Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Jameis Winston Talks Adversity & Development Throughout Career

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

Recorded: February 17, 2025 | On this episode of Best of the Bus, Jameis Winston joined Will Compton and Taylor Lewan for their final Super Bowl Week interview. Winston reflected on his journey from college football to the NFL, the changes he made after being drafted, and how he learned to balance football with family life. Jameis shared the quarterbacks he admired, discussed the mental side of playing in the NFL, and explained why he chose football over baseball. The boys also got Jameis’ thoughts on the Cleveland Browns, his rookie-year struggles, and his rivalry with Marcus Mariota. He opened up about the first speech he ever gave as a youth football player, his relationship with his father, and how becoming a dad had shaped his perspective on the game and life. You will want to listen to this one again because it was awesome. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You got massive fans all over the place with Bustin with the boys. Man, it's on the privilege to be here. I'm on these greatness, this greatness. Did you When you're coming out of college And the whole crab Like things happened Who's gonna be first?

You were Marcus Like I feel like there was a dip In like oh this guy Like maybe people weren't appreciating your personality You flip over It's been 10 years now You are like the media darling I watch you at media days on Monday

The way you set up the joke For what's your favorite color to Chris Jones The way like you're the comedic timing The uh how authentic you are Like talking to Will He was at Barstole We have never actually met like Face Face Face, maybe one time after a game. Yeah.

But hearing that, like, you're the same guy. Like, at any point throughout your career, where you're like, do I need to be a little more like the model student these teams want me to be? Or did you never waver in who you were as a person? Well, when I first got to Tampa, I think, like, that was the compromise that I first made. Like, just trying to get out of the media as public enemy number one. Like, because I wanted people to really see who I truly was. So I invested time in the community.

I invested a lot of time with my teammates. And I always consider myself like a people pleaser. But that wasn't necessarily me at that time in Tampa. Because I was like, man, I'm so focused on me as the person. But when you're a good person, you don't have to try to be a good person. And I put so much thought energy and so much time and effort to like, oh man, I got to show these people that I'm not who they think I am. Right.

But at the end of the day, it's not actually it's not, you are not who you think you are, but what you think you are. So it's putting my energy toward like, man, my play toward like developing a family, spending more like in Tampa, that was my young days, you know? So like I'm in a new city, you know, it's living young, wild and free. But at the same time, I have a girlfriend that's living in Texas, you know, so I'm trying to manage that relationship and also focus on my dream, focus on winning the Super Bowl, focus on being the best quarterback and teammate I can possibly be,

and focus on being the best man that I'm possibly going to be without the limitations and perception that others had of me at that time. When you are stripping those things off, like talk about what it was like for you becoming a professional. When you're around guys in the league that have been around a long time, like, yeah, I'm thinking of Tampa. You're around like Levante, David, Gerald McCoy, Mike Evans, like guys who are becoming pros.

Because when you come out, you've been a dual-threat quarterback. You've been the man since high school. You've obviously made your rounds in the headlines when you were in college. And when you get drafted and you're going to Tampa, like talk about what it was like for you becoming that pro, stripping yourself. of the, you know, the past and everything else and the perceptions that people had about you, like becoming that ultimate pro that you're supposed to be in the NFL.

Yeah, well, one thing that a wise person shared with me, Joe Thaisman, and we had a tough conversation at the Walter Camp Award. And we're talking about just like, I was just explaining him like, man, Joe, like, that's not me. Like, what you heard about me on TV, like, that's not me. Like, I'm a southern boy from Alabama. I respect my elders. I respect everyone that I encountered with.

Like, that's just how I was born. and raised. And he was like, James, he's like, I can tell, look in your eyes, I can tell that's not you. But I want you to understand what this business is and what public perception is. Perception is reality. So instead of you telling me or instead of you forcing people to like you or instead of you trying to convince somebody who you are, people are going to believe what they want to believe. So you should just do that consistent day in and day out. He said, the more that you do that, it's going to come out who you truly are. He's like, because you can't hide truth. Like truth is eventually going to come out to the light. But in terms of like veterans,

like Jeremy McCoy, another veteran that was that really helped me was Lewis Murphy because he had a chance to be in Oakland and Carolina around Cameroon, Derrick Carr and guys like that. Levante David, just his poise, his presence in the Tampa community. Another big one that y'all probably remember his name, Clint McDonnell. Like just a true man of faith. I had the opportunity to go to, like, you know, when you're young, you're trying to go to every event that your teammate has. So the first time I went to Little Rock, Arkansas, was to one of his charity events for his foundation with his family and just seeing him as a man with his girls and his wife.

And I took my girlfriend at the time, now wife. And that was one of the changing points in my life in terms of like my commitment and my love and my consistency with my wife in terms of like, when I saw that, him represent his foundation, people in his city coming to support him. I understood, like, man, like, I know it's bigger than me. And I have a partner who I can support and who I can help lead to grow with me to be involved with all these great things in community, family, brands. Like, all that stuff became important to me because I saw this man, Clint McDonnell religiously. We went to a football camp. He had a golf tournament. But who he was in his community,

I'm just like, man, like, this is me to my community. But what he's displaying with his wife, with his kids in front of his family is that consistency, that foundation. And that's something that I'm chasing. So when I was in Little Rock Arkansas, I was like, man, like, this is who I'm going to be. And like, I'm not wavering from this. Like, I'm going to be intentional with my wife. Like, I'm going to get that fix. Like, we're not about to be going back and forth.

Like, I'm going to be intentional with what I want to do, how I want to serve. my community how I want to impact the younger generation and obviously I feel like ball has always been on the top of my mind because that's something that we all have tried to perfect a long guy journey anyway yeah you talk about like the ball being the top of mind like NFL stands for not for long in so many ways like you only have a finite amount of years to accomplish what your childhood dream was how do you find balance when you get home well you you find balance about being all in on every stage. And again, one of my biggest growth stages as well in 2019

where I got around Clyde Christensen, who coached Peyton. And, you know, Payton studied like no other. And Clyde, he was like, I was the first person to really encourage him. Like, hey, man, like, what you do in this building is what you're doing this building. But once you go home, you need to go home and be that same caliber studier, same present person, same leader to your family. And I was like, okay. So one thing that we did, we started developing a plan.

I never really had a plan, right? I had my off-season plan, but my end-season plan was, you know, studying, watching four games on Monday, Tuesday, getting an early bead on third downs and watching some more on the run downs. But I've never written it down to what I was specifically going to do. So I wasn't really holding myself accountable to the things that I was doing to prepare. I was preparing. I was landing on the line. but it wasn't strategized.

You're like checking a box and you're like, oh, I watch these four games. Boom, I watch it four games. Yeah. Watch a little bit third down. Okay, I now know third down. Right. I never put thought energy into the preparation side of it. I just did it because I loved it and I knew what was required to be a successful quarterback

and I knew I couldn't go out there unprepared. But I never thought that me actually sitting down with my quarterback coach planning what I am going to do, how much accountability that brings. Because I'm saying, like if I'm going to write this down, in freaking in June what I'm going to do in the months of September, October, November, and December. That's a level of commitment to like doing those things and making sure that you actually are being those things and not just saying, oh, I wrote this down just to write it for the love of the game. It seems easy to check boxes. It does for sure. Just feel the energy

of James already in this room. And it lifts you up. Yeah, it does. He's like he's truly, he's the rising tide that is lifting our ship. Yeah. I appreciate y'all, but I'm on the boat with y'all. Hey, I've been seeing you getting in the mix. Yeah. I've been seeing you getting in the mix. You had something you were, you know, Taylor was talking about earlier, but hitting media days on behalf of Fox Sports. You've been going on pods. Like, do you ever get fascinated by the things outside of football? Because we all eventually, the game comes for us all. Do you see yourself doing something like that after football? Man, I consider myself a man of increase. So whatever I can do to uplift people, uplift a brand, uplift a company, I'm going to do it. But,

But right now, like, man, my main goal, like, my contingency plan is nonexistent. My main goal is to be a Super Bowl winning, starring quarterback in this NFL lead. And, like, do you know the time, the effort, the dedication and preparation that entails that? You know, obviously my charisma, who I am, like, that's going to remain the same. That's my foundation because my faith. That's who I am. I'm imitating Christ.

So I know, like, that's going to remain the same. But my dream is to lead my team to the Super Bowl. And I still haven't done that yet. And I can't, I, I will not allow myself to be still in this business, still have opportunities, and not put, dedicate my time and energy to assisting, serving, or helping my team reach that goal. Yeah, it's an impossible game to be half in and half out about. Yeah. Especially as a starting quarterback.

Yeah. When you look at like the position you're in this year, Deshaun Watson, he gets her, you come in, we go up, we go down, we're kind of moving around a little bit, but you're slinging the ball everywhere. Are you looking at guys like Baker Mayfield who's, you know, went to the Browns, people kind of cursed him out of the building. He gets out of there and now he's like kind of reset himself and calibrated himself in Tampa as a starting quarterback.

Like what quarterbacks are you watching me? Like, I need to imitate this to take the next step for that so I can achieve the goal you were just talking about. Yeah, honestly, the quarterbacks I've been watching this offseason has been Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson because I think they do a good job of limiting their own critical errors. And sometimes with their play, you don't see like early on in both their careers you see the flashy they show you they can make a play

when it's time to make a play but sometimes they play games we're just like man like they have took 18 consecutive checkdowns you know and I think that's the part of my game where I have to really master I know I can win a shootout I know I can go out there and and throw for 500 surgically dissect any defense that comes my way yeah but now the key to my game to me actually elongating my career is winning football games and protecting our team to the best up. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts.

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Best it be like it. Definitely from an operation standpoint. is what you're talking about. Talk to me. Do you explain to me, Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson. I've been a little negative on Russell Wilson. He had a nice couple of weeks

in the middle of the season with the Steelers. But Aaron, for you putting up those two names, like Aaron didn't have a great year. Yeah. The Jets were back on the Super Bowl contending. They were having a parade in May. Yeah.

When he's, when he's coming back, it doesn't work out that way. Why those two quarterbacks? Well, those two's quarterbacks specifically because I think they do a good job of having a plan for the game. And they might not have

500 yards. in the first half. They might have 80 yards, but they know when to turn it on and when to turn it off. And no, they didn't have, like, Russ probably didn't finish the way that he wanted to finish.

But if you watch the course of his games, man, he is managing the game and is in complete control of what he wants to do. Same thing with Aaron. Yeah, he has some ups and downs. He didn't have the year that he wanted to have.

But still throughout the consistency of his play, week in a week out, is protecting the team. He plays that, like, I call it, I call it, selfishly thinking about yourself. Like they play in a way

it with like, man, I'm not thinking about my stats. I'm trying to see like, I'm not going to mess it up. I'm going to let the other team mess it up. And then when it's time for me to make a play, I have the God-given ability to go out there and execute and make that play. Right. That's what you're basically what you're saying is

knowing when to turn it on and turn it off. Yeah. All right. Talk about the mental game. Like when you are out there slinging it one week and then you have the picks. I think you had a couple of big sixes on like Monday night. Yeah.

Like when you hear the rumbings or do you an interception. Like, talk about the mental game. Do you ever get caught up and turning the ball over when you have all these touchdowns one week? You turn the ball over next. Talk about, like, being able to separate yourself, zoom out, give yourself perspective, give yourself gratitude.

Because as athletes, you just know that it is a constant mental game, like, when you are playing. Basically, what I was asking is, have you ever brought a book on the sidelines to read between series? Never. Never in my life. But I have, I have written things on my wristbands. like patience, precision, execution, feet. The mental game is so important because, like, we all know this, like, as athletes,

you know, you hear the saying, like, the game is 90% mental, 10% physical. And to a point, it's true because we got our God-given abilities. Like, we can do this or we won't be able to do this, or you won't be in a lead long. Like, they do a good job of assessing talent. But I would have to credit my mental capacity in terms of handling highs and lows, one with my faith journey in my knowledge of just the word of one of my favorite verses

is James two to four what I say is count it all joy my brothers and sisters when you fall when you fall into various trials knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience endurance but let that endurance let that patience have his perfect

work so that you can be complete lacking nothing ultimately that's what I'm trying to do in terms of intentional with that quote I thought. But in terms of... Okay,

wanted to play a game right now. But literally, in terms of my play, like, that's why I'm... Like, I know, okay, some things are going to happen, right? But when they happen, I counted as, man, I see the good in everything.

I have joy in when bad things happen because now I get the opportunity to make up for it. But sometimes they get me in trouble because I want to make up for it right then. Right. But that's not... Start pushing the envelope.

That's... But that isn't allowing the perfect work to happen. Sometimes a good play is no play at all, right? But I view this in terms of the highs and lows. I view it from a baseball perspective. Okay, I play baseball. Y'all play baseball. Growing up a little bit. Growing up a little bit. Centerfield. So you get in the Hall of Fame, you get in the Hall of Fame going one for three. Right. So it's a sport that okays failure. Like as a quarterback, man, what a great statistic. I want to go 22 for 28, 300 and 778 yards with four touchdowns and zero interceptions, right? 22 for 28 is perfect in baseball. If I told you, man,

I went 22 for 28 this weekend with eight doubles and four home runs and, you know, three triples. Like, that's unbelievable. But literally baseball turns, I can go one for three and make it in a hall of fame. That's a 300 average. So understanding like, man, it's okay to fail, but I got to make the most of my opportunity when it's there. I got to have a snap and clear mentality because I might have struck out of this last abat, but this at bat, I have a chance, right? And I believe that, like, you can see that in the way that I play. I go out there with the approach, like, we have a chance as long there's time on that clock.

But I think I know understanding that, man, I need to play like for four quarters instead of just playing for that specific drive. I need to play for that specific play, knowing that it's going to take me four quarters to win this game instead of trying to win on that one play. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you seem like just, it's like him going back to Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson. It's like eliminating things like, hey, the game's going to come one play at a time versus hey, I got to be Superman now. Right. In the next series. Of all the people we've talked to in the short amount of time we've been here, it's like maybe the most intentional human being we've ever spoke to. Yeah. Or at least trying to find

intention in every single situation. You brought baseball, dude, going one for three and being in the Hall of Fame. You had, like, you were in a rare breed of athlete where you were able to choose whether or not you're going to go the baseball route or go the football route. What it inevitably brought you to? I'm going to chase my football dreams. My love for this game, my love for the game of football, my love for the position that quarterback entails, man. Like, I think when you look at a leader in general, I think the quarterback is that person that displays what true leadership is like, especially when you got a good one. And when you got one that the team likes.

You know what I'm saying? Because we have to literally be able to communicate to everybody in the locker room. From all different walks of life, all different backgrounds, like we have to be the people that can get in front of our guys and you might be from Iowa,

you might be from Browah County, and we've got to make this thing work. All right? And the only way we're going to make it work is together. And that's the quarterback's role. The quarterback's role is to make all these little pieces work. and go. So I take pride in that.

And let me tell you, when you're a P.O. And you're watching other people hit and watch other people win games, and you over to eat seas and chewing on Big Chu? It ain't no fun, man. Bigtree's awesome. You out of the action. Yeah. I had something that I just slipped my mind.

I got one before even Deshawn Watson goes down and you get your opportunity. There is even conversations before he goes down of putting James in just because of the quarterback play that was happening. Walk us through this year, even before you getting to play, like how much were you having to be patient and persevere when even you might be on the side like, like, I know as a backup, somebody's not playing well, you're like itching, you're like itching for that opportunity and your time to shine. Yeah.

But what was it like for you early in the year, especially when those conversations started to happen on A, it could be a move here to put James Winston in the game. Yeah, man, you know, I feel like, I feel like God put me in the test last year. with Derek where, man, we would go out in games and our fans, like the Saints fans, like, they're born. They born, and I'm going to sit in the meetings. And I felt like, like, from I see looking in, Deshaun is playing like he bad or Derek playing bad,

but I felt like they're playing good. Because when I'm on your team, I'm there to serve you. I'm not there to serve the opinion or listen to the outside noise. I'm there to make this thing work. When I tell all my team is, like, if you're not trying to be part of the solution, you're not trying to win no games. I know that it's at the quarterback there.

It's only one person that's going to be out there. One. Everybody else, you play left tackle, you had a right tackle. There's a left guard. There's a right guard. The center, the quarterback, there are the only ones that are singler out there.

You know what I'm saying? So I have to be all in of serving the son and last year's opportunity. Serve in Derek, despite the outside noise. Now, I also know that my opportunity is coming shortly. And I have to be ready for that as well. Dog, that is awesome. Yeah.

That is awesome. Because it's tough too, because you talk about the dream. You want to lead it to a Super Bowl. Like you hear the outside noise and everything else, but to compartmentalize it and know that, hey, if you're not part of the solution, you need to get out of the building because you're part of the problem or you're creating a problem or some toxic poison that's in that locker room,

which you know it has to be eliminated if you're going to be a good football team. But well, I started with this. What I want from my, myself, I want for everyone. So what if that was me? You know what I'm saying? Imagine how many people then talk stuff about me, my entire life.

Right now, they bind their tongue because they're like, over time, the truth is going to set itself free. And I'll tell, I still tell the show in this. I'm like, brother, listen, you may be going through a season of adversity. But I promise you, you're going to make it out of this.

Despite public opinion, despite what everybody's on your case right now. But if you don't give up and you just use the ability that got, because the Sherwin Watson can play football. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people that as fans that the Twitter thumbs have, they quit to judge somebody.

They quick to write somebody off because the game that we play in the NFL, we have the greatest game of them all because every single year, there are 256 our people coming in to take our spot that they're promoting this. They're like, we are celebrating the people that's coming in to take your spot with the draft. And we're going to give them fake watches and free watches. We're going to boost up the brands. We're going to take some of your deals and give it to them. Even if they don't make it, they might not get cut the first day in, but we're telling

you that they're coming. So in terms of our mentality, it has to remain. We got to remain steadfast. We can't never lose sight of what we won't because we know it's always going to be the next man up. It's always going to be someone I cycling around. Gucci-Maine is always saying, he's using the reference of his little flings. He would say, opportunities of like.

buses. Miss one, next 15, one coming. And you can look up the regular lyrics you want to do that. But literally, you might miss the bus. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. How did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title. for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,

not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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Presented by Capital One, Founding Partner, Up. I heart women's sports. But you got to be ready for that next bus to come, but you got to be trying to bucket to get to the next bus stop so you can catch the bus. But if you don't want to catch the bus, then don't stand in the bus stop. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. You talked about guys from Iowa, guys from all over the country going into one facility of 53 guys that should have one goal. That's to win a Super Bowl. That's it. When you go into your rookie season,

coming from Florida State, you went a national championship. Like, you've been in the tip-top of college, and now you have put yourself back on the bottom of the total. them poll. What trials and tribulations did you have maybe trying to push the envelope too much on? How do I take leadership as opposed to earn the leadership? That's a very difficult thing because everyone says the quarterback has to be the leader in the room. And to be a rookie immediately with grown men who have kids, 401Ks, all that. And you're walking for your first time. They're like, yo, this shit is crazy. Yeah. You need to be a leader in the situation.

Where did you think you thrived and where are some areas that are like, oh, if I could go back, I would do that differently. The places that I thrive was just bringing youth into the whole situation because I think even veterans in the locker room, they need to see someone who loves the game and instills that passion in them that they may have once had. Or they might just need somebody to help them assist them into finding their passion back. And I know I did that to the best of my abilities. The thing that I feel like I could have did a better job at then I know I could have did a better job at was being unapologetically myself. The first few games at Tampa Bay, like when we used to lose, I just cry. You know, I used to, I used to, I just,

I really just to cry. Like, I hated losing. But alone, of course, I started to be okay with losing those games. And when I consider myself being okay, that's why I said, no, I compromise too much. I wasn't me. Like, I would never be okay with losing. But anytime, like, this is like science, if you take a step backwards, that is going to hurt you way more than taking 10 steps forward. because if you're consistently moving forward step by step,

you're going to get father. But the only time where you eliminate all chances is when you take a step backwards. And when you compromise who you truly are as a human being, you're taking a step backwards. So I try to please everyone else. Like, I ain't going to cry. I know we just got beat by 20.

I'm not going to cry. I'm just going to act like I'm happy. But that's, I'm acting like I'm happy. And we just got beat by 20. Yeah. Like, that don't do nobody justice. Obviously, when you walk into the building, like, the mentality that you need to have needs to be energetic, positive,

so you don't bring anyone else down. But you can't be okay with losing. Right. And that's the part that I felt like, before I got to the NFL, I never lost. Like, I didn't lose, really, you know. Not really. We always won. And I think that's the part in the NFL that is limiting me from getting to where I want to be

because I don't have enough wins, you know, And like early on in my temper, years, me compromising to being okay with losing, I think that impacted my wins leading up to this point. Why do you feel like you started to be okay with losing? Because everyone else was okay with losing. And I had to be that person to make sure that they knew it's okay. You know what I'm saying?

We just need to fix this. We just need to do this. We just need to do that instead of being like, no, this ain't okay. We have to do this. This is required for us. Not what we need to do. bro, this is a requirement.

If we want our jobs, if we want to be everything that we want to be, it is a requirement that we give all we have in this game. It is a requirement that we understand that winning is just as a contagious as losing. And I don't think people understand that. Yeah. When that first game of your NFL career, I was obviously on the other sideline. Yes, you were. Second year in the NFL.

And there was always this back and forth about who's going on, Marcus or James. And so the media is essentially establishing a rivalry between the two of you. Did you feel that rivalry going into that game or through the combine process, the interview process? I definitely felt that throughout the combined process, man. Me and Marcus was training at the same place out in Carlsbad, prolific athletes with Ryan Flaherty. Carlsbad's such a great place. It's amazing. It's beautiful.

And we were out there at the same place and like we would show up and like we never would work out together. Like literally, like if I was in the building, like he was either leaving or. or he was going to go somewhere else. Like, it was just never the, the, the brotherhood that you see the one and two typically has. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, you over there. I'm over here. Like, let's work, but I ain't trying to do it together.

So no conversations took place because it is such an interesting rivalry to me because both of you guys are such good people. But I didn't tell you the good part. I was thinking the same. I didn't tell you all the good part, though. Marcus never said a bad thing about anybody ever. He's not never. It's a good part. I know, I know, but I'm still trying to drag the audience out a little bit.

James Winston and Marcus hated each other. It's crazy. We never hated each other, bro. We just, like, obviously, I was, Marcus was always the quiet person among us two. So I know I probably have been extra in times I was around him. But last year, man, I took time just searching, like, who can I train with? And I took the accountability of going out to Oregon,

going out of train with Jimmy Ratcliffe, who was a longtime strength coach. at Oregon just because I was focusing on my speed and agility. So I went out there and my chiropractor Eric Gorman is from Oregon and loves Oregon. So he's like, hey, let's go out here because he's the best. And Marcus was out there. So that was the first time in 10 years we actually trained together. And it was such a surreal moment because Marcus was the one that was showing me to exercise. I was like, dang, like, Marcus, you didn't have this upper hand on me this whole time.

my mind you could have been put me on, dog, like, what's going on? But it was such a respectable moment because, you know, I got a chance to meet his wife then. And he was, I remember him playing soccer with his wife at prolific athletes. Like, his mental was already ahead, like, to focusing on his family, his journey.

Like, he wasn't into all the things that I was into. He was focused on, like, man, I got my family. I'm about to have this opportunity. I'm going to focus on that. I was focusing on, man, I got this opportunity. I'm about to make the most of it. We're about to win the Super Bowl, man. I just won the championship, man.

It's unstoppable. And this is the only person that beat me in my college career. So I know I'm going to be better to him. I'm focusing from that lens. But he's focusing from more of a creative mindset. It's like I have my family. I have my gifts. I'm going to steward debt.

And I'm going to go to, I'm focusing more from the competitive mindset. Like, I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be due. I'm going to do this and that. And you can never have success focus from the competitive mindset. Right. You have to remain creative because. If you're competitive, you focus on one thing and one thing open.

But when you create a, you're able to adapt. You're able to make a transition when a transition is required. It's such a breath of fresh air because you talked to the normal thing with, I'll just speak for football players because what I remember is like you always find something. I got some special kids. You always sit there and you're like, you know, I got a chip in my shoulder. And then you start to have success. And you feel that chip in your shoulder kind of going away.

But then somebody gets drafted ahead of you or somebody does what they say, a better, for me, a better tackle than me. And it was like, that's all I needed to replant this, this chip on my shoulder. So, like, did you, Marcus ever, like, 10 years later sit down and be like, the way I approached the competition between us, I favor the way you did it over the way I did it. There was ever that, like, transparent conversation between you. No, we haven't had our yearly heart to heart yet. No.

We have not done that. But, no, what we had was just a moment of grace, a moment of peace. I was like, man, bro, like, I'm grateful you're still in the lead, man. He's like, bro, I'm grateful. Like, you're still in the lead. Like, bro, we did it. We live in our dream together. So no matter what was our initial approach when we first started, we are here now.

So let's focus on what we're going to do moving forward. And like, and when he had his great game in Washington, I shot him a tix. When I had a few good games, he shot me a tics. And that is a relationship that we never developed through the course of 10 years, but with maturity, with growth, what, gratefulness and understanding that, man, it's bigger than me. I can't let this game get in between some of the relationships and from the, in front of the good people that I have in my life.

Yeah. You're known for your speeches. When was the first speech you gave, how old were you? When you stood up, you're like, all right, I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to stay up in front of this team and I'm going to deliver something. I don't know what it's going to be, but I got to say something. Man, I always had something to say. So by that, I've never been short winning in the breath.

You know, like, and I remember like the Bustman Tiger days. I'm like, man, we're going to go and tear their heads off, man. These boys can't mess with us. I remember the murder, murder, kill, kill. Guess what happened? On the field, Bustle my tigers got crumped. The other team got stumped, you know? Like, that's just the way of the land.

Like, you guys sitting here like, yeah, right. But I'm just saying, like, y'all probably's over there. Who are we? Yeah. Yeah, let's rip their heads on, no doubt. We're going to out bear crawl them today. Come on, brother. And we're thinking about, we're kicking the door down.

Boy, what's y'all doing over there? You know what I'm saying? Well, honestly. But honestly, bro, like, I feel like the Lord stewing me with a voice. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

Huge news. We created our own. podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers...

This is... how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this. your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. And I felt like early on in my career that voice was taken away from me because of my energy being put to trying to prove to everybody who I was. And when you are in a place of proving and constantly proving, you lose sight of your true growth. You lose sight of that true

grace that you should give yourself. You lose sight of who you truly are because you so immersed what someone else is thinking. And like one thing I love about just about Jesus in general, like when I forget what chapter was, but I know in Matthew 633, he talks about seeking first the kingdom of the Lord and all his righteousness. When someone is asking him, like, what two things should I take with me to be able to get into heaven?

And he says, first, seek first to kingdom of God and all his righteousness and all things will be given to you. And the second thing, he says, love thy neighbor as thyself. And when I get to that point, obviously, like, everything I do is for my faith, my foundation is in the Lord. But when I get to love thy neighbor as thyself, when I be speaking to young kids, I'd be like, man, he says love thy neighbor as thyself. So if you're not loving yourself, if you're not putting sweat equity in time into

yourself, you will not be able to physically love your neighbor. you will not be able to physically serve someone else if you're not focusing on what you can do to be the solution for you. And that really just sit with me and it encourages me every single day, like when I'm, me, new people, when I'm talking to my teammates, when I'm kissing my babies, is like, man, I'm about to love my baby as I love myself. But first, I got to make sure that my prology is straight. I got to make sure that I'm doing things in an efficient way. I got to make sure that I'm acting and not just saying. I got to make sure that I'm doing all these things for me to be able to be physically and mentally able to love someone else and serve someone else in a capacity that I may want to be

served in. That's beautiful. I know that's deep, you know what I'm saying. I don't be trying to hit y'all with Bible service, but it's just a guy. I just take it one in this podcast. It's touching you right now. It's the God in me. Has it always came natural?

Like whether it's you're, you know, trying to rally the troops in middle school, high school, has that always came natural to you? It has. It has always came now. I've never been really lost for words, man. And I'm grateful for that. My dad has obviously, he's been my coach coming up. And it was kind of a way for me to get on some of my teammates' butts

because it was always my fault. You know what I'm saying? Like he was always trying to hype me up and like, be like, you need to do this. You need to do that. Like, he stayed on me. He pushed me to that maximum level. So I'm like, he's going to push me.

I'm going to push y'all last because y'all don't understand what I'm going through at home. Y'all, y'all, y'all just at practice. Y'all just at practice, y'all ain't, y'all ain't make, y'all ain't in there blowing off them small cassette tapes. So your dad, for your dad, because we got old BC, VHS cassette tape that we got to put in a little thing and then put it in the, in the, in the, in the BCR, and then rewind it. And we're sitting there watching tape of our little league games.

I'm like, Dad, like, does, this, this, my uncle, man, you got to record all our games. Like, yes, you've been to watch this tape. You're about to see what you did. Why are you foot one right there? Like that, I don't know. Like, I'm trying to have fun. So, how old are you when that's happening? Man, I started watching film when I was six years old, man.

Like, literally, no, literally old VHS tapes, man. My dad pulling me in the back room like, hey, man, you done with your homework? Yes, all right. Come on in here. Like, literally, go give me that little tape right there. When they had the libyty tapes, like the little cassette tape that you would put inside the VHS because they're like they ain't how to. Because you'd have the camcorder.

Yeah, you had the little tape. You got the little tape. Put it in the little adapter. Yeah. And then push it in there, man. Like, I was like, man. And then, you know, literally he takes my uncle man up there, God rest of his soul. Like, he just seen me scoring a touchdown.

The film over there. Go, Jay Boo. Go, Jay Boo. I'm scoring a touchdown over there. I'm like, Dad, what are I supposed to be looking at right here? My son, if I hit you in your mouth. Like, Dad, I'm just saying, obviously, it was a touchdown. You know what I'm saying?

It ain't about the touchdown. You can't get a touchdown until you got a first down. Did you get a first down? But I got a touchdown. Dad, how many first downs was the amount of y'all's that I had to get the first down? But no, I credit my dad for like really giving me that voice, man, because he was always encouraging me to, one, be accountable with what I'm doing. And two, if you see something, say something.

If you feel something, say something. Don't just sit here and look at me and tell me I was fin to say this, but you know what? I ain't want to say it because I thought you was going to get mad at me. Who does that help? You don't have nobody. Yeah. That's a massive piece of advice.

You know what I'm saying? How do you deal with that? So six years old, you're watching. film. Yeah. Like we all, every, I think every human being goes through that rebellious phase in their 13, 14, that testosterone starts a hit a little bit different. Yeah. You start focusing on girls a little bit more. You start getting more rebellious towards your parents. How did you handle? Did you ever have a rebellious phase with your father or anybody? Uh, man, the one of the toughest times in my life was, uh, was 2019, man. When I felt like I was growing as a man, as an individual, uh, but my dad was

going through some some pains i i lost my grandmother his mother uh the year before and uh and my uncle uh my uncle died on my birthday you know uh you know it was just an early phase of covid on my birthday of 2019 and um it was tough for him and that was one the first well he was he died the next year but he was battling sicknesses and stuff and it was tough for him and he decided like i'm not going to go to any of your game and like uh oh I'm okay. I'm going to, if we playing New York, you know what I'm saying? He don't like flying.

I get that, you know, but you're not coming to the end of my home games. He's like, no, I just don't, I don't think so. I don't think I'm going to come to any of your games. And it was the first time where, like, me and him was like bumping heads. I was like, hold on now. Like, man, like this, one is my contract year. Like, two, like, I need you now more than ever. You know what I'm saying?

You've been in my life. I'm fortunate to have a dad in my life. And you decided not to come to my games. This whole time, I found out that my uncle was sick after that. Like, he just was going through it because of his mom. And I've never seen him in that way. And he didn't allow me to see him in that way until I was down bad until, you know, until I'm going into the Bucks facility in the middle of COVID, training my butt off,

like, knowing that the world is shut down. But I see signs of TB12 being built in the middle of COVID. I said, now how in the hell are they able to build a TB12 in the middle of COVID? And like, and nothing is announced yet. But I'm going to the facility still. I'm like, man, I'm going to get a chance to work with Tom Brady. Oh, my goodness. It's going to be amazing.

And then breaking news. Tom Brady has just signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And I'm just sitting there like, I knew that TB 12. There ain't done nothing to happen by coincidence. Like, I'm sitting there getting my life and I'm going through it with my dad. Like, I just been broke an NFL record with 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions. Like, I ain't nobody going to ever break that ever. They just, they're not confident enough.

But, but, but man, I just had this. And at the same time, like, like, me and my dad, we're going through it because I'm like, man, like, this is my biggest year ever. And you're like, and you're not dead for me. But I little bad, I was like, man, I wouldn't, I wouldn't death for you either. Because in sometimes in African American communities, like, yeah, we have a dad present, but we're not consistently communicating with our father all the time. It's through sports. It's through discipline where we are communicating with our fathers.

We never sit there and have the quality time because our fathers are either grinding or out to have just a heart-to-heart conversation. You know, and that's why I take pride of, like, sitting down at a table with my wife and kids and saying, like, man, if you could change anything about the world today, like, what would you change? Just giving them that authority that, like,

you can speak to me about anything. I want to know what impact are you. willing to make into this world. And I do believe that my relationship with my dad has grown since those two years just because we actually had to see each other both and down stages. And we didn't want either us to be in that role. But there was things internally that we both was facing that we had no choice but to confess and come out with because we both were in a down, bad situation. Question for you with your dad. Oh, yes, a role. We'll get him in.

What's, you got me curious now because obviously your dad was hard on you in a great way. I mean, it led you to be the player that you are, the man that you are. As you being a father now, everything you've learned from being, you know, fathered by your dad, how do you approach fatherhood with your kids knowing like, okay, they never did sit down and have the tough conversations or have the vulnerabilities or when you're sitting at dinner and everything else? How has your dad raised and you helped you be the father that you are? Whether it's I'm going to take the things that he taught me,

and also I'm going to do things a little bit differently, you know, against the things that I feel like I did not get for him from him as a kid. Well, I'm so blessed and grateful that the time and the support that my wife gives me with my children of how. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.

So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the René. A Stub's Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris.

Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck.

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You know, we didn't have heartbreak. We didn't have upsets. But, man, when I view my kids and I know I'm loving her and I'm willing to sacrifice and provide and protect her, when I'm looking at my babies, I want my babies to do as I do and not do as I say. So when I'm with them, I'm intentional with my words. I'm intentional with my actions because I want them to be young men of action. And right now, like, they're six and four anyway.

So what I'm really saying, they really probably not listen or hearing me. me. I know one of them definitely not listening to hearing me, but I do it with simple things. I engage with them by what they want, you know, because I want my babies to know what they heart truly desires because I know I always knew, well, honestly, I wanted to be a foot doctor, but I always knew I wanted to be an NFL Super Bowl winning quarterback. Plan B was foot doctor. You know what I'm saying? Plan B was a podages because of the woman sent Yahabdi who inspired me to be a foot doctor because she was taking care of my grandma feet and my daddy feet. So that's a long story. But anyway,

For my babies, man, I just want them to do as I do and not do as I say, man. And I want to continue to be this man of increase. And I want them to see me encountering with other people and leading other people so that they can know like, hey, this is, this is just what we do. This isn't, this ain't no facade. Like my daddy is the best daddy in the world because of his actions, not because of what he's saying. Not because what he necessarily tell me or write down in his journal. You know, I think that's an important part too. I have, I got my receipts.

You know, I got, I keep my journal. You know what I'm saying? So when I'm writing stuff down, like, I'm like, I'm going to read this. My six-year-old son, he'll sit there and read what I just said. So now we're doing tangible things. Like, man, what you writing that down for? Like, shoot, I wrote down, I'm kind. I'm grateful.

I'm confident, man, because I need those affirmations just as much as you, my son. You know, okay. So you're talking to yourself. I'm like, well, yes, I'm talking to myself, but we have the ability to speak. life into ourselves. So you're still talking to yourself, though, Dad. I'm like, but it's okay to talk to yourself. We actually talk to ourselves more than anybody else.

And you're like, okay. And you don't understand the impact that you're making because they're still processing. Small brick by brick. Yes, it is. It's a process, man. That is awesome. It is, dog. As two guys with kids as well, that's awesome to hear.

You're doing everything you can. I know y'all do the same thing. He's got boys. I know, I know. Y'all got girls. I'm praying for a girl. Two girls, two girls. They're the best.

I would love an heir to the throne. Yeah, the throne. I just need one. This question is so tailored to you. I hope you embrace it and you love it. It's halftime. The three of us were down three scores. We got to rally the troops.

What are you saying to the boys at halftime? Coach, looks at everybody. He says a couple of words. James, bring them up. Hey, y'all, it's zero, zero. What happened? Already happened, but it ain't nothing that we can do but act now. Let's act now.

Let's get busy. Let's go out there and let's dominate the line of scrimmage first. Let's make sure that we execute in the red zone. We're going to get down there. I'm going to throw it all over there, but let's make sure that we are populating the football on defense. Let's make sure that we are attacking the football on offense. I'm talking to y'all receivers because I'm going to let you get it. All right.

Here we go. Team on three. One, two, three team. Beautiful. Beautiful. Brother, thank you for your time. This has been incredible. Legitimately.

Thank you so much. It's been a minute. We've been one that make this happen for a while. and I've been talking with Joe. But sincerely, thank you for coming on. No, thank you, bro. I'm grateful for you. Thank you.

Yes, sir. I appreciate you. Yes, sir. Appreciate you. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being and ask questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art.

The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's an outsider to win the French win. And she likes Clay.

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