Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Maxx Crosby On Being The Biggest All-Pro Snub + Tom Brady In Vegas

Episode Date: August 2, 2025

Recorded: January 20, 2023 | The Boys made their way to Las Vegas where they linked up with the Boy, Maxx Crosby. Maxx welcomed them into his home, introduced them to his dogs, and opened up about the long-term goals he had set for himself. He talked through the personal growth he believed was necessary to elevate his game heading into next season. Maxx also shared what it was like having both Antonio Brown and Davante Adams as teammates. The Boys pressed him on the Derek Carr situation, and Maxx gave his honest thoughts—before delivering a passionate monologue about not being named an All-Pro that could make anyone want to run through a brick wall.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, boys, on this Best of the Bus episode, a series where we drop a best of every Saturday and recap some of our favorite episodes, throwing it all the way back to when Max Crosby came on the bus. The boys were in Vegas before the 2023 season with the one and only Max Crosby, Mad Max, just elite specimen, specimen of a pass rusher in the NFL. Max opened up about his goals and how he's leveling up for next season. what it was like playing with A.B. and Devante Adams, he also gets real on the Derek Carr situation.

He will drop a monologue that will make you run through a brick wall and get your piss hot. Big hugs, tiny kisses, enjoy this episode. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bus and With the Boys. Obviously, we are not on the bus right now. We are in a pristine location. Unknown. Unknown in Las Vegas, Nevada at the home of the legendary Max Crosby. And if you're at home right now, go ahead and give him a round of applause.

We'll do it too. Appreciate you guys. Buddy, this is an outstanding place. I appreciate it. Yeah. When did you move into this residence? We moved in May. Yeah.

I lived about three minutes away before. And me and Rachel were looking at houses for a long time. And it was a very stressful, very stressful situation. You know, we're going back and forth arguing. I'm done. You know, I was at the point where I'm like, I'm done. looking at houses. Like, until I get my contract, like, I'm done. And then all of a sudden, my boys come in town. We're going to the UFC event that weekend. And Rachel's like, there's

this one house. We got to see, you know, whatever. I'm like, I'm done. I'm seriously, I'm done. I'm done looking at houses. She pulls me in the car. We're going. We drive around the corner. And that was it. We literally put an offer on this house that same day. So really? And it's this house. So, yeah. There is like a weird transition. Was that? I said he knew that bag was coming. He knew the bag was coming. But when the bag is not secured yet, you do start playing the game of like, man, I wonder where I could get. And you start, you get on the Zillow app and you're looking at the things. All right.

This is what I can get right now. But if I get this contract, I could go and get that and that. 100%. It's a crazy game you play in your head. Yes, it's the best, though. Was that like a stressful time for you? Like, before contract stuff was like... I wouldn't say stressful.

Like, it was honestly like a good stress. Like, you know the situation. Like, it's hard. You don't know. Like, you want to get to your number. like you're really hell bent okay on this boom I'm not going below this but then in the situation like when it really came down to it I you know you're never going to get exactly what you want but at the end of the day like I got enough where I don't have to you know what I mean I don't have to worry about money anymore so like

that's the ultimate goal but it's you know for me it's not really about the money like my I've always heard from coaches everything like they're like the second contracts with NFL's all about. And for me, like, I've always thought about, I always try to do above and beyond. Like, my goal is to get a third contract. Like, I want to be the highest paid in a few years. Like, that's my ultimate goal. So, like, this contract was a big deal for me. Like, I'm set, but at the end of the day, like, I want to reset the market. So, like, that's, like, my goal, for sure. One of my goals. How long are you want to play? 12 to, probably 12 to 13. Just depending. I honestly don't know. But, like, I don't, like,

we just talked about. I don't ever want to step on the field and feel like, like not like myself. Like that's when I'll know. Like if I get to that point, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, be done. Because there are, there are players that like, young, when they're younger in their career, they play super hard. Like, we were, we were in the car driving here. And, like, the adjective I think we used for you was like, did you play relentless? You play hard. And when sometimes when dudes play that hard, they put some wear on the tires. And then dudes get older and they have to change up their game a little bit. And you're not, you don't want to sacrifice that.

No, no. You know, honestly, I've always kind of had that mindset. Like, ever since I, you know, started playing football, like, I truly believe there's only one way to play. And, yeah, if I'm playing and being cautious about jumping in piles and things like that, like, I probably shouldn't be playing. And, yeah, like, I just want to look back in my career and be like, yeah, he put a great body of work. I don't want the last thing they remember is, like, my old ass trying to bend the edge and falling over and stuff. Like, that's the last thing I want, you know, for me, I really want.

want to go out on my terms because there's most guys don't and that's kind of the hard thing about this business like I you know I'm not in control I don't know you know what's going to happen in the future but like I know the preparation I put into it I do everything I can to try to be at my best and be able to play that way so um you know that's kind of my my long term goals but I'm just literally just trying to stay in the present that's it yeah it's almost like how do you know I mean like if you're if you end on a high note right the competitive nature in everybody is you continue to go it's like I don't feel like you would actually find out if you've lost a step unless you had a year where it's like oh damn maybe maybe I don't have it like I did the year before your prior so it's

almost like how do you know because you're almost you're also addicted to all the success as well yeah you know what I mean like how do you feel like you would know I don't know I feel like like his old ass bending around the edge I feel like his old ass bending around the edge I feel like that wouldn't happen unless it's like week 15 of maybe your last season and you're like fuck maybe i am slowing down yeah no that's that's true you never like i feel like you're never going to know like exactly but it's just like like jj like i feel like it's a mental thing too like you know when you're done like there's guys like i feel like there's certain like even i know sean macbay like i don't know all the story but like i know how he works and people talk about his work ethic like he's like

when he's in it like 24 seven he's 24 seven he doesn't stop and like people are saying he might take a break and there's rumors of that just because of how he is. So like if I ever get to that point where I'm like sick of it and like I'm really not enjoying it and I'm, you know, I'm at that point where it's like I'm, you know, I've already, I've given everything I got to it. Like it's time to just, you know, call it a career. Like I know, I feel like I'll know when that day comes. Like even JJ Watt, like you've seen, he's bawling. Like he had just had 12 and a half saxist here and he's just like, I'm done. But he knows. He kind of hit that limit. He played what, 12 years?

Yeah, but look at Tom Brady. Yeah, but it's different though. Like he's not taking big heads and running and putting his shoulders and shit. So like that's different. Like I feel like especially playing up front, you know, Taylor. Like it's a lot and it's every single day in practice. Like a quarterback's not taking any damage during the week. They're not doing it during the offseason.

Like we do it all the time all year round. So yeah, like my goal, like there's main goals I want to hit. Like I want to be the Raiders, all-time sack leader. Like that's something that's like big on my checklist. Like there's a lot of things that. I want to hit before I'm done. So, yeah, I'm just going to stay in the present. That's all I can do.

But when that day comes, I feel like I'll know. What is the all-time sack leading? I think it's 107.5, Greg Townsend. You're at 100 sacks. Year 10. Eight. Yeah, let's say, okay, yeah. Yeah, let's say you're at 100 sacks, year eight.

But you're losing a step. But you need seven sacks to get that all-time sack. Do you come back the next year to get to check your box? where you feel like you're close. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's different. Like, if I'm in year eight and I feel like I'm losing a step,

then maybe I'm not doing something right. You know what I mean? Like, if that's just... Well, you were so fucking relentless all the time, like maybe, you know? Nah, I'm still young, bro. Like, I'm 25 and I'm going into my fifth year. You know what I mean?

Like, if I'm not, if, like, just looking at it from, like, there's... You look at the Kobe's, the guys like that. Like, they work relentlessly. They were able to play 20 years. I know it's a different sport, but, like, even the NFL guys, like, I know injuries are,

injuries happen like that's a part of it but you know I feel like if you do all the right things you take care of your body do sleep well recover well do all the shit right you practice right keep keep ahead of things like you'll be fine and and that's how like I played almost 1100 snaps this year like I played a ton of snaps but like I feel good like I could go I can start training tomorrow if I really wanted to but I have to force myself to slow down so like I'm not fucking stupid I don't think like I'm above other people and I don't you know what I mean that's not not how I look at it, but like I just, I feel like, if I just keep doing the right things, but I'll be able to kind of control my destiny in a way.

I was more trying to give it a hypothetical of you're slowing down, but you're also right there on the cusp of a couple of those check boxes. Oh, I'm going to get that. If you're going to get them. Yeah. I'm going to stay one year. And if I go and out four sacks, then okay, it's time. But like, I'm a, yeah, I'm definitely.

Because, yeah, 107, you're right. I guess it would be like, you know, it wouldn't be like year 12 or 13. Yeah. No, for so. 37. How many sacks you got? Okay. That's pretty all right.

What are other goals on that? What are other goals on that list? Um, there's that. Oh, my bad. But it's your mouth. There's a few. Like, like, I want to be in the Hall of Fame. That's something I, I want to be in.

I want to be the Raiders, all-time sack leader. You know, there's a lot of things. I can't say everything, but. Like there's like the main goal is like I want to be definitely do that but I want to I want to have a career where Like when people look back like the biggest thing for me like the numbers and shit is cool like the jacket all that shit's cool But like my main focus is like trying to impact the way the game is played like I feel like in the NFL now there's a There's only a few guys that you really look at and are like damn he's just fucking he's different. I don't know what it is like just the way he plays like I watch like Chris Jones and like a mic a mic Parsons and those guys like they're just something different when they're out on the field like

it's like a presence and like that's what I want to leave back like when people look back and talk about me they're not going to talk about the stats at the end of the day they don't talk about Lawrence Taylor Sacks they talk about when that dude is on the field he's a fucking animal and that's that's the way I look at it like inspiring kids like inspiring kids like I want to be that guy that kids want to be like that's that's what matters most to me so if it's six years and I feel like I'm losing a step like then it is what it is like and I and I'll know I'm done, but like at the end of the day, like I feel like the impact I leave on the game. Like I want to be, I want to bring that back like the old school way of playing football,

flying to the ball, not giving a shit, like throwing my body. Like that's that's what I feel like is missing nowadays for sure. What from an inspiration standpoint when you were playing at eastern Michigan of all places and Ipsilani, which is wild. Better than Nebraska. Better than Nebraska. Wild. A shot at the boys in red.

Sorry. I can't know. That goes way better than Nebraska. Oh, man. I couldn't help this year. Until this year. When you're playing, like obviously the first person that comes to mind, somebody you've already mentioned like two or three times is JJ Watt.

Was that like your guy at Eastern? No, not at Eastern. I liked, I was a big JJ fan like when I first started playing D.N. Like my first year playing DM was I was a senior in high school. So I was new to the position. I'm like, who's the best at what I do? So like JJ at that time was like Superman. So I definitely, I like watching.

and JJ, but there's a ton of guys. Like, I love Jared Allen growing up. There's a ton. And it's not just defensive ends. Like, I played growing up, I was a middle linebacker the whole time until my senior year. So like, you know, I could go on and on about different players.

But yeah, I watch everybody and I just, I want to be like unique. Like somebody, not just another guy, another hardworking. Like, I'm going to be somebody that looked back. It's like, damn, like in that time, like, this dude was just different than most dudes. Yeah, because JJ was one of those dudes who like fought through the fringe.

Yeah. Like when I first got to Tennessee, I was like, that was when JJ was, was JJ. It was terrifying. And then, you know, he went through like a three, four year spell where he like played six games, played nine games. Like, didn't really play a whole lot. And he could have easily been where we've been, what we've been talking about was like, is he losing a step? Yeah. And he goes back to the Cardinals.

And like you said, he had 12 sacks this year. Yeah. But Loki was balling this year. It's a competitive. I feel like it's like a competitive fire. Like, also the fight of being like, this can't be the end for me. Like, I need to make this comeback real. 100%

But you're in it though Like you're in your own Like some people could Objectively say like maybe you are losing a step But I guess only you know But then that's obsession Of being so Uber competitive Maybe you don't necessarily know it

But you keep going back For sure And that's the thing too guys Like the game You evolve like over time Like especially like Even if some guys are a little bit older That's the thing too

Like my game is from my rookie year to now It's like pull it you know what I mean I've gone It's not even like the same person I watch my film So even I feel like it's when you get older too Like you see a guy like Because I always refer to the NBA

But like you see James Harden Like he used to be dropping 40 a game every night And now he's like a pass first He's leading the league and assist Because he's lost the step But he's also like Adapted passer in the league now And he's just evolved as a player

So yeah I feel like that's the thing Like I have this vision of what I want My heading to look like And how it's going to be But like I truly don't know Like I really don't know I just try to stay in the day bro And if I feel

can maximize every day and do what I do, like it's just going to work out the way it's supposed to. You know, that's not under my control. What's it like? Go ahead. No, you're right. I was going to switch a subject, but if you were staying on that.

No, I was just, I was playing to like everyone, everyone really has this, like everyone's writing their own little story in their head. And they're like, they're narrating their own story. Like,

if I do this, like it's going to look like this. And like you're really watching yourself daydream of how it's all going to end. Everyone plays it out. And you're right. Like a lot of dudes can't go out in their own terms. Like a lot of people like,

like for me, two ACLs in three years. It's like I was on top of the world before that. And I thought, oh, man, I'm getting this jacket. Like, we're going to keep going. Oh, yeah. And things just switch up on you. You have to learn to pivot and be happy with what you've done. Yeah, 100%.

What's it like being Brian Baldinger is one of his favorite players? I feel like my man is always shouting you out. Because of what you talk about, the impact on the game, I feel like he does a great job of spotlighting that and showing that, the Commodore, whether or not you're getting the stat of a sack, the way you affect the game. What's it like? Like having a legend like that talk about you

multiple times throughout the year. Yeah, it's awesome. You know, ever since my rookie year, for some reason, like my first game that I really got to play in was the Indianapolis game. I think it was week four of my rookie year. And he put a video out

and he made up the condor nickname and all this stuff. And I was like thrown off. I'm like, damn, I didn't realize. He's some juicy. He narrates that stuff. Good. You guys got some fire little comments.

The comment, the whole thing. is classic so it's like when he's first started doing that um like i reached out back to him and it was like man i was like i appreciate it means the world and then you know i just as my career's gone he's always doing videos and now like we'll

talk like before you know after a game i'll be like go watch what i did on this third down boom and he'll check it out and be like and we'll just have conversations back and forth he loves he loves he loves football he loves football bro and that's that's the type of people i like to like to

associate myself with. So, you know, like, Marinelli and those guys, like, I talk to Marinelli to this day, every day. Like, you just visit him, did you? I was just saw him in Texas. I was just on the phone to them, like, two hours ago. Like, he's one of those guys that, like, I need in my life to keep, like, everybody has those people, especially, like, in your sport that you, like, just have a different level of respect for. And, like, Baldy and, like, Marinelli, those guys, like, I constantly, even when I'm not training, like, right now, like, I have a couple weeks to kind of get off my feet, like, just, I need it. Like, it's my part of, like, it's my part like my addiction like I love playing football so having those guys just talk ball and

and just feed me knowledge is is really cool how do you get the Commodore nickname the Condor Condor excuse me did I say Commodore did you say Commodore I think I said What is the Commodore is not like a oh that's right Vanderbilt anchor down did sit similar I mean yeah similar schools um yeah how'd you get that nickname it was just from baldinger I think it was that Wink's man yeah I guess guess the wingspan. You do have like a solid caveman like knuckles touching knees by here. See,

that's a big, that's a big compliment. The knee end of thought. That little fucking, you got them, them things are flying too when you're playing. Yeah, I've heard a lot of different weird names.

You don't need to hear you watch your film. You see the arm of stuff. No, you're touching the right guard when you're playing the lift tackle. See, that's the funny thing, bro, like,

and this is weird and y'all, you all can believe me or not, but when I went to the combine, I'm like, you know, everyone's always told me that like, bro, you got long arm, like you're long athlete. I went to the combine.

I was like almost the bottom when it came to wingspan. No. They were like, I swear to God, they had articles. Ah, the Eastern Michigan, because like I did good at the combine. So people started talking about me more. But they're like, yeah, I don't know. His wingspan's short and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, wait, what?

What was your arm length? It was like 610 wingspan. I don't know my arm length. It was like. How tall are you? 6.5. Oh, I think that's a dub, right? If your wingspan's longer than your boy.

No, that's what you was. Yeah, you got them stubby. He's short of the wheel. He's a T-Rat. He's got a very A wrestler belt. He tries to put his hands off. He's got to pull his shoulders away down and get the hands away.

I'm trying to hit that ball the other day in the shop and I can't get it started. I can't reach the ball. I'm like, fuck, I got to kind of bounce the ball a little bit. You do got them little stuff. But they make your arms are bigger though that way. Like if you have real long arms, your arms don't look as big. Yeah, but.

I don't know. It's weird, bro. People in the football world would always have me down with it. You must have a small torso as well. Right. There's got to be something wrong. You probably got a small torso. I think I got wide shoulders that make my arm seem longer.

I don't know. You got no fucking wingspan out there, dude. You know, that's hilarious. I don't know. Okay, Eastern Michigan. How did you end up there? It's funny you brought this up. So yesterday, my D-Line coach from Eastern called me.

And he, you know, we're just chopping it up, talking ball and whatever. And somehow he brings it up. He's like, yeah, you know, you know it's hilarious you know we've been interviewing a new d-line guy because he's going to move to linebackers there at eastern and not they're getting a new d-line coach and he was like coach craten my head coach he started this thing in his interview process he puts up five high school players film and shows the d-line coaches and has them rank the the delinement he puts like whatever one of the guys they're trying to recruit he puts my film in there from my high school like when i was in

high school and he puts like you know four other random guys he said so my D-line coach my old D-line coach told me yesterday he said every single coach ranks me at like fourth or fifth from high school day and I'm dying laughing and they don't know that it's you though they don't know and then they're like yeah you know that's Max Crosby right and they're like they all get awkward

but like fuck it's awkward you just got to sit there that meeting and go I'm not getting this job it's over but that's that's kind of like bro I was a late bloomer like I was a I was a linebacker all the way up to my senior year then we got these new coach and I had a big gross spur, but like my body, I wasn't caught up. Like, bro, my knees were hurt and I was slow twitch as fuck. Like, if you watched my high school film, he'd be like, yeah, I'm not surprised

he went to Eastern. Like, I was surprised I got a D1 offer. They were the only D1 to offer me, bro. Really? They're my only offer in general. So like, I got that offer. I jumped on it, committed, and boom. And then, yeah.

Were you a basketball guy? Yeah, I played basketball. You were a B-Zone. Yeah, I could hoop. No easy buckets. No. You played in the paint? I was like a,

You know, like a stretch four kind of guy. I could shoot the ball. Come on. I swear to God, I'd rather shoot than be on the block. Like, I'm not a back to the basket guy. I'm catch the ball at the top, move, get to the lane, hammer that. You're a pain guy. Absolutely not.

You can't dribble. I can rebound, but like I'm not back to the basket, old school George Mikan type of shit. Come on. Can you dribble? Well, I'm not going to hype myself up. But the Serbian, my mom Serbian, it's translated to the court. Can you do the jibble between your legs? can you dunk?

I can you do the thing We go right there and I'll win them in there The pool? I'm talking about the other hoop We have a court back there Is it even regulation? That's probably eight feet Yeah

Yeah it's got to be eight feet Can you do the thing Where you bounce the ball And you pick your shirt up And the ball goes in And you slap it And one mixtape Yeah

I don't think I can do that now You think you're the best basketball player on the Raiders? Yeah I think guys would tell you that too I'm not gonna hype myself up But we've all played again I see over there getting a little

You keep like twitching a little bit I can get wiggily. Yeah. Like you're a little triggered that we're kind of questioning your basketball. Yeah, it hurts. But it's normal for, you know, being a white guy. They will always question you at first,

but then you go on the court and you fucking hammering on someone's tired. That's why you had to get yatted everywhere. Yeah, it changes. Yeah, you are a tatted. What's it like playing defense being white? Is that tough? I remember when Taylor calls you, oh, he's just another normal white guy out there on the field.

Actually, Will told me that story. I forgot that even happened. I heard my feeling. Explain that. My feelings? What happened that day? Because I don't remember when I'm saying that to you. You remember.

No, I really don't. You told me. My whole focus in that game was you. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, dude? Huge news.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. When we were playing the Raiders? You literally told me, we were pulling up. You're like, hey, was Max the guy where I said, like, he was just another white guy at the block? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you've told me that story, but I don't remember in the moment saying that. I just remember him saying that to you.

We finally got you guys here together. Max will let me down on, like, how much money? I think I, oh, wait, no, no, I was telling you, I'll give you $200 per sack you got on Taylor. It was something like that, yeah. They run a lot of... Hey, I got the Titans back this year, though, so I was proud.

And I let very able know about it. Did you really? Yeah. What did you say the Braves? talking the whole game. You were just sitting there on the sideline, his hands on his knees. And you all tried to run that weird reverse boot shit.

And I just fucking shed it. Great, we had. Great play calling. Yeah. It was like on a third down. And I just jetted, smoked to Anahill. And I looked at the sideline variable,

just look. He was right there. I was like, stop running that shit at me. Stop running that shit. And he's like, okay. Shaking his head and shit. That's a variable. He's just like, okay.

But I fuck with Rable, bro. He's one of those coaches. This is a random off topic. But he, like, he texts me all the time. He's cool as shit. He was my coach of the Pro Bowl last year. Max Brogby of the Titans.

He's playing the long game. Yeah. You got to respect that. That third contract. You just got to build relationships. You never know. Bring you to Nashville with the boys. I don't know about that,

but. Big respect. You were fantastic in two-tone blue. Never know. You never know. But yeah, I'm happy where I'm at. You joined the boys in that show, wouldn't you? Hey, if they didn't want me here anymore,

yeah, of course. But I think it's going to work out just fine. Dude, Rable, like, you don't know Rable, like, we know Vrable because he'll go in meetings, like on Wednesdays and Thursdays and pull up tape and just dummy guys. Like, just verbally assault them. And I remember we playing, I think, was that your rookie year? We played in Oakland. That's what we played each other. He would put you on the film.

And there wasn't really a bad thing because you play hard. Yeah. And there wasn't a bad thing. He's like, this loud mouth motherfucker. Like, just like, circling him was like, this guy, he can't fucking touch the quarterback. Fuck this guy, like going off about you the whole time. And that's got to be a great thing. great feeling.

Because I've had the same thing with like Bill O'Brien and Bill O'Brien be like, A, 77, he's a fake tough guy. And that hurt every time. Every time. Remember Gunther in the defensive meeting that week? What did he say? It was like the same kind of stuff. Similar.

He's just a talker. He's going to try to get in your head. He's going to try to chirpy the whole time. It's funny. But that's like I have, you know, how the NFL is. You have friends on all different teams. You know a bunch of guys. Like, that's the funniest shit when you sit there and talk after the season.

They're like, yeah, in our meeting, you know, we circled you and just kind of hearing what other teams have to say about you're like that's interesting you know everybody has their own kind of perspective on who you are as a guy yeah there's some teams that think I'm the biggest piece of shit on the planet like really of course like he's so loud I'm loud and he when he makes a play he's like showing what motherfucker yeah yeah I can't help myself I love it like I'm loud but that's like there's there's certain teams that you could tell like they're trying to fuck me up like the Niners team like the Niners coach and all them. They like buttered me up all week.

They're like, man, besides Bosa, he's, you know, he's probably the best guy. Once we got to the game, they tried to send the fucking house at me, bro. They were doing, bro, just different, weird, like the Niners blocking, like, the schemes and shit they do, I've never experienced anything like it. Like, bro, they were

tackle, tight end, both going down, and the guard would fucking, like, they were coming at angles. You didn't even know where the fuck they were coming from, bro. It was just different. But, like, that's the thing. Like, that's the coolest thing about the league is, like, being in a position, you know how it is. Like, you're on an island the whole game.

You don't have to worry about it. So, like, that's your responsibilities. For me, it's the opposite. I know they're going to be sending shit at me. And it's like, it's a different type of challenge every week. And all the offensive coordinators, they all got a different way of approaching it. And it's cool because after the games,

they'll talk about, yeah, we're trying to fuck you up and we're trying to do this. And I'm like, oh, you got me on this. But I fucked you up on that place. So it's cool, man. That's what the league's all about. Yeah. Kyle Shanahan's so good.

I was watching their first playoff game, and the blocking teams are wild. Wild, bro. Like, there was, what was the play? Oh, they, like, the tight end, like, went out on the end and then, like, flashed the end as if he wasn't, like, he was going to block him, then went away. Then Trent was there.

That was when McCaffrey had, like, that long, like, 55-yard runs. But the blocking scheme was just so unique. And it's simple. Because you look at it from an office line, and, like, oh, they're just running this play with, like, these two little different things. Yeah. but they do such a good job of opening up holes.

Yes. They got studs all around. I was going to say, yeah, that helps as well when you got fucking, like, between Debo and McCaffrey, like those, in open field, there's probably, there's, you can't name anybody really better than that.

Like, you got Tyreeks and shit like that, but like McCaffrey and Debo, like in open field, they're fucking electric, bro. Dangerous, dude. Yeah, what's it like playing against Trent Williams? He's a stud, bro. He's a stud.

It was fun, though. We had some good battles. Did you get one on them? Yeah, I got a couple on. I didn't get a sack on him, but I had a nice little QB hit on the little inside move. You let me out. It felt good. No, we were talking.

He's cool as shit. He's talking, like, just having conversation. But I usually, I line up on the left. So, like, I'm going against the right tackle most of the time. So once I went over, like, we knew, like, Trent's going to be on an island. So during the game, we kind of schemed it up where, okay, Max, you're going to play a little bit more on Trent because you'll have more one-on-one opportunities because they're going to probably chip with the right tackle and stuff. So I got to rush against him a couple times, but I fared well. I had some good rushes.

He has some good. He's just a big motherfucker and he's athletic. So athletic. It was a good matchup, bro. We got the best for each other a few times. It was cool. You were telling him that story on the plane about him and Deshawn Jackson. Just to his athletic ability, yeah.

Like there was one off season where we were in OTAs, and they were basically trying to narrow it down who had like the fastest start. So like every group, I mean, very subjective, but 10 yards. It's kind of hard to figure out who wins. every one. But every position group would go and then they would put everybody together. But the final two were to Sean Jackson and Trent Williams because he could just get out. Like he's extremely athletic. They would talk about him playing basketball.

They would talk about playing. He was got big legs and massive upper body. Makes no sense. They said he would, when they would play basketball at the Y, that he'd play like beyond the R. He'd win-mill dunk like do all the stuff. He's just like a super athlete, bro. He's a freak, bro. He really is a freak.

What about McClintchy? That right tackle for the Niners. Yeah, he's a big dude. He's a big guy. He's a little more stiff, but I feel like he's an underrated cat. Like, he doesn't get enough respect. Yeah, no, I thought he was solid. You know, that's the weird thing.

Like, especially now, like, I'm, like, this year, especially. Like, I played on the left side majority of the time. And, like, early on, with me and Chandler were both going, like, the chips would go back and forth. So I would have some more one-on-ones and shit. But Chan got hurt against Pittsburgh. and like the last few games it was like if I wasn't moving around like I'm getting they're sliding and they're chipping so it was hard it was really fucking difficult to kind of get those true one-on-ones and especially when you're not up in games like you don't you know it's it's a lot less you know it's a lot more predictable what they're doing so no I got yeah Mike McGlinchie he's he's a big motherfucker he was he was solid um we definitely yeah we had we had a good little little back and forth it was fun bro that's the thing with that the Niners, there's certain teams, bro, that, like, they just make it really difficult for your D-line and shit to get off. And that's always the biggest challenge.

Like, the New England's, like, you know when you're playing New England, they're going to literally do everything they can to try to stop this guy and this guy. And, like, Tennessee's like that, too. I know Bravel's come from the Patriot way, too. So, like, I sit there and hear McDaniels, he's like, okay, Bosa right here. Every single time, we're going to slide, we're going to boom, we're going to – and I already know going into the week, like, I'm playing Bill Belichick. He's going to try to fuck me up every play. in Tennessee, I know Brable's not going to let me just go and try to wreck the game.

And that's, I feel like that's as years have gone on. Like, that's been, you know, like in my game, like having to evolve, you have to truly, like, you have to truly be on it every single play because they're bringing more than one, more than less. It's got to be a hell of a compliment, though. Yeah, they're sliding to me and chipping me. It's got to feel good. No, it's awesome, but at the same time, it's very frustrating.

Like, that's, like, I feel like the biggest part, in the past, like last year, like I was getting in my head because I wasn't getting, like I was getting a shitload of pressures, but I wasn't getting home. Like there was like a stretch where I had six games in a row where I didn't have a sack. I felt like I was rushing my best, but I wasn't getting home for some reason. And like that's the thing as a rusher that's so difficult. Like there's no play called for you that you have to go earn every single stat, every play, every sack, every TFL.

So like that's the challenge. And like people from the outside world, if you're not getting sacks as a rusher, like they think you're like not bawling you know what i mean like chanler was bawling and people were on his head because his sack numbers were low and like you feel like i'll chanler was the same guy last year that i was calling like bro like i don't know why i can't get a fucking sack and he's helping me out so like having chan here this year like i was getting a lot of sacks and chan was you know going through it a little bit and like being able to be there for him is like it's like crazy bro it goes full circle because like chan's a dude i looked up too forever he's a hundred plus sacks and he's

in year 11 and he's like going through it and it's like it's tough because it just shows like as a rusher like this shit is really difficult and you have to appreciate every single stat and everything you get because like you could rush great for the whole game but they could just be getting rid of the ball they could be you know what I mean just that's the tough part about it but that's also like the beauty in it when there's a reason why sacks are like a big thing because it's not everything's got to go right they got to hold the ball the coverage got to be on point everything's got to be you know on point for you to get home So,

yeah, Chandler's good at football. Chandler, oh, yeah, so I didn't, yeah, I forgot. Yeah. Oh, you forgot. Chan's a fucking dog, but I love, as a human being, the dude's one of the coolest dudes that ever met. When I was playing him in 2021, he had like four sacks that day.

I gave up two of them. And there was like the end of the game. At that point in the game, I was at such a low point. I was like, I decided to get the fuck out of here and regroup somehow. Yeah. And he, like, rushed me. And he went to pull away, had his chain and I tore it off.

And he's like, oh, man, now I'm really mad. Now I'm really coming. I'm like, hey, man, I'm like walking back to the huddle. You're a four sacks. You're all right. Like, just relax. Just relax. He's enough for the month.

That was the lowest football moment. But low key, even before I got hurt, I never played him well. He always played really well against me. Like my second year, I played him. He was at the Patriots. And like the first third down, dude, takes me to back of the quarterback, strip sack, fumble, return for a touchdown. Like, that's how the game started first series.

Why do you think he's always done so well? Like what do you feel like makes him like great? He's, I don't, I think like if I were to play, if I were to play him again, I would, I would vary up my sets more. He's so long and he does a good job. Like it looks like he's always on a step cadence. Like one, two, bull, one, two, three, like turn those shoulders and he's really long too.

So short corners are not good against him. Like, if you get him to like nine and a half, he's got that capability to reach with the far arm and get that quarter of that. ball out. So it's like he's got enough speeds where like I got to respect this but also he can turn in power also. And then dudes that and I can't remember if you play like this or not

but like he doesn't necessarily like play like sound run defense. Like so you like when you're trying to shoot off the ball like we do at Tennessee, he goes inside like he can jump around like if he has that kind of freedom like that's an easy way to like second guess yourself.

And he's a he's always been he's always played me well. I think of all the players ever played like he's been a guy that's always going to have my number. Yeah. Even before getting hurt. He's a stud. Yeah, there's always those guys in the league. Every year you're like, okay, I know this about to be. Got to mark this one down. This is about to be. Yeah, like, I got

to be on my shit. And that's, yeah, Chandler's just pro. He's just unique. Like, how he explained. He's got, he's not fast. But he's got, like, he's not fast. And he'll tell you that. He knows he's not. But he's just, he's so long and he's so, like, he's just a different athlete.

It's like his brother. Like, they're so long, but they're not fast and they can't jump high, but they're like freak athletes. I don't even know how to explain it. They're just really unique. The measurables aren't there, but like the game film is way different than what you see,

like his combine numbers would be. Exactly. He's just a unique, unique player, bro. He was born to play football. A dude's a stud, bro. You met his brother? No, I haven't. No.

I heard he's going to fight again, right? He's fighting. He's got two brothers. He's got, Arthur Smith. He played in the league too. Yeah, the whole family. And the league. Pros.

Yeah, it's Arthur, right? That's the coach of the Falcons. but uh am i who the last name is jones arthur jones i don't know why i said smith what a fucking he had that black label not has to hit it yeah i know i know because he was my teammate washington arthur smith i'm like that's not even the same name i don't think that's the same what's arthur do is he is he an athlete as well he was a he was a he won a super bowl of baltimore is oh shit i didn't know that yeah he's the oldest though yeah he's the oldest he didn't have as long as a career, but like that whole family is just

a breeding grounds of athletic. All brothers in NFL, that's ridiculous. Yeah. No, I mean, he's a stud, man. And you're right, he's like an anomaly. Like, you look at him. He's got like the size. Like you, like, you look like his, he must have a short torso as well how long his arms are. Long torso.

But, like, he legit, like does, like, incredibly wacky, very unorthodox, extremely unorthodox, but he just, he does well. You mentioned earlier about the Patriot Way, was like playing for Coach McDaniels? What's it been like playing for Coach McDaniels transitioning from

Coach Passachia last year? Obviously you guys are super close. Pasachia is a fucking legend. I've heard good things about him. But then Coach McDaniels comes in. What's it been like playing for Coach McDaniels? Honestly, my experience has been great. You know, I feel like every time you get a new coach in, there's new expectations.

And I feel like it definitely takes time to adjust, you know, as a whole. Like if you're halfway in, halfway out, you're not going to laugh. in the way he coaches. Like he has a very specific way that he wants things to be done. He's all about work ethic, all about doing the extra mile. Like, that's how he approaches it.

And I, like we talked about off-camera, like me and him, we've had a great relationship ever since I got here, the dude. That's how I think when it comes to training and stuff. I'm always doing extra. So it's nothing new to me when it comes to that. But like I said, if you're a guy that's, you know, the normal NFL guy,

they're not training all off-season. You know what I mean? it's just they're doing it they're it's like it's hard it's not like a normal NFL team like it's just it's different you're talking about the way he the way he runs the operation yeah just the operation like we're really working bro like even during the season like we're in pat we're in pads like late in the season at some point there's some tough days yeah there's some tough days but like that's just that's what it is like you know what I mean you can bitch and complain about it or you can show up and fucking improve and get better and especially in our situation like bro

we're six and 11 but like we lost We were in every single game, basically, besides New Orleans. Like, we lost every game by, like, less than a touchdown. So we're right there. And that's probably the hardest part about it. It's like, fuck, we're right there. But we have great building blocks on this team. You know, we have Devante, we have Josh Jacobs.

We have a ton of guys. It's just we're not there yet, but I feel like we're definitely, like, on our way. Like, if things go our way, you know what I mean? This year, like, we could have easily been a double-de-we could have won 10 games easily. But that's not the reality. shit didn't, you know, last year, we won every single close game. And that's the toughest thing about it. It's like, you can either overthink it and, you know, dwell on it and bitch about it.

But we went 6 and 11. That's our record. It's fucking, it's not acceptable. But I feel like Josh, as a coach, he's done a really good job, for sure. Go ahead. No, he just seems like, yeah, because this is like, this is not meant to be a shot. This is just like an observation. Like, the Raiders, like, really underperform for based on the, you guys have an,

incredible amount of talent on that team. Yeah. And so how do you, obviously without overthinking it, what are the little things here and there that you guys lose by losing by seven, you can now win by three? Like, what are those little changes? I think, you know, I've talked about this already. But it's like, for me, it's the standard, like holding guys to,

there has to be a standard set. They can't just be, you show up to practice, you do the plays. We're not going over. we're not sitting here and you know you should watch the film and everybody should be graded you know are we really run into the ball like little shit like that i feel and that's just how i i have an old school mindset when it comes at like just the little details of running to the ball loafs like the shit we talk about like that's that's what i think's the difference you know at the end of the day like if the if the standard is not set in the offseason and o'ta's and shit like that is never

you're never going to go on the field and everybody's going to be on the same page it's just just not reality. And that's where I feel like, you know, last year or the year before, like, when you were there, like, we got to that point at the end of the year. Like, everybody was playing for each other. And that's the new thing. Like, and it's not like it's McDaniel's fault or anything. Like, everything's new.

So it does take time. And that's, you know, something as a leader. Like, that's what I feel like I need to, you know, take another step, you know, as a leader and being a captain. Like, that's something I'm really focused on is building, you know, bringing up the other guys. The guys that really want to be, you know, really want to be great and be a good. difference maker, not just another guy on the roster to fill out a spot. Like, that's, that's what we need. You know, I feel like, like you said, we have the talent in big spots, but like we do have a lot of

things we got to improve on. Like, you know, our D-line wasn't good enough. Our defense in general wasn't good enough as a whole. Like, it wasn't, we did not play to what I, you know, believe the standard should be. You know, we played, we rushed a lot better the year before. We covered better. You know, there's little things that we got to improve on. So, you know, that's, and it's, it's, it's, it's a group effort. You know, it's got to take everybody. And, you know, I feel like we're definitely going in that direction. The second half of the season, we played a lot better on defense.

But that's just a tough part about it. You can go back and forth. And, you know, we lost close games. But, like, either way, we lost. Like, and that's at the end of the day, 611, 6 and 11 is fucking terrible. So, yeah, you know, I believe in them. I believe that, you know, we're going to keep building up the roster in a lot of key spots and, you know, just keep going in the right direction.

But the main thing for me is a standard, bro. Like, we have to have a stand. and there can't be guys that are halfway in and halfway out because you know how it is. You have fucking nine guys on the same page and two or halfway out the door is never going to work. Yeah. That's what I got to go.

Do you feel like that's what it was? The standard wasn't held the entire year because a lot of the talks and the headlines and the conversations was, you know, last year we ended up winning like the last five games. And then you go in, you think you're going to build off, you have a new regime coming. Of course it does take time.

But then putting the year that you guys did put together, you keep alluding to the standard and everything else. And half in, half out, do you feel like it was upholding that standard when you do look at it? Yeah, I feel, and like you said, like we talked about, it's not easy. You know, the way of, you know, how Coach McDaniels does it

is not easy. We're working hard. Like, bro, we're in training camp. It's fucking 100 degrees out. We're on the field. Like, we're not practicing at 7 in the morning. Like, we're practicing like 10. Like, that shit, it's hot, bro.

Like, people are dying. And then we're running gas. at the end, like, it's not a joke. That desert heat. Bro, that desert, that real heat. And so that's my point. Like, as a player, like, I pride myself on my routine about doing it every day, no matter if I'm in a bad mood, if I'm feeling like shit,

like showing up and trying to improve regardless of how I feel. And I feel like we didn't have enough of that this year. Just we didn't sustain it for a whole season. Like, you can do it in camp. You can do an OTAs for the first couple months, but it's like we need a bunch of guys who are down, are willing to sacrifice the whole year and be on point. And, you know, that's just a part of it.

Where, you know, I feel like we're going to bring in more guys that are like-minded and, you know, I'm trusting it. You know, it's not my control. I'm just, you know, I just want to be a leader. You know, that's my main goal. Lead the guys, bring up the younger guys and show them the way. So when you're saying, like, I have a standard for myself that I say every day, whether I feel like shit or I feel good,

like when you feel like shit and you don't want to do it, because I feel like a lot of people are going to hear that and be like, everyone goes through the same thing. Everyone's got motivation week one. And now all of a sudden it's week 10, you're like, oh, man, I really don't want to get up and go do it again. Like, what are the things that you tell yourself when you're working through that process?

Like, you wake up in the morning, you're sore. It's Wednesday. You know you're going into pads. You know it's week 12. Like, how do you make sure not only you set that standard for yourself, but as a leader, like you're saying, set that for everybody else? Yeah.

You know, the main thing for me is just, it's that foundation. Like, if you don't have a solid foundation going into the season, like, if there's a little cracks in it, that shit, the whole house is going to come down by, you know, halfway through the year. And that's, like, my main thing. I'm a very, like, I have an addictive personality. You know what I mean?

I've an addict at the end of the day. So, like, I use it to my, as a superpower nowadays. Like, there's certain shit. Like, every single day I'm doing the same thing. Like, Norma Tags stretch every night before I go to bed, like, cold tub, hot stuff. every single day. There's certain things I have to do,

my meal prep everything. So like even when I'm feeling like shit, I have to, like every morning I know I have to do it. Like it's an agreement I have with myself once the season ends. And that's something I'm doing right now trying to figure out,

okay, what can I do better? Well, how am I going to be better next year? What am I? Like, there's certain things I write down, like I'm not breaking this. Like there's no conversation with myself in my head no matter how fucking bad I feel. So I feel like it's just,

you know, the main thing is just being mentally, you know, obviously you got to be mentally strong, but you have to just make agreements with yourself. Like, I'm not fucking breaking this. And we'll see what happens. If it goes great, if I play great, whatever, like, that's amazing. That comes with it.

But, like, if I don't play up to the level I expect, like, I know I did everything trying to do that. So I'm not going to feel like a piece of shit. Right. Statistically, the numbers might not be there, but knowing the way you fucking put forward. If I put everything I have in a little about it. So, but obviously that's not the case.

Yeah, like, and just trusting this. So, like, that's what I always. try to tell the young guys it's like like my thing this pass off season like what could I do better as far as going into training like the weird little difference I made like I was going into 8 a.m. and going to train my agreement with myself this past off season was I'm going to be in the building by six no later every morning 6 a.m. Monday through Friday and that's fuck that's not easy in the offseason. No especially Fridays when you get to go in later. Fuck yeah and this is I'm talking February March when there's no I don't have to be there technically like this is all off season

and I did that so once the season got there like that was like boom I checked that off I did that like that's for me that's where I get my confidence from it's a little shit that like nobody nobody's telling me I got to do this it's little shit that like it's challenging as fuck in the off season when I I could sit here and sleep and get relaxed until 8 a.m you know what I mean but I'm getting up at 515 and I'm going and going and working out when there's nobody in that bitch that's kind of what I you know that's just one thing but that's how I pride myself is just like setting the standard, boom, this is what I'm doing regardless of the situation, no matter how I feel I'm getting the fuck out of bed and I'm doing this. And that's where all my confidence comes from.

And that's how I try to push the guys around me. Because I'm not like a big hurrah guy. I'm not going to stand there. This is what we fucking got to do. Blah, blah, blah. Like, I'll speak what I have to, but as a leader, like, I feel like at the end of the day, the true leaders, like, they show that shit every single day. And that comes to practice, the weight room. Like, that's how I try to carry myself and pride myself on because if you go and ask any guy in the locker room or ask Dave, you can ask Dave when you get there

you can ask fucking Coach McDaniels like they can say whatever you know, I might be a dick sometimes I might whatever but red head. Yeah, red beard, everything. You know what I mean? Super white. But at the end of the day

they can never say I don't work harder than anybody in that building. I think it's show that. That's what I pride myself on. That matters. Having non-negotiables is like a massive, a massive thing that people need to have. It's huge, bro.

It's my whole life, bro. It changed it. Two years ago when I got that surgery, bro, I started doing that. It changed my whole fucking life, bro. It definitely shows, and that's like me being there, you are literally there doing your shit every day.

When you talk about the standard, not that you have to get out of character or get out of personality with it, but do you feel like approaching this next year, maybe you do speak up a little bit more to kind of uphold that standard because you are a guy who's earned your stripes in the league now,

like everybody knows and stuff and you're talking about your routine every day now right yeah so people know about that and understand you know how you come correct every day do you feel like you need to speak up a little more to feel more of that leadership role to uphold that standard that you were alluding to earlier um yeah you know like i look i evaluate everything from my leadership to my play to my just my attitude my presence like everything i really sit down and break down what can i do better here And I feel like that's with anything. You know, I could, there's always room for improvement as a leader. But I feel like, you know, my third year, when you were there,

we beat the charges the last game. Like, that was my first year being a captain. And I'd never been a captain my whole life. Like, so that was my first time really being voted a captain. So it was like, I was learning a lot. You know what I mean? And that being in that leadership role. But it was different.

It was a lot easier when I had a bunch of guys who thought like me. Like, Quentin Jefferson, Solomon Thomas, Yonick, like they're all, Like all of them are fucking crazy. Yeah. Like they're like that. Yes, he is. They're all kind of crazy in their own way. But like that's how I am.

So like I really didn't have to push. You know what I mean? We're all like they've seen how I work. There wasn't negotiables. They're with me after the work. You know what I mean? After practice running with me. KJ.

I had a full squad. Yeah. Like I wasn't having to pull motherfuckers. That's what I feel like this year. It was different. You know, it's a lot different because a whole new team basically. More use? Yeah.

A lot of younger guys. A lot of guys. coming from other teams practice squads and boom they're playing on Sunday with me so that's that was the challenge this year is like this dude doesn't fucking even I don't know this guy at all I just met him two days ago and now I got to try to lead him you know what I mean like that was the biggest challenge this year is there was a lot of change a lot of different guys in and out ton of injuries so like it was a big challenge and I feel like overall it's like the hardest year mentally for me because I feel like I was playing my best ball and I really had a lot of shit that was going on we were

struggling we're losing a lot of close games like there was a lot of moments where I could have just fucking lost, you know, lost my marbles and act out, you know, just fucking lash out. But like, I really had to sit there and just internalize a lot of shit and just be grateful for just being in this situation because I could look at it and bitch about it. Oh, I don't have, you know, I don't have a bunch of pro bowlers playing with me. I don't have this. He has this and point to other teams. Well, this guy's got that. You know what I mean? Like, I could do that, but it's just, it does nothing. And it's, that's what a fucking coward would do. And for me, it's like, bro, I trust.

what I'm doing. I know I'm working like like no other. And I trust in the end it's all going to work out the way it's supposed to if I just continue doing the right shit. And like, I look at guys like Aaron Donald. Like bro, he was in with the Rams. They sucked for years. And he was the best player in the league, but nobody was really

talking about him like how they talk about him now. But over the time he stuck to the process, he continued to dominate. And then by year, what is it? Year 10 last year, he's in the Super Bowl. Biggest moment. Everyone fucking sees Aaron Donald. There's no question he's the best. he goes on the biggest play and

fucking wins the Super Bowl. Like, that's the shit I think about. Like, when I get those moments. Yeah, like, it's touchdown, bro. And he wins and gets home ballgame. Like, that's the type of shit I think about. Like, I can lose my shit right now and be like, well, fucking Michael Parsons is rushing with

DeMarcus Lawrence and fucking, you know, he's got other, you know, whatever. But that's not, you know, that's not what it is. My story is different than everybody. So I just trust that, bro, and I continue to just grind, bro. I work nonstop. And I trust it's all going to work out

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to play for the Raiders. Like, how is that, how are you going to work through that process? Because that stadium, you can see it, you can see the strip. And it is a cool place to be. It is fun. And if you're a young cat with all this money, like, how do you keep guys straight during the season when you're not winning all the games you should be winning. That's a tough question.

You know, everybody's different. And that's the biggest difference when you get to the NFL is not like college. You know, everybody in college, it's like. More structure. Yeah, it's a lot more structure. Everybody's on an even playing ground. Nobody's richer than this guy. It's like, this is what it is.

You know what I mean? Now you get to the NFL and this is any city. You play with New York Giants here in New York City. There's always going to be that. Like, I was, bro, I was in Ipsilani, Michigan. and I still found ways to get fucking lit and have fun and do all that shit. So like being in Vegas, obviously, it's amplified.

But I feel like just having a solid foundation, bro, having good people around you, being around the right people. Because there can be, there's a, bro, there's a million people that are going to pull at you. And, hey, I got this for you, bro. Hey, coming to this club, I got you hooked up. And then all of a sudden, two months later,

like, you owe me $20,000 from that one day. Right. What? You know what I mean? Little shit like that. And those colloers are skeevy, bro. Fuck yeah. So, like, bro, I just,

for me it's just I don't even bro I don't even go to the club I'm chilling all the time I go to cigar lounge that's the only thing I do So but you have your you have straight Yeah I have a different but yeah for young guys bro it's hard Like if I was here as a rookie I don't even know What the fuck I was fucking wild I was gonna say like you've been you've been really vocal

About your whole process yeah you first came in the league Imagine if you were in Vegas Bro it would be crazy and that's that's the thing like I say like these Rookies I can't sit here and be like Stay in your house and do like Because at the end of the day bro guys are gonna go out Especially if you're single. Especially if you're single, you're going to be out doing whatever you're going to do.

It's just about being smart, bro. Be cautious. Don't go out by yourself. Don't go out with people you don't know. You really got to roll with the people you trust and stay out the bullshit because there's a bunch of bullshit going on. Especially at that, bro, you go out to a nightclub. You don't know what the fuck's going to happen. You know what I mean?

Somebody, they see you, they know you're an NFL player. You're immediately a target. No matter what it is. Like, they want whatever you got. So, and people are willing to lose whatever they have to fucking get what you have. People will fucking rob you in broad daylight. They don't care. And that's just the thing, you know, for the young guys, just knowing who you're around and trying, and don't just be out and about.

Like, it's normal. You know what I mean? You're not. I think that's the thing I, like, I still have to slap myself because I'll drive and pull up to a gas station by myself and the fucking big chain. I won't even think about it. You know what I mean? And that's now, like, as I gotten older, like, I truly have to, like, slap myself in the face. It's like I'm not, I can't just roll around and do whatever, like normal sometimes because

people are crazy, bro. You see it all the time. Guys, NFL players go to L.A. and get fucking their whole shit robbed and taken and they're just going out there to go hang out with family. It's like, it's dangerous, bro. Especially nowadays, bro. You see more and more of it all the time.

Can you talk about when the switch with Derek Carr was made? How it impacted you and how you felt like it probably impacted the team in that moment, if at all, because obviously there was a. lot of noise outside of the building. Yeah. A lot of noise. Definitely outside the building. It was tough, bro.

I remember that morning. Because D.C.'s been the defranchised guy since you've came to the Raiders. Yeah. Yeah. He was all four years. He was my quarterback. He's nine years of the starter, which is crazy. It doesn't happen.

So, yeah, I'm sitting there. You're hearing rumors like, okay, is Derek going to get benched this week? you know, what is going on, blah, blah, blah. And you're just kind of hearing rumors, rumored. But you know how it is. You don't believe all this shit. You're just like, okay, we'll see. And then all of a sudden, like, we went in that morning,

and me and D.C. are always the first two guys in there. And we sit there and eat breakfast. It's like squad is at eight. Like, we're in there at 6 o'clock. And we sit there and we eat breakfast together. We talk. We go in the hot tub. I go, take a dump, and then he goes and does whatever he does.

You know what I mean? So I go in there and D.C. wasn't there at the breakfast table. And so I asked Angie who's there. She runs the kitchen. She's the best. Shout out to Angie. This is the camera. I love you, Angie.

She's the best. She always sits with us and watches it and just chops it up with us. And I was like, Angie, where's D.C.? Have you seen him? She's like, no, he hasn't been in yet. And that's in my head. I'm like, fuck. You know what I mean?

Something went down. So, yeah, like an hour later, I'm in my locker. I just got out the hot tub. and D.C. walks in, and he's looking at me. I just knew. Like, I just knew immediately. And he just, whatever, he gave me a man hug. He's like, bro, I don't want to make it look like I'm, you know,

quitting on y'all or anything, but like me and Josh talk. Like, you know, I'm going to be, I'm going to go home for these next two weeks and, you know, figure out my situation. But it was like, you know, obviously they had their business behind the scenes. And they've had, you know, had an agreement. So, like, it wasn't like he just. like, fuck it, I'm not showing up. It was just like, you know, business. So yeah, it was tough. Like, DC's my boy, bro. Like, me and DC have been always, you know, as friends, like, bro, he's a great

dude. I love DC and he's going to, you know, somebody's going to have him as their starting next year. And hopefully I get to play against him. It would be dope. But I wish him the best, bro. It's just, it's hard. Like, in this league, there's really, you know, you can play for a team for 10 years, give everything you got. Like, but unless you're like Michael Jordan or, you're, you're, like, you hear Tom Brady like even Tom Brady it's the same thing like bro he was in year 21 six suitable and there he ended with a bad relationship and they got rid of you know what I mean and there was kind of friction like it's crazy bro at the end of the day so it's a business it's a business and that's the thing you got to realize it's not personal it's not like people

don't like DC everyone you know everyone's cool with DC we love them but it is what it is you know Josh and Dave they got their vision of what they want and you know that's just part of this business man I and I trust them you know know, I'm on this team and they're my coaches. At the end of the day, I got to believe in what they got. You know what I mean? And what they're bringing and what they're doing? But at the same time, it's hard when it's your boy.

And there's emotion to it. So it's like, damn, what the fuck? And then you like, you want to get mad. But it's like at the same time, you have to understand both sides of it. And that's kind of what I've learned, you know, being in the league more. It's like you can't take shit personally because it's not personal, bro. It's a billion-dollar business. And it is what it is.

Dude, I've been around Derek just like a handful of times. He's like the nicest. seems like the nicest guy. Yeah, he's a great dude. Focused, kind, like, charismatic, good dude. So he's gone. This is the off-season. Hypothetically,

who do you want to be the quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders? Who do I want? Like, if it was just your world, they call you say, who you want, you got who you want. You get to play GM for a day. You get to play GM.

Now, this will be taken out of context. People are like, oh, Max wants this guy, wants that guy. I'm just saying perfect world, boss. Yeah, fun hypothetical. Hypothetical. Fun hypothetical. Fun hypothetical. We're just having a little giggle time, dude.

Yeah. This is a nice little time. Just boys hanging out. Tom Brady might be on the market. Two dogs. Three dogs. I don't even see a little one over there. Yeah, she's snuck in.

Yeah, she's snucking behind the tank, dude. Tom Brady? I would love to have Tom Brady. Oh. I don't know how that can be controversy. It's fucking Tom Brady. Yeah, for sure. As a leader.

As a fucking player. As the goat. As the goat. Fuck yeah. I would love. to play with Tom Brady. Bro. If he came to,

if you come to Vegas, bro, have you met him? I'll fucking, I'll go to wherever he's at to introduce myself. The level of respect I got for him, is out this world. So, yeah, I would love to have Tom Brady.

But we'll see. I don't know what's going to happen. But I've only met him when I played him two years ago. It was the COVID year. And he was on the field. We played in Vegas, empty-ass stadium.

We come in for pre-game. And I always, like, early on in my career, I'd always, like, kind of walk around the field. and it was like a part of my routine and like my full like pregame outfit like just my fit

and I'm walking by myself going around and then fucking Brady walks out of the locker and by himself and I'm like oh my God I felt it I felt the aura and I've seen him we didn't say anything to each other at the time whatever I was just walking to him

I think he's walking he's just kind of looking around looking at the stadium which is in hindsight it's kind of crazy you know it's just plotting out his next team Yeah. But, yeah. But anyway, so I talked to him after the game. He's, you know, obviously he was a great dude.

He was super cool. But yeah, bro, I would love, obviously, I would love that Tom Brady. He's a goat. He is the goat. Dude. Very few people you ever meet in your life have that kind of aura. Yeah, it's different, bro. But everyone I've met who has met Tom is like, dude, it was like a glow behind him.

It's different, bro. Yeah. He's like too handsome. Yeah. He's too handsome. I feel like he's had something done. Oh. Oh, yeah.

A classy amount. Like, he doesn't look like he's, like, you know my man, this Botox. Like, it's, it's, you know, them teeth ain't real. No. But I think he's done a classy amount of work. High class amount. Expensive. He doesn't get, like, filler and stuff and, like, all, you know what I'm saying?

I would like to know what's happening to his cheeks. Like, what's going down with the cheeks? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You see Stavvy baby? Oh, no. With them, yeah, I'm not going to even deal with. He says some shit, I can't say. But.

Yeah, dude. He does. Because you look at pictures of him, and I hope on this YouTube right now, we're flashing a picture of Tom from his rookie year. Because my God, he had that rounded out face. No cheekbones. No cheekbones. No it's different. Yeah, bro, he's different now. He's like 47. He's like 47. Dude. He's not 47. He's getting younger. Do you think he still got it? Sorry, I hate to cut you off. I know you probably, you're pivoting, but do you think Tom still has it? Absolutely. I love that. I agree with you 100%. Absolutely. I hate when people.

You think so? I mean, he's like mid-40s. It doesn't matter. They said that when he was 40. You know, he's 46 now. Look how they got into the playoffs, bro. He was snapping and having come back games. He threw for 400 yards just two weeks ago.

They had a lot of injuries, bro. Get receipts. They had, bro, I watched football and Tom could still play. Their whole line was getting murdered this year. And that's just out of respect. I think they were ranked last in the league. Like, he was getting hit all the time. They had a lot of injuries.

Their backs were hurt. Like, they had a lot of shit. going on but it's funny you look back you see what he did his last year in new england when you all beat him he everyone said the same thing oh he's done he's washed he's done and this is i look at it like and i'm you know i like to write that little story it's like oh well it's gonna be his last hooprass line oh two or three year deal you know in las vegas yeah he got his boys back be with the boy he knows the gm he knows the he knows he just come on let's be real yeah i tell you and you got studs on offense too

Do you have a good line? Our old line was played a lot better than people expected this year. They did really well. Josh led the league and rushing you guys. Josh led him rushing. Snapped. Chip on his shoulder. Devante went for over 1,500.

We have Colt Miller, one of the best left tackles in the league. We got a lot of, bro, we got a lot of saw guys. For sure. Do you think, what do you think Josh Jacobs' future is with the Raiders right now? Because he's about to be a free agent? He's a free agent, yeah. So I know for a fact that the coaches love. them. Obviously, when they first came, we had three first round picks from my class. It was

Clee, Josh, and John Abram. And before the year, they declined all their fifth year options. So everyone's like, oh, fuck. They're cleaning house. You know how they are in New England. They don't value the running back. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. From my perspective, I know Josh. Like, me and Josh have been boys since I got there. And Josh is one of those people that, like, he need, like, I feel like he needs that little extra motivation. Like, oh, you don't, okay. I remember exactly what you said. He's going to make you look dumb.

And that's what I feel like this year was. Like, everyone was saying, oh, it's New England. They don't, you know, they don't value running backs the same. They'll just bring him in. Josh literally was the best running back in the league this year, and you can't even argue it. Every category, yards per carry, broken tackles, amount of first-downs run. Like, he did everything.

And so I'm extremely proud of him. obviously being one of my boys, but I think he's going to stay here, bro. And no matter, I don't know what that's going to look like if they tag or try to sign an extension, but I think he's 1,000% earned an extension. Like, the dude has been a pro bowler. I think this is third time now in four years.

So, like, he's the dude is a dog. He's an absolute dog. You know, Josh, the shit he plays through, he's always banged up. And he's always about, like, you know, I remember when we got our assail from the Chiefs. Yeah. And he was so pissed about him fumbling, like, early in the game.

And just like, man, on the outside looking in, what do you feel like it is? I'm like, I just fucking got it. Like, we just got our ass who up type of deal. But he's very much, like, in it. He loves football. Yeah, he loves ball. That's what I talk about. The guys like that, the Devontes, we need guys that have that mindset.

No matter what the town level, the Duran Harmon's the dudes who really love football, that's what you need in the building. And Josh is 100% that guy. going back just for a second on the on the DC situation was there ever a time where you're like fuck man because there is a lot you know that like I think it was a statistic that was out there that the Raiders been ranked like bottom tier defense

since he's been a quarterback do you like ever sit there like fuck man like you put a little bit on yourself obviously you ultimately don't or you can't but you're just like fuck if we could have just honestly bro I don't know how to answer that you know what I mean early in his career, like, their defense is like bottom defense every year.

Like, we haven't been the worst of the worst, but we haven't been great. But also, you just look at it, we've had three different D coordinators in the last three years. So, like, I think stability is a big thing as well. And that's something, you know, having Pat Graham back next year for the second year, I feel like we're only going to get better. And, you know, having Josh back, like, everybody, if it immediately doesn't work, they're like, fuck it, fire everyone. That's the outside world.

And that's just, you know, that's natural. Because you see other coaches, like day ball comes in, boom, giants, playoffs, already won a playoff game, be like, oh, fuck, why aren't we doing that? Josh automatically gets compared to that. Immediately compare, but every situation is different. And so, you know, it is what it is. You know, from the fans' perspective, it's like, what the fuck? Fuck to him.

We're firing him. That's how they think about every coach if you don't succeed right away. But, you know, I feel like Josh is doing the right thing. It's just going to take time. For sure, and I feel like we're, you know, we're going the right direction. Are you the, were you the biggest pro-bo snub in the league? I made the pro-ball. Or all-pro.

My fault. All-Pro. Woof. My fault. My fault. My fault. My fault. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

Were you the biggest all-pro snub in the league? That's not me to decide, but. You're a competitive motherfucker, dude. No, no, it's, that shit fucking pissed me out. I saw like you vocalize it a little bit or enough to be like, hey, this is a receipt I'm keeping. Yeah, for sure. But it's like anything else, bro. When I look at it, you know, you have this own story in your head.

Boom, this is how it's going to go. I want this. I want this. I'm going to get this. Like this year, bro, if I look at it, like, I made All-Pro last year. A second team, all-pro, I had eight sacks. But I had 100 plus pressures, boom, whatever. And that was like, you know, from the outside world, everyone was like, oh, it was a fucking flash in the pan.

You're just doing it because it was a contract. he needed to get a contract. Like, I heard that shit all offseason. Like, okay, it was like this big storybook. Max told everybody about his sobriety story. Like, it was just like people that's everyone had like, oh, it's just too good to be true. That was his year.

But like people, I feel like people in the outside world didn't truly respect me, like, fully as like a Miles Garrett or T.J. Watts. Because, you know, they're all first round picks. They're all top 10 guys. They're all consistently ballers. Like, so for me, going into this year, like, my attitude was like, fuck that.

Like I'm that guy Like I'm gonna be that guy I'm gonna be Because I'm always compared Ever since Kalil Mack left Like everyone talks about How the Raiders Been missing a pass rush

Or missing Kalil Mack We haven't recovered from Khalil Mack leaving And that's like something I take super serious bro Like and I take offense Like I take offense to that shit Like

But in a good way I let it use it as motivation And so like In my storybook Like I have a lot of things That I want to do And going into this year Like

All right How am I gonna do better How am I gonna do better than second team all pro. Okay, I want to be first team all pro. I want to do, there's a lot of things, but I'm not like a big like number. I don't put a number on anything. Like, I'm going to get this amount of sacks, this amount of blah, blah, blah. For me, it's like, I'm going to fucking improve. Well, whatever that looks like, I'm going to improve as a player and take it to another, take a whole other step.

And I've, just from a film perspective, from a stat perspective, I did that in literally every facet. I have more, I brought, I led the team in tackles as a DN. I have fucking 89 tackles. Like I had 22 TFLs I led the league. I had 12 and a half sacks. It was like tied six. Pressures. I was top three in the league. Like every category, like I took big strides.

And for me in my head, like my perfect story is boom, I'm going to start in the pro bowl again. I got that. The last thing was all pro. And I'm like, boom, I can't wait. And then all of a sudden I look at the list. I'm like, what? And like I was shook, bro. Like I was hurt.

Like, you know what I mean? Deep down. Like that shit hurt my pride I'm like what the fuck I got better bro I know I got better And I didn't make it And that's like that's the thing And in my perspective

In my world like I wanted That was the final thing that I fucking wanted On this season you know we didn't make the playoffs I knew we weren't making the playoffs Like just from my personal goals And then I didn't get that And I'm like All right motherfuckers

Like I the season went great But I'm not doing enough That's just the way took it and I know I got better. Like y'all must have forgot. Yeah, but at the same time, like, bro, like, yeah, like, I know I got better. My goal was to get better. I did, bro, everything in my power, all fucking offseason. I did everything right. And then that was the last thing that I wanted. And boom, I didn't get it. And so for me, I could sit there and bitch and go on Twitter, fuck that is

bullshit. You know, you see guys all the time bitching about the show. You see just a couple games ago when fucking dude had a meltdown and blaming the refs and I see dudes blame it well fucking old lineman hold all the time refs don't call it like I'll never be that guy bro I think that's you know shit like that is so weak to me like you're gonna get held like I'm know I get held all the time or you watch the Rams last drive against us where I was getting literally tackled but I'm not going to go and double down and go look like a little fucking cry baby you know what I mean that's not me so at the end of the day like the last thing I wanted was to get that all pro

but I know at the end of the day I'm gonna look back next year when I do everything I set out to do and be like yeah the shit was for a reason God needed that little that little thing that's gonna fucking push me to do that extra little rap the extra little shit

and it is what it is like that shit pisses me like it really hurt me Hey Dave don't you like that You know that's kind of not for me to decide He's like hey come on now he's like man I'm fucking Bro that shit yeah

I'm gonna let you know I'm not like that but fuck that shit dude No, like, I get it. It is what it is. And I can't do anything. Like, in my young self, like, I thought the same thing. Like, my rookie, when I was going, my rookie year, like, I thought I was going to win rookie of the year.

I thought I should have won it. I didn't. But that helped me the next year. Like, it's always something that every player needs that little extra motivation. And, like, I can't control that. But at the end of the day, bro, I know, like, it's all going to pay off. Like, it's all going to, I don't need to force it and talk on Twitter. and do all this extra shit and complain and what is that going to do for me bro it's going to

make me look like an ass if i go next year and don't play as well you know what i mean like i'm going to do everything i can to be better than i was this year and that's that's what's going to push me so yeah it is what it is so if you're looking at it now like i was snubbed that pissed you off and i think i got to work harder and do what were things little minor critiques you make to your offseason training regiment that might get you that all pro um i honestly I think that's something I'm looking at right now before I start training again. Yeah.

Before I start training again, I do it every year, especially these last two years. You train here? Yeah, I train in Vegas. Yeah, do you train the facility? Facility, yeah. So, yeah, that's something I'm evaluating right now. Sorry, he's like, he hears my mouth in the microphone.

Dude, we'll, Beau. Anytime someone goes and starts talking, he opens his mouth like that. shit's going on up up up top and he's juicing me up I can't put your lips together I'm like I'm in you know what I'm just like it's just me taking it in I guess I can't fucking help you say

You said You got me riled up I'm fucking fired up You know it was like a hype little deal right there I was high So many needs to cut that and put that A bunch of music behind me This is Spartan music yeah

It's like Drake dude I had somebody tell me I fell off Ooh I needed that Yeah I needed it But that's yeah For me like it routine that's something i'm a breakdown like i've already talked to the strength staff the nutritionist we've already sat down and boom we're gonna this is what we're gonna do a little adjustments where i can

you know improve on but it's it's not the work ethic part of it bro i put in i know i work fucking extremely hard it's just about how can i make it a little bit better what can i do a little bit smarter a little shit like that and so that like this second year like going into my third year there was a lot of big adjustments i had to make and i i felt like I took another big step. Like I added boxing into my off days instead of just doing strictly tubs and chilling. Like I added an hour boxing in that.

So there's something, you know, there's always going to be little shit. Like I'm starting, I'm going to add yoga this off season. Like just adding a little shit. But, you know, I don't know everything yet, but just try to take that next big step. Because I know in this league, bro,

like if the biggest thing is the guys that continue to do it, and you know this fucking well-being of pro boy, doing it over and over. like you either get worse or you get better and like there's no in between you don't just stay the same you don't like for me it's i can't like i can't even i don't even know what life would look like just in my brain if i didn't do all the things i was doing out like if i could just chill this off season like some a lot of guys do it they're fucking chilling and and just take a step back like i i can't even sit like i is i have to take this time off to just let my body rest but i'm still meal

prep and stretching, Norma Tech and every day. Like, I have to do it for my own sanity. So, like, that's what it is for me, bro. Just taking that next step. I'm fucking, like, obsessed with the process because I know where I want to go and I can't do it any other way. So I'm just fine-tuning everything.

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That addiction becomes a superpower. Oh, yeah. It's real shit. This is an outstanding first impression for me with you. I'm very impressed. I'm glad you guys are finally meeting too. It is crazy because it's like, I'm like, damn, I thought, I guess you guys haven't met each other.

Yeah, it's just crazy. Because when I saw you, when I saw you, you were waiting for us outside, which was a very kind of you, by the way, to wait for us when we were pulling up. Next to the Reds'Roy's. I was like, oh, there's the boy. Like, I feel, I literally feel like we've met before. 100%.

And hung out. So this has been, and it's cool to see your mindset, because you've got it, bud. I appreciate it. You got it. Everything but being white, like everything's going for you. That means a lot, bro. Taylor knows when I got to Oakland

and my boy checked in on me after my first day at school with the Raiders. And I was like, hey, somebody on the squad is like a fan of busing with the boys. I was like, it's Max Crosby, you weren't who you are now, but it was like, I don't know, now looking back, that's fucking cool. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool.

When you went to each guy, he said, hey, he's like telling somebody, he goes, no, this man's famous. I'm just kind of sitting there, like, nervous, like, you know, first day in the meeting. Yeah. Oh, you think you're somebody, huh? He's like, no, I'll rock with bustling with the boys. I'm like, yo, let's fucking go. That's a hilarious contrast to you going up to Will,

like, hey, I fuck with you guys. And then Richie incognito being like, oh, I do bustling with the boys. Just bullying Fucking bully me Bullion What was it like playing with Richie Shit I love Richie

He's awesome One of my favorite teammates I've ever had The dude is He like You talk about work ethic That motherfucker works bro And like takes care The way he took care of his body

How massive he is And playing 15 years Wide body Bro A fucking semi truck And he looks like he's 16 years old in the face He's no stress

Like he just A dude is different He's been through a lot of shit and like just being around him and getting to you know become closer with him like he was truly one of the best teammates I had like take me under the wing like type of dude like he was exactly that guy like for some reason when I first got there like we practiced you know we start practicing doing OTAs together and like we started to like become boys because I'm fucked up in the head like he is like I'm practicing hard as fuck like we're not even in pads and I know I'm a rookie

I'm just trying to make an impression and like I'm flying around the field and for some reason like Richie obviously he's he's paying attention a little bit seeing how I do shit and like he just we immediately clicked because he respected it just how I did shit and ever since then bro we became boys and I still like when he retired I went up and seen him like on his retirement and like me and him have always you know been really cool and he goes to all the freaking games I'll be on the sideline about to walk the game's about to start he'll be in there in a polo back to fucking grab me give me a biggest hug in the planet and fucking throw my rib out because he squeezes the life out of me. But he's

yeah, I fucking, I can go on and out about Richie, bro. He's, he's a loyal, die hard, just like real, real bro. A healthy, a healthy Richie is like one of the best friends to have. No, literally, bro. He is an incredible human being. Absolutely. What a massive fucking dog. He's a big boy.

Now he stood up and everybody could see him too. Everybody's like, holy shit. He literally, he like, take my life any second. Oh, anytime he wanted. Max, I like, I came in the house. Before I came in the house and Max was like, hey, just walk straight. Don't really, don't look down. I don't make any facial expressions. And I'm just kind of like

walking the house and Max just starts laughing. He's like, yo, he's not going to do nothing. But the dude's fucking massive. Hey, watch the wires. Watch the wires, Dirk. There it go, buddy. He's just going to, he'll be fine. He'll stand there for like five minutes. He was assessing the situation before he came over here. He doesn't want to fuck shit out.

Careful, God. Should you do your talk? Yeah, do we have? Let's take a quick pause and then we'll come back with your talk. Yeah. All right. So for Tier Talk this week, we are going to do best dog breeds. And I feel like best and favorite. There's a great line there because I'm sure you can look at the best dogs and it's probably not going to equal that with us. We'll say our favorite dog breeds

for our Tier Talk. Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first? I can go first. No honorable mentions. My tier three is going to be Rottweiler. with a dog growing up my parents first dog before they had me you know how parents do the trial run like let's do a dog we can take care of a dog we can take care of a baby type thing they had a Rottweiler named Conan

after Conan the barbarian they had him trained all the way up to like he could have been like some kind of like the police style training dog but he would have had to leave for like three months but a very well trained Rottweiler and so ever since like growing up with Conan it was like I loved Rottweilers my tier two

what I currently have Waffle, English Bulldogs. They're just so, like, unique to me, dude. And, like, you come home, they don't greet you. They stay on the couch. You go in, like, you have to go give them love. They kind of just look sad and, like, but they love you. All they want to do is cuddle.

They got a couple issues, yeah. But all in all, like, I love English Bulldogs. My buddies would have them when I was growing up, and I'd go to their house, and I love playing with them. And then Rob Deerdeck on. fantasy factor and everything. When they had that dog and it was skateboard and everything else,

I just always saw it was the fucking coolest. My tier one, Pit Bulls. I know you love pits as well. I think pit bulls are fucking awesome. Yeah. I used to have a pit named Boogie. I named my dog Boogie after

Levante David. Levante David's nickname in college was Boogie. A little horny boy. And so I told Boogie, I said, when I get my first dog, going to be a pit and I'm going to name him after you. So that's my story about having my pit. Then, you know, my girlfriend and I broke up out of, you know, guilt.

You kind of like, you can have, yeah, we can. You know, got to get that. Yeah. We can cut that part out. But, um, did, pit bulls, dude, pit bulls. I think, I think they're fucking awesome. Uh, no, no. If you guys hear a baby, that's Max's newborn.

She's a stud. She's trying to, she's trying to get some time in on the pod. You got to respect it. Got to respect that. Yeah, she likes to touch him. But, um, But that's my tear talk. Now what the rule is, you go around the room,

and everybody gives a one-word answer on how they feel like your tear-talk wink, kind of like a judgment thing. Okay, I'll let Taylor start this. Diseased. Jesus. Not a fan of Pitts. Magnificent.

Fun contrast there. JP, what was your word be? I'll go ahead and echo it. Swole. Mitch? Almost. Do you want to go You want me to go next?

I'll go. All right, go ahead, Bob. Tier three. I'm going to start off a little curveball. You know, the only dogs I've ever had are pits. My parents, they own

little yappy little fuckers. I love them, but I never claimed them. I'm going to start Tier 3 with Dobermans. And the reason why is because they're excellent athletes. They're fucking

terrifying. And there's something about him. Every time I see a Doberman, you get a little, like, you don't know what's going to happen. Is he going to kill me? Is he going to kill me? Or is he like, I want this dude by my side? Yeah. So every time I see a Doberman, I just have a level of respect for the dog that I felt like it needed to make the list because, you know, they're not loved on enough, I feel like, and they're feared in a way. But I respect them. Um, tier two, um, I'm going to have to go with Rottweilers. My teammates in college, a ton of them had Rottweilers. Cleave Fair. He's got a Rottweiler, great dog. Super loyal, big-ass teddy bears.

But if they need to get the job done, they'll get the job done. So I respect the shit out of them as well. But number one, unanimous decision, pit bulls. I got three best dogs on the planet. They're loving. They're loyal as fuck. But they will take you down if you cross the line. And that's the thing with them.

Especially that big motherfucker. Yeah. My big motherfucker. My big guy, he's two pit bulls and one. Is he known as like an ex-L? He's an ex-l bully. So he's a pit and a American bulldog. The other two are pit mixes.

Yeah. So, yeah, the thing with pits, bro, like they're super loyal, but they're big babies at the end of the day. Like, if they love you, they're going to just lay out. Like, they act like they're a human in the house. And every time I come home, there's the response. always the same. So I respect their consistency. I expect that they got the grit and they're dangerous enough where people, you know, have a little bit of fear when they try to cross a line,

but they'll always be there for you. So big shout out to pit bulls all around the world. Gritty. Yes. J.P. Buclous. Dominant. Dominant from JP. Mitch? Tough. Tough. Alpha. Speaking of, dude, I wish the camera can catch that. Look at that.

Man, did you try to rob this place and that dog's right there? Dirk. Come here, Dirk. Dirk, come here. All right. There he comes. That was the most Dan Campbell four answers I've ever heard in my life. Yeah.

Grit, tough. Chevy Taha. You should just say Dan Campbell. We could have just said Silverado. That would have been all. All right. My tear talk. Bro, he just walks loud.

He's heavy. Yeah. All three of my tiers are pit bulls. Okay, let's see. By tier three, I grew up on a ranch in Arizona. Every cowboy had this dog, and it was the blue healer. Those dogs would work cows, they'd work with horses, they'd work with sheep, they'd do the job that need to get done. The reason why they're not higher on my list is because they are a rambunctious, energetic.

And if they're not trained properly, they will absolutely ankle bite any visitor at all times. I love the way they look. I love the way they get after it, and they're hardworking, just like the Chevy Silverado. And that's why they must be in my list. I love that. That is my tier three. Taylor, I don't want to cut you off.

But those blue healers look very similar to, like, German Shepherd's, but they're kind of smaller, right? Or am I completely... They're short-haired. They're shorter-haired. They're shorter-haired. It's hard to explain, like, any movie you've seen with a cowboy in it. Smart's off.

That's okay. Yeah, extremely smart. And we'll go all this. They'll go and work all day for you. But if you want to own one, you got to have some wide open spaces for them to run. My tier two, this dog would have never made my list until I met my wife. She has this dog. I think, I didn't know what to think of them.

I thought they were beautiful and majestic. I thought scenery like up in the mountains with the snow. I'm like, wow, what a beautiful dog, but I don't think I'll ever own this one. This dog is going to be the Husky, Siberian Husky. They shed like shit, but my wife's dog, a cute. She's getting pets from hers like pickles on a sandwich. She'll take them or leave them. It doesn't really matter to her.

She hangs out, she does her thing. She's the most low-maintenance dog in the world, and it's completely changed my views on Huskies. I think they're an incredible species of animals, extremely smart and very vocal. And my tier one goes out to the greatest dog you could possibly get. When you go down to a humane society, and you look around those little crates and gates

and you see dogs staring at you, it's not just one type of dog. It's a whole bunch of types of dogs. And when you take a cocktail combination of animals and you put them together, most of the time you're going to get the best combo possible. So my tier one is the mutt. The mix of all those animals,

you put them together, they look funny most of the time, they are funny most of time, and they usually have the best personalities. so the mutt, those pound puppies, are my tier one. Sure. Unique. J.P. said politically correct. What do you mean?

I've never owned the number one. The God tier. The Lord is the Honorable mention. Why not honorable mention it? You love the Chihuahua. I had him in there, but he's right. That's why I got a little uppermint. in arms as I thought damn I'm gonna get it I don't think I'm ready to take this right now I'm

not ready to take these hands on the internet but I do love the chihuahua I think the chihuahua is fucking hilarious when I was a little kid and I would see the tecara taco bell dog ripping around the little short hair brown fellas I would always say to myself someday I'm gonna have this dog and I would have little matching outfits maybe cool little glasses little chill boys hanging out now I have a stipulation for these dogs that I'm going to get some day I will Chihuahua someday. I have to make sure this has got to be an anomaly of a chihuahua.

It can't bark and it can't bite. Other than that, dude, they're chill boys and they're outstanding. Maybe you guys should we do your one word. Boy, he's going to have a muzzle chihuahua. I'm not going to stereotype, but every chihuahua I've met is the meanest

fucking dog I've ever met my life. Number two in dog attacks. Yeah. So the chihuahua is the right number two amongst all dogs and attacks. Wow. That's,

You want to read your one word? No, no. If you were going to have Chihuahua, I was going to have high maintenance. Suss. I know who I am. Anyways. Wow. Well, boys and girls, that is that in the end of the episode.

Yeah. Shout out Chihuahua. Is there anything else that we got for Maxi? I don't think so. Were you guys listening throughout the episode and was intrigued to get a question out? I'd go any further in anything he was saying? Mitch loves ball, so I'm kind of looking at Mitch. I feel like he was getting a ball.

owner over there listening. You talk about fucking work ethic and shit. Our ESPN reporter, Mitch, wants to know what Devante Adams brings to a team. Devante Adams. The thing with him, like, I've been, you know, you were there with the whole A-B saga. Well, you came after. I came right after, but it was that same year.

Yeah, it was that same year. So that was the first superstar receiver I ever dealt with. So I'm like, okay, this is, you know, know, you hear their divas. So I got to experience that whole thing. So my first, like, initial thought was like, okay, I've heard nothing but good things about Devante. Like, just from the outside world, like, you don't hear him talking, like, I'm the best,

blah, blah, blah, like, on the outside, he's not, he's never been that guy. So when he was coming, I was kind of, I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know if he was, you know, what he was like, whatever. Get another AB situation. Yeah, like, maybe another fucking diva. Like, that's not the guy you want in the locker room, regardless. And the day he came in there, bro, like, when I talk about everything I talked about, like a teammate you want a dude who fucking practices the right way, fucking trains the right way,

every single day, he's that guy, bro. And he's one of the most humble dudes, but extremely confident at the same time. He's not arrogant, he's not that, but he knows who he is. You know what I mean? And that's the level of confidence that a lot of guys can't get to. Because when you talk about Devante Adams, immediately, like, oh, he's best receiver in the league. Like he's always in that conversation. So he's just a great teammate, bro, and he's awesome.

Like just being around him, I fucking love Devante. Like, he, I don't know. I don't know what to explain to bro. He's unique. He's super fucking smart. Like, he's just a different type of dude. And you could tell, like, there's a reason why he's different. You know what I mean?

Just the way he plays, bro. He has no fear. He knows he's the guy. And like, he loves football. And that's really all you can say about him, bro. I can go on and on. But he's a great thing. teammate, bro. I love him to death. And I've only known him for a year, bro. I'd fucking, I've talked to him all

the time. Like, it's not like, you know, most locker rooms, like, sometimes you just talk to your D-line guys and stuff like that. Devante's one of those guys, like, he's one of my, one of the best teammates on the team. I talk to him all the time. He's a captain. He's just, uh, yeah, he's a total package. That's fucking dumb. Yeah, he's a stud, bro. I fucking love that, dude. He's a stud. Good question. Good work, Mitchie. Yeah. Oh. shot that's okay we're always looking to improve

we're in growth mindset yeah yeah if you can hear that in the background right now dirk is chugging yeah he doesn't taking a single breath he's getting after it dude

on that I totally forgot with the A B thing like as a rookie what was that experience like for you um was it as bad as it seemed

yeah I bet that was wild yeah like I don't know to explain it so when I when I first came in, boom, I got drafted by the Raiders. We signed,

like we had signed A.B., Richie, Vantes Berfect. Like, we, like, every big, like you think about the craziest motherfucker, they were all on our team. So I didn't know what to expect. The A.B. shit, like,

A.B. is a person. Like, if A.B. sat here with us right now, and you generally, like, it's just us in the room, no cameras, nothing. You would love A.B. You would love A.B. He was down to earth.

He's a great dude. But the second he left the building, bro, you didn't know what the fuck was about to happen. It was every day, bro. He would go, what's up, man? Hey, man, what up, man, Eastern Michigan, blah, blah, blah. I played, you know, he played a Central.

Like, that was like my end with him. That's a rookie. I'm like, I want to be cool with that motherfucker. And so we were cool. But, like, you would go home and all of a sudden there's something on Instagram. And then, like, as a shit started getting crazy, because he came in, he burned his feet off.

And then he had the helmet shit. So he was never. practiced and he never was around the offseason we're like what the fuck is going on he would show up here and there but like and when it be with like a camera crew and shit like oh he would bring a posse with him everywhere to the facility this locker room yeah in the facility

it was not a it was kind of like a high schoolish like you had some aisles but not a lot of room in the facility locker room bro like he had his own posse so it was like in the weight room he had his own trainers come so it was just a lot bro but you would never like if you just sat there

like he could be really is like he's not, I don't know, he's got, he's got his own shit, he's got to deal with, you know what I mean? There's a lot of shit that's going on, but like my experience one-on-one with him outside of the media, outside of that shit, like he was cool as fuck. But I don't know, he's got a lot of shit going on. But like, Vontes, like, Vontes, you would think about Vontes, berf, you're like, oh, my God. That's a fucking bird over. Right.

He is the fucking coolest dude, bro. Like, coolest shit. He came right out to me was, like, at first I was terrified. I'm like, okay, this Vontas Burfitt. That's a bad motherfucker. Oh, yeah. I'm going to try to earn that respect. Like, I didn't even know how to talk to him at first.

He was cool as shit, great leader, like great dude in the locker. Like, everyone fucked with him. And he was a real leader. He was dope. And then Richie's the same thing. Like, obviously, Richie's had his shit, too. Like, he's gone through a lot of shit. But Richie is a fucking great teammate.

So, yeah, my whole experience with everybody, like, you would think from the outside of it was like, oh, my God. But, like, inside the building, like, AB was gone before the season. Like, we were just waiting. Like, we're like, okay, is A.B. even going to play? Like, there was something after,

there was just always something. And then he leaked, like, Gruden's call on the fucking Instagram. Bro, literally after he came up and talked to the whole team. He came up, bro. All the captains went up there. A.B. walked up on the stage. He apologized. We're like, all right, bet.

So we're like, okay, he's about to play. Like, fuck yeah. AB's on board now. So everyone's excited. Bro, that night he posted the shit with Gruden. and how, you know what? That is fucking wild, bro. The same day.

Me and Clear took you're like, boo, what? We literally just talked about this shit. He's like, I'm done with the games, man. I apologize. Everyone's like, oh, fuck it, bro. Like, we get it. Like, everybody goes through shit.

So, like, I'm, that's, from my personal. Bro, I always give people the benefit of the doubt. So, like, I, this A.B. Like, fuck it. He's going through his shit. But, like, he wants to play. Everything seems 100% genuine, boom, boom, boom. Literally that night, he puts up.

on Instagram. Like, the whole Gruden shit, everything, just like, I'm like, what? And then by the next morning, he was cut. Me and Clearer in the building, Mayok's walking up through the hallway with a smile because Mayok had to deal with all this shit. And Mayok really wanted him to be a part of it. Gruden, they fucking, they wanted to love him, but like, there was more to it. You know what I mean? He was going. I don't know what he was going through. But like, and I pray for dudes like that. I don't know what he's got, what he's got going on upstairs. Like, it's tough. But yeah, like, People were like, it was like a breath of fresh air, bro. It was something every single day.

And he was supposed to be our franchise guy. Yeah. Like we're bringing AB to fucking Las Vegas. Like the best. Bro, the best. He was so fucking cold. I'm like, he's my team, bro. He's the coldest.

And they said like when he's out on the price field, like that motherfucker is running all day long. Running. And trying to do extra after. Like it just, it just seems like a bizarre. I've never seen anything like it. Was there ever a weird dynamic between Vontes Burfick and AB? Not at all. They're boys.

You would think because he fucking executed them on the cloud. Everyone's like, go too. It's like AB was never the same after that hit. That's what people say. Yeah, they're like, oh, he got CT from that. You know, everyone that's what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, everybody knows. Oh, they must fucking not.

Bro, when they came in the fucking locker room, bro, everybody was, everybody was cool as shit. Like, Vontes and him were boy. Like, it was no, there was no friction at all. Richie and AB were boys. Like, it was, when we were all just together as boys, like as teammates, there was no issues. But it's just there was a bunch of shit going on

And outside and it just you look back You're like damn what if But you'll never know Right It's crazy bro like we've had AB We're kind of had A B Now we have Devonta Like we've had some guys come in

It's just some cats Crazy bro Some dudes Dude we appreciate you man This has been fucking phenomenal This has been a phenomenal episode Yes I've had a blast I'm glad you guys got to come to the crib

Meet the dogs The whole Shabam Spend You got to be Taylor. It was amazing. Some wing stop, some pizza. You know how that it was too. Yeah, wing stop, pizza, water.

The boys, it's, you know. Moral gas. It was a little intimidating pulling up and seeing what you got sitting outside. You like that? Yeah, it was nice. Thank you. That was all, it seemed like it was perfectly, like manicured for that.

Yeah, he's like, all the boys are coming down. He said, yeah. Yeah, my horse, hold on a little. Yeah, that's perfect. Like an episode of MTV Cribs. Bro, it really was. Absolutely. Yeah, you've earned it.

And you're wearing the chain. Oh. And look at the wrist. Both of them. A little something. A little something. How many are you going to do a full body suit tattoo? What are we talking about here?

I want to get my chest, my upper back, and my, like, I want to get my whole, like, torso down this off season. Hell yeah. My guy is moving to Vegas. He's from Boston. So, like, I usually only get to see him, like, once in off season, and we just knock shit out. But he's moving here in March, so we might get some action. Yeah, get it right.

Yeah, I'm trying to get like you. You got all type of shit. Yeah, we're covered up a little bit. I got work to do still. Yeah. There's work out there. Yeah, my legs, bro. He's got my legs.

I haven't even got back to him. You have to see his chest. He's got a fucking cool little, uh, stag on there. Yeah, stag. I'm starting to get, I'm starting to have most of my torso done.

I need to, there's a couple more pieces right here, but I have my whole back done. I need to get like a couple places. It's not important, but I'm going to get a lot of shit done. Yeah. I'm with you.

It's going to be a big off season. Big off season. I love. I try to go do it. Well, thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen please like, subscribe, unsubscribe, re-subscribe, hit that merch. If you're looking for the Budweiser, can't get it anymore. It's over, boss.

So, go to the other shit. I love all that's like, as you're saying, you're like, ah, yeah, by the time this comes out, it's going to be over with. No, no, I need that this time. The last time I did it a couple days ago, I didn't. Yeah. But big hugs, tiny kisses. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

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May is Mental Health Awareness Month and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. I was six years into my career, the 80-hour weeks and just the first one in, the last one out, and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s

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On the Radio 831 podcast, join us, Sanjana Basker and Tyler McCall, as we unpack all the trending tropes, fuzzy adaptations, book talk drama, and celebrity love stories with hot takes and sharp guests. Each episode digs into what these stories reveal about desire, fantasy, identity, and how we love now. Listen to the Radio 831 podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.