Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Connor Stalions Reveals Art Of Sign Stealing + Details In The Michigan Manifesto

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

Recorded October 8, 2024: In this episode of Best of the Bus, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sat down with the star of Netflix’s Original Documentary, Untold: Sign Stealer, Connor Stalions — the alleged “Sign Stealer” from the Michigan Wolverines football program. Connor dove deep into his journey with the Wolverines, the art of locating and deciphering opposing teams’ signals, and the strategy he developed to help Michigan win the 2023 National Championship. He shed light on his role in the controversial “sign stealing” allegations and shared his perspective on what really happened behind the scenes. Will and Taylor also touched on the Wolverines’ dominance in the Big Ten during Stalions’ tenure, Michigan’s rivalry with Ohio State, and the inception of the Michigan Manifesto. Connor described the dark underbelly of college football and the black market dealings of “sign traders.” He denied, clarified, and introduced multiple allegations that had been thrown his way — even noting other teams in FBS college football that were still using “sign stealers” to this very day. This one was a BANGER!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Michigan, man. We were talking before about a little football, a little everything. But let me give you. my thought of who you are. Okay. And we can go from there because I want to get in your Michigan fandom to start. Every major program has a top 5% of fans that are true psychos when it comes to their program. Ohio State has it. Michigan has it, Alabama, Georgia, all these Nebraska. All of them have these crazy fans that live and die with their program.

You are one of the five percent that actually made a difference in their program. besides cheering on Saturdays. Is that, is that a fair way to put you? I mean, I guess, yeah. You take a lot of pride in that? I guess. I just love Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And that wasn't me saying crazy as like a shot or anything like that. It's just like every, all these big programs have these guys that like, love, love Michigan, love Nebraska, like, love all those things. And every one of those fans think to themselves, how can I help the school become better? better. Right. And you literally had the traits and the abilities with your military background and your ability to break down all of these things that you watch in your documentary. Yeah. That you truly were able to help a team. Yeah. That's got to feel amazing. I mean, I don't remember exactly what game it was, but I remember the first time walking into the big house through section 14, that season tickets, row, uh, row 83, seat 26 and 27 walking in.

I'm probably three, four years old. I just kind of told myself, like, yeah, I'll be, I'll be down. there one day. No way. And just kind of figured out your own way. Everything I did with that and state mine. I'm so excited that you're on because again, like I we got to play. We got to play at our schools and there comes a time for everybody where that you have to retire, whether it's in middle school, high school, college, NFL, whoever, if you get to play a long time, that's awesome. But you understanding and figuring out like, okay, I wasn't able to make it at this. D1 level, how can I carve out my own path a different route? And I feel like you're somebody who's been able to accomplish that. Is that fair to say? Yeah. I mean, that's why, you know, everyone goes

to the nail academy to serve their country, but everyone, you know, everyone has a different reason. And I just kind of, well, every major successful head coach, legendary head coach, you're talking like Bud Wilkinson in Oklahoma, Osborne, John Wood. Wooden, Greg Popovich, Coach Kay, Woody Hayes, Bo Schenbeckler, all had one thing in common. Served in the military for four to five years, at least. So, okay, they got to be on to something. Right. Right.

So. And this is going through your brain at one age. Oh, yeah. This is early high school. Okay. I mean, I always knew I wanted to coach at Michigan. And then when it came time to, you know, okay, what exactly? is the route.

I applied to me. I applied to two schools, Michigan and the Naval Academy. Got accepted the Michigan, got weight listed at the Naval Academy. So in my mind, like, okay, whatever, going to Michigan. And then got the call in, it was actually about two weeks before last day of school, senior year. I get a call, Annapolis, Maryland. I'm in the middle of class. Well, I better answer this one.

So I answer it and say whoever it is at admissions and the Naval Academy, do you have a minute? I'm in the middle of class, so I'm like, uh, let me call you back. So I call them back and they said, oh, you've been accepted. So they actually, they said, but we need a response right now because we've got to let the people behind you know. So in my mind, I just went back to all those coaches and I'm like, well, I guess I got to do it. And so I said, all right, yep, I'm in. and then I call my parents and they work at the

they teach at the middle school right down the road so they're oh come over let's talk about it so I get there and they're like so what are you thinking? I'm like oh I already told him yeah no shit and then just went from there and when did you decide you wanted to be like a head coach was like your

oh three years old you didn't even care to play you're like I want to be I played I played but like I always so senior year my dad's the eighth grade It was the eighth grade football coach. His record against our rivals was like 21-0-1 in his career. And yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I'm still waiting for them to build the statue at Scripps Middle School.

So my senior year, I didn't play. I just played, I always played basketball. And then I helped coach eighth grade football with him, kind of like his de facto defense coordinator. Yeah. And, you know, I just kind of went from there. And that was my first actual experience, like truly coaching. And then student coached at the Naval Academy.

Yeah. What was the action? Sorry, so go ahead. I was just to say, in the documentary, you kind of, you say you go into the coach's office and you're like, hey, I want to do this. And I'm like, all right, cool. Go down the, you're in. Was it that simple as far as being having a student coach? So I got my foot on the door doing just video, you know, like the whole, you know, film and practice.

and all that games and so that was freshman year and then spring going into sophomore year i mean i was always at the football facilities and the director of football ops just asked you know hey you're here all the time you want to come upstairs and help out so for about a week or two i was helping out with operations and then I mean I was like 18 at the time didn't know any better I just walked right into the head coach's office hey coach Neumada uh he goes hey Connor I didn't even knew he knew he knew my name yeah and he's awesome one of the best people I've ever met and I go uh hey coach can I student coach and he he stands up he thinks about it and he goes up follow me brings me right into Coach Jasper, the offensive coordinator's office, and says, hey, coach, here's your new student

coach. You go, oh, thanks. And that's it. And then just ran with it from there. Yeah, ran of it. Any responsibility I had just treated it in my mind like, I'm the head coach at Michigan, right? Like, it's like a psychological thing where, you know, it's vision. Like, when you visualize you are what you're trying to be, then you convince your brain that you are, right? and then all your habits are like that. So everything I did, it would, I mean, the first thing I did at Michigan, you know, kind of skipping ahead here, but the first thing, the first assignment I had in Michigan was doing a wind report, special teams.

Every stadium, you know, every stadium we play in, we need a wind report. Yeah, got to have that. I said, okay, do you have like a template of one? I said, I don't know, I don't know where we would. I've seen one before, but, you know, just kind of, you know, start it. And then I'll kind of redirect you if it's not what we're thinking. And so, all right. So I just became like a weatherman for a month.

You're thinking it's probably five days. Probably about five days. And I give him this like 18 page packet. And it had like every kickoff where it landed and what the wind was that day. And every stadium they played in that year. And I think they were like, what the heck is this? No. You're thinking about it.

They're probably like, what do we got here? He's like, I'm going to be the best goddamn weatherman they've ever seen. ever seen and then it was the next task whatever it was you know just i'm going to be the best at whatever it is this the epitome of giving 110 percent at all times yeah absolutely when when did it start to like you're at the naval academy when did you start to uh like how did you create your first opportunity outside of the naval academy so sophomore year um spring break i go to i go back home to to Michigan and Coach Harbaugh just got the job and they're doing this coach's clinic and Coach Partridge at the time was the recruiting coordinator so he ran the clinic and I went with

some of my high school coaches and my dad and um I think like Mike Martz or someone big was speaking so all eyes around him Mike Martin Mike Martz he's like the he was like a head coach for the Rams Super Bowl winner got you got so he was speaking all eyes around him but I'm just trying to get my foot in the door. So I go down and talk to Coach Partridge and basically it was like, you know, hey, I'm here for a week. This was like Friday night or Saturday morning, like spring break just started, right? So you get the next nine days or whatever. And so I go and introduce myself and tell him, hey, I'm here on spring break. I'm here for the week. I'd love to help out. You know, I told him that name dropped a couple of people that I knew he knew at Navy, he said a student

coach with them. And, you know, he probably thought, one, why the heck are you in Ann Arbor on spring break yeah and then to you know military naval academy student coaching okay yeah we'll find something for you to do and um yeah just ran with it from there and i think the wind report was that off season that was like the first in my mind big project i had or whatever and is it was there something was there something to leaving after your sophomore year you know what i mean because you're obviously taking a you're taking a chance going and diving into this next opportunity with Michigan. Well, I was doing both. So I was, I was a student at Navy. I did my four years at the Naval Cabin. And then my fifth year, I was a temporary assigned duty. It's like a grad assistant with the

football team because they don't have a post-grad school. Right. So I student coach. So I wasn't at every single Michigan game. Yeah. During my four years at Navy, because I was at every Navy game. Okay. We had a bye week or spring break or in the summer and I had time to go home or whatever. That's when I would help out. And then when I got, so I graduated in 17, go to, you know, so now I'm a Marine Corps officer, do maybe five or six months as like a GA with the Navy football team. And then I go do my Marine Corps training and Benga Station in California. At that point when I'm no longer with Navy football, that's when I was then flying back and forth. Okay. Helping out Michigan. Then I was at like pretty much every game. So that started in like 2018. And you were helping the coaching staff

during that time as well. So, so it started when I was at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina for a few months training and then stationed in California. So, you know, they kind of touched on it in the documentary. I would when I was in California, I would live. Well, I started, I started sleeping on my couch and I rented out all the rooms in my house to, to, to, to, to, to, to, make money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, save money to fly back and forth and all that. And and then I realized, well, I live like 55 minutes north of Camp Pendleton. So why am I driving back and forth just to sleep on my couch? I'm just going to sleep in my car. So I slept at the I-5 South rest stop right outside Camp Pendleton every day for like two years. No shit. Yep.

Every day for two years. Save two hours. Like an hour driving north and hour driving south That's gas, that's everything You're saving money, you're saving time So that's two more hours of watching film Dude, I love it. It's like, yeah, it makes sense But at the same time, very, very few people

are willing to sacrifice. Right, and it's also like people like, oh, he was such a big fan of Michigan Like anybody who like wants to be successful Like these are the kind of sacrifices You should make in the beginning of the game Yeah. To get these things going.

Yeah. So you're flying back and forth. So I'm flying back and forth. So yeah, say I get back from Ann Arbor, wherever we're playing. And so, yeah, Sunday night, get back, L.A.X, drive down, pick up my laundry, which I put in over the weekend. And then drive down, stay at the rest stop, wake up, you know, 5 a.m., whatever, workout on base. Work ends. I'm watching film. Go to the rest stop, sleep, do the same thing for, you know, four days.

and then Friday after work, drive up to my house in Orange County, do my laundry, drive up to LAX, fly to take the red eyes. It was always, so 2020, 2019 and 2021, because COVID, you know, I couldn't go to games. So 2019 and 2021, every single game was off no sleep. No shit. Yeah, took the red eye, land wherever we are. It's like sometimes, you know, we'd be playing like Illinois. So I'd have to fly into Indianapolis, rent a car.

drive over to Illinois, drive back. And then I would hit the Kansas City Chiefs game on my way back. My boy Frank was his first year of Chiefs. And so... Frank Clark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my... So at 2019, we lost Alabama in the Citrus Bowl.

And the season ends. And I'm already kind of going to Chiefs games whenever it's convenient. on my flight back. And so Michigan football is done now for the season. And so I'm thinking like, well, what do I do with myself? Right, outside the Marine Corps, what do I do? So I just started breaking down on phone for Frank. And, um...

Interesting. Yeah. 2019. You got the, uh... Right before, I believe there's two teams that played in the AFC championship that year. Sure, you got the clip pulled up? There were two teams that played in the AFC championship that year.

And Frank... First off, that's... We're doing good so far. He texts me, he's like, have this clip ready because I got a fun story with Taylor for this. That's the fun story that was in the famous. You're like, you're like Frank Clark. Hold on.

Go back. Go back. Let's break this. If we're going to do this, let's break down. Now I want to put it. Time out. Can he say what his?

No, no, no. You got this. You got this. I want to point out that Frank told me at the beginning of the game, I'm going to get a sack on you. Right now it's the fourth quarter, a minute, 28 seconds left. It is. And he has not had a second.

He has not had a sack. I don't think he's even had a pressure. So maybe your scouting port wasn't that great. But we'll get into this anyway. Hits me with the half spin. We see it. We handle it. Now, I want you to pause it.

No, no, no. Keep going. Now. Okay. That is nine yards from the line of scrimmage. We got to step up. We got to step up. We got to step up.

Right? Right, boys. We've got to step up in the pocket. Now, Chris Jones can't step up. So go ahead. What was your Scatter Report? No, so, so. You start breaking down film. I want to hear the break. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And it was not as detailed for, on you as it was the next game in the Super Bowl. But like, for example, here, here is, it was very, you know, I only, I took one day, right? I'm still a Marine Corps. Took one day. Is that Scatning Report on the Titans or is that in? That one's on the Titans. The next one, slide right, that is the, the Super Bowl.

That was way more detailed. And that was like, that was really dialed for that one. I just watched film, you know, I got the, what's the NFL game pass, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the premium. All 22, yeah. Which, you know, this is your, this is your work. That's what I would do for Frank, yeah. I love it.

So, so, and that's how I met Frank's agent. When Tanhill kills or audibles, if he's under center, 13 runs to one pass. If he's in gun, kills or audibles. Seven pass to one run. Yeah. Could Connor send that to us so we could pull it up on the screen? Yeah. Text that to me, Connor.

That is wild. So you're doing this. The Super Bowl one. So I didn't get into details on your hand placement or foot placement or anything like that, but for the Super Bowl, I did. And so I'm up in the nosebleeds at the Super Bowl. And I, every single play, I'm calling run pass to myself. They're about their own.

Oh, they're about the past. And you're, you're from section, you know, 552 or whatever it is. Those bleeds. Yeah. And you were. What was your percentage of getting it right? Oh, in the Super Bowl, every play. Yeah.

You could tell off their hand placement. I mean, did you, did you see? Yeah, let me, let me, uh. Look at this one. Who did they play in that Super Bowl? Sam Fran. San Fran. So it was Joe Staley and Michael Blinchie.

And like, you can zoom in on that one. It was 100% get tells. It was 100% tells. Foot out 90% pass. Foot in when 100% run. Michael Glinchie, three point stance, 14 to 16 run.

Foot in, 5 out of 5 run. Foot out. All right, pass. 50% pass. Three point stance. It's, dude, this is terrifying. It's amazing. This is hand together.

Two out of three pass. No way. What was you? Pull up Frank, Frank Clark's stat line. So let me say this before. I mean, I already know this.

The only person in the history of football to have the game winning or game ceiling sack in every single playoff game from divisional round to Super Bowl is Frank Clark. Yeah, this is incredible. Even if it's a coverage sack into the

last year. I mean, filthy. But he's got the clutch gene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's why he got paid. He's a, he's a dude. Joe Staley, when he's in a three-point stance, five out of six will run.

If his hands are apart, 15 out of 16 were a run. Hands together, it was pass. I mean, that's, yeah, those are details where everybody kind of finds our edge within the game. Obviously, if you're a genetic specimen and go with it, it makes it that much more difficult. No doubt. Okay, so 2019, where is the Michigan manifesto at this point? Okay. Is it alive?

Yeah. Got to hear about the. It's alive and well. It is alive and well. So take me through... Even last year when everything was happening, I was like, hey, there's a manifesto. Like, even if he's gone, it doesn't matter. I'm sure he knows exactly who talks shit about him the entire time.

Oh, I know 100%. He's got a manifesto on people that have talked shit. Yes. No, I know exactly how that leaked. I know exactly who leaked it. I'm like, I'm not going to say who. But when I saw... Here's how I know because the article said something about 600-page Michigan.

manifesto 600 pages that was in like 2018 2019 how big is this thing now it's gotta be thousands by now do you have it in like a hard hard copy no so that's that's the thing like an old testament book so I have the I have the original like how it started so this is what happened so okay go to the Naval Academy and you know I always go back to those legendary head coaches right they all have that that one thing in common military right so my freshman year i'm like wow i you know this is i'm going to learn a lot a lot and i need to have a place to organize everything i learn i can't let one little thing slip by and you know a lot

of people when they take notes they take notes whatever and then it just they just stack notes and how do you know where to reference you know oh i remember that one one thing I read in that book, what was that book? It was about, you know, it was about hiring and firing personnel. What book was it? And then you go through all your notes and it takes you, you know, two weeks before you find the quote or whatever it was that, that you're trying to think of, right? So I use the military, the way that the military organizes everything as like my foundation for how I'm going to organize my notes. And it started off as a binder.

And then that got too big. And then I needed something electronically. So it went to a Microsoft Word document. And then I realized, well, I need to be able to capture any thought or any idea at any time. I can only do a Word document if I have my specific laptop. So then it translated to a Google Doc. So now I can do it from my phone from anywhere. I can do it from right now.

You give me a great quote. Pull up my phone. Type it in. It's in the manifesto. I know exactly where it is. So any, you could right now mention any thought, any concept of anything, all the way from leadership to the X's and O's of the game to, you know, equipment, anything. and I'll be able to

put a quote or pull something if you had like, hey, what are your thoughts on you know, firing personnel? Well, I have probably 15 to 20 pages of notes on that and I know exactly where it is and it's super organized. It's just notes. Yeah, it's notes, but it goes into a Google Doc

and then later in the documentary you talk about signs and all that. When did the manifesto evolve into seeing these signs and being able to break down? You're talking about just deciphering signals in a game. Right. It is a manifesto a part of that or are these two separate? That was just my, that was my first major task at Navy.

So your first major task was what was at the Naval Academy with Navy football. So, you know, I'm student coaching now and we're a week from game day. And I'm like, wait, wait, what do I do on game day? Right. And this applies to me at Michigan too and I started helping out. So like really in 2019 and 2021, there's no job description. for me because I'm not an employee. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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I'm just volunteer. I'm a volunteer student coach at Navy, and then I was a volunteer assistant in Michigan. So there's no job description. Why would you have a job description for a role that you don't even have? And then, you know, I just kind of get my foot in the door and work my way in. So at both places, it started in Navy. I just say, so what do I do on game day? And I forget who it was, but one of the coaches said, well, I don't know.

Let me look into it. But I remember last year we had a guy he just graduated who tried deciphering signal. you know, opponent signals in game. And I knew nothing about, you know, I never did that in high school. I don't know. Okay. So I went in with the blank sheet of paper, a clipboard, and a pen. And our first game was Ohio State.

And just started, you know, that was the birth. And they talked about in the documentary, one of my favorite quotes. Yeah, I said, well, I got to be, I am one of the number people at the Naval Academy. I mean, I was like the last person to get accepted pretty much, right? And I struck. I mean, it's very, very difficult, very difficult. But I'm like, well, these are 18, 19, 20-year-old kids in Columbus. Like, I got to be able to, if they know their signals, I can figure out their signals. So it's a personal challenge.

Oh, it was like a, yeah. And it's Ohio State. Right. You know. How long, how long in that game did you start to figure out? Three drives. Three drives. Yep. Okay. Can you break that down for me a little bit? I mean, I don't remember, you know, I don't remember exactly, you know, the play.

I think they ran power a lot. Yeah, it doesn't seem like you have a very good memory. It's been a lot of games since then. But I just remember, you know, it was both sides of the ball, whatever I could get. And I just remember getting their offensive signals pretty early and just not knowing what to do with the information. So I would just yell it out. and because there wasn't like a structure no one knew who I was like right I'm two weeks into being a student coach like they're not they don't know who I am right the OC knew who I was but he's up in the booth and like the director of football ops knew who I was that was pretty much it in the players right um but so I'm just yelling like power left power left you know like who's this it'd be power left and the next play what you know whatever it was and um um Um, it's, you know, you just got to have a knack for it, but it's, it's not rocket science. It's just signals. But still, you're, you're in such a spot to where, again, you don't have like a job title.

You don't have a description. Like, you're in such a militant law of attraction success. Like, I'm going to provide as much values I possibly fucking can. So that way they can't ignore me. Yes. And then you, when's the, when is the point to where it starts to turn to where you're now becoming a valuable asset that they're leaning on? just in your own role you know what I mean it's like okay you're doing the weather then you're getting whatever the next thing is to where it's like iron or navy either one either one

they did Navy did they ever recognize you for like hey this guy's really picking up signals he's understanding he this really gives us an edge well yeah because they had a guy the year year before right yeah it's it's you know what I say this too like um even at Michigan this last year before I was suspended. Signals was like 10 to 15% of my job. You know what I mean? Like it's, that's just one responsibility that I did.

You're still, you know, breaking down film, getting formation tendencies, you know, stuff like that. Right. That you did for Frank. Yeah. And I mean, there's a,

I'm going to skip ahead right now. It's on my mind. The best team to ever protect their signals was East Carolina last year, first game. And they, I'm not going to get into details on exactly what they did to protect because I don't want to out them right now. They're probably still using it because it's pretty legit. But it took me two and a half quarters to figure out which signal there was live.

That's the longest it's ever taken me. Really? Yep. And it was week one. So it's brand new signals. Right. So I pretty much go in with the blanks. shoot paper and I had a good idea of how to tell who was live but they like flipped it from the

year before and um I also did one of the formation breakdowns for our defense so I knew for example every time it's two by two four removed so no tight end in the core and um their only run out of that formation was quarterback draw and I'm fast forward like the fourth quarter right now we're 30 to nothing. And I'm watching there. I now know who's live. And I see him signal the two by two formation. And then I see one signal. It was like alpha with his hand. And usually, I mean, you guys understand play calls, right? Like so. Yeah, word association. So if there's a formation and then one word, chances are it's not a pass, right? Because you'd have a pass. Correct. You'd have a Pass protection and then the concept.

Yeah. Right. It's like if a huddle breaks really quickly, you're like, okay, it's probably going to be a run here. But if the quarterback's in there looking around everywhere else, you're like, all right. He's tagging receivers and all that. And then also a lot of runs still have some tags to it, right? So only one word, I'm thinking draw our screen. So and then this all goes on, this goes on in my head in like a second, right?

So I see the two by two like doubles formation, whatever you want to call it. And then I see one signal. I'm thinking, well, that's got to be draw our screen, I would think. It was second and, I think it was like second in five. And it was two minutes. So, but in my mind, I'm like, this isn't really a draw situation. But then I also remembered 2019 Penn State, same signal was their quarterback draw. And that's the only time I've ever seen that signal.

And I remember the breakdown I did. quarterback draw out of that formation. So I think you can see it because coach mentor was the interim head coach that game. And they happen to be showing him. And I'm like behind him. I'm like, I think this is draw, draw. And so we're yelling draw, draw, draw, which is one of the worst feelings when you say, I think it's something. And then everyone's going on. I'm like, oh, God, this better be a job. Yeah, you better hit. Yeah. And it was a draw. But I mean, they still converted to first down. But it's just like, that's how many things have to go into it. Right. Like, it's not just like look at the signal. It's not this like black and white thing. A lot of times.

I'm kind of, yeah, I think this is what it is. And, you know, so kind of how it works on game day is, in my mind, I have a threshold where if I am not 95% certain, I'm not saying a word. And I got to take a step back for this all to make sense. So in college football, we're going to get into some really good details here. Let's go. I'm so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So college football, the culture has always been to go up-tempo ever since the mid-2000s, right? You don't see many teams that huddle. NFL, the culture is obviously to huddle. And I'm going to kind of mix last year to present day now because of the whole new quarterback comm's rule. And everyone assumes that, oh, signaling is over. The signaling is picked up now. and to understand that, you have to understand the history of signals, you know, just how it works. And the reason signals exist is because of up-tempo.

It's not because there's no quarterback comms. It's because offenses like to go up-tempo, right? I have not watched, disclaimer, I have not watched Ole Miss and Tennessee all that much this year. But I would assume they're still going up-tempo. I don't see a world in which all these teams that are like snapping the ball with 30 seconds up than the play clock are huddling all because they have coached the quarterback comms now. Right. So they're going up tempo, which forces the defense to signal, right?

You can't huddle as a defense if the offense is spread out. Right. They'll just snap it and throw it over your head if you're in the huddle. So signaling will always exist as much as offensive coordinators want it to. it to exist. And signal stealing has been more prevalent with offenses, stealing defensive signals. So going back to 2018, 2019 with Michigan, our defense was getting our signal stolen left and right. Teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, and so on. Pretty much the whole, the whole big tent, probably Nebraska. Yeah. Probably. Well, me, yeah, you're not, you're not wrong because

It's everyone, though. Simplicity. Except like Iowa and Michigan State. Everyone else is stealing. Michigan State wasn't stealing. I don't think so because they were the worst of protecting. Yeah. I was just going to say for simplicity.

But you just say that about Michigan State, you're saying that the worst of protecting. If you are bad at protecting, you're probably not stealing, right? Like if you... Yeah. If you're good at stealing, you know what it takes to protect. So the teams that were really good at protecting, well, you can also look.

They got a guy just like me, right? just they didn't the media didn't go crazy about their guys right but everyone has a guy everyone has a connor yes some teams have multiple conners oh a lot well we'll definitely get into that let's keep let's keep breaking so that is obviously a huge thing so so we're getting our signal stolen left and right and that's because of the tempo you guys are facing and just simply because you know and just football in general right like whether it's covering up issues as a play caller or personnel issues, whatever it is, you can always utilize and manipulate tempo to give you an advantage, to regain that advantage. And a lot of times, especially in a world

where everyone's signaling, you can even force the defense to signal before you signal. Maybe not force, right? Because at the end of the day, if you know what's going on, it's just a cat and mouse game, you just wait until they signal and just call them on on their bluff. And just to your defense too, like if being a defender, if an offense is tempoing you, the coordinator will kind of tell you before the game, hey, if they start tempoing us, there will only be like two or three calls that they go to. Correct. So you're almost understanding the tendency before it happens.

But also, you know, they can tempo and then hard count. Mm-hmm. Right. So just to get whatever you're in, maybe you showed Blitz or maybe you showed your safety shell or you showed too high, whatever it is. Right. They, you know, they get to the line quick and they get you to kind of tell real quick. And then they call their play and they expose it.

Right. Oh, hey, they're cover four. Let's call it cover four beater. Oh, hey, they're bringing the nickel. They're dropping the buck. Let's throw a slant, you know, to the slot right away. Yeah. Whatever it is.

And so, yeah, that was happening to us. And so in 2021, the big change was. So when Coach McDonald got the job, he asked. He said, hey, you know, he's new. He's been in the NFL coming back to college. And he goes, hey, you know, what's, how do we protect our signals? And I told him, I said, well, it's a cat and mouse game. You got to think of it like, it's like red light green light.

If I'm watching them signal and I am not talking, that means they have not signaled. So don't signal because then we're the mouse. You just have to wait for them to begin signaling. So, you know, and it's not the sexy thing. wants to hear but 99 times out of 100 they already know what they're calling no matter what they just want to have the green light to call it so their signal doesn't get stolen right so usually in game I'm looking I'm looking I'm looking and if I say like hey trips Y flex you know the formation maybe I say like Y across to trips Y flex which here's usual signals for like Y across like why across

like why across trips why flip what like yeah you know like it's anyone could could see that and just hey this is this is what the formation is usually he's calling the play just like that right so it's not like it's not like the coordinator was waiting for like hey is it going to be a run is it going to be a pass it's it's more like he's Mike McDonald is a very successful college football coach and now NFL head coach right Jesse mentor is what are the chargers are giving up the fewest points in the NFL right yeah they're very good so these guys get paid to do what they do they're not listening they're not like calling their defense waiting for me i'm just a green light to basically tell then hey you have permission to signal

without it getting stolen and that that is kind of where it picked up in 21 where we were now no longer the mouse it was all even playing field essentially and what teams will do you do though like Ohio State and i got a whole we might i got a whole breakdown on every single play from 2018 to present day michigan ohio state yeah now from 2018 to present day a whole breakdown of Ohio state's when ohio states on offense and we're on defense and i categorized i watched every play on film and i categorized it who's the mouse who's the cat and then sometimes it's just neutral. The wash, yeah.

Yep. And here we go. So in 2018, Ohio State was the cat every play because they were picking us apart signal-wise, right? And, you know, they were running mesh. Every time we're in cover one, they're running mesh rail. Every time we're blitzing, they happen to be in max protection. Take a shot. Every time we're in zone, they run the ball.

Right. I mean, it's not a coincidence. I'm watching them. They have their. in, you know, Ryan Day's ear and we signal, they talk, I see it, we talk, but we signal first, so we're the mouse. Right. And then, so that happened in 2018, 2019.

So they were the cat every play, those two games. They averaged 8.15 yards per play in 2018 and eight yards per play in 2019, and they had 15 touchdowns in those two games. Okay. 21, they were, it was a stalemate 72 times. Okay, so that's like, they're signaling, and then we start to signal right after they start to signal. Okay.

They were the cat three times. And here's how I categorized them being the cat. When they had a play called, so it starts off as a stalemate, and then Ryan Day gets C.J. Stroud's, attention last second because he sees what we're in maybe they got our signal maybe they see our shell whatever it is and they changed the play right before the snap okay that's them being the cat so our signals they depend the paper last yep and then they were the mouse every time they hard counted

that game here's why in 2018 and 2019 every time they hard counted and then looked at the sideline we already had our signal called and we never changed it so I mean, they're exposed it. Right, right, right. So they know the zone man. All that. 2021, I know their hard count signal. So I know when they're going to hard count.

So we don't have to show a blitz or whatnot. They stole the wrong signal because we would change our call. And do you know who Ryan Day's Connor Stallions is? Yeah, but I'm not going to out. Yeah, you shouldn't. As you shouldn't, but we know he's there. Yeah. Is he good at his job?

Yes, very. Yeah. So when they were the mouse, actually I'll start with when they're the cat. When they were the cat, so they changed the play late three times, they average 9.3 yards per play. When it was a stalemate, they averaged 5.3 yards per play. They did score three touchdowns. It was 72 plays, so that's the majority of the game, right? When they were the mouse, they only average four yards per play, six times.

And usually there were 72 total plays. 72, they were the stalemate. So it was 81 total plays. Got you. And yeah, you see when they're the cat, they average their most yards per play all the way down. When they're the mouse, it's they're not, they're not doing much. So their first, the 2018 and 2019, they hard counted 40 times. You can go back and watch the film.

They hard counted 40 times. 2021, 6, because it wasn't working. Right. Because they couldn't steal our signal when they hard counted because we just basically played this cat and mouse game with them and didn't allow them to be the mouse or to be the cat every time when you're explaining this cat and mouse game to the coaches how receptive were they to hey you got to very much michael mcdonald is is amazing he i mean he he he's one of the smartest people i've been around um and elite coach right he also empowered everyone he's a great leader and he would listen so i mean it couldn't have been any better

having him there. He was huge. Yeah. It's huge. So, so basically he just, you know, hey, I'm the DC. I want to call the plays and focus on that. I don't want to get my signal stolen. Can you help me? Yeah. Just, you know, wait till it's a green light. Okay, thanks. Outside of the signal stuff, what situations were you in charge of breaking down? Well, in 21, I was still in the Marine Corps. Okay. So I was, that's when I was flying back and

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I'm so fascinated. Like, this is incredible. Yeah. If you want me to keep going this Ohio State thing, they weren't the cat one play in 2022 in Columbus. And they averaged six yards per play. And then when they stole the wrong signal because they hard counted, they average five yards per play.

They scored one touchdown each in those situations. But it's funny. There's a video. Someone sent me of, it's like me by Coach Mentor, 2020 in Columbus. And some guy, like, is doing this breakdown, Sam. I'm saying run right, run right. Oh, you're talking about where all 11 players just ran?

Do we have that clip? It wasn't even, all, first of all, I'm saying Nike, because that's what we called an opponent's heart count. Nike. And you can see the Nike board go up behind me. We have a board and Nike basically telling our, you know, safety's like, don't show a shell. They're trying to steal our signal right now.

Right. Right. And be ready for us to change the call. Yeah. So if they look, we're going to change our call to make, make sure they stole the wrong signal. This is the clip you're talking about right here? No. That was after one of their heart counts.

You see your heart counts right there. Yeah. And the Nike sign behind. Yeah. We had the Nike sign, right? But there's a different one where like, some guy does this breakdown on like, he's trying to like read my lips and he's saying, says he's saying run right run right that's what he's saying i'm saying right but i'm saying nike nike and by the way the run was to the left because it's from the defense's perspective right

like i'm not going to say it's a run to the right when they run it to our left um but um yeah so i say Nike and then you can see them hard count look they just stole whatever we just signaled and then we changed your call video in the group chat Yeah. We'll pull that up for sure because there's, you see so many of these clips and videos of you and you're saying something to somebody and everyone wants to freak out over it out. But while he's pulling out.

I'm actually protecting our signals. That's the whole point of what I was saying. I'm telling our coordinator, they are hard counting. Call a play you don't want to call because they're going to, they're trying to steal our signal. So this is the clip right here. Yes.

You're saying Nike Nike. Yep. You can see me say. twin y twin y Nike and there goes the Nike board you saw it go up yeah and you see Ohio State hard count so now they're all looking at the sideline now they're signaling and then we call our other place so they just stole the wrong signal and it goes for no yards yeah everybody they're feasting they break down the uh there's just tight-in screen ah yeah i want to say the houston tex he yeah was it's over stover yeah

Yeah. And he said essentially like it's a formation we've never done it out of. We've never ran this play out of. And he was beside himself on figuring out how you guys knew that. I just say you that clip too, Sherman. Yeah. Insane, incredible awareness by the defense and understanding that is the screen. Guys are in the film room. Guys are in the film room. Diling it all in. So I don't remember what formation it was out of, but can we pull that clip up before you explain it? Yeah. Yeah, just scroll up.

That one right there. Do they show the play? No. No, they don't. Yeah, we could pull it up. Yeah. Yeah, see, yeah. Try to type in something to pull that out.

But yeah, I'm thinking about it in my head. It had to be first half, first quarter, because they were going the same direction. Yeah, dude, I am right by our silence around the 25, 30-yard line. Yeah. Somewhere in there. He was right in front of us. Right. It was into the boundary in front of you guys.

Correct. We're getting to, you called this play that they had not run before, but you were able to decipher it. Yes. Is this one of your top five calls? Is this like a top five? It backfired, though. It backfired. CJ Straub turned around and everyone was right there and he scrambled and got a first down.

or at least got significant yards. Frank's facetiming me right now. 22. Is he? Answer it. Dude, Frank was a war daddy at Michigan. Frank. We're on the bus right now.

What up, Frank? What's up, baby? What's you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? That's awesome, man. Well, I hope you're doing well, brother. Yep.

I'll hit you up after. Yep. See you, Bob. Love, That's funny. I already gave them a shout out. Yeah, no doubt. So that tight end screen.

Yes. Whatever the formation says. You know, here's the thing. Ohio State had like eight signallers. Eight signers all year. Something like that. And everyone signals the formation. Mistake number one.

Like, I don't need to know who's live to see what the formation is. Right. Anyone can see that. Mistake number two, they never changed who. their live signaler was the entire season. So I guess their Conor Stallions isn't that good then? Apparently not as good. They didn't do it.

They didn't do enough self-scouting. Correct. So, and here's the bottom line of, you know, how can you be so good in game? I just realized. Is this the clip right here? Is this it? This is the tied-in screen. Yep.

Yeah, that's it. Slot Y-Y-Y. So I think they motion into Slat Y Y and then also that's a cup block. You see a cut by the right band pressure it's a penalty. Yeah. And it's just straw making something. So they signal their signal for the Slat Y Y Y formation. And then the guy who was live the entire season signaled why delay.

Am I supposed to see that and be like, oh, I don't know what this is. Right, right, right. you call it out i said i think there's got to be a wide delay screen god so we talked about ohio state having their own connor stallions how many of the power now power four conferences have a connoissellions i mean it's it's got to be 80 to 90 percent 80 percent but let's like the big 10 before well i'm sure USC does i'm sure washington probably does any team worth the shit has the only two teams that, to my understanding, did not,

were Iowa and Michigan State in the big time. Nebraska, when we played them last year, this is like, what, two games before I got suspended, they, first of all, they huddled almost every play. We want to go game by game last year. ECU,

new signals because it's game one, and they're the best of protecting. So we're up 30 to nothing before I even started figuring out what was going on. Next game, was what unlv they had one signaler so that was easy game three uh bowling green uh they were okay at protecting i figured them out pretty early game four ruckers they huddled every single play they're they're really good at getting signals so again you're really good like you know we

huddled we just we just beat them too so yeah yeah they were undefeated Handle business. Nebraska handle business. Yeah, we handle business. So, Rutgers, they're very good at protecting their place. Very good. Because they're good at getting signals. And did you figure them out at all?

Well, like, I know their guy. Yeah. So we both, first of all, Michigan offense, we don't, we never really steal signals. We, we huddle more than anyone in the country. I think besides Air Force maybe, or whoever, one of the Serbs Academies. But you don't see Michigan. We go up tempo all too much. but yeah we huddled every play and they huddled every play

and then after the game I talked to their guy and we just kind of that was the ultimate stalemate yeah yeah yeah he just yeah just yeah and did you know him personally before the game yeah oh yeah yeah and then right after the game like all right back to you know whatever you need help with you know let me know I'll give you what I got

and he gives me what he's got you know and that happens every Sunday right so every Sunday you essentially talk to the team you just played their guy Well, anyone. A lot of coaches do that too. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure the head coaches exchange information with,

and not even just the team you just play. Like, you know, okay, what, Michigan's got Illinois coming up. And Illinois already played Nebraska. So I could call Nebraska's guy and be like, hey, what do you got in Illinois? Who do you play next week? I'll give you what I got on so-and-so. Right.

That happens all the time. And that's not just signals. That's de-coordinators, you know, hey, what plays did you? Like, what did you see, you know, all that? So, yeah, I mean, after that Rutgers game, it was right back to, all right, we're friends now. I mean, we knew that was going to happen, no signals at all, the entire game. And then the next game was Nebraska, and they did not signal until, like, their third drive of the game. We were already up 14-0 before their first signal.

Right, they had the third and one pick. But the funniest thing was, you know, most teams have boards that either. Sometimes it means formation. Sometimes it tells you which signaler is live. It can mean many different things. Nebraska's boards told you which signaler was live. And they had these quadrants and pictures in each quadrant. And most of the pictures, I'm sure, didn't mean anything.

But one of the boards they had had my high school logo on it. No shit. Yeah. Nice. So they knew you. That was pretty funny. They were aware of you. We all know who each other are.

So that was probably just a funny, like, you know, hey. to think there's any other intel with Nebraska No Who are they playing next week? It's a by week but then Indiana Indiana Ooh that's a good game

Yeah Where is it? At Indiana What kind of information Can you give us in Indiana Give me a week I was going to say it might be more I'll wait for your text

I'll wait for your text I might go back to the JMU stuff Yeah Yep With who is it Signetti Yep Oh, he's really good. And then the next game after Rutgers last year was Minnesota.

They huddled every play. And you guys bodybagged Minnesota. And then Indiana, they were decent at protecting their signals. And then I wasn't there. Did Michigan have a signal stealer before you? No. So they didn't. They were playing.

When I went from Navy to there, like once I was in the Marine Corps, it was 2018. was the start of it. It was maybe week four or five. I think actually the last game I was not, the last game I was in the stands for may have been Michigan, Nebraska in like 2018. Maybe it was Northwestern. I don't remember who it was.

It was one of those two teams. And then after that, I'm on the field, because I asked, I was there for a two-week kind of limbo period between training and being stationed in California. And so I asked like, hey, what can I do on game day? and they're like, I don't know. What do you think?

I said, well, I mean, I did this in Navy. You don't want me to try that? And they're like, yeah, sure. I don't think we have anyone doing that. And just ran with it. I don't know about that. Well, let me ask that question because did anyone from South Carolina get signs from you to steal from Tennessee and Georgia? I don't know anyone at South Carolina.

Now, here's what I'll say. There's this whole, like a giant. circle of the intel guys, right, that know each other, right? And you're usually one or two phone calls away from anyone you want, right? Like if I, if we played, we played Georgia in 21 in the Orange Bowl, and I got a hold of a couple SEC teams that were playing big 10 teams in their bowl game. And so I'd give them what I had. them and they'd give me what they had on Georgia. Also,

this is my favorite. Trading happens all the time, right? 2021, we lose to Michigan State. Kenneth Walker, a great game. Played fantastic. Yep. And we needed some help, right? They had to lose twice.

And we had to lose twice again. Michigan State had to lose twice. And then that would have resulted in having a three-way tie. We would have beat in Ohio State. it would just been us in Ohio State because then Michigan State would not have been in that three-way tie.

And they lost to Purdue and then, I think it was the next week, they played Ohio State, the week before we played Ohio State. And so we needed Ohio State to win. So I gave Michigan State signals to a buddy of mine and said, hey, I changed all the logos.

I made it look like it came from a different school. I don't want to give Ohio State something from Michigan, right? They might not use it. Who knows? but we need Ohio State to win. And I know they steal the crap out of defensive signals, so here you go. So I made it, I gave it to a buddy who may have given it to a buddy who then gave it to Ohio State and say, hey.

Classic game of telephone. Yep. I got this from so-and-so at, you know, name your school university. And yeah, so they got, I'm sure they probably already had them, but it just confirmed everything. But yeah, and then they won like 60 to nothing. And that's all you needed. Yep. Does in this, in this world of trading, does anybody ever trade their own schools information?

I have no idea. That'd be crazy, but you never know. Right, because I'm assuming like trade their own schools information. Right. Like, I'm assuming not everybody was as massive a fan of the school they worked for like you were. So I know that, you know, just like corrupt politicians. Yeah. I'm sure.

I wouldn't put it past. Certain people. I'm going to throw one out there. Go ahead. Limebauer coach got fired last year, yeah? Or he resigned and then went to Bama? Fired? No, that was two years ago.

No, no, that was last year. That was last year. No, but he, so it was at the end of 2022. He wasn't at Michigan during the 23 season. Wasn't somebody at Michigan during last year? Not during the season. And their computer kind of got found, grenade the computer, and then they went to Alabama?

Mm-mm. You're mixing stories right now. Okay. Can you help differentiate the stories? Would that, I mean... George Hilo was a linebacker coach in 2022. He was not at Michigan in 23 and then was hired by Bama before our game. But he was like 11 months removed or whatever.

Got you. I don't know. Don't quote me on exactly the months. Right, right, right. And you assume the reason why he was hired by Alabama right before... Well, yeah, why wouldn't you have hired him earlier in the year? Right, because Alabama was trying to cheat. I'll say.

I mean, it's just like in the NFL if somebody like, if I were to be playing for Washington, I get cut and then the Eagles bring me in right away and they want to just know like what's going on. How do they operate? You're 100% you're squealing like a pig. Oh, yeah. When I came to the Titans, I was in the offensive room with Lafleur and then breaking down the Washington, breaking down Washington defense, how we played cover one and how we did things in the red zone,

how we played triangle when it was a three by one, like all that stuff. you want to win I mean at the end of the day you want to win I want to keep breaking down this crazy underground world of trading different teams information

when did you become aware of this uh 2018 2018 is when you found out there's a Navy yeah I never no one never really talked to me from other schools

yeah leaving it leave Navy alone like we're good yeah he's all good appreciate you you

Hilled. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 2018. It was after the regular season. I think it was after the regular season.

I got to call someone asking for some stuff on some certain teams. Yeah. And that's when I was. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?

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Um, so there's been so much obviously the landscape of college football and how you do play calling has changed so much and a lot of it has to do with what happened last year with Michigan and everything like that if you are pointing fingers at you.

I don't think anything is, is people, people didn't, people in football didn't change much. Yeah. It's just the media perception. So, but because now they're going to the, the comms.

So is it much more difficult to steal signs now? It's actually signal ceiling is happening more now. So remember I explain the whole, you know, how it evolve, how it works and the difference between the NFL and college. It's just because of the tempo. I mean, shoot, NFL teams still signal some. Not all the time, but like if they ever want to go tempo, they signal. Yeah, go tempo, you got to signal.

You got to signal. Right. You got a signal. Sometimes it's the coach to the quarterback and then the quarterback signals to the receivers and tells everyone in the core. or some teams have signalers on the sideline that are ready to signal anytime they want to go tempo. That's the league, though. College, now that new helmet communications, it's not a rule, right?

It's not a mandate. It's just a feature. It's a tool. So now coaches can talk to the quarterbacks. That doesn't mean they have to signal or that doesn't mean they have to huddle or that they want to huddle. So what's happening now, and this isn't for everyone, but a lot of teams are doing this, is now they are continuing to go up tempo,

and they are stealing the defensive signal, and now they can just talk to the quarterback up until 15 seconds and tell them exactly what's coming. So, hey, they're blitzing the nickel, they're dropping the boundary end, throw the slant to the slot, whatever it is, now you can do that. There's already, you know, I'm not going to say who, it's not a Big Ten school,

but there's already been a team that has had Bluetooth to the quarterback for years. No shit. Really? Can I guess? A big time? Hang on a big time team? I'm not going to tell you if you're warmer or colder.

It's just not in the Big Ten. It's a big time team? It's a power, power four, power five. What do you want to call it? Yeah. Is it irrelevant? So like why, you know,

the officials aren't going to check to see if there's Bluetooth because in 99% of people's minds, you would only have Bluetooth to huddle up when in reality you have Bluetooth to tell the QV what the defensive signal is. Now that's happening a lot. So it's, I mean, it's funny. I've, I've gotten phone calls from teams asking if I still have so-and-so signals and whatnot. Really? And I'm not even, you know, technically in it right now. Technically.

Technically. And then, I mean, shoot, I have gone to every Michigan game. everyone we played has signaled. Really? On offense. And you are, you're still sitting there. Minnesota did not. They didn't last year either.

You're still sitting in the stands. Yeah. And you can see the signal caller. And so you essentially know what's happening. You know, when I'm at the Michigan games now, I'm just there to enjoy it. When I, now, I'm obviously aware enough to see, oh, they're signaling. And for example, like USC, when we played USC, you know, it's the Lincoln Riley offense. It's the same as his brother Garrett Riley when he was at TCU and now Clemson.

I was even remembering some of the stuff like, oh, wait, isn't this? This is just all go special. And it was, right? You know, they're not changing their signals. Maybe a few. But like Texas, they signaled every single play the whole game. And, you know, again, it's, we're at definitely at a disadvantage now because we don't have our signal. guy and everyone else has theirs so it you know goes back to that cat mouse game so you've not become

the mouse in every situation uh yeah unless you make sure you signal second so and there's no we need we need to make sure we're doing that if or not yeah yeah what do you see out of michigan this year what do you think the issue is i mean outside of not having a quarterback well you have 15 guys or whatever that we lost the league right like that's not easy 18 yeah okay And then you lose your strength coach, your entire defensive staff, you know, you're obviously your head coach. It's going to be a step back. You know, it's not it's not that easy to maintain success when you when that happens. Yeah, I think I watched your video yesterday.

You know, I'm still optimistic too. Good. The video I told you not to watch. I told nobody to watch. Correct. I was just putting it out there in the internet for people just to have. Correct. I heard someone else watching it.

Yeah. Stole that. Yep. And, you know, I think, well, one, the bi-week couldn't come in any better time. Well-time by-week. There's a lot of parody in college football this year. A lot. You know, that must be a product of NIL in the portal in full effect now.

but other than Texas and I mean I guess Ohio State then yeah they beat they did beat Iowa but has anyone else looked really good every single week right right in your opinion you feel like because you were on that side of it you were also in recruiting do you feel like Michigan is doing what they need to do in the whole portal game with the NIL and everything else yeah I think the issue at the portal that a lot of people are voicing their opinions now and they're up upset about, you know, why did we not get someone at this position and that position? Well, the portal was closed by the time, like, something's got to happen in college football because if you make the playoffs, you are screwed for the portal for the following season. Because the portal timeframe is while you're prepping for the playoffs. So your players aren't announcing if they're leaving or not. So how do you recruit a guy and convince him to. come to Michigan when that guy, for all he knows, is like, well, so-and-so isn't leaving.

And how do you tell him, oh, he is going to leave? But then what if he doesn't leave? And that's not on a kid either. Like JJ, for example, you can't expect him to make an announcement during the playoffs about if he's going to go to the league or not. He's not thinking about that, right? He's just in the moment. That's who he is, right?

And that's also who he should be for the team in that. moment but he's not you know maybe there's backdoor conversations with his family but he's not going to make some announcement saying you know hey i'm going to leave after this game so that's a issue the timing of everything because then it's like you know are they students or are they athletes because the semester starting in january right is really what why the portal for my understanding why the portal closes at that time and then it just opens up for a couple days but everyone that you would want is usually already committed somewhere else. Like all the best players are gone now.

Yep. You're getting the tier two, two or three guys. Yeah. So, you know, I, I, Sharon is definitely the man for the job. Sharon is the best man. He is an elite leader. Everyone loves them.

Great dude. Loves football. Like, I remember, you know, if it's 1 a.m. And you're on your grind, watching film, whatever you're doing.

And you go to the bathroom or you go get it, water, whatever, and come back. And he was always one of the, like, three people that were there that late. Still grinding? Yes. Still about it. All about it.

So, I mean, it seems like they're going to have a chance to do the portal this year and not making the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs. Correct. We'll have time. Correct. We'll be able to reload for next year is what you're saying. Correct.

Now, is anybody sitting in the seat you were sitting in last year at Michigan now? They don't have that anymore. With the signals? Yeah. Not to my knowledge. What else outside of signals? Obviously you're known for being the signal master, but I think everyone understands that like signal stealing is like you're trying to gain whatever advantage you can.

Like every lock room, every meeting I've been in, you're trying to break down whether it's coaches copy or TV copies. You got somebody up there giving a presentation on signals. Whatever you do with it is ultimately up to you. It depends on how much information you can retain. But what else outside of the spectrum of signals was kind of like your bread and butter? Was it like two minute drills or situations in there? Yeah, I mean, you know, one of the beauties at Michigan,

Coach Harbaugh hired a great staff to recruit great players, and he just empowered his staff. So there was a lot of overlap between like, you know, it wasn't like if on paper I'm a recruiting guy, I wasn't only doing recruiting, right? Or if you're a defensive analyst, you're not only, breaking down, third down, people helping each other out a lot, filling in gaps when needed. But during the season, it was, you know, a little bit of recruiting, mostly, you know, I was in

every defensive staff meeting, you know, your game planning. I'm breaking down film, prepping linebacker meetings for Coach Partridge. So, you know, because it's a race, right? Like every, the thing that people don't realize is every, I know you guys. guys realize it but from Sunday morning to kick off on Saturday it's literally who can prepare faster than their opponent and you know the linebacker coach for example should not be the guy that is going in and finding the specific clips for the meeting he's the one coaching the clips you are going through like so I would go through the film and pick out you know what he wanted for the linebacker meeting, for example, stuff like that, and also breaking down opponents.

So like I mentioned, that formation tendencies, stuff like that. You know, because every, so like, you know, Monday for the linebackers might be, you know, first and second down. What do they do on first and second down? Tuesdays may be, you know, short yardage goal line. Wednesdays might be third and long. Whatever it is, however you break that down. And so I would prepare the meetings for the backers.

you know, every day. And then, you know, the signal stuff, because that was, again, you know, there's just a portion of the job is something I just did any time. I didn't have to, like, I had some free time to, okay, we're done prepping for linebacker meetings, practices in an hour. I'm going to crank out an hour of this. And then I try to finish that by Tuesdays, usually Wednesday. And then give myself two days to memorize everything, memorize my,

sheet you know feel comfortable with it and you know the tough part it's this goes for everyone though right because again you play your opponent and then you're done so for me it was play your opponent i'm not i'm not kidding maybe with the exception of like ohio state and michigan state i might remember a few but an hour after the game i could not tell you a single signal that i just remembered for that game because it's on to whoever you're on the next. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

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And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have

Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball.

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Right. I don't care about being as president as possible. Yes. And usually I would try to get a couple days ahead. So like if I fit, let's just say, you know, let's say I were there now and we're playing Illinois in a couple weeks after the bye. And then who's after them, Michigan State? Yeah. So I would try to finish Illinois.

Well, pretend there's no bi-week. Pretend we're in Illinois week right now. I would try to finish them by Tuesday, maybe Wednesday at the latest. And then by Thursday morning, it's like two separate mind frames where one, I am calmly memorizing my sheet for the Illinois game and also getting ahead with Michigan State so I can finish them by the following Tuesday. Because I always want to give myself a couple days to, as I'm sure everyone does, you know, for everything they do, whether it be coordinating, a play calling or coaching your position or being an actual player. Like, you want to at least have, you don't want to be like racing all the way up until kickoff and your mind's going a thousand different directions. So that is kind of how I scheduled everything for myself. When you, so like during the week you say like, yeah, like in the league it would be like Wednesday, it'd be like first and second down.

Thursday would be all third down. and then the red zone and stuff like that but we'd have assisting coaches like like mike solomon would always break down in front of the entire offense these are the blitzes these teams do did you ever get to sit in front of the entire defense and no because i was an analyst and up until this year uh analysts could not do like on field you know could not instruct players or anything like that you could only assist the coaches so i would prepare like I would help Coach Partridge, for example, you know, if he had short yarders goal line, I would help him prepare the clips for that and the organization of that meeting.

Are there a couple of defensive players that gravitated toward all the information and knowledge you had of the X's and O's? I mean, the guys that understand it in the details. Yeah, a lot of the players. I mean, even like Mikey Sanders still is, I mean, I've learned some of the defense from him. You know, like some of these, you know, these guys are really smart, great leaders. He's, Mike, he's probably the best non-military leader I've ever been around. Really? Yes.

He is, he's that guy. I mean, you know, he started as a receiver and then, flashbacks. He had that nice catch, that diving catch in Lincoln, Nebraska, that night game as a receiver. And then the very next year changes to nickel. And these are starting nickel and one of the best nickels in the country, just like that. But I mean, he's a guy that he led by example and he was not afraid to check anyone. But I mean, I was close with a lot of the players because this is like a brotherhood. You know, I was what, like 27 years old, 20 years old at the time.

And they're anywhere from 18 to 23. So like I'm closer in age to them than they are the coach, like the full-time coaches. So, yeah, I was pretty close with the majority of the team. It truly was like a family atmosphere where, I mean, everyone got along with everyone. And that goes back to Coach Harbaugh hiring a great staff and that great staff recruiting just the right people. I know we're getting kind of close to that hour 30 mark right now. I had a question about exos. And I heard a rumor that there was.

was pirating videos going on from Exos, the film company. The software, yeah. That was actually pirating, taking Michigan's practice film and giving it to other Big Ten teams. Do you have any knowledge of that at all? I don't know what Exo's role would be or not be in that. Allegedly, exot is allegedly. Yeah, well, most teams, yeah, have XOs.

There's DV Sport, too. all I'll say is I have seen other Big Ten schools signals I'm talking the original signal film that was like a GA doing the signals in the quarterback room right like the players would have on catapult to study I've seen other teams signals of that that the people who have showed me that claim they got it from Ohio State. Oh. Interesting.

I've seen that with my own eyes. So people that have the play calls. Like Ohio State, for example, may have traded that to someone for a different team's signals or whatnot. And that someone may have shown me, dude, you better be careful because look at what they got. And I'm like, holy cow. They made you aware of it. Correct. Hey.

Yes. And that's probably illegal, right? I'm not a lawyer. I have a question. Your manifesto, what was the foundation of it, like for you philosophy-wise? Like how did you start building out the manifesto? Obviously from military background, you talked about the coaches in the past, but you yourself putting this thing together, what foundation was it built off of?

Best way to explain that is... it's organized how I would organize a football program, which is very military-like in like a chain of command and like a staff org chart, you know, or usually in groups of three where like you have the head coach and headquarters, and then under them you have the football staff, the operations staff, and so on.

Within the football staff, that would be like anything related to football itself. So I break that into three different categories. Personnel, so scouting, recruiting, the actual X's and O, so offense defense special teams, and then player performance, which is strain the conditioning, you know, trainers and stuff like that, nutrition. And then each of those has a broken down subcategor. So if you gave me a thought on like, hey, I saw this really good thing.

that such and such a school was doing with their nutrition program, I would just go, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, there's the nutrition section, and I got all my organized notes, and I'd put it in there. And if you were asked, if you were to ask me, how would you run your, how would the logistics work for your operations department? Give me five seconds, I'll show you. Boom, boom, boom.

And then there's all my notes on that. And that's kind of, You know, it's just, it's a really good book, getting things done by David Allen. It's about how in order to actually apply something that you learn or see or whether it be a quote or, you know, something from a book, something from a movie, something from a conversation, you have to first be able to capture it. So write it down. then you have to take that captured thought and be able to organize it that's like my organized notes the michigan manifesto and then you have to be able to reference it though so that's why that's the beauty of if you're super organized then i can always go back to that like for example

if i read a book on leadership for example there might be a quote about something that's not necessarily specifically you know leadership it might be about there could be a football some football quote or something and you got to be able to every time i read a book i read the book take all my notes and then i go through the book again and everything i highlighted or underlined or wrote i put that where it belongs in the manifesto so then i can reference it without having a remember what book was that from it was a quote about football but it was in a leadership book like no i just go to the football section and there's the quote i couldn't dream to be this organized i could not and the beauty of it too is i can talk about that i'm you know probably never give away the

michigan manifesto but i can talk about it and no one will be able to duplicate it because i'm already 15 years ahead right right how how how like good luck down juicy out man how how did it develop over the year. It was just adding from the organization? Yeah, yeah. And it's a Google Doc now and you say like how many pages is it? I can't give you an exact number because I found this out the hard way. A Google Doc can't go over a thousand pages.

So it's multiple Google Docs. Oh, nice. No shit, dude. Yeah. God, how often do you go back and read it and be like, okay, this is different now, this is different now? Like nutrition, for instance. If you take something five years ago that someone said about nutrition, that's ever evolving. Yeah, it's just, it's ongoing.

It's ongoing. And I usually, I try to visit it, at least weekly, try to daily. You know, like if, you know, I've been traveling the last few days, I have, you know, I haven't been on it. But what I do, like, so at the Michigan Washington game, during the game, I have my notes up. Not the actual Google Docs, but just my notes app. And I'm just taking notes on everything I see like, oh, I was at the Seahawks game and Sunday, too you know so anytime i'm at a game or watching a game and i see a play i like or you know situation like uh you know this is bad flashbacks but uh 2011 fourth and inches in east lansing

and we run a play fake and you know i just remembered that yesterday watching the i think the seahawks giants game thinking like you know fourth and inches if i'm ever a coordinator I don't want to call a player the quarterback's back as to the defense in 14 inches, unless he's giving the ball. But it's just so risky. But like, so anyway,

you know, that just triggered that thought from 2011. So I write that down on my notes. And then tonight when I get back, I will put that exactly where it belongs in the manifesto.

So then whenever I'm a coordinator, I already have that in the fourth and short section to always reference and remind myself. Yeah. Your memory is shaky. Yeah. Are you sure that wasn't you?

Central nation the the manifesto did you give it the name manifesto no so that was that by the media so that was um it was just like my notes and I think it was during COVID when people didn't know football was going to be happening or not and a couple buddies of mine and I had these zooms just talking balls staying fresh in football and I remember kind of introducing it to to one of them and he's like this is like a manifesto And so we just kind of jokingly called it the Michigan Manifesto.

And then, obviously, the media ran with it. Dave ran with it. And I guess I now have to call it the Michigan Manifesto. It is infamous. You've got to whenever you've decided, I'm done doing the manifesto, you need to print that out hard copy. And then just frame it somewhere, just a book. But there's never an end to the Michigan Manifesto.

How could there be an end? That was a dumb statement. You win a national championship. There's already a section in there. You know, this is like a savingism, right? Like where... You could start doing it like encyclopedias. You can have like a volume one.

Yeah. I already have nine volumes. Do you... He said I already have nine volumes. Yes. Are you just doing AI up here from? He's just been popping up different AI, AI pictures that he's decided to make.

I mean, you saw the, you saw the recruiting, the, the, the scouting map in the documentary. Yeah. Did you see that? I did not. So it's a, it's a map of the United States. It's where every single draft pick, right? Every draft pick. So basically what I did was, again, I can say this because, well, you could probably hire some AI or you can do whatever now and probably catch you up on this.

But it's just the concept. This is just one of hundreds of concepts in the manifesto where, you know, people always talk about states. Like what's the best state for recruiting? Yeah. Is it Georgia? Is it Florida? Is it Texas? Is it California?

And I just kind of realized, why are we talking about states? It's literally something that Lewis and Clark drew back in the 1800s. Why would you recruit based on some state boundaries that were drawn a couple hundred years ago? So what I did was I plotted every single draft pick. I took the Google map layer off where you couldn't even tell where you were. And I just plotted everyone. And then I just drew my own little regions around where the mass people were and just kind of went from there. because like, you know, when people say Florida is great, well, it's mostly Fort Lauderdale, Miami, right?

When people say California, it's mostly L.A. and the Bay Area. Texas, mainly Dallas, Houston. Yes, there are certain states like Georgia and Texas where it is more spread out, but I just kind of figure, you know, why. And it's by position, too. Now I'm not going to give away which positions in my. which sub-regions are worth recruiting more than others. But yeah, there's definitely like certain regions are hotbeds for certain positions. So what's the best state for recruiting?

What's the best region? Region Miami. Miami's the best region. How does Arizona hold up? I mean, if you weren't there, then it wouldn't be as great. That is exactly how I wanted you to do. answer that. I didn't know that's how I wanted you to answer, but that's what I needed to hear. But, you know, I think Georgia is probably the best state where if you just close your eyes

and put your finger anywhere on the state of Georgia, you're close to a player that's been drafted. I like that. Yeah. It's extremely informative. I've loved every minute of this. I've loved every minute of this. We got a couple of sections. We got twisted question and then tier talk. I think we have multiple tier talks. One that we're just going to give to you. but the twisted question. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a parameda apostle chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden I'd had hanginess happening on my own.

I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with the new guy? That one's kind of hard, you know? Well, that's lighting.

They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.

And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. man, he running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court,

and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't think that was necessary. All right, this twisted question comes from Greg Hohenstein at Greg Ho 48 on Instagram. Shout out, Greg Ho 48. Your best big 10.

super team versus your best SEC super team who's on it and who is winning. Man, I could be the wrong person to ask here because I can't, it's not like I can sit here and think of all the players. Like just throw in, you know, one of the 90s Nebraska teams. I think you're going to be pretty good. But is that a Big Ten team, though? They are now. Yeah, but they weren't Big Ten then.

Right. They weren't Big Ten then. All right. So let's start a quarterback. Who's representing the Big Ten? We're completely creating our team from scratch. we're not saying like Georgia 21 you're create your like picking players oh gosh yeah it's gonna be tough yeah that's that's a that's a very long-winded twisted question can we we just

got to go like the best O-line the best receiver core maybe okay I'm just to speed it up all right big 10 quarterback I mean or uh Tom line you're using one of the Michigan ones recently yeah I yeah line yeah 22 Michigan O line 20 22 Michigan O line 20 22 Michigan O line 23. The man. They didn't, technically didn't win, we didn't win the Joe Moro war last year,

but that was probably because they just felt back because we won it twice in a row. First time we ever wanted twice in a row. But I would say that, I could say that all line. You could say last year. What, the 2020? Are we working on this together?

Yeah, we have to. There's no way the three of us are going to do. So we'll say that O line. I hate saying this, but it's got to be one of the Ohio State receiving corps recently now. Yeah, but I mean, with old Marvin Harrison Jr.

I mean, dude. Well, if you're going to be, pick them then you got to pick michigan's dbs though yeah right so we're just ohio state in michigan so far so what's that cj stroud might be um but this is all time drew brees yeah drew brees i i do you know i respect cj good guy he didn't beat michigan though he didn't beat michigan couldn't be michigan could go j c ber then i see he can go jay he can go jay J.T. Barrett. Yeah, they had three, they had

Duane and all three of those guys back to back to back. Yeah, this is way harder than I expected it to be. Troy Smith, too. You want to put Kittalett tight end? JP, grab the, you can do the SEC team.

Are they keeping track of this? You got to have Joe Burrow. No, I don't know. Cam Newton, though, his 2010 season. Yeah. Johnny Man's out. Superman. Johnny.

You guys do the SEC We'll do the Big Ten The number one greatest running back of all time And the Big Ten I'm looking at Archie Griffin Ohio State That's big That's big for the Big Ten

Okay so we'll take him We'll take him Let me look at I'll do line I'm gonna do linebackers I'm almost assuming like again And is this is this while they're in college? Yeah

Yeah, maybe we just do a defense Because for linebackers You can always pick like a Penn State squad Yeah When they had Yeah But you probably want to go LaVar Harrington

Last year's Michigan defense If you're going full defense Yeah if you're going full defense I mean Handled Alabama This is a way harder question than I wanted to be very difficult Yeah

Should we pass is there a backup question it's just too much it's just too much brainpower we might have to part I'm all look at best big ten punters of all time best our player Zoltan Mesco

Zoltan Mesco Zoltan's one of the first players I met at Michigan and they made like Ray guy he got way too much playing time Ray guy dude he um

when that uh that Ray Indoor was first made in 20 2009 he walked out and they're like It's big enough to where a punter can hit in his first punt without warming up at the top. It was like the most deflating, the outglick field house. Are we talking to Mumford real quick?

Yeah, we can talk to Mumford. We'll wait to these boys. They find out that we're punting on this. So Mumford. I mean, you got Charles Woodson. Yeah, we'll take him, I guess. I'm kind of just over the question. To be honest, I'm not.

We'll be here all day. Yeah, we hear. It's way too long. Yeah, this is literally an entire episode. It's like, let's just figure out the best all-time conference teams. I actually have a question for him. About Mumford? No, no, no, no, Mumford.

Go ahead. Stick on Mumford. What's that a question? I won't forget about Mumford. You keep that picture up. I'm not going to forget. Give me three coaches you feel like you've learned the most from. In real time, not like wood than people you were inspired by and everything. Yeah, yeah.

Guys, we punted on this question. Twisted question. Three coaches. CCCs? Three coaches. he's learned the most from but we're punning at it yeah three coaches he's learned the most from that's added the that's added value to the manifesto big value that's actually yeah that's that's probably the best way to yeah to ask that too um keny matalolo navy head coach now at san jose state

winning as head coach navy football history um chris partridge and i got two in mine for this third spot. It's either Jay Harbaugh or Mike McDonald. And ironically, all of those guys are in Seattle. I'd say Jay. I've spent more time around Jay. Those are the three that are the manifesto the most. Yeah, just from observing them and asking them questions and picking their brains.

How many coaches knew you had this manifesto going? Not like manifesto, like the fun, creativity part, but like actually. I think a lot of people just kind of knew I was very organized and had a bunch of notes and pulled out ideas. Was any coach like curious? Like, hey, have you been logging everything? Like, let's see this organization. I kind of bought into it. I think every coach has their own system of notes, right?

Yeah. Maybe not as organized. But I don't think people really think about it as much because they just kind of write down their note. Now, you know, once they realize, wait, maybe they're interviewing for next job up or whatever. and they need to organize everything. That's why I go back to vision, the concept of vision itself. Like when you picture yourself as that, you just start from the beginning like that. So you just organize everything as if you're the head coach.

And then you're ready for anything. I love it too, man. Should we do tear talk? And then I have one final question involving on stuff. We got to get Mumford. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Mumford. So the boys just, the guy that sells W.

We won our first game in a long, long time. Let's give a shout out to Mumford. And you say a long, long time. You were going viral by the little bit. Dusted. Like, let's check it on Connors' time. He just took an asswhip in like 60. Yeah, we also play like Casttack and everything.

Castag is like the school in Detroit. Okay. Mumford, you said it's been a long, long time since you guys got a W. How long? I think they won one game last year, none the year before. And two the year before that, something like that. It's been rough. So you resign from Michigan and Mumford calls up and says,

please, for the love of God, do something for us. Is that how it happened? I know the head coach, and he asked if I want to be to DC, and then it's kind of all, we only have like four coaches. And you're thinking yourself, what a challenge. No doubt. Yeah. You see how big as I's got to say?

No fucking doubt. Yeah. What an op. How has the defense gotten better since you gotten there? Yeah. We all kind of coach everything. So I'm coaching all sides of the ball. Yeah.

All three phases? Yeah. And for example, we have two offensive linemen in the entire program. No shit. Two? Two. Yep. So.

Well, you have two players that play offensive line in the entire program? We have two true offensive linemen. So, like, our tight end, Norman Adams. Shout out to Norman. Could be a very recruitable tight end had to take one for the team, and he's our left tackle. Oh no. It gets better, guys. Oh, my God.

Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson happened to him. So last week, every day it's like playing Tetris with the depth chart. And our starting slot had to be our right guard in the game we won. The right guard? Yep. Stepped up. Nate, shout out to Nate.

Shout out to Nate. Played right guard. Yeah. Got the dub. We ran the ball every play except one. All right. So, you know, it comes with its own challenges. Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of challenges involved. A lot of challenges. And, you know, it's really turned into guys taking sacrifices, right? Like, hey, you know, some guys wake up one day thinking they're going to be the slot receiver, getting some carries. And then they find themselves starting as the right guard. In the trenches. In the trenches.

That is great. What have you enjoyed most about the high school level? How easy the signs are to steal. No, there hasn't been a single sign. Oh, really? We, we, because so we, we, right, obviously we have some challenges. We have two offensive linemen. I mean, I could stop right there.

So you got to be able to manipulate tempo, right, to your advantage. So, and I can talk about this. I mean, no one's going to have an answer for it. So, you know, we, with two offensive linemen, what do you do? well, we do a lot of, I don't even know what you want to call it. It's not even tackle over. It's like everyone over. So you just take the two offensive line like, you're going to play on the left side of this.

No, like the center is the last guy on the line and everyone else is over there. But you can't just line up like that. You can't just give them 15 seconds to adjust. So we use like five or six different tempos where, you know, one of them is a speed break huddle. So we'll speed break to overloading one side and snapping the ball in three seconds. Like you're not going to be able to adjust to that in three seconds. No. We'll speed break into like pods where we have just the center and quarterback, five guys over there, four guys over there.

If you don't match your numbers, we're snapping it and getting it out. And we got a 75-yard touchdown last week on that. And the refs threw a flag for 12 men on the field. And I told our guy, stay on the field, stay on the field, stand on the field. I'm yelling at the ref. Count them. What do you mean 12 on the field? And they count them and then they go and have this meeting for like 10 minutes.

Like, what are they talking about? There's 11 on the field. There's been 11 on the field. And then all of a sudden they change it from 12 on the field to 5 in the back field. They're like, look, we're worried it right now. How do we get out of this? Michigan State fans. They saw you and they're like, probably.

Probably. We got to make sure this guy doesn't have success anywhere now. Yeah. But no, so we, you know, we utilize tempo to our advantage. And then we'll go fast, you know, we'll go fast tempo and run a play real quick. and then we'll just go regular old tempo, take our time. Everything's on a wristband.

They look at it, boom, they get lined up, they run it. And then we'll go fast again, but we'll hard count, get them to jump, first down. So, you know,

it's like, we had like a 10-minute drive. We didn't even score with half-ended. But like, hey, best defense is not even being on the field. Yeah. We had a 10-minute drive,

didn't even score the half-ended. That is so funny. Yeah. To the boys, what's your record right now? We're 1 in O starting this last week. Let's go 1-0. Cours are 1-0.

We love it. We got three games left and we actually could squeak into the playoffs if we win these last What kind of league are you guys dealing with? Well, we're Division 3. So we actually just beat a Division 1 team. Big time. Okay. Right.

Got to get kids eligible. We got to get kids ready. We got to get kids to buy into the program. Yes. And it is, you know, and I don't blame them. It's been tough, right? It's a big culture. shock and when you our first three games were against like three juggernauts and when they haven't won a long time

you know you know you don't say this but you kind of go in you know it's like it's like being a max school playing uh you know Alabama or whatever and you know you're you're prepping like crazy but you know you're not shocked if you don't win right yeah um and then week four week five it was was way more winnable games. We were in them. And it's just like, we just got to get that win to help with the buy-in.

And now that we got it, these guys are bought in. Right. Got to get another one. It's got to get south-eastern next week. Big game on the road. Everybody show up. Yeah.

You're listening right now. You're in the area. How is the student section from Mumford? Damn, dude. Is Chandler Park Academy? Are they, That's homecoming. I don't think that's a road game.

No, it's supposed to be a home game. Okay. Looks like it's a home game. Right now the website is wrong. It says ad. I think so. A lot of these scores are wrong too, by the way. There's one, 30 to nothing.

Renaissance scored three times. How do you get 30 points in three scores? Or maybe it was four. They had four touchdowns, but we were, we were four for four on two-point conversion. I mean, Kaz Tech is like my freshman year. There was like 10 dudes. That's Jordan Lewis.

Yeah. That whole. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean.

I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hangingness happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that Ness was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex?

Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with the new guy? That one's kind of hard, you know? Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, How hard can it be?

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His IQ is at a level that we've never. seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, Hell get the flying.

He running the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Yeah, that was like Weber. So you guys scoreless up until the last week? We scored in the first game. Okay. But a shout out Mumford, dude. Yeah, shut up Mumford. That's awesome. That's all time.

I'll get this last question and then we can go to your talk and then we'll close shop here. So there's obviously a lot of things that you are alleged doing legally, illegally with that. Well, nothing illegal. You're allegedly people are saying. NCAA bylaws. Right. Nothing against the Constitution. Right.

Nothing against the Constitution. So there's a lot of things that people are saying that you did. Who else in the Bayton are you aware of are doing the same things you're being accused of doing? I'm not there. So I don't want to say exactly this is what this team's doing. This is what that team's doing. But there's a lot of Big Ten teams who are at that level. It's Ohio State, Ruckers, I believe Penn State, Indiana is really good.

Those are probably the top four in the Big Ten who are, we're all on the same level. Yeah. Yeah. What is, just for Wilcoons' sake, where does Nebraska rank in this type of category? I'd say they're, how many tiers are we talking here? Like if you're just say five tiers, they're probably tier two, tier three. They're not bad. They're good at protecting.

So they got to know at least something. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. You want to be around that tier two, tier three range. Yeah.

In your time, obviously, we've already figured out that you know who Ohio State. with Conor Stallions is. Did you ever trade information with them? Again, the only time was not directly, I gave something to give to someone, to give to someone to give to him to help him. Did they ever give anything to you? To have them win?

To have them to help them. Did they ever approach, did anybody from Ohio State ever approach you about future teams or anything like that? Or was it kind of like, we just don't talk to each other? No. Zero percent.

Yeah. and Ohio State had the OG signals from somebody. Yeah, I mean, they definitely were utilizing stolen signals well before we were, definitely. So you're aware of Dave Portnoy? That goes back to the 2018, 2019. You're aware of Dave Portnoyneau and his champagne bottles. What about them? Are you aware of them?

No. So Dave has all of his biggest enemies in the world. He has champagne bottles. and when they fall, he opens that champagne bottle and he drinks it. Who would be your number one champagne bottle? Team? Life, person, human, anybody. This got to be Ryan Day, you know?

Yeah, it's your champagne bottle. That's your champagne bottle. I will tell you this. You're sitting back ready to pop one open. You're just waiting for the dominoes to fall. We were in Columbus for a spring tour last year, right? It would be Ryan Day. Yeah.

All right. Who would be your next champagne bottle? Yeah, because I've, well, states like that's the issue goes moral enemy number one yeah yeah who would be your second champagne bottle person or team or well let's say person let's do person that that's got to be up there um that would make things easier um i mean i'm not a fan of michigan state and that's not a person but I got nothing against Jonathan Smith. He's their new head coach.

Yeah. I mean, it was Mel Tucker. Before that, it was Mark D'Antonio. D'Antio was a dog. He did a great job developing players. I respect them. Yeah. I'm not a fan.

No. I will tell you this. I hate Michigan State more than Ohio State. I'm right there with you. Are you really? Yes. Okay. When you grow up in the state of Michigan,

you're surrounded by Sparty's not Buckeyes. So, like nationally, the game, right? Obviously, that's the game. Yeah. And you prepare for that game all year, no doubt. But, like, when it comes down to, like, this is personal, Michigan State. For the state title? Yeah.

All right. Tier Talk. So Tier Talk is, I'm all explaining to you. So we go through our top three. Okay. You've seen it? Yeah. So you're going to start with your tier three, then you go to your tier two, then your tier one.

Our tier talk today is best spies, not best spies or best spice. Best spies. So I'm ready to go. Do we have a God tier? Do you want to say on three? One, two, three. Connor Stallions. Okay.

Connor Stallions will be our God tier. Okay. All right. So Connor is our God tier spy. I'm ready. Movie character. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'll go first. My tier three is going to be Sterling Archer from the show Archer. I think he's an alcoholic, but he always finds a way to get the job done. I think that show is incredibly well done. I just, I love the show. He is a fantastic spy. My tier two is going to be Jason Bourne. Jason Boyd, there's been a, great spy.

There's been a argument on this bus. for a long time who is it who would win to fight jason bourne or john wick my after what were you watching the jason bournes it's clear's day this guy just stays one step ahead of everybody now it'd be very interesting to see based on how technology is advanced since his movies came out they're no longer doing flip phones if you'd be able to keep the pace but he's my tier two and my tier one who would have been my god tier given that everybody else felt felt the same way is going to be james bond I think James Bond is the OG I love the fact that every 10 years or so

they just recycle the storylines new James Bond everything it is just it's all fucking time it's all time so that is my tear talk boys in the back bless you sneaky all hyphenated

get some rest Pam you look tired decent I'm technical military solid you need one more to describe how I did

I'm also trying to think of my three at the same time elite okay all right well yeah we got there I mean because I mean two of my three are on there there you go I see Sterling Arch with us

I love that show my tier three is going to Kim Possible, globally fighting crime. Do what? Why? Seems like she's got a great personality. My tier two is going to be Harry Hart, the Kingsman, Special Agent,

good, mentor to Gary Egsie Unwin. And my tier one, sneaky, it's going to be the scout piece in the board game Stratego. You're able to manipulate this piece around and when it gets a exposed, it's ultimately like you're trying to smoke out other pieces on the board. And I love Stratigo growing up, one-on-one, just a chess match where you're trying to protect your flag, kind of like capture the flag, you can place bombs around it. And then there are ranks from like one all the way to maybe 10, maybe eight, but then there's a scout piece that can kind of move around, maneuver around that you want to smoke out. And I'm going to go with the scout

piece. A hyphenated frontrunner. Frontrunner. Almost. Dun dun dun dun dun. Hyphenated first half team. Hyphenated lost me. Nerd.

Whatever. Bitches. Bitches. Interesting. Thank you. I'm going to go number three, spy kids. Okay. I was checking them out.

Yeah. You know, it's one of the, gotta be the first spy movie I've ever watched. Yeah. Number two, I gotta go with James Bond. And number one, Born.

Like Born? Yeah. You like Born over Wick? Yes. That's all I need to hear. Gay. Inspector Gadget. It's a good one. It's a good one. There's a lot out there, though.

There is. Well, the best ones you can't talk about. Correct. Yeah. We've been in the spy museum? No. We did. I have been in the spy museum. Well played.

And thanks for coming. My one word? Manifesto. Detailed. Pro. Calculative. Classic. Classics.

Hyphenated all business. Boys, let's give a right of applause for product challenge. contacted you Friday. You're here on Monday. I really appreciate you coming in, the insight, everything. It has been a little sweat the nation. All the things that happened to come out of that manifesto of yours. We appreciate you taking the time to sit down with us. Yes, sir. And this is your first like long form interview since all of it, right? Besides the documentary. Besides my nine hour master interview for the documentary. Yeah. Yeah, man. Thank you. This was, I enjoyed every minute. I would have, I would have enjoyed being in the trenches with you and playing for you. I would have loved every fucking minute.

of it. Well, Compton's the slobry seat. Do you have, I was going to say, you would have a high school eligibility. Yes, sir, coach. Yeah, I need but also, I know you want to give me the ball. Well, maybe we can pull the guard and hand it off to them. No doubt. Southeastern, watch out. Southeastern, watch out. All right, boys, big hugs, ten of kisses. Please subscribe. Rate five stars. Thank you so much for everything. Talk to you soon. Hey, that was incredible. Awesome. You were awesome. That was incredible.

Yeah, that's one of that. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva. And on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be? I call on my Gen X squad from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. Unfiltered conversations from night sweats to futas to scheduling sex.

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