Bussin' With The Boys - Austin Ekeler Talks RB Market + Keenan Allen & Mike Williams Talk Justin Herbert vs. Philip Rivers

Episode Date: August 22, 2023

Recorded: August 16th 2023 | On this weeks episode it is just the boy Willy again for the intro. He recaps our trip to LA from our training camp tour with the Chargers and Raiders. We also hit on Josh Jacobs finally coming to deal after a long hold out. We hit all of the segments along with the boys might be doing a fantasy league so hit the comments with punishments. Our first interview we sit down with running back from the Chargers, Austin Ekeler. We didn't have him for very long but it's a good conversation. We touch on all of Ekeler's business adventures along with what he would like to once he is done with football. The guys also get into the massive topic that's been circulating the league surrounding the running back market. Austin gives his thoughts on what the running backs can do to try switch up the market. He says that it's not fair for the entire running back community to based off the average where there are outliers who headline the position group. In the second interview we sit down with the Chargers stud wide receivers, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. This convo is all over the place spanning from biggest try hards on the team to the difference between Herbert and Rivers as quarterbacks. They get into how Keenan felt when they drafted Mike in the first round and if there was any type of resentment towards Mike. Keenan also talks about the art that goes into releases and route running. Keenan and Mike are funny duo and fit in great with the guys. Tap in and enjoy! 1:50 We are close to 400k 4:46 LA Recap 9:48 Josh Jacobs is back 17:18 Shoutout no free shoutout 30:00 Twisted question 33:43 Will shares a poem 38:18 Tier talk 48:32 The boys might start a fantasy league 52:19 Shittiest moment 59:42 AUSTIN EKELER INTERVIEW STARTS 59:50 Austin was was Will’s landlord 1:00:56 What is his end goal after football? 1:02:44 When did he feel comfortable to start doing things outside of football 1:03:40 Veteran mentors he had on the team 1:05:07 What was it like taking Melvin Gordon’s job 1:08:06 How he feels about the Running Back market and where he wants it to go 1:15:55 KEENAN ALLEN + MIKE WILLIAMS INTERVIEW STARTS 1:15:59 Biggest try hard on the team 1:18:16 How Keenan became so good at running routes and is there an art to it 1:24:54 How Mike committed to Clemson 1:26:44 How Keenan chose his college 1:28:24 What was the dynamic between Mike and Keenan when Mike got drafted 1:32:04 Talk about Phil Rivers and Rivers vs Herbert 1:37:03 What’s it like playing for Coach Staley 1:38:19 There stance on In and Out 1:39:49 Who are a couple DBs and teams that give them problemsFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Um, there's probably going to be a lot of Chargers fan tuned in, but we are almost to 400,000 subscribers. That is fucking insane. Um, the growth that's happened. Shout out to the boys in the back. Jack, Mitch, uh, JP, Garrett, all the boys who have been a part of growing this thing. Uh, dude, 400,000 subscribers is, is insane.

It's truly insane. Mitch, I know you and JP sat down at the beginning of the year. We're going over a, hey, let's reach for ambitious fucking goals. Goals that we might not touch. But let's paint something. Let's just paint a picture and fucking go after something. I know you guys had a very ambitious goal of $750,000 by the end of the year. Also with a realistic goal, you like to call it, a $500,000 by the end of the year.

Right now it seems like we're on pace, but you guys have been fucking murder. murdering it, man. With a big fall coming up, I think there's a chance we could reach our, not the very ambitious goal of 750K, but 500,000 I think, is definitely in the cards. And especially for what it looks like we have planned this fall, and I'm feeling pretty good about it. I know, man, it's one of those things. Hey, I have to take this phone call. I'm sorry, what did you end on saying we might be able to hit that goal? Yeah, I was saying how with everything we have planned in the fall, there's definitely a chance that we could. could be hitting that 500K.

You got to get, I know, dude, that push, just the push from the different fan bases, we're going to be doing a lot of shit this year. I know we're doing our fall tailgate tour where we're going to six different colleges, yeah? It's six. Yeah, six stops, but they haven't been announced yet. They have not. And there's still time, like, we need, if you're watching right now and you want the boys to

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and everything else to get this thing on the road. But we will be going on the fall tailgate tour. We got the bus and bowl, like I said. We're going to be hitting some stuff at the pro level as well. Obviously, we got the Titans in Town. Taylor, the boy obviously is a Titan through and through. So we'll be doing stuff here locally. And yeah, man, I hope we fucking do, bro. I hope, like, dude, if we hit 750,000 subscribers on YouTube,

that would be nuts, man. So, hey, tell your group chats, tell your friends, tell the boys that we need everybody. It's going to take everybody. We did some cool interviews this last week. Right when we got back from Italy, we hit the three. ground running the next day flying out to L.A. We got out to L.A. We got to sit down and go to the Chargers training camp. We got to go to the Raiders training camp. We got to do, got to do some collabs with some cool podcasts to fight on the kid. That one is out. I would assume the bad friends

pod that we did with Santino and Bobby Lee. That'll be out this week. I would assume. If not, that one will be out soon. And then we also, I had to fly out on Thursday after the Rich Eisen Show. We got to go on the Rich Eisen Show. We got to go on the Rich Eisen show, which was the coolest fucking thing in the world. Been watching that dude since I was just a little pup and now seeing him like, I don't know, just getting to be on his set and everything else. It's just one of those like, damn, this is fucking awesome. And then the boy, the boys got to go out to Steveo's house and sit down with Steveo.

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So the boys got a lot of irons in the fire right now. We probably need to bring somebody else on board. But anyway, we had a hell of a week out in L.A. That was all time. I want to say it was on, what was it, Wednesday, where we kind of had like the 12-hour day, it felt like. I mean, we had a lot of fun in between. Didn't we hit a...

But Wednesday, but Wednesday, was like we obviously went out and hit the arcade and played some mini golf we were out in the sun right because we did uh ray or we did the fighter and the kid then we went out to the raiders training camp by the way sitting down with coach macdainiels that one's going to come out next week the way we're going to roll them out this episode austin ecler mike williams and kean allen we sat down with those three they were combined 40 like around 40 minutes we only got to talk to austin for like 10 minutes it sucked because i really wanted to get into the running back market stuff mike williams and Ken and Allen, they joined us. They'll be rolling out today. And then on Thursday, you can expect to

see us again on Thursday. We'll be dropping the Derwin James interview on Thursday. And the next Tuesday, you will see Coach McDaniels from the Raiders. He was honestly a lot of fun to sit down with. I didn't know what to expect. I was low-key, a little nervous. My boy, Amir Abdullah, just said they got done, not having the greatest practice in the world. So he's kind of got that light about him that he's a little bit of a stiff. He was not at all sitting with us. I think this interview that comes out with Coach McDaniels, I think a lot of people are going to like it and enjoy it. But that's kind of what you guys can look forward to. But yeah, we got to hit the Raiders training camp.

And then that day, we had to stay up north and northern L.A. So we had mini golf. We're playing the arcade. We're sweating our fucking asses off. And then we go and do bad friends pot at like 7 p.m. at night, 7.30 at night. Finally get back to the hotel like 10. You know, we have to drive like 40 minutes back down to where our hotel was. Fortunately, missing all the, it was after all the traffic.

But we had a bit of a day. day on Wednesday, hit it Thursday morning with the rich eyes and so and then was out. But it was a hell of a week, man. Now we got back into the swing of things. I get back. My wife's gone for her Bachelorette party for the weekend. So I'm rolling solo dad duty all weekend. I log 10 and a half hours on my garment of sleep one night, boys. I fell asleep, crashed on the couch at like 9.30 and didn't wake up until like five the next morning, went over to my bed, slept until about 8.30. But it felt like a, I can't remember the last time I've slept 10 and a half hours. Slept really past. I usually struggled to.

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We need the silver and black rolling this football season. I think Josh Jacobs is one of the, best, if not the best running back in the league right now, especially with the numbers he put up last year. I know he was wanting to hold out for a long-term deal or a longer deal. The whole running back market in general, that's why I can't wait for you guys to listen to Austin Eccler coming up. But the whole running back market in general has been kind of like, you know, vocalizing their concerns about the devaluing of the running back over time. You had guys going into this off season back when they had the FaceTime call. When the,

running backs were kind of stand up and vocalizing their concerns and, and, uh, in frustration. You had Dalvin Cook, not Austin Eccler, he's up after next year, but you had Dalvin Cook, Sequin Barclay, Josh Jacobs, anybody else that was, uh, that was looking for a deal, Ezekiel Elliott. You had four, go ahead, Mitch. Ronnie Pollard, one of them? Uh, maybe. I know he was like kind of up and now that he wasn't there anymore. Right. You kind of get to be the feature back, the main.

back. You had those four backs. Zeke, Dalvin, Cook, Sequin, and Josh kind of holding out and doing their thing, being hopeful for long-term deals, but obviously the back and forth here, all of those running backs got one-year deals, some soft one-year deals. I want to say Dalvin and Zeke were like in that four to six range for a year. Sequin, I want to say he signed a one year for like 10 and 10 and some change. Yeah, but did he sign the tag or did they just modify the one-year deal? Maybe you sign the tag and then you modify, I have no fucking clue. And it seems like Josh Jacobs is about to be in the same boat. All running backs were hopeful they could get long-term deals done. It seems like you chalked this one up as the owners, you know, the leverage is hard, man. Sequin was in a podcast

recently talking about, you could just say fuck it, like fuck the team and fuck ownership and everything else and hold out because your leverage is you playing, right? But at the same time, you're in the most selfless team game there is. And there's a part of you that doesn't want to do anything. There's a big part of you that doesn't want to do that because you don't want to send that message to the team. Because even though it's you negotiating against the ownership, right? It's like it's you negotiating for your deal.

You still have the internal, the internal conversations that go on amongst the players, amongst the coaches that just some guys can feel slighted. Some guys can. It's like, man, at what point is enough money and enough? Like, hey, we're looking to the future of the running back here trying to save the running back, like species as a whole. but how far do you go to try and do that without sending the wrong message? And not even that, but playing in the window that you can play in.

Like, the NFL stands for not for long, but the shelf life as an NFL player is very small. And it's like how far are you willing to go to try and acquire a contract that you feel like is necessary for the running back market to kind of value itself back up in the ranks? Data doesn't like play into their hands. It's like when you get past that second contract or when you get past that first contract, The tread on the tire, it thins out, man. It's like how much... Derek Henry is basically the only running back to prove

that you get better in the second contract. I'm not saying that running backs aren't fucking great in their second contract, but it's one of those things like Derek's one specimen that's kind of proving the, okay, he still can put up 2,000-yard scenes and everything else. I think this year will be a big year that will play into that data. It's like the guys like Austin Eccler,

Derek Henry, Sequin, Josh Jacobs, Ezekiel Elliott, these type of backs that were absolute studs in their earlier years when they're getting these long-term deals, you need them to still perform like fucking studs, like horses in their later 20s to help that day to show that, hey, the running back can carry that type of load. Because we sit with Austin, and I wish, again, I wish we had more time with Austin. And very smart cat, you see that he's very business savvy, is savvy. He understands the complexities that come with the running back market and the value

and the businesses and the ownership being an owner versus being an employee. And Austin says a lot of good stuff, but Austin's story is a great example of not necessarily running back by committee, but there's some hungry motherfuckers that are out there that's just waiting on the opportunity to get their shot. Austin is one of those examples because you go back to where Melvin Gordon was holding out for a deal at the time because he wanted a bigger deal for the running back. I wanted to say maybe who's a who's old boy from, from the Arizona Cardinals at the time.

David Johnson might have gotten a big deal. I can't remember. Somebody got something. I want to say Melvin Gordon wanted something like that. Maybe it was Ezekiel Elliott. And Melvin was holding out for something more, right? He was kind of like trying to leverage his ability.

He's coming off of a prime year and was trying to leverage himself. In those times where he was holding out a guy like Austin Echler, an undrafted fucking free agent that's cutting his teeth on special teams and realize he can tote the rock around. The team realized he can tote the rock around in training camp. because when your starter's gone and your best ability is availability when somebody's gone you're next up that next man up mentality there's going to be a hungry motherfucker or a diamond in the rough at some point along the way a story like austin eclers proves that that he comes in he overtakes

that job he becomes the mainstay of running back he becomes like the do-it-all running back run pass catch put his face in the fan and pass pro and all that and then you find yourself that the game's going to go on and go with or without you Austin's now going to position himself of being an old head and being somebody who's got to kind of carry that torch for those perennial backs that can be older and still tote the rock. But it's just interesting because ultimately, like, guys got to look out for themselves. You got to take those, you got to take those contracts when you feel like you can. I'm saying all that because Josh Jacobs, he was holding out, I would assume for a three, five-year deal, maybe he possibly wanted, maybe a longer-term deal. And maybe that there

was something on the table. I know we were there at their training camp. It sounded like there was something on the table at some point in time. And he doesn't see that contract. He doesn't get that because they couldn't agree to terms before that July 17th franchise tag date, June 17th, somewhere in the summer. Then when you miss that opportunity to get a longer term deal, it is now signed the franchise tag or get on a one-year deal at most. So Josh is now in a position of where he plays on this tag.

Hopefully he knocks it out of the fucking park to where he can look at getting a multi-year deal. but if not, you play yourself out of that contract that you could have gotten where you miss money. That's why it's always such a tough spot to be in as a player because you've got to bet on yourself. Owners, they're not going anywhere. They know the ball's going to continue to balance. They know the rosters are going to look different year and and year out. They're not going anywhere.

Their shelf life is as long as they want it to be. So it's just tough negotiating against time for the boys, for yourself, balancing it all. But I'm fired up. Josh is back in camp. Obviously, because I'm rooting for the silver and black this year, I'm not sitting in the seat of being a fan watching the boys unless a call shakes up in December or January, like I was talking about with the head coach in GM while we're out there in Vegas.

But you guys will love the conversation we had with Austin, Keenan, and Mike. That'll be coming up. Let's get into the, let's get into a shoutout, no free shoutout. Let's get into a shoutout, no free shoutout, brought to us by Paramount Plus. As always, you can feel the air, the awesome. August breeze, not even breeze, but the humidity. You hear the pads popping. Football season is upon us.

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My shout-out, No Free Shout-out this week goes to, this is technically week zero of college football season. We do not. We have college football every Saturday from now until January, which is absolutely unreal. So my shout-out goes to those college football hype videos that you watch to get ready. ready for the season. I know I personally used to watch them before my games.

Hell yeah. You would just be sitting on the bus like juiced up getting goosebumps and stuff. And there you. We ready. It just fires you up so much to get out there and just like play football. Like I'll still watch them nowadays just to get ready to sit on my couch and watch it. But there might be a college football hype video coming out of busing or our college football tour kind. Ooh. I'm juiced up about that. I do like a good motivational video. You haven't seen it yet, but it's in the lab cooking.

Really? Yeah. I do love that. And you say, watch, get hyped up just to sit on your couch. No, man, there's like a, there's a nostalgia that comes watching a fucking motivational video like that. And you watch back in the day when you know in August when the paths are popping in fall camp was happening.

Maybe like me back in middle school, Headstrong was getting hype. Like you get a song that just pulls you in that brings you back. to a moment when you were fucking lacing up, whether putting on the pads, getting on the court, doesn't fucking matter. And it just fires you the fuck up that you, yeah, get to sit on the couch and root for your favorite team, but it brings you back to a moment to where it gives you that nostalgia of missing it. And knowing that the season is here, like the weather's here and everything else, and

you're fired up to be hanging with the boys or whoever you're around just to get motivated and verbally assaults some people at the television and drop in the group chats and throw your sack there on the table. let him know that you won in fantasy football. Like, the air is coming, bro. I love that shout out. It's amongst us. It is amongst us. Jack, what do you got?

Kind of going off with Mitch was saying football's back, but my shout-up of your shout-out goes to parlay. The gambling gods always are against us. But this weekend, also kind of a partial shout-out. Shout-in-ever-shadow to Sean O'Malley, the Banimweight Champion of the world. I took a nice little parlay. It was

Sean O'Malley, any kind of win. So knockout TKO or submission before two and a half rounds. And it was like plus $4.85. Put like 50 bucks on it and won like $400. So it was a nice little treat on Saturday. And I'm a big Sean O'Malley fan.

So to see him win the belt and also get a little coin on the side, it was nice. So like I said, football's right around the corner. Cannot wait to be throwing out bets. Also. Nasty parleyes. Yeah, we might be having some parleyes coming out here in the next few months along with some content. So stay tuned with that.

But yeah, shout out to winning a parlay. It's kind of like cheat the system. Got some of the boys getting in front of the camera a little bit more with something we got cooking this fall. We'll see. We'll see what goes on. But yeah, shout out to a nice wager. Dude, I'm so excited to. to stand that show up and obviously build the hype for that.

Like, it's going to be fun. It's going to be a great fucking time. And also, Big Cat, he tweeted it yesterday over the weekend. The Pro Football Football Show, Your Boy is coming on as a co-host. So I'm fired up as one of the mainstays on the show with Big Cat. I want to say Casey is one as well. I want to say Dave is going to be involved. Taylor's going to be involved.

Kyle Long. We got a revolving fourth chair. We got a revolving fourth chair with myself, Big Cat. had and Casey, but that's going to be a fucking good time. And I know last year, the last two years, they've had Dion Sanders on. So you go from one Hall of Famer to the next, very excited, very excited to be on the pro football football show. We're going to be rolling around a lot this fall, and it's going to be exciting.

I think we have the tailgate tour stuff spaced out enough, start off hot in September. Then we get to sit back. Maybe it's either one or two in October, but we really get to pour into a spooktober. And then we're looking at, you know, one or a couple in November. And again, we're starting to iron those things out. But we don't, last year, we learned, like, how quickly, like, that flame can burn at both ends when you're trying to get absolutely everywhere. But we're going to have a lot of fun stuff having, man, getting out and frequenting Chicago and everything else. My shout-out, no free shout-out, brought to us by Paramount Plus, is going to go to, the parents will get on board with this one.

But when you, when you sleep in and your infant doesn't wake up until, like, You wake up. You hear him stirring. I heard a Rue stirring at like 8.30. Rue wakes up at 7. She usually, we put her down at 7. She sleeps till 7. But she's usually up at like 6.30 and then chills in the crib until about 7 or until we go up and get her. And since mom's out of town, it was just your boy. And when I knocked out on the couch that night, I was trying to stay up to watch the Sean O'Malley fight to watch the Sean O'Malley fight. And that's a great shout-out, Jack, because I'm fired up that he's a champion. But I was trying to stay up and watch that fight.

ended up dozing off and falling asleep, but get it back in bed, like, go to my bed at like five in the morning thinking, like, I'll probably just sleep. I felt kind of awake, but I was out asleep a couple more hours, and I'm sure I'll wake up here at 6.30 or 7. And when I start to hear Rooster, like 8.30 in the morning, and she's being cool, calm and collected, like, that's a good feeling. When you get all of your sleep in as a parent and your little one that isn't bothering you, they're not interrupting your sleep, like they're not ready to go. And you're like, okay, let's get going. Like, she was just chilling and in a good mood in her crib at like 8.30 in the morning. So dad was fired up. That's my shout-out, no-free shout-out is when you get,

when you get to sleep in as a parent and your little one's not making a fuss in the morning and you get to kind of still, like, enjoy your morning. But that's my, that's my shout-out, no-free shout-out, boys. You know, someone who does not have kids at some point probably will, it scares me a lot having to give up those precious moments of sleep on like a weekend. That's why I know I'm not ready to be a dad. It's because I'm not ready to wake up at 6-8. and deal with a kid. And that's okay, bro.

That's okay. It's like, it's like people like, man, you, like, yeah, you gotta, there's, we're all selfish. We're all selfish human beings, man. All of us.

We're all in our own world. We're all in our own ego. We all want the shit to work out our way. And when you do have a kid, like, it's over. Your selfishness, your selfishness is now

you have to pick your shots in windows. You have to plan and organize. That's one area where we've, my wife and I, we've gotten a lot better at is, it's like utilizing the calendar, which has been a learning curve for your boy. But utilizing the calendar, planning ahead, communicating at all times. It's like this morning, I was like, oh, fuck, I saw on the calendar that we were supposed to shoot the intro at 10.

And I'm sitting here like, hey, I'll be in before a little bit before 11. When it's like Charles flight got canceled and comes to Monday and now it's going to get canceled until Tuesday, it's like, man, I got to remember to hit up the boys and let them know whenever flights get canceled. I'm not going to have that. I can't get up at six to work out. I have to wait. I have to wait until our babysitter gets there.

Our nanny gets there at 7.30. So then I can go work out and then get all that stuff in. But yeah, bro, trying to plan out your selfishness throughout the week. In the weekend, it doesn't stop. Like, it's just never. The key is routine, Jack. And you'll know this when you're, when you become a parent. I'm already becoming one of those older motherfuckers.

Like, here's the key. Here's how you do it. I'm not ready to be selfless. for someone else. I can be selfless, but not enough to bring someone in the world. Yeah, you lose it, you lose it, man.

You realize, like, you have to prioritize other shit. If not, there'll be, there'll be some lows somewhere. You know what I mean? Like, you might want your couple hours of freedom, but it's got to be, like, structured out in a way where, I don't know.

That's why I sneak off and stay at the bus till about fucking, as long as I can. Then you go home, then you do the dad thing until you put them down. And then when you put them down, it's like you got a decision to make. Do I want to separate and go watch TV on my own

and kind of like be to myself? Or do you build the relationship with the wife? Because then that's, those are the times where you get with the wife. Then you wake up and you do it all over again. But yeah, bro, you kind of lose it. That's why it's a, when you get to sleep in and get to kind of like, oh, man, I'm glad,

like Roo's being cool and just kind of hanging in her crib right now. Like she's having a good time with her tiger and lion and stuffed animals in there. Like once they get older, you kind of get that, you get that selfishness a little bit back when they get. You probably do. Again, like, that, like, yeah, listening to my boys who have, like, older kids, man, like, you're going to soccer games. Like, your weekends are around them. That's your kids.

I mean, I remember growing up playing, like, travel basketball and, like, all the sports. And I have three other siblings. So, like, my parents' lives were our lives. They weren't their lives. It was them taking us to practice. and going to extra, like, curricular school stuff, you know, making lunches. It's just, yeah, it doesn't stop. Making lunch.

Man, you're so right, bro. Like, yeah, like, that's, you look back and you realize how much, like, your parents actually do for you. Or if money gets tight, how you're now with a different family going to that traveling, going to that traveling tournament, staying with your buddy, thinking it's awesome. But now when you get older, you realize, like, all the sacrifices like your parents make just so you can have a childhood like that, to go to all the games and go to all the weekends

and everything else. It's like in the future, you know, knock on wood, we keep this thing going and float and ascending. Like, you're going to have to plan, oh, the soccer tournament's this weekend, you got this weekend, maybe dance this weekend, who knows what they're going to be into, maybe debate. We got a little debate matchup this weekend. Four years older on the debate team or something shit, but you never know how it's going to change, man. It's just like, you're just in it. A lot of highs, a lot of like, oh, fuck, I got to kind of like let this go. I got to, I got to like reprogram my brain to think a little bit differently because if you think too much, like selfishly, you're just going to get pissed off at everything else.

Just be resenting this year old. Exactly. Just mad like, man. Yeah. Oh, fuck, man. Twisted question of the week. Oh, we want to get into the Twisted question. We got a twisted question.

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a nice ice cold twisted tea, and also the camaraderie that you have at these tailgates. But grab a refreshing twisted tea today. You can present. much find it everywhere. Go support the boys. Go hard. Go twisted. You know what I'm saying? Bud Light goes one way. Twisted T goes the other. They're fucking representing the boys. So go ahead. Grab yourself a Twisted T anywhere today. But this twisted question, Jack, not Jack. Mitch, give it to us. All right. So we have two that we can do here and we can pick which one we want. Okay. First one, would you rather the ability to change the past or see into the future? Haven't we done one like that before?

Okay. To me, it would be changed the past. Would you rather it be summer forever or winter forever? Oh, I mean. And I said for something, this was more for like me, if you wanted it to be fall forever or spring forever. We could do whatever one. I think fall and winter and spring and summer together.

I don't know. That's tough. That's so bad. I think you have to do summer, right? No more football ever. Why not? There's football? What are you?

You're saying like you get the... Oh, you're saying you get the months with it, like you only get... Are you just saying, yeah, I think that's the case. Like, it's... So you only get what? It's not like the weather. It's not like it's hot all year, it's cold a year. It's like you get...

The end of November until what, the beginning of March? Yeah, that seems fair. Or... You get from like... What is it? May to August? June, July, August. One of the end of May, end of May, the beginning of August? For what? Summer?

Summer? Yeah. Summer really goes until like September. My birthday's first day summer. When's your birthday? June 21st. That's the first day of summer? That's, no, that's bullshit. First day of summer is...

What does that up for me? First day of summer? No, I believe that the fucking internet might say that the first day of summer. day of summer is June 21st, but the first day of summer is no later than June 1st. I could argue some of the back half of some of the back part of May. Like whenever school is out, summer is, summer is here. I would agree. Those first few weeks of June.

Let's just say summer is officially now June 1st. So you're just saying like when it gets warm or? No, I'm just saying like that's just what it is. Sure. But I, yeah, I guess you got, I mean, if it's, if it's only the month, I'm going to go winter then because you get football. I personally, I'm more of a, I would rather play in the cold than playing the heat.

I would rather be cold than be hot. Thanks. Because I get extremely like, I can just get too antsy, man. Like you can layer up in the cold. I think it's easier to warm up than it is to cool down. Yeah. Like you can always put extra blankets on,

extra sweatshirt, sweatpants, but you cannot, like, once you, like, are in shorts and a t-shirt, like you can just take your clothes off, but you can still be hot with your clothes off. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say winter. I'm going to say winter. Holiday season, playoff football, Super Bowl's still in,

still in the winter, you know what I'm saying? What else more do you need? What else do you need? I mean, that's the, that's like the most, I feel like when you have the most perspective, when you have the most gratitude is when you're in holiday season. enjoying the people you love. Like, yeah, it's a little cold outside.

Yeah, the winter can be a little shitty, but I think that's what creates the mentality. I'm with you. I agree. Same. We're all going winter? Yeah. You need to find another one where we disagree?

No, I think that one's solid. I think people think people think we're crazy for doing winter. It actually reminds me of this poem I was reading earlier. Let's see here. This poem is brought to us by, was shared by Brian Peters, a great follow. on Twitter, Brian underscore Peters 10, but it's a poem called Good Timber by Douglas Malick. Listen to this one,

boys. The tree that never had to fight for sun and sky and air and light, but stood out in the open plain and always got its share of rain, never became a forest king, but lived and died a scrubby thing. The man who never had to toil To gain and farm his patch of soil Who never had to win his share Of sun and sky and light and air Never became a manly man But lived and died as he began

Good timber does not grow with ease The stronger wind The stronger trees The further sky The greater length the more the storm, the more the strength. By sun and cold, by rain and snow, in trees and men, good timbers grow.

Where thickest lies the forest growth, we find the patriarchs of both. And they hold counsel with the stars whose broken branches show the scars. Of many winds and much of strife, this is the common law of life. Does that not juice you up? You were speaking right there.

That's Douglas Malick, dude, shared by Brian Peters, now shared by Will Compton on Bustin with the boys. That's a good poem. That's a good poem to have. That shows you're built in a winner. You're built in the trials and tribulations of life. You feel me, Jack? Hell yeah.

If that right there doesn't get you excited for gambling this fall. That's exactly what I was thinking. If that right there doesn't get you. you ready to fail miserably on a parlay and a lot of bets. Only just read that poem and come back the next week, ready to swing. Time to set sail, boys. Time to set sail. Before we do, as we set sail with some fucking whiskey.

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You're going to taste a little bit of that black pepper heat, right at the very tip top of your throat when you're about to swallow to where you're a little scared, you're a little nervous walking into the cave. However, as it goes down your throat, picture yourself in the backyard on a fall, autumn day. The football game's about to kick off at noon, and you're swinging in a hammock in the backyard.

That's how it goes down your throat. Smooth, soft, easy, and it sits warmly on the very tip top of your gut. You can find this whistle pig whiskey, especially our bourbon, as you see with the sticker up top here. You can find our bourbon sold at any whistle pig retailer, wherever you get your whistle pig, call up your local. retailer, ask if they have the bus with the boys bourbon, say you want 10 of them, and then go pick it up. But go ahead and grab yourself a bottle of Whistlepig whiskey and kiss your workday goodbye this summer this fall and kick it off with a Rye Day. Kick it off for the Rye Day and a little

bit of bourbon with the boys. That was a smooth, that was a smooth little ad read for the boys, for Whistlepig, man. They should definitely clip that and use it as like their opening video on their website. Should we do a tear talk? I thought of a fun little tear talk. Are we able to do a tier talk? Best things about August. We're in the months of August. There's a lot of FOMO.

You see all the football clips going on and everything else, and there's a little bit of FOMO about, like, getting involved more with August. I feel like the first day of school, I mean, you're picking your first outfit to go back. Like, you can feel the energy of football season and school coming, and that spirit is in the air. And what better way to kick it off than to talk about some of our favorites? things about the month of August.

Your God tier? Ah, fuck the God tier, dude. Fuck the gods. Let's make it about us. What would God Tier be? Football comes back? I mean, that is God Tier. All right, God Tier football comes back. Mitch, you go ahead with your Tier talk.

Can I get a couple seconds or no? Sure, you get a couple seconds. Let me, I'll go ahead and get in on mine. Favorite things about August. Football being back is on my list. That's all that really matters. Favorite things about August. My tier three is going to be specific Nebraska football coming back.

You know, the boys are in training camp right now. They just unveiled their new locker room. Their new facilities are getting put together. The boys have some rule laid. They have some momentum going into the season. And you feel it every year with Nebraska football. You know the farm owners. They're ready to come to the facilities and cook.

They're fucking Waggoo steaks and their thick rib-eyes for the boys. Like, hey, after practice, we'll cook, we'll be outside. And you're grabbing that tomahawk and eating it off the bone with the bone in your hand. And you just know that Nebraska football's coming back. That's my tier three is that little tickle about Nebraska football. My tier two is going to be prepping for that fantasy football team. The group chats are starting up again for fantasy football. The shit talking's in the air.

The whoever won last year, their shit still doesn't stink. They can talk down to everybody else. The ones who suck, the one who's got to, I think the loser of our fantasy league this year is going to have to sit at a restaurant with a blow-up doll, with the sex doll. And I'm trying to get in the stipulation that it has to be on Instagram live. But my tier two is going to be prepping for that fantasy football draft.

There's nothing like getting ready, seeing what's happening in the preseason, seeing what guys you're going to pick up. When I was in the trenches with the boys, I'd go up to, you know, the Derek Henry's of the world, be, hey, where are we at? Like, how are you feeling about, you know, you're going to get the rock 20 to 30 times a game again this season, you think? Because I'm thinking about taking you one overall. Hey, Christian McCaffrey, well, how's the body feeling?

Up and down, up and down years. put together a hell of a year last year, and your boy took him first overall, Christian McCaffrey, and it fucking paid off. My tier one, my tier one, hearing the pads popping. Hearing the pads popping.

Yeah, football's back. Football's back is God tier, but specifically the sounds of football. When you hear the pads pop and the pads come on, the shoulder pads come on for the first time, and you start hearing it, you start hearing the boys, kissing throughout the country, laying the wood, knocking somebody's dick in the dirt,

some no name comes out of nowhere. Kennevaricaro, he was on the, he was on the street, as you would like to say, when he got either cut or whatever from the New Orleans Saints, was waiting for an opportunity, had to sign a minimum deal with the Tennessee Titans. Comes to the Titans, comes to the Titans, middle of camp. I want to say he was running with the second team, third team, don't fucking remember. but all I do know this, the motherfucker laid the wood on somebody to set the tone his first day out in pads.

That led to him, obviously taken over the reins, being the starting safety for a couple years, then re-up into a big deal, but took advantage of an opportunity to coming back in. But it all started when he came to camp on a minimum deal and laid the fucking pike to somebody. No homo. Actually, you know what, no pause.

But that's my tier one. When you start hearing the pads pop, it gets you a little giddy inside. It gets the blood flow and blow the belt. That's my tier one. And that is my tier talk. Are we doing a one word? Yeah, go ahead.

Football. Hard. One word, boner. Legendary. All right, go ahead. Mitch or Jack? I got it. I'll not revolve everything around football like you did.

Not a football guy. I mean, it is, but it's God to you. I mean, it's football is. everything that you just said fantasy football pads popping Nebraska football it's all it's all the same thing I'm I'm right there with you I'm getting juiced up too but my tier three the reason it's tier three it's because it kind of sucks but like a part of it makes you sort of excited a little bit but school's back like being able yeah it sucks going to school it sucks doing your homework and sitting in class you really don't give a shit about but you're kind of like

back with your boys sort of back at the cafeteria table back just like mess around in the parking lot after school you're just back with your boys just chasing tail yes and that's being too nervous to actually chase it for real telling your boys you're fucking yeah yeah yeah yeah don't do that don't do that don't do that you be cool yeah my my tier two this is uh dependent on where you grew up um like some parts of the country might be a little bit different uh but like the weather starts to sort of change. Like you'll get that little like that little tease in August where it's like, it's like 75 in the mid-afternoon.

Yeah, one of them good days. It's like up in PA you'll get that every every now and then. Like maybe start seeing like that one tree that's a little older, a little weaker. It starts to change its colors a little earlier. Like you start to get that fall vibe. It's, hey, it's coming. It's here. And my tier one, I guess it just sort of has to do with football.

But it's those summer workouts with your team. with the squad you're going in the football season with, just be like, hey, it's here. We're about it. We're about to do this thing. It's our year. Beginning of the season during the summer workouts, you've been seeing how much work you've been putting in.

Be like, bro, we're going undefeated this year. We're in them PRs. You're hitting them PRs. Putting up weight. Just lightweight. Yeah. Doing your thing. Just with that, with it being in the air and just being so close

you can almost taste it, it makes those workouts a little bit easier. That's my tier one. That's solid. Very solid. You know Mitch was one of them kids, too, who took the picture serious. Oh, for sure. Miles good, like, took the photo serious.

My tier talk. Number three is coming in. It's just back to school. And it relates for adults and kids in school. Because I remember you go all summer long, like in high school or middle school, whatever, and you're actually pretty excited for that first week back, see a lot of the old friends, kind of show off some new shoes or a new shirt, whatever it may be.

And then also, if you're on the opposite side of it as an adult parent kid or a parent or someone without kids, one, your kids are back in school, more time for you, or just like normal places where kids are being, you know, out of control, whether it's like a public pool or the gym, they are now subjected to school. so they're no longer in the free world. Yeah. You kind of get them out of the way. So it's kind of like a nice deal for both of them back to school.

Number two is probably going to be Friday night lights. It's like the first month where high school football comes back. And where I grew up, I was really close to Brentwood Academy. I didn't go there. But I lived a street over. So every Friday night when they had a home game, you'd see the lights getting fired up. You hear the announcers on it. And then like, you could just, like, you could just, like,

like feel the energy of the crowd from a few streets away. And that's kind of like the first moment where I feel like fall is starting to like break. So whether it's football or Friday Night Lights, it's kind of all encompassing. And I think number one for me, I don't want to like piggyback with yours, but it's my favorite time of year. It's fantasy. Like my boys and me like take our fantasy league extremely serious. our commissioner does like seven or eight different

polls so that we can really figure out what we want for our league this year and we just finished up our last one and I think our draft is like the first week of or maybe like Labor Day weekend it's like a week before football actually starts so yeah it's like the first time when you're really starting to like know the football is making a return you've got a chance to take another run at a champion

You got to start dialing it in You start hitting the forums Really doing your research So it's just like a really good time of year Where things start pushing away from hot weather Away from summer And do a more structured Friday night lights football Time of year

So that is That's me Solid Nice Did should we get a speaking on fantasy football Should we do a bust with the boys league I was just going to mention that after this So I think so

and I'm willing to like set it up for us and we can just have like pretty standard rules and if we want to get three other people how many we have seven it would be here? Yeah. Yeah, we get clums so we could add in like two more people and make it a 10-man league

just do like standard PPR snake draft. I mean unless anyone else wants to do other styles of draft that's my preferred method. Yeah, I like that as well. No like defensive. However, we booed. we boosted the defensive stats a little bit.

Okay. To give defense more of a role. I like that. In fantasy. But yeah, I know we tried to do that last year, and I think it just kind of got away from us and the season started, and we're like, okay, maybe next year. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right about that.

I'm down to get one organized and get us all in, like, a draft year in the next few weeks. We should do that. It'd be a great thing to, like, just have, like, a 10-minute segment what we're doing, and we can do, like, a funny punishment. Yeah. the loser that people are going to obviously want to watch. I was thinking like one, it could be like a little segment we do on the show and like kind of something for the people to keep up with, but also like we have that punishment at the

end of the year. Yeah, what's the punishment going to be? I can't, I said something like you got to go bald, but. The loser should have to transition to the other sex. I mean, that's, that's, uh. I mentioned this in my fantasy. This year is that you had to. drive to Mount Rushmore and take a selfie and drive back,

which is the 36-hour commute there and back. How would you know that somebody wouldn't just buy a flight? Oh, we'd have to get like an update, like every hour on the road, like you in the car. So like, we wouldn't, we wouldn't let someone get away. It could be fun. That's better than probably, you know. Your last thing we need is to get, get caught at having things around what they do. You see the people like, some of their fans sometimes come after us.

And I'll just be like surprised like, look, I didn't, I didn't know. But maybe in the subconscious mind, I saw it somewhere. You know what I mean? Like you're just saying. Like we do the exact same thing part might take this. Maybe comments on the YouTube, get punishment. Ooh, yeah. Yeah, if you're on, if you're watching right now, leave a good comment on what the punishment should be.

If you lose, you get last place in our fantasy football league. All right, let's get into our last segment before we start getting into the the interviews with the chargers. This segment is brought to you by dude wipes. The shittiest moment segment, still using toilet paper, drop the TP and pick up dude wipes, the wet extra large flushable wipe

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Let's go with the worst parts of training camp. I wrote a few down because I was thinking the other day, I was like, man, because there's times where you, like, miss training camp, but then you, like, try and remind yourself, like, why you don't miss training camp. Shittiest parts of training camp, I'm going to say going live, when you have live periods, when you're in the thick of training camp

and the coaches want like a live period every day. The very first live might get you a little spicy, get you a little sauce up, especially if you're somebody trying to make the roster. You're like, okay, let's fucking turn it up. You go go line live or something like that, although go line is fucking a blood bath at times. But going live when your body is just,

it's like when you wake up, when you wake up in bed, you feel it in your feet, your ankles, your knees, you're getting down, you're trying to do some movement, you're trying to do some yoga, some stretches, get your blood flowing a little bit. You feel them calluses on your feet.

You feel them aches in your joints. And you're like, I mean, the last thing I want to do, I hope coach doesn't call live period. And it's hot as fuck out there. And the live period gets called up like, hey, I hear there's going to be some live today. The ones don't have to go, but the twos and threes are going to make you guys go live,

like move the ball, the full field or a full period of live. You're like in scrimmage and you're just like, man, fucking for what? That's one. Another one chafing. If you're not loaded up with that gold bond, dude, chafing in camp is the fucking worst because you're wearing like, you know, spandex,

you're wearing all that stuff. But at the tip top of your thighs, man, your ass crack, you could start chafing. And if you get in some bad chafing situation, which I've been in before, it sucks. It is the most uncomfortable shit. You feel like a pussy because you're like, you're kind of like waddle on a little bit.

You kind of want to tell people, but you don't want to tell people. Chafing sucks. and then another shitty part. This is probably the worst feeling is when there starts to get a rumor floated around that the second half of the day is going to get canceled or you're going to have a movie night,

only to get in the mindset that you're not going to be on the field. Like, oh, hell yeah, this is coming at the perfect time in camp. You start joking with your boys only to learn that nothing is canceled and you're going out for that afternoon practice or jog through whatever it is. And then you also learn on top of that, you have to sit in meetings after that shit and not even meetings are canceled.

But when you get pranked, you get duped into thinking that it's movie night or the second half the day is canceled and only for it to be a rumor. That really pisses you off. It happened when you were the Titans where we thought it was going to be a movie night because we would do movie nights in Washington.

But that really really. pissed me off. But those are probably the worst parts about, those are the shittiest parts of training camp. Do you all do that? Do you ever do two minutes? Oh yeah. Two minutes sucks. For, for me, granted, I played D3, so it's a lot different. But like when you, we would always, you mean offense? Yeah, two minute on offense. And we would always do it first period of the day. You're done stretching and stuff. You're not two minutes to start practice? Yeah. You're not even really ready to do anything. And next thing you know, you're going down the field and too, and everybody knows, like,

you're nonstop running. And as a receiver, like, you are cooked by, like, 15 minutes into practice. And now you got, I think everybody hates practicing two minutes,

dude, because you're right. I mean, it's like I consider you're like, oh, being a white linebacker in two minutes. Like, you're not in a more vulnerable spot.

But being a receiver and you got to run fucking every route. And it's tempo. Get on the ball. It's clock management. They don't want to seem to enjoy. It's probably the fucking quarterback. because we're always doing two minutes at the end of practice

and you're nobody's one to do two minutes after doing all those periods of everything else dog rave sometimes would do put the ball down like right after stretch so you're not even any type of warmed up and you're doing put the ball down like put the ball down move the ball like competition out there popping ready to go no individual nothing to really lube yourself up outside of the bullshit bullshit calisthenics you do in the warm up that competition stuff you have to do in camp though did you guys ever do like not necessarily

one-on-ones but we we did this thing called 10 lines you line up on the goal line and you have like that rubber thing in between you and it's just mono you mono just whoever can push somebody back to the first Oklahoma drill like it wasn't Oklahoma drill because it was just like you're lined up like offense and defensive

line and it's just like a blocking drill like you just literally just have to drive the other person back We didn't do that in the NFL, but we did, like, the first two years in college at Nebraska. You're standing around like, man, I hope coach don't put me up against some motherfucker. No, we, like, the way we did it, like, we would call each other out, like. Nice, I like that. I immediately go off to the kicker. Like, I, we had like.

Bring your ass out here. We had, like, an All-American corner, and everybody knew it was me versus him. So, like, every single time we did it, it was always him and I, your boy won a lot of the time. You want that dude You know you're stronger than in the weight room This dude was stronger than me And he's a beast And he still is

But like we just always Got him in the leverage game Yeah I love that Get under him Get fucking Drive the pads Yeah God man

Again it's like the You miss it And then Some parts you just don't Miss all that Physical That physicality But football is just amazing

Dude you're imposing your will on somebody else and you're doing it with a with a group you know what I mean everybody's kind of got like a different role a different element a different fit in the scheme you're all trying to kind of accomplish the same thing I fucking love it man let's get these uh

how long we've been going an hour fuck let's get in these interviews if you're new here we always do long as we call them intros I don't even know why we call them intros this is just the podcast But again, if you've been sticking around, make sure to subscribe, leave comments. Let's get into these interviews with the Chargers, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Echler, brought to us by Paramount Plus. They are sponsoring. They sponsored all of our training camp interviews.

So they sponsored the whole entire L.A. trip. Shout out to the boys, stream Paramount Plus, you know, on your smart TV. But without further ado, here are the interviews. First stop at the training camp tour, Los Angeles, California, where the Chargers was sitting here with Austin Echler. one of the best running backs in the entire league. And also Will's old. One of the best landlords in the game. Yeah, the best landlords of the game.

Yeah. When you were at the Raiders, you stayed at his place, right? He charged me rent. I paid rent. There was. There was. He's a phenomenal landlord. He's a businessman.

Is he? Yeah. Yeah, he's got a couple things going on. You got an app. App. He's got real estate. Real estate. A lot of nonprofits.

Yep. Non-profits. You got you, you, Joe. You guys just built. We just built the way. Right down the street here for Long Beach Polly. Yeah. So a lot of stuff going on.

Yeah, he does a lot of stuff. No shit. How was Will as a, I guess, a resident? Yeah, what was you think when you got back? How was that as a tenant? I mean, there wasn't really much in the house. Like, I just got the house. I was like, look, man, there's not a lot in there.

There's enough to get by, though. And so I guess that was enough. So it wasn't too much to tear up anyway. You're like, I bet. There was a food left in the fridge. Damn. But I mean, if that's it, then I'm like, ah, whatever. Like, okay, can you're throwing the garbage yourself?

I had a couple of, everything else was intact. Pete and Garrett were out there. I burnt a pizza in the house. A little smoke coming out of the oven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little smoke coming out of the oven. You still own that place now? Yeah.

When you think about, we'll get to football on a second. When you think about the ending of football, like what is your end goal with all these different? Yeah. Man, for me, I'm really trying to just continue to expand myself, expand my capabilities and put myself in positions to actually challenge those. And so even like right now, I've basically doubled my team this summer. And I have two new things that I'm,

I'm starting at starting this website. Um, that's like a big aggregate of like all the NFL players like foundations and like merch lines and things like that. So it's like a one stop shop. And then I had like this discord event company that I'm starting. So all of these things are always going on. And I think I find myself where I get like, I get impatient.

I want to go do more. You know, like football is going on. But it's like, okay, I have, I still have time to do stuff. And so I continue to build these different like situations where I can build a team around a company, build a, the company, let that thing operate, and then I build another one, and I do another one. And so that's where I am right now. And I've been doing that for like four years now. So all my endeavors are kind of starting to add up and starting to grow this empire. How I was going to say, how do you

go about compartmentalizing all that while playing football? Yeah. So making sure you're not in the meeting room thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So really when I'm here at football, when it's time of football, like I am totally locked in at football. Just like when I'm thinking about those things, it's like I'm only hyper-focused on those. And so when I'm here and going into year seven, you know how it is. You learn how to be a pro. You learn how the offenses work. You know, pretty much every offense now, I've learned three of them. They're all the same. We just call it different things. And I've gotten to a routine. I love working out. Like, that's what I do. And so that helps where it's like I'm already wanting to work and do the

things that are going to help me with football, just on my own. And so then when it comes time to football, I'm already ready to go physically. And now it's just learning the mental stuff. When you came out and got in the NFL, when did you start to feel more comfortable about doing stuff outside of football. Oh, great question. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate that.

When I first started, right, I was undrafted, six string. Let's go. Had a scratching claw to get on the team, show up on special teams. And for me, that was what I was hyper focused on, just making sure I could implement myself into this league and try to make an impact and be consistent and show that, okay, I can play at this level with this team or some other team. Ended up being this team. And then got a routine going, was consistent.

That's what I would like to say. Like people say, oh, you're this great running back. what differentiate you. I'm just really consistent within my job. You'd be surprised how far that can take you. But once I got into my second year, I really figured out how to start being a pro. So after my second year, going into my third year, I was like, okay, like I got a good grasp on this. I've pretty much established myself. You know, I've had success. The coaching staff trust me, right? I know how to actually get ready for season. And then that's when I started getting into real estate and bought my first rental properties. Who were some of the veteran mentors that you

like learn from and be like, okay, after a year two, I've kind of learned how to be a pro. Who are some of the guys you watch from afar or directly influenced? In the locker room, you know, there's so many different types of people. There's so many different clicks and things like that. And so we had our running back room. And Melvin Gordon was like the guy that was in front of me. He was just the number one in our locker room for a while in the running back room. And for us, like during the time here, like we all work together.

but when you go home, you're on your own. And so, like, when we were here, like, yeah, in the meeting room, like, I see how much he understands the game and things like that. So that was something I was able to learn from here. But then, you know how it gets. When you get outside the doors, it's on you. What do you want to do? And it goes back to even how I even got to this point.

Like, I was so focused in college too, but I thought I was going into business. And so I was hyper focused on business, building my, my connections, my relationships, my capabilities in the business world. But that, that drive and grind was also playing over into my football career where I was trying to increase my scholarship. And so that demeanor coming into the probe level, right? It was the same thing. It was like when I was done with the season or on my own time, like I'm studying.

I'm like, I'm making sure that I can pick up any little thing that I can to make sure I'm consistent and do my job because you don't want it to be something that you didn't do to cause you to fail, right? Where it's like, I should have done this. And that would, like, no, I couldn't do that to myself. Right. When you're, you bring up Melvin Gordon. Yeah.

He's been on our podcast. Love Mel. Yeah. Yeah, we worked out. This is off season. Yeah. But you, you walk in your room undrafted guy,

scratching a claw, and you see this dude, he had the career he did at Wisconsin, you see him balling out in the league, and then you start to obviously overtake and essentially take his job at the end of the day. Like,

was there ever a dynamic shift that you noticed throughout the time that he was here once you started to become the guy? No. For us, it was, I mean, for me, I was like super high focus on whatever role I had

at the beginning, it was just special teams. It was like, all right, Austin, you had a great, you know, preseason on special teams.

had like five tackles in special teams in the preseason games. And it was like, okay, this guy can run. He can tackle it. And so, yeah, I was decent at running back, but I wasn't making crazy plays. My plays that I were making was on special teams. So I'm running down on special teams. And then my third, my third game in, my rookie year, I gave my first ever carry. And it was a 34-yard ripper right up the freaking middle for a touchdown.

Hell yeah. It was 30 cheese. 30 cheese. 30 cheese. It was a little trap play. Yeah, yeah. Cheese, mouse, trap. We have a whole bunch of codes, code names and stuff. Yeah. So,

and Penn Winston Hunt deal. And so, yeah, rip it up and yeah, 34-year touchdown. I'm just full of emotion. And I think that was kind of like, okay, like maybe this guy can play offense a little bit. And then actually Brandon Oliver, the guy that was in front of me, ended up like tweaking his hamstring or something. So then I did become the number two. And then I did start playing more offense my rookie year. And they're like, okay, like, yeah, he's consistent. He knows what he's doing. You can trust him in the game. And then going into the next year, I was like half and half. Like, and it was like half offense, half defense. And then the next year after that was the year that Melvin held out

for the first three games. And so then I was, they were like, okay, Austin's going to get a test. Let's see if he can hold the rope. We come out, I have an overtime like touchdown. I go off the first game. I had like three touchdowns, like 160, 70 yards. And then start establishing myself like, okay, like this guy can actually play football. And they took me off of special teams. And I was just strictly playing offense. Love me. That'd be the best feeling in the world. Yeah. Yeah. So there's progression that you saw within. And really it wasn't that I was doing anything crazy, just doing my job, doing at a high level, doing it consistently.

And, you know, it carries over into so many different things, you know, all the aspects that I have outside of football as well. Like I see in my mind where it's like I take a project and I apply those same at the principles that I live by to it. And that's how I'm able to build and do so many because I'm not in the in the weeds and doing trying to do every little thing. I'm just trying to do my portion of it. And then I'll set up, and especially for the companies, I'll set up other people to do their portion of it. And my portion is to oversee it, right? When I'm in this room, it's like, okay, my portion is to play running back, right? I'm not trying to do as much, too much.

I'm trying to play running back to the highest level that I possibly can. And the rest of the team is, right, those teams that I put around myself as well. So it's something that I can rinse and repeat and I can just keep doing. Yeah, man, you've definitely, you've obviously established yourself as like a premier back in the league. You're a businessman. You can tell you always see the wheels turning up top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the headlines with the running back market and everything else.

Yeah. She, Dalvin Cook, he just accepted a deal, Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah. Kind of softer deals, short term, yeah. One year deals, franchise tags and all that. You've been somebody who seems to be like one of the leaders of that running back group. Where do you see this market going? How do you see all this shifting?

Like, what is the strategy in your mind as you see it from a bird's eye view? Yeah. You know, there's been a new narrative that's been coming out because of the contract situation that's going on. And for us, as running backs right now, I think it's important for us to talk about. it. And what we can do is one thing, which I think is amazing, is keep doing what we're doing right now as far as playing. Like, keep making a huge impact on your team. You know, there's average players in the NFL, but then there's the outliers. And those outliers are the guys that are setting the new markets, pushing the boundaries. And the reason they're doing that is because

they're not the average. So when we have these narratives that are coming out where they're comparing the outliers to the average, it really hurts us, you know, and that's not fair to those guys. You know, you can't say, oh, well, running backs in general only get this many yards. What about those guys? What about, you know, Josh Jacobs, who just ran for 1,600 yards and all those touchdowns and basically carried the Raiders offense? You know, what about Z or, I mean, Sequin, what he's been doing. You know, Tony Pollitt, those guys that are not the average, right?

And when you compare them to that, you could probably justify, yeah, you shouldn't be paying anything. But you could do that for every position. You know, why are you doing that for the running backs right now? And so for us, what I want us to do and what we've decided is let's keep talking about, Let's try to change this narrative understanding. Let people know that, hey, we can still make a big impact. And you see that. You go ask the Giants, fans and the coaching staff, how big of a impact Sequin is on the field.

Right. So when he's not on the field. And they'll tell you that. And so for us, it's talking about that. And so people understand that you cannot compare the outliers to the average and then justify paying them because of that. And then another thing that we need to do is continue to keep balling out. Continue to do that. Right.

And as we do that, I mean, time. will show as it has in the past that, yes, we can make an impact on our team. And not all running backs make a huge impact, but the ones that do, we need them to step up. Like me, there's this theory around 28-year-olds, like, oh, that's when they start dropping off. I'm 28. So it's on me. It's on my shoulders. Go out there and prove them wrong, you know. Where do you see the market going? Like, where do you want it? Where do you guys, like, want it to go collectively? Yeah. I mean, I think I just wanted to stay consistent, just like every other market is. You know, I'm not saying we have any guys that are pushing the top and need to bust open

the market cap right now and are the best new thing. I think Christian's still at that level and holding the down at the top. You know, you could make some arguments from some other guys, but no one's even getting close to those types of contracts where it's like, you're telling me they're that far away and I can't believe that. I don't buy that. And so there's been a decline as far as, you know, these re-uping of contracts and, you know, we saw it with a franchise tag where it's like now instead of giving Sequan all those three guys, right, a chance to go get an open market, tagged and they've been, you know, stuck at an artificial set number. Are they worth that? Maybe, maybe not, but they don't get an opportunity. And so you won't know. And so it messes

up our market. So now when you're getting compared to people how the market works, oh, well, the sick one's only getting 10. So we're going to give you less than that because you're not as good as him. But maybe he should be making 15, 16, 50. I don't know. We don't know. No one's going to know because he never got to the open market. Because it seems like with a lot of position group, it's like the next guy up. Like the next guy up who's played well enough, he just resets the market. And then that guy resets the market. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Off its alignment, which is all I really know, like some guy sets the market and then six months later, there's a new line. Then there's a new line. One thing you brought up a little bit ago that was a notable point is you're saying the biggest thing is for guys to stay and keep bawling for their team. Was there ever a discussion for you guys like we need to hold out as a running back group? Because it seems like if you're being undervalued so much, someone must have brought that to the table. Like, do we just hold out of this whole thing? Yeah, no, it's definitely been brought up. You know, and you can go back and forth or whether that's.

that's good or not. I just, I just know as a collective, it puts a lot of pressure on not necessarily the older guys, but the younger guys, you know, because it's like, if you have a rookie or first year or second year, or even a bubble guy, that's like, I need to make the team. And now you're asking them to hold out. It's like, man, that's, that's a tough spot to put it anybody. Like, you're not going to get paid either. So we're taking a risk here. And getting everyone on board with that, it takes time. And it takes, I think, a reason that would be bigger than just the running backs and maybe, you know, as a collective of the entire union. But now, I think it comes down to everyone's individual, you know, kind of situation.

Like, do you think that's going to be a power move for you not to sign your franchise tag or to hold out based off of, you know, your scenario? And it's all individual. What is your, what does your team think you can do? What are the conversations that you have in? Because maybe the team is interested in getting something done, but you're close, but you're not, you're not on the same page yet. So maybe you hold out to maybe kind of close that small gap.

Or if you're really far apart, it's like, I don't know if you can hold that. It might not do anything, you know. So I think there's different factors that play into everyone's situation. A lot of different variables. Do you feel like what are the conversations like when it comes to the thought of the running back having their own union? No. No. I mean, I've heard narratives like that.

I think those are coming from outside sources. I've never heard any of our guys say that. It doesn't really make sense to me because if we're not utilizing our own union that we have now, which is a lot more powerful because it's all of us, than what makes we think that we're going to do it on our own. Right. And, I mean, who's going to run that? You know, who's going to set that up?

Like, it's not just like, oh, we just start a union. The union is us. We are the, we are the union. Right, right, right. You know, so if you want to do something, let's do it. Let's get it done. Like, you already have the power to do what you want to do with your individual union. You know, like, we can do it right now.

What do you wait for, you know, if you want to start your own union? Why would you not, like conversations like we had? Like, that's what it is. It was the running back. there was no other position besides running backs on that. So basically we already have that in a way. So I just, I think that's extra work that's unnecessary.

Brother, we appreciate you coming on. I know literally 1202 right now. You have a work out at 1205. We could clearly talk to him for hours. For hours, we got to run it back in the bus. No,

I know you guys been trying to get me out there. We'll make it happen. We'll make it happen. Hopefully get it done this next off season. I'll have a whole empire to unload on you guys and let you guys know how's going. Yeah, man. That would be awesome.

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Drink Body Armor back to the episode. Gentlemen, welcome to Bustin with the boys. Yes, sir. First question. Who's the biggest tryhard on the team? to the biggest try hard on the team. Try hard. You pretty much can pick any defensive player always try hard.

I feel like defensive player always try hard. Yeah, they just, yeah, they're extra. Even walkthroughs. Yeah. It's a walkthrough, bro. What's you doing? Any defensive guy you want to pick each of time? To give some defense now for the defensive side,

the offensive line is taught to go at an unreasonable pace. Unnaturally, though. You think those big guys want to be running up and down the field like that? No, but I'm not afraid of being yelled at it. But it comes from the coaches. They, like, put some urgency on. I'm like, hey, we need some. Yeah, finish down line.

Yeah, finish with the ball carrier. Yeah. He goes running double route, 60 yards, gets tackled up the five-yard line. Yeah, he's your ass trotting down there. Yeah. You know? Joey Bosa, though, he's a guy you look at and you think,

probably not a try hard guy in practice. That's probably the only one that don't. Khalil don't really try hard either. Yeah. Because it's like an understanding, like, I would have made the play. Most of the guys is like, I got to get to my spot. I can't let you block me. I got to do this.

Like, bro, relax, bro. Like, you're probably not even going to make the play. You bring up a great point. Like, getting to a point where you know, like, you're good enough, you made the roster, not only made you made the roster, but you're a fucking star. Like, when did that creep in for you? There was a little bit of, there had to be some time there in the beginning. You were a little unsure.

Yeah, probably after I made the Pro Bowl. Yeah. I already thought I was pretty good, but then I made the Pro Bowl. And it was like, all right. You made one of the guys. That was like 2016. That was after my ACS, so 2016, I think. Maybe 2017.

You had comeback player the year in 17, right? That was the same year. Okay. So it was 16 season, 17 Pro Bowl. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. That is wild. And from then on, did it change your work at it or just how you practice?

No, I still practice hard. I'm not, I'm not try hard, but I go pretty hard in practice. You do? You don't think I go hard? No, I'll just fly. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. What's he going on as a teammate?

What's Kenny like as a teammate? Oh, amazing. You know? Be real. No, I'm being serious. He's like a coach, really. I mean, he, everybody go to him for, you know, examples of how to run a route. What do you think on this coverage?

If he playing me like this, how should I run it? I feel like a lot more people go to him as far as, you know, running routes before a coach. Yeah, you are nasty. You're nasty. Yeah, you're right running. It is, has that always been like a really important thing to you or did you realize early? I was, I always been shifty. I used to play running back.

And I was like, not Barry Sanders, obviously, but I was like, that was my play style. Like, Barry Sanders, L.T. I make guys miss, you know. And then I got, yeah, my sophomore year in high school, I went up to like 6'3, so then I just had to take it out as a receiver. But I can't dare you know. Same play style. Nah, not have been Levi-on-Bell, something like that, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, he moved. He was almost like staying still for a little bit. Yeah, he was different. And it would be like glitch and mad and, like, dudes were just kind of falling around. He'd, like, stand and wait for the hole to open. open and then get in there. Any other running back dude, the coach is yelling. No doubt.

You gotta hit the home. Mike Tomlin, dude, he just seems like he's got away with unique personalities. Like Rothesberger, A.B. and Levion on the same team. Yeah. No question. Housy brothers? No one. Aweva?

Yeah. That's crazy. Is there an art to running a route? Oh, absolutely. You got to have a vision. It's definitely art, man. You got to set this guy up. You got to paint a picture where he believes it, you know?

what's like something practical that you're able to just like say out loud because I feel like a lot of it too is probably just got to be instinct. Yeah, a lot of it's instinct but I think more than that it's leverage.

Once you know a guy's leverage, I can make him play the leverage more than he's supposed to. You know what I'm saying? I can really make him. Explain that for people that don't know what leverage is. So like if he has inside leverage,

it starts with the safety. So if it's two safeties, he's going to have inside leverage. If it's one safety, he's going to have the outside leverage. So once you, You can figure that out and you can see that pre-snap. If he has outside leverage, I'm taking him outside as far as I want to take him.

And now the inside is that much more open. You know what I'm saying? Same thing with the outside. If he's inside leverage, I'm taking him inside. Is that something you had to learn early? Absolutely. You got to be comfortable with it. I mean, like, for a rookie, it's hard to do.

I tell him all the time. Like, look at the safety. If it's too high, he got inside leverage. But it's hard to like. I'm feeling comfortable. Yeah, you ain't, you ain't just about to come out here. He said he's still not comfortable. I do it sometimes, but I feel like he push it to like the farthest point to where it's like, but he still do it though.

Yeah, like in your mind when you're pushing somebody with outside leverage outside, you think about that red line in practice? Yeah, I'm like, he's not going to move and then I'm going to come back in. He's going to be waiting on me. Try to push him out to the gatorade pile. I'm taking him. Yeah, he's taking him out there. Because I know he got to play. He got to play it.

Yeah. Do you all self-scout a lot to where you're like, okay, I need this route to match up to what people are obviously preparing for? And this is how I can make it look like this to change it up. That's where the art part come in. You make everything look the same. You know what I'm saying? They don't know what's coming. So it's tough.

It's tough. Playing off its line, I don't know how it is for you, but like just watching you all on the outside. It's like that's cool. It just seems like they're running. Yeah, it seems like they're running. I know.

You're like, you know, two jet, bubble, blah, blah, ball. And you're like, all right, boys, good luck. And you just run like a slant. You're like, you didn't really do anything, did he? You know, really thinking about leverage and all that stuff. It's wild. How many, like, mini games are being played on one snap.

That's a match for sure, especially when you're playing against a good guy. Yeah. And he knows his leverage, but he don't really have to play that leverage. That's why I like playing against the Patriots. They're tough, man, because, like, it's one high. So they're playing outside leverage, but they'll play ahead up and they won't move. I just like, man, I don't know. I'm going to get in there today.

It's wild how the Patriots, like, I mean, they obviously have talent on their team. But they've made a living for themselves being like a team that just like is really well coached and get it done. And then you think a one-on-one outside, you'd be like, oh, this is no problem. This thing's down as talented as me, blah, blah, blah, but they're just so dialed. the fuck in. Diled. And they just spin the wheel on defense.

Yeah. They could run a three, four, one week and the next week they're running a five. Exactly. You can't game plan. We have no idea what we're going to do. Every time we played them,

wrong. We're wrong. Dude. And then they bring when Chung back in the day, he'd go down and play the safety. And it'd be like, you like now count him and you're counting all that. It's tough.

And their defense, like they're known for trying to take out the, you know, the better weapon as much as they can. So even though the dude's playing head up, he probably knows that he's got some inside help somewhere. But you say, Hey, when you're playing the Patriots, Mike, like, early in your career,

this man's getting doubled over here. It had to be nice. Can't double both guys. I had like it early on. And then they started trying to double both of us. Oh, God. And they had Stefan and J.C. It was like, bad.

What was he doing? Like, it was like punt. No, it was crazy. It was double vice. Really? No, it was single. It was me and Stefan, and then they double him with J.C. You got to do that?

You guys play fantasy? No. I don't. No fantasy football? Do you look at the numbers? On the team? I think Ake does. For sure.

I think Ackle does. For sure. I think he got his only. Y'all are some heavy hitters. Yeah. You are some heavy hitters. Sometimes you got to like pick and choose. Like which one do we think so you get the ball more this week?

Got to. I know if I'm on the team like I'm coming up. I have one of you guys draft. I'm going to say, hey, I need a, I need something this week. I need somebody. Don't get mad at you, bro. Do what? I say, don't get mad at it.

Now, if you don't put up numbers, I'm, you know, Jay Reid, like I always had Jordan Reed on my fantasy and I'd come up to him and be like, hey, you got caught two balls last week, I'm going to need you to pick it up. Dude, I'm going to move on. I'm going to have to move on. It's great. We're going to have to move on from you. Do you guys get tweeted out quite a bit from people on their fantasy teams? Yeah.

Have you ever been like a Todd Gurley situation where you get the ball? And the touchdown's right there, but you know for the betterment of winning the game, you can't, you can't score. I've not been in that situation. What do you think you would do in that situation? I don't know. Because to me, selfishly, I'm thinking stats, baby. We had a contract year coming up, it could be three years away.

They got to remember this touchdown. Yeah. You know? What was the situation on Todd? So it's like usually like in a four-minute situation. Were they up already? Basically wave the white flag and they'll like let you score. It's more of a running back thing.

They'll like let you score to get the ball back only being down nine and now it gives them more time to do that onside kick. So the situation for you would be. I think for a running back, you got to just go down. Got to go down. But for you, you can kind of play. I am a receiver. I'm not always in this type of situation.

Come on, baby. You get your bubble screen. You get your bubble screen and you. Like coach, we have two possessions. You want me to do. Yeah, exactly. We can't let him score twice. We can't let us score twice.

Just let Bosa and Khalil go to work, bro. They got to go on now. I need you. Yeah. Mike, for you when you got draft, like, actually, let's go back to just draft in general for both of you. When you guys were, you were 2014? 13.

2013. Where did you guys want to go? You've been here long enough now. It's okay if you don't say the charges, but where did you want to go? I really didn't have a place I wanted to go. Who were you a fan of growing up? I like Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson, but I didn't want to go to Minnesota.

Yeah. Where'd you grow up at? I know you went to Clinton. I grew up in South Carolina. Yeah. So you're like coming out. Yeah. West Coast.

Yep. It's far. You never thought about going to University of South Carolina? Yeah. It was an option. It was the option. Our boy, Jay Hove. Hove, he's a big guy.

He's a game cock. Oh, yeah. That's where I was going to commit. What happened? He went to Clemson. Yeah. He said, no. On the day of when I went to commit, I just picked the Clemson hat.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I grabbed my-in-law. That's crazy. I swear. I told my family I'm going to South Carolina. It was like 30 minutes from the crib. I'm like, yeah, we're going there. And then on commitment day, I grabbed the South Carolina hat, put it down, grab the Clemson.

My mom was like, what are you doing? What is you doing, no fucking way. He's confused. There's no way you just, you had that opinion. But it's crazy because I had to come from it. commitment day, my coach, my high school coach had a long talk with me because he knew I was going to South Carolina, but he wanted me to go to Clemson. And he had a long talk with me before, like we had a delayed thing and all. And he was leaning towards the point. What were the points he was

giving you? What was the reason why you shouldn't go to? He was just talking about quarterback situation. South Carolina didn't have like a real elite quarterback. Like Clemson got some guys coming in, receivers. I had to learn from Sammy and them. South Carolina didn't have nobody. But that was my main thing. I'm like, I go to South Carolina. I'm going to be the star. Like, I'm going to go right now. Be the star. Clemson's a little bit of cash. Did you get a little bit of cash? You get a little bit of cash. All right. You can't get in trouble anymore. NIL's a thing. Clemsies is clean clear. Yeah, yeah, nah. You got some cash. I ain't got no cash. New car? No. Free meal. I was driving to Buick. Hey, Beulks are a low bill like a old, oh, old Buick.

Yeah. A point in point B. Yeah. Locked in. Cool. that better than me. How much did you get paid to go to college? I wish, man. I was on my way to go into Alabama, though. We probably would have got some bread. No question. I didn't get nine, though.

I mean, it's not Alabama. My people wouldn't take nine, though, huh? So they were trying to? No, they were, yeah, they was there. They was going, they was going to show some love. They was going to show. Alabama, it's like almost like they almost say. They almost at this point.

Like, they pay people. Yeah, they did. We had Derek on the pond. He's like, I got paid in rings, which is a hell of a thing to say. Yeah. That shit goes hard. I went on a visit. everybody got Chrysler's.

You know, it's crazy. Say that again? Everybody at the dorm had a Chrysler. Had a Chrysler? 300. 300. 300. I'm like Jeeps.

I'm like, bro, what's up? Chrysler 300's got to be the number one drug dealing car. Come on. There's no way. They said they hook it up when you get there? Systems. Rams. You hear about Matthew Stafford when he was going to leave early?

No. He came out to his mailbox and there was $500,000 sitting in his mailbox for him to stay for another year. Now, obviously, he was the first overall thing. He's like, this is fucking nothing. He had to believe. But the SEC rules like that, dude. $6,500? I think he gave it back.

No, I think he gave it back. I didn't hear from him. This is like a game of a telephone. A friend does a friend. Now I'm here. You know? I would have kept that. You would have kept it?

What? No question. Somebody took it. I don't know where it's at. Once you leave, Polly. Where is that? No, 100,000 in the mail box. I ain't heard it up.

That's what I'm saying? Crazy. Take my mail every day. You think dudes is leaving college and then they get in trouble. Like, Reggie Bush is a perfect example. Like, they took his high as a perfect example. away. Yeah.

Like, I'm Reggie Bush. I'm just going to go to a trophy shop and like, hey, make me a replica of the Heisman. I won that thing. It doesn't fucking matter. Clear as day. Clear as day. They do need to give that shit back to me.

They got to give that shit back to them in a hurry. Yeah. It's crazy. Mike, when you got drafted here, what was the dynamic like between y'all too? Because you're obviously a first round pick. You're very established. Yeah. Yeah.

Comeback player of the year, Pro Bowls. See, it was different because when I first got here, I was dealing with my back. So I missed OTA's training camp, like the first four weeks of the season. So I was just in the rehab. have room just trying to get right. I wasn't really in meetings like that. I was just trying to get healthy. So it was a little different.

It started off slow. And then once I hit the field, film room, my main thing was how could I learn defenses to make my job a little easier and just hearing them talking meetings and stuff, just made everything a lot quicker for me, learning a lot faster and just, yeah, play fast. Was there a, go ahead. Was there a lot like a dynamic between you two coming in,

like you being a first round pick? What year were you when Mike came in? I was a year four. Did you sign your same contract yet? He signed was the year I made the pro bowl. Yeah. So that was right after the ACA. Now, was there a little bit of a like,

are they trying to replace me? Because you guys are similar players. That's how I was feeling when we first did it. Yeah. I was sitting next to Trave like, oh, Trave, they trying me right now. They try me. It is stressful sitting there watching the draft. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm like, they try me. But we draft for the first round receiver this year. I thought they was trying me again. trying me again. They think I'm getting old. Did you extended it at this point when they had drafted him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, so you, there's no trying you. No. We're just bringing him more talent to help him out. No, no, no. So, I mean, he was tired. You got extended while I was here, I think. I got extended while Mike was here, so.

Right. No, I actually got extended the year before I told my ex year. And then again. So that was, I got, I got extended the year he got here. Mm-hmm. And then I got another one. Three years left.

Congratulations on that. Appreciate it. It is big time. You were the same year as, like, you, Corey Davis and one other receiver, you guys went like three in a row, right? John Ross. John Ross.

Man. John Ross. My dog retired this year. Every fantasy person was like, this is the guy I'm taking. For sure. Early. Ross?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you run a 40 like that. You know the casual washers. Oh, yeah. I said, and they're going, this is my fucking fantasy. Ross Fass. He's going to get to wrecked.

He's looking for that Tyreek. You, man. When you're coming. out, obviously you guys had picked boom, boom, boom, like three in a row. Are you thinking, like, there's a little rivalry here? Nah, me and Corey was training together for the combine. Yeah, Corey's an awesome dude. Yeah, he cool.

He cool, as far. We was training. We was talking about it. I think he had, like, hurt his ankle or something. So he was just kind of rehabbing there, X-O. So, yeah, we was talking about it. We was talking about who was going first. There wasn't a little something there.

I want to go first. I talked to Tennessee. Tennessee came and worked me out at Clemson. It was like, yeah, we're going to draft you. That's the crazy thing about the. drive, bro. It is wild. There's lots of your face. You know what I mean? We're going to draft you. We love you. If you get

to us, it's over with. Like, they can't work me out. Everything was smooth. But, yeah. Went the other direction. Yeah, so when the Titans came on the, they were the first one to pick, right? Yeah, it was five. That's when the domino effect happened. Yeah. Because they took Corrie and they took Dorrie Jackson. It was five, six, seven? Yeah, I was five.

I was seven. I was seven. Yeah. Oh, that had to hurt. Ross was Athamese. Yeah. Yeah. So how does you feel when they, when they say, hey, I'm going to draft you, then all of a sudden they take another wide receiver. I wasn't tripping. It was Tennessee, so I wasn't really tripping. That hurts you here.

Hey, that hurts you here. Oh, that is funny, too. I wasn't really tripping. I mean, Philip Rivers. Yeah. I can't say a good situation. Talk about Philip Rivers. Great situation to come into.

Obviously, never got a chance to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. But talk about Phil, and then obviously the difference, the difference is with him and Justin. Like he said, being a coach on the field. Phil was definitely, he ran the whole offense. Like meeting room, everything, go through field. Change the plays at the line.

Phil here to play coming in the helmet. No, we ain't running that. He changed the whole play. Yeah, without Phil, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I'm probably not here right now. Really? Yeah, Phil was the guy, man, for sure. How long did it take you to do you to get that kind of connection, you're like, this is my dude?

Probably about halfway through my rookie season. Say your rookie year was... Yeah, my rookie year was solid. I wasn't even going to play like that, but then Malcolm Floyd got hurt. Then I got right in, and I was kind of the number one. It was Malcolm, Eddie Royal.

He had like a toe injury or something like that, so he didn't play that much. So it was really just me and Gates. Danny Woodhead. Oh, Danny Wood. That's right, man. Damn. I would hear that Philip Rivers,

I don't know how far away he lived, but he would be watching film and doing everything on his car right over the morning. Yeah, he went from here to San Diego. So his whole ride is film study. He just had a driver in a sprinter van? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he lived in like

Incinitas or something like that. Carl's better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rancho, Sanibath? Like an hour drive. Yeah, for sure. Ferry and back. And Phil lead a game.

We play Sunday away. When we get on the bus, he already film study and breaking down the blitz tape next team. That's fucking wild. He ain't playing around. He wasn't. Because he got to run the Blitz meat.

he's got to run the blitz. So he's studying film for the next week already. He's got to do the bliss meet. He's already put that one in the past once you guys got on the bus. He has no. How do you guys feel when you're coming back from planes and you might not have the best game? Like how quick are you to watch that film?

I probably won't watch it. You won't watch it? No. Really? If I had a bad game? Yeah, so for me, if I had a bad game, I would literally be on that plane, essentially in a blender.

In a blender? Yeah, just sitting there mentally like what the fuck happened here? Torturing yourself. Torturing myself for the hour flight back or trying to fly back. I've been doing essence like high school. though. You had those couple bad plays and then all you think about is the bad plays. Some five touchdowns, but damn, I could have caught that one though. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. It's a mental warfare for sure. I feel like people don't understand like the NFL is really,

like you don't just show up on Sundays and play. I feel like casual fan still doesn't know that. No. And you go and you have a bad game or a game you don't want. This is it going to be the one. You see the matchup and you're like, I'm going to fucking end this guy. Oh, yeah. And then it goes the exact opposite and you're like, trying to reset the season. My fraud. Is it over crazy? What was it like for you? Your presentation? perspective, Philip Rivers. Similar.

I feel like he's someone I needed coming in as a rookie, just somebody who was future Hall of Famer, having a guy like Keenan kind of take a lot of pressure, you know, off my game, just not getting all that attention. But yeah, Philadelphia Rivers was like somebody that you can go to about anything, you know, film study, routes, whatever. I feel like he was a coach also, like him. Phillip Ripples was just to go.

He knew the offense so well. It was like, it was crazy. What are the differences with him and Justin Herbert? I think experience at this point. When I got with him, I think he was on year 10 or 11. So he already 10 years in. Playoffs, the boys were going like 14 and 2 every year back with L.T. And it was crazy back then.

So I think definitely experience. He knew every defense, anything you could throw at him. He knew the whole offense. So we changed the plays at the line. Like, I don't even know what play he's checking to. What's that, bro? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. It was crazy. How disappointing is it when you guys, it feels like you have great regular seasons. You get super close. You lose a close one in the playoffs. It seemed like for a minute they're in and year in and year out. Yeah, it's tough. I actually seen Sean Marion do an interview the other day.

He was saying for them to get for us to get to the playoffs, We got to go through Tom Brady, Ben Rothensberger, well, now it's Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. Like, these are the guys we got to get past. So, I mean, it ain't like we playing against Division 2 teams and we just thinking it up. Right. We were playing against some good guys.

And last year we lost Trevor Lawrence. He's a great guy too. On a comeback. On a beast's a fucking hurt. On a beastie comeback. The toughest shit. Beastie comeback. He never supposed to get high like that.

That was some Steph Curry shit. like just got hot. Like we didn't get a stop. We didn't get a stop. They said any given Sunday. You had to go in the half time being like, damn, we boys. We had no round. Here we come.

We scored one touchdown in the first half and we had like five turnovers. So it wasn't. It wasn't. Yeah, but they were playing so bad. Yeah, they were. Yeah. Hey, I don't know what to tell you.

It was one of those ones, man. Yeah, that's got to be tough. God, yeah. What's it like playing for Coach Daly? And do you love going for it as much as you guys do? I love it. Yeah, we love it for sure. It's another op.

You know, we get another app. It's we want the ball, man. Like, we want the ball. We want to lose with the ball in our hands. And that's what we want to do. So y'all are always ready to go for it when he's being aggressive. Because he obviously, he'll take a lot of heat whenever it doesn't work out. And it costs a game or whatnot.

But are you guys as offensive players, like, are you guys always like, hell yeah, let's drop another thing. Yeah, I think so. Once he makes the call. It's like, oh, yeah, for sure, we're going for it. It might be sometimes before the call. It's like, all right, damn, we got a punt. Oh, we're going for it.

Oh, shit, let me tighten up. Let me tighten up. So, yeah. Yeah, man, I was the Raiders game a couple years ago when y'all just kept fucking, it was like the last couple series, and it felt like it lasted an hour long because y'all kept converting

on third and long and even fucking fourth and long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, just reminiscing on the old days. Yeah. Back when ball was life? Yeah, back when ball was life. I thrust it. I got us into the playoffs.

We beat him. Almost recovered of ball. Yeah. I got a totally different question, but we were just at In-N-Out Burger. Where's your has a stance at an Out Burger? As far as fast food burger, it's a little...

It's a little bit like Starbucks. It's a little overrated to me. I eat it here and there, but I think it's a little overrated. What makes it overrated? I don't know. I feel like it's... This is not the best burger you can get. It's not.

It's not the best burger. It's not the best burger. You can't get anything with the burger is a big deal breaker. What's it again? You can't get anything with the burger. You obviously don't know about the secret menu. Shake? What's the way?

No, we don't want no animal style fries. No, we don't want no animal style fries. That's cool, but it's overrated though. What's better? A lot of spots better. Like burger spots? Name one. I'm a big five and five guys guy.

Five guys is not a fast food place. It's fast casual. What is that even mean? There's no drive-through. No drive-through, okay. Yeah. Don't even worry about it, boys. This is going well.

It's just going well. Going well. Oh, Will. One, good to go. Five guys is better. Five guys is better. Also, three times as much. Is it?

Yeah. I mean, you guys, don't last forever. You guys need to work on your finances. You can't be going to five guys every single day. $25 for a burger. I digress. That might be the only one that's better.

I like Burger King, too. I ain't going to loud of you. I can do it. I'm a Wopper. That is a wild one. I'm a Wopper guy. I don't know why, but I like a Wopper, bro. But Burger King, I don't think Burger King's ever had anything except for French Toastix.

I don't think there's a difference between Carson's and Burger King. Who are a couple guys that give you problems? Backwise. We're linebacker. I don't know. Nobody. I ain't never really had, like, one person that really gives me problems. Okay.

Who's had your number? more so than you'd like. Revis did me dirty one time. You played against Revis. It was my second year. And the game plan was like we're not even going to throw his way. We know he's going to match you today, Keenan, and we're not even going to mess with him.

That was the game plan. I've never felt so disrespected. Free meditation. Like, bro, this is crazy. Ended up having like two catches for one yard. Dang. No way. Why?

I didn't even get open. I ain't going to hold you. I was running around sometime. Like, I know I ain't going to get the ball, but I'm a trying right here. Let me see. You know, that was peatting. Boom.

Oh, man. He was just right there. He strapped me like. I was like, oh, no. No, he was tough. Is he the goat? Yeah, he's up. No, he's not even close.

Really? Yeah. I'm up my age. I ain't talking about Dion and I might ain't play against them, but yeah, it's not even close. Imagine being that guy. Yeah.

We can't even throw to you today. And he played for the Patriots. So it's like a double. Yeah. He know the play and he the best. Like, come on, that's cheap. How about for you, Mike? Yeah.

I don't know. I ain't never really. They all be the same. Yeah, I love. Like, skilled positions, man, they just can. Oh, no. It's like. We don't really get matched a lot.

Man, Mike don't get matched a lot. Like, we only got matched by Stefan and JC. The Patriots again. That might be it. Like, Xavier and Howard matched him last year. Uh He's avian Howard Oh

Yeah Most of the We don't get it We don't get a lot of it Because they got to go like too high They got to run shell against us And they'll just double me You know what I'm saying

Like They're gonna Yeah that's all Uh Any team that play man Honestly It don't even matter who it is If they play man

And they don't have help They're not going to win Love that answer Mike The same. So what? Oh, they got a roll? Oh, yeah, it's 130. Boys, thanks for joining us.

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