Bussin' With The Boys - Charles Woodson On Winning The Heisman Over Peyton Manning + Almost Retiring Early

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Recorded: February 6th 2024: In this weeks episode, Will and Taylor are back from their trip to Miami for UFC 299. The guys recap their time down there hanging with Portnoy as well as talk about the fights and what it was like intervewing Suga Sean O'Malley and Chito Vera. After that the guys get into the latest news in the NFL as we are knee deep in free agency time. As the intro goes on, there is just more and more news being broke and we have the guys live reaction to it all. Following the intro we are joined by NFL Hall of Famer and maybe one of the best defensive players ever in college, Charles Woodson. The guys start off talking about Michigan football winning the national championship. They also get into Charles’ time at Michigan and shares some stories of him getting into it with some coaches. Talking college ball with Charles, the guys had to bring up the fact that he is the only defensive player ever to win the Heisman and what that was like. Following the college talk, the guys get into his illustrious NFL career with the Raiders and Packers. Charles shares some stories from his time at both places including him saying he almost hung up the cleats a lot earlier than he did. This interview is a great trip down memory lane just talking ball with one of the best o ever do it. Big hugs, tiny kisses 3:08 Miami UFC recap 19:47 Will is in a war 24:31 what is midwest 27:50 tough ball club  36:13 NFL headlines 55:22 what qualifies as a bust 1:02:34 Shoutout Sauce 1:12:07 Dad’s Being Dad’s 1:23:03 Super Bowl Or Ring Of Honor? 1:29:26 CHARLES WOODSON INTERVIEW STARTS 1:30:01 Michigan winning the national championship   1:36:27 big noon kick off  1:38:50 he got held out of a game  1:44:38 Heisman race  1:50:32 how many plays in a college game can you go ** 1:51:53 nowadays people can just transfer and did he want other leave Michigan   1:56:01 His outlook for Michigan  1:58:34 top 5 Michigan players  2:01:49 Leaving the Raiders and the bitterness  2:06:31 development in film room  2:10:35 Getting to Green bay 2:13:03 being the old guy in the locker room  2:15:47 His kids trying to live up to him  2:18:17 and Rodgers drama 2:21:35 transitioning out of football  2:24:49 entrepreneur spirit with wine and whiskey  2:34:19 Charles pulling up on Taylor in baby poolFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You see a little pink, a little pink tinge. I got a little color out there. How your shoulders? I was playing it up, right? Oh, you're in a way better spot than me. I am. Gotta get those, I got, get them time intervals right, man. I got out of the sun, you know what I mean?

I spent probably 45 minutes to an hour and I switched in my positions a little bit. It was good. It was smart. I was like, I'm going to go ahead and get out of here. You've always been a tactical individual. What I fell into was the cheers of my, skin tone by you and J.P. Talking about all you guys don't burn like us and I let it get to my head.

I sat there a little too long. You've also said I don't burn. No, no, no, no, no. That's not true. That's actually not a real thing. I said when I was doing for the combine, I went through a whole thing of I don't burn. But I burn like the rest of them. I actually said a few times that you are, have been tainer than me throughout the winter process.

And my skin tone is not as great as people make it out to be, people being you. No, what I said, I didn't say that. I said I would choose your skin tone over my skin tone because you tan way easier and better than I do. Right. And I let it get to my head a little bit. I know, I know that there are past episodes where you talked about tanning and you don't rock sunscreen because you're like, I don't really burn. I don't rock, no, no, no, no. Like a foundational burn or something. I don't rock sunscreen for the first 20 minutes.

I think that's a key thing if you want to get a tan. 20 minutes, pure, no condom in the sun type of vibes. And then once 20 minutes is hit, you lather it on because you want to keep the skin at least not turn into what it's turned into all my. shoulders now. How was your week in Miami? Do you enjoy it? Yeah, I thought the week was great in Miami. We got a shout out number one shout out to UFC for allowing us to come, allowing the boys to come in to the, to the hotel where they were kind of hosting everything. We got to sit down and do those

interviews, which I hope all you guys out there enjoyed with Sean O'Malley and a Cheeto Vera. But I thought the weekend was all time. We got to hit. We got to hit the hotel. What was nice about it is we're out there a few days, but there's like one thing a day. So we also had like some extra time where we got to hit the rooftop. We went and looked like Shubies on the beach for a quick minute. We went to Bacon Bitch,

which was a fun little neat experience. We're all the servers, they just call you bitch the entire time. So you're playing back at, we're like, oh, you don't listen, do you bitch? Yeah. It's like a dick's last resort.

Yeah. You know, you're going to get, actually, I didn't think we were going to get made fun of until she walked up calling us bitches. Yeah. It threw me off for a second. He's like, I'm your main bitch today. Yeah.

Don't talk to my same. side bitches. I'm thinking, what's happening here? She's like, JP ordered his bloody marriage. She's like a vodka or tequila. I think,

did you say, did you go vodka? She was like, you want a single or double. Come on, don't be a bitch. So, he's like,

all right, double. And I was like, yeah, double. I'll take a double too. They do a good job at that, man. And the food was good too. Food was good, but nothing was better

than that bistro cafe. We went to four days in a row. It seemed like that place is unbelievable. Also, big news for me. I had to find out to a Cuban waiter that Carnie Asada is not steak. Yeah, that was, I thought Carniazada was steak as well. Yeah.

Oh, I'm dumb and ignorant. I'm stupid. For those you following bus scenes or whatever, you know, I'm on Duolingo. Okay, so I'm learning Spanish right now. And I sat there and I looked this man in the eyes and said, hey, last time I got this little almond I came up pork, can I get the Carni Asada? Can I get steak? And he could just see his eyes, man, like, I'm going to have to tell this white boy.

that this is carneasota is steak and he did it he did it well too he did it gracefully and thankfully it was only JP there to see my downfall because it was a tough deal for me yeah tough but delicious food bacon was incredible it was a little sweet sauce on there too

yeah one thing that obviously the interviews is you guys can go back and watch it's obviously leading into UFC 299 but it's a good watch anyway to say the mindsets of these guys going into the fight I like you after those fights felt like Cheeto was mentally in a better space than Sean.

Like Sean, to me and JP brought up a good point. It was like, Sean was cutting much more weight than Cheeto. Cheetos seemed more present, more like in the moment, just seemed like he was on a desk, like a, he was on his desk and he'd go and get the title. And Sean kind of came in, like, mentioned the food, mentioned that he was cutting weight. You could tell he was like worn out from doing ESPN and first take

and all these different media days. So when I walked away from those things, I was like, I think Cheetos got this. I think Cheetah's going to show that this wasn't a fluke and kind of rode with that. The man Sean O'Malley put on an absolute clinic on Saturday night. Like literally at no point was he truly in a blender.

Like there was one or two times that Cheetah kind of got him in the corner. But even then, like nothing really hit flush. It was all kind of him ducking and moving around all of Cheetah's hits. And Sean was truly incredible. He's a fight you walk away from going, hey, is there really anybody that can actually take that man down? Is the sugar era really, it might be an actual decade? Yeah, tactically, he just moved so well.

Like, anytime that Cheeto was trying to, like, close space, he could never, like, maintain that closure. Like, Sean always did a great job, like, getting out of everything, and just kept him at bay with all those low kicks, utilizing the jab. I mean, when Cheeto did not go down from that knee in the second round, you hear it even on the TV cut, and it is way louder. Like, it's fucking nuts that Cheetos never been knocked down like that.

You should have been dead. Yeah, yeah. I'd still be laying on that canvas right now. In the second round, it got squirley, for a second because the first and the second round Cheeto went down but went down because he like slipped or his footing was off. At the end of the second round,

Cheetos started to go down and then Sean like took advantage and got him on the ground and then as the bell was ringing, he pointed out and was like, I got you down. You can see him out like, I got you down. Which, you know, he won the fight. So it's like, I don't know if I really counts as a knockdown or what you know more about how the wrestling rules are. Yeah, I think it's just like,

you know, it's just sugar was in a, or sugar show on O'Mell was in a different, he's just in a different league as far as skill goes. Like, again, and not taking anything away from Cheeto, but it is just, like, because Cheeto fought like a good fight. He's doing a lot of stuff kind of like down the middle, not really pressing him a whole because Sean does a great job fighting backwards. So he was, like, trying to stay patient, pick his shots.

But again, like, Sean's length and everything else, he just had a tough time when he would push the pace, trying to get him back against the octagon. Like, Sean always did such a good job of moving laterally. to never be in those situations. He really, it really was objectively looking at the fight. Sean was a few steps ahead of Chito at all times. The time that Chito could have had him, it's like if that shot to the gut would have came just a little bit sooner

because he had him for a minute, kind of like trying to figure stuff out. A little disoriented. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could tell it knocked the ear out of him a little bit. Yeah. But, dude, Sean, it was impressive to watch. The precision, the accuracy, the way that when Chito would come in with a flurry of shots, It just seemed like everything was just kind of scraping the eyebrow.

Right. Scraping the cheek. Like nothing ever hit flush. And it was just insane to watch, especially that close and in that kind of arena. And just before that, seeing the co-main event. The fight of the night. Yeah, the fight of the night. Dustin Poirier versus St.

Diaz, Saint-Ben-W Saint-Pierre. Now, the little background on this. St. Pierre or St. Denis. St. Denis. St. Denis. St. Denis. Ben-S-D-D-D-D-D-V. So that was awesome.

Yeah, so those of you don't really know the background, these guys, we were kind of following the bouncing balls. We were going throughout the week. This St. the Nese guy has never fought past two rounds. He's always put dudes down in two rounds. And the word on the street was that Poyer would not take this fight unless it was a five-round fight. Yeah.

These guys get in there. Porie comes in, which is the funniest part is this kid named Zade, who's been throwing bets out to me for a while. You've heard him on slips and picks. He's like 18 and 2 with me. and he sends me this list of things. He got us all murdered. He gets his picks from Jersey Jerry. Come to find out, Jersey Jerry got his picks from Zade.

I got my picks from Zade. So essentially me and Jerry are the messengers for Zade to whoever wants him. Didn't quit Nelson get in? Quentin Nelson got in. He literally texted me, fuck Jade after that Alameda guy. Alameda. Alameda, he ended up losing, right? Because he was winning the whole time.

And that dude ended up thinking him real quick. Caught him. So as we're getting into the St. Denise Porier fight, Dave texts Jerry and says, hey, give me page, the kid that was coming in from Bellator for the first time to fight, which put on, I thought he had a very cool star power, bouncing around, hands down the whole time. It was a very cool fight to watch.

Dave thought he had him, but he spelled Bellator wrong, and Jerry took it as, okay, you want the St. Denis guy, which sucks, because we're all sitting here, like, first off, America. And then the second thing is, like, Poria is a legend. There was a rumor, I believe, you told me the rumor. he might have put the gloves down the minute the fight was over. So there's this whole, like, nostalgic, like, man, everybody in the building wants Poirier to win. Because they've misspelled.

Right. He's like, Bella Bore and Jerry was like, do you mean, yeah, do you mean this guy, Benoit? Yeah. And Dave, just a bad beat for Dave. Yeah. He's like, oh, okay, I got you locked in on Benoit. Yeah. And so we go in.

When we go in, they go into the cage and Porier, his corner is an office. as our side where we're sitting, he turns around, locks eyes with Dave Portnoy, and goes, we fucking got this. This is not it. This is not a joke.

He goes, we fucking got this. We got this. We got this. We're going to lay them out. Look at Dave. I go, that's crazy.

I said, yeah. Like, I want to lose 20 grand now. And the whole fight, Poet, I mean, it went, what, three rounds?

Right, it went into the third. Any of the third? Did it go into the third or was it the second? It might have been the end of the second. I don't know. I thought it was the, the third, but I guess we could look it up. Yeah, round two, yeah, halfway through round two.

The whole fight, Porre is truly putting himself in danger the entire time. Coach is going for the guillotine. He has a jumping guillotine or whatever. There's been a bunch of content about it where his team was like, stopped doing that. And he was like, no, I'm going to keep doing that. You see the meme he tweeted? So funny.

He was like Dustin Porier holding the hand of, what was the caption for not the one he looked back on? Oh, yeah, the people next to him. something like he was like looking back at the nice ass and the nice ass had go for another guillotine or go for the guillotine yeah here it is yeah the game plan the game plan looking back at the sexy one guillotine choke because he just kept going for the guillotine which like what jp you were talking about it when you go for the guillotine choking you don't get it you're giving up your back every time so he's in a bad situation with benoit who's like he's a you could tell he's like a heavy 175

cat like wide back strong strong legs like not a spot you want to be in guys and it's a guy who finishes you quickly so you're just giving up your back to this cat if you don't get the guillotine every time hey try what four times yeah i think like four tried it four times to me that's like where the biggest difference in like top five fighters and everyone else is like i mean poorier outclassed him like fourier is legit just trying to get a guillotine in a fight against a dude that has never he's only finished guys yeah and all porier wants to do is just jump and grab a guillotine. And it's kind of like, all right, it's not happening fast enough.

Let me just knock him out. Yeah, dude. Because he did kind of in the first round. Same thing he kind of did have him. Right. He was throwing some hands. He won that round pretty handily. Yeah, he won that round.

And so. But that was what was anticipated. Kind of like he'd come out. If you weather the storm, you take him into the later rounds. Yeah. That's where, uh, Corey does a good job. You got to run into the storm.

Even that hook, man, he just does such a good job of like staying poised when he was like, because you're kind of in a situation, just kind of swinging. somebody and then you just kind of come out of it you kind of that composure keep your guard up and come around with a hook his boxing and connect. Porre's boxing is crazy because people will be putting it on them. It looks like they're putting it on him and he's just

rolling with them and just in this fight it's like he didn't even throw a massive like winding punch it was just a kind of like yeah kind of like coming out of like a counter or something. God it was it was impressive that was like the moment of the night they like I don't remember when we were in

Michigan and there was that fight that you and It was like my first sports bed ever and we were in the brown jug like that moment. We're all jumping up and down It was a very similar feeling to that where You just see like he starts to get that st denise guy on his like on this heels He's about to finish him and we're like really standing up like now flooding to The cage like this is like an insane moment the atmosphere is crazy insane dude it was unbelievable it was crazy and what a solid night with the boy day four no yeah treated us to casa donna which yeah beautiful establishment

Amazing service. Great food, great scene, great people. The view was incredible. You walk out, you see the water, beautiful, boats driving by. Yeah. Just incredible. There's not one, there's maybe one bad thing you can say about that place. What would it be?

When you're outside, you need to go to the bathroom. I had to walk upstairs to go to the bathroom. It would have been nice to have a bathroom on the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they probably didn't build that building. All that being said, a strong 4.5. Strong 4.5. Food was great.

Here's what I would have liked. More food on the table. table. You think so? I thought we ate the right amount. We had every court. Right amount. Did you eat too much as well? Because it was you and Dave. Oh, you're saying, you're saying it didn't get your second thing. I thought there was two like two sets of setups of everything. Like when the flay came out, there was one filet and it was like a what, eight ounce filet? It took half that thing. I hang on no, no, no, time out. Time about time. Hey, hey, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I had one bite of that filet. I had one bite of that filet. I brought to that filet because I talked to

Your mouth just been full. That thing was, hey, because when I looked at the filet on there, it was like, I saw Will take his piece. I'm like, dang. So then I cut my little thing in half because Dave hadn't had any yet. So I had one bite on the fork. I just picked it up. Because it was cut in the fort. Right.

Here I am thinking, like, oh, damn, did you all eat too much or something? You're just thinking, I know you ate like a king. Wow. That's what we ordered the sandwich. Because you know, you know me, I'm not a big, like, whitefish guy. Like I don't get like a fish entree. I thought that fish there was incredible. I know.

You had two, three bites. I did. Okay. I had three bites as a fish. I had three bites of fish. I had three bites of a fish. But I had one bite of the steak. J.P.

was like, hey, Taylor, have you had a bite yet? I'm like, no. It's all in the outside table. I was like, no, I have it. He brings me over this little tiny. Like, please, man, have some more types of hide. You just hear me down in the end. Hey, Taylor, you got to try this fish, man.

Boo, boo, boo. You were shoveling that in your mouth. I was just sitting in the car. I was like, man, it was not me. I picked the wrong seat. I would just say that little. You did sit at like, even when we all started to sit in, I'm thinking, why is Taylor sitting in like the head?

Yeah, I got a weird thing about, I don't know. I don't want to get into my weird thing about restaurants. You brought that up this week. I got a lot of weird things, playing restaurants, especially. I got this deal with one deal. But it was gas, though. I'm happy you enjoyed it. I promise, I only have one bite of that steak.

No. You know how big your bites are. Bro, you're, but I didn't like, you were acting like I cut the whole thing. I was like, oh. I thought you were going to choke. I watched you take that bite. I was like, man, he might.

It was close to half. No. It was crazy. It wasn't quite a half. Don't do that. Speak your truth. I know how much I have. I remember when I saw the bite and I cut it.

I was like, oh, this is great, medium rare. That's awesome. I mean, I was like this is a great medium rare cut. I wonder if Taylor's going to eat some because I know you like more medium well. Yeah, I like medium, but a medium rare steak is like unreal,

especially a filet. I'm a big filet guy. I was fired up to sing my teeth into that thing was so soft. Even the pasta, man. Dave, because there was two pastas they came out. What pasta came out? Do you guys had like two-thirds of your pasta gone? Two of the pastas came out.

Yeah, two of the pastas came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had J.P. had to strategically switch your guys'is plates so we get more pasta. We were out there. You know, y'all had the pasta down on that end. We were out there fighting for our lives. There's three people here that were hungry leaving the dinner. and one person that wasn't.

Hey, what's crazy is we're getting the sandwiches and, well, I'm straight. It's 3 a.m. I was hungry. I was hungry for that sandwich. I'm just thinking like, I got to try and fall asleep, which was a struggle trying to go out.

Yeah. Yeah, well, we should, are we good with the UFC talk? Is there any, a lot of people there? I think Logan Paul was there. Jimmy, Mr. B. Hey, we're getting destroyed.

We? Yeah, we, we are. you. Well, I know I am, but that's just because I mean, I probably am too. That's just because I just go back into the batters box. Like, yeah, I, I got a moment. You need to read the, the quote tweets on mine and the comments. Like, what are they saying? Like this, this picture's worse than like. I got like a Hitler photo. It's like this one's worse than this one. It's worse than this one.

It's worse than this one. The racist Avengers, which that's funny. That is funny. Yeah, funny is funny. Yeah, funny is funny. This November. Yeah, the Trump stuff is wild to me, ma'am. I know. I need to be able to... Maybe I just need it up the White House. Like, hey, can I get a...

Y'all mind if I get a photo with Sleepy Joe up there? That you posted... Bro, yeah. With Max? People are going crazy, so I'm like, you know, I wanted to have more fun with it and be like, hey, y'all... I think I said...

That's funny. That is funny. Like, y'all have me all wrong. I'm just posting photos with me and all my black friends back. Then I just throw Max in there because, you know, the culture claims Max. The culture does play Max, which you know Max loves. Yeah.

He loves that. He loves that. And I had to put up our intro to slips and picks. Like people forget. I brought on Delaney. Some say I'm a huge ally to the cookout community. And it's Delaney in the video. Be like, Theodore Roosevelt with diversity.

Theodore Roosevelt. Theater Jenkins. Theodore of the Mule Jenkins with diversity. Yeah. I mean, it's, dude, it's wild. The whole. This is what I. You take a picture with the president and you're.

and you're a racist. That's a crazy thought to me. These are the days that get me out of bed. Yeah. Nightmare blunt rotation. Oh, hey, man. Yeah, I got to look at those. Sometimes I'll just post the photo and I'll just keep moving.

I'll just keep it moving after that. I need to figure out that I need to have. I enjoy the fun. Yeah. I enjoy the fun. Absolutely. You're great at it too. Yeah, that's.

I got to find, you know what, when you said you're posting photos of your black friends, I'm thinking, I got it. I wonder if I have those. black friends. I don't know if you do. I got Delaney. I got Derek Henry. Yeah, yeah. I got some, I got some photos of black friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saffled.

Yeah. I got black friends, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a couple friends. I got enough. I got enough to be considered an ally. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. Who's less racist, Will or Taylor? Just post, post the photo of Taylor when he had that buzzed head. Oh, my rookie ear? It's a rookie year.

Oh, man. Crush him. The mustache doesn't do many favors either. You know, what you can do, man? People forget that I'm part Mexican. Like, they forget that I am a minority. But. The 23 ames that trace everybody back to Africa.

The best. Oh, yeah. It's all you need. It's always the greatest thing that that company has ever did for anybody. Yeah. So, yeah. Logan actually had a good joke during a stand-up with that. Remember?

On, like, talking about a beast or something like that. And he was, anyway, he was able to bring it in 23 and me, which was hilarious because everyone is like in that same headspace when they see that everything traces back there. Really, yeah, he had a big dig joke in Vegas. Something like that. Yeah. I know I laugh. I know I had a good chuck. I wonder if he does or not, you know, sometimes.

He's a shorter cat. Yeah, he's probably got like a stout. He's got a muscular one for sure. Yeah, yeah. He's got one. I built like him. Yeah. Drive Kings.

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Aren't you all solid in hockey? Yeah, we're solid in hockey. We're good in hockey. I think we're good in... Are you good a baseball team for a while? It was good. I don't know much about the baseball team. We were, we were, baseball team was bad when I was there.

I think they're better now. Good. Clemsonstead hired Michigan, Michigan's coach. It's hard to play baseball in the Midwest, isn't it? What do you mean? It's cold. It don't mean anything. I just remember baseball in, like in Arizona growing up.

It's like baseball is a year-round event. You can't do that in Michigan. Fall ball. Well, you said, you said the Midwest. Michigan's the north, though. Michigan is, I don't want to get in. Northeast, man. You guys are like the, you guys are like the middle of,

least of the country by everyone else's standards right now it is considered the Midwest Michigan is yeah yeah I would disagree with I mean that's what people this what people say it is but I think I think the majority welcome to the Midwest when you get to Michigan no Midwest they say welcome to the great lakes that's Minnesota wait is it the land Michigan surrounded by the great well there yeah they have a bunch of lakes however is there a later is the land of 10,000 lake excuse me What's Michigan's mantra? Welcome to the Great Lakes.

Hold up. And I see that. What is Missouri? Welcome to the Midwest. The Show Me State. Yeah, so what do you, like that? We're talking about the Midwest. You're saying that's a big...

Missouri's way more Midwest than Michigan. I think it's all like the, like, I think I'm pretty sure most of those flyover states are just kind of clumped together as the Midwest. Yeah. Like, what's Nebraska? Midwest. Or the Great Plains or something like that. I'm pretty sure Illinois is the Midwest also.

Yeah, Illinois has, yeah, Illinois feels like the Midwest. Will you pull up Midwest and just the, how many states are in the Midwest? Oh, whoa, we're in the West North Central? Well, yeah, but that's clumped in. Your division is West North Central, but we're in the Midwest Conference. We've had this. You snuck in, yes. Yeah, yeah, we see.

I made a map. Yeah, yeah, you made a map. And I thought we should have a Middle East. And the Middle East took that away from us. Yeah, they made it. Are we able to find my map, you think? I can probably look. You remember how you...

I'll be able to get you the photo, but if we were able to pull it up. Yeah, because when you did... Oh, hold on. Bill Compton, you go... Oh, there it is. This is it. Yeah, I remember seeing this a while back

and thinking this is good. This is well done. Yeah. You guys are in the Middle East. Yeah. I'll coach you right now. Northeast, East Coast, Southeast, South, Southwest. West Coast.

Pacific Northwest. This is interesting right here, getting all the way up here with the southwest. Just because you got Nevada, it feels more like an Arizona. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, for sure.

I almost feel like half of Tennessee should be in the southeast from east of Nashville over. Kind of like how Tennessee has central time and eastern time. Yeah, or really, that's where it should be is the line split. They should just redo the state lines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make it a little more organized. Islands. You got the islands. It would just be called Hawaii. I love that. Yeah, southeast. South.

Alaska is beyond the wall. Yeah, like honestly, all this is great. Yeah. It's all great. I think that's a well-done deal. But anyway, yeah, so yes, we play baseball in Missouri. I know y'all play baseball in Missouri. I'm saying it's got to be harder to play in the Midwest, Middle East, whatever.

We had a tough ball club growing up. Oh, just leaving it. Tough good or tough bad? Tough good. Really? Tough ball club. grown up expand expand it's our show so in one of the world series because I know there are many um when we were 13 maybe 12 13 we were third in the gold division oh we're talking national

we were we were we were powering number one in the state for a short period of time I was in the gold division in duolingo last week but now in the sapphire division so what is like what's the highest division platinum platinum gold silver bronze okay so all right so we're probably top 10 in the gold no no in overall how many how many teams check this out though check this out hold on hold on check this no no it's unpacked you said top 10 but you're in a division below the top dogs how many teams are in I can't remember okay that's a while ago so you're willing but I'm assuming what six places all right okay all right go ahead take this out so top 15 so it might check this out moment is uh 10

years old, our 10-year-old All-Star team coming out of Missouri, white districts. Who? White, go undefeated in state. We go to regionals where it's played out in Iowa by the field of dreams. When the region, they don't have, like, it was the Cal Ripkin League. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Cow Ripkin League. But they don't have like, you know, Little League World Series where it's like nationally televised. They didn't have a Little League World Series for the 10-year-old division.

11 and up is when it started. So we got the right carpet rolled out for us. We were at the World Series. They treated us to the World Series. They didn't tell us there wasn't World Series until after we won regional. But talking small-town Missouri Ball Club. Tough. Representing Missouri, winning the region.

Let me ask you this. Where were you in the lineup? I bet four. Bat four. Center field. Really? So you were a top dog on a top team. Your boy was nice.

You really? It was nice. I could play some baseball. What made you get away from baseball, brother? A lot more money in that. I don't know. So going into like high school, you know how it was like baseball does start to get all year round.

It wasn't a seasonal thing. And everybody always took it so serious. Like, oh, if you're going to go on this team, hey, this team's now going to have a fall ball team. And then it started to get kind of mixed up with playing in the summertime. Football wanted me on their on varsity seven on 17 as a freshman. So, and I had to kind of choose between football and baseball. And then I kind of just fizzled out of, I didn't play school ball.

When it was when it was time for baseball, I had ran track. And then after my freshman year, I basically got out of everything and just went football until my parents forced me to wrestle on my junior year or I'd be grounded.

Or I'd be grounded. Yeah. Which we've gone down that before. That's so good you got out of baseball. I mean, it's great to be in baseball, but when you have to pay between baseball and football. Yeah, I do wish I would have played schoolball. Like, I wish I would have played the sports.

I wish I played more sports in high school. I literally just played football. Yeah. They wanted me to do so much more. I know, man. Oh. Those were the good old days. Mm-hmm.

Long gone. You know what I mean, Mitch? You should have played a... You should have played school ball to see how good you guys would have been growing up. I know. Because North County was fairly decent in baseball. What I should have could have, man. I dreamed.

You're exactly where you need to be right now. That's it. Ain't nothing but babies and memories. You want to talk to NFL headlines? Yeah, I do. Do you want to reminisce on any old sports guys? I think about my baseball team. We were asked that I played in the Silverhawks at 12.

We were like a AAA, like the highest division baseball team. I think we won two games. But you're going to hate baseball, right? Because the high chin music, you weren't, you ain't trying to get hit. Yeah, I wasn't trying to get hit then for sure. That was kind of the end. The fear of the ball ended my career. So I didn't want.

That's why I quit hockey too. So I quit football the first time. Really? Yeah. I didn't know you had quit football once. Yeah, I was in third grade. I was a corner on my team. Fastest killing team.

That's where they just put you outside of the box, just put them out there. Oh. Yeah, they don't throw it in third grade. No joke, though. No liability. I hawk down. I was hawking down cat. Yeah.

Anytime my big run broke, my dad would say, Taylor and I look at him, he'll get him. I'm like, all right. I just go tackle him. But any sort of contact, I was like, I'll get me the fuck out of here. Quit that. And then hockey, I was kind of, I was nice at hockey. And then I was playing mites or mini mites. And the next year was peewee.

and peewees went checking is introduced to kids. And I was trying out for this travel team and I kind of had hands. And as like the whistle's blowing some kid who I think in my head was six, eight at the time, probably was like shorter than me. Hits me and I fall down. I was like, done.

I do not want to play this sport anymore. Such a pussy growing up, dude. And then I went to play football the next year and they wanted me to be the quarterback because I was like the fastest kid. And then I was like getting tackled and I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here. man and my grades were bad so they're like all right he's done can't can't exit read option the only reason

why i was put back into football is because of my legal issues coming out of middle school you're put back in because you're like hey like hey you have to do something so you stand on trouble yeah my dad was like hey if you're getting this much trouble you're playing football next year that's smart i remember i don't have i told the story it was like july in arizona in the middle of the day we were at cactus shadows and chad de gruner was the head coach and they were putting us through drills and I was like this like Mike from Monsters Inc. Like body style. Kind of like running around skinny arms, skinny legs, kind of a little round belly.

Figuring out, I'm dying. I go to my dad. I go to my dad. I go to the coach. I'll be in the car. And I saw this dude stand there. Had a visor on, tucked in. Just looking like the ultimate apex.

Yeah. The ultimate alpha ever, Chad de Grenier. And I just couldn't do it. I couldn't quit. So my dad waited in the car for like an hour. and a half and I came in after the drills and I was so mad then I played we went eight no nice next year I moved up to varsity to play nose tackle went 15 and no we won state and then after state I was like oh I want to play football that's like when it all switched for me how many times you

win state once I went to state twice uh no my senior year we went to state played at uh a so you went your freshman year and then your senior year I want my sophomore year then I want my senior year both at that same at the same school or no no no so my first three years was like cactus shadows in Cape Creek. My last year was a Chaparral. Yeah, so we went to state. You won it at Cact the Shadows, but you lost the Shepard. Well, we had the most salty white squad of all time.

Talking about, like, Sean January, who was like this stacked, like my boy, Cody January, he was in the sexy six. His brother, Sean, was like, jacked middle linebacker, war number 34, or just like decapitate cats.

Had like 150 tackles. His senior year. We had a Mexican kid named Eric Garias, who was like 5, 9, maybe, just a ball of muscle. We'll just run over cats, but he also had speed to break out. Philip Aho. Our quarterback was 6'4. He threw for like

an Arizona state record. And he was just, he would throw rockets. He had Kyle Watkins. We had a wide receiver. Dude, this kid was like 6'4, 40 inch vertical. We'd just like snipe the ball of the air, like grown ass men. And then it was me. Trace Stevens,

T.N. And then this other kid, I can't remember. his name. He was at D.N. as well, but these two dudes had, like, legit, like 15 sacks. And we were just, we murdered people, like, everybody. And I lights, man. We murdered everyone. We won every single game handedly, too. One game we were close, we played Notre Dame, we lost, we won 20 to 17. That was the closest game. Everything else was like multiple touchdown blowouts. And in my senior year, we played Sawaro, lost of them, 21-0. The Wayne Garrett had a dive and catch in the end zone. They got called back by, for a face-mas.

by number 77, but it would have been, it would have been 14-7 at half. We ended up losing 21-7. And then we played them again and state lost 38-0. Yeah, it was bad. Bents you all over. Huh? Bench y'all over. I don't know what that means.

Baint you over. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was brutal. Brutal. But yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk some NFL headlines, dude. Baker Mayfield, number one.

So happy for him. Story of the year. Baker Mayfield First round He was on the Ryan Fitzpatrick train Where he was gonna just jump around From team to team to team to team Play 15 years in the league

And then tip the cap as he leaves Just a true locker room guy that everybody loves Signs a three-year $100 million deal with Tampa And this is right This is less than a week after they signed Who's old? Yeah Mike Evans

Mike Evans back To another insane bag Mike just is sitting in Florida No state income tax And just raking in money over and over and over again. But it's unbelievable, man. That's unreal.

Yeah, I'm happy for Big Man. Like you were saying, like once he left the Browns was kind of like bouncing around, trying to find a home, played well, like when he got to the Rams with McVeigh. And he's just stayed steady. He's just kept fucking grinding, man. And now it's paying off. He got a $100 million deal, 50 guaranteed. Golly.

That's got to feel so good because there's got there had to be so many times where Baker sitting there doubting himself being like maybe i maybe i should have gone about stuff different maybe i should have just kind of in your coming form to the attitude that people really wanted me to have and you're coming into uh to be the successor of tom of tom brady yeah no one gave you a shot at the beginning of the year no and they were a dangerous team all all season gritty team all see gritty he was on a one year four million dollar deal right fast season no because no literally nobody was counting them in it And they were getting a little sneaky throughout the first start of the year. Had a little, had a little lull in the middle.

But yeah, bro. And the team seemed to rally around him big time, which I'm sure played into all of it, man. So fired up for the boy Baker Mayfield getting his $100 million deal. That's huge. That's a big one, man. I mean, to me, that's the biggest, like, there's been bigger numbers that's been had throughout, like, before this free agency has started. But for Baker to get that kind of money.

And throughout the process he's had to go to is the best. Russell met with the Steelers. I think he would also, tentatively, he's going to meet with the Giants as well. He's with the Steelers, yeah? Yeah, he signed. Gotcha. He stopped at the Giants, went to Pittsburgh. Here's what I'll say about.

I kind of planted my flag on the ground, how I feel about Russell Wilson and how he has handled himself. I'm not the biggest fan of how he's operated. If he goes to the Steelers, I think he finds success he used to have. I think so with art? I think because Arthur Smith, I think Arthur Smith is going to put him in a situation where it's not going to heavily rely on just him throwing the ball over and over again, kind of like the Broncos did. They're going to run the ball a whole lot more.

Art, I think Art does great with quarterbacks. I saw the way he was operating with Tanna Hill and even Marcus before he got benched in 2019. I think Art does a great job of quarterbacks in helping him. Because Russ does have the mind for what I think happened to Russ is, and I don't know Russ at all, but here's what I think happened to Russ. He had success very early. It got to his head. He started playing more into the, let me show you how hard I work.

how big of a celebrity I am. Yeah, all the endorsements and all that stuff. He has been humbled in a massive way. He has had the biggest, was a dead cap from being cut. Like, he's had the biggest cap hit for a team because they didn't want you anymore. Any team could have possibly had. And so that is going to play into the factor of him being like, yeah, I have, I have an act in a certain way that has gotten me away from the successes I used to have at Seattle. And I do know one guy that played on the Broncos with him.

And towards the end of that first year, Russ brought them together. And he's like, he apologized for his attitude and how he went about it the wrong way. So I think there's been a lot of humility put in place for Russ. I think that with Arthur Smith, with a guy like Mike Tomlin, I feel like that's going to be any at Nagea as well.

They got weapons. I think that's a good place for Russell to go. Yeah. That's a good spot for Russell. I mean, they got him for basically league minimum, one point two. Yeah. For the age he is, I mean, the Broncos are picking up the rest of the $39 million to have.

Yeah, so Russ. Very much like a low risk investment for the Steelers. Low risk investment. It's a prove it deal from the sense that he's only getting paid to 1.2, but he's also getting paid another 39. Right, but it ain't the Steelers. You know what I mean? So he knows there's like a make or break year for him.

Yeah. And even the way the Steelers operate about it, it's not like they'll feel some pressure. Right. If he's the guy for the job or not the guy. The best ones are going to play. Yeah. The best ones are going to play. Yeah.

So, yeah, I think it's going to work out in Pittsburgh. Steeler fans can look forward to a lot of run game, a lot of play action, some QB keep, some screens, just to get him going. Yeah. DeAndre Smith, a three-year, $24.5 million deal with 15.3 guaranteed going to the Chicago Bears. Swift is a stud. Yeah, I like Swede. Who else did the Bears get? I think they got somebody else throughout this process or re-sign somebody.

or something. Okay. Because it feels like the bears are really starting to get that. I mean, they might have had this for a while. I haven't really followed the bears a whole lot. But it seems like they're getting this franchise like you have with the Buffalo Bills back in the 2010s or it's like that's where you go for your career to die. The Browns before these last few years, that's where you go for your career to die.

And it seems like there's like a little bit of a rumbling that maybe it's changing this year. But we felt that way with the Browns, what, six years in a row when they were Super Bowl champions? in April. Yeah. So we'll see what happens with the Bears, man. I'm not,

I feel for guys like Big Cat who are sitting out there thinking. I think they'll be more competitive this year. They're just in a tough division.

It kind of depends on if Kirk signs back with the Vikings, but let's just, in fantasy world he does. You still got the Vikings. You got the Packers. The Packers are fucking coming.

You also got the Lions are the best in the division. The four in that division it's not close. Yeah. Right. There'll be a more competitive fourth in the division.

Speaking of, Kirk, there was a, we saw a report port where we're Miami that they're talking about Atlanta Falcons yeah yeah yeah which is huge which makes family his wife's family lives in it lives in Atlanta and I know in the off seasons Kirk would spend a lot of time in Atlanta anyway yeah but yeah that would make a lot of sense and Kirk's a studs I feel like he's one of those cats that has been paid what

right breaking news Tony Pollard signing with the Tennessee Titans oh oh shit Tony Pauler Tennessee Titans baby big opening for Dallas and Derek Kennedy Hey, that's like a Baker Mayfield filling in for Tom Brady. Now Tony Pollard's got to come in after eight years at the king. That's going to be big shoes to fill. Guys are stud, though, completely different ball player than Derek. The boys got to build that line of scrimmage. You build that line of scrimmage.

Pollard, he can, you know, you need a complimentary back, kind of like a one-two punch, but he's somebody who can come out of the backfield, kind of make it out. But who's the, yeah, Taj. Tjay Spears? Yeah, Tadier Spears. He's a beast, too. He's similar styles. He had, like, over 1,000 all-purpose yards.

rookie year that Tajay Spears kid yeah similar styles which is interesting because you kind of wish you had like uh what was it thunder and lightning with uh cj 2k and his boy yeah yeah glandelle what lendell white and in dallas it was you had zeke and pollard kind of the one too yeah so that'll be interesting because they're both smaller backs that have like good catching capability can run routes get out in open space maybe just run more two back right less tight ends yeah we're a lot just a lot more 11 personnel. Yeah. I wonder, though.

You got to keep both those guys on the field. It's like how many weapons you get? DeAndre, Traylon Burks, I still have more touchdowns than him. Yeah, and then Nick, Nick Westbrook or Kene. They're kind of, I'm sure they'll try and get it. They got to get somebody, but they've got so many issues in this free agency. They've got to go pick it off the tackle out.

They have to get a tackle if they're not going to do it in the draft. Now, the draft has a lot of talent. There's that kid from Penn State. He's a stud. and then Joe Alt as well, who had to me, I don't know if his combine was very good. You think he lost money at the combine? I don't think he lost.

I don't think he gained, though. I'll say that. And we all know of kind of the conversations we've had in the past. The combine is really not. What you see on the TV is kind of like a showman's thing. It's like, okay, you get to watch and run. You get excited when dudes do well, and then boo when they do terrible. But as long as you're checking boxes, it is what it is.

He had 27 reps on the bench. That's plenty. That's plenty strong. He ran a 5-2. That's your standard officer line. and speed it's what you're going to get but I thought his hips looked a little tight but he's he seems like a kid that it gets he's he's taller than me it is like half an inch taller than me he's a he's a big fucking boy is what he is so we'll see what happens there

they need to address the office line though the Tennessee Titans want to be good this year then you do address the office line but you need another weapon at a wide receiver as well yeah because they're going to be way different the Tennessee Times are going to be a high a high powered you know through the air type of offense now right it's totally going to change completely There's Callahan there, I mean. Yeah, I'm from the Bengals. You have all those.

You had all that talent there, which, by the way, T. Higgins requesting a trade. There's your guy right there. Go get him. That's who you want. Yeah, could potentially come here. I don't know. He's the number two wide receiver at the Bengals. Looking at the second at most.

Definitely not a first. Looking at the Jerry Judy kind of the article saying that the Browns gave up I believe a fifth and sixth rounder. Two different years, though, I think. I know, both in 24. Is it 24? But the writer followed up saying, with the way the wide receiver class is,

it's fair, that's a fairly good deal because it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of talent in the wide receiver class this year. Yeah, maybe. I don't follow the wide receivers very much. Obviously, we know about Marvin Harrison, Jr. There's a couple kids from Washington.

Yeah. Yeah, who's your boy, Juice? Juice Wells? Oh, who's that? So who's your guy that we're disrespect. Xavier Leggett. Steve Smith, Sr., very high on him.

He's a better D.K. Metcalfe. Ooh. What? He big like that? Yes, bro. Ran a 4-4. So what is that? We just mentioned four guys, right?

Marvin, the two dudes from Washington, I believe. When Washington was playing Michigan in the National Championship, they were like those two wide receivers, and I'm forgetting their name, so forgive me. They were compared to like the Ohio State class with Chris Alave and who else was in that class. Garrett Wilson.

So they were kind of like those speed really sharp routes. We go with their hands type of dude. So when you see those four or five guys that we just mentioned, I guess after that kind of falls apart. But I kind of like the way the Rams did it do where they kind of just said, fuck the draft. We're going to get guys that already know what they're doing in the league and we're going to put a team together and essentially max out our cap space and go win one. Yeah.

Has it you got to think T. Higgins commands a second round a second rounder no all of like these older trades that have happened years ago like what was the Andre he was like he was like a third or fourth round pick yeah fourth though with david johnson though who was at the prime and his running back career yeah but i mean like so i forget who it was years ago uh but like they only got it was like Julio Jones or something was traded for like a third round pick. Yeah, he was in his 13th year in the NFL. No, that was, that was, this was like four or five years.

Yeah. Oh. Like when he got traded from Atlanta. Yeah, to the Titans. Is that where he went? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you looked at it as like a two or three in the wide receiver room, like you're not going to get, you're not going to get a high.

And if he came to the Titans, he would go back to being a two. Because he had D. Andre Hopkins. So, depending how they see Traylon Burks. Heiggins could be seen more as like a slot guy, yeah? Yeah, maybe, but what do you get? Burks, he hasn't stayed healthy at all. Like, he's had a couple of games where you're like, okay, that's who we drafted.

Yeah. You know, he was already coming in the eight ball, behind the eight ball with, you know, being the guy that essentially replaced AJ Brown. They traded AJ to get him. So, yeah, but T. Higgins and the Titans would be awesome. Chris Jones. What year is Chris Jones? Eleven.

Got a fat bag. I got the truck got back. $150 million, right? Yeah. The whole contract. I didn't get paid shit. this year. Oh, you probably got a sonny buzz. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. there it is. There it is. 30 money. Oh, I had the base salary like 1.25. Like, oh, okay. And 18 million of it's due by April 5th of this year. Oh, yeah.

Good Christmas. That is, yeah. See, 1, 2 and 13 the next year, 19, 28, and 35. I wonder if he'll see that and then 27, 28. Because he's got how much guaranteed? 90? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he'll be a cap casualty at some point.

Yeah, I mean. 5.3 guaranteed. Yeah. 58 total. Up to 158. You got 95 guarantee. That's amazing. That's amazing.

Shout out Chris Jones. That's incredible. Smooth little job with the holdout, didn't even play the whole season. Right. There's enough data to show. Any, the deal he signed too. He missed one. He missed one game, but the deal he signed was like a million more dollars than what he would

have got if you just stayed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. There's enough data collected on. on what the defense looks like with Chris Jones and without Chris Jones. Yeah, he didn't. Good for him.

Yeah, good dude, too. Just like the other day, too, and you said Casey, dot, dot, dot, that's like super cryptic. Yeah. That's awesome. Chris Jones, if you're watching right now, we would love to have you on the bus, by the way.

Yeah. I think he's committed. He's committed the boys on the bus. He's got to get a time out of him. Yeah. Got to get him out to Nashville. No question. He can fly private to come see us.

No problem. Yeah. That's new money, especially. Right after April 5th, we'll hit him up. Yeah. April 6th. Yeah. When that check clear is going, get you a plane down here, brother. We can't get a plane, though.

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to see players going to that three the three year type of deals like a few years ago you see dude signing those five those six year deals right the three years is is and with the money it's at is great but it's essentially still a bet on yourself type of thing like in three years I'm gonna go get this bag again yeah yeah which is very up there the quicker you can get the free agencies is the right to go. Right. Barring that you stay healthy. Yeah,

that is the hardest thing to do. Another dude, Brandon Graham, he just signed a one-year deal, but he's going into his 15th season with the Philadelphia Eagles. Same team. Yeah,

it's crazy. And in the same, well, I think 24-hour span, Fletcher Cox, aside I'm done playing, played 12 years with the... Core group of guys, man.

Or breaking news is a crazy day. Hackers just released David Bakhtiari. That one was kind of on the radar, yeah? Yeah. That's been kind of talked about it. We all understood that was going to happen. Yeah, yeah. Where do you guys think?

You might end up. I mean, if he can stay healthy, you go to Tennessee. He's already got a house out here. That would be a big win. That would be a big win. That's good. He was at the house the other day for that dinner we had.

And you know, Dave is a guy that very reminds me a lot of Dennis Kelly, like very aware, very understanding, loves a good conversation. And you could tell in that process, he knew that this inevitable news is going to happen. But anytime you get cut, dude, even though you know what's going to happen. There's a somber moment for you. you. Sitting there being like, damn, it's really over. Because he was at, he was there for 10 years, right?

The Packers? I think he's a year older than me. In a while, yeah. It was a long time. Yeah, 10 years. And he and I have very similar situations as far as, like, had a knee. Knee was, you know, not the best after the first surgery. Had to go back, get some stuff cleaned out, stuff like that.

And so this was definitely something we all knew was going to happen. But love the boy, Bach. Love him. Yeah. He's going to be eye. He's going to be eye. It'd be sick if the Titans grab them. That would be sick.

Figure something out. It'd be big too. It'd be a huge help because you get a guy in free agency that you know can play ball. The only question mark on him is can you stay healthy? Yeah. Which is a scary question mark. But if he's able to play at 80% of his capabilities, the guy's a pro bowl guy. He's a football team.

Man, who is that linebacker from Carolina who saw him in Vegas? Play next to Keekly. Thomas Davis. Tours knee. Same knee. Three times. Three times. still came back pro bowler that's impressive that is impressive should we uh oh oh oh

mac jones how you feel about mac jones going from the Patriots to the Jags i thought it was a weird deal and it's sad for mac because he's going to be the backup of the jacks yeah yeah so it's one of those i mean he's not yeah he's not Trevor Lawrence no he's not Trevor Lawrence but Trevor Lawrence didn't have the greatest season last year so I don't know if in the jaguars camp they're sitting there going hey maybe if Trevor they'll probably a little quarterback That'll absolutely have. But it ain't going to be a real one. No, no, no, no.

Absolutely not. Yeah, it's not going to be a real one. It's tough. I mean, it's Dave, what Dave did a little, you know, video yesterday talking about Mac Jones, how, you know, it's not said and written yet,

if he's a bust or not. This is every bit of a bust that we're looking at right now. But you have the perfect example in the same conversation of Baker Mayfield, who until last year was an absolute bust. Now he's getting a hundred million dollar contract. Broke a woman. Who you talking about?

He's the first overall pick He did, he did, leave the Browns of the playoffs He led the Browns of the playoffs He's a first overall pick First overall pick If you're the first overall pick You're a quarterback like you would think the guy Like the standard of a bust

Of being a top five pick is insane Like you should be on that team for 10 years While there's arguments Kind of out at him too When they let him go Part of ways with him There are arguments You could have arguments

That Amari Cooper's a bust Did you? I'm telling you I'm saying I'm not saying he is I'm saying the argument If you're that much of a talent You're at the Cowboys

And you go to the Cleveland Browns It's sent to the Browns It's that you're getting traded If you were that great That team's gonna want to keep you But he had a great run with Dallas He had a great run with Dallas But how many years was there for?

Five or six years Okay six Baker also had like four Yeah And he did well with the Browns He was a top four pick wouldn't he? Four offensive coordinator Five years

Look up Amari Cooper I'm not saying he is a bust I'm saying there's an argument for that And I know that's a big like trigger word for everybody's bust And people are gonna get mad about that That there's an argument I was a bust I mean the last two

The last two years Amari had over a thousand yards receiving In his career It looks like he's had an eight year or nine year career 9,400 yards 60 touchdowns Stud Who's the wide receiver He didn't get extended with the Raiders It seems like he had some injury problems in that 2018, 2017, 18 season.

He went to the Raiders first. So Raiders kind of like let him do his thing in free agency. Dallas signs them. They get a lot of, they get a lot of other investment at Dallas. And he goes to the Browns and he's still over 1,000 yards. Yeah. Who's the kid? I know I'm not a bus.

Who's the kid that has been like nine different teams who has 1,000 yards every year? Brandon Cooks. That's the. argument is being on multiple teams when you're when you're a first round pick i'm not saying amarie cooper's a bust i'm saying there's an argument for it because you're on multiple different teams what is your standard of a bust that's not that's not my standard that's somebody like somebody else when i was arguing what you guys are arguing he was saying yeah but if you're really that good you're going to be on the same team for you know longer but the the thing is like raiders

could have been in the running in free agency like some guys aren't tied to just be like i'm going to stay with the same team. Like, Raiders could have probably offered him a contract. I'm not sure. Was he, no, they would have picked up a fifth year option. He got traded their, because they don't pick up the fifth year option. Yeah, this dude. That was.

Still willing to deal, like, just because the fifth year doesn't get. Brandon Cooks, this guy is still saying the same thing. Like, he says a thousand yards a year, but he can't stick anywhere. I think he's been with the Texans for a few years now. Does he? Look that up. Contracts. Just, uh, go up and just hit career.

earnings. And zoom in. When was Cooks drafted? 2014. What round? First. Who? For real?

Yeah, I mean, and it's like him bouncing around. Like he could be, you never know, but he could be like an attitude guy where he just doesn't stick. Like to me, if you're a first rounder and you're being productive and you're somebody a team can build a round during that season, you're not. Like to me, like if Amari Cooper would have been a bus, a real bus fizzles out after that down those down years or trending down years in his third and fourth season that he wouldn't be bouncing back the fact that he bounces back and he's still putting up great numbers for a receiver

because Dallas did love him and then you just have and a lot of people say amari cooper is like one of the best route runners that you'll find yeah oh yeah then they say he's not a bad locker room guy or nothing like that like sometimes the business is just the business but i mean he's been averaging over a thousand the last several years like coo yeah like to me he's he's he's he's I don't know what the word is of he's paying off. Yeah. He's got 20, he made 17 million bonus in 2019.

Yeah, with the Rams. With the Rams. Oh, yeah. He got knocked out, right? In that game? Somebody will just take the top off. Wasn't he on the Patriots?

He has the Eagles. That's right. No, I see, this is a dude too. I think he's at a thousand yard year every year he's been leaked. Yeah. But he bounces around all over the place. Yeah, you could just be like an attitude guy who knows. I haven't really heard a whole lot about him as far as like his reputation.

No, yeah, Cooper's definitely not a bust. That was a bad take. You will clip it, though. Yeah, clip it. Absolutely clip it. Shout out no free shout out. Yeah, I'm down. dropping him some shout out no free shoutouts?

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I love it. Nice. That's just no free shoutouts. Shout out, no free shoutout. Rouse, pasta sauce. I see that they have some ketchup, but I think I'm going to dabble in it because their brand has gravitated

toward me enough to be like, you know what? I bet their ketchup tastes better. Really? That's how well I feel like their brand awareness. What's the brand name? Rouse, R-A-O. Yes.

R-A-O-Postriy as Rouse. Yes, man. But they're, man, what is their exact? Hey, bring up, bring up their lineup. Bring up their roster. How do you? Yeah, Rouse. R.A.

Yeah, bring out the Rows. Rows, a, apostrophe, S. Rouse roster. It's in Whole Foods, Jack. You might not have seen it. Yeah. I ain't rich like that. It's good branding.

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like anything like you know emo's shot the boy some toasting ravioli so at times where I get the toast ravioli And I'll just, that's my mariner sauce. I'm just dipping it in the rouse, bro. Yeah.

The rouse, pasta sauce. That's my shout-out, Nuffrey shout-out this week. Nice, nice. I'll keep the same thing on my shout-n-offrey shout. My shout-n-frey shout-out is going to go to Sunday family dinner nights. Being gone since Wednesday, getting back Sunday. Usually Tannen does the meatball. She does all that.

We had a dinner two weeks ago. This week, she decided to make pieces. She made the dough herself, got all the things going, got all the toppings, all the things you would want on your pizza. the kids make their own pizza she you know cooked the whole thing fire that woman can make some dough like her sourdough techniques you've had the cinnamon rolls incredible had the bread incredible like the her little pasta's yeah her little is the meat bowl she she is very good she's been finding a solid lane in the bakery category yeah she's been she's been crushing it so shout out what's your role in the kitchen during family dinner big cleanup guy big cleanup guy now

last night i put both kids to sleep so she did uh she bent the knee and she she cleaned up which was nice because I thought I was going to have to do both. Oh wow. Usually when I come home after a longer trip, I try to overcompensate a little bit. Get in there, do as much as possible. Step up. Step up or step out, brother. You got to pick one. I decided to step up. So yeah, the shout-out family dinner nights, especially when it's everything's made by hand. Shout out, Tailing on that. Mitchie, what do you got, brother? My shout-out. No free shout-out this week goes to something that happens a lot when you were a kid. And when you get these in the mail you were just so stoked

that you know your sports season's come around it's those East Bay magazines you just you scroll or flip through all the pages circle some shit like on it that you want like mom this is what's going to take me to the next level these paracletes this

baseball glove this is what's going to make me the best player possible and but like every time you would get those East Bay magazines you're so stoked to see like what the new fashion and new trends that are or different sports season. Hell yeah.

RIP, East Bay. My one issue about sports apparel is I love when I find like the pair of cleats that I love to wear. Mine were Nike alphas. They're the midtops. I thought they were the best cleats I ever wore my entire life.

They only run them for like a year, maybe two years. And then they bring in like, they name the same thing, but they change a whole bunch of shit about them. And I hate that. I wish so badly they would just keep like, keep the good thing and good thing.

You got to find that. You got to find them. Yeah. You got to find the. vintage boys on eBay man. They're hard, man. I remember when, like, pro alpha or something like that,

Michael Ruse wore these cleats. And when I switched from Meditas to Nike because my foot was hurting me, these were the cleats I wore that, like, my foot never hurt. And then they stopped making them like two years later and I was sick to my stomach. Ended up finding the alphas,

which I was fired up about. Jack, what do you got? Mine goes to Robert Downey Jr. He got his first Oscar last night. And... Rappenheimer? Yeah. And it's just, I think it's cool because we all know the story of Robert Downey Jr.

He's off his rocker, you know, decades ago losing his life for drugs and in and out of rehab. He did Blackface and Traffic Thunder. And for him to get an Oscar on like the global scale, I think it's cool. And he had a really cool accepting speech and tipped his cap to his wife and like all these funny little jokes and stuff. So yeah, shout out to Robert Downey Jr. Did he get any backlash for the Blackface? No, because it was a flawless performance. It was incredible.

Yeah. Someone actually brought it up last night when they were presenting him, which was funny too. But yeah, shout out to Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man. That's a good one. That's a real good one. JP. Oh.

I saw something cool with that, too. Robert Downey for the first Iron Man, I think he only got paid like $500,000 or something. Yeah, super low. And then now it's made him like over $400 million. No shit. Crazy. Sticking in the movie topics. Ooh, here it comes.

Shout out, no free shout out to Kung Fu Panda 4. Could be the last of one of my favorite series of all times. They left the door open if they did want to create some more. Yeah. Well, man, so many, y'all know, I love animated movies. And so many of my favorite life lessons have come from that movie. Come from my Master Ugui, Master Shifu. master shefu

Po he's working his way up the sensei leaderboard in the movie and I watched it last night and it's just it was great so shout out to Kung Fu Panda let's go man we were flirting with that in Miami

whether to go see you in the mirror there was a piece of me when I saw you tweet about it I was like damn we should have just gone yeah there was no Uguer in the movie which stung a little bit but I think I'm about to start campaigning

for a Master Uguet origin story movie that would be elite That would be my next campaign Yeah I even we talked about Master, oh not Master Panda Kung Fu Panda so much in Miami

I went and watched Kung Fu Panda 3 We had some downtime It's fire film I was happy I did too Because I thought I'd seen it And I hadn't seen it Gotta get on it Gotta get on it

Gotta get on it You had a lot to get on right now Born Kung Fu Panda Sharing food at dinner Masters the Air Sharing food at dinner Yeah I was it pissed me off It just reaffirms everything I think about.

You should just wait until a season is over and then binge watch it. Seven and eight have been a little bit set upish. Nine and ten are going to be. Is it only ten episodes? I think so. I mean, at this point I thought that's... It's usually eight to ten. Right.

Usually eight to ten. I know. It's such a good show, though. It's so good. And all the different storylines are doing an amazing job of establishing multiple main characters, not just, you know, Austin Butler. Yeah. I agree.

That being said, Showgun. Oh, so good. How many episodes is that show right now? Three. Four out right now, or is there three? Four is the latest, will be the latest one.

We'll be coming out tomorrow or Wednesday. I thought it was tonight. I think it comes out tonight, like maybe 11. Oh, got you. Yeah. Yeah. But there'll be four.

They'll be four this week out. Yeah, I'm going to wait until the season's over. I'm going to go watch them all. That's what I'm going to do. I can't. I'm already. every time I put Masters of Air on literally halfway through the episode

I get this feeling of my son like there's gonna be no closure at the end of this I'm not gonna... Yeah, yeah I personally don't mind staying up to date because it's something to look forward to every week because usually if I'm binging my next morning kind of I'm just like

fuck why do I stay up and watch stuff like usually I'm getting to a point to where I have an episode and an episode of half in me just at night time then when in between that 9-9.30 I'm just thinking hey you're trying to get ready for bed so I don't mind like and then each If you have a full roster going to where you got like three or four days of the week where something new comes out and you're on that amount of shows, you have something different every night to look forward to. Special time in mind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never experienced that. I think it's cool, too, though, when on like the flip side of the corner where you're like, damn, this episode's not going to give me closure, when you do hit an episode that's just like incredible, there's like something about it where like you fought for this episode. It's like you put in hours just to get this night. And that, to me, is funny. That's special. Yeah. And then if you're bitching, you're kind of bitching with everybody.

Yeah, right. God. This is a teaser. Next week. To me crazy next week. Yeah, we'll watch show gun. You should. Good show.

Very good. Both three selling points. Yeah. It's a very good show. That comes out on Mondays? I think so, like, Monday nights. Yeah, Monday. And I'm saying that because Jack was fired up last week.

He's like, hey, tonight, episode three. Yeah, it's, if you have, like, Kulu premium, you get it at 11 p.m. And then if not, I think it comes out on Tuesday's, like, maybe Tuesday morning or something. Gotcha. something like that. Good show. Yeah, sounds like it. You got any good, uh, dad tales?

Um, or a little dad segment or dad club segment. Yeah, I got one. I got one. Perfect. I got it on. Uh, dad's segment. Buy our merch, buy our merch, 47. Yeah, yeah, you talk about the shamrock from Duke Kenon.

And we have, uh, St. Paddy's Day merch as well. You guys can go check out store.org.com. Dads. Now, for the dads that travel a bunch for work, I don't know how much you guys, if you're in and out for a weekend or whatever, the boys were gone from Wednesday to Sunday morning. I get real excited when I get to come home. I think about all the things we're going to do and play and bowl of the ball.

So during the day, kids are, we're playing these different games. We're ripping around, having a good time. Bed times. I don't know what happens when I'm not home. But every time I come home,

it's a bit of a hassle putting my kids down. Something's different. Something's off. I think the leash was a little too loose possibly. Because me, I'm a big structure guy from like dinner times and bed, or like meals. times and bed times. I feel like our great structure points and then everything in between,

let them be kids. But having that little bit of structure that I can kind of feel it is big. Obviously, it's a spring break right now for my kids. So they're kind of doing whatever the hell they want, which is great. And I go to put my kids down last night. And it is, it's just kind of cracking the whip a little bit, getting them back in and everything. So when put her in her bed and you can tell she was like, how am I going to get out of this? But then, I left no room. no room to wiggle through everything. We knocked out everything, gave her everything.

I said, we can do one more of this, one of that. So I don't only have like a, I'm not mad about anything today, but I am just. A little frustrated. No, no, no, no.

I'm not even frustrated. I will just say to the dad's, a solid structured bedtime will help so much with, as your kids get older. Because when they're, like Willow's three. And Willow, I can just,

she kind of knows the deal. You got a rip, go. Here we go. Boom. You're in bed. I'll see you later. When they get six and they start to know like, okay, I can ask these questions and they'll stay longer. And then if I do X, Y, and Z that'll bring them back upstairs.

And then she starts leaving the bed to come back downstairs. That's the stuff where now I'm infuriated. It's this part where you're able to know, like go in with a plan. Go to war with a plan. Don't just go in there for a bedtime. Know what you're about to establish what you're supposed to do with your kids. Execute it. Love them up and get out.

Yeah. That's the move. Routine. So it's more of a, we got to stay together with structured bedtimes. That's my dad segment. So she was pressing a couple buttons last night. She wasn't pressing buttons, but I could tell that... How stern did you have to get with her at the point?

To me, it's not, it's not pressing the buttons from like, you want to talk. I'm all about talking. But if I'm like, hey, can you go do this? Like, it's time for bed, go brush your teeth. And it's like, we want to have a fuck around session of going to the closet and then ripping over to this all area. And then we're going to go and I was what, watch, you know, Stewart from Matt TV. Look what I could do. And kind of like starts ripping around.

That's when it's like, what I just say like I'm getting real good and I said this last week I'm getting real good at the stern dad voice and I had to throw down a stern dad voice at a not only all right um hey win do you mind uh just go brush your teeth sweet and then after go brush your teeth and then after go brush your teeth sweet and then after I have to brush your teeth and then after I have to brush your teeth right now because that's what I'd ask you to do two minutes two minutes what The closet? Go brush your teeth for two minutes. What's what I'm doing? Mom letting me play. That's fine. Mommy's not putting you to bed tonight.

You hear my tone of voice? You hear my tone right now? I've got tears coming with my eyes. Do you hear my tone though? Yeah. So what does I tell you? It tells you daddy's a little frustrated. Because all daddy wants you to do is just go and brush your teeth right now.

Once we do that, we can knock a couple of these things out. But if daddy asks you to go do something, just go do that thing, and then we can have fun. Promise? Promise. We can play? Yeah, we can play for five minutes. Ten? Honey.

Come on now. Go brush your teeth. We'll talk about it. You say 10 minutes, I'll go brush my teeth. She said that to me. I think I was like, damn, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, 10 minutes. That's so.

What haggling? Hey, but that was legit it. That was when? We had a thing at PetSmart too, dude. We're playing with the cats at PetSmart. Yeah. And Willow was on like one of the little scratchcloth things, and she was looking in the big bowl for these other cat toys to give

the kids and Willow was like already kind of like maxing out the weight for this cat thing and I get her off and when it's like I want to do it I'm like oh win you're too big you're too big it's gonna break it she's I'm saying it I'm from me to her hey you're too big and she just looks at me and starts walking to it was like you're too big she puts like three hands on it you're too big and starts climbing up like I'll win I just put some bass in the come on bro she's like what I'm like what do you mean what what did I just say to you She's like, I'm too big. I'm like, then why are you doing it?

You're too big. I don't want you to get hurt. Yeah. So now I'm fired up. Negotiation tactics are alive and well with the kids, man. It's a daily thing, man. The daily thing. We had a couple of whining situations yesterday, too, that I've already bitched about.

But I handle my business. I handle my business. You can hit the adjust the hat. I handle my business out there. You know how it is. Mine goes to, I wrote the story out on Twitter, but mine goes to, I wrote the story out on Twitter, but Mine goes to roofs, understanding that Fridays are pizza Fridays and movie nights. Yeah.

I picked her up from a nap, brought her over the table, and just to, like, make conversation. I always just asked, like, did you sleep well? Did you dream? What were your dreams about? I'm like, hey, what do we get to do tonight? And she was like, movie night. And I was like, I'm sitting up there changing. I'm like, yeah, that's right.

I was like, what else do we get to do? And she's like, piece up Friday. And I was like, let's go. And I just picked her up. I was like, so I'm like, yeah, that's right. That's right. She's starting to put like together to, you know, two and three words, which, fires me up. Um, what else do I have? Here's a tip for the dads out there. I do really well.

And it's only dad too. And mom doesn't, for whatever reason, mom doesn't have the power. But secret, telling her a secret. Like if we're trying to get her to do something, but hey, that needs to tell you secret. And she'll like, come on. And then basically just tell her what we've been telling her for the last couple minutes. Yeah. And then she'll just, she'll be all about it. So a little tip is letting them in on a secret and do secret time. is a very good one because then they'll come over and they'll say more I beg back she'll run on over and you're just like yo I got some that's a nice one yeah yeah yeah yeah the secret thing is a nice move yeah yeah she'll just start getting like you

should want to jump on the couch or something like that and you just be ru-ru hey that it needs to tell you secret that needs to tell you secret and she like started to get out and I'll start to like walk away I'm like just and then I'll kind of tell her and she'll just she'll do it bro it's crazy that's awesome that's awesome we're about to have the tale of two dads though because you had some great ones I'm about to go in now the secret thing we did that for bedtime for a little bit yeah and it turned into it's like all right come me a secret and then they'll basically just say a bunch of shit like and that becomes the conversation yeah and then I'm like this is when they're laying in the crib I go to leave and it's like daddy all right

because you're enjoying yourself too yeah then five secrets in you're like okay it's time for bed see i'll just well i'll just end up walking out because every time re want something extra i just remind her i'm like you said one more because i'll tell charo i'm like she negotiates with charro like ru's big on like hug hug she wants to give everything a hug and her hug just like a lean in it yeah and she'll like want to hug the stairs like when she had uh what is it rsv yeah the little treatment thing where she's got to put the thing on her over her mouth but she'll be like she'll so say treatment she's got to hug treatment she's got to go out and hug this

she's got to hug the couch she's got to hug the blonde That's because there's always something new. They're just trying to negotiate to stay up longer. Yeah. And talk about how do you, I'm like, I don't know, sweetheart.

I just like, I just stick to whatever I'm saying. I'm like, no, I know that sucks. I know that sucks. I know that's a much different dad and mom things. I feel like moms are more willing to negotiate with their child.

Yeah. They're such a warmer place. Moms are such a warmer place in their arms. Yeah. And I love that we're having this conversation because what you're saying makes me okay. All right. I know I'm, I know I'm in the same boat like that she can't hug mom again.

And she'll start like, crying about hey hey hey hey hey mom sent me a picture you let me show you a picture mom so you can give her a hug yeah so just pull up charo's instagram and just show the most reason picture and i'm like here's mom give her a bar a bar three yeah yeah yeah that one was last night she leaned in and then and then that she was stopped crying that's awesome yeah he tried to pull that on me was like yeah yeah went to try to pull that on me last night she's like i want to tell mom something i was like mom's dealing with something downstairs guys pretty down night tonight and then she like started get us, I said, like, honey, we're not doing this tonight.

We're not going to get upset about stuff that we know can wait until tomorrow. It's all good. We're all good. And she's like, she's like, just, I just say one thing to mom. I was like, you know what? I'll call her. I called her. I was like, hey, Mom, when wants to ask you, tell you one thing? Right. As the one thing. And I was like, oh, no, like,

hey, here's the situation we're in by my tone of voice. Literally as Wynne's breath. She's ending the sentence of the one thing. I'm like, all right, mom, love you. We'll see you. We'll see. Got it done. Look how that works. Huh? In and out. The phone is big. The phone's big.

Yeah. But yeah. For whatever. Then one time I pulled up the treatment thing. I just pulled up. Yeah, treatment for RSV. The word? I typed in treatment for RSV for kids.

And then I'm just scrolling the images and figuring out like the machine. I'm like, hey, you look, here's treatment right here. Give it a hug. Because we're not walking outside. How long was she on that treatment for? Like a day or two. Oh, it wasn't that. The RSVs is like a big deal, right?

I guess it can be She had it a couple weeks ago She did for like two days maybe Saddest looking thing in the world Yeah I'll have a little thing I'm sure the loud noises Their eyes are all big Yeah

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Shout out Ryan. Shout out Ryan. Would you rather have your whole career with one team get into their ring of honor, but your team is kind of average, you never really make it to the playoffs. You just kind of middle of the road team or spend your career with multiple teams and win one championship. And your stats are the same for both stops or both situations. Super Bowl. That's tough.

Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, I think you got to taste A sweet nectar of a Super Bowl. How many teams? Three plus. But you only, you don't win a Super Bowl, obviously at every stop. You just get one.

Like, you win a Super Bowl, then like doing your honor to the next thing to do that better and then win the Super Bowl. I don't know, bro. It is harder than just saying Super Bowl because there is, playing for one team is dope.

Yeah, for sure. It's like, I'm asking myself, I think I'd stay with the, with the team. Ring of honor. One team too. Yeah. And not that I'm going to be a ring of honor guy with Nebraska,

but the example I'm using in my head is what I have the same career at Nebraska right now or do I hit the portal a time or two and I get one national title with somebody else. I think I'm saying. I think I'm going with the team. I'm switching my answer. I'm going with the staying with one team. Ring of honor. Same stat line you said?

Yeah. One squad. One heartbeat. One seven. Yeah, go big red. We die, we die. Dave Davis, sign with the Jags, three years. Shout out the boy, Gabe Davis.

Yeah, I wanted him for the Titans. Hopefully, they're supposed to be nice as past year. They're supposed to be Super Bowl contenders this past year. Yeah. What happened to them? Which one are you taken? Which one are you? I don't know, they're both great.

I spent my whole career with one team. So I'll go the opposite. Because I had never tasted that. So do you wish, say, we'll just say you're in the ring of honor. Like, you might get Ring of Honor, which is that's an argument. That's a real, that's a real debate. Yeah. So, yeah, your career, basically, you would rather have been, you would rather bounce around

on a few teams and won a Super Bowl. Say you win, say you went to the Buccaneers when Tom Brady was on the Buccaneers, and you guys won that year and took down the Chiefs, being a part of that team. I don't know, because I did love my career at the Titans. Yeah. And really everything Mitch said was my career, besides the Ring of Honor thing. You're on a team, you're in the playoffs. You might be a ring of honor.

Like, you had the career to be like, a ring of honor yet i'll keep the main thing the main thing i'll stay with the ring of honor i do think i think the ring of honor is one of the coolest things you can get obviously hall of fame is massive obviously super bowl's massive but being in the ring of honor on one team that forever your legacy just forever lives on yeah is the coolest thing but you're going to get ring of honor if you're a hall of fame yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i even have my jersey i've been retired in high school yours has i don't know my jersey's been retired you're putting the ring of honor maybe best are you talking about what were you ring of honor in high school

no what didn't you have something in high school high school high school hall of fame high school yeah first year i ain't got that first year it opened up is it your your high school or like the district my high school north county high school okay i think that too though uh christian wilkins four years 110 million with the raiders oh wow a lot of stuff happening Yeah, this is a lot of time. Apologies as being tomorrow for the week. Obviously, this is concurrent news. I know.

There's a lot going on. The next three days, it's really the most fun time of year. This is an awesome time of year. Damn. I know. I thought he was going to stay at the Miami for a while. Crazy.

Yeah, he is nasty. Might have to do it. His money's getting tossed around. Hey, you can see me, right? What happened? I'm just on. I'm just uncomfortable with my low back, man. I can't even like, I don't know.

I'm like, I keep trying to sit so far back to where I can get on that little, no homo, that little hard spot back there. I'm trying to like sit on the little hard spot. So that way I can keep it up versus if I'm like down in here, I feel like my spine like bends so much more. It just puts so much. That's scoliosis.

See, when I sit like this, I feel I'm way too high right now. Really? I feel like I'm looking down on you. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm bent. I'm being. All right, should we kick off to Charles Woodson? episode? Yeah, we should. We talked about it a little bit. Charles was an absolute legend.

Brings his whiskey and brings his wine and talks about the good old days, all that. I believe we talked about tuck rule a little bit, didn't we? No, we never hit the tuck rule. We never hit the tuck rule, which sucks, but we talk about him if he could play a snap right now, like how many plays or in college. He lied about his kids. We talk, we talk about all this stuff, how he almost left Green Bay, how he wanted to retire. Yeah. He kind of comes back in and then has like the career that he has. Yeah, he talks about some of the shortcomings he had at Michigan. Like, he could tell Charles, Charles Woodson was like, I'm the top G. Yeah.

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I appreciate that, man. You guys are shaping up to be best of all time, too. On the field? Like what you're doing? On the field, dude, do you really mean that? Because we tried again, I remember I was either, we were on Twitter going back and forth because you used a Nash one time. And I think we're trying to get you, but yeah, everything was way too tight.

But, man. Try to make it happen. But, yeah, the timing was off a little bit. But, you know, we did it. Finally got it done, man. We got to obviously jump into Michigan. Like, for how many years have we just been shitty? And now finally, we put it all together this year, man.

What did that mean to you as an alumni? Well, you know, what's crazy is that it wasn't that we were shitty. We just couldn't beat them guys. We couldn't beat Ohio State, man. Like, that's really what it was. Like, when you think about, you know, Jim when he came in, Jim was winning nine, ten games a year. But then we get to that last game,

and we could never get over that hump, you know. So when we think back to Michigan, and we see that we had a shitty year, you know what I mean? And so these last couple of years have just been, like, dude, I don't even know how to explain it. You know, it's just, it's not even that we won the game, is how we won the game. And with all the storylines saw it the year, too.

It's not just that game. It's the season. Right, right, right. The Penn State, the hardball getting suspended right before the Penn State game as they're traveling. He's getting told while they're on the tarmac. Literally. I was at that game because I was working with the big noon kickoff crew that weekend.

And we get there and they're like, yeah, I don't know if Jim's going to be able to coach today. We're like, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, you know, he was on a plane. He got the word that he might not be coaching. Like on the plane? Like literally on the plane to Happy Valley? You're talking about he can't play?

I mean, you can't coach. So, it's just a lot of different storylines, you know, this particular season with him putting people in place. Mike Hart was a coach, one game, head coach. And then Sharon Moore, who's got the job now. He was a coach for like three or four games. And those guys, you know, just looking at that situation in the face and just being like, it don't matter. It's such a massive, like, statement to the culture of Michigan. Because they had every excuse not to achieve the goal of winning a national championship.

Right. And, like, you obviously, you don't have to expand on this at all. But how pussy was it of the Big Ten to try to implement some sort of bullshit band-aid, hey, we're going to punish them, Tony Petiti, as they're flying to Penn State and doing all that. That's just, just a bad ball. There's no due process there. And so the thing I like about it personally is that, If there were all these allegations and they never took Harbaugh off the field,

then it would be like a true asterisk to a national championship. But because you put all the adversity on and off the field towards the Michigan players, right. Now it's like there's truly like it didn't matter what got in their way that they were winning a national championship. Yeah. And that was so big. It truly was a Michigan versus everybody. Yeah.

You know, the phrase that they coined. And also the other one was bet. You know, they had that. I forget after which game it was, but it was just to say, all right, you guys are going to put all of this on our plate. Bet, we'll handle it. And that's exactly what they did. And, you know, being in Happy Valley and, you know,

that being, you know, our toughest game to that point on the schedule. And then coming out in that second half, and I think they threw the ball one time. And then from there on, it was like just old school Michigan football for a whole half. Like, just take this, take this, take this. So, yeah, it was fun, man. The whole ride this year, man, I mean, you know, we were riding along with them guys, man, just on Cloud 9 every week.

And then when they capped it off, I was able to go to the semifinal Pasadena. I didn't make it to the championship game. But watching that championship game and the way they performed, the domination, you know, that, you know what? We go back because you talked about the culture. And that was important with this team because of all of the guys who said, I'm coming back. I'm coming back because we got unfinished business and then they actually did it. Like that was, that's pretty special, man.

So I'm happy for them guys, man. What's it like knowing that you guys brought, that Michigan, your guys' university brought a national title in 2023 and it's been since what, like the 1940s since you guys won a national title? 97, man. God, damn. I knew he did it on purpose.

I know what he did. I know. That was good. That was good. That was good. Okay. I see how it is. See how it is.

was going to be. I have to. Taylor and I obviously, we always go back and forth Michigan, Nebraska. I mean, you guys have been whooping our ass for a while. That's funny. I had to get that in because it's always like if I'm put up against Taylor, Dave Portnoy, we go back and forth. If I try

to throw Nebraska in, it's like, oh, 1997. Personally, I feel like as a player, you like being the coaches pole national championship more than the AP National Chamber. Well, man, You know, when you guys got up there and started crying, you know, after the season about, you know, our coaches leaving and, man, we deserve it. We're like, what the hell is going on right? You know what I mean?

So you guys begged your way into that little story. That was tough. They met the knee, too. But the coaches were just like, I guess we'll just give it to them then. Like, really? Come on. I mean, we, you know, Nebraska beat. And it's funny because Charles was like, he was a player.

He was on the Michigan team. Like, we're just sitting here like, oh, we, Nebraska. Yeah, yeah. You're eight. Yeah. Hey, but Nebraska beat Peyton Manning-led Tennessee. Oh, man, they did. They did.

Average over 40 a game. They did. Michigan average 20-something, however, their defense, you guys. We were pretty mad about that, too, because we go out to, you know, watching this thing. We're like, all right, you know, Tennessee, you know, give these boys a fight, you know what I'm saying? Because that's going to help our cause. They go down there and struggle. And Nebraska goes out there and slaps them boys.

It's like, shit. God damn. What's it like? Because you guys had, you guys play more. like top 10 teams that year. Like, oh, I'll say the Big 10, like, back in the 90s, like, you guys had more of those teams in the top 10. But, like, as a player, are you kind of hoping you get dealt?

Like, I don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection back then, but are you hoping you get, like, the higher matchup, or did you already kind of know you were going to play the Pac-12 championship? It was a pack-to-12 championship. So I think we were a year before the BCS. So if it was a year later, we would have had a chance to play. It would have been, it would have been Nebraska. We'd have a chance to play Nebraska.

But we just, I know. One year too early, man. So, yeah, we went out and played the winner to Pack 12, and they played, you know, Nebraska. So that's just the way it's the way it went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're doing all the big noon stuff, and it's essentially your job,

your obligation to be as unbiased as possible, but all this stuff is like going down. Yeah. How do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking, all right, Harbaugh's not on there, but you're on the sideline. I think there's a clip of you, and it might have been Desmond Howard as well,

like getting hyped up. Like, are you, like, trying your best not to get excited? No. Like, our producers and, you know, everyone who brought me in, you know, at Fox, they know that when it comes to Michigan, it is what it is.

Like, when I'm on the set, I'm rooting for Michigan. I'm on the sideline. I'm room for Michigan. I'm going to be biased as bias can get. So there's no secret. But when it comes down to, like, really talking about the game, like keys the game,

how Michigan is going to win on how state's going to win. I'll give the real, but as it, you know, in terms of where my loyalties lie, it ain't no secret. You enjoy covering college more than the NFL? Because I know you're doing NFL before you signed on with,

with Foxx. No, NFL is where it's at. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I love the NFL, man. In college, it's too many damn teams in college. There are a lot of teams.

I feel like you, like, I enjoy the school spirit of college because you just know you're pulling for your team no matter what versus the NFL, like playing on a few different teams. It's like, it's more of like a player driven. Like I'm kind of rude for guys and players. And yeah, I like to see the Raiders, the Titans, Washington do well.

But like that, the connection with your, with your school spirit in college. Yeah, it ain't nothing like it. And, you know, I get asked that question like, you know, why do you feel the way you feel about Michigan? And, you know, why you love them so much? And I answer this question not too long ago. And I think it's like, for me, it was the first place I was track. to get to. You know what I'm saying? Being a high school athlete and, you know, you're getting all of these letters and, you know, you're working towards, you know, trying to do something

bigger than playing in high school. Like, Michigan was like, I'm trying to get there. You know what I mean? And it was a dream come true to, you know, sign there and go to Michigan. And so, you know, that love of, you know, trying to get to a destination and reaching it, you know, was a big deal. So, know, that's why it runs deep. Yeah. You had a really good interview on the pivot, and I'm trying to recall, can you tell this story about there was a game where coach held you out, and you're like, I'm not going to go in and say sorry, and then your mom's like, hey, if you're not going to apologize

yourself, do it for me. Yeah. Can you retell that story? Yeah, it was just crazy because my, you know, we had played, I think, who we played, I forget who the game we played before Ohio State, but anyway, I had. my back locked up for whatever reason and I talked to the trainer. I'm like, hey man, my back is locked up. I don't know why I can barely move. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. You don't have to practice today. And so I was like, great. But when I walk out to practice, I don't have any Michigan

issue stuff on. I just got my school stuff on and coach car is like, what are you doing? I'm like, what? He's like, where's your uniform? I'm like, oh man, I talked to Schmidt. Smitty, said I didn't had to practice today. It was like, I don't get in there and put something on then. So I go in, I put some other stuff on, but I keep my white shoes on that I'm hoarding school. What do you got on your feet? I'm like, what, man?

Get in there and put your shoes up. Did you know what you was doing when you went back in? Like, are you feeling like, oh, coach is trying me a little bit? A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. But then, this was 96. Ninety-six.

So a week before Ohio State game. And so I came back out and then I'm on the sideline and talking with some of the of the fellas and coach he singles me. Hey, Charles, come here. Go over there to the offense. Hey, you need to pay attention. I'm like, coach, I'm paying attention. Like, what's going on, man? Well, if you're going to be on the sideline, you're not practicing, you need to pay attention. I'm like, all right, so I walk on the sideline. A few periods go by. He calls me back over there. Watson, get over here. I'm like, damn, what is going on today, man? Go over there. Hey, if you're not going to pay attention, you can just leave. I was like, all right. I'm out.

So I left. I went back to the dorm. And a little time passed day or two. I don't know. I can't remember the timeline of that. But I get called down by my position coach, Van Belford. He's like, hey, listen, coach wants to talk to you. When you go down there, just go ahead and apologize. And then he's going to let you play this week.

And I was like, coach, no, I'm not apologizing. He's like, listen to me, just apologize. So I go down there, me and coach talk a little while. And he's like, ah, you know, do you think you justify yourself by walking out of practice? I was like, yeah, man, because I don't feel like you got to make an example out of me and this whole thing. He was like, all right, well, you ain't playing this week. I was like, all right, I got up and walked out.

Went down there to back to Coach Bedford's room, and he was like, all right, what do he say? I said, I'm not playing this week. He said, boy, I told you don't go down there and say nothing but just apologize. Hold on a minute. He gets on the phone. My mom answers. Ms. Woodson, I told this boy, don't go down there and say nothing. He told your mom.

That's what he did. He called my mom. man and my mom gets on the phone what's going on I'm like I'm not playing this week she's like why I was like man you know me and coach got into it and this or that and coach wasn't me to apologize mine I ain't apologizing she was like okay well well we'll just do this if you're not going to apologize for yourself apologize for me and I was like yeah are you kidding me she broke me so you went in there did it so I man I had to be You're talking about bend the knee.

I had to bend the knee, man. Mom's, and so I went down there, and I was like, coach, man, you know, it's my bad, man. You know, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have walked out of practice. And that's all he wanted. He was like, all right, you're playing this week. Charles leaves you. Just walking in the hall, too, the office, he got hit the door like that.

You should have, you should have saw how slow I walked down there to his office, too. I bet. I bet. I was, I was fuming, yo. You brought up Schmitty. who is just in Michigan, like, the head trainer for the longest time. He's the guy that, like, you get an x-ray.

He's like, Schmitty, what the X-ray say? X-rays don't talk, friend. Yeah, he's trying to keep walking. Yeah, smart, Alex. Smitty and then Big John. Big John. Do you have any Big John stories? Because I'll preface one real quick.

So obviously, I was in the dark ages of Michigan with Rich Rodriguez and Brady. No disrespect to them. It was just that time that the alum would come by and say, hey, you all suck. And that's just what it is. It's tough always having the guys in the 90s. I know.

too where guys by hey you guys aren't well we had uh when we were at the high state game this year some guys came up and we were talking like hey what years were you there again i was like oh nine and 13 like oh yeah that's that's a tough time but when rich rodriguez i'll bring in that uh when rich rodriguez first got the job there's a story that big john would go and at like five in the morning and get on the elliptical in the weight room butt naked nothing and he was like a sloppy body cat yeah and he was just on the elliptical sweat and dripping everywhere all over the place.

And he was just, in the most fun way that he had crude, like over the top, like kind of just a horny old guy. But he was like, this is this is a horrible hour of a lot, dude.

That being said. Yeah. I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't have the stories. Like some of my teammates

have more in-depth stories of Johnny, but Johnny was, Big John was kind of like, uh, like family guy. You know what I'm saying? Like just inappropriately funny guy.

You know what I'm saying? You always got one on the squad. They'd be like, for everybody to watch it, the most innocent, fun way possible. We're not trying to soil. Johnny. What? He did, he said what?

He did what? Right. You know, so yeah, he was, he was that guy, man. But he was a great guy, but yeah, it was a lot. A lot of stories, a lot of stories, a lot of stories I can't, I can't tell. Yeah. Yeah. What, dude, what was it like?

I know you've probably been asked this so much, but what was it like winning the Heisman over paid Manning? I mean, and two, it's like, it's Peyton Manning. You know, quarterbacks, who, it was also Ryan Leaf that year. Randy Moss, Ryan. Randy Moss, but the quarterback, Peyton Manning, he's got the complexion for the protection. And you end up winning the Heisman, like being a two-way player.

What was that like when you won that? Yeah, it was crazy is that we got three first ballot Hall of Famers on there, me, Peyton, and Randy. And then at the time, you know, yeah, you got Ryan Leaf there, who everybody thought, man, shit, he's going to be the guy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. With him and Payton coming out, a lot of people had Ryan Leif ahead of him.

But the thing about it is that, you know, I thought throughout the season, I thought I played myself into a position where people recognize who I was as a player. And I thought I was the best player, but I didn't think I was going to win the Hizman. Like, there was no way, you know, I was going to win the Hysman over Payton, man. It just wasn't going to have it. You know, the whole season coming in, I think he had came back for his senior year. Right. So, you know, that was, that was really all of the talk.

Unfinished business year. Hey, man, he came back for his, you know, his senior year. Like, wow, what he's doing for the university. He's coming back for his guys and he's coming back to win the Heism Trophy. Like, that was a foregone conclusion. And so, you know, season carried on. And what was great is watching the 30 for 30 that they just had that came out. and because a lot of stuff you don't remember

but they had that that little ranking each week of who was ahead like you had Peyton and then it was a shit it was a running back I saw maybe it was Tabian Banks or some of Tavian Banks and then like I was down here on the bottom and then I might move up and then Peyton may move down and then this guy may move up

so it was really interesting how it kind of played out throughout the year and then when Michigan State happened and the one-hand catch happened then I kind of stayed steady in a certain place. And then Penn State happened. Playing both ways. Caught a touchdown pass that game. I'm playing against Juryvicious.

And I remember they asked me before that game, you know, did I think before or after, did I think I was the best player in the country? I was like, yeah, I'm the best player in the country. But still not thinking they're going to, you know, I'm not winning. Right, like put you over like a pageant. Yeah, not going to happen.

Because it's such a like a focused position driving numbers, There's like, your range is deeper. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game, you know. And so, and then Ohio State happens. And then here comes, you know, the ceremony. And it's like, I'm there in New York. I have a good time hanging out with Randy, hanging out with all the guys.

And just this is a cool experience. And then, you know, Rudy, Rudy, risky, I believe it was, opens an envelope. And he's like, from Michigan. Oh, man. It was like, my whole body just went limp. And if you watch it, you. you see Randy on the side, he's like, get up. So he nudged me.

I'm like, damn. I just wouldn't. What was the highest you got on the list like throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling? Like maybe there's a dark. No, I think I got up. I think I got up to one, I believe. And but it kind of, it just rotated. So it was one and two.

Right. Maybe three than two than one. So it was kind of cool, you know, to see some of the footage. Because like I said, a lot of that stuff, man, it's a long time. ago for me. But a lot of stuff you don't, you don't remember. Interviews that you did, you know, certain things. Other people said. So yeah, man, it was cool to relive that. We don't have this episode to bring you Verizon. You already know that Verizon is the network America relies on, but did you know that you can get a network you want for your phone and your home? Get Verizon for both mobile and

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Yeah, I didn't have nothing. Yeah. I had nothing. Thank you. Family. Yeah. You're like, yo, this is insane. Like, probably without the footage, he probably doesn't you remember, like, giving a speech.

Well, I remember, you know, getting up and, of course, you know, thinking my mom. And then I know I probably did. I made some reference to somebody else who I thought should have won it, but didn't win it. And then finally they got it right or something. Something crazy like that, but I didn't have a speech.

So I was like, like I said, I'm here to just enjoy this moment. You didn't write nothing down. No. It is kind of a bad look. Not a bad look, but when they pull up the crinkle piece of paper and they kind of put it five times.

I don't like to do that just as a general rule. I don't like to read from anything. If I'm talking, I just like to talk. But yeah, I went there, man. I'm just, nothing.

Man. So you, when you think about like the college football landscape now, all the NIL stuff, how would, you had to be going crazy.

You'd have been, I mean, you've been a seven-figure cat. I got, I got one year left. Oh, you're trying to get after. I got one year.

Yeah, just going to ride the bench, but I'd make seven figures. I'm just saying. How many plays you think you give to a college game? In college? Right, right now.

If you played college. I'll run that shit right now. You think so? You don't think you'd be blowing a hammy out there. No. Hey, listen, I don't know if anybody told you got a little salt in that beer. Hey, a little bit. A little bit.

I believe in Charles. Yeah. I still run around a little bit. I still get after. Yeah. I give him some work out there, straight up. In college? You playing corner?

Oh, yeah. I could play anything. Anything. He'd be like Travis Hunter. Colorado. I'd be like him, yeah. He truly plays both the ways. I think that is insane.

He has that. He has that gas thing. That's crazy. I tell people like, I, like, dibbled and dabbled on offense. I didn't play a whole lot of offense. It just seems like it.

He plays office and defense, like literally. That's great. Yeah, that's cool. When you, like, don't come off the field. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

Where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense? Oh, man. I think receiver. I think he's nasty. at receiver. I mean, he's a good corner. That'll get me wrong, but I see his offensive skills, man. I think his offensive

skills dominate over his defensive skills. What's interesting, too, is like your story back when you were, you know, with your mom and coach and, like, not playing, like situations like that, I feel like these days, like, you could just, if you're upset, you could just bounce. Eat quick. Yeah.

Yeah. And not have any repercussions. Like, it used to be where if you went to another D1 school, you had to sit out a whole year. And so, Now it's like, what coach? Oh, I don't worry about I won't be here tomorrow. You can just leave. Do you think like when you were a freshman at Michigan,

that like was there any time of time if there was an opportunity to go on the transfer portal that you might not have thought about. Well, that time we talked about with Coach Carr. So when I went back to my dorm room, it was funny because we had a couple of guys who visited the University of Miami. Were you in West Quad?

I was in West Quad. Yeah. And so after practice, a couple of guys, my boys, man, what happened? I was like, man, I don't know, man. Coats tripping, man. I said, man, I'm out of here, man. It was like, what?

I said, man, I'm going to Miami, man. I'm transferring out here. I don't want to be here. Man, we're going too. Man, let's do it. A serious. So we had like a little mutiny going on for like 24 hours. Yeah, a little crew that was only a year.

You know what I'm saying? This man's all the University of Michigan. Yeah. I'm like, man, I'm leaving. But I think that's probably how it happens, you know, with a lot of guys, you know, you have an altercation with a coach, and you go back to the room, and there's nobody to talk you down from that ledge, and you're like, show him out. I don't got, I don't got to deal with this. And nowadays, it's easier than ever to say, I don't want to deal with it.

Yeah. It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability in a locker room that's so important in football. Yeah. And that's what, that's what's hard what Michigan did with, and the reason why I feel like they won and were so dominant is because they really had grown men out there. You know what I'm saying? We got a bunch of junior, seniors, guys who came back. And so if you look at what, you know, Ohio State is doing right now, they're trying to, you know, buy all these players, trying to get all this quick fix. It's hard to build it that way.

You know what I'm saying? If you're trying to do that every year. Like, you've got to have, you know, kind of a nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can build a program with. So it's going to get harder and harder, you know, for coaches to kind of maintain that because there used to be truly like a,

a loyalty to school. Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you can get, you know, trying to get the most out of it for yourself. So it's going to be hard for coaches. Because that's such an interesting thing is like having loyalty to yourself and your school, even when you play, when we play, like that was still there.

Like you still wanted to benefit yourself playing well and the team do well as, you know, at the same time. But now it's like, it's Wild West. Yeah, yeah. And with Ohio State, the way they're setting up this year, they're spending so much money in NIL, bringing these guys in there, if they don't, essentially if they don't win the national championship,

it's over. Right. Yeah. Like it's over. So that's definitely the type of pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right, I got the best guy from here, the best guy from here, best guy from here. And then you get them all together and it doesn't work. It's like, you know, people start looking at you real crazy.

Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna know, if you got more on college, I was gonna start to dabble in the NFL world. I got a couple more things on college. Just this year, Sharon Moore, obviously. Like, I'm a massive Sharon Moore fan. I think he deserved that job that made the right. Smash.

Yeah, he is. He's the dude for the university. But he lost a lot of players, like 18 dudes. He's probably going to get drafted. In coaching staff. Ankeye, lost the D.C., lost the string coach. Which I think is, like, the most devastating loss. Like, Herb, we had the opportunity to go there and meet and talk with him.

He was kind of going. Strengthened conditioning? Yeah. Oh, man. That's my God, man. Yeah. How he evaluates hips, knees, everything. and the grading scale they put everybody on.

Like, you walk away from that, been like, damn, I wish. I had this day when I was playing. Because it was like a guy like, this is a dude you have for all of college and then in the off season, you're back in Ann Arbor. Like trying to get whatever you can with him.

I took my son up to a little two-day camp they had up there and he just had a, you know, certain easy way that he does pull-ups. Shit, I went back home and I was doing him that way. You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of guy he was, man. I was a couple little tricks. Yeah. What's like, like, like, most reasonable expectation

for the University of Michigan in 20-24 season. I think it's going to be tough. You know, looking at the schedule, I was looking at the other day. We got Texas coming in, second game. We have a tough schedule. Washington, USC, UCLA, 2010 state, Ohio State.

I think we got Oregon, too. Yeah. And, you know, you just look at at Texas, they have their guy, their quarterback's coming back. You know what I mean? So they have, you know, what we have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves.

You got a Texas team that just, was in the playoffs as well. They're still building on that and still have a lot of things in place and then they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll be tough sledding for him just because he's rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing,

I don't think anything hurts him more than losing staff, losing guys that were in there in place, losing being the strength and conditioning coach. You lose your defensive coordinator. You know, he's gone. A few other guys have left as well. I think Jim's

Is it Jim's son? That's on the staff that he just left? Jim Harbaugh? I don't know. I'm not even sure. You would assume he's taking a couple offensive guys. Yeah. So a lot of guys left, man.

So I don't know. It'd be interesting, but it's going to be a tough sled. The Ann Arbor, best place to go week, college kid. I got the place in my head right now, but I don't want to start. Well, I mean, with NIL?

No, no, no, no. We're talking. We're talking to get those little chits. Like those little coupons that are like two free meals. For me, for me, it was cottage in. Cottagen did hit. Yeah, cottage. Cottagen, I don't think we.

It's a little pizza spot. Did you guys get the little pieces of paper, the chits? Yeah, like 15 bucks on ours. Yeah. See, ours was you got like two medium pizzas and like a soda or something like that. You go smack one of those things. Barbecue pizza is nice. Yeah, we are.

This podcast is Mr. Spots. Mr. Spots? Yeah, like Mr. Spots. But me, but me, I was, it was pizza for me, man. Yeah. And cottage in, they had the best pizza. And I always felt like cottage in was out of all the places that we could get. So, you know, he had Mr. Spies.

You had cottage in. And we only had like four different places you can go from. Like, that one to me was like the most. Like, I felt like I was really doing something if I went into college, cottage in and got something. You know what I'm saying? You're in the actual restaurant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like, yeah, yeah, you know, I felt like I was doing something. You know what I mean? So cottage in was that deal. Last college was a room and go to the NFL. Top five players, University of Michigan history. But not, like, obviously, like, the argument here would be Tom Brady. Like, would Tom Brady be a top five Michigan football player industry? Right, not in the Michigan, right, right, right.

We'll put you in there. So you don't have to do it yourself. Oh, I got to put myself in there. Yeah. What, well, could I put myself in on offense and defense and I can be in a... You can do that. You take two of them? That's G-1. I like that.

Man, that's pretty tough. I'm going to say Desmond. I'd have to go Anthony Carter. That's tough. Just get my man Hutch in there, Steve Hutchison. Can I sneak you with one maybe? Jake Long. Okay, so I've got two receivers in right now,

so I've already broken up with that mode, and I got two. So that would be two offensive tackles. Oh, no, The Guard, but also Blake Coram. Yeah, because you got some recent guys in there. Let's put Blake in there. Let's put Blake in there.

For what he did these last couple of seasons, and he's rocking the deuce out there too. Let's do that. So that's five, right? That's five. That's five. Okay. That was a tough question.

Help me out. Was Blake's stats overall better than Hart? Oh, yes. I just remember being young and hard. I don't know. I think touchdown wise for sure, I think, because he got a bunch of touchdowns. He has most touchdowns by any Michigan player.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, like, I think he blew it out. Oh, I didn't think he beat about one or two. Yeah. But did it with only, like, three years starting. Yeah. So, opposed to, was it Anthony? Anthony Thomas.

Yeah, he was at, like, 55, four-year starter. And he got, like, 57 or 56. My cart had 5,000 three-reth-year-rest. My card did? It was real. The Nard had four-four. What did the core on that? Yeah.

Fees number seven, 3,700. All right. Yeah, but the thing is, is even though you have all the yards and stuff, it's still about impact too. Yeah. Like his impact on the team is one of those things that, you know, it might not be top five in rushing or whatever, but his impact on coming back, you know what I'm saying,

and then his impact, just his presence on the field, man. So like my man, Bert. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even, I mean, you had such an incredible NFL career as well. It's kind of like hard to focus on something or start somewhere. But I am curious, like, you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time. And then you had that Sten in Green Bay where you played a lot of good ball. And then you come back to Oakland. Like when you were in,

hit free agency, like you were somebody who were, you were franchise tagged, right? Yep. So like, was there, when you left Oakland the first time, was there like bitterness with the organization when going to Green Bay? Like, because you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such a great player for them. when they kind of like let you go elsewhere, was there like any resentment? Was there any bitterness of the business per se? Yeah, kind of,

because I never thought that I would leave Oakland. And the bitterness was more so with, you know, like the GM at the time. So not necessarily just Raiders, it was just the GM, you know? And I think at that time, you know, they, you know, told my ages or something that there was, you know, no value to bringing me back to the Raiders and that was coming from that side.

And so it was like, you know what saying? What are you talking about? So yeah, it was a little bit bitterness in that regard. But I was also, like I said, I didn't think I would leave there. But then it was, I got franchise tag so I was free. So I could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know,

I was going to have my picket or litter, you know, anywhere I wanted to go. you know, I was going to be able to go. And it, man, it was dry as this Sahara out there. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it was kind of crazy. And so, you know, I went in thinking one thing.

And then my experience wasn't all that great, you know. And so through the process, Green Bay began to call my agents and, you know, wanted to bring me in. And, you know, I was reluctant. I was like, nah, I'm not going to Green Bay. So there was really no reason for me to visit there. And so called again. And when everything was really, like, quiet from everyone else, you know, I had my agent reaching out to other people and nobody was biting.

So I was like, all right, well, let me go to Green Bay because we got at least try to draw some interest from. I'll go there and maybe somebody else will be like, all right, well, some other people are checking for them. Man, it was crazy, yo. But if Green Bay didn't want me, I really don't know. where I would have played in 2006. Really? Yeah, really. Why do you think it was so dry, like at the pre-agency market?

You know, there was a lot of things out there. One, I did come off of injury. I broke my leg in 2005, so I missed the final 10 games of the season. And then people talked about my attitude and talked about, you know, just a lot of different things. And so, and I think some of that came from the radar, side as well, just, you know, putting some stuff out there. Like that one conversation.

You know? Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right, right. Because Mike McCarthy asked when I first met with Mike, because it was his first, I think it was his first year, it was my first year. He asked me about it in our meeting. He was like, oh, what is this about you, you know, being a bad, bad team guy, bad locker room guy. And I was like, what? Like, man, you can't talk to any players I play with that say I'm a bad locker room guy. So I don't know what that's coming from. So there was some things being, you know, put out there that muddied the water. And so, yeah, it was just, it was a little tough, tough period, man, to kind of go through as a guy who I had done everything, you know, so I'm like, damn, that's how they, that's how they really feel. Yeah. Did you,

did you have any moments that you felt like they were defining you by that you might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders that allowed them to say, what's this about you being a bad team guy? Oh, yeah, I mean, I had some asshole in me. I ain't going to say that. Yeah. But in terms of, you know, player and, you know, guys in the locker room, nah, it wouldn't have been from that. But, yeah, I mean, I have my, I have my issues with coaches at times.

You know, I like to hang out and do my thing, you know what I'm saying, outside of playing football. So, you know, maybe that could have had something to do with it. Who knows? But in terms of being able to play the game and, you know, just overall, you know, good dude, I'm a good dude, you know what I'm saying? Can you speak to, like, your development in the film room? Because obviously, like, you're a guy, you were an All-American coming out,

Heisman trophy winner, top five pick. Like, you have all the accolades, right? Like, it's like, oh, he's just so talented. He's super talented. But I was fortunate enough to play with Will Blackman, for a couple years. And when Will and I, we would have our sushi nights and stuff. But he would talk about you as somebody who was always like last in the building.

And he would learn a lot of his study habits from you. You feel like you had those throughout your entire career. You developed them as you got older because he always said the best things about you. And I feel like something like that, like being a student of the game, kind of gets slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades in the world. Yeah, I think it compounds over time because you do start out, you know, like myself. I was a great athlete, so a lot of stuff's going to come easy, you know, so you don't necessarily have to spend as much time looking at certain things. But the one thing that I, I've always had as a

player was I've had great play recall. You know what I mean? So when you're out there on the field and you see certain things, you start to pick up on tendencies. Like, I always had that without necessarily having to look at film. And so then, you know, as your career goes on, you take different methods from different coaches. Like Vance Bepford, like I remember, you know, just going back to a certain play. We played Northwestern my junior year, and it was a third and long situation. And me and him had went over what they liked to do in that situation, and they ran out, and I picked that out off.

So different things you pick up from different coaches. Chuck Begano was another guy who worked on me on third down as well. You know, being around him, I learned a lot on third down, tendencies. you know, that being money down. And so over time, then you start developing your own style of how you like to see things. And so for me, like I said, I always had, you know, good play recall. What I would start to do in my studies, I would start to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard line all the way to the one yard line, but in the same personnel.

So I wanted to see you from the one to the one. same person I want to see it in all parts of the field because you'll run certain things from first to five, first to 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 40 to 20 to 20 to 20 to you know what I'm saying? And a lot of it mirrors what you do from here to here. You know what I mean? So like you take a wheel, for example, you know, I would have my film broken up certain ways

and then I would tell those guys, this is how I would like to look at the film. And so we would, you know, when we'd have our times together in our film when we would look at the film, and then we start going over these things. And when I would see something that would kind of, they may get to it a different way, but it's the same thing. I would go back to it. All right, now watch this. Watch how this team lines up on his playing and runs it.

Now watch them, motion to it and run it. But it's the same thing. So I was always taught it's not how you line up. It's how you wind up. So those are the things that I was able to pass along to those guys. And for me, it just over time, it was, I got gradually even better at it. You know what I mean? You found like another way to prepare and be like, okay.

Add it to your game. That fires me up as a defensive guy. That's, that's football porn right there. It seems like you had a good way of simplifying things. Exactly. Emotions and stuff like that. Like this is the same thing, just a little extra dressing on it. Yep.

Like to go back to like the, you know, tough locker room guy or these being put into a box of a category of your character. For Charles Woodson, how when you're hearing these things from different coaches from different GMs, like how did you, is that like motivation for you? Like, I'll prove you wrong and this is why. Or how do you handle those types of things when someone might be putting you in a corner and saying you're like this when you truly don't feel you're like that? Actually, I was kind of, I was hurt, man.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that kind of hurt, you know, because I'd never throughout my whole life had never been in a position where people doubted me. You know what I'm saying? Never. And so that was a period where it was like there was some doubt cast over me as a as a football player. Now, you may not like me as a person or whatever that is, but like on the football field, like to have somebody say, man, he can't do that anymore. He's always hurt.

He's injury prone. He's dad and that's like, damn. Like that kind of broke me down a little bit. And so when I first got to Green Bay, you know, there was just a period in there where I was like, I don't even want to play football anymore. You know what I'm saying? At Green Bay? Yeah, when I first got there and I first signed,

you know, I called a few people who are close to me, and I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to hang it up. And it was my agent at the time, Kevin Posting. He said, hey, man, he said, you signed the contract, right? I was like, yeah, I signed the contract. He was like, well, that's like giving your word. And I was like, yeah? He was like, you at least need to play one year.

You know what I'm saying? Because you've signed the contract, you gave me your word. At least need to play one year. And so I was like, yeah, you know what? That makes sense. That makes sense. So, you know, I got through that little period. And then, you know, things just kind of just started to take off and slow down in Green Bay

where I was like, all right, I'm back. You guys had a good team, too. It looked fun. Like everybody talked about your. schematics defensively. Why am I forget his name, coordinator? Well, that was later, you're talking about Dom Capers. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was later on when I first got there was another guy. But in terms of having fun, we had a great group, especially secondary-wise. Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tremine Williams had just come in, some other young guys, Atari, Big Beach. So, like, our secondary, you know, then Young Will comes in. We had just some young, good guys on that secondary man. And it was great because, you know, when you talk about Will, I have some young guys that kind of looked up to me. And so, you know, kind of watching what I did

and talk about the film study and all those sorts of things. So then it really became fun because then it was almost like a responsibility. How am I going to help these guys, you know, get to the next level? Yeah. And it was really about going out there and showing them for the most part. But then just those little things like, you know, finding your own way to watch the film that makes it easier for you. Right. And then you grow from there.

When did you find that transition of like when you first seen the league and you get in a lock and a bunch of NFL players, like, oh shit, that's the so-and-so. Oh, that's this guy. And then eventually it flips where people are coming in and they're a fan of you now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're wrong. You're the dude that people are like, yo, let me watch film with you. And like, where, where do you think that switch turned for you in your NFL career where it was like, okay, I'm now the guy that's supposed to be leading, not following. Following for lack of a better word, because you're always going to do you when you're young. It's just like you're looking up to these guys.

Now guys are looking up to you. It probably started around six years in because that's when, so when I first came in, like, Tim Brown, Tim Brown's in the locker room. You know what I'm saying? Napoleon Kaufman, who I watched in college, and then he was with the Raiders. Who else did we have, man? Dude, I just saw him to, I think of it a minute, but in a minute, but Russell Maryland, Pat Swilling.

It was crazy, you know what I'm saying? Because when you're young, you don't think you'll catch those guys. Because it seems like, it seems like it's far away. And then Jerry Rice came in. Like, holy shit, these dudes are in the same locker room, you know? And so then around C. six years in, then those guys are gone. Tim's gone.

Jerry's, he's gone now. So now those older guys are kind of peeling off. And so now you're starting to be one of the older guys. And so then it kind of becomes, oh man, you know, I used to watch you. Then as you get older, you get the Green Bay. Oh, man, I used to watch you. And then all of a sudden, your grandpa, he's like, damn. How did this happen?

A rookie comes in there like, you all I used to watch you in high school. Yeah. Yeah. High school? Right, right. I really have been in the week for a while. Maybe I kind of am him.

No doubt. Who were some of the best leaders you've been around? And maybe they weren't the biggest names either. But who were some of the best leaders that you've been around? Like Tim Brown. It was a great leader. I thought that one of my favorite guys who was with the Raiders when I first got there was Eric K.

Turner, you know, who, who passed away, maybe like my, maybe like second or third year in the NFL. Eric Allen, you know, tremendous guys. Like, I feel like when I came in, we had, we had like, like, real, real veterans of the game. You know what I'm saying? You know, guys who, you know, had been through a lot and just, you know, they respected the game. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had respect for the people who came before them.

Like, I played with those kind of guys, man. And so I would say those are the guys who, you know, come off at the top of my mind when I first got in. You had two boys, right? I got two boys, yeah. Two boys. How has it been with them starting to play sports? And you kind of like, hey, the expectation is not to win a Heisman and the defensive player of the year, first round pick. Like, how do you temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to you as a father?

I want to be like you and succeed you essentially. Yeah, it's funny because I have the conversation with them. And it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know, I can tell my oldest, you know, hey man, you know, look, you got all the talent in the world. You know, you'll be compared. We got the same name, you know, but you can't worry about that. You know, you just got to go do your thing. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen.

He's like, okay, yeah, dad, appreciate it. I tell my youngest son, hey, man, you know, you don't got to, you don't have a, you don't got to be this or that. Dad, I'm going to be in a Hall of Fame with you, so whatever. How do you feel when he says that? I'm like, cool. You know what I'm saying? You got to speak it first, you know what I mean?

Are you like, hey, you guys are going to go to Michigan? Kind of unofficially, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if they're highly recruited, man, are you going to be, hey. Oh, dude. Well, you know, I do tell those guys, man, listen, I want you to be able to make your own decision, wherever you know when it comes to that point but there's just one place you can't go yeah you know

what I'm saying oh wow state come on man can't go hypothetical for whatever reason your kids are playing they're playing ball they're getting offers but they're like small d1 offers you're getting some max you're getting some some some app state type of D1s but there was one big team that comes in and happens to be Ohio state yeah yeah here's my question though why would you ask you ask that question. I'm a disruptor. Yeah, Ohio State's more taking a shot. Yeah, okay.

Full ride? Oh, yeah. What we talk about? You know it's all full ride. Hey, hey, NIL? Oh, yeah. I might have to. You look there put this girl in gray on?

Hey, NIL, full right. Nobody else is calling. I might have to think about it. That would be so tough. You're going to walk in that stadium. You know, it's so tough for him, wearing red. I'm going to.

He scored touchdown against Michigan. He's like, hell yeah. Hey, I'm going to watch from the blimp. Yeah, you have to watch him home. Oh, something. That's funny. That's a good question. That'd be a hard situation. Yeah, that'd be tough. Were you in Green Bay with Farr v.

N. Rogers? Yeah, I first got there if Farr was there. What was that drama like? You know, everybody got to see, you know, Farv retires. He comes back. You know, they'd never, you know, they wouldn't see eye to eye. There's obviously been a lot of public conversation

and, like, transparency or subjective opinion. around it, like, what was it like or being kind of like in that drama? Or around it. Well, I think for, I think the guys on the defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because it's more, you know, he's in the, you know, Brett and A-Ride, they're in the meetings together all the time. They're always on the offensive side. So we really didn't get into that portion of it.

The most interaction, like for myself where A-Ride is, A-Ride was on the practice squad. And so he would always go against our defense. So that was really all I really paid attention to was that part of it. Now, I remember that, you know, there was talks of, you know, Brett saying he doesn't really need to help, you know, the guy that they just drafted basically to replace him. Right. But I never really laid eyes on, like, visible tension between them

because I wasn't paying attention to it. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it. It wasn't anything that I really could comment on because I wasn't in the middle of it. I didn't care, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, I'm trying to win the Super Bowl.

And usually it's a coach, it's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over here in 12. And you're just thinking, like, yeah, he does a good job, practice squad. But we should be there picking his ball off right now. And we knew it, man. We knew it right away, like when Brett was kind of in or out, you know, coming back or not coming back. And we would play, you know, against A-Rod. in those practices and it was like, oh, yeah, when Brett leaves, we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.

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like how difficult was it for you to like, did you feel completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career or was there a point when you first left or you're like you're lacking fulfillment, the competitive nature that first fall, not playing ball. How did you handle that situation? No, well, two great things. One, I won a Super Bowl.

So I think had I retired and not won a Super Bowl, then I would always think about, man, what if, what if, you know, would have coulda shit a and that sort of thing right now that hurts sitting on this side of the couch yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so no yeah so uh i got that um and then when i retired you know i didn't i really didn't know what what i was going to do after i retired but what happened was you know you get these these uh these articles that they they write up about current players who are retiring who may be good on television And so after I retired, I went right into television, right?

I started working for ESPN. So I really didn't have a time to really, like, be retired and be scared about that whole transition because I really went right into something. So I would say I'm very fortunate that that happened because I didn't have to sit around like looking back at, oh, man, I don't have anything to do, you know, football's gone, you know. So I was blessed to have that happen. And then third, I would say, I play 18 years. And so, you know what I'm crazy, man.

You know what I'm saying? I like that answer just turned my question to do a dumbass question. Yeah. I play it. I play 18 years. And so I feel like the thing for me that I always think about is that I remember the morning where I knew I was done playing. And it was against Detroit.

We were in Detroit. And I remember looking out the window and it was snowing. and Detroit's in the dome so it don't matter. But I remember looking out and saying, man, if they canceled the game today, I would be okay. And as soon as I said that to myself, I was like, it's over. And so that morning, that day, I mentally, I retired. So I always say that I actually had, that was like the 10th game of the season. I actually had six more games where I was able to play after I retired.

So I fulfilled myself as a player, and then I got to come out of retirement and play again for six more games. So, dude, I, my journey has been, I wouldn't trade it. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't trade it. And when you were talking about, hey, I'm going to wrap, I'm going to be done my career. What year was that? 2015. So that's, I mean, imagine walking away from the game when you were with the Packers.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been, yeah, eight years. years. I would play eight years and I wouldn't be on bussing with the boys. Bro, yeah. Hey, you guys would be on him. You'd be like, remember that one guy he wasn't the highest man. What was his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What got you transitioned into being

an entrepreneur with the wine and the whiskey? Yeah, so I got into the wine early, man. When I was with the Our training camp was in Napa Valley. And so, you know, each year training camp I was out and about, you know, great restaurants all over the valley. And everyone was drinking wine, like, all the time, like morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine. So I just got really interested in it and created my first label in 2005. And then around 2017-18, Intercept was born.

So first I was coming out of Napa Valley. Now it's in Paso Roebbels. And then I kind of always wanted a spirit to be a part of, you know, just my experience. And so a few years back, I met a partner of mine now. And we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky. And that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if I don't go to the Raiders, I'm probably not into wine. and probably not into whiskey.

So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity. I don't know why I saw it, but I saw it. And then, bam, here we go. Will, uh, meant to ask. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, can he? We got any, you got any cups? We got something around you.

You got to have something. You got to have some. Can you talk about your relationship with, uh, with Mark Davis? Yeah, great, great relationship with Mark, man. Are you Raiders over Michigan? I'm, I'm a Raider fan, man. I'm not Raiders over. I can't do Raiders over Michigan.

Right, right, right. You know. I mean, you're like one of the, you're obviously an ambassador, but yeah, you're always in the mix with the silver. Always in the mix, man. And, you know, it's just all about, you know, a respect thing.

You know, Mark respected the way that I played the game. I think he appreciated it, you know, when I came back the second time around. And, you know, he had taken over and just, you know, playing on some teams that we didn't have a lot. but just watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes banged up, fingers messed up, ribs, and all it.

He was like, man, you showed the guys what it was like, you know, to be a Raider. So, yeah. That's awesome. Raiders do a fantastic job. I mean, I only played a total of like maybe 10, 12 games. I do have a brick. I have a brick.

But going off that, I feel like the Raiders do such a fantastic job of, like, taking care of their love. Bringing back the guys, once a Raider always a Raider. Yeah. You hear it? Yeah. Damn. You would have been a great raider, man.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There was some, there were some, there were some, there are some chirps in the house. Yeah, man. Absolutely. This is my commemorative bottle. So this is only, this is only sold in Nevada. This one right here?

Yep, only sold in Nevada. So this is a two-year straight whiskey coming straight out of Kentucky. Give it something, man. Yeah, man. Let's give it a rating. Yeah, man. So as I pour the glass. glass and I swirled along.

I love the texture holding to the side of the glass and slowly dripping back down. It's a really good whiskey. As you sip it, I like to put all around the mouth, no pause. And take it because what I do like to do, what I find the whiskey, which is different is seeing how much it's going to sting as I swallow it. As I swallow it.

No pause. He's a swallower. Oh, God. I think the flavor has got a nice. nice sweetness to it. Oh, yeah. The temperature as it goes down my throat, no pause, is not harsh.

It's not something that I'm going to go and take down and be like, oh, that was a little tough. Maybe I should put something in there to take away that bite. Sits on the tummy just right. Oh, man. It hits that belly. Yeah. You kind of feel like, oh, I have a warm and sensation. If it's a cool day outside, I put that in there, I know internally I'm getting the heat I need.

Overall, 4.5. 4.5 out of five? I think I can... I hope it's out of five. I hope it's out of five. Would you like me to go? Yeah.

How did you feel about that? I'm close with what you're saying. I feel like I taste and feel a lot of the things that you're talking about. I think it's got a nice sweet heat up front, like not too much of that peppery up front. You're kind of thinking to yourself, like, is it going to sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle down your throat very smoothly. And now that I'm in my third or four sip, it's got a nice, warm, not like a harsh, where it kind of messes up your chest.

So I'm just sitting on your stomach. It's very comfortable. Especially on an empty stomach. I don't know if you've eaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying. Yeah. And overall, I would give it a 4.5. Yeah. That's 4%. So we're going to take that as a 9 out of 10. So our dumpstick is it's not about, it's always going to be 4.5 because nothing's ever perfect. But it's the description in which you hear that you can establish, is that 4.5 out of 5 is it out of 20 so that's for the viewer to decide what that's out of like even a harsh a bad whiskey it's so good a 4.5 but you would explain it in a way of like that that's not my favorite I would say my eyes are watering not a not a lot of taste in that

that's a good whiskey yeah I like that I like that that's a good way to put that though I like the whole I like the whole four out of five portion of it you don't know if it's 4.5 out of 150 20 but it's 4.5 but I uh I I love your description. And so I had to come out here to get this, matter of fact, not too long ago. And the first thing I thought was, there was a sweetness in, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Like what I, what sweetness is it was. So later on, I'll drink it again.

I'll have something for you. Because it does. My first thought is caramel. Like there's a caramel sweet. Well, usually you get a little, and your bourbons, you know, get a little bit of that caramel, a little bit of that vanilla. But there's something else. I just can't. Because there's a lot of whiskey

where it'll sting, it'll sting your lips. And you never get the, you never get the flavor. Right, right, right, right. So I, I, I need it to have, and I always want to have something that, man, you can enjoy.

And a lot of people want, you know, barrel strength, whiskeys, you know, which is great. You got to put you a cube in it. That's cool. And we'll do some things like that as well. But your everyday whiskey,

what I want you to enjoy on game day, I want you to be able to enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. Not just, you know, put the cube in or, or I don't need you to do all that. Yeah. Do you like, are you more of a fan of your whiskey or the wine? No, I mean, they're both my kids. I know you love both, but if you're, what wins more?

What wins more? If we said to you right now, who's your favorite child at this moment? You're not, you're going to say I love them both the same, but you're going to think of one name first. No, I'm not. No, I'll tell you right. Okay. I can't do it. Dion, Dion.

I don't do the Dionne thing. I was going to say, Dion, Dion, Dion, Dian, brings his kids. I love it. I think it's hilarious. I love both my babies the same with my boys. But there's what's quite more than others at certain times. Well, what I would say, though, what I would say with the whiskey is that it's more interactive. That makes sense because there's a lot of things you can do with it.

You know, so if I was going to have a party or get together or something, and we wanted to make a bunch of different things out of that whiskey. Oh, fashion. Man, we got a whole range of things. that we can do. We can make espresso martinis, manhattans, old fashions, paper planes. We can do all these different things. And we can make some with the wine as well. We do a little, it's called one of the restaurants I go

that have both of my products. It's called Intercept Sour. So it has their house-made sour mix, my red blend, which is not there, and my whiskey, and they mix it in this nice little. I feel like you, I feel like, you know what I'm saying? Do you have a cigar? Not shit. I was going to say, I feel like you got the whiskey.

I feel like you got the nice, the aged beard that's really well done. I feel like you're a cigar guy. Yeah. Did you like that when the Raiders would pull that out after the victory? Yeah, talk about AP getting the head coaching job. Yeah, I think Mark had to do it, man. Had to do it. There was a groundswell of support for AP.

And just the way he came in, man, and the way that the team just really responded to him. I thought they had to do it, so I'm excited for them. And I was able to go and talk to them before they went and played Indianapolis. And I told the guys, I said, hey, man, I can't wait until I get the chance to come in the locker room and hang out at Clubbreder with you guys. And so last game of the season against Denver, I got a chance to get into Clubbreder after the game. Max Crosby running around. Yeah. Hands me to Cigar.

And that was a moment, man. That was a real moment. And so I love it. I think AP is going to, he's going to, you know, do a great job. I think he's going to, you know, hopefully, you know, he's a great, a talent evaluator along with the new GM man, and they get guys and hear that love the game of football and want to be Raiders. And so if he can accomplish that, it would be right.

We'll be right. And we appreciate you coming on. This has been incredible, man. There was one quick story I do want to tell. It was after my rookie year and I was in town. We were doing a charity event. I believe it was yours and Hutchinson's charity event. And I went to my old house because obviously a couple guys were there that I used to live at.

And I was damn near blackout drunk. Yeah. And I was on some extracurriculars as well. You come a long way from that baby swimming pool. No question. I was in the baby swimming pool. Dude, a car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks out. You know the little pools that you fill up for like two-year-olds?

Yeah. This guy. Sitting in it. And you know You've seen the house I lived on It was like right on that main street Called State Street Yeah right on stage

Not far from Not far from Sin back there Not far from Jim back there He pulls up Because I was supposed to go to that charity event And I ended up going blackout It was a terrible experience For everybody else but me

But he pulls up And all my boys are there And you came up That me up We talked for a second I got back in that tub after you left I felt like the fucking man I was like you know

He just pulled up just to say What's up and left Randomly riding down the street Taylor LeWine in a baby swimming pool? I got to see what's going on over here. That was an interesting time of my life. Will has heard some stories about me at Michigan and a couple first couple years.

I know. The Taylor I know is a way different. Well, all of you offensive linemen, man, you guys are crazy. Nuts. Yeah, you guys are crazy. Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit. Thank God, because I would have been out of the league. Who knows where you'd be right now?

No, I'd be dead in the ditch somewhere. This is what I tell people before you're in. is you're a different person now. You do things differently. And so we all came into the NFL. You played, you know, how many every years, and you do a lot of dumb shit. And so what I tell young guys is like,

I hope you make it to the other side. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people in those first couple of years, they get into some shit, they never recover. But if you can play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself somewhat clean and keep yourself fit and ready to play, and you can get to the other side, man, it's so much, so much better.

You know what I'm saying? But you don't know unless you get over it. Right. I'm happy you made it to the other side. Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a cool transition. It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition and then be sitting, you know, out of the league

and knowing like, man, what could I have actually done if I wouldn't have just got out out of my own way? And so it was, it's really cool. But that moment was awesome, man. No doubt. That was a very cool moment. Dude, thanks for coming on. Yeah, man.

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Go blue. Hey, we got you this too. And we wanted to make a bunch of different things out of that whiskey. Oh, fashion. Man, we got, we got a whole range of things that we can do. We can make espresso martisans, manhastas, manhastans, old-fashioned, paper planes. We can do all these different things. And we can make something with the wine as well.

We do a little, it's called a, that one of the restaurants I can. The restaurants I go that have both of my products, it's called Intercept Sour. Okay. So it has their house made sour mix, my red blend, which is not there in my whiskey, and they mix it in this nice little. I feel like you, I'm saying. Do you have a cigar? Not shit. I was going to say, I feel like you got the whiskey.

Like, I feel like you got the nice, the aged beard that's really well done. I feel like you're a cigar guy. Yeah. Did you like that when the Raiders would pull that out after the victim? Yeah. Talk about, talk about AP getting the, getting the, getting the, you know. the head coaching job. Yeah, I think Mark had to do it, man.

Had to do it. There was a groundswell of support for AP. And just the way he came in, man, and the way that the team just really responded to him, I thought he had to do it. So I'm excited for him. And I was able to go and talk to him before they went and played Indianapolis.

And I told the guys, I said, hey, man, I can't wait until I get the chance to come in the locker room and hang out at Club Raider with you guys. And so last game of the season against Denver, I got a chance to get into Club Raider after the game. Max Crosby was running around. Yeah.

Hands me into Cigar. And that was a moment, man. That was a real moment. And so I love it. I think AP is going to, he's going to, you know, do a great job. I think he's going to, you know, hopefully, you know, he's a great, a talent evaluator along with the new GM, man. And they get guys in here that love the game of football.

ball and we want to be Raiders. And so if he can accomplish that, it would be right. We'll be right. And we appreciate you coming on. This has been incredible, man. There was one quick story I do want to tell. It was after my rookie year and I was in town, we were doing a charity event. I believe it was yours and Hutchinson's charity event. And I went to my old house because obviously a couple guys were there that I used to live at. And I was damn near blackout drunk. Yeah. And I was on some extracurriculars as well. You come a long way from that baby swimming pool. No question. I was in the baby two, a car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks out. You know the little pools that you fill up for like two-year-olds?

Yeah. This guy. Sitting in it. And you know, you seen the house I lived on. It was like right on that main street called State Street. Yeah, right on just sit out there. No T-shirt on. Not far from Sin back.

Not far from Jim back. He pulls up because I'm supposed to go to that charity event and I ended up going blackout. It was a terrible experience for everybody else but me. But he pulls up and all my boys are there. came up, dat me up, we talked for a second. I got back in that tub after you left. I felt like the fucking man. I was like, you know, he just pulled up just to say what's up and left.

Randomly riding down the street. Taylor LeWine in a baby swimming pool? I got to see what's going on over here. That was an interesting time of my life. Will has heard some stories about me at Michigan and a couple first couple years. I know. The Taylor I know are way different. All of you offensive linemen, man, you guys are crazy.

Nuts. Yeah, you guys are crazy. Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit. Thank God, because I would have been out of the league. Who knows where you'd be right now? No, I'd be dead in the ditch somewhere. This is what I tell people before you're in is you're a different person now. You do things differently.

And so we all came into the NFL. You played, you know, how many every years, and you do a lot of dumb shit. And so what I tell young guys is like, I hope you make it to the other side. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people in those first couple of years, they get into some shit. They never recover. But if you can play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself somewhat clean

and keep yourself fit and ready to play and you can get to the other side, man, it's so much, so much better. You know what I'm saying? But you don't know unless you get over it. Right. I'm happy you made it to the other side. Appreciate that, man.

Yeah, it's a cool transition. It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition and then be sitting out of the league and knowing like, man, what could I have actually done if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way. And so it was, it's really cool.

But that moment was awesome, man. No doubt. That was a very cool moment. Dude, thanks for coming on. Yeah, man. This is all time. Please subscribe. Hey, dad, dad, Charles Wilson.

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