Bussin' With The Boys - Best of the Bus: Peyton Manning On Facing Tom Brady & His Greatest NFL Memories

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

Recorded: August 26, 2024 | In this Best of the Bus episode, the boys landed a true White Whale of a guest — the one and only Peyton Manning. Peyton invited Will and Taylor to his Knoxville bar, Saloon 16, to sit down for an interview in what could only be described as a “Peyton Manning Museum” of a room. Everywhere you looked on the walls, there was a legendary moment from the two-time Super Bowl champion’s career. Peyton opened up about growing up as a Manning and the advice and wisdom his father, Archie, passed down to him. He reflected on his decision to attend Tennessee over Ole Miss, how he approached leadership through the lens of his father and other mentors, and what life had been like after stepping away from the game. The boys also touched on Peyton’s work in the sports media world, with Omaha Productions making huge moves in digital and broadcast content. His hit show, The Manning Cast, which he co-hosts with his brother Eli, had become a Monday night staple, and Peyton was looking to build on that success. Of course, Will and Taylor kept things light, digging into Peyton’s rumored history of pulling epic team pranks over the years — and even questioning if Eli might be the real “King of Pranks” in the Manning household. From Knoxville to Denver to Indy, Peyton left every city better than he found it, both with his on-field greatness and his humility off it. Looking back on his stat sheet, awards, and iconic moments, it’s easy to see why so many around the world considered him one of the greatest of all time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Boys, on this Best of the Bus episode, The Sheriff himself, Peyton Manning, invited us down to Saloon 16 in Knoxville for an all-timer. We got to talk about what it was like growing up of Manning, why he chose Tennessee over Ole Miss, and how Archie helped shape his view of leadership. Payton also gives some insight in his life after football, building Omaha Productions,

and turning the Manning cast into a much-watch TV. And yes, if you are wondering, we get into the prank wars between him and his brother Eli. Boy, this one's special. Tap in, enjoy the ride. Let's have a good day. And while you're here, subscribe on Subscriber, re-subscribe. One of our biggest guests we've ever had.

No question about it. Maybe the biggest, although Dale Earnhardt, Jr. That was a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. Love Jr. But Peyton Manning, welcome to Bustin with the Bull. Hey, thank y'all. Thank you all for having me.

Appreciate that. Honored. Very honored. Kick us off, brother. Walking in this room, like, honestly, it's a rhetorical question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Did you ever think that you would leave a legacy like this? Because, like, you come from a football family. Like, you're growing up, you have all the footage where you're playing in the backyard.

Stuff that, like, when I'm young, and I'm watching you get, and your brother get talked about in Archie, to where you see all the footage, and you just know that little kid and you, that loves the game so much and making such an impact that you've made on this game. Like, do you ever just sit there and, like, try to take a moment to take it in? I'm very grateful and honored for the teams and organizations that I was a part of, but I cherish my four years here at Tennessee. And, no, I mean, you have no idea that you're going to have this connection and relationship with the university 30 years after I came here back in 1994.

But I love coming back. I stayed four years in college will. I think people here in Knoxville and Tennessee probably remember that more than anything, more than a throw or a touchdown that I turned the NFL down for a year to stay one more year in college, which spoke a lot about how much I love the university in the whole school and the whole place in order to stay here. So it's fun to come back. I love coming back to games. And, yeah, this place, after I got drafted by the Colts, I was moving out of my college apartment,

My mom came up and basically we moved all of my college stuff, just put them into a, like a storage unit. And just, it's been sitting here for like 20 years and opened this kind of hotel bar. And I said, I got a bunch of, my mom kind of thinks it's junk. It's in this storage unit. Yeah. Y'all can dig in there. So they went. I said all this stuff is.

That's what my mom thought of this stuff. It was all basically garbage. But anyway, it's fun to come back. That's awesome. With choosing Tennessee, like your old man obviously went to Ole Miss. What was your recruiting process like way back in 94? Yeah, that was hard. I mean, for years, Taylor, I thought Ole Miss was the only school that ever existed, right?

I grew up in New Orleans, of course, you know, LSU was probably the top school in the state. But Ole Miss were the games we went to on the weekends, and then all of a sudden, you're a junior in high school, and you start getting recruited by other schools. And I really didn't know how serious it was up until I got my first handwritten letter from Bobby Bowden at Florida State. And I guess I'd heard enough about recruiting. There was a lot of form letters, the type letters, but you got a handwritten letter. I mean, I checked it. It smeared.

I mean, it was legitimate handwritten letter by Bobby Bowden. I was like, okay, I figure if he's writing me a handwritten letter telling me he's going to recruit me. Maybe there are some other schools out there that are interested. And that's when I started kind of looking around, I guess opening my eyes up a little bit. And had a great visit here to Tennessee. It was snowing. Didn't get to really see the stadium in. It's glorious view, but met a lot of good people.

And my brother Cooper went to Ole Miss on scholarship, Taylor, had a neck injury, had to stop playing. And he was in the right school for him if football didn't work out. And that's kind of when I said, that's really how you should choose a school. If I get hurt the first day, but I'd be happy in the school. And that's kind of how I felt about here at Tennessee. So, and my dad, I give him credit, if he would have said, son, you're going to Ole Miss. That's the end of the story. That would have been it.

I would have said, yes, sir, Dad. He said you're 18 years old, you're old enough to make your own decision. I'll support you wherever you go. And he caught a lot of flack from old miss people. How could you not, you know, make your son go to your school? You know, you've kind of let us down. It was, I think I know he was disappointed in a lot. Of course, when Eli went to Ole Miss, everybody made up.

It was all good. We're all good. But I respect my dad for letting me make that decision. And, you know, I think when you make those decisions, it's kind of, you kind of make the right decision after the fact by just going all in and not looking back. And so it was a hard decision, but I appreciate my parents kind of supporting me in it. Man, I feel like if he was my boy, he'd be. He's a cornhusk no matter what.

Not to mention he did come back a senior year and ultimately the season didn't go. It didn't end the way you wanted it to. Well, look. Was it, Nebraska? Yeah, I forgot about that game. There's no, there's none of those pictures in here, Will. It's not just because you're here. Yeah.

when you come back, I mean, you sign up for all of it, right? I mean, you sign up for it to be glorious and to go undefeated and all that. Obviously, if I already gotten injured, you know, I was okay with that. I just, I felt like I'd rush my first three years in college. I was always running the class, running to do interviews. And I don't want to be my age now, 40 years old and kind of wondering, what was college even? I don't remember anything about college. My senior year, I slowed down.

I'd already graduated. I got more mentally stronger. My rookie year with the Colts was a struggle, right? We only won 3 and 13, 28 picks. I don't think I would have handled that had I not stayed four years in college, right? That's the kind of season that can kind of break you. But I kind of said, you know, I'm actually doing some decent things. We're not winning any games.

And we went 13 and 3 in my second year. I gave all that credit to staying four years in college. And so it was the right decision for me. Now, did you come to that decision on your own? Or was that sitting down and talking to your day? dad talking to people you love me and like what should I do? Yeah it's funny it's a great question because my dad was always one of those guys that said hey ask some different people some questions like call some people that have had this decision so he kind of formed a list and I guess he I don't know how

like somehow he helped me get some phone numbers so I called Troy Aitman who stayed four years in college he said he really wanted to be the first pick in the draft that was important to him and he was Drew Bledso left as a junior he said he knew he was going to be the first pick in the draft as a junior and he was like, I'm ready to go. I'm a totally name drop here. I talked to Michael Jordan, who came out as a junior. That's a good name drop. That's a good name drop.

Yeah, and he just said, look, I thought I was ready. And so I guess I came away with it, that it truly has to be your decision of what you really want. And I probably would have been the first pick as a junior. The Jets had the first pick. It's interesting to see how things would have turned out. Parcells was the head coach, Belichick was the de-coordinator. Does he end up coaching the Patriots and Brady? Who knows?

The butterfly effect. I just, it was the right decision for me. So eventually you kind of gather information. You sort of had the old yellow notepad out with the pluses and minuses. You look at them. You know, it's kind of 50-50 either way. You make a decision. You pray about it and then you go with it.

And so ended up working out for me. Your first year you alluded to with the, is it still the record? Yeah. Which is amazing with 17 games now. Yeah. The 17 games. I mean, Mahomes is breaking every other. other record. Why can't we break that record? Right. Right. How do you keep... The problem is when they

struggle early with picks, they take them out, leave them in there. Let them learn. Right? Yeah. I'm with you. Jeez. I'm over it, but... Oh, record's a record. You sound like you're really at peace with it. Eli would have broken it easily. He only started six games. That is true. That's a great point. I'm like, no, no, put them in there. This is my top. I got a good chance this year. We got, we got several... He said I got a good chance this year. I mean, is May going to get the starting job? I mean, I don't want Knicks to do it in Denver, obviously. But if he did do it, it'd be like, well, that's like a go, it's like a win. As long as he got better than next year, right, yes.

He got out of the next year. Right. Yeah. So. You know you'll be the first phone call for that rookie. He does do it. Just be, I keep your end in it. You got to say whoever beats you got to send a handwritten letter to.

You got to be a 16, 17 game starter. So yeah. Put all these guys in there now. Kind of like, as competitors, when you start to, when you have an up and down you're like that. And then you're three and 13. You're like the, you were the first round pick. And you do set the record for,

interceptions, like the mental fortitude on trying to keep the noise out of your head going into that next year. Because I'm just, I was obviously young then, but now thinking about it, if a rookie quarterback is breaking that record, they're just getting drug across the mud. It was, look, it was tough. And I think, look, playing in Indianapolis probably would have been different had I been with the Jets. If I would have been with the Jets and, A, Parcells would have benched me way before the 16th game. But I don't know, maybe somewhere Indianapolis at the time being a smaller market. Maybe that helped me a little bit. So it was bad. You know, we were playing on the CBS, you know, E broadcast team every weekend. There was no Madden. There was no Nance or

or Summerall or Phil Sims coming to Indy. You know, no Monday night TV. So, but yeah, look, it's the kind of season that can sort of can kind of make or break you, right? And I just, we actually were in some games. You know, everybody. Nobody, like nobody was getting up to play us, right? We played the Niners that year. Steve Young, Jay Rice. We played the Jets who went to the AFC championship. You know, they had us as a circled win.

So we actually had some actually fairly close games. We'd blow it in the end. But that's what I kind of went off of. I'm like, I think I actually can do this if I just don't throw three interceptions in the first half. So it didn't break me. And my coaches, Jim Mori, I had a tough coach, but he was loyal. He stuck with me. He said, hey, stay in there.

keep learning. We're going to fight through this thing. And sure enough, we did. I'm not sure if it's been, but at the time it was the biggest turnaround in history from 3 and 13 to 13 and 3. There's no way I'd do that if I don't play all those games as a rookie. So I tell all these college quarterbacks,

we were talking earlier about that camp that we have. And I tell all these guys, it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. Don't let a couple of bad seasons break you, right? Just keep learning from it and keep getting better. Yeah. now this is kind of just hey how cool is that nickname and also like how long did it take the stick because sheriff unless you're writing a movie there's no cooler nickname to be bestowed on

somebody i uh you know i i never ever once if you ever hear me referring to myself as this sheriff shoot me please yeah to shoot officer of the wrong one there's no chance i've never once texted yeah yeah hey you know sheriff will be there three o'clock you know please uh my brother's would have have their way with me. Yeah, Gruden, what was his expression? You know, when Peyton comes to town, he lays down the law and he always gets his man. He finds who he's wanting to get,

and he gets his man. Wyatt herb type stuff. I love Gruden, and he was a great broadcaster. It was fun. So I, um, you love the nickname. You love the nickname. It's okay.

It's the best nickname. I wave. I respond to it. Yeah. People never call me Peyton. They'd say, Omaha or sheriff. You can wave and you keep going.

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There's this legend of Peyton Manning. I've had some teammates that played with you, and they would say, they would tell stories like, if a tight end dropped a pass and then you get him off the field. And then if a coach tries to get him back on the field, you're like, no, no, no, he's got to stay on the sideline. Whether it was that, whether it was like that or not, when do you feel like you started to, like, how? have that confidence in you to take over like that. Yeah, I mean, certainly not early on, not coming off a tough rookie season. And I think the number one thing that you want to do as an NFL player, you guys know this,

is try to earn the respect of your teammates, right? And when you're 22 years old as a quarterback, you got 37, 38-year-old grown adults in that huddle with you. My first game in college here at Tennessee, I went into the huddle. I was a freshman. You know, I kind of had this pre-planned speech for my first game. Nice.

I know I'm just a freshman. Let's go down the field. in school or big left tackles like shut the F up and call the effing play. And it was the most, it was like the best thing that ever happened to me because college, high school NFL, they don't want to hear that. They want to see you take a hit. They want to see you take responsibility for holding the ball too long, right, and not blaming, you know, the receivers or O-Liamen.

So that's what I wanted to do when I got to the NFL. So, yeah, it took, you know, years before that. I never kicked the guy out for dropping the ball. I would kick a guy out if he made a mental error. Like if he jumped off sides and maybe did it twice. Get him out of here. The one that is, we were playing in the Ravens one time. And this guy jumped off sides to start the series.

All we had to do was get one first down. We were going to run the clock out. He jumped off sides on the first play. And sure enough, we don't get the first down. We punt to Ed Reed, who's, you know, remember what our electric he was. Yeah. And somehow we end up stopping them and we win the game. So now we're going to take the knee.

We have the ball with 12 seconds. We're going to take the knee. So the guy that jumped off sides is in the huddle to take the knee. And I said, get out. And he's like, he's like, what? We're just taking the knee. I was like, yeah, get out. And so he ran out.

We had to substitute, bring somebody in just to take the knee. And he said his dad asked him after the game. He's like, why did you have to go out to take the knee? He's like, I don't want to talk about it, dad. Killed his player performance today here. So, you know, like I said, but it was all, I was hard on myself. People could, I probably cussed myself more in practice than I did anybody else. So I think people knew that I was hard on myself.

And so when I was hard on then, it was fair, right? And I hope, you know, my teammates felt that way that it was all about just trying to win. Let's try to do it together. I never, ever wanted to embarrass anyone. This was a rookie receiver. I'm not going to mention his name on the podcast. He may live in Nashville. So he knows who.

he is, but that was kind of a one-off, if you will. Oh, that is funny. Dude, we had, we literally had, earlier this morning, we had Will Levis on, and Will Levis is talking about working himself into a leadership role and how that looks for him. At what point in your career did you know, okay, I can start telling these guys, point-blank, this is how I feel, as opposed to kind of like beating around the bush. Yeah, it's a great question, because it's a feel, Taylor. I think you got to do some things first, right?

I think he got to lead a two-minute drill. game Will had against the dolphins, right, last year. That was a good thing, right? I think he can bank that one and that earns you some stripes. So you love to have some continuity, certainly, you know, leading a team to the playoffs for winning a division or beating a team that you're not supposed to. Just those kind of things where you just sort of kind of check some boxes. That's how it was for me. I didn't say a whole lot in my rookie year. I just wanted to earn their respect. And, you know, I had a two-minute drive to beat the Jets that year, and I was excited, but, you know, I just don't think veteran players, you guys know, and they don't want to hear young players,

you know, bark in orders until they truly have earned their respect. I think that's a process that takes a little time, but I like what Will did last year. You know, he's tougher than nails. He stands in the pocket. He runs. I like him to slide a little more, right? Just to stay healthy. Look, that's hard because I never could run.

I never had the option. But these guys that can run, as you know, you still want to be there all 17 weeks. And so I'm pulling for him. I like Brian Callahan. He was an assistant coach with me in Denver. I think that could be a good head coach quarterback combo. How everybody talks about the Manning Brady rivalry. When you were in it, how real was that in your mind personally?

Like if you, after a game, are you searching to see how he did? Like, what was that rivalry like? Yeah, I mean, you always just knew, right? There's no Tom Brady. You always knew that the Patriots had won. I mean, I guess when it really started, we played him in the regular season so many times. And if we lost to them, you just knew we're going to have to go play that New England in the playoffs. And we lost to them week one one time.

I'm like, we're coming back here in January. And so you just knew they were going to be there. They were so consistent. Look, it was Tom, it was Belichick, it was. It was the whole thing, right? It was just this kind of this triple-headed monster. So when you played them, yeah, you knew you had to be on your game. You knew their defense was going to be stingy.

You know, they always spell a check, you know, kind of the easiest way to describe them. You always took away the things you really like to do, so you had to find something else to kind of do well that game. And then Tom was going to be on his game, so you had to score some points. But, you know, major respect to everybody during that era. Yeah. We were, you were mentioning in your last answer about how you feel like you, Corvents just need to do something a little bit.

Now, I fumbled a big question when we had a rich eyes on the podcast because my dad told me something as a kid. And my dad told me this as well, but I was told that when you first got in the NFL, you didn't want to do any marketing stuff until you kind of proved it a little bit. Is that true? Yeah, that is true. I just didn't, which people would laugh at now, it's like, you know, you do so many commercials, Peyton, I can't believe there actually was a time when you didn't do anything.

But, yeah, I think there's something to that about just kind of earning your stripes a little bit and make that the incentives, right? To go win some games and then, man, some things are going to come your way when you do it. But not just because you got drafted or whatnot, you know, to go and earn it. And that's, look, those days are probably out the window now because of what's happening now in college, right? Right. But, yeah, I remember the first real commercial that I did was kind of in my second year. in the NFL. We'd had a good season.

So I felt like I'd kind of maybe earn some stripes. I did a Gatorade commercial with Michael Jordan. Another name drop again. Same name drop. All back around. But I can tell you where I was on the totem pole. I never knew what a double was for a commercial. Michael Jordan had this double, the guy that looked kind of like him,

that just made a ton of money, you know, fill it in for Mike on some of the commercials that he did. So I got there and they said, hey, your double is going to be standing in for you. I'm like, oh, I've got a double. This is big. Can't wait to see him. And they said, you're, your hair's a little longer than the double. Do you mind if we give you a little haircut to match the double?

And I was like, is that how it's supposed to work? Like, would you tell Michael to shave his mustache to match his double? Something tells me. I was pretty low in the totem pole. Yeah, look, it's still kind of my advice to rookies is, man, just go earn it. You go do it. Like the team's going to try to promote you. And the marketing team's going to want you to go.

meet every sponsor. I get that. There's excitement. It really wasn't me as much, Taylor, as much as the Colts organization. I had a great general manager in Bill Pulley and who just said, hey, let this guy play football first before you kind of start trying to use and to promote the team and whatnot. And that really helped me just kind of concentrate on football. With your nephew, has he kind of taken that same approach? That was kind of what my advice was, look, he's my nephew. He reaches out to me, you know, for questions, but his dad's been around the block. You know, Cooper's giving him great advice. And I think he wants to pull. he wants to establish himself first.

And, you know, obviously, I think they got a good team this year. I'm a big fan of Quinn. I've gotten to know him. He comes down to where I can't. The two of them get along great. So I'm proud of him for staying there. Most kids probably transfer in that setting, but he stayed there. He likes playing for Sark.

He likes the system. And when he does get in there, he's going to benefit from kind of having a little continuity in the system. Yeah. I know there's my third one in a row. Oh, you're good. Your nephew obviously calls you a lot. and I know you and Eli have a big rivalry.

Who do you think he calls more? It's funny. You know, like these 19, 20-year-olds, I mean, the text response rate is not super high, right? It's not a great completion percentage. So I don't, I kind of let him reach out to me if he has a question. He came to Denver a couple years ago. We worked out. That was fun.

And he will every now and then text me with a question about, hey, a two-minute drill. This is what happened in practice today. And I'm sure as soon as he texts me the question, he regrets it. Because you can't answer a question about a two-minute drill with a text back. Especially with the phone you use. You have to go to the voice memo. We have to. And it can't be just one.

So you bang them back with a seven-minute voice memo response about the two-minute, about what the defense is doing and the plays that you like. You've got to go to your staples. Yeah. It plays that you like. And you finish it. And you're like, I don't even mention. the fact that a defense after a timeout will probably come with an exotic blitz.

So you better call a max protection coming out of the timeout. And then you finish that one, that's about a six-minuteer. And you're like, well, but I totally even, you know, forgot about the red zone. Yeah. And so three voice memos later. Send me a video back. He's probably calling Eli Moore as part of the answer. Who do you think the favorite uncle is?

So I don't know if he has one. Okay. If he did. If he did. I don't know. I mean, I haven't really seen Eli. I mean, Eli's a good uncle to my kids.

He is. He calls him, he's got nicknames for all of them, you know, for the kids. So I'd say we're probably pretty equal. Okay. You talk about two minute. And then there's so much poetry. When you watch a good two-minute drill, a quarterback go down the field and just pick a part of defense all the way through.

It's truly something beautiful. Is there one two-minute drive that sticks out in your mind where you're like, you essentially played chess while the defense is playing checkers? I mean, I mentioned this one against the Jets, my rookie year. Belichick's the D-Corpsator. Parcells is the head coach. They go to the AFC championship. So I don't know.

We had a fourth and 18, which is that you have them right where you want them, right? It's an ideal situation. And so it was fourth and 13, and Belichick went all out blitz. And so we are not ready for it. We're going to get sacked, whatever. We had a false start. So that takes it to fourth. 18. So now that's always the chess game. Does the defensive coordinator do the same blitz on the next play?

Or since he showed his hand, he's going to do something different. So we, of course, the two and 12 Colts go, well, he's definitely going to show the same blitz again. So we keep eight guys in the block, send like one guy out on the route. And what does Belichick do? Drop eight guys into coverage. There's nobody open. And me, like by the book quarterback, hey, if nobody's open, and throw your checkdown. Probably not what you're supposed to do on fourth and 18. Yeah, right? But coach, I was listening.

I was taking notes and I throw this checkdown to Marshall Falk and he breaks seven tackles and gets the first down. And then we go down the rest of the way and throw a game winning touchdown. So I always remember that one. But yeah, the two-minute drill, my advice to quarterbacks, the pressure's on the defense. They have the lead. It really ought to be a time for a quarterback to kind of free up a little bit, right?

and let me the defense get tight, right? Hey, we can't give up this lead. Hey, let's better not blitz them. We're going to give a man to man. And so you want to try to kind of lean into that a little bit. But it means you've screwed up in the first three and a half quarters to get to that point as a quarterback. So it's your chance to get out of a bad jam. But hopefully you can play a little free in that situation because nobody really expects you to come back.

And maybe you can surprise the crowd. Yeah. What coordinator gave you the most problems? Patriots, Belichick, Rex Ryan was tough. You know, he just did things that didn't make sense to me. I'm like, there's no way he can bring that guy. And he would, I was always looking when I watch the defense, Will, okay, you know, they're never going to bring the Will linebacker and the strong safety. So we can eliminate that.

And then you watch the Jets or the Ravens game against the Bills, and they bring that exact blitz. And I'm like, dang. You know, and so I had a lot of sleepless nights getting ready to play against his teams. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember

I think it was on a call about what we should call it and... Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We've talked about you getting on other guys And a lot of times when the quarterback Especially an established quarterback speaks up As an offensive lineman, you don't say a fucking word You just sit there, you take it And maybe in the locker room

And say, hey, maybe please don't yell at me In front of everybody like that next time But there was one situation When you were at the Colts Jeff Saturday Yelling about running the ball Which is every offensive lineman's dream If you could just run heavy the whole game

The pressure's off, you can bruise it And you walk over there And this is just, I'm from an offensive line perspective. You come over there getting Jeff and then you got four or five of money. Totally out, man. And you give them the whole. Hey, listen, it's not that big of a deal. Something big of a deal.

Calm now. It's cool. It's cool. What was that situation? Yeah, I mean, we were all frustrated. We had this great drive to get down there. And we called a run play. You remember those days, we were a one-back offense.

We never had a full-back. So the rules were if the defense just put too many guys in there, you got out of the run, you threw a quick slant or a fade to Marvin or Reggie. And so the Rams, they went to a crowded line of scrimmage on first down and second down. So we threw through incomplete. And we had run the ball all the way down to that point. And now on third down, it's third and goal from the seven you throw again.

So we go three straight incomplete. I'm frustrated, but the line definitely is frustrated. So we're coming off the sideline. I could just hear them over there talking to the line. Chirping away. chirping away. He's barely hearing what he's...

Loud enough so you can hear. Yeah. I don't know exactly what he's saying, but I know what he's talking about. And you're just sitting there breathing. And finally, I just go over there. And as soon as I get over there, I'm like, this is a bad move.

Lions stand up. Oh, my God. And they all stand up. I got no backup. You know, Stokely's going the other way to the DB side of the bench. And so, yeah, I was miced up at the time. And so that lives on forever.

But Jeff was my roommate on the road. our lockers were next to each other. My locker in the Coast locker room was right in between the offensive lineman. You know, a lot of times there's the quarterback section, right. The receiver section, I put it right in between the five-starting offensive lineman because those are the guys never protecting you.

Those are the guys who were talking all the time about checks and audibles. I wanted them to kind of know what I was going to audible too. I didn't want them to be surprised. And so we'd sit by each other on the plane rides. But, yeah, that one certainly lives on. lives on forever. You guys, I'm sorry. I was going to talk about when it's all coming to an end, like your mortality, obviously

you go out with a Super Bowl, but you had the neck injury, you had the, you know, you had the things going on physically to where you're throwing for like north of 50 touchdowns, you're around 40 touchdowns, and then that last year, you kind of know that it's your last year going out. Like, what was it like for you when that mortality started to set in? Like, damn, this game isn't forever, even though I've played what felt like forever. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I mean, I, I, I think you just kind of know, at least for me, when certain throws that you used to always make,

that you just don't make them anymore and the ball's not going where it's supposed to, you just sort of kind of go, hmm, that's different. And so you sort of accept it. And so I think somewhere in my last season, I kind of knew it was going to be my last season. but Derek Jeter, I'm just on a name-dropping roll here, boys. Putting good names out there. He announced his decision to retire before his last season, and he told me that he regretted that

because the whole season was a tribute to Derek Jeter. And in a team sport, he said it got to the point where he was almost embarrassed by it because he was going to play in Milwaukee, and they had a video, and they were giving him gifts. And he's like, it was a, it was, was all about me and the Yankees didn't have a winning season. And so he said, hey, if you ever know you're going to retire, announce it the day before,

uh-uh, decided and then announce it the next day and be done with it. Don't do it before the season. And so I always remembered that. And so I kind of knew halfway through that last season, this is probably going to be it. But you just don't want to say it because then it becomes kind of all about you. And we had a good thing going. And so we got to the Super Bowl. And of course, they asked you right away.

Yeah. At that game, you kind of want one moment just to enjoy that game. It was my 18th season and, you know, I had a chance to win the Super Bowl. You want to sort of enjoy that night and not talk about you right away. So I tried to pivot and said, I'm just thinking about drinking a lot of Budweiser tonight. Everybody thought, oh, he's got this Budwe. I was really, I had no relationship. You're not allowed to have a.

Yeah. At the time, a beer relationship was a current player. I was just, I was, that's what I was going to do that night. I was going to drink a lot of beer. I was just trying to get him to stop asking me about it. retiring. And then Tony Dungey had told me, he said, even if you know, just take one more month just to let it sink in, don't make some emotional decision. Remember Dick Vermeel kind of won the Super Bowl and he said, I'm retiring. And then he missed it and he came back and coached the Chiefs. And so

I took about a month and then I decided in March that it was going to be it. I was thankful for the time I got to play. Most guys get injured. They, uh, Oftentimes, it's not their decision. They get retired. So to be able to do it on my terms, I was at peace with it, and I was thankful for the time that I got to play, and the relationships that I made. I mean, you know, the equipment manager for Tennessee

pick me up today at the airport, right? I cherish my friendship with him. The equipment manager for the Colts texted me a picture of his grandchildren today. And so those are my greatest takeaways from my time playing, not a game, not a throw, the friendships, as you guys know with your teammates or coaches of the behind the scenes. The video director here at Tennessee for me

is now the video director with the Broncos. And you talk about a guy that's broken more film down for me and he and I are friends. So anyway, you don't get to play anymore, but you still have those relationships. Is there not a better group in a franchise than the equipment guys? Oh, the best.

The equipment guys are the number one cats. Everywhere we go. I tell players. I mean, the tight guys, my boy, Joey over there, all of them do. Take care of those guys. I mean, you know, they have, they have what I call thankless jobs. I mean, nobody, I mean, people only come to them when they need something.

Right. I need cleats. I need a cop. Hey, my loop wasn't in my locker. Exactly. I said, so show appreciation. I don't know how y'all did your clubhouse dues or whatnot, but I was real big on, hey, take care of these guys because they love football and they want to win. So I still send my clubhouse dues.

Do you really? To the Colts and the Broncos. No shit. Yeah. I'm sure they're very thankful. Even though I retired. And so I just, yeah, because it's like, you know, they don't, obviously they're not, you know, I'm not seeing them every day, but I'm just thankful for them for what they did for me.

Did you guys do flat rates or did you do practice squad as this much veterans or this type of thing? Yeah, we tried to kind of do it different ways. I didn't necessarily like, you know, sort of the public sign up list. Right, to where they pass around, which what are you doing? It was always Brett Kern for us who would sit in front of the team. but here's how it's going to go and just kind of label it for everybody. This is where you're at. This is what you're putting in.

Yeah, which is fair. Which is fair, right? Because, you know, I think young players don't realize what these guys are doing. 100%. They're staying there midnight washing socks and jock straps or whatnot. So, but it's a good tradition. And, yeah, it's funny. I mean, today I've talked to both those guys today.

So great, great memories. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, nice news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface.

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I did, but literally as soon as you said tier talk, my brain, like men in black. He was talking about, he was talking about, like, gift giving. Oh, sure. talk we wanted to do with you is the best, like in your career, your top three gifts that you've either given O'Lignment, the team, I don't know how you've gifted everybody, but your top three. Top three, wow. I guess, I mean, you'd have to probably ask them, I guess, you know, Jeff and Tartland and those guys, I flew them all to the Hawaii to the pro bowl, right? You know, that was kind of one of the first things that I did.

custom-made cowboy boots. Okay. I mean, you got to understand now. You do the crazy? This is 2000, 2001. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You flew the O-Line to Hawaii? And their spouses, you know, Hawaii trip.

I'm just saying it's like, I mean, my homes, like, there's like cooler things available now, at least, I guess, right? And so my mom was from the heart. Cowboy boots, custom-made suits, overcoats, you know, like, always something fitted. You know, bring the guy in. Electronics, TVs. But it wasn't like, it wasn't a Christmas gift.

Like, it was, you had to have blocked well gift. Like, one year 2001, we didn't make the playoffs. And my left guard's like, no gift this year. I'm like, there was no playoffs, you know. Yeah. You ever seen Team Wolf? No wolf. No park.

You know, no blocking. No gift. So, but like, The rules change. I mean, you know, Tartre Glenn at one point was making, my left tackle was making, I don't know, like 12 million a year. Used to be quarterback take care of the poor old offensive line. Yeah. So on the offensive linemen, they're making bank.

They're like, God bless him for that. Like, what is this watch? Right. This is not even the best Rolex out there. This is. Right. Yeah. Offensive lineman.

Offensive lineman got to get paid. That's a good call. Was there a, it was it only the starting O line? No, I took care of all of them. Okay, okay. I took care of the wingmen, the practice squad guys. Yeah, then you start spreading out. You got the tight ends, receivers, and so, yeah, like, I felt like I tried to show, you know, my appreciation for all those guys.

Because, you know, you're, you know, sometimes receiving some of the awards or whatnot, but those are the guys that were making it happen. You know I'm walking over to Peyton's locker. Like, hey, you got anything for your boy? For linebackers? Yeah, maybe for white middle linebackers? Yeah. Oh, that reminds me. No, never, never again.

Never crossed over. We had a... Not for Pat Anger? We had a... We had Josh Allen and we talked about going to an empty situation. There's one middle linebacker

that you know is a liability and coverage. He goes out with your running back. Josh Allen called it a milk check, white guy. I see him. That's where I'm going with the ball. I'm checking rat.

I'm staying in the box. You go out there. No, no, no. No. Did you ever have like a, hey, listen. You see this white guy out here. We got to take advantage

at this port. soul. It's funny. I mean, I'm playing in Zach Thomas a bunch. And that was kind of thing we always sit because he was always in the middle. We were always like, you know, I'm not sure if he can, if we can cover, can we just, can we get him outside the box? Can we get him out there? And he was just what you said. He was so smart. He never put himself in that. Oh, yeah, you got to know your weakness. I think he checked out. He's like, no, no. Send the Sam out there or the will out there. Yeah. We couldn't, we could never get him in that spot. And maybe, look, he was a stud play. So he probably could have covered them.

So we'll never know, I guess. Yeah. No milk checks. You talk about gift giving is great. But one thing that I've always appreciated you for was some of the clips I would see about pranks you would do. You had one at the pole bowl. You empty the little thing.

Do you have any like top pranks you ever put on guys in the locker? Nice, nice. You were like, man, I've done it. Just, you know, training can. Everybody had golf carts. Coaches had golf cards. We were always trying to get those moved, you know, into light. There was a little pond in the middle of the training camp and had a little.

platform out there. We got the golf carts moved out on that one time. Big trash can full of water leaned against the door in the dorm rooms on the last night or training camp when their bags are packed and their luggage should be on the floor, right? This is a yearly thing? Oh yeah. Last night. Last night it can't. You got to be last night. They got to be packed. Because we'd say, practice in the morning. I'd kind of get up and say, guys, practice in the morning, I'm telling you, You don't want to get on the road, so I just go ahead and pack up tonight. It's a nice veteran suggestion. And you lean that trash can against that door, you know, about 1130 after bed check.

And you just, you know, bang on that door hard. And they open that door and it's just a tidal wave. Just a flood coming in. And like I said, you know, if it only gets their dorm, it's not really good. But when it gets that luggage. Oh, yeah. They're nice luggage that they've had. They got their picture with their girlfriend.

probably on top of the bag. It's ruined. It's diabolical. I'm trying to think. You know, another guy in Denver who had a picture of his girlfriend in his room. I think it was like body paint of her. You know, it was an interesting picture to have in training camp. And we got it somehow.

And we had a security. you know, you have security on the floor, right? And like these guys, you know, they take naps at 11 o'clock. And we put that picture, like, on the security guard's lap, like, as he was sleeping. And that kind of caused a little stir with the player. Like, why does the security guard have a picture of my girlfriend in body paint? So anything to keep, you know, keep things loose, you guys know the grind of training camp. So just to make things fun.

But, yeah, I miss that. I haven't put a trash can full of water. in a hotel room. You should get Eli. You should get Eli at some point. You don't want to mess with Eli. Eli's got some prank game. He's big with the cell phone.

His go-to move for years was you could change your settings. You could change the language on your phone. He'd like say, hey, well, let's get a picture. You know, and I'll take it of you two first. And he's taking your picture and he changed your phone to Chinese in seven seconds. And now you can't get it out. Now you can't, yeah, you can't figure it out. You don't speak Chinese.

General and settings are. Yeah. Chinese. And now his go-to, he has a thing called text replacement. The feature on your phone would be anything you text often that's long worded, your address, your email, your email. Your email, hey, what's your email? You know, text replacement, if you put, you know, P, it auto corrects to your email. Yeah.

You put C, it auto-corrects to your address. Well, you can make whatever you want to mean whatever you want. Yeah. So he changes the word yes on my phone to I just sharded. Okay? And so when my wife says, hey, are you going to be home for dinner? You know, I'm going to have a golf. Quickly hit, yes.

And she says, actually she's like, oh, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? I'm like, what just happened? Yeah. Respect to Eli for that. That's a good one, dude. Don't mess with him. That is a solid.

one. What are this episode to bring you? Let's lock in. Oh, they taped it. They taped it. Smart move. Smart move. You guys have had so much success with the main and cast,

Omar Productions, and everything else. Is there anything that, is there something that you guys are doing different this year that people can look forward to? We're excited this year. We were talking about him earlier. Bill Belichick is going to be a permanent first half guest. Permanent.

In every game that we're doing this year. We're going to talk about the defense. We got Niners, Jets first game. He'll come on. and talk about, you know, the three things that the Jets are going to have to do to stop Purdy, you know, what the Niners are going to have to do to stop Aaron Rogers. He'll be able to talk about, you know, maybe some coaching decisions that might happen. Look, not enough people have gotten to hear Belichick's brilliance, right?

He never shared it with everybody. His players know I played for him in two Pro Bowls. I have a sense of it. But we've had rehearsals. I come away as a smarter football fan after listening. to him and he's witty and he's dry. He couldn't tell in the rehearsal when we were live and when we weren't a couple times.

So some of the things he said when we were live and he thought we weren't, were great. Like if we could just get that a little bit, Eli and I could just trick him like, Bill, we're not live. What do you really think right now? So I don't know if we'll do that to him as a rookie prank, but I'm excited about that because he's, look, he's a brilliant football mind. And I think viewers will have the benefit of hearing from him. and Eli and I were looking forward.

Plus, he doesn't like Eli because Eli beat him two Super Bowls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like Bill. Making fun of Eli is encouraged here. Yeah. So it should be a fun year. Dude, that's going to be awesome. Is there anything over these first few years that you kind of look at and you're like,

we need to get better in these areas because obviously it's a new thing. No, we do a study in the offseason just like you do when you're playing. And look, we have these guests on. We've learned that when we're interviewing a guest about why they love football and a big play happens, we've got to cut them off or her off and say, hey, hold that thought. I got to tell you what Aaron Rogers just did here. He just checked to a wide receiver screen versus cover zero, and they just gashed the Niners. Elon and I weren't doing that enough because we didn't want to be rude.

We didn't want to interrupt y'all, but the fans have kind of spoken in our little study that we did and they said, hey, we want to hear about the big plays that happened. And Belichick's going to be a first half guest. and then maybe just have two guests in the second half, try to have one former player or a current player, and then maybe one celebrity, maybe just to have enough, you know, a football discussion in the fourth quarter.

Right. And then maybe one celebrity. Because, look, the show, it's supposed to be different than the main broadcast, right? They don't want just me and Eli talking. So we have to be different. Those are our instructions. So we think, you know, being sure the guests are dialed into the game

and being sure we're always talking about what's going on in the game. And then if Eli would just stop making forehead jokes, it's been four years. It's expired. Got to find new material. That's what I tell them. Yeah. You keep going back to the same stuff. So those are the couple of things we want to work on.

A couple things. I know you're out of time. And I just want to say, thank you. This has been so awesome. The stories have been amazing. I want to let you know that we are also available every Monday. Perfect. Anytime you need us.

We have repeat guests. We have repeat guests. You ever in a pinch? just know that the boys got you. Anytime. Y'all were voted high in our off-season study. People appreciated. Oh, the bus and bump.

The stories. Nice. We made the little painting at the end. You see here, there was a big jump here in week 11. That's a bus with the boys guys here. Did you get the painting? No, we never got the painting. Oh, you got the, hang on.

Did we get it to the shop? It's on the Instagram post. Yeah, I was going to say we got it. Instagram. I think the collab. But thank you. Thank you for taking the time. Seriously, this was awesome.

We've wanted to get you on the show for a long time. We appreciate you. You're a legend. No, man. You really are, bro. You're awesome. My dad's going to be fired up. At the cafeteria in high school, I battled to the death for you.

But once Tom got a couple more, it's kind of like, but I'm talking every year. I'm like vein coming out of my neck. I like it. I like it. But the boys got your back, bro. Thank you so much. This has been awesome. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.

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