Bussin' With The Boys - Best Of The Bus: Josh Dobbs Breaks Down What Happened In The 2023 Titans Vs Jaguars Game

Episode Date: April 4, 2026

With Josh Dobbs making waves on the internet we thought we'd share his time on the bus.    Recorded: January 9 2022 | This weeks episode features Titans QB Josh Dobbs fresh off their game against the Jaguars. He speaks on their devastating loss and what he would have done differently in the game. Dobbs also dives into his time with the Steelers, Browns and the Lions and what it is like being a journeyman backup QB in the NFL. The Boys then dive into outer space talk and pick the brain of our smartest guest of all time. Also the Boys react react to the firing of Titans OC Todd Downing and others. Buckle up and enjoy the ride.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Jacksonville game that just happened. Some decisions that he should or should not have made. Did he know his third down? Did he know it was fourth down? Did he think it was third down? Why the checkdown? Why the checkdown? Was that a forward pass?

We talked about his past at Tennessee. Jack McPherson had an incredible question for him late in the podcast. Real, real, real late. But he came in with a haymaker of a question. It was incredible. Man's an astrophysicist. Is he? He's a rocket scientist.

He's a rocket scientist. He's a certified rocket science. He started talking. Like, literally, we, like, Will's like, what else should we talk about? Oh, rocket scientist. And he started laying down information using words that I have to go Google later. I had to call Charles, ask her about the definition of some of those words. I was mouth wide open.

You were consuming all of it, dude. It was truly incredible. I hope you guys enjoy. It is awesome. It's the tear talk. He's the tear talk. Now, the tear talk was our favorite planets. So you're going to have to look into that.

It might sound very elementary, but I think you're going to get a lot of good information in that boy. We're going to paint a nice little picture for you. Someone got a little mad during their spiel. I'm not going to say who it was. I'm not going to point fingers by it. Some individual sitting in a chair right now probably didn't handle their tear talk the best way they probably could have.

They were very aggressive. Now, on this podcast, We in real time found out about the firing of Todd Downing, Keith Carter, and I believe his name is Anthony Midget. I say, I believe, because I literally have said 16 words to Anthony Midgett since he was on the Titans. It is Black Monday, so there's a lot of like turnover happening in the league right now. Yeah. And so that is something you will see. My reaction, I didn't know how to react, really.

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I'm stoked. And also, like, everything I transpired the last three weeks, two weeks? I don't know how long it's been. It's been like 20 days? No way. You're saying? I think the game was 18 days. Wow.

That's crazy. You got to put that mic up a little closer to your face. When we do start, we're kind of rolling right now. It can be staying. If it doesn't, it doesn't. When you got the call, where were you when you got the call from the Titans? So I was in the Q, in the QB meeting after the, So I woke up in Cleveland.

And so like Detroit to Cleveland was like two hours. So I was driving back to Cleveland on the off days just so I could sit in my own bed, wash my underwear, and then go back. So we played in New York on Sunday. Landed. I drove back to Cleveland for the night, shipped home, all my Christmas stuff, like washed my bag. I had like four pairs of sweatpants. And I packed for the week and then Christmas to go home. Yeah.

So I drove to Detroit, had practice. I went through like a full basically Wednesday. And then I was in the QB meeting afterwards. And they're like, my agent called me. I practiced. I called him back. He said, hey, I think the Titans want to sign you. And he's like, all right, this could be one of those things where they call.

And like, nothing happens or it could happen fast or just keep your phone on you. I was like, I'm back. I went back to the meeting. Just out there with phone on silent and then it starts buzzing. So as my agent calling, he's like, yeah, they want to sign you. And then Ryan called. And then I walked back in the room and said, you, I got a flight to catch an 815.

No way. Is it a team meeting or what meeting was? A quarterback meeting? Yeah. Quarterback meeting? Willie was officially on the bus for those of you. Yeah, we just started, I mean, talking. And then I saw the numbers rolling, so I thought we might as well just get going.

My man's in Cleveland. So I'm assuming you live in Cleveland full time. That's like I'm talking. No, no. No, kind of like a nomad. Like I want to make Nashville home. Yeah. So I just have a apartment up there.

I just had it through the season. It ends of February. And you were driving from Cleveland to Detroit. Driving from Cleveland to Detroit. My man had a just pack for like the week and then Christmas. And he's sitting in meetings in Detroit. He, uh, during practice, gets a call from his agent, calls his agent back.

He's like, hey, the Titans might want to sign you. But you don't know, like it might be one of those things. Who knows what's going on? On fourth, right? He's sitting in a meeting. His phone starts going off. He picks up the phone. And he's like, yeah, they definitely want to sign you.

And then he gets on the phone with RC, Ryan Cowden. And then that's where we're at right now. So he's like, hey, you walk. you walk back in the meeting and you're like, I got to go. I was like, well, he's like, there's an 815 flight. Can you make it? It's like 6 o'clock in Detroit. And they're like, we want you to dress on Saturday.

And it's Tuesday. I'm like, I got to make that 815 flight. So I can get there at least, like get a good night's sleep, like get the playbook as early as possible. I was like, yeah, I'll make it. So I went straight in the room and said, I know I've been here for two weeks, but I got to head to the airport. The Titans are shining me. Like shook. Jared, Nate, brew, shook everyone's hands,

a QB room, so it was up to the O.C. upstairs and the GM, went straight to the airport. So I'm still on that same bag. I got like four pairs of sweatpants, two pairs of jeans, just thugging it. Just tugging through it, dude. That's wild. What's the head coach's name for the Lions?

Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell. What was his, you were there for two weeks, but what was his vibe? Because he seems like a football guy. He seems like a... People would argue, not us. We're not going to argue this,

but people are saying he might be cool with the Mike Rable. from like a vibe standpoint. I would say they're both up there because they played. You know what I mean? Like they get it. Just like the ebbs and flows of a season, like the emotions of it. As players, like getting away for practice on a Wednesday late in the season. Like they just get it. Like they walk in the room, they get it.

Yeah. He was cool. Like the culture of there was awesome. Which is crazy to say about the lions. Yeah, the culture of that was awesome. I was really impressed. Because you know how the lions were like when I got drafted in 14, they were picking at 10. And I was like, fuck, dude.

I do not want to go to Detroit. I was legit like, man, I do. not want to go live back in Michigan again. I was begging not to get picked there. Well, so, like, just in my process, so I got released for Cleveland. Well, we'll get into that. But, like, so I was like, either

going to go back to Cleveland, I ended up going to Denver, working on Denver, and then visiting in Detroit. And, like, even I was there, like, the night before the game. And it was like, you could just feel the vibe in the building. Like, just like everyone around it. They just are, just like, focused on the right things. They have a ton of

like coaches that are players, like, on their whole staff. Right. So they just get it. Like, the vibe is really, really good up there. I enjoyed it.

Are you, are you, pulling form for the playoffs? Are you, like, are you pumped for the boys? Women. Oh, wait, they got eliminated because Seahawks won.

Look at me. Yeah, no, you're good. We'll cut that out. That's all right. Yeah, that was tough. We bet the bus comes back. You'll be dialed in. Yeah.

We'll cut that out. You're good. I didn't take my, uh, black label, my own-in black label. Yeah. I think that's,

uh, not NSF certified either. Yeah, I need that performance enhancing. You need that right now? You know what I'm saying? So you're in Cleveland. You're active at Cleveland. So I was the two all year in Cleveland.

Gotcha. I want you to talk about Cleveland. Yeah, I want to hear about Cleveland. I want to hear about Cleveland. You know what I mean? If you seem like a normal guy, and then you're paired, you're in the same room as a super horny guy in Cleveland, I want to find out, like, how that dynamic works with you guys.

Yeah, I got to hear the stories. You know what I'm saying? Like, did he come off that horny, or you're like, oh, he might not be as horny as they're saying. Oh, he got the rookies of masseuse. Each person got a Christmas present. So the whole line here's a massage therapist. I can't, I cannot, I can't, I can't speak on that.

But he's a normal dude. No, he's a normal dude. I like to show him once. And I think at this point, he's a normal dude. He's a normal dude. He's the horniest that you've ever met? We all got our, you know what I mean? Everyone has a horny guy.

Horniest guy ever met? There's two Mike Campanaro and Rob Moji. Those are the two horniest people I ever met. Horny boys. Hornie boys. I feel like Chase Rice would be. up there. Chase Rice, he was like a horny boy. He was a limited sample size.

He performed in my golf tournament last year. How horny was he? We, uh, so we, yeah, yeah, it's not in the back. We took cameras that go back there now. Watch your heads. Watch your heads. We took them out in Knoxville after the tourney. He enjoyed the streets of Knoxville.

Yeah, I'm sure. He enjoyed the streets of Knoxville. We've got ourselves a line, boys. He had a good time. So when you're in Cleveland, you are the two in Cleveland. Are you the two up into the point that Deshawn came back? Yeah. Okay, that's how it was working.

Those are two until Deshaun came back. They claimed the QB at the end of camp. So we had like three, but like four when Deshaun is coming back. So they're trying to keep the room together. They're like, if we release you, you feel like you'll clear waivers so we can like keep all four guys together. Get you back on practice squad and stuff? Yeah, give me back on practice squad and stuff.

But I was like, all right, like if you release me, basically, my season there's done. Like, Deshawn's coming back and stuff. I'm like, sure I'm trying to go somewhere, like play and like see what other situation. Because like every week, like you can just guys know how it is. Like every week you look around like, Kuibe goes down, something shakes up. So I was like, I want to put myself in a position where teams know like, hey, I want to go somewhere and play, whether it's for two weeks or however it may be from the end of the season. So that's why I ended up taking the visit to Denver and ended up going to Detroit really like the culture there.

And like I'd been like they tried to trade for me a couple times early in my career. So I'm going to go there, check it out. And then shoot it worked out where I got here. Yeah. So you opted out of signing back on. practice squad with the Browns because you wanted to put it out there like, yo, I'm trying to go play. I'm not trying to be in a four-man room and low-key be at the bottom. Exactly.

Correct. Like, I felt like, I mean, you're getting demoted. And they're saying, I guess, not for performance. It's just for logistics. But it's like, all right, so I guess how it is. Like, in the league, you have to look out for yourself and shoot, like figure out your path and your career and try to set up an opportunity, make an opportunity for yourself if you're not just given an opportunity.

So that's what I felt like what's the best bet for me. It seems like you saying that you have to look out for yourself. Like I feel like when I first got in the league and you might feel this way too, but when I first got in the league to now, that phrase looking at for yourself has become much more vocalized throughout the league. Like people are starting to understand more like not only in the locker room because you know in the locker room, guys got to look up for themselves. You got to get paid and do whatever. Sure. But like from a public perception as well, people are starting to understand that when you're in the NFL, like you might love being a part of the team. But if there's a better opportunity elsewhere, like you can't really fault the guy.

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think, like, people, like, see that guys are their own businesses, right? Off the field and on the field. And every situation shakes out differently. So you have to put yourself in the right position for you to succeed. And shoot as a business.

So you have to treat it that way. Yeah. When you were in Cleveland, what's your mindset like, like going in there knowing that you're the backup and that all the, the whole Deshaun Watson thing was kind of up in the air? What's your mentality, like, going in a training camp and how you're going to sit? Because I would almost think if I'm in your situation, like you kind of, I would almost feel like I'm a play setter here until he gets back. Was that kind of the mentality? Did you feel like you could, you know, make something shaking training camp to where you could

potentially be the guy? Like, talk about your entire mindset while being actually. Yeah, it was, I mean, going into the room into the year, we all knew it was going to be interesting. When you signed three brand new quarterbacks that haven't been there with the Sean Jacoby and myself. So we kind of all knew. Then, obviously, we knew how I was going to shake out based on like how they're paying

guys. Like, hey, this is kind of the pecking order. But, I mean, I kind of kind of. just went in there with the mentality of, hey, just maximize my reps and camp, even though I might not get a lot. Like, go out, have a really good preseason. And then something shakes out in the season, then go out and play well. And then if it doesn't, you'll at least set yourself up, whether it's to be back in Cleveland or for another opportunity after. So, yeah, I mean, it was an interesting situation, a unique situation with it just the whole dynamic.

You almost think, too, like a decision wasn't made yet with the NFL and everything else. You're like, you're thinking, I could legit be the backup. Like, this could they, this thing could go. For the whole year long, yeah. Exactly, we didn't know until like three weeks into camp what the NFL was going to do. So that was interesting, but you always obviously knew they were going to make a decision. So there would be an opportunity there. But we're just kind of working through it.

When you were at Tennessee, obviously Tennessee is a huge school. And like you're a big name guy. Like everyone knows about Josh Dobbs. You go to, you're drafted by Pittsburgh, correct? When you're in Pittsburgh, what, like, how was your experience there? But like, were you thinking like, all right, Ben's. coming up he's about to be done like i'm next in line were you was that like your mindset that was definitely that was definitely the thought because they so when i got drafted there it was ben

landry jones and then myself and then those were the only three quarterbacks and so at the time ben had just in the offseason been going back and forth of if he was going to retire um or not and so i was like okay like ben i know he wants to win another super bowl so we had a really good team like my rookie year and we almost won it yeah um so it's like we went another super bowl and then there would be an opportunity. But Ben ended up playing for five more years, like, once I got drafted. So, yeah, it didn't shake out the way that I foresaw it. But it was so cool, like, being, like working with Ben and just,

and just seeing how he plays the game because he plays it so much differently than a lot of quarterbacks around the league. So just learning from him being around him, we have a cool relationship now. So I enjoyed my time there. Is there a perception publicly have been that you feel like people get wrong about, with his preparation and how he plays the game. You just said he plays it differently than... Yeah.

You know, I think, like, he gets the perception of, like, Ben's a guy that doesn't watch film and stuff, but the stuff he does on game day, he definitely, like, watch his film. He just doesn't do it, maybe, like, at the complex or, like, running from your face. But when he goes home, he's definitely studying because so much of the offense was on him,

just to kind of freelance of the line of scrimmage, like, pick his plays. Like, a lot of times there would be no play. Like, Ben's calling the game on the field. And you can't do that if you're not. studying, preparing, watching some type of tape to get a feel for the opponents. Those were really impressive. Like, we would go to practice and we would call like no huddle.

And you know, like you get the practice script before practice has like 50 plays or whatever is on the play. This is like for OTAs in the camp. And you would get the practice script, there wouldn't be one play on it. The quarterbacks will call the entire practice. So you just get the line and you look at the situations like first and ten left hash. And you just call whatever play you want it because that's what I've been with doing the game sometimes.

And so it was cool, like, you're basically like a low O.C. Right. And your own plays. Yeah, that's a real. That's some NCAA 14 shit. Getting a feel for it. So, like, as a rookie, you're out there calling drive and forverts every play, just to find a completion, take a shot.

But then once you get in, like, year two, year three, you're like, all right, let me try to set them up. Let me, let me call this. Let me try to throw this guy. So you get to actually, like, work the game and work on, like, being a play caller. Who are you asking questions to them to kind of learn about two men and everything else? If it's, like, quarterback gets to kind of call their script, Are you like really asking Ben, like, hey, what's going on in your mind?

Why are you calling X, Y, and Z? I would ask him a little bit, but he kind of like, he doesn't really like to talk about, like, why he does. He kind of likes to just do it. And then you can, like, ask him for little stuff. But he's just playing chess at all time. He's just playing chess at all time. So really good. He's playing multiple games.

Yeah, okay, I'll give you a little bit, but not too much because I want to play as long as. Exactly. So I would, what would you do is like, you'll watch him. Like, he'll call a couple plays. And then this is the funny thing. Like, some of the plays that he liked, you didn't really know if you didn't. didn't like him or couldn't really execute him until you didn't it. It was like he would call a play.

And then you would go in because it looked cool and call it. And it wouldn't work. Like I ain't ever call it that play again. But no, it's smooth. Like two minute, two minute in practice, the QV will get to call it. So you're kind of like dialing up. But you guys had like basic stuff like the Titans do, right? Where you have a number system or like different code names.

We had the number system or stuff that you could get through at tempo. But clock stop out of bounds, especially in a practice situation. Like come to a hurdle. If you were feeling it, you could just call whatever play you want. go from there. Damn, that's a lot of pressure. Because you got to know situationally, like, what the hell is going on too. Exactly.

You're like, well, we always were practiced that you needed a touchdown to win. So you could be impressive at spots. But it was cool because you were put in that pressure cooker situation. And it was all on you. You know, like sometimes like QBSA, they can get handcuffed with plays. Sometimes they, oh, I didn't like that play. Yeah. So then you throw a pick or incomplete behind the chains.

But it was you picking the play. I mean, you can't. There's no excuse. It's on you. Yeah. I wonder how the OC feels about that. If you have the title of OC at Pittsburgh with with them, you're like, I'm really not really, I'm not just here to watch the game.

Yeah. You'd almost like, because you're, you ultimately want to play into the strengths of your players. Like you have somebody like Ben Rothesburg there has been doing a long time. I'm sure they've had plenty of conversations to where it's like, hey, do your thing out there. Yeah. Yeah. I think it comes from like Coach T just giving players that freedom. I mean, they know Ben, Ben's like a point guard back there.

Yeah. With the way he plays, gets the ball of his hands. It almost just be disrespectful. but in the situation of the Titans, say Dobbs comes in and Braves looks at Todd and it's like, hey, don't worry about calling too minute. Josh Dobbs is going to call it. Then that's where I feel like you probably feel some type of way

of like a coordinator like, fuck, man, you want to. You just go out here. Arms cross. I kind of just waiting to see what happens. Dude, since we're talking about the Titans, I definitely, like, you signed and you were starting that week. Like, talk about your mental space leading up to that week. Because you started twice.

You started twice now. Like you just literally was thrown into the fire. It was crazy. With the Tennessee Titans. Like talk about you signing. You get here. You realize, okay, they might want to sign me to where, oh, I'm the fucking guy this week. I better get my shit going.

It was, um. Hold on. Before you answer that, did they say you were the guy right away? So they so. Because I know obviously Malik, right? Yeah. So the first week, the first week I didn't start. But they said, we want you to dress.

So I got there Wednesday morning and the game was Saturday. And they're like, we're going to dress. you as the two for the game. So I was like, okay, I could play. And then the next day was Christmas after the game, they said, hey, can you come back early because we think we're going to start you Thursday night against the Cowboys?

I say, yeah, for sure. I mean, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like, outside looking at, right, it's a crazy situation. Like, bro, you've been there like a week. Like, you got to go start this game. Like, there's a lot of pressure behind it, all this stuff.

But from, like, inside looking out, like me, it's like to start. started NFL football game is something I've been waiting on for six years. So for you to say like, okay, you got five days to get ready for it. That's plenty of time. You know what I mean? That's almost a lot of time to get ready for it to understand they play book. I mean, I got nothing else to do.

I got one bag of clothes. You know, I had nowhere to go. Yeah. So it's just a tremendous opportunity, man, just to go out there, play ball. You know, I thought, obviously I expected to have more starts before going into my six year. but to get that opportunity to go out and play and play well and just embrace it had a lot of fun with it on prime time too against the cowboys prime time against the cowboys at home i mean there's there's there's there's nothing there's nothing better than that yeah what you live for you live for those

opportunities just to go out and when you're in Nashville Tennessee and you play the Dallas Cowboys on primetime there is no home game regardless of you're in Nashville or you're in Dallas there oh dude that's how was my rookie year too we played that we were in silent the whole game i mean at that point we won one game It was like week 13. We were like, all right. We did the same thing. We were like, let's go silent.

And it also worked because we knew we were going to play in Jacksonville. It's going to be rocking anyway. So it might as well practice it, especially, but it'd be my first time doing it. You make it played well. Once you get past the first couple plays, where were the nerves leading up to the game. Yeah. Like you're excited. You're like, you have plenty of time to get ready for a game.

Like you're in the book. You're in the book. You're in the book. You're in the book. Yeah. And then the day comes and it's a night game. So it's like, man, now I got to chill in that hotel. You're sitting in that fucking hotel all day.

Yeah, talk about the mindset, the nerves a little bit. You're like, it's fucking. Yeah. So it's like you rather just wake up and play. You know, just get the one o'clock game so you don't have to sit all day. Because you sit in the hotel all day. You look at the game playing a thousand times. And then by the end of it, you're like, all right, what are they going?

You're trying to play the game in your head. You're trying to anticipate plays. And then, shoot, you haven't been out there since the preseason. So the first couple of plays, like, it was moving fast. Like, guys were flying around. It's like you saw what coverage they were in But just Then going out and like actually

Like okay I got to catch the ball I got to execute the play rather than just mentally executing it It took a couple of plays just to get back in the group But once I got back in the flow it was smooth It was just like all right this is just football And that's like that's like the best thing Like anytime you make the jump from any level right First time playing in high school

You know you're nervous about the first game College same thing And about the same thing Because you're nervous about the speed of the game You're nervous about whatever the opposing players are, and then you get out there, it's just football. Same game I've been playing for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah, but it does move a lot faster. It does move a lot faster. Those five days, you're like, oh, that's plenty of time to get ready mentally for a game, like learning the playbook. How much time did you take and look at, like, the personnel? Because you, coming to your situation,

for you individually is an amazing situation because you're like, I'm looking to start, I'm looking to play. Tennessee gave you that. And you're like, all right, that's awesome. Let's check that out of the list. Now you look at the roster and you go, holy fuck. There's a lot guy.

There's no, like, this is a loose term. There's nobody on the team anymore. Well, you're playing with guys that weren't original starters week one. Yeah. So, yeah, so when I signed, I looked at the roster and the first user scroll through the roster. See who you know. Like, okay, I got into this guy. And I looked, I got down in this, like, injury reserved.

Yeah. That was, like, longer than looking at the active roster. Yeah, dude. Like, dang, there's so many guys out. So, no, there's a lot of young players. I think that was like... And going into a situation where they're all, like, three or four-game losing streak. Yeah, they're what, we lost seven in a row?

Seven. Yeah, so they're five at that point, right? Yeah. It was four because you came in and you were sitting behind Malik. When you, yeah. Yeah, but go, so like, how did you work through that process? Did you get with a couple receivers and be like, listen. Like, you go, like, Robert Woods is the first person that comes to mine.

For sure. He's been to leave for a while. Before he got hurt, he had four 1,000 yard seasons. Like, if, without playing quarterback ever, I'm thinking, okay, I need a lifeline guy around here. Like, Austin Hooper, I need Robert Woods. Like, were there guys you wouldn't have approached? It was like, this is, I don't know what the, going on, but I need to know that I need somebody to bail me out once in a while.

Yeah, so I would just tell them just like, stick with me. Like that was the biggest thing on the silence. Like, hey, you'll stick with me. We have to scramble, especially like Woody. Yeah. Because I knew like those guys have played a ton of ball. And so I was like, yo, just stick with me. But the crazy thing was, um, so for the Thursday night game, we didn't get any live

reps in practice because it was a short week. It's all like walk through, joggers. Late in the year. I mean, that's, yeah, that's how it is. Which is fantastic late in the year. But if you're just coming into it, you're like, damn, bro, I could use some full speed. Some of the throws. in the game, that was like the first time I'd ever thrown that route to the, to the receiver

live. Like we threw, try to throw trailing a strike. It was about a foot behind him. He was like, it was like back hip. I was like, that's the first live strike route I've thrown to him in my life. Yeah. We're doing it like 30, seven, you know, in the middle of third quarter, a huge play. So it was like little things like that that you had to work through.

Yeah, it was a crazy process. What's it meant for you to get that opportunity after, uh, waiting patiently for six years? It was awesome. that you've had such a lot of pivots along the way like being drafted by pittsburg getting traded being cut being on practice squad being on i r like you've you've had a lot of different situations come about then you go on practice squad for a couple weeks with detroit you get a call oh shit i'm going to tennessee you're you're dressing that week and then you're starting these last two games like what is that meant to you like with all the time that's gone by in your career

it was it was awesome meant the world you know i wish obviously the result of it of the two stars was a little different. But just to be out there and play, it's like, I tell everyone this, everyone's asking me, like, what is it like? Because people, you know, hype, like, oh, you're a backup cordial and leave.

That's, like, the easiest job in the world. You're just chilling, like, watching other people play. That is something that is largely thought of. I think that right now. I'm ready for you to change my mind. McCoy every year. I'm like, yo, you're fucking living the dream, go win a couple games a year and then,

yeah, exactly, middle reliever. Yeah. This is what I tell them, it's like, those, like, in high school, you have, like, the biggest test of your life. Especially, like, before your first start. life. It's basically like going to decide if you get to go on and do everything you want in this world or not, right? And so you prepare every single week and you know that test is going to

come on Friday. So every single week, Monday, you wake up, you prepare for the test, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, got the butterflies in your stomach and you wake up Friday and you don't take the test. And then you do it again next week. And you do it again next week. Oh, damn. That is it. And then for me, test, what the fuck he's talking about? I've done it. Yeah. For me, like, I got it. But you brought it all together. I was like, oh, shit. That's actually a good fucking For me, I've done that for six years. I mean, like, every Friday there's a test. I just never know when I'm going to take it.

And so, like, that's the biggest thing I remind myself. It's like, you don't know we're going to take the test, but you'll do yourself a disservice if you're not ready to take that test. So every single week I would prepare as if I'm going to take the test, not take the test. Hit reset. Some weeks are tougher than others, but just keep pushing forward. And shoot, look up whenever the test is done and succeed.

So it is easy. No, it's not easy. Not easy. It's like shitty being a backup and you got to do that every week. And you're like, you're dressed and everything. Like, man, I got to be ready. You're so hyped up. And ready.

Can you get hyped up? Like, this is because, listen, listening to you and that whole thing right there, like obviously you saw my mind get blown. I was a vocal about it. But if six years and you're studying for a test every single week and then that last, like eventually once in a while you're like, fuck dude, this test ain't coming this way. Like I got, like if you're behind Ben, right, dude's been playing forever. he's a statue in there, but he gets the ball out relatively fast

and he can take some hits. There's got to be a level of being like, all right, maybe this, I'm good this week. We're all up, this defense of line is not good. They only get the quarterback like that. You do that. The second you do that, you're throwing in there. So like, for instance, so second year,

one's back in a Ben, we'd be sitting there. We're playing the Ravens, like, late in the season. It's cold. You're standing in Baltimore in the middle of December for three hours. And I was literally standing there. It's probably, it's like the fourth quarter, up through like five points we're coming out as like first and 15 i'm like all right like bin got

this like the game's over like i have my beanie on i was not chilling like i was so in the game but i was like but you're chilling yeah you're chilling you're sitting there like yeah games over we're good um then goes to scramble they were in like p tampa two then goes to scramble and the three technique like falls on him and he's just like laying on the ground just out and in my head i'm like this man like just passed out on the field so then like that's when like that's when stomach drops. Sorry, get the helmet, like warm up. You haven't thrown since pregame warmups.

We go out there's like first and 15. Second 15. Coach T's like, throw the deep over. They haven't covered it all day. I'm like, damn, I thought we're just going to hand it off. You're coming out of the end zone. Crowds going wild.

Something quick. Exactly. And then that was like my first play in the league. So threw over to Juju. And then like, okay, I can do this. And then Ben walks back on the field. He's fine. He shook it off.

He just got the wind knock out of him. But all that to say was I was staying on the sideline five minutes before that. Like to your point, just in there like, like, okay, like, I'm not playing today. Like, the game's over. And then the second you, like, seek that comfort and you sit down, boom, you're thrown in there. So, like, just, like, examples like that have occurred throughout my career that I try not to catch myself, like in that lull where it's, like, oh, it's over. You know, just always, just finding ways to, on whether it's not really. routine or whether it's just the process of getting prepared, just to stay locked in.

Because, as I said, you just do yourself a discredit if you're not ready for the opportunity. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there are definitely times where you think, you do think that way, especially depending how long the season has been too. Because in the beginning of the season, you're kind of like, you never know what happens.

Some of the coaches tell you, I don't know about for quarterback, but like lineback are like, oh, we'll get you in here, X, Y, Z, blah, blah. But there are definitely times where you can get in some lulls of thinking about it. But he's right. like the minute it does happen. That anxiety you have, if you're not prepared, because that week where I had got cut and then brought back on practice squad

and we were playing the Ravens, for whatever reason. I was a little bit nervous because I, man, is this with the Titans? This was the Titans. 2018? This is the second sin with the Titans. 2020. Yeah.

And I was like, man, I hope I don't have to go in there. Like, I haven't, you know, really. That's a tough mindset too. Right, right. I hope I don't have to go in there. Like, I've been on practice squad this entire week. just now telling me that I could play in the year. I'm going to back up in the game.

So Friday or Saturday, whenever they're doing all the walkthrough stuff, I'm just behind Rashon and Jayon just kind of shadowing them because, you know, it's Lamar Jackson. There's some wrinkles in their run game and past game that it's like, you can't just go in there with a drop-back quarterback. You feel a lot more comfortable

coming off like a practice squad situation. You're like, okay, a lot of this stuff is real general concepts that everybody kind of has. But the Ravens, for whatever reason, it's like a different game. playing that week. So since I've been on practice squad that whole week, and then they tell me, like, hey, you could, we're going to activate you on practice squad after just getting cut. You're just like, okay, well, let me stand because I was a little bit nervous. And that was the game,

Jayon fucking fucked up his elbow. That shit was terrible. Thank God he was wearing long sleeves. Yeah. And literally I was in there. I was like, thank God I was going through just the walkthroughs and everything like that. It always comes when you're just not, you're like the most unprepared and you have like a type of anxiety of like, man, if I go in there, it looks. stupid like, it's the worst. It's over. Yeah. Lamar does make people look stupid.

Yeah. Think of Lamar, when he sees Jan go down, who's a very athletic linebacker and then you walk out. Right. He's shaking him down on the sideline. He always sees as a white guy. He's like, oh, I'm running out. I'm fucking him up.

It didn't work out for him. A white linebacker, a black landbacker goes out and then a white like on him comes, he goes, oh, man, I'm running on that guy. You know what I'm saying? All I'm saying is try being a white man chasing the tackle Lamar Jackson in this league. No, it doesn't fucking happen. Your only hope is to make him go east and west and be like, And be like, please God, Calvary get here.

Exactly. Just wait, find some time. Yeah, yeah. Dude. All those dumb assackling drills, like, all right, don't dive out of the diving board. They'll sit under myself. All those rabbleisms, bro. Everything.

Everything. I'm got you a 90 miles for a ride. I know, dude. Lamar is impressed. I hope he gets paid. I hope he. I think he will. I think for the Ravens?

You think he's going to go somewhere else? I don't know. I know he's going to get paid. I don't know. Who knows if it's going to be the number that he's wanting? Yeah. I don't know what the number he's wanting. I don't know if he's like

an irrational person or not, but I've never met him, but I think he'll get paid. I think he'll get paid. I think, but the OCs up for a job somewhere, so that might that might shake some things up. What I think it'll be interesting is

how all the GMs and owners will look at the contract situation because I know he can throw the ball around, but the running game is a big part of his game. And the life, the lifespan of like a running back in the league and you can look back at Vic and all these guys.

It's just wherever they see him like how long do we think exactly how long can he play at that level that type of game that he plays because he adds another element that element shows that like they only have so much tread on the tire because you can't have like the way lamar plays he loses a step it definitely equalizes the game a little bit more absolutely equalizes the game yeah 100% yeah i wonder uh yeah i wonder if he is gonna pin there love to have on the bus love that yeah Lamar's he's he follows you right yeah he's one of the boys he's one of the boys he's one of the Boyce. He follows. He's a tier three guy.

Yeah, I actually made that joke, the try being a white guy on the field, chasing Lamar Jackson. And it was one of those ones where it was going out there to different audiences. And then people started calling me like racist and shit like that. And then Lamar comes in and laughs that and everything else. So it's like, you can solidify. Yeah, you get one of the bros down there.

That's like the almost the equivalent of being like, oh, I'm not racist. My best friend's black. Like you got that card right there. He comes in and says something. It's like the guy I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like this. Oh, no, I'm good. You saw him. I'm good. Lamar got me. We're sure. People like that. People like that all the time.

You get invited to the cookout, you're like, yo, I'm good. I'm him. I can't wait to tell all my white boys. They're like, guys, I got plans on Saturday. Yeah. Oh, you just want to hang out? I can. Like, we didn't ask you.

Well, I'm doing something. I'm going to Lamar Jackson's cookout. Yeah, I hope. He needs to kind of be like our boy, Kirk Cousins and kind of do like the short, three-year fully guaranteed contracts. Curson gets that, gets the money bags. Money back, bro. He's just snipping them things up, huh?

Do you think he deserves it? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I was just trying to see if my boy's going to slip. I get some headlines out here. Exactly. We got the same agent, so Mike be, yeah, might be grinding. Yeah. Kurt, like, we were actually talking about it this morning, like,

Kurt played the situation perfectly. You have to take a little risk to get to the market. For sure. To see what your market value is. And then that's where if you're healthy and coming out, coming out looking good on skated, free agency, you're able to leverage all of your stuff to get. It might be a lower ceiling, but you'll get that fully guaranteed contract.

He's got it ever since. Ever since. Every contract. Yeah. Because, yeah, we were on that conversation because of Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about his fifth year option coming up.

And if he's going to, I don't know, like, you know how the thing, like things get crazy when your contract is up and you've played well. Like I jokingly told Jeff, hey, I know we're not the best friends. We got to fight in camp and for some reason he's never let it go since then. like we're definitely on the rocks. He holds a grudge big time. I was like, hey, I want you to know, like, our careers based on where you're at right right now are identical.

The exact same as far as Acculates go. I was like, I hope to God, yours ends better than mine does. But, and then we had a whole conversation. You're 10. Yeah, that's right. You're 10. Loading, brother. But we had a whole conversation of like fifth year option and how that's going to play out.

He was asking about my stuff. And it's crazy the stuff that he's got to go through now going into this fifth year because not only is the fifth year, he's looking at two possible franchise tags as well. Right. And he's going to get. money, but it's not like that money that's like, oh, I'm set. And long term. Yeah, you want that, you want that contract

that says, because if he gets hurt, boom, he just lost a whole bunch of money that way. I'm anxious to see how that plays out with the Titans. Because we were just in general, we were talking about the different like mindset you can be in as a player, like once your season abruptly ends. Like, for Jeff, he's like, you know, you saw the post game video of him, like,

crying at the locker, like, talking about what it means. You can just tell, you can tell how much the game means to him. at all. And for somebody who shoot up his ankle, the entire back half of the season to play and try to get the boys into the playoffs, you know as a player, you think in your mind, the logo, the team, everybody, everybody's going to be on the same page. But the minute the season is over, you go from this pack mentality to now this individual mentality because now it is all suddenly business. And that shooting up and that playing hurt and that the product you end up putting

on film, most of the time gets used against you. in negotiations, right? Just because it's strictly business. I would assume the Titans are going to do whatever possible to retain somebody like Jeff, but a lot of guys go into it thinking I was doing it the honorable way all year long, fighting for the boys, doing whatever I can to get back here,

feeling the pressures, the coach, the training staff, fans, teammates, everybody. And I want to, like, I'm trying to. But then you turn around if you're not in a situation to have, like maybe it's leverage like Jeff has or something like that. Usually it does not work out for you that way. But you think, damn, I thought, I thought if I sacrificed and did all this, you guys would take care of me. And now you're using what just happened kind of against me.

Yeah. But you can't take that personal. Yeah. You can't take that personal. But that's a lot of guys, they usually get that bitter. And you just find out the teeth of the business that way, which is unfortunate. You know, when you're young, you're kind of like naive about it. You just don't know when you're young.

You get your first off season. You look at a vet. You're like, oh, we get the next few months off. We don't have to come back until April. You're like, oh, shit. And you're just, you know, you're just like a puppy. You're on this four-year deal. If you get to, you know, be with the team four years,

you kind of just, you have no clue until you get bit in the ass with the business side. And you're thinking, damn, this is how it really is. I wonder, I think really is going to come down to whether Jeff is on the team or not, is how much, like, how he wants to get paid. Because he's extremely talented. He's a top three D-Tackle in the league from, I think anybody, any GM would go and say the same thing. What is, look up Aaron Donald's contract, because he's got the number one contract, right? And that's a unique situation

because Jeff has had two Pro Bowl seasons going into a contract year but Aaron Donald is arguably one of the greatest defensive players of all time so his money is going to be crazy now does Jeff want to sit there and say I deserve to get paid as much or more than Aaron Donald's getting paid

because there's arguments for both sides Jeff's younger he's extremely disruptive he's only getting better He's a centerpiece you build around He's a centerpiece you build around those words are way too small. What is it per year?

Three years, 95 million right here. He's getting like 30-something average, bro. 30-something average. When we were talking to, I was like, if they want to pay them like number one money, it's got to be like around 30. Yeah, I wonder what the other detackles,

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See, look, the drum from Aeron Donald down to number two is $10 million. Aaron Donald average per year is 31. The Forest Buckner is $1 million in one more year. 31 per year. Yeah. So. The Forrest Buckner. Boltz.

It's like literally playing, we're at the restaurant doing napkin math. It's like, it looks like it could be like a 25 a year thing, literally just making that up. I'm sure people use that for headlines. So, you guys, franchise will get the average, right? He'll get the average of the top five, I believe, right? Yeah. Yeah. Which is not bad money.

That's what they were doing with Kurt Cousins is they would tag him every year. He would tag him every year. And then the QB market kept going up every year. Yeah, they make it money. He kept getting jumped like 5 mil, 10 mil a year. Because Washington offered him three years, 75 million, 50 guaranteed loosely that's not like exact um and kirk was like why would i do that i'm going to make 50 no matter i'm going to make more than that guarantee just in the next two off my franchise tax exactly

so you got to come more correct than that they played with them too much you made it all the way to a free agency three teams had him at like north of 90 million dollars fully guaranteed and then you end up going with Minnesota probably with like taking all the financials involved with taxes and everything else come on kirk yeah yeah yeah how he ended up getting there because just looking at a fifth-year option, two tags. I'm looking at, I was looking at those top three tackles. It was Aaron Donald, Buckner, and then Chris Jones, both extremely talented. I wonder statistically what the difference between those three and Jeff is.

Because I know from what I've seen from Aaron, or what I've heard about Aaron is he didn't have like the best year this year compared to like his past. The Rams went from Super Bowl to five and 12. Yeah. So they obviously, he didn't have a great year, but that's going to be an uphill battle for Jeff if he wants to get above Aaron. Donald right there. Because that's such a crazy outlier. That's like Quentin Nelson for the guards. He, I think, is like $3, $4 million above the next highest paid guy.

But how old is Jeff? Jeff is, it's fourth, 25 years old. Man. Yeah, he's got, he's got, I mean, he's got. Aaron Donald's son that at 31. Like, imagine Jeff at 27, 28. Yeah, but then if I'm a GM and I'm just going to argue that point, Aaron Donald's a generational talent, generation, generational, multiple generations, talent.

and is arguably one of the best in the world. I think at this point, Aaron Donald, at this, at Jeff's point in his career, Aaron Donald already had, like, might have already had a defensive player of the year,

or, well, like, four-time pro-bole. Like, he had, his resume was just insane. And then it just kept going. Yeah. So, it's like,

it's a hard argument. I hope Jeff gets that money. I'm just saying, like, I wonder where, in his point, if he's going to think of it, uh,

logically. And I think if he thought about it logically and sat down with himself and his agent, and his agent was completely honest with him. His agent would say, you will be a top five paid guy, but I think it'll be more in the middle range of the top five, like the three. This is me without any information trying to talk about this. I don't know what the real market is other than the article we just looked at, but you're thinking like 20 to $25 million a year sounds like something he would look at and logically have to say, okay, I'll play for that. Like a four year hundred? Yeah, I would love to see him get three year whatever fully guaranteed.

Yeah, if he could do that, that's trying to set tone. That's what we all want. He's one of those guys. It's like, you want quarterbacks first, but you want top dogs at their positions commanding these fully guaranteed contracts. You might sacrifice a little bit of the ceiling. But if in turn you get three years of fully guaranteed deal, and you're seeing the market again at 28 years old, like.

That's a good position to be in. Right. Great position to be in. And, you know, again, it's not, you know, he can look at Aaron Donald's and just think, like, that's a marker. for the market. It doesn't mean he thinks that's his floor. It doesn't mean anything other than like, hey, a top guy at this

position got 31, he signed for it last year. We're getting all this influx of money. Who knows what that looks like. Capwise? It comes on the agency. I think if he goes to a free agency, he sees that money. He goes to free agency, he'll see a lot more than he would if he signs a year or two. Say he signed this off season. He would see a lot

more than he would. Because you're giving up the ability to go to free agency to sign something ahead of time. If you're going to work with the Titans on signing something early, then you're going to have to favor some things that go in the Titans way because you, that's ultimately what a hometown discount is. Yeah. Crazy to think of $25 million a hometown discount.

Right? Yeah. Those are the cap situation. They got him at 25. It almost seemed like, oh, that could be seen as a win. Yeah. You get Jeff Simmons locked in long term a year before his deals up. Now it's like, that would be on Jeff to think, do I believe I'd stay healthy in my fifth year?

I'll write this fifth year option out just because I know what I'm going to see. Yeah. But looming over his head of those two franchise tags. Yeah. So you're looking at year seven in the league. Now he is 28. Right. He's 28 years old playing.

Now he's getting a second contract. Still going to make good money. Right. Still a first round draft pick. Still been franchise tag twice. He probably wouldn't get franchise tag twice because I think it's like top five over the whole league, right? No, it's top of your position. I thought the first franchise tag was at and then it levels up.

No. I think it's a franchise tag. But then the first round picks. They franchise you again. And it just, I think it goes up by a percentage. Like, it has to be more than the one, whatever was. A lot of stuff to think about. There's a lot of things in the Titans feature that they really got to figure out.

Because, like, I think, I think, I've said this on this podcast. I think Vrable is one of the best coaches in the NFL. But eventually, like, you've got to have talent to match that coaching as well. And it unfortunately showed this year because you look at the two, last two years, last year we had more injuries than we did this year. Last year had more. We had the record. Last year we had more injuries and we were still the number one scene in the AFC.

But if you look at what's the major difference between last year and this year? If you look at the IR list, the guys that played last year are now the ones in IR. Like your main guys other than Derek Henry who got her week six of the season and was a rushing leader by 300 yards at that point. Would have in my mind easily broken that 2000 rushing record. Has he got what up to 1600 right? And you didn't play week 17? Which is that? You talk about?

Derek. Last year? Oh, last year? This year. Yeah, I think he was around 16. What did he get? What did he get the other night? Get 120, I think.

Yeah, I think he probably might have just got 16, 100. He was top three going into that last game. Yeah. He's, I mean, I think he's number two, right? Josh Jacobs and him? I don't know how Nick Chubb did. Chubb was two, Derek was three. He finished two?

Man. Derek and Chub have some, I have a week. whether they have a rivalry or not, they have a rivalry. I think they have a little rivalry. Yeah. Chub is a beast too, though. He's a beast, bro. And I heard he's a silent assassin.

Is he really like that? He doesn't talk. He doesn't talk. Like, if you get him outside the complex hanging out, he's hilarious. Like, once he stops, starts talking, he'll be like the funniest guy in the room. Yeah. But, like, in the complex and then on the field, you don't say a word. All business.

And he scored, he like, we were playing the chargers this year. Unblocked safety in the hole, makes a miss. runs like 50 yards for a touchdown stiff arms Cleo Mac on the goal line just hands the ball to the ref and walks off the field like this guy's crazy

That's a cool That's a cool fucking deal I mean Derek lost Josh Jacobs though I know I led the league in rushing And he was somebody They didn't pick up

His fifth year I know So he went in a good tweet about that He went in this year With a massive chip on his shoulder Because from what I've heard I don't know I haven't talked to Josh or anything But from my understanding

Is they were trying to shop him for like a third round pick in preseason and he was aware of that. So him going out and leading the league and rushing, he goes crazy, didn't you? I like the big middle finger to everybody. Like, I'll fucking show you guys.

Like, that's, you love to see that. You hope it's like, don't take any fucking discount. It's like the mindset of Jeff, like, if Jeff's going into it, like, you know, I'll put, I've sacrificed all this. You want to see players get paid and not have all the stuff that they've used, like, against you and everything else. It's always like the pro player mentality. It's like if they didn't pick up his 50,

or they did pick up his 50, or they did pick up his, fifth-year option and he was pissed about it. It's almost like, how do you navigate those waters? Like, Josh, he now gets to go taste. Free agency. For real. That's probably known in the NFL feeling better than Josh right now. You've got to feel good about how the year you just had, especially again, led the league

and rushing on a roster where it seemed like every position was talked about except the running back. It's like, okay, we got a good running back. But we got. Derek Carl with Devonte Adams, Darren Waller, Hunter Renfo, all those boys. And then you kind of, you know, Josh, kind of an afterthought they don't pick up his option it's like all right birds to everybody i'm about to league to league and rushing that's crazy yeah the uh the raiders are by far the most underachieving

team in the NFL this year oh for sure i mean titans are kind of there too right so they had a bunch of injuries to hang their hat on it's like the insurance policy like a lot of people were saying talking about the raiders competing for the super bowl yeah they went to want devonte who get there i said my hot tag was the chiefs weren't going to make the playoffs i was obviously very wrong about that, but. It was a tough take. Tough take. That's a tough take.

But again, there's bias. Like, I'm rocking with the boys in silver and black, dude, and I thought this was going to be the year. It'll be the coolest uniforms in the league. You don't, you know, I still went what? Like, five and three, I feel like on the year, picking the division winners. I think so. He'd like to see a better ratio.

However, I thought. You could have had one more if Saturday worked out a little bit better. Yeah. I know. Titans were won. Titans were one that I picked. And there was a part of me, too, that was thinking about picking Jaguars at the beginning of the year.

I was like, I can't do that. Yeah, that would have pissed me off. Right. Yeah, because we were talking about... That would have pissed me off. Peterson, Justin Lawrence and Nate. We said it on this podcast, though, for those of you think we just joke around on this podcast,

we legit have said Jacksonville is a good football team. They just need a good coach. You're welcome. We said that first. When they've had, they had like three straight number one picks. I know. They really have just holstered in their shit. Yeah.

I felt like Doug Peterson was probably, it was a big help like him going there. For sure. Yeah, organization, dude. Yeah. For sure. voice pushing the cart in the same direction. What, um, since we're talking about mindset, too, in the season abruptly ends, like,

where, where does, where does the headspace go for somebody like you in your position? Again, you come in the last three weeks of the year. Season's over, you see the look on everybody's face, like, you're not as acclimated and it's into all the, the buy-in that the Titans did all year long for the back, fuck, man, we didn't get it. What's like for you now going into the off-season? Yeah, I mean, when it abruptly ends, I mean, it stuck, but you just like, we navigate those emotions.

Obviously, I can immediately go, okay, shoot, where am I going to be next year? Am I going to be back here? I'm going to be somewhere else. Where am I about to live for the off season? Is my apartment even still a thing in Cleveland? You know, so just like working through it all. So yeah, I want to be back in Tennessee. I had good exit meeting.

So we'll see how kind of like free agency for me shakes out, but hopefully it's back here. So you, if your wish list would be Tennessee. Yeah, for sure. Tennessee boy. For sure. I mean, shoot, I'm not from Tennessee, but played at Tennessee. Love Nashville. Nashville reps.

Nationalist. National's dope. And the state is like, seems like they're rude for you hard. For sure. And like I've enjoyed my time in the complex. Like the guys are cool. Even though I got a cross pass with him a couple times.

But everyone's pretty cool in the complex. So it's been cool. The, I wonder from the outside looking at, like if I was, since I've been on IR since week too, I've like turned myself into a fan, obviously. And watching Malik the first few weeks,

obviously it was, it was tough. Right? Like it's, I think he had 88 yards passing in the last game before you started. And when you came in, it was like, damn, like, he really out there slinging that thing. And then everything, like, gets in your head like, damn,

like, dude, biddy for five days. He's done, like, he's been able to do this at this time. Like, you actually, in a time where there was no hope for Tennessee, you look, he gave the boys hope. And I thought Saturday you were going to go in there and it was going to work out. Shut up. And you guys had it. We'll get into that game because I really do want to talk about that.

But what is a what what was it like with Malik? Because knowing Malik for the short time I did, obviously during camp OTAs and stuff like that, very charismatic, very energetic, great dude. You just wonder if like is he a guy that can develop into something that people thought he was going to be when they're coming a Liberty before the draft saying he could be a top 10 pick? Or is this one of those things where it just is not, it's not going to work out. And that's no shot at Malik. That's more just like wondering, I guess like, does he have it? And that's not for you to answer.

My question for you is, like, how was the process between you two? And, like, you quit coming in, quickly changing the guard. You know, it was good. I mean, it was smooth, as smooth as it can be. Yeah. You know, obviously, you know, being his position, it probably was tough on him. And I know he would love to be out there, too, playing, competing. But as you said, Malik's a great dude.

And so Malik and I, we trained with the same guy in Atlanta. So I met him the last offseason, actually, as he was getting ready for the draft and stuff. just in QB training and it's a small circle. So, yeah, I mean, he was still the same guy throughout the whole process, extremely positive with the players being a great teammate. It was great to me and helping me just get acclimated. And then, like, little things at quarterback, like, hey, what's the cadence? What's the reminder to the O line?

What's the communication in the huddle? Just how have you guys done it just to make sure it's smooth on everyone who was awesome. So, I mean, playing quarterback in the NFL is not the easiest profession. And it takes time to learn how to do it. It took me time. I've had a lot of reps, even though I haven't played a lot, so I've had a lot of reps at doing it and watching guys do it at a high level.

And so Malik will probably be the same process, but he seems like he works really hard. He wants to be successful. I think it starts there. So yeah, I'm excited to see how he comes back this off-season. Being a vet, if you were to give advice to a young rookie quarterback, obviously I'm saying Malik in this situation, but if you were to give advice to a rookie quarterback going into their first off-season,

what would it be? I'm looking at your career now. Yeah, I would say, one, just like take a breath. As we know, that first offseason, you've been going for a year and a half straight from the start of your senior year. So take a time just to take a breath and realize, like, how important football is to you,

but also what other interests you have out there just as a human being and just take a step back. And then from there, like February comes around, then craft your plan of, hey, what are the five things I want to get better at between now and OTAs and work hard every day at this? those things, whether it's something in the playbook, whether there's footwork on the field, whether it's one throw you're trying to master.

But just find that rhythm, routine consistency. Because if you find that, then once you go to OTAs, you can take that same process and then use it all the way until the season. So that's, I mean, that's my biggest advice. That's what I did for myself. I took a step back, took a breath, figured out what I want to improve on, and then just went from there. Question for both of you guys.

or anything you guys look back on, you wish you were to new at a younger age, like when you are navigating the first off seasons. Because I feel like a lot of guys get excited, right? They can travel. They can do a little bit more. And I'm hearing you say, like, good stuff. And I'm thinking, like, I'm one to add. Because it's like we can all sit here and talk about it.

I know you both have knowledge on it. But how crucial routine process, all that stuff is if you're trying to be a better NFL football player at your position. I don't know. I think, like, the, like, people always say, like, don't take breaks. But I feel like the break is really what helps you come back. more energized to work hard. You know, like taking, it sucks when you're done the first week of January,

so taking the month just to decompress from the emotions of the season, whether you're in one spot the whole year starting or you weren't, or you were in three different spots like myself. Just taking that time to decompress is so powerful just mentally. And then when February comes, when you watch the Super Bowl, you're like, that's my goal. I want to be there. And then the next week, you just work hard.

Yeah. You know, and just get right back at it. Yeah. What would you say? I think the break is a huge thing. My first couple years, I didn't take a break. I was like, when people are resting, this is when I'm going to get them. And then you kind of realize, like, you get into late November, December, and you're like, damn, you're kind of burnt down.

You don't really know why you don't, like, put that in your head of like, oh, you have been working since forever, like, since your senior year and now you're in your second year. And so when I saw the biggest jump from my success was year two to year three. And that's when I actually took the longest break I did, which was like, I think. we didn't make the playoffs obviously and then I took like three or four weeks and like first of February it was when I was like all right this is when we start

and it's like it's very rejuvenating you get to like get back to neutral a little bit because you're drained dude the end of season is so draining everything hurts always and you're just like thinking like damn how to make it to this next game like you know like little things

because when you're out of it like I've been out of it for so like for so long relatively since week two I don't have any pain in my body like my neck doesn't hurt But I remember being like, damn, I feel like every time my head touches something, I get a stinger. Like, or like my ankle or whatever. You're like, damn, this is just awful.

And so you kind of forget what it feels like. And that's, you're like just ready to get back into it. But if you don't take that break, then you're screwed. You kind of, you put yourself in a deficit. Like the return on investment no longer is there for you anymore after if you just keep going the whole time, you just get burnt out. Right. And also, I parted a whole bunch after my rookie year. So.

Or your spot. I party to shitload. No, I was out in Arizona. I feel like that stuff happens. That's almost why, like, you know, why I wanted to, like, raise the question in case there happened to be, there are a lot of tier one rookies out there. They're probably listening to this podcast.

Yeah. If you're a rookie and you were, you were a drafted rookie, like a top three-round draft pick, like there is, you finish the season and you're like, damn, I can't believe the season's over. But then in that same thought process, you're like, holy fuck, I got all this money. I got all this time. You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. You never had money. Like, we talk about all the time. Before, you didn't just have the season, but you, like, you were talking, you're training for the combine. You're going to, you're doing all the bells and whistles. You're pretty much shot. But you're like, you can do anything.

Yeah, then you get done and you're like, damn, I got a bank account for money. You can do anything in the world. Anything in the world. You can travel. Anywhere you want. Bro, the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to me. Or like that I look back and I just go, ooh, fuck, dude. That was tough.

My rookie year, after my rookie year, the Super Bowl's in every year. The Super Bowl's in Arizona. And I'm from Arizona. For those of you listen who don't know, I go back. I go to Old Town Scottsdale. Great spot. And it's a great spot.

I'm a Cave Creek guy. I'm more of like a small town kid, but I'm like, I'm fucking showing that shit off. I get the table. I go to El Hafe. A couple girls from high school show up. Why?

Because they got to see. They got to see that your boys made it a little bit. Bro, this girl, I have like a bunch of money in my pocket, like a bunch of 20s. This girl takes the money out. It's like, that one in the air. I'm like, I'm really him. look at this money flying through the air.

Thinking to myself like that, like not realizing it, you'll be a fucking idiot right now, dude. Going a bender for four days straight. It was embarrassing. It was fucking tough, dude. You get out of that little four-day piece and you're like, I haven't really slept.

I've been acting like a fucking idiot. I've been doing a lot of extracurriculars. It was a fucking tough gig for me. And it was really like a come-to-jesus moment. Like Mr. A came and picked me up at some random apartment complex. We're wearing the same outfit I was wearing four days before. But the buttons on the shirt were like wrong.

Yeah. He has a picture of me. He literally says it's the most disappointed I've ever been in you. I slept for like 18 hours. It went to a small coma. It was just bad. I haven't parted like that since. Yeah, Rookie's too.

I needed that. That's hilarious. Don't do that. Let us understand. Yeah, so don't learn from me. Don't do that shit, dude. It's cooler to pretend like you don't have money. It's good that you said all those things too because I felt like every all of us.

When I'm telling the story, I'm like embarrassed in my head. I'm about to flex a little bit. I was being an idiot. A damn idiot. Yeah. There's more. I don't know if I want to go into it. We don't have to go another time.

What should we transition into next? Let's talk about the Jaguars Titans game. We watched the game together. Obviously, it didn't go the way we wanted. But there are two plays that stick out in my head that we can go over. One is, what the fuck was Traylin Burke's doing when he tossed that ball over his head? Was that a call? Cold play? That was a cold play. Okay, thank God.

Because I literally thought like there's no way he should have done that. That's not in the playbook. What the fuck is that, dude? We put that in on Friday, whatever Friday is for Thursday. Well, we were expecting it was like 3rd and 15. They usually play like a little off zone coverage. We thought we're going

throw it to trailing on a slant and then they're going to rally to just tackle and then he's going to throw it to the back We ran in practice against the defense, and it worked perfectly. Really? Like, it was, it was like third and 17, threw it to the trail in. He threw it to the back, and he got, like, 30 yards. So we're like, all right.

I bet. Might as well try it. Yeah. He just launched that shit up in the air, dude. It was almost rad, too. It almost was fucking cool. When he told it, though, I was surprised. I thought it was going to be, like, later in the game.

Gotta have a situation. Like, you gotta have it. Like, all right, we need something. But that was like the second, first quarter, like the third, third down of the game. That's like fucking Michigan running. the Philly Special against TCU in the first quarter on the first drive. What are y'all doing?

Yeah. Yeah, like late the game. Yeah, go out. I thought it was a late game called. Yeah, for sure. Like, going off that, like, when you get a call in your headset and you know the call, before you tell the boys, are you like, hey, what the fuck? If I'm the quarterback and they're like, yeah, do the fuck.

I don't want to play. What's the play called? It was called, like, tracks. Like, a razorback for trailing. Razor back. Razor back. Yeah. Run razor back.

Run razor back. And you're in your head like, holy fuck. What was the D&D? So I was starting 15, and we're in field goal range. Nice. I'm literally just staring at the trailer. Be smart. Like, don't do anything stupid.

I don't throw it, don't throw it like way back. They get the ball. Like, because we got points. And we're about to start off this game on the road with points. We need these points. So I look at him said, don't do anything dumb. The crazy thing was it worked. It just wasn't backwards.

Like, it was literally like two yards. He really caught it. He really caught it. I'm like, oh, shit. I can't believe he played it. While he's falling down. Dude, I were watching it. You know how you throw it, threw it.

Yeah, I don't know how he got that off really either. I know. Just looking into Trayland's eyes before. Some crystal green eyes. Hey, don't do something stupid. He's like, he got you in the eyes and said, yeah, you got it. Or bet or something. And he caught that.

As he's going on, he goes, this is the perfect time to throw this fucking ball in the air. I'm doing it. You know a movie scene was going on to say. I'm about to be the hero. Yes. For a first down in the first quarter, First quarter. I know.

Questionable call. Questionable. Questionable call. I guess a situation for you. Let's just say hypothetically. It's fourth and 13. Yeah. Defense is in a loose cover three at the sticks.

I'm going to give you an empty set. I'm going to go three routes curled up at the sticks. They can get the first down. We put the ball in the money. And I'm going to give you two checkdowns. Where are you going with the football? Probably should throw it past the stick. Yeah.

I was so high. I was so hot. Oh, bro. Everybody gets an extra playoff check. Trainers are getting an extra bonus. You got everything on the line. You go into the sticks. You go into the sticks.

Hindsight's 20. I'll put it on me. It's straight. When you threw that ball, I was like, oh, cool, they're doing another one of those plays. There's fun. Fucking running, barreling down, like, tossing. Do something. Where's that thing?

I was so hot. So. Did you know it was third down? Yeah. I knew it was four. You sure. Yeah, I promise. I promise.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. That has happened. That's hard. That has happened. So I knew it's fourth down. I knew what coverage they're in. It's like, it's called three week bust. I mean, they're standing at the stakes.

And they're standing right where the guys were running. I always told the guys like, hey, try to find a window and everything. I was like, all right, I'm going to stare at the guy over the ball. I'm going to try to pull as many people to tour them as I can and try to rip it to trailing into the boundary. So I caught it. Nick Westbrook runs a chains route. And there's like four guys standing there. And then I look right.

And there's like two guys standing right next to trailing. Like, trailing, one dude was right in front of him. Traylor in the corner, like, touching shoulders. And then Woody, like, the safety standing in front of him. So I'm like, the worst thing I can do right now is take a set. And then, like, it was literally, as I was saying that and I was about to start scrambling, it was just out of reaction, like, Hassan just flashed in front of my face. And I threw it.

And right when I threw it, I was like, come back. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, that one sucks. Like, one, you just replaying your head. You're like, motherfucker. I'm like, why did I throw that? Especially you, for sure. You're thinking, like, every rep.

in your head, I'm sure you're like, every rep fucking matters. Like, this is my resume of starting right here. Yeah, you know, and just like the situational plays. Like, that's one thing from the first game. I was like, all right, let's be better, let's be a better situation, which, like, outside of that situation, the whole game, I mean, we were moving the ball and converting third and longs, like two big fourth down. So we were a much better situationally throughout the game.

But yeah, and that play was like, you know, just give someone a chance. And I was seeing like a couple third down. Like, this is a huge third down, like to stay on the field at that play. Like, the play before it, I was like, like, all right, let's make it as a manageable of a fourth down as I can. That's why I threw the checkdown to Asan to play before it. But yeah, he flashed for my face and I threw it too. And it was a false start before, right?

Hoop fall started? False started. They flinch. You false started. I mean, their front is so talented. Not really. So we're trying to do everything we can to slow them down, you know? Might have gotten better.

I think they got better. I'll tell you what. I don't know if Josh Allen's gotten better, but he's gotten a lot cooler looking on the field. He does look cool. The dark visor, everything with the same. see on the chest. He does look cool. He's got that perfect like build like oh that dude is a dog. Yeah. I mean you look that dude is a dog. You look over there like even like like Trayvon Walker like he can probably like get some cooler sock swag but like he'll he'll get it. He's a rookie.

Yeah, yeah. Everyone has a tough time the rookie. You're like whatever that matter. Whatever you make him. Yeah. They put whatever in your locker. If you're trying to look cool, you're going to get clown on for that. If you're not doing enough, you're going to get cloned on for that. Man, they look the part. You get out there. Like the first thing you do like, especially at quarterback, you kind of size up. everyone on the field. And you look at their line, they got some guys over there now.

Got some guys. I need you to hold up a little bit. I mean, not more than Dallas, your first start. Dallas was the same way. Dallas was crazy because you looked at the deal line. You're like,

Marcus Lawrence. I heard a lot about him. Yeah. Parsons. And you look over there, like, there's Michael Parsons. He's really good. And then you look at their cornerbacks

and they're like taller than me. Right. And their arms are down to their knees. You're like, like, I can throw a go ball on that guy. He's as tall as the receiver. So you like size up everyone They have a large, very large defense

Very large defense on the left No homo That's all good This is a no pause podcast Yeah this is a no pause podcast If you're sitting there when you're When I'm sure you looked at the play a million times What are you wishing you just did slightly different?

Probably just scrambled You know let someone work for you Were you under duress? Do you have that play? I can't remember if there was pressure or not I think the play before I had pressure A pressure like a couple or a couple of plays So I was just scramble, get someone a chance, work a scramble drill.

Yeah. Yeah. Damn. I know, bro. Hey, we were dialed in. We were watching. We were so fired up. We were fired up. I really thought.

That reminds me. Go ahead. Finish your thought. Were you talking about the turnover? Yeah, I was going to say, what's your thoughts on that replay, the turnover? Yeah, because what was it? That was a six-man protection with a load to the right side. Load to the right.

And they brought the pressure earlier. they're like if you see two of the back you can flipper it but also the load like all week we're like slide to the load yeah slide to the load I mean it's Josh Allen and then it's two interior de-alignment and then we'll pick up the game on the back side slide to the load

so I look at it I'm like I'm gonna slide to the load and then I'll bring a safety off the edge which I felt him I felt him rushing nah you felt him coming I felt him rushing

from behind you was this you felt him behind he was coming behind you. You're not going behind you. Coming up that back. I felt him rushing. So I'm going to drift to the right. And Trayland had like 8 to 10-yard route.

And so I was just trying to give him time to work off the defender. And literally a millisecond later, he catches the ball on the sideline for a first time. Because, I mean, he was wide open on the sideline. So that's football. So you saw the overload, you're like, all right, they're going to pick that up. But you knew the safety was coming or didn't know the safety was coming? Didn't know the safety was coming. I did know the safety was going.

No, I did know this situation. Okay. But it was a, there's a linebacker, a linebacker mug and the safety. Linebacker dropped. Yeah. So in my head, linebacker drops. I'm like the back, I'm thinking the back will pick up the safety. The back's head, he's thinking I got to help out with the internal game. And then the left guard's thinking, I got to push to the load for their games to the load.

So everyone was more sliding right. And then it was kind of, he became a free rusher just based off their scheme on the defense. Damn. Yeah. That's a bad call, though. I thought it was a forward pass. Yeah. We didn't see it on the field because obviously when you're away, they never play any replays,

especially of the biggest play of the game. The Titans, Annesa Stadium, they do. They play replays. They will be calls that go our way. And then they'll show it in the base screen and they're like, oh, we should probably. Probably throw the challenge. I feel like that's what they're supposed to do, right? They're trying to show the replays that are in your favor.

But Jacksonville could have thought, that's a forward pass. That's a forward pass. Exactly. Jacksonville could have thought, oh, this doesn't look like it's in our favor. Don't show the replay. Number two also looks very cool He does look cool Yeah

Can you go back to the The other view The play? Yeah I want to see this That play or are you talking about that That same play But like this view The next play

It's the next one Yeah I think it's the next one You're talking about the checkdown Are you we No I'm talking about that play Where he gets Oh the Ford I want to see like the whole entire thing

Man They're really nice play All right. And they took it to the crew. Here, stop here, stop, stop, stop, stop. All right. All right. Something is slide to the load.

Yeah, okay. But there's a mug there. There's no one coming. If you're sliding to the load, I'm not going to say what the call is, but they're sliding, these two are a man. And Haskins is,

his gap is right here in this A gap, because he's, unless somebody else is coming, because his is either A gap. He should be picking up that guy. If no one else is coming, if they're rushing, they're rushing five.

Yeah, they only brought five. No, go, okay, sorry, go back. 41 ended up dropping to the field. Yeah. Is this a big or a little? That's a little. That's the linebacker. Okay, so that is, that is Asans.

Damn. Do you trailing? Yeah. To the crib. Damn. And it was Josh. That's a forward pass. I feel like they didn't look at it very long.

Me neither. I don't think they did either. But to me, it's like if you could have just had that grip for just. A millisecond. Yeah. millisecond. Because that's the thing, it's almost like even though your arm's going forward

a little bit with it, you can see you're You can see it coming out early. Yeah. Which I get that part of it. But with the, like he's hitting me for it, but the ball goes. It's coming out of your hand forward. Like here's my thing.

If you, you know where you go back there and QB is like, sometimes they throw in the ball just slips out and goes backwards. Right. But if it slipped out and goes forward, that's the same exact situation. That's a good point. It's the same exact.

I'm buying that stock. I'm buying that stock for sure. I think it's four-backer. Shinn of won. You think then we punt, our defense stops, so when we take a knee, we go home. The Titans got cheated out of a division title. We could say, right? Go back to that play. The play we were talking about the sack. I want to see the down in distance.

Third and five. Third and five, how much time is left? Three minutes. Three minutes. We get the first down. Three minutes in the game? Three minutes left in the game. That was right afterwards.

What's wrong? What you got? What you got on your mind? Nothing. It's an armchair quarterbacking in my head right now. Third and five. Go ahead. Defense has been playing well.

Yeah. I think why not take a very like not, you could absolutely run it. You could absolutely run in this situation. On third and five with two minutes, 51 seconds left of the game, you could run it. You could run it. You could run it to make him burn a time up. Or you can do a very quick high percentage throw and hope he gets to the sticks. Right.

Because your defense, look at the. score. The defense has been playing great all game and we have the best punter in the league who's going to hit that ball 50, 60 fucking yards. You do that. You're talking about a completely different game right now. Three timeouts on both sides. There's a...

They'll probably burn one. If you run it, they'll probably burn it to save it before the two minute. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point too. But third and five, you're still trying to get the first down. You're still trying to get the first down, but you got to go with a super high percentage throw. That might have been a high percentage throw.

They just, their scheme, beat our scheme in the situation with how they were setting the things. Yeah. Again, it comes down to literally a millisecond. And it's totally different, too, if you sit there and let's say we're not sliding to the load and you think, all right, we got five guys up, basically. Why don't we just mic this guy over the left guard?

Now you have five on five. Now Haskin picks up that safety off the edge. Yeah, that's a perfect. You can get him? That's a forward pass. That's a forward pass. Play it live. Play it live.

And I get like the rule where they, say, all right, let's let it, let it go. I was like, I was like, let it go. And then they'll be like, it was a four pass. If you just saw that. I know, man. You think that's a four pass. Because again, he's not hitting the ball forward.

No. He's ain't my arm. Which is like a eight, nine yard throw. Is the exact same play? Yeah, because you try to think of another argument for your times if you're being biased. And if you're, if y'all are playing the Patriots, when Tom was there, it's like, obviously they're having biased towards the Patriots. They wanted to go to the playoffs.

Did it? Same play. Go back. Pull up that play. Please pull that. You're talking about the tuck rule? No way. Hey, oh, yesterday.

I want to, uh, the way you frame that question him about the, the checkdown. It was a really good job. That was, that was good. Yeah, that was, you did a good. Did you think about that before? Yeah, it was kind of something I was messing with. I was telling Caleb how I wanted to ask a question about the, uh, fourth and 12 play. Like, hey, I'm going to give this situation where we're getting a few out.

We're going to have a checkdown fourth and 12 game in the line. Where are you going with the ball? And then he started laughing. Then Caleb was doing what Caleb does. It starts, like, painting it even more. And talks about there's a $40,000 check for everybody on the roster. Waiting to go to the playoffs. You get that extra bonus.

Yeah, that's a... Probably in my face. You're thinking how fuck I wanted that check, too. God damn. Exactly. I mean, anyway, you slice it, dude, you played well in those two games. You played well enough for the Tennessee Titans to win the... Dallas, I don't know.

Like, it just didn't go our way that one. They played well, too. They played well. They had more talent on the field. like that is what it is. Except Washington beat their ass. You gave Tennessee an opportunity to win. And that's all, at the end of the day as a quarterback,

that's what you did. You did a great job. And your second start in the NFL. Yeah. That's incredible. You have everything to be proud of. Appreciate that. Like you can nitpick yourself on the fourth and 13 all day, but really, dude, you are,

there's three things that can happen when you are a backup thrust into a starting role in the league. You can play so well that this dude needs to be a start in the NFL. You can kind of stay where you're at or you can play yourself out of the NFL. Yeah. And you are in the NFL. those top two. And on drop of the hat.

Like, again, you did that within a week, 10 days notice. Let's say, let's say, I mean, I'm assuming Tannahill's going to be on the roster next year. He's there. You're the number two. People know Tanyhill goes down like, oh, we got Josh Dobbs. We're going to be all right. We can go play. We have an opportunity to win a game.

Exactly. With an all season under his belt. You've leveled yourself up just off of 20 days. For sure. How cool is that? It's more than that. I mean, like, and that was. And I'm just like, well, why wouldn't you just like just go back to Cleveland and like send back to their practice squad?

It's like you have to give your, you have to, if you're not, if you're not, especially at quarterback, if you're not drafted in the first round or a team doesn't say, hey, we want you to be our guy and we're going to put you on this field until you are successful to be the guy. You have to look around and say, hey, I have to make an opportunity for myself. And that's what you got to do? And that's what you did? Yeah. Is that how you feel about it too? Like, yeah, for sure. The game gets done.

Like you're obviously upset. You're like, fuck, man. I would have loved to have gotten in the playoffs. But now you can kind of sit back and look at these last two weeks. Like you took advantage of your opportunity. Definitely. And any doubt that might have crept into your mind over the last six years of being like, am I starting this? Because everybody has self-doubt.

Of course. Everybody has that. You have silenced in your own head those critics. That's what you really like, and you affirm to yourself that your process works for you. You know what I mean? That's the biggest thing. Because when you do the process and then there's no result at the end of it, like there's nothing. There's nothing to show for it.

You're just in there like, okay, yeah, it's some good preseason tape. But a lot of guys have good preseason tape. Going out and actually playing, like, in big games, like, and playing well in those moments, it's completely different than saying, yeah, you played really well in August against basic cover four and cover three defenses for three weeks. You know? So, yeah, no, it definitely does feel good to make the most of the situation. Wish I could have made more of the situation, you know, like not throw the checkdown. Yeah, yeah.

I'm walking with you on that. I mean, I'm not, but also, you really? Did you really tell Trailing to be smart with the vault? on that play? For sure. All right. For sure. It's like,

and again, you know that you can do it. It's like six years is a long time. Not as you doubt yourself, but again, leaning back on conversations with Colt McCoy, he's like,

man, because injuries would kind of hurt him to like be a full-time starter because he would get hurt. He's got to get injury history. He's like, man, I just want to know that everything I'm doing every day

because he was very like regimented process, like first day and last, all that shit, bro. Every fucking day to him like, yo, You know, why are you still blah, blah, blah. And it's like, man, when I do get the opportunity, I just want to know that I can fucking do

and everything I'm doing is correct. Like, I just want to prove myself that, like, I can be a starter. I can go out there and win a big game. Exactly. But yeah, no, that's sick, man. It does suck that it's like the boys don't get to go into the playoffs. Yeah.

And also, I didn't get a check either. I would have got a check on IR. You would have got a check. Oh, yeah, I would have a check. Remember Kyle? Phillips? Yeah. Wanting to pay for his wedding.

Oh yeah, he's like, this check will pay for my wedding. Yeah, we win this, this check will pay for my wedding. Yeah. Sorry, but there's a lot of guys. There's a lot of guys on the Titans roster that I think made themselves money. Like, I think Jordan Ruse went out and I think he played it really well. He plays hard. I think Corey Levin went out there and made some money for himself.

Those are the guys like I've rooted for it, but I'm not in alignment, so I don't know if they have. I thought Jordan, I think he's been starting for five weeks. I think he is, he played good. Like, not, hey, you did, you did all right, but he played good. he played good football. A couple you want back here and there. But I think he proved a lot of people wrong. I think Corey did the same thing.

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Like, happy to be in the NFL. I've made it because I'm here right now. Yeah, just thankful for just being in the room. Yeah. And then he got cut. I think he went to the Jets and then he went to Denver. And we had. And the Bears.

And the Bears, too, for a hot second. Kind of like really in a big limbo part of his life gets a. I guess a fourth chance in Tennessee again and was a completely different person. Still same great personality. Still talked real slow. But he was definitely one of those guys that I could see he has made like a maturity growth. Being like I'm not satisfied with just being on a roster. And I think the boy made himself some money this the last few weeks.

You're a dependable. You're a dependable backup emergency situation, which is a start too. I think Corey could be a starter in the NFL. I do believe Jordan Ruse can be also. I feel what you're saying. I'm just saying from situations like that, you almost need the confidence to know I've carved out, like I'm going to be on a roster next year.

Now I get to take advantage of actually competing for a job because when you're in and out of it, you're almost thinking like, man, what situation can I get in to make the roster? And then you get to play a few games and you almost feel like, okay, I've earned myself some money, meaning like I've earned myself a 53-man spot. Now how can I look at actually winning a job?

A whole different headspace. Yeah, a whole different headspace. Yeah, because Jordan stayed with me, his family was in Texas and during camp when they released the veterans Jordan's like, I don't want to stay in the hotel

can I stay at your house? So he did and we would drive together to practice, we would go, we would constantly talk about like his situation because he would lean on me because obviously being somewhere

knowing that I'm going to have a role on this team and what I'm going to be he would lean on me and I would just kind of like get a little okay give him a letter grade every day I was like, if I thought you could have done this better

but put a really good camp together and I think it was really looking where because at first it was him Daniel Munyer and Corey and there's always you know how camp is there's always like battles within the position group

and that was his battle per se Monier gets hurt in one of the scrimmage practices we have and I'm hurt for Munier because that's my boy but Jordan he's sat for Munyard too but at the same time he's thinking I got an opportunity that's one off the list right there

Nate has a couple of things Corey he starts feeling more into a center role so I'm looking at the end of camp thinking oh my boy's gonna make this team Like he's literally willed himself into it. Had a great camp, played hard. I think he had a tough last preseason game. And he was really, it was really weighing on him.

And then two days before the active roster is done, we traded for Dennis Daly. And I think that's the one that took him out of the race. Because he was a guy for that moment. Took him out. And because he asked me, like, what do you think? I'm like, well, I don't know the kid. I don't know Dennis Daly very well. I know him better now, obviously.

But I was like, it seems like a tackle. All right. I think they. That was, yeah, that was not. They traded, I thought they were trading for a tackle because there was a whole situation with Dylan Raidens. He and Nick were fighting for the tackle spot. Then Nick wins that.

I think they're now trying to play Dylan in a inside three position, which also puts a little more pressure on Ruse. And they bring Dennis in to be the backup tackle. Obviously, a week into it, Dennis was thrust into a starting job. But that's what, it's crazy how you do all the right things. And now he's fucking out. You know what I'm saying? But, and then,

On the other hand, he sits there, he works hard, gets elevated, sits around for 10 weeks, he's making activated money, he's grinding. Guy's a workhorse. Also, you're a workhorse too. I saw you in that wait room a few times. You were getting after it. Appreciate that. I'm not wait on.

But I'm proud of, I'm proud of Roos. I think his year is like just the grinder. He's a grinder that's literally making his NFL dream work. And I'm fucking proud of that guy. He's done a great job. Those stories are like awesome because it's like, shoot, you just got to grind. You just keep grinding, keep grinding, keep chipping away, keep chipping away. And you see, like, I feel like you can see all those guys, right?

And then you see the decisions made by one half and then decisions made by the other half. The other half kind of like, you know, gets weeded out of the process. And you're kind of just, you watch Ruse do his thing. And you're just thinking, man, like, oh, fucking I'm rooting for him because this motherfucker does all things right. Right. And then you see some guys play themselves out of the league. He was late to meetings three times. You ever slept three times this year.

I will publicly say that, Jordan Ruse. He needs that accountability. Almost everything. Bro. Yeah, that's going to be tough for him to hear then on a public platform. Yeah, that's going to be tough from here. But I've already said so many nice things. There's got to be something I have to drag him through the mud on. You know, all it takes his one jab and he's flustered.

It's like the comments on Twitter, dude, you see 10 good ones and one bad one. That one bad one stings way worse. It's about a chugging ability and he was flustered. Yeah, but you're fast. Like, you shouldn't talk about people's chugging ability because of you're incredible. I understand that, but I'm talking about all I had to do is tell Jordan like, oh yeah, Taylor marked you. What are you talking about?

And he was bamboozled for like the next two months. Yeah. Easily rattled Jordan Ruse. That's a tough pendulum swing on him just now because there was so many good things that about him. He was doing good. I started that. That's on me. That's on me.

That's tough. What do we talk about now? This dude is an aerospace engineer. Yeah, I don't. That's true. That's true. Yeah. On your Twitter, it says certified rocket scientist.

Certified, yeah. You're a certified rocket scientist. This is on my Twitter. That was a cool thing. I've changed it when I graduated. It's like certified rocket scientists. Yo, that is insane. It's almost like the default thing you want to be when you grow up when you're just the youngest.

Yeah, I wouldn't be a rocket scientist. Yeah. What does that even mean? You scientifically know rockets now? Yeah, exactly. Like build you a rocket, go to space. General Studies major. One of my classes was astronautics.

And it was actually pretty mind-blowing because it was literally like space travel. So you were doing, it's called like Holman Transfers. non-holman transfers. So just like talking about like trajectory. What are those two words? What are those words mean? Holman? Here's my first question.

Hold on. Sorry. So I'm, it's just like rocket is going to, like, you're trying to send a rocket from like Earth to Mars, like Earth to another planet, just like the math and stuff around it. You're going to love our tier talk.

What's that? You'll find out in a little bit. Okay. Don't worry. It's been what you're talking about, but very dumb down. Eight-year-olds are going to love this part of the show. Perfect.

What was your one question going to be? Is time travel real? So my time traveling, my time travel traveling piece is, it's like, so like time is the fourth dimension in our world. So like you had, if you're in a two, two dimensional world. No, no, no, no, no one laughed. This is unbelievable. If you're in a 2D world, like if you're 2D world, like a picture book, right?

Right, you got two dimensions. Yep. The third dimensions time. So it's like the ability. I thought you said the fourth dimension is time. We're in a 2D world now. We went back. Okay, okay, okay.

So, like, you have a book and it's 2D. Yeah. So the third dimension will be time. So, like, the ability to, like, just flip the pages and, like, go from a different spot in the book. So, like, in our three-dimensional world, time is the fourth dimension. So if you could time travel, you have to be four-dimensional in a three-dimensional world. Okay, hold on.

Yeah, okay. I lost in the 3-D. I understood what you said, kind of. Yeah. But I don't think you answered the question. He said it's time. I don't think it's time travel is real at the moment. because I feel like

I saw one thing one theory is like if time travel is real like time travel can't be real until the day someone creates a time machine because then you can

time travel backwards and force to that point but until someone creates a time machine you can't time travel to an area of time where there's no time machine do you think that potential's out there

I don't know you ever seen interstellar I have seen interstellar fire okay hold on so that's the interstellar that's three the 4D shit yeah he's like

40 good just pick where he wanted to go in the three-dimensional world because it's in the fourth dimension. So if time travel is only real when time travel is made. When there's a time machine made. When there's a time machine made. So if the time machine was made right now and it was right outside this building.

And we said, okay, we're going to time travel. We can only travel to the future. We can't travel to the past. Correct. Interesting. You want to know what's fucking crazy. Based on the theory I just saw, I don't know if that's true. No, we're going to take that as fact right now. You just gave me all the information I now know about time travel.

Like that is That's fucking it You know what's crazy Is like Say the potential To create that Is out there The moment it gets made

And you can time travel Our future selves Already knew we were gonna come up with this Yeah Because they look at their history books And say Oh 2020 And time travel

He's up behind the library right now A bookshelf Just yell and do this Do that You know what I mean? Yeah He knows that it's gonna come At some point

What massive implications Are there on Our species human beings Or time travel? No with time travel being able for the common man to do. Isn't that extremely dangerous? I think so.

I don't know. What's your opinion? Do you just certify rocket science? It's like, become correct, brother. Now we're talking about the butterfly effect. Well, like, being a rocket science is so funny because people... Great movie.

People are like, you've got to know everything. Like, when you become a rocket scientist, people ask me about everything. Like, I don't know everything. I just know, like, rocket scientist stuff. So, like, time travel. Well, I know rockets. You know, like, I know the couple theories. no rocket science

so you think you're fucking better all I know I'm just a man but I do know rocket science they're not all knowing you know when you're done playing ball then what do you want to do with that um

show it off on podcast show it off on podcast yeah yeah be like uh we create what's the what's the guy that goes on the podcast and talks

uh the astrophysicist yeah nil de grass you'd be like him and talk circles around people no I won't I won't do that You'd have my attention.

I've done stuff at NASA. I want to get my pilot's license this off-season. I think I'm going to do that. Why, wherever. I think that would be dope. Stuff like that. I really like aviation. I really like aviation.

Like stuff. Like growing up, planes was always my passion. I studied aerospace engineering because aeronautical engineering would be just aviation. Aerospace engineering is aviation and space. So you get both just to see the differences. Absolutely. But I really like aviation. I think that would be something really cool to get into.

If planes have always been your passion since you were a little kid, why have you waited until now to get your pilot's license? I haven't had any time, honestly. Interesting. So like the last off-season, my first off-season, I did an externship of fanatics. Just like learning, like, how they grew their company from a business standpoint. Just to learn business. Second off-season, I was with NASA, third off-season.

I was with NASA. Fourth off-season was COVID. Nothing was going on. but I just stuff at NASA. So I just haven't really had the time or just been in, I guess, the physical place to be able to do it. So this off season, really like where I got the point.

So I got released from Cleveland and I'm going to practice squad, as we all know. And so I was sitting there, I was like, yes, I'm like, I have to learn a playbook and everything. But I also wanted to be really productive with my time. I was like, we'll be something like cool to set myself up for the off season. So I started taking the pilots class

I was like, I'm going to get my pilot's license. So I started taking the class and stuff. So I was doing that, like, in my free time. And then obviously since I got here, I haven't looked at it once because I had to, you know, play. But, yeah, so I kind of like saw that. I was like, yeah, I want to do that this off season. So I'm going to do it.

And that fires me up. Do you know what plane you want to fly in? So I'm going to do it with Cirrus over in Knoxville. Yeah. They make a lot of single engine jets and planes. So I want to fly in one of their jets. So I'll probably train in. You want to train in a jet.

Oh, excuse me, one of their planes. I'm not going to get a jet license. That takes, like, a lot of hours. That's a lot of hours. It's like the fourth license down. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to do like the 40-hour one where it's like 20, 21 days. Yeah.

Like hard training. It would be awesome. You can just go fly wherever. That'd be awesome. Are you your instrument as well? Probably. Yeah. In time, if I have enough time to do it.

Man, that is sick. Because Sirius is like the new coming of age single prop planes. Yeah. They have the thing called SR 22. little doors that kind of come up it's like all carbon fiber they're like the Lamborghini like butterfly doors

yeah they're sick dude they're awesome they're awesome make if you want to get one they're on back order I can't really fully afford like my own one but when I can like you can get one like super decked out customized like they're dope

that second picture on the right that's their serious business jet that one yeah and that thing legit you will sit in it and it's like an extended sitting in an extended suburban SUV yeah it's smooth super comfortable So there's a single engine. So you're the engine problems.

They have a parachute that deploys that for like as its safety feature. Yeah. And it's actually, they've actually had to do it like a couple of times. And they say like every time we do it, it's really cool because it just reconfirms. Like, even though it's a single engine jet, like we still have redundancies to make sure everyone's safe. Yeah. And if like the pilot gets incapacitated, there's a button on top of the roof. You just press that button and the computer will locate the nearest airport and land for you.

No, you don't touch nothing. Jesus. So you like, you enjoy like flying around more than you do like being in space. Well, yeah, I haven't been, I haven't been to space. But I'm saying, do you aspire to go to space? That was a great, that was a great comeback. Once I said it, I was like, oh, yeah, he has. No.

We have to be okay with the fact that we know we're sitting with a man that's much smarter than us. For sure. I hope to gain whatever knowledge he has to give us. Whatever droplets of information we can take, we got to soak that in. But laughing at me for dumb questions. No, no, no. We're not laughing at me. I'm telling you it's okay.

I know. No, I want to go to space. I would say, like, I've, like, thought about it. So every time I go to NASA, the first thing they asked me, it's like, but when are you're going to start astronaut training? I'm like, dang, you guys are, like, really serious about this. Like, they had me do a whole promo for them, for getting people to sign up to be astronauts and everything.

So they're really, like, the Bob Cabana, he's the head of Kennedy Space. Every time I see him, he's like, you know, when are you going to come work for me and go to space? I'm like, dang, man, you're really serious about this thing. So I think in time, like I probably would. I think that would be really cool. Yeah. I'm in no rush to do it, like, at this point. But with all the stuff going, like, so much commercial space,

right. Opportunities are out there. So I think it's something that I would do down the road. Would you want an internship with SpaceX? Internship with SpaceX. So you shadow Elon Musk? I would want to go see what they do. Because, like, just so I've, so they,

have a big site down NASA in Florida and they say like just talking with the NASA people like those SpaceX engineers work around the clock so went over there and so they have one of the launch pads. They have two launch pads down there. So when they saw their launch pads

and they have their landing zone where they land their rockets like at the space station after they detach. And so just like I've been around them like I've seen their operation and those people work like around the clock. I guess like what they What they've done for the space industry, they've changed the game. Just because of how often, like, how much they work, like how many strides they take forward

and short a amount of time, how many rockets they launch, when they launch a rocket like every week. And then they land it and reuse it and then launch it again. It's crazy. Damn. The cycling. You think Elon Musk is the answer. But I think, for Twitter. I don't want to get kicked off Twitter.

That's a hot button. I just wanted to ask that question so that way we had it for whatever clip we want to make. in case. I think, exactly. I mean, he's changing the game. Like,

yeah, I think so. Yeah. Do you think he could easily become a villain? Do I think he could become, I mean, I think he has the power to.

I don't think he would. Because everything, everything that he's done, literally has helped civilization, like, work smoother. That's how it starts. Starlink,

they're launching Wi-Fi for literally anywhere, anywhere in the world, you can have Wi-Fi. Tesla. We know what Tesla. doing with electric cars, you know? And he's like, all the strides that NASA will

make to go to the moon, go to Mars happen because they have companies like SpaceX, pushing the envelope on everything that they're doing. That's a rocket scientist answer. So obviously I don't think you're going to have the answer, and if you do, I can't wait. What is the future for space

travel for the normal, for like the general population? So. Phenomenal question. That's a great question. All right. Okay, boys. I appreciate it. He might be running for president one day. I would say like in the next... The next 20 years, people will be like going to the moon. It won't be...

It won't be an odd occurrence that normal civilians, they want to go to the moon. They'll have the ability to do it. I think like... There'll be people on Mars too soon. I don't know, like, how soon. People like, what, farming? Like, are they, like, putting a snake in the ground?

You know what? He wants to, like... I mean, you don't want to go on Mars. I mean, they're training astronauts to go to Mars actively. And live there? Yeah. I did. I mean, so the NASA, so I worked on the NASA Artemis project.

That was to go back to the moon. So the rocket that I was like working around launched beginning of December or end of November, I believe. And so that was unmaned, went to the moon. It was like a 20-day mission. The circles around the moon came back. But it is for the next launch in a couple years where they're going to rebuild the rocket. It's going to take people to the moon. And then like the fourth iteration of that rocket is to go to Mars and then to take people to Mars.

So it's close. It's very close. NASA works slower because there's a lot of red tape. There's a lot of political things around it. I mean, the president changes every four, eight years. And that really changes like NASA and like how fast that they can work and move forward. But because the commercial companies want to do it, the government will want to do it. And like, so it's going to happen soon.

And because also like people are interested in it. People are interested in space. People want to go to space. It's back cool now like it was in the 60s. So that will be soon. People will be going to the moon and then shoot Mars as well. Is Josh Todd's the smartest guest we've ever had on the podcast? Off the top of my head, yeah, him.

And I think number two would probably be a Burke Chrysler. It's a big drop off. It's a big drop. It's a big drop. Bert's a phenomenal. He's a very smart individual. But he ain't no rocket scientist. Some of those things where Josh is talking,

you're just like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm legit, like, learning. I feel like I'm, like, I'm enjoying this. Appreciate that. Imagine being the first, like, the first group of guys and gals that are like, all right, you guys want to go to the moon? And one's like, fuck hell, let's go. And then, like, we got it sets in, like, we are the first ones to do this.

Like, for vacation, too. Do you remember? If we do a vacation, like, how we're going to Cabo, like, it's like, hey, I'm getting this tickets. Let's go to the moon for five nights. Yeah. I heard it's great this time of year. Let's go and check it out.

Yeah. Dude, what was that? Was that in the 90s when, like, they sent, like, teachers up to space and that, they blew up? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't, that was a challenger. That was a challenger? I don't want to miss code it.

Challenger, yeah. So they have. You know, dude. So NASA has a statement. Said teachers school bus. Yeah, no, I got the joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tough joke.

They have a room. They have a room in the, uh, VAB down there where it's dedicated to, to the crash. And, um, they make all the commercial companies. like all the engineers that come through NASA, you have to go in the room. And you literally see the records. You see parts of the shuttle that they went and found and put in the room, all the records and stuff.

Just as a reminder that like every day that you're working, it might be monotonous. It might be, it should have been 10 years since they've launched a rocket. But you put people on the rocket. You know, there's actually souls going to space. And your work, you know, even though you're looking at the math and it's important, it's even more important with the life factor. So it's pretty quick.

It's like you go in there. You know, you're like, oh, a NASA's cool. And then you walk in there just puts it all into perspective. Fuck, man. Crazy. I'm too good for this bus.

Hey, before you do tear talk while you're talking, I got to pee. I forgot about some part of our conversation. And also teach them, shout, I don't know if you shout out. Okay, okay, okay.

Hurry up and pee, though. You said that you and I have had a couple run-ins before. When have we ran into each other before? I was just talking about the complex. Oh, okay. All right. I don't know if there was like a drunken stupidly night. I was like a losers or something.

And you're like, Yeah, you were actually... Arizona. What's that? That bender in Arizona was crazy. Yeah, a riot house in Arizona. Dude. For the Super Bowl.

That literally was a spot, too, always Old Town. I can't stand Old Town like that, though. Old Town's fun for, like, a couple days, and then you're like, all right, I'm good. I know, but I just... See, where I grew up in Arizona, I grew up in Cave Creek, and my mom would always have, like, this personal vendetta against everybody that lived in Scottsdale. We get down there, and you see the street signs started to change. You have these rich fucks.

like they're a bunch of like she would like implement like money money's yeah money's the enemy in my mind so i get down to scotch so my all these fake people out here i still like at 31 had that seemed like programming in my head i gotta get over that i gotta move i gotta move on from that uh but yeah old town is every girl from my high but most of the girls from my high school like they go to college and then they get jobs at like bottle blonde and stuff like that so look here when you go back when you go back to visit you're like you kind of feel like the man because you know a whole bunch You know everyone. You're like, you can go in and out, go wherever you want.

What's crazy to me is like when I was at that age, I'd be like, yeah, this is sick. And then you'd see like some 30-year-old guy and you're like, what are you doing? You're doing here. Now I think to myself, if I go to old town, I'm like, I'm fucking that 30-year-old guy. Yeah. I'm just an old fuck now. No, you can go. Screw it, man.

Yeah. I guess. May probably not. All right, tier talk. So the way tier talk's going to work is we're basically tier, like the way we talk about our audience. We have tier one fans. Like, they would drink the cool. laid there in the cult, they're about the business.

Tier 2 is like just under Tier 1 obviously. They're like, they watch, they listen, but they're not like extremely diehard fans. And there's a tier 3 sort of like basic viewers. So in Tier Talk, we have our category, which today is, Jack? I thought it was Best planets. Best planets.

Best planets. Best planets. Fitting. A lot of things. We might have a God tier on our hands too, boys. We might have a God tier. So the whole idea behind that is finding you're going to go three to one. You can have an honorable mention in there if you want. Okay.

And then it's going to be your third favorite, second favorite, and first favorite. All right. Planets. After you finish, and there's a lot of gentlemen on this bus today. I hope the camera, can you get the camera of everybody on the bus? Bossy. Everybody will go around with their microphone and give one word to describe how they felt about your tier talk. Okay.

So there's a lot of pressure here. I'm the only one doing it? No, we're all going to do it. You, me, and will. it's going to be a good deal It's just best Okay Best planets

I know it's a weird That's what I said Like it's very elementary I'm like dang I don't know I know my honorable mention is for sure And I know what my tier one is

Would you I think we might have a God tier God tier is if like You me and Will Just like say like Our favorite planet is this It becomes God tier Now your tier two is now your tier one

Tier three Blah blah You have to find a new Tier three Go ahead start us off I got to start herself with the tier talk. Yeah. Planets?

I came prepared. My Tier 3. No honorable mentions. God knows it will make the graphic. Although it is a New Year, New Us. New Year, New Us, G. New Year New Us, yeah. Maybe we put the honorable mentions in the graphic now.

Yeah. Honorable mention. No, I know. Listen, I don't want to be met with that kind of defense. We're doing the thing right now. We're trying to do a bid. Honorable mention shout out to Pluto. I would love to shout out Pluto.

I feel like it's somebody you kind of want to get to know. It's not a planet. Right. They got exiled. They kind of get kicked out of the classroom. You kind of want to know a little bit about their story. Maybe they got something going on. But I'm going to give an honorable mention shout out to Pluto.

That was mine. You made me go first. You made me go. I know. I didn't think you think of it. I don't think you think of it. I didn't think of it. My tier three is going to go to planet LV-201.

You guys might be wondering what that's from. It's home to one of the best crossover series that have been made, Alien versus Predator. It's a breeding ground. It's a planet where it's infested with aliens. And predators come every now and then the hunt big game. They call that. That's their sport.

So my tier three is going to go to planet LV-201. My tier two, the year of getting jack, 2023, my share two goes to planet fitness. It's all about making gains in 2023 boys. And getting jack and getting sculpted is one of them. My tier two is planet fitness. My tier one, and my tier one is true and dear to me. my heart, it's a shout-out. It's a, it's a tip of the cap to a Star Wars. Dagobah. Daegobah. Daegobah. Is it Dagobah? Daegobah. There we go. Obviously, it's true and dear to my heart. I can't

always pronounce the words correctly. I'm not on that alpha brain black label right now. But that's where Yoda was lived in exile after the third Star Wars in the series. In the swampy forest? In the swampy forest and brought the hope, the Jedi hope, back by training Luke Skywalker and teaching him the ways of the force. A lot of law of attraction, biblical, foundational teachings and philosophies come out of that movie. And it started on Daegobah. Degoba. So that's my tier one. That rounds out my list of favorite planets. Oh, it's pretty good. You're kind of thinking about the planets now, ain't you? Yeah. My list is a little different. All right. One word, Bloss. Go elite. Thank you, Bloss. Nice. Fictional.

hilarious I love it wrong he gets it he knows he understands the solid I'm up what's your word

to describe my tear talk solid just okay it's the first word to him my head imaginative thank you good word

do I get to ask Thomas why he's a fucking hater yeah yeah yeah ask him I only get one word to respond well now you can describe it

yeah what's up with the hate describe it deigelba You know, I just, I wasn't thinking in the confines. I was thinking in the confines of our eight planets in reality. You know, not necessarily businesses or fake planets. So, I mean, I guess it's not, no hate. Because I love Bangal.

Big Star Wars guy. It sounds like Thomas has really just fallen into a lack of imagination. You forgot the child in you. Yeah, I'm a total serious guy. There's nothing in me that joke. Your beanie says it all. Yeah. My yellow and orange together.

Yeah. That small town thinking, you're only thinking in. Yeah. You're in the box, man. I'm glad we figured out this is a you problem, not a will problem. That's outstanding. Yeah, get out of the galaxy, brother. That's not me, man.

I feel like it's wrong. Dobby, you want to go? You want me to go? Or do you want Taylor to go? I'll go because I don't want to go last because I don't think mine's going to be that great. Well, that kind of attitude, it won't. All right, I'll go. The first stuff, I want to give a shout out to Will Compton.

I think he did a phenomenal job there. I am going to give an honorable mention My honorable mention will be the same as Will's. It's going to go to Pluto. When I was in third grade, that motherfucker was a planet. Now all of a sudden, you're trying to tell me it's not a planet. Take out my fucking school and that I had. Fuck you, school.

That is a planet. And I think it was done wrong. I think it was very disrespectful of what they did to Pluto. And I think Pluto needs its day. Pluto needs to be talked about more fucking free Pluto, dude. Because this is out in the confines. When I was Googling shit, it literally had the eight planets. And they made the planets big enough to where they had

to stuff out Pluto's little ass. Like put Pluto back in the fucking image and just put Pluto, dude, and just go from there. I don't want to cut you off. But Pluto hasn't gone one lap around the Earth in your life. I mean, one lap around the sun in your life. What does that mean? I mean, it's like, it's not a planet. No, no, no. It's a follower.

He's a follower. It beats by its own drum. It's not a planet. Oh, you all right? I'm out here doing shit. You know what I'm saying? Let me be here. It's a long time to get around. You see how all the motherfuckers out there? You can't even see it. We barely see Jupiter sometimes, that big ass piece of shit. My tier two is going to go to Neptune.

That big blue bastard. Sorry, my tier three, not my tier two. My tier three is going to go to Neptune. That planet is overshadowed by Jupiter, that big ass ball of whatever with that little fucking... Is that Jupiter with all the gas? It's really big. It's that cool hole. Jupiter's the biggest one.

Yeah. That's Jupiter. All right. Neptune. The only reason why it's in my tier talk is anytime I saw a picture, I thought to myself, that's a cute-ass planet. That thing's blue. it's beautiful and I love it I like Neptune dude

I like Neptune a lot Passion by that Neptune yeah my tier two is uranus and you can probably pick together why I thought tier two should be uranus dude because

I think it's somewhere we all want to be we all want to be in uranus Will because you like fingering dude dude what are you talking about you do something twice and all of a sudden you're a bad guy twice

what do you mean dude what do you mean bro I'm a bad dude, dude, because I like, whatever. I fuck with uranus, dude. I mess with uranus. And my tier one, salute to the earth, dude. You got water, you got gravel,

you got that good-ass oxygen. People can breathe wherever they want around there. People are bitching about the trees and stuff, too, but the only place that you can just get out and go and be all right without a dumb-ass mask on you. Be grateful. Yeah, we could probably save more trees. Plant a couple, dude.

We should do that this year for 2023. only get jack but plant a couple trees. Help out this beautiful earth. That is my tear talk. Help the earth get jacked. Help the earth get jacked. I will. Before you guys do your one word, I didn't like that. I was interrupted multiple times. All right. Do it. If you need to put that into one, your one word, that's fine. But just know that pissed me off a little bit, dude.

That's fair. I apologize, too. Thank you. My question was going to be like, why were you so angry presenting the whole time? I don't know. You were like yelling. I was passionate, dude. fucking Neptune, dude. Find Jupiter's big fucking ugly ass. I got mad. I got mad about Pluto.

Because I remember being, I remember being in third grade being like, that's a cute ass little dot, like hanging out. And then all of a sudden it was just gone. And there was really no explanation. They're just like, no, it's a star. Or what, is it a star? I think it's a satellite, considered a satellite now?

Is there Wi-Fi? No. How is it a satellite? No, oh, Pluto. Oh, Pluto. Neptune is big and cute. Yeah, Neptune. Neptune, Neptune is massive.

Massive. Just too small. That's it? Yeah, it's just too small. He got the little guy. That's crazy, dude. You know, I didn't make the rules. Don't get mad at me.

I'm just reporting the news. Darren Sprouls was too small. There you go. Look at him. Proving the haters wrong. My boy, Deuce, out at Kansas State. They said he was too small. Blake Horn was too small. We'll see.

We'll see. They just can't be football players because they're small. It'll be back. It'll be back. Better be back. Pluto's making a difference. So I apologize for my anger coming out, but Pluto did rough me up a little bit. Boyce, one word.

Passionate. Thank you. Vulgar. Intergalactic. Intent. Grateful. Thank you. Cosmic.

Invigorating. Passion. I'll take all those. I'll take all those. Yours was very truthful, unlike Will's. His was a little fantasy, you know? Yeah. I love that I'm coming from the heart.

Also, before you go, Mitch, I feel like you just find out a word in your head, and regardless of what anyone says, like, you just, that's what you do. That's fair. Intergalactic. It was a cool word. And I enjoyed that. But I also thought to myself, that's not genuine. That's just something he thought to himself as he was talking.

He's like, oh, that's a cool, big word I'm going to say. And you got what you wanted. I looked up outer space there. Did you really? Buzzlight, you said this in Toy Story. I'm going to use it. All right, Josh, you're up, dude. I'm up.

All right. My honorable mention to start, because everyone pronounces it wrong, is uranus, not Uranus, only for his pronunciation issues. All right. Tier three. Tier three, we'll start with Venus. It's Earth's evil twin. I just think it's sick.

Like, if you just look at the science behind it, they have, like, crazy hail storms. It's just an intense planet. My tier two is Marl's. Because it's the future of human civilization is where we're going next. And my tier one is Earth, just like Taylor. I'm thankful to be here. Why is Earth? Why is Earth and Venus?

Why are they considered twins? Because they're like, can we live on Venus? They're the same size, same mass. But like everything Earth has, like oxygen and nitrogen, like Venus has the exact opposite. So no, we can't live. What's the opposite of, for those of the people that don't know? I think it's like very high, um, I think like carbon diagic.

I don't know all the science behind it. I did it. I learned it one time. I was like, oh, that sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I just love the fact that you ask the question because you're like, I'm sure people out there like, like we're all in class right now. Yeah. I'm sure somebody else's in the class of this. Yeah.

Why can't we live on Venus? Hey, well, you just coughed. He coughed all over me. Like, spit in my arm. I'm sorry. I don't think I got anything. All right. All right.

One word. Blas. Knowledge. Stellar. here we go here comes straightforward it's a two words

it's a hyphen hyphenated we do the hyphenated words here yeah educated you better not say it again smart educate

yeah yeah yeah tiffy thanks malone hyphen milky way yeah

yeah Yeah. We'll put an hyphen in there. Informative. Thank you. That was good, dude. That was good. Should we include them on Shoutout, No Free Shoutout?

Yeah, if we want to. Do you, are you familiar with Shout Out No Free Shoutout? What's that? So you've never watched an episode. I've watched it ever. I haven't watched a full episode. You just watch Clips? Yeah.

Fair tier three of you. We have a big Tier 3 fan base. Okay, so Shout Out No Free Shoutout is our favorite segment of the week. The way we phrase Shout Out No Free Shouted is on this podcast, we're not going to shout you out. We're not going to shout you out. You got to pay to play in this game. This is our opportunity to dish out a couple of shoutouts to those small little things in life that maybe are overlooked or underappreciated. Okay.

So we will all go first and then you may have the floor if you would like to. Okay. Blas. Just us? All right. Do you want to go first? We want to go first. I have mine.

Go ahead. It happened this morning. Oh. My shout out, no free shout out, goes to. I forget how I'm going to argue. You want me to? My shout-out, no-free shout-out, goes to when you're at the cash register

and you're speaking to somebody and they look at you and they say, all right, that'll be however much money. 1249 and you put your credit card in and then they take that little white thing and they spin it back to them and they don't give themselves a tip because they realize they turn it too fast

and they pressed no tip. They were the bad guy for themselves. They took that extra initiative. Yeah. And so you kind of walk away being like, damn, they actually deserve a tip now for not taking a tip themselves. But the integrity of that individual, wow, that's incredible.

A good shoutout. Thank you. I thought about that on this bus. My shoutout, no free shoutout goes to love at first taste. When you get that, when you take it, whether it's a swig, have that first bite, and you get that electric shock down both your jaws that you just tasted something nice. Yes, dude. It goes out to that little subtle difference that makes in your day because when you taste something that's, it was after a hard workout, I took a, I took a drink of that drink you put me on.

Yeah, Celsius. Celsius. Those Celsius drinks, I took the little peach flavored and it rocked my jaw, dude. I was like, dude, I'm in heaven. I'm glad to be out of this workout and sipping some liquid with the boys. So my shoutout, no free shoutout goes to love at first taste. Yeah, that was a good one, dude. That was really good. I was really good. I was really good at the end, but I was tripping a little bit, but I called myself. All right. Josh, do you want to give one? Yeah, I'll give one. I'll give one. My shout out, no free shout out. That's what I say? All right. My shout out, no free shout out. goes to sleeping your own bed. You know, when you're traveling on the road, when you haven't been home for a long time, just the first time you're able to look at your bed, jump in it and sleep in it, just that sensation of being home.

Yes. That's a good. That's a good shout-up. Because them covers will touch you nice, bro. They'll press you. Yeah. Then you're rocked up next second. You don't know what to do.

You're like, am I going to go to bed right now? Am I going to finish this boy off? Yeah. I don't know. What's what? You start like straightening your legs and stiffening your legs. they'd be like, God, this thing is touching me. He's like, what are we doing?

And he kind of comes out of the seat. Right at you. Yeah, dude. Nothing like jerking off in your own bed. That was Josh Jobs. Shout out. That was Josh Jobs. It's jerking off in your own bed, Josh Dobbs.

There is a nice little deal when you get in, like, from the opposite. Like, you get in a hotel room, you lock that door and the night is over. You don't even have to lock you. You take that generic-ass little watery-ass lotion. You're like, you're about to have hell. You looked out at your little buddy. And you go, you know, you know, know what's up. Yeah. See, I'm lazy, though. I don't think, uh, I don't think lotion,

like I want my hands to kind of stay dry, so I just get that rag. Really? Yeah, I'm rag. Yeah, I'm straight. Yeah. No, I think that little, that little water lotion needs to, I'm in a hotel room. Then you got to get up and go wash your hands after. Nah, I don't. You know, you just wipe it with the same? Yeah, I kind of give that, you know, when you have the rag and you have, like, that hard streak after, like, you got to, like, you're taking off a layer of skin with that rag. And the next day you wake up, you're like, the scent is still there. Which is nice. Yeah, it's just like.

It's all right. Like, the best set you can probably get is, like, eucalyptus or lavender. But usually it's that plain Jane, like you know there's lotion there. But then you think to yourself, are people going to realize this lotion is only on one hand? Yeah. I got after last week with some conditioner. Oh. Yeah.

Matter of fact, it was Dukes. Duke's their conditioner. Yeah. Duke Cannon conditioner had this nice, minty smell. That can hurt, though. It can hurt, but it felt nice. I had the cooling sensation afterwards a little bit. I was a little frightened.

Because of my story. Right. But it wasn't like that. It was nice. Yeah. Do you remember the first time you masturbated? Do you remember the first time you did? Do you?

We've talked about it before on the pod. Like, we have. Get your own story to tell if you want to tell it. Yeah. I'll tell you, I remember my first time. I remember like it was yesterday. I don't really want to know your first time. He's drawn the line.

I appreciate your openness, though. I really do appreciate it. There's no lime wire was involved. Are you sure you don't want to... We talked about on the pod. Dude, for real. I'll go Adam 22. So, we don't,

we're going to assume you don't want to talk about your first time masturbating on... I'll probably pass this. Maybe my second time. It's probably smart just because you got, like, NAS and some big shit in your future. Yeah, NASA is obviously watching this podcast right now. He'll almost and go, oh, he masturbated, never mind.

He might have some homies at NASA. And it's like, oh, they're on this podcast. I want to watch Josh. Yeah. Yeah. Getting you guys, you know, some new viewership. Yeah. That'd be cool.

Different clientele. That is cool. It's going to be awesome. More of the University of Tennessee. It feels, seems like you're like, loved. There's Peyton Manning and then there's probably Josh Dobbs. Yes. What about the last thing?

What about the game? He saw it at the game. I saw. Yeah. I saw it. That's why I'm saying that. Yeah. The games are hilarious.

Just like the, like, I mean, just like going upstairs and just like the whole process of it. They're all about. They're all about Josh Dobbs, dude. That's awesome. It's an incredible feeling. you feel it the rest of your life. Live. You should go at least once a year

the rest of your life just to get that ego boost. Just like if I'm feeling down on myself, I just go to Knoxville. Oh, it's fall? Not for long. Let me show up real quick. I'm off the No, so I got to meet him.

I had the privilege of meeting him right in front of the elevator. I remember it clearly. And I was thinking, don't overplay your hand, Will. Hey, you should come on the bus one day. Do you say you should come on the bus? He did, that's the first thing you said.

Well, it is always trying to get people on the bus like that. I'm always out to recruiting. Always. Always. Always. Always. see always be closing. Yeah.

I'm saying. That's my sales tactic. Well, we got some strings, though. He was in the chancellor's box. He was up there. I saw him. Yeah, you really like that. He says you really like that.

You really like that? And I knew there was some underground because of Jack, too. Like, Jack goes, like, he leaves the bus. Yeah. He leaves us for like a week every year to go. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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Y'all play golf? I like to try it. I like to smoke cigars and play music and have a good time. I mean, it's just an open bar at the golf course, basically. You guys got to come playing the golf tournament this year. You have a golf tournament? Yeah, in Knoxville. That's what you're saying, Chase Rice.

Chase Rice. Chice Rice. He played that. Last year was the first year. Honey Chase. Yeah, you got to pull it this year. It's fine. Where is it?

It's at Tennessee National, just right outside of Knoxville, like, on the weekend of the spring game. All the, all the VFL is coming back and playing it. Hey, you see this? What weekend is that? It is the third weekend of April. Third week in April. That's a busy time for the boys on the bus. We're doing a little.

Spring Tour. We could do Knoxville. Were we doing in Knoxville again? I don't think we were. I don't know. We could make that work. We don't want to give anybody out there hope that we could be rolling through Knoxville again. We're trying to put together a fun little spring tour.

If you're around, just let me know. I don't really golf, but I'll go. Yeah. Yeah. Thomas doesn't golf. Have some bruise with the boys? Yeah. Hopefully Chase is there.

You get them back. Yeah. Chase have fun. You won't play again. No. He's not there chasing. Did we ask all more questions? Is there anything?

Are you any questions from? Jack, a Tennessee fan. I mean, I know, Josh. I mean. Anything that you're listening to. Anything you would ask as a fan, not as a friend. Right, right.

What was your most memorable moment as a volunteer? I wanted him to walk through the most iconic play from his career in Tennessee, which was the Georgia Hail Mary. Hell yeah. Tennessee fans. It was like not just the play itself for the game, but we had a string of weeks where was that the first time

we beat Florida the week before in 11 years? Yeah. Crazy game. came back, waning against Florida, and then the Hail Mary that Josh threw to, um,

yeah, Juan. Um, I don't know. I thought that was cool, but that's not really like, necessarily a question. You did it.

You just did it. Now, tee it up. Finish it up. Put a question mark at the end of that. How monumental was that for not only your college career, but confidence moving forward

going into the NFL? Well, that was a good way to round that off. That was good. That was a nice question. That's the best question of the day. Snaps for Jack. Yeah.

No, it was live. So like, so I grew up in Alfred of Georgia, so just outside of Atlanta. I wasn't really recruited by Georgia, but I never wanted to go to Georgia. But I just had beef because I never really liked Georgia. So like a senior year on the road at Georgia. We're like going back and forth the whole game. But then they're like, oh, I don't want to lose to Georgia.

Like a beat him last year. We got to beat them again. And they threw like a Hell Mary-ish play like right before it. So there was like 15 seconds left. They just burned their last time out. I was really standing next to Malone. They're on like the 47-yard line, but they have to score a touchdown.

We and Malone are like, oh yeah, we won. Like, we're like, we're about to get on the plane, get back to Knoxville. It's live. We just won at Georgia. And then the next play, they throw a whole shot down the sideline.

Dude catches it in stride. And we literally look at each other like, no way. So they score. With how much time left? There's 11 seconds left on the clock. Oh, shit. But listen,

it's a dude from there. side line runs on the field, no helmet, 15-yard penalty. And he's actually, he's from Nashville. That's why it was funny. He wanted to go to Tennessee. He didn't come. He ran on the field, 15-yard penalty, so backed him up. And so we had the best returner in the nation that year, Evan Berry.

So they had to kick it. They had to kick him the ball. It would just kicked out the back of the end zone. We'd be running a hook and ladder and just praying. They had to kick it. He catches it. They tried to like pooch kick it. He catches it on the 30.

He runs right. We're like, all right, keep going, keep going. He runs. He runs. He looks at the clock. runs out of bounds at their 46 yard line with four seconds left on the clock. And so before that, we're like, are we going to do hook and ladder or we're going to throw Helmerie? So we get to that yard line, we're like, all right, we can throw Helmerie.

So we get on the field, line up, call timeout, come to the sideline, get back on the field. And then they rush three. And it was like, make sure you don't take a sack. Make sure you don't throw it out of the back of the end zone. Yeah. Yeah. Pepper this checkdown Four seconds

He was waiting for that The whole story The whole story I thought of it once you said Don't take a sack I'm like oh he's going And then you kind of smiled I'm thinking like oh shit

Yeah I'm gonna get him I'm gonna get him Yeah that was a good one Just rub it in my face Kick me on down Check down Check down

Now I just threw it to Jawan He did the hard part He threw a bomb And when he caught it You're like it's fucking up You're probably just sprinting down So when he caught it Is this the play?

Yeah, this is the play? So when he caught it I really remember seeing him Like catch it right here And then it was like All hell broke loose God, that's so cool It was at Georgia

So that was what was so cool about it Because you could literally hear a pin drop And then they put all the Tennessee fans Like open the rafters at the top of the stadium And it's just like They're just going crazy the band is like at the top of the stadium too playing Rocky Top and then like

Sea of Red silence God. Why? That's fucking cool. Tennessee does have one of the best fan bases. They really do. They roll so deep. They do.

What a bomb too. No, you know everybody in the defense, everybody fucking jumping for the ball and shit. I know that defense coaches were just... I was trying to find the play that said it up because literally Georgia threw like a 40-yard bomb with 12 seconds prior to this play. We were up four points.

It was for them, and they were going to win. And then they were, Davis could just beat us. And everyone's like, no fucking wins. We're 4-0, undefeated, and they threw it. And I forget who said it. Someone goes, damn, they about to party their butts off tonight. It was like electric in the stadium.

It got rowdy. But then we were able to come back. Who's that, coach? Coach Jones. Coach Jones. Coach Jones. Where's he at now? He's at Arkansas State.

Oh, damn. That's tough. Yeah. Good dude. Yeah. Really good dude. You play with some good players. Yeah, I saw Kamara on there.

Yeah. You feel like Kamara's most underutilized college football player of all time? Yeah. Well, like, we had Jalen Hurd, too. Most underutilized college football player of all time. You just see what he's doing in the league. He's going crazy.

You got that we had Jalen Hurd too. Jalen Hurd was a thousand-yard rusher as a freshman and sophomore. And then Alvin got there too. So, and then once Jailen got hurt, Alvin obviously started going off, but he was already going off. He just, like, we would give the ball to Jalen a little bit more

than we gave it to Alvin. So, I mean, obviously at hindsight, you're like, man, this dude's amazing. He's, like, one of the best running backs in the league. Wish we could have used him more in college. But, like, at the time, he thought we were utilizing people the best we could, you know? Damn.

Now I'm thinking, I'm like, fuck, I don't want to keep going here that much longer. But I am curious. there's a couple players that I'm thinking of that you play with on the Steelers. The Pouncey. Bouncy's. So I've heard nothing but like

insane things about the way he is as a leader. And also it seems like you got to play with Antonio Brown. I would love that. Was it with A.B. Yeah. What did you think of A.B.? Like playing with them on the black and yellow. Yeah.

Black and gold. I don't want to butcher Pittsburgh Nation. Like and yellow. Yeah, black and yellow. Black and yellow. Oh, I just got a text from Dennis Kelly. Todd Downing and Keith Carter were fired.

I didn't even see anything. So that might be... That might be... Privilege information. Breaking information. But that was from Dennis Kelly. Oh, really? Yeah, it feels from Dennis,

and that means it's probably out there. Keith Carter? The old line coach. That's crazy. Wow. The reaction. My reaction? Keith Carter and Todd Downing just got fired. Real time.

We just saw right now. What's your reaction to that? I don't think you can say that. Yeah. We got a video. Wow. We got a video. Oh, my phone.

My phone's out there. You got the video? So, Coach Major. That's his name, not. And then Keith Carter and Todd Downing. Oh, Eric Frasier did? Yeah. Rob Moore's still there.

I don't think Rob is going anywhere either. What an interesting, I mean, first initial thought. I know you're literally on the spot. I know I'm without any time to register any of that information. I think Todd is an incredibly good person. He's like awesome to be around. He's a great guy. You kind of could tell like obviously the whole season, everyone's calling for his head.

Like that writing was on the wall. There was a moment when I went out to a walk. I think it was right before you got there. I was literally in a poncho. And Todd, Todd was like, oh, you're playing tied in? I was like, yeah, I'm going to play tight end next year for you. And he goes, oh, you go into and he recited some random high school football team. I think Todd knew he was going to be fired.

I think so. I'm really, I don't know. Hard goes out to him. Good family man. Good dude. Obviously a bad situation after the Packers game. Keith. He's been there.

Yeah, for like five years. That's five years. Yeah, man, Keith and I have had a very up and down relationship. And I think it's ended at a much higher point. But damn. I think like when Keith first got there, the way he came in and the way he came in, and the way he was trying to act towards everybody,

like very disrespectful, very... Like the authoritarian? Very authoritative, but like in a very like dictatorship type of way. Keith grew every single year. And he did live on the O line with impossible standards. That was kind of like one of those things. You know how it gets kind of toxic sometimes. Like it's never good enough.

You think you do well, but all of a sudden there's one or two plays you want back. And sometimes you just want to pat on the back and you never truly get that. I think Keith is a good... I think Keith is a good offensive line coach that was stricken by injuries. Me, Ben, Nate, Brewer was hurt this year,

Nick missed a couple games. That's all five starting guys were hurt. So that's not necessarily Keith Carter's fault. I think he'll be able to get a job in the NFL game. But, yeah. I think, yeah. I mean, I don't want to say anything disrespectful. Right.

Because I think he's a good dude. And I think like he has his nice friendship Friendship is a very loose term But our business relationship got a whole lot better From the first time he was in to now I just wish he He focused a little bit more on Taking care of the older players

I think Ben got a little more of that towards the end And then I kind of did this year But um Those practices are hard and they wear on your body And they're where your tires are really fast And you could see it towards the end of the season sometimes But I think I think Keith He's going to get another job.

I think he does a great job. I don't know Coach Midget at all. Pass him in the hallway, knocks every once in a while, and that's kind of what it is. I hope it works out for him. But damn, that's crazy. Yeah, it's happening.

Black Monday. Yeah, I didn't think, I didn't think they'd be fired until later. I didn't think Keith, I did not think Keith was going to get fired. Damn. Are we sure it's Keith Carter? Do you see that Blake Quorum's coming back?

Yeah, I did. Oh, I meant to put a tweet out there, like, bro, there's only so much shred on the tire in the NFL. You got to go. Leave this conference. Figure things ahead, brother. No need to come back to Michigan. Yes. Nebraska will take care of it for you.

Three-time Bay 10 champions coming up. Last thing, Josh's final. Hang on. Don't even bring that out, Doug. He was talking about it. He was talking about it before that news came out. He's talking about a couple of his teammates from the Steelers. Let him talk. No, no, no.

What are you going to go to Nebraska game? I just want to know about Josh's last game as of all. The Nebraska game? Yeah. 38, 28, I believe. It wasn't that close. Close game. What was the score?

You said 34. 28. 10 points. I mean, we're talking about two possessions. And they scored with like two minutes left in the game. And then we took a knee. We were going to be lower doing handshakes in the locker room. What year was that?

20, 2016? Yeah, 16. Mike Riley was the head coach, right? Coach, right? Coach. Yeah. I think that's part of the Mike Riley era. Like, that's...

You don't support that? Hey, sick, Jack. You beat Mike Riley. I didn't beat anyone. We always have just the... I have a clearly healthy rivalries in college football. We have the most historic rivalry in college football. Have you ever heard of the Boston Trophy?

The Boston Bowl? Did you see that? No, what's that? So you didn't see it. Oh, wow. I thought you watched. So you don't follow? At all.

Yeah. He's an honorable mention, watcher, dude. Yeah, every year, Michigan, Nebraska, they play for the Bustin Bowl. There's a 40-pound bus trophy. We got made. Yeah, it's sitting in Michigan's trophy room right now, along with Paul Bunyan, along with the brown jug, for those of you want to. When did you all start that? To a Bay 10 trophy championships.

This was the first year? This is the first year. That's a lie. Yeah. Bro, we kind of just brushed over those guys getting fired. Yeah. Well, like, what do you really say? I don't know.

I just feel bad. Todd Downing, I feel like everyone was just waiting for that one. Yeah. I don't think it was coming today. What kind of what kind of homage are we wanting to spend time on it? Like, are you wanting to ask somebody a question after you spoke? No, no, no, no. I just kind of spoke and I didn't want to be like disrespectful.

And now I'm like kind of rethinking about what I said. I'm like, it wasn't disrespectful. Yeah, it wasn't. It didn't feel disrespectful, but I was also like, you also got to cover all basis. Those are human beings with families. And I want to make sure that I'm not like being rude. Right. But yeah, okay, so we can move on.

We can absolutely move on from that. And you're, you're, go ahead. This is just such a good pop, but I'm thinking of the two-hour mark right now. I don't know how you're feeling about sitting here. Okay, I'm good. I'm straight. Because now there's a few questions I want to ask. I still want to talk to you about the teammates getting to play with Pouncey and Antonio Brown.

And I also want to ask about your situation, like being in the headspace where you're at, being somebody that's been on IR all year. Yeah. And you've talked openly about anticipating being cut and everything else. Or whether or not that happens, time will tell. But like, where has your headspace in since? Because it's one thing knowing that like, you know, this could be my last year in Tennessee, I could probably get cut.

Like, we're in the season. The minute the game ends on Saturday, it's a different vibe because even I don't even play and I felt so I'm like, damn, it's just over for the boys. Now it's off-season mode. Yeah. It's definitely gotten more real. I feel like it's, yeah, it had to have gotten more real for you. It's gotten way more real for me because it's like we talk about all.

time. Like, me saying I'm going to get cut is like my weird, like, subconscious, like, egotistical way of being like, I know I'm going to get got. And so I don't want people to think, like, I'm just getting blindsided here. Like, I know, like, the writings on the wall for me. So I keep vocalizing it. One, because it's, that's kind of how I process things, but also, like, in a weird way, it's like me getting ahead of it, you know?

And once that game ended on that checkdown, I literally thought to myself, like, damn, it really is over. Like, this is probably the last time I will. ever be on, you'll see the name Terrell Luan on a Tennessee Titan roster, even though it was on IR this year. And so that like definitely, like Saturday I told you, I like, I saw Taylorin like after the game. I was like, hey, we don't talk about this now, but like I feel weird right now. I do feel, I feel like, I feel like, I would say emotion. I think emotion's going to come when that time happens. And I had a conversation with Ryan Cowden today. And I walked in his office.

I love Ryan. I think Ryan's a great dude. I have no. idea how good of a GM he would be. John Warren him there. I think there's nothing he could have shown in these last seven weeks being the GM in town like he brought you in. They did a great job. You know, like that's, that's huge. But like where are they going? What's their process? I hope he does get the job because the person he is. And I know he does things a little bit differently. But I walked into his office and I was like, I know, because I've gained a relationship with him. I was like, I know you're going to cut me. And I know that that's going to happen. And just know when you make that phone call and it's going to be difficult for you to pick up that phone.

because of our relationship, no, I'm not going to take this personally. I understand the business and I'm not going to think this is you cutting me. I think this is the Tennessee Titans cutting me. And we had a fantastic like 15, 20 minute long conversation about other things too, but it is just, it's just wild. Like I've never, like, I've never been cut before. And I've never, like, had to feel that. And I know sitting in the team room with Rable, he always talks about guys like, oh, so-and-so,

how many times you've been cut? And they're like, seven. and other guys are like 10 or whatever and then they find their home somewhere and they're like damn this person's been cut that many times they've traveled in a suitcase like you're saying like you're a nomad and so now I'm thinking like damn like everyone gets got and when you're in the position I am

you think I'm never going to get got but here I am in plain sight with the sights on me knowing that like it's probably 95% going to happen and so it sucks but it's also completely understandable

And we talked about before, there's there's arguments I could sit here and be like, oh, okay, I could be back at the Titans because of these things. Like, these are the pros. And, but like, if I were to like, if I was a GM and I'm looking at Taylor Luan, I would think upside is solid. The downside is two ACLs in three years. Like, how do you, unless I were to come back and we would renegotiate where I'm playing for way less money, like there's no way I'm on that roster again. So it's just different. It is a weird thing to think about being in that building today was really weird. Being that team meeting for the first time since week two is just a weird feeling. It's interesting too because you've been out of it since week two, right? And you can even feel yourself. You said it earlier. Like I've been more, you lean into becoming more of a fan because you're just not in the daily routine with the boys.

So you feel separated. But the minute that game ends, for whatever reason, it feels so much more finite. Like right now, it just in real time coaches are getting fired. Like, it just sucks because you. You build such like a pack mentality all year long about the aspirations, the goals we're going to achieve together. And then the minute it ends, whether anybody likes it or not, you have to come in the next morning with a business hat on and start asking people.

That's just like the nature of the business, which sucks. You know what I mean? And you know, like, all this transition happening, that last year and the culture and the team and the core guys that they've had the last few years or whether or not that all stays intact. But either way, it's like, damn, this is going to be a way. different looking team. Same once you get removed from college for a few years and you don't even know anybody anymore.

Yeah, that fourth year you're in the league. You're like, damn, I don't know anybody more. You're like, man, I don't even really have a pulse. Yeah. On this team anymore. It's like, it has to move on without you, which is like, yeah, that's the nature of the game. But still, it's like acknowledging that.

Like when that last play happened, it's like, we were sitting there talking about it in real time. It's like, man, it just sucks at the boys. Like tomorrow's going to be that trash bag day. Everybody's got to be. That's the worst thing. Taylor's face a little bit. I'm like, man, if I'm feeling stuff,

I can only imagine. Like, I'm sure he's feeling, I'm sure he's feeling that shit too, whether or not you've been on IR all years. So like, damn, this year, this page is actually going to have to actually turn now versus talking about it all year long and anticipating it.

Yeah, it sucks. It is fucking, it's hard. It's a hard thing to think about because, like, my whole life has been playing football and lucky enough being really good at playing football. And now I'm looking, I'm 31.

Your solo team's like, obviously high school you dipped on your bat. The shitty team went to the good team to get a championship or two. I respect. But university is like, yeah, you're in Michigan for four years. Yeah. You've had, yeah, you've had the ability to stay on one team for nine, yeah, nine years. Nine years, yeah. And it's just crazy that it's like, oh, that's done.

And I remember like being a rookie or like a second year or a third year guy in the NFL and watching these old guys and them talking about how they, openly talking about how they're out of the prime and I'm like, damn, fuck those guys. Like, why are you talking like that? You don't even know. Like, that's never going to come from me. You never think like it's, oh, now I'm 31 and it's like, yeah,

like if you looked at me on paper, like my prime has passed me. I could sit here and pretend like, no, I'm still him. I can still do this, but like, that part of it might be over. And like, who knows? Like, let's say I did want to go play football again. I would have to sit there and be like, okay, what are the logical expectations

I need to have on myself for this season. Not only that, but now I have to re-go back into that headspace that you and I talk about all the time where there is the, I found so much success in football because I railroaded people. I had like a low-key, a narcissistic mentality.

Like I have to get to where I need to go. And if anybody's in the way of that, they're just getting pushed to side. Emotions, all of them are getting pushed to the side. And I'm going. And now I get hurt. And the thing that when I got hurt, this year, it didn't hurt as bad emotionally because last year, off season 2021, I literally

did everything I could. I was working. My diet was on point. My conditioning was on point. My strength and, like everything was on point. I was dialed to fuck in. You get hurt the second game of the season. It literally is one of those things where it's like I did everything I could during that

journey even know like the result is not what I wanted. So I literally separated myself way easier than I thought I would from feeling negative emotions while still working through them, like I started feeling like happier. Like I started realizing, oh, I don't have to act like this. I started doing like self-work, being like, how do I work on me so I don't have to feel this resentment from this person or that person

because of how a railroad in the past trying to get to the top of wherever I was. And now it's like, okay, if I want to go play football again, the only thing I know how to play football at a high level is to go back into that mindset. But it's so difficult to do once you realize what you've been doing to people. You know what I'm saying?

understand. It's so much, it's so difficult. That's why people like, it's hard for people to understand what it takes to be a professional athlete. A professional athlete alone, but an elite professional athlete. Like, it's very, you have to be so selfish. And it's fucking, it's hard. So now I have to go and reevaluate that. Because we literally, I was telling well, like, I think I'm, I think I'm done. I don't know if I want to play anymore. The second that game ended, the second they took it me, I was like, maybe I should do one more. Maybe I can, and then you start playing that fucking same game you've played in your head over and over again where it's like you could come back and do X, Y, and Z.

What a comeback story. And now you're rewriting that story in your head that only you really know. Yeah. So I'm like, fuck. It's been a weird couple of days for me. It's been a very weird couple of days. Like something I got to sit with and figure out. Mm-hmm.

Got any words or advice for the boy? You got any advice for me? I mean, shoot, take it one day at a time. Like, you know, that's my, that's the biggest thing. I feel like sometimes you get caught up in like that cliche like you know take it one day a time like one meeting at time but I mean it's really real it's like how you feel right now won't affect how you feel right now like the emotions of the situation the season ending like there's just a ton of emotions just thrown right at you but things are like just taking

time to just like chill take it a day of time and then like personally I know you're trying to figure out like shoot am I going to come back and play football just play ball it's like I feel like you know, a lot of people ask me why when you just go, like, do engineering, you know what I mean? Like, it's been six years. Like, you didn't get your opportunity. Why are you just go do engineering? And, like, the biggest thing for me is, like, I played football since I was five. I'm sure it's probably similar story for you.

And it's like, the blessing that is to be a professional athlete and then to be at the top, it's like as long as, at least for me, as long as, like, I can do it. And there's even an ounce of possibility that I can be a professional athlete playing the game that I've loved since I was five, I'll take it in my own. with it. So I'm just like just putting that into perspective like seeing all the emotions thrown at you taking a breath, taking a day at a time and then going from there and then all I want to do this and then working hard every single day at it. That's kind of, that's my mindset. And I know that's, as you said, that's being your mindset. Just because you've recognized you're in a different

headspace doesn't mean you can't be that same player in a different headspace. Oh yeah. Or it also doesn't mean too like maybe like again I'm not like trying to speak for you or nothing like that. but I'm saying, even for me, if you decide, like, one day you wake up and just decide, like, man, I'm not as interested. Like, that's obviously all right, too. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've always, it's always a tough thing about getting out of it is there's people like there were always, you know, like family members or people in your close circle that, you know, they think like you need to be putting more focus in the football versus like, you know, man. For me, it's like doing more of this stuff like, hey, why aren't you trying to be in a training camp and stuff like that?

and it's like being okay with like releasing yourself of those expectations you know like that's like the harsh part like the outside expectation right because you say that too you said that too in the ending your journey is obviously different but the ending is like you know you could still be the same player in the same breath but it's also good it's also fine if you're like not one the yeah if you just if you want I think it comes to I mean at the end of the day like you each of us you know we've earned I feel like just the work we've put in just in our craft whether it's on the field or just in life like earn the ability to be able to do whatever you want. Which is, which is, which is powerful.

Yeah, it's like the majority doesn't get to do that. So even understand that perspective that we're in the position to even get to choose what our path will be. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It is fucking, it's an interesting predicament to be in. Because I don't know you guys, but I'm sure this conversation happened in the locker room all the time where it's like, how many years do you want to play in the NFL? And my answer for that

You're like, somebody after a tough day Yeah, you're like, how long you want to do this? I only got one more year. Yeah. And like the majority of people will say 10.

Yeah. I never said 10. I always had this cliche line. I was going to play football until I win. And it was not like win a Super Bowl, whatever,

just feel like whatever. Basically it was like fulfillment. Like if I feel like I've won the game of football where like I've done what I needed to do in this game to leave an impression that I'm proud of,

then I am, I'm good. And if I sat about it, I'm like, I've done that. I've conquered individual accolades to the highest degree. We talk about this on the podcast. I was a part of a team that was awful,

two and 14, three and 13 the next year. And it was a massive part after seeing so much turnover in a locker room being a foundational piece and changing a culture on a franchise. I take so much pride in that. And so now it's like, what are my wise to go play football? Because if it's for money,

I'm out. Like there's, I will not play football just to, I've made, I've made money. I am, I'm going to be all right. But it's, now it's like a long, like obviously if I'm going to go play somewhere, I have to be, I have to make, I have to make money that I'm worth. But there has to be another fighting urge, whether it's, I need another year. I like, I don't know. I don't know.

Do you know, fighting urge at the moment? Right now I do. Right now I do a little bit. I have a, um, it's tough. I'm loyal to the soil. Like I literally came back from my fifth year at Michigan when I could have been the top 10 pick

the year before like an idiot because I thought we were going to win a Big Ten championship and I wanted to bring greatness back to Michigan. We were in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl my senior year. We lost to Kansas State like 44 to 10. We were fucking terrible. And if I just sat there logically

and looked at the roster, I'd go, oh, we're not going to be good next year. You should dip. Yeah. But I'm just a loyal guy. So like the thought of me being in a different uniform besides the Titans,

like that does not sit well with me, you know? But also, like watching the demise of Taylor Luan, I sit there and I'm like, you know, do you want to be a guy in the Titans that just was good? Or can I still be good? And so if I truly believe that my knee is straight, because nothing else my body hurts, my fingers fucked up, my thumb's fucked up,

but they did work. So if nothing else hurts, and I know I can be a, maybe not as good as I used to be, but still a very above average. football player, then I have something to give to the Titan still. It's just about figuring out what I truly want. Because it'd be ridiculous to not sit here.

I sit on this bus once a week with the boys and we travel all around the country. And it's fucking awesome. This is so much fun. And it's doing well. I know you don't watch, but you should, we got to get numbers. I watch. I tune in. Yeah.

I appreciate that. Yeah. Tier three. Two or three cat. But it's cool, man. It's just about evaluating that stuff. evaluating and finding out. But taking one day at a time,

I don't have to make the decision right now. I just to keep gathering information so I make the best decision for myself and my family. Yeah. That's where we're at. Yeah. You say the loyalty thing,

but what about the first, your first high school team? What about those boys? That was not. Yeah, that was not on my choice. And I only want a championship with that high school team. Sophomore year, we won state 15 and 0.

So. You dipped on the boys. Yeah. My dad made me transfer. Forced me kicking and screaming to transfer. Transferring high schools is kind of like the whole. hardest thing to do.

Yeah, so hard, do. And my boys, I literally have Roman Roll 6 tattooed here and here for my boys, the sexy six or the dirty half dozen, whichever one you want to choose. But, like, we were all a bunch of ugly fucks too, like curly hair, zits and shit.

Like, it was just funny. But they, like, I left. And there was one guy, Nick Bennett, who, like, came to the school my first day. And, like, when I noticed it at lunch, call me, he was in the parking lot. He had Subway sandwiches waiting for me. And we, like, went and sat in the bleachers.

but all the other boys basically were like you're a traitor like fuck you now obviously we've all had those conversations we're all good but it was fucking tough because it was something i didn't even want to do we're all in a good place now but we were legit like uh i legit was forced to transfer now it's the best decision ever happened like i played one year off its online and was able to go to michigan so that worked out well it were it was the best decision i ever made in my life that wasn't even i didn't even make it so it was a good deal but loyal you know it's not see me in any other buses. You what?

I don't go on any other buses. I stay on this bus. Loyal to the soil. Loils of the soil. Loils of the soil. Loils of the soil. I think 234 is a long time for a podcast. I do think it is.

I'll ask my other questions off the, when we get out of here. I'm sure the boys back there. They're probably like, fuck, man. No, not you guys. I'm talking about our guests. Oh.

Yeah, I'm talking about our guests. Oh, we're straight. We were going to go watch the national championship somewhere later. Who do you think is going to win the national championship? Congratulations to the national championship. Just to the T-C-U horn frogs. Let's your horn frogs. Hit no toes.

They've won. By the time this comes out tomorrow? My fucking finger kind of cocked out for a second. We got them. I'm all for that. Fuck the bulldogs, dude. And also, we'd love to come to your school for a football sportsman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm trying to think in the NFC, who could give a run? Eagles? Eagles, yeah. But I feel like, I feel like the cheese versus the Eagles in the, in the Super Bowl, like the cheese are going to outscore. I can't have the Chiefs win. Yeah, we can't have it. Well, I just, I can't go from the hot take of saying they won't even make the playoffs

to then watch them win. You know what I mean? That's an L will can't take. That's a big L. I don't know if I can afford. That's a big O. All right, boys. Well, hey, listen, we have.

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