Bussin' With The Boys - Bus Don't Lie (with Johnny Manziel & Mike)

Episode Date: June 2, 2021

Recorded: May 31, 2021 | The Boys don't always drop crossover pods, but when they do, they drop BANGERS. Today's guests: the boys from Ball Don't Lie aka Johnny Manziel and Mike (formerly known as Mike Stud). The foursome kicks things off by diving into Johnny's football career, starting with his freshman year at Texas A&M when he was getting busted for fake ID's and suspended from all football activities. He walks The Boys through his college football journey: rejoining the roster, winning the starting job in just 11 days, having one of the wildest Heisman runs of all time, and more. Next, Johnny offers some insight into the reason he has no regrets about how he handled his transition into the NFL, what he thinks about his time in Cleveland, and how he has been able to reach a place of peace when thinking about how his football career came to a close. Then, truly being for the boys, Johnny and Mike both express their love for Nashville and talk about their favorite spots downtown. Taking a quick break from football talk, Mike opens up about why he moves around the country so much, why he wanted to start Ball Don't Lie with Johnny, and what their next moves will be. Finally, Johnny drops a bomb about a little side hustle he had while playing college ball (*the NCAA has entered the chat*)... This one is definitely one of our favorite episodes. Press play and enjoy. ----- BUSSIN' MAIL: Send a video to The Boys! bit.ly/BussinMail ----- EARN YOUR WOLF: Want to be featured on our Instagram Story? Screenshot this episode, tag @bussinwtb, and share it to your Story. The Boys will take care of the rest... ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy Silverado: The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Bearbottom Clothing: http://barstool.link/BearBottomClothingBUSSIN Bose: http://barstool.link/BoseBUSSIN Blockfolio-FTX: http://barstool.link/BlockfolioFTXBUSSIN Georgia Boots: http://barstool.link/GeorgiaBootsBUSSINFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There were some who believed he had star potential, some who believed he would be an average player, others who believed he would be a bust. I think everything went exactly the way that it was supposed to. Good evening. So when you see somebody like a Johnny football be at the top, you're like, how does this guy not have a perspective on what he's doing? You know, the rise was really quick.

rapid and fast and everybody wanted a piece of it and the energy that came with it never once in my mind clicked it this is what this guy is living and dreaming for to come in and just get in the building to make any amount of money and you have this opportunity that you're swandered. So was it a vicious circle of being in something

realizing okay this is in... It would have been based on what everybody else perceives you as so if the NCAA wants to take my fucking nine and four season away and my Chick-fil-A bowl against Duke, fucking below me. You're looking Chuck Budge you guys got over that. Dude, we don't like to give free shoutouts out here,

but you slap the boys on it. It's no longer a free shoutout. It's officially a collab going for chub buds. I think we've got to let some fly soon, but you guys are, you guys crush the advertisement for that too. Like every time I see one of y'all, it's clicking, you got some girl with some bolt on, fucking snapping a can off going after it.

You know, it's interesting. It's, uh, I would say I'd credit it to TikTok, a lot of our growth. TikTok's up that thing that does all that. That thing boomed off on TikTok, just some like kids. There's like sub. cultures on TikTok where there's like this drinking culture

that I wasn't aware of. Right. But we started like we went from doing the flash sales on them where I would We were literally in my like fucking house in L.A. I had assembly line of like five of my buddies putting these things together. Like these just assembling them,

roughing it, figuring it out. Somebody's cutting the strings. Somebody's tying the knots going down the assembly line. Yeah. Yeah. And then we would do like we just crank out like 2,000. It would take us like three weeks.

and then they'd sell out. I was marketing the whole time in a discreet way, but I was just like, kept doing them on my stories. They'd be like, what the fuck is that thing, you know? And by the time we put them on sale,

they would just, they would fly. So then the first time when we started mass producing, like probably about three, four weeks into it, for whatever reason. It went from like,

you know, five, three, four thousand dollars a day in sales to like, just quadrupled. And we had no idea why. It turns out like some big, You know, they're like 21-year-old kids, like kind of fratty kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, one of them. Put some music behind it. Yeah. A lot of his music, too. They're just, like, smashing beers. It's a twofer. His music and the choked. It just became a thing on TikTok.

And then we just... When did you start making him? We've been doing... We've been producing him for about a year, working on them. Like, I acquired, I acquired... So this kid hit me up. He was a college kid making him in his dorm. Just had, like, a few of, like, a few of them.

them, you know, but it wasn't even really selling them yet. Yeah. And, uh, and hit me. And hit me and go. Got to work through diversity around here. I apologize for that. We'll work through it. Well, we're not a logistics company either, man. We'll work through it. Um, but yeah, man, like hit me up was like, hey, man, I got this thing out. I'm been trying to get in front of you. I happen to see the DM. I said, yeah,

send them out, you know, sat in my kitchen in L.A. for like, in a box for like four weeks. And then we're about to go on tour, having a late night festivity over there. And people busted them out. And I started seeing everyone. do. And people are like, oh, like, even like, you know, L.A. people, which isn't really like, wouldn't like set. Right. It wasn't really like a drinking culture out there like, like, you like Nashville, not even close, you know, so. And that's just different. Different. Different. Love it out. Yeah. Yeah. But even just seeing them, you know, I come from kind of like the drinking culture world, you know, so just seeing that reaction, I was like, man, this might be something. So I ended up

flying the kid out. We were going on tour. I flew the kid out. We met. And then I just slowly like acquired the whole company from them. You know, he's, he's ending on it partially, but yeah. Was he get like royalties? Does he have the equity in the company? He has some points on the company. Yeah. You know, I got him a million dollars for it, which he, you know, he hadn't made any.

Yeah, he's in college, a million dollars. Like, you make it sound like it's, right. He gave him $10 in a pack of chewing gum. A million dollars is a lot of fucking money. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good deal. It was, and, you know, it's vested, and he has points on the company and shit.

So it's a great deal for both of us. But, man, it was pretty, so pretty lucky, like, talk about just, like, like open up your phone. There's a, no doubt because you're like, oh man, this dude's got something. Yeah,

he has like that kind of like, he's like a special kid. He has like that little like inventors trait, you know? Like, yeah, some people have those.

Yeah. See something that makes it, puts it together. He's just like, put this little idea. You close to the kid or is the kid like a right? He's like that.

He actually was out in L.A. Like we became buddies. Yeah. He's out in L. I think he's going back to Illinois. He's from Illinois. Really? Where do you go to school?

Couldn't fucking tell you. All right. small school in Illinois, but, you know, just, man, got lucky. Yeah, that's awesome. It's been nice. It's been nice. We got to sell some. I got some, I got some barster ones doing Brianna.

Do you know Brianna, chicken fries? Yeah, the chicken, the one that she's kind of new there. Yep. We're doing one with her. We're doing one with Dana. Like some. Yeah. Smart move.

Got to be a big move to do it. Yeah, big beer guy. Start with those guys. So do you, do you follow Dana? Do you believe that he's back? That's a big thing for whatever reason. Do you think Dan is here? He's here.

He's back. He's back. He's back to being relevant. Yeah, he's back. I love that. That's good. I like to see that kind of spora. I don't know.

I'm a fan of Dana, too. I just don't know what becomes back. Oh, for real? He's a good time, man. We would have expected him. Yeah, he seems like a beauty. I don't know if he's back. I don't know.

Back for him. He's somewhere, though. But I love, like, honestly, it's such a sweet, like, sweet, nice guy, too. Yeah, he is. Yeah. What an interesting way to describe another man. She's a sweetheart. I love that.

If someone called me, someone's like, yeah, Taylor, yeah, yeah, he's a sweetheart. I'm like, well, that's kind of, that's sweet of them to say. Yeah, super nice to say, dude. Probably in your profession, you're not going to get that very often. No, and also my personality off the field kind of matches everything. I was not. I don't think anybody would really make me call me sweet or anything like that. But, oh, okay, so this is Bustin with the Boys, and it's sponsored by Chevrolet.

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So, yeah, 2014 draft class dude. Super cool college. We're obviously one of the most dynamic football players to ever play. Being in college at the same time as you and me and Will watching you. I can't imagine what that was like in college. Let's start there. Let's start at college. For you, take me in the beginning.

You're a freshman. Don't know which way's up. And then hit me, obviously, the next year you win the highsman, correct? Yeah, it was quick, man. Crazy story. I graduated early, so I got on campus, you know, at the beginning of January, just anybody else does when they first get there, especially being the young guy in a locker room, um, fucking lost, but yeah, no idea which way is up, how to get here.

Just literally a fucking punk-ass kid trying to get into a bar and maybe drink a beer away from your parents for the first time. But, uh, yeah, graduate early, go to A&M. I red shirt in my first year. Uh, we were in the big 12 as well, which was a big, uh, uh, Big difference over the years. Getting to red shirt and travel with the team the first year and go to places like Ames, Iowa and all in Lubbock

and all these places. Nebraska. The next year. Nebraska came to us. But then the next year we're playing in the SEC and obviously getting a chance to actually go out and rip it up and play a little bit. It's just completely different getting to see the two conferences that way. But, you know, funny story I haven't told a lot of people before.

So I go into spring football that year. This is your red shirt freshman year? 12. Yeah, this is my red shirt freshman year. First chance to get a chance to, you know, get any reps, get some playing time, anything in the spring. Had as about abysmal the fucking spring as you could have. Throne picks all day in practice. Can't run around. Can't do my thing.

Just feel cooped up. And in the spring, fourth on the depth chart, not even close to having a chance to compete for the starting job, just fucking struggling. somewhere between that time between the end of spring ball and fall camp. You know, I go out and have a couple too many red, white and blue Budweisers on the 4th of July weekend. And I got caught with three fake IDs at my wallet. It's this thing. We'd go online, type in all your info, and then this little toy car would show up. We'd come in like a toy from China.

And then you'd open it up and underneath, you'd take out the batteries of the car and there's your fake IDs. No shit. Oh, shit. That's the... Flaminated and everything? Oh, perfect. Really, really good. Had to get Louisiana

because Texas ones were really hard to say. So I hate cutting you off, but why three? It was a package deal. I think it was like 300... It was like a trading cards. You lost a one? The cool thing was when you go to a gas station or something, and you hand him her ID and the guy knows it's not you or knows it's fake,

you can just walk out without having to try and get it back. Yeah, snap it from them and get out of there. Hit the right straight out the door and just take off and just beat it. So, you know, that little incident, it happens and I'm fourth on the depth chart, recently walking out of Brian College Station jail and looking pretty bleak

and this is July. Fast forward, 11 days into college football training camp and play great. Win the job in 11 days. We play forward to the first game and then, you know, a Heisman season kind of goes from there. That was the year you won the Heisman?

So you won the job in 11 days. How do you go up the depth chart one position? I credit the Cliff Kingsbury, man. That's a guy who really changed my life for the better. I mean, he was like, listen, we're going to get your feet wet in the spring. You're going to learn the system. You're going to do this.

But, you know, whether we had a depth chart or not, he wasn't grading me off any of that. He was grading everybody what we had in the fall and what you look like coming back after summer workouts. So, you know, I hang out with him a lot now. He's obviously in Arizona with the Cardinals. I'm a Scottsdale guy. So I see him a lot. And he's always told me that, uh, I was. He wanted me to be his guy.

He saw a lot in me. He's from New Bromfels in Texas, and I played right outside of there. So just a guy that believed in me. He gave me a chance, played really good in spring ball, and life changed in three months from there. Part of that story you're missing out on that, I think, is you got in trouble,

and then you ended up having to run, like a... Oh, that means... Yeah, that is a big story. There's two other little pieces of that. You told us something about on that. So when I got in trouble, Texas A&M is a big story. school of like honor code and ethics and things like that to where if you get in trouble even outside of campus or just in the town of Bryan College Station they pretty much send your case

to a review board of the school so when the job in 11 days and then the day after um i get named the starter i go to this meeting in front of this review board for my behavior or whatever i go through the meeting tell them tell them what happened obviously apologize and um they suspended me from college athletics for a year and put me on academic suspension. No shit. So win the job one day, next day go to this meeting thing.

I'm just going to slap on the wrist. Something's going to happen to getting completely banned and not even be able to play intramural athletics, which would, if I'm not going to be able to play starting the SEC,

I may as well go to the wreck and fucking tear it up. Yeah, no question. So that happens. I had to meet with Coach Summon. He's pretty much like, every day we have a practice, even if it's in the morning

or in the afternoon. you run 10 gassers before the practice and you run fucking 10 after yeah and you practice yeah and you practice brutal so they're fucking wearing me out but I ended up leading the SEC in rushing that year rushing Todd Gurley somehow and I think a lot of it was beneficial from that punishment I think I was in the best shape on the team because I'm out there running 120s have gassers a week half gasser's back this happened this happened your registered freshman year your name is starter and then he has to spend it for a year Well, how do they rescind that suspension?

I had to collect a ton of letters from people within the like our academic office or the place, our study hall, our teachers, coaches, and had to collect probably 20 letters, family members back home from high school. No way. They all wrote letters for me and probably got about 20 or 30 letters and sent them into the review board. And I went back up for another review and they rescind it to like a lower level of academic probation so I can play sports. Did you do that or did the school like hand-on? It's a good question, something I never really wanted to find out. I was really nervous, man. I was just a kid trying to ever touch the field in the SEC, much less.

We're playing Florida the first game at home in front of 100,000 people. New conference for us. This is all I could have ever dreamed for. And I could name a starter in the next day they'd tell me to fucking, you're out. Kick rocks. Pretty much. Do you feel like you're obviously running 20 gassers a day to continue to be the starter? Like when you got in trouble and you're having to go through all this stuff,

like it seemed like you're pretty remorseful like you wanted to like you know this isn't this isn't who I want to be this isn't what I want to do going into unless you were just like like fucking grunting those gassers out every day still thinking like you know I'm still going to be fucking I think I think it made me I think it made me better for sure it um that period allowed me to put myself in a position to have success that I did that year in college I think um I've always always work better with somebody being jumping down my throat and being on my ass because I tend to get lazy and not do shit that I don't want to do. Yeah.

I'm a punk ass. But, you know, I think it kept me in line and got me to a point where I really went and focused on trying to be really good at football and play well and live my dream type of thing. And that's what I got to do that year. And I think it was a great stepping zone at all. I look back now and say that there were no accidents in my life, even with what happened in Cleveland or this and that. I think everything went exactly the way that it was supposed to.

I think there's other things out there that I'm meant for, and I think fate has worked its way in a way that things have gone exactly the way that they should have. You think things went exactly the way it was supposed to go? I do. That's interesting. The only reason why I say that is because, like, things go the way they're supposed to go when the things that are uncontrollable happen. Of course.

But the things that you, and we'll get with this is a little farther down the road. When you got to the NFL, like everything, all the actions were controllable. Yeah, probably so. So when you say like it's all, what did you say, it happens for a reason or supposed to happen? No, it's supposed to happen. So if you went back, you wouldn't do anything different. You didn't do it the same way. You wouldn't do nothing different.

I wouldn't. I, for four years, five years of my life, I went through the roller coaster of, man, I guess really depression after I got cut in L.A., or it got cut from Cleveland and moved to L.A. I went through waking up every day wanting to have a time machine to go back to our draft in 2014 and maybe tell this team to get fucked or go to another team or go in the second round or work through every single scenario in my head. And I think I've got to the point now where maybe I just really didn't ever love football to the point of what it takes to be successful in the NFL.

So when you went from the Browns, what did you go from there? You went to the CFL or XFL or really? I took a year off and then I went to the CFL and then went and played in the AAF in the same year. And how long did it take you to realize that maybe I didn't love football the way I thought I loved football? When I walked back into the locker room in Canada for the first time, I was really excited going to the press conference the first couple days on the field. But when the grind really started and the normal workload and it's a 30% workload in the CFL compared to what we do in the NFL. Yeah, it's like OTAs every day, right? It's pretty much like you're in the building at 9 o'clock, you're done at 1 o'clock, you get free time to do whatever you want.

So I mean, you spend a couple extra hours in there. you're done in at nine you're done at three compared to what we do on a Tuesday or Wednesday or whatever day in the league where it's early season 630 in the morning until 8 o'clock at night or something like that so when I moved and went back into the locker room in Canada and starting getting back into it again I felt the exact same way every single feeling that I had when I was in Cleveland came right back to me and I'm like I don't love this whatsoever you don't want to do this but you went you went uh Canadian league you went to that spring league and I and I and then I went to the AAF and the AAF in Memphis.

So was it a vicious circle of being in something, realizing, okay, this isn't for me, leaving it being like, okay, this isn't better my identity for X amount of years, my father, the people I love, think this is what I'm supposed to be doing. So you get back into it. And then it was a vicious circle over and over again. A lot of it was now I sit back and reflect and call it what it is, but for like a long point in time, I didn't accept it for what it was. I was, you know, listening to outside people or go back and watch an old highlight

tape and be like, fuck, man, I can go on the backyard right now and do that right now. I do the same shit and throw a ball around the same way. So it just, it took a lot of time and a lot of just, I've got to a point now in my life where I'm able to really reflect and sit back on things and my mood has changed. My lifestyle is a little bit kind of the same of what I do and how I live my life. But just the way I think and the way that I interact with people and the way where my life is, now I'm completely different than I was. And I think a lot of it has come because of acceptance.

You seem much more calm. I didn't know you like that. But in 2012, at the Walter Payton thing, being around you, and admiring you from afar. Like, that's Johnny Mansell. You know what I'm saying? You and I are both all Americans, but I'm looking at this guy going,

fuck, that's, you know, that's whatever. I'm in the class with this fucking dude. And then you go to the bar and you're fucking, you're holding court, like all, everyone's around you. And I'm looking at you like, I want to do that. I want to be a part of that shit.

And so, but your energy was so high. And you seem like you're so on the next thing looking back on it. Obviously, at the time I'm like this, I want to do that shit too. You know what I'm saying? I was getting just as much trouble on a way smaller scale. Yeah, that's kind of what ball don't lie. Like, I've been buddies with him for, more or less, one was, probably 2014.

Yeah, I mean, even probably even before that. I've known him a long time. And that was kind of the idea, you know, we talked about this for a while. I just wanted people to see the side of him that, you know, there's a lot of connotations. obviously that have traveled with the story. And it's obviously a notorious story, like, just, you know, what he's gone through and what it looked like from afar. But knowing him then and being with him through it, you know,

and just in LA, we were neighbors for a while. I would see it. There'd be times we're like, man, like, you know, I didn't want to, like, we'd be buddies, but, you know, I'd want to stay. I want to let him work through what he needed to work through. And then it got to a point, I'm like, I could feel that there was a level of peace where, like, he had clarity.

He went and did Canada. Like, you know, I remember we were doing a comeback season thing. I did some branding stuff for him then, too. And he didn't have, like, clarity on, he didn't have closure or clarity on it. And I feel like those were necessary steps for him just as a friend. Like, go, look, go get that last nut up. Like, see if you can do it again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doesn't still get your fucking dick hard or not. You know what I mean? And I remember talking to him. He's like, man, it just doesn't, you know? And then what ball don't lie? what I think that, what that real undertone of that is just like, when you ask him that question, like, would you do it different? You know, the realization, we've had a lot of these late night conversations and talks about these types of things.

And that was kind of the main realization. It's like, dude, if it's not in your heart and your mind and your soul, like your God gifts, you know, he's God gifted, talented at football, right? But at some point, if it doesn't get your rocks off and it's not what you want to do. It's not what you're supposed to do. You know what I mean? That's what I wanted him to share about, you know, just from that perspective, it's just like, man, at some point, what is it really about? You're living your life.

So if you don't get up and, like, yo, I got to, I know, obviously it takes a lot of mental fortitude. You talk about fortitude all the time. Like, to be an amazing quarterback in NFL, I mean, I only know what he tells me, but just the level of preparation for you guys, the level of dedication it takes. And if it's not in your heart to do that, like for anything in any walk of life you know what i mean that's how i feel like it's not in your heart of hearts to go pursue that with all of your passion or as much passion as it takes and it's not

your path you know it's not it's not the path that you're supposed to walk forever you know and that's how i felt and i think that's what that's really what like i wanted to share in the ball don't lie scenario just like i want him to share that side of it just like dude that was a big thing that took off bald don't lie that was the reason why you guys want to start something i mean we uh we sit and have a bunch talks like this just about life and being two guys around the same age trying to just figure it out. Like a lot of Mike's music has been one step after another learning as you go. And I felt like, you know, I learned more, you know, the rise was really quick and rapid and fast. And everybody wanted a piece of it and the energy that came with it was just through the roof.

You know, it was crazy to think back and say maybe eight or nine years ago there was only a couple athletes maybe on the face of the earth, at least maybe in the United States who had, who maybe I was as famous as. Like maybe me, LeBron, Tom Brady, like a couple other times. No, you're up there for sure. Yeah, Johnny football. It was really up there. And, you know, just looking back on it now, it's crazy to say,

and not a lot of people have understood this when I've said it. But, like, I've been longing and trying to get back to a sense of normalcy. Life went from really normal, a kid from fucking Curville, Texas, that nobody knew to a Heisman a year later, to the whole rise going to the NFL and dealing with that. my whole mission in the last couple years has been trying to get back to a sense of normalcy and just feeling like one of the boys again.

That's why I want to come on the bus, talking like, I just want to be one of the fucking bros. Just walk in the streets. Guys ask me while we're here in Nashville. It's like, yo, what the fuck are you doing out here, man? I'm like, dude's Memorial Day weekend, trying to come out, have some fun with my boys

the same way you are. Yeah. Trying to just have a good time. That's it. There's nothing else to it. Just the guy trying to have a beer at Ford's Georgia Lime bar and eat some K-Sof. we had a lot yeah too like and it's like you know would you do anything different like living in regret and all that kind of stuff it's like yeah like as a human being you're gonna sit there like I wish I had my experience now that I did back then and I just don't because if you're if you're sitting there living in regret all the time and you just like live in the past at the end of the day you're just like you just like have illusions about like what life should have been based on what everybody else perceives you as you know what it's really what it's really what

drove a lot of my mental health struggles and a lot of things. It took me years, man. I went through a point where my schedule flipped around and I couldn't sleep throughout the middle of the night and I would sleep during the middle of the day. And this would go on for weeks at a time. And I would just beat myself up every day watching guys who I went up against in college or friends with. And you can't help but almost get to a point of like envy or jealousy at times

watching guys go out and live the dream of what you thought you were supposed to do. But I can honestly sit back and say today that I'm happier with, less. I'm happier without all the fame and I'm happier on the path that my life is going and I don't know where the fuck it's going. I'm cool with it. I'm rocking with everything that comes my way and just kind of piece by piece day by day just figuring it out. Something will come. Do you know, as far as like a career, do you know where you want to go from here? You know, luckily, you know, in our draft class in 2014, if you're a first round pick, you got to make a decent pretty amount of change.

And a big Nike deal too, right? I had a nice old Nike deal, got some great, great sponsorships, and then, you know, been freelance in the last couple years. I did a barstool a podcast or a podcast with Barstool for a year on college football. I've been just doing some stuff here and there, you know, just kind of trying to figure it out. But, you know, I'm working on this golf thing. I'm really addicted to the golf life right now.

Oh, you're a beast like that. I'm about a zero handicap. I'm getting better. I've knocked it down, probably 10 strokes in the last year. So I'm addicted to. it man it's something it's the best rush that i've got in sports since playing football i feel it makes me feel a little bit of the same way we're out all night partying or whatever i have a dm t time i'll miss very many probably zero of those ad mt times no matter how how banged up and hurt i am it's just

looking back at it we've been talking about this is like something that gets me out of bed in the morning there for a long time there wasn't a lot of anything that would get me out of bed in the morning depression i'll do that to you no doubt depression is a real thing for sure william what a perfect stopping point. All right, give it to me. Oh, bro, this is light. I love it. This is light, bro.

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What sucks, I had that last week, and I looked out with it. Yeah, Taylor last week, we had Dave on. I did get rattled up. Taylor legit fell apart. Dave and I were in the middle of something, and we were going back and forth. Jaws sets were happening, and then I had to go to this and the whole reading thing. I see him. He's up in the screen, and I see beads of sweat coming down.

Well, it was a hot day. And I'm thinking like, you know, be there for him. You're doing great. My man literally quits. Like, he's just losing some board game, but 10 years old. Like, Will, Will, finished this shit. I was nervous. Did I get nervous? Easy.

Dave will put you in the blender. Yeah, there's performance and there's performance in front of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, he was out there, dude. Dave does like the chirp. Yeah. He's, he's about that. Before we got on, Robert's I've known Dave forever. He's, uh,

do you know the KV, you ever hear his rap song? No. Yeah, he got, it was, it was like, probably like three, four years for you guys, got into it. He, him and KFC did like a rap this back and forth. And I produced it out for him.

Oh, for real? Yeah. But I've known Dave forever, and it's, we talked about it. I think on a few of our, one of our episodes, our past episodes, just, like, as much as the barstool growth and their expansion as a company has been so impressive. Right. I mean, I give Dave's flowers all the time when I see him in Predacella. I know people, he's a big chirp guy. Yeah.

But his personal, like, brand, just Dave Portnoy, has been super impressive to watch. Dude, it really has, man. dude i i know i'm very fucking long like i've seen i've seen the trajectory and just seeing like what he's done and the move i the moves he's making it just makes a lot of sense but it's impressive as much as barge still itself is super impressive right but his own individual brand like you know kind of his own thing to he's 100% his own thing yeah it's crazy it's impressive way watching his 20 20 we we touched on a little bit last week his the way he took down a pandemic yeah the content he was able to put out over and over you in the unboxing

the frozen pizzas. It never has. I've eaten Jack's pizza before, but literally every time I think of Jack's pizza and I think I'll fuck those guys because of Dave Portnoy. Yeah. He said fuck these guys. He was so adamant about it, dude. Yeah.

He did such a great job. I've looked at it with like the amount of people he's helped too last year. The whole small business thing and the amount of athletes and people he got to give back to people who still to this day desperately desperately needed it. I thought that was not special at the same time as he can be. And people have, you know, to say what? they have to say about him. Fuck all that.

That guy's a legend. He really is. And the way he owns his words. You know how it is. Everybody's mad these days. Dude, people want to get mad about something. We were in a group chat with him.

He left Nashville. We were in a group chat with him and he was like, tell them soft preds fans go fuck themselves. So I'm like, here come the clicks, dude. I pull up my Twitter. I'm like, porn alone. Let you guys know. Soft ass pretz fans. And you go, fuck yourself.

These do start coming down my throat, no pause, about like how I'm a soft ass and fuck you and all this stuff. And I'm like, You know, I didn't do nothing, dude. I was just, I was just the messenger. But, like, people just want to get mad about whatever. They, whatever comes up, they want to hate on you. They want to, everything, music, our podcast, when I'm playing.

Yeah. Dude, that's one thing I envy about you being able to get out of it is when you're in the middle of the season. Like, I'll go in and I'll have a couple penalties. And it's an absolute fucking bloodbath. I just get, I get verbally destroyed on Twitter. And you know, you don't want to look. But a lot of times you do look. Yeah.

And it eats at you. it definitely it's one of those does it bother not like even oh 100% yeah absolutely success you've had it uh like I'm always reaching for more like that's that's my personality

is like I always like you know how can I stay relevant as a football player how can I keep what's the next thing I can do to make myself that much younger I'm turning 30 this year and it's like I tore my ACL I had a PD the year before it's like yo how can I stop the bleeding on this

like these last two years and yeah dude when you read that stuff it does suck. It's a hard thing to look at because you're like, especially when you're trying your best, like, legit, I'm giving it in my all. And people are like, you know, fuck this dude, you're like, man, it's just hard, you know? I'll talk about

sports fans a lot. It's an interesting dynamic, really is. Between fans and players, like having that access? It's just like, it's just an interesting perspective that sports fans have that I feel like is kind of not outdated, but it's just like,

there's a disconnect. It's like, You don't have any ownership of these players. Just because the team, you live in this region and your team's paying them a lot of money. Yeah. Because they're the best in the fucking world at this, right? You have no say in how they fucking lead their lives. You know what I mean? Or like, there's literally people like, shut up and do this.

You know what I mean? Like, all shut up and dribble stuff. Yeah. As a fan, how the hell in your mind do you think you have that say? Like, it's just an interesting dynamic. Like, I don't, I don't shit on sports fans, I'm just like, I feel like they're out of touch. I feel like they're like a little bit disconnected of like reality in the sense of what's

really happening. Stuff must be going on at home with them. You know what I mean? You can be a real sports fan and just know that shit's going, you know. They're just like, they're vicariously through you, dude. They see us on the field. They see you making music. Right.

And there's two ways they can go, I want to be that. I'm going to strive to be that or jealousy comes out. Well, how come he gets to be successful? How come this guy gets to do this? Well, this guy's not taking advantage of this situation. Right. And that's their one connection to being like in that dream of all of stuff. And like you said, why can I be in that position?

Like I was stoked to have this to have you on the bus because I came right before you guys. I think we played each other in a preseason game. But I just know from a- We're probably in Washington, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know from an undrafted player's mindset when you watch like what, where you were and what you had and everything else and it gets swindled in my mind because I'm obviously at that point in time my identity is full. I'm going to be an NFL football player. So when you see somebody like a

Johnny football be at the top and then not in my mind take advantage of that opportunity, you're like, how does this guy not have a perspective on what he's doing? Which I know like a lot of guys, that's kind of how it works in such a competitive natured world. We're all just, we're constantly competing. No matter what, like you said, you're sitting home. You see people pass you by. Like we're so embedded to be competitive that when you see somebody in your mind ahead of you, it's like, how are they not this? Because I'm like, in my mind, man, if I was a draft pick or if I was the first round or if I was this guy, like, I would be doing X, Y, Z. But I know ultimately, like, I'm living in my own head about it, but I was fascinated to have you on to kind of learn about this up and down ride

you've been on. I would say I lost a huge part of my competitive spirit when I got to the NFL. I would say when I got handed, you know, this amount of money, just first round pick, you're going to be the court. I just, something about when I went to Cleveland, whether it was my first couple OTAs or training camp or that, all of the confidence that I had, you know, and acquired from college going into the NFL, by the time September rolled around and game one rolled around, I had absolutely fucking zero of it left. None. I had no confidence in what I was doing, how to play the position, not putting the time in. And it got to a point where I question myself a lot of if I could really even do it. And, you know, I always look

back and talk about the situation in Cleveland and if it was exactly right and, you know, it is what it is. You know, it happened the way that it did. And a lot of it, you know, I take a lot of ownership on it because a lot of the things could have been overcome with hard work and time and spending more time in Cleveland and adapting that as home rather than how I kind of acted and maneuvered around, which was, you know, I just kind of stayed away from it a little bit. And my life was all over the place. And, you know, but the confidence in the competition that we were talking about. Like, we had guys undrafted free agents. I think we had maybe six or seven that year that were undrafted free agents on our Browns team that made the roster and

ended up going on and having new contracts and doing great. So I got to see these guys and it never once in my mind clicked that, you know, this is what this guy is living and dreaming for to come in and just get in the building to make any amount of money. And you have to see. this opportunity that you're squandering. And for me, it goes back to just, you know, I didn't have a lot of confidence in myself and my ability because of the way, you know, my life was kind of going. And I don't think I ever just got that passion and that fire of something that you would have had trying to get on the team and trying to go through training camp like your life

dependent on it, going to that day at your locker where you open it up and make sure you don't have to go to see the GM to turn your playbook in type of thing. Yeah. You know, I think that sense of me being a first round. pick and having guaranteed years and things like that probably was a disservice to me looking back to say it that way as much as if it was a blessing i needed i needed a little tougher stricter situation because i was just all over the map because i mean people did it all the time jerry jones did that allegedly with des brian i don't know it i don't know the guy personally but i'm

sure i've heard that he had like a legit like a babysitter like hey you can't do this in the beginning of his career and kind of helped him on that path and then you know fit is everything i got drafted Tennessee at 11, I was fucking pissed. Not because it was Tennessee, but because two guys were drafted ahead of me. Like, I've always, like, been able to find a way to keep a chip. You know what I'm saying? Greg Robinson. Yeah, Greg Robinson and

Jake Matthews. I love it. Griggs right now, dude, doing whatever in jail. I'm pretty sure he's in prison right now. Yeah, he got caught with like 158 pounds of weed and a BMW. How do you fit that in a coop? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, you got to brick that shit.

You know, like, hey, that shit's got to be like, that's like, two pounds, right? the back to put 50 more back thing like you get pulled over you know you're fuck bro that he get pulled over and he was like by utap like he's like an alpaso at the border like there's cops everywhere interesting you know what I'm saying but always what happened now yeah yeah no you know it happened like two years ago I think it was like last off season but um but what I was trying to get out was you know Cleveland they had a lot of success this year there were they've really turned around the culture and I'm super

happy for them but at the time and nobody wanted to go to Cleveland when we're at the rookie symposium we're like this fuck this is blows that was bad that was not fun you know you're eating rhesus peanut butter cups and going people got to play here like like that's just down if you would have ended up at a spot like i don't know like i don't know that how the team is but like peteral at seattle he's a high energy dude seems like he really gets it gets love with the quarterbacks like fits in real good you go to a place like the patriots that's super structured it could have been totally different well we had uh i mean i got i got to be my first year offensive coordinator was Shanahan. So from the football side of that with him as far as the offense goes was a real

fucking treat to be around that guy and get to watch him coach, you know, O-Wine, tight-end, receivers. As far as the offense goes, what he did was badass. Now, the dysfunction and what we had in the building between like head coach and OC and GM and the things that we had go on behind the scenes are just ludicrous. Now looking back at it. Like GM's taxi. mid-game to the OC to play a guy on the bit, like just really, really wild shit. And you was a clue to tell you that stuff? I mean, I had to, our quarterback coach, Dow Loggins, he's, he was, he was awesome. Arkansas SEC guy.

We had a cool relationship. And we talked about a lot of this shit. Because them being coaches in the league for, you know, four, five, six years before that, they had never seen anything like this. And there's a clip that came out and I see it on Twitter every now and then. but it's from 2014, one of our Browns games, and Kyle Shanahan's going to call his play, and the camera on the sideline's looking at him,

and the head coach jumps on the mic, Mike Pettenney, he's like, hey, run the ball here. And Kyle Shanahan kind of looks at him, like, what the fuck are you talking about, bro? I game plan all week every fucking day for this defense to go out and get 7 to 11 in the red zone and run this play that we have called in our quarterback room. to go score a fucking touchdown.

Yeah. What does he do? Fucking fakes it and keeps it and throws it in the flat for a touchdown. Just look there looking at each other like, it's a standoff. It's a Mexican standoff on the side line. That is so brutal.

And I've seen the clip and we're sitting, I'm the fucking earpiece in with mouth full of seeds. Like, hopping along and I'm watching this go along. Like, what in the fuck are we doing? And that was how it was for the first, you know,

my first season. And, you know, me and Brian Hoyer, Brian Hoyer was a guy who was trying to, this was his shot, to get a chance to start, to go make some money, to make a name. And this ended up, that year, propelled him to being able to go to Houston and back

to New England and go, you know, live a life in the NFL, that year of him finally getting to start. You know, our relationship was a little rocky there. I'm the young punk that, you know, the media talks about every day and all the things that come into it. That's got to be tough on his side to see all that. I see it from his side, though.

I completely get it. If this punk kid's in the way of my job, I'm going to outwork him and out, out, out fucking grind him to go make my fucking four million bucks from the Browns and go on and try and make 10 or 12 from Houston, that puts my kids through school. No question. That changes my life to where my house is better. My life is better. My way of life is better.

So like, I completely get it from, from Hoyer's view, looking back at it now. At that point in time, we're fucking snarling each other. Yeah. And the quarterbacking every day. And next year, you know, offensive coordinator staff leaves. We get a new staff in, but we got Josh McCown. And that guy, I will look back until I'm 90 years old one day and say, what a fucking dude. Yeah.

A real one. He walks in the first day. Oh, man, Josh McCown, nice to meet you. Anything you fucking need, anything you want to learn about football, tie a fucking string to my backpack. You follow me around. I promise I'll fucking teach you some shit. Yeah. Just like that.

Whoa. Yeah. Down every day, teach protections, do this. I came from a system in college. where we're looking out, and if the linebackers tucked in, we're literally throwing a bubble to the fastest guy on our team, and that's how we ran our offense. There is no fucking can, can, and flipping the play and all this.

Like, that's just how it was. I'd go, Jake, hook, throw the bubble. Jake, we'd figure it out. We just ran backyard style of football. But you see the comparison from that first year to the second. And, you know, I learned a lot. I love my second year there. I learned a lot about ball.

I got to be around some good guys, Just the two contrast, it is all about fit. And I feel like if I had the situation, I had my second year, my first, things would have gone a lot different. You think so? I know so. Oh, you know so. I like that. Yeah.

Yeah. That building, dude, I mean, the only, like, I had to be tough 2014. Joe Thomas, the best thing in there. Yeah. I mean, other than that, like, you guys win one, two games a year. We were seven and four going into our Thursday night game at the break, and then we lost all five coming home. That's tough. Brutal.

Real tough. Isn't it crazy how much? dysfunction that there can be with certain teams like in the NFL. Especially growing up because you're like in the NFL you think that's it. You think everyone's legit. You think everyone's a study.

You think all the coaches got their shit together. Like you get there and you're like, oh, this is. And playing in like, college is a little bit better than this. Playing at Michigan, playing at A&M Nebraska. Like you go, you're like, man, this is what it's like in college,

the operation that obviously you're younger and you have no clue like what they're going through as coaches and shit. Be like, oh, if it's like this like it's only going to be 10x this in the pros. Like strength and conditioning, like all this stuff. and you kind of get training room, all this stuff. And then you kind of get there and you're like,

you see that money goes. I severely downgraded from A&M to Cleveland. Yeah. You see, oh, money goes to the players, not facilities and how the players actually keep up with their bodies and stuff like all that. It's nuts, man. The NFL is a crazy, the game has changed a lot

than when we were growing up kids watching the NFL. I feel like in the last five or six years, not only are guys playing longer, just because of I feel like the training methods, certain things. But there is a Miles Garrett type of motherfucker coming out in the draft every single year. It seems like every year. It's like, oh, this guy's the best grade in the last 40 years. This guy's the best grade and like, these these just keep fucking come out.

They're just more freaks. They're playing 14 years. Chase Young comes out this year. There's going to be another one that comes out this year. Another one at Ohio State. The Ohio State just kicks him out right now. Like legit, bigger, faster, stronger. But it's like, when does it, is it ever going to fucking stop?

Have you seen Miles Garrett? Yeah, cross that poor little white dude on the court. Did you see that? Cross him twice and dug him and stared at him. Could he play in the NBA? I don't fucking know. He got it. He had to buy bodies and dudes.

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We've been talking a little bit. Yeah, you texted me back in February and I'm moving in March 1st. Yeah, you've been, you jump all over the math. I was June 1. I'm like, uh, Pretty, I'm about as close

to a nomad as you can be right now. Yeah. You know, one, I started, I started doing it when COVID happened in LA. I was like, I get the fuck out of here. You know, it was very, very strict there. It was just like, kind of had wanted to leave for a while. Not your typical L.A. type of guy, really, in general.

Yeah. Everyone's wanted to leave too. I was there a long time. Yeah, yeah. And it's just like, it's just a certain vibe there that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Doesn't get the rock song. It doesn't get me gone.

Yeah. Yeah. So it felt like an opportunity to just, and I kind of, you know, I've been a touring man for a long time. We tour a lot like in the last probably six, seven years. So I love being around different places. And I make music and podcasts and I do it all in my house, really. So it's fairly easy nowadays. I had your buddies over.

They came and helped us produce one of our episodes last week and showed them our setup. Like my music set up to my fucking bedroom. Just running gun. It's super simple. Like, it really is. And you make studio quality, album quality stuff. So I just kind of noticed as I was traveling started doing this, like, I get new energy everywhere I go. You know, I get a new feeling, you know, new things, new people.

I'm seeing that I definitely am able to channel creatively. And I feel that, you know, especially after being there seven years and making it more or less, you know, making music in the same three. rooms. Like for these two studios, I'd work in my house. So, you know, it was just, it was something I want to lean into for as long as I can. And Nashville definitely is on top of the totem pole as far as, like, where I would settle again. But I'm not in a huge rush to settle. Why would you?

It seems like, I'm like watching, following you guys. It seems like you guys got a great gig going. You guys, you don't have kids. You can go figure your stuff out. Where have you been? You've been to Montana? Scott's sailing here. That seemed like the doper spot is Montana.

Montana. You're seeing all the animals every day. That shit. For real. Had 100 acres out there. The cold therapy. I didn't see anyone. I literally didn't see anyone the entire time.

It was awesome. It was what I wanted, you know? The lack of energy tough, though? I feel like I've missed that a little bit. Like the Russell and Bustle. I'm going places more or less for like two to three months. Yeah. So there we actually extended.

I actually only got that for like, I want to say I started with six weeks and I extended it to like nine weeks there because we loved it. But at the end, we're like. time to go it's gonna see some let's go see some bitches yeah it was just like

it was really nice it was really really nice and and and I'm a big I'm a big nature guy I've gotten a lot further down into spirituality and just I like I like peace and quiet

I really do so I know it doesn't look like it all the time but yeah just like the ying and the yang of it both like I like you know we went to Scottsdale

which was fucking rah rah we were going nuts you know it's a super fun place Montana you know and then And that's kind of what we're doing in flip-flopping. I'm also having toured in a few years.

So obviously as soon as this is all kind of calming down with COVID, you're seeing the events open up and big crowds gathering. So I don't know if I'll settle until after this next time of year. You like tour a lot this year. What's the rhythm with Ball Don't Lie? I mean, it's every other week. Yeah, we're doing biweekly, but it's pretty much, you know, do as many as we can whenever we're around.

You know, we haven't really talked about doing any guests or anything. because I would say we're maybe moving a little bit different than most people that are doing the podcast stuff, at least for me, like talking a lot more about life and just like our experiences, we're going through it, what's helped us try and be better people and what makes, you know, maybe our life a little easier or just trying to improve and what we're learning as we go on. We probably talk a little bit more deeper and, you know, the most about a podcast. But for me, I'm not trying to, you know, I never started ball and why to try and have a, number one podcast in the world.

I never wanted this to be my next thing that I'm doing to be a full-time job or anything. Something I want to have fun and share a little bit of my message and something that we're going for, you know, we've got to travel around and do some of this in Scottsdale here. I'm going for self-sustainable broship

where you just go around my dogs and let's be it around, dude. Self-sustainable. That's an underrated thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's about it.

Seriously, I know a lot. Like, I know tons of athletes. I just wanted people to, like, hanging out, he's just been my favorite guy to have. He's just a fucking good old boy. I like good old boys. Like, you know, being talented or being successful, trust me, I like, I like to compete.

You know, like what you were saying about competition, that's actually been something that I adamantly, like I adamantly work on getting rid of that chip. Like, I'm looking at life. And that's, bottom of life, like, kind of a lot of my podcast, like you DM and we talk about it. Like, a lot of it's on, like, self-growth, just perspective change.

I was very, very much in an athlete bubble my whole life growing up and just what that does to you, what it takes to be great, you know, like to be a great athlete, it takes that.

It takes that ego of like, man, fuck you, it's a competition. Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm better. Like,

I'm going to work harder. Why not? Yeah. You know, like, and it's been interesting. It's been really interesting for me personally, but I know he's like,

he's been on this wave and I kind of wanted to just see people have, have people hear him talk about how we talk when we're on a balcony in my house or traveling around we have these talks and I was just like, let's just do a podcast. Fuck it. I want people to know. I want people.

Well, he came on mine and it did really well. And people like, dude, thanks for showing Johnny like that. I didn't even know Johnny was like, I thought he was a fucking douche, you know, like, which he's just, yeah, because usually people control the narrative when you don't have your own. And like, I would never, he's just not, you know. So I was like, yeah, why don't we do it?

And just, we'll just talk out. we talk, you know, and that's really what it leans. It leads a lot more, it leans a lot more like kind of guys, guys, like, honestly, it's like trying to, trying to go more down to spiritual, like, path of enjoying life and, you know, like the regrets. This is a guy who, you know, I know what I do to myself if I fuck up. And I have one millionth of people paying attention and watching what he had, you know, so I'm actually inspired by people like that who can, like, pick themselves up when it's tough man like when you when you fall from graces it's really it's really a challenge to pick yourself up and be able to enjoy life you know what i mean oh yeah really is and a lot of people

are faking it you know i mean and i started to see a shift in him personally where i was like you're you're happy you know what i mean like you're doing like every day to day he was you know my house in scottesile day to day more happier than i was and you know and i'm and i had no fuck i didn't have these like you know i didn't have i never really dealt with depression or some of the things he dealt with, or at the scale he was dealing it. And I was neighbors with him then, and I saw how he was then. So I started to see the energy shift where it was just like, man, he's at peace with it. And it's been inspiring for me to be around because I know I didn't have those.

There were a very drastic, you know, drastic fall from graces where everyone personally, like everyone in here, you know, sometimes it's hard to get out of bed and no one's watching. no one's watching no one gives a shit and it's hard in the real shit and like no one's watching so to have a lot of people watch and kind of have that and break that down

break those walls down where he can be happy genuinely like have a comforting energy to be around be a nice person it's inspiring to me I like that and it's relatable because everyone since our listens like oh damn like everyone goes through it for sure everyone's got throwing shit I mean much as we get

hyped up and whether it's music or sports, or whatever it is, you're put on a pedestal when it's really not. I mean, everybody has the same problems at home, this,

that anybody across the world has. But the media and sports, traditional media, at least, and what we deal with in the locker room or anything like that, doesn't pay a lot of attention to it,

a lot of time in it. I think the mainstream media almost dehumanizes people more and puts you on just strictly athlete in what it is. Yeah. The cool thing about the way media shifting is now

is this is, This is media. This is your own platform. This is your own platform to talk the way you want to talk, get your message out. Because I guarantee you after a game or this or that, you get back in the car and drive home, at least for me back in the day, I'd always think about different things I would want to say or this or that or getting done with a sporting event where you lose your immediate reaction going into the fucking podium in the locker room with your fucking suit on, sweating like

a fucking pig. And he's like, yeah, bro, I threw three fucking picks. We lost 30 to nothing. Like, yeah, my dick, bro. How do you think my fucking day way? So, like, the whole thing is kind of like shifting and just changing to where you can tell your story the way you want to. And I think hearing you say earlier about, like, getting on Twitter and seeing certain things,

I've used the app button on Twitter to see what people say to me, right? I've used it. Just people in my mentions, whether it's random fans or all this, right? I have used that to over the last year, find what still makes me pissed off. So, for example, find something that I used to be a reactor on Twitter. You say something to me, I'm waiting for the opportunity. You got ammo on everybody. Oh, I'm ready to go.

Yeah. My favorite thing. Now I use it as, oh, that hit me and made me feel some type of way. Why does that make me feel that some type of way anymore? Why do I feel like that in my head or in my heart that makes me, want to get mad at this person, want to say something back or react negatively or something that I'm going to regret. And I think I've used a lot of that and the negativity and the hate that I've had towards me

to work on things that I didn't necessarily like about myself or I needed to fix or didn't even know bother me. For the process that people are listening to this going fuck, I deal with that all the time. So when you see something that makes you upset, what's the process you go through to get rid of those, that feeling inside? I've, I used to be a fast, the same fast Twitch way. was on the football field I was in every aspect of my head throughout my life. I see something. I react right away. Yeah. My biggest thing is just to take back and look at it and just kind of

whether I type it out immediately and something that I'm not going to send, I review it. I look back at it. I make sure that that's how I want to interact with people. And I, I'm the biggest believer these days and positivity and good fucking vibes. I have no reason to be mad at anybody anymore. I've let a lot of the hate out of my heart go from the past of whoever I felt it wronged me or this or that or the guy on ESPN who's telling me I'm a fucking bum.

But you hit Johnny, the biggest thing is you've hit it yourself for a lot of decisions you made. For a long time. I mean, nobody you don't, at least for me, I beat myself up more than anybody in the media or anybody outside the world ever could have. Every day. Everyone does it. To the point of where

I was questioning my life, if it was worth it, it was this and it got to a point of where I never thought I'd have a good sunny day again. I didn't know if I'd have a day where I was ever happy again. So I look at it now and looking on my phone and we're talking about that is I have so much sense of gratitude for even being where I'm at and being able to even continue on through life that I'm able to slow down and kind of sit back and just relax and look at things in the bigger picture.

You know, I try not. I try my best. I still fail daily and weekly to handle every situation correctly because I got my, I got my things. I got my morals. I got my value. You're not a monk. You cross them. My dad said slap that motherfucker in the mouth when I was a kid. And that's just the way

I was raised. If you crosses your line, does this X, Y, and Z? Yeah. That's just how I was. And now I'm getting better at it. It's a work in progress, but I'm more socially aware and I treat people the way that I won't want to be treated for the most part.

And if I don't, if I can try to apologize and make sure it doesn't happen again moving forward. It could all be so simple if you allow your mind to believe it. That's very cool. Football is like a football. Ellswell said, by the way. Yeah. You like that.

But dude, football is, I mean, to be great at what you all do, it just takes so much aggression and, you know what I mean? You really wired. You guys are wired different, bro. Yeah. I'm the fucking trenches. I try to. I've seen you free game, too.

We played you guys. Yeah, your first win ever was against the Titans. Congratulations. It was. Thank you very much. Yeah, it was awesome. I need that in the worst way. I appreciate this.

That was outstanding. It was a tough flight home. I'll tell you that. It was a tough flight home for the boys. I figured everybody would want to get the hell out of cleaning. At that point, I was like, give me the fuck out of here, dude.

That was tough. But you're a savage. You know what I mean? Like, you're a big... I appreciate that. And, but you're wired in a certain way where... That's why you are. That's why you're so fucking great.

You're obviously God's gifted and talent and size that's rare. Yeah. 4,300 gods, dude. Hopefully one of them got my back, dude. That's pretty solid. But I just don't, that shit's tough, dude. Like, having the mindset you talk about all the time of being, like, competitive. And, yeah, like, we're bred the same way.

If you play football at a young age, it's kind of like, you fucking scratch and claw and you keep going until that guy quits before you. And if you quit, you're a bitch, you got to do something different. And it's like the whole ego thing is so difficult for me to wrap my mind around. And I tussle with it all the time because it's like, I read books like ego is the enemy by Ryan Hall. It's a great book. If anybody wants to read that. That's a solid book to, like, kind of.

kind of catch yourself up on like what's really should be ego because ego is not a bad thing if you use it in the right way. I thought why you're reading that. Agreed. Yeah. No, it's, well, self-improvement is the most important thing. And I wish I knew that when I was 21, 22. You know what I'm saying?

Things that bug me wouldn't bug me is like they don't bug me as much anymore. I still get upset about stuff when people say things. But like, at the other day, no one knows. And it's so weird how like the Twitter thing is because if someone tweets, I mean, goes, you're a dog shit husband. You're a dog shit dad. It's like, to me, I'm like, say whatever you want. Because they don't know me.

But the minute someone would say, you're a bad football player, I'm like, fuck. Because they get to watch me every Sunday. I'm like, how do they know that I don't? You know? And so I've like tussled with this ego thing for so long. And yeah, like pregame, like during the game, like that's who I am. A primitive fighter flight, like I'm a fighter. Right.

Like that allows me to display that. But, you know, when do you stop looking at things is ego, I got to be better than everybody, then start looking at things objectively. Like how do I accomplish this goal without having to frustrate or upset everybody else around me to get the thing done? And that's what I've, like this last six months, we talk about it a few times.

But this ACL, dude, it's fucking brutal. I don't even want to go outside. I don't want to go outside. I don't want to do stuff. I wake up in the morning. I'm like, I got to go tussle with this again. The first time I really went and did anything social in the last six months was at that Preds game.

Wow. And even when I'm at the Preds game, chugging the beer. Good showing, though. Thank you very much. Great showing. I'm a cock to warm with my heart. Yeah.

When I saw it, I was like, okay, we needed this. I felt bad. I did feel like I was kind of coming back to life. He's so bad. I did. But even when I was drinking the beer, my only thought was, don't drink this beer,

because if you do that's inflammation, then your knees, this, and that. So I just poured that thing all over me. Didn't consume one of it. Wow. One ounce. That's crazy.

That was your thought in the moment. It's just, it's wild how it consumes you. And watching your process of what you go through, just because our successes different in the NFL doesn't mean I don't battle the same thing as you deal. Every single NFL player deals with that, whether they want to admit it or not.

So when I'm going through it and I see that, I know that it's possible for me to now change my mindset when I get out of there. Because the way I live, it's so obsessive and it's so like focused on football. Everything is like, how could I maximize this? And then when I'm done, like I had to make a big 180. Otherwise, it's not sustainable. It's great. It's great that you're thinking like that, though.

Yeah. That's the first step is getting, is getting your mind to allow it to think that way. Yeah. And maybe a lot of it's just the youth and like maybe the football growing up, but maybe it's just just being young and getting to a point of where maybe you're, everybody reaches the point of maybe where they're able to start having their mind go to that point where they can begin to understand it a little bit. Because people ask you all the time,

I'm like, I don't know if there's one single thing that happened that made me look at it any differently. It's just life kind of started working in a way where my mind started. I started thinking of this and I just grabbed onto it and fucking held on for dear life. And now I've got people around me and I surround myself for the first time with people who are like-minded and get it. And we're all going in a collective type of way with a goal of trying to be better to do us. It's really, I think there's a shift happening now. And I mean, dude, I didn't grow up like, I didn't think about any of this shit. I just try to fuck as many girls as I could.

Yeah. And be the best in our sport. It hasn't changed much there. and that's funny. Oh, I know, it takes out past and go to the bar and bring some fireball. Yeah. I understand. Rumplements.

Just the idea of, like, I just know, like, it actually gets, it actually gets me out of bed. It gets, that gets my rocks off to, like, think that I'm seeing things on a bigger scale. And it's not. I realize, like, bro, I think most of us walking the streets, like, athlete or not. You're so immersed in your own bubble. Like, I think you can zoom out a little bit. You know what I mean? and that's what it feels like, zooming out, just like, okay, like, this isn't who I am.

Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not my last mistake. I'm not my last thought, you know what I mean? Like, there's a bigger, that's, that's what it feels like to me. And that's where I feel like Johnny's gone down that path. And I think most people like my stuff and listen to some of my stuff that I'm talking about, I'm not going from a preaching perspective. I'm just saying, dude, I was the opposite. I was such a, you know, I wasn't outwardly egotistical, like,

Oh, I'm the man. You know, but like in my head it was all about me. Every relationship, how I reacted to my girl. You know what I mean? Even the way I was thinking about things, I just know, I just realized at one point, I was like, dude, everything, I really think everything revolves around me all the time. Right. And it's just not. It's not the case, you know.

If I would have wrote down my, like, character traits of how I treated people and what I was doing at my time in the league, 2014, 2015, it would have been just a horrendous list of, not even doing it by accident, but like Mike's saying, just thinking things revolve around me and things are supposed to go this way, the way I was living my life was just so shallow and closed-minded and narrow-minded to the point now of like, like I said earlier, it can all, it can be simple. It doesn't have to be this cluttered, crazy rat race to get to the end goal of what? Just, man, live your life. And we talk about this all the time is I'm chasing happiness. And that's one thing that I'm chasing in my life. I got more than I need. still hungry to go and try and get more, but at the same time, I'm chasing,

putting more smiles on my face every year than I did last year. Yeah. It's a simple goal. How do you think you chase happiness, though? Man, I'm starting to be honest with myself probably in what I like to do, you know, for a long time in my life, like I said earlier, I didn't like doing much of anything. Going and picking a football up, didn't make me happy,

going and riding a dirt bike or doing this or going to the lake or doing any of that. Golf didn't, all, none of this stuff really, really made me happy anymore. So now me and him play fucking beer pong all the time. I haven't won a game since I've been in Nashville. He's 1 in 9 since he's got here. He's like that. But it gives me my competitive edge is something I love to do. I love little bar games.

I play darts. I'm up $250 a day. I'm making money and playing bar games. And it's just like I'm starting to see different things in my life that are really coming back. I'm almost reverting back to my childhood, I guess I would say. I'm finding more things that I do. didn't know that I liked that I did growing up. I'm slowly starting to like get back to it.

Like second week in the Nashville, we're in the country, try going, playing golf, doing things as being away from people. I'm like, fuck, man, I love this again.

I want to start doing this. And, you know, luckily at where I'm out of my life, you know, I'm not married. No girl, solo fucking Ranger out here

trying to take on the world. So, you know, I have the luxury to be able kind of just do what I want to do and find what makes me happy. If you had asked me this a year ago, I had told you I don't fucking know.

Yeah. It seems like it's like enjoying like just the small things that like bring you joy. Because when you when you say that, I'm like, and I get this from like the book we're on self-awareness. Because a lot of this shit we're talking about is like self-awareness. Percept. And it's like the way they talk about it in the book is like happiness is uncaused. Like how can you acquire something that you innately already have? And ultimately at the end of the day, it's more so realizing that you've got to drop a bunch of illusions that we labor ourselves with.

like football player all this stuff that we think revolve so much around us it's more like dropping those illusions but it ultimately seems like we're like saying the same stuff because i'm like i've heard you say that too and i'm like how do you chase happiness so but you but you explain to you explain it to i was like okay it seems like you spend more time with yourself by yourself throughout a day than you do anybody else your wife whoever it may be you spend probably more time in your own head with yourself 24 hours a day seven days a fucking week if you can't fucking can be honest with yourself, how are you going to be honest with other people around it? And I think that's where self-awareness with me has come from is, man, I felt like I used to be a guy that would lie and I lied to myself about, you know, what I saw through my eyes or what was going on or whatever. But when I started to truly be honest with myself, which where the acceptance of not really loving football and this came and not wanting to do that, it all came from just being like, you feel this way, be honest with yourself about it, embrace it, and let it be what it is. And from that, I felt like I continued to achieve more self-awareness through that.

It starts with self-honesty. Yeah. I love that. Oh. Not the conversation you thought Johnny Manzo was going to come on and have, but here we are. Is it my up? Hey, wait, you guys are up. You guys are the guests now do the third one.

Yeah? Yes. Good luck. Knock out, Steve. Where am I starting at the top? Yeah. Yeah. All right.

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Do you think so? I'm all fucking in. He's like, okay. My ships. just, I'm in, dude. Those are me pushing the chips and I almost broke our shots. Which you can get at the merch store at barstool or whatever.com. If Julio goes to the Titans, like.

Cancel Christmas, dude. On paper, man. How is that not one of the better offenses? Hey, I'm going to watch this. I'm just, I'm not on, hey,

I'm not on the Titans. That's all about that verbal assault. That's all right. I'm not on the Titans. I am a, I'm a big fan of Tanna Hill. You like Tana Hill. He's an Aggie.

We love him. You give him Julio with the weapons. You guys already. have i think you uh how can you not have high hobs i mean you got derrick henry at two thousand yard rusher uh an o line like they have a j brown julio jones on the other side tanna hill delivering the rock anthony furkser oh yeah don't sleep on fur guy the turkirkser guy big furkser yeah probably runs a five flat 40 but he has like a one four 10 split dude yeah yeah kids wild true what's your take on this i don't think it's it's cam newton is the best house player to ever lace them up that was

tweet that hashtag unpopular opinions. I think, I mean, you're arguably that. Tim Tebow's arguably that. I said it took a... Oh, Tebow, too. I was going to say I was... I said it took a national championship to be considered the goat of college football.

I would think that I would have to be fair. That's a fair statement. Reggie Bush definitely gets a bad shake because he took a little money in college and they took his eyes away. Oh, Jesus. They should give Reggie his eyes back. He did what every college football player wants. They all want to get like, oh, hey, are we, you know, am I going to be recruited high enough to give me a little vehicle or a little job?

I mean, this is the whole thing that hopefully in the next couple years changes in college football is, man, these guys come from nowhere to get a chance to go play football and guys are coming up to you, you know, offering you money or this and that. This is more money than you've ever seen in your life. Your family has in their bank account. Tell them you're going to punish this kid because of that because, you know, maybe his family got a Malibu Beach house while he was playing it. USC or whatever. Hey, that didn't make it hard. Some players are better than others. If you fucking ran the rock like Reggie Bush,

she'd have fucking two Malibu Beach. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I was praying to the gods I would get some money in college. I would, dude, I go check that mailbox. God damn, another bill. I was hoping for, I wanted something. Not even at Michigan?

Bro, I caught myself a couple of like free meals every once in a while. I go pay a tab and they'd be like, now don't worry about it. The O-line and any college locker room or an NFL locker room. It's funny for the most of the old alignment that I feel like I've been around. They're always

about the free meal, the free get that free shoot. That's all I got. I love it. If I ever got something, it was like a free meal like some waffle fries and a chicken sandwich. I'd be like, hell yeah, let me get that tab I guess. No, like, no, don't worry about it. And I'm like walking the class. Like, I'm a fucking gangster, dude. I'm out here breaking

NCA violations. No problem for some waffle fries. But you hear about like Matthew Stafford getting $500,000 in his mailbox. Everybody wanted to walk in and have that nice little envelope sitting. I don't know. Everybody wanted to ask you this. I might have talked about this a couple of times before it.

Yeah, dude, I got lucky. I went to, we went to, we would go to like the Wild World of Sports for the college football awards at the end of the year. And then like if you want an award there, we went to Miami. And it was for the national championship game. And I'll never forget getting off the plane and walk into baggage claim. And this guy comes up behind me. I didn't have my fucking Bose noise canceling. This guy's got a future in this.

This guy comes out behind me. He's like, go, how would you want to make three grand? I'll turn around. I'm like, fuck, yeah, bro. I got like $65 in my bank account. I'm waiting on that, you know, beginning of the month, January stipend check. Yeah, that's golly. $460 or whatever it was.

I'm like, hell yeah, I want to make, I want to make three grand. So I take this guy's number down. had one of my boys at the time who was I guess I created a little bit of an entourage at this point My boys is like coming around Everybody wants that That's when the show was hot Oh I was watching it every day at this point

I had to have the boys around You were Vinny Chase And I had this I had one of my boys take this guy's number We're doing it all sneaky We don't want to get caught We're trying to learn from everybody else It's got caught And you know

May or may not have gone back to this guy's condo And signed probably 10,000 pieces Oh really? That's everything. Oh, so he got it out of you. He gave me three grand. The fucking horse of it. 10,000 items.

Fucking three grand. He got it. At this point, I'm on Instagram trying to find out how to get a table at Live. Yeah. Do you guys have $500 minimums at stage tables where live on Sunday? It's like what I'm going for. God, that's funny. I'm signing these autographs and this other guy who's like bringing the, bringing the pictures over.

He's like, yo, you're getting fucking ripped off. Here's this guy's number. Hit him up. give you 30 grand. And I'm like, fuck yeah, man. I'm going to make three and then 30. I'm going to get out of here with 33 grand.

And for those of you with their calculator, that's $33,000. So this guy pretty much is like, all right, go to this room with the fountain blue. All the stuff will be in there laid out. And when you're done, just send me a picture of all of that.

I'll give you the code of the safety. The money will be in there. Yeah, that's some fucking. Probably, probably for the next. That's a Johnny football story. Probably for the next four months, I went to that fucking con.

once a month in fucking South Beach. Knock that shit out. I am a professional boxer and unboxer. Every mini helmet, flat picture you could see. And it's funny when I sign autographs these days with my guy out of New Jersey, he's like, you fucking pack it yourself. I'll give you some extra bucks. No shit.

But, yeah, I got to go down. I got to make a somewhat of a decent living in college. And we went nine and four the next year. We went nine and four times a year. We went nine and four. The next year. So if the NCAA wants to take my fucking. nine and four season away and my chick filet bowl against duke fucking blow me

what if the one of the nsaid said hey we're taking your we're taking your shit away you're a heisman i never took a dollar um until after i won the he's got a future he's got a bright future that's a fact and i think my statute of limitations are up so you can blow me again how's how's the wheel how is good dude it's fucking hurting right now this is your first major major Major surgery? First only surgery. I got my tonsils out, though, when I was 21, so I was kind of a lie. That shit was brutal, dude, I lost like 25 pounds.

Really? I got out with no broken bones, no surgery. No, never. That was a big part of it for me, too. I was starting to get a lot of concussions at the end, though. Were you really? Which was bad. I got my ass knocked out in Canada.

Going for the goal line, wake up, like four linemen and picking me up a couple minutes later. I'm like trying to run off the field like I was trying to run down Broadway last night. Sideway. Dizzy bat, dude. He looked quick. Look quick. Looks good.

Look good for my angle. Yeah, this is my first surgery. It's been way harder than I thought it was going to be. When I first got it, I was like, man, four months. I'm going to get cleared. I'm going to fuck this thing up. Yeah. It's not been that road at all.

It's been way harder. It's like, yeah, hey, sit back down. I guess she's got it. I'm fucking up, dude. It's the best one, though. I do love a Georgia boo. Smooth. Yeah.

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for keeping the highlighting there. the my only critique would be as he gets into making the examples we just go ahead and lower it because he was uh he was hitting those middle ones like that we might not get to this one for dashable that was that was trash that is that's worse than it reduced the fonts i did not my producer put me in a bad position there he knows the boy can't read that this is the best rooting i've done in a while too if you guys go back i nailed it thank you very much there's a lot we had a couple more things are these the questions that were put out on twitter uh no we didn't get that i did We kind of touched on most of this stuff they're asking.

Twitch kind of ruthless like that. Which quarterback will make the biggest impact this year? Which quarterback will make the biggest impact this year, Johnny? That's a great question. I don't know. Who's going to start? I guess Trevor Lawrence is going to start for sure. I would not, you know, put my money on the fucking Jets.

So any of the other. I would say Trevor Lawrence. I like Trevor Lawrence the most out of this class. I think the guys is stud. Jacksonville's got to be good eventually, huh? Yeah. Do you still keep up with a lot of it? You still keep up with watching the quarterbacks and all that kind of stuff?

I'm definitely more of a college football fan. I'm definitely more of a fan these days. I don't necessarily have a team other than watch A&M and support my guys there. But, you know, I'm a fan of, you know, the real of the guys who are like us, who come on the bus and hang out and do that. But, you know, I did get a chance to watch a lot of these guys play. I think, you know, probably the best situation would probably have to be Mac Jones. I mean, if one program is like the other, isn't New England more like Alabama than anywhere else?

But Mac Jones, he had to keep Cam Newton. Yeah. But he might be in a good situation because you don't know how the future contracts are going to work out. I think Justin Fields will probably get thrown into the fire a little bit in Chicago. And then you got Trey Lance in San Francisco. He's probably going to get the wait half a season and probably be thrown in there as well. So the guy who's going to start from opening days probably has to be Trevor Lawrence. Maybe Zach Wilson.

I don't know who else they have in getting rid of Darnold. I think he has to start, huh? Yeah. Second pick, you know, in New York. You want him to be your savior and lead you back to the playoffs? I mean, I think you'd have to get him in there early. Do you think Tim Tebow is going to make the team in Jacksonville? I would be surprised if he went from playing quarterback to making a team as a tied-in.

But I will say this. I would be very, very stupid to ever doubt and say that Tim Tebow can't do something. I'm a huge Tebow guy. I go to the Heisman every year because I don't fucking play football anymore and every other guy does. So it's Tebow and me. And we're next to each other every year that I've been. And he's a legend. Stand up guys, definitely a lot different than me.

It's funny as hell when you turn on the ESPN the Heisman. It's him sitting there like this and it's me, a couple of Bud Lights in. Just so. A chuck button next to you. But, you know, I would think, you know, Urban being his guy, he didn't sign him and put him in the position to not make the team. So I would love to see a jump pass. That would be badass if he did that. I would love to see him come back.

I mean, the last memory of Tebow in the NFL for me is, I feel like, the game winner to Demarius Thomas on the slam against the Steelers and the playoffs. You know, that's a, that's a playoff win that, you know, a lot of other quarterback's, you know, a lot of other quarterback. who are making a lot of money. You know, can't say that they have under their belt. No, Plathwin. It's hard to bet against Tebow.

You're right. He does have a work out like crazy. That's what I'm saying. He's got like, the dude's about it. He's huge. He's jacked. He's strong.

He's athletic enough. Like the guy obviously wants, if he's doing this, he wants to go in there and grind it out and try and get better. The hardest thing I think is, that's a lot of years off. I'm really getting,

no doubt, no doubt. Hat placement and getting your right hand around to block on an outside side zone type of thing. I don't think that's what he's in there for. But you also can't have a one-dimensional tight-in in the NFL where he just runs routes

and does thing like that. And I'm... I think he's quick enough to. I don't know. I don't know. The tight-in game in the NFL has changed as drastically as any position in the league, I feel like just there's some real motherfuckers

running routes of tight-in right now. Like the guy in Oakland, Waller, that guy is unbelievable. They're just getting bigger, faster, and quicker and their catch radiuses are huge. I never really saw Tebow as being that huge guy who will go out and make some plays. But I think, you know, I hope he makes it.

That would be just too. He's going in there to fucking block too, like taking shots to the mouth against these freak D-Ns like Miles Garrett and shit every week. I don't want a wide fucking nine technique and I'm fucking playing tight end for my first game. Like, who the fuck wants to go block that? And you're a quarterback in your past life.

I hate having to block a wide nine with a tight end. That's brutal. So I'm like, you know, that's tough. You know, Bronvin those D-Ns are hard, dude. You put a guy that's, like, relatively the same weight. Those tight-ins have a hard job. Give me, like, get him off the ball a little bit. Give me a little chip.

Let me help my tackle out, bust out in the flat, and catch the ball. Let Tebow do his thing. I think that's a no-brainer. No-brainer. But as far as, like, stretching the field vertical and doing some things that you have to do in the NFL, tight-in position gets asked to do a fucking a lot.

And Irvin-Myers offense does not a whole lot of, not run a lot of tight-ins out there. Not a 12, not a lot of 13. I mean, if he's going to run the same thing he did at Ohio, or anywhere else he's been. Right, all day long. And so now, then Tebow has to be a receiving tight end. You know what I'm saying?

I'm kind of shocked by the outrage over the signing. I was going to ask you about that. I've been really shocked about it. I mean, are you surprised, though? No. It's shocking, but it's not surprising. The world is getting really, really, really, really fucking soft. And it's changing a lot in the fact of, like, it's just,

wild times. Tebow went, did his TV, did his thing, he's always been in the good graces. The guy's never said a bad word about anybody that I know of in general life ever. Guys been stand up. Stop playing ball, didn't get another opportunity. Went and did his TV stuff. Did a great job with the college day and day. Did the baseball thing. People were pissing him because he was taking a roster spot there. Hey, news flash. Sometimes people get things that they may not be directly in line for, but it happens. It's big business, shit happens, get over it. It's also networking, too.

It's not about what you know. Yeah, exactly. If anybody else other than Urban Meyer gets that job, Tebow's not there. He's not there. But it works that way. Those guys win one, two national titles. They're still friends of this day. Before Urban got the job, I saw him in Scottsdale playing golf one day.

You know, you can tell just what kind of guy. He's been the same guys from when I, you know, knew Urban from my time in college and got to be around him a little bit. like he's just loyal to his guys. I guarantee you a lot of people on that staff in Jacksonville are going to be former Gators, former Ohio State. And that's the same with any coach in the NFL. Rable were to go to a different spot right now.

It brings his guys with them. Every time. And every coach in the league does. Everybody's got their boys that come on and get another three-year, four-million dollar deal that's guaranteed even if you're cut type of thing. So guys are loyal to their guys. It is what it is. If you're a good bro.

anyway. Yeah. Borships. He was to say in that Bowship, dude. Vrable's secretary. Stretch. He fucking goes around with him everywhere wherever Vrable goes. Yeah, no question. Yeah. Does Vrable just fuck? Is he the guy the man? He fucks. Brable is the. Rable is the...

But Vrable got to be the alpha in the room. Yeah. Brave's got to be, yeah. Have you challenged it? Yeah. And it doesn't go well because it doesn't work out in your way. Like he says like things that aren't funny, but then it's like, well, maybe if you blocked that guy on third down. I'm like, well, dude, hey, listen. I mean, you're talking about a sack right now?

Like, when we had him on, like, I wasn't on the team. I was fucking, he murdered Will. And we're both, we're both sitting here. I didn't want to say it was in July of 19, so I was just chilling. A rage is just bodying me up. And there's like, Will, you got to say something. I'm like, what do I fucking say? Because I know I was like, I didn't play a whole lot for him.

So he can bodybag me even more if I want to come after. It was tough to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're friends you hit by a car over and over. Yeah. you're going to back up and run him over again? He put that thing in reverse. He hit that poor bastard dude.

And anytime Taylor's are around each other, like when we are on the team together, like he's got his jokes in front of everybody. Yeah. He loves bringing, he loves this podcast. He loves bringing it up. He's one of the boys. He loves bringing it up in team meetings.

And then he loves saying, I don't give a shit about your podcast, Taylor, but then why do you keep bringing it up? Yeah. Yeah, we'd be late in the year and he'd be like, let's check on what our social media manager's up to today and pull my shit up. You're sitting there asshole tight like, God, I hope the boys laugh. Can we just talk about the kids? You have the keys to victory.

They had to beat the Ravens. It seems like you guys have a good dynamic in the locker room, though. It seems like the guys are fucking having a blast out there. And that's fun. That's fun to see from afar. That's just me turning around the games on fucking Sundays. And being that, it also helps when Derek Henry runs the ball like a fucking freight train. Yes, bro.

2014, 2015, two of the more miserable years of my life. Three and we're two and 14. But recently, though. And then, but like the locker room we got, like, the dudes we have, you would love it. You go in there and knowing, like, I don't know, I feel like people care, but like not enough to like get on. You can be whoever you want there. Everyone's going to accept you. Our locker room's dope.

The brochips nice. The broships. That was a lot of different characters in the, uh, in the locker room. How's Tanya Hill been fitting in, prepared to like Marriota and the guys. He owned that thing. As soon as he was starting, I remember, uh, I don't remember his first start was. It was after the Broncos game. I don't remember who played after that, but I remember walking in him and Arthur Smith are sitting at a table by themselves.

and I walk by him. And Tana Hill's like, I don't want this play. Take this out. I want this. Change this to a sling. He's like telling Arthur what he's like what he likes and doesn't like. And for me, I'm like, that fires me up. Because I know when you're calling that play, the OC knows that he likes it.

He knows he likes it. He knows where the ball is going relative. And so he's been awesome, dude. The guy is the guy's top notch. I'm a huge fan of his. I think. Had to be happy to see Mariotta ball a little bit last year. Dude.

Yeah. Marcus is like the nicest dude ever. We both committed to Oregon at the exact same time. We were at the same camp together and then kept in touch over the years. And he really is a legend. Top-notch, classy fucking dude. Classy, dude. He's another one of those guys.

Like, doesn't say a bad thing about anybody. Works super hard. Got a bad deal with the Titans. I don't know. I think he's going to be successful. I just, it was just tough here for whatever reason. I don't know if he got in his own head or I think he had a lot of success here that

he's had memorable. games coming back against Kansas City playoff win like he's going to have things that Titans fans remembers him forever but I think to maybe next year, two three years from now he's going to be a starting quarterback he's going to be a stud I agree I mean I bet he's probably

in that time will probably be around the age we are right now maybe 30 years old he's got five six seven eight years a good football left I've always been a big fan of him the guy 60 in the bank the guy can really fucking move he's made good money he's a great fucking dude I've loved the time

I've got to be around him. So you guys had a bunch of different OCs over the first couple years when he was here. Yeah, we had a... Yeah, it's a different one every year. Yeah, that's the hardest thing that a lot of people don't know about the NFL is being a young guy and him coming from Oregon. And this just happens with spread offenses coming from college to what we do in the NFL. You don't do a ton of stuff with protections or, you know, when you get to the league, I need to know exactly why you're squeezing down and this guy comes free or if you're going to kick out to it. And this guy's going to come and hit me in my chops.

There's just the level of football knowledge you have to have is just something you don't necessarily get from a read option spread kind of offense. And if you get a young guy in, you're changing offensive coordinators, you know, every single year learning new verbiage and terminology. It's historically tough on any young guy who comes from that situation. Yeah. I think that's why Tana Hills had so much success here is, did he just seems like he's got he knows everything you guys are running here

tana hill was running the first day when i got to texas an annes really so coach sherman mike sherman was our head coach and we were running red jet two and three jet same play pass the whole the exact same thing he is gangster at that and then when he got drafted he went to miami and his office coordinator was mike sherman really he has been in the exact same system pretty much for almost his entire time and and he was really really good at it when we were at a and and I was sucking my thumb in the back of a fucking meeting room. And I'm sure he's only gotten better now because so he's a smart dude. He gets that thing out too.

As an offensive lineman, you get that ball out, that's love. Yeah, super. Because it's been a couple of times. You're like, hey, I'll appreciate you. You whiff a little bit. Some dudes, Miles Garrett coming around the corner or something like that. He takes a shot, but there's no sack. Statute looks good on my side.

Let's jog down. That's complete. Keep it clean. Keep it clean on that statute. Yeah. I think that's. Well, fuck. I appreciate you guys for having a song.

We didn't want to come in here and just bombard the thing with Chuck Buds and our own podcast type of talking. But I figured I have a couple beers today, come on the bus and hang with the boys and then have a good little chat. This is how it should be. Have you had beers today? What? I've already been to Broadway.

You're sick. I wrote a scooter back to where we went and got those vodka OJs the other day and got that same meal again. It was fucking badass. Really? Pinewood Social? Yeah. That's a good spot.

That's Socialite City right there, dude. I got the steak and eggs. I took a bird scooter from the Virgin Hotel, rode it through downtown. It's fucking cruising all morning. That's awesome, dude. What's your spot in Broadway right now? Like, where's your number one? FGL? I like the stage.

The stage is kind of kicked back and laid back for me. Every time we've gone in there, we've had a blast. Everywhere else has kind of been a little over the top. We've been everywhere. Do you see where he's posting? What's that? Where Mike's spot is. It's like, it's like, it's like the rooftop.

I had to say where it's at. I think I know exactly what I mean. It's, I think me and Derek, you know that like Kroger Health thing? Me and Derek did a photo shoot for it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's in that exact spot.

Taco Bell can'tina where you can get a Baja Blas Margarita. I'm all about that. What are we talking about it? You know, that was real life. The guy's sitting there playing his guitar like, yo, what's up, Taco Bell? Yeah. Go make your way, make your way.

Get a taco and a margarita. I love it. Taco Bell canteen. I highly recommend it. Taco Bell canteen. No free shout-outs. No. The stage rips.

I'll be there. I don't know if the station but they play like Blink 1A2 and like good Charlotte hit them like old alternative punks dude I love that's my favorite music I think we've touched soil

just about every bar on Broadway it's been nice We want a good run We wanted the dark ones I try and keep up dude I'm like fuck Mike's out of games At another different spot I'm a good one

I'm done I'm gonna think I'm retiring off into the abyss for a while Yeah I gotta finish some music here And then Where you going next Austin we got a spot

in Lake Travis It's gonna be nice That's what we just were man Really You were just there this weekend. Yeah, I do that. Did you guys get after it or what? Oh, we got after it.

Yeah. We had a good time. My brother, he's sitting back there. There's about eight of us. But, yeah, it was, uh, my voice was completely gone on Saturday. It was tough. You got a nice smoky tone. Who was in the hot tub with the fucking thunderstorm?

That was, yeah. My boy, Kenny Farke, it's like this, we're in like the eye of the storm, dude. Like, it just starts going off because we went out in downtown Austin for the first half the day. And then we're like, all right, let's go recharge for a few hours. and we'll come back out of night on rainy street, 6th Street. And this storm just starts beating our ass, dude. I'm talking, I mean, you see the trees going sideways.

All the patio furniture is lost like it's gone. The house starts low-key flooding a little bit. Like, the fan is on inside and water slinging around. Like, it was the dock, the deck to the boat, the dock. The big-ass cable snaps and it floats like 20 yards down the water, bro. It was fucking insane. It was a bit of a deal right there. It's a good old Texas.

storm he's just and in the middle of that too it was hailing that's why he's like covering his face right now because it's fucking hailing and he's just taking a hell he's a psychopath huh? He was going through some shit. I love his style. We love a good full sand around here for sure. But uh I love that.

Appreciate it. I'm headed there next. It's be fun. But yeah man, Nashville definitely is it's up there. I like this place a lot. There's something to be said about the vibe like the, you know, I've been lived in New York and other places. You know, a lot of This is obviously a lot smaller than a New York City,

but that feeling right where I'm at right now is like, you know, just walk out. Like I come down the elevator, it's just, you're in the trenches. People are going nuts, you know? You're in the trenches. It's like a celebratory place. You know, people are coming here for bachelor parties, bachelor parties, bachelor parties, birthday parties. There's just feeling.

There's always a concert. There's always a game. There's always something going on. Feeling in the air that's like more positive leaning. I just like that. You know, I'm like a pilot. Yeah, there's nothing to go on the other than going into like a random city or a place. I haven't been a ton of just.

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