Bussin' With The Boys - Ben Greenfield Exposes the 49ers Substation Conspiracy + The TRUTH About Peptides | Bussin'

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sit down with biohacking pioneer and 13-time Ironman triathlete Ben Greenfield on Episode 401 of Bussin' With The Boys. Ben reveals the BPC-157 protocol that fueled Will and Taylor's NFL recovery, breaks down red light therapy and the science of the perfect morning routine, tries the carnivore diet for 12 weeks and opens up about nearly losing his marriage chasing longevity. Plus NFL Week 4 recap, Bussin' on Campus at Virginia Tech and the 49ers cell tower theory.   Support the Big Man Foundation: https://www.thebigmanfoundation.org/   Timestamp Chapters:   0:00 Open 4:18 Bussin' on Campus at Virginia Tech 6:12 Lincoln This Weekend 7:55 Matt Rhule on HBO's Lanterns 10:01 NFL Week 4 Recap 15:22 Dan Campbell Hot Seat 17:05 Travis Hunter Is That Dude 20:31 Chargers & Mike McDaniel Hot Seat 24:23 Spooktober at the Shop 25:59 Grumpy Cop From Knoxville 35:36 Big Man Foundation 42:43 Ben Greenfield Interview 52:37 Red Light Therapy Deep Dive 1:05:19 12 Weeks on the Carnivore Diet 1:15:08 Water Infused with Steak Frequency 1:20:46 Boundless Film on Apple TV 1:34:24 Raising Resilient Sons 1:42:09 Tim Ferriss Changed Everything 1:47:59 Natural Testosterone vs TRT 1:54:41 The Perfect Morning Routine 2:13:05 49ers Cell Tower Debate 2:32:33 What Longevity Cultures Get Right 2:37:36 Creatine for the Brain 2:44:05 Bud Light QuestionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm like having an inner dialogue with myself how I can. But anyway, you got it done. Buddy, we had Ben Greenfield on the podcast. It just, there was a moment where he's sitting there and he's saying all those big words I'm understanding about every third one of them. But he's like talking about the things that you and I and our friendship, like the foundation of it really came to.

And that's where I'm just like, dude, it's crazy. 401 episodes in. We get a guy that essentially had a small piece in starting what this has become. Yeah, he was some inspo back in the day. Because I'm sure people, I'm sure we'll get comments. Like, who's this guy? Why did you guys have him on? You guys, you don't.

You don't even fucking know. You don't get it. Ben Greenfield was the guy. He was some of the goal. for the accountability, buddy stuff back in the day. We were just young whippersnappers in the league. Just trying to get 1% better, chasing that 1% year in and year out. Yeah.

Because all the BPC stuff that you put me on came for Ben Greenfield, the sauna, cold tub, HGH boost therapy that we would try to do. Yeah. Like it's all, it all came from Ben. Yeah. And seeing him on Rogan's podcast and seeing his podcast and the books. Like it's, it was a big piece of nostalgia for both of us today. Yeah.

I wonder if he enjoyed it as much. much as we enjoyed him. I don't know. I couldn't get a vibe. Like, I thought he felt like it was awesome. He was having some fun towards the end where you're like, all right. Yeah. I have a boy's kind of, he's starting to find himself.

Tell us about your cheat meals, man. Sounds like the boy don't really got cheap meals like that. Sounds like he just keeps opera and you no matter what. Because I was like, when he came in, I was like excited. I'm like, hey, are you aware? Are you aware of some of our connective tissue? Yeah. He wasn't.

He didn't the most polite way possible. Like, ah. Yeah. Bro, we'd DM before. Yeah. About BPC 157. Wanting you to know how much we appreciate you. Yeah.

Yeah, he's a man. It was. A virtual assistant responding to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's talking about like breaking down. By the way, what a, what a way to go about it.

Was that Craigslist? Yeah. The four hour body just unlocking his potential. Just crazy. Shout out to Paris. And him just gently sprinkling how his marriage was on the rocks and he had to make some shifts and all that. It's like, yeah, dude, you've really lived a lot of different lives. Yeah, I got to check out his, the little TV show he's got on Apple.

Yeah. Came out just. what just a couple of weeks ago was that godfrey it's a documentary boundless boundless produced by Zach Ephron of all people yeah what a beautiful time

dude um amazing show on Friday had a great time of Virginia Tech Blacksburg Virginia was unbelievable the crowd I will say Knoxville probably more people overall more heads to count but Blacksburg Virginia

they give a shit about their football now as far as embracing us coming to town like one of the better performances throughout the that I've seen so Virginia Tech making posts saying that we're coming out yeah they're like the thing I loved the most about Virginia Tech fans is we brought up like Big 10 schools SEC schools big 12 schools schools that are not in their conference at all and they would just boo the shit out of them they're like hey no no fuck that the only time they would ever cheer was when Metallica was playing uh James Franklin came on or we happened to mention one of their players

Luke Reynolds at Luke every time a player was mentioned they would lose their mind but dude incredible atmosphere. The day of a game. Unfortunately, it didn't work out their way. I was sad for him. I was sad for him. We talked about the turkey lights. Turkey leagues were good.

First time you all got food on set? They were solid. First time we had food on set, I actually said goodbye too as we were in the commercial break. I was like, we'll see you next time. And the next time will be five minutes from now when we come back.

Interesting move. I thought. I kind of sprinkled over with Franklin is, your mascot is a hokey, which is essentially a turkey. Learned that the bird's name is turkey bird. and your gift to us is a turkey leg. Doesn't really, I feel like it doesn't.

You want us to eat the Hokies. Yeah. If anything, we should be like, you should give us turkey baby turkeys as like a gift. Like take care of these turkeys and keep them forever. But Kevin Bags brought us some swag at the commercial break. I put the Votte Tech hat on, dude. Started supporting.

Guy had an incredible energy. Yeah, he did. Incredible energy out of Franklin too. He was awesome, man. The vibes were immaculate. the entire time. How did a great time? Lincoln this weekend.

How do we feel about that, dude? You know, I feel like that. We did a whole college from a break down. But hey, I'll tell you what, Nebraska, it's time to go. It's time to go. It's a big moment. Can't have 10 penalties in the first half. Can't do it.

Can't do it. Got to play clean football, but also that backyard football that Calandria has been playing. We kind of love that as well. I need the sprinkled backyard play. Do you see the hurdle he had? No. He had a hurdle?

Oh yeah. Jumped over. It's jumped over a turp. That boy's got bunnies. That boy can move around a little bit. Need Jamal rule playing this week? No. He was hurt.

Limited snaps or did not play? Did not play. Did not play. DnP. Now, Mackay Nelson is a dog. No question. He's a dude. But it's going to take everybody.

It's going to take everybody. It's going to take everybody as we don't want to link in the Bradd Stadium. We're going to need them all. We're going to need them all. Bussing and Payton on campus sitting there. Of course. Friday. Sold out.

Like, I'm expecting you to do this show from two to three Eastern Time. And it's going to be me. and Josh Pate. Because once we land, once tires hit the surface of Lincoln, Nebraska, Willsall, Nebraska. And he's going to have his moment, I'm sure, to juice up the fans,

and they're going to love him because everybody loves Wilcompton. But don't even worry about talking about any other games. Any other ballplayers, buddy. You just sit back. There's some good games on this weekend. There's some great games on this weekend. Video.

Oh, for the, for the game of the game. The Jumbotron will call Hurt to everybody I haven't done one this year Yeah I haven't done one yet this year Can't lose the voice that early though Exactly you can't lose the voice that early

We'll be there for the entire dude We're gonna need it all four quarters Yeah a lot of respect for Kurt Zignetti In the Indiana Usiers Welcome to Lincoln Nebraska Yeah go ahead Will did you see that Matt Ruhle had one of the most wild Cameos on planet Earth last night

I saw somebody tag me in one but I haven't seen The scene Green Lantern show on HBO Max called Lanterns. It's really good. And it was a series finale. And part of the plot lines, one of the kids is like deciding where he's going to go to college. And Matt Rule is in the stands. And then you go, oh, wow, that's cool. Matt Rule's in there. Like one of the final scenes is Matt Rule, giving the kid a hat and be like, this looks good on you, son. I was watching outside going, what the fuck? You tell me Matt, Matt Rule's doing cameos?

On a superhero TV show. All season work. That was offseason work. Yeah. Awesome TV show. Yeah, it was really good. Look at him. He's locked in on the Indiana. It's right there. He always thinking about as the Hoosiers right now. Yeah, yeah. Everybody knows we win the off season. Yeah, everybody knows we win the off season. Can you go to my Instagram and pull up the story? I saw a AI video of Matt Rule

being Michael Jackson from the movie Thriller. And I just thought, I got to put this on my story, man. Because it's all eyes on the Oscars this weekend. While he's bringing it up, where is the live show in Lincoln? South Stadium. South Stadium right next to the Osborne Legacy Complex. Do what? Is that where we've done the live show before?

No, this is like at, probably the it's like seen as like the main entrance of the stadium south side he tells me on the other side usually we'd come in from like the hawk side that's where like when I was in college like that was like the main side for us

but south side it's I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be a sea of red don't get you juiced out dude oh yeah of course it's actually like really fucking good it's so AI's getting too good AI's getting way too strong It's actually, this might not be AI.

This might just be, look at rule. It's off-season. That's off-season rule right there. It's his off-season work. I'll tell you what, dude, I'm juiced up. I hope he comes on the show on Friday. I hope he hangs out with the boys. He's for the boys.

He's for the boys. I'd love to have Calandria on, but I've already run that past Willie Boy, and he's like, he got to focus on Indiana. I can't be having shows on Fridays. Emma Johnson I'm here and is going to be in town. Real? Yeah.

After his bit, their big win yesterday over the Raiders. Oh, oh. I was so close, bro. You really were. They should have won that. That was a weird two-minute drill for the Raiders and the Chiefs. Yeah. I was fired up.

I'm like, damn, the Raiders are playing some ball, man. They operated, like, all the knock on, like, turnover differential and special teams play. Everyone's like, yeah, it's really like a pig with lipstick. Like, they went toe to toe with a Super Bowl contending team that seems like they're back more than ever. Yeah. And it took them down to the wire. Yeah. Where they, you know, it got weird.

There was a couple, I can't, my brain's not really firing on the idea of what happened in it, but there was a couple of plays during that last two-minute drill that just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. There was a couple of wide receivers wide open then thuggins hit right in the chest and it just dropped.

It was like a penalty that wasn't a penalty, but it kind of became a penalty. That Tyquan... Tyquine Thornton. Terrific. Oh, bro. And then he tries get up and celebrate for a second and realize, oh, fuck, I'm fucked up.

So it came out. He didn't actually break his ankle, just dislocated, which could be worse? No, better. I just don't know how it works with all the ligaments and shit in there. Yeah, ligament tears. They kind of goes into, like, they say sometimes, like, ankle breaks are better than, like, a high ankle sprain. Because sometimes it's just the bone, crack, it gets fixed six to eight weeks. But like a high ankle sprain, because of the ligament damage that takes place, could take longer to recover.

But dislocating ankle, if you reset that thing and the tip fibs, okay. where it all kind of connects. I'm not a doctor. I think it's not too bad. Seems like you put some stress on them tendons and legs. Put some stress. You definitely can stretch some things out. He's obviously going to be out for a couple weeks,

but that's like a big loss for the chiefs because he's been really hard. Rishi came up, lame with a hamstring injury. Xavier Worthy finally over 30 yards. Kill me a fantasy doing that bullshit. So like Tyquan being out, he's been like the one bright spot

at wide receiver for us, which kind of sucks. Yeah. You know one. Fucking Kenneth Walker, dude. You know one on Bomed. and just for fun pull the trigger on. What? The Patriots.

I know. Everything was pointing towards. This is when the Patriots came together. Bills are playing way too well. Josh Jones. Drake with the Yips is the only thing that was holding me back, but that was one where it's like, I believe zero that the Patriots are going to win.

But would be fun just to say this is going to be an upset. This is why the NFL is why the NFL is the NFL. Yeah. Because when you think a team is dead and gone, unless they're the Chargers or the, Texans. It's like, no. They're just going to win this week

just because. They're going to steal a couple weeks ago and he called that. Do what? You got an unsportsman like? I saw that. That was kind of bullshit. Yeah, he's yelling at the ref. Yeah, but like, that's what you like... He's like, it's a bad fucking call. Bad fucking call. Yeah. And he's getting the boys juice. Like, hey, listen, I'm riding for you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Braves is doing a good job being player coach guy. The, uh, I think, I heard there was like, I don't know, I heard something about in his post, post-game press conference where he was like, they're talking about derogatory things being said and he's like listen I just said there was a bullshit call

that's all that's all it was and stretch called me down I trust stretch with my life so I got in the guy's face about it and so that was it but yeah you can't have that you can't have the refs you know you got a tongue lashing it for once in a while I'm on team Braves on this

did I see and again I know this is a world AI so I have no fucking clue but did I see a clip where Trey McBride was getting cussed out by one of the refs yeah the refs is the right I'm going, fuck you. NFL's investigating you right now. Really?

So that was real. Yeah, that was real. And it just shows Tray kind of looked back and he's like, whatever. Tracee sees the camera catch him and he looks. He's like, oh, you're fucked. He's like that clearly just got your ass. Because that dude is legit telling Trayman bride to go fuck himself.

That is the craziest thing ever. These refs, man. These refs, I think they just have crowns on top of their head. Dude, you're just a zebra. You know who almost did it, bro? Who? The Eagles. the Eagles were up on the on the Rams

we were getting into that fourth quarter I was like man the Eagles might pull this one out They didn't deserve to do it Jeremy Club gave me the stats of Jalen Hertz Second half and I don't remember all of them You mean to read them I have it right here perfect freedom Jalen Hurts second half stats the last two weeks 8 of 21 52 passing yards zero TDs

Also the Cowboys had 28 second half points Against the Texans a week four The Eagles had 20 second half points Through four games this season the Eagles have been out gained by 422 yards in the second half this season they're a minus 32.51 offensive EPA in the second half which is the worst in the NFL so for the Eagles fans that are listening to Jack still got more I'm not trying to yeah

do you have more what's funny is clump sent me all these stats and wants us to post them so I'm like he's living in his own hell as well so I respect him he's he's he's a mileing himself right info forward there was a lot more stats soon we can throw off down it's crazy and if you are in Eagles fail like Jack saying that information, he's not hating. That's Jeremy Klump. Like, we don't hate the Eagles, but Jeremy Klump's fandom of the Eagles has made us

essentially hate the Eagles. Can't have it. The Eagles are also averaging five points in the second half this year. What happened? The Eagles are averaging five points in the second half this year. God. Is it... Some more points in the Michigan Wolverines.

Am I overreacting when I see O for 12 on third down, but they scored 20 points? Like, that almost just doesn't even seem possible. Chunk plays in first and second, brother. Yeah. something's got to give that's crazy it's an interesting deal

it's a weird year in the NFL Lions defense is horrendous Panthers are beating them Jared Goff almost comes back but doesn't come back is Dan Campbell is he starting to feel that it's a little bit warmer

because he seems no way he seems distraught on the field some of the dumb penalties that are happening some of the dumb plays that are taking place the fact that their defense

can't get shit done I love Dan Campbell I love him I want him to stay. But like... They got to realize that they were before him. No doubt. Is there a role where he actually is on a hot seat to get fired?

I think if you... I think Mitch said it perfectly. If you're a Lions fan, you've been a longtime Lions fan, you need to realize where you were before Dan Campbell showed up. Because the Lions were teams went to die. Your career went to die. And now, like, you're at least competitive. Each and every week, your defense is horrendous.

your offense seems incredible, but you can't have, you just, it's the league, dude. It's what have you done for me lately? Can't have it, dude. You can't be around it. It's tough.

Yeah, like maybe he continues to have a year like this. He's obviously on the hot seat going into next year, but I don't see a world where he's getting where people are talking about hot seat talk this year. It's crazy that, you know, if he asked three years ago, if Bryce Young and Trevor Lawrence would be two of the best quarterbacks in the league, I don't think anyone would ever pick that.

up like that Trevor Lawrence been dealing man Bryce young too you see you see that that Shady j p alluded to it on the college reaction show but Travis Hunter oh my snatch the life out of it was Higgins right yeah yeah too he was like I did that and he looked back at him it's just nuts oh god what was it got to pull it up bro it was that happened to me bro I I'll be getting the card that happens to you you got to pull Caleb Williams and call it a day. That happened to me. You got a scream on the ground,

grab an anchor, brother. Give me the car. That was insane to see. Hit him with a, going backwards. Look, this pick. You,

catches it. Bapa. And the other angle, too, when Travis Hunter looks back at him is just crazy. He's in his post game. People forget,

I play receiver two. Like, I got moves. When I get the ball, I'm trying to do something with it. It's like, bro, you really did something with it.

Hey, that is wild to see. See, I'm not following Travis as much as I probably should, but it seems like he's having himself a good little, good little year right now. Really dialing it in. Good sophomore year. Good sophomore season. Good sophomore season of the boy.

But the Jags in the South, like, what the hell's going on with Houston? We got the Battle of Houston and the Titans this week. Oh, and four, oh and four. Somebody. Could you imagine? Hens in a tie? Yeah, that's the most ideal situation Just tie it up

It is wild that like Houston You kind of, we talked about Titans It's like yeah, you can see him being fourth of division You know how competitive they're going to be this year But Houston do with that defense Giving up that many points every game too is what's surprising CD having 17 catches I feel like once he gets to like eight or nine

It's like hey we need to to guard this cat Yeah Hey we should probably make some sort of anything Yeah And then the last touchdown was insane. I don't know if you saw the coverage on it. He was the, I think it was Jalen Petre.

He was playing outside leverage with zero help inside. So all CD did was like run like a seven step, like quick little slant and Dack just hit him right on the break. It was like the easiest touchdown of all time. Yeah, it ain't good out in Houston right now. I can't imagine me with them corners out on an island

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Oh, like, dangue, me deem. Oh, like, right? You're saying like mid-year. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They look so out of sorts. It's terrible. I wasn't even the players are talking about how they're kind of out of sorts.

Like post-game. I saw some to it. Again, it's that, it's that X-app. I truly sometimes have no clue. You're afraid to comment on videos you see because you're like, man, I might just get God. Yeah. Yeah. This is definitely a move for Harball in the very near future of if it continues the way it has been.

like we've got to move on from this OC and McDaniels his time I don't know what's he where's he go next what's his next move just the beach man he's out man social media yeah yeah the Broncos next then the Chiefs

who would have thought the Raiders would be competing like this you love it they were good it's just I'm surprised too I'm like hell yeah boys like let's go and I love like I know they ended up losing so I'm sure Chiefs fans are having fun with that like I would be but um kubiak at halftime just saying like we're gonna win this game and jogging in like i just think of my head like bro they got just the belief going like no matter what

like hey we got to change our entire psychology about what it's like to put on the silver and black uniform like we can compete and we can beat anybody i think the raiders like what they're missing is a wide receiver yes they have the tight ends but i'm saying i think kirk had like around 25 completions only five of five or six were two wide receivers the rest were to Michael mayor Brock Bowers yeah tight end yeah like they don't have like a wide receiver threat that you're kind of scared of it was like Tucker he's a trade Tucker dude like there was a couple drops out there a couple times that Kirk did go to him towards the end of the game and either drops or a very acrobatic catches that

ended up just tipping the ground for a second but yeah did you get yourself a star studded a wide receiver out there that's where you like if you're the Raiders and you're in a position where, hey, we actually are competitive this year. Maybe it's worth before the trade deadline going and grabbing somebody. Someone that can give you a little boost on the outside. Yeah, I mean, they're three and one. Like, they are. They are up there at the top, bro.

Because who's undefeat is it just, who else is undefeating the AFC? Chiefs. Not the bills anymore. No, not the bills anymore. Seattle. No, they lost to the commanders. Oh, that's it. Chiefs.

Yeah, Chiefs. The only undefeated team in the AFC. Niners look good, bro. There's all that substation don't take them down. Really all that matters is a substation. Can they stay healthy? You see George run? George and Gallup now.

I didn't realize he was that fast. He was pulling away from safeties. He can scoot now. You can scoot. You got some of that sneaky athleticism in that body. That Achilles was moving around and just fine, dude. He's not talking about an absolute comeback, dude. And then the Giants just sitting at the top of the NFC East right now.

Just the ugliest leading team. because they are a slop fest. What did James have? Like three touchdowns, two interceptions? Like a true James Winston type of game. It's what they called the NFC Least. They used to, for sure. Cowboys back in it.

Cowboys back in it. Yeah, Cowboys back in it. What else we got to go, oh, dude. See the shirt I'm wearing? shirt you're wearing. Oh, yeah. Bud Light. Shout out Bud Light.

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have you guys noticed that the shop looks a little bit different oh yeah a little bit have you guys do you have any idea who did this no the shop looks great yeah yeah fermentation don't come Yeah, don't can't do it until 7.30. All of a sudden we get in here, it seems like a haunted house is thinking place. Like, who could have, how could this have happened? Bustle with the boys embracing Spooktober. It just seems like there's a contract here for one guy and he didn't do it the first couple of days. Guys were shitting on them and then all this happens.

It's just kind of wild, right? It's weird. Kind of crazy to see. What's the angle? Are we, is bustling? The angle is I'm trying to figure out who did this. Oh yeah, I guess Yeah, what do you want me for?

I have no clue. This is kind of crazy. Bussing with the boys. It's what Bustin with the Boys does. I guess so, man. It's just great to see this shop. Embracing the honor. That's what I'm wondering,

Scherb. Like, one of us to be like, you did it. And then you go. Listen, I'm trying to find out who did it. Like,

Sherman and I, we talked at what, 730 this morning. They're like, yo, did you do it? No, did you do this?

It's like, who did this at the shop? Yeah, it blew my mind. Yeah. Sounds like we got to find out. Maybe it was clump. Now it's a mystery.

We got to find out. We got to find out who saves Sputober. We got to find out who saves Sputober. Here we are, man. Got some callbacks here. That's like a weird spin. Bro, this, I'm just trying to figure it out. This callback is maybe the best callback we've ever had.

We got to take this as if this is the actual guy, too. Yes. GoValls 18149 on you. YouTube. Grumpy cop here. If you guys listened to the episode last week, you're a Taylor break down the entire story of Friday Night Lights with Shane Gillis. We get, you know, cops pull up on us.

We're in a parking lot, having some fun, having some good combos. But we alluded to a grumpy cop. This is grumpy cop writing in. You guys actually made my night. I had just responded to an incident with my son being attacked at another area of football game, so I wasn't in the best of moves, in the best of moods. However, after the fact. This improved my mood, especially since I look Shane in the face and said,

you look just like that comedian, not realizing till after you left that it was actually him. Either way, I appreciated your guys' cooperation. Sorry to bust up the party, laugh out loud. That is, if that is him, which I have no reason to believe it's not. When we were the pre-pro, I believed it was him. When you read that just now, I was thinking of myself, ain't no fucking way. That's the grumpy cop. You don't think so?

That's a username. What's making your senses go off? Grumpy cop here is the first start The second start is I was responding to another Another caller my son was being attacked By another foot player That's what makes me believe that it could be real So insane

Yeah, he's like why is he making that part up Not only that the ultimate username For a cop and Alcoa Tennessee is Govalls 1-8-174 Like it all lines up Listen I'm with it And he also edited that comment as well Yeah I saw that that kind of

raise my suspicion. Yeah. And so it's like, I'm going to just choose to believe that this was the grumpy cop because that's awesome. I absolutely love that. Did I fall for an internet thing?

No, no, no, no. I think just like, my sleeves. I think just like the shop wondering who did spook to him, but we had to wonder who really wrote that comment.

Not the same person. Not the same person. I don't think. Do you remember if someone said to Shane? Like, are you that comedian? I do not remember that taking place. I did not see that.

I think in the comedy, saying or I guess he had said something I don't know because two of the cops asked for photos. I was standing in like a line when he was going through all of our IDs but then he would have saw the name. That could be the bit of information that confirms it is if y'all ask

Shane, hey did the cop say you look like that comedian guy? Yeah but if the cop grumpy cop took all of our IDs he had Shane's ID so he would have looked at it and would have said Shane Gillis. Does Shane have a different legal name? Is Shane's that one comedian? Is Shane's like legal name Shane Gillis I'm guessing?

right there's no way he made that up I've never thought to my grumpy cop if you're listening right now leave a comment give us your height

and your hair color well all right and also something that we did not say on the story that we would know that it's actually

yeah maybe what cars were being driven in our group because there's two distinct things you would know that I don't think we're discussed last week

yeah shape size make model whatever you can give information wise yeah Maybe that can help. I don't know why we're investigating our comments.

He's going to respond like Rumpy copy. I don't give a fuck if you go, believe me. Yeah, exactly. Go balls. This is per August to add Augusta, 762. Also, holy fuck. I never really listened to a sit-down interview with Darius. This guy is just a guy's guy.

Definitely one of the boys. What a phenomenal pull boys. Well done, 400 episodes and getting better and better. Been here since day one. with Delaney. Nothing to dislike there. Thank you, Perengusta. That was...

Augusta. Do you think that was really him, though? Who knows at this point? I mean, Darius was a guy's guy, like everything he said, I kind of agreed with. Especially just started with holy fuck. Like, he's so surprised he's going to the comments and he'd be like, oh, my God. And starting with also. Maybe he must have had another comment, but maybe he was just like, you know, it was just coming straight from the brain.

Hey, also. Holy fuck. There's, hold on. Did grumpy club? This has to do grumpy club. He switched users? He switched users, edited.

Could have been. Sorry to bust at the party. Also, holy fuck, there is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got one here from Ross B 400. I first got introduced to the boys when you had Brennan Shelbon for the first time.

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That's the second comment. The cop comment was the first one. Changed profiles and then he's done those two comments. We're breathing in the bad air that Greenfield was talking about. Yeah. What would your son? song be at your funeral? I'd probably go,

Pity Pablo. Okay. Sharkress, man. Freak a leak. Yeah. Go Johnny Cash, God's going to cut you down. Sooner or later, he's going to cut you down. Oh, so you got vengeance in your heart when you're dead.

Yeah. And then the one song, It's been a long day without you, my friend. Just a full range all the way across the board. All moods will be hit. at Wilcoffin's funeral. Yeah. I'd like to start with,

I'd like to really know if I was dead. And I think the Halloween theme music starting at the beginning of my funeral would be great just to see if I could, you know, get there's pop out of my, just in case.

Pop out, just in case you might be alive. Oh, dude, last Friday night by Katie Perry. Because you want the vibes to be high for everybody. It's probably a top five song of all time if you really think about it.

And then I'm just going to throw it in there. Lying is the most fun of a girl can have without taking her clothes off. I panic at the disco. Why not? Why not? A fever you can't sweat out, phenomenal album. People would be like,

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We have a shout out. We have a shout out, no free shout out. Coming from our boy Mitch, the Big Man Foundation. Mitch, you want to talk a little bit about it? Think of Coach campaign? Yeah, so the Big Man Foundation show tomorrow, so today, Tuesday, October 6th is National Coaches Day. So one of my strength coach from college,

he's like the head chairman of the Big Man Foundation. And what this does is it's a foundation to help coaches who have been affected by tragedy. So like, I don't know if like cancer or like it's freak accident kind of thing, this foundation will go in and like say like handicap a house to help with whatever situation it may be. Coach Eccler is involved. Lannning is about it. Ben Newman.

Ben Newman is in it. And also Stretch is like good buddies with the CEO of the foundation. Shut out stretch. So I think something that would be super quick and easy for us to do Just kind of like shout out of coach Well, we all can just super quick of like That it's affected you in a positive way and like kind of thank you Well since X part of it shout out to coach Eccler

Coach X always made a big big impact in my life He was when I went through my first surgery with my labrum And was out for like what six months whatever Like not having family up in Nebraska like Eck allowed me to like stay at his house and him and his wife, Barbie, shout out Barbie, like they helped take care of the boy. Another one, Coach Basaccio,

when my mother passed away, Coach Basacchi was there that night, giving me a shoulder to lean on, letting me, hey, go home, stay with your family, be with your family. So those are two coaches. I would give massive shoutouts to. Two for me, I would go, obviously Charlie Regal, Shepperell head coach in 2008 and 9 when I was there. Without him, I would not have made it to the NFL.

I would not have got a scholarship offer. I was playing D-Tackle and so he definitely helped hubbed me out there and it was a massive help without him I would not have made it to college or anything and then another one

Russ Grimm Hall of Fame inductee he was my old line coach with Mike Malarkey the I think my third fourth third and fourth year one of the best coaches

ever had simplified the game for me really I took massive steps in my career with him because he was he just made it all like the don't overthink it this is what you got to do, just go out and do it. Like he was very like kiss method with him

to where you look at this big screen of like you have to understand safeties and all these linebacker things. And I didn't know all of that. I would over-analize and have like paralysis by analysis. But once he like simplified the game for me, the speed and everything was just way better. So shout out Russ Grimm.

Shout out Russ Grimm. Shout out the, um, shout out the big man foundation. Yeah. There are multiple ways to take part. Players, parents and fans think a coach by name. You can post a photo or a message. about a coach who made a big difference in your life. Use the hashtag National Coaches Day

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and all that stuff. But I think it's a pretty cool, pretty cool cause. And we've all been affected by coaches, all playing sports and stuff growing up. Absolutely. And if nothing else, go thank one of your coaches today. Say, thank you, man. Can I give a quick shot? I actually met a coach, high school football coach this weekend.

First time ever in Nashville, randomly downtown before I was going to a concert from Fort Myers, Florida. His name's Coach Baz. But we start talking about life. And he's asked me what I do. I explain, you know, busting with the boys. He's like, dude, ROC loves you guys. He starts freaking out.

We all become best buddies. I told him we should sit him some merch and stuff. And I actually just got a text from yesterday morning. Kind of reminded me of it. But shout out Coach Baz and the Green Waves. There's three and three right now. We've got a gritty game coming up this weekend. So hopefully the boys are dialed in.

But shout out Coach Baz. I wish I knew the OC's name. But I assume he's listening. So shout out the Green Wave. Shout out the Green Wave. And just for frequently asked questions. It doesn't have to be a football coach, I'm assuming. It can be any coach that you've kind of had.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a very special guest today. This individual, he's participated in 13 Iron Man competitions, over 120 races. He's a USA triathlon, top ranked athlete in his age group, graduated at 20 years old from college, did not, chose not to go to medical school, but was still accepted by six schools for medical school. But that's not why this is a special guest. Will Compton and I, when we first met in 2018,

when we were at the Tennessee Titans, one of the things that we bonded over in the kitchen while we're eating breakfast was podcast. And one of the big podcasts we bonded over was biohacking and learning about that 1%. An individual, that we would look to all the time for sauna regiments, cold tub regiments,

that one percent that you chase every single day in a athletic sport. Will and I were chasing all by the name of this man named Ben Greenfield. And finally, after seven years, this individual was on the bus for the first time. Please give him a round of applause. Wow.

To one of our goats. I did not know. I was a breakfast companion. Dude, you were part of the breakfast club. Amazing, man. Yeah. It was, we would talk about your stuff all the time because we'd listen to your pod.

Like, there's no nine-year career. a Willie C without Ben Greenfield. You were, I was heavy on you in like 2014-15. I started to listen to you like I heard you on Rogan. You're talking about all this stuff you did for testosterone. I know that was kind of a viral moment for you because that was like in men's health magazine, all the different things you did. Yeah, it was like testosterone, male sex help.

Yeah, yeah, like Dick pills at a gas station injecting stem cell in you. Wacking stuff, yeah. Red light therapy. But you brought up BPC 157, bro. Yeah. Which wasn't on it. I'm listening to you. Way back in the day.

Way back in the day. Like I remember writing an article called the Wolverine stack. Yes. TB 500 and BPC. Yeah. And now now it's definitely a thing. Because when anybody hits me up about, hey, BPC 157 or whether it's TB 500, I have that article bookmark. And I just send it to them because I can't just read this article.

Yeah. And then you'll know. But I had a. It's probably pretty outdated article. I think it's literally 16 years old. It never. It never keeps a ballroom. So that's good to have 10 years later.

But I'm listening to you and I'm just taking you kind of for your word. Like I, you know, I researched a couple of things, but you're like BPC, they're not, it's not on the USADA list yet, all these things. And so I'm going to, I'll just say my circle and I'm getting BPC to where I would have like a grade one hamstring or any softish injury that I would have. And I would just basically do your method. And I'm like anywhere I went, like whether I was at a PA event in Vegas and somebody's talking about injury stuff.

I'm like, hey, let me talk to you about BPC 157 because now it is on the U-Sada list. But, dude, I was heavy. I want to say we might even spoke back then in 2015 or 16. That we might have. That TB 500, GHK copper peptide. There's like the trilogy now for injuries. And then they work pretty well.

I mean, often in like that, so really probably in that article, I said some like 200 or 300 micrograms. I've talked to some athletes now who are using up to like 20 migs. Yeah. If you're listening to your podcast, like you would talk about. Yeah. like an acute injury. Yeah. Really? Because you'd go away like twice a day. Like if again, I would like listen to your pot and you talk about how often you can actually do it. I would do whatever you were

saying. Whether it's the sauna cold tub like Taylor and I would have our accountability Friday. Once a week, we would have accountability sessions where we would do your like HGH unlock where you do 30 minutes to sauna air dry 30 minutes back in the sauna finish with a cold shower or cold tub. And it was that's where like we had our accountability situation where Sunday recovery day in Yeah, so we go, like, obviously the season is, is an animal. And you get to these points where like you should recover, but you kind of just want to sleep and put your legs up. And we would, like, one of us will be faltering. And then they would be like, we got to get it done. Let's just go do it. And we get it done at the facility together. That's like the whole thing with bio,

so, so, you know, biohacking, I think has kind of a bad rap because it's a little, it's a little weird. Like it's a little wacky people. You know, put collagen in your lasagna and butter in your coffee and new, you know, coffee enumas and laser lights up your nose and you're going to go break Olympic records. And that's kind of like the dark side that I think is legitimate to laugh at. But then I think the strongest things you can draw out of the biohacking industry are amplifying recovery, speeding up recovery. Whether it's like PMF or red light or oxygen or peptides or anything else, they do help the body bounce back faster. They're not going to appreciably increase VO2 max. And you see other things in the biohacking industry.

Like this is a machine and you're going to get a two hour workout. out in four minutes by strapping all this stuff to yourself. At the end of the day, you got to kind of put in the work, blood, sweat and tears. But then like the recovery stuff, a lot of the things that come out of the biohacking industry, that's where they really move the dial. When did you realize, like, this is the path you want to go down in life? Because as I just read off, the one year that we were giving, like, you were accepted to go to medical schools.

There's been obviously a lot of books and literature that's come out now about how North America medicine works and how they don't, they like just try to fix acute issues. as opposed to focusing the entire body. And it seems like guys like yourself, Gary Breka, I forget the lady who wrote Limitless, what her name is, but she was a Stanford grad. I think Jim Quick has a book called Limitless. Maybe it's not limitless.

But there was a lady that was like top of her class. She was a graduate student who was going to be a surgeon. And she decided to get out the last minute because she realized like, oh, the medical system is not where it needs to be. But all that being super long, it's all reactive. Yeah.

Yeah, preventive. Where did you, when did you realize like this is your passion this is the path you want to go down because this is not like a path that you can like kind of dip in and dip out of like people are going to judge you for the way you look with the research you put out there like how like it's kind of like Goggins in the way that that Goggins you want to be the badest man on earth like you can't like to cry me a river it's a hard job being an influencer online it's so hard but where was this on right yeah hair slicked back um so I had no interest in any

of this stuff growing up I saw I was homeschooled I was a nerd I was like played by a I played a ton of chess, read a lot of fantasy fiction. I played tennis. That was my main sport in high school. And then I walked under the college tennis team and that kind of got me into the world of exercise science, just basically studying up on kinesiology and biomechanics and all the things that a lot of the student athletes were studying that I just chose that major just because I was immersed in athletics by that point.

And the medicine piece was interesting to me because I've always been like a tinker or like figuring out, you know, how deep of a dive can you take into certain aspects, including like physiology, biomechanics, biology. So I thought that going into a career in orthopod or sports medicine would be pretty cool. Along the way, I got a gig after I graduated with my master's degree in hip and knee surgical sales. And it was like nine months in that where I kind of became a little bit disillusioned. Because up until that point through college, I had been working as a strength conditioning intern, had my strength conditioning certification. It was a personal trainer working at a couple different facilities, managing the wellness facility at Idaho, doing nutrition coaching.

And I was happy as a clam doing all that stuff. But like in the personal training industry, it's considered kind of a transient career, right? Like it's something that at least back at that time, you kind of do it as a stepping stone to tell you get a real job. So I thought the medicine would be a good thing to go into. And kind of like you were just alluding to, like I became kind of disillusioned with the whole just like modern allopathic medicine. insurance, kind of like broken aspects of the preventive therapy part. And within nine months, I quit that job and got right back into training. But into training, like using a lot more of these cutting edge scientific principles that I picked up along the way. You know, doing premed,

you're an O-chem and biochem and microbiology and anatomy and physiology. And then I already had my studies in biomechanics. So I opened up a sports performance center and we were doing a lot of stuff like early on. before people were doing it. Like we had one of the first PRP machines where we were, because I had a physician on staffs. We were spinning blood, concentrating the platelet-rich plasma, and then injecting that back in for conditions like tennis elbow, for example. We had an indirect calrimatur.

You guys probably worn these before. It's like a mask and you can do graded exercise tests on it for VO2 calculations. Figure out how much oxygen you're consuming, how much carbon dioxide are you producing, and then that lets you calculate how many carbs, how much fat that you're actually burnings. You can not only get like some idea of nutrition replenishment, but also your V-O-2 max. Is it the one where like your heart rate and your air will tell the machine like when you've gone from like you're burning carbs to now you're burning fat?

Yeah, you cross two thresholds. The V-O-2, yeah. The V-O-2 test that we go. They'll be like, hey, 145 to 155 is like your zone two cardio where you're burning more fat than carbs. People talk about the fat burning zone. And so typically if you're doing that test, it's a graded exercise protocol. And you reach two peaks. you reach one peak where you're at maximum fat burning.

And that's just based on the total amount of calories you're burning, what percentage is coming from fat. And then you reach a certain point where you get to your anaerobic threshold, where you're producing more lactic acid than you can actually buffer. And then you reach that final point where you're almost falling off the back of the treadmill or your legs are just turning to jelly on the bike. And that's where oxygen consumption peaks out. And that's your VO2 max.

You can get a lot of interesting value from those tests, especially like for me, after tennis, I got into Iron Man Triathlon and endurance. racing and also course racing. So a lot of this stuff for a sport that has a lot of attrition in terms of like if you don't manage your heart rate properly, you're going to be dropping out pretty soon. That stuff came in really handy for that. And then we were doing like high speed video camera analysis of gate. We had underwater cameras for swimming. So I spent five years running that facility and that's what kind of got me into like the whole realm of, you know, what are the cool

tools that you can use to get more out of the body. And, you know, that's when I got interested in things like, you know, PMF, red light and hyperbaric and, you know, a lot of the things that persist to this day. I remember when I was at a candlewood. It's like in my room, I'd have red light everywhere. For training camp, I had like that, whatever mattress you would advertise for with like pumping the cold water in there. I had the key on coffee.

Oh, the hot, what were those boots called? The hot, cold boots, you mean? No, not the boots. Like a mattress. These are the sheets, right? Yeah, like you put it on. You put it on, you put it on. You mean like the sleep toppers, like the sleep cooler.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the eight sleep type of stuff. I had one of those too. I thought I thought it was much of bullshit. On plug and all the, you know, electricity around so you can sleep better. Like the original version, that, like the one I had, it was literally like an AC unit hooked up to a giant tube that you kind of like... Yes, I might have the same one. Her side of the bed and just like pump the air and it's like so loud when it's funneling in. It's like, hey, the weighted blanket.

Dude, I'm, I still mess with the weighted blanket to this day. And then eventually they switch the waters. You can do cold water. And now I'll use one called the Orion and like they're super. tricked out now they got like my side and her side and it tracks your your sleep during the night and actually adjust the temperature based on which sleep cycles you're in and you're warm as you weigh I think eight sleep does a lot of the same things uh but yeah they've come a long ways and they work do they actually sucks when you travel and you don't have it and if I was really on top I don't like to

check bags when I travel but yeah I mean it's a game changer for sleep the uh you you brought up like getting interested in all like like what's real what's not like what was the first thing you kind of dove into. And how long did it take you to be like, oh, this is a, this is a bunch of bullshit. Yeah. Because there's a lot of snake oils and witchcraft that takes place in this like

expertise. Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of stuff that's overpriced. There's a lot of stuff that had like pretty decent results in rodent models at massive doses that don't even translate to humans at all. So yeah, there's a lot of headlines that don't have a lot of, a lot of firepower behind him.

But I would say probably one of the first things that was kind of like weird that I got into was red light. just like what's this what's this actually doing when you take the specific concentrations of light that you get from sunlight which is great for you but then concentrate a lot more of it than you normally get from the sun like like enough to where you'd have to stay out in the sun to burn to get that much infrared or near or far amid infrared or red light and so I think my first one was a panel and I'd just stand in front of it. Those little light. Yeah, yeah. And there was a little bit on PubMed on this so-called like photo bio-module. science and what's it due to collagen and elastin and like joking aside even like stimulating areas of mitochondria that you shine it on like the the late excels and the testes was one that I talked about oh yeah metal health thing portal one yeah for testosterone

I still I really did that last yeah it's a specific way it tuck it down there yeah um and then uh the the number of different red light therapy devices that started popping up at that point was crazy. There's like the helmets to stimulate the mitochondria in the scalp and for blood flow and for hair. And then the, you know, all the way down and out to the full body beds. I mean, I have a bed at home. It's like 10 different wavelengths and it's got PMF underneath it and you're breathing hydrogen while you're in there. And there's more and more research coming out on on like what it actually does. And specifically like people talk about beauty and collagen and elastin and hair. But the main thing, especially from like a like a performance or recovery standpoint,

is it's actually hitting a certain protein, like those photon packets of light are hitting a certain protein in your electron transport chain, which is responsible for making your ATP and basically speeding up the motor of that protein. And then a couple of months ago, a new study came out that showed that it's not just speeding up, but different wavelengths of light because it's like in the 600-ish nanometer, that's the unit that it's measured in nanometers up to about like 800 and 10 to 850-ish nanometers, like different wavelengths along those spectrum both slow it down and and speed it up. So it's almost like kind of like modulating how much energy your mitochondria are putting out.

And so if you're using something that's got a lot of those different wavelengths in it, it's kind of like you're tweaking the mitochondria as you stand in front of it to speed up or slow down. And then you get into like the super weird stuff where you can actually like eat stuff, like take supplements that help the body to absorb even more photons. So that's where you see things like methylene blue or she leggeet or like blue green algae or all these things that are that are pigmented. Because if you have pigmented compounds in your bloodstream, basically you're able to absorb the light.

Those help to split the light and produce more electrons to go into electron transport chain. So it's super funky. It's kind of like nature built this big light in the sky that does a lot of cool shit. And then you can take that into your training facility or your recovery room or wherever else and concentrate that for the specific wavelengths that actually work.

And now there's tons of devices out of China and they all have varying power and really the difference between all of them is like how powerful is it dictates how long you actually got to stand in front of it or put it somewhere to get the benefits. Something tells me you were a damn good chess player. I don't even remember.

He breaks this stuff down and I bet this dude was operating on the chest. I think that chest does burn a lot of brain glucose. Like there was actually a study where they showed like people can lower their blood glucose playing chest, yeah. Like with this red light and all the things you just said, like you said, all these new

products are coming out. Like, how does an individual, if I'm sitting here and I'm listening to this podcast, I'm okay, I wanted to get into red light. How does, like, someone who knows nothing about biohacking look into what's real and what is not real? Like, how do you differentiate the two? Because there are so many different brands now that are out there doing it. And there are all these crazy beds, like Breka's got that $150,000, like bed.

you lay on it and it's red light, but it also grounds for P, PINF and all that stuff. And then some you can look into it because it's good for your eyes. The other ones, you have to put the glasses on. Like, how do you differentiate what's real and what's not? Yeah.

I think, I think the best thing to do is go to the Instagram page of whatever influencer that you're following for advice and just kind of like size up how they look. And that's, that's the pretty, pretty scientifically proven way to figure out if something's right or wrong. So I'm looking at someone's physique and you're like, hell, yeah,

I don't look like that. I don't know. I'm trying to look like a beast right now. You know, if you look at any of the, let's say like the technologies or even the peptides that you'll find increasingly recommended now, you can usually go to PubMed, for example, and look at the actual mechanism of action, what's been studied, what it's been indicated for, and now with LLMs, you could feed those same studies into Clod or GPT and say like, hey, I'm interested. interested in this, what do these studies actually say as far as the actual dosage, the actual, the actual, you know, model that it was used on like human, fruit, fly, yeast, fungus, you know, rat, whatever. So, you know, for example, yesterday I was looking at this compound that I heard another strength conditioning coach say was great for VO2 Max. It's called myoenocetol tripyrophosphate.

It's like this compound that's supposed to allow oxygen to. to basically more readily dissociate from hemoglobin. So you get more oxygen to red blood cells. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So I found a few websites that sell it. It's one of those sold for human research-only type of compounds. And then I did what I usually do with a lot of this stuff. I pulled up the actual research to see, okay, so what's the actual mostly rodent research

that's been done on this stuff translate when it comes to human dosages? And it was like four to five grams. And if you look at most of the capsules being sold on these websites, they're like 50, 200, milligrams, right? So you could, you could buy like a $80 bottle of 100 milligram capsules and go through the entire thing in like a week and a half or two to get the supposed benefits of this supplement. And you see that a lot, like in terms of the actual dosage sounding like it might work. And then once you do the translation to humans, it's just completely beyond what you'd ever even be able to digest or purchase. And then when it comes to like the technologies, like,

beyond red light you could look at for example PMF pulsed electromagnetic field therapy which is kind of like an upgraded version of earthing or grounding where you're actually laying on a mat you guys use these before like coils mats

there's even whole beds made out of it and it causes a contraction like a magnetic frequency that actually opens up cell membranes and these ion channels actually get more nutrients and minerals delivered into the cell when you're laying on the mat and you see increased blood flow. If you go and look at PMF on something like PubMed, you see some things.

It's getting a little creepy and you. We got a fog machine going. Sorry, that's why I laugh. This is a haunted house in this shop right now. Cue the piano. Oh, I heard something going. Then Sherm got up. This is clearly our boss machine.

I'm going to just wait for the actors to come back. It's scary. I was looking at Will's camera and just fog. We have like this whole shop is now a hard house. We had it like be right before you got here. Trust me. I notice. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm glad you observed that. Yeah. So PMF, if you go look at it on PubMed, you can actually find studies where, you know, human tissue exposed for like 20 to 40 minutes on PMF.

You see things like increase in stem cell mobilization, increase in blood flow, decrease in what's called red blood cell clumping. And like subjectively, when I use it, it's fantastic for soreness, for if you throw out your low back, for recovering more quickly. I have one that's like underneath a massage table. So I get a massage one. laying on top of it. But I'm usually going to PubMed looking at what's actually going on mechanistically. And then there's like another kind of little nuance to this. Like let's take peptides, for example. You know, there's been a bunch of meetings in Washington, D.C. now about which peptides are going to be allowed to be on the bulk list. They could be compounded by a pharmacy and legally sold or prescribed by a physician or even used by a pharmaceutical company. And there was a ton of data presented at those

meetings in DC, and there wasn't a lot of data that would say something like, oh, BPC 157 helps a knee injury heal faster, or, you know, TB 500 is going to fix up Achilles tendonitis, you know, four weeks faster than you might get from normal PT protocol. But there were literally like hundreds of thousands of case studies of peptide use that were presented based on data that physicians have from having administered peptides with a shockingly low number of adverse events. So with something like peptides, we know, okay, so here's how it should work, right? With stuff like PPC 157, more blood flow to tissue. And we know that there's a significant lack of adverse events.

Like people don't seem to be getting hurt by it, but there's not really any studies that actually, you know, take a group that's whatever got like an ACL injury and put them on a 12-week PPC protocol and another on a compare protocol and another control group and actually shown that it actually works. So it just takes a lot of. digging and then just putting on your propeller hat and seeing okay so what's the science actually say about this and again like LLMs can speed that up a little bit like you can feed stuff into a language model now and figure out okay so is there actual science behind this what's the headline say I mean you can apply it to anything yeah because it usually takes like what like 20 years for the science to catch up to something it could be it takes a while it takes a while yeah and especially in nutrition like there's a ton of nuance because there's like the carnivore diet right

And then there's a whole like red meat causes cancer side of things. And so then people extrapolate that to say. So if you're on the carnivore diet, you might get more protein and quite autoimmune issues, but then you're going to increase your risk of colon cancer because you're eating higher intake of processed red meat. And then you look at the red meat studies and they really don't break out some of the food fee stuff, right? Like was it grass fed versus grass finished beef versus like ultra processed beef sticks from 7-Eleven?

You know, were these people who were eating a high amount of meat kind of fitting into the category of the type of person who normally eats a lot of meat, which is just like not eating a lot of vegetables, you know, drinking a lot of beer, staying out late, whatever, just because there's like this, this general idea that people who are like more vegan or a little bit more hippy or shopping at whole foods or whatever are taking better care of their bodies, whereas the people are eating all the meat maybe aren't doing so much of that. And so there's just like all these nuances that you have to look at when you take a step of consideration. What is your stance on the carnivore diet? Um, well, I tried it.

I had that guy, you've seen Paul Saladino. He's like one of the dudes who really made it popular early in the day. He's a doctor. I think he was in Costa Rica now. So he came out to my house. Like, like, I think he'd done like one podcast before. I think he did Mark Bell's podcast. And then he came up to my house and he stayed there for a few days and he would only eat meat.

And he was very specific. Like, I would get ready to make steak. And he would be like, over my shoulder. He's like, don't put anything on my steak. Like salt. Salt was allowed. He had me like boil. the steak because he didn't even want it like on the stove top because of the carcinogens from the charing of the meat or whatever.

And so it like it was extreme his version of it. But then I interviewed him for like two and a half hours. And by the end of the interview, he had me convinced that it was worth trying just to like see what happened. So I spent 12 weeks on a strict carnivore diet. Like a strict like meticulous like his. Meat, salt. I had some spices. I think I had a little bit of like hot sauce that I was using just because I had to dress. rest it up a little bit. But beyond that, I not only did it, but I did it the right way, meaning like nose to tail. So I wasn't just eating massive amounts of muscle meat, which can be an issue because that's super high in an amino acid called methionine,

and very low in an amino acid called glycine. And if you're methyanine, the glycine ratio is really high, that can have impacts for lifespan. You're basically in a constant state of anabolism. So that's why a properly comprised carnivore diet, you would be eating like liver, heart, kidney, maybe like some of the thymus and the sweet breads, bone marrow, bone broth, and then the muscle meat and the fat. Like that's, that's how you would do it. And that's how I did it. And I felt great on the diet. Like there's, there's a few initial days where your microbiome is reinventing itself because you're not getting the same type of fiber or the same type of like polyphenols and the type of things that would feed your gut that you're getting from plants.

So a lot of people will get like diarrhea, you know, just weird bowel movements and kind of feel off for a few days. And then once you stabilize, like, it's some pretty clean energy. You recover faster. It's obviously pretty anabolic just based on the amount of muscle that you're eating. And for people who have a reaction to the natural plant defense mechanisms that are in plants, I think it's a good option as like a short-term healing diet for the gut. Because if you look at plants, they don't have teeth and claws and hooves and nails and antlers and all these things to protect them. So, themselves. So they produce compounds like gluten and, you know, other forms of like lectins and phytic acid inhibitors and, you know, all these things that in people who have a sensitive

gut can kind of do a number on the gut. And there's two ways around that. One is you soak and you sprout and you ferment and you slow prepare all the plants so that you're actually nukeing a lot of these digestive issues or you just say, screw it. I'm just going to just eat me. And then when you shift to just eating me, you're basically giving your gut a break from all of those mild stressors, even just something like roughage and fiber that might be causing issues in somebody who has a compromised gut. But then long term, like after you've done that for like, let's say typically it'd be like 12, 16 weeks around in there for the gut to actually heal itself. Not eating plants, seeds, nuts, like anything that's not technically allowed on a carnivore diet, even like honey, berries, whatever, for the rest of your life is super hard to do. like you can never go out to an Italian restaurant.

You're like the asshole at the party who's eating all the meat, you know, that nobody else gets. And like I feel like they're just like, like we love to eat at our house. My wife's a great cook. My son's cook. I like to cook. There's such like a cornucopia of food that you could make and enjoy on planet Earth that then if you just let you limit yourself to only meat, you're just kind of missing out on. So there's some people like the, you know, the Jordan Peterson family who I guess have like severe autoimmune issues.

And like from what I understand like that family mostly just eats meat because they have such a strong reaction to plants but it's pretty rare that somebody just like can't eat any plants at all. Gun to my head if I had to follow like a like a carnivore diet though like and it was like a properly comprised like nose to tail carnivore diet.

You could do it for the rest of your life without any significant issues. Yeah. Because I mean like salt maybe. You need some electrolytes. You need water. The gut can get by on less fiber than you'd think.

And you are getting some elements of fiber here and there in the meat, just not as much as you normally get. The microbiome, if you're already doing things like going outside and living an active lifestyle, you're going to get exposed to some things beyond just like you'd get from probiotics and plants. So you could do it. It's just hard.

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Yeah So what has to happen in your mind For you to be like Okay I'm gonna give this 12 weeks Like you obviously had the guy Come on your podcast Yeah, he talks you in it for two hours. Yeah.

But there's, I'm sure you can go on your algorithm, my algorithm, any of ours, and be like, this is the new hip, cool thing to do. Yeah. Clearly you're not going to be able to do all those things. Yep. So what, like, what, what things have to check the box for you to be like, okay, I'll go in and give us a try and see for myself? I mean, the first thing authentically is I just have to be like interested in it.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, is, like, I get, I don't know about you guys, but just being in like the podcaster, you know, influencer-ish type of industry, you get sent so many things. to try. Like I've got, I'll get home from this trip and just have boxes and boxes outside my front door. And I'm not going to try it all. I'm not going to test it all. But if there's something I'm really interested in, I will legitimately give it a try after I've looked into the research behind it to see if it's safe. And that, and that's not just like whatever, some red light helmet

that might arrive at the house to see if it does anything for for hair growth, for example. That's everything, you know, down, down to the just the crazy shit, you know, gene therapy and human plasma replacement, blood filtration. I mean, I've done a lot of this stuff. And beyond whether or not I'm interested in it and whether or not it actually seems to have some amount of science behind it, like, is it actually hurting anybody? Yeah. Because there's weird myths that get around, especially in the whole, like, one, you know, dark corner of the whole biohacking industry is like the longevity, anti-aging, transhumanism type of sector. And in that, people, you know, think that folks are like using blood boys, you know, like harvesting plasma from.

Little kids and just doing all this crazy stuff. I don't think a lot of that stuff happens behind the scenes. I've never come across it. But I will look at something and make sure that, you know, like if I, like I did human plasma replacement a couple times where I'm literally getting like 10 IV bags of 18 to 24 year old healthy human donor plasma infused into my body as kind of like an oil change. And beforehand I looked into where this stuff, where's this stuff coming from. I mean, you know, are there like caves where people are chained to the wall?

They're just like harvesting this. It turns out these are most things like medical students and stuff who are getting paid to donate their plasma. So yeah. Yeah. But I mean like even like even like even I know this controversial, but you know like stem cells. Right. When I first got into stem cells, I was like I don't know where these come from.

Like this is like aborted babies or something like that. So you know, I would ask myself those questions and look into it. And you know, just basically ask is somebody else getting hurt, you know, by me doing this. But beyond that, if it's safe, if I'm interested in it. it if it seems to have some efficacy as far as like the mechanism of action behind it. I like to try all of this stuff. Like that's kind of how I got into this was racing triathlon all over the world. You know, I was doing Iron Man for years.

And I was just basically an immersive journalist. Mostly just like trying out, oh, this mix of multidextrin and fructose as an energy dealt during the workout or, you know, as part of the ketone study where they had a certain number of athletes follow a high fat, ketotic-based diet for 12 months to see if the body can become a fat-burning machine. And, you know, a lot of this stuff I was just trying out along the way while I was racing and I was writing about it. Like I was a blogger and I would get paid to write articles and write for magazines. And a big part of like what I was known for was I would just like try a bunch of shit. Like there was one race. I think this was half Iron Man World Championships in Vegas where

I don't even know if the magazine is published anymore, but this magazine called Lava Magazine. They wanted to know like, could you actually see performance improvements by using all the different body cooling mechanisms that are out there. So kind of similar ideas as the cooling mattress that you could sleep on. But there's like xylitol infused arm sleeves and hats that have different cooling fabrics in them and like super lightweight ice vests that you can use. And like, versions of the palm cooling device that was developed at Stanford to like cool what are called the anastomosis in the in the feet and so or in the hands and sometimes the feet to like cool the body as it goes into the palm. Then you got cold blood coming back into your body. And I tested

all this stuff during the race just to see like how low you could keep the core temperature during an event that at that point was in like 115 degrees Fahrenheit and and it actually worked pretty well like my body temperature stayed super low throughout an entire race where you're redlining in the heat but I would do a lot of stuff like that where I just like try shit out right about it you know and so yeah I've always kind of been into into testing stuff it what's one thing that or what's something that you've been super interested in and you were putting your stock in it that then you felt like was a waste of time when you got done. I get that question a lot. Like, what was the one that like super messed you up or ate a hole in

your skin or whatever? There hasn't been a whole lot of failures that come to mind. I mean, I wish I had a sexy story about something that was just like a total waste of time or didn't go right. There's been things where I started to do them and then step back. I'm like, why the hell I'm even doing this? Like the devices that infuse water with the special frequencies of certain molecules. So there, it's this whole film called infopathy with the idea that like water can carry information. And so if you subject water to like certain frequencies or sound waves or light waves and those frequencies mimic the same pattern as a certain compound like caffeine or melatonin or you know, Viagra or whatever, you can infuse the water with that and then like

drink the water instead of taking the compound. And so I had these devices I was messing around with for a while. You'd like, you, like, pull up the molecular frequency on the database of the computer. And then there's like a cable coming out of the computer and the water sitting on the, and I infuse the water and you drink the water. And I got like a month through that. I'm like, why the hell am I not just like having a cup of coffee? Why am I like infusing the water with the frequency of caffeine, which is kind of like weaker anyways than drinking the actual coffee? So stuff like that where it's like, okay, so this is cool if it works.

But then at the same time, like it's so much easier. You're just like, okay, I might be a little too far gone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't even want to infuse this water with the frequency of steak. Like, I want to have a steak. Yeah. Your kid comes in and says something.

They walk off and you're like, yeah, I am kind of out there right now. What you doing, Dad? Just making water. Just making my meal water right now. Like, what the fuck am I doing right? Making Thanksgiving dinner with this water. It's jug. It is so interesting, like, all the biohacking stuff because there's like so many layers.

Like at some point in high school, you realize like, oh, fast food's not good for you. So I'll have chicken, but then it's like any kind of chicken. Then it's like, oh, fried chicken's not good for you? Okay, I'll just put some sauces on. Then you realize right. And then like level, level, level. And then you're making your own sourdough bread at home for the bun and getting your organic heirloom. She feeds it every other night.

And I'm like, yeah, sourdose damn good. But you have to feed this thing? It's just, it's just wild. There are like, who's the guy that spends like millions of dollars a year on his longevity? And he's like the body of like a 25 room. Brian Johnson? Yeah. Yeah.

What like I guess without going at Brian Johnson like what like how far is too far? Because like what is the goal yeah of your mission is is your mission to give people Right here are some things you can use because there is a point where it's like I do the PMF I do red light every single day I try six hour elaborate four times a week morning routine. Yeah, it's like we have it's like at what point are we like you got to live Yeah otherwise like what's the point of having a pulse But also like here's some here are some things and what he does it's like I love that there is an individual out there in the world that has made the decision, I'm going to see how far I can take this. Because then I can watch and just be like, yeah, that's crazy.

Like a pioneer. Yeah. And I think a lot of that stuff, I mean, yeah, it's all like N equals one anecdotal, how much of it is going to apply to like all the other males out there with different genetics. But for the most part, like the information is good. And so is just the general, putting the general idea out there of like trying things. Like, well, there's no actual science that shows that Sona can remove microplastics from the body. But I'm going to do it anyways and do like a pre and post blood or urine tests for microplastics. plastics and I think he showed that it moved the dial, which is surprising because technically

a plastic's like too big to pass through a sweat gland, but for some reason it actually worked. When I look at it, it's like, yeah, there's a paradox of spending a lot of time trying to live a long time and then all the extra hours that you get trying to live a long time are trying to live a long time. You're just like spending your life cold and hungry and the beadleless inside some cryotherapy chamber somewhere. And then there's also the idea that like you need a good balance of health span and lifespan, like in order to be as impactful as you can and to be able to play the sports that you want, climb the mountains that you want to climb and do the things that you want to do up to a reasonable age. But then you can get to a point where you're spending all of

your time doing that stuff. Like, like, you can get to the point where you're just in full on monk mode with your life. And the only thing that you're preparing for is to prepare. Like, like, when you get up in the morning, all you're trying to do is just like live as long as possible. without actually going out and using the body and the brain that you're working on to truly live. I mean, I just got out of the mountains three days ago. And I was chasing elk up and down hills for 12 hours a day. Like me and my son were rucking probably 50 miles, we were sleeping four hours a night. Like, we were out and it was hard shit.

And the workouts that I was doing for the past two months leading up to that was like, you know, 60 to 80 pound rucks up the mountain behind our house and a lot of like lateral work for the glute meads because I know my back hurts with the backpack if I don't train that. And, you know, a lot of like grip strength work for carrying and a lot of shooting the bow. And so that's an example of training with intentions that you can actually go out and live life. And then there's like biohacking with the intention to just be around, right? For 150 or 180 or 200 years, just like connected to tubes or whatever that looks like. And, you know, I joke sometimes about I got this from my pastor who,

was talking about longevity and transhumanism. He's like, yeah, Ghalom lived a long time, you know, from Lord of the Rings, but it's like, that's not necessarily what you want to be. Just like someone will gobble him, just like living under a rock and, you know, peering up covered in mud, just like, yo, I'm out here longer than you guys. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, like, I personally just want to be able to like hang out with my grandkids and do things like, you know, hunt with my sons up to an older age and be able to, you know, play sports and just enjoy life and have a body that feels good doing it. And like I was saying earlier, a lot of the biohacking stuff, like for me, it just helps me recover faster

and heal up injuries faster and just feel better on the day to day. Did you ever catch yourself like at a year or a couple years span along the way of like having like a conversation with yourself on being so into the longevity, health 3.0 stuff that you're almost like robbing your own life. Of like being in the moment of like, yeah, well, I am putting so much into work and so much into stuff that I'm not enjoying. Yeah. Everything that I have worked for.

Yeah. I actually just threw me a softball. I just came up a whole film about this. Like there's a film that hit Apple and Amazon TV a couple of weeks ago called Boundness, the man who became human. And it's the story of me taking all of this stuff, like all of the Iron Man Triathlons and building my business and doing all like the magazines and the speeches and the biohacking and the longevity and climbing the completely wrong-ass

mountain and feeling as though the fulfillment that I was searching, was going to come with the power and the glory and the fame and the longevity and the money and everything that comes from climbing that mountain and realizing after hitting rock bottom and also getting, you know, almost getting divorced for my wife, that like that's not where true happiness lies. Like a lot of that stuff, that's like the icing on the cake, right? That can make you feel good. But if that's where your identity is, right? Like if that's where your fulfillment is coming from, like how elaborate is your morning routine and how good is your aging score and how slow rate are your telomeres shortening, then, you know, at the end of the day,

like, you are going to die. Like, like, and you'll just be like pouring that stuff in trying desperately to grasp at the straws of life and then realize at the end of the day, like, what was I doing the whole time versus being with my family, being with my community, like having kids. It's like the way I think about it is there's like this seeming and growing obsession beyond just looks maxing with the idea of like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, self-preservation, right? Self-preservation. Like, how can I just, like, take care of myself so I can be around as long as possible and look as young as possible for as long as possible? And that kind of

flies in the face of how human beings have thought for a long time before we were able to do all this stuff. And that's generational preservation. We're like, how can I create cool shit and have kids and teach them stories and teach them lessons and they're going to carry on my legacy after me? and, you know, write memoirs and autobiographies and, like, take my life and leave my stamp on the world rather than than just trying to do, you know, what a lot of Silicon Valley billionaires and, like, and tech heads are doing now because they feel like they're able to, like, instead of self-preservation or instead of generational preservation, why not just preserve myself and just, like, stick around as long as possible. And I think, I think it's a little empty at the end of the day. Yeah. So you got to film, you got to film out on the, you said on Apple? Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. When are this? Just came out two weeks ago. Oh, there we go. Let's go.

Natural promo. There we go. Yeah. So, Zach Ephron is actually super into this whole, like, biohacking world. He came on as the executive producer. Those are my sons right there. Nice.

So you're rocking with old Zach Ephron. Yeah. Yeah. There it is. From executive producers, that Airfro just pops up like that. What is, when did you, when you met your wife, Were you already into this biohacking world or was this before then?

I was already into it in respect that I was bodybuilding when I met her. So when she married me, I was literally like posing on stage in front of the mirror, 20 minutes of night, you know, working on my dance songs. Like we had our honeymoon. We went to Italy. Like we were riding bikes and I had like a whole backpack full of elastic bands and I would be doing all my curls and extensions and everything in front of the mirror in Italy. So she had some sort of idea of what she was getting yourself in show.

So she has never not known me not trying to optimize some aspect of like biology or physiology or whatever. And it's kind of refreshing because she's, so she ran track and filled during the 1800 and 1,500 at Idaho. And she's a pretty good athlete, but she's never really been that into all the crazy, you know, like, I'll get her a supplement or whatever. And it will sit on the counter on you. You see her potential. You're like, man, you could have been great. Yeah. And then there's, there's, yeah, yeah, babe.

You can be at 1.30. You don't get this. But she's like very much. Like she's Montana, rancher girl, just like very, not rough around the edges, but very simple in terms of just like, you know, her protocol, if you want to call it that. And there's certain things, though, that she likes, certain things that have stuck. Like I had a laser at one point for, it's like a laser that you use on the skin for like tightening the skin and from her face.

And she stole that thing within like two days and just since there every morning on the couch, like reading her Bible, like holding up the laser to her face. It's like your morning routine. So I'm surprised. Like a few things sometimes stick, but for the most part, it's kind of refreshing because I don't have to take my work home.

Like, same thing with my sons. They lift. They play rugby and lacrosse. They, you know, they do a lot of hunting, a lot of hiking.

And they, like, they'll use stuff around the house because we like, you name it. We have it at the house. Like all the fancy red light beds and hyperbaric chamber

and, you know, PMF stuff. Like any biohack that exists, we have it. And, you know, along with the whole supplement full of, or the pantry full of supplements. And they'll,

occasionally like use some stuff like if they get injured mostly like one of my sons had tennis elbow the other day and he actually wanted like throw the pmf coil on there and get some bpc 157 and tv 500 into the injury and use this special deep tissue device that i have and you know do these special stretches with the band but usually for my sons too it's just like if they get injured they know this stuff can help them heal up faster but they're not like doing their daily hyperbaric or yeah right light chamber or whatever. Buying into it. Was that a disappointment for you for a little bit?

Yeah. How old are your sons? No, I mean, like, I like, I like, I like like, I like like, I like understand. And again, like this is my complaint about the whole biohacking industry. Like it's a lot. There's a lot of like shortcuts like pale kids in their mom's basement like taking supplements or whatever. And like they're outside like lifting heavy shit and working on the farm and doing stuff. And that's that's where the foundation lies.

Like for resilience, for being harder to kill for living a long time. Like there is nothing that replaces like sunlight, fresh air, lifting heavy things. walking up the side of mountains like that that's where the foundation is is it is even worth doing any of this biohacking stuff if you're not going to put in the weight lifting and the going up the mountains and stuff like that depends i mean like like you know it's it's kind of a kind of a broad question because there's probably certain things that would come in handy whether or not you were exercising yeah like i don't know like my mom was complaining about neuropathy the other day and there's a peptide called a r a 290 that i was thinking about getting and having your try just because it can help with nerve

support and it has some indication for neuropathy and she doesn't care at all about exercising but she would certainly use that type of peptide if it helped her to feel better at night um and she's you know i got her an exercise bike and it's like a clothes hanger right so she's not going to do that type of stuff but there's there's certain things that i think can move the dial whether or not you're you're exercising but i think more people need to just i mean even even like the whole like maha thing i don't know how closely you guys have followed that but like remove food dyes and you know red food coloring from cereal and use more natural ingredients and don't use as many preservatives. And there's a lot of what I might even label is kind of like this like orthorexia around food going on as far as

everything having to be hyperclean and, you know, inspect the labels. And I think that people would benefit a lot more from the prevailing message being get out, move your bodies, lift heavy stuff and eat as close to nature as possible. But the lion's share of the push, needs to be towards that. Because I mean, even maybe I'm biased as a, you know, exercise physiologist and, you know, having a background in sports. But like, I think exercise trumps a lot. Like, exercise can trump a pretty crappy diet.

Exercise can trump a poor night of sleep. Like, and literally, like, there's studies that show that, like, doing brief bursts of, like, 10 to 20 seconds of hard exercise or like an aerobic exercise session in the morning can actually help your body repair faster from a lost night of sleep. you know, NAD can help with that. Creatine can help with that. But exercise is another one that really fits into the picture. So I think exercise, lifting, training V-O-2 max, all of that.

Yeah, it has to be the foundation. And then the biohacking is like, it's the icing on the cake. And from, I mean, the world that you guys have lived in from like a professional sports standpoint, like that's a lot of this stuff that can extend careers and that can allow you to recover just like an extra day faster, which often makes a pretty big difference. Yeah, it's huge. That's where I think the value really lies and the people who are already training but need to recover faster or get back into the game more quickly. With the peptides, like I'm a pro peptide type of guy when it comes to BPC or TB 500 or HG, like some of the things that I have taken in the past.

But now I'm seeing like peptides where like, oh, there's a peptide that changes your pigment so you're more tan. There's like kind of these crazy. Melanos. There's some crazy ones out there. Yeah. Well, peptides are like. There's a world where it becomes like too much. Like, dude, if we're, if the goal is to be like healthier,

it doesn't matter like how tan you are. Does tan help with being more healthy? Like just having more hair help with being healthy. There's obviously a cosmetic idea like you, everyone wants to look good. Yeah. But like peptide should be just, hey, there is that argument that some people make like in the looks maxing community is like,

well, if it increases confidence, it's going to improve your ability to do a job interview. You get a paycheck and then you'll be able to take better care of yourself and live a longer time. What a better family. Take over the world. And so.

peptizer, they're basically signaling agents, meaning that they're just tiny chains of amino acids that are going to target a certain receptor on the body to cause that that cascade to occur, that your body would normally be doing itself, but it will amplify that cascade. So if you'll get like a growth hormone secretagog like Samorlin, for example, which is actually one of the ones that you can legally get right now from a compounding pharmacist, if you have a telemedicine consult with a doctor, and you take it and it interacts with the pituitary glands to upregulate growth hormone during sleep. It doesn't work if you have high insulin levels. You'd have to do it in a fastened state before you go to bed. Or what some people will do,

they'll keep the insulin syringe next to their nightstand and if they wake up at night to pee, like inject it and then go back to bed. So you get like that little growth hormone surge a little bit into the night when for sure your insulin levels are going to be lower. But it's not growth hormone, right? It's just like a signal for your body to make more of its oath. its own growth hormone during sleep. Or like BPC 157 isn't like, it's not like a bandit and a patch and going in there and actually patching stuff up. All it's doing is causing your body to, in the case of, let's say, an injury, upregulate Vagethylo-growth factor, which is like an angiogenic agent, which helps to feed more blood to muscle, which could allow it to repair,

recover faster. It does a similar thing in the gut. So if you look at all these, like they're basically just like signaling the body to do something that it would normally do anyway. And then if you look at melanotan, you have these receptors are called melanocortin receptors all over your body. And different peptides interact with different receptors. I think there's like five different melanocortin receptors. And melanotan acts on the one that causes both expression of melanin on the skin. So you get the tanning effect. And that's why a lot of people do this like pre beach vacation. It's big in the bodybuilding industry, right? So they don't do spray tans. They can just do melanotan.

It's big in the sex and the porn industry because one of the side effects of it is a priapism, which is basically an erection that will last like six to eight hours. And in some cases, like that's an actual medical condition. You know, a lot of guys are like, oh, that would be great. I mean, and

it's not at all because it's actually a really bad thing. Yeah, it's actually kind of a bad thing. It's like a medical condition. And so melanotan, basically, and it's a certain percentage of guys that are more genetically susceptible to get that side effect. But basically, it's causing the tanning. It's causing the priapasm in some people. But then the side effect is melanoma or skin cancer. Right. And so just because something is amplifying the body's own signaling

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How has been navigating with your kids knowing like they'll have friends or maybe they'll eat their own stuff? Just like fatherhood. I'm more just like out of curiosity being somebody successful and raising kids myself, like having them, you know, climbing mountains and like doing hard shit or not taking all these shortcuts that are now out there. How has it been for you, like navigating that side of parenthood? Yeah, it's like a constant angst, I think, at the back of any father or mother's mind,

like how far am I going in terms of whether or not I'm living vicariously or attempting to live vicariously through my offspring? Like what didn't I accomplish, whether athletically or academically, scholastically and life at some point that I'm now projecting onto my child and trying to push them to do? and I've always kind of like had that awareness at the back of my mind that I don't want to project myself onto my sons. I want to let them be their own individual beings. I think some parents can take that too far. Like the UBU can result in your kid being some like purple held freak furry, you know, and just like going off the deep end. So you have to pair that with the installation of some type of a moral foundation or understanding of like what is right, what is wrong or even like what do you stand for like the way that we did it in our house a couple

of things that we did first of all we from an early age for them we developed an actual like family brand meaning like we developed our set of family values like what is it that we hold dear like some that are on there are love gratitude contentedness radical honesty it's kind of like a word cloud of about 10 different values and then we formed those into a mission statement that hangs on the wall. Like here, here is what we stand for. Like if, you know, my sons are complaining because we're in the airport for 25 hours because two flights got delayed or whatever, it's like, no, we are content no matter our circumstances. We're going to figure out of way to make this fun and slap a smile on our face and have a good time because we are greenfield. Like that's

what we do. It's part of our mission statement. It's how we live. And then that mission statement became like a family logo, a family crest. We have this whole like family playbook. Like, Here's what we do on Christmas. Here's what we do on Easter. Here's what we do on Thanksgiving. Here's like all my sons have done a right of passage. So here's when they do the right of passage from childhood into adolescence, which for them was like a three-day wilderness excursion.

And then at 16 years old, they have like a gap trip where they had to leave the house for three months without money from mom and dad and just leave and go on a trip. And they got a used car and just like drove down the coast, visit all these national parks. They left in August. Came back in November. And they were just a little bit more mature. having done that, like on their own dime by themselves without mom and dad. And then 17 to 18 was like a 10-day vision quest in the wilderness.

And the book goes on and on just like has all of these different things that we stand for and what it means to be a green field. But none of it is like so old school that like we are blacksmiths. Like we shoe horses. We're football player, whatever. Like there's a lot of leniency in there in terms of like what you choose to do as a career. But the foundation, like the moral foundation. and even just like the traditions that we implement as a family, they're in there.

And so I think that's one thing to where my sons have a strong sense of identity, but it isn't wrapped up in, you know, am I doing triathlons like dad did or, you know, or playing tennis or whatever. And then the other thing is that we have always had this kind of philosophy that is called love and logic. That's not a term that I came up with. It's like an actual parenting approach where you basically take the time to educate your child about any decision that they might make and the consequences of that decision. So that would that it would mean like very, very simple stuff. Like we don't eat gluten.

No, you can't have that. That's not food that we eat, which is like lazy parenting because it's just a no to literally just like educating your kids about like how food works and how like, yeah, like fermented sourdough bread. is different than Wonder Bread because it predigests the gluten. Or this is something that's fine to eat to a certain amount, but then it's like sticky glue in your gut and it can cause some neural issues and digestive issues down the road if you're doing too much of it. Here's all the information.

Now, you go out and make the decision. If you decide you're just going to like mow through a dozen cupcakes or whatever at a birthday party, like that's fine. Like you deal with the distress from that. But at least we educated you about the consequences to the more serious stuff. Like porn. Like I've gone through like four different books on porn with my sons and taught them about dopaminergic, you know, sensitization or desensitization and objectification

of the opposite sex and the sex slave industry and, you know, what that does to your brain, not to mention like, you know, the waste of time, just like all of the different aspects of pornography that are way different than the way that I was raised when it comes to stuff like porn, which is just like, no, we're going to talk about that, we don't look at that, right? So most young men are now finding on the internet or back of the day just like finding magazines under the bed or whatever. But for my sons, it was just like, no, this is what this is. Like, we talk about this openly. Now, if I give you all this information and you decide you want to go on, you know, whatever website and do your thing, that's fine.

But here's what is doing to your body. And here's what it do to society in general, if everybody was doing what you're doing all the time. So those are some of the ways that we educate. And then as far as like whether or not I push on them to do the type of stuff that I do, again, it's just like back to the base. like yeah we strength train um and if you don't it's just like weird around our house like if you haven't been to the gym it's just like weird it's like what were you doing um yeah or you know if if you're just like not there at family dinner like something seriously wrong like that's just like what we do like you're there at 7 p.m at 7 a.m. like you're just in the living room and that's

when our family huddle is and that's just like the expectation that you're actually there so there's certain things that I run a tight ship on and then other things when it comes like what sport you choose to play. Like we just threw a bunch of noodles at the wall to see what sticks. And yeah, they play a little bit of tennis. Like we play family tennis a couple times a week, but one chose lacrosse and one chose rugby. And one likes to hunt with the bow and one's leaning more towards the rifle. And so you kind of let them go out and do their own things as long as you have like that base moral foundation. I think that's what's supposed to be. How did you and your wife come to the conclusion to like make these kind of decisions like family

crest, having an ethos, the whole thing? Like was that a post having the first kid, hey, we should have come up with a plan? Was it before that? Have you always been a strategic individual like that? It's a weird thing we do in Idaho. You just get out of the end. Embry. Yeah.

You're your cousin. You create a family constitution. There's definitely something to be said about living in a like the northwest or like in an area where there's a lot more space. Yeah. I mean, like the stereotype. Yeah, we do live in kind of like a conservative. I mean, we have two kids, which is a very small family in North Idaho.

You know, I would say that as dumb as this. might sound. I give most of the credit to everything I've learned about parenting and education to my podcast because I started to branch off. I got like, so I've been podcasting for 20 and a half years, right? So twice a week for a long time, through a lot of guests. And early on, like, it was all like fitness and physiology and training. And then eventually like I kind of like went the lifestyle route. Like I was watching guys like, you know, Tim Ferriss. I was like, oh, he's interviewing like business owners and parents and, you know, education experts. And I actually like some of that. stuff. Like my degree technically is physical education. So, so I've always had a passion for

education and teaching. And I've probably interviewed like a dozen different podcast guests who are experts in things like rights of passage and vision quests and like raising a young, you know, resilient human being. And it was mostly through some of those folks that I picked up things like, oh, there's such a thing as a wilderness school. Right. So I started sending my sons to wilderness school in the summer. And so they went to this place called 20 Eagles Wilderness School and standpoint. They'd learn like, you know, birdwatching and tracking and shelter building and firemaking and water filtration. And the guy who ran their school came on a podcast and taught me about like the old school Native American idea of a vision quest. Another guy that I interviewed

was like a financial expert. But then he introduced me to a guy who used to be a business brander named Rich Christensen and he got into family branding. Like here's how you build a family logo and a family crest. This kind of flies under the radar, but I got to a point where actually I wrote a book called Boundless Parenting, and it's like the Tools of Titans. I went back and I interviewed all these people again and I asked them all the

same 30 questions about parenting. How'd you discipline? How'd you educate? How'd you choose, you know, what sports they were going to play? How'd you deal with like disagreements that you have with your partner about, you know, certain aspects of raising your children and then just like put it together in like this

anthology of parenting? Because I got so into it at one point that I was just feeding through the fire hose of like, what do you do to actually like keep a family together, but then back to the idea of generational versus self-preservation, like build wealth, pass on wealth, pass on wisdom, pass on traditions. And I think it's a really, really cool way to like operate a family because you're thinking far into the future. Like even from a financial standpoint, it's like, well, yeah, I could have enough at a certain point.

But I put extra money into a trust that will eventually go. into a charity that will eventually be something that my kids can draw on for business or for home. And so it's kind of cool to really start thinking generationally like that. Yeah. Tools of Titans. What a book. I read it. It was a banger back in the day. Yeah. All just the interview questions from Tim Ferriss. But yet, Tim Ferriss. Yeah. Another goat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mount Rushmore. Yeah. Mount Rushmore. Tim Ferriss. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Nothing. Yeah. I mean, he so, so he, I remember actually, I was, I was competing in the the short course world championships up in Vancouver, Canada.

So I was driving there from Spokane, Washington, where I was living at the time. And I listened to the audiobook of four-hour work week all the way up to Canada and all the way back. And at the time, I was running two different gyms. So I had a gym in Spokane, Washington, and a gym in Cordellane, Idaho. And I was already kind of like seeing the writing on the wall that if I wanted to, like, have a family, because I didn't have kids yet at that point, that I was not going to be getting up at 4 a.m. And I was still training for Iron Man.

So I'd like ride my bike 10 miles to the gym in Spokane, train there all day, go for a lunchtime run, ride back home, hop in the car, drive to Cordo lane, train there, come home, get home at 9 p.m., go to bed, get up at 3.45, get up again, rinse, wash, and repeat, like, six days a week. So I was just, like, training my ass off. That was my life. And so I listened to this book on the way up to this race, and it was all about, like, outsourcing and delegating and, like, having, like, a virtual assistant to do certain tasks for you. even before AI and energetic AI, like, here's people who you can hire, like is almost like task rabbits. And so I implemented that book when I got home. I opened up a Craigslist ad in Manila Philippines. I hired my first VA who worked for me for like 20 years and just like she would put together spreadsheets of different like triathlon clubs and coaches in the U.S. who I could reach out to

when I was marketing a product to like shopping for groceries for me or finding deals or whatever. And all of a sudden like I had like 10 extra hours a week and then I found a guy to like mow my lawn and do my yard and plow the snow and just like started outsourcing I'm like oh my gosh like this is like a key to success yeah delegate elevate I don't know what it's called but but it worked and I mean that got me to the point where like I started just like riding more and so I went from training like clients all day long to I created my first online training program which was a training program for ironman triathlon. And then I went down to race Iron Man World Championships that year. And during that entire week, I sold the online program that I'd written. I had a company in Texas called disk.com

that would like drop ship it for me for $197. There's like a nutrition guide and a training guide, recovery guide, supplement guide, everything. And then I had digital version for 97. And I made about 50,000 bucks in a week, like selling this online training program. And it was actually at that point where I was like, oh, wait, I could do some other stuff besides just like, grind at the gym all day long and that led to me getting into writing like writing my first new york times bestseller uh i just started the podcast but started putting more energy into the podcast and the newsletter so i like went from two gyms to working from my underwear at home within a year just and a big part of it was was listening to that book about delegation and outsourcing yeah yeah

yeah he's one of the goats bro i forget which book he added in but he had this one protocol where it was like testosterone based with like taking vitamin D and eating Brazil nuts. Yeah. And I'm like doing that before bad or maybe butter too or grass fed butter or something. Yeah, he had a lot and he was big on the bulletproof coffee. Like I know that's the MCT oil

and the butter and the coffee and all that. Yeah, yeah. You were big on that way first man. Yeah. Yeah, but he was on like if you look even like testosterone replacement therapy is a big thing now, especially with Pete Hesgath and the new like, you know, support our warriors program, whatever it's called where they're actually

wanting to put a lot of the military men who are hypogonaddle on testosterone replacement therapy, which based on their lifestyle and their diet and what they get put through could actually be an advantage for a lot of males. If they do it right, you know, things like HCG to maintain fertility, et cetera. But like back to that Tim Ferriss piece,

I mean, a lot of the stuff that he was talking about, like the basic, again, back to the foundation, like basic building blocks for testosterone, boron, vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, omega-3, fatty acids, creatine, and a good amount of minerals. Like,

that's everything that your lading cells actually need to make testosterone. And then if you pair that with heavy weight lifting with the legs where the majority of androgen receptors reside, good sleep, low stress, plenty of sunlight.

There's a lot of guys who are like turning to gels and creams and injections and pills and pellets or whatever who if they just did that stuff would see an appreciable rise in testosterone. And that's one thing that kind of annoys me in the industry is like,

like slap this cream on. It's like, well, once you do that, like it's a decision often for life. I mean, there are certain things like HCG or enclomathine or there's a, there's a peptide called kiss peptin that you could take to kind of bring yourself back and get yourself to start producing testosterone again after not producing it because you're exogenously administering it. But it's hard to get off that stuff once you get on it. I wish more guys would like do do the building block stuff first before they just like take

the easy way out, especially with testosterone. think it's the biggest thing that I've noticed is like everyone is like now that health and wellness is like it's taking a change from like party and having a good time now everyone's like really focused especially like at our age of like how can I get as healthy as possible and be there for my kids and it goes long as possible or be around cognitively yeah and I just see so many people like trying to do the easiest possible things whether it's standing in front of the red light or doing the PIF mat the things that don't take like the mental fortitude yeah of a just sometimes you dude, you got to pick up a weight.

Yeah. Even if you have just 20 minutes, like those are the things you have to get done. And it's balanced because like, I mean, I don't remember what you guys mentioned, David Gagins and like he's inspirational and stuff. But I mean, dude's got no knees,

he's got a hole in his heart and he's just like pounding the pavement. Like I think that's, that's in excess, right? Like you can certainly do the all sleep one on dead, Navy SEAL, David Gagins, whatever. And so,

yeah, I think like that seesaw balance between work and recovery is important. but I do agree with you that especially in like the looks maxing biohacking world like the part about putting the actual work in some sort of thing on your stomach and it has 20,000 sit-ups in 30 minutes. Yeah, it's like the old school back of the magazines that used to be on airplane just like these devices now okay so because I would probably get called out on this anyway so I'll just come right out and say it. I do have this this one device. It's called a VASPR. Have you seen this?

Oh the VASPER system. Yeah. I used to have one. And it looks like one of those as seen on TV. this is going to give you a six-pack abs with, you know, no time flat and it's super easy things. But A, it's extremely difficult. Like you're literally, so it's blood flow restriction, right? So you're occluding blood flow. And that means that the blood's getting trapped in the extremities. And both your legs and your arms are included while you're on this thing. That's what it looks like.

Yeah. And so then it's circulating icy cold water from a tank that's in the back there because your limbs are burning so much that the cold water is reducing your rating of perceived exertion. So you're actually able to get through the workout. The reason you're barefoot is, and this is a little woo, but it's like copper plates. So you're kind of like doing grounding and earthing while you're on it as well. And then it's a 21 minute workout where it's like a video screen in front of you. And it'll be everything from like 8, 30 seconds prints with 60 seconds recovery to where there's one.

there's one that just crushes. It's two tabata sets each. So there's like a warm up and then one tabata set, which is just 20 seconds balls to the wall, 10 seconds easy. And then you get like a six minute break. And then you do another one. And you're just destroyed by the time you finish that thing.

It's super hard. Your arms and your legs feel like they're going to fall off when you get out of it. But it makes you feel as though you've run like three hours in the mountains when you get off that thing. And when I'm at home, it is one of the main things that I do for cardio. but looking at it, it looks like one of those silly contraptions where it's like,

oh, you're just going to burn the fat off your body and putting the electors or whatever. But, but too much, like, in my defense, like it actually, if you get on it, you are actually working. Like, it's not easy. I remember being at Exos when I saw this for the first time in Phoenix

or in, yeah, Scottsdale, Arizona, and they had this. And I was like, all right, whatever, man. But then you do it. And you legit, was that, was that, was that, Staggan's a facility down there? Yeah.

Mark Brestagin? Yeah, yeah. He's a man, by the way. Yeah, he's cool. But it like truce your pituitary, Glenn, they're thinking you did like a three, four hour long workout, right? So when you sleep, it's supposed to like release all the testosterone? Yeah, there's like a hormone release.

And then you get this rush, like anything blood flow restriction, you get a rush afterwards. So you trap lactic acid in the tissue comes rushing out. Some of the lactic acid gets converted. There's a cycle in your body called the Corey cycle, right? And people think lactic acid's bad, it's causes it's, causes it soreness. It doesn't. Typically the calcium release that occurs from muscle tearing that causes soreness. But lactic acid gets converted to glucose.

And some of the glucose is used for fuel to keep going or do another workout. But then some of the lactic acid can cause a release of vascular endothil growth factor, the same stuff the BPC 157 causes and hypoxia inducible factor. And both of those increase, like, neurogenesis in the brain. So you actually get like this brain effect and you feel more alert afterwards also. Like you hear about people eating like lion's mane mushroom. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And it's kind of funny because if you see it growing, in nature, it looks like a brain. It looks like a cluster of like axons and dendrites and synapses. And when you eat it, it actually causes a little bit of a release of BDNF. And this is similar. Like it has like a brain effect and a body effect. Well, if you were

sitting there and you were talking to an individual that doesn't do a whole lot of exercise, they want to get their body right, they're overweight, like what would you suggest from like a morning routine standpoint of like this is the best way to start your day? Um, I think some of the main things

think about so so there's this term uh swingily german words i know it's called zeit zygabber zeitgeber zikeber all right uh and it means timekeeper and basically timekeeper refers to the fact that there's certain things that you can do to jumpstart your circadian rhythm or to increase or decrease sleep drive um if you look at this from like like a like a fitness or a health standpoint that's important because how you start your day can dictate the amount of energy that you have going into the rest of the day. So some of the things that would include would mean restricting dopamine release for an hour or so after you get up, meaning not turning on your phone, not checking tech messages, not doing anything that would result in you getting like those constant short

dopamine hits as soon as you get up. So that would be the first thing, like leave the phone in airplane mode. The second would be something that Dr. Andrew Huberman has made pretty popular, the idea of like this cortisol awakening response. Like when you wake up, your body now, naturally makes cortisol. And it's ample amounts of cortisol, and that makes sense because when you increase cortisol, you're basically beginning sleep that night. That's like what's jump-starting the sleep drive that goes throughout the rest of the day. You have this molecule called adenosine that builds up, that gradually makes you sleeper and

sleeper as the day goes on. And cortisol is kind of like combating the effects of adenosine. So you're getting less and less adenosine released, and then the adenosine is going to sort of build up as the day goes on. So some of the things that would help with that morning cortisol, one would be ample amounts of light. And you could use this to basically shift your sleep clock forwards or backwards, meaning I'm in Nashville right now. I live on the Pacific time zone.

So when I get home, if I want to wake up at 5 a.m., and I've been waking up at 5 a.m. here in Nashville, my body might actually wake up at 3 a.m. Because 3 a.m. on the Pacific time zones, 5 a.m. in Nashville. Well, if I delay getting exposed to blue light until it's 5 a.m. back home, then I'm going to be able to shift my clock a lot better. So what that means is when I'd wake up, I'd actually wear the type of blue light blocking glasses that you would normally wear at night, right, to keep blue light sleep from disrupting sleep or to keep blue light from disrupting sleep at night.

You put those on in the morning. or I keep my phone dimmed, keep my computer dimmed. I have like a red light headlamp that I used to get around for this like in the morning. So I'm not flipping on like bright overhead LED fluorescent lights. You're basically like living in sunrise or in red light until the time comes when you actually want to send your body the message that it's wiki, wiki time. And you need a big release of cortisol. And that's when you flip on all the lights and you amplify the blue light exposure. Light is just like one timekeeper.

The other timekeepers are movement. and temperature and food. So basically working out within a couple hours after you've gotten up, that's one really, really good way to get your body into the groove. And the increase in body temperature that occurs when you do that is one way to realign the circadian rhythm. And all this stuff works for jet legs still. Can you do the same thing with sauna?

Getting into a sauna would also do it. Yeah. So if you didn't want to exercise in the morning or you weren't able to or you wanted to double up, you could do sauna first, like do your morning routine, you know, whatever that is. Like read your Bible, pray. Those are the type of things I'm doing in the morning as I'm getting the body heated up and then a little bit later on I'm doing a workout.

So you can do, you doesn't have to be a weight lifting. You can do a zone two cardio, just walking there with a treadmill. You can do it. Doesn't have to be a full workout, but just some kind of movement within the first couple hours after waking.

So for me it's kind of twice. Like I get about 15, 20 minutes of stretching. A lot of times it's in the sauna. Like when I burst get up. We're talking like 5.30 a.m.ish. And then I'm in the gym around eight or so. So then food, typically it's something that is protein rich within a couple hours after waking.

And then you kind of got to pair that with the whole like intermittent fasting thing, which does have some benefits. But like if I'm traveling, especially if I'm overseas, I try to get 30 to 40 grams of protein within a couple hours of waking, even if that breaks the intermittent fasting window because it helps you align to the new time zone much more quickly. And then all the opposite stuff would apply at night. Right.

So at night you're trying to get cold. You're trying to avoid eating a lot of food, especially like a protein rich or a heavy meal. You're trying to limit your access to blue light. And you're not doing like a workout within a couple hours before bedtime. So the reason I'm saying all this in response to your question about like, where's a good place for a person to start when it comes to health? Is like just think about like your body rhythms.

And then some forms of medicine, like Ayurvetic medicine or Chinese traditional medicine, get super into this concept like certain things that you do at certain times during the day. The other reason it's important is like anybody who competes, any athletes, any teams, like they should understand the idea of like getting onto the time zone more readily using food, movement, light, and temperature. So that's kind of like all the stuff that gets dumped into an ideal morning routine to specifically reply to your question is like get up, figure out a way to heat the body, within a couple hours, get a protein rich meal, get a movement session in in the AM,

preferably if you can versus the PM, even though the best time of day to work out is whenever you're going to work out. If you do it in the AM, that's better. And then do something like heats the body in the morning and cools it off at night. All the other stuff like the red light, you know, PMF, oxygen, whatever.

Like, again, that's all just kind of like the icing on the cake. But that's where I'd start. Just like think, okay, so what am I doing with my sleep drive and my circadian rhythm when I get up and then rinse, wash and repeat in the evening? Is there like, you see the best time to work out anytime you can possibly work out.

So if you don't get any movement in the morning, nighttime's still okay in your opinion. You'd rather have that happen, nothing at all? Yeah, so there's some nuances to it. So a couple of things to think about. Your body temp and your hormone synthesis is going to peak between about 4 and 6 p.m. in the afternoon. So if you had the luxury of time

of being able to choose your most demanding high intensity interval training or strength training to occur in like the later after, into early evening, that is the sweet spot to do it from a physiological standpoint. From a mental, like, decision-making fatigue willpower standpoint, for people who actually, and a lot of people would fit this bill, like live a stressful day, by the time you get to like four or five or six, you don't want to go crush it at the gym, right? So for a lot of people, what the body's doing later on doesn't necessarily dictate. That's going to be the best for you

in the morning. But the harder thing, if you were able to and you can, would be between 4 and 6 p.m. And then the morning would be like walk the dog, zone two aerobics, sauna, cold plunge, the type of stuff that allows you to a little bit more easily ease into the day because your body is already, remember, releasing cortisol. So you don't necessarily have to do that highly cortisolic hyperdrive hardest workout in the day. So if you have the advantage of doing two a day, so if you have the advantage of doing two a day, you do like the easier thing in the morning and the harder thing in the later afternoon to the early. evening. But I think for a lot of people, like you were just nodding your head with the

decision-making fatigue thing, for a lot of people, just like eating the frog in the morning is the best way to do it. If you're going to get done, because there's always a level of excuse that takes place where, like, for me, it's always like stretching is the hardest thing where I'm just like, dude, I know I got to, but I'll get, I'll get, I'll get in bed. I'll lay in bed at night. I'll be like, tomorrow morning. First thing, I'm doing this 15 minutes of stretching. And then I'll get in the morning, we're like, tonight we're stretching. And then I'll be back in the bed. Like tomorrow it starts. I stretch and phone roll every morning, every morning, 15 minutes.

For me, like being, like, since I was like 15, right, I was like, I worked out and it was a year-long thing. So it's like been such a habit of mine to where it's like, yeah, I have no problem going and lifting weights and doing that. The stretching part, now that I'm done playing sports, I'm like, dude, fuck it, man. Who cares? You don't think it feels good? It feels good after, but it's just that.

It's like the time of 15 to 20 minutes. Yeah. I mean, I have a whole lounge, though, it's tricked out with like, you. you know, like the vibrating peanut rollers and the foam rollers and the ridges and like the guns. Sounds like you would have an amusement park. If I had that, that'd be awesome. Yeah, I mean, you put on a good podcast or audiobook. A lot of times, like, I'll listen to the Bible in the morning and just like go to town for 15, 20 minutes.

But then the other thing, like back to the timing piece, and this is interesting, is like, I actually, you know, I did that, that full on. I wrote a book, like low carb training for athletes and did a ton of the keto stuff. Even when I was racing Iron Man, my last couple years of Iron Man, I was doing like a quarter of the amount of carbs that you'd see recommended by, say, like, the Gatorade Sports Science Institute, and we're just doing like ketones, high fat, low carb. There are some downsides to that approach. Like you don't get enough glucose in if you're active for like the proteoglycan formation and joints.

So you get some joint pain. Testosterone suffers, thyroid suffers because your body kind of downregulates the metabolism if you think you're in a time of starvation or famine or whatever. So along the years, I eventually realized that you can kind of like have your cake and eat it too. You can replace your carbohydrates by eating the lion's share or the majority of your carbohydrates in the evening. You're basically doing like carb refeating in the evening, which is cool because that's a precursor to serotonin, which is a precursor to melatonin, which helps you sleep better at night and then socks off your liver and your muscle glycogen stores.

So you have a better workout the next morning. So you have energy the next morning. And you also kind of like reset the thyroid, reset the testosterone. So it's kind of like cyclic low carbs. So I'll have almost no carbohydrates the entire day. Like this morning, for example, I had Brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, at a protein bar, and a little bit of Greek yogurt. And so that's basically just like all protein with a little bit of fat.

And then lunch, I'll have like some salad with a salmon. But then at night, like sweet potato, yam, blueberry, honey, you know, purple potato, you know, bread, whatever. And so that cyclic carbohydrate thing works pretty well. but then the thing that you got to understand is because of that cortisol release that happens in the morning, you're more insulin sensitive in the morning. And so a lot of people like, well, that'd be the time that you want to have your carbs, like your fruit smoothie or whatever, is in the morning because you're more insulin sensitive in the morning.

But you can induce, like, this temporary state of insulin sensitivity in the evening because there's certain things that you can do that make your muscles suck up the sugar that you'd have with dinner. And so then you're able to sleep better and also not get the negative. effects of like a blood sugar spike in the evening. So back to the timing of the workout, like if you were to do some kind of a workout between like 4 and 6 p.m. in the afternoon or early evening, or anything else that would stabilize blood glucose. It could be like cold thermogenesis is pretty good at this, like brisk walk, anything like that.

You're basically getting your body ready for an evening carb refeed. So that all being said, if you put all this together, if you're going to have like the perfect the ideal day and you were able to choose how it was going to go. You'd be doing like zone two aerobic, thermal stress, hot, cold, stuff like that in the morning, going through your day, not eating a lot of carbs, doing mostly healthy fats, vegetables and proteins. Then towards the end of the day, you do some kind of like attuity, where you're doing like your weight lifting, your high-intensity interval training, maybe a little bit of extra cold thermogenesis. Then you're having as many carbs as you want with dinner. And so it's a good cycle from both the circadian rhythmicity and a performance

standpoint to kind of like marry the carbon take and the timing of the activity like that. Did you ever get into, you probably saw it from a mile away, but the carb backloading. Who is like at the deal? Yeah. I mean, what I just described like carb refeating, it kind of is like, do we keep going what I'm saying? What was it? What was his name? John somebody.

And he was kind of like a, it was a little bit of like an IIF YM approach where it was just like, John Kiefer. Yeah, John Kiefer. And he was really on to something. He would be like, though, just have cherry turnovers or donuts or whatever. But I would plan my day around Dairy Queen and shit at night because it's like 50 carbs or less throughout the day. I don't even. I'm talking.

I'm looking at nutrition facts. Like, dude, the most food. Like, man, this day's going to bang. For me, it didn't need to be like dairy queen and junk food. It's just like whatever. Like my wife like makes cannon bowl size sourdough loves of bread and there's like dark chocolate. and like ice cream but like good ice cream and like you can actually you're doing it the right yeah you can do a refeed i just like like to eat more of the good shit yeah i'm talking this would be

he he had a phrase because i love uh reading his writing too like in the car back loading like they just talk about donuts and i'm like hey buddy we could be honest and i'm not gonna lie i would wake up i would feel tighter yeah with what he was talking about sometimes you're paying the back of the toilet seat for a half hour i mean like you got to be careful with with what you're putting in your body in the evening but But yeah, the idea conceptually actually works pretty well. Right, like doing it with the right stuff. Like you were talking about the sour dough and everything else.

I ran with it for probably a month in the summertime. Maybe this was 2017-18. And it was one of the better summers of my life, like planning some of this, some of my feedings at nighttime. Carrot cake. Carrick is one that I'll do. I will eat an entire carrot cake. Yeah, it would be like, I listen to Greenfield all time.

you had I get stuff from Ferris I get stuff from Poliquin kefir who else who else was a big because if I was still playing now like Huberman would be a big one but a lot of those guys like getting any anything that to get that 1% or chase something that could be a little different yeah I was all in on it yeah yeah it is cool I mean and it's interesting because like I think is getting better

but there is a little bit of this rifts between the world that you just described, like whatever, Hooverman, Ferris, me, Breco, what, like, all these people who are kind of putting out this stuff that, you know, usually the way it happens is like when it first gets put out, it's considered to be like super silly and BS and pretty woo. And, and then eventually it's adopted. But there's this riff between that and kind of like the good old boys approach to training, which is just like, you know, again, very, very similar to the, you know, just work hard, you know, eat whatever you want to eat, you know, and training trumps everything. And then the recoveries, you know, in many cases, like ice bath, maybe some foam rolling,

maybe some deep tissue work, but not a whole lot in terms of like, whatever, hyperbaric or intermittent hypoxic training or PMF or any of this stuff. But, you know, and then you walk into, like, the average locker room is just like all endocrine disruptors, right? It's just like microplastics, endocrine disruptors, things that would actually lower testosterone, you know, fragrances. And I feel like, you know, if the world of like performance and biohacking could merge, like, there could be some real breakthroughs as far as like performance and recovery. Dude, I agree because it's like, you can come up through like Nebraska or West Side Barbell Med, like to all these things. And then I'm coming across the names I was just mentioning with yourself, Poloquin, Ferris. you'd get stuff whenever Rogan would have somebody on,

no matter who it was. It's like taking some of those things you'd hear, like we were explaining when we started bonding at the beginning to where you noticed the things around your environment, you're like, hey, I kind of heard, I kind of saw this, this is like the research he saying is on top of it, like I'm gonna implement like these smaller things to where then you go

in the athletic training room or the professionals that are in that world to where they kind of scoff at those things you're hearing about. So you just feel like, yeah, and then yeah, yeah. I remember like, I remember putting that out. Like, oh, don't listen, like just do, the rice method and yada yada yada yada all this kind of stuff.

I play black pepper in my tumor because I heard that activates and gets it all done it. And I'm putting in there and like the trainers would be like, yeah, makes it more absorb it depends. Like well, if you if you want the turmeric to act systemically and you want more of it to be absorbed past the gut, then you mix with black pepper. And then if you're taking turmeric as an anti-flammer in the gut, you wouldn't want with black pepper because you want to stay in the gut. Like, you know, there's some nuances on it.

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But I kind of alluded to like that environmental piece. Like fragrances, for example. Like I think then the next level beyond that is like the whole air, light, water, electricity piece. Like I just kind of kicked the light piece to death talking about circadian rhythm. But more people should know. Just like, how do you light your environment in the morning and how do you light your environment in the evening for optimal circadian rhythm? And even like, how do you light your environment in the evening for optimal circadian rhythm? And even like, how do you light, let's say, like, a training facility to reduce retinal irritation during the day and allow for better performance and better eye tracking?

Well, you would do it with like incandescent or biological LED versus overhead fluorescent lighting. Where you look at this series of studies that were called the COG FX studies. And it was like three different studies that occurred over the teams like 2015, 2017, 2019. And it looked at the effects of indoor air quality on performance, on reaction time, on cognition. and it turns out there's actually something too, like hepa air filtration and the absence of volatile organic compounds in the air, actually improving cognition during the day. It's almost like dirty air.

Kind of like makes you stupid, makes you slow, but you still don't see a lot of people who are in high performance environments focusing on really, really good hepa air filtration or the air quality in general. You know, water, you could say the same thing for electricity. I know the 49ers, that's a whole. controversial controversial thing there how do you feel about EMF and 5G and all that stuff?

So I'll come around and say I'm like I get it about peptides where it's like you can't find a lot of actual good human studies but you can show lack of adverse events and you can explain what could be going on mechanistically

very similar with like radio frequencies and like a lot of the work that WHO has done and highlighted like you can't find a lot on let's say like cell phone in the pocket and rate of injury or

radio frequencies from a Wi-Fi router and things people talk about like brain cancer or whatever. But then if you look at it or think about it mechanistically, if you look at like an animal and it's in rigor mortis, the reason like an animal will be in rigor mortis

is because of a calcium influx and a constant state of depolarization in the muscles that occurs from that calcium influx. Very similar to how I was saying like one of the reasons you're sore after workout is a calcium influx, not lactocassum. Well, if you just flood the muscles with calcium, they're like just in that state and not any of it gets removed in a case of rid or mortis just because an animal or a human is dead at that point. Now, if you look at the, they're called voltage gated ion channels that would allow for ions to move in and out of cells,

one of the ways that those get open up and triggered to cause a massive influx of calcium is when they are exposed to radio frequency, very similar to what you get. from like a Wi-Fi router or a cell phone. So we do know that there's a calcium influx into the cell. We do know that that depolarizes the cell, and if that cell is in tissue, it would cause like a tightening of the cell, almost like not like you can actually feel the muscles contracting, but you're in just like a mild state of tightness throughout the day

if you're constantly surrounded by high power radio frequency, such as you would find like cell phones, cell phone towers, Wi-Fi routers, et cetera. So mechanistically, am I right next to the Wi-Fi router? No, no, no, no, I was just pointing, that's the cell phone tower next to the 49ers. So mechanistically, if this were true, what would be going on is that if you are performing and the muscle is tighter when you're performing, you're going to have, and this is just, you know, physical training 101, you're going to have a higher rate of a strain or a sprain or a soft tissue injury because of that mild state of rigor mortis in the muscle. And then if you look at like my routine when I'm on an airplane, for example, what's something that can offset the influx of calcium into a cell is magnesium, right?

So I'll take magnesium before and after a flight just to kind of help out with some of the radiation that I'm exposed to on the flight. But you can't find a single study that would actually say, yeah, like there's a link between radio frequency exposure, Wi-Fi exposure, cell phone tower exposure and injury. But that's like if it were going to happen, that's like how it would happen. would be that low level of depolarization in the cell causing slight constant tightness. And you could probably rig up some kind of a super sensitive force meter that could look at the amount of force that a muscle is producing and see if there's just like a slight

uptick, like a slight peak when you have a control group next to a bunch of towers versus a control group in a place separate from the towers and just see if there's like a mild peak of depolarization when you're next to the towers. That would like be your first clue. but I don't think anybody's actually But you need to get your journalistic hat on and get out to that substation and start out of that.

Nick Mosa coming and he's got a castor in a couple weeks ago and I'm like there it is a game. Yeah I think somebody that's sounded like was Evans had a hammy and you're like these guys man I'm telling you. That's amazing or something else. Yeah I mean there's a few ways you could

I mean you could look at it that way you could try just some again it's so it's so difficult because these aren't like you know controlled clinical studies but you can try something like a magnesium or a transdermal magnesium protocol on the players and see if there was a reduced rate of injuries or any reports of

just like, you know, just feeling better or sleeping better in general. But yeah, yeah, it's a tricky one. How much it, how much of your influence is there like some sort of liability that people try to pin on you? Because you have this wealth of knowledge. You are an influencer in some sense from a biohacking standpoint. Yeah. So like going out and saying, hey, this is bad. Do you think there's like, have people told you, hey, there's liability if you go out and try to give. There's not, so for me, because I'm not a licensed medical professional, I actually have a lot, a lot more lenience in terms of what I can say, because I'm a prescribing medical advice. I'll tell people, hey, this might be good for you. I'd try this if I were you, but I don't do that.

And then also scope of practice, right? So, for example, I'm a nutritionist, not a dietitian. I can't put people on a certain diet to manage some type of, like, illness or condition. But I can make general, like, macronutrient recommendations for technically I'm a, I'm a dietitian. sports nutrition. So I can make macronutrient recommendations for athletes, for example. And then I was just in Washington, D.C. at this event called PEPMed. And the panel that I was on was about, you know, how you balance like influencer marketing and public perception of what is or is not good for them based on what that influencer is saying, especially because of the fact

that many influencers are like in somebody's pocket now. And that comes down to just like transparency. Like I'm technically supposed to say. And you'll notice, like if you like look at my Instagram, or whatever, like, if it's an ad or if I'm even just like talking about something that that I have an affiliate link for, for example, meaning if someone clicks on that link or uses my code, I get kickback. Like, I actually say that. Like, like, there's transparency in terms of disclosure. And that, that's been a law. Uh, I forget of an, it's an FDA or FTC law since 2023. Like, you have to actually have transparency in terms of disclosure of any affiliate relationships. And then not a lot of people even pay attention to that rule.

But yeah, if I were not to disclose affiliate relationships and then make prescriptive medical advice, I could get in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, I'm, I'm sure there's been some point in the past 20 years where I've done that. Absolutely. But I'm pretty careful. You did? I did see you come up with my algorithm. I saw a Jared about our producer back there.

A chair. A chair? Yeah, promoting a chair. Oh, the anthros? Yes. Yeah. Is that all what it's cracked up to be? Because I clicked the link when I saw, you know, I was like, oh, shit, this chair.

Is this a badger? chair? Ben's like, I've always been a guy that wants to talk about. You should be walking. You should take very little time sitting down during the day because it is the thing that hurts us the most.

But until I found this chair. Until, one day. One day. Because I went, I click this link and I was like, bro, $2,200 for a chair?

He's not sending you one. No, no, none of us. We don't have the budget for that. It's got all sorts of adjustable. It's the one I'm building a new podcast studio right now. Those are my chairs in the studio. It's got like back support,

loombar support. height adjustment, wobble adjustment, and then armrest adjustments. So you can just like dial in your ergonomics as precisely as possible. And I don't even really like to sit in a chair that much. Like I have the walking treadmill and a standing desk. And that's like 80% of the time for me. But the rest of the time like that is the actual chair. But if you were going to sit, this is actually the chair.

Yeah. That's a chair. I think they originally built it for gamers. It's a good chair. And the minute I saw your ad for that, it's like been all over my shit. Every single time there's an ad that pops up. It's somebody else talking about this damn chair. Does it hit you with the PMM?

stuff? Oh, that'd be sick. Just get one of them. If it grounds you? No, you probably could. You probably could. You were a guy that I talked to you about the PMF because I got the mat last year for Christmas and you're like, yeah, it wasn't really for me. I have one. Like, I mean,

I'm sure you feel this way. You probably felt this way too. Like all the things you do training-wise and recovery-wise it's hard for me to say what works for me and what doesn't. Because you would talk about the mat and the mat is like you know, we talk about like waking up and doing the stretching and everything else. Like it's so much like time optimization to where okay,

am I going to choose to go 15 minutes and lay on this mat or am I going to use that for in the morning? If I only give myself an hour and 15 minutes in the morning before the kids wake up, where am I going to put my time towards? To me, the mat would just fall off on the back end to where I can't say it did enough for me to where, you know, I'm going to buy in and say people need to be laying on. That's where that's where stacking comes in for me because you're right. You can't really do if you have a real life, a proper washout study where you're like, I'm going to start taking krill oil instead of fish oil. Yeah. Stop everything else and you do like a two week wash out of the fish oil and do the krill oil for four weeks.

Yeah, even I don't do that. I just don't have the time. And there's so many things that I like to do to feel good that I'm not going to do a washout every single time I want to introduce something. But I stack a ton. I mean, like I've got a PMF red light mat and hypervolt gun in front of the TV. up in the TV room. And at my desk where I have lunch at in the studio inside the main house, I have like a mitochondria helmet. I got PMF lined up the back of the chair. I got this little like knee traction device and I've got like a little ball for all in my foot. And then my office is super

tricked out. There's like three red light panels, two different helmets, carbon dioxide inhalation therapy, which is basically for like expanding the arteries, like a seasonal effective disorder box, P-M-F mat And so the whole day that I'm working I can be stuck in my office for eight hours It's very, very seldom That I'm just like laying on some mat Looking up into the sky

You know, doing the therapy Yeah, you got like three four things at one time For I'd make sense Yeah, even like when I travel Like this morning, I was walking around my hotel room I've got like a belt on That's doing vibration and red light and spinal traction I was wearing a red light cap

And then I've got like this little travel like slap on PMF device. But I'm also just like doing my morning stretching, listening to some stuff. Yeah. I'm very productive when I'm when I'm hacking. Are you stretching every day?

Yeah. How many minutes a day are we stretching? 15 to 20 minutes. It's a long ass time, dude. It's a long ass time to stretch. It is not just stretching. Yeah, you gogging in a long time. Hey, there's doctors, they're lawyers.

So when I say stretching, that includes, yeah. Percussive gun, foam roller, like the little vibrating balls, any stretching strap devices, PVC pipe. So I've got like seven or eight different tools. I mean, all the way down to where I just put out a mobility video on YouTube where I'm showing like how you stack a lot of this stuff for stretching. But I have like a foam device that like rolls over the back and there's an acupressure mat on top of that and a PMF mat on top of that.

And then I'll hold a PVC pipe and kind of like ease myself over. it and combine like four different modalities at once. When you have enough toys to kind of, it's kind of like if you walk into a stack gym, you could easily get like a 90-minute workout in and feel like it's a lot shorter than if you're in just like crappy little hotel gym was on a lift for your train or anything dumbbells. So I think a lot of it for me is just like variety and a lot of cool tools that you can use on different areas of the body.

And then just knowing how to use them. You know, there was a time when I probably read cover to cover Kelly Starets becoming a supple leper like three times. and just learn every single move you could do and every single deep tissue area you could target and the fact that a lot of times when you have tennis elbow, it's like an adhesion in the triceps.

If you work that area, then all of a sudden the medial leprechaundalitis feels better or similar for like the Terry's minor and the back of the armpits. All right there rotates to the brachialis and then you just start to figure out all these points you can hit on your body. So yeah, I literally just like a lot myself,

15 to 20 minutes every morning, whether I'm traveling or at home. And it's foam rolling. it's stretching. So by the time the week's over, you know, I've a mass like 140 minutes of just like taking care of the body. Have you ever noticed that when you, the more you learn about like how the body works, the more it seems like things hurt. Do you ever get that feeling? Like having a like when you're like younger like you roll your ankle and you like, ah, my ankle hurts. But then you learn that like, oh, maybe your hip was tight. So that's why and then your knee doesn't have as

much flexion. So that's why your ankle hurts. And then it becomes like so many steps and so many things like if you're playing a sport you're like I have to unlock and activate all these things before and like a year ago before you learn any of this shit you're like I'm just going to go out hit the cold tub for three minutes stretch real fast and get out that'd be like the separation that you were talking about it's a curse of information

yeah it's like once you like because for me it was but that was not superstitious I'm somewhat stitious in the sense that like if I knew something worked for me it great but then somebody would give me information like oh if you like chop the insides of the thigh activates this and you have to you have the rubbing

in the bag, you're activating your CNS the whole time, and you're like, all right? So you would activate those things, then do the core, then you'd roll out and hit here and you do the thumb thing back. You'd like stretch a certain way, but it couldn't be static stretching. It had to be some sort of mobility stretching

because you're about to do athletic movement. And then it's like, I'm starting to realize I'm spending two hours before this game. Doing so much shit. You're like, you're not doing the stuff and it's like, yeah, because I'm on a different. You don't even know where I'm at that, bro. You just want me to put ice and do contrast

and everything else. I think, so the way I think about this, I get exactly what you're saying. And you, and you've got like the goat method and you have like Ben Patrick, you know, knees over toes, athletic cram group. You're doing like too. So that's good shit. And you got like starrette and so you could have all these different areas that you just need to target 24-7. The way I look at it is I always, I'm about you guys, I always have an area that needs more TLC than like right now,

after a week in the mountains hunting, it's basically traps, my big toe, my left knee. Like those three areas are just basically beat up right now. So I will have like a phase where like most of my morning stretching protocol is going to be focused on like planar flexion and mobility in the big toe, deep tissue work and PMF on the left knee and a bunch of trap work and probably just like a little bit of hip stuff because of the strap on the pack. And then, you know, months from now it might be a little bit of brachialis because I'll be getting back into tennis. right and so a lot of it will be shoulder work and rotator cuff work so i think knowing all the recipes and gradually learning them as you live through your athletic and post athletic life is a good

idea but then you have to have that understanding of just not being stupid thinking oh so i need to do all this stuff all the time like you don't wake up in the morning eat every single food and conument in your refrigerator and take every supplement in your pantry every day just because it's there it's like you choose different foods different macros different ingredients different recipes for different times And so the way I look at it is like, okay, so if the body is whatever, just like a piece of meat, like, what am I doing with it today based on the actual recipe that I want to create and what the meat sack actually needs at this time? Yeah. I'll see, I'll be breathing in the bad air. And I was just like, let me just pop an anti-inflammatory.

I'll take care of some of these injuries I got going on. We'll just go work through it. See, I'm like the opposite. I'm like, okay, no anti-inflammatory for me. No, I'm not going to take Advil, Tylenol, none of that stuff. But then I feel like shit sometimes. I'm like, fuck, dude. I'm just, let me just order a handle.

Concrete. Oh, dude, I'm a red light crotch guy. Boom. Morning night. I'll pop that thing right there. I actually am kind of surprised that nobody has yet developed like some kind of an ancillary device, like a thigh attachment for all the people who are doing that. Oh, yeah.

It's like agnostic to the red light device, but it's just like the, it's like the thighs or sizeer except it's there just to hold your red light panel in place. You could be that guy. You could make that attachment, no problem. Yeah. Yeah, it's called integrated marketing. Integrated marketing. I'll send you the check.

Yeah, please do. You got to have your boys build that. That's right. What else we got, boys? Any questions in the back taking place? I'm just thinking of all the things out there that you can do. Oh, Sherman. All of things.

I have just a short science question that I wanted to pick your brain on. Taylor had been talking about red light therapy maybe a month ago. I had gone to a vertical farm. back in Texas where they were using the lights to basically signal in the plants, hey, we're harvesting or, hey, you need to produce more. Or, hey, we're about to water you. And these plants are reacting to different temperature of light, different colors of light. Is it the same with the human body that like, I heard you hear, or I heard you say blue and red light.

Yeah. Other lights? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like kind of similar when they play. play the plants Mozart to use sound to shift him into a certain state. Which is actually interesting. Like there's this whole way we didn't talk about this.

They play music for plants. This whole field of like light sound therapy. Another term for now is called cyberdelic therapy where you can use different lights and sounds to shift the body into a psychedelic state. Very similar to what you'd get from like magic mushrooms or LSD. And so there's this device, these devices. Like there's one called a neurovisor. There's one called Roxieva. And you lay underneath these lights and they use flashes to actually show.

shift to the brainwave into a certain state. Typically, it's tied to like a vibration mat underneath the body and sound that you're listening to. And you can get into it like a deeper psychedelic state with these technologies than you can in many cases with drugs, just using electricity to shift the body. That's not what they're doing to the plants. Technical magic mushroom trip. So kind of like I was saying earlier, how if you look at some, of this newer research on red light. And there's like certain from the, from the 620 to the 850 nanometer range, we used to think it all just like stimulates the mitochondria and speeds up the production of ATP.

But it's actually certain forms that are like slowing it down and certain forms that are speeding it up. And then if you look at that whole spectrum of light, you've got like the blue light spectrum, right, which is basically these super short wavelengths that are the wakey, waky wavlanks that can you know keep melatonin from attaching to a receptor reduce groginess in the morning keep you up at night if you were to look at him at night to uh green wavelengths which are now being looked at for things like migraines and headaches and like on my red light bed at home i can like i have a few buttons i can push where i can take all the red all the blue all the other colors out of the bed

except green and you can lay in there if you have a headache and do just green light therapy which is also supposed to be a little bit better for the retina for the eyes um and then then you've got your entire red light spectrum. So you have your infrared, you're near, your mid, and you're far, and then your actual visible red light spectrum. And all of them are doing different things. Like even if you buy these new red light face masks

that are for the skin, like some penetrate more deeply. Some are designed just to stimulate collagen and elastin. Some are designed to reduce inflammation. Some to increase blood flow. But that's just based on what all the different spectrums of light can do for you, which is interesting because, there's this new book and I think it's really good.

It's written by Rowan Jacobson. It's called In Defensive Sunlight. And it goes way beyond just light. It's like here's all the things that Sun can do for the body, even down to the point of like activating bacteria on your skin in certain ways that not only increase your vitamin D production, but help with sleep parameters and help with neurotransmitter synthesis. And so if you think that there's this giant light in the sky,

putting out dozens and dozens of different wavelength spectrums, and that we, depending on your belief, were created or evolved on this earth to interact with that light in the sky, it makes pretty good sense that all these wavelengths not only interact with plants in cool ways, but interact with us in certain ways. That is your question, Cherm?

There you go, Sharon. Yeah, that book. It's a good book. Fascinating answer. What, like, obviously you've traveled around to a bunch of different places, and I know Japan, they were recently going viral because they have the most people over 100 years old.

And so, like, their longevity, to me, it's like you look at Japan and it's like they got the formula for it. But what's a place that you've traveled to? You saw how they lived and you're like, man, this is what people in America are missing. Chopsticks, Natto, Camono.

Keys to longevity. Chopstick? Chopsy. A place that actually seems to have things pretty dialed in when it comes to longevity. Yeah. You know, a lot of people say like,

know, the Mediterranean diet and the Italian people and Sardinia. I spent some time in Sardinia and it was all just, it seemed like Disneyland. It was almost like olive garden, you know, with unlimited breadsticks and, you know, iceberg lettuce drenched in seed oil. And then if you go out into the actual mountains where there's like old people who are actually getting up in the morning and doing yard work and hiking Nigerian Dorfgoats up the side of a mountain, they get milk and coming back and they're like drinking wine at night and with a bunch of people and have these like, very like, like, extroverted social lifestyles, but also like not a lot of, of, not a lot of a focus on like retirement, on a lot of the things that we're like pushing for in Western society.

But instead, they're just like getting up, living life, being physically active, being outdoors, being with people, not asking themselves, you know, how many glasses of wine do I need to drink before my telemures begin to like shorten excessively, but just like, you know, drinking with people and having a couple glasses and just like having fun and having a high amount of love and relationships in their life. I mean, you know, that's an example of a culture that seems to have it pretty dialed in. I would say most of the cultures I've been in where people seem to have a good mix of happiness and longevity and absence of severe disease. There's a big social component. I mean, that's like Harvard's longest running study on longevity. It was like

80 years long. They found that when you isolate for all confounding variables, it's like the amount of love and relationships in your life. And even alcohol, that's kind of like a hot topic now. But like, for people who say that alcohol is a poison or alcohol is a toxin, like, they're right. It is. I mean, so is sourdough bread. So are most plants that you consume based on what I was talking about earlier with the carnivore diet and plants not having their own defense mechanism. So they have to like attack you from the inside out after you eat them. Way back in the day, I interviewed this author, Joe Robinson, wrote this book called Eat on the Wild Side. And she even described how kale, when you rip it up before you eat it, if you let it sit for a little while, the antioxidants become more concentrated because the kale thinks it's being eaten by a wild animal.

And it's releasing more of these plant defense mechanisms. And the idea is that in moderation, like subjecting yourself to these mild amounts of stress throughout the day, like whether it be like kale or bread or alcohol or whatever, like you're causing your body to create more. of its own endogenous antioxidants. Like you're training cellular resilience. So when you get in the sauna, yeah, you'd be dead if you stay in there for two and a half hours or at least you'd be severely electrolyte depleted. But by giving yourself a brief bout of stress during which if you measure it, like your blood glucose, spikes, your heart rate variability drops, like a bunch of stuff that looks

kind of shitty happens in the sauna. But then the long term effects of that is increased heat and increased stress resilience. Rinse wash repeat for the cold, for lifting. heavy stuff, for breathing hard, for eating plants that have the toxins in them. So even alcohol, when you have a glass of wine, like your body makes things like glutathione peroxideis and superoxide dismutase and all these endogenous antioxidants that actually help you to quell free radicals and help you to fight inflammation better. But then if you look at somebody who says that like alcohol is bad for you, they're not differentiating between seven drinks a week being like a bender

on a Saturday night with seven, you know, servings of alcohol versus like a glass of organic biodynamic wine each night with your family at the dinner table. So back to like the blue zones, the sentinarians. You know, I know there's a lot of controversy around like was the birth record data falsified. And I know there's a little bit of like a vegan bent by the author, you know, selectively choosing like plant-based communities primarily for that. You do see a high amount of mild exposure to natural hormetic stressors spread throughout the day combined with being around people and love and relationships to a great extent. So I think of like if you're going to nail the health game, those are the main things to do. Like don't just lifts, don't just do sauna, don't just do

cold, don't just eat plants, just like spread out hormetic stress throughout the day and then be with people as much as you possibly can when it comes to having things like dinner parties or social events or times when you're not just like in monk mode taking care of yourself. I like that. Social and alcohol, man. That's how you fixed it all. JP, what was the question you had last week when we were talking about creatine?

Oh, yeah. Just how I feel like when creatine first came on the scene, you know, it was right around, Will and I were talking like the time that we're like learning how to weight lift and everyone's like, oh, we're doing creatine. Oh, yeah. You kind of just get jacked and buff

and that's all we knew about it. Her parents thought it was a steroid. Yeah, yeah. And now you fast forward and it's like all these things, how beneficial it is for your brain and the mind. Yeah. Speak to that at all.

Yeah, yeah, it is kind of cool because creatine, you know, CP, creatine phosphate, you know, I've talked about ATP a few times today. And when you break down ATP and you have ADP leftover, you got to like refosphorlate ADP and creatine phosphate like donates the phosphate group for that to happen, right? So you're replenishing your ATP levels more quickly. But if you look at replenishment of ATP levels or in some cases like a brief sprint, like 10 seconds or less, you're not even like producing or reproducing more ATP. you're just like burning that creatine phosphate right out of the bat. Like you go through levels when you're exercising where you're just burning creatine phosphate, then you move on to ATP and glucose, then glycolysis and eventually fats. But for the longest time, it was like the strength power molecule specifically for

activities where you just got to turn out an extra rep or do a very quick sprint of 10 seconds or less. And then based on the mechanism of action of it being able to replenish ATP, that's when it started getting looked into as a potential aid for combating the effects of sleep deprivation, which is where a lot of the cognitive benefits have been shown to take place. It's not, in the average person on the average day, well slept, taking 10 to 20 grams, slightly higher amount of creatine than the normally recommended 5 grams would benefit from, but the person who's actually sleep deprived, the person who's actually beat up.

And then, you know, now it's being looked at for everything from like hair health, the cognition, sleep deprivation piece, still the strength and Powerpiece, injuries, like considering how cheap and safe and widely available it is and how maybe if your kidney compromised, it would be one to rethink just because of how it gets broken down into creatinine. It's got a lot going for it, and it's not expensive. Like the only thing you have to worry about, in my opinion, or, you know, the recent consumer reports that creatine itself isn't the problem. But, you know, kind of like nicotine, like what it's in might be the problem. Like if it's got metals or if it wasn't stored properly in a facility or has extra. or things added to it, et cetera.

But for the most part, yeah, I've been a five gram a day or for a long time and on days where I need a little bit more of a mental push, 10 to 20. And just basically, like there's like creatine HCL and blah, like just pure, plain Jane, creatine monohydrate. Like if you can get the creopure. Creepere is like their,

creopure is basically a version of creatine that sold the supplement manufacturers who then make their supplement. Like Thorne uses creopure. you know, or, um, or like for curcumin used mariva. That's just a form of curcumin. KSM 66 is a form of ashwaganda. So if you look at your supplement label and you see like all those weird names,

those are just people who have like patented or own the rights to that form of the molecule, then selling it to the supplement company who puts it in the supplement. And if they're paying for it, they're going to put on the label because that's considered to be like a superior form. And for creatine, it's crepe pure. That's the one that's kind of like known to be the more pure version. the number one version. I love it, man. You want him with the BLQ?

Can I ask one question real quick? Go ahead, Jack. I've been type one diabetic for 13 years and curious if you've done or seen any of the research and the studies coming out with the islet cell transplants that are going on that are making people insulin independent now. Yeah, it's interesting that the islet cells, you know, basically if you look at the pancreatic beta cells and degradation of those either from an autoimmune disorder or because of a genetic type 1 diabetic issue.

If those cells aren't working properly, it's not that you aren't sensitive to insulin because you've been eating sugar your whole life. It's like your body's just not producing the actual insulin. So if you can get some kind of like an isolate cell regeneration, you would fix that issue. Now there's an interesting company called Verda Health and they've actually done some studies on like very, very low carb,

ketogenic diets, which for the reasons I was describing earlier, you do have to be careful with. but for medical management, there appears to be something to it because they see pancreatic beta cell regeneration in people who just like avoid glucose for a long enough period of time. So I think there's something too. I mean, as far as like transplantation or other methods to regenerate, you know, I would imagine there's probably something also to the whole like stem cell filled and using stem

cells directly targeted at organs is something that's being done a lot more now. But I definitely think there's something to it. Yeah, I've just seen, it seems really difficult right now. I've looked into a bunch of studies to get on a list to see if it's even no potential for myself. But I've seen, I follow this woman on Instagram who's now like 110 days plus insulin-free, which is incredible. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. I never thought that there would be a cure in my lifetime.

And especially if you want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole with the FDA and how much money is charted through so much of the stuff, if they even want to find the cure, obviously I'm not going to go down that. But yeah, it seems like the accessibility. is not there either for especially a lot of Americans who don't have the financial means to pay for this because it's not they're going through clinical trials I believe but yeah I just don't know if it's like a waste of time to you I don't think it's a waste of time I think in the in the absence of being able to get access to it affordably or excessively like looking at some of the protocols that vert health is doing as far as like carb restriction and even the use of exogenous ketones which are pretty powerful for that that's one thing to look into and then um

Yeah, it is kind of interesting, though, like the alternative narrative or conspiracy theory piece of it. It's like a lot of people talk about peptides now. I mean, what has probably been one of the most profitable peptides of all time besides GLP1s is insulin, right? Yeah. So it's, you know, peptides aren't anything new. It's just like we've got a whole bunch of new urges of now. That's wild. Yeah, it's a private.

They own the formula for insulin, Eli Lully. So, yeah, it's a tough one. Yeah. We have a Bud Lake question for you because you know. People would do anything for an ice cold bud light. You know me. What would Ben Greenfield do anything for? So we've had people say, go to space.

Wait, what would I do anything for a cold bud light? No, what would you do just anything for that thing? Because we already know blanket. Blanket statement, people would do anything for a bud light. So that's off the table. Can't say family. We've had people say they love a nice steak dinner. We've had people say they love to go back in time and see the dinosaurs.

Devante Adams said, go to space. Correct. Yeah. Steve Renella said he'd do anything. Like before he's done, he's going to do anything to create this documentary on a hunt that he had. And he would not speak on it, but told us about after. Yeah. Pretty awesome.

Yep. Yep. Man. Um, all right. So I'm going to, I'm going to sound pretty cheap and shallow here. But on a father's day and on my birthday, I guess. what's basically just like my last meal. It'll be like my death row meal for sure.

God forbid that ever happens. And it's two things. Number one is this massive bone-in French cut rib eye, grass-fed grass-finch, of course, from a farm in Missouri, U.S. Wellness Meets. And my wife does reverse sear on it. It's probably about a, I would say probably about a 24-ounce. and it's just melt in your mouth incredible. And then her and my son is roll up their sleeves

and they make me this amazing like walnut, carrot, like colostrum cream cheese frosting, carrot cake. That's also just like to die for. And that's the one that I just like can't. If it's in the fridge, that's just what I'm eating from breakfast lunch and better. So I would say that steak and carrot cake dinner just like right there fresh made on the table right in front of me there there's a lot of people

standing between me and that carrot cake that would have to be very careful with their lives to hell yes it's a big green yeah twice a year I get that meal twice a year when's your birthday yeah yeah December 20 okay so it's a good space it's a yeah what's a go-to fast food meal what's a go-to fast food spot you hit man you know I don't do a whole lot of fast food it's not because I haven't identified fast food that is, it's not like not identified healthy fast food. Because I know there's healthy fast food out there. Like, you know, whatever, like Kidoba or what's the other chicken one?

Chipotle. Yeah, Chipotle. It's just very, very rare that I go out to eat anymore because I'm out in the sticks in the middle of nowhere. I live in a little town of 125 people out in Idaho. There's no gas station. There's no grocery store. And there's a few little restaurants like in a nearby town in Moscow, Idaho, but I don't even get out to restaurants that much. And then when I travel, like, I just like, I have a rotisserie chicken and some yogurt and some dark chocolate and blueberries back in my, like, mini cooler in the hotel room.

And I'm not even like stopping much to eat fast food. I'm trying to think of the last time that I even went to a place that would be considered fast food. Because like, whatever, like last night when I got in, I Uber ate some true food kitchen to my hotel room. But that doesn't really count as fast food. Yeah, truth, but I'll tell you what, they get the Cisco cars outside. You're talking like traditional McDonald's, BK, Taco Bell. Is there one that you were on heavy back in the day that you're like, Oh yeah, I can tell you every single day, like on the way to tennis practice,

I would get a Big Mac, supersized, Dr. Pepper, fries, that was pretty much the go-to, like probably like five or six days a week, and then Butterfinger, Dairy Queen Blizzard. Who? I'll take you, blizzards. Blizzards don't mess around. Yeah. Yeah, but not a whole lot of that these days. Have you had Panda Express?

Yeah, I have had Panxpress. It's been a little while. It's been a little while, yeah. I see you, sure. We get that. You don't ever scratch that itch when you're out traveling. I mean, it's not that I don't scratch that itch. Is that that itch just like isn't there?

Kind of faded. It's like, yeah. What is your vice? I get access to such good food. My vice. I would say, I would say lately my wife and I have gotten sucked down

the nostalgic watching office reruns on YouTube rabbit hole and I've probably wasted in the past month somewhere in the range of like six to seven hours laying in bed with my wife past our bedtime watching the office. Just blue light beating you in the face. Just like blue light.

Actually the phone's dimmed and we're still doing it. He's like I get the red light helmet out. We're just watching it. Sleep like a baby. 50 layers. Michael Scott. You know, when you said superstitious,

I almost said little stitious. Yeah, yeah, that's a good pull. That's a good pull right there. The vices, man. What about your, what about your boys? I mean, I guess you're not really around fast food.

You know what? You know what? They do. Some habits that you like. So the agreement with them, the agreement with them, because, because, I mean,

they get all sorts of stuff just like being out and about in the town. And I've certainly found their car just full of stuff before. But if they decide that they're going to begin bringing junk food and vast quantities into the house. And I did find it at one point. Like I'd been gone for a while. I walked to my son's room and it was just like Doritos and Pringles.

Not in this fucking house. At least 12 different quickly packages. And I walked in. He was sitting there on the bed. And so sometimes you say things as a dad that you think are really smart and he just wonder afterwards if you just effed your son up or not. But I walked in. I looked at just like his entire workspace just covered in junk food and I looked at him just like over laying on his bed dinking around his phone they're 18 years old and uh I said well son like I'm

fine if you want to if you want to eat all that food and have that stuff around here um but the main thing that I'm going to need you to do is I'll send you the email with our health insurance premiums and the health insurance and your people. paying your own health insurance starting next month if your room's going to look like this going forward. So I'm fine with you eating that, but you're paying for your health insurance, not me. And he just said okay and he cleaned it all up and I didn't really notice it much after that. So I just decided I would have him put his money where his mouth is. And I have no clue if that was good parenting or not. That was the one thing I could think of. No, no,

he's not taking over paying his health insurance premium. So he didn't clean up. He's been a good 18-year-old and hiding the snickers from the end up. And they had enough really good food around the house anyways. I mean, we got, we got good food. Yeah. I mean, between, like, our hunting, what we get from farms, we get like a, we're on like a fish quarterly and olive oil quarterly and wine quarterly and we get all sorts of things. Sometimes you see it back at Doritos, man. Yeah. Yeah. Even Doritos, like I got those masa chips and the vandy chips. You guys see these things? Like, beef tallow fried. They're unreal. They are so good. And then if you put them in the oven, like I'll do that sometimes with lunch. Just put just a handful of them like for about 15 minutes in the

oven around 300 degrees. Like reheat them. They're incredible. But sometimes you need to walk in the gas station back. I'm going to fuck up out. Hey, you are 100% right. Because there's like, hey, we go hunting and we have all this best food. Look at this, how good this steak is. And it's like, that's awesome. And I'm sure people that have fast food all the time go get that.

They're like, oh, this is incredible. But if you're so used to that, there's something about a sloppy, dry-through spot. It's greasy and disgusting. Forget the Maya Soka chips, dude. Myat-Saka. I probably have four Diet Coke's on the way here yesterday. There we go. There is.

All right, okay. Now, if you look at the sweetener, and I'm going to blank now is the A1s, acetylphamid potassium or spartamine, one of the two. But anyways, so Diet Coke got shoved under the bus for being carcinogenic, based on the artificial sweetener. Hell yeah. But this is back to the study thing. If you actually look at the studies on Diet Coke,

you have to have about 77 servings worth per day to actually induce that carcinogenic risk. Shout out the sevens. And there's one other study that showed that the type of sweetener that they use in it seemed to induce anxiety in the offspring of mice. who were fed that sweetener to the human equivalent of about three Diet Coke a day. There was like some kind of like a weird epigenetic triggering of anxiety in the office,

which to me is a little more concerning because that's a lot fewer. But still, like it's rare that I would be having three Diet Coke a day regularly day after day. But for some reason when I travel, something about the taste and the carbonation flavor of Diet Coke.

Also, what's a mouse look like with anxiety? You know? I don't know. How can you look at a mouse and go, yeah, he's dealing with something. with soft spring quivering whiskers it's climbing up the side of the cage I don't know heart rate spikes or something

like that diet coke man he's gonna get back back dead you've been pounding some diet coke so yeah yeah he'll be like it looks like you're paying the premium with his diet coax he's gonna make how you do anxiety yeah man man this has been awesome man yeah we really do appreciate you coming on

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