Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Is A CFB25 SICKO + The Cost To Get A Car Into The Daytona 500

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

Recorded on Recorded: March 24th, 2025 | On this Best of the Bus, Dale Earnhardt Jr. hoped on The Bus again and took the boys full throttle. From his early days rocking the iconic Budweiser colors to the not-so-glamorous reality of having to poop mid-race, Dale Jr. brings the perfect mix of legend and locker room humor. He breaks down pre-race nerves, the mental grind of NASCAR, and what it really takes to get a car into the Daytona 500. The conversation dives into carrying the Earnhardt name, the one NASCAR rule he’d change, and the underrated chess match of “free agency” in racing. Dale also opens up about the pressure, preparation, and pride that come with being one of the most recognizable names in motorsports history. But it wouldn’t be Bussin’ without getting a little off the rails. Dale talks biggest purchase regrets, his obsession with EA Sports College Football 25, and embracing his inner gamer. There’s Bud Light talk, a passionate breakdown of being a diehard Washington Commanders fan, and even some last-minute NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament bets thrown into the mix. If you’re into NASCAR stories, , gaming talk, and classic Bussin’ banter, this episode was fantastic! Big hugs, tiny kisses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Fellas. Yeah. We're here. We are here. We did the reveal of the bus. The bus looks fantastic. A little backstory on that. It was obviously wrapped before.

And then we had some guys come in, come in shout out Wick Customs. They came in and they were kind of giving us like, hey, this 50-50. When we started to take this thing off, it could just ruin the entire pain. Yeah. So seeing it for the first time, it's pretty pristine. I don't know, but the eight out there's got a little wear and tear. That's all right. But I kind of like it.

Yeah, a little character. It's nice, man. Yeah, bus looks great. It's good to be back. Thanks for having me back. I'm excited about y'all's a new partnership with Bud Light. I've worked with Anheuser Bush for years. Still got a relationship with them here, the Dicass car.

Your butt heavy, though, yeah. Yeah, so we call them blue coats and red coats. Yeah, blue coats, red coats and red coats. But the butt heavy. Yeah. So, but I enjoy, I enjoy plenty of Budlights in my lifetime. Yeah. And so it's cool. You guys got that relationship.

So glad that that's kind of what has allowed you to kind of get back to your identity and bring the bus back and all that. Yeah, man. It takes from coming out too. Like, I was telling, when you were over here taking a Tuesday, he came in and he had all these gifts. I'm like, yeah, you're like the best guests. Like you're flying in for the boys. You're coming with gifts. Very rarely do guests come and they bring gifts.

Yeah. That's giving out stuff. Yeah. But yeah, I was like really running over here, take my little afternoon Tuesday, and you were like pulling up. And he had like, what, multiple helmets in your hand, a bunch of stuff. I was like, oh, man, he's bringing some cool stuff. I didn't think it was going to be for us. Yeah, I brought these.

The helmets weren't. The helmets weren't. But I got these dope coosy. You said your dad made these? So I, so I remade my dad's coozy from 1981. And back in 81, that was a coozy, like the foam boat, float in the water kind of thing. Yeah. So I had a company remake those for me because I just loved.

the nostalgia and all things earned heart from back in the day. And I brought you some more modern, the Bud 8 coosies that we had made. It is badass, man. Just some gifts, some drink, some fun. Yeah. I wonder when, because we were talking before this started, Jack McPherson had a nice little tweet about the 2004 Bud Light can. Like, when are we going to bring these back?

We need to talk to Bud Light about what does BuzzWin'Wallis have to do to bring back a vintage can. Yeah. But just in general, like I feel like the 80s and 90s. that vintage type of style needs to make it come back in some way. We might be the podcast and you might be the individual as well to help us get that done. Yeah, I think it's, I mean, it's recognizable. All the logos, they kind of change and evolve over time.

Some people come in and put a new modern take on on Bud Light or something like that. But it is kind of cool. Those cans become collectors, you know. Bud Light always does this annually where they'll, where I live, they do Panthers cans, Carolina Panthers can. So it's all black with the Panthers and all that stuff. Yeah. for Washington one year.

I still got like a case of Washington cans, right, that I'll never drink. And so it's kind of cool all the things that they do, but it would be cool to throw back. Or bring the frogs back. The Bud label. Bring the frogs back. Bring the OGs back.

I feel like if you did a call back on a couple of those commercials, people would just stand in a plot in their living room. So pause it and be like, let's just get a right of applause for that. So back in, back when I was working with Bud hardcore was 2000 all the way up until 08.

And I was at the National Sales, convention every year where they would unveil the commercials before anyone else got to see them. And Bud and Bud Light specifically had the best Super Bowl commercials. You know, you mentioned the frogs and the lizards, the was-a-a-guides. I mean, every year we would go to these national sales convention. There would be probably 50 celebrities. Everybody they were working with was there, singers, bull riders, actors. And we all sat in the same spot.

There would be 5,000 people in this room, like bottlers and reason. retailers and all their people, all the bud people for all of their brands. And we all sat down and we're like, can't wait to the commercial part, right? We're going to watch all the commercials and they were great because they were really, you know, funny as shit. Some of the best commercial, remember the Bud Bowl? The, like, the football bottles out there playing during the Super Bowl. Yes.

They had, like, the Bud Bowl. Like, as a kid, that was cool as shit. The Clydesdale's. I wasn't even on up the drink beer. Yeah, the Clydeals ripping. There was one they did for the Super Bowl that was like a bunch of horses playing football. And then one of the guys, one of the cowboys are there is like,

that ref's an ass. Yeah. Nope, I believe it's a zebra. And I thought that would a, what a commercial. I'm a teenager watching the Bud Bowl. And I'm like,

I'm watching a Super Bowl. And I'm like, I can't wait till the fucking Bud Bowl comes back. I want to see if Bud Light wins. You know, you're like legit, like bought in the damn thing. That's just a gimmick, right?

Yeah. But, dude, it's, so when you first started, when you get into NASCAR for the first time, everyone always has their presenting sponsor. Yours was Budweiser.

Was that like, Pretty clear cut, easy to get done? Yeah. Or was like, were other people trying to get you before? Oh, I don't know. I was, I wasn't involved. I was so young and my dad was doing the wheeling and dealing in the background. And the bud deal that we did at that time in 2000 was 10 million a year.

It was the biggest deal that anybody had. They were coming from Hendrick Motorsports where they had been for quite a while. And so that was pretty unique because Hendrick Motorsports is I would drive for them down the road. They're a well-respected company. and so to kind of pull a brand like Bud from them to to invade that Bud was taking a chance on me to to be good and so it was really cool I remember August Bush rides into our shop on on with the Clydesdells and the and the dog on top of the bud you know the big wagon and the stage code whatever that thing was and they roll into our shop and they He comes down, hops down.

August Bush, the guy that owns a company, shaking my hand. Man, I remember going to the brewery or the business downtown in St. Louis and walking through there and just being amazed to be connected to such a massive iconic brand back then. Did you ever get to influence like a decision with them sponsoring you? Well. Anything creatively? No, not really. The car.

No, no, no, no. Hey, bring the vintage cans. back. No, the one thing, so they were funny because they're, there's some healthy competition between Bud Light and Budweiser and all their other brands. Like they, they compete inside the business and kind of like teammates, racing teammates competing in each other, but it's healthy, right? Raises everybody up.

And you don't want to be by your teammate. You want to be the best teammate, right? And so there's a little healthy competition inside the business with Bud Light and Budweiser. And so I went to them one time. I didn't know about that. I went to them one time. I said, you know, it'd be cool? I was like, what if I drove a Bud Light car one race?

I always drive the Bud car every week. What if I did a Bud Light car? I think it'd be cool. And they're like, hell no, you're never running a Bud Light car. They're like, shut it down immediately. Yeah, they were like, no. That does sound crazy. I think of it is just like Budhead is just like the big.

They're all together, right? Yeah, yeah. We met with them in New Orleans during the Super Bowl. and I think I said something about Bud We're Buddweiser and Bud Light to one of the guys, and they kind of looked at me like, we're not going to do that. No. Yeah. Yeah.

And the other thing that I learned from them that was really, I've hung on to this. I don't know right or wrong. I thought this was, hey, they're successful. So I'm going to believe in this idea is they rarely wanted to change the car, the way the car looked. They loved the continuity and that you could look out in the field from the grandstands immediately see that car and it looked the same all the time and they they love that continuity the car being the same whereas today you know there's there's different sponsors different your you know your favorite driver's driving a different looking car every week and it's it's

tough to sort of follow along and and there's no there's no equity built up in a in a look of a car right but man when I drove Budweiser like you can show fans this car and they're like right away that that triggers their nostalgia and they're like like, oh man, that was my car. Because I ran that car and it looked like that for five, six, seven years. And we never changed it. They just, we would bring them all kinds of ideas. And we did some one-off stuff with baseball and other people here, you know,

where they had an all-star car and they did some music stuff with different bands. But for the most part, like they didn't want to change the look of the car too much. I adhered, like I kind of like believe in that idea of building equity and continuity in a brand and the way it looks. Like, I don't mind modernizing a logo, but it's got to have, it's got to still look like the original. Yeah, it's got to have some tie.

Right, yeah. Just like you're saying, like if a casual fan goes and watches a NASCAR race and they're able to point out a vehicle that they've seen before, that's like I feel like they're more a part of it. Yeah. Oh, okay, I know.

They feel like they know a little bit more about the race now and everything. But if you're changing colors, like when we're at your shop, it seemed like you guys had a different paint scheme for everything. That's the way modern NASCAR today, everybody runs a different looking car. because you need so many partners, so many sponsors.

You can't have, like, one sponsor that can fund the entire season. So we have to run a different sponsor almost every other week. But, like, if you look back in the history, everybody remembers the black three car. Dad had the same sponsor for many years. Jeff Gordon in the Rainbow 24. You remember those cars because they were in that same car every week, every year for multiple years.

And they built equity and value in that. They still lean into that today. So we do too. Like I ran this car, this little late model stock car. I ran it at a place called Florence, South Carolina last November. And man, we unveiled the idea that we were going to do this, and people went ape shit. And just balled right into it, right? And all the people started, you know, everybody on social media sharing stories about their experiences of watching, you know, the cup version of that car back in the 2000s run and where they watched it race.

And it was really a great experience. Dude, that is awesome. Yeah. Did you ever have, like, in your racing days? where you might have finished like 12th or middle of the pack and it felt like a big win. Oh, yeah. So there's this one race I always talk about. So it's always great to celebrate the wins, obviously,

but I'm sure y'all had games where maybe the overall outcome wasn't what you were looking for, but you had there's moments, right? Maybe it was a sack or an interception or something like that. Or you just had a great game that nobody's going to remember. but you. There was a race at Martinsville, North Carolina, or Martinsville, Virginia, probably 2000 and, I don't know, four, 2005. We start to race, big crash in turn one.

I'm in it and tear the right front off of my car and the damage the back of the car. There it is right there on the screen. So by time we got the car kind of repaired and able to get back on the track, that's what it looked like. I'm out there getting ready. It's like five laps into the race. a 500 lap race at this tiny little bull ring. And I get back out there and I'm like, God,

dang, this is going to be a long day. My car is wrecked. It's not going to be competitive. I'm going to be in the freaking way all day. This is going to suck. We get to running and running along there. Nothing's really happening. But as the run, as the laps start clicking off,

start passing a few cars, start going by a few more guys. My car's feeling good. Guys are getting worse. And I'm just starting to both. I drive through the field all the way up into the top 10. I'm like, shit, we're good. This is going to be, this car is great. and I drive up into the top 10.

I spend myself out right here underneath the 12 car, have to go right to the back of the field again, drive right back to the front. Ended up finishing like fifth, fourth or fifth in the race. I'm in the photo as we're coming off term forward battling for the win. I'm there, right? And, you know, I just always,

I got a, somebody made me a custom die cast of that car. It's like the size of this thing that I have in my collection. I got a little modest collection of custom shit. And so somebody made me one of those. And I'm like, this is like my favorite race I didn't win because of all the shit that went wrong and how bad it should have been. But we just didn't stop trying. And the car actually was badass. So the fact that the fender's missing, it kept the right front tire cool and allowed the tire to really outperform everyone else who had a tire that had a big fender on it that was in there getting cooked by the brakes and the engine and everything else.

And so the fact that my car is out in the wind actually was an advantage over the long course of the day And that's why the car I think actually ended up being Really more competitive than it should have been There's obviously rules and regulations of like how cars supposed to be set up and all that But you ever think like I wonder if it's like a tear away Kind of like the pants We talked about it like I joke

Yeah It's like a disadvantage Yeah maybe just like hit the wall real quick Oh yeah It's kind of clip up with the pad you take out certain parts of your shoulder pads To be a lighter used to do that. You used to go that last little pad.

Yeah. There is, there's, there's an advantage if you lose the tail piece of the car. NASCAR won't let you run that. NASCAR makes you come down

pit road and reinstall the tail if the whole tail comes off. So the back bumper. If that, that back bumper being on there creates a lot of drag underneath it. Air comes from under the car

and gets into the back bumper. So if that were to come off, that's kind of an advantage in some scenarios. And so NASCAR makes you reinstall that. But we, after this happened, I joked with my teams for the rest of my career. Like, hey, when we go back to Martinsville, you know, if the fuck, if the fender falls off,

it's okay. Like don't, don't, you know, if there's a reason why. And that Tom Brady Nudge, like, hey, the footballs are actually better when they're deflitt. They're not telling you what the deal, but if we could have a little like somewhere there, I wouldn't be mad. Why is Dale driving into the wall? There's a process.

Yeah. It's acting a little weird, huh? Yeah. Just, so when you went back there, you're kind of hoping. No, I just knew. And there was a picture of a guy named Harry Gant, and he won that race in 1981 at Martinsville, and he had damage on the right front front front tires exposed.

He won that race again in 1991, with the right front fender completely gone. Same guy. And then probably a handful of years ago, I think Martin Tricks Jr. or somebody else ran really well with a lot of damage in the right front tire, the left front right front tire, I think exposed.

And so, I mean, it's kind of common knowledge now, But you can't build a car to where the shit will just fall off for you. They'll catch you? Yeah, it would be tough to do that. When you have success the way you do there, like, I don't know about you, but like in the football world, like a lot of guys are superstitious. Some guys lay their stuff out to listen to certain music and stuff like that. Did you have like a game day ritual that you would hit every single, every single week? Well, you just got out.

You just woke up pissed excellence and got after it. I, um, my superstitions were all the general traditional common knowledge superstitions. like walking under ladders, breaking mirrors, the number 13. In racing, people used to say the color green. That was like a widely hard adhered to superstition. The color green was bad luck. Now, that didn't make any sense to me because there were green race cars. Money is green.

There's green, you know, there was moments where green didn't seem to bother my look, right? And so I didn't really buy into that. Peanuts. For some reason, peanuts. around a race car. There's people that old heads kind of believe peanuts is bad. Okay. Like just having peanuts around? Yeah, don't eat peanuts around.

Yeah, somebody's eating them? Get away to my car. Doesn't matter if they're shelter or unshelterled or just peanuts in a better. So, um, these are pistachios. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's good, he's good. Let him go. But that's a bit of an older wise tale. But man, I was one that kind of believed in the like the traditional

stuff and like, um, yeah. So what's the weirdest superstition you've ever seen from a different driver? I think the ones you hear about They're even hard to believe Is like race car drivers Waring the same pair of underwear Every race

They got a specific pair of underwear That they have to wear that day Yeah Or yeah I don't I've heard some kind of strange stuff like that But nothing too crazy To be honest with you

I didn't I was more worried about like Don't eat anything That's gonna fuck your stomach up You know or like Have you ever gotten the bubbles Like a bubbly like bubbly gut bubble gut? Yes.

Bubble guts? Yes. Bubble gut, booblet. You got a pain that, hold those cheeks tied in there, huh? So you've had it when you're out there racing? Do you shit yourself? No, I never shit my pants.

You missed yourself? Oh yeah. Lots of times. Hell yes. So on the hot days. You got bubble guts, bro. There's no, I mean, you can hold it in, but it's going to, you have a slight release.

Like, let me try to get some air out. But you're like, there's no room for air here. I think for like the normal population to people like you're very aggressive with getting the air out of your butt. Like you, you'll take a chance that most people, I remember being in the airport with you and being like, I had to go the bathroom real quick.

I just shit myself. You know, I feel like you kind of don't possess the quality of thinking like, oh, poop might come out here. There's an art. There's an art to getting, always finding the limit. There's an art to getting the gas around the poop. Yeah.

And getting that out. I agree. But when you got bubble guts is kind of, well, no, no. So like, the shit's coming. You're going to shit, right? But if you can get the air around the, shit that buys you a little time.

Yeah, you're just, yeah, that's, you know, that takes the pressure down. The ship's going down. You got to get some weight off to slow the ship from. That buys you about 10 minutes. Yeah, every fart. Wrapping around the dirt almost kind of pushes it back up a little bit. It just takes the pressure down. That's basic science is what you guys are talking about right now.

That's hydraulics. Yeah. And so if you're, I was pretty good at just, you know, making, I could fart. If I needed shit, I could probably, you know, I can relieve the pressure without shit in my pants. And so I never shit my pants. okay but with bubble guts you were able to hold it in yeah i mean the problem is is though do you i mean this is funny we're talking about this but do you know i my problem was is that when the

you know whatever the moment is right whether you're in a race or you're driving home and you're like holy shit i got to get to the fucking toilet it's coming your body knows when you're near that toilet isn't that crazy because like you you're like all right i made it into the driveway i'm gonna be fine. And then as soon as you get near the front door, it's like, fuck, no, we got to go now. Got a sprint. It's like the time is now. And you fortunately just get your pants down right in time like as you just start going into the toilet. Now a couple of those situations where you're literally flying by the seat of your pants where you're like unbuckling and kind of like doing this hit maneuver to jump onto that toilet just in time. Is you're hitting toilet the same time

things are coming out. Yeah. That's a wild deal. Your body knows. It's like, hey man, you're not fool me. You're near a toilet. This is happening. I got to go. But pissing yourself. that's status quo. So this is the thing with pissing yourself. Can I, so, yeah, I basically, I want you to explain this, but then I also want to know probably on a percentage on a race. How many of those drivers have wet pants? To be clear, we're not shitting ourselves regularly.

Yeah, but we do pee on ourselves sometimes. This happened to me probably a half a dozen times in my career. So you, the inside of a race car is a good day, 120 degrees. 125, 130, on a bad day, 150 degrees. Super hot. So when you know, you know beforehand, like on a Thursday or Friday, you're like, it's, fuck, man, Sunday, race day, it's going to be 95 degrees. It's going to be some miserable inside the car.

And so you start thinking about that and you start hydrating, right? You're trying to do a little extra hydrating. You get up in the morning, you're drinking water and everything. And there's a lot of things that are happening right before you get into the car, driver's intro and a couple other things handshaking and gripping and grinning photos that that are their roadblocks to pissing like you you can't get to the john and so you you don't get to use the bathroom and make sure you're good to go before you get in the car so hop in the car you buckle up start your engines you're in you're committed right you're going to drive this thing off pit road and start

this race then you're like shit i got a pee and it's i got a three and a half hour drive in this car i got a piss you can't focus if you're holding a pee you can't like you you you're You know, you're miserable, caution comes out. You're like, shit, you're, you know, sometimes when you're driving in the race, green flag, there's enough debt focus that it can take your mind off of it. But, you know, caution comes out. You're like, fucking, I'm just going to piss. And so.

It's kind of hard to piss yourself too. You over. It is. Trying to like relieve yourself. It's like doing it in front of somebody. Yeah. You know what I mean? You have to be fully relaxed too.

At the minute you try to flex. Like, you're hitting a turn. You got a strain a little bit. Like, it closes it back on you. You have to do it under caution. I don't think I've ever been able to piss. driving in green flag conditions because you're focusing so much and thinking about driving a car, you know?

But there's the times that it's happened, you just can't get, you're not going to get to the finish. You're not going to, you're going to pitch yourself. It's going to happen. You've got to, you know, accept the situation you're in. It's not a big deal because you're sweating your ass off. It's miserable in there anyways. It's, you know, it's already gross. Yeah.

And so when you go, the only problem is is, so, you're, you get done and I always had white suits, right? And so I'm like, so I'm thinking like, I got this white suit. I'm like, shit's going to be obvious, right? When I get out, people are going to look at me and go, damn, he's fucking piss himself. Like it's obvious. Like water boy sheets over there hanging outside. And so what I would do is I would say, if I had pissed myself, I figured it out.

I got, I'd say, hey, bring me an orange gatorade when I get done here. When I pull up, when I'm done, I pull up onto the pit road and I'm going to get out. Like, bring me an orange gatorade. and I would pour that orange Gatorade all over to like blend it in. So you couldn't see. You know, that is some dehydrated piss. Yes. Well, it changes the color of your clothes.

Yeah. And so I'm just, you know, I don't want people to go, eh, look, dude, pissed him. And so, yeah. So I would kind of blend it in, and then I would get out of the car. And then you have to tell the interior guy. There's a guy that's responsible for the interior of the car. That's his job.

He works on that part of the car all week long. And he's got a clean, up the interior and then he's got to get it ready for the next race. And so that's his role. And he's your buddy because he knows everything about what's going on inside that car with you. And he knows everything you touch and you and him talk all the time about, let's move this knob.

I can't reach it. Or let's put this over here. That'll be more comfortable. And hey, man, I need to change my seat. It just don't feel right. And so you and him are close, good buddies, texting pals, right? And you got to tell him, man. Hey, man, I pissed the fucking seat, you know?

You're going to, Monday morning, I'm sorry. You know, you're going to take this seat out and it's going to fucking smell. I'm sorry. You know, what, you can't, I mean, you feel bad. You kind of want to go and help him get this seat out. Sometimes that's not possible. Yeah. He has to pull the, there's an insert.

The seat has a foam insert that's made perfectly for you. So he just has to pull that out and then, you know, steam it down or hose it or pressure wash it or whatever. Hang it up. Yeah. But that's tough telling a, guy, look, you got to, you got to put up with this shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you ever puked yourself? Never. No. No, I know. Like you just, you got the helmet on? You're just like, I'm not feeling right. You just start puking down here.

So there's some guys. It would be actually pretty badass. I know some guys that have done that. And I can't imagine being so miserable that you're, you got a full face helmet on, right? And you may be comprised. I mean, when you got a puke, a lot of these guys are puking during the race while they're battling, right? Running in eighth place.

all of a sudden you'll, I had this one guy that was driving my car and he's racing along and we're having a good day. He's running like seventh or eighth and it's coming down to the end and he just kind of goes high and loses a couple spots and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? He was throwing up. He just got sick and he's like push, pushes his helmet up just a little bit and he's like, throwing up all over himself. And it was like shredded chicken. Whatever he had he ate something that just was bad news. And it just was everywhere. When he pulls in after the race, it's just everywhere it's one of things you know when your kid throws up it just goes everywhere yeah and you're like ah you know you're the one has to clean it up you're looking in there and you're like god dang man

that's just it's everywhere you don't touch anything because it's all over the place but so that luckily it never happened to me because i was specifically like my morning meal i usually wasn't a breakfast guy so my meal before race was bread and and and and and and and like ham and mustard. And like this is basic. I wasn't going to. Just a ham sandwich with mustard. Yeah, you ain't going to grill me a piece of chicken.

Sounds like him separate. Yeah. Bread is bread? Ham and then I'll have the mustard on the side. I'm not going to do like a grill chicken. I wasn't going to risk, you know, eating something that was not cooked properly. You're just, you just, even though it's like highly unlikely you were going to have a problem, I just wouldn't risk it.

So I eat something very basic and just get something on, get the foundation in there and then go to work. It's a little stitious. Like just like rookies being sued. super nervous about their first NASCAR race. Yeah. You're kind of getting in. The elements are kind of getting to you. You just start to get a little dizzy.

You're like, yo, I got to puke. Yeah. The guys are puke. Like guys puke before games. I know guys that Noah Gregson drove for us and he's in a cup series now. He had a situation or an issue where I think he was holding his breath a lot at the end of these races. And so if you, you know how like if you guys maybe like went a little bit too hard in a sprint or something and you, get done and you like your body like sort of has this sort of moment where it's like you

fucking over did it you know and you get a little sick maybe um he would hold his breath i think late in these races and he would win these you know he could he would win a race get out you know and you get the other thing too i wonder if this is happening to y'all guys in football but there's no he's a wild one so oh nice air we're going zoom in on him real quick this guy's got a he's a wild man He's got an attitude about him. He does. He's like a modern-day Tim Richmond. He's wild.

He's got that Paul Swan with a zip down. Yeah. Paul Swan. He's great. In a sport that succeeds in a sport that succeeds on personality, he brings a ton. Yeah. So he would get out of the car, and I think he held his breath a little bit in the last few laps after trying to win these races.

And then he would get out and expel all of this energy over being excited. And then it would hit him, and he would just bend over and throw up right on the front straight away holding the checkered flag he's like yeah look there he is that's that's after winning a truck race at martinsville he's throwing up on the track that how do you get to where you're holding your breath at the end of the race like you're just so focused so you're just like not breathing yeah i think that you because when you go into the corner you sort of every when you go into a turn you like flex every bone every muscle in your body like you just you're pushing against the seat you're pushing against the steering wheel like if the steering wheel was

made of aluminum man you would just probably twist that thing right off the steering shaft and so like every time you go in the corner your legs are going against the leg braces and you're just every muscle is just flexed all the way and you you you know how like guys if you ever go up in uh with the with the blue angels or any of those guys they had those grunting practices when they get into the jeez yeah you do that too not because of the same reason they do but you just you go in the corner you're just driving this car And so like you don't breathe for a minute, like for a brief 15 seconds, right? And then you might breathe down a straightaway. Then this corner comes again and you hold your breath.

And I think that he was probably doing that to an excess. And then he gets out, wins the race, gets out and goes, yeah, you know, and just expels all of this excitement. And then he goes, you know, he just gets sick. I mean, I wonder, like if, say, take yourself to like, you know, a moment in a game where you're you're playing hard you're you're using you're you're using all of your energy right you're pushing yourself almost to that limit you know where that limit is where you can ride all day and you're right there and then you have a great play that you expel a little more to get

that play to happen right and you you're like fucking i i went a little hard there and then you maybe celebrate you know and and there's this sort of uh your body sort of says fucking calm down man you know you're about to throw up. Yeah. Or have you ever had that happen? I've never had it, but I know guys, guys do throw up. Like, I mean, when you're exerting all that energy anyway, it's like, even, even with workouts, guys would be puking after like GPP or something when you're doing like work capacity.

Damn. Yeah, I never, I only threw up. I don't remember ever throwing up in a game. Mm-hmm. I know what you're talking about, though, with like the like exertion of energy. For me, it always came like long drives and you think you score. And then you're getting hyped with the boys. You're celebrating.

And then there's a flag or they actually call it back and you have to do another play. and you're like, oh, yes. Because your body has a sense of being like, okay, it's over. I've expelled. You can rest right now because you know you have a break coming up. That's perfect. And it's like, oh, no, no, no, you've got to go one or two more plays. That's perfect.

But I've never ran into a situation where I threw up. We played a game in London. And I think it was 2016 against the Chargers. And my left guard got hurt. And then Corey Levin, shout out the boy who just actually resigned. He didn't think he was playing. So he's having pints in London with the boys. He's enjoying London a little bit.

And I remember like right. Right when he got in the game, we had like an 8, 9, 10 play drive, and we're in the middle of the field. And we're in the huddle kind of waiting. I think it was like a TV timeout or injury timeout or something like that. And he just starts puking. I'm starting rubbing his back. Like, hey, you're going to be right. Oh, my God.

Yeah. But there's nothing worse than I can't imagine the feeling of being in the middle of a game. Yeah. I'm not yakking. I'm not a puker. I don't, I can't, like, I can. I have one situation. I can get shithammer drunk and I feel like I want to throw up.

And I know that I will feel better if I do. I had a stomach bug last week. and I'm laying on the couch like, God, if I could just throw up but I ain't got it, I'm not like that. You don't ever get that on. I'm easy on the trigger. Can't do it.

We had some bad oysters in New Orleans. And it was like I'm laying in bed and I'm thinking the same thought you are on the couch. Like, man, I just got to throw up. And I'll just sit there and gag myself until I throw up. See, even trying that, I don't, I've tried to do that back in the day. I just can't. It's got to come out the other end for me.

I mean, you go. So you've never, you've never puked? not many times. Like I did get real fucked up one time and I remember the last time I threw up. Puking rally, Dale. Yeah, I remember last time I puked drunk. That was a long time ago.

Yeah. Yeah. The drinking always gets me. We do beer Olympics. I do shots. I can hold myself for a while. I can't do shots. But once I know like the game's over.

I'll even tell, like I'm, I'll go on a trip with some buddies and I'll tell them like in a text message before we leave. I'm like, don't even fucking talk about shots. We're not doing it. I got, I drink. I drink beer all day. I know my thing. I got a damn plan, right?

I know how, I know my pace. Yeah. Especially you get up there when you're getting older. Don't be giving, yeah. Don't throw a shot into the middle of the day or, you know, eight o'clock at night after we've been going for eight hours. Don't be throwing a shot in there because that,

that ruins it. That's Taylor. But when you've been going for eight hours, I am a villainous friend to have when you're, when you're out. Because I'll start to get a little cooked up. And then when I put the on switch on, I want to go. Yeah.

But I don't want to go alone. It's not fun to go alone. You want to bring your boys with you. So I'm definitely the guy that's like, I will always buying shots. I'll buy like, hey, let me get 20 of them. And then I'll just start dishing them out. I don't go to, Will you take it. I know Will is big on like, I got you, buddy.

And then one, two, three. We're like sitting in the corner. Yeah. So I've got to stay on. I'm watching. I'm watching. Yeah. I can see.

Yeah. Somebody's getting a freaking shot. They're getting shots. Fuck. I'll chug my beer so I can spit the shot in the beer. That's my plan. I'd rather chug a full beer than to take that shot. But usually like there's a couple of sips left in the beer and I'm like, I'll see it coming.

I'll be like, all right, I'm ready to take this shot. Put it in your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. The whole the drinking thing. Eight hours into boozeing with the boys, though, and shots get brought up. It's kind of, it always sounds like a good idea. Yeah, but it always sounds like.

I mean, if you're drunk, there's really knows that you're not really in the mindset. to say no anymore. Yeah, real maturity is realizing like around 11 p.m. You stop drinking. Yeah. Like, let me try to. That's when your brain starts, you'd be like, hey, there is a tomorrow. Yeah.

If you're lucky enough, there's going to be tomorrow. Yeah. That's when it becomes tough, man. You were talking about like all this stuff that happens before the race. So I won't speak for will, but for me, like the most anxiety I would have before a game would be jogging out. They're doing announcements. You do you, hey, how we doing?

Everyone's kind of dapping up. Guys were in the corner praying. And then all of a sudden the national anthem happens. And when that national anthem happens, it's like my heart rate is probably higher than it'll be the entire day. Like I'm just thinking about all the possible things that could go wrong, how like what these plays are, these specific ones. So my anxiety is so high. Yeah. What's it like for you when it's like you're doing the announcements and then you have to go shake the hands, kiss the babies.

Like I can't imagine being social before a competition. Is that a very difficult thing for you? Very difficult. Yeah. Yeah. That was our sport prides itself on being really. accessible so we we did it because it was like a we're boasting on our sport right in our industry how how how how people can come up and shake our hand or say hey to us right before we're

climbing in the car but it was hard mentally to like really listen to a conversation if somebody somebody wanted to tell you a story like hey man we met once oh that's how it always is I'm like yeah I can't really tune in right now I'm gonna sit here wrinkle my forehead nod yes I really don't you hate when people too are like hey you do you remember me yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, oh, we've met before. You're just thinking, bro. I'm about it.

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I'm about to jump in this car right now to go race. You want me to recall, remember the time that we met? People got to have a little awareness. Yeah. Like if you're about to go jump in a car and do 500 miles. It's like, yeah. Any, all of the, all of the, anything happening like in that two hours before the race,

before you're climbing in that car is, it feels like just a big, big obstacle. Mm-hmm. And you cannot wait to get in the car because you can't be, reached. You can't be, you're, you're in there and no one's coming in there with you, right? And you finally like get some, and you're sitting on your ass, right? So you're like relaxed and you're in your seat that's custom made for you. Everything feels good and comfortable. And sometimes, on them hot, I don't know if you guys ever did this thinking about the hot days that we had,

I would get a water bottle, multiple water bottles and poke a hole in the end of it. And I would soak my entire suit before I got in the car. And so my thought process was my body sweats to cool me down. If I'm already wet, I'm already kind of beating it to the punch. And it's still going to sweat. I'm still going to burn, you know, lose some water. But I'm, but I'm like, it don't have to rush to do that job or get that started in the first hour of the race, right?

And so if I soak the suit, now it's not poor. It's just wet. The whole fucking thing's wet like you put it in a bucket and wrung it out. Man, I'd get in the car and I'm pretty comfortable even on like a 95-degree. day and as soon as I get moving, any kind of air moving, it's like cool and, and like, some guys like to take the water bottle and just squirt it all over the sounds before game. Yeah. I feel like when you first start sweating too, like, if you get in the sauna and the first

five minutes when your body begins to sweat, you have like an irritation almost. Like you're like, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of itchy. Yeah. And then finally you get into a good sweat and you feel good. So I like that move. Yeah.

I like that move down to that. That's the point you sit in the car is when you feel like relaxed. Yes. Because for us, it's, it's the first hit. Like we'll get the first play done. Yeah, you get your first play of the way. Then you feel in the group. Let me put my hands on somebody real quick.

How we really feel in the day. That's when you know what kind of day it's going to be. Yeah. Because you get the first couple plays in it. It's like you might maybe mess up on the first three plays of the game. Yeah. That's a different mental warfare right there. Yeah.

How long? How, do you remember games where you were like struggling to find yourself to fall into that like comfortable space? Not like a, not like a full game? Yes. Yeah. I mean, I guess we're an alignment. It feels a little bit, it feels a little bit different because I feel like you're kind of in sync on doing the same thing. Like if you're blocking well, you're blocking well.

But I, like between like if you have a bad run play or a pass play on defense, it wouldn't really be something that it just like consumes you like goes into your play the rest of the day. But it's more so like it's that play that just sitting in your head the entire time you go back to the sidelines. So you might make a play and you're not even really caring that you made a play. Yeah. Because you're just thinking about what you played before. Yeah, for me. How coach is going to coach you when you. you get in the film room and everything else.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wish there was a way to, like, combat that. Because I feel it goes to every player's mind is like, what are the coaches going to say about this on Monday? And you're in the first quarter of the game. And you're like, oh, I can't wait to get past that point. You don't need to worry about that. Yeah, for offensive line, it's very like,

there's a lot of precision that goes into it, especially with pass blocking. So for me, it was like feeling out the speed of the individual. I'd watch them on film, like, okay, this person's faster. They're a little slower, but they're more power. It was really just like feeling. them and understanding like, okay, what does my tempo have to be against his person all day? And that first couple of past plays, whether it was in the first drive, luckily, hopefully

you don't go three and out. But if you have a good like six, seven play drive in the first series and you're able to kind of put your hands on them and feel it, that's when you feel a whole lot better. The tough is that first third down. Like the first thing you brought up, I remember we were playing the Saints. This had to be like 20, 21 or early, like 2020 or 19. And we played the first series and I overset a guy, dumb, big guy from University of Texas, El Paso, but I overset him and there was a first third down of the game and you just get in your head and you're like, and we got off the field after that and you have to think like,

okay, what did I go? What went wrong there? How do I have to fix this? They're going to be sure. Should I get out a little bit more? And then he starts second guessing all of these things you're doing. Yeah. From a technique standpoint that was always like just the mental game that was going on while

playing. I didn't think about that. Like, that's crazy because like when I'm watching a game, and there's a three and out, especially the first drive. You're thinking about the confidence of the quarterback. Yeah, damn, is this an omen for the rest of the day? Can we stop the other team from putting points on the board, getting behind? You don't even think about, like, the other individuals on the field

and how they're, you know, because I can't see the details and go, damn, though, my O'Limon feeling pretty shitty about that, right? Because he did this or that and the other. you don't even think about those guys walking off the field and how that affects their their confidence yeah it's a it's a interesting it that's we talk about football all the time obviously the football podcast but like 11 guys in the field have to do their job and especially with the offensive line like it is such a a mental game that goes along with the physicality of it especially in pass bro because that's how you get paid yeah the less sacks you get up give up the more money you make and so like those are like

it's like run block for show pass block for dough and if you can get in there and and really just feel confident early in the game, it makes everything so much easier. And you just know, too, just being a competitor and being an athlete with the NASCAR, like if you take a turn wrong, it's more about like you having the goldfish memory of thinking, all right, this is correctable.

I got reached on this run play. I was in a bad position. I took a bad first step. Like, you just got to correct the process and you were like, you know, your preparation to be in a better position. But if you end up letting that stuff consume you, like, oh, I'm taking these turns wrong

or, oh, I'm just not playing well today. and then it just kind of consumes your entire being. And you have to be able to start stacking and stacking and stacking. Yeah, you have to be able to put those like plays behind you if you're going to get out of whatever that said run is because usually it's just like a technique thing. But when you're talking about like you don't think about the offensive lineman, like when I watch NASCAR being a casual thing,

like I know how to drive a car. I can drive stick. But I'm not thinking about the technique that you guys are going through. I'm just seeing like, hey, they're breaking pretty hard on that turn. It seems like. But like what are like? This guy's moving forward. This guy's not.

Yeah. What are like the small pieces of game that you would like kind of focus? Like what were like kind of your mental hurdles you had to go through? So yeah, in the conversation we were having, your, your, the car is a really big part of the success or failure that you're going to have that day. And so your guys, it's your body and it's your preparation and all the, you go out there. And if you're talented and you've prepared and you know your opponent,

it, you go out there and it's you, right? But as a driver, you kind of, a lot of times are at the mercy of the ability of the car and if it can do it or not. And you'll go and start those, you'll start the race and run like a handful of corners and you're judging the car. You're going, is this damn thing any good? Is it going to be better? Is it better than that guy?

I'm catching him. I'm caught him there. Yeah, okay. I'm doing this right. It's doing that right. And or it's sucking and you're out of control and you don't have the, grip and you're losing positions and guys are on your ass and and and breathing down your neck and your confidence in the car determines whether you spiral down or or continue to do well and so as the in the very

first handful of laps a driver is really just judging this car and and and critiquing the car and okay if it's not great we're going to have a chance to fix it on the first pit stop pull down pit road tell the crew chief everything you can to give him all the information you can so he can make the best choice to fix the car improve the car he gets a chance to improve it you go back out there all right did he fix his son of a bitch we're gonna start the we're going to get the ring flag and start continue the race either it's improved and you're happy hey great job man you fucking fix my problem i'm better or he didn't fix it at all it didn't it didn't make a damn bit of difference and now you're like doubting the ability of your team and yourself

even make the day better. And sometimes it doesn't get better. Sometimes you just have a car that doesn't do what you want it to do, and you've got to drive a son of a gun for three and a half hours, and it sucks. But some days you start with a bad car, make it better, and you have a great day, and you're proud of that. You're proud of your guys, and some days you start to race in shit's badass, and it's awesome all day.

But you're always reliant on this car to, like, do things. And you can be the best race car driver, smartest guy, know everything you need to know and if your car sucks you can't overcome that right you can't wheel that car into into being what it can't do

yeah yeah with your drivers have you ever been like in the with the crew on race day like are you went from driver to the stuff that you do obviously do media stuff but have you ever

like you know taking the chance to be like put yourself in as like a coach like coach Earnhardt a little bit not a ton but we ran the Dayton of 500 this past February for the first time as a team. So my team that I've owned as an owner runs in basically kind of what is what I'd call

the college level. And we have four full-time teams and they race on Saturday before the big boys on Sunday. And so that's what we've been doing. This February, this past February, we entered a car in the Daytona 500, which is the biggest race of the year for NASCAR. And I was, I had a, I had a lot of fun because I was way more plugged in, way more vocal. I was on the radio during the races talking to the driver and I worked on the car a little bit in the garage. And like it was just, I was able to be more, I was able to be more hands on.

And I don't necessarily coach the drivers all that much. It's hard. I was talking to one of my drivers this morning about a race coming up this weekend. and I'm sitting there and I'm like trying to explain some things that are unique about this particular racetrack and you're just wondering, you know, like how much of it they're picking up because they're young and I remember being young and damn, you could tell me all kinds of awesome freaking information, but I might not be like processing it and taking it in. I just got to go out there and experience it, right, and see the wrong and the right and adjust and fix and, you know, just learn by doing. But so I try to coach, but a lot of times, man, they just look at you.

with this bewilderment and they're like young and like, yeah, I know what you mean. And you're like, I'm not sure. You know what I mean. You know, and we'll see. But, you know, my dad, you know, tried to help me a little bit with some advice and driving. And it was really good. And so, I mean, I try to, I try to talk to my driver sometimes. But a lot of times I just got to go out there and see it and do it.

So every time where a driver comes in and you got to get hard on them? Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, there were some, there's definitely times when they're, they're just not, you know, they're making, they're doing things that are detrimental to their success. They're getting frustrated and, and arguing or fighting with other drivers or doing things on the racetrack with the car physically with other drivers that this, you're hurting yourself, you know, and you're, you need to have your focus on trying to win this race today. And I know you pissed at this guy and you want to get his ass back, you know, but, but that, that, that, you can do that, but it's going to keep you from trying to try to. to win the race. Yeah. And so there's some times when they, or, you know, maybe they're not putting in the, the week

to week work, the work, studying, prepping, taking, you know, physical care of themselves or things like that. Sometimes you might get on a driver about his focus, like week to week focus. Because they got a, it's competitive, man. Everybody that matters toward this guy's career, everybody that matters towards this guy's career, everybody that matters toward a young driver's career is paying attention to the things he's doing and it's the details.

And is he studying? Is he working out? Is he got himself in great shape? Is he all fucking around drinking beer with his boys all night long during the week? Do we know where he is, right? On a Monday night, on a Tuesday night. You know, and so the people that matter are paying attention

and that's what I try to tell him. You know, if you're, everybody's watching, right? everything you do. So do the right shit. Yeah. In your mind, what does a weak routine look like that? You're like, okay, that's a good routine half. Well, you race on Sunday.

Yeah, they race on Sunday. They race Saturday or Sunday, but they're going to be in the sim, which is basically, we don't have practice. We don't have a lot of practice where you actually go to the racetrack and take the car out and run it around. So we have simulators, big giant multimillion dollar simulators that you climb into and you drive in a virtual world. and the manufacturer Chevrolet, Toyota, Ford,

they've spent millions of dollars on these simulators and getting a couple hours in one is very valuable and any time you get an opportunity to do that, you do it. And you've got to volunteer to be in that simulator, right, to be able to work on your craft. You can work on the setup of the car, new ideas, run and practice different lines and stuff like that in the simulator and it transfers over into the real world.

So on Monday morning, I think you either need to be working out, out there's a group of drivers that work out together. All of the Chevrolet guys work out together. They have a Chevrolet program where there's this coach that his name is Josh Wise. And he coaches all of the Chevy drivers on, they do reaction time games and shit where the light on the wall. And they're doing those are awesome. Right. They're doing all of that shit.

And they'll go jump in the lake and swim across the channel and do ridiculous things. And he never tells them what they're going to do. You just show up. And you might go ride a 20 mile, 40 mile bike ride. just be ready and so that's mondays that's every morning monday morning Tuesday morning wednesday morning um and when you're not working out or doing those things with josh they need to be in the simulator they need to be meeting with their crew they got to meet with the crew chief go over last week's race what went right what went wrong what do we learn go over the next you're

watching film yeah then they'll watch film of last year's race they'll watch the whole race they'll say okay here's here's here's eight guys that tried eight different strategies strategies. And this one worked really well. We may do that. So, you know, get the driver's mind kind of prepared on what kind of strategies might pop up during the race so he knows what you're asking him to do when you're telling him to come down pit road and get tires and fuel.

And so that's several hours on a Tuesday or Wednesday. There's tons of meetings. And, yeah, I mean, that's those are the most important things. And drivers need to be there in person. I know they can zoom in and they can, they can come. kind of half ass it a little bit. And I know there's places they got to be too for sponsors. There's requirements for them to be out and doing things.

Y'all know what I'm talking about there. But being present and being in person and filling out, we give them note, you know, the teams give them a note, a big sheet or one sheeter to fill out after the race. Like fill that shit out. Be precise. Be descriptive. We're going to lean on that note next time we go back to this racetrack in six months. So give us everything you can give us, right?

And so those guys, sometimes I remember being half-ass about some of that shit, like filling the notes out, going, I was annoyed. The car didn't fucking turn. That's what I wrote down, right? Yeah. And I need to tell them, like, why didn't it turn? What did it feel like? What did I think the problem was with the car specifically, the details of the car's mechanics and try to give them some route to a way to solve that problem, right? Instead of just being frustrated and mad about it.

Now, do you get, do you kind of come unglued or get the parent voice going on with some? Some of these guys are like, you have a very calm demeanor. No, I don't, no, I don't get too mad. I want to. So sometimes, I mean, that's the perfect, Dale explanation ever. Like, stays calm in every situation. However, there's been a couple times now. There's been a couple times now.

And you know, he's thinking about one guy right now. There's a couple, there's a couple times. Well, no, there's a couple times when things didn't go well in the race. and I mean, you know, you could go into the room when they're meeting the teams and the drivers and the crew chiefs. You could go in that room and you could slam your hand, you know, fist down on the table and, you know, what the hell are y'all doing? Why did y'all do it that way? Don't let everybody let that happen again. They don't, people don't absorb that, right?

They don't go and fix it. They go, damn, we got our ass to today, you know. or damn Dale was mad and and and they don't they you got a you got to go in there and and say hey why did why did you know why did that go that way why did what are we what are we going to do about that what how are we going to fix it next time or I know we all got a plan right then y'all got a plan right to fix that do you ever listen to the driver you're going to play right yeah are you ever listening to the driver knowing that you've had your experience on the road and you're listening to a driver and you understand the team like what they're doing for the car and everything else to

where a driver comes out and they might be complaining about the car. They're saying something in a way to where it's like, hey, bro, you're full of shit right now. Usually to figure it out, you know, X, Y, and Z when you're out there on the road. You're trying to blame too many other things. I think the one thing that happens, and I know this because I did this, is a lot of times the driver has one line of communication, and that's the crew and the team and the crew chief, right? And so when you're mad as a driver, you have only one line of communication,

like anything you say, right? This car's a piece of shit. I'm fucking doing all I can out here. I'm busting my ass, y'all. This thing drives like shit. All of that information is going directly to the people that actually put that car together that actually are there to help you

and the ones that will fix it if it gets fixed, right? And so a driver gets, we get confused because we're in that car, we're hot, we feel like we're on an island. I used to say, I felt like a castaway out there. Like, I'm all by myself, man, y'all don't have an idea what's going on. I'm all out there by myself fighting this damn

thing. Y'all don't know what it's like. And I'm like, this car's a piece of shit, biggest piece of shit ever drove. That is the worst thing to say. These guys are the ones that built it. They brought it to the track. It's their car. You know, you can't call a car a piece of shit to the people that brought the car and fixed it and readied it for you. And so, and you

You can't You can't sit there and rant and cuss About I'm busting my ass You know They know Already that you're busting your ass They're watching it You don't have to tell them

You don't have to come You know and I did this I did this like I can And so I'll hear a driver Today They get they get They need you to know Like they're giving it all they got man

They're suffering They're hammered confidence, you know, and they're getting insecure. The car's not good. They're hemorrhaging all of these things. And they need you to know. They're fighting and they're hard work. They're trying.

They're trying to make this car that you built work. And they, but we have a terrible delivery. And we end up really saying things that are detrimental to that relationship between a driver crew and crew chief. And so sometimes I will have to say, or I remember something I did and I'll hear another driver say it and I'll go, hey, you've got to remember these guys are here to help they're the ones that are going to fix it they're the ones that you've got to you've got to talk to them in a way that they want to fix your problem and if you piss them off or you talk to them in a negative way and not you know not a supportive way you come down pit road they're going to be like fuck that guy you know and so when you're you're coming to get help and service and get your car adjusted they're going to be like screw this kid you know he's just a punk yeah and so you know i've learned that that the hard way a few times. And I thought, you know, oh, I know these guys well enough to tell

them their car is a piece of shit. But it's never a good idea. Right. Because they- Who was somebody that pulled you aside to be like, hey, man. Yeah, how'd you learn that lesson? It was your old man? Tony Jr. My cousin Tony Jr., my uncle, Tony Sr., I worked for them on the Bud car back in the 2000s. And they told me, they said, hey, you called the car a piece of shit. Don't do that. All the guys that build that car and work on that car are listening to you. not only the guys that are in the pits and we're at the racetrack that day, also all the guys that are sitting at home. The guy that painted that car is sitting at his house on the couch watching you run,

hoping you win, and it's going to paint your car next week. He's the one that heard you call that car a piece of shit. All the mechanics that are not travelers that are sitting at home with their family, you know, all of that information, they might not hear it in the moment through the airwaves or through TV, but they're going to get that information. They're going to know you said. Word travels quick.

Yeah. And so, you know, you just don't want. want to get this reputation within your own team of somebody who just kind of comes unhinged in the toughest moments and that and is and is and is combative or abrasive right in those moments but it's hard man you're out you feel like you're out there by yourself and you feel like that nobody knows how hard this is but you and you feel like you're you are feeling a sense that you're letting your team down but your reaction and your words are guys i'm doing every fucking thing I can with this thing. It won't do anything right.

And what they hear is the car sucks. I'm fucking, I'm not the problem. And you're thinking too, the audience is watching the race or seeing me not perform as well. It's just me that it's just going to be. They're blaming. They're not seeing that. They're not seeing that. Because the casual fans not thinking about everything that goes in the week before.

They're thinking about this driver, that car. The car's got to be perfect. This is the top of the line. Yeah. This week. Dan was really down this year. How is we're not getting it done, is it? There's what they call, you in YouTube.

this. But there's what they call radioactive. And that there's, every driver has multiple YouTube clips of themselves that fans have put together of all of their worst moments.

Beautiful. There's some good radioactive like, hey, this one's funny. This is eight minutes of Dale Jr. being funny on the radio during a race. And then there's like, you know, here's five minutes of him being a complete asshole to his team, you know.

Yeah. And there's, you know, or drivers just completely coming on hand. Just screaming. hearse words into the middle distance over the air. You know, you got to mash that button because if nobody hears it, it don't, you don't get the relief. Yeah.

So there's a no talk button you have in the car? You got a button that you mash to talk to the team. Okay. And like you could be in there madder in hell and you could scream. It don't feel good. You got to mash that button so somebody hears you. This sucks, you know, and that's the worst thing. So when you smash that button, that's the same thing that the fans can make you by the

headphones, right? They hear too. Yeah. So people are you, if you're talking shit, so all these. YouTube videos. And you consciously went and be like, someone needs to hear this right now. Yeah.

I gotta get this off. I gotta get this out of a business. It doesn't feel good just saying in the abyss. I need someone to have, I need to hurt somebody's feelings today over this situation. And then the TV sometimes takes it and puts it on the actual broadcast, you know, and then now it's there, it's common knowledge. And then you got to,

you get up, you get it Monday morning, you're like, damn, I shouldn't have said all that. That day, the next day, after you had made a couple of actions you wish you didn't. I said, there's... I'm sorry, Steve.

I haven't listened to a damn word you said the last last one. There was one clip on there where I, I'm driving around. And I had had a couple of loose wheels and the wheel fell off. A wheel, I didn't get the wheel tight and the wheel come off the car and wrecked hardest shit at Atlanta. And we're at another track and I got a loose wheel. And I was so mad. I was like, y'all, like the... loose wheel, the wheel comes off at full speed.

You just fly into the wall and it's nasty. It's a hard wreck. And I come over the radio and I was like, if this fucking wheel comes off, I'm hitting every one of y'all in the hand with a hammer. I was like, I don't know how to make y'all understand. Like, this is not fun for me to be

out here wondering if this wheel's going to come off or not and I'm going to fly into the fence out of control. Is that an like an inexcusable mistake though? It just, it's just keeping a It happens. It happens rarely, but I was like, y'all got a damn stuff. You can't leave my wheels loose.

You can't. Yeah. And that was my only way to like, I thought that was a great analogy. Like, I'll hit y'all with a hammer. And I see that clip. I'll see that clip on YouTube and I'm like, God, that's stupid. Why don't I say that? That was so rude.

It's a crazy shot. It's a crazy shot to say, I'm going to hit your hands with a hammer. Yeah. I bet the guys are the pets going to the line. I mean, imagine the guys standing there, even though I'm not. know that they're my guys right we're a team and I know they're probably standing there going well fucking

asshole right yeah he's gonna hit me with a hammer right is there is there like uh with the wheel being loose is there like in football there's like basic one-on-one shit that the coach will get up and be like LeWan like this is basic one-on football you can't be doing this

is there something like in the pit crew standpoint they're like you this is something so basic that you should not be messing up that they deserve an ass chew for that got to fill it with gas What are we doing? I don't know. I mean, there's everything and everything that I can think of is like, it's a human error. It's a, it's a possibility at any moment.

Very forgiving individual. Yeah. I mean, some guys are like zero tolerance. But, I mean, I've lived it long enough to know that there's, to have zero tolerance as an expectation is not realistic. Yeah. When you were, uh, there's his, uh, yeah, that's the line. If the wheel comes off and I hit the fence real hard, I get to whack every damn one of you with a hammer. yeah that is hilarious yeah is there is there a specific individual that comes in mind from like your generation

of racing that like was as a just a known hothead with his pick crew um well i mean i there there's some guys that were pretty um kurt bush has some good radio actors on youtube um Kyle Harvick was pretty um pretty vocal about his team like he demanded he was He was one of the guys that would publicly say, hey, our pit crew has to improve, you know. And he would talk on the radio that would end up on the broadcast

about his team needing to be better on pit road. I wanted to say all those things. You know, I have felt those things and wanted to say all the things that they said. But I didn't want it to get into the broadcast. Yeah. I didn't want it to be fodder for the media. Yeah, that layer.

Right. And so there was time. I'm slipping your finger off the button. It was times I slipped up, but for the most part, I don't have too much radioactive bullshit out there. That's funny, dude. Yeah. If you could change any rule in NASCAR, what would it be? Shit.

Just any rule. I mean, I wish we could figure out a new package for the Daytona Taledega racetracks. I would probably work on the rules that affect how the cars race at those two places, Daytona, Tadaladega. So we go to the Daytona 500 and the cars, you know, the way the race is sort of, the way you watch the races, you guys might not pick up on it, but some of the details of how the cars race and why they do some of the things they do are kind of, it's not as great as it used to be or it could be better than what it is today. And I think it's, and I don't know the answer, the specific, like, technical thing that

needs to change, but I would love to be in the process of how we can make the cars do different than they do there, how they race together. But I'll be honest, man. Racing right now, the race, I'm, no bullshit. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm a critic of the sport. I hold them accountable when I believe I know what's right. Yeah. But things are really good right now.

Things are really, really good. I do not think that's the direction you were going to go. I got to be real. I got to be honest. I got to be honest. I was, we ran Daytona and I was, there, right? We had a car in the race. I was really frustrated with the way the car is raced

and the way the product on track product. I was frustrated with it. A casual fan would have watched the race and not seen the things that I saw that bothered me. So there's that, but I saw things that I'm like, I wish they would fix this shit. Everything from that moment on,

all the races that we've ran have been fantastic, spectacular. And we had this sort of very informal poll that goes up on Twitter after every race by a guy named Jeff Gluck, who's a journalist in our sport, very respected. It's the good race poll. And it's a yes or no.

Was it a good race? And there'll be thousands and thousands of people that vote on this poll every week. And it's very informal, just for fun. But we've been doing this poll for years. And so like a really, really good day is a high 80. That's like a really great. That's like everybody's fucking happy with that, right? Everybody like this.

And so our races have all. all been trending in the really, really good high 80s and 90s. And, you know, there's rarely a race where people are just like, eh, if that sucked, you know, 50% 50, yes, no. And I know that's very rudimentary, but I, you know, hey, it's a, it's a small glimpse into the public opinion of something. I know it's, you know, on X, it's not the entire world on X, but it's a, it's an idea of a good sample size.

Yes. You might think, and, man, these are the few things that I would change. I wonder if other people are catching it too. You go and just be like, hey, was this a good race? You see like 85% love it. You got like, hey, fuck, you loved it. That's, I know. So the racing's, the racing has been highly complimented.

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podcasts it's back in the tube kind of thing so sometimes i have to kind of check myself with my my nostalgia and my my hanging on to the history of the sports so tightly and go look you know it's it's more modern it's different than i remember it but people today the fans that are tuning in love it yeah they love it and so i'm i'm bullish on a sport and think it's heading in a really good direction. I feel like more men, more men than not are guilty of that, though,

like finding the nostalgic piece of it used to be great then. You can go in any genre, any category of anything. And someone's going to have an opinion about back then it was better because of X, Y, and Z. You brought a couple times. Targeting. Bring it back.

Bring it back. The old kickoff rule. Yeah. That needs to be changed immediately. You know? Yeah. But anyway. You talk about you,

for the first time, your team had a car in the Daytona 500. I thought that first off, because there was a round of applause. That is massive. And we kind of did just brush over that, dude. That is huge. So congrats on that.

Thank you. What is the process of being like, okay, we feel good enough to put a car in the biggest race of the year and all in that's car. So Traveler Whiskey was a brand that came to us. Yeah. And so I got a shout out,

travel whiskey. Shout out high rock vodka. I take it easy down. Shout out neutral. answers. Yeah. So I, they came to us and they were like, hey, they came to another program at Hendrick Motorsports. And they were like, hey, we kind of want to do the Daytona 500.

Hendricks like, hey, we don't have any room. We're full inventory. And so, but my buddy Rick Hendrick, he's like, I know my friend Dale Jr. wants to enter the Daytona 500. It's a dream of mine to enter a car as an owner in that race once, just to go. I wanted to go to the track and do all of the things. as an owner and push a car out on the grid and go, there's my car and there it goes, into the race. And so they hooked us up with Traveler,

and we took Traveler to Daytona. And it was really emotional. We weren't locked in, so there's cars that have franchises or charters, and they are locked into the race. They know going down there, hauling their car to the track that they're in. There's a handful of cars in this instance,

this year, there were eight or nine of us that weren't guaranteed a spot. We were going to have to earn it by either qualifying really well or running well in what's called the duel, which is on the duel is two races. And if we do well in the duel, we lock ourselves into the race. So in the duel, we're running. We didn't qualify well, so we couldn't lock ourselves in that way. So now we got the duel to run. And we're trying to, okay, we're going to go out here and we've got to beat a couple of guys.

What's your stress level? Very high. After the qualifier doesn't go well. Oh, this is our last shot. I was embarrassed. So we, in qualifying, all of the industry is on pit road. All the engineers, crew chiefs, everyone that matters and everyone that knows anything about the sport is standing on pit road.

All the cars are lined up going out qualifying one at a time. And you're with your car. And there you're pushing your car as it's getting closer and closer to the front of the line. And right, you know, you get down to the end and you push your car off. It cranks the motor pulls away and he's going to go run his lap. And you stand there and you watch him run his lap. and you stand there and you watch him run his lap. And there's a couple of big giant jumbo-trons,

and you're watching a little bit on the jumbo-tron. And he comes by and you look at the lap and you're like, that ain't fast enough. And now you've got to walk through that entire group of people that all know that you didn't make the race yet, right? And it's embarrassing. You know, you got the equipment that you think is good enough and something y'all didn't do right

didn't help the car run the lap time. And so it's a bit tough kind of walking back. through that whole mob of people toward your garage like we failed and so yeah like we we we weren't good enough yeah yeah like everybody looks at us like and it's it's just great driver yeah it's kind of yeah it's kind of yeah it knows man it might be similar to going into the tunnel at a opposing stadium after a loss right with the fans going oh get out of your assholes you know yeah philly or just like say you're a middle school or high school or you're going to see if you made the team or not and all your boys are standing there and you're like you know is my name on there it's like

you should check it out maybe I didn't see it yeah yeah you turn I am what a feeling yes kind of similar yeah you've had that happen no no okay I was gonna say it sounded like empath you just did a movie scene to me I was like that's crazy if it's happened but you know how like before you even go up to look it's like man what if I don't make it like I'm gonna feel so stupid you just kind of have an idea of probably what it feels like yeah it just seems okay if you weren't good at sports like what would it be like if I said sucked at sports. That's probably a bad feeling. So we ended up

qualifying in the duel. We ended up racing our way in the duel. So basically how's the dual work? We're in one of the duels. There's two. They split the field in half. So we're in a duel. There's about 20 some cars in that race. We only have to beat like two guys. There's two guys that we just got to finish

ahead of. And we're in the race and they're out. And so coming, this duel is like 50 laps. And we're coming to two laps to go, and we're not in. We're behind those guys. And the field's a big blob all tight together within one second. They're just all together, run around the racetrack, two and three wide. And I'm like, Justin's our driver.

I'm like, damn it, Justin, you got to figure this out. I don't even know what he's going to do. I don't know what he could do. You've seen this to yourself? Yeah, thinking in my mind. Are you saying this to him? No. I thought you hit the button.

No. Yeah. But he just figured, he just figured it. out like in the last lap he just just figured it out got the run and and and and and when we crossed the finish line we're ahead of the guys that we needed to beat and so that was when it was like almost you know any that was the moment where if you talked you were going to have a hard time not crying you ever been in those moments like yeah I'm not going to cry as long as I don't have to talk yeah you know once I start talking about this it's going to get hard not

to cry right and so I get we're doing some media and I'm like I know I got about 10 words before my voice is going to crack. So I was trying to say something like, we're in the race, yes. And before I started losing it. Yeah. But it's just that emotional. And I've lived this sport my whole life. This was a dream of mine.

And we had finally, this is like on a Friday, I believe. And so that night we're like, we get the race on Sunday. We don't have to go home. It was either, you know, the way that race turned out was like, we're loading our shit up and we're going home. Or we're going to race on Sunday. And so it was a big relief The next couple of days, man We're in there looking at our car sitting in the garage

And we're massaging on it and fixing it and tweaking it And messing with I'm on my hands on I'm working and piddling with the car And we're just went all proud and getting it right And then yeah we push it out there for the race on Sunday Went through the whole pre-race ceremony And just the pride of being out there And then getting on the pit box

and watching your car pull off pit road and you're like we're doing it. Yeah. Moments here. Was that a win right there? Yeah. Like, did you care in that place? No. It didn't matter.

No. I don't matter. Sounds like you didn't win. Nice. Yeah. I told my. It's like, no, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. I told. If you're wondering. We did get knocked. Yeah. I told my driver, Justin. I said, I said, hey, you know, this is the way I am with Justin. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't, let's not worry about, let's not

worry about like, hey, top 10, top 15, that'll be a great day. Let's not even have that conversation. I was like, let's cross the finish line when the checker's waving. I don't care where we're at. I want to, I just want to sit here and watch the race and my car be out there, and we won't have a, we won't have like a high hopes or a, oh, darn, you know, we'll just say, hey, man, if we cross the finish line, when the checkered flag waves, if our car has finished the race and we ran all the laps, we're blessed.

And so it's coming down to the last couple of, we're making it through all the problems. We had a couple of dustups and gotten a few scrapes, but our car, we're patching it up. It's still pretty good. And it comes down to the last lap, and there's a big wreck on the back straightaway. And he missed the big wreck,

and we're standing there like, all right, where, he's coming around. Like, where are we going to be? And he crossed the finish line, and you look at the score monitor, and his name goes, bloop, ninth place. And you're like, shit, top 10, that's awesome, you know? Yeah.

Not only did we come here and like get in the race, but we ran ninth out of all, out of the 50 that tried to run it that came here. We're ninth. Like we're a brand new one race team. We're like one race old. We're like, we're like brand new. Yeah. Every time your team has been in the Daytona 500, you guys have been top 10.

Yeah. Like how many of the programs can say that? What do you think when, when Dale's given the little speech of Justin, you think Justin's probably like, just is probably trying to piss himself. Sounds like he's full. Justin's an older driver like myself. But me and him both get nervous, easy. And so I can tell, like, I need to talk this guy down a little bit.

He's nervous as shit. He was so nervous. And he told me. And he told me, he's like, dude, I was terrified in this moment. In this moment, I ain't never been that nervous in my life. And we've raced for championships. We won championships in the Xfinity Series last year. And we've raced together for over a decade.

He drove for our team at Junior Motors Sports for a while. long time won a lot of races. And he's, I'm like, he's like, dude, I was so nervous, so much pressure, so much responsibility, being the driver of your car for the Daytona 500 for the first time. He was like, it was awful. And so I knew that, like in that moment, I was like, hey, no, let's not even worry about where we're going to run. Let's not even set a goal or an expectation and worry about being pleased or upset.

Let's just say, hey, cross the finish line, checkered flag. Let's feel good about that. And that's it. I don't want anything else. I wanted him to know, like, I don't want anything else. You go out there, you have your own expectations. That's you. But you don't worry about me.

Don't feel like everybody here in the pits is going, hey, fucker. All right, come on, Justin. When are you going to pull the trick? Let go. You know? Hey, that's a hell of a speech. That's a great speech.

I just wanted to let him off the hook. That's a fire speech. Yeah. Now, Justin, he's been racing for you for so long. Has he ever race in the Daytona 500? Before a long time ago. Long time ago. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, that's got to be. What a feeling, man. And for him, I mean, I bet receive, I pictured that speech as him, he's already in the car in my head. Not yet, but close. No, I'm just telling you where my head's out. Moments ago.

It's like, they're about to start the race. And before he tails off, you're giving him this like, it was literally right before he climbed in. And I was like, just don't worry. You just go out there and do you, man. I have zero expectation, but I do want you to finish. So like, don't get wrecked. Don't get wrecked early.

Don't wreck out. Right. And there was that one last little part of the race where there's a big, big crash and he weaved through. Really? Yeah. Other than that, it was pretty smooth. Man, it's a couple of dustups. A couple dusts.

A couple of cups. A couple of cups. A couple of cups. You mentioned dustups a couple times. I kind of want to pry a little bit more. No, there was just some wrecks that happened where he had to kind of knife through and maybe you got dinged up a little bit on the corner of the car got beat up a little bit. But it was still in relatively good shape when we finished. The top 10 maybe.

That's awesome, man. We'll take it. That is cool. That paid good. I bet. Yes. Like that matters Now is this whiskey company

Stick it on? Well, we only had plans To run that one race That was it Have they called sense? They're excited and happy With everything that happened We'll see what happens

Gosh It's a dicey thing So there's some We had a little damage to fix But we did We fixed it It's a little bit of a dicey thing Because me and my wife

Started the high rock vodka Right And that's our We have equity in it And Traveler came on To Travers like Hey We want to help you

realize this dream. So I had to call my friends at high rock vodka and say, hey, y'all mind if I do this thing with this whiskey? And they're like, well, it's not really a vodka. So it's not competing directly. And they're like, we don't want to get in your way. We don't want to get in the way of you realizing this dream. This is really how this is only going to happen.

Because the traveler came in with the check that it was going to take a lot of money to go to Daytona. And so my high rock folks were good to let me do that. We can bleep it if you want. how much does it cost you get into the Daytona 500? To race in the Daytona 500, you're going to need three quarters of a million dollars. Okay. All right.

Three quarters of a million dollars. All right. Minimum. You got that math? Yep. We want to say that loud. Yeah. Yeah, we can just leave it.

You know, bygones be bygones. Yeah. No doubt. Having the Earnhardt last name, you're obviously involved with a lot of different things. off the track, on the track, everything in between. What is the first thing you kind of dove into to where it felt like, this is mine outside of having, because you carry the legacy of your old man,

and you have the Earnhardt name, your Dale Earnhardt, Jr., the son? What was the first time you realized and felt like a sense of pride? All right, this is a thing that I see is like something I've done? Probably Junior Rottersports, the race team that we have. We've ran in the Xfinity series, which is, again, that's kind of the college level. We've ran there for,

um, seems like 18 years, a long time. We've won 90 races, five championships. Um, me and my sister run that together. And she's hands on.

My sister is, uh, she is a, she's tough, really, really tough business woman, savvy. Um,

and, and so like in negotiations, she never loses. that's her. And so she's tough. She knows what the value. That's badass. She knows the value of everything

and understands what's realistic and just sharp. And so I'm very fortunate that I got her as a teammate. And so we have ran Junior Motorsports together. Our dream or our idea, the idea was that me and her would be involved in DEI, which was my dad's race team, Deller Heart Incorporated.

Our thought was that that would be what we would do all of our lives, right? And so a lot of things happened. Dad passed away and we ended up leaving the team over the course of six or seven years. And so that didn't happen. And we started this other team and started it with one race car, four, three or four employees, very modest. And we've grown it into a really successful deal. We love being at that level where we graduate people up into the top series, right? So drivers come through our program. crew chiefs, mechanics, engineers, even people in our office, marketing, licensing. They all come and work at our business, get educated, get a great experience, get a reputation.

And then they get a call from a cup team. It sucks to lose great people, but it's also like a big reward. Like we're doing it right. We're doing something right where people are wanting to hire our good people. And so when a driver gets a phone call, they'll call me. I remember one guy called me. And he's like, I got some tough news. He's like, one of the cup teams called me.

and I got to do it. I was like, that's not tough news. That's what we, that's like winning, a race. That's, that's a victory for you, for me. That's why we did this. I did this so that you would get this chance, not that you were going to be a career or Xfinity race racer for me, right? Hopefully, if everything works out,

most of our drivers are only there for a year or two, and they move on to the cup level and race on Sunday. And so that's a fun thing to do. I can look in the cup field today. The field that runs on Sunday, I can look in that field and there's at least a third of the field that raced for me on Saturday

at some point in their career. There's mechanics, crew chiefs, tons of people in the industry that have came through our race team to get to the top level. That's badass, man. That's fun. So I'm proud of that. That's mine. So do you ever want to

get your race team into the Cup Series? I do. And so to race full time in the Cup Series, you need a charter, which is basically a franchise. Think about it as like a franchise. There are only three dozen of those. NASCAR, there's a rule between,

there's an agreement between the teams and NASCAR that there is only a certain amount of charter. So to acquire one, you've got to buy one from somebody, and they're selling for anywhere from $25 million to $40 million bucks. And so you've got to buy the charter. And then you've got to buy the cars. They're $350,000 apiece. You've got to have an engine program.

You've got to, you know, you've got to upscale employees. So to race full time in the Cup series, you might be able to do it on $20 million a year. So it's $100 million to probably get started, right? To buy a charter or two and then have the funding annually to run at that level. You've got to have a massive commitment from corporate America somewhere to be able to fund the team annually and long term. And so our, yeah, to go from where we are now and our business.

model was a massive jump and a huge commitment. Scary. Sounds like, yeah. I mean, $100 million to get started is wild. Yeah. You've been close. Is anybody like, we've had some really fun.

People come out of the woodwork. We've had some really cool conversations with some mess. We've had a conversation with a met with a, with a, with one of the largest or most popular sports franchises in the, in the, in the country. So, I mean, there's interest out. So the interest that I believe, a team like mine. or a person like me to be able to get into there, it's going to have to be,

it's going to have to be like an investment firm or a current, like a current entity that's owning sports teams, right? And so, yeah. I think you have a couple. Yeah. I can see a couple of miles right now. Yeah. And so there's been, there's interest. And the, the investment firm thing, is kind of new, but it's gaining some popularity.

There's been a lot of these sort of groups that have started to invest in race teams. So like certain race teams have taken on investors and sold equity in the ownership of the program. So that's kind of promising for somebody like me that's like, hey, I've got the, I know how to run a race team. Kelly and I know how to operate this thing

and be successful. We know how to do it and not lose money. And we need to be successful. We have a lot of equity in our name and our reputation. And so I feel like we're very appealing for anybody that's like, hey, I'm brand new to this. I don't know anything about racing, but I think owning a charter is going to be very valuable. So the charters have doubled in value annually.

So like if you bought a charter six years ago, you might spend six to $12 million. Now they're worth $40 million, $35, $30 million. I believe charters in 10 years will sell for, 80 to 100 million dollars apiece. So I mean, I think if I was a person that had that kind of money to throw around, buying a charter or investing just in a charter, getting some equity in a charter would be easy. An easy yes, right?

Because that is not going to lose value. Think about Dan Snyder bought the Washington commanders in whatever year, 89 or whatever, for $600, 800 million and sold it for $6 billion. and so NASCAR charters are similar as they are a franchise, a sports franchise, and now they won't ever get into the billions or maybe not even into the, you know, $500 to $700 million range, but they will increase in value from $30 to $40 million now. I think realistically it's $150 million value. I would put that on, I would say I would confidently expect that to be the value of one in 10 years.

and so why wouldn't you if you had that kind of money invest in it now? Sounds like you need some bus with the boys backing. Yeah. You get a little. Bank of bus and's open. High interest rates. But the bank of bus is a small investor. Yeah.

This is our team. We're talking about some Sundays now. We're talking about some serious shit. That's awesome, man. Congratulations. Yeah. No. It ain't happened yet.

Yeah, it hasn't happened yet. Yeah, but that is really cool. Congratulations on it happening in the very near future. That'd be nice. No one just very surface level stuff. about those conversations. I know it seems like it's very hard to just even be in those rooms and have those conversations. Yeah, I mean, we've had some fun conversations with some people that were interested in,

but it's got to be perfect. You can't, I'm not a risk taker with my finances. Yeah. And so, like, when I had kids, I was like, all right, I got to be a little smarter. Like, I was going to bounce my last check. That was the way I was going to live, right? When I was a single dude just raising hell and doing my life, I was like, I don't want to I can leave the shit behind.

But then when I had kids, I was like, now I ain't mine no more. Yeah. This is all theirs, right? Now I'm spending their money. There'd be a massive curveball for them sitting there getting the will read out to them. Yeah. By the way. He didn't leave anything.

He just, man, gone. Also, your guys's facility is so badass. It is. Like going out there, there's people like, there's people out front waiting for you to just get done with work. Yeah, you bring up the equity of the name. And it's like, yeah. We were there on a Tuesday. Yeah.

And there's a bunch of people just right out there to catch a glimpse of you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think he's in there right now? And we just walked in, you would have thought we were royalty. I wonder like, oh shit, listen with the boys. You're going on Rodney's podcast. I'll say this.

I'll say, I'll admit this. Your podcast and your brand is incredible. And do people not know where you are physically right now? Do they not? If they knew where you were, they too. And if they knew when you recorded, if it was a consistent, like, hey, we record it every Tuesday. There would people be standing out there. Like one.

We appreciate that deal. I don't know. I mean, there have been some poppins. There's been a couple of people. There's been some poppins. Oh, it's not up there anymore. We had a Tannahill sign. Like somebody broke in,

or not one of our old places we were at, broke in and didn't steal anything but left a gift. That's nice. Yeah. And they were wrapped too, right? It was the best. Somebody too was like, he would go to work.

There's another cat. He'd be going to work and he'd notice that when the door slid up, he'd see the bus inside. He's like, so I know you guys have been here. And I was just waiting to get like an off day or something. and just go and just sit and wait. Ran called and just kind of guessed.

Ran when he was the GM for the time, he just sent somebody over here one day. Yeah. He just randomly. Oh, what's up? I'm like, oh, what's up? I was going. I was like,

oh, okay. No text or nothing. Just like showed up. But it is cool, though. It was kind of, it was cool to witness. Just people, I think that was during one of your guys's weekends, too.

Well, the race was in Charlotte. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that matters. Yeah, everybody comes into town. But they know we record on a specific day. Yeah.

They know that. Is that each time? you record? Every Tuesday. Yeah. You got people sitting out there waiting. Yeah. So I know you're just in there.

But even your studio is awesome. I love the setup, the back of all the views you to see. The portraits of drivers. But then there's the window with your dad's car sitting right out there and you can see all the guys working. Like it's a, it's an awesome setup. Yeah. Yeah. Super clean too.

Right? Really? Eat off the garage. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want in my garage right now.

It looks nothing like that. Yeah. Yeah. Mine neither. My house is a mess. But the race shop's got to be nice. You're in the game of collecting things. Has there ever been a car you sold that you regret selling?

Hell no. I regret buying cars. That's like crazy. Everything with wheels, as soon as you buy it, it depreciates like half as soon as you drive it off the lot. But I shouldn't say that being in the car business, but, oh, man, I bought a Calaway Corvette. That was kind of a thing back in the day, Callaway Corvettes. I bought one of those, and I never, I was so, it was the dumbest thing. I had it for a while

and finally sold it for like a fraction of what I paid for it but my buddy had a motorcycle and dropped his motorcycle on the nose of this Callaway Corvette and the foot peg went straight through the nose and luckily he owned the body shop fix it up for me but

just a bad experience but no I mean I had a a Biscayne that I maybe should have hung on to kind of a rare car that's my Callaway that the bike fell on

that's it oh that's it yes I was stupid to buy that I did not need it and it had this like it had this little weird noise in the rear one of the wheels a brake caliper something like a tick that wouldn't go away

that I wasn't smart enough to really fuck with but that green truck that green truck that green truck this is my dad daily driver, that green truck right there. And it's the 48, and I did a lot of, I did a lot of my own work on this truck. And so it has a modern Vortex engine in it.

It's nothing crazier special, but like I put them rails and wood rails on the back. But in the inside of this truck, I think it was kind of during COVID. I decided to gut the inside and redo it myself. And I put some pictures on the internet and stuff of me working on it. But I did a lot of woodwork inside and put new. inserts on the seats and my two-year-old grabbed a Sharpie and ruined the brand new inserts so I had to take the seat back out and redo it. But I did the console in the floorboard is I made it out of sheet metal from one of my bud cars. So it's like got bud wiser, like a half of the bud wiser logo

in the floorboard of the console. Dude, that's awesome. It's just really kind of a grunge truck, you know, what we call a grunge truck. But is that the best game? driver? Yeah, that's the Biscayne. Yeah, I kind of wish I'd have kept the Biscayne. There you go. It's kind of a cool car. That was like 20 years ago.

I sold that. But I don't know, man. I always was weird with my, I was, I was, I did some foolish stuff with money. I'm not going to lie, but I also was kind of oddly tight. And my, my buddies, my buddies that I race with back in the day always joked with me about being a tight ass. And so, like, I, if I, I got like 12 cars, right? I'm a guy.

I'm a car guy. So I'm going to have a little collection, right? And I'm okay. That's okay. But I got 12 cars. And if I see something that I liked, and I still do this today, like, if I see something, I got to be willing to sell one of my 12 and buy it. Like, I won't buy it and add to it.

I'll be like, do I want it bad enough that I'll sell one of these? And if I will, I'll sell one of these. All right, man. Cut one from the rocks. had fun. That was good. All right. You're out. A lot of car owners out there that I want to give you a try. Yeah. Yeah. There's, I got an umbrella and everything's got to fit under it.

And if it don't, you know, I'm not, I don't want to be, I don't know. I shouldn't, I'm probably overthinking it. But I was just, didn't want to be ridiculous and have like cars everywhere. Because it were, it, it bugs me to have a car that I don't drive. And that one time I get in it, it battery's dead, fucking. tire shake because they're square because it's been sitting too long or their brake shake or something it doesn't drive well right um i'm like i don't have i love this car but i'm not driving it it's not it's not doing itself any good i'm selling the something yeah i'm getting rid of it 12 what's been

your biggest impulsive buy impulsive where you've splurge too you're like that was it that was that was that was that was dumb oh man i mean the calaway corvette was stupid that was another one that was that was over hundred grand um that's dumb um that green truck that other green that's my square body i want to brag on that son bitch look at that thing yeah look at that damn plaid fucking insert on that see yeah that shit's badass i love that square body trucks you can't they're coming back they're coming back they're back they're back they're back are they oh hell you're going to send me the newspaper because i haven't seen that well if i take this bad boy out it it turns some heads Um, you know, Dale's just driving to see, watching everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. It's always a construction workers too on the side of the road. They just kind of do this and they give you the. I don't know that I have like a, I don't know that I have a bad regret on like a big, big time financial thing. But this is one thing my wife and I talk about is she'll be like, hey, um, our couch is destroyed.

Like we've, we've, you know, kids, dogs and all this, couches just fucked up. Time for a new couch. All right, let's get in. And she'll show me, hey, how about this one? And I'll be like, damn, that's, you know, a couple thousand bucks. And she's like, that's what couch has cost. And I'm like, that's a lot of money, man. I can't believe couches cost that much.

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massive shortage. And so I'm sitting there going, I'm looking at eBay and I'm like, God dang, they want $5,000 for that $5090 invidia card. My buddy knows a guy at the micro center. Maybe I can get one from the micro center.

Nine days. They're coming in nine days. They might get me one in nine days. I'm like, like, fainting on this like, yeah. Or new monitors, you know. I've got to get this new monitor, man. The refresh rate or the, you know, it's it's over, it's like 200 and whatever megahertz.

I got to get, that's better than what I got. And that's going to be like $1,000 of, I got triple screens on my racing rig, triple screens. So, you know, $1,000 of monitor. And I'll be like, Amy, Amy, I'm thinking about building a new computer. Going to get me a $59, new CPU, new motherboard, new case. And she's like, how much is that going to cost? I'm like, oh, $4,000, $4,000, $5,000?

And she's like, and you were to raise hell about this couch? But you'll just go buy it. I would literally just go buy this and not even tell her, right? But I want to know how much the cows cost. Yeah. So that's how I operate. That sounds like every guy ever. You're telling me the story.

I'm thinking of multiple conferences my wife and I have all the time about things where I'm like, dude. Charles brings up a couch. I'm just thinking, let me see what's wrong with this couch right here. I feel like such an asshole. And we might have talked about this on the show. But man, when I, when we were going, when we were booking, we did a planner for our honeymoon and we went to Hawaii and when that lady came in

you know the planner plans this trip right we're going to stay and we're going to be in Hawaii two weeks and we're going to be at this place this hotel and this hotel yeah when that lady came back with the quote uh I was like ain't no way I was like what room are we talking about here I got to see they got to be other rooms and I'm going to I go to Amy and I'm like why can't Why can't we do these rooms? These rooms are wayless. We even be in the room. We're just going to sleep in the room.

She's like, come on. This is your honeymoon once. You're doing this once. Literally preaching right now. It was awful. And I look back on it now. I'm like, it really didn't matter. But man, I was turning my guts looking at that price in those rooms.

And I'm like, I'm like, we don't need this. We can stay in this room. And it's nice. I don't know. That was tough. I always hit it with budget stuff, man. Like when we, I built my house, I like had a budget. And I was like, this is, I got to pee too.

But yeah. We have a budget. It's like, hey, this is going to be, this is how much money we're going to spend to build this house. So I would go to the people and be like, hey, when we're looking at fixtures, show me what's in the budget. Low end, high end, but it has to stay in the budget. And every meeting I would go to, whether it was like, I don't know, plaster on the walls or something like that. They would show me two things or three things. but then they have one in the corner over here

that wasn't on display but it was right there and either me or my wife probably more times it's not me would be like well what's that one what is that right there like oh you don't want to know about that that one's actually outside the budget yeah and then there's always this game that you play it's like okay well if we do that

then we can move a little something over here it's just how like the male mind compartmentalizes how to spend money yeah at the end of the day you're doing it the same way yeah but it's just fighting away we have to justify gotta justify yeah it is uh It's a pain in the ass.

I remember when, so we have a banquet for our championship at the end of the year. This is back when me and Amy were just gotten pretty serious. And I'm like, all right, man, we're getting ready to go to this banquet. I'm getting whip out my tucks. I'm wearing the same, if it'll fit, I'll wear the same damn tucks for 12 years. I don't give a shit. I don't need new tucks.

I'm wearing this thing once a year. And so, but she's like, I'm going to get a gown. And I'm like, all right, yeah. get you a gown. We're going to get a gown. I ain't never bought a gown. You know, I don't know gown prices. Yeah.

And she comes with this gown price. And I was like, what the hell? What the hell? I mean, it was crazy. I would have never even came close if I had to guess. And, man, I'm on the phone with my sister. I'm like, you believe this? And she's like, that's what gowns cost.

I'm like, for real? She's like, yes. I was like, all right. I was like, damn, man. Makes you feel better when you know what it costs. When you first see the price, like, what the hell are we doing here? And then she gets the gown. We go, she looks amazing.

And, I mean, again, like this was years ago, I feel, I know I was, I know I was foolish. But she looked amazing. And we get back and I'm like, it dawned on me. I was like, so she's like, I'm going to put this away. And I was like, you don't wear it again? She goes, no, never wear it again. I was like, you don't sell it? Because she would sell some stuff from time of time.

She had a little. I was like, you don't sell a gown? Can't sell it? She's like, hell no. I mean, selling this gown. I'm like, man, I don't understand this at all. Like you, you know, you spend all this money. You'll wear it once.

And then you're going to put it away and keep it. Wedding dress. Gounds. Gowns, ball gowns and stuff like that. I was blown away the first time I paid for a gown. It was another big giant wake up. It was like the couch story where I was. I called back up.

I was like, hey, I called my sister. I was like, this gown. She's like, yeah, that's reasonable. I was like, horseshit, there's no way. You brought the tux thing about having just like one, one tucks your whole life. And when I was playing, I was 316 pounds. Like we'd always, you know, every Sunday guys would want to get the fits going and stuff like that. So every couple of years I would go get a couple suits, but I would always go to my suit guys and be like, hey, when I obviously, like eventually I'm going to retire and lose weight.

Like, I'll be able to bring it all. in right i can still wear these and like oh yeah no problem and now i'm like 60 pounds less than i was before and i've brought these suits to people and they're like there's no way can't fix you can't so i've spent an absurd amount of money on clothes that just sit in my closet i look at them like i'm like i could never wear this again i had a bunch of my buddies that were still playing i was like hey come over to the house and i said like this part of the closet besides like this suit and that suit that the suit i got married in and then i have like a custom one that has like my daughter's names on it they're like bedazzled or whatever.

I was like, yeah, that suit too. I was like, you guys take whatever you want. And they just ransacked the whole thing. It was like Ruse and Raidens came over and did all that. But some of the money you spend just on dumb shit. Like I look back, I'm just like, what was I buying suits for? Like, who cares? Yeah.

For what a photo? When I got it. When I got it. It is what it's for too. That is exactly what it's for. Because you don't even, I don't know how you were, but I never even fully put the suit back on, like even on game day. No. Once you get the photo

Once you get the photo to get it on the plane You like loosen the tie You don't tuck it a little bit Once you get that grand photo Oh my God What you get that photo for the grand No one talks about suits Like you see like these people like you go on Pinterest

I want to get a nice little suits So you start looking like ideas And you see all these like suave gentlemen With like the suits perfectly laid out When I put that shit When I put that shit on It's like it looks good for 45 seconds And then it starts like wrinkling up at the top

Or I get a little sweaty So I'm moving it is never tucked in long enough it's just a pain in the ass my biggest problem with pants or suits is the calves like I can't my calves

are I don't know I have problems with the you guys the pantlete being too tight yeah brother we have opposite issues

and so when I so yeah little asses I got ragged yeah you guys

you look like them boys haven't seen the sun no why he stays in jean translucent oh shit Oh, shit.

Let me get the sunlight. Turn the lights down a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You got nice calves, though. Got a nice cab. Me, I've always had these prey legs, man. When they get...

Geographic, getting chased by lying legs. I get a new suit, get it dry clean. Now I can't wear it because it's got a hold of my cab, man. I can't so comfortable. That's another game, too, is push it down. Are you jeans all year round even in the summer? I mean, he answered a no question for us. I think he is.

I'm in pants all the time. But, I mean, as white as I am, you got to be careful on the cold. or short you wear because it can make the whiteness even wider. So you got to be like a very tan kind of an off white. But you know Dale when he takes that shirt off like his face and his, his face and like from the shoulder down he's got a tan. He's done out there even in things out in the summertime. I'm in as a broadcaster I got to wear I can't wear jeans.

So I wear a lot of Lulu. Lulu lemon. Yeah. Ooh, I've seen that they've had some stuff coming about how their material lowers your tea levels. The hell. T levels. Yeah, testosterone.

No shit. You know what you should look into is true classic. Hey Will, can I ask you a question? Ask me. Dude, what do you love about the true classic brand? What don't I love about the true classic brand? That's fair. The first thing that comes to mind is their t-shirts.

They fit snug, they fit right. And your boy, I got a little extra going around the, what do they call it? The muffin top? The spare tire. Yeah, the spare tire, right above the belt. True Classic, it grabs you perfectly in your chest, grabs you perfectly in your chest, grabs you perfectly in your arms to where it gives you a little leeway down by the low tire.

So it gives you a perception of, oh, this guy's body compass went down. That is what I love about True Classic. Their jeans also nice, snug, but you can also have a looser option. And they're very breathable. So you can bend, you could hit low ass to grass squats if you wanted to.

Absolutely. But those are the things that jump out when you ask me what I love True Classic. What would you say you love about True Classic? My favorite thing about you, I love what you say about the T-shirts, and I love how there's no branding on it.

I think a lot of times people get mixed up with the big bold letterings on things. If you want to keep it true and you want to keep it classic, the best thing to put on your body, no branding. Keep it simple. Keep it simple.

The kiss method. That's what I love about it, dude. I love these jeans. You talk about Astergrass, like, I wear these babies every single day. Yeah. I got mobility out to Yazoo. Yeah.

You can't mess around with these bad boys. And the shirt, you said it perfectly. Like, you take your shirt off. You look yourself in the middle and be like, okay, yeah, I could see where I've let myself go in a couple areas. You put the shirt on, then all of a sudden you're like, maybe I can have that cheeseburger. Maybe I can have those little sneaky treats in the pantry lately at a night when I've had a couple of extra vitamins.

Yes. Because this t-shirt makes everything just look a little bit better, dude. Yeah, it does. Simple. Look good, feel good. True classic. Back to this episode. All right.

True classic, they have a new material that just came out that is rivals. Lulu Lemon. Like, it's got that stretchy, but like still fits good kind of feel. Their stuff is elite. That's like the new that's like kind of been the saving grace is the jeans and all the shit that stretches. Yeah. So it kind of, because my body changes all year. Like I'll go up and down 10 pounds all year long.

Yeah. Up and down, up now, holidays and shit like that. Once November hits, man. And so. November's that's when, yeah. You got to buy the pants one exercise up. I need my shit to be able to work with me. Yeah.

Move a little bit. Yeah. He would be incredible with true classic stuff on. Yeah. I mean, that's his style and his flow. There's like no branding on it. It's very clean. I like a white, solid colors.

Like I don't like a tapered pant. Done. They got that? Oh, yeah. Kind of the little. I'll go for the loose. You do seem like a big time boot cut guy. Yeah, I'm boot cut.

Boot cut only. Yeah. I can't wait for the belt. Nice and long. Make you get that baggy cowboy look. Yeah. I mean, I ain't going to be no queer. Yeah.

You guys got your tight tapered pants. He looked at me, look me up and down the first time. I mean, what is this guy up to? It's like, oh, you got to check out these. such a good. What you're more than metroposexuals with them pants on? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You big boot guy, though. You like the boots? No boots. I just like wide. Fair enough. Relax. Yeah.

Just in case you fall off a skyscrip, you can parachute down. Something nice. I feel you. Gotta stay safe out here. Gotta stay safe. We need you. I don't like when you sit down and your pants come up and you see your ankles. Yes, same.

Like. No, that I'm with you, brother. I'm with you. Now, if you got some good calves, though, and you got some good ankles sometimes. You see my legs. I don't need nobody to see my ankles. You don't need none of that. You don't need anybody seeing them legs.

I know. What am I going to do? It's too late. I'm 50 years old. Like getting a tan or any kind of base. I'm past the point. Like when you go to Hawaii, are you wearing pants on the beach? No.

Yeah. They make a special swimsuit for him. And he's like, honey, come on. You know, Dale walked into his wife's house, like, a year ago with the pants that you can Unzipped. Sweetheart, look how nice these are. These are pretty crazy, right?

He probably wears pajama pants too. Probably. Just switch it out of the jeans, put on some nice pajama pants. You do strike me as a guy with the buttons too, like the button pajama shirt.

No. Only on Christmas. Yeah. He gotta do that. How elite is the matching family pajamas for Christmas. Really? That is nice.

Well, you've got a couple of sets of matching pajamas, but I don't know the brand, but. Yeah, so the matching pajamas for Christmas. Y'all don't,

what do you mean pajama pants? What's wrong with paj pants? So you wear them? Yes. There ain't nothing wrong with them. We know you do.

There's nothing wrong with them. Oh, I don't know, man. I didn't know there's a thing. You showed us the leg. It's like, okay, he doesn't show his legs. Because legit light bulbs. Like if I'm not, if I'm not leaving the house, I'm putting, I'm putting sweatpants on or pajama pants.

Yeah, big sweatpants guy, but I'm saying, when I sleep, it's either I'm just in my underwear or I got shorts on. Yeah, I'm an underwear guy. Yeah, through and through. Okay, I thought you, that's why I thought you slept in pajamas pants. I would, I would have guessed. You can't. Like you.

still I'm still not sold in the button thing. If you get in the bed, what are you pulling up on this computer? If you get in the bed with pajama pants on, they rise up to your knees. You're always pushing them down. I can't have that. No.

That is a fight, man. The pajama pants. Should we dive into the most important thing of this episode? Can I please, P? Go Pee. Oh, yeah. I might do it. Take a week.

You need take a leak? Go ahead. Pause. You wait. I'm going to show you all my shit. Yeah. It's awesome. Preparation.

That's where, What is it where preparation meets opportunity? Dale, I didn't bring this up to you, but I texted him on our flight to Vegas. I'm like, he's journaling. And then you post on Discord, you're doing your playbook. And I was like, what? Dude, that's awesome. I'm like, hey, we got to get a game in.

And you're like, oh, no, no, I don't play. I would. I would. I just wouldn't want to make it. I didn't want that to be the dominant thing about this meeting. Brother, I love. simulation. Like the fact that you're simulating the game, right?

No. We play it, man. You play? I play the games. Oh, so when you're winning, you're controlling the user? Yes, sir. I thought you were saying you don't play. No, I don't, I meant like, I didn't, I don't, like, I don't, so this is, this is, this is, this is how I do.

I will play in this franchise with them. I'll play them. Are we recording Mitch? Yeah. Okay. I don't get on there and go, I'm just going to jump in a random game. some Yahoo online. Yeah.

I don't do that. It's weird to me. It's weird. I will race on the internet against anybody across the country, you know, 20, 30 dudes. Yeah.

But I can't, it's weird to me to play like a one-on-one one. We're talking about college football 25. This is what you want to talk about this entire podcast. A little bit.

We, we were talking. So Dale and R. Jr. is the most recent national champion. college football coach in his league okay I was in all right so I don't know if everybody can see this but this is my gift from Charlotte you know 49ers UNCC I am in a 23 person league friends buddies people I know some people I don't and I started as a one

star with Charlotte and recruited them up to a four and a half star and beat Michigan who's a buddy of mine. He was my best man. He's the best man in my wedding, T.J. Majors. He's in a row. Natties in a row. And I beat him in the last national championship. And so unseated of Dynasty. It's a fun. Confirmed college football sicko. It's fun. And he's a better user. He's better on the stick. So he's he's, and there are other people in the league that are just a little better on a stick, right? Jukes. He's losing Michigan. to Charlotte.

Well, I recruited, worked hard. So I was going to bring you my, sits in my iPad, my own personal iPad, right? So. I literally halfway through this podcast, I was looking. I was like, why does he have an iPad with him? All right. Well, it's the only way I can really help you understand, like, the work that goes into this. So I have a spreadsheet on my dynasty, and this is my offense, all right?

And so, like, this is your depth chart? Yeah. Yes, depth chart. Red is some seniors, juniors, you know, it's color-coded for players. And these are all my red shirts. And these are scouting. These are guys I'm scouting. This is how many points I've got on them.

Where I am in the scouting first, first, you know, second in scouting. And so there's defense. All right. You know, this is a full. This is a manifesto. This is a Conor-Stallian manifesto. Yeah. That is my depth chart, right?

And that's how I- Because they have stuff on the game where you can see the depth chart. But you need it on a- I need to be able to take it everywhere. The deal is showing why he's been great his whole life. I need to take it everywhere I go because I'm always thinking about this. And I'm always like, oh, I got to move that guy. So the outside linebacker speed rusher is broken.

In the game, they can't improve. So if you've got a speed rusher, outside linebacker, you've got to move him for him to really realize his potential. So maybe there's something like that going on and you're like, I'm going to move into defensive end. So I got this with me all the time. This is probably the real money. This is all the success. So this is my playbook.

So these are all run plays. These are past plays, RPO's, screens, right? And so these numbers is the average yards per use. So if I've used the plays 100 times or 30 times or how many times I've used the play, this is average yards on that play. And so this is. is where the play is in the situation. So first down, these are all the first, these are all the run plays in first down. This play. So this is your call sheet. It's my call sheet. And so I will, and like, you know,

there's a, you know, I don't know, 40 run plays. All of these aren't in my playbook. I do a custom playbook. But this is how I customize it. I run all these plays. I play multiple games. And then I'll look at the average yardage that I get for all these plays. I will then rank them. and their ability to gain yards, and then I will customize my playbook. And to make sure that when I'm, you know, on a first and 10, I've got it suggesting to me. I use suggestions only,

which is kind of a no-no for most people. Most people don't think suggestions is a way to go. But I use suggestions, but I have my custom book tailored to suggest to me the exact play I need that's probably got the most, the play that's got the most probability to get the first down. And then on second and short, second, medium, second long, all the situations, right? Going for two, goal line pass, whatever.

It's going to give me at least five or ten of the best most highly successful plays for that moment. And every six or seven games, I go through and look at all my plays and make sure to update the average yardage per use. and because that moves it and that moves the play up and down the list, right? And maybe there's a new play that I, and the other thing I do, I got on my YouTube, I've got this long curated playlist of videos. I follow about three or four, five content creators around NCAA, and I watch all their videos, and I write down everything that they're learning and all the tricks, the cheese, whatever you want to call it.

And so there's all kinds of quirky, broken things about the game in recruiting and player progression and stuff like that. Do you follow Kurt Benkirk? Probably not. He's a quarterback for the Packers, but he breaks down college football 25. Really? I need to follow him. Yeah, I think you'd like that. I follow these guys that are making content daily and always finding something new and

unique and how to make the best coach build and whatever, right? And so I write all this stuff down and have all this information ready to go and make sure I'm doing everything I need to be doing to be successful. And so when I go play my buddy, TJ, who's probably going to beat me one-on-one if we just sat down and both took Alabama, I got to be ready with everything I can bring him, right, to beat him and Michigan. He'll come up to the line of scrimmage. Every damn player's got a star under it. He's recruiting better than anybody else with his pipeline.

So, I mean, he's got amazing players, and he's good. Your squad's got the. But I got, I'm doing the work. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing what an entire football staff is doing. It just has one individual. So that is hilarious.

And so you won the next championship. You don't play. I do play. He does play. He corrected that. I guess that's what he now means is I'm like, hey, if we got a game in. For him, it's like, no, we, there's no, I don't sit down and play the football

game and I pick my favorite team and we play against each other. I'm thinking that iPad goes like, he plays at his spot in his spot only because he's got everything dialed in. Right. I play this dynasty and nothing else. You don't do away games. I don't sit down and do a one-on-one with some random. Right.

Right. I'm not into that. You're going to make it to your league to even have an opportunity. I go and play my league games. That's what I play. And there's 23 of us in there. And some of us, I got two teams. I got Stanford too.

And so I just started using Stanford just to kind of kill the time between advances because sometimes our advances are four or five days. So there's a little bit of dead time. I was going to ask, like, what's the cadence with this league? Yeah, every four or five days. is in advance. And somebody commissions it and there's like, TJ's the commission.

I know 24 hours. So before we started, yeah, the podcast, you were, Will was saying that you don't play it, but you actually do. I do play the game.

You're on the sticks. Yeah, I play the games. Um, we don't send the games. Um, but I don't play outside of this dynasty. Like,

I don't play just pick up games. Yeah. With regular folks. I mean, I think it would be fun, but it's, I don't know why. It's weird to me to be.

It's weird to me to play one-on-one in any kind of console game with a stranger. I don't know why that's weird to me. But I do like being in like group activities, like where you play with, like in, on my PC games, I play a game called Hell Let Loose and it's a World War II shooter. So you got to squad up with six guys and y'all all got to be doing your jobs and shit like that. Put them on, Will.

And then you got to go, you go and race. That sounds fire. You got to play PubG? I played PubG back in the day, but I'm, I'm on Hell Let Loose now. But on eye racing, right? You race against 20, 30 dudes on eye racing on my sim. my SIM rig. I do that anytime. I don't mind doing that. But this is this deal here. And I'll say this. Like, and you guys can probably appreciate this. I mean, I've already appreciated everything

that you've laid out for us with that iPad. The detail. You have a full call sheet that tells you which situation. There's a massive respect factor that's taking place right now with what you've done here. That's crazy. The, the, that's, it's unnecessary. And if you're just, I know it's unnecessary. But I need to do it because I love the, I love the details. I love the data. Yeah. I love the information. And like when I would, when I was working out and trying to stay in shape as a race car driver, what I enjoyed doing was road bikes. I hated the freaking ride. I hated the 40 mile ride. I dreaded it. What was hanging out there in front of me was all of the data I got from the ride, my average watts, my, you know, all of the information that I would get from.

from my, you know, my technology and all the crap you could put on the bike to tell me how I did compared to my last ride. That's what I rode for. And that's what made me want to ride was to see if I was faster or better. And that's, you know, and I think, too, like, as I've retired from racing and I don't have that consuming my brain all the time, like these little hobbies are what keep my mind sharp at, like, 50 years old. like I need like I need this mental gymnastics that's in this you know that's this bullshit that I'm playing with my buddies right and I take it way too far right and and but I'm like hey you know that's my chance to win that's how I'm gonna beat DJ is to be like make sure that I am playing the I'm calling the very best play every single moment I can possibly call for myself and I know this because I've looked at all these plays and I've ran them and I've and I've listed them and I've got them right here and I've created this very you know custom playbook um and so yeah it's fun you need it you need it's the next level we need an inspiring so i don't know what the next level could be i mean i think it's already taking for the

next coaching when i was racing and it was the 40 miles and i dreaded it i hated it it consumed me but all the technology all the details the process the loving it he's like that's when i get out of college football 25 He's like, I don't have that anymore. And you know, when I'm coaching, what's the mascot for Charlotte, the 49ers? The 49ers, yeah. When I'm coaching those boys, the Charlotte 49ers and. Colley.

Samuel, he's elevated his GPA and now he can't play and he is eligible this Saturday. That's what I get out of this game. When I got a guy who's on the outside linebacker's spot, and I know he's reaches maximum potential. So I move him into defensive and I get to see that spark in his eyes. And we've had one-on-one jumping to the next level. And we've had one-on-one conversations. I'm like, no, you belong on the edge. And he's trying to tell me I'm a stand-up backer.

And now I need to trust this data that this has given me. I found a- I showed him the sheets. He doesn't believe in the sheets. But eventually he did believe in the sheets. And what happened? He's a five-star. Now he's a blue-blood. Yeah.

And now he's a champion. Yeah. Because he listened, because he took the coach in. He's a champion. I have it on good. What the hell does Amy think of all this? She hates it. Yeah.

And I got to know you're, Katie. So you're every, okay, your games, your weeks are four or five days long. right but you're clearly you're you're you're every day I'm I'm every other day probably in the in the I'm in the you know in the I'm in the war room every other day working on this you know those off days too he's thinking to himself I want to be back in there so bad those days with real life work in front of him where he's like not real life I got to get this not real life work it's the time home yeah he's like all right we're gonna be watching this TV show tonight I got to stay in that's right that's right

that was last night I was like we're not do we're not doing we're not not doing it tonight. Watch the show. Got to be there for my family. Y'all got to be there for my family. You know, I've got to get in the simulator real quick. I guess I should work on my cars. I do have a game that I've got to play against App State.

App State's my co-pilot. He's with me here in Nashville. He flew to plane. He landed a plane here today. And his name's Alex. And I played Alex a couple seasons ago and beat him really bad. And so I spent the time on the next flight that we were flying somewhere and wrote him a basic, an e-book and gave him, I gave him my play book.

You wrote him an e-book? I wrote him an e-book, emailed it to him. I'm like, here's everything I do with scouting. Here's everything I do with plays. Wow. Here's, I'll show you this shit. Dude, he's a counter-stallions of 25. And then I sent him.

Psycho. I sent him my playbook. He wrote his buddy an e-book. He wrote his buddy a manifesto on how to become a better 25 players. And he's dominant now. And now, like, when I play him, it's like, I know I got him and shit together because he's going to call all the same shit I call. and I don't even know how to stop some of the shit I call.

Yeah, you would regret. You've transcended. I know, man. Like, if I was playing myself, could I even beat this? And it's so funny because the passion oozing from him, he really asked himself that kind of question. Oh, my gosh. He saw how good he was doing.

He's like, have I done it? Have I cracked the code on this game? He said, I've given him everything that I know. and now I'm going to be playing against him and he's going to be calling the same shit that I call and I'm wondering, can I even stop myself? And you see the look at his eye like he's got Daytona this weekend.

Oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh, that's a great question. Do you have a picture of the war room? Oh, it's just my house. I mean, it's just my game room. Yeah, but it's a good. No, no, no, it's just...

You've got to have a corp board somewhere. No, no, no, it's just a room with a couch and a TV. You've got a corp board with some sort of... There's none of... I can't have... Hey, there can be no physical evidence. You know you prints out the...

Smart man. Can we no physical evidence in the room? God, you got to stream this, man. What time of day this has happened for you? Like, does the day you know when it gets to... All right, kids go down by 7.30? Yeah, she knows. Kids go to bed about 9 o'clock.

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This brings it all back around. Dale sent me his children's book and I'm reading it to Roo and I'm thinking, this is the longest fucking children's book I've ever read. So he ain't reading his books. No, he said it to his boys. This is a wrong. This is a rude. This is a long. Sweet Art, we're gonna read.

He made this book for his boys in his league that he knows his kids. And now they can't focus. They gotta read this long-ass book. So we're gonna read Go Dog Go. Yeah. It's about eight pages. Good night. Eight pages, dude, those are the best ones too.

When you're kid, you tell your kid, go ahead and pick out a book. And they bring back those real thick ones. Oh my gosh. But the pages are like that thick each is only about eight of them. You're like, hell yeah. Okay. Only one tonight, though, okay? Only one tonight.

I meant to do a write up on Twitter about your children's book because I remember being in the one time, you'd be like, oh, sweetheart. She wants to go back. can see the cars in the garage. There are some books that are you're like, damn, I should take that one out of rotation. Everyone should buy that book there. Anyone out here listening, please buy the book.

You see your little one go walk over to the shelf and like, God, why didn't I grab that? That one right there. Trip to Victory Lane. My, my, how many pages that thing? What's that novel look like? My six-year-old is the long book person.

And my little four-year-old is like the cardboard, you know, cardboard. book. Yeah. Open it up. It's like three words each page. I love it. Hell yeah.

My seven, my seven, my seven, my seven, we're busting out Harry Potter but it used to be a chapter a night. And I,

you haven't seen me read on this podcast yet, but it's, it's slower moving than most. And so I go to like the five pages saying my four year old, she's the same way with like the little pop-up books.

And she wants to put stickers on a page. I'm like, we'll do one page. Yeah. And I always let her do two because I'm my kind of dad. I do it out of there. You're,

it's no bullshit, man. I'll be sitting in there in the middle of the book going, damn, this book, you know. And then I have to remind myself, I'm like, what an asshole, you know? Yeah. I'm going to miss this. Yeah, man. And I'm like, guess just shit.

I'm telling myself, I'm like, shut up, self. Just read the book. Just enjoy the book. Get into the book. I think one day you're going to wish you're back in this moment, then just sitting under your arm. My little four-year-old is smart enough to know I'm half-assing this, right? Yeah.

She, you know, and she's like, what's the, deal with this guy. Yeah. Right. I was he a passionate about this as I am. Where's the voice inflection? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you got to change the voices too for all the characters. I really enjoy doing it. I don't read it enough until you do that. I do that because I have to do the audio for our book. You know what's messed up? Oh yeah. I love that. I get into it. You know how they say like in books there's like the quotes or like somebody's talking and it says like Darla said. It's like so blah blah blah blah blah. Darla said. That's a no idea. They didn't put Darla says in the beginning. So I know to change the voice inflection for that because I start we're going across these lines

That's right. I'm like what voice am I supposed to be doing here? This is Darla. And I feel like I have to go back and read as Darla now. Yeah. And those are made up. Sure, I'm glad you brought the info on the children's book. I saw the age range is 4 to 8.

I'm like, okay, so Rue's got a couple years. I shouldn't even crack that. Right. If anything, it's inappropriate. Yeah, that was your fault. Yeah. He'll learn about victories. I'm thinking like, oh, man, super nice a day.

Concedently, all his buddies in the league, their kids are all between four and eight. Yeah. That's how this all happens. You get freed up around nine. Yes. So you'll play from nine until... I just... A game's an hour.

So, like, if it's... But you ain't just... With Allie. I know. So you got recruiting every week. Yeah. You got to go in there and go, all right, man, I got a big lead here.

I can spare some points and put it on this other guy where he's in second. And now I'm at a five and a half star or four and a half star, so I'm going up against some big schools trying to beat, you know, Michigan and other people. Michigan got two wide receivers from me already in this round. We're in like... Michigan has become the thing in this.

We're in week four, and they got two, like, mid-90 speed, five receivers, but I got one guy, you know, so there's just one guy I think I might win. So you'll play until about midnight? Midnight, yeah, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at the clock. But then, man, you get up and you're like, I'm going to go sit on the couch and eat some junk food or sometimes, man, I just can't go down. Well, yeah, you have a big game. You got a big game. I've just played the game. Don't say he's coming down.

It's hard for him to come down. Hard for me to call. Yeah, yeah. You have done playing a big game. 60 minutes of football right there. Especially when you win, win really good. Yeah. I get nervous.

Eat some food, send your boy a message. Like, hey. How'd that go for you? That go the way you wanted? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah.

Well, yeah. To get to the, to get to the national championship against Michigan, I beat Texas State by, with the last second field goal. Texas State?

So there's somebody else in that it's pretty good at recruiting. Yeah, on the program. Dominant, correct. Kelly's his name, and he's pretty tough. And he's got a fast quarterback, and he knows how to use it. It sounds like he's involved with the mafia with that name.

Yeah. So I almost didn't even make it a natty. How many years has this dynasty? I won year 29, 2009. It took you 29 Cs. 2029. So four years. Oh, okay, okay.

Sorry. And so you've unseeded a Michigan team that's won three national championship in a row. Yeah, he won one with South Carolina, and then somehow or not. He don't do his recruiting or used to not, and his team took a shit. And so you got to. I got to work a lot. He's got a job. Yeah.

Yeah. I know, man. My time's limited, man. I can only put this much into it for a short period of time where I have to pull the plug. Go do something else. We used to have a Madden League back around 2012. He was in that too. And it was full.

36 or however many. 32 full member. Everybody had a team. I was Washington. and I got this fictional running back. I'll never forget his name. Nick Hubbard. Insane.

I pulled him off a free agency. He was like a 68 overall, but he had 97 speed, 98 speed, and a lot of strength and a good trucking ability. And so his overall was so low because his awareness sucked. But if you're usering the player, it don't fucking matter if they got bad awareness. So I blew this dude up

He was nasty And I destroyed the league For three years in a row Won three Super Bowls in a row And then I was like This is boring, I'm out And I quit No is this is

So funny Sherman did you pull up the game The hell or high water Was it? Hell let loose That's it Hell let loose Dude it's fun as hell

Yeah it looks like Call of Duty It's kind of like a dude It's really slow So there's kind of like Call of Duty But call of duty But It's no slower

Slower pace Yeah It's like once shot dead. You got to really kind of, you don't, you know, you're going to die a lot if you move too fast. Yeah. So you got to be smart. You got to be methodical? Yeah. I like it. You respond a lot or

do you get one life and that's it? No, you can respond. Okay. So, yeah, so it's very much Caledity. D. Dale was gooning with us on PubG one night. And I, I like Hill. I like the, the, the, I like the real historical. Oh, PubG is real.

What you're talking about? That's like a military a hundred on an island. This ain't no I like the historical I like the historical like World War II era So if PubG just had a time I used to play Poohs

30s you'd be good A crap ton on this thing I used to play PubG on iPad Because like you could take it anywhere Yeah And play anywhere And it was not bad on a mobile It was pretty good

Yeah PubG's a lot of fun Do you ever play Red Dev Red Dev Redemption too? Yeah Give me your take on that game Did you play it all the way through? I don't think I finished it Oh, real.

Dude, it's a lot. It is a lot. You got to have the book. Did you get the book to finish it? Because you got to, I mean, sometimes you'll get in some of those scenarios and you're like, I really don't know what the fuck to do right here. Like the book tells you every little. Yeah, I guess maybe all the side missions.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like trying to find the treasure map or go skinning animals or something like that. But if you're just playing the storyline. I think I did the first one, Red Day Red Dead Redemption. Yeah. And then that was a good storyline with John Mars. I didn't do the second one. I, what I want is.

and it may exist, but I don't know. I got into Red Dead Redemption 2 on a PC. And I want a, I want a world that's existing all the time that you can drop into that's a wild, wild west. And like you are, you're a character and you're always developing that character. I know that you can jump into online play on Red Day Red Day Redemption. But it's kind of quirky. It's not like a authentic, realistic,

experience, right? You run around, shooting people, they shoot you, whatever. But it would be cool if they could figure out a way or if there is a way to, like, have a character that's everlasting. Like, that's your character. You drop in, you play this guy, you're this guy, and you go, you know, put your ass to bed, get up the,

you know, next time you log in, you get out of bed, you go run around and do some stuff. And so, you're saying, does that make any sense to you? No, it does. I'm just thinking, like, I wonder if there's anything in VR. And then I'm thinking, like, but you might get consumed by this. Yeah, yeah. Dale, of all the people, I would never expect this,

but I think Dale, ready player one. Have you seen that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you put the thing on, then all of a sudden you're in that world and your real world kind of goes to shit. Yes. But this world, you're like, yeah.

Because I'm the same way. I could definitely fall into that trap. He's like, you get up, you take your ass to bed, and I'm just thinking, you played Harvest Moon before. But I, so in this Red Dead fantasy you have, it's a Western game,

but you can, like, build a home. Yes. Yeah. All these, so you can essentially live a real world. Yeah. So there's a game called Arc. I tried to put Will and the boys on it. They weren't really having it.

But essentially, you start out as like a level zero. And you're like a caveman. You're living in prehist, in dinosaur, in dinosaur times. And you're essentially just like trying to survive for your first 50 levels. But you can learn to make tools, learn to build structures, learn to, you know, you can start farming things. And eventually you can get so good at Arc that you can have like technological advances where you have like jet packs.

You're flying on things. There's dragons. And that is a world that is everlasting in the way you're saying. You can live in that. And people can come to your world and take all your stuff. And you basically have to start all over. Yeah. That's kind of like Daisy.

Or was it days we played Daisy for a while? That's kind of, yeah. My old thing is you build that thing up and you die and you get taken over. It's over. The Asian clans come and start over. Daisy is like the zombie apocalypse. You launch into the world and this thing's been around forever. And it kind of goes through these certain periods of popularity.

But you land on this big giant island and you got nothing, right? You've got to eat. Your guy will die if you don't like feeding food. And you, you know, you steal from people and you build houses to hide your shit in. And it's kind of the same way. But it doesn't really progress beyond like the technology, bare basic technology that you have is what you have. Yeah, this one.

You want to play Skyrim? No. That was a great game. That's a fun game. I, but we need to go back to Red Devred Dempshaw real quick. You need to go play too.

You need to play it all the way through. You need to play the storyline and fully invest in Arthur Morgan. To me, this is the greatest game ever created. When I got my ACL refixed in 2021, I had eight days and I played the entire game in eight days. I had nothing else to do. I sobbed.

At the end of the game, I have no joke, tears streaming down my face. It's me and my wife and I cried. And then there was a break in crying. And as I was going to sleep that night, I started to re-cry about the game. That's how. How did your wife take that?

She probably was like, yo, what the fuck? These pain pills are one. Must be way different than anything I've ever taken. I'm already getting a lot of shit about this NCAA football I'm playing. I'm not sure how she might react if I cried over a game. Yeah. Arthur, no. Just from the other room.

That might push her over the edge, man. I'm not sure. I'm not coming back for that. I'm getting emotional thinking about it now. To be honest with you. I'm getting emotional thing about Arthur Morgan right now. And I know there's a bunch of tier ones right now saying, oh, you need to double stream. I'm going to double stream.

It's been a busy couple of weeks. Oh, bro. You need to, not just, they can't, they shouldn't leave you alone. You said something. You haven't even answered them. I actually have. You need to focus on my Twitter account. I actually did.

You still talk to Billy? You're talking to them every day? Bill, I don't talk to people every day, but I sent a little PSA. I said, hey, I know I said I was going to do a double stream. I've been a made aware it and it was right above the tweet you made. I'm like, oh no. I will eventually do a double stream. You're streaming your game?

Yeah, we'll stream Tuesdays around 11. What platform? What's that? What platform? I think it was just doing it on YouTube or Twitch. Yeah, oh yeah. Not Twitch? No, I don't think we dove enough into it, but we should definitely dive into that a little more.

Like I just figured out what I don't know much about it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we were, when we goon on PubG, he does it from a PlayStation. Got to do it with Discord. about discord.

That's what we have in our college football league is a big discord. That's how we communicate every day. And everybody's in there running their mouth and bullshit and about shit that don't even matter. About stuff that's their life, right? I'm going for a job interview today, guys. We're like, all right. Yeah.

Good luck. You know, good luck. Yeah, that's a stream. You better strap the fuck up. Yeah. Job interview. Man, are we, we feel good? Yeah, we need to ask him the bud-like question.

Oh, Shum, do you have? that yes what he would do anything for yes our bud light question segment and again stock up now on bud light had to budlite dot com slash locator to find a store near you but our bud light question there's talks what people would do for a bud light what would you do anything for like what is that for so for example steve ranella he gave us a a great story he's like by the end of my life like I don't care. I will do, I will move heaven and earth

to create this little docu series. I won't say what the concept is because he told us afterwards. He's like, I can't tell you guys, but I will get this made. I don't care how many views it gets. It doesn't matter.

Like, I want this story to come to life somewhere, somehow. He would do anything to get this docu series created. What is something that you do anything for me? My life has been amazing. There ain't shit. I don't know.

I mean, I don't want to say that, I mean, obviously the traditional things, I have to probably say some people that are watching this don't go, what the fuck's wrong with this guy with my wife and my kids? But outside of like,

I would, I think I would probably, I mean, the things that keep popping in my mind are like getting my kids through college. Because my life has been, I've already done all the things. I've already done everything.

I did it all. I did everything I wanted. I don't, there's nothing sitting in front of me where like, shit, I hope that happens. Not even the cup stuff. Like if the cup thing happens.

Yeah, I was going to bring that out. I was going to say, yeah. I don't want to do. I wouldn't do anything for that. You know, I'm kind of,

I'm kind of 50 and good. And I want, you know, I want to watch, I want to be, I want to be more excited, invested in what happens between, you know,

now and my kids graduating school and moving out of the house, right? Are they going to play sports? Is it going to be dance? Whatever hell it's going to be, right? What are we going to,

what are we going to get into? and my goal, I think, is all of that, whatever that is in that, whatever happens between now and them graduating college, which I hope they do, all that's fine. They choose. But like, I want to make sure that they are, when they leave the house, right, to be adults, that they are equipped with all the tools. And so, like, I would do anything in the world to make sure that that is what situation they're in. You know what I mean? Yeah. There ain't nothing in front of me personally, professionally, that is, that I'm like, oh,

I got to get it. It seems like back-to-back titles in college. Yeah, yeah. It seems like you took a generic answer and made it beautiful the way you just explained that for your kids. Dude, I'm going to tell you right now, if I got a on my podcast this week, we played a clip, TJ's my podcast co-host, my buddy that I beat with Michigan. We played a clip from the coach of the UNC 49ers congratulating me. I got the helmet, a jersey, a hat.

I told them, I told all my buddies in our Discord, I said, hey, I just booked a spot on bussing with the boys to go talk about the Natty. I told them that two weeks ago. And they're like, what? That fires me up. Yeah, and so I've been running this into the ground, and TJ is over. it. And so like if I don't beat his ass this next time, it's going to

be held up. I just booked a spot on bus with the boys are going to talk about the nattie. If I don't win, he is going to... When does the next season start? It's already started with like three or four weeks in so I think we'll play this, you know, we'll play the national championship probably in about four five, four weeks maybe. Oh, it's a short-lived celebration. Yes, it's quick.

And then there's a tour of celebrating your national championship in the middle of your next season. Yes. And so he's he's the favorite to do to win next the next night of you and he's already probably behind the scenes planning his celebration because he has some connections he has to he has connections at michigan does he knows some people all right so it could be rough but i told him i'm like live it up man who would have thought charlotte taking them down i would not have thought i wouldn't have guessed that

i would have lost a lot of money on fandole before we end before we end this i just wanted to um i brought this helmet now we didn't talk about this and there's really nothing to it they're not a story or anything other than you know y'all both know that i love washington and when i went to in 2015 i had an appearance to go to the college football hall of fame um and i'm standing there to um i'm also meeting a make a wish kid there that particular day we were going to tour the facility right and look around all the cool shit in there i'm standing there and dave butts the lineman for washington walks up up and he goes hey and you know introduce himself I was like I know who you are and he handed me

this helmet I want you to have this so it was a big surprise that he was going to be there for me and somebody had set that up and so Dave butts walks up and he gives me this helmet and he's like this is my helmet from 1984 I immediately obviously recognized it was a game warm helmet and he's he's like I want you to have it and so people ask me all the time like and I thought to bring this today because people ask me all the time, they're like, what's your favorite piece of memorabilia

of outside of racing? And so this is it. This is my favorite piece of shit that I've got, right? Of all the Washington, I got helmets, tons of helmets. I collect helmets.

I got 180-ish college and football helmets, right, of all types of teams. And this is number one out of helmets or any other piece of uniform, sign jersey, anything.

This is my holy grill. And Dave gave this to me. and I thought y'all would appreciate it. Being players, knowing what this probably went through, knowing what Dave was. Yes. You said the battle scars. Right? Do you mind if I, can I?

I thought I needed to bring that. I wanted to bring it for like maybe some, some inspiration. They played that different world. Different world. Yeah. I mean, that is so bad ass, though. He was so. The logo too.

Yep. I mean. It's back, man. They kind of thought, hey, we're bringing it back. It's nice. Have they been bringing it back? They talked about the logo can come back, and they're going to use the logo and some marketing and some things

because the family that designed it was like, hey, you know, this is something we'd like to have happen. So I think there's been some conversations around the logo itself being used in some marketing stuff. I don't think the logo was ever coming back to the helmet. Right. But yeah. Pretty neat, man.

I just... Washington's in a good spot, man. They are? Oh, you kidding me? You got to be fired up, man. They're in a great spot. It was fun watching. them wise you just make that run and beat an alliance that was yeah that was it had been they

performed the entire game too yeah i hadn't ran around and i was in texas at um my wife's had some friends and family we were visiting and i was running around in this in this person's living room like a maniac you know during the game amy's invested amy's into it the kids are into it they wear jerseys and you and they get the little cheerleader uniforms and my little girl isla six years old is like, hey, commanders plan today, are we wearing the jerseys? We got to wear the jerseys. I'm like, yeah, let's get the jerseys. And so, I mean, the fact that they're good, the fact that they're winning

is all like happening at the perfect time for me because my families, my girls are kind of impressionable. And when they were winning those games at the end of last season, it brought me back to my childhood. because when, you know, they hadn't really kicked real ass since 91. I was, I remember where I was when they won against Denver and the Super Bowl, against the Bills, against Miami. And I remember physically where I was standing or what I was doing. And I hadn't been that happy and been able, it was so nice to be happy and, like, really truly, genuinely cheering about your team going that deep into, you know, the postseason.

I know I'm overstating it a little bit, but I'm a fan, right? So I'm biased. But you know, you played there, and you know the history and the legacy of that team and what that means to the fans that go to those games. And all the teams you play for, you know how passionate the fans are? And God, Almighty, we've been waiting a long time. I mean, there's other teams that have been waiting a long time too, but damn, it's been tough. I know just the story of Washington, Snyder, the ownership of the cloud that's kind of been there.

You root for them, but you're like, They couldn't do anything right. Owner off the field. It was always bad news. You'd like, nobody wants to play for us. Look at all the shit going on. All the, we can't escape the bullshit. And then they get new ownership, new coaching staff, and it feels like it's positive.

And then they get the players in and them have the success that they've had so quickly. It turned around insanely fast. I've been watching free agency. I'm looking at my phone every day following JP and a couple of those guys going, right, man, what's the update? Who is it today? Yes. Like who's up?

Yes. Yes. I'm like, oh, man, those are my guys. Yeah. And I'm like, what's the news? You know, let me know. Oh, you know, because we're all fired up about our GM and all. We think he walks on water.

Yeah. And we're like, hey, man, they're going to, now that we've shown everybody in the league that what we can do and everybody's excited about Jaden, it's all these players are like, I want to go there. Yeah. Well, let's see it. Let's see it. Here's free agency. Let's see who signs up. It does you just love it all batch of the Lachians.

Dale fan. Dale is when he's just a fan. He sounds like a passionate man in general. Yeah. The thing I love you talking about, though, is like your kids getting fired up watching the games with you because my, my oldest daughter's started to hit that with Michigan. Like this year, like, she will, every Saturday, like, we'd have the game on or whatever during the day. And we'd either watch it casually and I would go back and watch it or like she would sit down and watch it with me. And when we played Ohio State this year and we won.

I remember she was in the other room because she was doing something. And her mom and my youngest daughter, like sprinted in the room. Like we're all high five. Like they were like truly about it. With I thought it was like the coolest moment. It's like, yeah. That's gotta be feeling great.

I didn't meet my wife when I was at Michigan, but like she knows like I enjoyed playing there and stuff like that and I've like recently become like a bigger and bigger fan and like really dived into the culture. And to see my seven year old be about it. And then here you talk about your kids being about it, putting the jerseys on all that. It's very similar.

Yeah, it's like this is how fans are built. Yep. This is like organically how fans are just made. That's awesome. Teaching Rue, the go big red chain. Yeah. Did that have football? Like, yeah, we're going to watch football today, sweetheart.

We're going to have that on. I've got to be watching Daniel Tiger. Daniel Tiger kick rocks for just 12 hours, all right? We'll get back to it tomorrow. Little Bear, fancy. Yeah, this is me and my daughter. I took her to Northwestern. So that's the game before Ohio State.

And, I mean, they dropped like a 50 burger on Northwestern. So a win was kind of dialed. And I talked to the team before, too. So I was like, maybe something's in the air. And technically, they're undefeated since me and my daughter. into that game. So me and Amy were at the Chicago game where they had the Harold Mary. Oh, no shit.

Insane. That was so wild. We were sitting there in this. Is she a fan? Is she a fan of football? Yeah. She likes it because I like it. And there's not been a lot to, there we are.

We got to go down on the field. Probably about 20 feet away from us. You know that moment, right. Everybody's gone. The whole stadium's empty. Jaden's about 20 feet away doing an interview. and I would get to, luckily get to say, hey, man, I'm a big bandy, you're badass, you know.

And so that was a cool moment for us. I wonder if Jay didn't even understands how big of a deal that is. He has. He has, he waited for you to finish an interview. He has other things in his mind that are big deals, right? Yeah. That are cool.

And his generation and the people that he, like, holds at a certain level of, you know, celebrity status or whatever. But we were, I wore my Regan's jersey. I'm like they let me go sit in the owner suite like that was automatic when Dan was there when Dan on the team I was getting invites every week and then the new people come in and I'm like

man I wonder if I get that invite yeah and so they sent one and we're like hi we're going we didn't know where we were sitting but they walked us in there and like oh hell they done we did the whole thing the whole owner suite's like a whole whole different color now and we sit down on the front row watch a whole game and ain't looking good

everybody's leaving everybody's kind of leaving even their owner suite and he's like what we're doing I was like we're doing I was like even if we lose we're going to lose we're going to stand here a few minutes soak it in

we're just wait standing here a few minutes we ain't leaving we ain't leaving and we're standing there and you know he he's the ball up in the air and yeah we're watching and they fucking caught that pass

and what people were left it was like pandemonium like Amy my I'm watching I was like watching Amy go crazy like loving that because I'm like shit you know my wife is a you know a big commanders fan now and um I don't know man that was a to have been there and seen that in person and I remember like watching the one guy go down the field number 23 that that was taunting yeah yeah I'm watching it I'm like hmm here's an opportunity this this fucking guy is not paying attention I wonder if anybody else notices this like you know

because he went viral yeah and so I'm thinking man, this, this might be a chance. There might be a chance here. And, of course, you know, y'all know how it went down, but God Almighty to, y'all have probably seen the Hell Mary moment or the buzzer beater. Y'all seen that because y'all are in sports so much in college, high school, NFL. You've probably been part of those moments, right? That was my first, like, real, like, buzzer-beater, like prayer.

one in a million. Yeah. You know, and then for us to go on and do what we did the rest of the year, right? Because that was kind of early in the season. But, I mean, it's just incredible.

But especially against like Caleb Williams, who was the first overall pick. There's obviously that like, yeah, it's already started rivalry. Swift busted this big long run off in the second, in the third quarter. And I was like,

here we go. Fucking falling apart. Yeah. Our defense had held them up. God. For so long. And now it's like they found the holes. They found the krypton night.

They're going to, them just destroy us. Or they, you know, they're going to win the game. Yeah, we got it. That is so awesome. That was a fun season last year.

I hope this year is good. I hope so, too, because you worry about the sophomore slump. That's always a worry. Yeah, that's always a little bit of a deal. We've done some good things. They'll get better through the draft. We only got five picks, so I don't know what that means. And I keep hearing that this just picked up somebody in pre-agency, right?

The left tackle from the Texans. That's right. That's right, tonsil. Yeah. He's good, too. Yeah. He's got good footwork. Good.

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I don't know if he signed a new contract yet, but Houston got a whole bunch of picks. They're going to have to pay him big time. Well, they got to pay Jaden two a couple years. The good thing is they have Jaden on the rookie deal. They can just get others around and see if they can wait a lot. at least two more years. Two more years, yeah.

It's funny to watch them work, man. The free agency, you know, besides the left tackle from Texas, the players that they bring in, you're like, hmm, don't, I've never heard of this guy. Who's this guy? What's his story? And their story's really not like, he's dominated. You know, it's kind of like, well, he's a journeyman, dependable, he'll get in there, he'll do the job, you know.

And that's what they did last year. They had these one-year deals. I don't know shit about this like you guys But he you know I'm watching I'm like it's it's strange because everybody's Everybody's now signing like one year Deals on these you know these you know these veterans that are in like the 70 six

60 70% mark of their career They got a little left in tank but I mean how is Is that the way it's always been? Because it feels like I remember It felt like for years When free agency came Everybody signed like three four five six seven your deals. And now everyone is doing these like one year, two year, little rinky dink. You'll play

here this year, maybe not next year. The journeyman has I think has become more and more casual now than ever. This free agency has been very unique in the sense that the market keeps getting higher and higher just in these like this pocket of this couple of weeks. Like Max Crosby was the number one, you know, highest non-paid quarterback of all time. And then a day later, Miles Garrett than a day, then like, you know, now he's like the fifth highest paid. So it's really interesting to see these like markets, like these cap setting contracts happening. But a lot of times like you get through the first wave at that free agency, which is like your, your top guys who are able to get away from their teams are going to pick up.

And then you get like a lot of the guys that have like, you know, they're signing usually the one, the two year deals. It's like, is he going to work out? We know he's got talent. Can you really get it done? So I think, too, there's not as much of a market because the structure when the new CBA and everything else when the minimums went up for rookies, it kind of squeezed that middle class a little bit more because the rookies, they'd be on cheaper deals. So you would see more three, four,

five year deals of like middle tier guys. But over time, it's like the floor has raised for the rookie deals. And it's like, we're going to have this rookie for three or four years. You don't necessarily pay the middle class as much. You can kind of put all your eggs into the guys that you want here long term. And guys will take those one or two year deals because they're essentially trying to trying to be on prove it deals to where they haven't seen the guarantees that they would like in a full contract. Because if you're a good player and somebody's offering you, let's just say, you know, three years, $30 million, but only, you know, five to 10 guaranteed or something like that, then that player probably thinks in his head, I will just do a one-year deal, get a guaranteed contract as much as I can, and then hopefully try and hit a lick the next time around. But the middle class is kind of getting squeezed out because you'll just sign guys on one-year minimums or one-year for lower money. But you don't see those like middle tier contracts being laid out as much more.

And we'll just structured out with a three or $30 million, $10 million guarantee. Like that's a three-year deal, but really it's a one-year deal. Right. Like that's a prove-a-deal. Yeah. Or it was of the past because of this whole, what we'll just have, the middle class getting squeezed. Because really all you have is your guarantee. A lot of these guys want to look at the total contract number.

Like these guys are making whatever, $200 million contracts. Oh, it's awesome. But then it's like, well, you only got this much guaranteed, though. The guarantee is what is the most important thing. not how big the number is because they could walk away from me or they could back to the contract and all these different things. So there's a lot of like shenanigans and like savvy things that take place during the free agency market. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating to watch.

And we'll see how it plays out for my team. Is there any like free agency type stuff in NASCAR or you're pretty just built in? We're going to pay the X, Y, and Z a year. Yeah, it's pretty... Bonuses based on if you win. Yeah. It's, they're not really a free agency now. there's some drivers that will become available where their contract comes up and they probably know they want to move to a different team and they probably or they're getting calls from like there's no tampering rules or anything so like an owner can call a guy and say hey how many more years you got on your deal or would you can you leave your deal can I buy it out can would you want to come to my team I want you as my driver what do we got to do and so you may be able to pay that team money to get him out of his contract early um does that happen very much?

much? It has happened in the past. It's not a very common thing. But, I mean, there's no real rules to our, we don't have a free agency period or anything like that. Have you ever poached somebody or gotten somebody? I've not. You know, my team, my team's kind of like taking these rookies and these up-and-comers and we've got more, we got more people. That's true. I guess you're yeah. We've got more people kind of coming to us than we have seats to have very, you know, people. But in the top tier cup level, it's probably a lot more cutthroat and, a little more competitive trying to... How many times when you were a driver did you get called from other ownership?

Once in my career. So like I was, my deal at DEI and my dad's company was ending and I had two or three teams come to court me or, you know, pitch me in their deal. And I knew I wasn't going to stay where I was at. So I was all the years and went and met with everybody in each team and kind of took the one deal that I liked. but that happened once and I was happy to I was happy where I ended up and wanted to stay there until I retired and I was lucky enough to do that. That's awesome.

I know we're wrapping up, but like in football when you're playing or any sport in general, like there's things you hate doing but then when you leave the sport, you're like, man, I miss that. Practice. Like with like, yes, did you miss? Practice.

Yeah. I hated practice because practice was a lot of times like testing was testing and practice are very similar. In testing, you go to a racetrack in the middle of the week, way before, weeks before you're going to race there. And you're by yourself usually. There might be another team there, but usually you're by yourself. And you're out there running alone. And it's you and your team. You go out, run, five, ten laps, come in, make a change. And it's very monotonous and boring. And you're just running and running. And you almost get

bored of telling them the feedback. Okay, yeah, that made it a little better. I didn't feel anything. We're just doing nothing here. I'm just spinning my wheels. And, but the team's got a process and they've got a plan for those two days you're testing and they are going to get through that plan and learn everything they want to learn and then go home you don't realize that as a driver you're just bored to death running by yourself when you practice on the race weekends everyone else is out there but it's the same thing you're practicing changing things your team's learning it's not a race there's no checker flag there's no winner loser you're just making laps and it's like an hour or whatever and um i hated it i thought it was boring and i hated to get ready and go do it

and it was getting in the way of whatever I wanted to do. But I wanted to race. The race was fun. I was excited about the race, but the practice was just kind of boring. But right in the last year, I was sitting in my car, and I think I was at Kansas Motor Speedway, and we're in the middle of practice,

and I sat there and it just dawned on me. I was like, there'll be a day in a very short period of time where I won't ever practice again. And I was like, and I was watching my guys, they were meandering around the car, changing little things, jacking the car up, going to adjust this, going to adjust that. They're just moving around and I got to watching them.

I'm in my garage stall. Every other car's in their garage stall. People are pulling in and out, going to running laps and it's busy. And I was just sitting in there. I was like, yeah, I'm going to miss this part. I hated this part and I should have appreciated it more. But I'm going to miss, I'm going to miss watching my guys that I love. I love these guys.

They're my guys. I'm going to miss watching them work. I'm going to miss coming in here and taking this car to them and saying, hey, can you fix it? I got, this doesn't work right or this doesn't turn good or it doesn't steer right. And they're going to try to fix it. I'm going to miss trying to fix that puzzle with them and work on it. And, you know, I think I knew I was going to miss driving in the race.

I knew I was going to miss the competition, right? But it was the prep work that I thought I hated that I ended up missing as well. beautifully said yeah thank you yeah do you ever remember those times like I can remember a few situations where you're kind of sitting there and you're kind of taking it in just being like as much as this shit sucks

because practice did like training camp you know there'd just be them days where you're just in the middle of the season or whatever but you're just sitting there taking in the breeze taking in the scene the heat if it's training camp here it's like one day we're not even going to be able to do this anymore yeah I feel it was always like during camp like you like you were getting those beautiful situations where you got a small group of boys and everyone just fed up and everyone just wants to vent and talk shit about how this is just bullshit

all this we're doing sucks yeah and like you let everybody vent and you're sitting there whether it's like we're all sitting in the cold tubs after like die like a couple guys are cramping in the corner and he's just like this is such a hot day we got to do it again tomorrow everyone's just complaining but then eventually that conversation would turn to someone would bring it up be like, it's crazy, this is not going to last forever. And that's like a moment you have, you're like, holy shit, like, yeah, this is kind of, these are, these is the good old days right now. You're in it.

Just sucking is the good old days. Because it is the stuff like practice sucks, like camp, August. I wake up now in August and I smile to myself knowing that there's about 2,000 guys out there's dying. Yeah. And I'm just in this cozy bed right now. Oh, this is, I'm like, oh, my kids for a minute before I go to work. Yeah.

Something like that. And that's kind of nice. But then there's like a piece of it's like, man, it would be nice to have. have like 53 guys that are just like embracing the suck together. Everyone's handling it a little different way, but we're all feeling the same thing, which is this is really hard and we're doing it together. Yeah. That's a beautiful part about it.

Yeah, I agree. Dale, this has been awesome. Yeah, it's fun. Thank you so much, man. We had a little marathon here, man. Yeah. Yeah, how long was this episode? 245.

Damn right. Yeah. Good work. Well, what's the average these days for you guys? We said well about it. Yeah, well, up. In a very good way. You're like 90 minutes of solid.

Like 90 minutes, I feel like it is our average. That's good. All right. Maybe on a high end. I'll take it as a, I'll call it a success. So much fun. Thank you for the gifts. Yeah.

I hope everybody enjoyed big hugs, tiny kisses. Don't forget to subscribe. Congratulations to Bustin, man. And the success. The new partnerships with Bud Light, Fan duel. Hey, I'm on Team Anheuser-Busch.

We worked with Fan Duel over at Murdertymo Media. Let's go. So, yeah. Some more we need. some more busts with the boys dirty moment. I need an Xavier win tonight. I know that. That's going to get my parlay hit.

Who do you got winning in the national championship? Michigan? You, March Madness? Yeah. Have you done a bracket yet? No, I'm a Tar Hill fan, and I know they're in a bad way, but. They just, they played last night, yeah?

Beat the shit out. They did. That's one, they were one leg of my parlay. It was Alabama State. Carolina and now Xavier tonight. You know, Fando, you can put futures bets together as a parlay. Yeah? Yeah.

Really? I got myself a spicy one plus 1, 813, plus 813 if you want. I hate staring at that damn thing. I did that with Caitlin Clark's average points for a rookie year. And I'm like, golly, every time I log in, I'm like, it's staring, it's staring me right in the face because it's not over. You know, you've got to wait months for this thing to finish out. And I'm like, so I'm not in the quick. Yeah.

But the futures parlay with, uh, it's, it's a lot of, uh, you know, but the futures parlay with, uh, With Fandong, obviously, this is actually while March Madness is still going on. Yeah. But you can parlay futures of like teams getting to Sweet 16. Oh, yeah. The round of 33 final four. Yeah. You can parlay together.

And I got a plus 3,000 if you are interested. 3,000. I saw that. 3,300, something like that. You saw you beeped? No, I saw it on social media. I know what you're doing. You like it.

I know what you're doing. I did, I got on a parlay that you had during the NFL season. It was a rough one. I don't even want to admit what we bet. No amount of money. I had one unit, but like the teams we were betting on, I was,

it was a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know, yeah, because we were texting about it. Yeah. The fall, you'll see more of those parlays as well.

Yes. The playoff with the parlay. Yeah, like, damn, dude. Will and I got to this point late in the season last year. It was like, the higher the plus odds, the better the parlay was. Yes. Yeah.

Nine legs plus 10,000. Right. That's ridiculous. But if it hits That's no way to live You're going to be pissed That's no way to live You put an iPad

Showing your college football 25 breakdowns of everything Yeah We can put together some spicy parley Like my spicy parley And I might get clowned for this But like I'll go in

It was right before March Madness And it's got you can do this now With the ones versus the 16s But I like stack all the ones You know the ones to beat the 16s So I'll build like a plus two 200 with like nine, nine legs. See, that's a crazy way to live in, in my opinion.

But those are almost automatic. But you're getting, you're getting to plus 200 odds with a nine leg parlay. And they all should win. I am, I would say in the past month, I am probably 18 and 2 with seven or more legs in my parley's in basketball alone. Hey, I was going to say. I'll have to call Dale. I'll show you.

I'll open up, I'll open up my, my, where's the iPad for that? I'll open it up. I'll show it to you. If you took half the effort as you do it that game, as you'd be a billionaire. Yeah. You got to get careful because, I mean, you got to do like 400, 450 to 500 odds on seven or nine parlays to get to like plus 100, 200, 200 or something like that. But it's, you know, it's going to usually pay out. Yeah.

That's probably not a popular way to do it. Now, you just said 18 and 2 the way you did it, and I'm trying to criticize, like, I'm 2 and 18. Well, you're betting. I'll just eat straight picks. You're at plus 10,000 odds. Oh, buddy. I've won a few games. That's kind of number.

That's a number. No, parleses. I'm like, I said, I'm betting straight up. Yeah, parleyes, I'm. We do a thing on our gambling show. I want to join. I want to tell some of your bets, man, but you're going to clean it up a little bit. Come on.

We will. We'll get dialed in for football season. Let's go. I'll even run them by you. Let's go. Yeah. I'll put, hey, I'll tell you best. I ain't care. I ain't scared.

There you go. Appreciate you, appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you, y'all, man. It's fun. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

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