Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Michael Bisping On How Prison Changed Him + Winning The UFC Belt

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Recorded: February 8, 2024 | On this episode of Best of the Bus, The Boys were joined by UFC legend Michael Bisping. Michael opened up about his journey to the UFC and how a trip to jail completely changed the trajectory of his life. The guys then dove into some of Bisping’s most memorable fights, discussing which moments stuck with him the most and whether any of those wars left lasting effects. They also talked about his transition into the media side of the UFC and how he found his voice as an analyst. To wrap things up, Bisping gave his thoughts on the upcoming Chandler vs. McGregor fight and what fans should expect. Michael was hilarious throughout and told some unbelievable stories, making this an all-time episode. Big hugs, tiny kisses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrite Wednesdays on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Kunky, his best friend, and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest

storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Always report a well-spoken individual. Oh, you're so well-spoken. Yeah. You have a good show on YouTube. There's a little slouch, bro.

I do. I keep myself busy, yeah. You've done a great job transitioning from fighters. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, as a former fighter or like all athletes, I mean, you guys did very well, but fighters in particularly, it's a hard road. You know what I mean? And then not a lot of fighters make money.

you know, there's only the tip of the iceberg. And I'm not talking about in the UFC. I mean, to get to the UFC, I mean, that in itself is very hard, you know, but to really be able to retire comfortably, you know, only the, only a select few get to do that, you know, in, in any professional sports. I mean, if you look at soccer, right, how many people play soccer, you know, and how many people get to actually really make a living. So, yeah, retiring as a fighter, still being involved with the sport, commentating the UFC.

I couldn't have worked out any better. and I'm a very happy man. Do you feel like you retired comfortably? Oh, yeah, no, for sure. At the time? Yeah, yeah, no, I had a great career. You know what I mean? I was able to win the belt, defend it,

I have some championship fights. You know, I was reping the UK for a long time as well. So I had a great career. I had a long run. Yeah, yeah, very comfortably. I mean, you can always be more comfortable. No question. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

You've got a goal post over and over again. Dana always looked after me and I always did very well. Were you doing any of the? the media stuff while you were fighting or was that a transition you made right when you got done? No, so I was doing it whilst I was fighting as well. Is this sound okay for you guys? Close enough? Yeah, so

you probably know or maybe you don't so I don't see my right eye. We've heard the late. Yeah, yeah. So when I started having the eye issues because obviously you want to be a champion and all the rest of it when I started having the eye issues and I was told I was never going to be able to fight again

and I did carry on fighting and I was lying and cheating on tests and all the rest of it, doing whatever I could, right? But I was like, this isn't going to last forever. I've got to figure out, I know my door is closing. The options are going to go away soon. So I started doing as much of that stuff as I could, working on Fox Sports at the time and then started a podcast

and then just whatever else I could do whilst I still had a platform and whilst people still gave a damn. You know what I'm saying? Because when you retire, you're old news. If it wasn't for the eye, do you think you would have had the idea to kind of, okay, I need to find out some different avenues. because as us as athletes like for me there was never a plan B you to kind of just think I'm going to play football and then I'll die on the field.

It'll be the greatest honor to go out that way. No, for sure. And that's always the goal. That's what you want to do. You've got to be single-minded to be successful and to be great at anything. You've got to be like that. But of course, you'd be a fool not to realize that there's a life after fighting. You know what I mean?

I think it was 2009. I started doing a little bit of acting and stuff like that. I never thought I'd end up doing that, but I just got offered an acting roll out the blue. so I was like, yeah, fucking why not? Let's give it a shot. The next thing I'm in Austin, Texas. Spent my per day for the entire shoot on the first night with my buddy. We had a great night out.

Turned the poncette, hung over to the mics, thinking, what am I doing here? But then ended up loving the entire process and done that stuff ever since as well. So, yeah, I mean, I always kind of had, pardon the pun, one eye on doing other stuff. Nice. Tell us about the legacy. We were a little birdie totalist that you had a DJ career, DJ Mikey Mikey Bee. DJ Mikey B. It's nothing to write home about.

So, yeah, I mean, listen, I was obsessed with martial arts as a kid. And then one day I was walking home from work when I was 16. And my buddy had a set of decks. I went into his house. And, you know, they were smoking weed and stuff. I was never a weed smoker. But I saw the decks and the turntables. And I just thought that was the coolest thing ever at 16.

So I stopped doing martial arts and became DJ Mikey B. I put all my effort into that. And I had a little bit of a, you know, following or whatever. I did okay for a while. But, but, you know, nothing to my home about. You know what I? I still spin the turntables a bit for fun when I'm bored.

I might do the occasional set here and there, but I've hung up the records a long time ago. You stopped MMA, so you were doing the DJ stuff, and then I was like, okay, let me get back into the fight game. Yeah, yeah, well, I wasn't doing MMA. I was doing martial arts, you know, a lot of martial art tournaments and stuff. But, so, yeah, I put all my efforts into being a DJ.

And then I met my girlfriend, who's now my boyfriend, who's now my wife and we had two children and then I was like, yeah, I don't think this is happening. Do you know what I mean? They were some pretty run-down venues in the northwest of England. You know what I mean?

We're not exactly talking excess at the win. This is not what we're talking about here, guys. That was the goal back then, but get to Vegas. I don't even know about that. Get to Ibiza, as you guys were said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and then when the kids came along, I was like, what am I doing?

with myself. And I was always getting into scraps, you know, on fights when I was a kid. I was that kind of guy. And then I actually went to prison. I got sent down for 28 days. And it was when I was sitting in the holding cell waiting to be assigned my cell, I was sitting and I was thinking, what is going on? What is, how have I ended up here? And I'm sitting in this holding cell and there's all drug addicts and dead beats around me. And they're like, they're coming up, yeah, what, weren't you in for me? You know, and I'm like, don't talk to me. Stay away. I'm not one of you.

And I thought to myself, I've got to make a change. And right then and that's when I kind of got my act together. And I'm actually grateful for that judge for doing that because I was just reckless and didn't really give a damn. How do we get in there? How do we get in there? How old were you? Just, just, I was fighting.

Yeah. How old were you? What was that? 22, 23, something like that. I was always getting fights. I'm from a small town. Everyone knows everyone's business. ever since I was a kid I was you know I was just that kind of kid I was always down for a

fire and I was young and I was reckless and I thought it was all fun and games you know what I mean I was very immature let's be honest you know so really was a wake-up calling it is what the prison system was supposed to be is like oh I need to snap out of it now it worked on me 100% yeah 100% yeah so I came out of there and never threw another punch on the street just decided to start doing it professionally but I didn't find it my way into mixed martial arts then because MMA wasn't really a thing. The UFC existed, but I wasn't a fan.

But then my old, to use an old term, Sensei, told me all about the explosion of something called mixed martial arts and the UFC and in Japan they had pride. And I didn't even know what it was.

I said, can you make money? And he said, listen, the champions are making great money. There are celebrities in America. They're getting into acting and all this kind of stuff. So he said this whole, he painted this whole picture. And I thought, that's what I want.

So I signed up for my first fight three months later, didn't even know what the sport was, got the knockout. Two years later, I was on the Ultimate Fire, won that, next minute. Here we are. Talking busing with the boys. That's right. Was that the big break was getting on the ultimate fighter? Oh, for sure.

Of course. You know, fighting on the regional scene, if you will. That's what they call it in the UK. I mean, I was the Cage Warriors champion. I was a Cage Race champion. I was the, what was it, any promotion that was in the UK, I was the champion of, as well as the super heavyweight kitboxing champion. I used to be a bit of a fat bastard.

So, yeah, I mean, so then they came to the UK looking for two guys to be on the ultimate fight to season three. And then we had these open auditions and had the auditions, all the other people in my weight class, I'd knock them all out. You know what I mean? So I was kind of confident that I was going to get it. And then, of course, I'm a loudmouth piece of shit as well. so you want a bit of drama.

So, yeah, there you go. How was the ultimate fighter structure then? Was everybody in the same house still? Was it kind of like a reality TV show to go with it as well? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And I loved it. I mean, come on, listen.

I've never been to America. They're going to fly me to America. I'm sitting in a big, beautiful mansion with a bunch of guys. We're getting paid to train and work out. And you walk in, I'm being coached by Tito Ortiz and Ken Chambrook and Dana White's there. I'm like, shit, this is it.

This is really happening. And a lot of people on the show, they were there for the 15 minutes of fame, you know, but I was there to kick some ass and win, you know, and fortunately with a bit of luck, that's what I was able to do. So when you go to, when you go to the UFC,

you said earlier you weren't really a fan of UFC, when did you become like this is, this organization is really good. And they put money in his pocket? Yeah, exactly. I was like, I was like, I'm not bad, actually. I like this.

Yeah. It wasn't that. America's a pretty good spot. I just didn't even really know it existed. I remember I was at, world championships in 1995 when I was 16 and we were staying in a youth hostel in Auckland and I remember in the kitchen in the youth hostel

they were all watching, I think it was like UFC 2 or 3 or something and I wasn't really interested. Not because I wasn't a fan, I was just, you know, I was a kid and whatever. And I was too busy going out with my friends and partying and stuff. But as soon as I knew there was a viable career option and I knew I was getting older and I'd been in trouble with the law

and I left school at 16. I was like, this is probably the only way I'm going to make something of my life, you know? Because I always sends, like, you know, getting on your lecturer as high horse, but everyone's good at something, everyone's got a skill. And I remember, I remember my supervisor at the time at work, I was working at this sofa factory just like making couches and stuff. And he said, what are you going to do for the rest of your life, Michael? He said, do you want to do this?

I said, no way. And he said, well, you know, you think about it because I walked into this factory 30 years. years ago and it's flown by like that he said you're still a young man so i started thinking i said what am i good at what am i good at and i've always been good at fighting i was always good at martial arts i was always in street fights i'm ashamed to say it now but i was you know i was i was very successful let's just put it like that without sounding like a prick um so i said to him i never forget i walked up to him one day i said mick mick i said i figured out what i'm going to do and he takes he's got his tool belt on.

He takes his two belts off and he walks over rubbing his hands. Come on, because he was kind of like a mentor. And he's like, okay, what's the plan? I said, I'm going to be a professional fighter. And he was like, oh my God.

I thought you were a smart kid. I'm like, no, no, no, just me. I know what I'm doing. So anyway, yeah, that was... Did you ever make the call back to him? Like, hey, I fucking did it. Funnily enough, I was Googling him last week because I was talking about this

to my wife about Mick Cillene. But no, no, I don't know. I don't know what happened to him. I hope he's alive. I hope he well. I don't think I had as much of an impact on him as he had on me. Yeah. It's funny.

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Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

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Isn't it, you know, these people come into your lives. It can make a big impression and they might not realize it. You know, like a teacher to a troubled high school kid or whatever, you know. Right. Yeah, yeah, there you go. You've had a lot of incredible fights. Like, what loss pisses you off? the most.

Oh, what loss? None of them, to be honest. None of them pissed me off. I mean, I'm 44 now, so, and I've been retired since 2018, so, you know, I don't spend, I don't keep myself up at night stewing over them, but what pissed me off? Which one had the most residual effect? Because it's been, yeah, times past. Yeah, yeah.

I don't, again, good question. I mean, the Vandaleigh-Silver fight was bullshit. I won that fight. I was robbed. Hell of yes. I love that. Nothing really makes me maddened, but the,

that was a bullshit fight. But now you're digging deep into the archives. You know, fuck Vandele. No, no. Yeah, so that one, I guess, because Vandale is a legend of the sport, and he was actually one of the guys

that when I started discovering what MMA was, I saw Vandale if I was, oh my God, this guy's amazing. Look at this guy, and I wanted to be like him. And then, so, to fight him was a big deal. You know, and I thought I won the fight, but whatever. It didn't go my way. Yeah, he had all the training videos where he's like training with the snorkel and shit, right?

Yeah, he did a lot of weird shit. He did a lot of steroids as well. You know, they're the ones, you know what I mean? The veto bell for one. Obviously, I lost an eyeball through that because he's a cheating piece of shit, you know? So I guess there's a few. Chale son can go fuck himself. He was on every performance enhancing drug under the,

the son, I love chale, he's cool. Yeah. He's a little, because he's mildy too. Like, I'm sure that one was like, God, I wish I could have fucking. It never did. Because we were both fighting on the same card, but we had different opponents. And then for whatever reason, it's a long story, somebody dropped out. So they rejiggled the card, and I was fighting chale.

And this was like 10 days before the fight. So we didn't really have time for anything to manifest or to brew. You know, there was no bad feelings couldn't, you know, arise. Like, before we knew it, we were in Chicago, we were stepping on the scale. Gotcha. And I remember I squared up to Chale on the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the wayings. Yeah. And, you know, you try and do your bit, like, you're getting his face and like, yeah.

Fucking dead. And all that type of stuff. Hey, but the action with that, you're so, like, you're fucking dead. You're such a head. I'm in there and I'm like, because I always used to give, not, not give him a head, but, but just like a little, you know, just a little touch, you know, because you're trying to insert your last minute dominance, you know, and Chale just said,

what colon are you wearing? You smell delightful. Oh, no shit. I threw you off big time. Yeah, I was like, son of a bitch. Yeah. You talk about these dudes, you taking PED, steroids, stuff like that.

Was it easy when you got your hands on guys to feel like, okay, you got something going on extra? Do you know what, to be honest? There's only one fight that I ever fell overpowered in, even though I know for a fact I fought a lot of guys that were using. Because for a while, there was to sell strong replacement therapy, which was legal. They were allowed to do that.

If you went to a doctor and the doctor signed off on it, there you go, boom, you were in. And I've never taken anything in my life. But even still, I guess Vito was like ridiculously powerful and explosive with his striking. But when we clinched up or anything, there's only one guy that I thought, who's called Matt Hamill,

that was a death fighter that warped my ass in round one. And I was like a little schoolboy with him. But he wasn't on steroids or anything like that. He was just a good old fashion foreign boy. Do you know what I mean? that, giving me a good old ass kicking. God bless him.

Was it just the testosterone, like the TRT that was like the issue? Like what, what, how was everybody, how were people able to access it so much? I have no idea. I have not,

I'm not an expert on that stuff, but it was rife. I know it was everyone, you know, everyone's aware of that because the drug testing back then was kind of like an IQ test. You know,

now we have, well, we had you Sada. We have another program now where they show randomly, they test you. And, you know,

it's very in depth and very safe. Back then, it was, and not all fights, the main event, maybe the co-main, you had to take a piss test after the fight. You know, so if you're smart enough, you know how to cycle it and get it out of your system.

But I was always so young and confident, I was like, I don't give a shit, I don't care, whatever, I'm going to get him anyway. Never thought about it? What, about taking anything? Right, like trying to dabble and figure out what age I could get in there. I remember when I was coming up in the UK,

you know, the UK scene back then was like the Wild West, trust me, like, you know, anyone involved in mixed, martial arts back then they were all gangsters and drug dealers and thugs and whatnot you know it wasn't the professional scene it is now let me tell you and there was a lot of people all taking steroids on my team and stuff like that but in my mind i was always like well number one i don't want to do that i don't need to do that but i'm going to the ufc i'm not here to be a tough guy in my hometown i'm going to the ufc and i don't want to test positive and get banned you know what

i mean so and of course ethically ethically of course you know that's a tough deal with the the ethically part. When everybody's doing it, it's got to be hard. Like, you think about baseball in the 90s. It's like, you watch a Lance Armstrong stuff, you know. And how do you keep it secret too? Like you know dudes are taking it and everyone's like, this guy's the best. Like that Lance Armstrong's showing documentary where you realize like literally every cyclist was on something.

Like he was just the guy who was like, you know. Yeah. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed. First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. People could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down in my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior. And that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself.

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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano and our podcast point game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you're undefeated, and this is the thing that you'll see like Elea Toporius fighting next week on UFC 298, and he is brimming with confidence. about knocking Volcanovsky out in one round and how it's not even going to be a fight because that's how you are when you're undefeated.

Like I was smoking everybody. I was knocking everyone out in the first round and, you know, I didn't really have a fight. And I was like, yeah, fuck him. You know, because when you're undefeated, you literally feel like no one on earth can beat you. And it's just what it does to you. And every time you compete and you win,

that is that mindset is further solidified. So I was like, well, knock yourself out. Give you your best shot, you know, until you start getting knocked out yourself. Then you start losing eyes and dribbling. Do you know what I mean? Start doing this, stumbling your words.

You're like, yeah. Does it change your game? Like when you first got an eye? Who was the first one to do you? Was it a sharp? Darren Henderson, UFC 100. So we coached the Ultimate Fighter. Passion.

Yeah. Passion in that. No, no, listen, fair play. Wrestler, wrestler. He was on testosterone replacement therapy. That's noted and in the books. It's true. I love it.

I know, I know. It's true. Yeah. No, no, God blessing me. got me good because we coached the ultimate fighter I talked a ton of shit because Dan Henderson's literally like watching paint dry so somebody had to make that show

exciting and interesting to watch and he's a bit of a prick so that made it easy so I talked a bit of shit as I do and it was skewed from the whole UK versus USA thing in 1776 and he was the good old fashioned hard working quite American boy that's going to come in

and fuck me up and that's exactly what he did. And that's what he did. My God! It was the biggest show the USC had ever done, and I got knocked out in the most spectacular fashion. And then he flies through the hours. I'm already unconscious and gives me another one. But good times.

Good times. You know what I mean? You learn lessons. It is what it is. What was it like winning the belt? The adrenaline when you were finally like on top. I mean, obviously, an incredible experience. When I won the belt, after I knock him out,

I jump on top of the cage. and I turn around and a point, I say, fuck you. But that wasn't really at Luke Rockhold. That was at everyone that wrote me off, everyone that talked shit, everyone that wrote articles in the media, everyone online that said he could never do it.

He's a good fighter, but he's not a great fighter. He's not championship material. And they always said that all along. And every time I got a win, they always said it was a fluke or whatever, you know? They didn't know how hard I was working. So that was that pure emotion coming out of there, and it wasn't directed at Luke.

poor guy, it was directed at all the naysayers of which there was many. Right. So it makes a great competitor. Yeah. Just trying to prove someone wrong. Taking everything personal one way or another. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Just being like, oh, they said this and me, I think it's the worst thing ever. Very emotionally immature. Yeah. When you're finally like getting out of the fighting ring and going into the media, like, was there ever a process for you where you've been a fighter your whole life, whether it's been professionally or non-professionally? And now you're going into something completely different.

Like, was there a piece of? of your identity that you're like, ah, I feel like I'm losing something of myself. No, not really, because honestly, I feel like that fighter version of myself, I guess if I, you know, he's still in there somewhere. But I'm a different guy these days completely, you know. I mean, I was, you know, it was definitely a personality flow when I was younger. I was always getting into fights. And that kind of became my identity, my badge of honor.

That's who it was. And when I was younger, that's kind of like how we ended up getting friends and being popular and hanging out with the cool guy. and stuff. So that only further reinforced it being this bad boy image, if you will. And then when I got to the UFC, you know, I guess again, it's making me money. It's making me famous or whatever. But now I'm sure I've grown up and I'm certainly not fighting anymore.

And that kind of version of me doesn't really exist anymore. And I don't find myself being combative at all. You know, I still work out. I still train every day. Like, for example, there's been two occasions recently where I have been assaulted in the streets and done nothing about it, full on, punched in the face. And I could,

I could have made mince me of these two assholes. Trust me. I was in New Orleans. I was in New Orleans. That's where it's got. That's where they get you. I was in New Orleans, and I'm walking down Bourbon Street.

I'd never been there before. Don't want to go back. Burm Street is a shithole. No offense. I got assaulted. I got assaulted. Do you know what I mean? And then I'm with my wife

and there's a bunch of young guys that playing on their upside, down buckets, right, and playing drums and stuff. So I'm doing a little touristy thing. I'm filming, a little Instagram stories. Guy gets in my face is like, you can't film. I'm like, yeah, I can. It's a, it's a public place.

And I carry on film. He says, you're going to tell you again. You can't film. I'm like, yes, I fucking can. And I carry on film it. And he gets right in my face. I said, suck my fucking dick. And he just goes, fair play to him.

Fair play, fair play. You know what I mean? I said, suck my fucking dick. And he just went, boom. and punched me. I was there with my wife and my youngest son what was he like 10 at the time or something.

But the punch was so pathetic. It literally, my reaction, I laughed my head off. That's what disrespectful to shit ever. This is not me trying to sound tough. It literally was like, ding.

Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking, I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little

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Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And I said, what was that? I said, did you just punch me in the face? I said, is that? I said, you come up. You talk, all that shit.

and you punch me in the face. And that is what you have to offer. I said, come on. Adam was laughing my head off. So we just walked away. What did he do? Because he had to swing and kind of get ready. So I have a YouTube channel.

My most watch video is because I do a podcast as well. And this guy put a video out because he found out who I was afterwards. So I took his footage and used it, integrated it onto my video. It's my most watched video. But his version of events is exactly the same as mine. It's exactly the same. He didn't lie. Do you know what I mean?

He says, how he left to myself. Yeah, he told him to stop him, and he wouldn't film. So he, like, told me to sock his dick. So I punched him in the face. I'm like, see, I told you. You know what I mean? And then recently, I've never spoken about this before. I was back home in Clitherall, where I'm from.

And I was at dinner with my mom, who's almost 80 years old. She can't walk. She's on crutches. And with my sister, she's got a newborn baby. It's a beautiful summer's night. It's about 12 of us. A very nice family atmosphere. It's like 5.30 p.m.

And I'm sitting there. And these guys walk in, I say guys, they're like 60 years old. Old drunk bombs walking, hammered drunk. And one of them just walks over to me, he says, you don't remember me, do you? And like, whenever I go back, there's always old faces that I can't remember the names.

Well, hello, good to see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can't. I said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, good to see you. You don't remember, do you? I said, oh, well, I don't remember your name, but yeah, you're face. is familiar. He says, no, let me give you a reminder. And I've got a scar between my eyes

where I got a big metal stool smashed in my head when I was about 17 and then 20 guys jumped on my head. He says, look at that, you know that scar between your eyes? I did that. I said, right. I said, I think you need to walk away. So he goes away and they sit down the other side of the restaurant and it comes to the end of the night. I'm paying the bill and I'm standing by the front door and then they walk past again and they start talking more shit. I said, what are you doing? I said, I'm here. I don't know who you are. I don't remember it. This was 1997, by the way.

Do you know what I mean? We've all moved on with our lives. And you'd at least know what you became. Well, he did. That's what he's doing it. So anyway, as I'm talking to one guy, the other guy sucker punches me. And he has a ring gun.

Explodes my nose. Do you know what I mean? And then as he hits me, he falls on the floor, right? And they just hammered drunk and I'm standing there and I'm just like, oh, God, I could fuck you up so easily right now. But I just didn't do anything.

didn't do anything, right? Because I'm not doing that. I'm not lowering myself to do that. I'm not coming back to my hometown where I used to always be getting in fights and they say, he's, oh, Michael Bisby's back. He's only been back two minutes. He's already getting into fights.

Do you know what I mean? I'm not perpetuating. You know, I know who this guy is. Because I was not just that. I'm not that guy anymore. That was the whole point of this. I'm not that guy anymore, you know. When in your mind did it shift that I'm not going to be that guy anymore?

I'm not that guy anymore. No, no, when I was in prison. But still, when I was fighting and I was younger. Yeah, yeah. But when I retired, because I see myself back on old, like, old promos and stuff. And I'm like, oh, God. He's that guy. Who's that guy?

Do you know what I mean? I'm like, Jesus Christ. So how did your mom react to that? Well, they couldn't believe it. I walked in it and my nose was all bloody. And they were like, what has just happened? You're only paying the bill. Drama follows you everywhere.

Yeah, yeah. No, my mom's. She's seen it before. Yeah. She's seen it before. When you retired, was there a thought of you, was there a part of you that's like, I want to retire, but I want to go out with a win. I want to go out on top.

Not on top, but I want to go out with a win. Absolutely. Of course, yeah. Because I was going to fight again as well against Richard Evans. We were going to have a rematch. But for one reason or another, it never happened. And then an old friend of mine said to me as well, he said, Michael, what are you doing? And I said, well, and then my manager, Ordi, as well, and then my manager,

Well, there was a few people. I said, well, I want to go back to London. I want to fight the O2 Arena one last time. And I want to thank the audience. And I want to have that moment where you take your gloves off and you put it down and you thank the crowd. And thank you for all the support over the years and all the rest of it. And it was already actually. My manager is like, yeah, but you're romancing that in your head.

You know, he said, you've got one eye. You want to go blind. You want to risk going blind. Because the fight before that, when I fought Galvin Gastelam, Because every time, because I used to cheat the tests, okay, they're not that hard to cheat. If you're a little scallywag like I was growing up, they're not that hard to cheat, right? But the doctors used to always say, you know, you've been very, you know, risky, still fighting. Because if anything happens to you, a good eye, you know, you could go blind.

I was like, yeah, it's fine. And I was like, well, Liny's not going to strike twice. That was my logic, right? It's already happened in one eye. The odds of that happening on the second eye. is minimal. It's not going to happen. Well, when I got knocked out in China, afterwards, we went to a nightclub

and we're sitting in there, and my eyes just kept going. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come?

come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves. to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers,

why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Flash. Every time I look left, it would give a flash. And I thought, oh, my God, because I remember the symptoms when I had the detached retina at the first time. So that was why, you know, I kind of wasn't going to fight again.

But then I wanted that send off, you know what I mean? And he reminded me that I said, what are you doing? You want to go blind? He said, for what? Some idea, some theory that you've got in your mind, this whole big romantic send-off. He said, you're being stupid. I thought, you know what? You're absolutely right.

Do you have any more? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a cheeky question, kind of bullshit question that you just go on clip or whatever. But I've seen how the UFC is today. If you were picking out fighters, if you were in your prime again, who are the guys that you would love to take a crack at? Fighters right now today? Yeah. Well, I used to train with him a lot.

Sean Strickland would be easy work. Israel had a sonya. I'm joking, by the way. Sean Strickland, Israel had a sonia, Driggis Duplessi. Who else is in the top five? Give me all of those. Do you know what I wouldn't want to go at?

Who? Tom Aspenol. Fog that. What is that? Have you seen the size of him? I know you're a big boy. I'm telling you. Whoever wins that fight between Jones and Steepay,

they should retire because they're going to get their ass warped. Simple as that. And I love Jones and I love steep air and I've got so much respect. Look at what he did to Sergey Pavlovich. And I was saying this coming into this fight and DC was like, what are you doing?

What are you talking about? You know, he's like, you're kissing this guy's ass. I'm like, no, I'm basing this of what I see. And he went out and he did it again. And I don't see anybody stopping him. With all these fight leagues coming about, Do you think any other league has a shot to compete with the UFC at any point? Probably not.

You know, there's always new iterations. There's always people who want to come up and do things differently and change the rules and tweet this and that. You know, I don't think so. I mean, it's the household name. You know, it's like, I don't know much about football. You got the NFL, what, the XFL? Is that ever going to come?

That's really competing. But I know, like, what is it called the PFL? You got the PFL? Yeah, I mean, you have a CFL, PFL, No, about UFO. UFO for the fight. There's an FL and everything, or the FC, or the... Whoops.

You know, no, no. Not because... Based on like the fighter pay and the... Well, no, what happens from my knowledge is that they try and poach away the UFC fights by paying them exorbitant amounts of money. They're not necessarily worth sometimes. But in the UFC, there's no better place. If you can become champion and you get pay-per-view points,

that's where you're going to make the most money, you know? And I always get accused of being a company man. Well, I am a company man. And I'm proud to be so. It changed my life. You know, it changed my life 100%. And you'll notice that the people making good money, the creme de la creme, the people at the top,

they're not bitching. They're not complaining because the money's there. You know, I mean, look at Connor McGregor for crying out loud. And granted, he's like, you know, he's kind of like a unicorn, if you will. But there's plenty of other people that are making very, very good livings. Who do you like Chandler McGregor? probably Chandler let's be honest you know McGregor's he's been out it'll be almost four years by then he's made so much money and the motivation probably isn't there you know and he likes the party

yeah and why not God bless him yeah yeah yeah enjoy yourself he's done it he come in he changed the game won the belt made the money well we're boys with Mike it's going to be good to hear that yeah no no I of course you are yeah no I love Chandler as well listen um What else has McGregor got to prove? The only reason he still wants to fight is because you can have all the money in the world, but you can't buy a championship in the UFC. And as all fighters, we operate on ego,

and we want to say we're the best, we're the top. And it goes back to, as I was saying before, about me always getting in fights. I wanted to be the baddest motherfucker around. I wanted to be the toughest guy. And it's the same shit. It's the same schoolyard stuff that we're all fucking doing, but we're professional fighters.

They want to be the tough. and the hardest and the baddest guy. And McGregor wants that. And he's trying to prove that he still is. You know, that's why you're coming back and he wants respect from the fight community. And the only way you get that is by fighting. You can't buy that.

So fair play to him for still trying. You know what I mean? But he doesn't need to. Yeah. Michael, man, thank you for coming on. This has been all right. His team is all time. Your career.

In here, energy was high. His career is not after it. There's a reason why you're successful in media. I'm quite tired. As far as YouTube show, everything, where can we find your stuff? I don't really like to do that because it's just cringe. I've cut myself out.

But, you know, just checking out, Google it. I'm not doing it. Anytime I know, guys, you can find me on the, you know, nah, I'm not doing it. Fucking Google it. You know, you know, you know he's been in front of camera. I'm like, Michael's Bizbing show, subscribe. Make sure you're subscribed.

I'm too cool for school. The Believe You Me podcast and just, just Google it. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, bro. I appreciate you, brother. All right, guys, thank you very much. That was awesome.

Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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