Bussin' With The Boys - Andrew Hawkins

Episode Date: May 25, 2020

Recorded: May 22nd, 2020 Andrew Hawkins, who played 6 years at wide receiver with the Bengals and Browns then went on to win 2 championships in the Canadian Football League, sat down to chat with The Boys about his early days in the league, how the CFL and NFL may coexist in the future, and how he got into broadcasting and podcasting. The Boys and Hawk also get into why it's important to pursue a secondary career while still playing and they share some of the weirdest things they've ever seen in the NFL. Hawk co-hosts his own pod, "Thomahawk," with Joe Thomas, hosts "SportsCenter on Snapchat," and is the Director of Business at Uninterrupted, a digital sports media platform that empowers athletes to take control of their own stories, where he also hosts another podcast called "Kneading the Dough." Want to be featured in an episode? Share your questions, feedback, and whatever else using #ForTheBoys / #DontGiva and TAG US @bussinwtb on all platforms. ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB/ Website: https://www.bussinwtb.comFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's crazy. Wow. What's the Browns one at the top? that's uh oh delh oh yep uh not white i had a dalton jersey upstairs does that count no it's up there's in your closet tucked away he got cut by the bangles and you said all right i'm just going to put this away for now i don't know if joe's going to be joining us hold on oh we were trying to get joe on here yeah i was yeah i was trying to oh hey taylor i saw um i was trying to find your NFL net network deal, but I stumbled upon the one you did with Joe and Andrew.

It looks like he's in the same exact spot where he was interviewing you. Yeah, a couple days ago. Yeah, we did a busting with the boys without you last week. Yeah, I saw, I know. It was a tiny little segment deal. I'll tell you, I got off the phone or I got this, that interview and I called Will and I told him, I was like, hey, I was just blowing you out there. I was giving you love talking about how every team needs a hardworking core for special team's white guy. He's like, oh, really?

Seriously, they did that? I was like, they didn't do shit. I was the one doing it, man. I was out there singing your praises. You think Joe Thomas and Hawk knows who the hell of your, who you are? Come on, baby. I know,

I know, Alton. Hey, I've been on the phone with Hawk many of times about the podcast, actually Taylor. When I was first starting, I was like, hey,

can I, you mind if I call you and, like, pick your brain about stuff? Yeah, bro. By the way, we're going to talk about some of those stories. You're on busting with the boys now.

This is how we do our podcast. No, it's just go. I love it. Yeah. It's a go-go mentality, man. It's a go-go mentality. Is Joe coming on?

No, he's not. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm going to send him a picture right now. It wasn't his fault. It was my fault. You're going to resituate myself. I'm going to see a picture of all this.

Send up to Joe and say, yo, that's fucking crazy. He's going to be like, Hawk never hit me. And he's going to be right because the message that I sent to him never sent. So, yo, are you at your house right now? I'm at my house. I'm in my garage. You built that. I did.

As soon as quarantine hit. No way. Those are my son's jersey. That's why there's no white guys. Oh, your son's racist. Yeah, my son is my son. This isn't me. This is my son.

Yeah. I'm just the man that taught him all his values and core values and morals, but this is my son. Don't worry. He's the bad egg. That's crazy. If you went into my closet right now of my jerseys, it would be a diverse portfolio. It would be a very diverse probleau. All right.

First off, I have Andy Dalton upstairs, but these are all, so Andy Dalton is, I mean, come on. That's like, that counts at least three white guys, right? Yeah. I didn't know where you're going with that, but once you said, I was like, oh, yeah, totally. He's kind of right. The rest of them are AJ is his boy. That's actually Taylor Gabriel. It's not Calvin Ridley.

So they sent those to him. And, you know, then he's into MVP's and blonde hair, O'Dell. Come on, this makes a bunch of sense. As a receiver, when you look at a guy like O'Dell, who, when, I mean, obviously, he was picked one pick after me. He was picked to the Giants, absolute stud for a little bit. Yeah. And in doubt, I mean, that for his first season made the most incredible catch of all time. And then, like, the turmoil, like, I don't know the whole story.

I'm a big fan of Odell actually. So I'm just kind of like weeding through the weeds right now, trying to figure out where I'm going with this, because at one point, I mean, to get traded a franchise with that much talent that O'Dell has, there's got to be some frustration on both sides. What do you think happened there with those guys? You know, I don't know, man.

It doesn't really make sense to me. Odell is a beast. And even as a receiver, like even when I was playing, I mean, we played the Giants. And, you know, when you're in offense, you really don't care what's going on in the field. You're trying to get your win. you're trying to like figure out the next thing, get to rest, you know, whatever.

Right. When we play the Giants, he was one of like three players that I would stand up to go on the sideline to watch because I'm like, yo, this kid is just different. And he is. So as much as that catch has catapulted him in the superstardom, that's not a lucky catch. There is such a small percentage of receivers that I don't care how many chances you give them can make that catch. And it wasn't luck.

And like when you watch him, he just has so many. attributes to him. The only thing that's kind of stood in his way is some of the situation stuff, you know, he's a passionate dude. But even the stuff you hear that people talk about him, I mean, it's typically like stuff that we're not even going to remember in 10 years, five years, three years, two years, like the net stuff on the sideline. Like teammates don't say he was a bad teammate. And if they don't say that, for me, I really just don't give it damn. It shouldn't matter. Yeah, exactly. Like, if you don't like the person, but they're giving your results. If I'm a business owner and I don't like the person giving me results, but other people

around aren't affected by him negatively that have to work on a day, day basis, play on Sundays, where is the issue there? You think the Giants made a mistake by getting rid of them? Yes. I mean, it depends on what they're doing, though. You know what I'm saying? I was a part of a Browns team that got rid of all their, they're even, you know, I wouldn't call us good by any stretch of the imagination, but are they decent players to put themselves in draft position, you know? So, I mean, If that's what the Giants we're trying to do, you know, but if they're looking for talent, they're not going to find another receiver like Odell Beckham. That's not what's going to happen if that was their goal.

No, no, he's a complete freak. Him and Jarvis. They're both different, but they're both so competitive. They do such a great job. There's no way in hell that the Brown should not be as talented as they are. I agree. I agree. I agree.

And they got like, go ahead. Finish that. I was going to say, like, I agree. I think it just takes time, man. I mean, I feel like they're trying to learn each. other as you guys know man you've been a part of teams that have done really well that people thought on like the surface shouldn't have been good hey hey drop it you know mean do you want to say hi hey hey hey she walked over to me in the middle sorry for that she

walked over me she's like what you're doing it's like uh daddy's daddy's daddy's doing a podcast you know you tell your kids you're working when you're doing a podcast or do you just say you're doing a podcast i don't know i usually do it downstairs in the basement but But my Wi-Fi is so terrible. Like for some reason right here, I get quality Wi-Fi. And I didn't even know where my computer was for the longest time. This is actually the first podcast I've done that's been actually some quality stuff. So it's all working out.

He's got the marker in his hand and shit too. Yeah, I'm like going. We were, she's doing a mirror in her room so she's not getting, like, doing a nap or anything. She's just ripping around, dude. This is the elements. There she goes. There she goes. Yo, Hawk.

Would you, would you start on the Cleveland, and Browns today this year. If Hawking is Prime, are you starting, are you starting in that, starting on that, are my, am I prime? Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure, bro. Yes, I'm the start, I'm the starting slot. I wouldn't start over Jarvis.

I wouldn't start over Odell. When you go three receiver set, your boy is on the field. One-on-one. One-on-one of my five, Compton, they didn't want to smoke, bro. Listen, I had you, I had you on my Madden team when I did fantasy drafts. like, and you were in the 70s, and you're that little scat receiver that produced well and gained a better rating the next year, year two and three. So you were always on my roster, dude.

You were always dragged. Well, you ran 100 and 200 right in high school. You were fast-ass dude, like 113 or something like that. It was crazy. No, that's actually not that fast. But that's crazy. That's really not that bad. You see where we grew up, man.

That shit's fast. White guy in Arizona, dude. I'm going to have that thing going, damn. So that's a serious business. But you ran like a 4-3-4 at the at the combat. So I actually didn't get fast until college. That doesn't make sense, my baby. That does not make sense at all?

I was like 130 pounds in high school. So you can't be fast until you start getting your man muscles, right? Because you need this strength to like kind of run through and sustain speed. So I gained like 30 pounds between January of my senior year and my first. freshman year of college because I like quit basketball because I'm like you know I got to put weight on and I just trained like I had never really lifted weights or nothing like that so I went crazy hard I put on like 25 30 pounds of muscle and then when I got to school I was the fastest until I got done playing football period where did you go to college Toledo yeah okay's baby he says he says yeah

we're just kind of nod to Toledo interesting school interesting choice interesting choice But after after college, you end up going to play in the CFL for a couple of years. So I talked to Cam, Cameron Wake, and he was telling me that the CFL is like the coolest setup. Like when you guys go to other teams and you play them after the games, like the teams will hook up. And they'll be like, hey, like we'll take you boys out. We're going to go here. There's like a, there's a, you can't lock your door at all in your hotel room. So everyone can do this barging on you at all times.

Like there's some crazy shit that happens out there. What was that all about? Yo, the CFL was, I mean, again, I play what, six, seven years in the NFL? Not even close. CFL was way more fun just as a player because here's the thing. And I love the NFL and the competition is top notch and the money is, you know. But from the CFL perspective, there's no offseason, right? So when you, your last game is like Thanksgiving weekend if you make it to the championship, right?

So Thanksgiving weekend, you're off and you're done until June. So there's no off season. In the CBA for the CFL, you have to be done with practice, meetings, everything by like 1 o'clock. That's a dream come true. Four hour days is the max. Teams aren't allowed to keep you for more than four hours a day. So I'm in the middle of Montreal, one of the biggest cities in North America, just a melting pot of every kind of people you can imagine. shopping, you know, nightlife, you name it.

And I'm done every day at like 1231. It feels like a summer job. I'm getting paid and like, yo, it was amazing. And like you said, we travel to these other cities. You know, we get there a day early, you know, and after the game, we stay. It's not like we get like, you know, in the NFL, you come in, you play and you leave. And even in that downtime, there's meetings, there's, you have somewhere to be every minute of the time that you're doing anything. There, it's not like that.

It's like, yo, see you guys at the game. We go out of the game, we get done, hit the other team up. Like, yo, what are the spot? Oh, meet is here. We got a table at such and such in downtown Vancouver. Cool. Kick it. The next morning, we hop on a plane and we fly back.

Dude, that's wild. That is wild. What do you think the CFL wasn't as successful as the NFL then? Like, is there like a, do you think there should be a merger? Because my thought is that the CFL, first off, If you want to be, anybody in the CFL, they want to go to the NFL, right? That's kind of like the stepping stone. That's our minor league in a lot of ways.

You know what? You can call me wrong in a second, but I'm going to fan. Okay. My dad. He's a, hawk, he's a first runner. He doesn't, you know. He doesn't get that line. Hey, hey, listen, I'm just saying, like, people want to make money.

They want to go to the NFL to work money, you know what I'm saying? Right. So, why doesn't the CFL do, like, a regular football side, like a regular football field and have four downs and all, and all that? Why would they, like, why wouldn't they do the same exact thing that's been so successful as the NFL to build a bigger brand? So here's how it works. So the CFL has been around longer than the NFL, number one. It's the longest standing professional football league.

They were first. Even down into the 70s, back in like the 70s and late 70s, the money was not different. So there are people that would not play in the NFL and go play in Canada because they got paid more money. Because the NFL players weren't making a lot of money. So there was like an, you know, an actual like, hey, I don't know. what league I want to play with, it depends on who pays me more. So even in the NFL, the goalposts were at the front of the end zone, right? They moved them to the back of the end zone.

So back in the day, the rules were a little, they were a little closer than they are now. But the CFL has a ton of tradition. And they don't care. Like, when you're in Canada, like you don't get all the NFL games. They might play one on TSN, which is their version of ESPN. But when you turn on Sports Center, they talk about Canadian football league. Like, it is their league. and they like to keep it their league.

Even in the rosters, there's a 42 active man roster. 19 of them have to be Canadian born. Like you can't just flood your team with a bunch of American talent. So it's actually, it was harder for me to make the roster in Canada than it was in the NFL just because there's only limited spots, right? And like in Canada, you'll have like certain positions that are just reserved for Canadian. So like a lot of the office of linemen, they're like, you know, we got our own big white guys. We can handle that, right?

So disrespectful. Oh, you got those fuckers. We got our own big white guys. They're everywhere. Free safety, slot receivers, like possession. We got those. They go down and they go get like all the four two guys, the four three guys they can get them. But yeah, no, they're like, they're just big on the tradition.

What I could see happening is, especially in the middle of a quarantine where there's no season there. And, you know, they don't make as much money as the NFL by any stretch of the imagination. but I could see where the NFL basically buys the CFL and makes them, you know, their kind of development league. I mean, you're thinking this around like right now, you could see that being a play for the NFL. I can see that being a play. I can see that being a play. It's an established league. That's the difference between the leagues that pop up here and there.

It's established. When I played in Montreal, every game was sold out for like years. And you're not huge stadiums. They're like 40,000, 50,000. It depends on where you go. Yeah, you play in Saskatchewan, that's like a Green Bayish town. The entire city is just wrapped around that football team. Like, that's all they have.

That's all they care about. But college football, the NFL already has a developmental league. They already have college football. They have literally free labor. They have like, oh, we have everything. We have everything we need. That's why they don't need that AAA single A kind of stuff. Yeah, but I mean, they could do the spring, the spring thing.

And the thing, the other thing it does to the league is that is exposed as them more internationally. And it begins they have a place where they can start to kind of test some of those markets and waters and, you know, but I still think a development league is important even in the NFL because, as you know, guys come from college, they're just not ready. For me, if I would have went to the league right out of college, I don't think I would have I would have made it. Did you try? Didn't you try? Didn't you go to like a rookie minicamp or anything? Yeah, I went to a rookie minicamp and I did great because, again, one on one, I'm going to be hard to guard.

I'm quick and fast, right? So especially people that are, you know, my same development, I'm going to do well against. So I did really well. But just understanding the game. Like I got to go play in Montreal with Mark Tressman, who was eventually, then went on to be the Bears head coach and 30 years in the NFL coach. But I learned the game. I learned to play against grown men in an environment where I wasn't like, hey, you have

to be the man right now or you can't stay, which is the NFL, right? Like you got to bring it now if you're coming from where I was coming from. The only people who get time are the guys who get in the first round, second round, those kind of guys. So being in the NFL when I came back down after two and three years playing the Bengals, I was a rookie when A.J. Green and Andy Dalton came in. And I remember being in the wait room and Reggie Nelson, who was a free safety, it was like, you know, how many years you've been in the league? And I'm like, oh, I'm a rookie.

He was like, you're not a rookie. I'm like, yeah, it's my first year in the NFL. Where did you play at? I'm like Canada. He's like, yeah, I can tell you played against grown men. Like, that's a thing. Like, once you learn to play against grown men, it's a different mindset. So that's the thing that the TFL could do for a lot of players who may have a chance to stick,

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I mean, I don't know. I mean, here's what I have no idea that's even a thing, right? So people are going to. Right, yeah, yeah. We're all speculating here. But it's interesting. But if they did, it would only make sense to them to change the rules. And I don't know how can the thing about Canadian football fans that love the CFL, the thing that they would hate more than changing their.

tradition and historic rules is not having anything to root for. And I don't know if that's what the situation that CFL is in. But that money not coming in is a big deal to that late. Yeah, that's a bit of a deal now. Why not just take an NFL team? They've been talking about doing a team in London for a while. Yeah. I don't know if that.

I know your work for NFL now. You've sold out a little bit and that's totally fine. And so like, I don't know if you have any. You've sold out a little bit. You know, you've swept in there a little bit. I don't know if you're hearing a rumbling. If you and Goodell are having tea in the moment. Newsflash, you work for the NFL too, but.

No, I work for the NFL, but I'm also like, nobody really like, all the upper people like, oh, that's fucking guy again. He's just the loudmouth guy off the alignment. I'm thinking, it's way different, by the way. Our jobs are very different. Hey, you hit him with that one. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, shot me. He's shot in the arm there, dear. He grace me. They pay you. 30 times what they pay me. Who do you think is a more important employee to them? No, I don't know. I don't know. You're going to last a lot longer. I know that. I feel like over time, you'll make more money. Do you think there's a chance like, yeah, there's obviously a chance that the NFL is going to have a team in London, but how's it going to work? Do you play

eight home games there than eight away games here? Do you have two separate facilities? And why not? I know we're talking about the Canadian Football League, why not take a team and go put it in British Columbia, go put it in Montreal, go put it in those, the city. these in the Vancouver's in London. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's closer to London and kind of give it that trial in there. That's a good question, man. I don't know.

I don't know how I would feel about having to play in London, you know, and that's me. I'm old school. I'm also, you know, helmet to helmet. I don't know how I feel either. That would be crazy. Yeah, I'd be kind of cool to me. Yeah, but think about when you've got to travel.

Like, think of just, yeah, no question. Yeah, eight hours every time. Every time. Oh, yeah. I'm saying not a week. You would have to go eight home games in London and then go eight home games away. And then you'd have to have like a separate facility in the United States. I can, I don't know, North Carolina somewhere, North Carolina.

You know what I'm saying? Like a random spot. You'd be dope because it'd be like a change of scenery after like a half a year. You take off like let's go to the U.S. now. So I think there's like two different trains of thought. If you're like a young player trying to figure it out and like really trying to make your mark on the league, that sucks because you're not going to be in it. it like the you're not going to be in the beacon you know what I'm saying of the united

states trying to like you're around the players you're kind of traveling you're doing the regular travel day that everybody else is doing but if you're towards the end of your career and like what a cool cultural experience that would be to go and live in london and play a sport that everybody loves and be like a stepping stone of people that like you're trying to change the brand you're trying to adapt and grow and you can look back you know you play two three years doing that and you look back and go, I was one of the people that got this kind of steamhead that of, you know, London, they're a franchise in London that I helped start. And I think, so like, as a young player, I don't think you would want it,

but as an older player, I think that'd be really cool to, like, to be a part of, you know, like this COVID thing, like depending on this COVID thing in the season, like if we like get an island, like the UFC did, do cruise ships, you know, two teams per cruise ships, like there's going to be documentaries, crazy shit that's going to happen. And we get to sit there and say, yo, we were a part of this. We were a part of this crazy, like insane world-changing thing and then still play an NFL season because there's no way, there's no way we don't play.

I mean, you know, I didn't know. I knew we were going to get to this eventually. I can't see there's too much money. Do you think there's a chance of a season not happening? Hold on before you do that, tell me about London, because we've got to hit that and we'll go to COVID because we're never get back to London. Such a damn pro.

Yeah, no, I like London. I think it would be a cool experience. What wouldn't be a cool experience is traveling back and forth. Like that would be, that would just be brutal to me. And like, you know, and I guess in the grand scheme,

because I would never really live in the places that I would play after a while I would have my off-season place and then head to the city and do my thing. But when you think of like off-season, like, where's your off-season going to be? Is it still going to be in London? And like, you know,

that means you probably have to move there for the considerable amount of, time. I don't know, man. It would just be tough. You're right. I do think a place like Toronto makes a lot more sense to expand to first. But again, those are those are conversations way above both you and I's pay grade. No question. Geographically, that makes the most sense going on the Western Hemisphere. But, you know, but for whatever reason, like I got to play in London. Will, have you ever played in London? Yeah. It's kind of, it's a wild, right? It's like you don't really like the fans you go out there and everyone's cheering and like we scored touchdown.

Different jerseys. All different jerseys, bro. Right, all different jerseys. And then you're sitting there and then they score and they start cheering for that. Like London people are just like, fuck it, man. We don't vote these people. They don't really care. We're rooting for touchdowns, dude.

Yeah, they're rooting for touchdowns. It's like mass car. Like you want, they're looking for the accidents. Hockey, they're looking for the fights. Then it's like what everybody wants. Did you play London? My last year in Cleveland, like toward the end of the season, Troy Vincent came to Cleveland.

Now at this time, everyone was complaining about the London games, right? Because they're like, yo, it's bad for your body. We got to go across the country, blah, blah, blah. This is before they start doing a bye week. No question. A bunch of wheels, right? Yeah, a bunch of wheels. Troy Vincent comes to visit the Browns, and he sits down with like the leaders on the team. So it's like me, Joe Thomas, Tramon Williams, Josh McCown, Joe Hayden is like DeMario Davis, like vets, right, leaders of the team. So he sits down with us. We start talking about a bunch of stuff. He's like, you know, what about London? And we were kind of all like,

yo, we want to play in London. We never get to play in London. Like most of us had not played in London yet. So he's like, word? Okay. That's interesting. Joe Thomas is like banging on the table for it. Like, yeah, man, like I want to at least experience that every, at least give me the chance to complain about it like everybody else, right? Right. So the schedule comes out that year. Of course, Cleveland is now playing in London. Nobody that was in that meeting. not one person got to play in London for the Browns. No, you're lying. Traded every single person.

And then Joe tears his tricep the week before London. So there was like eight of us. Oh, no way. And none of us got to play in London. Oh, man. The Joe Thomas tearing his triceet that was against the Titans. Oh, yeah. And I remember I met Joe in the Pro Bowl the year before.

And so like Joe Thomas to offensive alignment is like. Michael Jordan in the last dance. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I would say so. Like he's like he's the dude. He's like, you know, the guy that everyone looks like he goes, he's one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. Like the amount of snaps he played, 10 years,

10 pro Bowls, that kind of thing. And I'm watching this guy who I got to meet the year before come towards the sideline and get up and get on his tricep. And he's like grabbing his tricep and they're looking at him like, holy shit. Like I'm watching. this dude and his streak right now. This is crazy.

You know, and I'm like, well, you know him. You should go out and you should go out and say something to him. So I start, like, jogging out there to, like, say something to him. And, like, he gets up as I'm running towards him and, like, fucking power hawks down the, down the other side. I don't even reach him. I, like, go to the pad him. And I, like, don't even tap him. Like, turn around, like, halfway down the field.

I'm like, this is the dumbest mistake. I, like, I jog back and all that. Like, Dennis Kelly and, like, a couple of dudes are looking to me like, hey, how'd that goes. I was like, I don't want to talk about it. It was a stupid move. What a dumb move. I got, is there footage of that? Because I need to, I need to.

There's footage. They're definitely, I like going on. I get them. I got to pat on the ass and I realize like, oh, shit, you're kind of out here, aren't you? And like, I kind of like go back. You're kind of out of here. It was crazy, dude. Hey, you were a part of that moment, though.

You know, that's what it's about. Just stacking it up. I'm part of COVID. I'm part of a London trip. Exactly. I want to do Mexico City. But yeah, like, it's not good for your body. London's not good for your body.

traveling eight hours is not good for your body trying to get sleep like we left on a thursday left it on a thursday slept on the plane and then got off the plane and started went right to practice and they're like hey like at least stay up till 730 the next day so i'm literally staring at the clock trying to go to sleep finally get to go to sleep at 730 wake up at like 2 in the morning and i'm like up i'm like what the how am i going to play a game after this this is this is crazy you go in the field the field's like bumpy and rocky and you slide in everywhere it was like it's it's the worst conditions possible but it's still super that sounds awesome yeah it's still super cool though like the whole like you know you're yeah I'm for sure glad I can say I played in London but yeah when I actually got

hurt hawk I tore my hamstring the week before the Titans traveled to London I told my hamstring and so I got to miss out on the London trip and low key I was kind of like call thank God I don't got to travel and do all that shit over there dude right I actually would have a fun deal I wouldn't have mind traveling being hurt because then I could just do my thing you know that now see that's that's true for sure because we when I was on the skins we had the same schedule you fly out at Thursday night after practice on a Thursday practice and you land it's fucking Friday morning already you got to get right into meetings it's it's terrible and we ended in a tie against the bangles which was like we didn't even know how to fucking feel about it

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Use code bus and manscape.com. It's fucking dad bodsies and boys and it's time to get smooth. That's crazy. You were with Jay, huh? Yeah, I think we played, were you on the Browns when you guys came to the skins? We were on the field together. I think there's a photo out there of probably you, probably shaking myself and Will Blackman.

I remember thinking like, man, a white dude named Kyle. You don't see that every day. I know, that's probably, uh, I, I, all the black people, they always ask me that stuff. Yeah, and then Todd Gurley is, he's my other guy. He's the only black guy I've ever met named Todd in my life. Yeah, I needed you guys to laugh at. I just said black people, because I was wanting it to be a joke, but people will probably hear that on the pod and like, holy shit, well, he, he, then his, the person's listening to it. Like, well, he is from Missouri. And they kind of.

You know, black people, holy shit. Yo, hey, do you remember when that the referee said that you're running back? I forget his name. Yeah. Had that fumble. How was that? I got the fumble recovery. It wasn't a fumble recovery.

I know. I didn't have the ball. Somebody came up like, hey, man, big player at the end with that fumble, two turnovers. Because I remember I stripped on one and I was like two turnovers. They're like, yeah, they got you for that fumble recovery. I was like, what? Because I remember being at the bottom of the. pile and somebody was ripping my arm and I was like hey I was like yo that's my fucking arm

let go on my arm and uh we get up and apparently I had the phone for recovery ball wasn't even on the bottom of the pile Taylor it was terrible he had a phone recovery so the running back drops the ball Duke Johnson gets it right back stands up it was like that hands it to the ref and the other ref comes in and points to the redskins the running back is holding the ball in his hand like what they start jumping and freaking out like, yo, we got the ball and we just, we just get the fucking ball. And we ended up losing that game. I post, uh, speaking to the last dance too, I post a picture the day, the next day of the

referee pointing it the other way and I just put the little Jordan cry emoji faces like all over all the Browns players. Messed up, bro. That's messed up. I wouldn't have came on a pod had I done that. Hey, is, what, what's the weirdest thing that's ever, like, is that the weirdest situation that's ever happening? in a football game?

Weirdest situation. Heck, I don't know, man. It was all weird. I don't know, like. Flexing the watch. Is that a, hey, Taylor, he like, leans forward.

I don't really know. I don't know. Oh, that is a Rolex. That is a Rolex, ladies gentlemen. You're getting paid pretty good by the NFL there, huh? A couple weird situations.

I've had James Harrison and Jay Gruden almost fought one time. Jay Gruden almost fought James Harrison? Yeah, man. We were playing Chicago. He would have lost that battle. He would have got ugly. But shout out to Jay because Jay didn't back down.

I will give him that. We were playing versus Chicago. It was James Harrison's first game as a bangle in that weird year where he was on the bengals. And the offense got the ball back with like, two minutes left in the half. So Jay fires off three passes. Boom, boom, boom. Like six seconds roll off the clock, right?

So defense is pissed because they're like, yo, run the football. Let's go in the halftime, kill clock. So we have to punt it. We're backed up. We're like on our own 10-yard line. Pun it. They get it.

They do like three plays, kick a field goal. We go in down. And so the whole James Harrison is like flipping out. So Jay's walking in. James is right here. Like, I can't believe. what the F of you doing, running the damn football, blah. We get in the locker room, and people are like trying to hold James back.

So as you can imagine, it was like 15 people trying to hold this man back. And then Jay lost this stuff. So now they're face to face, right? No one's holding Jay back, though, but everyone's holding James. So Jay's keeping a safe distance just in case, you know, James breaks free. But yeah, that was a pretty crazy situation. And that actually wasn't the only time that I've been around players and coaches about to fight. Oh, yeah.

When you see James Harrison, like his videos on Instagram with him putting, like pushing 2,000 pounds on a sled and you just see him like bench pressing all of the weight, not just some of it, all of the weight. You're like, what an imposing figure? Like he is a math. He's got to be massive. And then you play against him. I remember, I played against him my rookie year. Everyone's like, hey, don't, hey, don't piss James Harrison off. Don't piss him off.

I'm like, what are you talking? Like, that's my thing. I'm a shit talker. And I'm like, what are you talking about? It'll be fine. And I had the first play of the game, like, he jogs out there. I'm like, oh, this guy's little. Like, he's not sure.

Like, are we going to be all right? And I'm thinking like, how is this guy got so many sacks? Such a long game, dude. It was, it was the first play of the game, I like cut him and I start cursing at him or whatever. And then there's an outside zone the next play. And I'm going to my right. And I turn and he grabs me by the ankle and starts a gator rolling my ankle. And he's like, literally, I'm like, you could have just broke my ankle right.

It was, he is so strong. His center of gravity is so low. I mean, as a defense of lineman, I don't think you really need to be that tall. I think, and now that after playing James Harrison, it's like, if your center of gravity is that low, you can turn the corner that fast as he does and use your leverage against you,

that's a big win. He's like stupid powerful. Like he's almost as wide as he is, like, tall. He's like a, he's like built like a box. Yeah. He's just work out every day. He's literally a brick shit house. Yeah.

I mean, he just literally lift like for like four or five hours a day. And that's only, I suppose too. It's almost like how many how many prowler sled pushes where you got like a house on each side? You know, he won. He won the weight room. He just pad the stage. Yeah, games over.

It's like that. It's at that hard knocks video or JJ Watts doing past drills at 10 p.m. at night. It's like, hey, JJ. It's over. Practice is done now, dude. You know what I'm saying? I could just go home now. Yeah.

It's there. Any player watching that, that's the moment that we were talking about that one time where you see these things. things on TV or the hard knocks. And you're just like, if they're going super hard all day long, like everyone normally does, you're not doing pasturals at 10 p.m. at night. You definitely had a rest day at practice if you're out in front of a camera, you know, hitting these past drills. Man, I always look at those dudes that get rest days because they're older or they're that

good. And like during camp, it's like, hey, coach told me to take the day off. I'm like, son of a bitch, dude. You ever get those hot? I got, I got my last year, I got, I think in camp, I was. I was on a two and one schedule. What is that? Two and one,

two days on one day off? Two on one off. You were on that? Yeah, I was on a two one. I'd be going so hard. It was, then he flashes the Ralee again. I love you.

My man's out here. Joe Thomas, best schedule I've ever seen in my life. Let's hear it. Yeah, let's hear it. 16 days of work. You lie. He wouldn't even practice?

You're lying, dude. Game day. that was the only time I'd see Joe. I'll tell you what, I'm flooded with anxiety right now. I literally have a pit in my stomach right now. Just hearing that. He was that good. It's like this.

It's like, yo, you don't drive a Ferrari every day. That's a Sunday car. You know, you bring that thing out on Sundays and you rev it up. You don't running it into the ground Monday through Saturday. That was Joe. He's, Joe is that good, huh? Joe was that good. And he was still great out better than every player.

on the team and you obviously make pro balls and stuff his body was just so worn down like that's why joe didn't retire because he was just done with football joe's body was genuinely shit right like so when you pay 10,000 snaps that there's a price to play so he i mean he couldn't walk down steps and stuff so there would just be like it became it was more detrimental for him as a player to practice than it was beneficial so at that point it was like yo he doesn't need to practice he would come out there for throughs, but even like standing up because he couldn't stand up. His back was bad. His knees are bad. So he couldn't even stand at practice. Like it was the best way. Had he not been on that schedule, he probably would have been forced to retire probably a couple years

earlier. Anxiety. Massive amounts of anxiety right now, dude. If you, if you, if he doesn't look like it now, I'm going to shredded. If I'm ever at the point of my back, I can't even like, hey, Taylor, can you go up to practice today? I can't even stand there. My back hurts so bad. Like, you got a, you know, that's terrible. That's terrifying like I'd be like what's going to happen to me in five years from now and he looks great he looks like he's done it better than any office alarm and I've seen do it I bet you Joe Staley catches up to him because he is he's looking thin thin he uh he randomly sent me a

he sent me a picture of his shirt off and I that dude's thin it's a little weird hey he said that do you it's a brotherhood yeah I have it have it right here but um I don't know man like what I if you're hurting that bad? Why wouldn't you cut it? Or would you rather play 10,000, 360, whatever snaps like he did? Or would rather just play 9,000 and play about five more years? You know, I mean, I think here's the thing about Joe, man. He, he had the chance to go to the Broncos. The Broncos were trying to trade for him. The year they went to Super Bowl. Like, at the trade deadline, it was like, supposedly the facts came in a minute late. That's the only

reason it didn't happen. But I really think it was the GM we had at the time. He didn't one on his resume that he was the guy that traded away Joe Thomas from the Cleveland Browns. Like you can't Cleveland, you'll never live that down. Never. So I think he purposely, you know, sent it in late. But the Broncos, like Peyton Manning calling him, tell him, go take a piss on the GM's desk so he trades you away. But Joe didn't want to go.

Like, I remember sitting with him at the lunch table and I'm thinking in my mind like, yo, you're about to go win a Super Bowl if the reports are right. But he was like stressed because he didn't want to leave Cleveland. And he was just like, at that time, he had been there so long and family. And it was like, yo, I'm like, he's here to ride it out. So when you talk about the 9,000 and 35 years more, I think it got to the point where the mix of both, you know, his body and the field, right? And he wanted to be there for a brown turnaround, which is why he wanted to stay.

Like, that was more important to him than going somewhere and piggybacking off a Super Bowl. But it got to the point where some of the moves, again, being made and they're getting rid of good players. They're doing the like, yo, draft positioning. And he's like, you guys are two and three years away. You know what I mean? So he had to start making a decision for his body. Like you're talking about Taylor being like, yeah, I don't see this coming around anytime soon. And shoot, here we are three years later. And he was right. Yeah, no question. Now you guys got your little Tomahawk show. Now, now we got. It's not little. I don't say that in any disrespect. You guys are It did not mean that at all in that fashion.

You know, you know when I wanted to start this thing, I'm calling Hawke is the first one dialing up, dude. If the Tomahawk wasn't a distant relative to the bustling with the boys, because when it was happening, I'm like, yo, Will hit me up. Like, yo, I think me and Taylor-Long going to start this podcast, I gave them all the keys. I said, here's what you want to do. Here's how you want to do it.

You got to do this. You got to do that. Here's what they want. Here's what's work. Keep it this. Boom, boom, boom. I actually left that conversation and was like, yo, this podcast is going to be great.

I'm telling you. These guys. Oh, you thought that. I got the, I'm telling you, man. I got the, I got my, I got my producers. We'll back that up. After the first, especially after your first episode. Who was your first episode?

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the season this past year maybe or maybe at the end of the summer But I was like, hey, what's up, what's up with the uninterrupted? And he didn't hit me back. Well, actually, he responded to me. He's like, you know, we only, it's specific kind of guys that we roll with. Crazy. You guys don't really fit that mold. Crazy, dude.

That's a lot. That is fault. I'm just kidding. Will and I have proven to sell our souls, dude. We will, we'll be, what are the things that change, that change color, iguanas? What are those things? Camillion. Camillion.

There it is. We're in. Camphalaj right now. You want me to cut my hair, shave my beard and put a collar shirt on? What's the price tag? You know what I'm saying? We'll do it. We will sell out for the brand, baby.

Hey, I love it. Interrupted is, but I want on. I want on uninterrupted. You don't know what interrupted is? No. Okay. So, okay. All right.

Let me do the, let me do the boy right, man. So transition away from football. What, you were 31? 31, yep. And I'm going to let him. talk about some of his stuff he was doing to hustle to get in some of these meetings he was getting in. But you basically wanted to be an intern at Uninterrupted, which is LeBron James's umbrella platform. And you would never really fully know because you guys do such a good job branding.

But what's his name? Maverick Carter. Yep. Like LeBron's best friend. He kind of runs all this stuff, all this media stuff. And Hawk just reaches out and wants to get an internship, right? Yep. that correct you're hitting it yep yeah and um so he basically just wanted because you just wanted to be getting this game of not really sure what you're wanting to do this and that but lebron owns uninterrupted yeah the whole brain uninterrupted anytime you see on the run uninterrupted just no lebron is on that machine dude wow you're like you're like what the uh the business CEO some shit yeah director of business development so while i was playing so my last couple years in cleveland you know because i mean my

older brother played in the league too and I have like a bunch of family members that play ball and you guys know you got homeboys and friends that have played and you know you get done and you got the palms up like yo what's next right and that's tough on a lot of guys right besides you know some of the other conversations just you know you've wrapped your identity and ball for so long you don't know what's next so for me I'm like I don't want to do that I don't want to have to go through that so I went back and got my master's degree and while I was getting my master's degree when I signed with Cleveland which was my version of a big deal it's not left tackle money but for me it was a big deal because I was living on.

Joe Thomas money. Somebody's couch like four years earlier. A lot on money. So I was like, when I got to Cleveland, I just started trying to hunt down Madra Carter, who was again, LeBron's business manager and, you know, runs all the companies in the business of LeBron James. And I'm like, I just wanted to learn because I'm like, yo, if he can give me some keys that set me up for when I'm done, I didn't really know I wanted to get in the media

on front of the camera, but I knew I wanted to do it behind the camera. and, you know, I hunted them down. It took me like a year and a half, two years, and I just hounded them. He was like, yo, bro, if you're serious about it, come to L.A., do an internship, and I'm like, all right, bet. So I picked my family up. My last offseason in the league, moved out to L.A., trained out here, but I was going to classes in New York for my master.

So every week I would be doing my internship, and on Monday, I would leave at like four in the morning, fly to New York, all day classes in New York, and at night get on the red eye right back to LA. Jesus. So I'm interning in school and that just kind of helped develop and uninterrupted was new. So, you know, I was able to kind of help shape the company and initiatives. And then they were like, yo, we want you on full time whenever you get done. So when I retired, I walked right into, yeah, being the director of business development.

So been there for, what, three years now. And then in front of the camera with ESPN and NFL network started to like kind of develop and then doing my own content and then the podcast. So it's all kind of worked out. man and you know you guys are shoot i mean imagine that i got started when i got done right so imagine the head start guys like you were going to have when it's all set and done you're going to walk in the opportunities like some of these quarterbacks who's like yo these opportunities are going to pay you just as much as you made in the league and that's like that's what it's all about and interrupted is

the more than an athlete that's what that shit is about man is being like yo you can do a lot of things like you could do a podcast and be to start left tackle or linebacker in the nfl or have your old media company one day. You know what I'm saying? There's something different about like when you make up a dollar on the football field, like that's awesome. But then eventually it's like, well, that's my job. And then when you make a dollar off the football field, you're like, yo, this is just free money. Like, then, we did it. Like you, like, it's crazy your mindset. You're like, I'm actually, I'm actually good at something else too. This is super cool. Think about when you were busing. Like, you built busing from nothing. This wasn't a thing.

And now you got this damn, how dope is that? Taylor and I, we would do. So when we started, it was like you wanted to have some in the library before you release one just to have it all prepared. And we'd just be FaceTiming, dude, probably a lot during the week. And we just thought, man, do we think this is going to be dope? Like, you sound stupid. Like, Timbeck, are you sure?

And then that first call, when I was like, yo, our first sponsorship, bro, I was on like Cloud 9. We were like, we fucking did this shit. We did it. We, the bus, the whole thing. And it's scary too, because you wouldn't, I mean, we're still playing. I think we're the only, we're the only podcast, right, Will, that that's active. Well, I identified.

I think the McCourtney twins have one. So I can't neglect that they have a pot out. But yes, we're like, we're like one of the first, maybe the first in the space is like active as active NFLers. It's cool. It's just, it's a really sweet gig, man. It's cool to be a part of. It's cool to develop. It's cool to like look back and see like the first episodes you did.

and then look what you do now and how much easier it is. Like you're not sweating as much. Like I literally was like play with my kid and I was like, I gotta go do a podcast now, you know? Yeah. It's just,

it's fun. It's a fun experience and it does. It may open a lot more doors, but this is like this whole podcast, I say it all the time as was Will. Like Will was the one that was like, I want to do this. This is my like,

will you do this with me? And I was like, absolutely. And he's from the ground up, built everything. Like he constantly on calls of people, calling people like you, calling people like,

Pat McAfee, like figuring out what works and what doesn't. So we, our learning curve was not so much. I just, I just came here and I put this mic and I was like, okay, well, hey, here we are. Yeah, you're the money. I know, I'm sure Hawks, it's, yeah, I'm going to say, I'm sure Hawks sits back and identify as a lot of stuff. Well, no, just make sure your mic is on. I'll take care.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor, just show up on this time or make sure the mic's here. He was rocking. Yo, hey, he's serious that he's looking, the perpetrator. He was on his phone doing it with AirPods. And with the Wi-Fi downstairs, now my man looks like he's running a breakfast show right now in the morning. We're doing it, baby. Or is that a cup of coffee right now?

Yo, but Hawk, what would you, like, what's like the cry you give to guys when they want to pick your brain or that you urge guys in the league to do? Like, when you want, you identify these young guys and you want them to be curious because you're like, yo, this is not going to last forever. Like everyone says not for long, but you don't know until like me. I always think like it's not going to last forever. But now that it's actually becoming a thing, I was really, I had a lot of anxiety about it. So like what is something that you try to give young guys that you like, hey, get involved in this kind of stuff?

So when I got done, man, like here's the thing about ball. And again, I prepared because what happened was after I got done with college, there was a two or three year odyssey of like football being done. I was living on a couch my year after college and working at a factory and as a caddy. You know what I'm saying? And football was like done for me. And that was like the shittiest feeling I've ever had in my life. Not because football was done, but it's like, oh, I don't know what.

My identity is literally wrapped in this, right? And I love football. I still love football. But I didn't like that feeling. So I'm like, if I can get it back going, I'm not going to let that happen again. And even with all of that, still when I retire from the league, you're right. There's still anxiety. Like, this is still who I am.

It's been me my whole life. I don't care how prepared you are. You're still going to have that feeling of like, man, I don't know how this is going to go. So when I talk to guys, I try to be transparent with them. Anyone who knows me is like, yo, if I go to Hawk for, don't come to me for information or advice if you don't want to hear the hard truth. I'm not your guy. You know, I'm funny, funny, hardy hard with the sketches.

But anyone who knows me knows I give it to you with no chaser. Like, you want to have to just take this, right? But when you're doing it, it's you didn't become a left tackle starting in, you know, one of the highest paid and best left tackles in the league. Well, you didn't have the career that you've had. and, you know, be able to go everywhere and people say, yo, he's an asset to this franchise by just coasting it, right? That's the problem with a lot of guys in the league.

And when you play, it's like you think that because you've done this thing here, people will scholarship you everywhere else, not the case. So even when we had that conversation about, you know, when you first start and busting, it was like, yo, you got to work at this and put the same crazy amount of time, stress, anxiety on yourself that you did when you play ball. otherwise it won't work because there are other people out here who have been doing this for 30 years that would like nothing more than to stomp you out and make sure you don't become a thing.

It is hard to become a thing and anything else when other people have to build it their lives or something. So that's a testament to y'all, man, and like, for real, because, you know, you guys from the start, just put the work in, man, and there's no substitution for that. And again, you guys get to reap the benefits of that. It's a cool thing to be a part of. I'm jumping through a fucking wall right now. I'm going to run through a damn wall. I know.

He's in there. That's why he's on TV, man. Yeah? He said, I'm going to give it to you straight. You're going to have to take all of that. Let's not look past that comment, by the way. I know. You're going to have to take this thing, no chaser.

I'm going to have to take all that. He's going to go. I'm going to let him finish. I'll let this man finish his thought because it was really good. Yeah, I know, right? Oh. Hey, but Hulk was like, one thing that Hulk did that I thought was dope was you were saying that you ordered a bunch of jerseys when you got them playing.

And anybody you wanted to have a conversation with, you would basically write a letter with that jersey and ship it to them because you knew anybody who gets a jersey at their office or oh, you know, they want to show it off and everything. But talk about doing that. So, yeah, I mean, it's like people like being. told that, you know, you appreciate them, right? Or that you see what they're doing. And that's one person.

That's how I am. If I see somebody doing something dope that I'm impressed with, I tell them. So again, when I got done playing at Toledo, the prestigious college that it is, don't, don't hate. Shout out to Brett Kern, by the way. Shout out of Brett Kern. Oh, shout of Brett Kern. Four years together. That's my guy.

But yeah, so when I got done there and being like, hey, I played at Toledo, it didn't get me anywhere. Even, like, the benefit it did while I was playing there. had fallen off because no one cares about when you're done, right? It's just a lot of people can say they used to play in the NFL. How many people can say, like, yo, I start receiver for the Browns right now. I'm a leading receiver. So when I got to that point, I would go to my equipment guy. I would buy 150 to 100 jerseys every offseason, game jerseys.

And I would write a letter, sign the jersey, assign it to somebody, and write a letter to someone that I looked up to, someone I would love to pick the brain of, someone I wanted to have lunch with, a coffee, someone I wanted advice from, and I would send it to him cold in the mail. And I'm not even kidding, those relationships that I built through that are still what keeps me afloat to this day because people will remember how you treated them when you're on top. When you were the man, were you doing this. When you're done, everyone was going to reach out. Like when you're done playing, every former player starts hitting up the network.

Hey, remember me, people are used to see through that. But when you're on top and you're reaching out, they will treat you like you treated them at that moment for the rest of your life. So that was the mindset, man. Did you want to work for NFL Network? Did you want to, like, be a part of that? Yeah, I mean, the situation happened. I did not think that I was going to be able to do media. You know, I had no, because I didn't win any Super Bowls.

I played for the Bengals and Browns, never won a playoff game, never been to the Pro Bowl. The Bengals and Browns, dude. I came to a reality show. in Canada, you know what I'm saying? I didn't think I had a chance to be honest. So when I started doing stuff, I'm like, okay, if my personality isn't what's going to make me shine, then it just ain't happening because that's not the resume

that you typically look for. So I started doing stuff at ESPN, and I would just make sure I would pass up on good opportunities and just being like, yo, like, I need to showcase my personality and being able to do funny stuff, and I hosted sports center on Snap, and it got nominated for Emmy.

So when the NFL seen that, and they started reaching out, like, yo, we want to make sure that we're kind of keeping up with the times and, you know, putting out content that people are used to in these times. And who better to do it than one of our own? I thought it was dope because, again, like, you know, you spend your whole life. You don't get to the NFL an accident. You've been trying to do that since you were seven, right? Like, so that you can say what you want about the Shield, but it's shaped a lot of our lives. You know what I'm saying?

We could talk all the mess we want to as players and don't do that. But the Shield has been something you've been trying to acquire your entire life. So to be on this side of it and be able to be myself, do funny stuff about the thing that I'm an expert at, which is football. Come on, man, you can't beat that. He sold me. I was going to say, hey, he dropped the mic on that one. I know. And as your brother.

Hey, now he's out there. Have you seen his impressions of the last dance? I know you got to go here, like, within five minutes, Taylor, but have you seen his impressions of the last dance? No. Hey, look, hey, go, go. Hey, I'll check it. Okay, okay, okay. Go on Hawks Twitter.

The best one. bar none is your Dennis Rodman one. I mean, that way, yo, that one is golden, bro. Thank you,

man. I appreciate it, man. I was nervous. I almost didn't put those out, man. Bro, it's crazy how that works.

Like, I wrote two, like, like blogs that I've taken serious. And I'm super nervous when I'm about to, like, put something out

when it's like, all right, I'm going to do this. But then when people start hitting you and like, you know, that's awesome. Like,

especially teammates, like you were saying it. Like, when somebody reaches out that's kind of you see as a peer of yours and like, hey, that's really cool. And it like gives you that confidence. Like, okay, all right, I was doing the right thing. I'm just in my own head about it. But, yo, that Dennis Robbins get is fucking hilarious, bro.

I appreciate it, man. Hey, it's probably the best one, the best impression, best video, mock you, mocking anything I've seen about the last dance. Like, that is number one content. You know, your lips are so chapped in this video. Hey, when he goes, he was about it. on there? What he goes? Who is this? I was at home. You know? And Dennis is like, yeah, that is so good. Who is this? Oh, bro. You fucking crushed that whole video, dude. Do you just set that up in your

house? Like, are you just at home and you're like, you set it up and you're like the wife and kids like they step out and you just do your, like you're working? So when I retired, just like I told you, I didn't think anybody would give me a chance in media. So I'm like, I'm just going to start doing stuff on my own. So I bought a green screen. I bought a camera. I bought lights. This is in 2017.

And I just had them in my closet. I moved here to L.A. for the job and uninterrupted like a year later. They've been sitting in my garage for three years, all this equipment. And when this quarantine hit, I set it all up and was like, well, I got this shit. You're like, this is it. This is it. And boom, here we are, man.

I just started just doing it and putting it out. And you edited it. You did all the editing? I do the editing. I shoot it. I do the audio. I got the mics. I do the green screen, the graphics.

And yeah, bro, more you can do, man. That is crazy, man. That fires me up. I'm just like, fuck, I got to know more, dude. I got to do more. It took me an hour and a half to figure out how to set up this mic. Spoilerly. Just plug it in.

That's all you got to do. How does this thing work? Oh, you just plug it in. Thanks. I was so in my head about the sketches too, man. I mean, because like you said, you sit there with it so long. You're like, yeah, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done. It's not funny.

The jokes are terrible. I don't look like Dennis Robin. You sound like an idiot. So I sent it to my brother and I was just like, yo, here's the sketch I did a couple days ago. Like, just to, you know, let me, he was like, dude, why haven't you posted this? And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, yo, this is hilarious.

I'm sitting here laughing like I don't even know you. That shit is so funny. I'm excited to watch the end. I'm literally excited to watch the end of the video. When you look at the thing and it's Michael Jordan telling you go, who is this? That shit is so funny, dude. I was the best teammate to ever live, except for one of those kickback. That's a part of that right now.

Have you guys been watching last dance? Yes. Oh, yeah. You'll definitely appreciate it. You got to check. Yo, hey, last weekend when I saw Dennis come on, I legit started just kind of like, that soft chuckle just because all I was thinking about is your fucking video dude that's so funny that's hilarious dude you were epic thank you for coming on thank you for molding will into

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