment of the all white, all black really took a turn, but I think a good turn. I think this is ultimately like a locker room conversation. No, I had I had too much. I thought we'd get more stand-up comedian Channing Crowder. Well, that's a yeah. Well, you know what? When you said it, I thought about it because I watched much bussing. So I've heard too many arguments.

So I was like, you can't ready. You can't prepare to you study. I came, that's why I didn't have my list. But when you texted me, I had a list. I was like,

no, I got my opinions. So that way you'd be able to go into the offensive line, into the defensive line. Yeah. Yeah, I just want black guys.

Yeah, there's running the football. Limit turnovers. Play action pass. It's a third and short. Time of, time of possession. Yeah, stay ahead of the chains.

Stay ahead of the chains. Yeah, yeah, no penalties. No ass out of it. 45-yard. All right, let's punt this. Let's control the, uh, let's control the, uh, let's control the, let's control the field. Let's control this twisted question brought to us by Twisted tea. Twist-T is a refreshing hard iced tea, maybe the real brew tea and 5% alcohol,

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And you get 50,000 for each one you eat However, one of them is poisonous And will kill you. How many do you eat? A thousand grapes in front of me Oh wow There's a thousand grapes in front of me I get 50,000

Who? Yeah, yeah. Hold on. $50,000 per grain. You can get some math on that. I know, I know. They're going to cry, man. My kids will legit.

A win will for sure cry. We should make a down change. Yeah. All right, a thousand grapes in front of you. You get $50,000 per grape that you eat. However, there is one grape that is poisonous. How many do you eat? 10 or 100.

Wow. I'm going to eat 100. That's 10%. That's a 90% chance of living and that's $5 million in my pocket. What is poisonous? I'm going to peeve. I'm poisonous. I'll be a deadly poisonous.

Yeah, you like you died. I don't know, man. I think I'm starting it too. I might have to count my blessings, my 100,000 blessings after that. Because you got to take at least one, right? Right. $150,000? A thousand grapes in front of you.

I think I'm with Taylor, man. Brickett? Yeah, you need a good old honey. Yeah, 10%. But that one kills you. You're going to die over $500,000? If I die, If I die, does my family get the money?

Sure. Yeah. No, no, they don't get it. They don't get the money. Okay, J.B. came in and said, no, no, no. I think I'm going, yeah, I'm going 10, 15%. I'm going 100, 150 grapes. Is there a different answer if you don't have kids or a wife if it's just you?

Yeah, I might drink 500. Can you think about it? Like 50. But thinking where you're at now. What do you, what do you need? What do you need this money for? Yeah, that's true too. Like, you're going to be just fine if you eat zero grapes.

I know. That's why I think I'll play the game. It's true. You got to play the game. A hundred. A hundred grapes. I'll eat a hundred. You're going for a million dollars.

I'm going for a million. Ten percent chance to die. That's fine. It's five million dollars. Where am I at? Oh, yeah, my fault, 50,000. Yeah, you're right. $5 million.

I'm a 800 great. So basically, let's say I have a chamber with 10 bullets in it. Mm-hmm. Or not 10 bullets, but 10 slots. There's one bullet in there. So there's a 10% chance in this Russia roulette. That's what it is. Over $5 million.

You're playing Russian roulette. I'm about to say. That's a hell of a gun there. Yeah, it's crazy. But are you, are you? I play for $5 million? Yeah, so for $5 million. I play once.

well yeah that's I play once see me if I get to that hundred knowing my personality I'm like one more don't die one more I know I told them two

two grapes there's two grapes count my hundred thousand blessings and I think 10% is good yeah a hunter that's a hundred 10% you have a 90% chance of living yeah 90% chance of living

when you drive that's what I was saying just keep moving That's why I tell people that whole call me when your plane takes off and land shit is bullshit You're in a 10K and 30,000 feet in the air You're fine You're going to get on that every day

The last, yeah No, the last time a domestic flight crashed Was 09 All right I go to beg this is yeah Yeah come on man You're about to get on a plane When's the next day we're getting on a plane today?

Tonight Going to Denver Yes Who are you guys interviewing Can you say it I don't know I get yelled at all the time for revealing shit. They yell at me.

Yeah, man, that whole, man, it's, it is, it is more dangerous to walk in your grass in the backyard than to get on a plane. Is that a fact? Yeah, fact. It's more dangerous to drive to the gas station than to get on a plane. No one has died on domestic flight since 2009 in the United States. How many people have died driving to the gas station? I have no clue. At least one since 2009.

I'd love to see who's covering that data. You see what I'm saying? I hate that shit. Let me know, check in when you get to Boston. For fucking what? The plane is going to take off and it's going to land. I love it. Your wife just wants to know you're alive and well.

I'm always alive and well. I'm always. I'm good. I just live. Chances of dying a commercial flight is one and 11 million. 11 million. Take that every single time. You know how many flights take off?

18 million a year in the United States. Boom. How often you... Hold on. But I don't know if these numbers are right. There's one of those guys. Because the fact that I've done this, I've done this research and the last,

put up the last, the last domestic flight that crashed in the United States. Was that San Francisco? Because, you know, those little fucking pedal pushers all like, Harrison Ford fucking crashed recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, yeah. Oh, them pedal pushers?

2009 Colgan Air Yeah it's interesting to those planes that go down That airline doesn't usually exist after No Colgan I mean Southwest They had those crazy not Southwest The 737-37-Max Let me ask you

Let me ask you Let me ask you And that still didn't crash How much are you flying If you knew you had a 10% chance to die I'm the same amount of flies we do Same amount I push it

I man If one plane plane and every 10 crashed. Think how many plane crashed there would be every day? Yeah, the planes wouldn't exist anymore. They'd like, obviously something's not working here. I guess I'm just trying to do the whole 90%, 10% chance of death. Yeah.

So you're just doing two, you're just doing two grapes? Yeah, I let, I just, I just, man. He's going to be so mad when we get to 100, and he's like, enjoy your 100,000, Will. Hey, hey, hey, tell you, you about to have a good time in Vegas. He's going to be over here. I was going to say, I was going to be a penny pushing. Vegas this weekend.

Jack, Vegas this weekend. He'll be over the penny pushing. Yeah, man. I guess he's not wrong. You gamble? I watch him do tonal chaos all the time. I'm like, this dude just wins and wins every time. I hit him in a head-up.

He's just going my way sometimes, man. Gamble? I mean, I've gabled, yeah, I gamble. But Will gambles? Yeah. Will's been down. A lower chance to 10? Will's been down six figures and came back in one.

It's a lower chance. It's a lower- We're not, we're talking about. We're talking about, we're talking about, we're talking about a chance to lose a hand in blackjack. Man, well, you know. What is life? life, man. Yeah, what is the life?

Come on. It's assimilation anyway. I know, do we do the best? Like, I feel like, do we hit the best flag plant beef of the weekend? I mean, God Tears got to be Michigan, right? Concessions foods. Yeah, God tier, I say it's Michigan, North, NC State, North Carolina. They had one.

But other than that, how many, how many beefs were there now that I'm thinking about it? Because it's like I could play the, I can play the game of Arizona State. It was so funny. You see Arizona States? Yeah. Polynesian cat just walks over the 50-R line and puts like a little, tried it in there and one little small DB comes up he's like no no that shit was hilarious yeah that shit you see that receiver for you of a break his ankle no bro the the one that's

gonna get drafted high ah i don't know what's that was it number four i think so his his little ankles he gets tackled he lifts it up and his face the wrong way it's like open yeah it came back it's like right there in your year hey that is always the hardest to play after you see someone's leg get snapped and they're like all right they card them off and it's like all right start back up here's like you're like hey brother you got to tell me he's like I got you was there a big fight between Florida and Florida State oh yeah yeah they fought that's probably two two yeah if we do a universal tier talk yeah tier one Michigan Ohio State that was there's Mace involved I'm gonna get I'm gonna jump I want to give an honorable mention to ASU of A because I just think that shit's so

funny why we put them in there for a tier three beak because I think I think the NC State one's probably better. Yeah, but who cares? Let's give Arizona State some love. And then we go tier two. How bad was this one? It was pretty bad. It wasn't.

It was a bunch of slamming people. Yeah. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't mace. Just pull up Michigan, Ohio State ones real quick. Let's just all watch it together. Watch it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.

The video JP had the belt. Belt, just whipping the logo. That's tier two. belt the ass so tier one michigan tier two south carolina tier three ASU did you did you see that video which one the trident one no no all right pull that one up instead shirm pull up ASU was it like trident plant oh we're not gonna find that's the kid though right there is that it yeah he's like just one guy one guy look at that position too beak duke he's just eh he's just eh No.

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talking about potentially coming to Nashville yeah we'll come back because what happened was uh we got to come around like we did it so i did nine and i was like putting it with um events So I did like the drafts in Detroit. So I did two in Detroit. Then I did Tampa Orlando. Florida is easy because of Florida dolphin, you know, connection. Show out. Yeah.

And so now we're trying to kind of seeing it. And that's why I was like, yeah. And somebody else told me they were like, man, you got to, you should do something with y'all. After we talked about it, they were like, we should do something in Nashville and make it like a thing. And so, yeah. So I can do like an hour and fuck off. Yeah, I go up there and bullshit and laugh. But what have you learned about the process of stand-up comedy?

Man, it's the crowds. Like you have to, like the different, like Detroit was tough because them people are like, they've lived a rough life. So like they don't want to laugh. Like some people want to laugh and some people don't want to laugh. Are you standing up? They're like, fuck, I got to figure something out. Yeah.

And then like the end of the end of a joke. So you like joke, you know, so you set it up, set it up, set it up, hit the punchline. And then everybody falls out of their chairs. But 10 seconds later, like, how long do you laugh? So it's, ha, ha, ha. ha ha ha, ha, hmm. And then it's 400 people staring at you.

Go again. So now you do another joke. Hit the punchline. Ha ha ha ha ha. And now they stare at you again. So it's like, it's like, it's just a consistency and just going and moving. And then we try to like integrate some of our sponsors into it, different people like sponsors I have, Jack Daniels and all these people.

So it's, yeah, it's, it's, I would say the lead up to a stressful. That one, that little. hour of work is cake. But the three or four days before that shit is crazy. But I enjoy it. Like I really thought it was just going to be like me going up there and fucking off. I was going to say it's harder than you thought it was?

The start, like the lead up to it is. Like the actual exactly what it is. Like next up, Channing Crowder and they play, I come out to Jay-Z. That hour is exactly what I thought it was going to be. But the fucking

promoting it and going on radio stations and giving away tickets and selling tickets and doing social media pushes and all that shit is the tough there's like the hard side of it that fucking 45 minutes an hour is it is the fun is that's what I enjoy I didn't expect like even you see the little video here jack Daniel box in the background and now the MVP's get to come back like we come to Nashville you y'all have to come back and like I give you a shirt and a jacket and a bottle of liquor and all this stuff like it's it's like It's antics. The antics of it is hard.

Just going up there and bullshit and it's fun. So you brought up Diddy or Jay-ZU. And that's what we transitioned to, Diddy. Diddy? I've never been to a Diddy party. Ever been invited? Never been invited. I don't think I was famous enough back then.

Back then you would have gone, though, huh? I would have went off his name, and then once they went to that little back room, I've heard about, I wouldn't have been to the back room. Yeah. I like to be more the sexer, not to sexy. I like that. I like to do more. Fair enough.

This pod's been incredible. This has been a lot of different roller coaster. All the different corners we've touched. It's been nice. What more fitting way to end it with a sexer sexy? Yeah, like the classic locker room pot. Fun. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Maybe my favorite. Just ain't just start going on. Maybe the best ever. All right, guys, thank you so much. Hey, bro. Appreciate you coming on. Appreciate you coming on.

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