Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Brian Callahan On Taking Over The Titans From Mike Vrabel

Episode Date: August 23, 2025

Will and Taylor were joined by the new Head Coach of the Tennessee Titans, Brian Callahan. The guys immediately dove into what went into the process of hiring his dad, Bill Callahan, as the Titans’ offensive line coach — a long-debated topic between him and his father. They then got into Coach Callahan’s coaching journey, touching on all the stops he had been to, the most influential places he had worked, and what his big break was. Coach also talked about what it was like becoming the head coach for the Titans. Everyone knew he was taking over from Mike Vrabel, and he explained the things he wanted to keep the same while also detailing the new approaches he and his staff would be implementing. The Titans looked to have found another great coach, and Callahan gave fans something to look forward to as he laid out his expectations for the season. After this interview, you couldn’t help but think that the Titans were in great hands. Enjoy, fellas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On this episode of Best of the Bus, we're throwing it back to when the Titans hired a new head coach. That new head coach, Brian Callan. He came on the bus shortly after he landed his job. Coach dived into his decision and was bringing his dad, Bill Callahan, on board as the O-Line coach, and shares how the conversation played out behind the scenes. We talked through his coaching journey, every stop, every lesson. and what it takes stepping into the role after Mike Vrable, who is widely loved by the fan base.

Callahan breaks down his plan of what he's going to keep from the culture and what's changing and why Titans fans should be fired up for the future. Enjoy this episode, boys, big hugs, tiny kisses, subscribe on subscribe on subscriber, re-subscribe. Before we jumped on here, we were on the other side talking about Coach Bill Callahan's individual. Yes. And Taylor was asking Coach Brian.

Did I call you Coach Brian? Or did they call you Coach Callahan? Coach Callahan. BC? You want to know. know most of them call most of them call me callie callie yeah okay that's got a little extra english on i like that that is nice it's it's it's it's what most people have called me most of my coaching career yeah and um but yeah coach works callly works i will tell you people don't call me brian very often

that's a weird one for me okay mr callie it is then yeah mr callie it is then yeah i was talking to callie about the individual of uh coach brian callahan and i was like oh yeah sometimes in our individual linebacker drills in washington i'd be like all right water break and then we'd be Yeah, let's go watch the, let's go watch the hogs is ending. We just stand across the field and watch them. They'd just be dying. The whole time. It's so funny, bro.

God. He's a... Coach Callan's a grinder. He gets it out of you. Coach Bill Callahan. Yeah, Coach Bill Callahan. Yeah, absolutely. What was...

Go ahead. I was just going to say, whatever timeframes that you get, any constraints, you're juicing as much all the seconds. You're getting it out of the voice. Has he been like that always? As long as you can remember. Always. Yeah, always.

He's always been full tilt all the time. And that's, how you get I mean that's how guys get better I mean you like we were watching yesterday I think they might have done 40 or 50 different pass sets and they film every one of them and he cuts every one of them up to each guy so you could watch all your reps for the whole day and see how you progressed during a day and got better but yeah it's every usable second he uses it doesn't ever stop what's his philosophy on pass sets because a lot of coaches come in they're like we do it one way and one way only is he let the guys the boys do what they want they well he he's he coaches the technical

that he's looking for. But there's a lot of variance in the set, the set angles. If you're jump setting versus a, we call it a Congo set versus an angle set, there's, there's all kinds of variation that they use all the time. And there is some, like, that's one of the things that I think he does great is he's able to have a conversation with a guy maybe that's played 10 years and say, well, have you done it? And find ways to work with them on what fits, as long as they're still getting the job done. Yeah.

He's open to listen in the guys' talk. But he's a very particular way about how he coaches it. Dude, that's so awesome how the old dogs are willing to still learn and do all that. Because you get some of those old school cats, they'll come in and be like, you do it this way and this way only. One guy, have you ever met Russ Grimm? I have not met him. I know him.

I can't say that. I know him well. I was with Russ for two years. Greatest offensive line coach I've ever had in my entire life. Yeah. And he comes in the first meeting and he's like, talk to me about stutter. I don't know if he has a stutter open, open side pull scheme. And I'm like, okay, if it's a three technique, you do this to the mind.

and if not then you're this he's like whoa doce or through the mic that's it I was all right what step is like just get to the mic or do the deuce and he just like instead of having to over explain every small detail he was like just know what your job is and go get that done the best way you can possibly do it yeah I'll help you along the way and he was huge for my career yeah keep it simple stupid yeah there's something to do that yeah there's something to do that it's I think the cool thing for like like old coaches like my dad's not that old I guess but he's kind of old enough he's older yeah he's old gentleman and uh what's been super impressive about him is his ability to go from like being that old like the old old school style of coaching

and he's really adapted how he approaches today's players i mean it's different now even than when when you guys played um coming in i mean you think about 10 years ago how much different the generation is and his ability to relate to those guys and still connect with them and coaches him hard as hell but they all know that he cares about him No one, knowing that you've seen him kind of adapt and develop with those times. Is there anything that you've asked him on like, you know, noticing that difference and him understanding that he has changed? Yeah, I think there's a, and I think one of the things that jumped out was, you know,

they drafted DeWan James last year in Cleveland. And it was just, he's just a very different than the guys that he's been on. And a long time ago, he might have coached Duan a very different way. And ultimately, it might not have worked very well. and just to see him adapt and know that maybe the way that I'm approaching this, DeWan's not going to respond to me yelling and screaming and get in his face. I got to be, it's positive and encouraging and trying to point out that these are the things that can help you. And if you want to make a lot of money, here's how you do it.

Right. And he appeals, he knows how to appeal to guys a lot of different ways. He knows the motivations. I think, I mean, he's a master coach. He's got every way to relate that you can relate in the book. And I ask him all the time. I'm like, well, what made you do that? Why did you do that in this case and not that case?

And it's because he knows the player and he knows how to make it work. When you get this job at the Tennessee Titans and you call your old man, say, I want you to be the old line coach for my ball club. How did that all go down? It was cool. The backstory is I interviewed for two jobs the year before that had gone, oh, well, a ways down the road. I felt like I was in the mix and I had a conversation with him. and I said, you know, do we want to do this?

I've never worked for my dad. Never, he, I never worked for him at any point. There had been some chances where I might have, we might have connected on staff together. I just never worked out. So I've never spent any time with him in the coaching profession. And so I asked him this question a year ago, and he was like, no, I don't think I want to do that.

Really? Yeah, well, I mean, you think about. I'm trying to picture his voice too. Yeah. But you think about, you know, there's a lot that goes into Father Einstein working together. And this would be, this is the first time that I think a son has ever hired their father in a substantial role like that.

You know, it's like Kyle Shanahan, Mike's always been around, but he never hired him in an official. Like, it wasn't like Mike Shanahan was Kyle's coordinator. Right. If that makes sense. It's kind of a really unique setup. And so, you know, we had to work through all those things. Like my dad's like, I'm not for everybody. What if you don't like the way I code?

You know what I mean? And you have to have those conversations. And so we did. And ultimately, he was like, I just think I really like. Cleveland. I like Kevin Stefanski and I'm happy here. I like the guys in the room. I don't really want to leave. I understand. And so I kind of just assumed that was going to be the case as this process went along. And so as I interviewed, I was everybody asked like, well, you know, is your dad coming with you? I'm like, no. He's not. I mean, we had the conversation. It's probably not going to

happen. And I didn't think it would. And all of a sudden, I get the job. And I call him and tell him I got it. And he calls the next day. And he's like, let me think about some things. And I'll, I'll call back. Hold on. I was like, okay. You call them say I got the job. Bills negotiate. No, no, I mean, that initial conversation was like absolutely thrilled. We didn't have it in that moment. Yeah, yeah. But you know, yeah, you guys have a conversation, hey, I got the job. Proud of you, son, tears in both of your guys's eyes. Sure, absolutely. The next day he calls you and without any context, goes, let me think about coming to help you out. Yeah. I love that. It was. That is awesome. And I think it just became one, became much more real for him in that moment. And, and I think had it been the year prior,

I think the answer still would have been no. But having it happened in real time and him going, man, this is a, what a unique opportunity to go try to help my son succeed. And I think I'd want to be a part of that. And so I'll go have my press conference and we were kind of talking back and forth. And after the press conference, he was like, this is, I want to make, I want to do this. We need to do this. It'll be really pretty fun. And it's been maybe the coolest experience of my coaching career is to be able to go to work with my dad every day.

It's been pretty sweet. Dude, you had an incredible, like, presser when you're talking about coaching with your dad. Like, there was a lot of perspective, a lot of just like, you can tell when you say that, like, you genuinely mean it. Oh, yeah. Was there a reason that you guys, that you guys were never on the same staff? Is there something about, say, maybe yourself, where it's like, hey, I don't want to be known this way. I don't want to feel like I get any handouts from somebody who's already been there, done that.

Yeah, all of that's true. One of the things I had finished, my dad was at Nebraska at the time. I was just finishing my playing career. and he goes, he said, look, you can come to Nebraska and you can be a GA here for me. If you want to do that, I have a spot, you can come do that.

He goes, but what I would recommend to you is you've been at UCLA for four years. You know the people there, you know the place. They have also said, we'd love to have you in this role if you want to come when you graduate and be a GA here at UCLA. And my dad was like,

I really think you should stay at UCLA. And in that moment, I was like, like, damn, dad. But the best advice he had ever given, me was he goes, start and make, make your own way. He goes, it's already, you're already going to get all these, you know, all the nepotism and all stuff that goes around coaching where it's like, he goes, but you, I didn't give you your first job. And he goes, that will matter at some point for you. And I want you to make your own way and make your own connections and meet your

own people that can help you as opposed to me being the one to do it. And I think that was the best advice he could have given me. And it probably was the best thing that happened. He was not going to work for my dad and staying where I was. At any point, were you guys close to working together in the past? No, nothing that came up. You know, when we first got to Cincinnati, there was some, there was a chance that maybe it could have worked out, but it's Zach's first job, and he wants to hire the people that he wanted to hire.

And it never got. It was never more than like a curiosity. Like, oh, I wonder if that would work. And it just, he was still in Washington at the time. And it was all, he was, again, happy where he's at. He's got a good line there. It was no big deal. So it never, never went any further than a curiosity.

But no, we've never been really close at any point to working together, which is kind of crazy to think. Yeah. Talk about how you cut your teeth into the business, being a GA at UCLA and moving on from that role. Yeah. Typical GA stuff, man. I made coffee and got people food and worked long hours. And, you know, we had a really good. good staff there at UCLA, which someday someone will write a story about it. But Eric Banyman was the

running backs coach. John Embry was our tight ends coach. Dino Babers was the receivers coach. Tom Cable was the office coordinator. Jim Sabota was a quarterback's coach. We had all these guys that all went on to be head coaches, you know, within a certain period of time and a really dynamic staff, all these. And so I got to learn from all these guys as a really young coach, which is probably a huge reason of why that experience was so good for me. But man, it was a, it's a grind. GA life is, is, uh, is not for everybody. And back then that was, you only had two GAs that could be on the field.

And so it was like, it was two or three guys that did everything. Now you have all these analysts and there's all this different stuff that they didn't have back then by rule. You couldn't have anybody else. Couldn't legally have anybody on, but. It depends on where you went. UCLA. Maybe not at UCLA.

I can guarantee you that. Really? Oh, yeah. Followers at the Bruins, huh? Yeah, it was me. In fact, the GAs there were me, Clark Lee, head coach at Vanderbilt, Ryan Ficken, who's been in the NFL for quite some time as a special team's coordinator. And Phil Raucher, who's the line coach at the Jags.

And so it was a bunch of guys, like we were all young coaches, and we've all had these pretty good careers. But that was all we had. And we had to do every, we did everything. Really? I mean, operation stuff. Griding all the tape, breaking it all down. Breaking all the tape down before all the PFF data got supplied to everybody.

I mean, you had to break down the down and distance. You didn't know what personnel was in the field. You couldn't see the jersey numbers because the tape wasn't in HD. It's just a whole different way of doing things than it is now. But it was a lot of work. It was hard. So UCLA didn't look over at the SEC and go, you know, they got a lot of guys over there. Maybe we should do a couple of things, too.

No. Rule followers. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or they just didn't have the, you know. It is a public university. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, but UCLA is a nice area. It's Pasadena. For sure. But as far as, like, calling the shots, the big wigs. Like, hey, football, football over everything, we'll find a way. Yeah. Very academically driven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very academically. Not every school can do both, like Michigan. It is, you're right. From a sports standpoint. Finding all the edges, yeah, signals. You brought up a PFF. What's your stance on PFF's rating system? I think there's value in a baseline.

Like, there is some things that you can, you can look at it, and there's a number that they assigned to, particularly to some positions, are really hard for like the average person to have any idea what is good and bad. But as far as like, is it the end all, be all in the grading system? Not at all. I mean, it's you got to watch the game. You have to understand assignments. And they've gotten better. I will say like the grading system has gotten better over the years. They've refined it. I use it more for some of the, just the amount of data that they have. I can go, let me see every

screen from every team for the last four years and I can pull them all up and watch them all. Yeah. And that's where the value and that is for me. the grades, I don't really, you know, I don't really put a whole lot of stock in the grades. It feels like they'll probably use the grades, like have that there. And then obviously every team does their own and then I'm sure that they can carry in the dress a little bit.

Yeah, there's a benchmark. I mean, it does give you, it is a halfway accurate depiction of what a good and bad might look like, you know what I mean. Yeah, if it's cut and dry, but the gray areas, I feel like it's where PFF, because they're not there with the language of the play call and what the exact technique is supposed to do.

Taylor needs BFF. I don't hate PFF at all. But there was a, like, there was a time where players, players in the locker room and the Titans were, like, kind of worried that if their PFF grade was bad, that teams and coaches were looking at that. Do coaches look at the PFF grade ever and go, hey, no, no, no. Maybe we should, maybe we're doing something wrong? No, I don't think so. I've never looked at it like that. Yeah. I've not been around anybody that ever has used that as like, that's our grade for a player. You still grade a player. Watch the tape and understand what's being asked systematically as well. other than just, hey, this guy graded at a 82.6. Like, I don't know what that means. It's a solid number. That's a good number. If you got the 82.6, yeah, it's a solid number. You wouldn't be so mad about it. Right. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt.

It would be the time where you feel strongly about PFF, but then you grade out well. So then it's like, all right, where are you going to stand? You know what I mean? Like, say you hate PFF, but they're getting you're 95. It's like, well, I mean, I did have a situation. They might be honest on something. Yeah, yeah. I had a situation in 2016. team where they were grading me well and then paul carerski and the the group of the titans and news guys were like how do you feel about that i i took a stance then there they don't they don't run the show yeah they don't run the show big quickly my grades went down so i don't know yeah that's where they might be something yeah might be a little bit of ticking over there at pf yeah with your throughout your coaching journey you've been at some cool spots which spot or stop that you've been at

has you feel like has been the most pivotal for where you are now um kind of all all for different reasons have been really, really influential. The two of the most are my time in Denver with Peyton Manning for four of those six years I was there. And then the journey in Cincinnati from where we started to where we ended up. Those two spots were probably the most because they're the longest days I had. They were the most influential. Obviously being around Peyton Manning for any amount of time is a blessing in and of itself. But yeah, that was like a Ph.D quarterback.

We grow him here at the bus. The fly that keeps flying around. We do fly farming. Look, you don't have any cicadas in here yet. I know. They're everywhere out here. Dude, watching Peyton in that last year where you necessarily couldn't throw it beyond five, ten yards.

What was it like sitting back? Well, confidence words. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd say it. Well, watching him operate from being more limited than he ever has. Yeah. It was really, it was a wild year because we had just transitioned from, in a Gary Kubiak was the head coach. and he brought that whole system, which was vastly different from the one that he had run for the better part of 18 years at that point.

And so there was a big back and forth there. He had gotten injured that year and missed a bunch of time. And then came back for the playoffs at the very end. Brock Oswald, I think, had thrown a couple interceptions and they replaced him at halftime right at the very end of the season in like a must-win game against the Chargers. And then he ended up playing the playoffs. It was just it was a roller coaster season. It was a lot of ups and downs. but what the cool part was you saw

what made him so great was his ability to process and know what to do and when to do it in the moment like it was unbelievable. And even with a diminishing physical skill set, he wasn't what he was when he was in his 20s, it was unbelievable what he pulled off

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Like I've had teammates who have played with him. They're like, you know, if a tight end drops a ball, he'll take the, he'll remove the tight end. Even if you're back there like, oh, no, get back out there. The sheriff's like, no, no, give me somebody else who's going to catch the ball. be dependable in these moments. Like, what was he like watching operator? That's what it was. It was a standard.

And it's actually funny we're having a conversation today about guys that are like, that get to that point in their careers, um, that have the peltz on the wall and the experience. But on top of that, the pressure, you know, the expectation is that they're going to win every game, um, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees. Those guys get to a certain point in their career where they don't allow anything other than what the highest standard is. possible, and if you don't meet it, you're not going to be playing with him.

And that's how he operated. And I appreciated that because he's got all the pressure. I got to do my part. And if I'm going to do all this, then I'm going to make sure that everybody around me is at the same level that I am. And I thought that was a really cool thing to witness in person. But that's how it would be. If you missed an assignment, he was particularly ruthless on like running backs and protection. and he had to be able to trust him to do

because he didn't, you know, they don't want to get hit. Right. And if they missed an assignment, it was like, give me the next one. Or like, if he's coming in to the game,

I'll come out. You know, like, yeah. It was that intensity. And the expectation was. If he's coming into the game, Coach Kelly,

you don't put him in the game, I'll be out. Yeah. If I see him coming on the field, you'll see me walking off. Yeah. So that part was just, it's just a demand of the standard

of what you expect every day. And it was awesome. And again, everybody rose to meet it. You know, we had young players and Eric Decker and Demaris Thomas and C.J. Anderson. I mean, we had some guys that were unproven at the time that he helped make what they became. And it was a really cool process to be a part of, man. He's unlike anybody I've ever been around.

What's it like with the coaches during practice when he's sending a guy away and the coach is like, no, you're in? And there's like this kind of this battle of egos between the sheriff and a coach. Is it get uncomfortable at all? Is there like in the meeting room like this fucking guy? You know who's calling the shots. Can we be honest about it? Yeah, if he doesn't want a man, he's not going to be in. Coaches aren't saying a word like, yeah, yeah, you're probably right.

18s. I mean, that's just what it was. And that's why, and you, and you, and it wasn't like that all the time, but like, there was, there was a standard. And if you didn't meet it, the expectation was that you wouldn't be, you wouldn't be there playing with them. But that's also what drove guys to be even better than they thought they could be, was because they wanted to be a part of it.

and they wanted to be in that mode they wanted to be accounted on and it's amazing what happens when you got a guy making sure that you better do it right or you can't be counted. It drives you to be great, truthfully. So you had Peyton Manning

and then you go to Cincinnati and you get blessed with Joe Cool, Joe Burrow. Yeah. What is Joe... Even the staff in Detroit. I was to say, the two years in Detroit were phenomenal. Slingers.

I, God, Matthews, talk about an underrated, man. Like, I think he's one of the best quarterbacks in football and has been for a long time. And I think he finally gets his due, but there was a while there where he didn't. And he might be one of the toughest players I've ever been around. And one of the most crazy, talented quarterbacks that I've seen play. I mean, he's unbelievable.

That clip of them in like a two-minute drive to win the game and he like gets his shoulder out or something like that. And he's on the sideline. That was early in his career. Yeah. Yes. That was like just one of the cooler things you see a quarterback do. Because he's like hurt and he's like, I'll do it.

And he throws a touchdown. The game's over. where they win his like shoulders. Bro, I think it was bro. I think he broke his collarbone. No shit. Yeah, I think that's what it was. If I remember correctly.

Yeah. But yeah, he's a, you want to talk about, I mean, you guys know, the things that guys play through that people don't know about is, it would be shocking,

I think, if people knew what guys dealt with during a football season and the things that he played through and the toughness that he had, it was, it might be the toughest guy I've ever seen. I mean, truthfully,

he's unbelievable. Oh, yeah, he is hard-nosed. tough as I'll get out and he's an awesome guy to be around. I don't know how much time you guys have spent with him, but I don't think I've met him. He's phenomenal. You just hear the stories just like that all the time. Why do you think he was still underrated for so long just because the, they didn't win.

They didn't win. Yeah, they didn't win enough, you know. And that's, again, it's a, the wins tend to become a quarterback stat, which they probably shouldn't be. But there, he was on teams that were probably on the, on the brink and could never quite get over that hump. And then obviously he goes to L.A. And he's been lightning on fire since every time.

I mean, he's been unbelievable there. He wins the Super Bowl. Although, like, he's finally getting his due as a player. But he was that player before he got to L.A. He just didn't probably get the recognition for it. And then you get Joe B. Yes. Yeah.

You've been around some cats. I've been very lucky. I've been very lucky. Matt Stafford. Joe Burrow. What are the similarities that all three of those guys have? And then you talked about a little bit. on the way that staff was, Peyton was,

and then also some differences with Joe B. Yeah, I think it was very different because Peyton was obviously going in, I think when he came to Denver, that was like year 15. When I was with Matthew, I think Matthew was going into like 7, 8, 7, 8, 9, 10, somewhere he had been playing for a couple of years.

And then having Joe was different as Joe was a rookie. Obviously, highly regarded, and his reputation preceded him when he got drafted, but he was still a rookie. And so that was a rookie. a really fun process to try to help that development from being a rookie. And as you guys know, rookies are, no matter how good they are, still takes some time. But to see him become everything

that we thought he could become and he knew he could become was pretty awesome. And that's because he shares a lot of the same traits that Peyton and Matthew have in terms of there's just an edge to the, there's just something about those guys. And you know it when you see it, where they just don't accept anything other than the best. And there is no such thing as failure. Like they do not, they won't fail. They can't fail. And there's a willpower in that, I think.

That's kind of the baseline of who they are. And then there's a drive to be the best there is. Yeah. And there's just, and then he has the ability to deliver on it, which is pretty cool. Very different personality than Peyton and Matthew. Right. They're all very unique, but they share that commonality where

they're at their core they are they are assassins when did you when Joe when Joe walks into the the Bengals franchise and you say it takes rookies doesn't matter how good they are takes them a little bit of time when did you know okay we got the franchise quarterback probably about halfway through that first year where you're still kind of figuring some things out obviously it's a COVID year so it's even more challenging so he has no off season we don't have any OTAs it's all virtual God, imagine picking up a playbook. Yeah. That'd be so hard.

And then there's no fans in the stadium. So his first game, we play the Chargers. And this was the game where Tyrod got injected and they punched his lung. So then it was Herbert and him playing. And Joe goes down at the very end of the game. It would have been like the legend of Joe Burrow would have only grown. End of the game goes down and throws a fade stop to AJ Green in the corner. or the end zone and they call us for OPI.

So the game winning touchdown gets called back. So we go kick a field goal to tie it and our kicker cramped and missed the game winning field goal. There's nobody in the stands cramps and we miss. And so here's this like here's this like busting out of the scene. Here comes Joe Burrow. Come back win, last minute win in his first start. And it just, it isn't.

Yeah. And it was like, that's unfortunate. You saw a glimpse of that in that drive. like, oh, this guy is going to be pretty good, I think. And then each game he successfully got better. And I think the one game you played in, potentially, I think, Tennessee came to Cincinnati and we had lost, I think we had five new starters up front. And then we'd signed Quentin Spain on Friday, and he started at Left Guard.

Q Spain. On Sunday. Q Spain. Yes. And so. Bid Bear. We had a guy that hadn't practiced with us, and we had five new starters. And that was the game where Joe sort of took it on.

and took it on his back and we ended up winning the game we played pretty well and it was that game when it was like he's arrived this is the guy he is what we thought he was going to be and then he goes and plays good for another i think maybe one more week to more weeks and he gets hurt in washington and tears his knee up and so the season but he was we were hitting this rise we were we were going to win uh i think we would have won a handful of games on a stretch and i think people would look like oh here he comes but he gets hurt and it's not nobody knows how good he's really going to be and he ultimately sacrificed his knee for Jamar Chase because that allowed us we were not very good after that and we picked Jamar the next year at the fifth overall but a lot of stuff

came up in that draft where when when he gets hurt everyone's like they need protection you just said all the offensive linemen are out you sign a guy off the streets he comes and starts for you that week and you guys go pick Jamar chase where was the thought process in that building when you're evaluating because you're you're thinking franchise quarterback we know this is the guy we got to get him offensive lineman. Yeah, well, it was the Penae Sewell. It was Penae and Jamar. That was like the big debate.

It's like, how can the Bengals not draft the left tackle? Looking back on you, you can't go wrong. Like, both those picks are. Both of those guys. Yeah, both of me, like, these guys are going to both be all pro players. Right. And whoever you pick was going to be right. But we went back and forth.

And there was plenty of debate, plenty of opinion on it. And ultimately, I had went back to my time in Denver when we had Demarius Thomas. Eric Decker and then Emmanuel Sanders and then in a slot we had West Welker and we were deadly combo and it was so good nasty underrated yeah very very good player and we had a game against New England

when we were in Denver down to stretch and it was two back to back plays or maybe two out of three plays end of the game we had to go win the game and we hit two goal balls down one each one each side I think one was de Merrious one was to to Emmanuel and it was like, man, when you got to win versus press coverage,

it doesn't matter who you have up front. If you can't have a guy that can go win that matchup, you're going to have a hard time throwing the ball to win in the NFL. And that always just stuck with me. And I always thought that was a good way to build an offense is that make sure you have guys that can win. And we're getting this debate back and forth about the tackle and the receiver. And I was like, well, I said, if he can win fast enough,

it's not going to matter how long we buy. If he can win quick, we can get the ball out quick. And one of the things that Joe does so well is playing on the way. time and process and so the ball gets distributed and it's like well we can negate some of the offensive line issues if we got elite playmakers outside and that was my stance and then a couple other people had some didn't have that so it went back and forth but ultimately we landed on that jamar would be the the guy that scores touchdowns would be one that would be more helpful for our offense and thank god we did so you were the guy that brought jamar to Cincinnati I'm not going to

claim I'm not I'm just telling you my perspective on yeah on the argument was that yeah And I voiced that. I mean, that was my prerogative to voice it as a coordinator. And I think Zach felt the same way, Zach Taylor. I think he landed on that same argument. So the two of us sort of were in agreement. But ultimately it was that's a Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin and Mike Brown decision that gets made. But that's, that was the argument back and forth.

What's been the most fiery or drama-filled moment in a war room that you've seen? Hold on. Can I just, did you guys talk to Joe Burrow at all about, hey, should we go, tackle wide receiver being a rookie, but knowing he's your franchise quarterback. Joe was involved. We kept Joe in the loop on all the personnel decisions and the thought process. And we obviously talked to him a lot because he knew Jamar. And so Jamar didn't, if you remember, Jamar didn't play that year because it was

COVID year and he sat out. And so there wasn't any recent film on him other than the year that he was tearing up the SEC with Joe. Killing it. And so Joe was like, Joe didn't, Joe was like, I'll take Jamar every day and twice on Sunday. Like it's not even a debate for him because he knew what he was. He knew how impactful he could be.

And so Joe was all in favor of Jamar in that situation. And I'm glad he was. I love it. Sorry for cutting you off. I'm going to make sure you get that. Same question. Yeah. Most fiery or drama-filled tense moment in a war room that you've been a part of or witnessed?

You know, it hasn't been as many. Or somebody you look back, you're like, man, maybe we should have took that guy. Oh, there's always that. I mean, I would say the debate. between the players that were available to us at Pick 5 that year was pretty intense. I mean, there was some guys that felt like Kyle Pitts was a really fantastic prospect

coming out, and he was. The Penae Soule, the other guys that were involved was obviously Devonta Smith and Jaylon Waddle were both in that conversation. So those were pretty intense conversations because guys were pretty convicted on what they thought those players could be. And so I remember a good couple back and force on some of those debates on this player over this player.

And ultimately, when you look back, like, well, we weren't going to be wrong either way. All those guys ended up being great players. So nobody was wrong in that regard. But when you're debating on who to pick and do you take Penae Soule or do you take Penae Soule and try to take DeVant Smith? And what player are you looking at? And you obviously account for some of those quarterbacks going and you look at the world of player you're in and you've got to debate like hell.

And those usually means that you made the best decision too because, you fleshed out all the all the good and bads and pros and cons of all the players but those were pretty intense. Those are the ones that I remember the most because you're picking at five that should be a Hall of Fame style player

and you can't get it wrong. Yeah. With that clock ticking down at five, how long did that discussion go before someone's like, hey, we got to call this thing in? Or was it pretty decided when four was picked, you kind of knew. Yeah, once you knew what were the players there,

because we weren't sure who was going to go, We weren't sure if Jamar was going to go to Atlanta. You didn't know. You didn't know if Miami was going to try to trade up. There was a whole lot of stuff going on. That until you're on the clock, you don't know. But the decision had been made prior to the draft even starting. If this is the order we're going to go in, if this is, if Jamar's there, we're taking them.

If Jamar's not there, we're taking Pena. If those two are both gone, we're taking this guy. So that stuff all gets settled out prior to the draft even starting. When you, hearing you talk about the Bengals and how you guys established your office, offense gets me fired up for the Titans because you're saying how you view the field, how you view you need guys to win and press one-on-one coverage, and you're getting all these athletes in there all you have so many, so much talent on the offensive side of the ball now. Like what is the expectation we should be having for the Titans?

Are we winning it all this year? Is this it? You know, I tell our guys all the time. Can I tell Jack and Garrett back there who've been Titans fans since the inception of Tennessee that we're going to win the Super Bowl? I tell our guys all the time that we don't make any predictions or promises. So I certainly can't step out here and say anything other than that. I will say this, though.

I am excited about what we've done, the players we've added. I think they're all, you know, we add it with Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd and D.Hop coming back and Tony Pollard mixing him with Tajay Spears and you get a chance to draft J.C. Latham and you got year two for Peter Skronsky and now you go sign Lloyd Cushenberry at the And I feel like there's some really exciting pieces that, you know, if we can put it all together, I think we have a chance. And obviously, I believe in Will Levis. It's a large reason why I took the job is that I think he's capable of being a really good player.

And he has not disappointed so far in the office season program. He's fantastic. Does everything you ask, the way you want it. And I'm excited to see what we have. I'll just, I'll leave it at that. I think we can put together a competitive football team. What do you see in Will Levis? Because, again, we just rattled off three guys that you've been around,

Payne Manning, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow. What do you see similarly with Will? The drive. He's got the drive. He wants to be a great player. He wants to do whatever it takes to be a great player. I think one of the cool things about watching Will get to play last year in some pretty adverse circumstances is you saw his toughness.

I think that's kind of a common theme with these guys, is they all have this kind of innate toughness that guys rally around. You know, when you see a quarterback out there, you know, diving for a first down or taking a shot and making a great throw. He's taking one on the chin. That's the kind of guy you want to play for, right? Like you go, you go, yeah, let's, I can do this. This guy can do enough for me to play hard with. And you saw all those things on tape last year.

You saw his physical talent. Obviously, I don't want him jumping and diving and flipping around for first downs because. Dip in his right shoulder. Yeah, let's not do that. Let's not do that. That's, that's the, that's the brand. I mean, you need that thing to work. So we'll try to lessen some of that.

But I think he's proven his toughness to the guys and the team and the people in the NFL, look at him and go, all right, this guy, he's got a chance. Now let's give him as much talent around him as possible and see if we can help him with a system offensively to have some success. And he's got all the traits that you look for, though, as far as the drive and determination to be great is there. And that's exciting. With Iran, like you walk into the building and for the nine years, I was with the Titans, like day one and two of free agency, nothing ever happened with the Titans. We kind of sit back, let the first wave go, and you kind of pick pieces up in the middle market.

You guys came and started just cleaning house immediately. You and Rand, how clear is your guys' conversation of where you want the direction to go? Like how are you guys just on the same page all day long? He, him and I hit it off in the interview process, and he was a guy that I just connected with immediately. You know, you meet people and you just, there's just something about the connection. You're like this is this is the kind of person I want to go to work with every day. And it has been that way from the minute we stepped on our first Zoom interview through today. It's been everything I thought it would be in terms of our working relationship and our vision

and how we want to execute the vision and what it's going to take to get the team competitive to where we feel like we can contend for the division and for the playoffs and ultimately for a Super Bowl someday that we've been on the same page with everything. And it's been really, really fun. Like it's not like that everywhere, as you guys know. don't always get that connection and it's, uh, it's been incredible. And he's got a great feel for what football is supposed to look like. We see it the same way. And, um, man, when you go into a free agency period and you're in lockstep and, and with Chad Brinker as well, where you're like,

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network on TikTok. With like your philosophies and the way you want to kind of cultivate your first job being a head coach, like what you inherited with the Titans from the familiar faces who are still here. What are some of the directions and vision you wanted to kind of take this team internally in the building from what you had understood what was previously? Yeah. Well, I think the thing about the Titans, I think really for the history of the organization

in Nashville is that it's always been a tough-ass team, you know, regardless of the players that have been on the team. There's just a, there's been a tradition of, of this toughness. Every time we ever played Tennessee, it was like, buckle up, boys. Like, you're going to get, you're going to get everything you got, everything they got, and it's going to come down to the end. And that's how I've always viewed the Titans every time we've ever played them for the years of the NFL. It's just, there's always been good players here. It's always been tough teams. They've always been well coached. And that part is the part you want to stay. That's sort of like an ethos of the organization. You want that to be a part of who they always are, regardless of who's in charge.

And the other part that I believe in is that you want guys that love being around each other, that love being in the building together, and you want an environment that they love working with their coaches, too. And so there's a, there's a feeling that you want when you, when you wake up in the morning and you got to go to work. And there's, it's one of two ways. Either you're like, fuck, man, I want to go to work today. I've been there a couple of times. Yeah. Or it's like,

like, hell yeah, I can't wait to get to work. And that's the, what I, what I'm going for is that second option where guys wake up and can't wait to be in the building because they love what they're doing and who they're doing it with. And there's a connection amongst the people that are doing it with. I think it's what unique about where we are in Tennessee now with Rand and myself is that it's a very open building.

And there's, there's a lot of back and forth. Like you see Ram walking in the hallways and he's out of practice. and he's dapping guys up, and he's talking to him in the lunchroom, and I'm around and I'm visible, and our personalities play off each other. And I think we hired a coaching staff that's the same way. And I hope the players feel that when they're in the building.

I think if you ask most of them, they would feel at least to start. That's how it feels. But I want guys that love coming to work and playing football together because everybody's got money, everybody's got talent, and I think that's what separates teams is what kind of locker room do you have, and what kind of people are in the building. I think that's what matters the most. When we went into the facility, it seemed like everybody was way more loose.

Guys were coming up to us saying, hey, it's different. Like, things are the energy is different. There's a higher vibe here. That doesn't take away from anything from John and Brave. Like, there was a Patriots Way type of vibe where but holes are tight when you go into a team meeting. And you know you can get exposed if you have a bad play at practice. So it was like everyone's got to be on their shit to know that on Sunday we've got to go win. Like how long once you got in the building and got with the guys, did you see the transition of them like, all right,

laying their shoulders down, letting their guard down a little bit. I'll be like, okay, we can mix it up a little bit with the coach. Yeah. Because headball coaching a GM, that's a tough two guys to mix it up with and feel comfortable. Unless you're like an vet that's been in the game for a long time. And I still feel like guys get nervous sometimes around me and I don't, it's new for me being in the role too. I realize how much more.

Yeah. I feel like I'm learning more about the weight of my words and my interactions and how much it matters to guys when maybe you don't think twice about it. but it might be the only time you interact with the head coach for a week. And like that sticks with guys. I remember even as a player how that would stick with me. And I'm much more mindful of that now than maybe I ever was. And even as a days go by, it stands out sometimes.

But I think that there's a lot of ways to win in the NFL. There's not one set way that you have to take. And I think as long as you're kind of authentic to what you believe in, you can build a program in the image that you think is the right way. And I just believe that there's a, when you come to work and there's a looseness and a joy in the process, it makes a really hard profession a little less hard. And I think when you get into the part that when it is really hard, when you're in December and it's tough and you're banged up and it hurts to go practice every day, there's something other than the money motivating you to go out there and play with the boys, right? I mean, that's kind of what, that's what you want. And I think an environment that's got some joy to it and some fun and some energy,

I think takes a little bit of the edge off of how hard it can be. And it can be hard. You know, even when everything's great, even when everything works well, there's always days where it's hard. And I think that if you have a locker room and a building that's conducive to a little bit of fun and excitement and authentic. I mean, I am who I am. I don't want to try to be anybody else. And that's just always been my personality.

and I think that hopefully that that shows up in what our team looks like. Yeah, you ain't lying. I mean, playing football every day is a grinder, especially like you're saying later in the year, it gets dark a little earlier. You're feeling all your nicks and years. That last week of October is like the worst.

Is he going to hook this up with a walk through today or we don't have to lace them up? And you're right, too, like jokes you might say as a position coach or a coordinator might hit a little differently to an athlete. But if you're saying a joke as a head coach, like the athlete could be driving home like, fuck does he think I'm just trash like right you're in your own head but if he gives you something

positive I remember shanahan one time he came up oh interception machine this was like my rookie year I had had two interceptors in a practice I just remember just riding on cloud nine thinking like you know the headball coach noticed me you know yeah yeah so it's got to be like interesting knowing that your words do carry like a different weight that part is everybody yeah I if I walked in one day um I walked in to talk to one of the assistant coaches like I normally would like when I was a coordinator and I'm kind of busting balls but I kind of sees like the reaction on his face

was like oh what like did I do something wrong am I in trouble and I was like oh I probably shouldn't I probably need to probably need to tone that one down and make it not feel so like tone it down or tell whoever that is don't be so soft yeah we're having a good time here it's gonna be all right yeah j would be talk about me making plays in space So I would literally just beg, man, I know the front office, the whole coaching stuff must think I just can't tackle in space.

But you're just in your head. In your head about everything. Fuck, he just said that joke. I know. I don't think people understand how much mental warfare goes on between players and coaches. I don't know if y'all try to do mental warfare, but it just feels like. I'd rather not. I'd prefer not to do that if I can.

It's just so difficult, though, because you write, like, the words of a head coach when you say anything. If, like, no line coaches do, you could easily write that off at whatever. head coach is it to you you're calling your girlfriend your wife it sticks me family members like he said this like what do you think good bad or ugly you're doing whatever you can entire offseason you're working on that one thing that was kind of said right and it just rings in your brain forever and then as a head as as a head coach it might even he might not even thought twice about no it's the worst part yeah it might have just been like like an impassing comment yeah and all of a sudden you just like you just all in your head

about whatever it was that was said and the head coach might have forgot he even said it yeah You talk about having fun. What's your stance on a rookie shows? I love rookie shows. You're about them. I'm about them. I love a rookie show. Pro rookie show.

I love that. However, caveat is... Your 2024 is about the show. There's, there's, um, I've not been, the recent rookie shows that I've been around, subpar. Need, the, the rookies need a little help, uh, from some guys out there in the world that know what a rookie show is supposed to look like. And, uh, I've just not. been not been impressed with some of the things. They're just not funny.

Yeah. And there's nothing worse than going, like, Ruggish, you're amped up. Like, I can't wait to see who they, who do they go after. Yeah. It's like they're kind of, they get scared. You can't be scared. You should know as good as anybody.

Yeah, I was going to say you let me sit around training camp for a couple weeks. You'll have a few down. Yeah. Get some impressions. Yeah, get some mannerisms of yours and I'll just go after you. I'll just go after the headball coach is the best thing to do as a rookie. By far. But it's also the scariest thing to do as a rookie.

Also true. You got to find that sweet balance. You got to be in good graces with you, but also find all the ammo you possibly can. But if you can get a good rookie show is maybe one of the better, one of the finer things in life that you just... It sets the tone for the whole season.

Especially when you're just in the suck of training camp. Oh, yeah. That's at the ending, though. Like, you're like, everyone's kind of excited to get out of there. This is going to set the tone for the first game of the season. Yeah. Here we go, we're all the other for the last time before cuts. Let's see what we're going to get.

If any rookies are watching this, study Coach Callahan and go after him during the season. rookie show. Have to. Have to. Have to. Like, go too hard. Let me get the roast of Tom Brady. Go to his family. All of it. Yeah. Just lay it all out there and just hope the reaction is good. Yeah. Oh, go ahead, well. I was just going to say, who are, in your opinion, the funnier guys on the team. I'm still getting to know, I'm getting to know more personalities as the days go by. It sure seems like Arden Key's got enough personality for everybody, which is great. I love it. I enjoy the personality part. Like, I love guys that got something to them and make it fun. Like, that's,

that's awesome. I love when guys feel like they can beat themselves. Arden's probably the one that stands out the most. Tagee Spears, Tadj's got a good, Tadj's got a good, kind of a, he's quiet, but he's got a little personality that pops up every now and again. Still trying to figure out which offensive linemen's got it. You know, they're so, they're, every day is like a new day for them right now with, with Coach Bill, I don't know if you'll find some personality. But, But there's some guys I think that are candidates for it. But generally tends to be the defensive guys that have the most personality. And then they're at least afraid to show it.

So I think that there might be a few of those guys. But I'm hoping that some of these rookies come with something good in August. I mean, that's what they have to be most focused on. Like, Playbook comes second to the rookie show. Yeah, I mean, make sure that you have that rookie show down. You want to make the ball club? Entertain. Yeah, entertain me.

We're in an entertainment business. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. With being in a head coach for the first time and taking the first team meeting addressing the team. What are the nerves like? Because every head coach I've ever had, it's a lot. There's some nerves in there for sure.

I bet. Because you want to make a good impression where, and again, we've had like 12 team meetings since the first one. So like the novelty does wear off like after you get to the first one. But that first one you spend a ton of time thinking about. And you just want to make sure that when you come in there, that the guys look at you and go, yeah, I like this guy. I'm willing to listen.

As you guys know, you can come in there sometimes and maybe the first ones rubs you the wrong way and you're kind of like, I don't know about this cat. You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's, you just want to make an impression good enough to where you bought everyone's attention for another week, you know, and hopefully they continue buying. Being sure everybody has the same facial expression as the first time, you know, you're not losing the crowd. Right. And I try to be my team meeting, they try to be to be to the point, you know, I don't, I don't, I'm not a preacher. You know, I don't, I don't need to be, but I do have messaging that I want to get across. And so I spend a lot of time thinking about the messaging and what I'm going to say.

And hopefully that in a very short eight to ten minutes I can convey whatever that is for the day. And I only have one a week, so I don't overdo it. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear me talk that much. I know that. And the fall you only have one a week? In the fall, when the season starts, it'll be a Wednesday and a Friday. Wednesday and a Friday.

Wednesday and Thursday to the rest of the squad. Yeah, Thursday is the own day. And then you have something the night before, which can be sometimes as short as two minutes. or you may go a little longer, depending on the mood of the team and in the game you're getting ready to play. But try to limit the amount of times I have to go preach in front of everybody.

What kind of coach are you night before a game? Dude, I was just thinking to say a thing. Oh, man. Like, are we watching a movie scene? Are you preaching something? Like, what's your go-toes, bro? I very much try to keep, like, the pulse of, like, what you might need for that week.

You know, I did something kind of similar with a, in Cincinnati on Saturday. I would do this tie-in of the game plan and I would mix in whatever messaging I thought was, you know, might hit home. Give an example. Like this messaging? Yeah.

This movie scene. If it's movie scene. No, I actually used quite a bit of the man in the arena documentary one year. I kind of took pieces of it over the course of the season. And then like every other week I might have something from that because there was just so many good things from that documentary. I thought about like what a championship team would feel like. And so I try to use as many mediums as I can to help convey whatever message

I'd be trying to convey. And I even do that now. I had one, even for our rookie meeting, there's this clip on the internet with, there's a ball boy, a handful of years ago, one of the soccer teams, I think it might have been like Tottenham, where this ball boy is like super dialed into his job. And he gets the ball, it's on a throw in. But the ball comes out of bounds, and he has one in his hands. And he's just, his job is to get it to that guy as quick as possible. Well, he jumps out of his seat, tosses the to the guy, they throw it in on like a fast break and they score because they catch a team in transition because ball boy is like on top of his shit. I think I've seen that clip.

Yeah. You probably say it was viral. I don't know it was viral, but it's it's out there. And I showed it to the rookies and I was like, this is like talk about finding a role and doing it well. Like here's just 10 year old ballboy or 13 year old ball boy that knows that if I do my job really well, it's going to help us. And that's it. Don't they bring them to the locker room after this, right?

Yeah. They bring them like a jersey. Yeah. And so things like things like that. It's wild. I mean, it's, you know, and the manager goes over. Like, look at how fast he in the transition, right? Balls in his hand, he's running.

They're on sides. And then he ends up with a hit in a man's transition for a score. And like, I think it was a huge game too. So then the manager's dapping them up and like things like that. If I can, anything I can find. I use quotes from guys in the NBA. I've used Steph Curry. Anything that reinforces the message.

And like I told, I showed the rookies that. And it was like, look, man, find whatever your role is, whatever is asked of you, like, make it the most important thing. And if you have a chance to make a play, then you make the play, that's how you get recognized. And so it was stuff like that. I can fire and brimstone it pretty good when I want to, but I try to save those in my back pocket for a rainy day. Yeah, for when you really need it. When you talk about playing the Tennessee Titans hell, but it was effort, toughness, and they were very well coached. Yes.

What are the core values you're seeking to bring in with the Tennessee Titans with this new way? just in terms of like what what I want our team to look like the things you're going to preach like usually a lot of times like coaches have like these are three things that we are going to be built on as our foundation as a team like as you being the head coach of tessie titans like what are those three pillars or however many pillars yeah there's there's there's a little bit of nuance to it but the main one is we have three Cs and it's character communication and connected team and those are the three things that I think matter the most is the character guys are they coachable are they dependable are they positive?

Are those the guys you want to be around as a teammate? And then when you talk about the communication part, like the best teams in the league are great communicators, verbal, visual, you know, especially up front. I use that example all the time. It's like you've got to pick up blitzers on third down to win in the NFL and you've got to be on the same page. And sometimes it's loudest shit on the road

and you're on a silent count. And how do we get the calls communicate? How great are we communicating? It also falls into the off-the-field part too. Like when something's going on, make sure we're community. If you're going to be late to, hey, coach, I'm late to the team meeting and you called me at 730, that's good communication if the meeting's at 8. I got an issue. I need help taking care of it, right?

We can work through that. If you tell me at 805, after you show up that you had a car issue, that's bad communication. That's a fine. That's a fine. Yeah. So that's what we're looking not to do that. So those three Cs, and the last one, I think I've kind of touched on is that being a connected team and being a part of something that's bigger than yourself. Like, again, everybody's got.

money. Everybody's got players. There's talent in the league. Every game comes down to one possession most of the time. And what's the separator? And to me, it's the teams that when you look at them, you feel it when they play. You're like, man, those dudes are playing for each other. Like, you feel it. And you guys have been on those teams. You played against those teams. You're like, like, damn, these guys are on top of it. And you feel it from their sideline. You feel it from the energy when they make a play. Like, those are the things that you want to see. And I think the football parts are prerequisite. Like, you got to be able to be detailed and have discipline. That that stuff is that's like not negotiable and that's expected these are those things the character

the communication and being a connected team are things that I think make the difference when all that other stuff is equal that's awesome I love that we talked about uh the gunslingers with stafford manning levice and uh burrow but I don't want to go I don't want to not bring up Browning last year getting thrown into the fire uh in a very high pressure situation yeah talk about him a little bit because I feel like you it's like when that happened it's like well the bengals they're out of it yeah but you guys you know obviously you didn't win the Super Bowl or anything yeah there was like zero panic we were in it yeah you guys were in it right there until the end like talk about talk about browning a little bit man what a what a what a what a story really I mean he's we we we stole him off the

practice squad before we played Minnesota in 2021 and we brought him in to ultimately sort of flesh him for information. You know, they cut their quarterback loose. That's awesome. Yeah. Waterboard him, get him out of there.

And he came in and we're like, oh, really, this guy, I think is, you know, we liked this tape. And obviously,

we didn't bring him in because just for that. We thought he was a good player, but, but that's just how the league works. You cut guys loose, and we, we play in week one,

so we signed him. And he comes in, he starts, like, like, wow, this guy's really smart. And then he's a little bit undersized, and he doesn't know,

he's not like an outwardly great-looking an athlete and you're like, all, can this guy play at all? And we weren't sure. And he starts practicing and does some things that you like. You can play on time. He can process. And so we just sort of kept him. And he developed, and he did a really nice job. And he was with us for, I think, two and a half years up to the chance to play. And he never really got to play. Play a little bit in the preseason. And it was like, all right, well, Jake's going to play. Let's see what the guys got. But we felt really confident that he would perform well because he works his ass off. he studies like crazy and then when you look back at his career he started for four years at

Washington they went to a rose boy he was a good college football player yeah and he's got all of the makeup that would make you a good player in the NFL and he went out there man and he played awesome in a situation where it's hard to play all like you know every the franchise quarterback gets hurt and like everybody's spirits are down all of a sudden jake goes out there and guys were like oh fuck yeah we can do this you know what I mean like yeah like I don't We're not out of it. Yeah, we're not out of it. Let's go.

And he brought some life back into the team. And I give him a ton of credit because he was really open about what was good and what was bad. Like, hey, don't call that play. I don't like this play. Here's the things that I need to play. Like, he was very vocal about what he felt like he could succeed with. And that ton of credit goes to him. Because, you know, when you're in a position as a player, like, oh, if I say this, they might tell me to they can't.

No, you won't do it. You're afraid to say something. You want to be a yes, man. In a lot of ways. You just want to do what's asking. of you. Right. And he goes in the first Pittsburgh game and we were kind of like, are you sure you feel good about this? And he's like, yeah, just call the game. How you call it for Joe, I'll operate, I'll play well. And he didn't. And he came back to the next week and he's like,

don't call this, don't call this, don't call this, call these things. Give me more peer progression. Give me a chance to work through a read. Find me some things. And he was like, all of a sudden it was like, oh, not, thank you. This is what we need from you. And we'll do whatever it is you need to do to feel like you can play well. And so a ton of credit to him for being able to say that but he went out there and showed that he's a legitimate quarterback in the NFL and when I got the job he was joking he's like you know it's kind of messed up he's like I've gotten more guys have gotten head jobs when I played and he's like do people think I'm that shitty that I'd play well enough and like it's now everyone's a great a great coach and I'm like I said that's pretty backwards I do

agree but that is hilarious bro yeah because it was almost like you know when you get hired and everybody we're hyping everything else it's like i mean joe b went down and they were still contenders with jake browning not like shitting on jake but you're like everything can still just accidentally shooting on jake the whole time but yeah and inadvertently you you you do and uh and so we laughed about it but but i do think he he he deserves a ton of credit for how well he played he's kind of a self-made i mean he's worked his he's worked his he's worked his tail off to get in position to when you get that opportunity to go to go play well and he's going to play in the NFL for a long time because of it.

No question. I love the dude. I think he's outstanding. He's got a great personality. And I was really happy for him that he had a chance to show his talents like that. And he was open and honest enough with us to help us put him in position. And that's ultimately our job. Yeah.

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changing with all the nil stuff in college guys are coming into the league with money already yeah do you see that change in personalities as new guys start to come in Yeah, you do. It's different. I mean, it is a little bit different. Now let's not pretend like guys weren't coming in league with money before. Right. Not at UCLA, obviously. Not at UCLA. Definitely. Not in Nebraska. Certainly not there. And maybe not in Nebraska either. But Michigan, Michigan, I don't know. I feel like that's. I wish. I wish we had that SEC treatment. I got a free meal once. I bring it up all the time. One time. I got a free meal one time and that fired me up. You get like $100 handshake somewhere? No, never. I never got offered a dime. And it bugs me because I would love the opportunity to take some. anybody's money. Yes. I would probably take it. I'd ever hear about is they just put money like on a

turnover on the sideline. You hear about a coach about a guy. I got a thousand and then another coach would match it. And then in college and Sue would get it and it's like oh all right. Yeah. Because you know Sue was getting paid. He knows something's happening. But Stafford he I heard stories about him being at Georgia and be there'd be $500,000 in his mailbox for him to stay for another year. Stafford? Yes. I mean those those are all you hear those stories all the time. I went to Georgia, right? Yeah. Because I get him and Bradford mixed up sometimes.

If you had to guess, would you think that's true? I mean, I think, I think, I think. I think, I think, it's a hundred percent true. I think, I think some of it gets, um, there's, they're probably like fishing stories. Like, the fish gets bigger as a years ago by. Yeah, it's probably 20 grand. I think there's probably some of that. But crazy.

Yeah. I'm sure at all. I'm sure they're, I mean, they're not made up. Like, I'm sure those stories all happened pretty regularly, I would imagine. But the kids coming in now, I mean, you, it's, it's. It's a different style. Like they've already been paid, you know, so this isn't the first time they've had money. And I think that that part is unique that the money thing isn't new.

But what is new for them is that now they can't transfer and they are under contract. And I think that's a different mindset for them. Like they're used to being able to kind of freely move, you know, wherever they want in college football, transfer two, three times. And nothing wrong with transfer. But it's a different mindset. Like when things are hard in the NFL, you're under contract. and you're going to get cut, you're going to figure it out.

And I think that's where it changes for guys is that they're not used to that binding agreement that doesn't really exist in college football anymore and that they have to play well to get money. You know, like that's the other part. The NFL, they come up and ask for trades all the time. Yeah. Your boy in Cincinnati.

Hendrickson. He said he wasn't getting paid enough. You erring him out? Hendrickson? I mean, it's news that he asked for a trade. I'm just saying. It is public knowledge. Not airing the boy out.

Yeah. But you are constructually obligate. You probably should think about that a little bit. But I think that is the difference though, is that there's no, like, when I do like there's a resilience factor to maybe some of how some of these kids have come in college where the minute they don't like something, they leave. And the adjustment period comes when they get to the NFL. And it's like, well, I don't like this. And it's like, sorry. You know?

Yeah. Like you don't have a choice. Like, so that part I think is where it changes. The money part, I don't think. has changed kids other than they just have more experience with money. And so you're not as concerned about maybe some of the things that a kid for the first time getting money, some of these kids have been making money for four years. Right.

I've been paying taxes and it's not new for them. Yeah, it almost might be a good thing, actually, if they're making a little bit money in college. Yeah, especially some of the high, the guys that are getting big money, you know, they're used to getting big money and they're probably getting big money because they're good players. And so they likely are going to get pretty good money when they get the NFL by their draft position. And hopefully have like the right teams kind of already kind of building and structured around themselves to make it an easy transition.

You would hope. I think there's a little bit of a, there's probably some predatory opportunities out there for guys and some of these guys in college that don't know anything. And when you're talking about putting people around you, you just hope that they're making good decisions with it. Yeah. Got to have a team. Yes, you do.

You got to have a team that checks everybody. Yeah. Derek Henry. Yeah. Long time, Titan, going to be obviously in the ring of honor eventually. No doubt. Was there a conversation with you and Ran? Yeah.

to try to reach out and say, hey, let's do this one more year. They had touched base. You know, Rand had a relationship with them, obviously, being there for a year, and they went back and forth on what the money would look like. And we just knew we had the holes that we had to fill. The money would be allocated initially elsewhere. And the running back market went pretty good. I mean, there was some guys that got paid.

It was higher money than I think maybe we had projected to start across the league for the running back position, and that's good for those guys. That's great. And so when you get into those positions where, you know, we're trying to fill multiple holes in a free agency period, it's like, where do you want to allocate the money and how do you want to spend it? And I think that I would have been absolutely open to Derek coming back. I think it felt like Derek was ready for something new. And then the money part when it happened, those conversations go back and forth. And ultimately it was for both parties, probably the best decision at the end of the day for him and for us.

but I mean he is that he was the Tennessee Titans for the better part of the last six years probably seven years where I mean that's what you thought you you got to Tennessee you thought Derek Henry and look forward to the day when he his name gets to go up in that stadium because he's earned that right yeah to be up there with the greats he's he's phenomenal he's a stunt man getting to uh hang out with you at the facility and asking if you'd come on the bus we started to learn that you were a bit of a stoolie in your younger days I was yeah I was I was I was uh yeah I always always uh yeah I always know that you're on the bus, did you hit the group chat up? Like, hey.

I didn't tell anybody yet. It was going to be, I got some old from my high school buddies. It would be pretty, pretty fired up. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty fired up. That's awesome. Yeah, I was, I feel like I was on the, I was on the front end of the barstool experience. I mean, it was back when it was just a handful of those guys blogging, when it was just the blog.

It was, it was a, 2000. The Blackout party? Is that what it was called? Blackout party. My brother. my brother and my sisters went up and went to a couple of those blackout parties. They're only, my brother's only 18 months younger than me. And they would always tell me about the blackout parties.

And you see that videos online. It was, uh, it was a, it was a different time on the internet. That's for sure. But yeah, I remember, I mean, those guys were obviously Big Cad and, and Dave and those guys. I've been reading those things for probably pretty close to when they, from when they started. And laughed for a lot of, laughed a lot for a long time reading that stuff. So, yeah, I'm a stooly. I've been one for a really long time.

I feel like there's got to be a weird part that, like, I'm going to be 40 years old in June. And I think there's like this whole generation of like middle-aged stooys that were there in the beginning. No question. You know what I mean? It's like, man, they've been doing this a long time. Since the inception.

Yeah. Every time I see Baycaddy's got more and more gray hair. You just tell. I can relate. I can relate. Yeah. I get it. Who's your favorite?

Who's your favorite personality? Well, hold on. Before you did it, maybe we should tear talk this for him. Okay. Are you, are you, familiar with tier talk? No. So tier talk is, we're just based, it's a ranking system. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

You're going to start with three and work us up to one. You can give as much context or as little as context as you want, but tier talk will be your favorite barstool personalities. Oh, man. Excluded. All right. That's an excluded, but I'm not excluded. We'll be God dear. Yeah, you start with three. Start with three.

You can give an honorable mention too if you're having a hard time. Okay. I mean, I'll probably be the originals of the guys that I'm probably talking about. I love it. I would say, I would say my three. Okay. Three would be,

I'll probably never be invited back here, but three would probably be Dave. I'll probably never let me back here. That's the, you say that because he's too low, or Dave gets, gets mad at us a lot?

Both. I'm a big, I'm a big supporter, so I want to, I appreciate it. I would say two would be KFC. I used to love, listen.

reading KFC's blogs back in the day. And then one would be Big Cat. I thought Big Cat was his humor and my humor were very similar. And he keeps it going, bro. He's a machine, man. I don't know how he does. I don't know how he keeps. I mean, he's like, he's like internet Kobe or something.

Like he just got this. Oh, don't tell him that. Yeah, that's cut that. His recall is incredible. You'll have a conversation with him and four years later, he'll remember it. There was a clip that came out yesterday about him and KB on the yak. and it was back in October about him putting a razor blade in some of KB's food

and eventually he's going to give him to him within the calendar year and he did it yesterday. He was like an elephant, bro. He is. He really is an elephant. I thought that was so funny. He actually, uh, truth be told he's got a question that he proposed to you.

Is this the one? Yeah. It's the one that we don't like. See, BC to BC. First of all, thank you for being a stoolie and supporting us. all these years. I got a question for you.

I'm taking a piss while I do this. I got a question for you on the bus. We've loved to have you on the show, and I was looking at the calendar. June 25th, if you want to come to Chicago, we'd love to have you up, whole family. Anyone who wants to come up,

June 25th, come to Chicago. We'll do an interview. We'll do the gauntlet. We'll have a great time. So that's, I guess my question is, can you come to Chicago, June 25th, and come on PMT? Do you want to give some context?

The context on that is. Our beer games championships of the world is on June 25th. He is. He's on the list. He can't back out. He can't back out. He can't back out. He has to come.

He has to come. He can't back out. He's got this running bit happening right now that he can't back out. And since we've had to do a couple, we've had a couple bumps in the road with the beer Olympics, with the beer games. Sure. He likes to give the boys a hard time. So I guess he wants you to come on part of my,

take, which I'm sure that's a yes. Absolutely. But June 25th, we're going to have to just make that call for you. He's busy June 25th. He's busy June 25th. Also, it's vacation time for you all too, right? It is. It is.

I'm moving. I am moving in that very short time frame from Cincinnati. Finally down here, I'm living in a house by myself in an empty house with a bed. That's the life that I live. That college lifestyle. It's a bachelor lifestyle. Got the mattresses on the floor, wires everywhere. TV hanging.

Yeah. Sitting on like a folding chair to watch TV. You kind of do enjoy it a little bit, huh? There's part of it that brings back to your roots. No doubt. But yeah, that might be a tough swing, but we can look into it. Maybe next offseason. Maybe next off season.

Next off season, because they will take you out to Chicago and just let whoever your boys are, you heard him say, whoever must to come. You should come with an entire crew. The whole entourage. I'll say this about Chicago. Their HQ there is incredible. It's like a fantasy factory. They have literally everything you want.

Basketball court, golf simulator, chef Donnie in the corner. He'll make you whatever you want. It's some of the best food you'll ever have. It's like the tightest facility without the indoor. without the football field. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

It is nice. It's very cool. It's very cool. You'd really enjoy it. The cool thing, too, my whole family is from Chicago. Really? Yeah, my dad's born and raised.

He's south side of Chicago. My grandfather was a Chicago cop. Okay. Good old Irish Chicago cop. Yeah. Nice. Are you, where you grew up a Bears fan?

I did grow up a Bears fan until I became a fan of my dad, wherever we moved to. But when my dad was coaching in college at University of Wisconsin, that was like the Bears were, you know, my dad still watches like every, White Sox game. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. But not very good. It runs deep in Chicago, huh? Deep is deep. So my whole family, everybody, my mom, mom's been in Northside, the whole family from Chicago. Were you just a massive fan of your dad growing up? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He was always the man. Always. I mean, it's my, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but you had to go through, like, teenage rebellious years where you're like, he doesn't know everything. I never, I know.

I did not. Really? Oh, yeah. I mean. God, I need some notes from your dad. I mean, so, well, I'll say this. Like, my dad is, my dad is an intimidating person. And I was the oldest of four.

And so I didn't ever have, it was like, I was scared to death to make a mistake because I, you know, you can't even hear him yell. He got a real loud voice. It's intimidating. Yeah. And I did not want to get, I didn't want to get in trouble. It's all my friends, you'd like, dude, you got to. Like, I had like a 10.30 curfew in high school for a while.

And all my boys were like, you got to rebel. Don't, you can't. Oh, bad friends. They're like, well, you know, it's like, I mean, 1030 is kind of early. That is nuts. It's early. But this is weekend curfew? Oh, yeah.

No, this is all the time. Shit. This is, yeah. Seven o'clock, five night lights. Yeah. The game's over. You're going home.

You gotta go home. Sorry, boys. No parties for me. None. And that's the best. We don't have to get to that. Go ahead. But so that was the,

I was scared of death of, like, I was not rebellious to my dad because I knew my, I watched my dad coach these guys for all these years and how he, his demeanor and his style. I was like, I don't need to cross that. I don't need those problems. Growing up,

were you like, were you a troublemaker or a straight shooter the whole time? I was pretty straight shooter. Yeah. enough mischief, but not anything serious and have to really get in trouble. What is the most devious thing you ever did as a young team? Probably just TP a house.

Probably egged a house. That's the next step. You're egging. T.P. is one thing. He'll throw the toilet paper at the tree, but the minute somebody gets out of a carton of eggs, he's probably thinking,

I don't know if I want to be a part of that. Coach Kelly, he's the first one to run. That's too much for me. I can't go that far. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was nothing more, like, nothing more than that. It was never anything. Just fun classic boys being boy stuff. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news,

huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slicel 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. You ever get big trouble? I did. Big trouble. Yes, I did. And I was like middle school, probably. I can't even want to tell the story But I am because it's funny and whatever

When I was in middle school Me and my little neighbor next door My buddy died I used to run around all the time We decided we were going to make a torch Parents were home, we were on so we wrap all this toilet paper On a stick and dip it in gasoline and we're like swinging it around We're middle school We're like eight years around and we're swinging it around

And we're having a hell of a time And we're in these woods behind her house and we would try to be responsible. We had water. Put the torch in the water. You know, it's, and I look out like an hour later, and my parents were home, I look out like an hour later in the entire forest,

the entire forest is on fire behind our houses. I mean, it was like, I mean, fire department. You committed arson. It's like, it's like flame, yeah. Yeah. And we, you know, we didn't mean to, obviously. Right.

But it's like, there's, you know, it's a patch of, I mean, it wasn't small. It wasn't like a whole fire. But I mean, there was trees on fire. I mean, it was on fire. I had to come and put it out. And, but at the time my parents were at home, I was there, but I was home by myself. And the fire department came, they put it out and they left.

And I was like, I'm in the clear. They're never going to know. And so my buddy, whose parents were home, they saw it. And they put the clamps on them and he cracked. No. Oh, yeah, he cracked. Do you definitely crack? Your boy cracked?

Yeah. Do you ever talk with him after? Like, brother, you got to. Like, come on, man. How'd they get him to crack? It's so easy to not, to deny it. Because we were like relatively good kid. Like, it wasn't like he was, we weren't trying to do anything wrong.

I think he was. But then, so my parents know. And then my dad asked me on multiple occasions, hey, do you know anything about what happened back there behind the house? Nope. No idea. I mean, I lied to his face. Lied to his face. And I thought I was getting away with it.

that I know, I was just getting set up. He was just stringing me along, just waiting. And that was the most mad. I think I've ever seen him. Not because of what we did, but because I lied to him about, and he gave me ample opportunities to tell him the truth, and I just stuck with it.

So he did it a few different occasions. Maybe the first time he let it pass. I'll see if he thinks about it a little bit more. That his old man's stupid. That's a vet move. That is a vet move to set your kid up like that. So when you wonder why I probably wouldn't rebel when I was in high school,

I saw that and I was like nope no thanks I don't need that and I don't need those problems That's a savvy dad move Yeah my dad would go out of town in high school And he'd be like you're not allowed in the house Like go to your mom's house you're not allowed in the house And one time we had a party Yeah

And I came home and I was like you You've been in the house at all? I was like no But he set up like t-shirts and certain things And parts of the house It looks like it was just a little bit dirty Yeah But he remembered every spot he put it in

So if it was moved at all when he got back He knew somebody was in the house I folded It was like 10 people at the house too It wasn't even like a cool party It was just a get together It was a kickback as we called it A kickback

A nice little kickback But yeah ma'am Dads are good like that Yeah Billy ever get you Oh yeah Yeah A few different occasions

The one that comes to my mind I think I've told it before But my parents were out of town Because my brother I'm a junior in high school So my brother he's a sophomore Absolute stud wrestler He was

my parents said that I had to wrestle that year or I'd be grounded all of winter. Good motivation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad said it helped me in football, which there is truth to wrestling, helping in football. Yeah.

But my brother had a, it was my, it was my first week weekend, like, on the squad. And they're wrestling your boy, JV, Jr. And I thought it was so disrespectful. My brother, they should feel that. Yeah, my brother, who's a sophomore, they traveled out to the king. the city for this wrestling tournament for the varsity team and so I'm just back at the house by

myself so I throw you know I throw a party nice little banger I'm talking it's ever clear it's it's the cheapest of the cheap yeah the most of the most the plastic stuff yeah and you know it was rowdy to where basically I had to be on the bus at like 530 in the morning the next morning to go to the JV wrestling tournament and we were up all night and I mean we're you know we did I was driven we take somebody home drop them off they're puking in the driveway as we're dropping them off and I'm like hey you got to hurry like we have to leave so I can make the bus and I'm still sauce from the night and we're riding up I'm trying to like get some sleep it's like an hour and a half bus ride and then I start texting the boys like I didn't clean anything up and my parents are going to get home before our bus gets back from the tournament so just terrible planning on my part so I'm texting like low and John and the boys so I cleaned it up and they did their absolute best they got some stuff messed up but they did what they could to clean up the place well I get back by the way one the JV wrestling tournament did not get scored on hungover sick just destroyed but I get back and dude my mom finds this there's a condom sitting out on the end table that was being played with because 40 year old virgin had came out And he was playing Aquaman on his hand with the condom. And my boy was doing that.

I mean, there was girls over and there's fun to be had. But that particular loss that we took was one that shouldn't have even been taken. You know what I mean? And it was not fun. It was not fun. My dad was one of those where it was like the same thing. I never wanted to be in trouble by my parents. And I remember, again, another night where we got caught drinking and partying and stuff.

And my parents came over And Logan, my buddy, he's like my best friend And his mom, we're pulling in the driveway And she's like, you guys want to have a fucking party? Boys will have a party and just sit down on the grass We're all lined up sitting down like, you know, Indian style And all your parents are coming over We got you motherfuckers type of thing

My dad comes over and bro like, you know, your boy's got like tears in his eyes Like I'm like dad, I'm not going home And he like takes his glasses off He's on like the other side of the dining room table And we're in Logan's house And he's like, son, you're coming home And it starts like,

walking around and I just start like going around the table with him. Oh bro, but it was not good. It was, uh, we've had, we've had some run-ins back in the day in Ontario, and my dad, it's always the same speech. Like, you got the world ahead of you. Like you have at this point, I had like one offer from like Illinois. Not wrong though. Yeah, not wrong. As a dad. That's a good call by a dad. Illinois, K-state at the time. And he was like, you're going to, you're going to mess this up. Like, you're going to fuck this off. And, but we had it, we had some run-ins, some stories that definitely come to my mind when I'm like fuck the boys were in some situations yeah you never want to piss off your parents no not not if you especially when you got one that's not one you want to mess with either

yeah bro you know there's a story I told where my dad he's like you ever want to shot the title you just let me know and he's like this close to me and he just doesn't blow me a kiss but he just goes and in my face and I'm like all right all right dad and it's just like you ever want to shot at the title tell how old you were a senior oh A senior high school You should have swung on that man Bro, I don't, there's a difference Now I would, you know, out of respect

It would never happen Right I would obviously take, take advantage of him now But dude, there is, I mean As long as you could have respect For an old man on beating your ass He had every bit of it up in the year I'm not gonna lie to you guys

Like I wouldn't be surprised Like my dad could still probably wop my ass I wouldn't want to Bill might now You think he would Oh, dude Bill, but this I mean yoga is Don't sleep on yoga

But this man's a yoga at 6 a.m. probably every morning at old Benton Zen. Oh yeah. He's, oh yeah. Bill. Yeah. Bill Callan, yeah. He can, like, do the splits and handstands and stuff. Oh, okay. I'm not joking. I had no idea. Yeah, like I don't, you don't want to mess. I wouldn't mess with them. Yeah. I wouldn't want to shut it. That's the thing.

I don't need a shot at that title. Yeah, you know, you know, you're good. That's the thing, too, with like, Bill, like, you know, he carries this intimidating demeanor, but you know when he's saying something to you, he has, he has your respect because you know in his world, he's putting in all of that work, not just in studying, but in lifestyle. with the yoga and watching him prep all the way up until kickoff, like laying on his back and just like studying his notebook and writing down final notes. And he is the man.

Like I've always had a lot of respect for Bill. I appreciate it. Glad I never got to, you never had to partake in his individual drills. But yeah, always loved to watch. Didn't have to hit the sled. Yeah.

Always loved to be appreciating. What's the name of the sled? Bertha and Olga. Olga. Yeah. God. Did he create those? Yeah.

He invented the sled. Do we have patents? He invented the actual sled or bad sled? The actual sled. The sled. that they were hitting. No shit. Yeah.

That actual invention of the sled. Do we have patents? Yeah. I mean, it gets royalties. This is a wild clip. Nice. Because J.C. is a,

he, that's a unit of a man. Yes. And he's being, he got folded the first time. He's seeing him start to figure it out a little bit. Yeah, he figured it out. There's no way anyone ever does good on that the first time.

Never. No. And that's why my dad's laughing at him because they were, he bet him. JC's like, no, I got, I'll get it. I'll move.

And my dad's like, okay. Just hands in his pockets. Yeah. invented that sled when he was in Washington that's that's impressive right there resetting the hips and driving that's impressive they call it taking another bite so he takes another bite and he gets going but that sled he he worked with Ray Crowther the company and they they sort of developed it together and made that that sled the angles and the and the

handles where your hands fit and I just it feels more like what a defensive alignment feels like coming off the ball versus like the old squared up sleds yeah yeah with Jason drafting him getting your first opportunity to get your hands on him a little bit. Is there anything that surprised you about him that you think maybe he didn't have or is he as advertised for your mind so far? He's as advertised. I mean, we felt like there was two linemen that we felt like we're worthy of top ten picks and that's Joe Alt and J.C.

And the two guys that we're like either one of those guys will happily take if they're available to us. And thankfully, JC was. And he's everything we thought he was going to be. And he's got a super high ceiling because he just got all. these physical tools that you he doesn't even really know how to use them all yet you know but yeah super talented great kid all the things you can want in an offensive lineman was there a fear for you him playing his whole career on the right side now moving him to left uh no because you know one it's been done before guys have transitioned from right to left uh he played left

in high school uh so it's not like he's never been in a left-handed stance right um played four years to Alabama because he had to with Evan Neal, and I think it was Tyler Steen maybe. So they had guys that left, and then they had a five-star recruit come in, and he'd already played a couple years over there, and they were like, well, this is our chance to get our best five guys. Well, you're comfortable to leave you there, but he's fully capable of playing left tackle. I think he's probably comparable, like what Tyron Smith was. Tyron came out as a right tackle, played right tackle for a year in the league, and they

moved on the left in that transition. Obviously, that worked out great for him and for them. And, you know, he just did it with Jedret Wills in Cleveland. Chad played on the right in Alabama and played left. And he got to Cleveland for the last four years now. So not unprecedented. Yeah. And he's got the talent to do it.

That's awesome. I'm glad to see here that he's a good dude because I got worried those top-notch SEC schools after dealing with Isaiah Wilson in 2020. Sure. That was a horrible experience for everybody involved in the Titans building. From afar, it seemed like that was not a lot of fun. No, it was not. But he does seem, JP was with him. he's not in here.

JP was with him at IMG and he says he's an awesome guy. He was an awesome dude. Yeah. An IMG to Academy. The they have like leadership. They have like mindset classes. Football factory. It's a football.

It's a sports factory. Yeah. Yeah. We had to talk to Tyler Booker who was at Alabama with him. And the way he was talking about mindset and meditation and all that. It was like eye opening to see that this young cat has all these tools already. Yeah. That's because IMG.

Yeah. I mean, he's, and he was a number one recruit. It's not like he's the number one recruiting a country. he goes to Alabama. It's like he's known nothing but success. Yeah. And sometimes there's something to that. I think it was cool though the other day after the first practice.

He struggles with the sled and he's kind of made him mad. Like he's a little bit disappointed. He couldn't do it the right way right away. And so it's like 5 o'clock. They had the rookie minicamp in the morning. This was on Friday. They practice in the morning and they're done. Like about 5 o'clock I'm sitting in my office and I look outside.

And J.C.'s out there like running home. hundred-yard sprints. And then he's like mosing down to where the sleds at. And all of a sudden he starts hitting this. He's by himself. And all of a sudden, I walk next door. I'm like, Rand, should I stop him? He's like, I'll let him go for a minute and just let him do his thing.

But he's out there in the afternoon mad that he didn't do well enough. He's out there working again. I'm like, that's when you're like, okay, this is the right makeup. Like this guy's juicy. Yeah. As a head coach, you got to look at that and be like, that's the guy we just drafted. That's an unbelievable feeling. That's awesome.

But then there's also. the flip side of it is like dude you're going to get plenty of work you might just want to take the recovery when you get it you know no doubt no doubt but what a good first impression but yeah i mean it was that that goes a long way and and it's it was every day after that where he'd be out like you just it's like part of his routine and when you see a young player it's got some routine where it's like i need to go do this this and this in the afternoon because that helps me get ready for the next whatever it is at least there's some thought process behind it you know hey it's us the the jonas brothers and guess what we have some big news what's the news news we created our own

podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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Nice to meet you, Jack. Lifelong Titan fans, super excited to have you here on the bus and behind the range of the Titans. My question with the significant upgrades, we've gotten in the wide receiver room recently, what is your plan regarding Trayland Berks with him only having one TD in 22 games? I know you've been asked this before in the media, but would love to hear it first hand from you. Sure, I think that's a topic of conversation these days. I'll say this. I only know what I've seen of them. Obviously, I know what precedes him just because I've watched it and I understand it. But from what we see on a day-to-day basis with Trey, he's been phenomenal. Like his work ethic, the things that he's done, does everything we've asked. He's got unbelievable physical talent. And it's almost, it's a personal challenge to me and to our staff is how do we find the best role for Trey to come help us? Like I think he can be a good player. I do think guys get in these situations sometimes, for example, you know, they trade AJ and they draft him.

There's just intense amount of pressure on him to be AJ or to replace AJ. And I think that that wears on guys sometimes when it doesn't go well to start. And it's hard to be a really good player at receiver as a rookie. I think it's a difficult task. And so for him, there might have been a compounding factors of all that pressure he felt and then to be able to go play fast and play aggressive and be free of that, I think is hard. So what I'm hopeful for is that the addition of these veteran players

that we have in here, a new lease for him in terms of all I know is what he's shown me and I don't make any judgments on what's happened before and that opportunity to reinvent yourself in a sense I think is going to be really good for him. And I've been impressed with what he's done so far and I think he can play, but it's like a personal challenge for me to find a place for him

to have some success because he's got the talent and ability to do it. That's awesome. My second part question as well, what credentials do I need or who do I need to talk to to be able to be the 12th Titan and swing that sort of honor put in the middle of the field for a game? You know, I've not experienced this yet, so you might have to. It's okay. Is this like a, it's the first thing I do right before the coin toss.

And usually it's like an Eddie George or a Javon curse. What about Jack McPherson from Nashville, Tennessee, swinging that sword? Also, one request. Again, you've never experienced this. We need to bring back the OG pain train video. Yes, yes. This is something. The OG pain train video does have to come back.

I don't know what happened if it was a copyright issue, but there was an original video. They played before every fourth quarter of every game, and it needs to come back. I know if there's any Titans fans listening. They're turning this up and going, come on. Come on Callahan. All right.

Callie. They're calling him Cali now. Okay, couple things right here. Jack, while he's answering the credential part of that question, can you pull up the pain train video for him? I like to see this. Jack is a guy. If you give him a reward at the end of a tunnel, he will work endlessly. Rich Eisen has not come on our show for almost three years now.

Two years, I think two. And he was told if he tweets at Rich Eisen every day until he comes on the show, we will gift him a Chevy Soverado. We're at day, what, three something? No. Today was 692. Excuse me, see? Three years and what's... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got mixed up. I got mixed up with this. This is the OG Pane Train video. Oh, is this like Terry Tate? Oh, yeah, Office Lineback. I used to love those commercials. You're going to have to put on headphones, I believe, if you went here... This is for these ones?

Go ahead. Put those on. This is great because they throw a little Johnny Cash in here. This is awesome. All right, let me see this. Start it over, Jack. When did they stop playing this? Like two years ago?

Yeah, there's a version of it. It's similar, but I think we're saying ever since Luan left the building, they couldn't play that anymore. I'm not saying it, but we bring the OG video back Titan Super Bowl of 2024. Well, I'll do some research on that.

I got to figure out why it went away in the first place. Does nobody know who Terry Tate is anymore? I played a Terry Tate video one time from the guys in Cincinnati. All the players looked at me like, why didn't you show us that? he can hear me.

Are you willing to cut your dick off for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl? Got two kids, two beautiful children? I do. I might not be done yet. I don't know if I can commit to that part. I got young kids. What are you willing to do for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl? I'd be willing to do quite a bit.

Would you take off a limb? Like a finger? Let's say whole hand. Like Ronnie Lott style? Let's say whole hand. Whole hand. Your dominant hand. My dominant hand for a Super Bowl.

Yeah. For the Tennessee Titans. As the head coach. That would be pretty sweet. Old man gets one. Yeah. Nashville. Jack McPherson gets one.

That's the most important. Most important. I would have it. Garrett Hargis gets one. Sorry, you didn't speak. I was wrapped up around. Yeah, you're right. Would you take off that dominant hand?

That, hmm. That would be tough. That would be tough. to offer up. But in fairness, the commitment, I could be, if that's what it meant,

I would give it some consideration. This is a yes or no question. Are you willing to, now that we've narrowed it down to a dominant hand, would you cut off your right hand for a Tennessee Titan Super Bowl? I cannot cut off my right hand.

Oh, no. Because now here's the problem. Here's the problem. I get into that same situation again and someone says, I heard you would cut your hand off. And then you ride that out. Yeah, you'd have to have some incredible commitment to the process.

How about this? Yeah. But then you finally do it and then you could back. Then you could. Well, afterwards then you can back out. But then what's the fun in that? Right. Two options.

I'm going to give you two options. It's a classic lock room where a gun to your head. You have to choose one. Yeah. Would you rather for a Titan Super Bowl lose one testicle or get a busting with the boys tramp stamp championship

2024 tramp stamp on your low back oh I'll do the tramp stamp yeah I can do that we got them boy snap I did a tattoo for it took us a couple ways he said they're a little too easy tramp stamp yeah yeah no problem he's actually tattoo

right here you can do it over the one I already got yeah Gary I did not give you opportunity to time out time out time out he never got to chance to answer the uh to say if he's going to bring back pain train or jack an opportunity to maybe one day swinging yeah he told me he told me to a switch i was like all right we're getting right into it right that is that's my fault i'm realizing where the i got to do the research on the the video yeah we pain train i don't know what i've never

even heard of it i didn't know so let let me it plays in the fourth quarter right yeah oh is that one it was or the fourth quarter like like like renegade style in pittsburgh like that's yeah i guess so like To kick off that fourth quarter. Yeah, I hear that train of coming. You know the fans want to maybe you ask questions? Yeah, I can do so. I can at least give you that I'll look into it. Yeah, that's all I'm asking.

It's all I'm asking. The sword. The sword's new for me too. I got to figure out what's. And maybe the sword, just so it's a little bit more enticing for y'all's demographic, maybe we bring Will and Taylor X Titans out there too. Then they can help. And we can all, as a team, slam that sword to the ground.

We just both get on a knee and hand it to Jack. No doubt. Yeah. Jack and Gary hold it together and put it on the ground. The boys, 12th man and just King Arthur. Yeah. I like that. Gee, did you have anything?

Yeah, I got a question. So with the addition to the weapons on offense and a unfortunate Titans fan base that can be fair weathered, what can the fan base look forward to this coming season? Well, I think that we're going to have a, I think we're going to have a, I think we're we have a team of guys that are hungry to prove. I know the perception of us outside of our building is not high. I think we have a lot of people that don't think that we're going to be much. And I think that's where we want to be right now.

And then we have a chance to prove a lot of people, a lot of opinions wrong. I think we're made, I think we have a team that's made up to do it. You're going to have it, we're going to play hard as hell. there's going to be, I think we're going to have fun playing together. I think you're going to see the energy and the connection amongst the team. And at the end of the day, the guys that we brought in, he pairing with the guys in the locker room is we got some guys that play football a particular way. And that's, as Dinar Wilson, our defense coordinator says, we got some dogs.

And he says, DAWG. And that stands for disciplined assholes with grit. And I like that. But I think that's the image that, especially on defense too, with Ligerius and Cheeto, adenmic corner. You add big sweat in there in the middle and Sebastian Joseph Day and you pair him with Jeffrey.

I think there's some really cool things happening on defense that I'm really excited about. And so, again, I can't make predictions and promises and proclamations, but as far as the people and what the team looks like, I think it's going to be a product that people are going to be excited to come watch. Show it to the games, people. Yeah, show up to the games. I said, look, I said it in my opening,

conference, I said it. We need the city of Nashville and Titans fans. We need them. We need the stadium to be a place that people come to and are like, oh, man, I don't want to go playing Nashville. That's what we're looking for. We need that environment. So all the Titans fans out there listening

come on, come all, man. We need everybody on board and hopefully you get in early enough and you don't get accused of jumping on the bandwagon when things go right. That's a good quote. That's a good quote. Because there is like a good small core.

of a Titans fan base out there for sure. Every franchise has their 5% like that 5% crazy fan base and the Titans 5% is strong. That's great. I love that. They're crazy people in the best way possible.

That's what you need. That's what makes the NFL the NFL. RIP Matt Neely, man. Hey, RIP Matt Neely. He was the one. Yeah. Dude, thank you for coming on. Thanks for having this.

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