Bussin' With The Boys - Biz and The Boys

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

Recorded: March 15, 2021 | On this episode, The Boys are joined by Paul Bissonnette aka Biz aka Biz Nasty, former NHL brawler and co-host of the Spittin' Chiclets podcast. They open up by comparing NFL owners to NHL owners which leads to Biz sharing a series of wild and hilarious stories from Russian hockey leagues (which apparently are all run by the Russian mafia). Then, they talk about the differences between NFL and NHL locker rooms, how fighting plays a role in hockey, and some of the scariest dudes in the NFL. Next, Biz speaks on how he wishes hockey players showed more personality, Taylor says he disagrees with one of Chad Johnson's core beliefs, and Comp finally reveals his plans for this upcoming season. Finally, they discuss favorite coaches, the history of Pink Whitney, and the true origin of "For The Boys." Last pod from Arizona. The Boys will be back on the bus next week. Enjoy. ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Canopy Fan: Go to http://barstool.link/CanopyFan and use code BUSSIN for 15% off and free shipping. Dynamism Lab: Save 20% now by going to mantfupnow.com/BUSSIN or use code Barstool20 on Amazon. Georgia Boot: Head over to http://barstool.link/GeorgiaBootBussin and use code BUSSIN for 20% off Better Help: Go to http://barstool.link/BetterHelpBussin for 10% off your first month. One Championship: ONE on TNT airs on Wednesday night April 7th on TNT after AEW at 10pm ET/PT on TNT. The best fights are on Wednesday nights.For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And there's a video online where he came in the locker room. He goes, I don't give a fuck. He was opening face off, you just fight. So opening face off, they just attack their five players, start beating the shit out of them. It's like fucking placements. It's like coming to the locker room with like AK-47s, like yelling at the guys,

refs calling to me. Wait, wait, wait, wait, running in with AK-47s. That's how we usually do our podcast. Oh, we just have to run. Whatever makes it and makes it. This episode of Bustin with the Boys is brought to you by Barstall Sports. We have the boy Biz Nasty on.

Great, great having you guys on board. Niall, Sam, I know you guys are new, but if you don't clap next time when we clap, there's going to be some fucking... Fuck is that, right? We have Biz Nasty on the podcast. There we go. Is it okay to clap for yourself? It's okay to clap for ourselves.

Sometimes if you're the... you don't want to do it for yourself. You still got a clap, right? So you're getting a place? You bought a place here, a little lot of land? In August, yeah, I closed on a place. And I mean, I played here for five years. And I mean, it's hard to go back up north to Canada during the wintertime. So I'm like, fuck it. And I work for the team here still, the coyotes. Yeah, just down the street, I don't want to give the address out on here. I might have a couple boosties. No doubt. People coming out here. This is good area, though, dude. You get acreage? I got 1.13 acres, yeah. So it's good. Yeah, maybe a tennis court in there.

Do you play tennis? No, just to have one. But rich people have tennis sports. That's really all that matters. You want to give off the facade that I'm rich as fuck. Yeah, correct. Yes. So if I got a tennis court, do you play at all?

No, but like if people, if you know, William shut up. No, it looks nice as shit though. You can practice here. That's how the boys come and say, you know, if you want to get a workout, we got a tennis court out back. I don't want, I got a tennis court? I don't want my kids. You play doubles?

No, I can't be doing it. I don't want my kids playing hard sports. Just like golf and all the country club sports. Yeah, I can't be having my kid do the country club sports. I got a weird thing against country clubs. I live in Nashville now, obviously, we both do. Yeah, and the more we get into it, and every time you bring up, the more, the more there is confusion with me. Yeah. I just, he's not a golfer.

When you golf, you're basically saying I'm better than you and I know it. You know what I'm saying? You're talking to Mr. Sam back. I know. I'm not good at any of these country club sports. And I was just fucking Josh, and I am not a country club guy as you guys. Listen, he's just trying to fit in. Yeah, me either, boy.

I'm not either. I'm not either. Dude, I don't know. I went with my friends to one of the... I'm about it, by the way. I'm about it. Whoopsies. That's the first interruption of our podcast.

That happens a lot. That happens all the time. I went with a friend to, with their kids, our kids, our friends and we're friends, whatever. So we go to the Country Club that they're members of. And it's unbelievable, dude. They got people feeding you drinks all day. And it's on some weird tab that doesn't exist at the end of the year. Like, the kids are having a blast.

There's a splash pad. and then bigger kids can slide on the big slides. And I'm like, this is fucking awesome. But then there's something in the back of my head that tingles. I'm from Cave Creek, which is like 45 minutes. Oh, no way. Okay. Yeah, I grew up here.

And my mom would always drive down to Scottsdale, like my biological mother. And she always be like, look at these fucking hoity-toity mother. And like she kind of ingrained my head like, if you were rich, you fucking, you're not, you're not shit. Like Mama says, maybe I'll put my lot up for sale. It's funny you say that, though. I originally looked in Cave Creek because you can get, I think, more land and you're a little bit more excluded but there it's just like it's a little harder to develop it and then you're dealing with a lot of like snakes and rodents and shit yeah but hey but the funniest

thing you said about that is that that tab that doesn't exist until you get the bill at the end of the year which is just a kick in the nuts and uh the you mentioned nashville i think they're doing a discovery property out there what's a discovery property so this this guy meldman and another guy they started developing these like fantasy lands for for all the the the tidy tighties as you like the calm. I think they... Heidi Tadis is not the word I use, but that's officially the word I use now.

So they got one in Cordelaine, Idaho, called Gosser, and that was the first ever one that I went to, and they have one of the nicest golf courses in North America on it. Gretzky's got a place there. A lot of the hockey guys kind of gravitated towards it, and I went and visited Shelton Surrey, and you get to the hole, too, and they have this little, like, shack,

and you go inside. It's got every snack and food you can imagine on the golf course. And it's cool, but like you said, I'm like, oh, like there's no money exchange here. it's like, no, no, they just give you a bill at the end of the month. Yeah. It fucking bends you over. Snickers is like six bucks.

Yeah. They don't fuck around. But you go on an invite out to a country club. I mean, you're living. When you're a guest, you're living. The thing I've kind of gotten over the whole, like, rich people are bad thing because I'm an adult now. You're rich.

Well, hey. Taylor explains the country club atmosphere. If he throws any kind of party, like, that's the type of life you're living. Yeah, and you're probably getting fucking five, five-mills signing bonuses through the Tennessee Titans, too. Yeah, things are. doing okay for me. I can't run, but I make a lot of money.

So, like, Tiffany Decent right now. At least they didn't cut you. Yeah, hey, listen, it's like World War Z out there, dude. Shit is going down with the NFL. And the season starts, like, the new league year starts the 17th. So it's like a tampering period now. The cap room came down. We'll get into all that, dude.

But this shit's like, it's the Wild West in the NFL right now. Yeah, I've been seeing it online and I was, I was going to not to be, not going to come here to be too harsh, but any NFL owners are like. They're fucking assholes. Are they really? They're fucking cut. How are they different from the NHL owners? Guaranteed contracts?

Yeah, but yours is contracts just spend over like seven to nine years. Like Crosby said like what, a $100 million deal? That's a nine year and a hundred million dollar deal? Yeah. Yeah, I just, I just feel like it's more like you're shaking someone's hand and they're going to guarantee you the money you're getting. Now you can get bought out, but if you're outside of your entry level and it goes on maybe, I think maybe five years into your career, you at least have to give them two thirds of what you signed for.

So if you do in fact get bought out, you're seeing two thirds of your money. But you also don't have to work after that, right? You don't have to work for it. You guys get bought out like that? It's a lot less rare than it's happening in the NFL. I just kind of been poking my head online the last couple of days. And it's just guys are dropping like flies, right?

Oh, yeah. But then you, so let me ask you this. What's the deal with this guy who signed with the Saints where it was 140 million, but listen, I know exactly we were going. You're talking about Taysam Hill. Yes. That's the Mormon missile. Yeah.

Dude, so this guy is like, dude is a Swiss Army knife. He's a, I think it's a decent quarterback. He's a better quarterback than me, so it's hard for me to talk shit. But like, he's not,

he's not Aaron Rogers, not Russell Wilson, he's not Ryan Tannahill. He's a good quarterback. He's a special team guy. He does all their special teams. He crushes it. He's like a big Swiss Army knife guy.

Can play running back and receiver. Plays running back. He's like throwing it to himself. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. He's seen who's the black dude, that big, thick black dude that does the joke and he grabs us the ball. He goes, assistant coach,

tight end, receiver. running back quarterback you've ever seen that Terry Cruz no no and it's like it's something different swing and a miss on this one but so the dude um that's okay it's like a big joke around the league that like this dude's like a franchise quarterback

and now they're giving him four years 140 million some ridiculous thing like that yeah but every every year is voidable so it's like really the contract's only like 20 million dollars monopoly money it's weird dude I don't get it I don't know how to make sense of it those voidable years because Levanton

They wanted one, and it was two years for 25. Levonte Davis is buddy. 20 million guaranteed, seven and a half at signing. And so they add these void years. They added like three void years to his contract. And so essentially the signing bonus, instead of being spread over two years and affecting the cap, they added on these three voidable, like, ghost years

so they can spread the cap out for five years. Yeah, cap gymnastics. Yeah. That's the term I learned this week as well. So you're like the wit of the podcast, and you're more like because you're like you were on the practice squad at some point oh yeah yeah yeah we're right i was yeah i was in the hl for part of my career i was even in the league lower than that the hl you've been oh at oh it all i played in the oh hl coming up yeah yeah dude you need to read

a book dude lind hockey you actually did some research oh dude my brother got drafted for juniors uh for metro moose he was play at corpus christie yeah stuff that did all that he burned out he's kind of hippie now but whatever as far as he goes but he was like i did too i did just was able to survive a little longer. Explain the leagues. Because I was looking at this stuff, it's like you played, how many years pro? I played 12 years pro, and that's like the one thing that's nice about hockey is you can go over to Europe and play.

Like I turned the NHL lockout. I went over and played in Cardiff Wales. In the English, EIHL, the English ice hockey league. And it was a blast, but you at least have options, whereas like, NFL, if there's not that, although they are creating the XFL backup again. or you can go CFL, but CFL doesn't pay nearly as much. And they have way different rules too. Way different rules, although the rock's trying to combine it all.

The Rock is... Dude, the Rock. He might do it, though. He really might. There's one guy who could. He touches, yeah, he turns it into that shit. And I think the CFL is struggling as far as money, but going back to the hockey thing is, you know, when I signed, usually there was an NHL team with an HL affiliate,

and even some of them had an ECHL affiliate where I started out my professional career with the Wheeling Nailers and Wheeling West Virginia. So, um, Wheeling nailings. That's something, dude. Some of these names are awesome. So you could basically be as bad at hockey once you hit pro and you're going to find somewhere to play.

So it's kind of nice for actual money. That's what I'm saying. Because like in the league, it's like in the NFL, you bring up a practice squad year or like CFL or anything like that. It's kind of like you don't necessarily count them as like pro years. Like guys won't allow you to count them as like pro years. Yeah. But it seems like in hockey, if you play in any of these professionally, do you,

get to count them as like they kind of take on the definition of pro like pro is being paid to do a service right right right that's what you do yeah but like europe's like no joke you can you go over there and they pay you obviously less but my boy have a buddy that plays in germany and like his house is paid for his cars paid for like he has no bills so everything he can give him his gravy and and in most cases as at least as a hockey player when you go over there it's tax free money like they cover the taxes somehow so they like if your contract's like a hundred and they have to pay 20,000 and taxes they have to cover the taxes that they have to cover the taxes that's And then I've also talked to buddies who have played in Russia, including Witt,

and in some cases they're dropping off like money and duffel bags to the rink. There's guys who have had to cut over. I've seen Russia. That's like such a Russian thing to happen. Europe League is the SEC of hockey. There's no rules. It is a free-for-all. Stories of guys having to like goalies, cutting open their pads and stuffing the money in their pads

and resewing them. Oh, no. them giving out the money before practice and then you go on the ice and you come back and the money's gone out of your stall and it's like too bad so sad stories of guys oh two bad says what do you mean like the money's in there and then they go to practice they they would hand out everybody's money before so it's money gets money you go into his locker you steal his money it's like too well it's it's all mob ran over there everything there was a hockey leagues or mob run oh in the kh-h-l there are insane khl stories probably the best professional stories i mean we've had guys uh We had a guy named Tim Stapleton come on our podcast. And he was injured and he was trying to play through it. And they were on a long road trip. And it got to the point where he's like, hey, my groin's fucked up.

So they're like, all right, fine. They sent them back to the town to get rehab and not continue to road trip because it's just another body to pay for hotel rooms, yada, yada. And he'd been noticing that every time he would come back from road trips, he thought there was like a ghost in his place because the furniture was always moved a little bit.

Well, he comes home early from the road trip. He opens up the door. it's bolted and finally knocks. And the guy who'd rented him the place was living there with his family when he would go on the road. So he ends up spending the night on the couch with this whole guy's whole thing. Come on in.

Come on in. You caught me. You caught me. Oh, man. What, dude? Get somebody who played in the KHL, an old school guy. I think the league has progressively cleaned up a little bit by little just because people were

hearing the stories and it was hard for them. Because of the internet? Yeah, because. Because of social media. But what was another one? Oh, like guys having to open up a bank there to put their money in, the next thing you know, they go there and the bank no longer exists. And guys being out of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars,

if not millions, there is, they would do this Russian gas sometimes day of games where they would get the vitamins, like needles stuck in them. Like, Witt one time did the vitamins. and he's like, Biz, I've never felt so good on the ice in my entire life. I don't know what I, I don't know what was being put in me. No, Joe testing over there. Oh, no, it's, they had an owner at one point where he, he was straight mob, and he would always get like three or four fighters. And there's, there's a video online where he came in the locker room.

He goes, I don't give a fuck. He was opening face off. You just fight. So opening face off, they just attack their five players, start beating the shit out of them. It's like fucking placements. It's like coming to the locker. room with like AK-47s, like yelling at the guys. Ref's calling to-

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Running in with AK-47s? Oh, yeah. The same owner, the same owner that told the whole team is scrap and you always wanted fighters on his squad. I think Josh Gratton was on the team at one point. Nasty, Marasty, Jeremy Blancke, who he also had on our podcast, who told that story about how he wanted them all fighting off the hop. But the ref was calling too many penalties on their team and he came down out of the box down to the ice

and had a conversation with the ref and was basically like if you call one more penalty I'm going to kill your family. Are you fucking? There was no more penalty. There was no more penalty. There was no more fucking penalties. The KHL is the craziest league

on the planet or at least at one point was. It's changed a little bit as I said. The stories go on for days. I kind of wish we were part of something like that. I wish like the league was kind of like that a little bit. Just like NFL Blitz? Legit like NFL Blitz.

Yeah. There's another video game too On like PlayStation NFL Street or something like that It was like yeah It would do the storyline And they would basically use like Lawrence Taylor is like

It's like the character that would develop Throughout the league They would break They would break something in their leg Or in their body right And you'd have these decisions to make To like inject them and play through it Oh you're fucking serious?

I swear to God It's this kind of like Barcity Blues What is it? Coach Kilmer Yeah oh yeah You gotta stick them Slowly closes the door For the running back

you shut your mouth you knew it was good for you Yeah That's a way What does he say? I control your transcripts Yeah That shit is

How often did Wick get it You know Get the sauce So was it Was he ever actually Find out over the Yeah did he figure out So I told the story on

What was I was on PMT recently And he was over there And he shows up to the rink one day He was playing in Sochi Where they had the Olympics And he wasn't there for long I think he lasted half a year

Just because they would make you Stay in something called The Baza A night before game You had to go there be away from your family and think these rush these army bunkers where you know they just it's like they want to control because they were paying you right yeah um and he shows up to the rink one day and there's these metal detectors set up and he's like well there's never metal detectors stuff

and there's another russian player at the time walking in as he was walking in and he's trying to gain as much information but the guy broke in english so long story short Putin was in on the ice yeah and he brought in like four or five hundred people and there was no goalies out there. It was just him and he would go skate around the ice. He'd put the puck in the empty net and then the four or five hundred people would stand up and they'd start clapping. You're lying. No, no, Witt told the story. And then, and then he would take it out of the net and he would skate down on the other end, put it in the net, and then they would get up and start it up it again. Oh, yeah. That kind of ego, bro, could you imagine? Dude. But to be fair,

though, and listen, I'm no Putin fan here. I think we're well aware he's evil. But if you had that much money. I mean, it's kind of funny this stupid shit you could do, right? Yeah, no question. Like, what silly shit would you do doing if you had? I'd probably be doing that. I would just do pass-ets in the middle of the field. Yeah. Just let people stand-up with $60,000. Pack, Titan Stadium and just do some passes. It's like, fuck, yeah, the one. You just run a

route tree with, like, somebody. I'm just throwing you the ball and everybody's doing a standing out. You buy an NFL team and then sign yourself as a quarterback receiver, tight-end. Yeah, he was at semi-pro with, like, Will Ferrell when he's, like, the coach, the captain, and the GM or whatever. But he wasn't a lot. But he wasn't a lot. allowed to go out to the ice to watch because it was blocked off, but where you would

saw and get your sticks ready was where the Zamboni entrance was. So he was able to get over there and watch some of this and just see how bizarre it was. But we have a reoccurring guest. Tim Stapleton, I mentioned. Another guy, Mike Commodore, but all these friends of ours were able to go play in Russia. And they all have very, very similar stories of how crazy it was in its own regard. Are these dudes retired to? Yeah, Tim Stapleton's retired. He's the one who told the story about the person living at his place. I don't, Commodore was, Commodore, we actually created an animation of it.

He was just at some restaurant and next thing you know, he's getting in a brawl where chairs are being thrown with these Russian dudes that he'd never even seen in his life and had no clue as to why he was in a fist fight, but it was all going down. And we created an animation on our Spit and Chickens, YouTube channel of the whole story. We had another guy, Josh Hennessy, who came on and, And he told, he actually went to that fighting team, but he wasn't a fighter.

He was actually a decent player. And he, he had his own experience with that owner to where he was hanging out with him and he befriended him. So he saw some of the antics. They showed up to the airport to pick him up in all of his gear and they had their guns on them and stuff. No shit. Yo, that's fucking wild.

That's the KHL. That's the KHL. I only played one time in Russia. It was at the under 18 World Championship. And it was Yaroslav. And it was a, uh, Yaroslav, the locomotive was their, team name and the town was it was it's it's hard to see you know these there's nothing much it's tough out there it's there wasn't like a blade of grass anywhere it was just like dirt and rubbish and

rubble but i tell you what as soon as you drove up and you saw the rink it was immaculate they had a bowling alley in it they had cheerleaders dancing but you know during the game during the team meanwhile there's people holding potatoes and vodka wishing to god they had a penny to piss on the this was the most intimidating building i ever played in the game one we played against team rusher we ended up getting beat 6-3. And Ovechkin's a year younger, but he was so good at that time over there. He was playing a year up, well, at least maybe not according to his actual birth certificate. No, that's a joke.

As a piece of paper, 12 or whatever, the conspiracy out there? And I think he had a hat trick that game, but we came out and it was exactly as you'd imagine, the guys in the big Russian coats and the Russian hats, army style. And they're all standing over the shoulder. They didn't have guns on them, but they didn't have guns on them, they were all standing up the entire game and it was a very, very intimidating atmosphere. Like Rocky 4 type shit.

Like Rocky 4 where you're over in Russia and they just all the suits and it's just all business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shit in my diaper. Yeah. You 18 dude going across being under 18 and having to go into all places of Russia and

the most intimidating shit, that's, that's wild. I mean, you see that video going around where it's like showing these, the Russian kids just beating the shit out of each other? No, I've not seen that. There's like holding each other and they're just fighting. They're learning how to fight. How old are they? They're a little.

They're little kids. They're just taking punches in the gut and stuff. And they're learning how to fight, like a hockey class. Things just learn how to pull back and forward to the fight. And there's just one kid in the corner just beating the shit, I have another kid. You talk about cultural differences. Like in America, we obviously live in a bubble. But like, if you go to the West Coast, it's like, okay, you guys got dudes like that over there.

And you go to the northeast. It's like anywhere you hit a part of the country. It's like there's different people, different cultures. Yeah. I feel like Russia. It's like the same thing. Like, we don't do emotion here. Like, you don't feel pain anymore.

And you drink vodka. You drink vodka and potato. and that's fucking what you do. It's crazy and it's like what an American, stupid American thing to say of me, but like this shit is kind of wild. Yeah, I mean, as far as the politics and everything concern, I don't really have a call.

But it's just hearing these, the hockey players going over there and experiencing this, it's obviously not normal to our standards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. This episode of Bustle with the Boys is brought to you by canopy fans. The next essential tailgating accessory

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you can speak French, all this different shit. Like, was it hard? Like, in our locker room, it's easy. Everyone speaks English. Dudes, they kind of, we're all kind of around from the same area. But, like, everyone kind of gets along. Different cultures, though. Different cultures, but, like, dudes can still stay the same experience.

We all went to college. We all got out of college. We all went to the league. You know, some dudes playing the CFL. That's cool story to talk about. Yeah. Other than that, like, to get from a high school football player to an NFL football player, the road's pretty straight ahead.

You got it, you don't know. It's clear. It's very clear. So, like, all the boys can kind of get around that with you guys, like, do you have a hard time like talking to dudes like some some dude out of russia some dude from germany you know yeah i mean i mean i'm i wasn't in pittsburg very long but when malcon first came in i was there and yeah he had very broken english and i could imagine where it would be hard uh he was fortunate enough where he had sergey ganchar there who played in north

america a long time but kind of alluding to your point it would it would definitely be hard i played junior with a guy named tomas chobby and he was from the check republic and he could barely speak in English. And you could tell how much it was affecting him not being with his friends and family. Yeah. And then coming into an environment where he couldn't even joke around with the guys. And then on top of that, the, the European game, depending on which country you're in, is just so different than the North American game. So what, you know, they're seeing them as an NHL prospect, but they have to test it to get him over here to see if you can adapt to the North American style. What's the difference of it? Well, so they're starting to change it up. They've, they've made the ice a little bit smaller to

call it Olympic ice or or there's like sorry there there's like a there's like a level between NHL ice and Olympic ice the Olympic ice is the ice they play over in Europe where it's so much wider so it's it's more played like soccer it's more based on puck possession it's it's way less physical so it's it's hard when they come over here because they have less time in space and guys are are running at them a lot more so it's just it's it's hard for them to adjust because they're getting less time to react and make plays with the puck. So, yeah, it was definitely a harder transition for some than others. And some really, really good players who played over in Russia, who are Russian, let's say,

probably made more than they would have ever made when they played over here because they weren't paying taxes and they were playing in Russia, making like $5, $6 million 10 years ago. So they were being paid just as much as what an NHL superstar would be in the KHL. Oh, damn. That is crazy. When you were moving in your career, like, you had to talk to us like we're five years old, right?

Because I kind of been around hockey. I have absolutely zero clue about it. In Michigan, I was always with the hockey boys, and I love to go down stories with that because those dudes were, they're the most fun group. And it seems like they were the tightest group the entire time. Like football is such a so many guys on one team. It's like two teams.

You have the offensive side of the team? 53, 53 guys in the team and 10 of those guys are P squads. He had like 60 guys in the team, 63. But like in college is like 110 dudes. And it's like you don't know which way is up. Like you got your core group of dudes. But like the hockey boys just roll together. Yeah.

And so for you, and that has nothing to do with my question. But for you like when did you figure out like if I'm going to make this thing, I got to be a bruiser. I got to sling my fists around a little bit. So I grew up as a defenseman. Yeah. And then when I hit pro,

I, Pittsburgh day just had a lot of D in their system. So there, I mentioned I started in the ECHL, and then when I was in the AHL, I was like not playing as much as I was in the coast. And given the fact that they had so many prospects and I was scrapping a little bit down the East Coast, they actually were like, hey, we're going to put you on forward when I got called up to the HL the last time. And I'd never really played forward in my life. They just told you were going to be forward. Yeah.

The writing was on the wall. But you knew. Yeah. I know you know why you put me forward. They didn't tell me to scrap. Yeah. It was I going to add that to my bag? And, you know, because if I didn't, I don't know how long I would have survived playing forward.

So right away, the switch went off, I said, okay, I'm going to be a fourth line bruiser. And that first year in the American League, I think I was there for 59 games. And I ended up fighting 29 times. And I was getting my shit pushed in, boys. I was getting my eyes pumped shot. I was fighting, you know, guys, I think guys in the HL there were probably juicing. Yeah. At least a couple that I know.

Trust me. The testing is kind of like not like that? No, because those guys weren't showing up to NHL training camps, or if they were, they were waiting until afterward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you think they're usually just because you were getting, you were getting tossed like that. Well, I just think that there was money to be made in the enforcer position in the

HL. It's almost like the guys were just as tough, if not tougher, in the HL, but because they were such knuckle-draggers that they couldn't play at that level. Yeah. Nobody would have fought them and they weren't good enough to where they wouldn't be able skate on NHL-L-A's. So I took my licking for that first year, and it's crazy because- How brutal was that, the team of those lickings?

Like halfway through, fight 29 times. You're sitting there with 15. You don't know yet, 14 more. I don't know. You'd have to go on hockey fights to see it, but it wasn't good. And, you know, I was learning and trying to survive, but it sucked because you were on the bus after the games, like traveling five hours on a bus back, and you'd have these welts on your head, and, you know, you're trying to figure out how long can I keep

doing this? Because I always used to get really nervous. day of the game. Because you knew you were going to have to try. You knew you were going to have the scrap and could you be picking up your teeth that night or would you get knocked out to where it'd be messing you up long term? You're looking at the roster like, oh, fuck, they got so-and-so who lights cats up. Some teams had two, three bruisers on them too.

So I took my licking's at first year and I was fortunate enough for the following season. I actually started the year in the NHL. I ended up playing 15 games in the show that year. But when I got sent back down during my HL time, I think I actually got in 29 exactly same amount of fights back to back years in the american league and that was probably the worst worst run as far as how much fighting i had to do because my first year in the n hl it it started deteriorating where there wasn't as much fighting there weren't as much just heavy weights in the nchal you had to be able to at least play and i think i had 20 in my first year uh in phoenix and then

slowly afterward it was you know that it was 15 then it was 10 and the next thing you know it just it was not very relevant although i would say that fight is kind of making a comeback. I was wondering about that. There's that company that, violent gentleman who's always got the hats and say make hockey violent again. Love it.

Love the company. Love the stuff. They didn't know free shoutouts. But I will say like, it was like the 90s and early 2000s. Like that's when like dudes were, who's the black French guy that was in good. George of Iraq.

Yeah. Like there's those dudes. There's dudes that you had guys sitting on the bench just waiting. You need to kick up some dust. You send that dude out. When did they get away from that? I would probably. say 2010 is when, and the problem, problem two was media that started being very vocal about

the CTE. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So there was a lot of pressure from the media, especially Canadian media, in order to weed it out. Yeah. And even to the point in junior leagues to start it when they were young, they implemented, you were only allowed to fight 10 times. And if you fought once, you would be out of that game, whereas before you can get up to three

fights and the third fight you then kicked out. So they started handling it at the lower levels. And even in the OHL and those lower leagues that you talked about, the junior leagues, it's still the same where you can only fight, I think, 10 times max. And even I think I believe in the AHL now, which is the league below is it's a 10 fight rule. In the NHL. You only play 10 fights a season? Yeah. And then also all guys are forced to wear visors now, where that was more so for insurance purposes, because in case you hit in the puck with an eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or basically it hit in the eye with a puck. Yeah. A little reverse action there. Um, so that's kind of around the time when, when things really started getting nipped in the butt. And I, I would say that if it would have been more relevant, I might have been able to survive a couple more years, but I- Fighting and fighting would have been more relevant.

Yeah, but as it became less relevant and you needed to be a little bit better player, I just, they didn't really find a need for me. And I had to go do it in the HL for my last three years. And by then, I was like, oh, fuck this. Yeah, that's fascinating. The money difference for the HL and the NHL has got to be a big difference. Yeah, I was making like a little over league minimum by the end of my career, which is league minimum now, I believe, is 550,000.

That's low. For as many games you guys play, that's in all the traveling you ought to do. And as much time as you spend on a plane, that's low. It might be back up to six, or up to six, six, 50 now. But in the HL, I was doing it for, you know, my first year back down. I was making $100K and then it went to $1.25. I think the last year I made $1.35, which, yeah, at that point, you know, having to, having to put that face on every night, it wasn't really worth it. And my body was just completely banged up. But as I said, I think that, I think that now that there are more social pressures and social discussions that are going on, less of the focus is about the fighting and the concussion stuff.

So it's, you know, it's certain to make its way back. There's a guy named Curtis Gabriel who just came up. Have you guys heard of Ryan Reeves? Yeah. He's another guy who has really established himself. And this year, I think there's more of it because of the COVID situation and these teams are stuck in their own divisions because that's how they lined up the NHL where you only play the teams in your division this year. Really? Like there's an all Canadian division this year. And Canadians are loving it.

Oh, they're all about it. Yeah. Because it's, yeah, it's, you know, it just gets the rivalries going. And the fact that you're playing these teams in most cases back to back nights because they're saving money on travel and stuff. You got that in the back of your head. You guys are fucking hating each other. They want to kill each other now, which has. kind of uh... juiced it up yeah it's it's it's juiced it up you know that's uh that's

that's fascinating how much fighting plays into uh plays a role in like being on a roster yeah you know what i mean you're like guys have to play a little more now intimidation like oh those guys up like yeah like when gretsky was playing they had like a dude follow him around the ice like if these were fucking gretsky right they go yeah yeah you didn't fuck with grzky you don't fuck a gratsky so in your mind even going his little bubble yeah like if you got near him like you know they're sending somebody like a quarterback the next shift like he's like a quarterback yeah yeah Yeah, but Gretzky was, he's the great one.

So it's not like a quarterback. It's like Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers. You could even get in his aura. I'm talking like, remember when Richard Sherman hit Marcus Mariotto and it's kind of like that? Yeah. Where you're running, you're rally and like, let me ask. Let me ask you guys. You're getting jumped in the parking lot type shit.

Are there guys who make NFL rosters just because they guys or teams know they're so savage and they hurt to hit guys? I don't know about that. I don't feel like it's that. Because you got to be able to play. The league is so sensitive. towards hitting now. Obviously, like 0-9, 10, when all that CTE stuff was really coming up,

like you said, they must have gone away from it a little bit, it's more social. And that league, that's still like their main focus is, like, how do we protect heads and stuff like that? So you start hitting dudes in the heads

and going low, especially for the quarterback position, there's like, they can't be touched. And the more status you have, obviously, the less you get touched. But like, you know, there is a Vontes Burfect,

who's a linebacker, played for the Bengals. I know that name. Yeah. He would wear a good. He wore a grill. There's the one I was thinking of when I asked the question. He'd stomp dudes out, Sue, and he was at the Lions.

He was, he'd be stomping on dudes all the time. Like, I'll tell you what. There's no, that's the truth. That's what he said. Is he said? Yeah. I'll tell you. Because I saw him one time.

I apologize for him. No way. Hey, he went to Nebraska. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little story. Because he stomped on Aaron Rogers. Oh, I remember that.

I remember in the off season. We were in Nebraska and I was around him for something. And we were riding to drop him off at the airport. and I was like so, because he would say, you know, the man upstairs, he knows the truth because he basically denied that he intentionally did it. Yeah, yeah. I remember. He intentionally did it.

Yeah, I was like, I was like, Sue, so you didn't intentionally stop on Arod? And he's like, what do you mean? I was like, hey, come on. Did you intentionally stop? He goes, he goes, we can pull this car up and I'll drag you out and stomp on you if you want to talk about it. Oh, shit. He's like, yeah, but he's like joking with me. Yeah, but you know how he jokes.

Oh, for sure. I'm like, hey, it's all good. We don't need to go there, man. shit in the car the rest of the time, look out the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, I'll walk. It's going 35. Hey, good, hey, hey, it's all good, man.

Lean to your window and just look out. Just out of there, dude. There's a, but I will say there are dudes that, like, there's a couple guys sues one of them. When you go to play those guys, depends how much, like, sacks some dudes have. Because with the office-aligned, like, perspective, you play against these defense alignment,

and some of those dudes are, like, gangsters. Like, they get, not legit, like, gangsters, but, like, they fucking get after. Oh, yeah, they don't, fuck around. They don't fuck around. And they're like really good athletes, blah, blah, so a lot of O-Lyman will be like, hey, don't talk to so-and-so, because I've developed myself into a bit of a talker. And so, like, guys on my team, and be like, hey, don't talk to- Tummy sticks, I call it. Tommy sticks? It's like the guys in warm-up who are like, hey, to tap and the guy in the shin pad

from across, you know, hey, good luck tonight. Oh, yeah, that bullshit, dude. That's, that shit makes me mad. That's the guy. You hit a guy. He trips over. He says, hey, what the fuck? No, man, you're good. I'll help you up. I'll get you up. And they're like, help buddy up and stuff like that. You don't, do you help guys up? I will never help. I never help somebody up and I've never gotten help up. I've only got, I've only got help up once.

I was when I tore my ACL. But I've done the, I'm all about that. And they put the hand out and they put their hand out and I'll move it away. I'm about that. I'm about the small. You give her the old. Yeah, you put it back a little bit.

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bar still 20 on amazon that's m a n t f up u p n o w dot com slash bussin or use code barstill 20 on amazon who's who's the who's the scariest guy you line across that's a tough question because even then my ego gets in it right now i'm thinking well i don't scared of nobody but there's dudes you like like um you think about twice like you got to you're always got to be on your yeah who's somebody that makes you lay up a little later in well you know if you're not looking the whole time he'll try to get you cheap shot. That dude is he lives in Arizona right now. Debo, what's his name?

I don't know. Played for the Steelers for a long time. Oh, James Harrison. James Harrison. So my rookie year, we're playing the Steelers Monday night football. Zach Mettenberger's our quarterback. Rookie. First play of the game, pick six.

But then he like threw for a rookie record. But at the beginning of the game, the old linemen are coming up to me going, hey, listen, don't talk to James Harrison. Don't even speak to him. Otherwise, you'll, you know, you're going to get some shit you don't want. So, like, the first play of the game, I go and I cut him. and I'm dog shit at cutting cutting. When you go out somebody's legs and then

knocks him down so you get the ball out fast, I go and cut him and I'm like, that's fucking right, you push. Like some elementary type of shit talking, right? I'm like, yeah, fuck you. I'm coming all day. I'm a rookie. And he just looks at me, dark-ass visor on and walks away. The next play we came out, because you threw a pick six,

we go like an outside zone to the right. He chases me down, grabs him by my legs, and gator rolls my legs. And like tries to like end it for the boy. Yeah. It's, to end the season right then and there. Oh, what's a gator roll? Gator rolls like you grab the legs. You ever seen a gator grab like a chicken?

Yeah. And it's, hey, hey, a gator grab a chicken? Like a leg or something, like a lamb leg or some shit? I don't know. What was he trying to injure? He was trying to just twist my leg and twist my ankle or something like that. Like he was trying to get me out of the game fast. Oh, boy from Jacksonville hit you.

Cheap shot at you, didn't he? Oh, yeah, hit me in the ribs that one time. Yeah, I was when you were the team, yeah. No, I was on. Yeah, we were putting to respond to Harrison? No. I kind of bitched out after that. I'm not going to lie, dude.

I was a rookie. I was sitting there. I was like, yeah, yeah, all right. All right. I see you. The rest of the game, I was like, God damn, dude, that dude. Yeah.

Kind of don't even look at him. He's over here and you're like, he's talking to you now. And you're like, hey, what's the play? What's the play? Block him and act like you just. Oh, he's a beast. That's where most of that shit goes down, though. And you guys don't have that is like the breaks.

Like, we go running a play, it's 15 seconds. Then you have 45 seconds to the next play. So we'll be sitting there and dudes will be jawing back and forth. Things go down a little bit. Like we played Denver 2016 or something like that. And Harry Douglas, one of our wide receivers, went and cut a corner. Cut him down. It was a great block.

He heard him. He had to go out for a couple plays. But Akib to leave, who's like, he's an OG, dude. He gets after it. He's got a podcast now. He's an interesting. Oh, he's got a podcast now? Yeah.

Yeah. He played for the Patriots. Play for the Patriots for a long time. He's an announcer. Color commentator. Yeah. He does a great. job too. Like he does a really good job.

And he's used to snatch chains, right? I think that's what I was thinking too, when you brought him up. He used to go to dudes and like dudes would be wearing chains like fat chains. Like not these little pussy chains, but like fat ones up here and he'd go up and fucking yin. Yeah, he'd be on the ground or we try to talk to him. Like you and me be jogging back on 40. All right.

And like rip his shit and walk away. It was Michael Crabtree. I think he did. Yeah, it was Crabtree. He did it too at Crabtree twice. It was like a video. Why a guy would wear a chain on the field is standard. I wear a chain every single game.

Really? Legit. I have a chain that's like this so you can see it. I want to get a grill too. Because I think it'd be hilarious to some tatted white boy from Arizona looking like he's a tank. With a dark visor. Dark visor tattoos. I think they look hard.

And then you look up hard. You get a dog collar. Hey, that'd be sick. That'd be something. With the spikes on it. Hey, there's no bad ideas here. Do it real tight. Yeah.

I can't really breathe tight. Like I'm doing this, but I really take it away from it. Yeah. To agree. Yeah, there's dudes you get nervous about playing against. You get nervous about like when. Von Miller's on. Like, Von Miller's a dude. You're like, fuck, man.

His spin moves filthy. He's fast enough off the line. And because he can get you going backwards so fast, his bullwrest turns into something legit. Like, he's got a good long arm. But he's a dude that's like, got stupid bend. Miles Garrett's a similar guy that's like that. What do you mean by Ben? How, how, when you see, when you see photos of them where they're like,

they're like, yeah, like this something. And their ankles are up. Like, they're like, yeah. And you're like, and how's, dude. Dude, it's insane. It's impressive, dude. It's just impressive shit that, uh, Von can, like, get to the ground. Vaugh will be on the ground in a full sprint And his knees will be like this far off the ground He'll still be running Yeah so when I originally asked the question

Is like we there's always these guys where There like some once the wires cross It's like they're trying to they're trying to injure you Yeah yeah So that that's the James Harrison And James Harrison I don't want to like soil the dude's name He came at me that one time But it's one of those things like

Some dudes just get like you said the wires cross Like you go and you start talking shit to somebody They're trying to take food off the play Yeah, yeah. I guess so. I guess that's what it is. But like you play against these guys and they just, they get fucking mad.

For whatever reason, some dudes can't control their tempers. And like, the cool thing about football is it's dudes from everywhere, right? Like, it's dudes from the country, like the country in Iowa. Like,

it's just like, they're just hicks. Yeah. And there's dudes from, you know, California, surfer cats. And there's dude from inner city.

And like, everyone's mixed in. Everyone's personality kind of comes out. And then you're bred your entire life to be like, hey, don't be a bitch. Like, you're tough.

You're tough. you're a man, you're this. Yeah, stop crying, don't cry. And some of these guys are 610 and, yeah, and 350 pounds. Yeah, and so like, but you're like, you're literally brainwashed your entire life. When you play sports, like, you just feel like, oh, I have to be the toughest guy out there. And then when you get in the league, there's dudes that can actually, like, question your toughness. And so it's like how much, like, people just, it's a bow up for 60 minutes.

The other guy that comes to mind is that Aaron Donald, it just, he's a monster, dude. He's so thick. He's so thin. Bro, he's like, that's what I'm saying. It's like both. I know what you're saying. Yeah, he knows. He's dense.

He's super dense. But the guy's, I think 5-11. I don't even think he's. He's not that big. I think he's like six foot. He's just insanely strong. I see pictures and, you know, it looks like he's just a fridge. He looks like a bodybuilder.

It's crazy. He plays a three technique. And a three technique is like an interior defense alignment. Usually interior defense alignments are like in the 300 range. He is just as dominant in the run game as he is in the past game. And he's 265 pounds. Shreded. And he lifts cats out.

out of the off-round. So is that kind of changing the position to where there may be drafting smaller guys who were playing that position? I think it depends on the- Aaron Donald's kind of more of a unicorn. He's in his own area. Like, the way the league is really developed from a defensive standpoint is like these nose guards and these three techniques used to be these big like gap-eating cats,

like 3-40 and like can't move them so you can't run. And then third down comes, you cycle them out for some fast dudes. and like now you're finding more three techniques and noses that like can me be more diverse and there may be 295 now in like 305 but not like 350 who's uh Vince Wolf Fork like he's a perfect example dude he is fucking massive bro like he's taking both these sides right here Yeah and I play with the potro he had a he had a big barrel on him too I didn't how did he move that fast he had a big he was low key kind of fast his feet got this far off the ground too He would show up in the overalls too yeah

I did a Budweiser grill out thing with him, like a content piece, and he was the nicest guy. What was you good, dude? I could, oh, he was incredible. Like, I'd never understand how a guy who was built like that. Like I said, he had a barrel on him. Yeah. He had a belly. Yeah.

But yet he was so athletic. Dude, it's crazy. He almost killed somebody at we, uh, did bro that practice. We did a joint practice. It was, uh, the Texans and the, or the Washington football team. Oh, God for me. These were the, do these? It was the worst idea.

It was so stupid. I guess Bryant was getting scraps with guys. Players hate it. Coaches like it because you're going against other people. It's actual competition. Yeah. And Vince Will for Texans, Washington football team, scrapped. It was like third day.

Tensions were high. Scrapped pretty early. There was like a fullback in 7 on 7 who cut somebody down. And 7 on 7 is just passing. It's just like flag football. You're just out there passing to somebody, right? And a fullback comes out and tries to and cut somebody on the defensive side. And there's no like hitting in 7-on-7.

But anyway, there's this huge fight And you look you run the tape back and you see Big Vince Wilfork, bro And he's like reaching back bro Decades back Comes up top and just misses our tight end And I swear he would have killed him Swear he would have killed him

Is helmet off? It doesn't matter Like you're getting landed with that shot Vince Wilfork's in the air Who's in the air? Yeah he literally just tried jumping Aside from somebody Getting over top

And Superman punching somebody I got out of here dude You guys... You guys were also on the Jumbotron at the Predators game, aren't you? Oh, yeah. Cushing beers out of the catfishes, dude. You in the old linemen. Yeah, that's in the old lineman.

They really what happened was the way that whole thing went down was they wanted Marcus Mario out there. And Marcus, if you know him, he's like, he doesn't want the attention. But he does. So, like, I have Marcus... Yeah, I'll get out there. And they're like, hey, here's the deal. We just want you guys to twirl towels.

Well, I hooked up with some dude. And I know, like, you know, how the rest is... Redskins. Oh my God, I said it. Football team. I shouldn't have said it. The Washington Oh, no, we're done. No, we're done. Cancel us. Well, it's been a pleasure. Nile, Sam. We're done. Yeah. The Red Wings, they do the octopus when they make the playoffs.

Well, the Predators do Catfish. Obviously not. I won't fucking explain that to you. Well, we, like, I called some guy up. The guy calls himself Catfish, Jake. He's, I don't, you know, he's a buddy. He's a brother of a guy who's on a radio show. He goes out and finds me a catfish. And we put that thing up doing the people long.

lost their shit over it, dude. I mean, it was chug beers. It went viral. I saw it. I was, oh, this is odd. It's good when other sports bring attention to hockey because I mean, football is the North America wise.

It's the crime with them, right? So getting you guys, you know, crushing drinks out of catch fish is usually good for, for views. I've always had this dream too in Nashville because it's such a small town. Like there's musicians, there's hockey players and there's football players. There's soccer players too. They just got it in a couple years ago. But like, I think it'd be so rad if, like, because I,

I love the college atmosphere. I talk about all the time. Like the hockey boys hanging out with all these different sports going out partying together. I've always thought at my head like Nashville could be the perfect place for that. You get all the boys together, hockey, football, even the sounds, the AAA baseball guys, go take over a bar one day. It's a blast, dude. And so we try to do that up a bunch. I actually, I ended up doing an NHL first timer.

It was a concept where we take somebody their first ever hockey game, although I think that Jalen Ramsey had already been to one because he's from Nashville. Yeah, yeah. And we brought him and his girl to a game. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. It was a good time. Very interesting guy. Obviously, very confident in a heck of a football player.

Oh, yeah. Very confident. He's been on the pot with us, too. He's awesome. Oh, he came on? Yeah, he came on. We got him from the DMs, right? Yeah.

We first started out. They put him on the Jumbotron, and people were like, Oh, we hate you! Because he was playing in Jacksonville at the time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rivals. He took him to a Nashville game. We took him to a Nashville Predators game,

him and his girl. And they lost their mind on him, huh? Oh, they put him on the Jumbotron and people were snapping because he's a bit of a loud month. And the reason why it happened was because he went on Twitter and he was spouting off that he goes, he goes, I can make the NHL if I train for six months. Oh, yeah. Just like some dumb shit. Yeah, he just spouts off. I can't even skate in six months.

No. No, I saw him shooting. We went down afterward and we were shooting. He couldn't even elevate the puck. Did you ask him about the six months of training? Well, yeah, because we did on video because it was the whole reason that we ended up linking up with them and doing the, the NHL first time. as we called it. But, yeah, no, it's football is, you guys have some very, very unique personalities.

And I wish hockey was more like that as far as guys putting themselves out there. Do you think that's like a, it's an unspoken thing? Because it seems like most all hockey guys are like that. What do you mean about us? It's a, okay, for instance, like you guys all show up without whatever you guys want to wear. It's tradition that hockey players show up in suits, although I think that that's changing. So it's frowned upon for certain guys, for, for everyone to show their individual personality,

although throughout the course of history, there have been guys who have done it, like the Jeremy Ronix, to try to think of, I mean, Austin Matthews, who's from here, you start seeing him who he posts more on Instagram with these outfits coming into the rink

and, you know, showing off their own style and personality, doing these fun commercials. The black dude who played for the... BK. Suban. B.K. Suban. He's another guy. I have a bi-personally,

I don't know that this is true or not, but he gets traded. He's been traded a couple times. He's such a good hockey player. And I feel like, is that because he's talking too much? These owners of GMs kind of like that? I don't think he's as good as he once was.

I think people were very surprised when they traded him out of Montreal because he was at the top of his game. It was, I would consider it a fair trade. Like, Shea Weber, people overreacted, I think, because he was so below in Montreal. But Shea Weber, he's played for Team Canada. He's like one of the best leaders of the game's ever seen. I think he just played in a thousandth game.

So at first, I could see where people were surprised because P.K. was maybe a little bit better as far as his analytic numbers and what he was producing. But I think throughout, since the trades happened, it's leveled off. People went hyperbolic because it was Montreal, which is the hockey center of the hockey universe. Well, there are Toronto. But, yeah, I think that people tried to correlate it to because he was so flamboyant and he would show his personality off, which, you know, I think Mark Bergevin, the GM, who, is in Montreal is a little bit more old school and maybe he wasn't necessarily a fan of him taking that doing the extra attention i don't know i don't you'd have to ask mark bergerman and i could see where people would say that but uh but yeah he was definitely a guy who who put himself out there where he's

all over his social channels and branding himself which hey who am i i'm i did the exact same thing all the power to you i have very similar personalities to you guys where i don't mind being the silly guy on camera yeah let's see where it brings us yeah and and also you know you guys are going to, you guys are going to be done playing one day. What, what, what else can you do? You know, what, what type of doors is it going to open in your post career? You get to keep doing even just this as it keeps growing. Well, at least it keeps your mind occupied. Right. It's a creative outlet that a lot of people don't get.

People judged me when I was doing it. They didn't understand where I was spouting off on Twitter or doing content pieces. And I'm like, fuck you. You guys are very narrow-minded and you're worried about what is happening here right now. And especially if you're a GM, you're worried about the team that you're being a GM of. Right. I'm worried about when you cut my ass because fighting's not relevant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm setting myself up for the. backside. And when you cut me, are you going to make sure I'm taking care about it? No, they don't give a fuck. It's cutthroat. Yeah. So cutthroat. That's the thing. I have an issue with all the time is like when we first started this podcast two years ago, like I told I told Will's a, hey, I'm not doing it during the season. I got to make sure I say, say, first to fans, I don't want the coaches to be mad and shit. I want people think I'm not focused. Well, even when I wasn't doing it and we would lose a game, it was fucking fans were pissed, people were mad. And there is like a thing with being an

offense alignment specifically is you're kind of told like hey you should just be in the corner let the receivers let the quarterbacks and running back seeing worry about protecting the you worry about protecting the merchandise quarterback exactly and and when we did this it was like a leap a big time leap for me because I love like all about being the center of tension I enjoy the hell out of it I love making people laugh I love talking I love being around people and it's like I was always dipping my toe in like what should I do what shouldn't I do and once we did this it was like we were the first podcast by active football players and now there's three or four.

You know, ain't that a good feeling? And it's crazy how dude just is. It's fun to be in the first where you're, you feel like copying anyone. I feel innovative. I've said it. You're definitely nervous.

I'm nervous as hell. And now it's like, there were the first 10 podcasts we did. It was like, we had both in our trucks and our bus was like behind some random warehouse. Like, and we'd be driving home. We'd call it.

I'd be like, Hey, how do you think that went? Like, you know, stupid. Yeah, there's definitely an insecurity involved in anything you're doing.

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your schick. Like, like, like, people knew who you were, but it's not like you were some household starter name on a team. No, yeah, I was saying the craziest shit on Twitter when I first started. Like what? It was like an example. You canceled now. Oh, say like, ladies, make sure you shave up your bushes tonight, Friday night.

Just like so stupid and immature. Like, the craziest. Yeah. I got called into our GM's office like five times while I was playing for the coyotes being like, what what is this? Yeah. I, I, I remember I Instagram something like spouting off about how the hotel Fairmont in Winnipeg was they took $9 for this like little Fiji bottle so I was like fuck off Fairmont and posted it next day after pregame skate I get called in the office and the coach is like sit down

and he points at his computer's like what the fuck is this and I look over and I'm like oh shit like I completely forgot about it because it was the night before banged out they're like the Faramont's threatening to kick us out of the hotel. Day of the game, I'm a healthy scratch. I'm like a peasant. I'm completely irrelevant. Yeah. And they're threatening to kick our whole team out day of a game of the hotel because I was spouting off about the $9 fucking.

And the worst part about it is like, you know, when you're young and you're just being an arrogant fuck. They provided water as we come in. Oh, no. Yeah. Just like, come on. They had the little gatorade cooler. Water. Like, come on.

I was being a fucking idiot. But you're trying to be funny. That's a shit like Yeah People, and this can go for everybody So I hope all of our beautiful fans are listening Stop taking yourself so fucking serious Exactly

Because it's like you're not like You're not gonna change Like we can't just all go to this PC world We can't do it This the world was a different And I'm gonna have a fucking make out with a gun If that shit starts happening too much You know what I'm saying

Hey I'm just kidding Hey I'm just joking I can't let that joke I'm sorry No but when I Well don't be so fucking PC So when I this gun barrel like oh okay take it easy now you're all right i have been in a dark place

later yeah so so when i started it it was a completely different world this whole cancel culture it was non-existent right you could let it fly although i had an original account just biz nasty and the reason why it's called business 2.0 is because i deleted my first account because my agent called me he says you need to get the fuck off this app like you are going to get suspended and you're going to get sent down you feel shitty about i so here's what happened so Lou Lamarillo was in New Jersey at the time, and he offered Ilya Kovalchuk, who was a big time free agent, this insanely front-loaded deal. So it was kind of manipulating the CBA, but he was so Lou Lamarro is a genius. He's a, you know, Hall of Famer for sure, one of the best GMs ever. So he

found a way around it. So then once they sent it to the league, the league shut it down. And I was spouting off about how many lap dances you could buy with this crazy deal that no one had ever gotten in the NHL. And then when it got shut down, I said, I said, sorry, sorry communist back to the Soviet. And, you know, I would never say it now. And I was just trying to make a joke. And it was, you know, probably, it was prejudice more than anything.

Yeah. And that's when I deleted my first account. And then I, and then what happened was is the team, there was enough people back then who were willing to defend me. So they were calling the coyotes being like, why did you guys make him delete his account? Like, let people fucking joke around.

Oh, shit. That's cool. So they're like, we're going to go on. Hang on who was going about a place? People were like, how many followers you have in this account by this time? I probably had 15,000,

oh, so it wasn't like, loyal, hey, you got loyal. Oh, so you got them 15, 20,

because hockey players, most players, wild, yeah. Like, dudes that are like, you know, fourth round,

dude, I was a hundred thousand followers. I was a present nobody in the NHL and I had a million followers on. It was, it was, because I was on there all day, just spouting off, joking around the fans.

So, so they were like, some people even were like, we're not going to, we're not going to renew our season. tickets like and they're like yo dude are you telling people that you made us uh delete your account and uh and i'm like no like my agent called me and he told me to get the fuck off because the league might suspend me or something and i never forget my agent said he goes he goes nothing good can come

of this and yeah that's it is man was he fucking wrong we're still boys i actually talked to the other day he's he's the man but uh so the the the team was like hey listen why don't you come back and we'll reboot it and we're going to monitor it so you don't say anything too, too crazy. Wow, as I said, I got called into the GM's office like four. Literally that first training camp, the lady, shave your bushes, get ready for the weekend. Yeah. And they called in the office during training camp. What is this?

What is this? And I'm like, oh, fuck, I. Sorry. I was just fucking joking around, trying to make people laugh. And I think they knew it was all in good spirit. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's definitely transformative. And the good news is though now I don't really take to Twitter to joke around much anymore because everything just gets taken out of context.

Especially on Twitter. People just want to go there to argue. Twitter is tough. I don't like Twitter like Twitter like that. I enjoy a little Twitter. Instagram and thankfully for podcasts, you don't need to, you don't need to hit push the button to subscribe and come listen. This isn't being forced down your throat. If you want to come stop by and hang out and see what we're about.

If there was a way to force it on somebody's throat, we would have done it by now. We would have paid for that. Yeah, I absolutely. We pay for followers if we can get up. Yeah, Twitter's like, I just treated like my group chat. Like, it's just like a group chat. He really does. I'll tag three times a week in a little shit

And I'm like, he's like, can't wait to Go golfing. Which Taylor likes golfing at Taylor Luan, 70s. I'm like, all right, Will. I get like, or like I'll just tweet regular stuff and people will just tag you. And I'm literally thinking of my mind. I know Taylor's looking at it.

I don't care. I'd be alone. I think it's so funny. I love it when people take shit on Twitter and like make it a thing. I do enjoy that. I do that shit, yeah. So yeah, it took on my mind of its own. And yeah,

I went from being an extreme. that you're relevant player to hanging out on social media to where, you know, we, and then all a sudden when I retire, I find out linking up with that podcast that Witt recommended. And, uh, and here we are. What do you mean Witt recommended? You talking about Spin Chickles? So Witt on Twitter was a, hey, I want to start a podcast. I had no clue what podcasts were.

Yeah. Were you guys boys? Are you in Witt? Oh, yeah. We played together in, uh, in Pittsburgh. And the original concept that we'd thought of is we actually, after, playing together in Pittsburgh. I went my own way. He ended up getting traded off. He had a tough ending to his career where he battled injuries. And he was a far better player than I was. He was,

he was snapping to tape passes to Sidney Crosby. I ended up signing, I think, a $24 million deal. Oh, good for him. Yeah, he got a nice ticket. And, you know, I don't think it ended the, you know, the way that he wanted. And he, you know, I talked about how he ended up in Russia and all that. And when he got home, he was probably bored. And he's like, hey, do anybody want to start up a podcast? and he tagged me and another guy named Colby Armstrong, who we played with. And I messaged back. I said, yeah, maybe when I retire,

but right now, no. Kind of similar to what you were talking about. I don't know if I want that attention. Yeah. Because I know exactly. But you wanted it. You didn't know, you knew you wanted it. I wanted it.

But not then. But you just got sent to the GM's office. Yeah, yeah. You know, maybe. Because when I was in the podcast, if I was going to do it, I was going to let it fly. And at the time, I didn't have the girlfriend I'm dating now. And I had some pretty wild stories.

Like, I told stories on there about, about like girls I was having sex with that were like shit my bed. I had that and then yeah it's just like you know it was whatever someone doesn't shit in your bed at least once in your life we had probably done something we had left wing we had left wing you never had a girl

we'll talk about that way like we had left wing media going crazy in Canada about some of the shit we were saying but like I didn't care because it hadn't reached the point to it is now where as I've toned her down but yeah and then and then R.A. reached out to him was like, hey, if he's not willing to do it, I'll do it.

And then that's when a call came together. But like I said, at the time, I had no clue what podcasts were. I was like, what is this world? And all of a sudden, they started popping off. And then Joe Rogan kind of became a thing. And I think that he made it a little bit more mainstream. He made it cooler for sure. Because it was like NPR before that.

Or like, you know. He'd been doing it forever. Like in a webcam in his freaking room. But his shit is so, it's so incredible. I would love to go on his pocket. Like, it's unbelievable the shit he talks about, his insight. He got, he's a. He's like the only podcast I really listened to before I went to will.

And then Will put me on a couple other dudes. It was that was like the reason why we started doing podcasts. Yeah. It's because of Joe. Joe Rogan. And I was going back. So we ended up going to St. Louis on a PTO. So we signed this.

We would go to training camp and try to make the team. I knew I had no shot because they had Reeves there at the time. I think they had somebody else who fought. And I thought Witt had a better chance to make the team. But we were hanging out every day together after we would go for our training camp session. And we thought, Why don't we have this show where we all show up to a locker room with our gear and we just have beers in it? We never actually end up getting dressed, but we just tell all these old stories.

And that's kind of how the concept started. And basically it's really transformed into that where we always get a guest to every show. And, you know, we interview the young guys who are a lot more timid who are still playing. Yeah. But getting the old guys on to share. Those are the best ones. They don't give a shit. They don't give a fuck.

They don't have a GM to listen to. Is it the best just being kind of retired and? Yeah, it's great. I don't got to bang up my body anymore. And talk, I mean, do you guys ever have any of these retired guys on? Like, get someone from the Cowboys. Yeah, we've had, we had, Chad Johnson. I know what you're saying?

Like, somebody back from the 90s where they might have been snort and coke before games and stuff. You know what I mean? Where it was, you know, they weren't even making that much money. Right. They were like, that's kind of where hockey was at one point where guys had off-season jobs. Yeah. In the 70s and stuff. And it was just a lot crazier.

Chad, Ocho Cinco is definitely a guy that I, you guys had them on? Yeah, he was a blast, bro. He was, dude, he'd sit there. He lit up a cigar on the bus, contact high for myself. And then he got a phone call in the middle. I'd be asking him a question. He'd be like, hold on. Hey, what's up?

I'm actually calling somebody on next minute. What's up? And like, show people and stuff. And like, like, say what's up to me? Yeah. He's like, hi. He's probably doing just as good now as he. He's killing it, dude.

He's got to be. He started doing this I am athlete podcast. That's really good. I've seen a bunch of clips. Yeah, they're very open. Even about their personal life. Yeah. Brandon Marshall, I think, started that.

And that dude by a battle with being, he's bipolar right so he had a lot of brain a marshal he's not like full bipolar but he has like a personality he's got like a personality he came out he came at one point his moods change a lot he's very open about it like therapy and like working on your mental yeah i can relate i yeah i go through these waves sometimes and that's that's what drew me in i saw one of the clips on instagram and i'm like wow this guy's really opening up and he's a he's a pretty strong voice uh and then and then i and i also saw another one about the argument uh about the mcdonalds yeah we got something dude you know that's something dude you know

hilarious. Yeah, I just can't agree with Ocho on that one. No, I like, I don't agree with him at all. He argues it so much, so I'm like, does he really think that? I think that's what the McDonald's chemicals have done. They've made him a call for a call. He looks great though. He does. And he's, he looks, he's such a specimen. That's what it's like, he's, he's, he's, you know, these guys, like, you eat McDonald's, but the, the idea I go to is like, if you cloned yourself, it's like, Ocho, if you clones yourself and you're the Ocho you are now, and you're the Ocho you are now, and did all the stuff. But if this other one, this clone of you, same thing,

and you fed him correctly, how much different would it be? It'd be so different. And your career probably would have lasted longer. And I'm not saying that he had, it just fell because he ate McDonald's and stuff. But that's always the argument on I am out on I am athlete is, you think your injuries are this because he's always like,

you know, I got, because of stuff off the field, that's why he got out of the game or it was some. Yeah, I know, I watched the, because Brandon Marshall, he's healthy. Yeah. It was the hard knocks.

Yeah. Marshall, it's really, Brandon Marshall, he just argues with him until he's red in the face about it. Well, Brandon Marshall, from a frame standpoint, that's way more built than Ocho. Oh, yeah. Ocho, like, Brandon Marshall's, like, stacked. Yeah, he and T.O. or similar. I followed him when he was playing with the Bears. Like, I always, I was a real, he was really good, big, wide receiver.

I like, I like, I like the podcast because I just love the fact that athletes are starting to get a voice. Like, started kind of with, I think, like, LeBron was really kind of putting that shit out there for real. Because they did the, uninterrupt. Shut up, yeah, the unerrupted, the whole person that said shut up and dribble, and he took that and he's kind of wrong with it since. And I think that shit's cool that those dudes are doing. I think I almost, I mean, I guess I'm on the right side of it, but I'm concerned for, you know, mainstream media where there's, as time moves on, there's going to be so many athletes that are coming out with their own stuff as like this. Whereas not only do they have the, the expert opinion because they did it, but they also had the connections to get the other guys on where these other guys. open up way more than they would with just some some guy.

Absolutely. That's what we love too. We tell everybody in our podcast that, hey, if there's something you don't like, we'll cut it out. So feel free to say whatever the fuck you want. We've, yeah, we might have to take out.

Oh, hey, yeah, Roman. We had a bit for a while asking dudes about the first time they jerked off and what it was like jerking off. And he ended up saying his story, but afterwards he was like, he's like,

he's like, he's out of ours. Like, first off, if all the people would have a man crush on, that's probably mine. He's a man rocking. Love him the death. Love him to death. His wife equally is beautiful. They're a beautiful couple.

They just had a kid. And Roman's awesome, dude. I love, he's a good dude. And he came on the bus out of like, maybe a favor. And you could tell the whole time he was like, he didn't know if he really wanted to be there. You know? Yeah, same with our podcast. I think he was just doing us a favor. He's such a nice, humble guy. We've had a couple interviews. We had Austin Matthews, who's a big name. I talked about him earlier. And there was an incident where we had to complete. completely nixed the interview. It was going to be such a big one to drop at the start of the season. Yeah, one of those too. You know, mad traction and it was like ah, it was so good. But like you said, we're a player's podcast, so it's whatever they want off, it comes off. Yeah. We've got to protect them, right?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, you kind of said something about this. I don't want to put you on the spot, but like with McAfee, McAfee, when he first started doing podcasts and stuff, you know, Pat, Pat was like, all for the players, all for that. And like, progressively, last couple years, Like he's gotten, the farther you get away, the harder it is to protect the dudes who you wants, the, the player he wants new.

He's so big now. He's so big. But he does a great job. I think he does an amazing job. You got to keep the credibility. So that's, that's the tough balance is anytime we have to bring up a topic and, you know, you're like, uh, you try not to speak too negatively because you don't want to hurt the guy's feelings either.

Yeah. Because you know somebody, you know a guy who knows him. Yeah. Everybody's one guy away from another guy around. In the middle of the Ocho Cinco thing when I felt like I was catching myself, like, you know, I'm not disrespect his career or anything. Yeah, yeah, you do that. That would have kept him in the league longer.

About all about the food thing? Yeah, you know, you're like, I'm not saying that his career would have last longer, but it probably would have. And there's a thing. You know what I mean? Because you're just healthier. Yeah, and then all of a sudden he catches a clip of it and he's like, fuck you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm coming on your fucking podcast. And I like, and Ocho, hey, I love you, bro. Yeah, he's a big fan. I'm a big fan as well. I grew up watching Ocho. Yeah, I grew up watching sports at all. Yeah, no, he's a big fan. I mean, McAfee's kind of the, he's set the precedent as far.

I mean, he was with Barstool at one point, not really sure what happened. Like, we were, I was just kind of joining at the time. But it's, yeah, it's, he's got an insane motor on him for, for how much. He just goes. He's just such a good job. Same way. It's the time to do it too. Like if we both didn't play, we would probably go more the route he is.

Oh, for sure. There's so much money in that, dude, like with the fan duel and doing the daily stuff. And having his boys around too, I love that. Oh, he's got, yeah. boys from high school around, that's cool as shit to me. Speaking of motors. It's daily, bro. It's daily.

He grinds. Money through Friday. Speaking of motors, but I don't think we've talked about barstool yet. I'm sure you guys are loving being associated, but Portnoy, his motor is... Insanity, dude. Fucking nuts. He's a guy you watch him.

I don't get it. He's not. Millions and millions and millions of dollars, dude. And he just still does pizza reviews every day. Still does. He's committed to all of his stuff. And the best way to see, like, his motor was like, during COVID. Like, he would be there.

gutting dudes out for not doing shit. Like you're, you just blog. So he went from, uh, obviously he was still doing the pizza reviews. I believe he released high noon. Uh,

then he did the unboxings. The unboxing. Then he was doing Davey day trader. Yeah. The run he went on during COVID. And then of course with the bar still fun and there might even be one more thing that I'm missing. It was like in a time where most people were like, oh no, like the world's ending.

Like what's happening? He took it full advantage. He was like, just stacking bricks. Putting a team on his ballot. He really did. And the Davey day trade thing is genius too because you can't give like,

you can't help people with stocks, whatever. There's a rule against that when you're a day trader. Right, right, right. But if Dave, three hours before or an hour before puts 50 grand into his stock and goes, I'm watching Apple today.

Yeah, yeah. That shit goes up and takes it out. He's like, all right, fuck Apple. I was like, now he's on all the networks talking about it.

He's on Fox. He's on CNN, MSNBC. He's a griner. He's a grunt. Oh, yeah. And then he interviewed, he interviewed Trump.

That was one of the other things I didn't watch that interview But I saw it with Big Cat said about it And Big Cat was like He didn't even ask a hard question But there was no like Softballs yeah

Yeah All softballs yeah I think it was more of just like The fact that this guy Who you know Created this blog I think he was like Living in his parents basement

At the beginning of all this To where it's got now It just It's at a test of it Put newspapers and all They're going around And put them in newsstaking Yeah

He's put fake ads In the newspapers Yeah And then he'd call Fleming's sick house blah blah blah blah blah and then it'd be like a strip club one that was real but he with the fleming so people would think that he had more people and then he'd call he would write after like three different aliases also so so you're saying he would be giving away free advertising he would give away free advertisement to seem like he was bigger than he was but then he called the competitor like if it's i never do that steakhouse he called like morden's and say hey they're they're sponsored on the news

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His phone's been blowing up all day. Yeah, it's really? Yeah, on Twitter. Hey, I'll say this, man. Like, I'll say this. I was paying a little bit attention. Like, I feel like you were making a bit more of a name for yourself towards the end of the season where, like, you were making these fucking huge plays.

You know, I love that. No, no, I know. I know you are. Yeah, and I know you said that before last year, you were not even sure if you were going to get another opportunity to where you ended up spending majority of the season on the actual team. Yeah. And you think you're going to get another deal?

I think there's, I think I'll play another year. Good for you, man. I think I'll be able to play another year. What's up? Just fucking said it. Just saying it out loud. Just spoken to existence, law of attraction. And hoping to go back with the Titans?

We'll see. Hey, nice. He wants something for the Titans. Of course. And then you guys get the continued growing what you guys are growing. Yeah, it's so weird. The thing, the funny thing about the Titans is like John Robinson, our GM came from the Patriots. Patriots is like a no-nonsense type of shit.

And then Rable is under that umbrella of like the Patriots also. But they love our shit. Yeah. Yeah. They really do like our shit. It's kind of funny. He seems like the biggest players coach ever. Yeah.

Yes and no. Yes and no. I mean, Rayble has a time. If Rable, okay, so if Ravel played 14 years in the league, and you'll know that if you're in meet him, because it'll be the second sentence he ever says. But also, like, he will, like, he'll love you up, but he will absolutely, like,

oh, he'll take Ryan Tanna Hill, torch him. He's the guy, he's like, he's like the, he's like the dad you just want to say, like, hey, I'm proud of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just want that valid answer. Yeah, of course. I, yeah, my favorite coach, Mike Stuthers. I did an interview today where I talked about him,

and he was my favorite coach is all, all you were looking for him is to say fucking rights. And I won a HL championship with him, not a Stanley Cup. But, but yeah, it's just, you know, you respect those guys because they've also been there and they've done that. How many, how many he's got, two rings? Three rings. Three rings. I mean, what can you say to the guy who's got three rings, right?

And played 14 years. You're like, okay. Yeah, there's not a whole lot of backers. Not a lot of comebacks at all. It's fun to trip him on this podcast because, like, you know he listens. Like, if we ever tweet something, he'll put us in a group chat and start killing us. Like, you know, listen. So I always like, low key on our podcast, every time like Braves comes up, I do try

to throw a little shade out there and see if he ever comes fishing back. I'm fishing for Braves to come. Yeah. You ever called you in the office. That's what I was going to say. It's like, you talked about the GM thing. And it's not necessarily the office, but I've gotten messages about like tweets like, you know, hey, do you take the good idea?

The Titans handle stuff really well. They'll be like, hey, just don't do this. You're right. And it's not like they don't make a big deal out of it. You're on the practice squad now. Yeah. I tell you what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You definitely felt when I went down to the practice squad, I'm doing stuff. You're like, man, I wonder if I'll get chirped now since I'm on like, you know, practice. Because you don't want to be, you don't want to be a distraction. So as a party is like, you know, you don't want to do as much as you had been doing. Because, again, like, you're for the boys. You want the boys to win. You don't want to be a distraction. You don't want to be brought up in.

Self-awareness. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, you battle stuff like that, like, those voices in your head about it. But you're just aware of it. So, like, who, what are the chances that you do? end up back with the Titans? I have no clue.

I have no clue. I mean, I had you ever, you ever? Oh, no, I think. If I were to tell John, I want him here, probably John go away from it a little bit. Yeah, if anything, it'd probably make it worse. Yeah, like, everyone knows me and Will are boys, and I would love to have him on the Titans. I never say never now, because last year,

during camp, I was on the phone with Will and Will's chilling, went for a call. No, you had teams calling you. Well, I had the Raiders. I had the Raiders. I had the Raiders. I had the Raiders. I had the Raiders team, and, no, that was too.

And you're waiting for another team to come into the equation so you could, you know. Kind of finagle a couple extra bucks. And I'm like, you know, how sick it would it be if you play at the Titans, dude? How awesome. We're like daydreaming, right? Talking about all, it's so sick. Be back in the locker room. We're like, there's no one.

Because our locker room with the Titans is like, dudes have come from everywhere else and been like, this is the place. This is where like everyone gets along. Dude, we have. Awesome. The boys fucking care about the boys. Legit. That's awesome. I mean, you got selfish players, but like even the selfish players, you're like, they're

still for the boys in the locker. There's too, it's like there's too many guys who are pulling the rope the same way. It's, it's, it's really hard for them to infiltrate the group. It's just like they can be, they can be their selfish selves and that's their personality. But it's not going to, it's not going to poison the core. They come around, dude. They come around a lot. And so when Will got the call, like when Will got the call from the Titans,

Brave shot me a text. There was like 0% chance of him coming. Yeah, can you go work out or whatever? He goes, he goes you in shape. And then sends another text or you've been eating too many. ribbyes because I would post on the weekends like, you know, Ribby's, show, a cigar. Yeah, whiskey and ribby.

He's like, and, you know, I was like, I'm in shape. And he's like, football shape. I'm like, I mean, I'd need a few days in pads, but I'll be ready to go. And then next day I know, we got a call that they wanted to do a tryout or a workout in a couple days. Well, we had to do COVID. So you had to do the three days of COVID testing. And did you think they were fucking with you because they moved your workout from like 8 p.m. to like 5 p.m. Right.

Yeah, they moved to like two hours earlier because it's something that was happening. I didn't think they were messing with me. but I knew that because they had other free agents in, like people that were already in from Cali that had to kind of quarantine for a few days. But when it happened, bro, I was so hype that I was going to get to stay like in Nashville. I love the Raiders.

I was going to pretty much, there was like maybe two weeks left to preseason, like 10 days left. It was kind of like you're trying to finesse going to another training camp because you knew I was going to be, I had a minimum offer from the Raiders at the time. It's like, all right, if I'm going to have a minimum offer, hopefully with COVID going on,

there will be some. job where I can play on minimum and not have to go through a grueling training camp. Save your body. Of course. And there was like two weeks left or 10 days left when I signed with the Titans again. And I was stoked that I was going to get to stay in Nashville. I never thought that I would get to play for the Titans again. So that was pretty sick. That was pretty sick. Because if not, I was going to be in, I was going to be in Vegas. I was like, all right, we're near in the end. I'm going to have to, you know, sign this deal and go out to go out to the

boys in Vegas. The Vegas would be a rad place, though. But like, dude, when he signed, it was like, you would have thought we got some dude for a $140 million contract, some, like, fat cat out there, like, just traded for an HOF or dude, like, what did I tweet? He tweeted. Greatest third string special teams player signing of all time.

Dude, people went nuts when we'll sign. It was the best. And Brave text me, he's like, hey, get out of your system now because talking about self-suck, like, you know, look at me, look at me. I was like, yeah, I'm kind of chirping myself, too. It's not like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I was so you all the end.

Self-deprecate. That's how I was. So the first, like, you know, like meeting or whatever, Rabel's like hammering Will with questions. Because the Rable, like, the three of us are kind of boys. It's kind of like loves Will, but he's going to ham on Will. In the middle of a team meeting, all the dudes in the room.

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What's that? Spitting chiklis. No, I'm just, I'm sure your fans care too. Like, what are your emotions like where you're seeing guys in the NFL and how cutthroat it is where you have a significant injury and you got three years left and you have fans like, oh, take a deal to help out with the team cap? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you did, like my agent calling me, because I talked to him because this shit was going

like crazy, like a last week, a bunch of cuts and stuff. And I called him, I was like, hey, I know I'm not going to get a couple of like, what if I get cut? If you get cut, be stoked because you'll be out of a better contract. Yeah, you'll have a better contract. Because I have great agents, CA is my agency, and they had a frontload of contract for me. And these last three years are like kind of half as much this last three years.

So really, I'm helping out the cap without even doing anything compared to my money last year. But like the emotions with this thing, like when it first happened, it was kind of like a calming thing almost because I've always been so worried about a knee injury. What if I get a knee injury? Because like, I've always been like an athletic guy. I always thought of it. They have to run and bend and I can do all these things.

And I was always like, fuck you. I just don't want to get a knee. I don't want to get this. And the minute it happened, it was like, okay, this is the worst case scenario you've ever thought of. Like, what now? And up until super recently, I've been like really positive about it. And then the last couple weeks, like two, three, really since like mid-Februar, I've been, like, real down. I think when the full season ended for everybody, everything kind of goes quiet for a little bit.

There's no football to watch. And then you know everyone's back in the gym and getting. Back in the gym, getting after it, and you're seeing it. And I've had some things go up and down with it. I don't be fine for August. But there's things that go great. And then there's some of them. Growing pains.

I hyper extend my knee or I slip. Swelling goes back up. I can't work my quad out. Like things happen. And it's like you go from feeling like invincible when I was 29, I'm 29 years old, never had injury. Never had surgery. Like I had my tonsils out when I was 22 and that was horrendous. Like, but other than that, this is the only thing.

Good for you. I'm always saying that because he's still injured. I can't run him maybe. You definitely could outrun me right now. It's super humbling to be put in this position. And I think it's such a crossroads. You hear the cliche YouTube videos all the time. Like, who are you when adversity strikes?

Like, I'm finding out I'm pretty fucking awesome. Like, I'm finding out shit's kind of going down. And I'm handling it. Like, I was telling him the other day, like, I've been low-key depressed for, you know, four or five weeks. Not consistent. Can't get out of bed type stuff. But like a couple days,

go by, I'll be in a great mood. Then one day I'll just be like, fuck is this, am I going to be healthy ever again? Am I going to be able to do this again? And you're like, you know, then you have a pity party for a little bit and you go in the next day and next day you're fine. But it's like,

it's tough, dude. And I remember watching dudes get hurt like in college and in the NFL. Imagine getting that before you sign a ticket or something. Yeah. Oh, dude, that was, I almost pulled out insurance the year before. I almost pulled that insurance for it because like, if you get hurt and loss of value,

like you go from making this much, then you make this much. Like, you'll never see that again. You've probably seen every situation on the man inside that locker room too. That's, oh, absolutely. The thing that's wild is, like, you see dudes go down, dudes get hurt, and it's like, man, that fucking sucks. Well, the next day, they're back to work.

I'm not thinking about buddy anymore who just tore whatever, broke this. And you see him every once in a while on the training table getting some work done. But other than that, like, you're in your zone. And so, like, I get hurt. And then you kind of think for a little bit, you're like, nobody's really thought about me in a while, huh? Everyone's kind of like doing their own shit. And you kind of realize, like, you're more alone than you think.

Piece of meat. Yeah, just a piece of meat, dude. And it's crazy. It's, uh, it's, it's, I mean, we're a commodity. We're a commodity. You know what I mean? But even with players, you've got your buddies and stuff like that, but like, you don't see the boys every day and the boys are working towards going to playoffs, getting the championship.

And you're like, once you're out of commission, like, you're not helping when's especially when they're on the road. That's when it's the worst. Yeah. Well, Derek, Derek went for 2000 this year, are running back. And it's like, that's a huge thing. Oh, I know. I saw you guys lose.

Yeah. He was a beast. He is a monster. He is a monster. I'm a Packers fan and I was happy for Rogers win the MVP, which I probably thought he should have won. Yeah. No?

Well, we actually had this conversation a while ago. Finish your thought on the road games being tough. So Derek was getting all the boys chains with like 2,000 something yards, whatever he got. And he's like, do you want to change? I was like, he's like, you're getting a chain. And I'm like, man, I played five games. I didn't feel like I deserved it, you know what I'm saying?

But Derek's a really good friend of mine on the team is like, you're getting it. He's a guy, like, checked on me all the time. And he just kind of feel weird, right? you get a gift and all the boys grinding it out for 16 games. It's like getting a Stanley Cup ring. You played one game in playoffs. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. When we FaceTime after the Houston game, were you stoked? I was extremely, yes. Well, not,

what, so the Houston game, we won the AFC South. The last game of the year, right? We clinched. Dude, it was so sick.

Oh, I was so happy for the boys. The locker room. Fucking guys. We were so accused. We had this, we called it up, right?

And so I phasedime, like, when we're all celebrating, you know, trying to get the boy in. I was kind of thinking of my head, like, I don't know if he's, you know, I'm sitting there and I'm like, we won. I want to call the boy, but I don't want him to be sad because I know it, like, also sucks. But I just need to call a boy because he's part of it.

No matter what, like, whatever happens or whatever it happens when he hangs up, like, he's a part of this. So I call, and we do the whole team meeting and stuff. And I just never really knew, like, you kind of hear people popping off the boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to hear you starting to notice that will show in me. And I'm smiling through it, dude, but in the back of my head, like, I was happy for the boys, but it just sucked down. being a part of it. It was a fucking bummer. Especially when I got to the Titans in 2014, we sucked. We were two and 14. We were trash. Like no, like, there were good dudes in the team,

but there's zero chemistry, zero camarader. And like, I've been on that team longer than anybody except for a punter. And so, like, you kind of work through it. Yeah. You see all these different people, these different gms come through. Yeah. And like, you're like, steady holding. And you're just, you, you like, help the boys get to a point. And then you get hurt and you see them go the farthest they did in a regular season. And, and, like, you're, you're just, you know, It'd fucking hurt, dude. That was a very emotional moment for me right after that, right after you call. So, uh, so did you get your chain yet?

I haven't got it yet. No, I don't know. I don't know if I can wear it. I kind of feel bad. Oh, is it very blinking? No, no, no. It's like, I don't know what he didn't send it to the boys yet. He said, uh, like, 2016 or 17, 17.

He set a franchise record for like 246 yards rushing against Jacksonville. And, uh, he got us all chains. And it was like a fat little medallion thing on there with like 248. What's he make? he makes like 12 or 14 a year. I was going to bring this up some of these guys spend it. Yes.

Oh my goodness. Some dudes get the fuck after. That's the difference. Derek makes so much money off the field though. Like if I said Derek makes 12 a year or 14 a year, what was his number? He makes me four, whatever's contract is.

I think he makes 14. He's got to make five to 10 off the floor. Yeah. So he's probably getting like Nike or Adidas money. He got a fat nightkees. Old spice. He got that fatty old spice deal. I don't know what it was,

but I just know it's fat because he had this sweet commercial. And Derek's, he gets a, all the boys, you know what I mean? Deodor and Ball spray. Yeah. Let's fucking go. Like, everything he gets like, look, he seems like it's free.

Like Derek has nice stuff, but he's not one of those dudes. I mean, when I said like a 30-year cat on a rookie deal with a Rolls Royce, I'm like, you guys, Oh, I know, man.

That's so tough to see it. That's one thing you don't see much in hockey is guys spending- showing it crazy, but you, yeah, you, I mean, I've everyone's seen the ESPN broke or whatever. Yeah, you get terrified of that. Yeah, I don't want to be that.

Oh, some of these dudes, yeah, strolling up in Lambo's, and it's just like, this guy's on the practice squad. What the fuck? Dude, I know. Hey, we had a guy like that. We had a guy like that who spent all his money. I'm not going to say his name.

I'm not going to sort of. So I think it was, is it Jared Allen the one who played for the Minnesota Vikings? Yeah. White Dier's, barbed wire tattooed his arm. He's supposed to be coming on the pod. Oh, so I imagine this guy's got a lot and ask him about this one. Because I want to say he opened up a restaurant in Scotts though when I was playing. It was a lodge.

Oh, exactly. So he used to own the lodge and then he opened up another one. I think it was called something, the elephant. But he was saying, during the lockout one year that I think he had like 10 or 15 guys on the team who had taken out hard money loans with him. Oh, no, really? That's, and I remember, remember when there was a lot of pressure when they were, I think the players

had to stand united to go against the owner regarding something. I think they were trying to get guaranteed contracts, but that's never happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I guess it could. The way that happens has seven quarterbacks first. He said, he said, most of these guys were living paycheck to paycheck.

Guys got to kind of lock out like y'all did. Yeah, just spend. ending it and he, I think he had about 10 to 15 hard money loans taken out from guys on his own team. You're lying. No, ask him about it. Ask him about it. You got to get it. Hey, there's a reason I wear this hat, man.

Maybe I'm full of shit. Listen, if I'm lying and he wasn't doing that, I'll burn this hat. I love that. I like that. I'm going to need that. You know, that would be, that would be, that's wild. I haven't heard of nothing like that. I mean, he might not be too thrilled.

I said this on here, but, no, too bad. Well, if it's not, if it's not true, then who cares? Yeah, then who cares? That's why you just say whatever you want. That's why I got such a big nose. It's all the lies I tell. You didn't bust it in, dude. No, I bet.

Ask him about the hard money loans he was given out. But that's, yeah, guys are living like crazy. They're bawling out. Before we go, talk about Pink Whitney. Oh, yeah. How did that shit happen? Number one, I've heard the story. Like, obviously, Witt, he likes pink lemonade with vodka.

Yeah. But talk about some of the details that went into getting some deal with New Amsterdam vodka. Like, would you guys go to this? So our podcast started popping off and New Amsterdam had signed a deal with the NHL. So they said, hey, like, why don't we try something, you know, new and maybe attach ourselves to this up and coming podcast? Because you could tell, like, a lot of the younger crowd was gravitating towards it. And on the first podcast, he said, tell them what you mix with your vodka.

Witt said, I mix penc lemonade in vodka on the golf course. And, you know, more and more people started sending it to us after he said that. And they were hashtag in Pink Whitney. my business partner was like, hey, like, this is happening a lot. A lot of people noticed it, including Erica and Gallo. We got together, made it. Do we ever think it would take on the mind of its own that it did? It's more people than just the hockey community drinking it.

We've sold 15 million bottles of this stuff in just over a year. And it's just like college kids love it. It's like girls are getting white girl wasted off of it. And yeah. And obviously the hockey community has taken a liking to it. And it's just pink lemonade. vodka. You might want to chill it. It's better chilled, but it's a shot. And I, you know, I'm very intrigued. He spits it out in my face. He's like, this is disgusting. I've seen a lot on. I love it. I drink it.

I mix it with, with hard seltzer sometimes. And we're, we're very grateful. And, you know, it's take, as I said, it's taken on a mind of its own and check it out, Pink Whitney vodka. And you guys maybe start your own whiskey at some point. Well, well, I was always talking about doing a whiskey or something. I'm a big tequila guy. Yeah, yeah, he's tequila. So here's the problem with tequila is everybody has started their own tequila. Yeah, dude. They got Rock. There's a lot of whiskeys, too.

Who's the other one? Well, Casamigos, of course. They kind of started the trend. Yeah. I think LeBron James has just started a tequila. There's a country band in Midland. They started, uh, insolitos. They started, it's a good tequila, but they started that.

Everyone's doing that a whiskey. George Strait started that code ago, which is a really good tequila. George Strait, I would, that's probably a bucket list guy for the pod, dude. Really? He's unbelievable. He is. Yeah. We like sells out.

stadiums and doing whatever. He just stands there and shums a guitar and sings his hard. I think a whiskey would be sick. I know. You're all about the whiskey. I know. I know. You hear me talk about all the time. We'll start both. Tequila and a whiskey. I really think we can do whatever we want him. We don't have a big following, but we got some loyal ass. Yeah, you do. We got some loyal ones for sure. Hey, keep crushing it. And I appreciate you guys having me on. And listen, as a fourth liner and a kind of guy who's on the outside looking in most of the time, I hope you get your contract. Head in knuckles. The boy. The boy.

How did that start by you, the boy? Are you the boy? I guess we're both the boys, man. It's a call, recall thing. Like, here's what happened. All right.

Because I can, I feel like I can, I can recall this. So I feel like sometimes you go a little, you'll get a little blank. So Taylor, when I was, when I came to Tennessee the first year,

we just obviously became boys. Right away. Yeah, like right away. Bond it over podcast shit, whatever, kind of billed buddies where we do recovery stuff together, work out together in the summer,

all that kind of stuff. Rub and tugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And matter of fact, that's when my knee and stuff was swollen up and my guy was there for me. And everything would be like, you know, the boys, like we'd have this little thing where we'd go work out and then we'd go to Whole Foods and eat. He'd have all the boys get a little gym stuff, gym session, the Wolfton. The boys will go get burgers afterwards at Whole Foods. Have a nice little day, a little boys day. And then like he'd go to the house. And when I'd go over to his house because I was just standing in like Candlewood Suites, this little ice hotel, which was all red lighted.

But when I go to his house, right when I walk in, it'd be like, the boy. Like, it would always be all the boys are here, the boys. Like, he would just always say the boys. And you would. And so, you know, I'm catching on. I'm all about, like, I knew the four of the boys stuff that was going on with like Barstool and like to hold the boys. Like, I'm like, yeah, I'm bought into having the boys day, all that type of shit.

So we just started saying it. Once we got in the training camp, we go in the cold tub before, hot tub before practice, cold tub after. And once you enter in, entered in any room. And you saw the boy, he back the boy. And then other teammates started to say, the boy. Like if I walk into a room and he'd walk in, Terry would be like the boy. And then Jayon would be next to me and back the boy.

Then you just yell at the boys. That's kind of like just scatter like turkeys fucking yelling at each other. And you kind of bonded over like in training camp together. And so it just kind of became like the boys. Like are you for the boys or not? And we kind of just did this whole stick on being for the boys. You're not for me. And then it like the vodka took on a mind of its own.

It kind of did. Yeah. You're busting with the boys. And we went. We started off. We started out that year strong. I mean, we didn't make the playoffs that year, but we were just always like the boys.

And the media would try and press us when we'd have bad games. Like, oh, somebody left the team as like, oh, is he necessary for the boys? Yeah, what was the guy's name? Sean Matthews. Yeah, it kind of just took its own little identity of being for the boys.

I want to say Barstle tried making a shirt talking about for the boys. And we were trying to make our own shirt and stuff and we were kind of at the time pissed that Barstle had made this Titans for the boys shirt. Yeah, when we tried to figure stuff out, like PMT like did a, said something, they had a conversation with Rable

or they started talking about a podcast of Rable did. And they wouldn't mention us. So I started going ham on them on a podcast. Because we had ours at the time. Yeah, yeah, we just started ours. And then Big Cat's like, all right, hey, listen, both from the boys' podcasts. We get it, Taylor, all right, whatever. And in my head, I'm like, if I could just keep pressing these dudes,

every time they talk about us, we're going to get more followers, right? They're up here. Yeah, of course. SCC versus D3. Yeah, exactly. That's what we were saying. So we start spouting off in them and then like not even 15

pods, 20 pods came in and they started calling us. Right, right, right, right. That's when all the conversations started to happen. Because Vraib talked about cutting his dick off for a Super Bowl. And that's when PMT was talking about. They went on his offensive tackles podcast. They didn't refer to me. They said, why not go on your defensive guys

podcast? Yeah, and I was literally a linebacker for Vrable. They're like, why wouldn't he go on his defensive guys podcast? But anyway, you talk about cutting his dick off, all football guy moved this and that. That's when Taylor started reaching out. Like, hey, you know, mention us, this and that. And yeah, that's how stuff started to kind of start to spin upwards for the now here we are here we are boys we did it we fucking made it in scottesdale

arizona well boys thanks for having me on um you know i i hope to one day get to uh tennessee to watch a game with you guys go let's go hey hey hey hey hey when we get on spinning chicklets oh we should we should we should do a collaboration you know what we should do you golf that's what i was wanting but i we started the podcast we shot the podcast with me saying i like to golf or did we start the podcast with me saying i didn't like well i mean if you say i was thinking the same thing i'm not I will 100% go out there and I'll swing a club, no problem. Well, what's your handicap? 76.

Okay, I'm not very good either. Yeah, okay. We'll play head-to-head. Listen, I have to win rapers up and down the whole course. We would definitely have to split because we're not. I enjoy God's six thousand. I enjoy Stogey, some music, and people who don't take golf serious. Okay, maybe we can think of another game.

We'll meet you guys in the middle. We'll play, we'll play for something else. And then we'll get together. We'll sit down and we'll do something like this with Witt. When does R.A. Where does Witt live? So I don't know how much I mentioned. in R.A. and Grinnell, but those are the two

other guys who have obviously been huge. Grinnell's a stuff. So is R.A. I just have. Yeah, Grinnell is a guy behind the scenes producing, running all the social. R.A. R.A. is this hardcore hockey fan who, to me, he's like the Forrest Gump. He's found his way into all these amazing events

including a lot of Stanley Cup. Kind of like Robbie with the UFC. Like Robbie, but more so like he would be celebrating in the Stanley Cup locker room and it would just be like R.A. getting a picture with like Chris Chelyos with the Stanley Cup and then being like, who the fuck is this guy? How do you fucking get in? So, yeah.

So it's just this weird, weird mix of amazing personalities and other than me, of course. But it's been great. It's been cool. So let's see. We got all link up and have some fun for sure. I'm down. All right. All right.

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