Bussin' With The Boys - Chiefs WON’T Make The Playoffs & CFP Chaos: Miami Over Notre Dame?! + How To Fix The Playoff

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Will Compton and Taylor Lewan recap a wild Week 14 of the NFL with NFL legend and FOX analyst Greg Olsen.   The Boys dive into everything happening around the league, starting with the Kansas City Chiefs losing again and why they will miss the playoffs. They break down Travis Kelce’s costly drop that led to Patrick Mahomes’ three interceptions and talk about why the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen might not be built for the regular season… but are built for the postseason.   Greg Olsen joins the debate on analytics vs. momentum, and the crew recaps the biggest stories and games from Week 14 across the NFL.   Then The Boys shift to the College Football Playoff, reacting to the final bracket and the chaos surrounding it: Notre Dame getting in over Miami, Alabama not dropping after losing to Georgia. Will and Taylor recap calling the SEC Championship for ESPN’s Alt Cast with Josh Pate and Harry Douglas. They also talk about how to fix the CFP — including removing G5 teams and ensuring the 12 best teams always make the field They wrap up with a discussion on Fernando Mendoza vs. Diego Pavia and who should take home the Heisman Trophy.   Timestamp Chapters:   0:00 Open 2:30 Thoughts On Big 10 Championship 8:30 Chiefs v Texans 15:00 Cowboys v Lions 29:25 Bengals v Bills 46:06 Jaguars v Colts 1:04:01 Buccaneers v Saints 1:05:21 Hurt or Injured 1:07:41 Titans v Browns 1:07:56 Packers v Bears 1:15:37 Calling The SEC Championship 1:36:22 ACC Championship 1:37:27 Big 10 Championship 1:41:47 Big 12 Championship 1:43:32 College Football Playoff Is Set 2:19:37 Heisman Trophy 2:24:52 #TierTalkSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to leave comments throughout the episode we love you we appreciate you enjoy busting with the boys one last thing just one one quick little thing bwtb dot com find all the merch you want if you're for the dad's guy bustling with a boys guy a lot of stuff out there that you can put on feel real nice and feel real nice subscribe please for the love of god subscribe ladies gentlemen let's give a round of applause for the one the only greg olson jumping on the bus yet again on a monday morning to do a little nfl recap i know you had probably one of the spiciest games of the week. Do we want to start there? We can start there. I do know. I don't want it to go unnoticed that I message Greg

over the weekend. Like I'm sitting there and as I'm watching games and trying to process analytical angles or, you know, situational football. I shot Greg a text during the Big Ten championship. Yeah. When it was Ohio State trying to kick a kick in the field goal, what was it the 25-yard or 28-yarder that they shanked to tie it? And it was like late in the fourth or later in the fourth. and I just shot Greg a text like, hey, I'm just sitting here watching that field goal. I'm thinking to my head, yeah, you tie the game, but is this one of those situations where you don't tie the game? You try to go for it because, again, all you're doing is giving them three points.

They have X amount of time to work with and all that needs a field goal to win the game. How much time was left on the clock? It was like two minutes, yeah, two minutes and change left. Two minutes and change left. So plenty of time. Because like, yeah, at the end of day, no matter what, Indiana is just going to need a field goal to win the game. So if you tie it, they need a field goal. But if you go and go for it on fourth down and eventually score,

you're challenging them. They're going to have to get seven on you. So I'm texting Greg, he's text back, yes, with exclamation points. I'm just letting them know, hey, I'm trying to learn now.

So Greg, your answer to Will was, yes, you take the three in that situation. No, no, I think they should have went for it. Now,

again, it's easy to have that perspective when he misses the kid. No doubt. No doubt. Yeah. Monday's always tough to be like, you should have done this.

But we're just talking about what we would do. Yeah. So I always, exactly. I always try to not be the hindsight guy, right? And always, and make a decision. Well, if Ryan Day knew the kid was going to shank it, of course he would have gone for it. But I thought beforehand, you got to go for it. Right.

On paper, you're probably the better team. You're paying bazillions of dollars to the kids. You're big and you're physical and you pride yourself on all that. Like, you've got to be able to get short yard situations inside the table. 10 yard line. That's just, I don't remember exactly where the ball was, but it was inside the 10. It might have been the 8 or 9. I can't remember exactly where the ball was. Yeah, watching it transpire. College kickers, I don't pretend to know the math of college numbers like I do in the NFL. I don't know what college field goal rates are. I know there's a wild

spread between good kickers and bad kickers, much more so than the NFL where, for the most part, everybody's kind of in the same bucket to a degree. So, yeah, that was, that was brutal. And remember, in college, you miss a field goal right there, and they put the ball in the 20. So not only did you miss it, but you didn't even have the luxury of Indiana having to snap the ball from inside their own 10-yard line because the ball got moved to the 20. Yeah, he says they missed the kick and lost 11 yards of field position. And then Greg, on the next drive he hits me, and Ohio State has to take a time out after that

long pass. Yeah, I've noticed a handful of people. When they have like a pass over 15 yards, let's say, and they're all rushing to the ball. And there's a new set of downs. Everyone's trying to get, hurry up on the ball and, you know, run another play. And in my mind, it's like, dude, if you were in a got-a-half situation, your first down, essentially is the same as if you're running, it was a regular part of the game. Like, you have first, second, third, and then you're usually going to punt or do whatever after that. If you're in a got-a-half-situation, I would clock it.

Like, you get a massive pass down the field and you're on. under a minute 15 or even a minute. It's like, dude, go clock it so you can get everything kind of put together before stuff starts running away from you. Yeah. So offensively, when to use timeouts is always a little bit tricky, right? So college rules, again, being a little bit different because the clock will stop for it. It feels like it stops at a very irregular time, right?

You get our first down with under two minutes and the clock will stop as they move the chains. I don't know if anybody knows, does it stop for? five seconds to, I don't know exactly the time frame. Maybe a college guy could tell me if there's a strict, like how long they hold the clock before they reset it or is dependent on how long the gain is and how long they have to move the ball in the chains. I don't know the answer to that.

But typically, Jen, the point Will's making that we texted about, I thought Ohio State needed to start using some of their timeouts on defense. Yeah, because Indiana popped him on third down. That's one they threw a long pass. Yeah, that's the one they threw. and they didn't take a timeout. They allowed Indiana to get, you know, moving all and take some time off.

You just don't ever want to go down. You always want to use your time. General rule of thumb is you want to use your timeouts on defense. And you want to use all of your timeouts either on one side or the other side of the two-minute warning. That's kind of like an NFL rule. Exactly how that applies in college. I don't know all the ins and outs because of the timing differences and whatnot.

But that's like typically in an NFL game. That's the rule of thumb. So if you've already used the time. out with five minutes to go, say, and you got two remaining, you typically want to use those remaining timeouts if you can on defense and you want to use them also on the plus side of the two minute. What a lot of coaches like, and it goes back into the psychology of all this, is they want to keep those timeouts for under the two minute warning because it gives them this false security that even though we're underneath the two minute warning, I'm still as a defensive player.

I'm no longer at the mercy. I can still stop the clock when. in reality, if you would have stopped it on the plus side of the two minute, you actually would have more remaining time in the event you force to stop and turn over on downs or a punt or whatever. But it just feels helpless to not be able to stop the clock under the two minute warning, which is why a lot of coaches opt to use their timeouts on the bottom side. And that's where they get in trouble because they split their timeouts. But that's a whole different conversation. In that game, yes, they should have. I thought they should have went for it. Try to take the lead.

You're inside the 10. You're the better team. You're big and physical. You pride yourself on all these five stars. Go win the game. And number two, using the timeouts on defense, I thought, but at the end of the day, didn't really have much of an effect.

They didn't really have much of a chance there at the end. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching the game last night, the Chiefs versus the Texans. And then the Chiefs, they get punted to them. They're around like the 30, 35. yard line and there's like 10.04 left and it's fourth and one and they decided to go for it. And

that was a moment for me. I was like, I wonder what Greg thinks about the situation. Because they end up going for a fourth down. Because they're on their own 35. They're on their own 35. So it's fourth and one. If you don't get it, the other team is obviously, they're already in field goal range. Both defenses have been playing incredible. Like even, even the Chief's defense has really like in the second half has been like way better than they were in the first half. So they go for it and fourth and one. Rishie Rice, I think they, you know, Mahom does a little bit of magic, does it, Rashid's getting hit as he's, the ball is hitting his hands, ends up dropping the ball, it's Houston's ball.

And if you're the coach of the chiefs, and I know, Andy Reid, he's an absolute stud, he's in an offensive mindset. He's probably thinking to himself, I got a way with my offense as opposed to a defensive mindset. Like Chris Collinsworth was talking about on the broadcast, what would you do in that situation? Are you punting and say, hey, we're incrementally, like, this is the best move for us to play the field position game at this point? Yeah, so I was watching it live. And I'll tell you what I would have said if I was on the broadcast. Is that fair?

Yeah. I would have said the numbers, the analytics, the models, whatever you want to look at, that is a go situation. And it was a pretty significant go situation. I think the models, again, people value them differently, between like three and five percent. So a significant win percentage shared in a game where nobody could really get anything going offensively. I think if I'm calling that game, I'm saying, hey, the numbers tell you to go. And I am a traditionally, if it's close, I am as individual always going to err on the side of going. The better my defense plays, actually the more willing I am for my offense to take some chances. We can talk about that at a later time.

But in that moment, I think I punt. Yeah. And that's me as like a guy who really is in on this. I see the value. I understand giving your offense and your team every opportunity to win the game in regulation, not force overtime, win the game in regulation. And that is one of the times where I do think the context of the game matters. And if they were 10 yards further, if that ball was at the 40 instead of the 30, I'm going for it.

My general rule of thumb, especially in a game where the offenses are struggling. So Houston's offense hadn't done jack's shit in the last four possessions. I think my general rule of thumb is if I fail here and I give you the ball back and you don't gain one yard, it is fourth and ten, can you score on me? And if the answer is yes, I'm probably not going to go for it. Right. Yeah, because you're looking at how the game is going. You're looking at momentum.

Because you're going to kick up. You gain zero yards. You kick a field goal and you did nothing to earn those three points. We're essentially giving it to you. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Now, if it was my game and it was the Bengals and the Bills where the final score was 30, I don't know what it was, 30, 38, 30, it was both teams were over 30, well into the 30s. Yeah.

If I'm calling my game in that situation, I'm going for that 100% of the time. Yes. You know why? Because whether I punt you the ball or I give you the ball, nobody has proven they can stop anybody. So you're going to score anyway. I might as well make it a faster score. Hey, I'm 100% with you. Because you're also,

but what you're talking about right now is momentum of the game. Oh, what's kind of happening right now. Oh, yeah. It's not. We're talking about momentum now, Gregie. If you watched that game,

they go for it. It's the momentum. Hold on. The best two aspects of the game were the defenses. That wasn't momentum. That's who those teams are. Listen, they are defensive teams.

First off, I have so much respect for you. So much so that when I'm watching the game, GCA, he's face. You know what that is? Momentum, he's like, no. Well, hey, but Will, let me talk of it as if great. Did you watch that full game last night?

Do you able to? Which full game? I watched the second half. Okay, so the second half, so you saw that, they go for that fourth and one. Up into that point, the Houston, Texans had negative three yards total in the second half. They were not, they could not move the ball at all. Balls were getting batted down. They were getting tackled in the backfield, the whole thing.

They were playing awful. Yeah. The minute they don't get that fourth and one, they run the ball five times and score a touchdown. So that is what we talked about last week, where the defense is now going out. They converted third down on the ass. They stopped before the one and the juice that enters that football team. Boom. Momentum.

On Houston side. Unquantifiable momentum. They're walking in there going, hey, essentially, boys, hey, we're in a four-minute type of situation. Stay in-bounce, no holdings, no penalties. you know, stay in between the tackles, hold the ball with two hands. They convert the third down. They end up scoring a touchdown with the special teams running back.

The game is over at that point. Well, it wasn't over. My Holmes had two more possessions. And what did he do? Well, they dropped four balls, one for a pick. I don't disagree. Like, that to me was, and I thought, the momentum took over.

The momentum took over of the game. It was all momentum. Hey, during her SEC, hey, during her SEC championship broadcast, Do you remember me talking about Greg? I'm like, Greg's going to hate this right now, but the momentum is all on the Georgia side. But dude, that is, I know you hate it.

I know you hate it, but that is truly when a defense is sitting there in the sideline, and I swear to God, all of us have done this, whether you and me on offense or will on defense, something happens on your, on the other side, and you're like, fuck, man, because you know no matter what they're getting points. And that is a deflater.

You're still going to play just as hard, but those incremental things that you try to grab, right, that you were talking about last week. Small little wins that equal a victory at the end of the day. Momentum is a factor. And we saw that last night on Sunday night football. I'm not debating that we all felt that way.

I'm not debating that we've all walked onto the field feeling more confident or feeling better. I'm not saying any of that's not real. All I'm suggesting is it has no bearing on the outcomes of the plays. All right. So let's take Thursday night. I love it. That Dallas, that Dallas, Detroit.

One day I wanted to start with. Dallas, Detroit. Yeah. I'm in the Bahamas with my wife. Celebrating her 40th birthday party. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. We had a great trip.

We had a great trip. Having a couple cocktails, having a great time. So I'm like loosely following the game. But like we're at dinner and we're hanging out with friends. So I'm not like sitting there living and dying with it. And all of a sudden my phone starts. I'm getting texts. People, are you watching this game?

We're thinking. And the. the situation was Dallas was down 10 on fourth down and they kicked a field goal to make it a how many score game guys one score game they made it a one score game they were juiced they had all the momentum I had it they had it they took it from a two score game to a one score game

they didn't go for touchdown they kicked on hey man extend the game give guys hope defense they're going to do it defense is going to make a stop guess what Detroit did on the next drive. Took it down the field. They went the entire field and scored a touchdown. I know. Right with that happened.

But they had all the momentum. I know. By cutting it to one score, I was told by cutting it to one score. If you went for a fourth down and it stayed a two score game, everyone was going to be deflated. But by taking the points, by kicking a short field goal, you gave everyone on that sideline a boost of energy to take the field. I'm not saying they didn't take the field excited. I'm sure the sideline was thrilled that they were down seven

with a chance to get the ball back with the way DAC was playing. I'm not suggesting any of that wasn't real. I'm just suggesting it didn't mean jack shit. And that's on two where you go for it on fourth down if you're Dallas. I think you go for it if you're Dallas because the opportunity to cut that thing to three, knowing my defense is not playing very well all year, let alone that game. My best case is, all right, am I going to hold them to a three and out punt? unlikely, maybe, maybe if I'm motivated enough.

But if not, maybe I can hold them to a field goal. And remember, we've had this conversation before. You're up three on me. And I'm on defense. You're on offense. And you're up three at the end of the game. Are you really excited to try to go up six? Or are you probably going to try to score a touchdown or and go for it and remain up three?

You don't want to kick a field goal to go up six. That's a whole different conversation. Yeah, no, no, no, I agree. No matter what, the offense is going to have four downs. You'd rather be tied in that situation than they even be up six. Correct. Because then they're going to be like, we have four downs now. They're gaining themselves a different down.

We've had that conversation. But again, they still have to get really into the weeds. That is. That is. They took 10 to 7, which I was told is the key to all of this. Get it to one score. Everyone is so motivated. And the momentum is so high in your favor.

and Detroit went right down and scored a touchdown you were back down 10 for what? This is why a full 60 minutes is so, not a full 60 minutes, but like whatever point you're on the game, if you're in the second half of the game, it's so important to know, you now as a coach know how everything's going.

This week or last week, everybody was talking about cowboys, look at that, they get Kenny Clark, they got Quentin Williams, look much better their defenses. Who's the livebacker? Logan Wilson. We're buying and we're buying in.

And I said, listen, boys, I'll go with you in the Cowboys. I'm going to let you know, I've done this before. I know how this song and dance goes. So in this game, and the only reason why knows is it's right here, the Lions win 44 to 30. So at this point in the game, you know your defense as great as they've on all of a sudden become or as at the average, which is great for them, you need to go get the seven.

You have to go get the seven in the situation because what is the strength of your team? The strength of your team is Dak Prescott and your wide receivers. C.D. Lamat this time is that. out though. But it's, it's everything's situational. That's what makes football incredible. Now,

if we have the same situation and we are the chiefs and the Texans, I might lean a little bit more on taking three now because it's like, hey, at the end of the day,

like, I believe my divets can stop them and get that three and out, go for a punt, maybe with something crazy can happen.

And then I have Patrick Mahomes. Does, do you, are you buying that at all? I'm trying to figure out what yard line they were on. Give me a second. I don't know specifically what yard line were they on when they kicked the field goal?

The Cowboys? Yeah. Well, was it short? I can dive in. I want to say it was inside the five. Hold on. Yeah, they were fairly close. They were pretty close.

Oh, if you're inside the five, buddy. Like this whole conversation. They kicked the field goal from the 11. And what down was it? It was fourth and three. Fourth and three at the 11. All right. So let me ask, so let's stay with that train of thought about the good defenses, right?

So we'll take the, we'll take the Chiefs Houston game, put them in the exact same context. And let's say it's 17 to 7. Yeah, it's a low scoring game. 10, 10, 17, 7, whatever it is. Yeah, 17. Well, we'll take the exact same situation, right? Let's say it's, yeah, 177. Is that what you said?

Yeah, 177. Yeah, I'm sorry. 177. And I'm whichever team. Let's say I'm Kansas City because they made the decision, you know, that everyone didn't like. and they're trailing 17-7. Yeah. And they have the ball fourth and three at the 11.

Kicking that field goal to go 14-10, I now kick the ball back off to C.J. Stroud, and I give them the ball at, let's say, the 35-yard line. Do you think C.J. Stroud, if my defense is dominating the game and my offense is struggling, don't you think I should give my offense the advantage? If I'm going to tip the scales as a coach and give the end, and give the advantage, the advantage or the short straw.

Do you think you should give the advantage to the team that's already really good? In this case, your defense and protect them and not? Or do you think you should give your offense the advantage because you're telling me how good your defense is? No, I understand what you said. Which would you know? You want your defense to have the advantage. You want to give your offense as much help as possible. Yeah.

So if anybody's got to carry the short straw, make it your defense because I'm told how good they are. and my offense is clearly struggling because we only have seven points in this scenario. Give them every chance because I might not get the ball down to the 11 ever again. My best point, my best chance of tying this game might be a 50-yard field goal down three.

There's no change. Going down seven, even if I get a stop, the way this game is gone, there's no guarantee I can even score a touchdown. I've only scored one up into this point. What tells you with the game on the line, you're all of a sudden going to figure out this, Houston defense and with the game on the line, go the length of the field and score.

So no matter how you look at it, whether it's a high scoring game, all right, you've got to match points, keep your offense, keep them on the field, or it's a low scoring game. Hey, my defense is so much better than my offense. I need to get my offense all. That's what Andy Reid was thinking the other night. Andy Reid was thinking in a three-down possession, I can't crack this Houston defense. I just, I can't get a first down. Yeah.

I'm going to have to use fourth down at some point. What better. Forget the yard line. In his brain, he's saying, if I'm going to give my offense a chance to sustain a possession to even kick a field goal, I need to use fourth down because three is clearly not getting it done. I got fourth and one. It's never going to get any better than that.

Fourth and one in the NFL is like 70% conversion rate. Yeah. You're saying that situation where it's 17, 10, you're still going to go for it because chances of you being down at the 11 again or getting a touchdown. I'm 17-7. Exactly. So in the situation we're talking about low-scoring, defensive battle, I'm still going for a touchdown. Because 17-7 from the 11, fourth and three from the 11, if I kick a field goal there and I even, and I get a stop, I get a three-in-out. Great. That's best-case scenario. Do you have a ton of confidence that you're going to be able to get the ball down there

again and score when you haven't really been able to do it the entire game. No, that's a good point. Yeah. You know what? I'm sitting over here and I know there's supposed to be this debate happening, but I'm kind of seeing where you're coming from. I'm understanding. Here's the last thing that I'll say about.

I'm like trying to figure him out so much differently now, just with Greg coming on each week. It's like, yeah, he's a person in your life that makes you watch the world a little bit different. Yeah, yeah. And I've enjoyed it. Well, I appreciate that. But it's not necessarily like,

me. I'm not trying to like champion this like crazy radical new age of thinking, but this is the way the teams are thinking about the game. Andy Reid did not make that decision in a vacuum in the moment out of thin air. We're talking about a guy that's played in six Super Bowls, seven Super Bowls, one four are going to be a Hall of Fame first ballot. This guy's forgotten more about football than nice. Andy Reid's going to he's forgotten more football than pretty much the vast majority of the people that are on earth and and people are just so excited to crush him this morning for that decision because we only we only evaluate the outcome if they got a yard and a half there and they went down and kicked the field goal and let's say

they ended up winning the game there was not going to be one article one tweet one radio host, not one personality, maybe outside of this show, who was going to go, you know why they won? Because Andy Reid went for it on fourth down and we need to give him a round of applause. No one was sick. No one applauds when it works. No one this morning woke up and said Sean McDermott up by four, end of the game, instead of kicking a field goal to go up seven and take the points and making a touchdown game, he went for fourth down. because he's got the best player in the world, and Josh Allen scores a touchdown to make it a true two-score game,

and it was over. But if he failed, and Joe Burrow then went down by four, went the length of the field and had a walk-off touchdown, Sean McDermott's, he's the number one topic of every sports show this morning, and he's getting crushed. But no one's giving him praise for making the right decision.

And that's why coaches are so scared to do this. because it's easier to stand at the podium and say, kick the field goal, went up seven, got to do a better job getting a stop in that moment. Well, you didn't get a stop the whole game. Joe Burrow was incredible outside of one pick six that he just threw it to the, like, we judge the outcome so evenly

because people are so anti this analytics tag that they throw on everything. And I don't even think people know what the hell they're talking about. Right. Yeah. No, yeah. The world of football, as we know, is evolving in front of her eyes and it's taking a lot of time for people to catch up to the thought process of it's no longer about playing field position, being conservative. It's now about let's define the game right now. When the time to define the game happens, we're going to define it, good or bad. We're going to know where we're at after this play. And I love, I love how you take it to the thought process of the head coach, like the absolute leader, the guy who has all the responsibility and accountability. Because you're right. It's like if you kick, go up seven, Joe Burr. goes down, ties it or whatever it is.

It's like, yeah, we need to do a better job of getting a stop. Like all, everything will be essentially on the players. Not that they're blaming the players, but everything's so easy to kind of sit there and say, we got to do a better job of getting to stop. And then all the reporters and writers of the world curated to essentially the players not going to stop. They've got to figure, yeah. And it's also what Dan Quinn and Dan Campbell, these are the two that kind of started this

whole thing of going for and forth and forth down. And coaches are starting to realize, or the ones that have, have a sack are like okay if we're going to get something done like it's going to be defined not when it hit zero but when it's five minutes left in the game we're going to know exactly how this outcome's going to happen and if it doesn't work out i'll be the one up there i'll take every fucking take every bullet in the world which is a ballsyest thing to do yeah do you guys remember two years ago in the playoffs when dan camp when the lions lost yeah was it to the packers uh yeah the nfc champion uh initial i i believe nfc championship because i'm like

screaming at the TV saying, I don't know why you're not kicking the field goal. I should, I mean, I should know this. Hey, that's big of you to sit there and be like, I know I was looking the past. It was the 49ers in the NFC championship. Yes. And they lost. There's a couple fourth downs where it's like they're sort of, I think he, I think they went 0 for three.

Yeah. They at least went 0 for two. He might have went over three. You remember, you remember him after the game standing at the podium? And he's an emotional, wears his emotions on his sleeve type of a guy. And he's answering. and he's standing tall, but you can tell he's crushed. And he stood there and he just ate it.

And he just took it. And he says, I'll do it again. And everybody wanted to kill him, right? Everybody couldn't believe it. You cost yourself. See, but when you take a step back, Detroit's not in the NFC championship without that approach. Right? So we were fine with it when they were the greatest story in football.

But now all of a sudden it didn't work out, right? We want to judge the outcome, not the reason why they did it, just the outcome, which is so lazy and it's so easy to sit in hindsight and retrospect and go, man, I was a dumb decision. Well, yeah, you have the luxury of knowing the result. That's not decision making. That's not the world. And has Dan Campbell changed one ounce of his approach since then? No, no. Do you think he's scared to get up in front of the press conference and answer it again if it doesn't,

work? No. I like it. Diving into, you were touching on earlier, the Bengals bills, what were there, like 20-something points scored in the last few minutes of the game? It was unbelievable. Bro, how nuts of a game was that, man? We had the snow going out there, them trying to brush the yard lines off, the numbers, like that was when everybody watching the home that's like, this is football right here. You're starting to hear everybody go, we're in playoff football. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. These are playoffs. This is it. And it's, and it's, fucking, it's awesome to see. Yeah.

Bengals had a lead. And then those last few minutes, man, just flipped. Which is amazing, which is great because, I mean, you said it earlier. Like Josh Allen, he's the greatest football player in the world. The last four or five weeks, it's kind of been in question a little bit. Like he hasn't, his wide receiver group, they're not getting a whole lot of separation. He's holding the ball a lot more. He's not being as dynamic getting down the field as we saw him win the MVP last year.

And then half the game he has in front of you while you're calling it. Like, I just, it fires me up for Buffalo to be like, oh, that's the same fucking dude. Because they're starting to get chattered, whisper, hey, hey, Josh Allen, is he, not saying he's not the guy, but is he having a down year? Is it his fault? Is he the reason? And so watching it all unfold, man, it was incredible. From your vantage point, did the Bengals fuck this game up or was it just so, it was

it just like Josh Allen, the dominance of the Buffalo Bills that really brought it home? Yeah, I think we saw two really high-level quarterbacks just. absolutely rip it for four quarters and there was one bad playmate. And Joe Burrow had Christian Benford come off the slot and it was a hand, it was a run play. So we had talked, we had talked at the beginning, everything that Buffalo is trying to do in the run game is they're going to use some corner cats. They're going to use some perimeter pressure from safeties and corners. And they're going to try to knife you and cause some negative runs, right? Everything's about trying to create negatives on those early down. So Joe Burroughs sees Christian Benford come off the

and he's pulling the ball and you can see he's trying to get a handle on it to throw like a little inside little looky, like a little looky dart into the void of where the pressure came from off the edge. And he just doesn't get a great handle on it and he kind of pushes it and he doesn't get nearly enough height on it. And he throws it right into the hands of Christian Bedford and he takes it back for a touchdown. Outside of that play, you can't play quarterback better than Joe Burrow and John. Josh Allen did collectively in a game. It was big time throws. It was in pressure. It was escapability. It was in the snow. Accuracy. It was all of it encompassed into one game. And that was a unfortunate play by Burrough and shit happens. But it was remarkable. And the point about Josh

Allen, so we set it in our open. A lot of talk about James Cook in this run game and the style, which looks very different than what it used to look like in the early days of Josh Allen, where he was in the shotgun on every play, and he had the ball in his hand on every play, and it was magic, and he was Superman for four quarters. The last couple of weeks, to your point, Taylor, is you're exactly right. They got very much away from that. Last week, two weeks ago, against Pittsburgh, Josh was a relative non-factor outside of a run here and there. It was a heavy, heavy run game with Cook.

We said in our open, don't let it fool you. critical moments, critical downs, third down, goal line, got to have it, two minute drill. Everything's on the line. The ball is going to be in Josh Allen's hand. And he single-handedly won the game. He's got a 40-something-yard scramble touchdown when they were down 10 to cut it. Then again, the play of the game, third and 15, Cincinnati is about to get the ball punted back to him down five. They just sacked Josh on second, on first down. So it was third and 15. They max drop.

They only rush four. They don't get to him. And he scrambles untouched for a first down and they take a knee and win the game. I mean, he was the best player on the field. And that's the Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills that were accustomed to seeing. And when it mattered most, that did feel like a playoff game, even though one team was eight, four. One team was four and eight. It had playoff vibes, playoff atmosphere.

And Josh Allen was the best player on the field. You think this Buffalo Bills team's got enough to. get to the Super Bowl this year? You know, Greg hates questions like that. I know, but it's like when you go against these legit defenses, Houston, Denver, like, the thing with Buffalo is their inconsistency and kind of, you know, their weakness is their defense. Yeah.

So when you're going up against these elite defenses that I just mentioned, it's like, you know, do they have enough? Are they going to have enough to get to the Super Bowl? Because that's kind of the question with the bills every year. Yeah, I think the advantage. engine the AFC for all the teams. So I'm going to answer your question and not answer your question. The answer is yes, right? I think they're good enough. And I think partially is because of Josh Allen. And when you have a quarterback like that, especially if Lamar is not in it and Burroughs not in it and Mahomes isn't in it.

Like if that all plays out that those teams are all home for as good as Drake May is, Bo NICs, like these guys are, Drake May could potentially be the MVP. do any of those AFC teams really scare you? Are you saying, oh my God, how are we going to beat the 15 win chiefs? Oh my God, how are we going to beat the 13 win? Ravens? Yeah, yeah.

Not really. Not really. I think any of those AFC teams could be any of those AFC teams. I think the path through the AFC this year is vastly different than it has been the last couple of years where it was almost a foregone conclusion. It was going to come down to some comment. of Lamar, Josh Allen, and Mahomes.

Right. Seemed like everybody else was just playing, like, fun games. Like, yeah, it's really cool that the Texans made it. Oh, it's really cool. But did any of those teams really think that they were going to make a run to the Super Bowl? Not really. I think every, all seven AFC teams that end up making it this year, I think home, away,

whatever. If I was in the AFC, I would not be scared to play any of them. I'm probably not thrilled to play Houston's defense. Yeah. They are so good. Denver as well. I don't fear the advantage I have playing against Houston is I'm not like, holy shit, the defense is so good.

And I got to find a way to score 25 points. You might be able to beat them by scoring 13 to 17 points. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because it's not like NFC feels like it's what, the NFC West and the Packers. NFC is a juggerna. NFC is psychotic.

Yeah, it's like I don't want to throw the Niners out of it at all because of what they've done this year. But you got the Rams, Seattle, the Niners, and the Packers, I feel like are the ones that are playing high-level football. Yeah, even the ones that are... And then the defending Super Bowl champion and the defending Super Bowl champ, who, yes, have been a very weird anomaly as far as still could arguably be the most talented, not the best, but the most talented roster in football who just went on a playoff run last

year and won the whole thing. And they're like the fifth, sixth option out of the NFC right now on paper. Right. Yeah, that is scary. But for Buffalo to me, it's like, if you run into a team that can run the ball effectively and play a good defense, you're in trouble. That's where you get big trouble. That's where we get to. I mean, Houston, you're right, their offense, but like Bo Knicks, Sean Payton and the Devere Broncos, I feel like they might be from a playoff standpoint the most built to play in the playoffs. Until the Patriots go down, man. I like obviously they've had a weaker schedule when we talk about schedules.

We're going to get to see it this weekend when it's Buffalo Patriots round two. Now, but the thing that I don't know who I was listening to on the drive of his coward. He was talking about the Patriots and he's like, yeah, but they are not like really great at running the football. They're great at throwing the football, which is, I know Greg, trust me, I'm going to, I'll land this plan to where we can both agree. But when you get into the playoffs and you're playing in the, these stadiums in January when it's open that the weather is different it's freezing outside wind everywhere snow it's now more difficult to throw the ball down the field the way the patriots have it's like you have elements playing against you along with the defense as well that's what makes

me word for the patriots because you're right like the best team in the afc right now is clearly the patriots oh i agree i i i don't disagree or push back on anything you just say playoff football the formula for playing good offense, you know, just winning in the playoffs is very different than winning in the regular season. You've said that a few times on the show. So as I sit here and talk about the value of the passing game and scoring points and all that, in the regular season,

yes, when you look at the best teams year in and you're out, there's always going to be a couple that are like top five defenses and like middle of the road to bottom half offenses. The vast majority of the teams in the playoffs, every year are going to find themselves in like the top 10 of offense. Different years, there's different anomalies, but over large periods of times, it's an offensive-driven playoff picture. And then there's the couple wrinkles.

When you get to the playoffs and all the crappy teams are home and we're only left with teams that are for the most part good at offense, they're probably have a good quarterback. There's probably some element of a passing game. Now what is the differentiating factor to weed out the remaining teams? run game, defense, special teams, clock management, end of game strategy. Like, that's where all those things carry even a bigger significance. So no, I don't push back on any of that. I think running the, I think the way Josh out, I think the way the bills are built while

they're nine and four in the regular season and people are going, what's wrong with the bills? We're used to them having 13 wins. I actually think a worse regular season record as a result of the way they're playing. I actually think bodes better for them come playoff time because they don't need a hero performance every single minute and every play from Josh Allen and that's been their problem in years past.

The thing that going to the other team that just played, the Bengals, you know, those things obviously out of the controllables are like Joe Burrow every year, he's getting hurt. And you kind of go back to after his first season when he tore his ACL and they're like, all right, they have the top five pick. They should take an offensive lineman. They didn't take him to Mar Chase,

which is obviously played out extremely. me well. But every year he's getting hurt. He's three and one this year as a quarterback and their defense is terrible. Like as you're watching the game and just from your football brain, seeing everything on the field, how far off is that defense and is that offensive line from being like, okay, we can now start looking at the Bengals again as a team that we need to throw in the AFC consistently? Because every pre every preseason, it's like, oh yeah, these are the guys. And you less stuff the quarterback and Joe Burroughs clearly in there. But then it's always an injury that takes place and look how shitty their defense is.

Yeah, so I think offensively, I'm not saying the offensive line is great. They're average to blow average as a group. But quarterbacks elevate the ceiling of an offense, and offensive line elevate the floor. Right. So the better your offensive line is you just build up, okay, we're at least as good as this, whatever that level is. But when you have a quarterback and you have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins was great yesterday and you have all the skill and the ability to score,

you can outplay your offensive line. You can play above and beyond what they're capable of. I think the year that they went to the Super Bowl, wasn't he sacked like 70 times? Yeah, it was a most of the league. I felt like he was sacked 100 times. And that game, but that game came down to Aaron Donald. It couldn't protect the passenger because Aaron Donald was an animal.

So I say all of that to say offensively, I think they're fine. Now, you're paying a ton of money. to offensive skill players. And that's going to come at the demise of something else, right? You're going to have to draft really, really well. You're going to have to, when you draft offensive linemen, defensive lineman, you're going to have to play a lot of young players because you need some cheap contracts to offset the really expensive guys. And that's the nature of anybody who's paid a top top of the market quarterback. And that's anybody that has multiple highly paid offensive or defensive players, but traditionally offensively. So,

it really puts a ton of stress on your draft picks and those young D linemen and those young linebackers that Cincinnati right now has in the lineup, how fast and how good can they be? Because again, they don't need to be the Houston Texans defense. They don't need to hold people to 14 points a game. If they could, it's kind of along the lines of like Dallas, right? So I kind of look at them at the same portion. If they could keep their offense exactly where it is and just get middle of the road, be the 16th, the 18th, the 20th ranked defense in points per game, you're going to win a lot of games.

But you can't be scoring 30 and give up 32. And that's Dallas, that's Cincinnati. So I think that's all of their resources going forward have to be put on the defensive side of the ball. And that's easier said than done because it's going to mostly come through the draft. And you better draft really well because those guys are going to play. And if they don't play, you got no shot because you missed on your draft picks and all your cheap assets aren't good enough to elevate the game. And you just, it's going to be what they have now. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

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I'm not ready to. Sneaky. Sneaky. Sneaky team in the AFC. You think the Jacksonville and Trevor like the offense is playing better Obviously that'll be kind of the question mark Going into the playoffs

But they have what the number one run defense In football right now? I thought that was the Patriots They're top they're up there Jaguars are up there defensively stopping the run But Jaguars can be spicy in the playoffs Greg Yeah Yeah they play and it goes back to our previous conversation

I think every single team in the AFC Playoff picture enters the playoffs and going This thing runs through us Yeah, yeah. Man, heart goes out to Danny Dimes. Daniel Jones, bro. Like, I, when he's hitting the ground and you're hearing that it's an Achilles, like, I felt so fucking bad for him.

And that's just where the thought goes into my mind where it's like admiration and playing honorably does not eventually get you paid. Because he's out there playing on a fractured fibula. Like, he's tough. He's got this story. I personally, like, as competitors, you just love to see this quarterback. He's got something going on, but he's trying to make it happen because the Colts have a real shot this year. And then to go out there and see it go down like that and he ruptures his Achilles, knowing that it's got a, it's a compensation, like just knowing that all that played into it.

And you just see the emotion of him pounding the ground. He's on a, you know, basically a prove it contract this year. He was proving it this year. And to go down like that with an Achilles injury, you know it's going to be part of the entire situation when he gets paid next. It's going to be a hated for him, bro. huge part of it. It's awful. Tens of millions of dollars.

Yeah. Especially in the quarterback room. The good thing, let's play this whole thing out. The good thing for Danny Dimes is they trade away their first round pick to acquire sauce gardener. Yeah.

So by making that decision, you're telling the rest of the NFL, okay, we are going for a Super Bowl this year. That's what you're telling the rest of us. But what you're also doing is you're giving all the leverage to Daniel Jones and saying, you've proven enough to be our quarterback of the future. We want you to be our guy. want you be our guy so much that we're going to take this first round pick we have we're throwing out the window we don't have to worry about a quarterback at all in the drafting more because

you're our guy yeah we're going to get a defensive piece yeah now the situation happens he's I still believe he's I think he's going to be a colt next year I think he's going to have a hundred million dollar contracts to probably have a similar contract to sam Donald it's not going to be insane like you see like the mohams lamars all those guys but you're you're going to get yourself you know 110 120 probably could have been 150 stop me if you guys think i'm wrong wrong at all. I don't know all the contractual stuff with like, say, the top 10, 15 guys in the NFL. But, bro, yeah, like, I don't, you say Sam Darnold. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if it's going to be a Sam Darnold. Like, Sam Darnold still went, he went like, what, 14 and two last year,

whatever the numbers were, like had a tough playoff game, but he still went off and got broke off off because he played really well and finished. Like, statistically, he was one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Daniel Jones was for the first half of the season, had a couple Well, shaky last couple weeks because he's playing on a fractured fibula, a fractured leg, goes down with an Achilles injury, which is one of the worst injuries to have as a player. Like, I don't see him. I see them trying to figure out a way to take care of him and everything else, but make no mistake, they will be using that against him.

No doubt. He will not even come close to what he could have gotten paid. As we all sit here as all washed up athletes, Gary, I love your opinion on this. Obviously, there was a time when you were playing, you have an injury, and it's not your hurt, you have an actual injury where it's like, this could. long-term hurt you and you put the helmet on and you decide to play all those times you did that all those times you did that like did it ever do you think it paid off do you think it's worth going out there being tough for your team doing all the things that were kind of brainwashed as a

kid like toughness you have to be tough no matter what all the things do you think it's really worth that or the world we live in now we have to understand how much of a business it actually is and maybe these old heads that were talking to us when we first got in the league they were right all along It's a great question. And I sit here now, my answer is, of course, it was worth it. Yeah. Right? Like I think learning how to play through injury and learning how to play hurt and learning how to never feel great. I think that's a learned skill. I think you have to learn. I used to tell young guys all the time,

before you're able to play with a sprained ankle, you better be able to practice with a sprained ankle. By the time you play with a shoulder that's feeling crappy in the game, you better see what that shoulder feels like on a Wednesday and figure out how to get yourself moving and shake. and what break, there's an art to playing for long periods of time. There's an art to not missing games. People always say, oh man, you've been so lucky with injuries. Yes, you're lucky that you don't get catastrophic injuries, right? You break your leg, tear your ACL, blow your Achilles, shoulder. Like, there's some injuries that are just unavoidable and you just can't care how tough you are. You just can't play through them. But there's a lot of games missed by guys where I would argue they can play through it. Yeah, I agree. The art of learning how to do that is very different. Now, I had the

ability to play a long time. It's all very gray. It's all very gray, subjective. Like, yeah, you don't know, you, you don't know how this guy feels. Yeah. If every time I didn't feel good, and if every time I woke up not feeling my best, or every time I put on my cleats and my foot was sore and my ankle was sore and my head felt a little groggy or if every time that happened, I went to the trainer and got put into some sort of rehab process. I would have played five years. Yeah. So there's an element of luck.

There's an element of preparation, right? What you do to your body. It's not a coincidence that some guys do, some guys don't get hurt. I think there are some elements of it guys control. I think there's some elements that are completely out of your control. I do think there's a third element that guys are scared to really talk about. That I think you got to just learn how.

how to play with shit. And there's an art to it. If I told you the amount of things I've had injected, not with pain killers, but like we've all had tortell. We've all had cortisone, anti-inflammatory, like we've all done it. At least I'll raise my hand and say I've done it a million times. We're a total every single, every single game. I've never had a total. Now, I'll be clear, I've never had pain killers. I've never played a game on pain killers. I'm not judging people who have. I was in a different era. Early in my career, guys were still doing like, like DMSO and it was a little bit different. That kind of went away with the new CBA and all that.

But like, I never played a game on painkillers. I was never given pain killers. After my couple surgeries, I never even took them. Like, I stayed away from painkillers, but I've had cortisone shots in almost every joint in my body. I've had back injections. We're on Fridays. I couldn't stand up.

I'd have back injections and play on Sunday. Like, that's the reality of the game. And I wouldn't do it any different. if I had to go back, but I also had the luxury of playing 14 years, and I went 10 years without missing a game. I was very lucky in that sense, but I also played a lot of games where I was not healthy. I played games with broken elbows in a big ass brace, and I played games with a broken, like, you just do what you got to do to play,

and I don't regret any of it. Yeah, it is all very situational. Luck does come into the equation a lot. Like, it's like I'm proud that, like, I had a grade two PCL that I had torn. And I got back. Oh, PCL's the worst. And I was back, you know, I was absolutely everything I possibly could to get back. And I was back on the practice field, like eight or nine days was able to, I missed one game.

It was actually against Carolina when you guys came to town in like 2016 or something like that. I saw Greg Olson on the list. He was scared, Taylor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He had old Griggle. I don't know about that. Let me get out.

You know, to be honest, coach, not this week. I, uh, and you know, I was in a spot too where I was on a, what is it called when you? you were not a restricted free. I was an exclusive rights free agent that year. Since I had a practice squad year and another credited season didn't count toward my free agency, they had me on an exclusive rights free agency deal. And then the next year I was going to be a restricted free agent. And you're hopeful that they're going to admire your willingness to fight and get back on the field and hopefully it gets you on the back end. But playing those the rest of the season on a torn PCL, it's like there's one play against New York where we're

on a winning in game and Eli Manning hits up, puts the old index fingers together. I know what plays coming. They're doing a three flat screen. I'm mugged up in the A gap. I tell Mason Foster, hey, you run the blitz. I'll take the coverage in this assignment whenever we identify where they're blocking protection. I see Eli do this.

I'm coming as a three player. I'm going to be the one that chases this three flat screen. I couldn't break down good enough. I missed the tackle. They am winning the game. That's weighed on my mind forever because I look back and like, because I'm playing on the torn PCL, you're hoping it pays off. for you. They get you in a undrafted, restricted rights for age. It like it doesn't, it didn't

work out for me that way. But then I think about when I was trying to make the team on practice squad my rookie year and I have a torn hamstring and I'm just like, okay, Kenna Robinson has a torn pack. He's out for the year. He's on IR. Jeremy Kimbrough, the guy in front of me, he just tore his hamstring like fully grade three. Off the bone, yeah. Off the bone. He's out. It's my time to run with the twos. I had caught a grade two on my upper like right below my ass and it was fucking painful but if I don't go out there and play I'm never even playing the NFL so to me it's like there is this I guess like skill or whatever you want to call it then there's these unlucky situations where you think back on it's like damn I shouldn't have played on that torn PCL but all of my

entire mentality on playing with injuries it's like I probably would have never even been in that position anyway yeah so it is it's like uh what is this a phrase where you use the catch 22 I never even asked to don't catch a story. It's like I see what It's also It's a major career Yeah, yes And then others

My biggest regret So I say all of this That I don't have regrets I guess I do have one 2007 So I went from 2007 to 2017 and I never missed a game

2017 Week 2 I break my foot at home, maybe against Dallas. I don't remember who it was, but it was our first home game. I broke my foot. I broke my fifth metatarsal.

Yep. So it's a bitch of an injury. I have two scenarios. We thought we had a really good team and throughout we were winning. So there's two scenarios. You can go in and get a screw put in. And it's like a six to eight week recovery, which I'm always like, oh, I'm going to be five.

Right. Like we all think we're going to be the only one. Yeah, we all play that game in our head. We all play that game. or you can go in and you can get the screw and a bone graph and you're out for the whole season. So in my mind, I'm like, well, that's not. Why would I ever, you tell me six to eight weeks? I'm doing six to eight weeks.

Why would I do three months and miss the whole season? So I go, I get the bone graph. I rehab like crazy. And I come back and we make the playoffs. I wasn't particularly great movement-wise, but I was good enough to play the rest of the year. And finish the season, we lost. in the playoffs, but I was like, it was worth coming back to finish the year with the guys, right? I go all offseason, no issues with my foot, feeling better, better, better.

First game of 2018, I re-break my foot. Same foot? Same foot. I cracked. So the screw held. I cracked the bone on top and bottom, but the bone was held together by this screw that was put in a year ago. So I missed the next like three games, but they tell me as long as the bone holds, as long as it, once it breaks all the way through, you're going to have to get surgery anyway. You could try to play through this.

Well, we do everything in our power to get the bone to heal, bone stimulators, you name it. And I come back and through my rehab process, I get planter fasciitis. I'm playing down in Tampa and my planner explodes. It's like I stepped on a hand grenade. So I'm done now, seasons lost. I go now have a second search.

surgery on that foot. Bone graph, fix it. That foot never felt better. I developed some other foot compensation stuff on the other leg. Long story short, if I would have gotten the bone graph initially and missed all of the 2017 season and just bagged that, I think I play the entire 18 without missing time. I played the entire 19. And maybe I play longer, maybe the last three years of my career, I'm more productive, I'm better. Right. Who knows. But in the moment, there was no telling me to do the longer surgery to, like, worry about myself and not come make a playoff run.

Like that never even, that never was even an option. Yeah, man. When they kind of put these things in front of you, I like, in 2016, we were playing the Indianapolis Colts at the Colts. And this is, this is the first year I made, I made my first Pro Bowl. And I was, I think we're like halfway through the season. And I'm kind of, Greg, I'm on like a little bit of a tear, like no sacks given me, Jack Conkin as well.

Like Jack had like maybe one sack or like even no sacks as well. But we're like in the eighth week and it's like, there's starting now we whisperers like, we're turning around where we went from three and 13. Now we're going to end up being nine and seven. It's like, oh, fuck. Like this is a real possibility. My team is going to be like, you could make the pro bowl this year. You're playing like that.

So this is like all in my mind. We're playing the Colts. We slide the protection to the right. So I go from being man on this guy. They have seven up. and Marcus goes, hey, we're sliding all the way right. So I go and I take over the four eye and I have him and DeMarco Murray cuts the Edman on the line of scrimmage into my left leg, hyper extends my leg.

And so I hear like a crack and I like lay there and I'm like, no, is this what it's like to tear your ACL? And they come up, doctor comes up, does a thing. And he goes, hey, we think you tore your ACL. We think you're done for the year. We'll have to do MRI on it. You know, I get in the blue tent. We go in the locker and I'm like, this.

there's no fucking way that this is how it ends. I end up getting the MRI and there's like, I don't know what's whatever bone this one is, the big one. I have like a crack down it. And they're like, hey, good news, bad news. Good news is this bone has a hairline fracture down it.

The bad, oh no, that's the bad news. The good news is your ACL is, your ACL is actually intact. It's fine. Maybe to get a couple weeks off. Let's get this bone to heal up just fine.

And then we know, we can go with the rest of here. I'm like, there's no fucking way. We played the base. the next week and you talked about never did pain pills or anything like that i never took pain pills during a game but from week like eight to like i think we got into the wild card that every monday through saturday it was pop in a couple sundays i felt too uncomfortable to take anything like that

because i wanted to have my wits about me but it was do as much as you possibly can and it ends up working out that way where it's like all right made the pro bowl but like that detox after when the season's over yeah guys don't talk about that enough. Where it's like you, yeah, you put yourself in that position. I remember I got four or five days

where I'm like legitimate withdrawals of like shaking, uncomfortable. And it just, it sucks. But you go back to it. You're like, I'm so proud I did that.

Because if there's a piece of you, like week 12 when the boys are like, oh, I'm feeling this way. Like, you know, you're going to be like, you know,

I got like a hairline fracture. I'm playing on a broken, I'm playing on a broken leg. Like you're at the end of the year. By the end of the year, it's a compound fracture. Yeah, yeah.

And you're just, yeah, exactly. It's a big fist story, but you know. Like, oh, you, you rolled your ankle? That's cool. My leg's broken. And I mean, it's been broken for six, seven weeks. But yeah, you go ahead. If you don't want to play, that's fine.

Yeah, you kind of take that. You kind of just take that risk, man. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it's, again, it's like, Danny, when I heard that he had a, like a fractured, he was playing on a fractured fibula. The PTSD in my brain is I had, before I had my broken fifth metatarsal, Greg. It was at Nebraska.

And we were in this big time lineback. competition with a few of us in the same class. This is Levante David's first year as well. He's making splash plays. And I had a hairline on my, on my foot when I got x-rays. And it was like, hey, you could miss the opening week of the season. I was slated to be the starter. So in my head, I'm like, you know, you can't not be on the field or on the practice

field and let other guys get opportunities, especially when it's close because they can take it over. And so I go out there in the next week of practice. It was the Thursday kind of like jog through. It was just helmets before the first. before the opening game of the season. And it's just a guy jogs and runs a stick route. I plant below my fifth metatarsal.

I have to get the pin put in it. I'm out, I think seven weeks, come back for the Texas game. But by the time I come back from my broken foot with now a pin in it, Levanté David is Levanti. The Lavante Dave is now that we've seen the league that's played forever. He comes out first game, has 13 tackles, blows somebody up over the middle. I'm up there on a scooter watching from the press box just thinking,

and yeah, this job ain't going to be here when I get back. Oh, is that the worst feeling? Yeah, but it's, Levanti was such a stud. You just kind of, you might have these arguments in your head of, you know, if coaches might be feeling a guy, but hey, I know I'm playing better than this guy. That was one where it's like, Levanti, the way he slipped through blocks and everything else, him being undersized, it didn't matter. The dude, the tape kind of spoke for itself.

And it's one you can't really, you just kind of, you know, what role in situations am I going to get to play some ball? Yeah. You know what I mean? Dude, I didn't even know if you'd get hurt. But the fifth metatarsal sucks, man, with the pin. The worst. Yeah. I know.

It ended my career. I know we got to get out of here before we go. Yeah, I got a rock. Tampa Bay. Lose the Saints. I looked at that game and I was like, I'm not even going to watch. Just looked down on the shit. I'm like, holy shit, the Saints won.

Yeah. And so now like your Panthers are right there. They're tied. You think they're going to pull it off? No, they got two games against. They got two of their last four against. Tampa. They got two against Tampa, a tough game against Seattle, and against New Orleans this week. So it's in their, it's in their hands. Greg, you're the man, bro. Thank you for

appreciate you guys. For joining the boys. See you again next week. And I'll be watching ball. All situations I'm going to be texting to text you. Text me. See you, brother. Have a good one. Appreciate you. See you guys. I love that, dude. What a fucking guy. Just a good 30 minutes for all the viewers out there listening who want a football recap. Just hearing me will and Greg talk about how tough we were at one point in our lives just are old or are you injured are you hurt or are you injured and we didn't get to talk about this dude but i feel like the true path of an athlete like being a true athlete is the ability to compensate like you can be fast strong quick all those things but it's when these like issues happen in the foot and body like

gregg brought it up like when he had that fifth metatars or the second time he had other compensation issues great athletes have the ability to like compensate when other things aren't working the way they're supposed to do it so it's just i appreciate that that shout out man yeah i mean back in my think i don't even know how many injuries how many times i've been under the under the scope dude you said you had five surgeries in college yeah so my freshman my redshirt year uh my right labrum that's when i called the 12 anchors i broke my foot i had a perineal tendon removed i had to get a perennial tendon removed in my left ankle so both feet had been under the microscope uh pro day right after the pro day

I had to fly to Europe and I had a sports hernia. Tor my PCL, that never got fixed. Never had to fix that. I want to say that's one that you can kind of avoid. Like Troy Palomalu, I believe played on the torn PCL. And, you know, he was an absolute monster. But the torn PCL, I think that's, I believe that's it. Oh, yeah.

And then Liz Frank, Liz Frank, for I came to Tennessee. That was fucking brutal. The only surgeries I've had are an AC. and an ACL reconstruction. Yeah. Those are the only two. They were the death of me. But you just got a bunch of body shots.

I took a headshot. You know what I'm saying? But I had, dude, I got this thumb. I told you about this, right? We went to go see the doctor, wing cut her thumb. Yeah, yeah. So wind cuts her thumb and the doctor's like, yeah, it's going to be fine. It's not down to the tendons.

But what is that? And I'm like, oh, this little fish hook thing right here is like, buddy, you got to get that fixed. Like, that's going to be an issue in your wrist, eventually your elbow and shoulder. Like, it's going to be a big problem. So I'll get me to get a fixed right after the season. So I'll have my third surgery, fourth after my tonsils. But that's really it. You're going to have surgery on that after?

Yeah. When you say after the season, like you're talking about. After this football season that you and I are now on a podcast. We don't play anymore, brother. Hey. Is there a piece of you that still kind of feels? I don't feel like we're playing, but like my brain, our calendar still revolves exactly the way it did.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Calendar still always football. It's like, I tell a tale all the time. Like, hey, when the fall is over, she's like, sweetie, we're in. we're in wintertime. I was like, this is the fall. This is football season. So when the season's over,

then I can go do X, Y, and Z. Greg's talking about being the Bahamas. I'm thinking of myself, oh my God. That shit sounds nice. Yeah. I would love to go to the Bahamas. I'm going to celebrate with his wife.

Happy birthday, Mrs. Olson. I see what we have highlighted up here. Do we want to talk about that? I didn't really watch. I was kind of keeping up with the Titans, Brown's game. I thought, shoulder, what do you have?

Almost 400 yards passing, three touchdowns, rushing touchdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cam Ward had an unbelievable, incomplete pass. Yeah, mushing all down the ground. Top five incomplete pass of all time. A big one, though, that we haven't touched on, Packers beating the Bears.

Yeah. And, like, we've done so many takes every single week on ESPN. Buddy, called that one, didn't we? Yeah. Right now the Bears are sitting in the seventh seed. They went from the one seed to the seven seed in a matter of three and a half hours. Yeah. And that's just crazy.

You guys think that game gives, like, people are asking, are the Bears frauds now? I feel like that game kind of the Bears proved, yeah, they lost, but they proved that they're not frauds. Like they can hang with the Bears are not frauds. No, I agree with you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I was just going to say the Bears are not frauds whatsoever.

Like very, again, takeaways on defense. Caleb Williams has done a great job in the fourth quarter winning some games. Yes, he missed a big throw yesterday and everybody's going to break that play down and everything else. Bears have had an awesome season. But they are like statistically, you know, bottom, uh, toward the bottom of the list in the majority of categories defensively. Caleb Williams, no matter, like, the dude is electric. He spins a football.

Dude has a rocket of an arm. But also, statistically, one of the worst, one of the least accurate quarterbacks. He is the worst. Yeah, he is the worst. I know J.J. McCarthy. But again, when you're talking about inaccuracies, Caleb Williams is also there.

Dude's been, I saw a stat yesterday during that game watching that Packers Bears game. He's had, at this point of the game, they brought up the graphic, 33, unblocked pressures, sacked zero times. His ability to stay alive and his arm, his arm is unbelievable. Sometimes he's just off target. But they've had a great year.

It's just when you're watching it all unfold and you see the NFC as a whole, it's like the NFC West with the Niners, Rams, and Seattle. Then Packers, they are playing some really good football. They just have a really good defense. If you look at the Bears from last year to this year, that team, has gotten immensely better under Ben Johnson. Yeah. They are a very good football team.

Yeah. So are the Bears, frauds? No. In a sense that they're, I think they're a good ball club. The Bears are frauds if you thought that they were an elite team in the NFC. They're frauds. Yeah, they're frauds.

If you say, hey, the bears are contenders, I'm saying, well, then no, the bears are frauds. Yeah, yeah. If you had them in your brain, like this is a contender football team and you're so pissed about that game yesterday,

that you're just, you're upset with the quarterback, you're upset with that coach you're upset with all things Chicago like that's more on you yeah because I think that they've done a great job winning some of these tight games where they could have had no business winning those games no business and dude I mean the intangibles that uh Caleb william has are incredible like there's just things you cannot teach to just jump off the tape when you're watching him and he's like he's at 33 unblocked pressure zero sacks yeah that is a stat that I would I would print out and frame if I'm Caleb Williams he is he I yeah I think he's the most elusive quarter of

back in the NFL. Like, no one can really get to him. And his ability, he does, he's been ready, like, you know,

somewhat and he's been inaccurate. But he's getting better and better. And I think next year we're going to next year. They tune up a couple of things. We'll see how free agency in the draft goes. But we could go into next year thinking, oh, hey, the bears are actual contenders now if Caleb Williams makes this next step.

Talking about his elusivity. I saw a stat watching the game. I got a piss so bad. Keep going. Caleb Williams has, like five or six plays over 20 miles an hour running the rest of the NFL I think has like four yeah he's yeah he's electric to watch I enjoy watching him it's just again when you're talking about the division packers bears Jordan love is unbelievable yeah that defense is unbelievable yep he got Josh Jacobs

Watson gets going uh in their wide receiver group like they're they're they're going to be a tough football team the farther we get into the season and we've seen this all this kind of things happening with the Packers. And the conversation we just have with Greg, like the Packers are built perfectly for the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're built perfectly. Now they live in the world of the NFC when it's like, brother, I think we walk

into all these games in the playoffs and their spreads are like one and a half, two and a half. Like, it's going to be pick-ums all the way through. Like, I am so excited to watch these playoffs coming up. But the Packers do, what, they built the little resume, their ability to run the ball. Josh Jacobs had, what, 88 yards yesterday? Cracked off a couple of 15ers here and there. like physical get after it.

The downside to them is their offensive line, but they have weapons on the perimeter. Their defense is high flying. They go everywhere. They got Rashad Gary and Rashad Gary and Michael Parsons. Both guys, Blue Chip five-star guys coming out of high school. Obviously, we're both first round draft picks. Like, they are built for the playoffs.

Bill, I had to piss so bad. Close us out. Yeah, do your thing. I was just going to say, we're sitting in a nice pocket for some of the things we've talked about. We were on ESPN last week. and bears were going to make the playoffs. Sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars,

been saying it since September. Hey, not so much for college, though. You remember who you picked to win the national championship? Was it Penn State? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw it a clubbed yesterday. He said, you're, your national champion since it's still alive. I go, didn't Will pick Penn State?

I think I had, like, who did I have Penn State, maybe Texas, Clemson? Who knows? College football. No one gives this shit about college football boys. Not right here, not in this segment. I'm talking about something my old takes right now. You're joking.

Chiefs ain't making the playoffs. Broncos. I was talking in September, like later in September. Hey, Patriots going to upset the bills now. Patriots are going to win the division. We got that one sitting. Yeah, the sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars once again. Sitting in a good pocket.

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A little bit. Welcome back to Bustin with the boys. we are now doing the college football recap. Gentlemen, here we are. Sitting here on the bus Monday morning after selection Sunday. The college football playoff, it's lined out. The tournament is set in stone. There's chaos everywhere.

I'm sure there's a lot of things we can talk about. Conference championships, the whole Alabama-in situation, Miami-in situation, Notre Dame out situation. There is a lot to break down. G-5 teams. Two G-5 teams. Two very worthy teams. that one is dogs by 17 and a half,

the other one's dog by 21 and a half, definitely deserving of being the playoffs. Let's give them a round of applause. Shout out the G5. Congratulations to JMU and Tulane. But a lot of conversations to talk about where do we want to get started? We got the boys on the bus,

JP, Jack, Garrett, Clump, Sherman, Mitch, all college football sickos. All I'm sure have opinions on this weekend. We get to break it down right here. Let's whip through these conference changes. championships real quick. Do you want to start with the one we were at? Yeah. Hey, getting to do the alt-cast. Buddy, round of applause. Do you mind? Go ahead. This was one of the most fun things that I have

ever been able to do with you. It was, it was just awesome. Like, G, Jack, clump, like, we flew in the way we flew in on a private jet. And then this bus comes in and picks us up. And these three dudes shared one room together. We are such a back. backwards business. It's insane. But like you guys, the three of you, I mean, we'll get in the everything, but you guys were so extremely helpful the entire time. We're helping with the waters. Hey, anything you need. Hey, you might mind holding this. Every break you guys are coming up to us helping us out. Clump. You yelling at the bus driver to stop only to know, find out that he was actually taking us to the right spot the entire time. We'll get into all that. But like,

dude, you, the three of you, the three of you, the energy, everything like, it's so incredibly helpful in these spots because I'll speak for myself but like you're living in this world of nerves and you're kind of always playing like how this thing's going to go and you're playing things in your hand you guys kept it like kept it fun like grabbing the coffees like being as helpful as possible

it was massive cold coffee and then getting the call from Pat McAfee and ESPN to say hey we want you guys you two dumb idiots we want you along with the well-spoken Josh Payton Harry Douglas to go and call this alt-cast and SACC champion

not on ESPN Plus or ESPN 2, but the actual ESPN, where every swing and dick in the world who has basic cable at least can thumb through their channels and it'll pop up where you will see our faces. Dude, it was awesome. Yeah. It truly was incredible. It's surreal. It's like I had put up a post.

Like I wish I could say this was a dream come true, but I'll be honest. Like when we started bustling with the boys and everything else, like doing something like this has just never even been a thought in my brain. Right. And getting to do it and getting text from my brothers and doing. dad and family members and people in my close circle and just Wyatt, my youngest brother, just being like, like, what the fuck you're, you're going to be doing an all cast on ESPN? That's insane.

Insane. Yeah. It's, it, dude, it is surreal, man. And we're on the sideline. It's me, you, Josh paid Harry Douglas, getting to sit there and shop it up with guys throughout the, throughout the game, Sean Alexander, Brandon Spikes, Quavo, Jalen Walker, just being in that, being in that stadium for championship Saturday, Bama versus Georgia. it's just surreal and it's like uh i never want to i never want us to take these moments for granted

because we are not doing we are not even in these moments without the support of everybody that tunes in everybody that's watched and followed from day one the support and love was awesome after like getting to your phone and seeing all the messages seeing all the uh mentions on social media but we are not doing that unless we have the support of everybody out there the tier ones absolutely everybody that's helped heighty us up along the way and we've like stumbled forward and ended up on ESPN doing an alt cast for the SEC championship yeah and it's just really cool we're not here like we're not here without you guys grinding every week without all the fans leaving comments all the time just how

we've been propped up to be on get up this year and do the altcass and just everything we've gotten to do crossing paths with Josh Pate this year has been unbelievable for us that's such a crazy perfect alignment yeah and it's dude I'm thankful. It's like gratitude. I was very nervous. Jack, he got the video of me before the game where I'm like walking. I'm like talking out loud. Like my prep this week has felt like I'm getting ready to play in a game. My feeling at the hotel when we're having our dinner that was super important on Friday and I'm kind of thinking, man, I want to get to my room. I want to be able to think about these things before we do Josh Bates' live show and they get back and be like, okay, I want to

put on some more prep so I can set myself up for tomorrow morning. When we're sending down there having coffee and talking shop some of the things going on my head i got the paper sitting right there trying to still study i have no clue how it's going to go and i had those that excitement and those nerves kind of mixed together at the same time going on to that field then having the little botched dry run we got to walk through that we got to walk through that it was unbelievable all the fans we got to meet there like all the dogs barking guys like pull up my phone and take videos and they're all performing for the video taking selfies with everybody it was unbelievable man Dude, and walking on the field in Atlanta at the SEC Championship and like equipment staff is there.

Coaches are starting to walk through and people just like coming up to us being like, yo, I love your shit. Like, and you're just like, oh, for real. Like that tie-ed number seven, lucky for Georgia. He's like warming up. Like we're kind of staying there. Like it hasn't started like this is like the warmest before they go back in and then come back out. And he takes a moment out of his warm up as I'm like turning a corner and he's like, bro, love watching your show.

And I'm just like, it's insane. that people, it's always mind-blowing that people watch. And he had a big catch on that pump screen. Yeah. And yeah, you were getting all hyped about that screaming in the microphone. Dude, it was amazing. It was, it is so funny after hearing Will's voice. I'm thinking this motherfucker really was just screaming the whole time.

And I, during the game too, I didn't realize that, like, I'm kind of, I'm talking the way I am right now. And Will is, we are the big one here. It's second and seven. And I'm thinking. I never crossed my brain that that was until Josh brought it up on the flight back. I'm like, oh, this dude really was screaming the whole time, which is just like, Charles texted me laughing.

She's like, Taylor sounded completely normal and you're just yelling. You're yelling the entire time about the A gap. Yeah. How weird is that when you're like talking to a game, you can hear the crowd getting wound up. And you obviously feel like, oh, I got to scream into this microphone. And really, that's what the microphone is for is to pick up your voice. It's like a couple things. One, it's very loud in those ears.

Yes. Oh, it's very like, you can't hear anything else. You can, like, feel the crowd, and you can hear all the noise coming in from everybody's microphone. So you feel like you've got to be a little bit louder. But also just being immersed in the game and, like, talking to the game, it's like I'm sitting there. I was like, I felt like just a linebacker trying to call that football game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody makes a pop or a big hit or makes a play when Bray Hubbard made a play on that first series.

Just getting to say that my favorite terms, like piss and vinegar, egg, blood flown below the belly. We start talking about the... Special teams porn. We like start talking about the all white team. Like that kid, you know when he gets drafted, we know a team he's going on. We'll kind of smile and giggling ourselves and all like a tier ones are laughing at an inside joke. When you said the special teams porn part,

like you like died off at the point because you know if you were like the special team porn. And in my head before I said special teams porn, I'm thinking do I say porn on this broadcast? You just say, hey, what just happened on that play needs to be age verified if you're going on a website. Yeah. Like that is, dude, it was awesome. It really was.

And I'm like excited, but there's a piece of me that, you know, when you do something one time, it's like the next time you do it, like all the things that kind of caught you off guard, you're like, oh shit. Like, I knew walking into it that there's four of us talking about a football game that all have football knowledge. Like the lift is not as big as you think it's going to be. So like, it's not like one guy's calling the game and you're giving all the color on it. Like, Pate's calling the game, but also all four of us are going to talk about what we've seen. So you're talking like not as much after. every single play.

So I wasn't nervous. I was more excited. Like, man, I, like, it's like high school football excited. And we go to do the dry run. And Caitlin's in our ear. She's like, hey, what's going to happen is we're going to go. We're going to do the dry run. And then a few minutes later, we're going to start the broadcast.

But let's just make everybody feels comfortable. We're going to run you through what we're going to play on the screen. You can do that. And so we go. And for more context, too, for everybody watching and listening. The dry run, we were doing it 10 minutes before we went live. Yeah, 10 minutes. They had the monitors out there.

We're going to do a practice. run it's going to be like we're going to talking about our key players we're going to run on the monitor you guys talk through your 25 seconds each so we uh so first off was like harry douglas talking about zachariah branch which played out perfectly because he really was a massive piece of george's uh game plan and then josh peake goes on tim keenan and then my whole thing was about the offensive lines and the different type of offense that they're going to run and then will but will went before me so flip that will when to talk about gun of shock and then i was the last one to go about the two offensive lines and and how they're going to win the

game. Josh goes smacks the shit out of it. Like true and true Josh paid for him. I've never heard that man say um or stutter over anything. He's a pro. He's a true pro. Harry Douglas. He's in his RG3 bag doing the fun stuff.

Then Will starts to go. And I'm so excited. I'm like, Gunner Stockton is the most important player in this game. And I talk about this is a guy that's been in the Heisman conversation all season long. He can beat you with his arms. He can beat you with his legs. And you look at what Alabama did to him last time. and I stopped and I paused and I stared

and I tried finding the words. Too many words were coming through my head. I couldn't get it together. I couldn't figure it out. And I just had this long pause to probably last. It felt like an hour, but it was about four seconds. And then I just look up to the crowd

and I just go, practice run. Practice run. And at that moment right there, dude, I started shitting myself. All three guys crushed it. I don't know. But hey, listen. After you went,

Josh just started to like go into the whole thing and Caitlin gets over and goes, hey, Taylor hasn't done his thing yet. And then they're like, run it back to Taylor. So after you have your thing, I know, like, it's fun to, like, laugh at you or me

when we have, like, a brain fart. But, like, when you have the brain fart, my brain's like, you're next, buddy. And she's like, Josh, you've got to get back to Taylor. So Taylor can do this break down. That was our practice run. There's no other opportunities after that. Like, we didn't go back there.

Let's start from the top. None of that. So we're just kind of sitting there sitting there. We're going to be straight. We're going to be good. Fortunately, it worked out because I was, I was like kind of sitting there. I was like, man, I'm sure people like,

is we're going to be able to hit this? Is it going to happen again? I'm thinking, is my brain going to happen again? Buddy, you got this. Just own the moment, yada, yada, yada, yada. Fortunately, it all worked out. Dude, you crushed it at the beginning of it. And then I think it, like, my personal feelings about it was, like, it took like the

first half of the first quarter for us all to kind of settle in. I think after every play, all three of us, oh, you, me and Harry, we're all kind of trying to find a place to say something. Like, we're like, you know, trying to take the show on as if we're doing ourselves. And then, you know, right after the first quarter, and I thought it was very smooth sailing from then on, especially in the second half. Yeah.

I felt like we all kind of got into a lane where it's like, you see something happening. We kind of feel each other's bi-language. There's a couple times I'd tap you. I'd be like, hey, I'm gonna, I have something to say. So Josh was finished and I would go, Harry and I would do the same thing. It was, it was sick, dude.

And even when the game kind of was out of reach and at halftime, Harry and a couple people, like professionals were like, we got to really hope that Alabama scores. Otherwise, this is going to be, it's going to be tough to go through. Like, we got to that, like, last, you know, four or five minutes of the game.

And to be honestly, podcast Moe kind of just hit over for us. And I felt like that was like the most comfortable we were with sitting in the, this game's over. Let's have fun about it. You want a great game just for the viewers, people tune in there. We got a close game in the SEC championship. But yeah, the first quarter, I felt solid in the first quarter because it's just three and out.

So there's big place happening defensively. I talk about the old A gap. Talk about O'Bray Hubbard, C.J. Allen, the linebacker. I remember when I was hyping up C.J. Allen. and it wasn't C.J. Allen. My apologies, actually. Hand up. That was not C.J. Allen.

That was so and so number zero. That might happen a few times this broadcast. It really seems playing. But dude, I mean, you get on the bus after. Clumps yelling at the driver again. And we're sitting there like, I'm going through. We can get into the driver stuff. We could hit all the college football stuff.

We could save the driver, the lure with Clump for our bus and intro. But we're sitting there after the broadcast, dude, and you go through obviously as all of us do after our game and you kind of like you hit your mentions see what's going on and it seemed like for the most part other than a couple of one or twos it's like overwhelmingly positive reviews and it's just like man it felt good during

you had fun doing and then the person who it's for seem receptive to it like couldn't have asked for a better situation it was fun man it really was how'd you guys how'd you guys enjoy I guess we can save that part too for the I know we got a college football we got a college football break We got a college school. Before we do, this isn't like new news for us.

But every place we go, the strength staff and like the equipment staff specifically always shows out so big for the boys. The Georgia guys let us throw the ball around before the game. I was kind of nervous asking about a ball too. I know. And they're always like, nah, not. But they were very gracious. They let us throw. They were cool after the game.

We was dapping up all of them. I just had an idea. We can kind of linger on it, think about it. But maybe for next season through either the spring, fall or the whole year, I think we need to dedicate an award to the best staff in terms of just for the vibes. Yeah. For the equipment staff.

Maybe we can like get a T-shirt made with them specifically for them because they're listening. There's guys that they're listening and it'd be a fun thing where each school we go to, you meet with the equipment staff and they show out. Not saying they need to roll out right carpets, but it'd be something cool for these guys who clearly are a fan base to kind of like have something to throw them. The most under the year. Yeah.

The most underappreciated group. giving them doing something that props them up. But bro, truly the heart and soul of every single team. Like these guys, every single day, they're picking up dirty laundry, sweaty shit, cleaning it off and making sure everyone's locker is ready the next day. They're the first ones in the building when they go for a game. They're the last ones to come out. They're usually driving back.

Not all of them are going on the plane with the team. And they just fucking love it. Like Georgia, Alabama, equipment staffs guarantee they will die for their team. Indiana, Ohio State, and down, all through these conference championships, they are every moment of the day talking about what could happen and that and they have their own little groups they go out together

have their softball games and all that stuff like it is the heart and soul of every single team every single team and what were we got to add? Georgia players were iced out the equipment staff well one kid during the broadcast

they scored those you dab me up I got dapped up by an EQ got ball boy over here we're feeling good about it and again before we dive into college football just you guys know on the broadcast they showed the the the the New Year's Eve six, the New Year's Eve six, the pick six, Nebraska, Georgia.

So after the game, when the competi is about to come up, they're about to do the ceremony. Coach Bobo, the OC, comes up to me. He goes, Will, I'm Coach Bobo. I'm the OC with Georgia. He put both of his hands on my shoulders. And he goes, do you remember your interception in the Capital One Bowl? And I go, brother, I was just getting to talk about it on the broadcast. Yes, I remember that intercept.

He breaks down that whole fucking point, dude. X is nasty in this situation number three. I was like, here's your problem. It was 100% on the, the X crack screen for the running back. And he goes, yeah, but we got you on the counter with old girly there in the second half. I was like, yeah, you did. Yeah, you did that. That's all to you.

But I thought that was so sick that coach Bubbo. I was like, oh, man, you were on that staff back then? Dude. Just a little side note. At a halftime, some younger kid probably, you know, 13, 14, 15 walks up to me. Kind of nervous. And I'm like, yo, what's up, dude? How you doing?

And he's like, hey, I'm, I don't know if it's Marty or what his first name was, but he's like, I'm a coach smart son. I was like, Kirby's smart? And he's like, he's like, I love your guys, a show. I love watching every single look at my bro. Thank you.

We got to get Kirby on. If we can't get Kirby on. We got to get his son on. Yeah, we'll get his son on. That's what most of the boy should turn into. Don't get the coaches on. Get the coach's kids on. Yeah.

Coach Smart's kid. Yeah. Kiffin's kid next. Yeah. But the game itself, obviously Georgia, massive blowup by Georgia I mean that was a great game you kind of walk into that game

and Georgia was favored but you start to read into all the things about how Kirby Smart's record versus top 10 teams is like amazing and only those few losses that sit there are all Alabama and he's one and seven and can he get the monkey off of his back or what you kept calling him the Grim Reaper Alabama being the grim Reaper to Georgia

I mean Georgia fans were betting on Bama to win the game yeah I bet hey who'd you take who'd you take on fans? They'd be like, I took, I took Bama. Like, oh, you're not even picking. He's like, listen, if it takes me to lose money to try and defeat this monster, like, then that's what I'm going to have to do.

Yeah. And it was just, Georgia came out the way they came out in the second half of their first game. A lot of man, they pressed them. They brought the fight to Alabama, and that's the way they won the game. I mean, Ty Simpson, future friend of the show. Like, the kid's sitting there right before the game, dapping us both up. he's doing the joke about keeping it high and tight. Like, dude, he was awesome about it.

Uncharacteristically bad game for him. I mean, it was like under 50%. I think he was even under like 45% completion percentage at the end of it all. But Georgia just took a hold of that thing from the get-go and just ran through it. Garrett, I love to know where, like, where your mind was during this game. Because at the end of the day, like, do conference championships really matter?

Like, we're really trying to win a national championship. That's what I'm ready to get into. Yeah. You know, Baple to and they won. to hear this college football breakdown. There's a lot to be said. No doubt. Obviously an unfortunate outcome for the tide, but to be there for a bus and trip,

you guys already said it was amazing. I am officially 0-and-2 when vlogging Bama games. Oh, that's true. So we got to keep that in mind moving forward. We'll make some business decisions when that gets presented next. But it was so fun. Like when we did that lap on the field before, you asked me you were like is this not sick for you and I was like yeah I mean this is insane like

yeah whenever you get to watch your ball club like that close it's just it's just an awesome experience so appreciate that um yeah dude when that block punt happened it was like fuck bro I know how this goes that block punt sparked the entire thing bro 83 yeah take the ball off the foot untouched so that was that was brutal um I immediately hit the group chat I was like that's the only seven they're getting. Yeah. Interception. Right.

Yeah, that was tough. Hey, sure, too. Stat sheet and, go ahead. Can you look up number 83 while Garrett finishes this? Because I want to shout that kid out,

bro. Yeah, Kirby Smart is post-game press conference shouted him out. Good. He wasn't even on our, he wasn't even on our production sheet. You know, you, uh,

what's crazy is the person that plays that position to pick that block up, L.T. Overton. Out. So new kid, new assignment. Yeah. No, no excuses.

No excuses. Kid got back there untouched. But yeah, when you allow a team like Georgia when they were, when they're peaking to start with the ball on your side of the field, every time they touch the ball, you're going to have a long day. Yeah. Dude, like watching that game, you sit there and you're like, you watch how September, October, November kind of unfolded for Georgia, where they just kind of sat in the shadows

for a while, not really covering a whole lot. They're down at half more times than not. and they've just progressively gathered their momentum. They keep moving forward and they get better and better. It's like they might be walking into this, the scariest team in all the playoffs right now, especially what happened in the Big Ten championship. They started the season injured and are now healthy.

Right. And you see what's happening for us. What's happening for us started healthy. Now it's kind of dwindling. But I mean, you said it. Like, does the game matter? Like, yeah, I think it matters a lot. We didn't move.

that was bizarre man i think it's that that was kind of a um we kind of all expected that way i'm not surprised but that i think it's still bizarre i do think i do think this i think that if you win your conference championship game you should be rewarded above a team who lost theirs so i do think indiana should be one georgia should be two yeah and then ohio state three i don't disagree at that. You know, you should be rewarded for winning your conference championship. At that point, though, like, really, when it comes to 1, 2, 3, 4, as long as you're 1 through 4, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't. Because by the time you get to the games, you're going to play, they're neutral sites, and it's really about what color jersey you're wearing. And you have three and a half weeks regardless. Right. Yeah. So, like, to me, it's like, one is no different than 4, other than we get to wear our main colors, you know?

True. At the end of the day. But, yeah, I agree with that. I think Georgia probably should have jumped up to 2 and then a hostage to 3. I don't think we need to go through. Let's hit the conference championship games real quick, and then we can get into this. This is a whole bag of,

like you look at, and it can be very quick. Like the doomsday scenario that we wanted, that we kind of wanted for the chaos to take place took place, right? Like Duke goes overtime with Virginia, they end up winning that game. That's incredible. I saw an amazing.

Watching the coach and the kids trying to break down, we're a playoff team. I'm just like laughing. I saw, I saw Sherm's post about an ACC commercial but the bobbleheads it's like when it goes to the playoffs and I was like yep should be a fun one yep and it's I'm thinking myself

I understand what they're trying to do like you're trying to make sure that you're the ACC as representative and you're going to playoff there was never if you're Duke and you're a fan of Duke and you're watching this show and you're like fight for Duke buddy there was never a chance that you guys were going to make it in the playoffs

never nothing could have taken place but listen that was awesome to see because you love the chaos and we'll get in the playoff bracket in a second. It's like if you want to change, these types of things need to happen for it to change. Yeah, I want to Duke to win so, like, you know, you knew Duke, I want to Duke to win so two G5s went to the college football playoffs

to, like, punish our overall outlook on how the playoff gets set up. Because you see, and once again, our Big Ten Championship, Indiana, Ohio State. I think we were all blindsided by that, that victory by Indiana. We have to, Kurt Signetti is the best coach in college football. Do what Signetti? has done at Indiana.

And look, I've said, you know, Nebraska played him last year, so I was nasty about him during that week and then, you know, kind of trolled them. Totally fair. But what Kirk Signetti has done at Indiana, they were three and nine before he came to town. It's the first time ever they've had back-to-back double-digit win seasons. The first time they've won a conference championship since 1945. Yeah. I mean-

losing his program in college football history. They were, but now Northwestern has passed them. But, like, that. Got to be sick of your North Carolina. Western. Yeah, because of Signetti. Big Nettie. It is incredible what Indiana has done in Kurt Signetti. Dude, that fucking smirky had walking off the field. His post game was Mike dropworthy about being humbled. He was like, I got three and a half weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, and I saw a graphic that was talking about the different and talent that both teams had

going to this game. Like, this is the biggest separation of talent we've ever seen. Like, I think Ohio, I said, 67 blue chip guys, 11, 5 stars and the rest 4 stars. Indiana had 0 5 stars and 7 4 stars on their team. And that team with no 5 stars and 7 4 stars beat 67 blue chip players. I mean, dude. But the way Indiana has played this year, it's not to give that team and all those kids credit, it's like each category, Indiana was ranked above them statistically. and a lot of these categories going into the game

with the schedule Ohio State has kind of had all year. So as we were getting closer to the game, I'm like, man, I remember we were talking to the car. I'm like, I feel like nobody's really been considering Indiana beating Ohio State. Dude, I was sitting there. The line was at four and a half, and it's like, who knows what's going to happen?

Like, this defense is for real. They get to prove it against an offense like Ohio State, and they went out and did it. I expected more points. I kind of did, too. I expected more points by Ohio State for sure. I thought I didn't know what Indiana really was. What this tells me more than anything is like,

you, Oregon, they're a bit of a beast too. And they're going to have enough time to kind of sit their way to get a little tune up with GMU. So they don't have to have that little bio week. They kind of seemed like it would hurt them last year. And it's like it's hard to be a team twice. They can see each other again. It's, dude, it's going to be awesome. Yeah.

Yeah. So Indiana wins. And by the way, Fernando Mendoza's post game. Body. I threw out that tweet. Robot. Fernando Mendoza's Kurt Cousins on cocaine. Yeah.

Like the dude is can't miss. They even look similar. The dude is can't miss on a mic Anytime pop's up me and Charles sitting there she starts laughing because it's like her first time seeing Fernando Mendoza speak on a mic And I'm just grinning ear to ear like this is exactly what I wanted Him talking about super glue in the team

And wrapping his hands around the reporter's mic to do the super glue Just his movements, everything Between his post game and then Duke's coach post game Who was more cringe? Part of me was like I loved Fernando Mendoza people, I saw a lot of tweets people hating on Fernando.

I personally love it. I hate, I mean, I obviously hated it because, like, we lost, but it's like, you can't, you can't knock the love for the game. The passion that he has, like, that is him. Like, that's his authenticity. Like, the Duke coach, you know he's sitting there lying through his teeth, talking about we deserve to be in the playoffs. Yeah, he sat there with his team and he's like, I got to say that.

Yeah. All right, I guess we'll go in there. Let me go fight for the seven-win regular season team. Seven power for victories. We lost a five good teams. did Fernando was real like you got Fernando Mendoza

that's what I loved and appreciated After beating the number one team in the country Being undefeated Also Nashville Pod Bus with the Boys Got a shout out Nashville guy

Charlie Becker On Indiana Their receiver Yeah He went to Father Ryan Matt Malone He's claiming that they were best friends Of course he is

Of course he is Yeah But that kid was going off Yeah Yeah B for Nashville, Tennessee. Let's go, dude. It's crazy.

These kids watch, man. He just goes back to us walking around the sidelines. A dude's like dapping us up, loving the show. Pye Simpson being all about it. In the Big 12 championship, BYU got blown out. I think it was 24 points. I think we all expected and wanted that. Yeah.

I mean, you knew it was over when Jacob Rodriguez was on college game day, and it was $250,000 from hit the crossbar after Diego Pavia did not a couple weeks ago. And he binks that thing, no problem. Had a swag and a walk about him with a mustache. And the neck. The neck is crazy on the kid. The arms, the quads, the entire build for that linebacker. I just want to, I just want to get my hands on it.

Jacob brought me. I just get my hands on you for a second. Just back, buddy, I'm fired up for you in the league. If you could go to the combine and pretend to be like a medical physician just to put your hands on them. Feel the quads a little bit. Walk in and got a mask on. I don't look at this kid, dude. He's got a two head.

He didn't get a forehead. That's how full hair, how much full hair he has. Yeah. Like, I'm just gonna feel your quad. Feel your quads for a second. Make sure you don't have any strains. Look at the Jersey, the trap movement there, dude. That guy's never going to sting on his life.

He's got a Wilcofton neck. But he's got a 2012 Wilcofton neck. Yeah. He's got his neck is bigger than his head. This kid is fucking unbelievable, man. It's a good-looking young man. Good-looking young man. Married boy, too.

Married. Yeah. Where do he come from Virginia? Look at that. Are you kidding me? His wife is a badass, too. She's a black hawk. Black Hawk helicopter, like pilot.

Of course she is. She's so badass. Wouldn't have had it any other way, Mitch. This kid, we got to get him on the pod. That's what Jacob Rodriguez deserves. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, imagine him going back when his 20-year football career is over,

goes back to Texas Tech and just runs that show. Yeah. God bless. Look at him. So what were your guys' thoughts on the college football playoff? What were you guys' thoughts on the college football? playoffs. Like the rankings and stuff? Yeah. Like how it worked out, the chaos that ensued. Again, I was- Pull it up, I was fired up that Duke won because it's almost like, I don't believe.

We all, it's like the G5 team's getting in. It sucks. You want the 12 best teams. But it's almost like to punish us for this system that we have. I think with them getting in, I don't really understand why Notre Dame was so puzzled why they weren't in. Because they don't know the rules. And if I'm a Notre Dame fan and I wasn't being educated by Josh Payton and being in this world as much we are this year, I would have the same exact view. Yeah. But they just don't know that this is how it happened. This is how it goes.

Because I'm watching it and everybody's complaining. I'm just like, well, no, this is, there's two G5 teams and y'all lost to Miami. Yeah. Notre Dame got screwed, bro. I saw their. Because of the G5s. Because the G5s. Yeah, a few different angles.

Miami should be in over Notre Dame. That's, it's clear. The only argument to that is, who do you believe is a better team right now in Notre Dame or Miami? and the answer to that question is most likely for everybody going to be Notre Dame. But other than that, if you put schedule up against schedule, common opponent wins versus common opponent wins, head to heads, it's all in Miami's favor.

And that's just the reality. They're more deserving than Notre Dame to be in the game. I saw a tweet, and I don't know if you retweeted or something, but I think after this year, it's like written in the contract of the college football playoff. Yeah, that MOU, to where if they're ranked in the top 12 going into the regular season next year, they're an automatic bid.

I don't think, I thought it was at the end of the season, not going into the season. I think it's at the end. I thought, they start off at 11, they lose, they go one and 11.

We got to put them in though. Yeah. G5 now. Yeah, this is from Ross Delinger, a newsy wrinkle from Bavakwa, whatever. As a part of an MOU signed last spring, Notre Dame is assured at CFB Perth

if it is ranked in the top 12 starting next year. The situation unfolds next year, the final at-large team, Miami, would have gotten bumped for number 11 Notre Dame. Which is there would be a legitimate argument for Miami fans. They're like,

what, the fact that they have a special rule because they're not in a conference is the most insane thing. And then I think it's also bitch-made that they're not playing in a bowl game. Yeah, I think I can understand everybody's angle.

The competitor, it's like, yeah, it kind of sucks that they're taking their ball and going home. But if you're also Notre Dame on the highest viewpoint, I would be livid that we got left out of the college football playoff.

I'd be livid as well. live it because you look that's why I had the tweet yesterday it was insane to hear Hunter on behalf of the committee talk about how we watched that game yesterday with BYU you that's why they never really had a shot they were never going to be in the playoff to begin with I completely understand it people like will you don't understand that Bama was was already in the playoff bYU wasn't in the playoff I get that to me it's you're talking about what you watch on the field and that's what pushed them back at ranking what you watched on the field in the SEC championship was the same exact thing. And they went full protection mode on Bama and the SEC, which again, we know the

powers that be the SEC, ESPN, all where the money's at, you don't want to piss off your biggest, your best product. They were never going to move Bama. So in my opinion, you're either going to move both BYU and Bama back a slot, which again, Alabama is still in the playoff, BYU is still out of the playoff, or you're going to keep them both right where they're at. But the problem was they fucked up putting Notre Dame so high in Miami so far back to begin with. because they knew they had to manipulate the system to get them side by side, give kind of the nod to Miami over Notre Dame because they beat him head to head. But that's all they were trying to do.

Because the way that my man was up there breaking down each conference game, I'm like, yo, this is unreal hearing him talk about BYU like this, and then fully protect Alabama because it's like, you either just keep them where they're at or you move them back a slot. I thought that they would move Bama back a slot based on that performance. Because again, if not, it's like these conference games shouldn't mean anything. If nobody's going to move and there's not going to be a whole lot of movement, movement, just take the conference championship games out of it.

But that was where I was kind of like, dude, I would be livid if I was Notre Dame. Because if Bama does the same thing, Bama is still in the playoff at 10. But now Notre Dame, you have to flip them. Notre Dame has to be nine. So they're never compared right next to Miami. At the end of the day, I do think both Miami and Notre Dame should be in over. We have two G5s in. That sucks.

But they're going to sit up there and say it had nothing to do with the ACC representation. To me, that's complete bullshit. Like that's why Miami's getting in. Put Notre Dame in any other position. Put Notre Dame, say Michigan's 10th and 2 in Notre Dame spot. Any team in here, if your team is what Notre Dame was sitting at, they're all getting in. And Notre Dame's in the ACC, they're playing in the ACC championship because they only have one conference loss compared to Miami's too. Again, everybody's been begging them to get in the conference.

People are happy that they're not punished for not being in a conference. I get all of that. but Notre Dame in any other situation they are getting in that college football playoff so I would be absolutely pissed I completely understand why they're removing themselves their rights they don't want to help out X, Y and Z I get that from a high level from a competitive level it sucks it's like you want to go put the ball down anywhere any place anytime people say bowl games mean absolutely nothing so there's really no upside to playing in a bowl game anyway I get all of it but I would be livid if I was in the Notre Dame camp

yeah and again if the majority thinks there's the better football team, you put the better football team in the college football playoff. You can't put the better football team in over the more deserving football team in. Can't do it. Yeah, I get it. That's what I personally want G5s. I want all these deserving teams to like, okay, we want the best, I want the best teams going in the college football player. I don't disagree. Because right before the selection Sunday happened, they're at a minus 3,500 to get in, like everything, they're favored against basically every team except like three teams. Like they had a top four shot of winning.

this thing. And it, I hate that we're not seeing the 12 best teams. After Bama lost, the way that they lost, and I get it, they earned the right to be in the SEC championship. But what we saw, the way they lost, the way they've kind of hobbled in at the end of the year, beaten South Carolina by seven, surviving against Auburn, getting whipped like that in the SEC championship. To me, I was saying it on the broadcast. I put out the tweet. I'm like, put Notre Dame and Miami both in because they both seem like they're the better football team than Alabama. Okay, you can't disagree with the fact that Alabama kind of limped themselves in the SEC championship. If you take Alabama out of the playoffs, the SEC would fucking lose their mind.

It would be like the SEC is the highest earner for all of college football. We know that. We understand that. They are not going to take out another SEC school because of it. That's not going to happen. I don't know what you, you said so many words. You talked about BYU for a second. BYU was never in the playoffs.

They might have been ranked 11, but they were never in the playoffs because when everything sort itself out, these G5 teams had to be in. So unless you're in that 10 slot, you're actually not in. Like 11 and 12 for kind of placeholders for the ACC championship taking place or these what ended up being the two G5s. So if you're BYU, you had, it was very black and white. You win, you're going to be in the playoffs. You lose.

You are out of the playoffs. It'd been very interesting to see BYU win that game to see what happens with Alabama, Notre Dame in Miami. But if you're Alabama, it's like, you've earned a luxury to playoff. in this game that Ole Miss that didn't have and who was in Oklahoma and A&M. And A&M. So three teams

weren't good enough to get in this game and you're going to take out a team that was good enough to get in this game. That makes zero sense. All I'm saying is I... To me this is a week 13, but it's like it's exhibition. Like whoever wins, they get to hold up a trophy. They get the banner. They can get the confetti.

The other team, hopefully we're not injured because the real journey is about to begin in a couple of weeks when we go for the playoffs. people that are mad that Alabama is still in it. It's just, buddy, two things. Money and you're never going to punish a team for being the second best in your conference. Again, I'm not like- To that game is the number one seed in the SEC.

Yeah. Right. We all knew that that wasn't like Alabama wasn't going to be out of it. I'm saying if you're looking at just what happened and everything else, it's like, you know, just put Notre Dame Miami. I get that that was never going to be the case. They were going to keep Miami in. And I know BYU is not going to be in the playoffs.

but in those situations, those rankings still matter. And the system essentially just had to figure out a way to manipulate to where this Notre Dame Miami conversation had to take place or saying, hey, they had to head win. It's like you needed an ACC team in. And also like you're up there talking about how BYU, the way they perform, that's why their ranking drops back. To me, it's like, I know BYU is never going to be in it. I'm not arguing they should have been in it even with a close loss.

but them holding true to that 11 ranking when Alabama didn't move down either to me that's where I was like guys just say you messed up you messed up and you had to figure out the system to get Notre Dame in Miami we messed up by making Notre Dame so much higher in the very beginning when we opened it up

we fucked up by disrespecting Miami's ranking at the very end we never talked about their head to head the world exploded over it and at the 11th hour you had to just figure out a way to manipulate it a little bit to get them head I would rather just hear him say hey we messed up from the get-go versus being like BYU the way they lost that's kind of why their ranking goes back one or they were never going to be in play

I know they were never going to be in it right but then fully protecting yeah fully protecting Bama versus being like again if you're doing the same thing to BYU moving back one Bayama is still in with going down to 10 right byama still in with going down to 10 you would just it would make that argument that much harder for Notre Dame to me that's why it's all I was shocked they didn't move Alabama down one spot to keep Notre Dame in it helps your case if you're the committee say okay they're still in but we did punish them by moving them down you did reward Notre Dame but where they messed up is what you're saying like three weeks ago yeah they did the bracket is where they started this chaos yes yes agreed 100 this this issue came week three of college football when you had Notre Dame still in the

AP which I know AP in college ball playoff bracket are two two different things Notre Dame loses two games in a row I understand those were two highly ranked teams, but they're the first team, and I don't know how long we can obviously look it up, that Notre Dame stayed in the top 25, knowing good and well that this brand, this logo, and South Bend, Indiana, what they've been able to do for college football, we need to get in the playoffs. Hopefully, these other two teams, they lost you, stumble, fall, and get one more loss in Notre Dame desks.

We know that they're probably going to win the next 10 games in a row. That is where they messed up is the game of assumption. Now, the BYU thing, I don't know why this guy sitting up in a press conference going, well, because of BYU lost by this. much. The easiest answer is, hey, they were never in it. Like, based on the rules and how this whole thing is structured, even though these two teams, this Tulane and GMU that you now see up here, they're in, they were always in.

These 11 and 12 guys in 13, 14, they were all placeholders for what happened in the ACC championship. That's it. The only way BYU makes it in is if they win the, uh, the big 12th. Then Miami's also out. Miami would never in and then, and then, because the college, The college world playoff is built to have the SEC winner, the Bay 10 winner, Bay 12 winner, and the ACC winner. That is how it's built.

But because the ACC has the most insane schedule with a billion teams in it, and none of the good teams actually played each other. And they fucked around the whole entire year. Now the committee found themselves in a spot they never thought they would be in. And so this is what's great. A lot of people can be pissed about this. If you're Notre Dame, feel free to be mad. If you're Texas, feel free to be mad. The people I feel most bad for is Vanderbilt.

I said it. I'm the only one saying it. However, it sucks for you guys, that you're not in this playoff. Going down the road now, the only way for real change to take place is when catastrophic things happen. This would qualify as a catastrophic thing happening so that the next year, the college ball bracket is more, hey, the best 12 teams. Now, the answer to that question to me, even though I would love to see it, the answer is not to make it 16. That is not your answer because you're going to run in the same problem with 16 through 18. And then there's going to be the JMUs and the two lanes who are good football teams, but they're not competitive from winning a national championship.

I think the easiest and clearest way. And this, a shout out to Caleb Ingram tier talk. He did want us to break down how we would fix the college football. Okay. So, okay, well, here we go, Caleb Ingram. To me, and this was not my opinion. This is opinion that was given to me that I'm not saying. Like, that sounds really a well way to do it.

As Josh Pate goes, why not make it? You have to be ranked in the top 15 to be in the college football playoff. You have to be a top 15 team to even be into it. Now you don't get into this JMU-2 Lane world. Miami, Notre Dame, like, now you're kind of sniffing out. These are the best teams. Because I believe, and somebody has to correct me if I'm wrong, you can't leave out a G5 team in the cultural playoff.

Am I correct in that? You're not allowed. It's literally legislation has to be changed. If something has to happen from a government standpoint, that's way above me to get that finished. So, and then, oh, this is a good one too. There's another tier talk by Demote 61. Go ahead, Will.

I was going to say to add to. that too, in my opinion, you do away with championship weekend. Because I know, big time money, but I loved listening to Kirby Smart breakdown his even argument for, he knows he won, but he also did some

he also did some work for the SEC. So for BAMA in this situation, he's like, you guys, SEC's going to have to play nine conference games. He's like, you guys just witnessed a ninth game in the SEC. Everybody's going to be going through the nine conference games and the SEC is deeper than everybody else.

And he's like, then you're just going to get, if you do a championship game, you're going to get a 10th SEC game. Yeah. And if nobody, like, if nobody's going to, if these games don't mean anything, like if Bama gets worked like that and nothing happens ranking wise, nothing really happens ranking wise for, you know, Big 12 or everywhere else. It's like, why not just throw away conference championship weekend? Get the playoffs started earlier. Get it done by a new year's. I think. Yeah.

I think, yeah, exactly. Make conference championship play in weekend. and you have the spots 10, 11, and 12 open, and then you have 6 teams. Those three winners are now your 10, 11, and 12. Dog, I would absolutely love that. Like that, I would love it. That is, I feel like that is.

And that right there is money everywhere. That's money everywhere. However, that's your answer. But now you're splitting money, right? Because you have ACC playing Big 10, who's playing Big 12, plays SEC. Now all these conferences are getting a bite at the Apple as opposed to their own Apple alone,

like the SEC Championship, big 10 championship. I, listen, If we're talking about purity of the game, I love everything we all just said. But we all know the powers of B. It's all about that De Niro that ends up happening. That's why bowl games are still happening. I'll touch on this real quick because I know we've already moved past the subject.

I have zero issue with Notre Dame taking their ball and going home. Zero. I think bowl games are done. I told G. last year, when Alabama played Michigan, I was like, bro, this game didn't matter. Like, we won. And that was great. But like, half your team sat out. And less of our guys sat out than your guys.

And the weather happened to work out for us. I don't care. The most important thing for bowl games for me are those 15 practices because you get your to set your kids that early enroll. You get to get them into an extra 15 day practices and now you're looking towards the next year. Yes, I feel bad for the marching bam and the baton girls and the cheerleaders. Everybody who's like, oh shit.

Yeah, seniors who are like, oh shit, that's my last year. That was my last game and I didn't even know it. My heart does go out to them for that. That's exactly what I was going to say. But from a competitive standpoint, there's zero like the days of. like Vanderbilt the way they took the any time any place anywhere like that whole thought process that is now that is caveman thought process we're in the world of how do we get into the college world playoff if we're not in the college role playoff how do we make our team

better through the transfer portal and recruiting process to get to the cultural playoff none of these coaches give a shit they probably do give a shit but no one who is an actual competitive team like a notre dame sitting on that side or like a texas that are like in that we should have been in the playoffs we have a argument in our mind that we truly believe we should be in the playoffs no one they don't give a shit about the bowl game they want to look to next year to get you hear sark talk about the bowl game what do you say he was all he was gratitude he's all about they can't wait to go out there and compete against a team like michigan i love it that's great that's perfectly said to the to the public you should absolutely said it clock lee about it too i love that

that's all that's what that's what vanderbilt should absolutely say i'm saying the shit doesn't matter anymore we all know it doesn't matter anymore you had so many teams drop out out of bowl games that nine, five, and seven teams were offered bowl games and nine said no until Appalachian State said yes. That's crazy. Crazy. The world's changing. College football is changing.

Now, we can let the snowball effect continue to take place where it just gets bigger and bigger and worse and worse to where the actual product itself goes downhill or we can fix it. ESPN this weekend last week on get up. Josh paid the way he was talking about the biggest problem is the schedule. That's how you. you fix most of this. You can still play your bowl games and have all that.

Have fun kids that are outside the playoffs. But like playing games would have happened this past weekend. The first round is coming up this Saturday. I love the play in weekend. I love December football. I love December all cultural football. Jan 1. We're finding out who our national champion is.

If you're saying that bowl games are, they don't mean anything. You take those, like Mitch is saying, those teams that are on that bubble. This play in weekend is now, sponsored by those bowls. So like your sugar bowl, whatever those big ones are.

So you're playing. So you still get that De Niro that you're talking about. Yep. Have a chance for the play in. Try and make everyone happy by getting competition on the field to fight for a chance of the playoff. Also, you have all those major companies that sponsored the big bowl games. Make their De Niro.

I just don't know why we're not moving towards that. Maybe they will. And the viewers. I agree. Going to more teams, you're going to run into an issue where, where okay, so now you want the 24th best team in? Well, that's happening right now with JMU.

Yeah. The viewership, I think, on these two will be... You can make money still. Massive, and you'd still be able to make all that money. Could you imagine teams playing for their... I mean, college football is exactly what this is, but you're playing for your winning get in. Like...

Yeah. Any college football fan would love to watch those games rather than like the fucking random-ass ball that nobody gives... gives a shit about. Imagine watching Miami versus Texas. Imagine watching

Vandy versus BYU. Vanity versus Texas rematch, but I'm thinking about the different conference. Yeah, like the thought of like other teams playing each other

neutral site, that's a neutral site, right? Then the next, I think the next two weeks after that need to be whoever the higher seat is. That to me fires me up.

Have your national championship in a neutral site location that is always in forever will be fair to me. I think you just solved it. Yeah, either way. I don't disagree.

I mean, does anybody see any holes in that. No. Comment section. You need to speak up because I feel like we all just kind of spit it there. We're in a spot. We will never forget this year of the bracket, the college football playoff.

I think it's going to create an urgency to fix some things going on. Yeah, dude. Chaos. Chaos. You got Clark Lee here. No one's fault except our own. We had our opportunities and we didn't do enough. We are not victims in this process.

Our ownership is in coming up short. Listen, Clark Lee. Like that quote right there, that's. exactly what you want in that building. I don't have, I'm, I, I, I'm, he, you don't give a shit about bowl games. Like, we're gonna, you guys are gonna go play it. Guys will sit out or not sit out, but.

And we had it. Even the product of, the product of, the product of bowl games are crazy too because all the players, all the players that are going to go to the draft, the thing that you buy a ticket, you're like, I can't wait to watch this player play. Well, that player that's playing, he's not there. He's going to be in the portal or he's going to be going to the draft. I think the coolest part about the Clark Lee statement is it came after Notre Dame

took their ball and went home. I'm telling you, this is a massive war going on with conferences and Notre Dame's independence. Yeah. But yeah, I agree with that. Because if you take, if we're, if say we're in the scope right now and we're talking about Clark Lee's quote

coming out after Notre Dame, let's make this about Clark Lee, him being in a conference in Notre Dame. Because Notre Dame is continuing to fight for their independence because every person who's mad, bring up the tear talk, uh, Sherm. We have a tier talk here from, uh,

from D. D Moat 61. Notre Dame can join a conference or shut the fuck up. Hashtack to your talk. Again, anybody who can be in Notre Dame's position to have their independence, they would want that. And what everybody that's part of a conference is doing is being like, hey, this is how you get punished when you're not being in a conference.

Because take Vanderbilt. If Vanderbilt had Notre Dame's record, schedule everything, and they're part of, I know they played a bunch of ACC teams and whatever else. But if Vandy had that resume, Vanderbill would be going in because they wouldn't have lost to Bama. They wouldn't have lost to Texas. Like, one point to Texas A&M, we lost to a tough Miami team.

They would be in, like, in that situation, if it's not Notre Dame, it's somebody in a conference, those teams are getting, that team would get in the way Notre Dame finish on a 10-win winning streak. Notre Dame ideally has the right situation. Right. But they, like you're saying, are getting punished for it now. Right. It's like they're on the wrong side of it getting pushed out of it.

Be like, hey, man, you're not part of a conference. And Notre Dame should, if they're want to keep their independence, they're trying to do the right thing strategically to continue to hold their conference and not. not bend the knee on joining one. Yeah. But all right, listen, you're taking us out of the playoffs. We all know it was absolute bullshit. And we're going to, you know, we're going to sit out of our bowl game.

We're going to know that we had this, this part of a contract sign that gets, if we're part of the top 12, we're going to get an automatic bid. That's crazy. We have a very easy schedule next season because they do. They're going to sit there and talk shit. We're going to kill everybody that's in our way. Like, yeah, you got an easier schedule. They have it set up.

I understand people hating Notre Dame. I understand the argument for Notre Dame. There is a bigger war going on with all. this conference talk what happens bigger war looks like you found out what the war was yeah maybe we're breaking it down a little bit i'll keep diving into my reddit to my reddit to my reddit uh language later on today and figure out what's happening next year now that using texas oahu state for example that first game of the year no one's going to schedule that anymore well you start sarke actually talked about that he said we're going to honor our games with ohio state in michigan because

i mean they went up north and played both those like yeah you bring your asses down here to austin texas now right he's in honor those two after that there's no promises which which is a bad thing for football. It's a bad thing for football, but it's an understandable, strategic move. Yeah. And it seemed like Nebraska was a little ahead of themselves also,

because we sat here, what, June, July, when Nebraska's like, we're not playing Tennessee in the regular season. Like, why would you? Why would you make it harder on yourself if you have a logo and a conference that'll be like,

we're going to get in? So when that happens in Notre Dame is the 12th team, like what if they're not the 12th team? Because now Ohio State's playing ECU instead of Texas. And so the Or Texas is playing a smaller team.

Exactly. The stronger teams in a conference are going to have that chance to drop one extra one. So Notre Dame, you can play Samford. Like, you're going to play all these teams. So Notre Dame. It's not going to help you against.

It's not going to, N.I.U. Yeah. Yeah, Northern Illinois. Your resume is not going to help you get in that 12th spot. True. Now, we're Notre Dame sitting at now, like in the AP, they're in the top 10. College rankings, they're in the, what were they?

Who knows? Either way, the first one out, whatever. By opting out of a bowl game, they're not risking anything on having a bad performance. So that way they'll go into the rankings next year preseason with a loaded roster, one of the best recruiting classes year in and year out. They're going to be their position with an easier schedule. They take their out of that schedule.

I mean, they're clearly going to be in. Here's what Notre Dame hat. They will if their position in like the top 12 coming out of the gate in season. And then they win all of their games. Like they're not going to. So you would put a Notre Dame, say they had one loss next year, one loss Notre Dame's schedule in, or rank them higher than an SEC Big Ten team with two losses. I have no clue.

It depends where they start in the AP poll. It depends who they lost to. Here's what Notre Dame is going to do not Google me in a Notre Dame hoodie. Right. Because if Notre Dame opts out and they have the big recruiting class, a bunch of guys coming back, obviously Jeremiah Love, he's probably going to know the NFL. If they're going to be ranked in the top 10

and their schedule is very easy next year, then yeah, it's in their hands. What is going to be an issue is if Notre Dame ever plays a difficult schedule and they have themselves sitting in that 13-12 area and if this war is still going on the way we think the war is going on, then you bet your ass the committee's going to have them at 13. People are saying for Notre Dame to get back at whatever, again, whatever war they were fighting right now,

they would try and hurt the ACC by scheduling games, some with the Big Ten because of their rights and everything else. I have no clue, but people are talking about all the strategy Notre Dame is looking at doing currently since they've been pushed out of the playoffs. Their schedule next year is horrendous, by the way. The two best teams they are playing are Miami and USC. You could argue for SMU. I feel like the question people aren't asking is,

since when do Catholics pull out? Hey, I got so blindsided by that. I know, I thought he was going to have some serious. I was like, oh, man, a different perspective. Damn, I can't wait to hear what this is. And I was like, but yeah. Listen to everybody too, talk about. Like in Catholicism, we can't use contraceptives.

What are we doing here? Yeah, that is, that's funny, Jack. That's why they hate USC. Another thing two people are talking about was how the Tuesday show of dropping the rankings every week, kind of like, you know, looking back on it. It's like, hey, you should have just done away with the Tuesday ranking show. because had we know nothing and selection Sunday happened yesterday

I don't think anybody would have been surprised that Miami would have clipped Notre Dame that will not happen because of money it's just bro if you're gonna have a every Tuesday for the last three four weeks everybody does not like waited for Tuesday oh I've loved every minute of it

spoiler I did not watch one but I'm sure a lot of people out there are like oh man I gotta fucking see I'm just waiting for the little graph to come out but oh shit you know yeah yeah well then it brings out the whole tinfoil hat discussion of this playoff essentially being owned by ESPN. ESPN's hands on the conferences. A lot of people are saying if Virginia had beat Duke, Virginia's in, Notre Dame is in as well.

1,000 percent. If Virginia wins and Notre Dame's in because they need an ACC team because ACC would have, I mean, hell would have broken loose. So they're like, what is the less of all the evils. Piss off Alabama, piss off Notre Dame, or piss off the ACC. Let's piss off the independent conference

or the independent team that we have been trying to bully into joining a conference and not just ESPN, Fox as well. A lot of these conferences are wanting Notre Dame to join their conference.

And what network is the ACC with? ESPN. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. It's... After we did the old cast, you go talk like this?

I'm just saying, man. I got to be a man of the people. But that's what people are arguing is that this. Excuse me, Bob Iger. I want to apologize for my friend Wilcofton and the things that he have said. We love the CFP. His opinions are not mine. But yeah, that's crazy.

But it is crazy. And a lot of people are saying that ownership, it either needs to be by multiple entities so that there's not this kind of behind the curtain conversation that the public is then never privy to. And they won't ever come out and say, hey, BYU was never going to make it. They'll never have an explanation of why. And say they have an ACC representative was never part of the conversation. Oh, yeah.

Come on, man. It's crazy. They chose to piss off Notre Dame instead of like a JMU or Tulane. But I can't. No, you know, legally you have to have them in. But like if you're going to now's the time to fucking rewrite. Right. But I'm saying if they were to do that, like that is actually, it's illegal.

Yeah, that's what I kept saying. Josh Payne kept telling me that this is actually illegal. The rule is the five highest ranked conference champs. And that's where those two fall in is because of them. And like that's the rule that's legal. But it's also like in legal writing that at least one G5 has to come. I think committee is absolutely everybody is like, yes, it's kind of sucks that we have two G5s in this college football player. It does.

But when they get mopped and I hope they do, no disrespect to the G5s, I hope they get fucking mopped. So we can all just sit there and be like, Kayla, time to change legislation. Because here's what the G5s, and I know I guess I've caught a lot of heat from the Jurassic Park thing. And it's like the opinion doesn't change. Like the truth, the truth doesn't care about your feelings in the situation. Like your schools aren't built to compete with the top 12 teams in college football.

They aren't. And the world we live in now, you're a stepping stone school to get to the next place. G5s are holding on to Boise State versus Oklahoma fiesta, Fiesta Bowl. That's what they're holding on to. And if a G5 is undefeated and they're mopping all the teams their conference. Hell yeah, put them in.

This seems like a team that can actually make a little bit of a dent. Let's see what happens. Then put them in, absolutely. But to have... What was a good? Huh? Boisey State last year was good. What happened to them?

I mean, they didn't get blown out by Penn State, but they obviously lost. They was never in question. But they earned their way up there and they were ranked a certain way to where you hit the metrics of, like, being in the college football player. Boise State's only lost it last year was like by three points to Oregon. Yeah. They had the best player in college football. football with Ashen Gently.

So like I feel like last year, Boise State was warranted to be in it. This year, J-Lane and J-A-A-A-V. Yeah. I don't disagree. The G-5 is like undefeated, whatever.

If they're in the top 15, they've like earned their way into the college bowl playoff. But doing it this year just feels like it's like, okay, let's put a, the champion of the CFL now gets to be the last seat in the NFL playoffs. They get an automatic bid to the NFL playoffs.

It would be fun for that argument, exactly too, the playing games. That is a perfect excuse for the playing games with those G5 teams. And you have some like fun storylines to follow and underdog story. If you, if you guys are who you say you are and you love chaos, you'd be rooting for the G5 teams to win in the playoff. No, because ultimately I want the 12 best teams in the college football playoff. You don't want chaos. No, we want chaos in the sense that we're sitting here right now after the chaos we've wanted to unfold.

The reality is, is like these G5. We the chaos we want well I'll speak for me the chaos that I want is for what exactly what happened so that change is made Because at the end of the day I would love like the way we just put together This playing thing we get that we get on national championships on Jan 1 Like that's college football season then the portal opens Jan 2 Like which doesn't it already said the point the transfer portal yeah Buddy I cannot wait to see how this transfer portal takes place as I think about though JP you might be on it something that's what I'm saying like for any G5s you know

JMU 2 lane you're out there watching this right now Willie C's kind of up I'm here to get recruited make that run I'm not if Tulane starts winning like they be Ole Miss which could happen you know lane's gone and they make a little run you guys would hate that no no no no lane wins their first game I will be in two lane gear the next week hey oh hey same thing same as like listen I don't think they have any business being in the playoff if either of these teams win i am 100% wrong take all my opinions throw in the trash and i will also be in whatever gear wins so keep the playoff the same way then if one of them wins is what you're

saying no we'll have that conversation later the only other thing that bothers me with like all of the rulemaking of college football i hate when we that we have to sit here and say oh no like it's it's written into law like we have to take it to court i'm like why man this is college football right What are we doing? One, even spending tax money on, like, having this be something that we're paying for. Two, it's just like the greatness of college football is in the power of the people. They're taking the power from the people. There's so many things that are backwards.

You're like, why is the committee full of ADs? Right. Like, it's like. But you have a bunch of ADs who I'm assuming some of them are probably working through coaching changes. There's one very good AD who's on the committee. There's one very good one. Dude, like you're going to tell me you're the AD of a school your coach has left and you have to hire a new coach and then they're like, hey, do you mind how I'm taking five, ten minutes, put all of your energy into the college football playoffs?

That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. You want 12 individuals and Josh Payton the room or 11 individuals and Josh Payton. I wouldn't mind if they kept Troy Danin, AD from Nebraska. He's on the committee. I think you need to have people that understand ball. You need to have number people and people that understand football. You need to put them into a room. A sole focus is what is the best thing for college football

Who are the most deserving And who are the best teams be the top 12 teams You can't be having these people that are fucking 80 years old Watching football as if they know what the fuck is going on They could let's not just take shots at all 80 year olds out there bro Like there's some dudes or sickos You didn't meet Josh Pate's dad Yeah

You didn't meet Josh Pate's dad Like we're my favorite people Josh Pate is the way Josh Pate is because of Josh Pate's dad Like I'm sure he's a fucking legend Yeah, so But I'm saying these people Yeah, so 80 year old Like there could be some cats out there

Still to understand what they're talking about Listen some I would love to be in the room I'd love to be in the room with the committee Would love to sit there and have these types of conversations The combination we're happening right now Is how I would hope The committee is having these types of conversations

Right No, it's not. They're looking at a computer screen and they go Makes sense But our interests are X, Y, and Z Let's move these two couple of things How much money is that team going to bring it? All right, put that thing.

Yes. And then you get a couple of sickos like us to go sit in the room and be like, hey, listen, this is what the world wants. This is what the world needs. It should take two or three days to, like, change a rule in college football. Yeah.

What's the worst thing that happens? You mess up, dang, we missed on a football game this year. Let's fix it. Yeah. That's what I don't get. Like, hey, implement Doge to college football players. Like Duke wins, and then immediately, we'll just say group check.

The group chat of the committee gets hit up. We got to get a rule in over the next 24 hours. I don't even know how a group chat works. What's that? He's in there so old, I don't know how the group chat works. Oh, they don't know. I mean, Mitch hates old people. That's figured out on this show.

I love my grandparents. The average age of college football committee, playoff committee is 61. I don't think that's bad. Again, I don't have. I'm not disrespecting my elders whatsoever, Mitch. If you want to disrespect your elders, go on ahead. disrespect my own.

You've already have. We've already crossed the line. These guys are like 80 in there. Whoa, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Should we hit a couple of tear talks?

Do we feel good? Is there any other things we want to talk about as far as college football goes? Oh, Klump, go ahead with it. Hey, first off, don't ever raise your hand like that again, man. Like, you wanted something to say that. You put that. He goes like this. He goes, he hit the shoulder on me.

It's like, buddy. Fucking put it up there. Heism and trophy. Do we want to talk about that at all? It should absolutely be Diego Pavia. Thank you. It's going to be, hey, odds really shifting toward Fernando Mendoza. No doubt.

Fernando Mendoza's going to win. To me, it's DeGovia. But it's going to be hard. If you're a massive Mendoza fan, you saw that post-game interview. Look at Mendoza. Interviews shouldn't win you a trophy. Mendoza stats are just disrespectful to the Hizman Trophy. I think Mendoza is a great player.

Interview great. I agree. I'm not disrespecting him in any way, but he is on an elite football team, an elite coached football team. There are top five in rushing, top five defense. He hasn't even thrown for 3,000 yards. He's going to win the Heism trophy. That is a disgrace to the Heism trophy.

It should absolutely be Diego Pavia. Yeah. Oh, here we go. Stats since November 1st. Diego Pavia has thrown for 1,494 yards and 12 touchdowns. Fernando Mendoza has thrown for 1,057 yards and only nine touchdowns. But that's not even, I mean, that doesn't even include the run game. Yeah.

Touchdowns and rush yards that Diego has. It's crazy. And the way that Vandy's just been playing as of late, it does suck that they, that they're not looking at a playoff opportunity. Yeah. So if Diego had one more game to prove himself, what do you think would have happened?

Right. That's a great question. Like, if the SEC, if these championships, if these conference championships don't matter for the playoffs, then we shouldn't have any weight in the conference championship players playing in their stat line to go into the Heisman trophy. Correct.

It should have stayed, okay, this is the sample size you have to work with. now we go in and give out the Heisman trophy. I agree. I think we could fix college football in this class. Dude, I mean, that's a great point, G. Like, if it doesn't matter for the teams, why does it matter for the individual player? Yeah.

Buddy, we fucking did it. You could have the playing games, too. It's crazy to think, right? Like, we really kind of figured it out today. It's really not that hard. Playing games need to happen. If playing games happen, Diego Pave would be another game for a chance

to show that he's the Heism trophy. And his stats are already, above and beyond everybody else's. He has almost a thousand more yards than Mendoza, by the way. Totally yards. We need that graphic made clump so we can continue to push for Pavia. Yeah. I will.

And I'll do. Again, I hate hating on Fernando Mendoza because I actually think he's a good player. But against Oregon and Ohio State, 218 yards passing one touchdown, one interception, his average against top teams. That's,

he had a good third down throw, though. Let's give him the high. And listen, we're talking about a highsman and drivetta. Like, Fernando is a good football player for help of very long career in the NFL. I have a lot of respect for him. Hope someday he comes on the bus.

But if we're talking about who should win the Heisman trophy, it's like this is a year where we're talking about who, but we don't know. It's probably going to go to Fernando based on his odds right now. It should just clearly be Diego's going to win this. Clearly, he's the guy that should win the Heisman trophy. Or if you want to get crazy, at least Jacob Rodriguez, like at least mix it up.

Yeah. Like that to me would still be, I'd be part of them. He threw a couple of those I intees though, right? Yeah, that's where you got to put him down. I got to put them down. But them quads. But those quads, man But I'll tell you what, the reason why

Diego is not going to win this Has to do with the logo, but it's also his process Off the field. The way he handles himself off the field It hurts him in this And that sucks to say it because it should only matter what you do on the field. It's all the UFC fights, man. Hey, yeah, Jack, who you got for the Heisman? Fernando Mendoza, man.

My Heism winners hugging women in wheelchairs. the other guy flexing at USC yet again so and hey good for him I hope I hope he has a long I wish we were at that UFC fight else after this but look what show was there people are discrediting the Rely Quest Bowl too like that's awesome for Vanderbilt like that's a huge game so congratulations to the Vanderbvreth Commodores uh Tennessee's in the music city bowl Illinois big one who y'all playing your 50th music city bowl yeah we got it for the that'll be a good game in 10 years. which is great.

It'll be fun, but, you know, sucks for him. Yeah, Nebraska's about to beat Utah's ass in Vegas. Dan Pier. Nebraska making some moves now. Are we going? Fireed the old line coach. Fire the coordinator.

I ain't going to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire the old line coach. They got in an old buddy from Georgia Tech, who's been known to have some good offensive lines. Did you guys see James Franklin hired Brent Pry back as the defensive coordinator? Yeah. That's pretty good time.

He got fired. He was like emotional about it because they coached together before. When he took the job, Franklin was emotional that they fired him because of what he built there. So pretty cool that they brought him back. Yeah. And cool, too, that they have a good enough relationship, him and the school, Coach Bryant in the school. Yeah, he's, it was kind of a probably an easy transition for him to go back. Dude, Botech.

I'll tell you what's going to happen to, like, with Penn State. Like, we're going to look back in two, three years with the signing, the class that they've had with. They sound like two guys that stayed there in the hundred. as far as recruiting class. They fell off a cliff. Virginia Tech took everybody. I can't wait for three, four years when those kids are seniors

and Penn State has found themselves back in the top 25 and how cool the story it's going to be what Matt Campbell has done with Penn State and resurrecting them. Because it's going to be bumpy for a couple years now. It's going to be bumpy. That was a good hire though.

Yeah. Knowing that they were kind of botching the entire thing. Good hire, according to Josh Pate. Do you have any more tier talks? And then we can wrap. I do. One moment. Get featured on the show.

Use hashtag, Teer Talk. This one is from John Zanaboni at Johnny Z 93 at Wilcompton, hashtag tier talk. Dear Nostradamus, now that your four-year prophecy has come true with the Chiefs not making the playoffs, dynasty isn't over just on the sabbatical. How many years will it be until your prediction of Nebraska making the college football playoff? No, here we go.

I love the schedule. Look, we are. Their schedule is a juggernaut next year, right? got a tough schedule next year. Let all the blacksmiths, let all the common men know in the village. We're looking at, uh, Ohio, Bulling Green, North Dakota, Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Washington, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Oregon, Rutgers. Yeah, that's going to be tough. I hear, here's, you know. Why's Iowa not your last game? It'll probably be in two years. No, this is not an order. They haven't set the schedule yet. This is just the teams they play. It'll be two years where we get the college world playoff because next year we'll go

10 and 2. We're going to get fucked somehow getting in the college football based on what just happened this year. It'll probably be the Vanderbilla college football next year. I thought Nebraska men goes so hard. And then the next year will be our year. Can I give a prediction? For Michigan? For Nebraska. Oh, God, here we go. Eight and four incoming. Maybe not even eight and four. Go ahead. Shit on us. I'm not sure on you guys. Shit on us, dude. I don't even know why I'm wearing these headphones still.

Okay. Go up. Go up. Go up. Go up, go up, go down, go down, go down. They're 2027. Yeah, I want 26. I want 26. A lot of question marks with Nebraska's roster going into this offseason. Indiana, Ohio State, go down. Oregon, eight and four.

Yeah, I think eight and four is the floor for Nebraska. That's the floor. Like, as you look at Indiana, we got to assume, right? Ohio State's always a top dog. Oregon and then to me it's like well Iowa you have to at this point it's like bro until until they do you got to just assume

and so like I think it's gonna be big if you guys like Washington Washington Washington's a good ball club Illinois they're a good ball club Michigan State we got Washington at home though they got that's true that is true so yeah I think 8 and 4 8 and 4 and I think at the

listen I'm not even fucking around I want to be very serious Like that is a hard fucking schedule Right I can see 9 and 3 But I feel like it's a most likely 8 and 4 And is that Do you feel some type of way about me saying that?

I have no emotion Okay You're talking about Nebraska Yeah Feel great And on that tear talk Did we hear I'm assuming we kind of covered

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