Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Charles Woodson On Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning + Almost Retiring Early

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Recorded: February 6th, 2024 | On this episode of Best of the Bus, The Boys were joined by NFL Hall of Famer — and arguably the greatest defensive player in college football history — Charles Woodson. The guys kicked things off by talking about Michigan winning the national championship, then dove into Charles’ legendary run at Michigan and the stories that came with it, including a few moments where he butted heads with coaches. Of course, when you have the only defensive player to ever win the Heisman on the bus, The Boys had to relive that iconic moment and what it meant to him. After the college talk, the conversation shifted to his incredible NFL career with the Raiders and Packers. Charles shared stories from both stops, including the surprising moment he nearly hung up the cleats earlier than anyone knew. This one was a true trip down memory lane — just talking ball with one of the best to ever do it. Big hugs, tiny kisses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast. I appreciate that, man. You guys are shaping up to be best of all time, too. On the field? Like what you're doing? On the field, dude? Do you really mean that? Because we tried to get, I remember I was either,

we were on Twitter going back and forth because you used a Nash one time. Yeah, I think we're trying to get you, but yeah, everything was way too tight. but man. Try to make it happen, but yeah. The timing was off a little bit, but, you know, we did it. Finally got it done, man.

We got to obviously jump into Michigan. Like for how many years have we just been shitty? And now finally, we put it all together this year, man. What did that mean to you as an alumni? Well, you know, what's crazy is that it wasn't that we were shitty. We just couldn't beat them guys. We couldn't beat Ohio State, man. Like, that's really what it was.

Like when you think about, you know, Jim when he came in, Jim was winning nine, ten games a year. But then we get to that last game and we could never get over that hump, you know? So when we think back to Michigan and we see that we had a shitty year, you know what I mean? And so these last couple of years have just been like, dude, I don't even know how to explain it.

You know, it's just, it's not even that we won the game. It's how we won the game. Yeah. And with all the storylines saw it the year, too. Yeah. It's not just that game. It's the season. Right. The Penn State, the hardball getting suspended right before the Penn State game as they're traveling. He's getting told while they're on the tarmac. Literally. I was at that game because I was working with the big noon kickoff crew that weekend and we get there and they're like, yeah, I don't know if

Jim's going to be able to coach today. We're like, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, you know, he was on the plane. He got the word that he might not be coaching. Like on the plane? Like, literally on the plane to Happy Valley? You're talking about? why he can't play, I mean, can't coach. So, it's just a lot of different storylines, you know, this particular season with him putting people in place. Mike Hart was a coach, one game, head coach, and then Sharon Moore, who's got the job now. He was a coach for, like, three or four games.

And those guys, you know, just looking at that situation in the face and just being like, it don't matter. It's such a massive, like, statement to the culture of Michigan. because they had every excuse not to achieve the goal of winning a national championship. Right. And, like, obviously, you don't have to expand on this at all. But how pussy was it of the Big Ten to try to implement some sort of bullshit band-aid, hey, we're going to punish them, Tony Petiti, as they're flying to Penn State and doing all that.

That's just, just a bad ball. There's no due process there. But the thing I like about it personally is that if there were all these allegations and it never took Harbaugh off the field, then it'd be like the true asterisk to a national championship. But because you put all the adversity on and off the field towards the Michigan players, now it's like there's truly like, it didn't matter what got in their way

that they were winning a national championship. Yeah. And that was so big. It truly was a Michigan versus everybody. Yeah. You know, the phrase that they coined. And also the other one was bet. You know, they had that,

I forget after which game it was, but it was just to say, all right, you guys are going to put all of this on our plate, bet we'll handle it and that's exactly what they did and you know being in in happy valley and you know that being you know our toughest game at to that point on the schedule and then coming out in that second half and I think they threw the ball one time and then from their own it was like just old school Michigan football for a whole half like just just take this take this take this so yeah it was fun man the whole the whole ride this year man I mean you know we we we

We were riding along with them guys, man, just on Cloud 9 every week. And then when they capped it off, I was able to go to the semifinal, Pasadena. I didn't make it to the championship game. But watching that championship game and the way they performed, the domination, you know, that, you know what? We go back because you talked about the culture. And that was important with this team because of all of the guys who said, I'm coming back. I'm coming back because we got unfinished business. And then they actually did it.

Like that was, that's pretty special, man. So I'm happy for them guys, man. What's it like knowing that you guys brought, that Michigan, your guys' university brought a national title in 2023, and it's been since what, like the 1940s since you guys last won a national title? 97, man. God, damn. I knew he did it on purpose.

I know what he did. I know. That was good. That was good. That was good. Okay. I'll see how it is. See how the show's going to be.

You got a show's going to be. I have to. Taylor and I, obviously, we. always go back and forth. Yeah. I mean, you guys have been whooping our ass for a while. That's funny. I had to get that in because it's always like if I'm put up against Taylor,

Dave Portnoy, we go back and forth. If I try to throw Nebraska in, it's like, oh, 1997. Personally, I feel like as a player, you like being the coaches pole national championship more than the AP national championship. Well, man, you know, when you guys got up there and started crying, you know, after the season about, you know, our coaches leaving, and, man, we deserve it. We're like, what the hell is going on right? You know what I mean?

So you guys begged your way into that little story. That was tough. They met the knee, too. The coaches were just like, I guess we'll just give it to them then. Like, really? Come on. I mean, we, you know, Nebraska beat, and it's funny because Charles was like, he's a player. He was on the Michigan team.

Like, we're, like, I'm just sitting here like, oh, we, Nebraska. Yeah, yeah, you're eight. Yeah, yeah. Hey, but Nebraska beat Peyton Manning-led Tennessee. Oh, man, they did. They did. Average over 40 a game. They did.

Michigan average 20-something, however, their defense, you guys. We were pretty mad about that, too, because we go out to, you know, Washington State and we're like, all right, you know, Tennessee, you know, give these boys a fight, you know what I'm saying? Because that's going to help our cause. They go down there and struggle. And Nebraska goes out there and slaps them boys. It's like, shit. God damn. What's it like?

Because you guys had, you guys play more like top 10 teams that year. Like, oh, I'll say the Big Ten, like, back in the 90s, like, you guys had more of those teams. in the top 10. But like as a player, are you kind of hoping you get dealt? Like I don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection back then, but are you hoping you get like the higher matchup or did you already kind of know you were going to play the Pac-12 champion? It was a Pac-12 championship.

So I think we were a year before the BCS. So if it was a year later, we would have had a chance to play. It would have been, it would have been Nebraska. We'd have a chance to play Nebraska. But we would just, one year too early, man. So, yeah, we went out and played the winner to Pac-12 and they played a win at the you know, Nebraska. So that's just the way it's the way it went.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're doing all the big noon stuff, and it's essentially your job, your obligation to be as unbiased as possible, but all this stuff is like going down. Yeah. How do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking, all right, Harbaugh's not on there,

but you're on the sideline. I think there's a clip of you, and it might have been Desmond Howard as well, like getting hyped up. Like, are you, like, trying your best not to get excited? No, like, our producer, and, you know, everyone who brought me in, you know, at Fox,

they know that when it comes to Michigan, it is what it is. Like, when I'm on the set, I'm rooting for Michigan. I'm on the sideline. I'm room for Michigan. I'm going to be biased as bias can get. So there's no secret. But when it comes down to, like, really talking about the game, like keys the game, how Michigan is going to win

or how state is going to win. I'll give the real, but at, It, you know, in terms of where my loyalty is like, it ain't no secret. You enjoy covering college more than the NFL? Because I know you was doing NFL before you signed on with Fox. No, NFL is where it's at. Yeah? Yeah.

Yeah. I love the NFL, man. In college, it's too many damn teams in college. There are a lot of teams. I feel like you, like, I enjoy the school spirit of college because you just know you're pulling for your team no matter what versus the NFL, like, playing on a few different teams. It's more of like a player driven.

Like, I'm kind of rude for guys and players. I'd like to see the Raiders, the Titans, Washington do well. But like that, the connection with your school spirit in college. Yeah, it ain't nothing like it. It's nothing like it. And, you know, I get asked that question like, you know, why do you feel the way you feel about Michigan? And, you know, why you love them so much? And I answered this question not too long ago.

And I think it's like, for me, it was the first place I was trying to get to. You know what I'm saying? Being a high school athlete and, you know, you're getting all of these letters. and you know, you're working towards, you know, trying to do something bigger than playing in high school. Like, Michigan was like, I'm trying to get there. You know what I mean? And it was a dream come true to, you know, sign there and go to Michigan. And so, you know, that love of, you know, trying to get to a destination and reaching it, you know, was a big deal.

So, you know, that's why it runs deep. Yeah. You had a really good interview on The Pivot. And I'm trying to recall. You tell the story about there was a game where coach held you out and you're like, I'm not going to go in and say sorry. And then your mom's like, your mom's like, hey, if you're not going to apologize yourself, do it for me.

Can you retell that story? Yeah, it was just crazy because my, you know, we had played, I think, who would play? I forget who the game we played before Ohio State. But anyway, I had my back locked up for whatever reason. And I talked to the trainer. I'm like, hey, man, my back is locked. I don't know why I can barely move. He's like, oh, don't worry about it.

You don't have to practice today. And so I was like, great. But when I walk out to practice, I don't have any Michigan issue stuff on. I just got my school stuff on and coach cars, like, what are you doing? I'm like, what? He's like, where's your uniform?

I'm like, ah man, I talked to Schmidt. Smitty, Smithy said I had to practice today. It was like, I don't get in there and put something on then. So I go in, I put some other stuff on, but I keep my white shoes on. on that I order school. What do you got on your feet? I'm like, what, man?

Get in there and put your shoes up. Did you know what you was doing when you went back in? Like, are you feeling like, oh, coach is trying me a little bit? A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. But then this was 96. 96.

So a week before Ohio State game. And so I came back out and then I'm on the sideline and talking with some of the fellas and coach, he singles me. Hey, Charles, come here. Go over there to the offense. Hey, you need to pay attention. I'm like, coach, I'm paying attention. Like, what's going on?

man. Well, if you're going to be on the sideline, you're not practicing, you need to pay attention. I'm like, all right, so I walk on the sideline. A few periods go by. He calls me back over there. Watson, get over here. I'm like, damn, what is going on today, man? Go over there. Hey, if you're not going to pay attention, you can just leave. I was like, all right, I'm out. So I left. I went back to the dorm and a little time passed day or two. I don't know. I can't remember the timeline of that, But I get called down by my position, Coach Vance Bedford. He's like, hey, listen, coach wants to talk to you when you go down there, just go ahead and apologize, and then he's going to let you play this week.

And I was like, coach, no, I'm not apologizing. He's like, listen to me, just apologize. So I go down there, me and coach talk a little while. And he's like, ah, you know, do you think you justified yourself by walking out of practice? I was like, yeah, man, because I don't feel like you got to make an example out of me and this whole thing. He was like, all right, well, you ain't playing this week. I was like, all right. I got up and walked out.

Went down there to back to Coach Bedford's room, and he was like, all right, what do he say? I said, I'm not playing this week. He said, boy, I told you don't go down there and say nothing but just apologize. Hold on a minute. He gets on the phone. My mom answers. Ms. Wilson, I told him, boy, don't go down there and say nothing.

He told your mom. That's the way to do, man. And, uh, hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got them. Do you want a white color or something here? Just hit it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

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My mom gets on the phone, what's going on? I'm like, I'm not playing this week. She's like, why? I was like, man, you know, me and coach got into it and this or that. And coach wants me to apologize. My, I ain't apologized. She was like, okay, well, we'll just do this. If you're not going to apologize for yourself, apologize.

for me. And I was like, are you kidding? She broke me. She broke me. So, man, I had to bend, you're talking about bending knee. I had to bend the knee, man. Mom's, and so I went down there and I was like, coach, man, you know, it's my bad, man, you know, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have walked out of practice. And that's all he wanted. He was like, all right, you're playing this week. So, Charles leaves you. He just walking in the hall too, the office, he kind of hit the door like that. You should have saw how slow I walked down there to his office, too, girls.

I bet. I bet. I was, I was fuming, yo. You brought up Schmitty, who is just in Michigan, like, the head trainer for the longest time. He's the guy that, like, you get an x-ray. He's like, Schmitty, what the x-ray say? X-rays don't talk, friend.

Yeah, you're trying to keep walking. Yeah, smart, smart-allie. And then Big John. Big John. Do you have any Big John stories? Because I'll preface one real quick. So, obviously, I was in the dark ages of Michigan with Rich Rodriguez and Brady, no disrespect to them.

It was just that time that the alum would come by and say, hey, you all suck. And that's just what it is. It's tough always having the guys in the 90s. Like, we had that too where guys, you guys aren't. Well, we had a, when we were at the Ohio State game this year, some guys came up and were talking. Hey, what years were you there again? I was like, oh, nine and 13.

They're like, oh, yeah, that's, that's a tough time. But when Rich Rodriguez, I'll bring in that, when Rich Rodriguez first got the job, there's a story that Big John would go at like five in the morning and get on the elliptical in the weight room, butt naked, nothing. And he was like a sloppy body cat. Yeah. And he was just on the elliptical sweat and dripping everywhere all over the place. And he was just in the most fun way that had crude, like over the top, like kind of just a horny old guy.

But he was like, this is just a lot of wild, dude. That being said. Yeah. I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't have the stories. Like some of my teammates have more in-depth stories of Johnny, but Johnny was, Big John was kind of like family guy. You know what I'm saying? Like just

inappropriately funny guy. You know what I'm saying? You always got one of the squad. Everybody watches the most innocent, fun way possible. We're not trying to soil Johnny. What? He said what?

He did what? He did what? Right. You know, so yeah, he was that guy, man. But he was a great guy, but yeah, it was a lot. A lot of stories. A lot of stories on Big John.

A lot of stories. I can't tell. Yeah. What, dude, what was it like? I know you've probably been asked this so much, but what was it like winning the Heisman over Payton Manning? I mean, and two, it's like it's Peyton Manning. You know, quarterbacks, it was also Ryan Leaf that year.

Randy Moss, Ryan. Randy Moss, but the quarterback, Peyton Manning, he's got the complexion for the protection. And you end up winning the Heisman, like being a two-way player. What was that like when you won that? Yeah, it was crazy is that. we got three first ballot Hall of Famers on there.

Me, Peyton, and Randy. And then at the time, you know, yeah, you got Ryan Leaf there who everybody thought, man, shit, he's going to be the guy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. With him and Payton coming out, a lot of people had Ryan Leaf ahead of him. But the thing about it is that, you know, I thought throughout the season, I thought I played myself into a position where people recognize who I was as a player

and I thought I was the best player, but I didn't think I was going to win the Heisman. Like, there was no way, you know, I was going to win the Heisman over Peyton, man. It just wasn't going to happen. You know, the whole season coming in, I think he had came back for his senior year, right year.

So, you know, that was really all of the talk. Unfinished business year. He came back for his senior year. Like, wow, what he's doing for the university, he's coming back for his guys, and he's coming back to win the Heisman trophy. like that was a foregone conclusion and so you know season carried on and what was great is watching the 30 for 30 that they just had that came out and because a lot of stuff you don't you don't

remember um but they had that that little ranking each week of who was ahead like you had paid and then it was um shit it was a running back I saw maybe it was Tavian Banks or some of Tavian banks and then like I was down here on the bottom and then I might move up and then Peyton may move down and then this guy may move up. So it was really interesting how it kind of played out throughout the year. And then when Michigan State happened and the one-hand catch happened, then I kind of stayed steady in a certain place. And then Penn State happened.

I'm playing both ways. I caught a touchdown pass that game. I'm playing against Juror Vicious. And I remember they asked me before that game, you know, did I think, before or after, did I think I was the best player in the country? I was like, yeah, I'm the best player in the country. but still not thinking they're going to, you know, I'm not winning.

Like put you over like a page. Yeah, not going to happen. Because it's such a like a focused position driving numbers. Like, your range is deeper. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game, you know. And so, and then Ohio State happens. And then here comes, you know, the ceremony.

And it's like, I'm there in New York to have a good time hanging out with Randy, hanging out with all the guys and just this is a cool experience. And then, you know, Rudy, Rudy Risky, I believe it was, opens an envelope. And he's like, from Michigan. Oh, man. It was like, my whole body just went limp. And if you watch it, you see Randy on the side.

He's like, get up. So he nudged me. I'm like, damn. I just wouldn't high. What was the highest you got on the list like throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling? Like maybe there's a dark, like a long shot? I think I got up to one, I believe.

but it kind of it just rotated so it was one and two right maybe three then two than one so it was it was kind of cool you know to see some of the footage because like I said a lot of that stuff man it's a long time ago for me but a lot of stuff you don't you don't remember interviews that you did you know certain things other people said um so yeah man it was cool to relive that how people don't talk about this but like you win the highs man obviously such a surreal moment your blood's pumping. Like, how stressful and nervous were you giving the speech, accepting your husband's a trophy?

Dude, I didn't have, I didn't have, I had nothing. Yeah. I had nothing. I had nothing. Thank you. Family. Yeah. Like, yo, this is insane.

Like, probably without the footage, he probably doesn't you remember, like, giving a speech. Well, I remember, you know, getting up and, of course, you know, thinking my mom. And then I, I know I probably did. I made some reference to somebody else who I thought should have wanted, but didn't win it and then finally they got it right or something something crazy like that but I didn't I didn't have a speech because I was like like I said I'm here to just enjoy this moment and I get up and write nothing down no it is kind of

it's kind of a bad look not a bad look but when they pull up the crinkle piece of paper yeah yeah yeah I don't like to do that just as a general rule I don't like to read from anything if I'm talking I just like to talk but yeah I went there man just nothing man do you when you think about like the college football

landscape now all the NIL stuff how would you had to be going crazy you'd have been I mean you've been a seven figure

cat I got I got one year left you're trying to get after I got one year yeah just go to ride the bench but I'd make seven figures I'm just saying

how many plays you think you give to a college game in college right right now if you play I'll run that shit right now. You think so?

You don't think you'd be blowing a hammy out there. No. Hey, listen, I don't know if anybody told you got a little salt in that beer. Hey, a little bit. A little bit. I believe in Charles. Yeah, yeah. I still run around a little bit.

I still get after. Yeah. I give him some work out there, straight up. In college? You playing corner? Oh, yeah. I could play anything, anything. He'd be like Travis Hunter, Colorado.

I'd be like him. Yeah. He truly plays both the ways. I think that is insane thing he has that. That's crazy. I tell people like I like dibbled and dabbled on offense. I didn't play a whole lot of offense. It just seems like it.

He plays offense and defense like literally. That's crazy. When you like don't come off the field. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense? Oh, man.

I think receiver. I think he's nasty at receiver. Yeah. I mean, it's a good corner. I'll get me wrong. But I see his his office. defensive skills, man. I think it's offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills. What's interesting, too, is like your story back when you were, you know, with your mom and coach

and like not playing, like situations like that, I feel like these days, like you could just, if you're upset, you could just bounce. Eat quick. Yeah. Yeah. And not have any any repercussions. Like, it used to be where if you went to another D1 school, you had to sit out a whole year. And so now it's like, what? Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some. big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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Listen to how hard can it be with the Anna Maria Riva, as part of My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like,

After you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Coach? Oh, I don't worry about I won't be here tomorrow. You can just leave. Do you think, like, when you were a freshman at Michigan, that, like, was there any time of time if there was an opportunity to go on the transfer portal that you might have thought about? Well, that time we talked about with Coach Carr.

So when I went back to my dorm room, it was funny because we had a couple of guys who visited the University of Miami. Were you in the West Quad? I was in West Quad. Yeah. And so after practice, a couple of guys, my boys, man, what happened? I was like, man, I don't know, man. Coats tripping, man. I said, man, I'm out of here, man.

It was like, what? I said, man, I'm going to Miami, man. I'm transferring out of here. I don't want to be here. Man, we're going to. Man, let's do it. A serious. So we had like a little mute.

going on for like 24 hours. Yeah, a little crew. You know what I was it? Dismantle, the University of Michigan. Yeah, I'm like, man, I'm leaving. But I think that's probably how it happens, you know, with a lot of guys, you know, you have an altercation with a coach, and you go back to the room and there's nobody to talk you down from that ledge,

and you're like, I'm out. I don't got to deal with this. And nowadays it's easier than ever to say, I don't want to deal with it. Yeah. It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability in a locker room that's so important in football. so important in football. Yeah. It's a key dude to capable.

And that's what, that's what hard what Michigan did with, and the reason why I feel like they won and were so dominant is because they really had grown men out there. You know what I'm saying? We got a bunch of,

you know, junior, seniors, guys who came back. And so if you look at what, you know, Ohio State is doing right now, they're trying to, you know,

buy all these players, trying to get all this, this quick fix. It's hard to, it's hard to build it that way. You know what I'm saying? If you're trying to do that every year, like you've got to have,

kind of a nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can build a program with. So it's going to get harder and harder for coaches to kind of maintain that because there used to be truly like a loyalty to school. Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you can get, you know, trying to get the most out of it for yourself. So it's going to be hard for coaches. Because that's an interesting thing is like having loyalty to yourself and your school. Even when you play, when we play, like that was still.

there. Like, you still wanted to benefit yourself playing well, and the team do well as, you know, at the same time. But now it's like, it's Wild West. Yeah. Yeah. With Ohio State, the way they're setting up this year, they're spending so much money in NIL bringing these guys in there, if they don't, essentially, if they don't win the national championship, it's, it's right. Yeah. Like, it's over. So that's, that's definitely the type of pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right, I got the best guy from here, the best guy from here, best guy from here. and then you get them all together and it doesn't work

it's like, you know, people start looking at you real crazy. Yeah. And you see, like, go ahead. I was just going to know, if you got more in college, I was going to start to dabble in the NFL world. I got a couple more things in college.

Just this year, Sharon Moore, obviously, like I'm a massive Sharon Moore fan. I think he deserved that job. They made the right to- smash. Yeah, he is, he's the dude for the university. Yeah. But he lost a lot of players, like 18 dudes

and probably going to get drafted. Then coaching staff. And yeah, he lost the job. DC, lost the string coach, which I think is like the most devastating loss. Like Herb, we had the opportunity to go there and meet and talk with him. He was kind of going. Strength and conditioning? Yes.

Oh, man. That's my God, man. Yeah. How he evaluates hips, knees, everything, the grading scale, they put everybody on. Like, you walk away from that, been like, damn, I wish. No, he was next. Yeah. I was playing because it was like a guy like, this is a dude you have for all of college.

And then in the off season, you're back in Ann Arbor. Like trying to get whatever you came with him. I took my son up to a little two day camp they had up there. and he just had a certain easy way that he does pull-ups. Shit, I went back home and I was doing him that way. You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of guy he was, man. Yeah.

What's like most reasonable expectation for the University of Michigan in 2024 season? I think it's going to be tough. You know, looking at the schedule. I was looking at the other day. We got Texas coming in the second game. It's a tough schedule. Washington, USC, UCLA, Penn State, Ohio State. I think we got Oregon.

until. Yeah. And, and, you know, you just look at Texas, they have their guy, their quarterback's coming back. You know what I mean? So they have, you know, what we have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves. You got a Texas team that just was in the playoffs as well. They're still building on that and still have a lot of things in place. And then they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll be, it'll be tough sledding for him just because he's rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing, I don't think anything hurts him more than losing. staff, losing guys that were in there in place, you know, losing, being strength and conditioning coach, you lose your defensive coordinator, you know, he's gone. A few other guys have left as well.

I think Jim's, is it Jim's son that's on the staff that he just left? Jim Harbaugh? I don't know. I'm not even sure. You would assume he's taking a couple offensive guys. Yeah, so a lot of guys left, man. So I don't know. It'd be interesting, but it's going to be a It's going to be a tough sled. The Ann Arbor, best place to go eat college kid. I got the place in my head right now, but I don't want to sleep. Well, I mean, with NIL? No, no, no, no, we're talking.

We're talking you get those little chits, like those little coupons that are like two free... Well, for me, for me, it was cottage in. Cottagen did hit. Yeah, cottage. Cottagen, I don't think we... It's a little pizza spot. Did you guys get the little pieces of paper, the chits? Yeah, like 15 bucks on ours.

Yeah. See, ours was you got like two medium pizzas and like a soda or something like... that you go smack one of those things. Barbecue you can say it was nice. We are, this podcast is Mr. Spots. Mr. Spots? Yeah, like Mr. Spots. But me, but me, I was, it was

pizza for me, man. And Cotagin, they had the best pizza. And I always felt like Cotagin was out of all the places that we could get. So, you know, he had Mr. Spots, you had Cottergen. And we only had like four different places you can go

from. Like, that one to me was like, the most like I felt like I was really doing something if I went in the college cottage in and got something you know what I'm saying the restaurant type of yeah yeah yeah it was like yeah yeah you know I felt like I was doing something you know what I mean so cottage inn was that deal last last college was when we go to the NFL top five players University of Michigan history but not like obviously like the argument here would be Tom Brady like would Tom Brady be a top five Michigan football player industry right right right right right right put you in there but you at one

So you don't have to do it yourself. I've got to put myself in there. Yeah. Well, could I put myself in on offense and defense? And I can be in a... You can do that. He takes you with one. I like that.

Oh, man, that's pretty tough. I'm going to say, Desmond. I'd have to go Anthony Carter. That's tough. Just get my man Hutch in there. Steve Hutchison. Can I sneak you with one maybe? Jake Long.

Okay, so I got two receivers in right now, so I've already broken that mode, and I got two, so that would be two offensive tackles. Oh, no, the choice of the guard. But also Blake Coram. Yeah, because you got some recent guys in there. Let's put Blake in there.

Let's put Blake in there. For what he did, these last couple of seasons, and he's rocking the deuce out there, too. Let's do that. So that's five, right? That's five. That's five. Okay. That was a tough question.

It was, uh, help me out, is, was Blake's, uh, stats overall better than Hart? Oh, yes. Okay. I just remember being young and Hart was like the guy. I think touchdown wise for sure, I think, because he got a bunch of touchdowns. He has the most touchdowns by any Michigan player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he like, I think he blew it out.

Oh, I didn't he blew it out. I think he'd beat about one or two. Yeah. But did it with only like three years starting. Yeah. As opposed to, was it Anthony? Anthony. And Anthony Thomas?

Yeah, he was at like 55, four-year starter. And he got like 57 of 86. My cart had 5,000 three-reruption rights. Mike Hart did? It was real. What did the core on have? He's number seven, three thousand seven hundred and six. All right.

Yeah, but the thing is, is even though you have all the yards and stuff, it's still about impact too. Yeah. Like his impact on the team is one of those things that, you know, it might not be top five in rushing or whatever, but his impact on coming back, you know what I'm saying, and then his impact, just his presence on the field, man.

So like my man, Bert. Yeah. I don't even, I mean, you had such an incredible NFL career as well. It's kind of like hard to focus on something or start somewhere. But I am curious, like, you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time,

and then you had that Stinn in Green Bay where you played a lot of good ball, and then you come back to Oakland. Like when you were in, hit free agency. Like you were somebody who were franchise tagged, right? Yep. So like was there, when you left Oakland the first time, was there like bitterness with the organization when going to Green Bay? Like, because you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such a great player for them when they kind of like let you go elsewhere, was there like any resentment? Was

there any bitterness of the business per se? Yeah, kind of, because I never thought that I would leave Oakland. And the bitterness was more so with... Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call. about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say,

Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.

And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time.

You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenaposal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on the... my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that?

I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with a new guy? That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter,

and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, How Hard Can It Be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, like the GM at the time. So not necessarily just Raiders, it was just the GM.

You know, and I think at that time, you know, they, you know, told my ages or something that there was, you know, no value to bringing me back to the Raiders and that was coming from that side. And so it was like, you know, saying, what are you talking about? So, yeah, it was a little bitterness in that regard. But I was also, like I said, I didn't think I would leave there. But then it was, I got franchise tags, so I was free. could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know, I was going to have my picket or litter, you know, anywhere I wanted to go, you know, I was going to be able to go. And it, man, it was, it was dry as the Sahara out there, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it was, it was kind of crazy. And so,

you know, I went in thinking one thing and then my experience wasn't all that great, you know, and so through the process, Green Bay began to call my agents and, you know, one of the, you know, wanted to bring me in. And, you know, I was reluctant. I was like, nah, I'm not going to Green Bay. So there was no really no reason for me to visit there. And so called again. And when everything was really, like, quiet from everyone else, you know, I had my agent

reaching out to other people and nobody was biting. So I was like, all right, well, let me go to Green Bay because we got at least try to draw some interests from, I'll go there. Maybe somebody else would be like, all right, well, some other people are checking for them. man it was it was crazy yo but if green bay didn't want me i don't i really don't know where where i would have played in 2006 really yeah really why do you think it was so dry like at the pre-agency market you know just there was a lot of lot of things out there one i did come off of injury i broke my leg in 2005 so i missed the final 10 games of the season um and then people

talked about my attitude and talked about, you know, just a lot of different things. And so, and I think some of that came from the Raider side as well, just, you know, putting some stuff out there. You know, yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, right. Because Mike McCarthy asked when I first met with Mike, because it was his first, I think it was his first year, it was my first year. He asked me about in our meeting. He was like, oh, what is this about you, you know, being a bad, bad team guy, bad locker room guy. And I was like, what? Like, man, you can't talk to any players I played with that say I'm a bad locker room guy. So I don't know where that's coming from.

So there was some things being put out there that muddied the water. And so, yeah, it was just, it was a little tough, tough period, man, to kind of go through as a guy who I had done everything. Oh, yeah. So I'm like, damn, that's how they, that's how they really feel. Yeah. Did you have any moments that you felt like they were defining you? you buy that you might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders that allowed them to say, what's this about you being a bad team guy?

Yeah, I mean, I had some asshole in me. I ain't going to say that. Yeah. But in terms of, you know, player and, you know, guys in the locker room, nah, it wouldn't have been from that. But, yeah, I mean, I have my, I have my issues with coaches at times. Um, you know, I like to hang out, do my thing, you know what I'm saying, outside of playing football. So, you know, maybe that could have had something to do with it. Who knows? Um, but in terms of being able to play the game and, you know, just overall, you know, good dude. I'm

a good dude. You know what I'm saying? Can you speak to, uh, like, your development in the, the film room? Because obviously, like, you're a guy, you were, you're an all-American coming out, Heisman trophy winner, top five pick. Like, you have all the accolades, right? Like, it's like, oh, he's just so talented, he's super talented. But I was fortunate enough to play with Will Blackman for a couple years. And when Will and I, we would have our sushi nights and stuff. But he would talk about you as somebody who was always like last in the building, and he would learn a lot of his study habits from you.

You feel like you had those throughout your entire career. You developed them as you got older because he always said the best things about you. And I feel like something like that, like being a student of the game, kind of gets slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades in the world. Yeah, I think it compounds over time because you do start out, you know, like myself, I was a great athlete. So a lot of stuff is going to come easy, you know, so you don't necessarily have to spend as much time looking at certain things. But the one thing that I've always had as a player was I've had great play recall. You know what I mean?

So when you're out there on the field and you see certain things, you start to pick up on tendencies. Like I always had that without necessarily having to look at film. And so then, you know, as your career goes on, you take different methods from different coaches. Like, Vance Bepford, like I remember, you know, just going back to a certain play. We played Northwestern my junior year, and it was a third and long situation. And me and him had went over what they liked to do in that situation, and they ran out, and I picked that out off. So different things you pick up from different coaches. Chuck Begano was another guy who worked on me on third down as well, you know, being around.

him I learned a lot on third down tendencies, you know, that being money down. And so over time, then you start developing your own style of how you like to see things. And so for me, like I said, I always had, you know, good play recall. What I would start to do in my study is I would start to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard line all the way to the one yard line, but in the same personnel. So I wanted to see you from the one. to the one, same person I want to see it in all parts of the field. Because you'll run certain things from first to five, first to 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 40, 40 to 20, you know what I'm saying?

And a lot of it mirrors what you do from here to here. You know what I mean? So like you take a wheel, for example, you know, I would have my film broken up certain ways. And then I would tell those guys, this is how I would like to look at the film. And so we would, you know, when we'd have our times together in our film room, we would look at the film. and then we start going over these things. And when I would see something that would kind of, they may get to it a different way, but it's the same thing.

I would go back to it. All right, now watch this. Watch how this team lines up on this play and runs it. Now watch them motion to it and run it. But it's the same thing. So I was always taught it's not how you line up. It's how you wind up. So those are the things that I was able to pass along to those guys.

And for me, it just over time, it was, I got gradually even better at it. You found like another way to prepare and be like, okay. Add it to your game. That fires me up as a defensive guy. That's football porn right there. It seems like you had a good way of simplifying things. Exactly.

Emotions and stuff like that. This is the same thing, just a little extra dressing on it. To go back to like the, you know, tough locker room guy or these being put into a box of a category of your character, for Charles Woodson, how when you're hearing these things from different coaches from different GMs. Like how did you, is that like motivation for you? Like, I'll prove you wrong and this is why.

Or how do you handle those types of things when someone might be putting you in a corner and saying you're like this when you truly don't feel you're like that? Actually, I was kind of hurt, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that kind of hurt. You know, because I'd never, throughout my whole life

had never been in a position where people doubted me. You know what I'm saying? Never. And so that was a period where it was like there was some doubt cast over me as a as a football player. Now, Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to us.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about, what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it

one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life

one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS.

All of a sudden I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How high can it be? Getting naked at 50 with the new guy.

That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. This is my best friend, Janet. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider.

This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here?

Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.

Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky. I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You're lucky. I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh.

Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You may not like me as a person or whatever that is, but like on the football field, like to have somebody say, man, he can't do that anymore. He's always hurt. He's injury prone. He's dad and that's like, dang. Damn, that kind of broke me down a little bit. And so when I first got to Green Bay, you know, there was just a period in there where I was like, damn, I don't even want to play football anymore.

You know what I'm saying? At Green Bay? Yeah, when I first got there and I first signed, you know, I called a few people who are close to me and I was like, yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm going to hang it up. and it was my agent at the time, Kevin Posting, he said, hey man, he said, you signed the contract, right? I was like, yeah, I signed the contract. He was like, well, that's like giving your word. And I was like, yeah?

He was like, you at least need to play one year. You know what I'm saying? Because you've signed the contract, you gave me your word, at least need to play one year. And so I was like, yeah, you know what? That makes sense. That makes sense. So, you know, I got through that little period, and then, you know, things just started to take off and slow down in Green Bay where I was like, all right, I'm back. You guys had a good team, too.

It looked fun. Like everybody talked about your schematics defensively. Why am I forget his name, coordinator? Well, that was later, you're talking about Dom Capers. Okay. That was later on. When I first got there, it was another guy. But in terms of having fun, we had a great group, especially secondary-wise.

Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tremine Williams had just come in, some other young guys, Atari, Big Beets. So like our secondary, you know, then young Will comes in. We had just some young good guys on that secondary man. And it was great because, you know, when you talk about Will, I have some young guys that kind of looked up to me. And so, you know, kind of watching what I did

and talk about the film study and all those sorts of things. So then it really became fun because then it was almost like a responsibility. How am I going to help these guys, you know, get to the next level? Yeah. And it was really about going out there and showing them for the most part. But then just those little things like, you know, finding your own way to watch the film that makes it easier for you. Right. And then you grow from there.

When did you find that transition of like when you first in the league and you get in a locker with a lot of NFL players? You're like, oh, shit, that's the so-and-so. Oh, that's this guy. and then eventually it flips where people are coming in and they're a fan of you now. Yeah, yeah, you're a hunk. You're the dude that people are like, yo, let me watch film with you.

And like, where do you think that switch turned for you in your NFL career where it was like, okay, I'm now the guy that's supposed to be leading, not following. Following for lack of a better word, because you're always going to do you when you're young. It's just like you're looking up to these guys, now guys are looking up to you. It was probably started around six years in

because that's when, because so when I first came in like Tim Brown Tim Brown was in the locker room you know what I'm saying? Napoleon Kaufman who I watched in college and then he was with the Raiders um

who else do we have man I dude I just saw him to I think of it a minute but in a minute but Russell Maryland Pat Swilling um

it was it was It's crazy, you know what I'm saying? Because when you're young, you don't think you'll catch those guys. Because it seems like it's far away. And then Jerry Rice came in. Like, holy shit. These dudes are in the same locker room, you know? And so then around six years in, then those guys are gone.

Tim's gone. Jerry's, he's gone now. So now those older guys are kind of peeling off. And so now you're starting to be one of the older guys. And so then it kind of becomes, oh, man, you know, I used to watch you. Then as you get older, you get the Green Bay. Oh, man, yeah, I used to watch you. And then all of a sudden, your grandpa, he's like, damn.

How did this happen? When a rookie comes in there like, yo, I used to watch you in high school. Yeah. Yeah. High school? Right, right. They really have been in the league for a while. Maybe I kind of am him.

No doubt. Who are some of the best leaders you've been around? And maybe they weren't the biggest names either. But who were some of the best leaders that you've been around? Like Tim Brown, he was a great leader. I thought that one of my favorite guys who was with the Raiders when I first got there was Eric Turner, you know, who passed away. Maybe like my second or third year in the NFL, Eric Allen, you know, tremendous guys. Like I feel like when I came in, we had, we had like real, real veterans of the game.

You know what I'm saying? You know, guys who, you know, had been through a lot and just, you know, they respected the game. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had respect for the people who came before them. Like, I played with those kind of guys, man. And so I would say those are the guys who, you know, come off at the top of my mind when I first got in. You had two boys, right?

I got two boys, yeah. Two boys. How has it been with them starting to play sports? And you kind of like, hey, the expectation is not to win a Heisman and the defensive player of the year, first round pick. Like how do you temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to you as a father and I want to be like you and succeed you essentially? Yeah, it's funny because I have the conversation with them.

And it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know, I can tell my oldest, you know, hey man, You know, look, you got all the talent in the world. You know, you'll be compared. We got the same name, you know, but you can't worry about that. You know, you just got to go do your thing. Whatever's going to happen is going to happen. He's like, okay, yeah, that, appreciate it.

I tell my youngest son, hey, man, you know, you don't got to be this or that. Dad, I'm going to be in a hall of fame with you, so. Whatever. How do you feel when he says that? I'm like, cool. You know what I'm saying? You got to speak it first, you know what I mean? Are you like, hey, you guys are going to go to Michigan?

kind of unofficially yeah yeah yeah if they're highly recruited man are you going to be hey well i i you know i do i do tell those guys man listen i want you to be able to make your own decision wherever you know when it comes to that point but there's just one place you you can't go yeah you know what i'm saying oh wow state come on man can't go hey hypothetical for whatever reason your kids are playing you're they're playing ball they're getting offers, but they're like small V1 offers. You're getting some Max, you're getting some some App State type of V-1s. But there was one big team that comes in and happens to be Ohio State. Here's my question, though. Why would you ask that question?

I'm a disruptor. I'm a disruptor. Yeah, Ohio State's more taking a shot. Yeah. Okay. Full ride? Oh, yeah. What we talk about it's all full, right? Hey, hey, A, N I am? Oh, yeah. I might have to think. You look at the scrolling in Grail? Hey, NIL, full ride, nobody else is calling it. I might have to think about it. That would be so tough.

Are you going to walk in that stadium in New Jersey? You know, it's so tough for him, bro. We're in red. I'm going to, I'm going to watch him to blimp. Yeah, I'm going to watch from the blimp. Yeah, you have to watch them home. Or something. Or something.

Yeah, yeah, that's funny. That's a good question. That'd be a hard situation. Oh, that'd be tough. Were you in Green Bay with Far Van Rob. Rogers? Yeah, I first got there. Farve was there. What was that drama like? You know, everybody got to see, you know, Farv retires, he comes back, you know, they'd never, you know, they wouldn't see eye to eye. There's obviously been a lot of public conversation and, and, like,

transparency or subjective opinion around it. Like, what was it like or being kind of like in that drama or around it? Well, I think for, I think the guys on the defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because it's more, you know, he's in a, you know, he's in a, you know, Brett and A-Ride, they're in the meetings together all the time. They're always on the offensive side. So we really didn't get into that portion. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds.

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to replace him. Right. But I never really laid eyes on like visible tension between them because I wasn't paying attention to it. Right. You know what I mean? So. Yeah, it wasn't anything that I really could comment on because I wasn't in the middle of it. I didn't care. Yeah, yeah. To be honest. Yeah. No, that's fair.

I mean, I'm trying to win a Super Bowl. And usually it's a coach, it's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over here in 12. And you're just thinking, like, yeah, he does a good job, practice squad. But we should be there picking this ball off right now. And we knew it, man. We knew it right away. Like when Brett was kind of in or out, you know, coming back or not coming back. And we would play, you know, against A-Rod.

in those practices and it was like oh yeah when Brett leagues we're gonna we're gonna be fine Haggson beth they've been pretty

spoiled quarterback franchise yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah found another one it looks like yeah

as you transitioned out of football like how difficult was it for you to like did you feel completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career or was there a point when you first left or you're like

you're lacking fulfillment into competitive nature, that first fall, not playing ball? How did you handle that situation? No, well, two great things. One, I won a Super Bowl. So I think had I retired and not won a Super Bowl, then I would always think about, man, what if, what if, you know, would have could have shoulda and that sort of thing.

Hey, let me tell you something right now. That hurts sitting on this side of the couch. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

Sorry. So, no, yeah. So, I got that. And then when I retired, you know, I really didn't know what I was going to do after I retired. But what happened was, you know, you get these articles that they write up about current players who are retiring, who may be good on television. And so after I retired, I went right into television, right? I started working for ESPN. So I really didn't have a time to really like be retired and be scared about.

that whole transition because I really went right into something. So I would say I'm very fortunate that that happened because I didn't have to sit around like looking back at, oh man, I don't have anything to do, you know, football's gone, you know, so I was, I was blessed to have that happen. And then third, I would say, I play 18 years. And so, you know what I'm crazy, man. You know what I'm saying? I like that answer just turned my question to a dumbass question. Yeah. I play 18 years. And so I feel like the thing for me that I always think about is that I remember the morning where I knew I was done playing. And it was against Detroit.

We're in Detroit. And I remember looking out the window and it was snowing. And Detroit's in the dome so it don't matter. But I remember looking out and saying, man, if they canceled the game today, I would be okay. And as soon as I said that to myself, I was like, it's over. And so that morning, that day, I mentally, I retired. So I always say that I actually had, that was like the 10th game of the season, I actually had six more games where I was able to play after I retired.

So I fulfilled myself as a player and then I got to come out of retirement and play again for six more games. So, dude, my journey has been, I wouldn't trade it. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't trade it. And when you were talking about, hey, I'm going to wrap, I'm going to be done my career. What year was that? 2015.

Yeah. So that's, I mean, imagine walking away from the game when you were with the Packers. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. That would have been, yeah, eight years. I would have played eight years. And I wouldn't be on busing with the boys.

Bro, yeah. Hey, you guys would be on him. You'd be like, remember, that one guy, he wasn't the highest in the, remember? What was his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What got you transitioned into being an entrepreneur with the wine and the whiskey? Yeah, so I got into the wine early, man.

When I was with the Raiders, our training camp was in Napa Valley. And so, you know, each year training camp I was out and about, you know, great restaurants all over the valley. And everyone was drinking wine, like, all the time. Like morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine. So I just got really interested in it and created my first label in 2005. And then around 2017-18, Intercept was born. So first I was coming out of Napa Valley, now it's in Paso Roebles.

And then I kind of always wanted a spirit to be a part of, you know, just my experience. And so a few years back, I met my partner of mine now. And we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky. And that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if I don't go to the Raiders, I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey. So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity. I don't know why I saw it, but I saw it. And then, bam, here we go.

Will, uh, meant to ask. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, he could, can he? We got any, you got any cups? We got something around you. You got to have something. You got to have something. You got to have some.

Can you talk about your relationship with, uh, with Mark Davis? Yeah, great, great relationship with Mark, man. Are you Raiders over Michigan? I'm, I'm a Raider fan, man. I'm not Raiders over. I can't do a Raiders over Michigan. Right, right, right, right. You know, uh, I mean, you're like one of this.

You're like, you're obviously an ambassador, but yeah, you're always in, you're always in the mix with, uh, with the, Silver. I was in the mix, man. And, you know, it was just all about, you know, a respect thing. You know, Mark respected the way that I played the game. I think he appreciated it, you know, when I came back the second time around. And, you know, he had taken over and just, you know, playing on some teams that we didn't have a lot.

But just watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes banged up, fingers messed up, ribs and all it. He was like, man, you showed the guys what it was like, you know, to be a raider. So, yeah. That's awesome. Raiders do a fantastic job. I mean, I only played a total of like maybe 10, 12 games. I do have a brick. Ah, you got a brick.

But going off that, I feel like the Raiders do such a fantastic job of like taking care of. Bringing back the guys, once a Raider, always a raider. You hear it? You hear it. Yeah. Damn. You would have been a great Raider, man. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was some, there were some, there were some chirps. Yeah, man. Absolutely. This is my commemorative bottle. So this is only, this is only sold in Nevada. This one right here?

Yep, only sold in Nevada. So this is a two-year straight whiskey coming straight out of, straight out of Kentucky. Give it something, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. So as I pour the glass and I swore it along, I love the texture holding to the sides of the glass,

and slowly dripping back down. Yeah. It's a really good whiskey. As you sip it, I like to put all around. on the mouth, no pause. And take it. Because what I do like to do, what I find the whiskey, which is different, is seeing how much it's going to sting as I swallow it.

As it goes down. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So no paws. No paw. He's a swallow. Oh, God. I think the flavor has got a nice sweetness to it.

Ah, yeah. The temperature as it goes down my throat, no pause, is not harsh. It's not something that I'm going to go and take down and be like, oh, that was a little tough maybe they should put something in there to take away that bite um sits on the tummy just right oh man it hits that bell in you kind of feel like oh i have a warm and sensation if it's a cool day outside i put that in there i know internally i'm getting the heat i need overall 4.5 4.5 out of five i think i can i hope it's out of five i hope it's i don't tell you this is this is good bar would you like me to go yeah how did you feel about that i'm close with what you're saying i feel like

I taste and feel a lot of the things that you're talking about. I think it's got a... Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just

contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what should we should call it.

We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title

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We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer. They had a bogo. Well, then you got it.

Do you want a white collar something here? Just hit it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you believe?

I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer.

I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what.

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After you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A nice, sweet heat up front, like not too much of that peppery up front. You're kind of thinking to yourself, like, is it going to sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle down your throat very smoothly. And now that I'm in my third or four sip, it's got a nice warm, not like a harsh, where it kind of messes up your chest.

So I just sitting on your stomach. It's very comfortable. Especially on an empty stomach. I don't know if you've eaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I am hungry. And overall, I would give it a 4.5.

Yeah. That's 4%. So we're going to take that as a 9 out of 10. So our dumpstick is it's not about, it's always going to be 4.5 because nothing's ever perfect. But it's the description in which you hear that you can establish, is that 4.5 out of 5? is it out of 20. So that's for the viewer to decide what it goes out of. Like even a harsh, a bad whiskey,

it's still good at 4.5. But you would explain it in a way of like, that's not my favorite. Too strong. My eyes are watering. Not a lot of taste in that. That's a good whiskey. No, I like that.

I like that. That's a good way to put that, though. I like the whole four out of five portion of it. You don't know if it's 4.5 out of 150, 20, but it's 4.5. But I love your description. And so I had to come out here to get this, matter of fact, not too long ago. And the first thing I thought was, there was a sweetness in, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

Like what I, what sweetness is it was. So later on I'll drink it again. I'll have something for you. Because it does, my first thought is caramel. Like there's a caramel sweet. Well, usually you get a little, and your bourbons, you know, get a little bit of that caramel, a little bit of that vanilla. But there's something else. I just can't.

Because there's a lot of whiskey where it'll sting, it'll sting your lips. And you never get the, you never get the flavor. Right, right, right, right. So I, I, I needed to have,

and I always want to have something that, man, you can enjoy. And a lot of people want, you know, barrel strength, whiskeys, you know, which is great. You got to put you a cube in it. That's cool.

And we'll do some things like that as well. But your everyday whiskey, what I want you to enjoy on game day, I want you to be able enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. Not just, you know, put the cube in or, or, I don't need you to do all that. Yeah.

Do you like, are you more of a fan of your whiskey or the wine? No, I mean, they're both my, my kids. I know you love both, but if you're, what wins more? What wins more? If we said to you right now, who's your favorite child at this moment? You're not, you're going to say I love them both the same, but you're going to think of one name first. Yeah.

No, no, no, no. I'll tell you right. Okay. I can do it. I don't do the Dion. I don't do the Dionne thing. I was going to say, Dion, Dion, Dion, Dion brings his kids. I love it.

I think it's hilarious. I love both my babies the same with my boys. But there's what's way more than others at certain times. Well, what I would say, though, what I would say with the whiskey is that it's more interactive. That makes sense because there's a lot of things you can do with it. You know, so if I was going to have a party or get together or something, and we wanted to make a bunch of different things out of that whiskey. Oh, man.

We got a whole range of things. that we can do. We can make espresso martinis, manhattans, old fashions, paper planes. We can do all these different things. And we can make some with the wine as well. We do a little, it's called one of the restaurants I go that have both of my products. It's called Intercept Sour. So it has their house-made sour mix, my red blend, which is not there, and my whiskey, and they mix it in this nice little.

I feel like you, I feel like, you know what I'm saying? Do you have a cigar? Not shit. I was going to say, I feel like you got the whiskey. I feel like you got the nice, the aged beard that's really well done. I feel like you're a cigar guy. Yeah. Did you like that when the Raiders would pull that out after the victory?

Yeah, talk about AP getting the head coaching job. Yeah, I think Mark had to do it, man. Had to do it. There was a groundswell of support for AP. And just the way he came in, man, and the way that the team just really responded to him. I thought they had to do it, so I'm excited for them. And I was able to go and talk to them before they went and played Indianapolis. And I told the guys, I said, hey, man, I can't wait until I get the chance to come in the locker room and hang out at Club Raider with you guys.

And so last game of the season against Denver, I got a chance to get into Club Raider after the game. Max Krausbek running around. Yeah. Hands me in the cigar. And that was a moment, man. That was a real moment. And so I love it. I think AP is going to, he's going to, you know, do a great job.

I think he's going to, you know, hopefully, you know, he's a great, a talent, evaluator along with the new GM man, and they get guys in here that love the game of football and want to be Raiders. And so if he can accomplish that, it would be right. We'll be right. And we appreciate you coming on. This has been incredible, man. There was one quick story I do want to tell.

It was after my rookie year and I was in town. We were doing a charity event. I believe it was yours and Hutchinson's charity event. And I went to my old house because obviously a couple guys were there that I used to live at. And I was damn near blackout drunk. And I was on some extracurriculars as well.

You come a long way from that baby swimming pool. No question. I was in the baby swimming pool. Dude, a car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks out. You know the little pools that you fill up for like two-year-olds? Yeah. This guy. Sitting in it.

And we, you know, the, you seen the house I lived on. It was like right on that main street called State Street. Yeah, right on Strait. Not far from, not far from Sin back there. Not far from Schenbeckler. He pulls up because I was supposed to go to that charity event tonight. I ended up going blackout. It was a terrible experience for everybody else but me.

But he pulls up and all my boys are there. And you came up, dat me up. We talked for a second. I got back in that tub after you left. I felt like the fucking man. I was like, you know, he just pulled up just to say what's up and left. Randomly riding down the street. Taylor LeWan in a baby swimming pool?

I got to see what's going on over here. That was an interesting time of my life. Will has heard some stories about me at Michigan and a couple first couple years. I know. The Taylor I know is way different. All of you offensive linemen, man, you guys are crazy. Nuts.

Yeah, you guys are crazy. Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit. Thank God because I would have been out of the league and I heard. Who knows where you'd be right now? No, I'd be dead in the ditch somewhere. This is what I tell people before you're in is you're a different person you do things differently.

And so we all came into the NFL. You played, you know, how many every years, and you do a lot of dumb shit. And so what I tell young guys is like, I hope you make it to the other side. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people in those first couple of years, they get into some shit, they never recover.

But if you can play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself somewhat clean and keep yourself fit and ready to play, and you can get to the other side, man, it's so much, so much better. You know what I'm saying? But you don't know unless you get over it. Right.

I'm happy you made it to the other side. Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a cool transition. It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition and then be sitting, you know, out of the league and knowing like, man, what could I have actually done if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way? And so it was, it's really cool.

But that moment was awesome, man. No doubt. That was a very cool moment. Dude, thanks for coming on. Yeah, man. This is all time. Please subscribe. Hey, Dad, Dad, Charles Wilson.

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