Bussin' With The Boys - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

Recorded: March 3, 2021 | Strap in for one of the funniest (and charismatic) pods you've ever heard from The Boys. Actor/Comedian/Podcasting icon, Bryan Callen, flew in from LA to hop on the bus, and he brought a lot more than jokes. First, Bryan steals control of the show and asks Will a bunch of questions about his journey to the NFL, when he realized he was a gifted athlete, and how he has been able to play in the league for 8 years. After Bryan is done asking the questions, Will dives into Bryan's acting career, how Bryan met Brendan Schaub and started The Fighter and The Kid, what it's like living in Los Angeles and bumping into mega-celebrities on a daily basis, and how bad the homelessness is out there. Next, Bryan lectures Will and the crew on a variety of topics and drops some gems that you'll probably want to write down. To wrap things up, Bryan and Will take a look at one of the most ridiculous sports in the world, Bryan reveals that he's moving to Nashville, and the whole bus shares some major laughs when Bryan shares some stories about acting, wrestling, and more. ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Bear Bottom Clothing: https://www.bearbottomclothing.com code BUSSIN Roman: https://www.getroman.com/BUSSIN Manscaped: https://www.manscaped.com code BUSSIN Better Help: https://www.betterhelp.com/BUSSINFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But I mean, you get over that after a lot. No pause. It's a thing, no pause on his boss. Taking him in a little bit and felt them up a little bit. You get over that. Yeah. Now you need, it's not just sex. Now you need like good substance.

You know what I'm saying? I like what you're picking out. Are you weighing? 30. I'm 230. You're 230. 15 below your scouting department. Yeah.

I'm 6-2. On a good day. You'd be a good 6-2. You're not 6-2. You walk around saying 6-2, like in the locker room and stuff. People are ready to, hey, throw your shoes off, get up against the wall. You're not 6-2 type of thing. That's the culture there.

Well, that's right. That's football. Yeah. But walking around, I'm 6-2. But anybody who played in the NFL, how long did you play? Going on 9. Nine years you played? Yeah.

And you're still playing. Eight years. I'm going on 9. So you're in the NFL right now? Yes. I'm about to be a free agent. So the fact that you're saying, best athlete continue to massage the linebacker position because I'm about to enter free agency.

I'm just saying that anybody who played in the NFL for nine years, you have to understand. Nobody in this fucking room is you're not in the area code. That's a crazy athlete. I appreciate that. So when did you know you were special? We're going to turn this into an interview. I got to get some, I got to get shit out of the way before we get into acting. I'm going to fuck about acting.

I wore makeup and I may believe. I could do characters. I'm done with that. And when did you know you were special? because I learned very early on that I was a regular guy. You understand? I was a high school wrestler. Oh, you wrestled at high school?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm double-eague right now. My brother, he was, he went to Nebraska's scholarship for wrestling. He's a good, he's a wrestler. We get a good little gene pool. But I probably, I didn't know I was going to be a linebacker. I always thought I was going to be the next Walter Payton, but, you know. Oh, you want to be a running back?

At first, yeah. I was like, you know, dumbing the little white kids on the youth football field. You can be fast, but you ain't that fast. Right. No question. No doubt. No doubt. I mean, I would say early on, I felt like I could play.

Now, I grew up in a small town. So at first it was like, you know, I can play college football. And then when you're playing college football, you're like, oh, I can play in the NFL. That's crazy. Had to go the undrafted route, just a kick to the ego. But the story's better. Nine years in, you're playing still. Nine years you make it every year because you got to make it every year.

There's no question. And you might get that. I love his fascination. I like, I know. Because I love the honing of a diamond. I love true competition. I love authenticity.

I don't give a fuck who your agent is. I don't care what kind of hype. I don't care how you talk. You either can play or you don't. And the coach and the staff goes, he's just not, he's just not, he's a nose hair shy.

And we got to, you got to come, you got to give him, I'll take your playbook now. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Good luck though.

Right. You need anything. You need a reference. Let me know how I can help you. How many people spend. they go from Pop Warner all the way to college, their whole life is football, and they don't make it in the pros.

Yeah, it's got to be tough. It's crazy because I was actually in premarital counseling today, doing a nice little therapy session. And we actually took a whole turn into my childhood about, you know, you worked for everything for basically 23 years. You identify with being a pro football player. Like, it's your dream.

You want to do it. It's all you've ever thought about year in and year out. And the average career is like 2.8 years. Yes. You get to it. And now that I'm 31, you're on the back end of your career. So talking about the transitioning and, you know, I'm with my fiance. So we're kind of talking about what life is going to look like on the other side.

So you're facing some stuff. You're doing something that's good. You got this podcast that people speak highly of. So you're doing something right. It's a big deal, dude. And I'm in this bus, which I'm very much liking. And we're not going to say where it is, but I had to go under the crust of the earth to get here. Yeah.

Yes. And you must be somewhat of a sinner to even come in. Everyone says shit like that. I mean, I'm like, but bro, that's why it's huge that you're on the bus. Because Brendan came on. He came on. When was it 2000? When was that Bloss?

2019? And like July, similar to you, stalked him on the Zanis calendar. Yeah. And I wasn't in a training camp yet. And Taylor, he was in training camp with the Titans. And I saw Shaw was coming to perform. And I was like, I got to get this motherfucker on the bus somehow. And just so happened, I just got done doing an interview with Michael Chandler the first time.

He's been on like three times now. Great dude. Great dude. And he's like, bro, I could get you, Brandon. I'm like, are you serious? Because, and I didn't bring it because I was in a fucking hurry. But I have this book that I journal shit in. And the fighter and the kid, like inspirations you grab to kind of put visions together.

I mean, the chairs, the little couch, the table, the fighter and the kid style. Like, there's just different shit that like you guys are in the book. I was telling Brendan the same thing. he was on here but the fact now that I have you on it like you know we're laying in bed last time my family's like hey I'm proud of you and I was just like yeah let's fucking go dude that means a lot to me as you get older you just do your work and then you realize you had an influence on people yeah you don't realize it and you're like oh that's what happens when you're gray and you've been you've been you're going to have an impact bro you've been yeah I mean you've been in the game

a long time like you helped like the big thing with shop too was um I looked at him him because he was an athlete who transitioned into the entertainment world. And like you said, there was no one, I mean, there's a couple more now, but there's no one, there was no one in the space at the time. So we were the first NFL active player podcast. And it was kind of like picking his brain. Like, what was that transition? Like it was all this different stuff.

So, well, it was because me and Rogan, and we were at Metamoros, and me, Rogan and Chob were sitting there watching the jiu-jitsu. And, you know, it gets a little boring. Come on. Like, oh, he's got position. And after a while, you're like, I mean, it's fine if you don't know what you're looking at. But and so, uh, Shob starts telling a story about how he, he, he, he was being so self-effacing, right? And Joe didn't really know him.

And so Shob's like talking about how, and I, I just started fighting and I'm calling out Nogara. And it's like, somebody should have sat this kid down to say, hey, hey, Joker boy. Yeah. Get ready for the fucking nog. Okay. You're not ready to step into the major leagues, bro. take a couple more cuts in the minors before you. And he was just being so funny.

And Joe was fucking cackling. And so he went to go to the bathroom. And Joe goes, that guy, he's funny. And I go, yeah. And he goes, no, but he's really funny. And I go, I don't hang out with him because he's got big muscles. I do. I mean, I'm a little gay.

But I mean, you get over that. No pause. It's a thing. No pause on his boss. He's taking him in a little bit and felt them up a little bit. You get over that. Yeah. Now you need, it's not just sex.

Now you need like good substance. You know what I'm saying? What's he about? Yeah. What kind of depth you have? That's the reason we hung out. The fucking guy was hilarious. Yeah.

We'd hang out. And that's when I said to him. I go, let's do a podcast. And then we'll call it fighter and the kid. And I said, let's call it. Let's just about fighting. And he goes, no. Not just fighting.

That'll kill me. Let's just talk about the way we talk. And that was it. And so you guys just started doing a podcast. Just starting on a podcast. And he's like a business guy. What people don't realize is that he's the guy. I'd love to take credit for everything.

But I was just showing up being a jackass, right? but I've been doing it forever so I can, you know, but he was the one who started saying, let's sell T-shirts. Let's do graphics. Let me hire people to like, you know, do caricatures. Let's do photo shoots.

This fucking dude was like, you know, a publicist and an agent. Yeah, all right. And he'd be like, wear this. This,

you fucking don't wear that. I show up and flip flops. He goes, come on, man, you can't show you have toenails. I didn't know. I'm fucking.

Right, right, right. You know, my joke about guys like regular bros. Yeah. Is like, you know, he's, like regular bros, the criteria for the way we dress,

is it comfortable? Do I look like a pussy? Moving on. I'm not going, I wonder if this fuchsia goes with my shoes. I know what the fuck fuchsia is, right? Yeah. But that's like,

there's a true story. Like my girlfriend goes, she has a bike with a basket on the front of it. And she was like, just take my bike. And I was like, nah. She goes, why? I go, nah,

I don't want, I might get jump. I'm just the target for bandits. If I had like the groceries with my little French bread sticking out and I'm biking, I just feel like I'm going to get beat up just for having a basket. But Shab is one of those guys who just, he loves fashion. He loves color. Oh, he's super into it.

Oh, dude, he gets, he changes his fucking hair and he'll wear like, you know, he'll wear something that's... Wear that beanie on the back of his head. He's a giant. He's a pituitary case. Let's, let's be honest. Like, he's not a fashion. You're never going to be Jared Leto, okay? You're never going to look good.

he's not dude you just you're a fucking 270 pound he's like I'm 240 you're 270 oh and more thick as shit and he wears like those little one of those those those those fucking jean the caprice the caprice the caprice dance slacks but now he he's a gorilla he'll kill all of you with his bare hand so he's allowed too but so I can't really make fun of him for it that's why we're letting you do it just keep going in on if he can wear it Bracel bracelet? He would. He would. He flirts with it every day. I know he goes, is today of the day? No. He's savvy, though. Like when we got done with our pod, it was an awesome pod. Bloss remembers that we were kind of like, you know, taken back. And he was like, bro, you know, you ever, you ever need help or any mentoring through this. Like, here's my number. Literally just whatever you need, like, let me know. I think you got something. Now, granted, our AC ran out and his brother was in the back. and they almost passed out because it was we're in early august in Nashville and people were hot

as shit but he's like I think you got something man he's like you know you just got to stick with it and you know endure the negativity that's probably going to come with it don't read it I don't read comments yeah I don't read good or bad good comments are just as powerful as bad comments was that something he went through in the beginning like when you're getting him transitioning into the whole be out in front of the camera be on front of everybody will yes yes he would let he would read comments, but I don't believe in reading. And, you know, my last special, I guess people said good things, you know, and people were telling me that. And I never read one comment because I don't want anybody, if you tell me I'm really good in a certain way, it's going to define me. You tell me I'm really

good at this. I'm going to try to aim at that. It's like fighters. It's like, you know, like say, I don't know if this would make sense to you, but if I were to say, you're, you're a, a knockout artist, you know, like if you're a fighter and this guy's a knockout artist, what you're going to do is you're going to go out in your next fight and try to knock the guy out. You're not going to just fight the guy in front of you and react to whatever you're given. Yeah. And I think that's a very dangerous place to be. I know that as an artist.

I know that as like, you know, this is going to sound like a weird thing. But when you do a live performance, a play, when you do a play and you're, you know, when you're coming up as an actor, you hit certain scenes, you hit certain notes and the audience laughs their ass off. The next night, what you're doing is you're aiming to do that again. And then all of a sudden they didn't laugh as hard. And you're like, fuck, they didn't laugh as hard and you're out of the scene. You're out of the scene.

So you have to be very careful with how people speak to you. You're never going to be able to control how people speak to you, but you control what you take seriously and what you listen to. And the same thing goes with negative comments. Because somebody can say one thing to you. They can say one fucking thing. They can say, like, and it can hit home because it reminds

you what your dad said, your sister said, brother said it triggers you it triggers you they can say yeah he's just a he's a poor man's such and such or you know he's uh you know he's yeah but he's he's i heard somebody one time say yeah he's good at performance but not a good at substance he doesn't really say anything and i was like oh it took me a long time to get over that you got to be very careful man so now i just uh i i don't compare myself i i just i just i just am here well let's see what you what happens. I don't have a plan. Right. You said be ready for the charisma. Be ready for that, dude. And you are taller and more athletic in person. Thank you. You see, you're not mad at my shoulders.

No. The way my fucking hips taper and I mushroom into my back mushrooms a little bit. Yes. I got a V to my back. You were squeezing into that vehicle out there. Now I'm 170. I mean, obviously, I'm in a different weight class, but you're a strong 170. Well, I got a high tight ass. I mean, even at my age, you're not mad. I don't know if you took me in. We will later. I'm too bad I'm not wearing tights. I'm built like a fucking dancer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see that. We'll talk. Absolutely. I noticed. I noticed some cakes on me. But yeah, as far as like the comments and stuff like that, was there like something pivotal that happened for you or somebody that put their arm around you and taught you that? Like, what was an influence that got you? Maybe it's reading. I know you're an avid reader. Just failure. You know, I failed a lot. Anytime you're, you know, you're at my age and you've been successful, whatever, you've had a lot of failure.

you had a hell of a lot more failure. And I think part of failure is learning how to navigate. You know, you have to keep adjusting your approach. You know, you're going to try something and you're going to not be good at it. And you have to keep adjusting your approach. That's why doing is so much more important than talking. The only way you're going to learn how to box or something impossible like that. Like there are things you know about football that you could never explain to me.

It's just years of being on a field. so there's an intelligence. You can look at an offensive scheme, and you kind of know, you know, you get better at predicting, you get better at seeing what the, you, without understanding, there's no way I could ever learn in a book

what you have in your body. What you have, what decisions you make in a split second as a leader of that defense or whatever, that I could never do. Right. That only comes from doing, right? And I think that,

um, part of it was just realizing that, um, you know, making the mistake of relying on, on other people, making the mistake relying on, on the support that you can tend to rely on, because what happens is you're letting them define you. I think actually, if I get really deep about it, so many of us limit ourselves and our potential because that's what we do. It's, you know,

Stephen Jobs one time said, when I learned that everything around me was made by people no smarter than I was, it changed everything for me. There's something about that, right? It's very, very difficult to take ultimate responsibility for being great. It's fucking hard because if you say, if you say I'm limitless or if you say I can do what my heroes have done, that's a big responsibility. Yeah. It's just something about it, man, because you have to, you have to remove all the governors. I mean, that's, that's really hard. It's really hard. Absolutely. Because what it means is every aspect of your life has to be super disciplined. And I'm more comfortable being in third place. I don't like being

in first. You know, first place, everybody's head hunting. Think about being the champion. You put a lot of undue pressure on yourself too. Because the minute something goes off the rails, you can downward spiral because you're starting to identify with certain things in that avenue of like

greatness. There's just like a good balance because, you know. To balance, right? Yeah, because like being a young player, like I was super discipline and, you know, I don't want to say obsessive, but like obsessive is the word I'm choosing. of just like, I have to be doing these things. Yeah.

And like, no, I can't go, I can't go visit there or there. I go, well, you know, you can work out there. It's like, I have to work out here. Yes. I have to do this program. I have to eat this way. And you just get so like brainwashed into thinking you have to be on this certain path. So the moment something happens or the business bites you in the ass.

You get rigid. Yeah. And somebody, something out of your control happens to where you get benched, which is something that happened to me. you just get very bitter because it's something out of your control didn't go your way. And now your whole identity is thrown off because you were relying on all these disciplines to pay off. And you forget you have to take care of like, I don't know, a partner, you know?

Yeah. Nobody teaches you how to take emotionally take care for your wife or your significant other. Right. Those things that actually make your life worth living too. Yeah. You know, you spend a lot of time chasing that sort of white whale, that sort of, you know, that'll drag you under. You know, that's a moby dick metaphor.

I'm sorry guys I read I know you do I was actually super into it was either one of your um fighting in the kid episodes or it was with joe but you were talking about the book I want to say it was grit maybe it was about kids doing different sports range range that's what it was that's what it was yes um so I do I know you're a big

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When Tiger Woods ended up getting into that scandal with, you know, other women and stuff. People are like, oh, how can he have done that? What do you mean how could he have done that? What do you mean how could he have done that? He'd had to be perfect his whole life. Before he could walk, his father was telling him to be that precise with a club. And you can tell too from that documentary that was on. Of course.

Yeah. And so when you have to be perfect in every aspect of your life, no human being can do that. You cannot sustain discipline on that level because no human being can do that. I don't believe in discipline. I don't believe in hard work. I believe in inspiration. How are you inspired? What is the balance?

Are you balanced as a human being? Where is your balance? Oh, you want to go all in for how long? How long can you sustain that? I'll count. I'll be waiting. It's true. You can be great.

But you're going to have very little in the way of another life. You're going to pay a big price for that. And some people say it's worth it for a little while, of the little while. But you have to be able to transition. You've got to be able to, you know, How do you balance in that inspiration? Like say, say, say you're, I'm inspired to be the best linebacker this year. Yeah.

And so you cultivate disciplines around that inspiration. Like how are you balancing the saying, I don't believe in discipline and hard work. I believe more so in the inspiration. I'm not sure. Like I don't like to be too, you know, I don't like to have a blue book here. But, but I love that motivation. I don't think you're ever going to be different. You're an intense guy.

Yeah. And that's what's gotten you where you have. So I don't think, I don't think the idea is to, take away from that. I think the idea is to be aware that that mindset has its own traps. Yeah. That that mindset is very necessary, but you better be careful with that mindset. You might want to keep a little door open in your kitchen. You might want to keep a little, little door open for some fun for, for, by the way, taking the whole routine that you have that you're religious

with and throwing it in the air sometimes. Fuck it. Fuck it. Today, I'm eating all the pizza. Today I'm going to be a fucking, I'm going to get drunk. I'm going to do whatever I fucking want. You need that sometimes to remind you that this is all a game and this is, this is, because if you get too precious about your, you know, your routine, you get too precious about, it's like people who are super into health and they only eat this and they become cranks. Yeah. I didn't get enough sleep so I can't work out.

Fuck off. Right, right, right, right. Or they can't go somewhere like, does that have gluten in it or dairy in it? I had an acting teacher. who was amazing and you'd have a student and be like, no, I'm a vegan. And he'd go, you are? You should eat meat.

You should go kill an animal, skin it, gut it, and then eat it, cut it out in the field and eat it raw. You, that'll help your acting. What the fuck? Yeah. Jumble it up. Shake it up, you fucking Puritan.

Where's a table? I wish I could turn the table over. God damn. There's one right there. You can fucking get after, bro. My neck gets him strong enough to hold that fucking bust with the boy's helmet up. Is that a ride hell? Theo put that on when he was on here.

He did? Yeah. He looked funny. Do these things help with CTE? This is a motherfucker. That's just a little, you know, that's like one you get for Christmas and you think you're getting something so you go play in the front yard. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it ain't the real. I need a helmet that's way bigger than that. I need cushions. I need balloons on. Yeah. I don't want to get hit. Yeah, yeah.

Fuck that. I'm, I like what you were saying about all that. Just because I feel like I've, I'm more on the side of the spectrum. of the inspiration type now, but finding that balance from the whole discipline, hard work thing, because I've very much, like, lived in that for, you know, most of my career about it.

Yeah, it's like, I feel like it's something that's never going to actually leave. But it shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with that. The goodies come, the goodies come from self-restriction. The goodies come from delayed gratification. The goodies come from making daily attendance.

and focus a habit. There's nothing wrong with that. It's how you get better, right? It's like people laugh at me because I obsess over tennis, like my swing. I watch videos and shit, right? And I want to be able to swing.

I want to grip here. And I'm like, what the fuck? And then, but for me, I don't want to go out there and play tennis like this. And I love dudes who are like, eh, and they're fucking, and they're hitting the ball

or they're playing golf and they're like, eh. And then they get mad. God damn, I suck today. Hey, bro, you've never studied the technique of fucking tennis.

So don't tell me you're mad. It's like golf, you play at your weekend warrior. You should obsess. If you're really going to get mad at yourself, you should obsess over every detail of your stroke. Yeah. Because to me, that's how you get better. There's a methodology to getting better at anything,

including relationships, including anything. There's a way to get better. Right. And there are people that can teach you how to do that. So you avoid the pitfalls. You avoid the plateaus. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

There's a way to get you out of that. So good tutelage and, And, you know, it's like my buddy Tony Blower says, be careful what you practice. You might get really good at the wrong thing. And it's really fucking true. He's just on here dropping gyms right now, boys. You hear that, right?

Yeah, we heard that. My buddy, Tony Blower. We'll have that clipped up for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's true. And it's a very, very important thing. You know, practice makes permanent, you know? Right.

So there's a book, the fuck is it called. I think it's called the Talent Code. Yes, I've heard of the talent code. And he talks about the talent code. And he talks about the concept of deep practice. And he looks at the people that get really good at something. And then there was a paper written on the difference between regional swimmers and Olympic swimmers. And you'll appreciate this as an athlete because the difference between – so when you watch like Roger Federer, the great tennis players, do they practice more than the number 200 guy?

No. Do they practice more? In fact, they might practice less. What's the difference between a regional swimmer and Olympic swimmer? Do they practice more hours in the pool? Actually, no. What they do is they practice specifically. They're looking at the details of their stroke.

So one day they might practice just for a week. Their elbow's been here and their coach says, your elbow's got to be here. So for one week, they only practice that might, they, there are micro adjustments. And when you're dealing with, you know, 0.3 seconds, the difference between first place and I think fourth place in the Olympics in the freestyle swimming event. By the way, swimming is should not get that much attention. Last time I gave a fuck about a swimming race was when I was nine. But that's another story.

Yeah. But like the difference between first place and fourth place, no metal in the freestyle, was two blinks of an eye. Okay? So if you're dealing with that margin, micro adjustments are everything. So the difference in a regional swimmer and a Olympic swimmer is that they practice differently. They practice so specifically. And that day, they're only doing one thing until they get it perfect.

so that when you watch Ralph and Nadal, you watch Federer when they hit, they've gotten better as they've gotten older. They don't miss because every single day they're practicing, their micro adjustments. When Nadal, the story goes, when now won Wimbledon,

he came into the locker room and he's going, yeah, but I think my grip need, I need to change my grip. It's got to be a little bit more over this way. Always obsessing over that shit. Right. Because he couldn't play in such a muscular way he was getting injured.

And so I think that the talent code talks about that, about what they call deep practice. Yeah. Like, are you practicing what you're bad at? Or do you go to the gym every day and, like, are you practicing what you're good at? In Jiu-Jitsu, my guard's really good and I'm great at Dars. Okay, cool. Got that.

What else are you practicing to get better? Yeah. And I love that about. Yeah. It's funny. You were talking about that swimming analogy and we had to hear about that damn swimming analogy so much in college because coaches are talking about practicing harder and more. And this is the difference.

between winning and losing, like in the Olympics in the highest level. This is how much you got to put into that little bit just to get us, you know, working harder, practicing more. Not doing one thing for one day. Right. But adding periods. I don't know if that translates to football, though, does it?

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Like you need the hogs in front of you. You need the guys behind you. You need everybody. But in your own, like in my own individual, in my own individual body, I'm not the same player. I'm not the same ability. I was at 23. But like you were saying about Nadal and Federer,

like I'm smarter. I'm more above the neck. You're more seeing things on film and watching certain tendencies and the way you break down personnel's and everything like that to where you just understand the game to where you might be a step slower, but that step is made up because you're playing more from the neck up.

Right. So that's where I think it translates for football. But as far as winning, like the Super Bowl and shit like that, like it is the ultimate, football is the ultimate team game. That's why football players I noticed are so good socially. Like football players in comparison, like say fighters with all due respect, fighters is such an individual kind of thing. Yeah.

Football players, you've been communicating with each other as a team. So that year round social intelligence. Yeah. It really does. It's like the difference between a lion and a tiger. Lions are super smart because they live in a pride. so that when you own a lion, if you're a lion trainer, you have to understand when they're giving you

an aggressive signal, a friendly signal, and they're going to look at you, and they're reading you, and they read each other. And there's a whole hierarchy, whereas tigers are solitary creatures, so that's more instinct, they're not as smart. That's fucking big cat. That's big cat stuff.

That is some big... I used to watch the Big Cat Diaries on Discovery Channel. Fuck, dude, I'm so smart. Why are you guys not writing this shit down? we got to record it dude you guys are running this thing right my bad my bad yeah what were you saying before the cats thing

I had something and then I got truly fascinated about how how football players are social oh socially yeah yeah yeah because you're taking guys from all of these different backgrounds like me I grew up in small town Missouri predominantly white then you go into a locker room

at Nebraska and you're on people from Florida from Texas from California all different backgrounds and you got to learn how to like coexist and you know be social, make friends, do all these different things and you go from that locker room to the Washington football team. You go into that locker room. Then you go into, you know, you're done with Tennessee or Washington after five years.

Then you got to go somewhere new in Tennessee. Then you go in Oakland. Like you're just, you're around a locker room of like 50, 60 dudes that are, everyone wants to be the alpha. Yeah. And everyone comes from way different background. Yeah. Everyone comes from way different backgrounds.

way different backgrounds, and you've got to find the common ground because you're all chasing that one common goal of like a championship. Yeah. So is there a black, white, divide, Samoan. Is there, is there, do you find that, I always feel like there's real camaraderie in football? Absolutely. Like, I don't, I feel like, like, it's like a great example of how well people can get along when they have a common goal.

Yes. That's what I feel like. I feel like nothing has done more to break down racism and things than sports. Yeah. Yeah, anytime there's a situation that happens because in Tennessee this past year during training camp, everyone didn't practice that day and you're kind of like, you know, pioneering this movement. But you sit back with all the boys in the locker room and you, the common thing that guys say is you wish everyone could experience what we get to experience. Like, we get to experience the locker room because if we're all at home that day and we're seeing certain things, we're seeing it from a different lens. We're seeing everything from our own filter from where we came from all that different stuff.

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We should be forced to play football. Yeah. We had a, yeah. Then you have Nate, we had Nate Bargatzia on and he was telling his football journey. And he was basically talking about how he would, bull in the ring would be going on in youth football.

He's like, we got these grown men. Mind you, they're 11 and 12. He said, we got these grown men out of your 11 years old. And he's like, they're doing the,

what's the thing in the circle? I'm like, bull in the ring. He's like, yeah, they're doing bull in the ring. He's like, you know, I just, I act like my chin strap's broken. Something's wrong with my helmet. I think, oh, hey, again, what do you know? It's broken again. I learned very quickly. I wasn't built for football. Did you play it?

Yeah, when I was 14, I was like, I want to be a football player. And I, they're just guys who were bigger and stronger like you. And I was like, well, I'm just not built for this. Also, I'm fucking freezing. I'm not filled for the fucking cold. I got a long neck. I'd wear six layers. I still be freezing.

I'm like, this sucks. And then getting a hit when you're cold. Oh, and other guys be like, it's fucking warm. Literally, I felt like a cat, like somebody's throwing a cat in a fucking pack of dogs. Like I was like,

where's a wall I can perch on and look at you guys. It was just like too much. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I was like, ah, fuck, man. You guys are loud. Everybody's so strong. And that's why I went right to wrestling.

I was like, can I wrestle a guy my size? Cool. Yeah, weight class, make weight. Yeah. My brother, that's a, different world too wrestling now that's a it's different you look over and I can't eat fast food in school because my brother's cutting weight so my mom you know my parents are like you're not going to do it in front of him and just turn on all the hot water in the shower steam the room and duct tape uh what is

plastics on your body and he'd just be sitting in our own little makeshift steam room in the house to lose weight i used to i dream about water i dream about it you just dream that you're in the desert it was the because you're sucking weight. But again, I wouldn't have wrestled if I was big enough to play football. I would have played football. Yeah.

Because all the girls went to watch football. Exactly. No one came to watch fucking wrestling. Yeah. In my singlette as I'm shooting a double. Or a single. Hitting him with the fireman's carry. Whatever it was.

And girls are like, what's he doing? And he smells like fucking. Cover him up on top. Just get on the elbow. Yeah. Yeah. After a while. Come on.

Yeah. So are you thinking about moving in Nashville? Yeah. I'm looking at properties when we were texting and I'm like yeah are you I am really yeah what's the draw to Nashville uh taxes I think L.A I think California feels like it's just on life support man I just don't agree with a lot of stuff that's coming out of California I don't like the schools I don't like what the what they're teaching my children I don't agree with it and and I feel like Nashville still has some sense some common sense so a lot of it's for my children but I'm

I'm divorced I get along with it. great with my kids mother but it's it's a it's a thing because you know it's a big move and i i can't leave without them i got to have my kids in the same state are they coming to well is it that's the thing if i'm saying you're i got to get my ex and my kids to move too that's what i'm saying so you're you have that good of relationship yeah yeah we get a long great you know because we're raising the kids and we're both look we were married for 12 years yeah and that was a long run that was a good run but i'm a i'm a comic right bless anybody married to a comic all I take full it's all my fault yeah it's all my fault right you know I'm I'm you know but

she she was great and she's she's she just dealt you know I don't know I mean I she's the mother of my children right so so and and and to her credit and you know the kids are the most important thing so that adjustment is a whole different thing but we're both on the same team that way no matter what and we like each other we're friends we like each other we we still laugh and get along that's good thank fuck I mean that could probably be a I've seen some bad divorces, man. Woo! You know.

You didn't go through a bad one? No. No, no. So, you know, I'm lucky. Or is she thinking about? Is she up to the idea of moving out to Nashville? Well, she likes to ride horses, you see. Now, now, now, I don't know if you know this, but horses are not cheap.

No. You got a shoehorn them. Fuck that is. You got a vet bills because they'll find a thousand things wrong with that fucking horse. And then you got a housing. They live in a house, you understand. Stable. Then you got to feed them.

I don't know how much horse. horse eats but either way let me put it this way I said the shop I told him how much I was spending on horses and I go I get a nice car for that he goes what what pick one pick a car you could drive a fucking formula one for that go ahead pick any car there's no doubt you it's crazy how much we I was um a few weeks ago I was down in south Texas hunting with uh Colt McCoy shout out the boy Colt McCoy he took us on this hunting trip we go we go over a year yeah yeah we go every year on this annual hunt and it's always down in South Texas but we were down this year and the guy who

is in charge of the ranch and everything else, they got horses coming in late at night because he's like looking at him. Talking about the bloodline and how it costs this. Like, I'm talking horses in the six figures, bro. Those are racing horses. Yeah. Yeah, it's a whole different thing. And they're out there, you know,

getting excited over the type of trailer that the horses in and shit. Like, it's like a cult. Drug testing for those horses is every bit as as crazy as it is for any athlete. What do you mean? Steroids. You say they're drug testing steroids. They're not even, not just tested.

You got those horses under, when you got a 30 million, 40 million, 100 million horse, I'm talking about that much. They're owned by kings and those horses have armed guards watching them because they're afraid somebody's going to steal them, somebody's going to drug them so that they lose the race, somebody's going to give them steroids. You can't fuck around with that. That's a whole different. That's the sport of kings.

But regular riding, if you want to ride around in a ring, and jump once in a while, maybe show your horse, go to a little tournament and stuff like that. You know, just show up with the girls and just jump fucking poles and shit. Well, you can spend, you can spend what it would cost to run a Ferrari every fucking year.

That's wild, man. But Nashville, maybe it'll be a little cheaper. Yeah, yeah. You're probably just trying to get like a show and like just one to ride on, right? Horses are bringing in Nashville, everybody. I'm a horseman. Oh, really?

You know your horses? I don't know horses, but I know somebody who. Oh, yeah? Belas is connected. He's a cop. Oh, you're a cop? There you're a cop. He works night shifts, and then he does,

it fits everything else, and I don't know how he does it. You better arrest me right now, because I'm guilty of being all kinds of happy. That sounds so creepy. You might want to arrest me right now, because I'm guilty of being happy. Fucking creepy shit, dude.

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I do it with Steve Byrne, who's a great comic. And, and he lives here. And so I was like, man, you know, but also taxes. Also, I'm done with L.A.

Also, a lot of people are moving in Nashville. You know, it's a good, and you can get, I mean, what you can get for a third of what you pay in L.A. For a house is crazy. And I just like the idea.

that you have neighbors. And by the way, where I live, the homeless situation is so out of control. It's beyond what you can imagine. We got 86,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone. Think about that for a second. You're talking about shanty towns. And because of the laws, the police are not allowed to move them anywhere. If you have a tent, it's your home. You can't even go in there without a search warrant. You can't go in to Homeless Street 10 without a search warrant. And sometimes they're cooking meth. Cops can't do their job. They can't do their job. A guy can put up a tent right outside your house. And if there's enough room on the sidewalk, he can stay there.

And there go your property values. And then his friend comes over. And the cops go, there's nothing we can do. And the city council, a bunch of maniacs who don't live among the homeless, they got houses over there. They're like, well, homelessness isn't a crime. So meanwhile, it's mental illness and it's drug addiction. It's not a housing shortage.

Sorry, it ain't. It's mental illness. and it's drug addiction. Those people need help. They need help, but you can't have shanty towns on the fucking street. You can't have it.

They shit all over the place too, right? I sound conservative. Kill me. Kill me that I sound conservative. I'm sorry, the fuck out of here. Yeah, I have no clue what goes on in California. Yeah, well, good. Like, I'm just listening, like, just being educated on California.

It used to be the greatest state in the world. Now it's like, look at everybody's flocking out of there. They're all like, let me get the fuck out of here. What are you getting show about here? I sent him a video. I sent him a video of some houses and of this place called the station in Williamsville, Town, County or whatever. Williamson County. Masks are now, yeah, masks are now.

It's just like, they're optional. And I was like, come on, bro. Come on out. Come on. Are you down like the Franklin Brentwood area? Yeah. It's a nice area. It's a growing area.

Like a little quaint town. Yeah. I want to get to a point where I smoke a pipe and I wear a tweed jacket. You know what I mean? I feel you. I'm an older gentleman, but I'm tight. still keep it tight. Yeah.

I'm gray, but I'll keep you busy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I keep the ribs on me. I got heavy arms and a tight belly. You know what I'm saying,

guys? And I never, ever take a week off from doing my goblet squats, et cetera. I go deep. I go deep with my... Did you look for gyms down there too?

I don't need a box. You're going to gobble squat there. I got a garage, brother. I got a garage, do a little jit-so once in a while, maybe get into a boxing ring, move around a little bit, get tagged up a little bit

so I can understand distance, keep it real. You know what I mean? Once in a while, you might have to mix it up. And now I'm not a stranger in a strange land. I'm like,

been punched in the face last week. Let's fucking go. Now, if you play in the NFL, I'm probably going to run away. And the problem with that is you're going to catch me. That's what kills me. That's that speed. You got some speed.

That's a speed. I don't want to. Now, I love this. Four, five, six. That's very fast. It's a four or five six. That's very fast, though.

Now, here's my, here's my favorite, here's my favorite civilian. and here's my favorite. This is my impression of every guy who played high school football. I ran a 4-4 in high school. You did? No, of course not.

My buddy, my buddy said that to my buddy to Shab. He goes, I ran a 4-4 in high school. And Shab goes, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. I wasn't there, but I know you didn't. No, no, I swear to God, he goes, yeah, I know. Somebody hold the stopwatch? Yeah, it was more of a 4-8, 4-9.

How about that? That is true. Yeah. I mean, handheld, laser, it is true. Wide receivers run 4-5. If you look mine up, it's a four, it's like a four six, four six two, four six three, laser. So you lied to me, he said four, five, some. Well, so here's what happened was.

You liar, though, right? You liar. We could get Dobson on the phone. You guys know, you guys have heard of Dobson. He's a strength coach. We're not going to. We're not going to. We're not going to.

But if we did. You get my mom on the phone right now? But if we did on pro day. You got my mom right now. I ran a 456. I, because I have the Nebraska line. I'm tied with the Nebraska linebacker record for our team. 10 yards split.

Jesus. One four one. Jesus. You got speed, bro. That's quick. That's called quickness. It's a little different now. I don't know what I would be now.

You know what you are? You're cat quick. Yeah. You cat quick. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. That was the end of my story.

Oh, yeah. That was the end of my story. What was your vertical? Um, vertical was 32. But the vertical I very much hacked it as much as I could. Like I'm talking, you know,

they try and measure. You see. Stand up tall and they try and get your tip top, the point of your hands, right? And you're trying to jam down your shoulder, right? Like they're trying to yank it up and you're like, oh, you know, my laborum. And so you're sitting there like this with it locked in. So that way when you jump, like you got a couple more inches. I'm very much probably, I was probably a 2930 guy.

No. Yeah, 32 is what I measured in at. But would you bench? How many times you do 225? 24 times. Yeah, there's the stuff right there. There's the stuff right there. How was your

check the tape? Hey check the tape. Oh, let me check the tape. How was the squat? My squat? Let me get my hand on my pants. Keep talking to me like that.

What's the squat? Yeah, tell me, but speak slow. My one rep max on squat got up to 500. It's a lot of weight, dude.

It's a lot, not close to what you witness in the weight room. I'm talking bars bending. Those barbells bending. I asked Rich incognito how much he's, you met Rich?

Yeah. And I mean, I, but look, so shake my hand, watch this. Give me your hand. So, so, so like you have, you have a strong hand. My fingers didn't go past, I'm telling me. Dude, I know, I know, I know, Richie. See, my fingers, they, he has that much more meat on his hand. And I was like, get the fuck.

I went, nice to meet you. Yeah. Like that. And then I go, because I'm, because I'm a little bit gay, I go, well, something a little bit gay. First of all, first of all, he's a silverback. He's a blonde silverback. You put him among a bunch of gorillas.

And the, the dominant man. males are going to challenge him. Yes. And they might lose. Yes. And they might or they're going to have their hands full. Yes. And I go, what do you squat?

He goes, well, when I was squatting heavy, I probably got up to about eight. I believe it. Eight. Eight. I believe it. He was, uh, he was the heaviest hands I, I have felt. Okay. So you know that.

Oh, yeah. And I met him. It was a bit of an exchange. He was kind of like, show me your six pack, lifted up my shirt, touch my stomach. He's mad. He's a little jealous of that. He's like, feel mine. You know, I got a different kind of six bag.

Yeah. And, uh, he'll bully you. Oh, no question. He'll give you a good shove around. Yeah, yeah, no question. I saw him pick a man up over his head at the Playboy mansion. I believe it. And threw the guy on his back.

The guy was fucking with him. Yeah. He picked him up and went, cut out like that. Like, like, for real. I believe it. I literally verbatim, I believe that story. Give you a shove around. Oh, I was, uh, teammates with him in Oakland.

Oh, you were? Yeah. Oh. So I've seen that he was, but he's like 36, 37. Now he's been playing a long time. Long time, dude. Long time. Long time.

And he's a monster, bro. but extremely heavy hands. I compare it like, there's probably either him or Saffold that time Saffold almost threw me into the stands. Did you only like the hands? And I don't know if you can bring it up. Javon Curse, remember the freak?

Yeah. Let me say this right now. Nobody's ever seen hands like this in my... I was talking to him. He would recognize me. So I'm all a giddy, right? I'm with my wife at the time. My wife, her DNA, something kicked in

and she went like this. I just heard her go, your hands. And I'm like, she started ovulating. I was like, hey, hey, hey. And it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing because I put my fucking hands up against his hand. And I immediately began producing estrogen. And I went and I was like, I was literally, I mean, he's even got photos of him doing that hand thing.

I've never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen it. How bigger there? Are you able to, uh, well, there's spiders. Well, I mean, they're, you've never seen. didn't like it. It's the, oh, I, I, they have all these, uh, measurements, though from when you do the combine and stuff like that. So they have like hand size and everything. That's what I was asking for it. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. And he was 216 running out. Well, 11.6. Yeah. There you go. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah. Mine was like, let's call it a foot. Yeah. Yeah. Let's round it up. Let's round it up. Let's round it up. I'm giving him a foot. Because he was probably doing what you were doing where he was jacking his fucking. Jack and his knuckles. He wasn't strack and his strackles. He wasn't strapped. stretching all the way. Because when you have hands that big, you're lazy about it. You and I'd be like this. We'd be stretching as much as we're good. I'd cut the skin here. Yeah, yeah.

To get a little more length, like just to get that draft, just to get drafted, dude. But for him, he's like, what, huh? He's, what? You go ahead.

Yeah. We'll give it, we'll give it a foot. What would you meet him at? I was at a premiere. I mean, you've lived out in California. You probably see,

I mean, it's like a way of life out there. You see famous people all the time, which is kind of weird. Is it? well it's weird when you when you like i i i did a thing with tom cruise and i kept staring at flex what's that flex flex what do you mean you just flexed oh yeah yeah yeah yeah dude yeah i'll drop names if i love it yeah i say col mccoy no i got all the quarterback and like yeah yeah that's a big deal yeah but i'll get

crazy i'll get me don't get me started on names i mean if you want me to flex i'll bug me flex i'll flex get me a straight razor and some oil i got to take i got to take the hair down so you can see what I'm really working with. But fucking, you're looking at Tom Cruise. I just kept staring at his head. We're doing a reading in this room with only six other people.

And I kept looking at his head. He had a small head, but he was beautiful. He's a beautiful, he's like somebody I'd grown up watching. He's the biggest movie starring the world. I kept being like, I was like, I'm fucking doing this with Tom Cruise.

I wasn't over it. It was a big deal. Yeah. It was like, you know, that kind of stuff is like, it's, and then I had to get myself together. I'm like, just do the fuck. He's like, I wasn't over it. I was, I was,

we were talking about the other day. I always have this thing like, what would my 10-year-old self think of the way I act around certain people? Yeah. Because I'll get, like, joked on and stuff because I want to, I'll like want to meet or shake hands. Like, yo, let's get a photo or something. I'm like, yo, I want to make my young 10-year-old self proud because he would be stoked for me right now.

Yeah. You know what I mean? When you grow up with certain people, like I grew up with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Sugar Ray Leonard. I grew up with these people. And I was at Stallone's house, standing there talking to Arnold's. Stallone Sugar Ray Leonard

and I think Michael Strahan was there and Guy Fiery's in the kitchen cooking Yeah, what a fucking party dude And I'm standing there I'm standing there

And I'm and oh and I'm sorry Did I mention that Al Pacino Came strolling up So now I'm like I grew up with these people For people who are younger They don't know That's these are legends

Oh yeah And I'm sitting there and I'm just I'm like And I'm trying to get a story in Because I got shit They're going to be interested in, right? Oh, let me tell you my story. So I'm trying to get a little, I just trying to

have an imprint, because I'm a loser and I'm still not over this. And I'm talking, or I'm just, I'm like... Oh, so this is one of the times you're driving home you're like, I blew it. Oh, dude. Yeah, I'm fucking blew it. Well, no, the best part is I'm standing there going, yeah, well, yeah, I'm trying to, oh yeah, me too. And I have another story about that. You know, I'm trying to get

in like a fucking, like a loser, okay? And Bill Burr walks by with a cigar and he goes, you've been here over an hour, get over it. And just keeps walking. I'm like, you're right. I'm a loser. You see Brian, like, started to bring it as fun. Hey, you mind.

Hey, guys, let's get, let's just do the group photo. Yeah, exactly. I think Arnold wants one. Like, let's just get the group photo. Yeah, let's say, yeah, these guys want one. Yeah. I don't get a tattoo to my chest. Let's talk about the new podcast, Big and Hungry.

And then Fighter and the Kid. Like, what are the things you're getting? Because I follow the Fighter and the Kid very closely. Yeah. And you've been going back on. Is it like, are you going back? Like is Brian back on the fire? Can you explain the dynamic of...

We'll see. You know, it's still a dicey subject. It's still a thing where this is a different kind of world nowadays. So what I'm doing is I'll pop in. And Brennan and I maybe were talking about, maybe doing something eventually, you know, kind of... There's... The Brennan and I are very close, and we have a lot to do.

Right. And so that I'll just say that people haven't heard the last of us. I don't know what's going to happen yet. But in the meantime, I'm doing big and hungry. and I got a conspiracy social club with the great Sam Tripoli. It's on Patreon, but that motherfucker, he, he's a conspiracy guy. Yeah. And he just, he just goes off.

And I like to debunk the conspiracies. Yeah. And every time I start talking about how I don't believe this, he's like, white girl, white girl, don't go in there. You know how like, he's like how black guys in the movie theater, like, black girl, don't go into. He's going to die. He's going to die.

He's going to die. He's going to die. All the other people die. You know, and every time I try to do that, he's like, white girl. And so he's so deep in conspiracies. and I don't believe in conspiracy, so it's great because, and it was just this idea that actually Shab came up with.

And he was like, just you guys, you should, because it started with Eddie Bravo on the, when we did the fight companion, Eddie Bravo would be going deep and I'd be like, I don't buy it. You know, I don't believe it. You know, I think Islamic extremists did 9-11. Fuck that inside job.

Oh, my God, you know. You always got that dude yelling that. Yeah, so it's always, it's fun to do. So for that, that takes up a lot of time. Right. And then, but I got planning. We got some plans. What's the, what's the Patreon world like?

Because the only, the, the, the, I followed the Patreon world more so like when we were signing with Barstool and then you're kind of seeing the big moves like with Spotify. And now you see Joe Bud and leave Spotify go the Patreon, go the Patreon route. And now he's kind of trying to be like a catapult for the Patreon route. Well, Patreon is good. And I, and I love what they've done for us. But Vimeo is the hosting thing. And so when Sam talks about certain conspiracies, we,

we get taken down from Vimeo because they have a very strict policy against what they would consider disinformation, misinformation, misinformation, malinformation. So if you start talking about conspiracies in a certain way, they have a very strong policy. And so they will, so the problem with that is that it's very interesting because you're dealing, one of the challenges we're going to have as podcasters is that big tech does in many ways, they have a responsibility. Now, you can go one way or another, you know, but they tend to the challenge for big tech is that I do think they probably have a bias just like I think a lot of journalists have a bias and journalists have a bias and big tech has a bias because they tend to be more left wing than they are right wing or more left than center because they come from

parts of the country that tend to be more left big cities yeah the big cities they tend to be educated that way so there's going to be without you know as a human being you're going to have an ideological bent we all do and I think what happens then as you say, well, how do I make the world a better place? How do I make the world a safer place? And there tends to be this thing where it's like if somebody's talking about how the election is fraudulent or masks are not effective, there are people who go, wait a minute, that's, you're spreading information that's not true. That can cause damage. So I have to, I have to censor you. Now, whether that's right or wrong, I'll leave up to history and I'll leave up to people. I have a

problem with it. But I do sympathize also with an issue they have with people using their platforms. to spread harmful information, right? So I don't know what to do. I'm not in that position. But what's interesting is that when you're on Patreon and there's that threat looming or you're censoring yourself without realizing it, there are other technologies that come along

like this company called Rockfinn that works on Bitcoin, where you can do anything you want on Rockfin. I think I'd just heard of that. Or locals, you can do anything you want. Clay Matthew's on locals that's owned by Dave Rubin. So there are certain platforms where you can just say anything. And I think that's the future. I think the future is we need competition.

You can't have big tech owning all means of information. You can't. You can't have Amazon. If Amazon has that much power. And now apparently Bezos says there are some books he's just not going to allow to be printed. Okay. There's some books he's just not going to. Well, no publisher is going to fucking fuck with you if Jeff Bezos isn't going to carry your book on Amazon.

There's not, there's no money. that is a form of censorship. That is a form of book burning. And I'm huge, I have a big problem with that. So if you have the powers that be that can turn you off anonymously, when you get your accounts suspended, you don't know who did it. And you don't have a reason.

They just say you violate our practices and you're turned off. I've seen this happen. We all have. Yeah. I worry about that kind of power when it's anonymous, when it's not accountable. And I think what's going to happen is you're either, I think we're going to have to innovate our way.

out of that problem. What I love about the marketplace is that there are people who are very smart who are going to go, if you don't like that platform, come over here and we'll let you be totally free. Right.

And I think what happened with Parlor and what happened when they suspended the New York Post Twitter feed because they broke that story about Hunter Biden was people were like, dude, that's scary, man. That's scary. Because not everybody on Parlor

was an extremist. So now what? You know, now it's like, I don't want that to happen. Americans hate that shit. Americans should hate that stuff. It's like, wait a minute, man. You're telling me what I can and can't listen to.

You know, and I mean, they took the most powerful man in the world and turned him off. They took Donald Trump and it was a cyber assassination. I'm not a fan of that guy. He annoys the shit out of me in a lot of ways. But we do have a country now where the president. Right. And he's off everything. What do you try to make like some Snapchat or some?

Well, he probably is trying to come up with his own Trump media. But look, you've got Apple, you've got Google, you've got Facebook. You've got, you know, Microsoft. You've got these very, these players that have way too much power. We all are, we all depend on Twitter. We all depend on on these companies because our money depends on it. Right. If you get de-platformed, it's a major problem.

You can't pay your mortgage. Right. You can't feed your kids. You can't send your kids to school. You have to sell your house and move and your kids have to go to a different state or something. I don't know what you do. That's a very dangerous thing.

If you can be de-platformed for saying something that you believe, and it could be something like, I believe in the biological differences between men and women. If you say that, if you say that on certain platforms, you can be taken off YouTube. You can be taken off these things.

I don't think that's good for the freedom of expression. I don't think that's good for democracy. I don't think that's good for our country. I think it's fundamentally anti-American. I worry very much about that. So what I think the answer is that you need competition, you need alternatives. you know, I don't want to have to rely on these huge players.

They have outsized amounts of power. And this is going to bore the fuck out of everybody who's younger on Barcelona. But I'm going to say this. John Stuart Mill, the great American philosopher. He talked about why freedom of speech is so important. Freedom of speech is so important because if you believe something, you have to allow other people to speak their mind. Because first of all, they might make you uncomfortable.

But what happens when they make you uncomfortable is that you might change your mind. The only way we change our mind is if somebody comes in with a better argument that actually changes your heart and mind. Somebody shakes the foundation on which you think your truth is on. Okay. They come up with a better argument. They beat your idea with a better idea. And you go, I never thought of it that way. That's how I changed my mind.

That's how I always changed my mind. Somebody's smarter. Somebody who just has a different perspective comes along and somebody did it on the left. Somebody did it like with Michael Lewis's book, The Fifth Risk. basically talking about how a lot of what we do in this country is socialist. I mean, like how we need government. I rely on government, and I don't even know how I was. It was an eye-opener for me.

I was embarrassed, dude. I talk about being a, you know, a libertarian. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I don't know how government works. Right. It took me, I'm 54. No way, you look so much younger. But 54, who said that?

But the point is, at 54, I had to learn that that I actually, that government does all. I don't know anything about government. It was embarrassing. And I'm full of opinions. And I'm a libertarian. Are you, Brian? In every way? In every way?

Because apparently, I didn't know what the fuck the Department of Energy, Department of Agriculture, Department of Commerce does, but I rely on all of it. And so does this country. So there are a lot of government bureaucrats. There's a lot of things I don't know until I read something. And it gives me an argument and it changes my mind, changes my perspective. And the reason you need freedom of speech is because you have to allow other people, first of all, they might change your mind, okay?

They might make you uncomfortable. They might make you angry, but they might change your mind. or they say something that you don't agree with, and it just strengthens the foundation that you live upon. It reminds you of how your position is actually the truth. Confirms that bias. Yeah. Or not even bias.

Maybe it confirms the truth. So you need pushback. You need people with different ideas to test and play devil's advocate. And the way you deal with free speech is not censorship. It's with more free speech. even free speech you dislike. That's my thing. But that's John Stuart Mill.

What does he know? He's not smart at all. Yeah, so Patreon. That was the bathroom bank. Everybody's like, I'm going to the bathroom, dude. I was into it. I know Alex was. Alex is into that kind of shit.

But Alex is an educated man. You a reader? Got a good head of hair on you, bro. He does, doesn't he? How tall of you, bro? You look like you get some length of bone. Six, too. You're damn right you are.

He played baseball. You played baseball. Yeah. D1? Yeah. D1. Wait, you played D1? Yeah.

I'm sorry for not knowing that. That's okay. What did you play at? Bryant University. Yeah, I see you differently. Yeah. Bryant University? Yeah.

Are they D1 D1? D1 or they D1 AA? Hey, come on, man. Hey, come on. See what happens? D1, D1. We went to two regionals while I was there. Okay.

There you go. Okay. More position. Shortstop and then pitcher. Shortstop and pitcher. That's impressive. He went to N and a. I sure did.

Where were you living up there? I was in, I went to, I was a boarding school, so I lived on campus from 14 until 18. My parents threw me away. Don't worry about it. Yeah. I had buddies who went there. What's that? I had friends who went there.

Yeah. Dude, I saw you were all over the world when I checked your little Wikipedia page for a second. Until I was 14, yeah. The only reason I didn't go pro in football. Yeah, I bet, yeah. Didn't have, didn't, didn't learn the game earlier. Right, right. You weren't in it soon enough.

But I got grit. Yeah. Open my chest up. You know what you find? A fucking lion heart. Yeah. Doctors like, what the fuck is this guy? He's got a lion heart.

Yeah, because he was like, yeah, you know, I played football when I was 14. It's like once he gets like, he's like in, he's like, yeah, let's go play. Let's go see what this is about. Yeah. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. These guys are hitting way too hard. People would run hatch.

I was like, Jesus Christ. I'm not good with that stuff. Did you see that video going around? It's like I tweeted about it yesterday. It's like it's like wrestling basketball. I've seen that stuff. They're like, they're playing basketball, but they're wrestling. Yeah, tackle basketball.

Yeah. One dude's got the ball, right? And he's trying to, like, advance it down the court and stuff. And then just off to the side, you see two dudes just going at it. Dude, for no reason. That's Dagestan. Don't ever fight a dude with a chin strap for a beard, okay? Don't do it.

They got a far head that. They never lose their hair, and they got a chin strap for a beard, and they believe in God. And don't fight. And they've been training since they were one. That shit right there, dude. Just a bunch of wrestlers trying to play basketball. He's basically doesn't even have the ball.

He's just like, hey, fuck you, man. Dude, my buddy is a military guy. Well, he works for the government. He's in Azerbaijan. And Azerbaijan is right near Dagestan. And they, the MMA is a national sport. These guys are all wrestlers. Look at these fucking guys.

Can't wait to grab each other. Yeah. Like, there's somebody has a ball and you got to, yeah. These fucking guys are hugging. Yeah. You have four sets of dudes just going at it. Well, this is what happens when homosexuality is illegal in a country. You're like, let's play basketball in singlets, and we fucking got to grab each other

and hold each other until you can't move. Oh, I'm push my dick against your dick. Yeah, I'm straight. I'm straight. Oh, you smell good. Yeah, and that's the thing, too. My mouth on your neck. My mouth's on your neck.

Can they not shoot the ball? It doesn't. Well, he went and did a layup. Like, it seems like they can't shoot unless they're in the key. That guy's behind him. He's got him around the waist, and he's holding on him. The other guy's trying to post him out. Post him out by perking as wrong.

It would be hilarious if a ref just comes in and calls clasping. You know what's funny? You'd dominate in the sport. You would go in there and. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure I could dominate this where this isn't a sport that I would want to do. Like, I quit wrestling. Yeah. You know, I told my parents up to sixth grade, like, hey, I don't want to do this anymore.

And then, because my brother, he was really good at it. So it was like when football season was going, I had the attention. When wrestling season was going, Cody had the attention. He was always first to state. Yeah, Cody. He was a, yeah, national champion, state champion. Jesus. And genetics is stupid.

Wrestling was just, it's a difficult sport, bro. You live like this high for three, four months out of the year. Nightmare. Unless you do it all year round and travel and do all that stuff. And then in high school, I had to wrestle my junior year. because I didn't go out for baseball, like when I said I was going to go out for baseball, I decided to do football all year round. And my parents were basically pissed at me and said, whenever football was over,

I had to either wrestle or I was grounded all of winter sports. So I wrestled my junior year. Yeah. I love your parents. Yeah, so I do that to my son. My son lied. My ex things had him hard on him. My son, he lied.

I go, why did you lie? He goes, I don't know. I don't know. I go, hey, why did you lie? He goes, it's in my nature, okay? Oh, jeez. I go, oh, really? Really?

I go, cool. Tell you what? I'm going to grab a workout in the garage, in the cement garage, kind of cold on your feet. You're in bare feet? Very cool. I'm going to need you to stand and just watch me. I made them stand. Just stand in the fucking gym while I, in my garage, while I worked out.

That was his punishment. I said, I'm tired. I go, yeah, I know. You're a liar. So you're going to stand until the lie leaves you. So you just had to stand and watch you. workout the whole time. Yeah, that's right, dude. And I got a workout. Now, it was probably a 25-minute workout. I was a fucking eternity for a nine-year-old. He's like, dude, I'm so bored. I'm like,

yeah, I know. And I hate that you lied to me. Blighten it. Yeah. So if it's your nature, got to make you stand on cold cement till it leaves your nature. What kind of, workouts are you doing these days? Well, well, let's put it this way. I confuse my central nervous system, bro. I, I'm flipping tires sometimes. Maybe I wear a fucking weighted vest and I do some pull-ups. You know what I mean? Maybe some days I don't do a way to, maybe some days I do goblit squats and I go right into dips and then I go right into pull-ups. You never know with me. Maybe I'll roll around on a mat with somebody once in a while or just hit mitts and then glove up and put on a helmet in a mouthpiece and let the guy bang me up a little bit.

I don't know. I sound so fucking macho, dude. It's funny. It's like, that happens when you're a high school athlete and you're and you never made it. And you're surrounded by all the dudes that you surround yourself with. I'm like, I'm like, what kind of workouts are you doing? It's like, all right. He's trying to churn me right now. Let's bring some heat. I was doing, I was deadlifting.

I don't get embarrassed often. And Shab and Tim Tebow walked in. And I was deadlifting 1.45 for reps. Did you hit the knee? Did you hit a knee? Did you hit a T-bo? I didn't hit a knee. I didn't hit a knee.

But I was looking at my left arm, which looked like it belonged in, well, it belongs on a female ballet dancer. I mean, it's just so sad. How thin my... And I'm deadlifting. And they walked in. And I got embarrassed. I stopped deadlifting.

I stopped. I went, I'm done. I'm done with my workout. And then I did do more pull-ups than both of them. I hope they hear that too, because I did. Yeah. Is this at the new gym that Brandon's talk about how he...

Now, when this is the box and burn like four or five years ago? Oh, okay. Okay. This is back of the day. I got you. I got you. dead-looking now. He's guerrilla strong.

He's weird strong. Brennan? Or Tebow? No, well, yeah, Tebow, too. But they're strong and there's Brendan. Like, that dude. Oh, Brennan's strong like that. Like, he'll carry 100 pounds in each hand for six minutes. So he, yeah, he's got a grip.

I watched him deadlift. I watched him take 550 on the crossbar, 550. And he did 10 reps, 10 reps, he could have talked to me through him. 10 reps. And then he did 10 sets of 10 reps. So he did 100 with 550. I saw that with my own fucking eyes. Okay. And his brother told me that he got in trouble with Jim because when he was deadlifting

for weight, he was be bending the bar. Okay. He was be bending the bar. So he's got short fingers and really long palms. Does he? He's a freak. Yeah. I mean, he was, I mean, he was in, he was in MMA. Like those dudes had different strength, grip strength. You know what I'm saying? Like, Cody was like, Cody's like 170. He wrestled at like 150, 156, whatever the class. He's small. Yeah, he's smaller. No, he didn't.

And, but he could deadlift as much as me. He could do all this, all the stuff where you could pull. Any pulling movement, he was just a monster at it because they just have a different kind of grip. That's a nightmare on a bar. You don't want to fight your brother. No. Did you see that Oklahoma football player getting to do a fight with that MMA guy? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, got knocked out. Yeah. It's a different language. The ball player's always got to learn the hard way going up against wrestlers. Your hands are going to be down, and he's going to put his hand on your chin. You're going to go to sleep. Yeah.

Football is a different thing. You can tackle. Yeah. Cool. Now what? Right. Now what? Do that to a jihitsu guy who's very comfortable on his back.

Watch how long it takes before you tap it. Because you'll just fucking take your ankle. You got big arms cool. I'm going to get your ankle. You mind if I just, I'm going to wedge it here and just pop your knee. Is that cool? Let's pop your knee. They can do all kinds of weird shit.

You don't even what's happening. You're like, huh? But boxers are even worse. Or a Muay Thai guys? How did you get in all the fighting stuff? Just from wrestling? Don't like being pussy. Don't like being small.

Got to stand up for yourself. I don't want to be, I never wanted to be bullied. That's why I realized right away when I became a wrestler and I got a little bit good at it, the football players didn't fuck with me because I was like, you know.

So you were solid. It was a mentality. I don't know if I was solid, but, you know. You said you got good, you know what I mean? I mean, listen, you know, I'll keep you busy. You know what I'm. I went to Dan Gables wrestling Cam in Iowa.

Dude, those fucking Iowa dudes. I did. Kept them busy. Ask me how I did again. What's his? I met him halfway. So you're about to do a live pot at 7? Yeah, look at this shit.

Yeah, Zanis. Yeah. Big and hungry podcast. Do you... You said you recorded one earlier today, too. Is that one to kind of backlog? You know what I mean? Yeah, we're backlogging because I'm in, I'm in L.A. and he's in Nashville.

So we just stack them. And I'm going to be here a lot. I'm glad you're coming, dude. Do you think you think you're going to be set up here? Yeah. Yeah. We got to get Brennan out here. Brennan, you got to get out to Nashville, bro.

Now, Theo's out here when they were on. I was kind of poking the bear. Why not moving out? I was trying to poke the bear. I'm like, hey, Theo, why don't you, why doesn't Brennan come here? You got King and this thing. Now you bring the boys back? He just guessed it on this podcast I just did.

he's so funny. Dude, he's such an original. And I made him cry the last episode we did. You're welcome. I did this past weekend. He's deep. He goes deep too.

He's special, dude. He's an original. Yeah. Yeah, but we got the, you got your guys set up, Brennan, like we might as well start

turning that LA scene into the new Nashville scene. I just love this. This is incredible. This bus. Yeah. This was definitely tailored. The bus was tailored

because when they showed me the bus, I was like, how are we going to get all the equipment and everything? I was more starting at no. Was this our store? So when we, no, no, no. When we found the bus, it was, uh, Brennan was at the first spot that we were at. We were just in a, in a back parking lot.

We had this production, uh, these production guys that wanted to, um, who were doing it with us. And, uh, one of the guys, juice, shout out juice. He showed us, um, a picture of a bus. Would you guys be interested in doing on a bus? And I was like, me personally, no, but I know when Taylor shows up and sees this, he will want to go full. He'll want to go. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. I didn't meet.

Yeah, I know. He was, he was bummed, bro, that he couldn't be here. He's like, I get it, though. Like, we got to do it. We have to do it. I would have been on his lap probably. So when you bench press, do you, yeah, you, you, you, strong, huh? You want to ask me questions like that dude. He's, I mean, three-time pro bowler. One of the best left tackles in the game. But he's not fat. Not fat. See, he's 16%.

That's crazy. Yeah, it is. He's a piece on him, or is he working with a regular? No, he's my... I don't know, but I would say he's more of a grower than a shower. You've not seen it? I haven't seen the growth, no. I got to see what he's working with because I got to see,

because otherwise I'm... When you're in showers that we've been in, like... You're standing next to the old lineman. You know what I'm saying? You see some guys. Yeah, you see some stuff. You see some digs. Yeah, you see some shit.

Yeah. Well, there are guys... We're well versed in the... In the meat peaking game, dude. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But yeah, you'll have to come back and we'll have to do it again.

of being in the locker room. That's a good game. It's an amazing gap, guys. Congratulations. I've watched my beautiful. Yeah. Congrats on this. Yeah.

Derek, Henry, great run. This is great, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, man, well, I appreciate you coming on. I know you got to show and stuff, so. I appreciate having me, you guys. Yeah, I'm stoked, man. When is his hair?

This where. Oh, really? Yeah, we changed our. Come see me in Omaha, Nebraska. I think we're almost sold out, though. on Nebraska November no March 1112 13 and then I'll be in Huntsville Alabama an hour and a half away from here March 25 26 27 I think you might hit some Nebraska people since you know corn huskers oh yeah yeah so people hearing this will probably all right so you guys come out Omaha and then I'll be in limited capacity it sucks but I think oh really yeah but I think there's some tickets left and then Huntsville Alabama Levity Live where you performing at Omaha stand up what's that where you at Omaha funny bone Okay.

Funny bone. I watched, what arena was that? I watched Tash. Oh, he's so funny. When he was like in his, God damn, he's funny.

In the game. He doesn't seem like he does a whole lot as much now. He got so rich, but Daniel Tosh, I, dude, he was a whole fucking hilarious,

bro. There are two people I've come up to as a comic, and some people say, I do okay, right? Pretty funny, okay,

but I've been doing it a long time. Yeah. You're not going to impress me, mean them all halfway. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I meet you half, comedy-wide.

Keep you busy. I keep you busy. You remember me? Yeah. There's nobody I can't, I'm not going to not, nobody I'm going to be nervous about following, right? Right. But Daniel Tosh and Kat Williams were two people.

I walked up to and I didn't know Daniel. And I went, you might be the best comic in the world. And he goes, it's not true. I go, no, it is true. And I know the difference. He goes, no, it's really not true. But I appreciate that. I go, no, you're amazing.

And I was well established. It was like six years ago or seven years ago. I was pretty well established. And I'm like, no, you're amazing and you're the best. He's like, no, that's really not true. He's such a misanthrope. He could care less, but he's awesome. And then I said same to the Cat Williams.

I didn't know him, but I watched him and I went. Well, you're incredible. Yeah. Again, he might have known who I was. I don't know. But it doesn't matter. I was like, well, you're amazing. Yeah.

You're better than me. Yeah. Which I never say. Yeah. And I still don't believe it. Yeah, Daniel. Did you guys, do you guys know who Daniel touch is? So I just never know the difference.

You know what I mean? In an age. I don't know. Three years younger than you. Yeah, but, come. Oh. You're 31, bro. I'm the guy who's old.

I'm so old. We had rotary phones, for real. Rotary phones. I remember when the internet was, like, when Gmail was like, what is that? I remember when Rogan was the first person to ever be on the internet. And he showed me a video of a Japanese guy shitting into another guy's mouth. I said it. Oh.

And he was throwing up going, wait, look, he? And he put it. And I'm like, what am I watching? He's like, he's, he's hiding behind. Wasn't that just like webcams and shit then? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

But he had a huge computer room. And I was like, oh. So that's how old I am. He's like, this is going to be the thing. And you're like, okay. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I don't know what the internet is. Yeah.

I don't even have a fucking computer. Yeah. Yeah. So there it is. Well, I appreciate you, bro. Thank you. This was fucking awesome. You're a good man.

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