Bussin' With The Boys - Brian Callahan On Taking Over From Mike Vrabel + Expectations For Next Season

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

Recorded: May 16th 2024 | On this weeks episode, the boys have seen the comments, they have heard the outcry, and they have felt the disappointment. In this weeks intro, we bend the knee. Following the intro, Will and Taylor are joined by new Head Coach of the Tennessee Titans, Brian Callahan. The guys immediately get into what all went into the process of hiring his dad, Bill Callahan, as the Titans offensive line coach. It was a long debated topic between he and his father. Then the guys get into Coach Callahan's coaching journey, touching on all the spots he's been too, the most influential spots he's been at, and what his big break was. Coach then talks about what it was like becoming the head coach for the Titans. We all know that he is taking over from Vrabel and he touches on the things he wants to keep the same but also the different things that he and his staff will be implementing. The Titans seem to have found another great coach and Callahan gives something for all Titans to look forward to as he gives his expectations for the season as well. After this interview, you can't help but think that the Titans are in great hands, enjoy fellas. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 ERNTRO 2:04 Preview 13:30 Missing 2 Bears 18:15 COACH BRIAN CALLAHAN INTERVIEW STARTS 18:55 Working With His Dad 28:36 Coaching Journey 34:54 Coaching Manning, Stafford And Burrow 47:20 The Draft War Room 53:24 Comparing Will Levis 56:11 Implementing Culture 1:06:43 Rookie Shows 1:09:42 Taking Over The Titans 1:16:22 Joe Burrow Injury 1:25:24 Derrick Henry Negotiation 1:26:49 Tier Talk 1:33:09 Hilarious Dad Stories 1:44:55 Expectations For JC Latham And Treylon Burks 1:54:20 Twisted QOTW 1:59:05 This NFL SeasonFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We now, for the second time, have a Titans head coach on. Brian Callahan joins us on the bus an hour and 40 minutes of him just talking ball, talking shop. Jack McPherson, maybe had the best question of the entire episode is, are you going to bring back the pain train? And those of you who have sat in Nissan Stadium before the last two years

and have got the opportunity to see a game and see on the big screen, Terry Tate office lineback. And then Johnny Cash slowly following that, know exactly who he's talking about. So hopefully those whispers, those words get in his little brain. And he is able to tell the entertainment staff, we need to bring that back to Nissan Stadium every single day. One thing, if you don't have in your life, you need to bring it back in your life. That is the Chevy Silverado. And this podcast, Buston with the boys is presented by the Chevy Silverado.

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with the boys. when our show started, Mike Ravel was the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. And as a player who just signed a contract, who will, you know, first year with the Titans, you really don't know how the Titans feel about having now a public platform for people to go, listen to and enjoy this. There's probably a lot of red flags in the back of their head. What if they talk about scheme? What if they talk about in the building stuff?

Stuff that kind of when you have a family, you keep them within the family. You don't want it going out. That's how every professional collegiate organization works. And Mike Vrable comes on our show and has an incredible time with us, truly giving us a stamp of approval saying, it's okay, you guys are having this by him just coming on. In that conversation,

the infamous question of would you cut your dick off for a Super Bowl comes up. And he says, been married for 30 years. Why not? Now, we know what happened that year in 2019. The boys went to the AFC championship game. Before that game, Mike Vrable said it was a joke,

and we lost against the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead. Now, I'm not saying Mike Vrable is the reason why we lost the Super Bowl, but if you do the math, Mike Vrable is the reason why we lost the Super Bowl by losing you to the Chiefs by going back on his promise of cutting his dick out. So that question, if you're wondering to Brian Cahillan, is asked on this very podcast. Boys, I'm so excited about this one.

I'm excited about rekindling a relationship with the Titans. Ran is now going to come on the bus as well that is going to be on next week. It is very cool to see the roots, new regime kind of coming together, and for all of us to really enjoy it, because it's a very special episode to all of us. We do a twisted question. What else do we do, Mitch? What else do we kick off in that thing? We talk about the quarterbacks that he's had. We've had, he's at Matthew Stafford, he's had Peyton Manning, he's had Joe Burrow.

And there was one more sneaky boy in there that was like, oh, shit, he's really had a lot of quarterbacks. Was there another one I'm not thinking of? What do you say? You talk about Jake Browning. Jake Browning, which it's an interesting thing. Joe Burrow goes down. Jake Browning goes in. The Bengals don't just completely fall off a cliff,

and all of a sudden Callahan gets himself a head coaching job to Browning. He kind of feels like that might be shitting on him a little bit. We go over all that stuff. We talk about all the new additions that Titans have brought into their organization with veteran-wide receivers. Literally, Will Levis has so many weapons around him now to be successful, even looking at the defense, getting sneed from Kansas City who was an all-pro guy with a Super Bowl ring on his finger,

that type of leadership. There are a lot of things to look forward to in Nashville, Tennessee, this upcoming fall. The boys are so slept on. You look at a lot of these power rankings. I think Bleacher Report put these boys around like 28, 29, even 30. A couple of I've seen of these smaller pages have been putting the Tennessee Titans at 32. If I told you, hey, we got a team with Calvin Ridley, D'Andre Hopkins, Tony, Pollard, a top 10

pick at left tackle. We have a top 10 pick or a top 15 pick at left guard. We have a center that we pay $50 million to. We have a top first round pick who's going to find him his way in the slot. Chig, a tight end who's on the up and coming. You have a lot of studs out there. Tyler Boyd coming over from the Bengals. If I told you just that small little snippet, would you say these boys are going to put points

the board. That's just the offense. That's just the offense. Not to mention Jeffrey Simmons, who, you know, your boy and him, we've had our back of force. I can say what I want about Jeff. However, he's a hell of a football player. He's an absolute stud. You get the Outland Trophy winner from the University of Texas, Longhorns. He is now the second round pick. The man literally is quoted saying, if I don't, if I can just lose weight, I'll be a Hall of Famer. And knowing Big Jeff how he likes to verbally abuse people in the building, and I'm saying that as a compliment, this kid's going to find his way into giving effort. Otherwise, Jeff's not going to have it happen.

Arden Key, who's got enough personality that Callahan goes over. He's a stud. Came over from Jacksonville. I already talk about Sneed a little bit. They're looking to add another veteran safety in the mix, but you also have Hooker. If hooker stays healthy. The only downfall of Titans I see this year is injuries. If they're able to get the monkey off their back of having, you know, a hundred, whatever

injuries and 89 guys playing and setting records, if they're able to stay away from that situation and keep these boys healthy and ready to play a week in and week out, we've got a true team that could possibly win the AFC South this year, boys, and beyond. And I know I'm a homer, I know I'm biased, I know we have other people coming in that are fans of other teams going, Taylor, you're a psychopath, you're a lunatic.

I'm just telling you, boys, there was a lot to be excited about in Nashville, Tennessee. Now, we're going to give them a game or two, right? We've got to feel it out. They're playing the Chicago Bears week one. And as we get into week three or four, we need to start seeing Nissan Stadium packed, sold out, getting loud and proud.

I don't want to see fall starts from the office. on the opposing team. That's how you know that your fan base is making a big impression on the game itself. That is a big deal. Time will tell. We will see. But where I sit right now in the middle of May, I'm looking around and I'm seeing a lot to be proud of for the two-tone blue in Nashville, Tennessee. It's an exciting time. Yes, Mitch. The over under for their wins is six and a half before this interview. I may have taken the under, but after this interview, like, how can you not take the over on that? I do. I know. The only question mark, and it's crazy to say to in my mind other than the health thing is will levis will levis showed how insane he can be

his ability to take hits step into throws of pressure in his face put just dots all over the field the guy can make every single throw now he's got all the pieces and it really is can will levis elevate from year one to year two and have full 17 games if he can do those things like i said a lot of exciting shit is going on in Nashville, Tennessee. Me personally, we can't guarantee you, right? This is a Draft Kings podcast. I suggest you guys go over to Draft Kings right now. Me personally, this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to take that over. Six and a half wins is not crazy. The only thing that's going to kill these boys is injuries. That to me is a bet I feel very comfortable about making a ride-offrey I'm done with this episode. I will be doing that today. If you're a real Titans fan, you take them winning the division like I did, 1,200 odds.

I actually took it two days prior to Calvin Ridley getting signed, and I got a lot of high hopes, as I always do. What were the odds when you took that bet? Plus 1,200, maybe 1,300. How much you put on it? 500. That boy cooking out there, huh? Come on.

Now, I would love to hear this from you, Jackie, because if those of you who truly follow us with the boys in our tier ones and consume all of the insane amount of contact that we put in a weekend and a week out, which we appreciate you doing, Please subscribe and rate five stars if you have an opportunity to be a friend, tell a friend, get those things out there. When Mike Vrable was fired, Jack McPherson was on Suey Watch. He was like, we've now just gone back 10 years, we're dead, like a true fan would, right?

You're not just staying even keeled. You're riding that roller coaster. You're ticking all the way up. And that was a dramatic fall for our boy. Now, fast forward four months, you're sitting in a whole different position, aren't you, Jackie? Oh, hell yeah. I'm on the Cali train now. On the Cali train, Coach Callie.

I believe. He seems like a great. guy seems like even better coach. It's fun. You know, this is a fun city to be a coach and be a part of a system like this. We've got great fans, good people. The only downfall is in Nashville is like the perfect three-day weekend town. So any big market team we play, you know, the boys load up the truck, Chevy Silverado,

they drive to Nashville over three days. They party all weekend and our fair weather fans will sell them tickets. So we need a call to action for real fans to not be selling their tickets. and go to games, even if we're 2 and 14 and it's raining. Fucking show up because it's all we have. 2 and 14 is that a callback to 2014? Maybe. But I was there too.

It's a sad time for us, man. Yeah, but it's supposed to be a beautiful season. And I believe in Cali, and I believe in Ran as well. And we'll love us. I believe in all of the two-tone balloon. I'm wearing it all today. And not even by, that's just an accident because we live and die by us. That's your closet, dude.

It's literally, it's just Titans gear. and, I mean, Mitch is wearing my shirt right now. It's Titans gear and weird t-shirts. That is a cool, that is a cool t-shirt. I do really enjoy that. You're not going to. You're not going to keep it. You forgot it.

You didn't even know the gear for too much. Yeah, I told you, I have a lot of cool t-shirts. I don't know. No chance. For those of you don't know, Jack McPherson, I'll tell you a little piece of him. Jack is, everywhere we go, Jack, we're mistaken for family, for brothers in one sense or another. Every place I go with Jack, if we're in a Buckees or we're in, Vegas or in Alabama.

And there's an apparel store with wacky t-shirts. Jack McPherson is going to find his way in there and sneak away with one or two shirts. 100%. I have way too many clothes. I honestly might do a little garage sale. A little spring cleaning. Yeah, I need to. I should probably just donate them, but I don't know.

I just have way too many t-shirts. I have an entire room because Garrett used to live with me in my house. And then he moved out. So it was an empty room at her house. And the room is literally just full of T-shirts. shirts. And I mean, I don't need them. So you could donate, but why help the community when you can just make a couple bucks, right? Uh, breaking news. The boy Robert Tunyon has just signed with the Vikings. And you're hearing this on Tuesday. This actually happened five days ago.

So five days ago. So not so breaking, but congrats wrong. I know, man. And listen, the reason why we're shooting this show shout out Rob Tunian. He's a boy. He's been a part of the podcast. He obviously does tie in you. He's well integrated in the Nashville community. and you know and now he's just signed with the viking which is incredible the reason why this episode is being shot five days prior is because your boy's an idiot me not will your boy taylor is an absolute idiot um we got a call from two bears which is a great podcast hosted by tom sigura and burke crecher they wanted us to fly to austin and shoot a podcast with them which is awesome anytime you can collaborate with another podcast especially as big as them it's an

absolute honor. I hit my wife up. Say, hey, Monday, what date is that? The 21st? I don't know. We'll just say it's the 21st. Monday, the 21st, blah, blah. Can we, am I free to fly to Austin, Texas? And then after that, I'm going to fly to Charlotte to do a podcast with somebody else, which I'm not going to say now, because I don't know if we want to give out that information, but then fly back to Nashville, Tennessee on Tuesday. She goes, he had no problem. Well, your boys in the sauna, and I get an email from my daughter's school. And, bro, this might be a dad hat moment. They're having kindergarten graduation on a Monday,

which I don't know about those of you, the boomers out there, the millennials that are my age, 32, 33, 33, 34 years old. I don't remember at my school, Aztec elementary in Arizona, I don't remember us having a kindergarten graduation. That's crazy to me.

What's even more crazy, because I did talk to the boys, but they're like, hey, that's actually a pretty normal thing. What's nuts to me is we have kindergarten graduation on Monday and then, hey, we'll see you at school still, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. They still have a full week of school before they go to summer break. That's insane to me because I know the last day of school was Friday.

However, your boys and idiot, I committed to go to two bears. Now I can't go to two bears. Will Compton is still going to do two bears, which bums me out from a personal standpoint because those boys are a great time. It's obviously massive for the brand and it's also massive for personally. Just getting with those boys. You guys seeing different audience seeing our personalities. that's just how this shit cooks, right?

If we're cooking up a nice little meal, that's a great ingredient to dust in there. I'm excited for Will. I'm super bummed out for me. Now, Will's actually in the other building right now. He's got a raspy voice anytime you raise it an octave above an eight. He has a problem with the voice. He gets raspy.

He gets rasping the old throat. We have a podcast later today, which is going to come out in two weeks that I need my boy to save his voice for. So here I am diving on the sword, talking to you beautiful people, saying, hey, I fucked up. Will gets the benefit, and I feel bad for myself.

If you feel bad for me, let me know in the comments. If you don't feel bad for me, also let me know in the comments. Your boy's a big boy, I can take those kinds of hits. Now, Callahan, do we have any segments that we need to hit before I let these amazing people who are obviously subscribing, unsubscribing, and resubscribing to the Callahan podcast? No, I think we're good. We already did twisted with him, so I am thankfully off the hook this week.

But next week... This is my twisted question. I'll be back and please send me your twisted question. I'll shout you out on the pod. I need help. Don't send like dick questions. I think we need like, it doesn't have to be about like,

would you rather have a dick for a face or like, you know. Ever since the Tom Brady roast, white guys have really gotten found out. We need, like the best question we had was, would you rather hit all red lights or have, or hit all green lights or have the closest parking spot? Questions like that,

like real world, those are the tough ones. Those are the really good ones. And we're still green lights, right? Huh? Are you guys green lights? lights or you guys parking spots?

100. That, that's the best question. If you choose parking spot, you're literally dumb in the head. I don't mind. That's all I need to hear. If he doesn't fully agree with you,

Mitch is admitting he's dumb. Yeah, I mean, there's no parking lot on planet earth that is big enough to use to park close enough where you are missing every red light. I mean, you're skipping, like today alone,

the freeway was backed up by East. I could have got to work on. seven minutes faster, I would park across the street still. Not a big deal. Not a big deal. And it's not like if you don't, if you get all green lights, you have the worst parking spot ever. You're still going to have the luck here and there of getting that front parking spot.

I feel like I've nuts. Like parking isn't that big of an issue. Like I feel like parking used to be an issue back in the day. Don't overthink the best answer because that is the best answer. Now, let's get into the episode. Do I need to read this ad before I do it? We've already read this one, right? Ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy the head.

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Yeah. Oh, that's it. Humble beginnings. Before we, before we jumped on here, we were on the other side talking about Coach Bill Callahan's individual. Yes.

And Taylor was asking, Coach Brian. Did I call you Coach Brian? Or did they call you Coach Callahan? Coach Callahan. You want to know what most of them called? Most of them call me Cali. Cali?

Yeah. Okay. That's got a little extra English on it. I like that. That is nice. It's what most people have called me most of my coaching career. Yeah. And, but yeah, Coach works.

Cali works. All right. Brian's weird. People don't call me Brian very often. That's a weird one for me. Okay. Mr. Callie,

it is then. Yeah. Taylor was talking to Cali about the individual of coach Brian Callahan. And I was like, oh, yeah. Sometimes in our individual linebacker drills in Washington, I'd be like, all right, water break. And then we'd be like, let's go watch the, let's go watch the hogs is Indian.

We'd just stand across the field and watch them. They'd just be dying. The whole time. It's so funny, bro. God. He's a, Coach Callan's a grinder. He gets it out of you.

Coach Bill Callahan. Yeah, Coach Bill Callahan. Yeah, absolutely. What was, go ahead. I was just going to say, whatever time frames that you get, with any constraints, you're juicing as much all the seconds, you're getting it out of the voice. Has he been like that always, as long as you can remember?

Yeah, always. He's always been full tilt all the time. And that's how you get, I mean, that's how guys get better. I mean, like we were watching yesterday, I think they might have done 40 or 50 different pass sets. And they film every one of them and he cuts every one of them up to each guide. So you could watch all your reps for the whole day and see how you progressed during a day and got better. But yeah, it's every usable second he uses.

It doesn't ever stop. What's his philosophy on pass sets? Because a lot of coaches come in. They're like, we do it one way and one way only. Is he let the guys, the boys do what they want? Well, he coaches the technique that he's looking for. But there's a lot of variance in the set, the set angles. If you're jump setting versus a, we call it a Congo set versus an angle set, there's all kinds of variation that they use all the time.

and there is some for like he that's one of the things that I think he does great is he's able to have a conversation with a guy maybe that's played 10 years and say well how have you done it and find ways to work with them on what fits as long as they're still getting the job done yeah he's open to listen and the guys talk but he's a very particular way about how he coaches it dude that's that's that's so awesome how the old dogs yeah are willing to still learn and do all that because you get like some of those old old school cats they'll come in and be like you do it this way and this way only one guy have you remember Russ Grimm? I have not met him. I know him, but I don't, I can't say that. I know him well. I was with Russ for two years. Greatest offensive line coach I've ever had in my entire life.

Yeah. And he comes in the first meeting and he's like, talk to me about stutter. I don't know if he has to stutter open, open side pull scheme. And I'm like, okay, if it's a three technique, you deuce to the mic. And if not, then you're this. He's like, whoa, doce or through the mic. That's it. I was like, all right, what step?

He's like, just get to the mic or do the deuce. And he just like, instead of having to over explain every small detail, He was like, just know what your job is and go get that done the best way you can possibly do it. And I'll help you along the way. And he was huge for my career. Yeah, keep it simple, stupid. Yeah. There's something to do that.

Yeah. There's something to do that. It's, I think the cool thing for, like, old coaches, like my dad's not that old, I guess, but he's kind of old enough. He's older. Yeah. He's old gentleman. And what's been super impressive about him is his ability to go from like being that old, like the old school style of coaching. And he's really adapted how he approaches.

today's players. I mean, it's different now even than when you guys played coming in. I mean, you think about 10 years ago how much different the generation is and his ability to relate to those guys and still connect with them and coaches him hard as hell, but they all know that he cares about him. No one, knowing that you've seen him kind of adapt and develop with those times, is there anything that you've asked him on like, you know, noticing that difference and him understanding that he has changed? Yeah, I think there's a, and I think one of the things that jumped out was, you know, they drafted DeWan James last year in Cleveland. And it was just, he's just a very different than the guys that he's been on.

And a long time ago, he might have coached DeWan a very different way. And ultimately, it might not have worked very well. And just to see him adapt and know that maybe the way that I'm approaching this, DeWan's not going to respond to me yelling and screaming and get in his face. I got to be, it's positive and encouraging and trying to point out that these are the things that can help you. and if you want to make a lot of money, here's how you do it. Right. And he appeals, he knows how to appeal to guys a lot of different ways.

He knows the motivations. I think, I mean, he's a master coach. He's got every way to relate that you can relate in the book. And I ask him all the time. What made you do that? Why did you do that in this case and not that case? It's because he knows the player and he knows how to make it work. When you get this job at the Tennessee Titans and you call your old man,

say, I want you to be the old line coach for my ball club. How did that all go down? It was cool. The backstory is I interviewed for two jobs the year before that had gone, oh, well, a ways down the road. I felt like I was in the mix and I had a conversation with him and I said, you know, do we want to do this? I've never worked for my dad.

I never worked for him at any point. There had been some chances where we might have connected on staff together. I just never worked out. So I've never spent any time with him in the coaching profession. And so I asked him this question a year ago, and he was like, no, I don't think I want to do that. Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, you think about.

I'm trying to picture his voice, too. Yeah. But you think about, you know, there's a lot that goes into Father Einstein working together. And this is the first time that I think a son has ever hired their father in a substantial role like that. You know, it's like, Kyle Shanahan, Mike's always been around, but he never hired him in an official. Like, it wasn't like Mike Shanahan was Kyle's coordinator. Right. If that makes sense. It's kind of a really unique setup.

And so, you know, we had to work through all those things. Like, my dad's like, I'm not for everybody. What if you don't like the way I code? You know what I mean? And you have to have those conversations. And so we did. And ultimately, he was like, I just think I really like Cleveland. I like Kevin Stefanski.

And I'm happy here. I like the guys in the room. I don't really want to leave. I understand. And so I kind of just assumed that was going to be the case as this process went along. And so as I interviewed, I was everybody asked, like, well, you know, was your dad coming with you. I'm like, no.

He's not. I mean, we had the conversation. It's probably not going to happen. And I didn't think it would. And all of a sudden, I get the job. And I call him and tell him I got it. And he calls the next day. And he's like, let me think about some things.

And I'll call you back. Hold on. I was like, okay. You call them, say, I got the job. Bill's negotiating at this. No, no, I mean, that initial conversation was like, absolutely thrilled. We didn't have it in that moment.

Yeah, yeah. But you know, yeah, you guys have a conversation. Hey, I got the job. I'm proud of you, son. Tears in both. of your guys' eyes. Sure. Absolutely.

The next day he calls you and without any context goes, let me think about coming to help you out. Yeah. I love that. It was. That is awesome. And I think it just became much more real for him in that moment. And I think had it been the year prior, I think the answer still would have been no. But having it happened in real time and him going, man, this is what a unique opportunity to go try to help my son succeed.

And I think I'd want to be a part of that. And so I'll go have my press conference and we were kind of talking back and forth. And after the press conference, he was like, this is, I want to make, I want to do this. We need to do this. It'll be, it'll be really pretty fun. And it's been maybe the coolest experience of my coaching careers to be able to go to work with my dad every day. It's been pretty sweet. Dude, you had an incredible, like, presser when you're talking about coaching with your dad.

Like, there's a lot of perspective, a lot of just like, you can tell when you say that, like, you genuinely mean it. Oh, yeah. Was there a reason that you guys, that you guys were never on the same staff? Is there something about, say maybe yourself, where it's like, hey, I don't want be known this way. I don't want to feel like I get any handouts from somebody who's already been there, done that. Yeah, all of that's true. One of the things I had finished, my dad was at Nebraska at the time. I was just finishing my playing career. And he goes, he said, you look,

you can come to Nebraska and you could be a GA here for me. If you want to do that, I have a spot, you can come do that. He goes, but what I would recommend to you is you've been at UCLA for four years. You know the people there, you know the place. They have also said, we'd love to have you in this role if you want to come when you graduate and do be a GA here at UCLA. And my dad was like, I really think you should stay at UCLA. And like, in that moment, I was like, like, damn, dad. Like, but the best advice he had ever given me was he goes, start and make, make your own way. He goes, it's already, you're already going to get all these, you know, all the nepotism

and all stuff that goes around coaching where it's like, he goes, but you, I didn't give you your first job. And he goes, that will matter at some point for you. And I want you to make your own way. and make your own connections and meet your own people that can help you as opposed to me being the one to do it. And I think that was the best advice you could have given me. And it probably was the best thing that happened to me was not going to work for my dad and staying where I was. At any point, were you guys close to working together in the past? No, nothing that came up. You know, when we first got to Cincinnati, there was some, there was a chance that maybe it could have worked out.

But it's Zach's first job. And he wants to hire the people that he wants to, that he wants to. wanted to hire and it never got it was never more than like a curiosity like I wonder if that would work and it just he was still in Washington at the time and it was all he was again happy where he's at he's got a good line there it was no big deal so it never never went any further than a curiosity but it no we've never been really close at any point to working together which is kind of crazy to think yeah talk about how you cut your teeth into the business being a GA at UCLA and moving on from that role. Yeah.

Typical GA stuff, man. I made coffee and got people food and worked long hours. And we had a really good staff there at UCLA, which someday someone will write a story about it. But Eric Banyman was the running backs coach. John Embry was our tight ends coach. Dino Babers was the receivers coach. Tom Cable was the offensive coordinator. Jim Sabota was a quarterback's coach.

we had all these guys that all went on to be head coaches, you know, within a certain period of time and a really dynamic staff. All these. And so I got to learn from all these guys as a really young coach, which is probably a huge reason of why that experience was so good for me. But, man, it's a grind. GA life is not for everybody. And back then, that was, you only had two GAs that could be on the field. And so it was like it was two or three guys that did everything. Now you have all these analysts and there's all this different stuff that they didn't have back then.

And by rule, you couldn't have anybody else. Couldn't legally have anybody on, but. Depends on where you went. Not at UCLA. Not at UCLA, I can guarantee you that. Really? Oh, yeah. Full followers of the Bruins, huh?

Yeah, it was me. In fact, the GAs there were me, Clark Lee, head coach at Vanderbilt. Ryan Ficken, who's been in the NFL for quite some time as a special team's coordinator, and Phil Raucher, who's the line coach at the Jags. And so it was a bunch of guys, like, we were all young coaches, and we've all had these pretty good careers, but that was all we had. And we had to do every, we did everything. Really?

I mean, operation stuff. Griding all the tape, breaking it all down. Breaking all the tape down before all the PFF data got supplied to everybody. I mean, you had to break down the down and distance. You didn't know what personnel was in the feel like you couldn't see the jersey numbers because the tape wasn't an HD. It's just a whole different way of doing things than it is now. But it was a lot of work.

It was hard. So UCLA didn't look over at the SEC and go, you know, they got a lot of guys over there. Maybe we should do a couple of things too. No. rule followers. I like that. Yeah, yeah. We, or they just didn't have the, you know. It is a public university.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, but UCLA is a nice area. It's Pasadena. For sure, but as far as like calling the shots, the big wigs, like, hey, football over everything, we'll find a way. Yeah. Very academically driven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Not every school can do both, like Michigan. It is, you're right.

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Let's get back to this episode with Coach Brian Callahan, beg hugs, tiny kisses. You brought up a PFF. What's your stance on PFF's rating system? I think there's value in a baseline. Like, there is some things that you can look at it, and there's a number that they assigned to, particularly to some positions that are really hard

like the average person to have any idea of what is good and bad. But as far as like, is it the end all, be all in the grading system? Not at all. I mean, it's, you got to watch the game. You have to understand assignments. And they've gotten better. I will say, like, the grading system has gotten better over the years. They've refined it. I use it more for some of the, just the amount of data that they have. I can go, let me see every screen from every team for the last four years and I can pull them all up and watch them all. Yeah. And that's where the value and that is for me. The grades, I don't really, you know, I don't really put a whole lot of stock in the grades.

It feels like they'll probably use the grades, like, have that there. And then obviously, every team does their own. And then I'm sure that they can turn the dress a little bit. Yeah, there's a benchmark. I mean, it does give you, it is a halfway accurate depiction of what a, what a good and bad might look like. You know what I mean? Yeah, if it's cut and dry, but the gray areas, I feel like is where PFF, because they're not there with the language of the play call and what the exact technique is supposed to do. Taylor needs it more.

I don't hate PFF at all. But there was a, like, there was a time where players, players in the locker room and the Titans were, like, kind of worried that if their PFF grade was bad, that teams and coaches were looking at that. Do coaches look at the PFF grade ever and go, hey, no, no, no. Maybe we should, maybe we're doing something wrong? No, I don't think so. I've never looked at it like that. Yeah. I've not been around anybody that ever has used that as like, that's our grade for a player. You still grade a player, watch the tape and understand what's being asked systematically as well. other than just hey this guy graded at a 82.6 like I don't know what that means but that's a good number if you got the 82.6

yeah it's a solid number you wouldn't be so mad about it right yeah no doubt no doubt it would be the time where you feel strongly about PFF but then you grade out well so then it's like all right where are you going to stand you know what I mean like say you hate PFF

but they're getting you're 95 it's like well I mean I did have a situation they might be honest something yeah yeah I had a situation in 2016 team where they were grading me well and then paul cariskey and the the group of the titans and news guys were like how do you feel about that i i took a stance then there they don't they don't run the show yeah they don't run the show big quickly my grades went down so i don't know yeah that's where they might be something yeah might be a little bit of ticking over there at pf yeah with your

throughout your coaching journey you've been at some cool spots which spot or stop that you've been at has you feel like has been the most pivotal for where you are now um kind of all all for different reasons have been really, really influential. The two of the most are my time in Denver with Peyton Manning for four of those six years I was there. And then the journey in Cincinnati from where we started to where we ended up. Those two spots are probably the most because they're the longest days I had. They were the most influential. Obviously being around Peyton Manning for any amount of time is a blessing in another itself.

But yeah, that was like a Ph.D quarterback. We grow him here at the bus. The fly that keeps flying around. We do fly farming. Look, you don't have any cicadas in here yet. I know. They're everywhere out here. Dude, watching Peyton in that last year where you necessarily couldn't throw it beyond five, ten yards.

What was it like sitting back? Well, confidence words. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd say it. Well, watching him operate from being more limited than he ever has. Yeah. It was really, it was a wild year because we had just transitioned from, in a Gary Kubiak was the head coach. and they brought that whole system, which was vastly different from the one that he had run for the better part of 18 years at that point.

And so there was a big back and forth there. He had gotten injured that year and missed a bunch of time. And then came back for the playoffs at the very end. Brock Oswald, I think, had thrown a couple interceptions and they replaced him at halftime right at the very end of the season and like a must-win game against the Chargers. And then he ended up playing the playoffs. It was just it was a roller coaster season. It was a lot of ups and downs. but what the cool part was you saw

what made him so great was his ability to process and know what to do and when to do it in the moment. Like it was unbelievable. And even with a diminishing physical skill set, he wasn't what he was when he was in his 20s, it was unbelievable what he pulled off

with his brain and just being able to know what to do with the football. Yeah. What's he like watching at practice? Like I've had teammates who have played with him. They're like, you know, if a tight end drops a ball, he'll take the, he'll remove the tight end. Even if you're back there like, oh, no, get back out there.

The sheriff's like, no, no, give me somebody else who's going to catch the ball and be dependable in these moments. Like, what was he like watching operator. That's what it was. It was a standard. And it's actually funny we're having a conversation today about guys that are like, that get to that point in their careers that have the peltz on the wall and the experience. But on top of that, the pressure.

You know, the expectation is that they're going to win every game. Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Drew Breed. those guys get to a certain point in their career where they don't allow anything other than what the highest standard is possible. And if you don't meet it, you're not going to be playing with them. And that's how he operated. And I appreciated that because he's got all the pressure. I got to do my part. And if I'm going to do all this, then I'm going to make sure that everybody around me is at the same level that I am.

And I thought that was a really cool thing to witness in person. but that's how it would be. If you missed an assignment, he was particularly ruthless on, like, running backs and protection. And he had to be able to trust him to do because he didn't, you know, I don't want to get hit. Right. And if they missed an assignment, it was like, give me the next one.

Or like, if he's coming in to the game, I'll come out. You know, like, yeah. It was that intensity. And the expectation was. If he's coming into the game, Coach Callie, you don't put him in the game, I'll be out. Yeah. Yeah. If I see him coming on the field, you'll see me walking off.

Yeah. So that part was just, it's just a demand. of the standard of what you expect every day. And it was awesome. And again, everybody rose to meet it. You know, we had young players, and Eric Decker and Demeris Thomas and C.J. Anderson. I mean, we had some guys that were unproven at the time that he helped make what they became. And it was a really cool process to be a part of, man.

He's unlike anybody I've ever been around. What's it like with the coaches during practice when he's sending a guy away and the coach is like, no, you're in? And there's like this kind of this battle of egos between the sheriff. and a coach is it get uncomfortable at all is there like in the meeting room like this fucking guy you know who's calling the shots yeah can we can be honest about it yeah we can absolutely yeah it's it's it's if if he doesn't want a man he's not going to be in whether coaches aren't saying a word like yeah yeah you're probably right 18s that i mean that's just what that's just what it was and that's why and you and you and it wasn't like that all the time but like there was there was

a standard and if you didn't meet it the expectation was that you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there playing with them. But that's also what drove guys to be even better than they thought they could be was because they wanted to be a part of it. And they wanted to be in that mode. They wanted to be counted on. And it's amazing what happens when you got a guy making sure that you better do it right or you can't be counted.

It drives you to be great, truthfully. So you had Peyton Manning and then you go to Cincinnati and you get blessed with Joe Cool, Joe Burrow. Yeah. Even the staff in Detroit. I was to say the two years in Detroit were phenomenal. know. Slingers.

God, Matthew is, talk about an underrated, man. Like, I think he's one of the best quarterbacks in football and has been for a long time. And I think he finally gets his due, but there was a while there where he didn't. And he might be one of the toughest players I've ever been around. And one of the most crazy, talented quarterbacks that I've seen play. I mean, he's unbelievable. That clip of them in like a two-minute drive to win the game.

And he, like, gets his shoulder out or something like that. And he's on the sideline. Like, you know, I can play. his career yeah yes that was like just one of the cooler things you see a quarterback do because he's like hurt and he's like all do it and he throws a touchdown the game's over they win he's like shoulders bro i think it was bro i think it was bro i think he broke his collarbone no shit yeah i think yeah i think that's what it was if i remember correctly yeah but yeah he's uh you want to talk about i mean you guys know the things that guys play through that people don't know about uh is it would it would

be shocking i think uh if people knew what guys dealt with during a football season and the things that he played through and the toughness that he had it was it might be the toughest guy I've ever seen I mean truthfully he's really oh yeah he is he is hard-nosed tough as all get out and he's an awesome guy to be around I don't know how much time you guys have spent with him but I never I don't think I met him he's phenomenal you just hear you hear the stories just like that yeah why do you think he was still underrated for so long just because the playoff they didn't win yeah they didn't win enough you know it and that's again it's a the wins tend to become a quarterback stat, which they probably shouldn't be.

But he was on teams that were probably on the brink and could never quite get over that hump. And then obviously he goes to L.A. And he's been lightning on fire since every time. I mean, he's been unbelievable there. Win's a Super Bowl. Although, like, he's finally, I think getting his due as a player. But he was that player before he got to L.A.

He just didn't probably get the recognition for it. And then you get Joe B. Yes. Yeah. You've been around some cats. I've been very lucky. The Peyton Manning, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow, what are the similarities that all three of those guys have?

And then you talked about a little bit on the way that staff was, Peyton was, and then also some differences with Joe B. Yeah, I think it was very different because Peyton was obviously going in, I think when he came to Denver, that was like year 15. When I was with Matthew, I think Matthew was going into like 7, 8, 7, 8, 9, 10, somewhere he had been playing for a couple of years. and then having Joe is different as Joe was a rookie. Obviously, highly regarded and his reputation preceded him when he got drafted, but he was still a rookie.

And so that was a really fun process to try to help that development from being a rookie. And as you guys know, rookies are, no matter how good they are, still takes some time. But to see him become everything that we thought he could become and he knew he could become was pretty awesome. And that's because he shares a lot of the same traits that Peyton and Matthew have in terms of there's just an edge to the, there's just something about those guys. And you know it when you see it, where they just don't accept anything other than the best. And there is no such thing as failure. Like they do not, they won't fail. They can't fail.

And there's a willpower in that, I think. That's kind of the baseline of who they are. And then there's a drive to be the best there is. Yeah. And then he has the ability to deliver on it, which is pretty cool. Very different personality than Peyton and Matthew. They're all very unique, but they share that commonality where they're at their core. They are assassins.

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For new customers to get a no-sweat bet up to $1,500. if your first bet doesn't hit. Only on draft kings, the crown is yours. Sorry, I'm a little tired today, but let's get back to this episode. When did you, when Joe walks into the Bengals franchise, and you say it takes rookies, doesn't matter how good they are, takes them a little bit of time, when did you know, okay, we got the franchise quarterback? Probably about halfway through that first year, where you're still kind of figuring some

things out. Obviously, it's a COVID year, so it's even more challenging. So he has no offseason. we don't have any OTAs. It's all virtual. God, imagine picking up a playbook. Yeah. That'd be so hard.

And then there's no fans in the stadium. So it's first game, we play the Chargers. And this was the game where Tyrod got injected and they punched his lung. So then it was Herbert and him playing. And Joe goes down at the very end of the game, it would have been like the legend of Joe Burrow would have only grown. end of the game goes down, throws a fade stop to AJ Green in the corner of the end zone,

and they call us for OPI. So the game winning touchdown gets called back, so we go kick a field goal to tie it, or kicker cramped and missed the game-winning field goal. There's nobody in the stands, cramps, and we miss. And so here's this, like, here's this, like, bust it onto the scene, here comes Joe Burrow, come back win, last minute win,

in his first start, and it just, it isn't. Yeah. And it was like, That's unfortunate. You saw a glimpse of that in that drive. Like, oh, this guy is going to be pretty good, I think. And then each game he successfully got better. And I think the one, a game you played in, potentially, I think, Tennessee came to Cincinnati.

And we had lost, I think we had five new starters up front. And then we'd signed Quentin Spain on Friday. And he started at Left Guard. Q Spain. On Sunday. Q Spain. Yes. And so.

Bid bear. We had a guy that had had a guy that had. practiced with us and we had five new starters and that was the game where Joe sort of took it on it and took it on his back and we ended up winning the game we played pretty well and it was that game when it was like he's arrived this is the guy he is what we thought he was going to be and then he goes and plays good for another I think maybe one more week to two more weeks and he gets hurt in Washington and tears his knee up and so the season but he was we were hitting this rise we were we were going to win I think we would have won a handful of games on a stretch and I think people would

look like oh here he comes but he gets hurt and it's not nobody knows how good he's really going to be and he ultimately sacrificed his knee for Jamar Chase because that allowed us we were not very good after that and we picked Jamar the next year at the fifth overall but a lot of stuff came up in that draft where when when he gets hurt everyone's like they need protection you just said all the office of linemen are out you sign a guy off the streets he comes and starts for you that week and you guys go pick Jamar chase what was the thought process in that building when you're evaluating because you're you're thinking franchise quarterback we know this is the guy we got to get him offensive lineman.

Yeah, well, it was the Penae Sewell. It was Penae and Jamar. That was like the big debate. It's like how can the Bengals not draft the left tackle? Looking back on you, you can't go wrong. Like both those picks are no actual. Yeah, both of me like, these guys are going to both be all pro players. Right.

And whoever you pick was going to be right. But we went back and forth and there was plenty of debate, plenty of opinion on it. And ultimately, I had went back to my time in Denver when we had Demarius Thomas. Eric Decker and then Emmanuel Sanders and then in the slot we had West Welker and we were deadly and it was and I was so good nasty

underrated yeah very very good player and we we had a game against New England when we were in Denver down to stretch and it was two back to back plays or maybe two out of three plays end of the game we had to go win the game and we hit two goal balls down one each one each side I think one was to Demerries one was to

Emmanuel And it was like, man, when you got to win versus press coverage, it doesn't matter who you have up front. If you can't have a guy that can go win that matchup, you're going to have a hard time throwing the ball to win in the NFL. And that always just stuck with me. And I always thought that was a good way to build an offense is that make sure you have guys that can win.

And we're getting this debate back and forth about the tackle and the receiver. And I was like, well, I said, if he can win fast enough, it's not going to matter how long we buy. If he can win quick, we can get the ball out quick. And one of the things that Joe does so well is play on time. process. And so the ball gets distributed. And it's like, well, we can negate some of the offensive line issues if we got elite playmakers outside. And that was my stance. And then a couple other people had it. Some didn't have that. So it went back and forth. But ultimately,

we landed on that Jamar would be the guy that scores touchdowns would be one that would be more helpful for our offense. And thank God we did. So you were the guy that brought Jamar to Cincinnati. I'm not going to claim that. I'm not going to claim that. I'm just telling you my perspective on the argument was that. Yeah. And I, voiced that. I mean, that was my prerogative to voice it as a coordinator. And I think Zach felt the same way, Zach Taylor. I think he landed on that same argument. So the two of us sort of were in agreement. But ultimately it was, that's a Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin and Mike Brown decision that gets made. But that's, that was the argument back and forth. What's been the most fiery or drama-filled moment

in a war room that you've seen? Hold on. Can I just, did you guys talk to Joe Burrow at all about, hey, should we go tackle wide receiver being a rookie, but knowing he's your franchise quarterback. Joe was involved. We kept Joe in the loop on all the personnel decisions and the thought process. And we obviously talked to him a lot

because he knew Jamar. And so Jamar didn't, if you remember, Jamar didn't play that year because it was COVID year and he sat out. And so there wasn't any recent film on him other than the year that he was tearing up the SEC with Joe. Killing it.

And so Joe was like, Joe didn't, Joe was like, I'll take Jamar every day and twice on Sunday. Like, it's not even a debate. for him he because he knew what he was he knew how impactful he could be and so joe was all in favor of jemar in that situation um and i'm glad he was i love it sorry for cutting you up eyes so i make sure you get that same question yeah most fiery or drama-filled tense moment in a in a war room that you've that you've been a part of or witnessed you know it not there hasn't been as many

or somebody you look back you're like man maybe they should we should have took that guy oh there's There's always that. I mean, I would say the debates between the players that were available to us at Pick 5 that year was pretty intense. I mean, there was some guys that felt like Kyle Pitts was a really fantastic prospect coming out, and he was. The Pena Sewell, the other guys that were involved was obviously Devonza Smith and Jamal Maudo were both in that conversation. So those were pretty intense conversations because guys were pretty convicted on what they thought those players could be. And so I remember a good couple back and force on some of those debates on this player over this player. And ultimately, when you look back, like, well, we weren't going to be wrong either way.

All those guys ended up being great players. So nobody was wrong in that regard. But when you're debating on who to pick and do you take Pene Soule or do you take Penae Soule and try to take DeVantz-Smith? And what player are you looking at? And you obviously account for some of those quarterbacks going and you look at the world of player you're in. and you got to debate like hell. And those usually means that you made the best decision too because you fleshed out all the,

all the good and bads and pros and cons of all the players. But those were pretty intense. Those are the ones that I remember the most because you're picking at five, that should be a Hall of Fame style player. And you can't get it wrong. Yeah. With that clock ticking down at five,

how long did that discussion go before someone's like, hey, we got to call this thing in? Or was it pretty decided when four was picked? you kind of knew. Yeah, once you knew what were the players was like, because we weren't sure who was going to go,

we weren't sure if Jamar's going to go to Atlanta. You didn't know. You didn't know if Miami was going to try to trade up. There was a whole lot of stuff going on. That until you're on the clock, you don't know, but the decision had been made prior to the draft even starting. If this is the order we're going to go in,

if this is, if Jamar's there, we're taking them. If Jamar's not there, we're taking Penae. If those two are both gone, we're taking this guy. So that stuff all gets settled out prior to the draft even starting. When you, hearing you talk about the Bengals and how you guys established your offense,

gets me fired up for the Titans because you're saying how you view the field, how you view you need guys to win and press one-on-one coverage. And you're getting all these athletes in there. You have so many, so much talent on the offensive side of the ball now. Like, what was the expectation we should be having for the Titans? Are we winning it all this year? Is this it? You know, I tell our guys all the time.

Can I tell Jack and Garrett back there who've been Titans fans since the inception of Tennessee that we're going to win the Super Bowl? I tell our guys all the time that we don't make any predictions or promises. So I certainly can't step out here and say anything other than that. I will say this, though. I am excited about what we've done, the players we've added. I think they're all, you know, we add it with Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd and D.Hop coming back. And Tony Pollard mixing him with Tadier Spears and you get a chance to draft Jacey Latham.

And you got year two for Peter Scoronsky and now you go sign Lloyd Cushingberry at the Senate. I feel like there's some really exciting pieces that, you know, if we can put it all together, I think we have a chance. And obviously, I believe in Will Levis. It's a large reason why I took the job is that I think he's capable of being a really good player. And he has not disappointed so far in the office season program. He's fantastic. Does everything you ask, the way you want it.

And I'm excited to see what we have. I'll just, I'll leave it at that. I think we can put together a competitive football team. What do you see in Will Levis? Because, again, we just rattled off three guys that you've been around, Peyton Manning, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow. What do you see similarly with Will? The drive.

He's got the drive. He wants to be a great player. He wants to do whatever it takes to be a great player. I think one of the cool things about watching Will get to play last year in some pretty adverse circumstances is you saw his toughness. I think that's kind of a common theme with these guys, is they all have this kind of innate toughness that guys rally around. You know, when you see a quarterback out there, you know, diving for a first down or taking a shot and making a great throw.

He's taking one on the chin. That's the kind of guy you want to play for, right? Like you go, you go, yeah, let's, I can do this. This guy can do enough for me to play hard with. And you saw all those things on tape last year. You saw his physical talent. Obviously, I don't want him jumping and diving and flipping around for first downs. Yeah, let's not do that.

Let's not do that. That's that's the brand. I mean, you need that thing to work. So we'll try to lessen some of that. But I think he's proven his toughness to the guys and the team and the people in the NFL look at him and go, all right, this guy, he's got a chance. Now, let's give him as much talent around him as possible and see if we can help him with a system offensively to have some success. And he's got all the traits that you look for, though, as far as the drive and determination to be great is there. And that's exciting.

With Iran, like you walk into the building and for the nine years, I was with the Titans, like day one and two of a free agency, nothing ever happened with the Titans. We kind of sit back, let the first wave go, and you kind of pick pieces up in the middle market. You guys came and started just cleaning house immediately. You and Rand, how clear is your guys

conversation of where you want the direction to go? Like how are you guys just on the same page all day long? He, him and I hit it off in the interview process and he was a guy that I just connected with immediately. You know, you meet people and you just, there's just something about the connection. You're like, this is the kind of person I want to go to work with every day. And it has been that way from the minute we stepped on our first Zoom interview through today.

It's been everything I thought it would be in terms of our working relationship and our vision and how we want to execute the vision and what it's going to take to get the team competitive to where we feel like we can contend for the division and for the playoffs and ultimately for a Super Bowl someday that we've been on the same page with everything. And it's been really, really fun. Like it's not like that everywhere, as you guys know. don't always get that connection and it's, uh, it's been incredible. And he's got a great feel for what football is supposed to look like. We see it the same way. And, um, man, when you go into a

free agency period and you're in lockstep and, and with Chad Brinker as well, where you're like, this is the direction we're heading. Uh, you feel really good about it. And then the coolest part about it is you get to a certain point in free agency where things don't always, you know, we, we didn't get everybody we initially thought we were going to get. And so a guy goes here and a guy goes there and now you look around, well, the difference in the good teams in free agency is how fast do you pivot? And so we lose two or three guys and all of a sudden we look up and we're like, we should probably check in on Calvin Ridley and see where that's at. You know, we got some, we got money. We didn't think we're going to have. We lost a guy or two that we thought we were

going to get back and we didn't. So let's check in. Let's see where it's at. And so then that process started and kind of swooped in the middle of the night and stole Calvin out of there. And that was because you just, you got a fluid. You're able to pivot. You have a, You have a plan in place and when the plan doesn't go exactly the same, you know where the next spot is. And I thought RAM was masterful in the free agency process. With like your philosophies and the way you want to kind of cultivate your first job being a head coach, like what you inherited with the Titans from the familiar faces who are still here. What are some of the directions and vision you wanted to kind of take this team internally

in the building? Yeah. From what you had understood most previously. Yeah. Well, I think the thing about the Titans, I think really for the history of the organization in Nashville is that it's always been a tough-ass team, you know, regardless of of the players that have been on the team. There's just a, there's been a tradition of this toughness. Every time we ever played Tennessee, it was like, buckle up, boys. Like, you're going to get,

you're going to get everything you got, everything they got, and it's going to come down to the end. And that's how I've always viewed the Titans every time we've ever played them for the years that have been the NFL. It's just, there's always been good players here. It's always been tough teams. They've always been well coached. And that part is the part you want to stay. That's sort of like an ethos of the organization. You want that to be a part of who they always are, regardless of who's in charge.

And the other part that I believe in is that you want guys that love being around each other, that love being in the building together. And you want an environment that they love working with their coaches too. And so there's a feeling that you want when you wake up in the morning and you've got to go to work. And it's one of the time. two ways. Either you're like, fuck, man, I want to go to work today. Yeah, I've been there a couple times. Yeah. Or it's like, like, hell yeah, I can't wait to get to

work. And that's the, what I, what I'm going for is that second option where guys wake up and can't wait to be in the building because they love what they're doing and who they're doing it with. And there's a connection amongst the people that are doing it with, I think that's what unique about where we are in Tennessee now with Rand and myself is that it's a very open building. and there's a lot of back and forth. Like you see Ram walking in the hallways and he's out of practice and he's dapping guys up and he's talking to him in the lunchroom and I'm around and I'm visible and our personalities play off each other.

And I think we hired a coaching staff that's the same way. And I hope the players feel that when they're in the building. I think if you ask most of them, they would feel at least to start, that's how it feels. But I want guys that love coming to work and playing football together because everybody's got money, everybody's got talent. And I think that's what separates teams is what kind of locker room do you have, and what kind of people are in the building. I think that's what matters the most.

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Let's get back to this episode. But before you do, do me a favor. Subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. Now let's get back to the episode. When we went into the facility, it seemed like everybody was way more loose. Guys were coming up to us saying, hey, it's different. Like, things are the energy is different. There's a higher vibe here.

That doesn't take away from anything from John and Brave. Like, there was a Patriots way type of vibe where but holes are tight when you go into a team meeting and you know you can get exposed if you have a bad play at practice. So it was like everyone's got to be on their shit to know that on Sunday we've got to go win. Like how long once you got in the building and got with the guys? Did you see the transition of them like, all right, laying their shoulders down, letting their guard down a little bit.

I'll be like, okay, we can mix it up a little bit with the coach. Yeah. Because headball coach and a gym, that's a tough two guys to mix it up with and feel comfortable. Unless you're like a vet, that's been in the game for a long time. And I still feel like guys get nervous sometimes around me, and I don't,

it's new for me being in the role too. I realize how much more. Because you know, the position coach or coordinated. I feel like I'm learning more about the weight of my words and my interactions and how much it matters to guys when maybe you don't think twice about it, but it might be the only time you interact with the head coach for a week. And like that sticks with guys.

I remember even as a player how that would stick with me. And I'm much more mindful of that now than maybe I ever was. And even as a days go by, it stands out sometimes. But I think that there's a lot of ways to win in the NFL. There's not one set way that you have to take. And I think as long as you're kind of authentic to what you believe in, you can build the program in the image that you think is the right. way. And I just believe that there's a, when you come to work and there's a, there's a looseness

and a joy in the process, it makes a really hard profession a little less hard. And I think when you get into the part that when it is really hard, when you're in December and it's tough and you're banged up and it hurts to go practice every day, there's something other than the money motivating you to go out there and play with the boys, right? I mean, that's kind of what, that's what you want. And I think an environment that's got some joy to it and some fun and some energy, I think, takes a little bit of the edge off of how hard it can be. And it can be hard. You know, even when everything's great, even when everything works well, there's always

days where it's hard. And I think that if you have a locker room in a building that's conducive to a little bit of fun and excitement and authentic. I mean, I am who I am. I'm going to, I don't want to try to be anybody else. And that's just always been my personality. And I think that hopefully that that shows up in what our team looks like. Yeah, you ain't lying.

I mean, playing football every day is a grinder. Especially like you were saying later in the year, it gets dark a little earlier. You're feeling out of your nicks and that last week of October is like the worst. Is he going to hook us up with a walk through today or we don't have to lace them up? And you're right too, like jokes you might say as a position coach or a coordinator might hit a little differently to an athlete. But if you're saying a joke as a head coach, like the athlete could be driving home like, fuck does he think I'm just, trash like you're in your own head but if he gives you something positive I remember shanahan one time he came up oh interception machine this was like my rookie year I had had two interceptions

in a practice I just remember just riding on cloud nine thinking like you know the headball coach noticed me you know yeah yeah so it's got to be like interesting knowing that your words do carry like a different weight that part is everybody yeah I walked in one day I walked in to talk to one of the assistant coaches like I normally would like when I was a coordinator and I'm kind of busting balls but I kind of sees like the reaction on his face was like oh what like did I do something wrong am I in trouble and I was like oh I probably shouldn't I probably need to probably need to tone that one down and make it make it not feel so like tone it down or tell whoever that is don't be so soft yeah we're having a good time here it's gonna be all right yeah

j would be talk about me making plays in space I would literally just beg me I know the front office the whole coaching stuff must think I just can't tackle in space. But you're just in your head. In your head about everything. Fuck, he just said that joke. I know. I don't think people understand how much mental warfare goes on between players and coaches.

I don't know if y'all try to do mental warfare. But it just feels like... I'd rather not. I'd prefer not to do that if I can. It's just so difficult though because you write like the words of a head coach when you say anything. If like no line coaches do, you could easily write that off at whatever. A head coach is it to you? You're calling your girlfriend, your wife.

It sticks me now. be like he said this like what do you think good bad or ugly you're doing whatever you can entire offseason you're working on that one thing that was kind of said right and it just rings in your brain forever and then as a head as as a head coach it might even he might not even thought twice about no it's like it it might have just been like an impassing comment yeah and all a sudden you just like you just all in your head about whatever it was that was said and the head coach might have forgot he even said it yeah you talk about having fun what's your stance on a rookie shows you're about them you're about them

I'm about them. I love a rookie show. Pro rookie show. However, caveat is... Your 2024 is about the show. There's... There's... I've not been... The recent rookie shows that I've been around,

subpar. The rookies need a little help from some guys out there in the world that know what a rookie show is supposed to look like. And I've just not been... Not been impressed with some of the things. They're just not funny. Yeah. And there's nothing worse than going like, Rigginsia, you're amped up.

Like, I can't wait to see who they, who do they go after. Yeah. It's like they're kind of, they get scared. You can't be scared. You should know as good as anybody. Yeah, I was going to say you let me sit around training camp for a couple weeks. You'll have a few down. Yeah. Get some impressions. Yeah, get some mannerisms of yours and I'll just go after you. I'll just go after the headball coach is the best thing to do as a rookie. By far. But it's also the scariest thing to do as a rookie. Also true. You got to find that sweet balance. You do. Be in good graces with you, but also. Find all the ammo you possibly can.

But if you can get a good rookie show is maybe one of the better, one of the finer things in life. It sets the tone for the whole season. Especially when you're just in the suck of training camp. Oh, yeah. That's at the ending though. Like you're like everyone's kind of excited to get out of there. This is going to set the tone for the first game of the season.

Yeah. Here we go. We're all the other for the last time before cuts. Let's see what we're going to get. If any rookies are watching this, study Coach Callahan and go after him during the rookie show. Have to. Have to. Have to.

Like go too hard. Like make the roast of Tom Brady. go to family all of it yeah just just lay it all out there and just just hope the reaction is good yeah yeah only oh go ahead well i was just going to say who are in your opinion the funnier guys on the team i'm still getting to know i'm getting to know more personalities

as the days go by um it sure seems like arden key's got enough personality for everybody which is great i love it uh i enjoy the personality part like i love guys that got something to them make it fun like that's that's awesome. I love when guys feel like they can beat themselves. Arden's probably the one that stands out the most. Tagee Spears,

Tadj's got a good, Tadje's got a good kind of a, he's quiet, but he's got a little personality that pops up every now and again. Still trying to figure out which offensive linemen's got it. You know, every day is like a new day for them right now.

With Coach Bill, I don't know if you'll find some personality. But there's some guys, I think, that are candidates for it. But generally tends to be the defensive guys that have the most personality, and then they're at least afraid to show it. So I think that there might be a few of those guys,

but I'm hoping that some of these rookies come with something good in August. I mean, that's what they have to be most focused on. Like, Playbook comes second to the rookie show. Yeah, I mean, make sure that you have that rookie show down. You want to make the ball club? Entertain. Yeah, entertain me.

We're in an entertainment business. Exactly. Yeah. With being in a head coach for the first time and taking the first team meeting, addressing the team. What are the nerves like? Because every head coach I've ever had,

it's a lot. There's some nerves in there for sure. I bet. Because you want to make, you want to make a good impression where, and again, we've had like 12 team meetings since the first one.

So like the novelty does wear off like after you get to the first one. But that first one you spend a ton of time thinking about and you just want to make sure that when you come in there, that the guys look at you and go, yeah, I like this guy. I'm willing to listen.

As you guys know, you can come in there sometimes and maybe the first ones rubs you the wrong way and you're kind of like I don't know about this cat you know like yeah yeah and so that's you just want to make an impression good enough to where you've bought everyone's attention for another week you know and and hopefully they continue being sure everybody has the same facial expression as the first time you know you're not losing the crowd right and I try to be my team meeting they try to be to the point you know I don't I don't I'm not a preacher you know I don't I don't need to but I do have messaging that I want to get across. And so I spent a lot of time thinking about the messaging and what I'm going to say

and hopefully that in a very short eight to ten minutes I can convey whatever that is for the day. And I only have one a week so I don't overdo it. Nobody wants to hear me talk that much. I know that. And the fall you only have one a week? In the fall when the season starts, it'll be a Wednesday and a Friday. Wednesday or Friday. We'll leave Thursday to the rest of the squad. Yeah, Thursday is the own day. And then you have something night before, which can be sometimes as short as two minutes or you may go a little longer if it's a depending on the mood of the team and in the game you're getting ready to play but try to try to limit the amount of times I have to go preach in front of everybody what kind of coach are you night before game dude I was just thinking I was just thinking

saying oh man like are we watching a movie scene I got that I love something like what are what's your go-toes bro I very much try to keep like the the pulse of like what we might what you might need for that week you know I did something kind of similar with a in Cincinnati on Saturday on mornings I would do this tie-in of the game plan and I would mix in whatever messaging I thought was you know might hit home give an example um like this messaging yeah this movie scene if it's no I used um actually used quite a bit of the man the arena documentary one year I kind of took pieces of it over the course of the season and then like every other week I might have something from that that because there was just so many good things from that documentary I thought

about like what a championship team would feel like. And so I try to use as many mediums as I can to help convey whatever message I'd be trying to convey. And I even do that now, I had one, even for our rookie meeting, there's this clip on the internet with, there's a ball boy a handful of years ago, one of the soccer teams, I think it might have been like Tottenham, where this ball boy is like super dialed into his job. And he gets the ball, it's on a throw-in, but the ball comes out of bounds and he has one in his hands. And his job is to get it to that guy as quick as possible. well, he jumps out of his seat,

tosses the ball to the guy, they throw it in on like a fast break, and they score because they catch a team in transition because ball boy is like on top of his shit. I think I've seen that clip, yeah. You probably say it was viral, I don't it was viral, but it's out there. And I showed it to the rookies,

and I was like, this is, like, talk about finding a role and doing it well. Like, here's just 10-year-old ballboy or 13-year-old ball boy that knows that if I do my job really well, it's going to help us. And that's it. They bring them to the locker room after this. They bring them like a jersey.

Yeah. And so things like things like that. It's wild. It was, I mean, it's, you know, and the manager goes over. Like, look at how fast he in the transition, right? Balls in his hand, he's running. They're on sides. And then he ends up with a hit in a man transition for a score.

And like, I think it was a huge game too. So then the manager's dapping them up and like things like that. If I can, anything I can find. I use quotes from guys in the NBA. I've used Steph Curry. Anything that reinforces the math. message. I told, I showed the rookies that and it was like, look, man, fine. Whatever your role is, whatever is asked of you, like, make it the most important thing. And if you have a chance to make a

play, then you make the play, that's how you get recognized. And so it was stuff like that. I can fire and brimstone it pretty good when I want to, but I try to save those in my back pocket for a rainy day. For when you really need it. When you talk about playing the Tennessee Titans hell, like it was effort, toughness, and they were very well coached. Yes. What are the core values you're seeking to bring in with the Tennessee Titans with this new wave? Just in terms of what I want our team to look like? Yeah, the things you're going to preach. Like usually a lot of times like coaches have like these are three things that we are going to be built on as our foundation as a team.

Like as you being the head coach of Tennessee Titans, like what are those three pillars or however many pillars? Yeah, there's a little bit of nuance to it. But the main one is we have three Cs and it's character communication and connected team. And those are the three things that I think matter the most is the character guys. Are they coachable? Are they dependable? Are they positive? Are those the guys you want to be around as a teammate?

And then when you talk about the communication part, the best teams in the league are great communicators, verbal, visual, you know, especially up front. I use that example all the time. It's like you've got to pick up blitzes on third down to win in the NFL and you've got to be on the same page. And sometimes it's loudest shit on the road and you're on a silent count and how do we get the calls communicate?

How great are we communicating? it also falls into the off the field part too like when something's going on make sure we're if you're going to be late to a coach on me late to the team meeting and you called me at 730 that's good communication if the meeting's at 8 I got an issue I need help taking care of it right we can work through that if you tell me 805 after you show up that you had a car issue that's bad communication that's a fine that's a fine yeah so that's what we're looking not to do that so those those three Cs and the last one I think I've kind of touched on is that being a connected team and being a part of something that's bigger than yourself.

Like, again, everybody's got money. Everybody's got players. There's talent in the league. Every game comes down to one possession most of the time. And what's the separator? And to me, it's the teams that when you look at them, you feel it when they play. You're like, man, those dudes are playing for each other. Like, you feel it.

And you guys have been on those teams. You played against those teams. You're like, damn, these guys are on top of it. And you feel it from their sideline. You feel it from the energy when they make a play. Like, those are the things that you want to see. and I think the football parts are prerequisite. Like you got to be able to be detailed and have discipline.

That stuff is that's like not negotiable. That's expected. These are those things, the character, the communication, and being a connected team are things that I think make the difference when all that other stuff is equal. That's awesome. I love that. We talked about the gunslingers with Stafford, Manning, Levis, and Burrow.

But I don't want to go on. I don't want to not bring up Browning last year. getting thrown into the fire in a very high pressure situation. Talk about him a little bit. Because I feel like you, it's like when that happened, it's like, well, the Bengals, they're out of it. Yeah. But you guys, you know, obviously you didn't win the Super Bowl or anything.

Yeah, there was like zero panic. We were in it. Yeah, you guys were in it right there until the end. Like talk about, talk about Browning a little bit. Man, what a, what a story, really. I mean, he's, we, we stole him off the practice squad before we played Minnesota in 2021. and we brought him in to ultimately sort of flush them for information. You know, they cut their quarterback loose.

That's awesome. Yeah, waterboard them, get him out of there. And he came in and we're like, oh, this guy, I think is, you know, we liked this tape. And obviously, we didn't bring him in because just for that. We thought he was a good player. But that's just how the league works. You cut guys loose and we play in week one, so we signed him. And he comes in and he starts like, wow, this guy's really smart.

And then he's a little bit undersized and he's not like an outwardly great-looking athlete. And you're like, all right, does this guy play at all? And we weren't sure. And he starts practicing and does some things that you like. You can play on time. He can process. And so we just sort of kept him. And he developed, and he did a really nice job.

And he was with us for, I think, two and a half years up to the chance to play. And he never really got to play. He played a little bit in the preseason. And it was like, all right, well, Jake's going to play. Let's see what the guys got. but we felt really confident that he would perform well because he works his ass off. He studies like crazy.

And then when you look back at his career, he started for four years at Washington. They went to a Roseboy. He was a good college football player. And he's got all of the makeup that would make you a good player in the NFL. And he went out there, man, and he played awesome in a situation where it's hard to play all. Like, you know, the franchise quarterback gets hurt.

And everybody's spirits are down. All of a sudden, Jake goes out there and guys were like, oh, fuck yeah, we can do this. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, we're not out of it. Yeah, we're not out of. Let's go. And he brought some life back into the team.

And I gave him a ton of credit because he was really open about what was good and what was bad. Like, hey, don't call that play. I don't like this play. Here's the things that I need to play. Like, he was very vocal about what he felt like he could succeed with. And that ton of credit goes to him. Because, you know, when you're in a position as a player,

like, oh, if I say this, they might tell me to they can't. I know he won't do it. You're afraid to say something. You want to be a yes man in a lot of ways. You just want to do what's asked of you. And he goes in the first Pittsburgh game and we were kind of like, are you sure you feel good about this?

And he's like, yeah, just call the game. How you call it for Joe, I'll operate, I'll play well. And he didn't. And he came back to the next week and he's like, don't call this, don't call this, don't call this. Call these things. Give me more peer progression. Give me a chance to work through a read.

Find me some things. And he was like, all of a sudden it was like, oh, not thank you. This is what we need from you, and we'll do whatever it is you need to do to feel like you can play well. And so a ton of credit to him for being able to say that. But he went out there and showed that he is a legitimate quarterback in the NFL. And when I got the job, he was joking. He was like, you know, it's kind of messed up. He's like, I've gotten more guys have gotten head jobs when I've played.

And he's like, do people think I'm that shitty that I play well enough? And like it's now everyone's a great, a great coach. And I'm like, I said, that's pretty backwards. I do agree, but that is hilarious, bro. Yeah. Because it was almost like, you know, when you get hired and everybody, we're hype and everything else, it's like, I mean, Joe B went down and they were still contenders with Jake Browning, not like shitting on Jake, but you're like, everything can still.

Just accidentally shooting on Jake the whole time. But yeah, inadvertently, you do. And so we laughed about it, but I do think he, he deserves a ton of credit for how well he played. He's kind of a self-made. I mean, he's worked his. He's worked his tail off to get in position to when you get that opportunity to go to go play well. And he's going to play in the NFL for a long time because of it. No question.

I love the dude. I think he's outstanding. He's got a great personality. And I was really happy for him that he had a chance to show his talents like that. And he was open and honest enough with us to help us put him in position. And that's ultimately our job. Yeah. Yeah.

But he's a good, he's a good football player. Yeah? Yeah. Flying on the Titan someday? Who knows? he's an option he's he's he's got uh you never might be an option he's uh i think's under contract for like a year or two two years i think for oh you know yeah you're very aware yeah so you're saying there's there's quarterback controversy in cincinnati right now is that what you're doing that you know what

absolutely yeah big debates clip voice not sure who's going to be not sure who's going to be might be jake might be joe who knows who knows it's the only time we'll tell him yeah hey how you guys doing listening on audio right now, just driving to work or something like that and enjoying yourself. Sometimes podcasts are great, but you know what makes them just a little bit better? Some nicotine, man. And I know those big tobacco corporations that you go into the gas station, they're super convenient and easy to grab from me. If I'm looking for a nicotine that's not only to give me the sensation of feeling chipper and up there and feeling great all the time, I'm also looking for an opportunity to help out the mom and pop shop-esque.

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See you. You talk about personalities of players, and now more than ever, it seems like the landscape of NFL is changing with all the NIL stuff in college. Guys are coming into the league with money already. Do you see that change in personalities as new guys start to come in?

Yeah, you do. It's different. I mean, it is a little bit different. Now let's not pretend like guys weren't coming in league with money before. Right. Not at UCLA, obviously. Not at UCLA.

No, definitely. Not in Nebraska. Certainly not there. Yeah. And maybe not in Nebraska either. But Michigan, Michigan, I don't know. I feel like that's... I wish.

Yeah. I wish we had that SEC treatment. I got a free meal once. I bring it up all the time. One time. I got a free meal one time and that fired me up. You get like $100 handshake somewhere? No, never.

I never got offered a dime. And it bugs me because I would love the opportunity. To take somebody's money. Yes. I would probably take it. I'd ever hear about is they just put money like on a turnover on the sideline. You hear about a... Coach you back on a thousand.

And then another coach in Matt. match it. In college? And then Sue would get it. And it's like, oh, all right. Yeah. Because you know Sue was getting paid. You know something's happening.

But Stafford, he, I heard stories about him being at Georgia and there'd be $500,000 in his mailbox for him to stay for another year. Stafford? Yes. I mean, those are all, you hear those stories all the time. Stafford went to Georgia, right? Yeah. Because I get him in Bradford mixed up sometimes.

If you had to guess, would you think that's true? I mean, I think, I think, I think, I think, but we won't. It's a hundred percent true. I think some of it gets, there's, they're probably like fishing stories. Like the fish gets bigger as the years go by. Yeah, it's probably 20 grand. I think there's probably some of that. But crazy.

Yeah. I'm sure at all. I'm sure they're, I mean, they're not made up. Like, I'm sure those stories all happened pretty regularly, I would imagine. But the kids come in and now, I mean, it's, it's a different style. Like, they've already been paid, you know, so this isn't the first time they've had money. And I think that that part is, is unique that the money thing isn't new. But what is new for them is that now they can't transfer and they are under contract.

And I think that's a different mindset for them. They're used to being able to kind of freely move wherever they want in college football, transfer two, three times. And nothing wrong with transferent. But it's a different mindset. Like when things are hard in the NFL, you're under contract. And you're either going to get cut, you're going to figure it out. And I think that's where it changes for guys is that they're not used to that binding agreement

that doesn't really exist in college football anymore. and that they have to play well to get money. You know, like that's the other part. They come up and ask for trades all the time. Yeah. Your boy in Cincinnati. Hendrickson. He said he wouldn't get paid enough.

You erring him out. Hendrickson? I mean, it's news that he asked for a trade. I'm just saying. It is public knowledge. Not airing the boy out. But you are contractually obligate. You probably should think about that a little bit.

But I think that is the difference, though, is that there's no, like, I do like there's a resilience factor to maybe some of how some of these kids have come in college where the minute they don't like something they leave and the adjustment period comes when they get to the NFL and it's like well I don't like this and it's like sorry you know yeah yeah like you don't have a choice like so that part I think is where it changes the money part I don't think has changed kids other than they just have more experience with money and so you're not as concerned about maybe some of the things that a kid for the first time getting money some of these kids have been making money for

four years right yeah I've been paying taxes and it's not new for them. Yeah, it almost might be a good thing, actually. They're making a little bit money in college. Yeah, especially some of the guys that are getting big money, you know, they're used to getting big money, and they're probably getting big money because they're good players. And so they likely are going to get pretty good money

when they get the NFL by their draft position. And hopefully have, like, the right teams kind of already kind of building and structured around themselves to make it an easy transition. You would hope. I think there's a little bit of a, there's probably some predatory opportunities out there for guys and some of these guys in college that don't know anything. And when you're talking about putting people around you, you just hope that they're making good decisions with it.

Yeah. Got to have a team. Yes, you do. Got to have a team that checks everybody. Derek Henry. Yeah. Long time, Titan, going to be obviously in the ring of honor eventually. No doubt.

Was there a conversation with you and Rand to try to reach out and say, hey, let's do this one more year? They had touched base. You know, Rand had a relationship with them, obviously, being there for a year. And they went back and forth on what the money would look like. And we just knew we had the holes that we had to fill the money would be allocated initially elsewhere. And the running back market went pretty good. I mean, there was some guys that got paid. It was higher money than I think maybe we had projected to start across the league for the running back position.

And that's good for those guys. That's great. And so when you get into those positions where, you know, we're trying to fill multiple holes in a free agency period, it's like, where do you want to allocate the money? And how do you want to spend it? And I think that I would have been absolutely open to Derek coming back. I think it felt like Derek was ready for something new. And then the money part, when it happened, those conversations go back and forth.

And ultimately it was for both parties, probably the best decision at the end of the day for him and for us. But, I mean, he was the Tennessee Titans for the better part of the last six years, probably, seven years where, I mean, that's what you thought. You got to Tennessee. You thought of Derek Henry. and look forward to the day when his name gets to go up in that stadium because he's earned that right to be up there with the greats he's phenomenal he's a stunt man getting to uh hang out with you at the facility and asking if you'd come on the bus we started to learn that you were a bit of a stoolie in your younger days i was yeah i was i was uh yeah boys know that you're on the bus did you hit

the group chat up you like hey i didn't tell anybody yeah that was going to be there's i got some old from my high school buddies would be pretty pretty fired up yeah yeah that's pretty That's awesome. Yeah, I was, I feel like I was on the, I was on the, I was on the, I was on the front end of the barstool experience. I mean, it was back when it was just a handful of those guys blogging, when it was just the blog. It was, it was, it was a 2000. The blackout party. Is that what it was called?

Yeah. My brother, my brother and my sisters went up and went to a couple of those blackout parties. They're only, my brother's only 18 months younger than me. And they would always tell me about the blackout parties. And you see that videos online. It was a different time on the internet, that's for sure. But, yeah, I remember, I mean, those guys were obviously Big Cad and Dave and those guys. I've been reading those things for probably pretty close to when they, from when they started

and laughed for a lot of, laughed a lot for a long time reading that stuff. So, yeah, I'm a, I'm a stooly. I've been, I've been one for a really long time. I feel like there's got to be a weird part that, like, I'm be 40 years old in June. And I think there's like this whole generation. of like middle-aged stuys that were there in the beginning. No question. You know what I mean?

It's like, man, it's been, they've been doing this a long time. Since the inception. Yeah. Every time I see Big Caddy's got more and more gray hair. You just tell. I can relate. I can relate. I get it.

Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite personality? Well, hold on. Before you did it, maybe we should tear talk this for him. Okay. Are you familiar with tier talk? No. So tier talk is, we're just based.

It's a ranking system. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's your talk three. You're going to start with three and work us up to one. You can give as much. context or as little as context as you want. The tier talk will be your favorite Barstool personalities.

Oh man. Excluded. All right. It's not excluded. We'll be God dear. Yeah. You start with three. Start with three.

You can give an honorable mention too if you're having a hard time. Okay. I mean, I'll probably be the originals of the guys that I'm probably talking about. I love it. I would say, I would say my three. Okay. Three would be, I'll probably never be invited back here.

but three would probably be Dave. I'll probably never let me back here. You say that because he's too low, or Dave gets, gets mad at us a lot? Both. I'm a big, I'm a big supporter,

so I want to, you know, I would say two would be KFC. I used to love listening to reading KFC's blogs back in the day. And then one would be Big Cat. I thought big cat was, his humor and my humor were very similar. And he keeps it going, bro.

He is, He's a machine, man. I don't know how he does. I don't know how he keeps... I mean, he's like internet Kobe or something. Like, he just got this... Oh, don't tell him that. Yeah, that's cut that.

His recall is incredible. He'll have a conversation with him and four years later, he'll remember it. There was a clip that came out yesterday about him and KB on the yak, and it was back in October about him putting a razor blade in some of KB's food

and eventually he's going to give him within the calendar year. And he did it yesterday. He was... He's like an elephant, bro. He is. He really is an elephant. I thought that was so funny.

He actually, truth be told, he's got a question that he proposed to you. Is this the one? Yeah. It's the one that we don't like. C.

BC to BC. First of all, thank you for being a stool and supporting us all these years. I got a question for you. I'm taking a piss while I do this. I got a question for you on the bus. We've loved to have you on the show.

And I was looking at the calendar. June 25th, if you want to come to Chicago, we'd love to have you up, whole family. Anyone who wants to come up June 25th, come to Chicago, we'll do an interview, we'll do the gauntlet, we'll have a great time. So that's, I guess my question is, can you come to Chicago, June 25th, and come on PMT? Do you want to get some context? The context on that is. Our beer games championships of the world is on June 25th. He is, he's on the list. He can't back out. He can't. He can't. He can't. He can't.

He can't back out. He has to come. He has to come. He can't back out. Yeah. And he's got this running bit happening right now that he can't back out. And since we've had to do a couple, we've had a couple bumps in the road with the beer Olympics with the beer games. Sure.

He likes to give the boys a hard time. So I guess he wants you to come on part of my take, which I'm sure that's a yes. Absolutely. But June 25th, we're going to have to just make that call for you. He's busy June 25th. Yeah. Also, it's vacation time for y'all too, right? It is.

It is. I'm moving. I'm moving in that very short. time frame from Cincinnati finally down here. I'm living in a house by myself in an empty house with a bed. That's the life that I live. That college lifestyle. Got the matches on the floor, wires everywhere, TV hanging. Easy lifestyle. Sitting on like a folding chair to watch TV. You kind of do enjoy it a little bit, huh? There's part of it that brings back to your roots. No doubt. But that might be a tough swing, but we can look into it. Maybe next off season.

Maybe next off season. Next off season, because they will take you out to Chicago and just let whoever your boys are, you heard him say, whoever wants to come. You should come with an entire crew. The whole entourage. I'll say this about Chicago. Their HQ there is incredible. It's like a fantasy factory. Basketball.

They have literally everything you want. Basketball court, golf simulator, chef Donnie and the corner. He'll make you whatever you want. It's some of the best food you'll ever have. It's like the tight facility without the indoor, without the football field. Yeah.

It's crazy. It is nuts. It's very cool. It's very cool. You'd really enjoy it. The cool thing, too. My whole family is from Chicago. Really?

Yeah. My dad's born and raised. He's south side of Chicago. My grandfather was a Chicago cop. Okay. Good old Irish Chicago cop. Yeah. Nice.

Are you, where you grew up a Bears fan? I did grow up a Bears fan until, obviously, I became a fan of my dad, wherever we moved to. But when my dad was coaching in college at University of Wisconsin,

that was like the Bears were, you know, my dad still watches, like every White Sox game. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. But not very good. It runs deep in Chicago, huh? Deep is deep.

So my whole family, everybody, my mom, mom's from Northside. The whole family was from Chicago. Were you just a massive fan of your dad growing up? Oh, yeah, yeah. He was always the man. Always.

I mean, it's my, you know. Yeah, but you had to go through like teenage rebellious years where you're like, he doesn't know everything. I never, I know. I did not. Really? Oh, yeah. I mean.

God, I need some notes for your dad. I mean, so, well, I'll say this. Like, my dad was, my dad is an intimidating personality. And I was the oldest of four. And so I didn't ever have, it was like, I was scared to death to make a mistake because I, you know, he can have your, you know, he had your, hear him yell, he got a real loud voice. It's intimidating.

Yeah. I didn't want to get, I didn't want to get in trouble. It's all my friends, be like, dude, you got to. Like, I had like a 1030 curfew in high school for a while. And all my boys were like, you got to rebel. Don't, you can't. Oh, bad friends. They're like, well, you know, it's like, I mean, 1030 is kind of early.

Dude, that is nuts. It's early. But this is weekend curfew? Oh, yeah. No, this is all the time. Shit. This is, yeah. I mean, 7 o'clock at light lights.

Yeah. The game's over. You're going home. You got to go home. No parties for me. None. And that's the best. We don't have to go to that.

But go ahead. But so that was the, I was scared of death of like, I was not rebellious to my dad because I knew my, I watched my dad coach these guys for all these years and how he, his demeanor and his style. I was like, I don't need to cross that. I don't need those problems. Growing up, were you like, were you a troublemaker or a straight shooter the whole time? I was pretty straight shooter.

Yeah. I had enough, I had enough, probably, um, enough mischief, but not anything serious enough to really get in trouble. What is the most devious thing you ever did as a young thing? Probably just TP a house Probably egged a house That's the next step That's the egging

TP is one thing He'll throw the toilet paper At the tree But the minute somebody gets out a carton of eggs He's probably thinking I don't know if I want to be a part of the house Coach Kelly He's the first one of the line

For me I can't go that far Yeah Yeah that was yeah It was nothing more like Nothing more than that It was never anything I did not do anything

Just fun classic boys being boy stuff You ever get big trouble I did Big trouble Yes I did And I was like middle middle school probably. I can't wait even want to tell the story, but I am because it's funny and whatever.

When I was in middle school, me and my little neighbor next door, my buddy died used to run around all the time. We decided we were going to make a torch. Parents were home. We were on, so we wrap all this toilet paper on a stick and dip it in gasoline and light it off. And we're like swinging it around. We're middle school. We're like eighth. Yeah. And we're swinging it around and having a hell of a time and we're in these woods behind her house. and we tried to be responsible. We had water and put the torch in the water.

You know, and I look out like an hour later, and my parents were home, I look out like an hour later in the entire forest, the entire forest is on fire behind our house. I mean, it was like, I mean, fire department. I mean, it's like, it's like flame, yeah. Yeah.

And we, you know, we didn't mean to, obviously. Right. But it's like, there's, you know, it's a patch of, I mean, it wasn't small. It wasn't like a whole, but I mean, those trees on, I mean, it was on fire. The fire department had to come and put it out. And, uh, and but at the time my parents weren't home, I was there, but I was home by myself. And the fire department came, they put it out and they left.

And I was like, I'm in the clear. They're never going to know. And so my buddy, whose parents were home, they saw it. And they put the clamps on them and he cracked. No. Oh, yeah, he cracked. He definitely cracked. Boy cracked?

Yeah. Do you ever talk with him after? Like, brother, you got to. Like, come on, man. How'd they get him to crack? It's so easy to not, to do not. Because we were like relatively good kid. Like, it wasn't like he was, we weren't trying to do anything wrong.

Yeah. But then, so my parents know. And then my dad asked me on multiple occasions, hey, do you know anything about what happened back there behind the house? Nope. No idea. I mean, I lied to his face. Lied to his face. And I thought I was getting away with it.

And little did I know. I was just getting set up he was just stringing me along just waiting and that was the most mad I think I've ever seen him not because of what we did but because I lied to him about and he gave me ample opportunities

to tell him the truth and I just stuck with it so he did it a few different occasions maybe the first time he let it pass I gotta see if he thinks about it a little bit more that his old man's that's stupid that's a vet move that is a vet move

to set your kid up like that when you wonder why I probably wouldn't rebel when I was in high school I saw that And I was like, nope, no thanks. I don't need that. I don't need those problems. That's a savvy dad move.

Yeah. My dad would go out of town in high school and he'd be like, you're not allowed in the house. Like, go to your mom's session, you're not allowed in the house. And one time we had a party. Yeah. And I came home and I was like, you've been in the house at all? I was like, no. But he set up like T-shirts and certain things and parts of the house.

It was just a little bit dirty. Yeah. But he remembered every spot he put it in. So if it was moved at all when he got back, he knew somebody was in the house. I folded. I folded. There was like 10 people at the house, too. It wasn't even like a cool party.

It was a get together. It was a get-together. It was a kickback, as we called it. A kickback. A nice little kickback. But yeah, ma'am. Dads are good like that. Yeah.

Billy ever get you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. A few different occasions. The one that comes my mind, I think I've told it before, but my parents ride out of town because my brother, I'm a junior in high school. So my brother, he's a sophomore,

absolute stud wrestler. He was, my parents said that I had to wrestle that year or I'd be grounded all of one. winter. Good motivation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That said it helped me in football, which there is true to wrestling helping in football. Yeah.

But my brother had a, it was my, it was my first week weekend, like on the squad. And they're wrestling your boy JV, Jr. And I thought it was so disrespectful. But it is. You should feel. Yeah, my brother, who's a sophomore, they're traveled out to Kansas City for this wrestling tournament for the bar. varsity team. And so I'm just back at the house by myself. So I throw, you know, I throw a party.

Nice little banger. I'm talking it's ever clear. It's the, it's the cheapest of the cheap. Yeah. The most of the most. The plastic stuff. Yeah. And, you know, it was rowdy to where basically I had to be on the bus at like 5.30 in the morning, the next morning to go to the JV wrestling tournament. And we were up all night. And I mean, we're, you know, we did. I was driven. We take somebody home and drop them off. They're puking in the driveway as we're dropping them off. I'm like, hey, you got to hurry. Like, we have to leave so I can make the bus.

And I'm still sauce from the night. And we're riding up. I'm trying to, like, get some sleep. It's like an hour and a half bus ride. And then I start texting the boys, like, I didn't clean anything up. And my parents are going to get home before our bus gets back from the tournament. So just terrible planning on my part. So I'm texting like Logan and John and the boys so I clean it up.

And they did their absolute best. They got some stuff messed up. But they did what they could to clean up the place. Well, I get back, by the way, won the JV. Wrestling tournament did not get scored on. Hungover. Just destroyed. But I get back and, dude, my mom finds this.

There's a condom sitting out on the end table that was being played with. Because 40-year-old Virgin had came out and he was playing Aquaman. on his hand with the condom and my boy was doing that I mean there was girls over and there's fun to be had but that particular loss

that we took was one that shouldn't have even been taken you know what I mean and it was not fun it was not fun my dad was one of those where it was like the same thing

I never wanted to be in trouble by my parents and I remember again another another night where we got where we got caught drinking and parting

and stuff and my parents came over and Logan my mom buddy he's like my best friend and his mom we're pulling in the driveway and she's like you guys want to have a fucking party boys we'll have a party and just sit down on the grass we're all like lined up sitting down like you know indian style and all your parents are coming over we got you motherfuckers type of thing my dad comes over and bro like you know your boys got like tears in his eyes like

i'm like dad i'm not going home and he like takes his glasses off he's on like the other side of the dining room table and we're in logan's house and he's like son you're coming home and starts like walking around and I just start like going around the table with him. Oh bro, but it was not good. It was, uh, we've had, we've had some run-ins back in the day in Ontario, and my dad, it's always the same speech. Like you got the world ahead of you. Like you have at this point, I had like one offer from like Illinois. Not wrong though. Yeah, not wrong. Yeah. That's a good call by a dad. Illinois, K-state at the time and he was like, you're going to, you're going to mess this up. Like, you're going to fuck this off. And, but we had it, we had some run-ins, some stories that definitely

come to my mind when I'm like, fuck, the boys were in some situations. Yeah. You never want to piss off your parents. No, not, not if you, especially when you got one that's not one you want to mess with either. Yeah, bro. You know. There's a story I told him where my dad, he's like, you ever want to shot at the title, you just let me know. And he's like this close to me. And he just doesn't blow me a kiss, but he just goes, and in my face. And I'm like, all right, all right, dad. And he's like, you ever want a shot at the title. Tell how old you were. A senior. Oh.

A senior high school You should have swung on that man Bro, I don't, there's a difference Now I would, you know, out of respect It would never happen Right I would obviously take, take advantage of him now But dude, there is, I mean

As long as you could have respect For an old man on beating your ass He had every bit of it up in there I'm not gonna lie to you guys Like I wouldn't be surprised Like my dad could still probably with my ass I wouldn't want to Bill might now

You think he would Oh Dude Bill, this, I mean yoga Don't sleep on yoga But this man's a yoga at 6.8.m. probably every morning at old Ben and Zen. Oh, yeah. He's, oh, yeah. Bill. Bill. Yeah. Bill Callan, yeah.

He can, like, do the splits and handstands and stuff. Oh, okay. I'm not joking. I had no idea. Yeah, like, I don't, you don't want to mess. I wouldn't mess with them. Yeah. I wouldn't want to shut it. That's the thing, too. I don't need a shot at that title. Yeah, you know, you know, you're good. That's the thing, too, with, like, you know, he carries this intimidating demeanor, but you know when he's saying something to you, he has, he has your respect because you know, in his world, he's putting in all of that work, not just in studying, but.

in lifestyle with the yoga and watching him prep all the way up until kickoff, like laying on his back and just like studying his notebook and writing down final notes. And he is the man. Like I've always had a lot of respect for Bill. I appreciate it. Glad I never got to, you never had to partake in his individual drills. But you didn't have to hit the sled. Yeah.

Always loved to appreciate him. What's the name of the sled? Bertha and Olga. Olga. Yeah. God. Did he create those? Yeah.

He invented the sled? Do we have patents? The actual sled or that? The sled. The sled that they were hitting. No shit. Yeah. That actual invention of the sled.

Do we have patents? Yeah. Oh, Hay gets world. This is a wild clip. Nice. Because JC is a, he, that's a unit of a man. Yes. And he's being, he got folded the first time.

He's seen him start to figure it out a little bit. Yeah, he figured it out. There's no way anyone ever does good on that the first time. Never. No. And that's why my dad's laughing at him because they were, he bet him. JC's like, no, I got. I'll get it.

I'll move. And my dad's like, okay. Just hands in his pockets. Yeah. But yeah, they invented that sled when he was in Washington. That's impressive right there. Resetting the hips and driving, that's impressive. They call it taking another bite.

So he takes another bite and gets going. But that sled, he worked with Ray Crowther, the company, and they sort of developed it together and made that sled, the angles and the handles where your hands fit. And it feels more like what a defensive lineman feels like coming off the ball versus like the old squared up sled. Yeah. With J.C.

drafting him, getting your first opportunity to get your hands on him a little bit. Is there anything that surprised you by him that you thought maybe he didn't have or is he as advertised for your mind so far? He's as advertised. I mean, we felt like there was two linemen that we felt like we're worthy of top 10 picks. And that's Joe Alt and J.C. And the two guys that we're like, either one of those guys will happily take if they're available to us. And thankfully, J.C. was. And he's everything we thought he was going to be.

And he's got a super high ceiling because he's. He just got all these physical tools that he doesn't even really know how to use them all yet. But yeah, super talented, great kid, all the things you can want in an offensive lineman. Was there a fear for you, him playing his whole career on the right side, now moving him to left? No, because, you know, one, it's been done before. Guys have transitioned from right to left. He played left in high school. So it's not like he's never been in a left-handed stance.

played four years to Alabama because he had to with Evan Neal, and I think it was Tyler Steen maybe. So they had guys that left, and then they had a five-star recruit come in, and he'd already played a couple years over there, and they were like, well, this is our chance to get our best five guys. You're comfortable that we'll leave you there, but he's fully capable of playing left tackle. I think he's probably comparable to what Tyron Smith was. Tyron came out as a right tackle, played right tackle for a year in the league, and they moved on the left. in that transition. Obviously, that worked out great for him and for them.

You know, he just did it with Jedrick Wilson in Cleveland. Chad played on the right in Alabama and played left. And he got to Cleveland for the last four years now. So not unprecedented. Yeah. And he's got the talent to do it. That's awesome. I'm glad to see here that he's a good dude because I got worried those top-notch SEC schools

after dealing with Isaiah Wilson in 2020. Sure. That was a horrible experience for everybody involved in the Titans building. From afar, it seemed like that was not a lot of fun. No, it was not. But he does seem, uh, JP was with him. JP's not in here.

JP was with him at IMG and he says he's an awesome guy. He was an awesome dude. Yeah. An IMG to Academy. The, they have like leadership. They have like mindset classes. It's a football factory.

It's a sports factory. Yeah. Yeah. We had to talk to Tyler Booker who was at Alabama with him. And the way he was talking about mindset and meditation and all that. It was like eye opening to see that this young cat has all these tools already. Yeah. That's because IMG.

Yeah. I mean, he's, and he was the number one recruit. It's not like he's number of recruiting the country. He goes to Alabama. It's like he's known nothing but success. Yeah. And sometimes there's something to that. I think it was cool, though, the other day after the first practice,

he struggles with the sled and he's kind of made him mad. Like, he's a little bit disappointed. He couldn't do it the right way right away. And so it's like 5 o'clock. They had the rookie minicamp in the morning. This was on Friday. They practice in the morning and they're done, like about 5 o'clock. clock come sit in my office and I look outside and J.C.'s out there like running 100-yard

sprints and then he's like mosing down to where the sleds at and all of a sudden he starts hitting and so he's by himself and all of a sudden I walk next door I'm like Rand I should I stop him he's like I'll let him go for a minute and just just let him do his thing and but he's out there in the afternoon mad that he didn't do well enough he's out there working again and like that's that's when you're like okay this is the right makeup like this guy's yeah that's a juicy yeah as a head coach you got to look at them like that's the guy we just drafted. That's an unbelievable feeling. That's awesome. But then there's also the flip side of it is like, dude, you're going to get plenty of work. You might just want to take the recovery when you

get it. No doubt. No doubt. But what a good first impression to make. Yeah. I mean, it was that goes a long way. And it was every day after that where he'd be out like, you just, it's like part of his routine. And when you see a young player, it's got some routine where it's like, I need to go do this, this and this in the afternoon because that helps me get ready for the next, whatever it is. At least there's some thought process behind it. Yeah, man, that'll do. You'll be you're going to be all right. That's got a fire of Titans fans so much. Looking for an assist with your credit card but can't get a hold of anyone.

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slash credit card. We have two massive Titan fans sitting on this bus right now. Jack McPherson and Garrett Hargis. They've been Titans fans since the beginning. Boys, do you have any questions for Coach Callie? Yeah, I do. Jack McPherson, how's it gone?

Nice to meet you, Jack. Lifelong Titan fans, super excited to have you here on the bus and behind the range of the Titans. My question, with the significant upgrades, we've gotten in the wide receiver room recently. What is your plan regarding Trailing Berks? with him only having one TD in 22 games. Yeah.

I know you've been asked this before in the media, but we'd love to hear it first hand from you. Sure. I think that's a topic of conversation these days. I'll tell you this. I only know what I've seen of them. Obviously, I know what precedes him just because I've watched it and I understand it.

But from what we see on a day-to-day basis with Trey, he's been phenomenal. Like his work ethic, the things that he's done, does everything we've asked. He's got unbelievable physical. talent. And it's almost, it's a personal challenge to me and to our staff is how do we find the best role for Trey to come help us? Like, I think he can be a good player. I do think guys get in these situations sometimes, for example, you know, they trade AJ and they draft him. There's just

intense amount of pressure on him to be AJ and or to replace AJ. And I think that that wears on guys sometimes when it doesn't go well to start. And it's hard. to be a really good player at receiver as a rookie. I think it's a difficult task. And so for him, there might have been a compounding factors of all that pressure he felt and then to be able to go play fast and play aggressive and be free of that, I think, is hard. So what I'm hopeful for is that the addition of these veteran players that we have in here, a new lease for him in terms of all I know is what he's shown me,

and I don't make any judgments on what's happened before, and that opportunity to reinvent yourself in a sense, I think is going to be really good for him. And I've been impressed with what he's done so far. And I think he can play. But it's like a personal challenge for me to find a place for him to have some success because he's got the talent and ability to do it. That's awesome.

My second part question is well. What credentials do I need or who do I need to talk to to be able to be the 12th Titan and swing that sort of honor put it in the middle of the few. You know, I've not experienced this yet, so you might have to... It's okay. Is this like a... It's the first thing I do right before the coin toss. And usually it's like an Eddie George or a Javon curse.

But what about Jack McPherson from Nashville, Tennessee, swinging that sword? Also, one request, again, you've never experienced this. We need to bring back the OG pain train video. Yes, yes. This is so many... The OG pain train video does have to come back. I don't know what happened if it was a copyright issue, but there was an original video.

They played before every fourth quarter of every game, and it needs to come back. I know if there's any Titans fans listening. They're turning this up and going, come on. Come on, Call on, Callahan. All right. Call on a couple things right here. Jack, while he's answering the credential part of that question,

can you pull up the pain train video for him? I like to see this. Jack is a guy. If you give him a reward at the end of a tunnel, he will work endlessly. Rich Eisen has not. and has not come on our show for almost three years now. Two years, I think, too.

And he was told if he tweets at Rich Eisen every day until he comes on the show, we will gift him a Chevy Silverado. We're at day, what, three-something? No. Today was $692. Excuse me, see? Three years and what's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got mixed up. I got mixed up with this.

This is the O.G. Pane train video. Oh, is this like Terry Tate? Oh, yeah, Office Lineback. I used to love those commercials. You're going to put on headphones, I believe, if you went here. This is with these ones? Go ahead. Put those on.

This is great. Because they throw a little Johnny Cash in here. This is awesome. All right. Let me see this. Start it over, Jack. When did they stop playing this? Like, two years ago?

Yeah, there's a version of it. It's similar. People are saying ever since Lawan left the building, they couldn't play that anymore. I'm not saying it, but we bring the OG video back, Titan Super Bowl of 2024. I'll do some research on that. I got to figure out why it went away in the first place. Does nobody know who Terry Tate is anymore?

I played a Terry Tate video one time from the guys in Cincinnati. All the players looked at me like, why didn't you show us? I forget he can hear me. I told him we had our twisted question. I said, that's the one you got to ask. And I said, we can't let Mitch talk. Yeah, Mitch does our twisted questions. And it's been tough unless he has help.

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First question, how many Super Bowls do the Tennessee Titans have? They don't have any. they could have had one because in 2019 a mike rable the head coach of the tennessee titan sat on this bus and said he would cut off his dick for a super bowl now that team starts off two and four ends up going to the are you fuck that was on a roll i'm good yeah you good that team starts off i'm sorry for it was that team starts off two and four ends up going to the a fc championship game beating and ending a Patriots dynasty in the wild card, and then taking down the one-seed Baltimore Ravens

with Lamar Jas and taking home his first MVP trophy. Before the Kansas City Chiefs stand, in Arrowhead Stadium, wearing the same uniforms, Mike Vrable was asked, you said you cut your dig off for a Super Bowl? Is that still the case? To which he said, it's a joke. We were up 10-0 in the first quarter,

end up losing that game, and obviously not going to the Super Bowl. My question, my twisted question for you, sir, are you willing to cut your dick off for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl? Got two kids? Two beautiful children? I do. I might not be done yet.

I don't know if I can commit to that part. I got young kids. Let me ask you this twisted question. Yeah. What are you willing to do for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl? I'd be willing to do quite a bit. Would you take off a limb? Like a finger?

Let's say whole hand Like Ronnie Lott style Let's say whole hand Whole hand Your dominant hand My dominant hand for a Super Bowl Yeah For the Tennessee Titans

As the head coach That would be pretty sweet Old man gets one Yeah That's no doubt Jack McPherson gets one That's the most important Most important

I would have Garrett Hargis gets one Sorry you didn't speak I was wrapped up around Yeah you're right Would you take off That dominant hand that would be tough

that would be tough to offer up but in fairness to the commitment I could I could be if that's what it meant I would I would give it some consideration this is a yes or no question are you willing to now that we've narrowed it down to a dominant hand would you cut off your right hand

for a Tennessee Titan Super Bowl I cannot cut off my right hand because now here's the problem here's the problem i get to that same situation again and someone says i heard you would cut your hand off and then you ride that out yeah you'd have to have some incredible commitment to the process how about this yeah but then you finally do it and then you could back then you could well afterwards then you can back out but then what's the what's the fun and that right two options i'm going to give you two options this a classic lock room where a gun to your

head, you have to choose one. Would you rather, for a Titan Super Bowl, lose one testicle, or get a bustling with the boys tramp stamp championship 24 tramp stamp on your low back? Oh, I'll do the tramp stamp. Yeah? I could do that. We got them, boys. I did a tattoo for it.

It took us a couple ways. He said it a little too easy. Tramp stamp? Yeah. Yeah, no problem. He's actually. Tattoo right here. This one.

Yeah. You can do it over the one. already got it yeah yeah Gary I did not give you an opportunity and time out time out time time out he never got a chance to answer the uh to say if he's going to bring back pain train or jack an opportunity to maybe one day swinging yeah you told me told me to a switch I was like all right we're getting right into it right that is that's my fault I'm realizing where the well I got to do the research on the the video yeah we the pain train details on that I don't know what I'd never even heard of it I didn't know so let let me it plays in the

fourth quarter right yeah oh is that one it was or the fourth Quarter. Like, like Renegade style in Pittsburgh. Like that's the... Yeah, I guess so. Like, that's the... To kick off that fourth quarter. Yeah, I hear that train of coming.

It's fulsome prison. You know the fans want to maybe you ask questions? Yeah, I can do so... I can at least give you that I'll look into it. Yeah, that's all I'm asking. Yeah. It's all I'm asking. The sword.

The sword's new for me, too. I got to figure out what... Swords knew. And maybe the sword, just so it's a little bit more enticing for y'all's demographic. Maybe we bring Will and Taylor X Titans out there, too. Then they can... help and we can all as a team slam that sword to the ground we just both get on a knee and hand it to jack no doubt yeah that's exactly jack and jack and get hold it together and put it in the

ground boys 12th man and just king arthur yeah i like that yeah j did you have anything yeah so with the addition to the weapons on offense and a unfortunate titans fan base that can be fair weathered. What can the fan base look forward to this coming season? Well, I think that we're going to have a, I think we have a team of guys that are, that are hungry to prove. I know not, I know the perception of us outside of our building is not high. I think we, we have a lot of people that don't think that we're going to be much. And I think that's where we want to be right now. And we have a chance to prove a lot of people, a lot of opinions wrong.

I think we're made, I think we have a team that's made up to do it. You're going to have, we're going to play hard as hell. There's going to be, I think we're going to have fun playing together. I think you're going to see the energy and the connection amongst the team.

And at the end of the day, the guys that we brought in, he pairing with the guys in the locker room, is we got some guys that play football a particular way. And that's, as Dynard Wilson, our defense coordinator says, we've got some dogs.

And he says, DAWG. and that stands for disciplined assholes with grit. And I like that, but I think that's the image that, especially on defense too, with Ligerius and Cheeto, adenic corner.

You add big sweat in there in the middle and Sebastian Joseph Day and you pair him with Jeffrey. I think there's some really cool things happening on defense that I'm really excited about. And so, again, I can't make predictions and promises and proclamations, but as far as the people and what the team looks like, I think it's going to be a product that people are going to be excited to come watch.

Show it to the games, people. Yeah, show up to the games. I said it in my opening press conference. I said it. Like, we need the city of Nashville and Titans fans. Like, we need them. We need the stadium to be a place that people come to and are like, oh, man, I don't want to go play in Nashville. That's what we're looking for.

We need that environment. So all the Titans fans out there listening to me, come one, come all, man. We need everybody on board. and hopefully you get in early enough and you don't get accused of jumping on the bandwagon when things go right. That's a good quote. Yeah.

That's a good quote. Is there like a good small core of a Titans fan base out there for sure? Every franchise has their 5% like that 5% crazy fan base and the Titans 5% is strong. That's great. I love that. They're crazy people in the best way possible.

That's what you need. That's what makes the NFL the NFL. Yeah, man. RIP Matt Neely, man. Hey, RIP, Matt Neely. He was the one. Yeah. Dude, thank you for coming on.

Thanks for having me. This is awesome. This is fun. You have an hour 40 with the head ball coach? Yeah, I love it. I hope Bill listens. I can't promise you that he'll listen. Yeah, I hope he does.

Just know that. I might have to say, hey, Will City, hope he listens to the episode. I think we can probably make that. Yeah. Yeah. We do appreciate you coming on. We will be flying the Titans flag all season long on this bus. I love it.

We'll be supporting you the whole time. We appreciate you coming. Thank you. Appreciate that from you guys. Thanks for having me out, man. It's his last. Thank you. Thank you.

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