Bussin' With The Boys - Clay Matthews Talks Break Up With Packers, USC Dynasty, & His Family’s NFL Legacy With Brother Kyle

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Recorded: January 13th, 2024 NFL legend and Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame LB, Clay Matthews and his brother, commercial real estate mogul Kyle Matthews, join Will Compton and Taylor Lewan for Episode 311 of Bussin' With The Boys. They reflect on the glory days of the USC Trojans dynasty, sharing what it was like to play under Pete Carroll and what it was like to be around coaching icons like Coach O, Lane Kiffin, and Steve Sarkisian. The brothers also dive into the storied Matthews family NFL legacy, discussing the pride and challenges of carrying on such a rich football tradition. On top of that, Clay shares hilarious stories from his time in the league, including wild moments with Aaron Rodgers, and even a dicey time in Miami with Brian Cushing & Ray Lewis. Will and Taylor then recap the CFB and NFL playoffs briefly, and deep dive into some pet-peeve talk with the Matthews bros, followed by the fan favorite Twisted Question Segment and Tier Talk! Make sure to subscribe and leave a big hug and lil kiss down below for your favorite Bussin' Boi in the comments! 0:00 Intro 2:53 Taylor Met Adam Sandler? 5:03 Mike Vrabel Back At The Patriots 6:23 NFL Wild Card Weekend Recap 35:29 KYLE AND CLAY MATTHEWS INTERVIEW STARTS 36:54 The Matthews Family Were Rule Followers 41:04 The Matthews Family Tree 46:48 Growing Up With An NFL Dad 53:41 Living Up To The Matthews Name 59:37 Transitioning Into A 9-5 1:09:33 Bitterness Towards Green Bay? 1:16:57 Clay Welcomed Taylor To The NFL 1:20:05 Clay Walked On At USC 1:25:05 USC Stories With Pete Carroll 1:48:47 The USCvUCLA Rivalry 1:51:51 Why USC Isn't What They Used To Be 1:57:04 NFL Or College Football Guys? 2:04:58 Tier Talk - Best Brother Athletes 2:13:58 Clay's Biggest Rival Player 2:18:14 Twisted QOTW 2:28:49 Coaching The Next Generation Of Matthews 2:34:24 Pet Peeve OTW 2:42:49 Ex-Packers Taking Over Nashville 2:45:46 Being In Pitch Perfect 2For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's been a long seven days. It's the last time we set on the bus. Wild car weekend. It's in the books. Wall car weekend, college football playoffs, surviving bar stool. And also side note, I hope everybody out in L.A. They'll listen to our show. I know we got some California fans.

I hope everybody's doing well, safe. Like those fires just seem. I mean, it's brutal what's going on out there. It's crazy what's going. It's crazy also seeing videos of people adding to the fire in certain parts on Twitter, which is just nuts, man. People adding to the fire? there's videos of people actually going around.

I think there's one specific one of people opening their trunk in the middle of the highway, pulling out cans of gasoline and throwing it into the bush. So David Spade came out, had a selfie video saying the police found a guy, let him go, who was starting fires. And he's like, if you find anybody in the police arrest them, I'll give you $5,000. That's what David, David Spade said. So it's like something going on out there. My God.

Something going on in the City of Angels right now. Yeah. Hope everybody's keeping their head low. Hope everyone's safe. Hope everyone's safe. We had a, this weekend I was in Vegas and my neighbor was running from the fires. I don't know if you guys heard of him. Adam Sandler.

You ever heard of him? He was out there. Did you meet him? Yeah, I ended up meeting him. How'd it go? Just on the elevator walking in. Hey, good morning. How are you?

Got out of there. Dude. That was it? He was running from fires. He was with his wife and his two kids. They were waiting. They didn't seem like they want to be bothered. But you didn't ask if you wanted to be on busing with the boys?

Not yet. And I thought about him with the, oh, you did something with Travis. I know Travis. We have a show called. I thought about doing the whole thing. I had a whole speech in my head. Obviously, I was texting you about it. I haven't thought about writing that note.

But then things got out of him. But yeah, I saw him at the elevator multiple times, walked behind him. Actually, the first time I saw him, I was walking behind him in the hallway, him and his daughter. And I was kind of like five paces behind him, but they didn't know I was there. So I let like out out. So they knew. Scared the shit out of his daughter. And it was just like, right in there.

I was like, oh, I got to get out of here. narrow hallway, had to bug you. Way too big. Way too big. Way too big. Yeah, command just like hunched over, walking towards her. It was too much.

It was too much, man. Taylor was telling me how he was in like the room next to him. I was like, you should slip a note out like under his door. I was like, bro, I'm gonna do that for sure. Gonna do that for sure. And then I was in the fight of my life for 48 hours straight.

I kind of forgot about a little bit. But guy is dressed exactly like you see him all the time. Oh yeah, he is. He's what you see him. I saw him three times. His outfit never changed. Like he is a homie.

You can just. tell. And the boys at Red Rock were telling me they're like, yeah, the only thing, I was like, is he like a high maintenance guy? Is he good? He's like, no, he's not high maintenance at all. The only thing he wanted was a lifetime fitness pass for a day to go play pickup basketball. So they got it. It's just all time.

You know, Sailing too, the way he dresses like he's peak, his laundry pile by his bed and he just gets up the morning. No question. Yeah. He's a guy that puts his clothes down and then like puts his feet right in as he's getting off the bed. He pulls the same shorts up. But yeah, dude, highlight. highlight it was awesome it was a good little deal but yeah shout out to people fighting the fires that's tough man where should we start first should we go NFL recap should we go

college football should we go surviving let's go NFL it's the most recent thing in my brain okay right now braves to the pads like that are we talking playoffs let's go there because that is I mean that's exactly what should have happened yeah exactly what should have happened you know every titans fan obviously being in Nashville every titans fan amy adam strunk everybody who is associated with the Titans right now is punching the air. They're fucking pissed off at themselves. Yeah.

Because they messed up bad. Love Callahan. His story is still unwritten. We don't know the whole entire thing how that final, you know, period happens. However, a guy like Rable, it's exactly what the Pat's need. Yeah.

It's exactly what the Pat's name. And I think it too exactly for Brable. Like, that's just the perfect storm. You're going back to a spot where you had a 14 year career. Obviously, he played for a good amount in New England. You got, what, three Super Bowls? Patriots Hall of Fame. Yeah, Patriots Hall of Fame.

You've caught touchdown passes. You know the culture. You know the leadership there. You're going into an environment. You're going into a situation that's honestly perfect for him. You've got a good young quarterback in Drake May. You've got a lot of cap space. You know the first move too.

You got to get John Stryker away from the Los Angeles. I already texted Stretch. I say congrats on your move to New England. He goes, what are you talking about? I was like, you know. Yeah. You know exactly. I know you're getting ready for the Vikings.

Yeah. Right. And by yeah, as always, this is Monday as you're watching the show whether it's Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, the Vikings and the Rams have not played yet. We should actually go over that game because I think you took the Vikings in locker room, right?

Yeah, but we don't know by the time this comes out of the game. I know. I'd like to publicly change my opinion, though. I think the Rams are going to win that game. I think the Rams, I'm taking a veteran coach that's had many times in the playoffs. I'm taking him and a playoff Stafford.

Yeah. And the playoffs Stafford. I like that. Hopefully he shows up. I know that. His last three times getting on the grass, he's averaged like 150 yards and thrown for only one or two touchdowns total. Tough sling. Tough sling.

Flip the script this time. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, if the Rams win, he's going back, you get to see Detroit Lions, Stafford, golf. You get to see that whole thing. That would be. Staff going back to Detroit once again. God, people saying, fuck you.

I can't believe the Lions fans did that. Just tell him, go fuck himself, chanting fuck Stafford. Yeah. That is just crazy to me. But I love it. I absolutely love it. But yeah, did Vraves be on the Pats? Unbelievable.

With good news, always comes a little bit of bad news. It seems like Steelers' Twitter is over the Mike Tomlin experience, which is coming just strictly from my perspective. If you're a team like the Steelers who has had multiple Super Bowls, you're a storied, history, and you have a coach that gets you in the playoffs year after year. Whether you go far, whether you don't go, you kind of just go that first game and come out, it's kind of like Tyreek Hill saying, this is my first time I haven't made the playoffs. I'm out of here.

Like you just sometimes as a fan, you get so conditioned and callous to the success you've had that's no longer good enough. Let me tell you as a person who played for a franchise that was not always a guarantee to make the playoffs.

Hold it tight. Stay as long as you can. Understand that this man is the man for the job. Also, you guys are in the playoffs every single year. If you are picking in that 18 to 24 range every single year, like it's going to be tough

to get your quarterback. It's going to get tough to get those premier blue chip players because a lot of people think like just because you're picked in the first round means like that doesn't mean it means you're like a premium guy when in reality it's like how good is the draft who's going before what are your needs your necessities when you're picking up in those late teens early 20s it's fucking hard to keep having keep establishing you know a lot of talent on your team while everybody doesn't catch up so i'm i'm personally a fan of talmond's thing if he is fired

so many's to throw the bag at him immediately bears could be a thing too like if you look at the last, what is it, eight years he's been one and done in the playoffs? Since 2016. Just, I guess, pick a coach, like, Rable. Let's just say he's on the Titans. Say he was the first eight years. We were one and done every year. Fans would be pretty upset about it.

And again, Tomlin is a big culture guy. One of the best culture guys in the business. He's had his histories with like the A-Bs of the world. You've had the pound. You've had to balance a lot of different personalities in that locker room. And, too, it's just like overtime. Even though he's a really good culture guy, it's the same kind of culture stuff over and over.

Like that could kind of slow down at some point. You want something fresh. Yeah, they do have like the lowest paid offense in the league. They got all their money tied up defensively. If you're looking at from a zoomed out views is like, do you kind of blow up a little bit on defense and try and get some cap space and restructure a little bit, move some pieces around?

Because as good as Cam Hayward is, he's been there forever. He's getting longer in the tooth. It's 13 years now. TJ Y is obviously a stud. He's not going anywhere. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. But you've got to almost look at all of these different options to kind of blow it up a little bit.

If you're going to stick with Tomlin. Yeah. And going off of the example you just gave, if Mike Vrable is the Titans for eight years, you make the playoffs eight years in a row. Imagine any coach who gets their job in their first eight years, first year they go to the playoffs. Everybody's right now. But every year they get to the playoffs. And this past year with the Steelers.

But that's not the example we're talking about. They got to 10 wins and then lost the final four or five games. I understand. however, you're talking about a sample size of eight years. For Tomlin, he's been there forever. He won a Super Bowl in 2008 with the Steelers. Maybe the games passed by a little bit? I'm just saying, if you look at, if he said,

hey, I'm going to give you a head coach. You're going to make the playoffs every single year, but you'll be out of the playoffs after the first round every single year for eight years. You'd probably say, no, I'm not going to sign up for that. But if you had a little more context to, you know, Levy on Bell, A, B, kind of you're saying, the Pouncy Brothers, all these,

and the Pouncy brothers, you say Pouncy because there's such a prolific group of individuals, only only one Pouncy brother played there. Markey's Pouncey is one of the greatest leaders from my understanding that anyone's ever seen. Like he is one of those guys that are just all fucking time. Like a true locker room guy keeps everybody in check. But like still very unique, loud, boisterous, like individual.

We're free Hernandez hats when all that stuff was going on. Like they are in the public eye and we'll do some controversial things. If you're able to navigate that many personalities, have sustainable success in being somewhere for so long, for me it's very difficult to say, okay, go ahead and walk away from that because the grass is not always greener on the other side. You don't know how good you're going to have it. I feel like the Titans are feeling that a little bit right now.

Like I said, that story is still unwritten. But you just, once you start getting away from stuff and then also you look at the Patriots, we're very excited for Vrable, but if Raibu doesn't have success, you're not looking at like, hey, maybe we should have stayed with Belichick. Let him stay for as long as he wanted. So it's, it's scarier to get away from Talman. It's safer to stay because from the outsider perspective looking in on the Steelers. that's just my take on it i think that george pickens as i was thinking about it more

as crazy as his press conference sounded that answer is almost i feel like steelers nation of like how do you feel like the year went we progressed it was good i got better are you optimistic no i had a decent year are you optimistic no i'm not and i feel like that's how the fans kind of feel just said nah yeah which does george pickens know what optimistic means that was the question on the internet. That is funny. He has got to be probably the number one character in the league right now.

Yeah, he's my favorite player. Yeah, he's so fun to watch. He really is, bro. He just, you'll just see a play going on and it'll be in the corner of the screen and just throwing somebody to the ground. Yeah.

Doing a random street rat type shit. You're like, they're going to have to get on the ball pretty sooner. He's just going to start giving up on routes. Yeah. He just doesn't leave the line. Yeah.

Dude. And if you keep everybody together, you almost got to go try and find another quarterback. Gotta find a quarterback. You got to find a quarterback. You got to see him. got Fields, yeah.

Dog, no. You got to go get a quarterback. But if you're wanting to be this team that gets over the hump of winning one playoff game. Oh, winning a playoff game. Yeah, they have 10 wins with both those quarterback. Yeah, but.

Fields could do it. That's what, that's what Will is essentially saying. Yeah, you had a 10-win season. That's great. You look at it on paper, but then you put, since 2016,

you have them limping into the playoffs. Russell Wilson starts off strong, and then all of some putters out, you know, it hurts how to his thing or whatever. When Russ came in, he was making that decision, incorrect for several games. Yeah, there was a public apology in the locker room from me

because I thought Russell was terrible and I thought he was done and he was playing a lot better. Turns out I was right. Turns out I was right all along. Whoa. So you're talking about Arthur Smith? Low key though. Low key should go to the pads. He's not on a very good run.

The offense was not good with the Falcons. It wasn't good at the Steelers. Had success with Brable. Tana hell. Yeah, I wonder who Vraib's going to bring in his OC. Maybe Josh McDaniels. That's what I saw a report. You see that report?

Yeah, I've seen like that. Don't do that. I think that's a no-no. You stay away from that for sure. And Arthur Smith, because you know, Vraib usually brings in like guys, he's super close. Here's the thing that I don't like that coaches do. Hiring their friends.

I do not like that. I think it is a mistake. And it gets people. Yeah. It gets people fired. It gets guys fired. Whether you're the GM, you hire the head coaches. friend or you're a head coach hiring your staff.

It's like, just pick the best guy for the job. Pick the best guy for the job who has the same core values as you do when you're establishing a culture of a football team. Move on after that. It's okay to say to your buddy, listen, I let Garrett, I love you to death. You're not going to be my OC. I'm sorry. I know you think you're, you should be able to.

Just switch that Garrett name to Todd Downing. Todd Downing? Greenman Packers game. And the thing is, is yeah, you bring up Todd. It sucks sitting here being like publicly like, yeah, that wasn't the move. It wasn't the move. I love Todd. I thought he was a great guy

in the locker room, great guy to hang out with. Like him as an individual was not the move at the O.C. Right. It just is what it is. Does Braves have any overlap with Bobby Slowick in Houston

to where he could snag him over? No, because Sloat came from the Niners. Got you. With Rahim. With Rehams. Yeah, yeah. Demico. The Patriots tree,

that Patriots tree is a black kid, Coach, like, Oh, Rahim Morris. I mean, all right. Todd Bulls. Yeah, yeah, Tom Bulls.

You brought up Pickin having his postgame presser about not being optimistic. You guys see AJ Brown? Yeah, reading. No, post game. Bro. He had one catch. He had one catch.

He had one catch after the game. He was livid. They win a playoff game. He was livid. I didn't see that. He goes, I'm not talking about it. I saw him reading, but then I saw him talking about reading. Right.

You haven't tweeted about it? Yeah, yeah. He basically the beat reporters, the reporters came up after the game, and he's like, I'm not talking today. I got nothing to say and then like got his thing smile on his face

but you know AJ it was like an AJ like I'm smiling at you but really I'm fuming inside and I'm just trying to get away from this so I don't blow up type of situation yeah

when I saw the book when I saw the book stuff I was laughing out loud bro yeah the book thing is funny seeing it live was hilarious I know hey but he had the book open in the middle though

which is nice yeah he's trying to get his head right like he did only have one catch maybe he's like let me And brother, there were, he was open a lot. Yeah, let me read my favorite. Yeah, let me read my favorite paragraph so I can calm the fuck down.

There were multiple, like Omaha routes, quick out routes on several plays where it went to Devante Smith. And he was, it was like a contested catch that Smith would come down with. But AJ'd be over there and he'd have like five, six yards of cushion where there'd be some yak and bar. Yeah, I saw a couple where he's got these hit routes. He's getting some separation at the top of the route. You see a couple times where they're going to Devante when AJ just on his, you know, special. move slant route where he'll just take it to the house if you throw it to him. And stick it on the Eagles

too, the selflessness of Sequin Barkley at the end of the game. Games already essentially in hand. There's a minute six left. Like you score it really doesn't matter and he had so much open field to run. So much open field to get like legit 40 more yards and still could have slid. Yeah.

But decided to just slide it down and the game save the legs. Get a big one coming up next week. Yeah, who do they, obviously depends on tonight with the Vikings and the Rams. But as of right now, who are they looking to play? Like, say, the Vikings win since they're the four.

Would Washington? It would be the Vikings, yeah? Yeah. Okay. So that means Washington would play. They play the winner of the ice game. Got you. Washington, no matter what, is going to Detroit because they were, they're seven

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got you i'm following i mean man that game is going to be the game to watch which game Ravens Bills. Oh, yeah, man. Bad game is going to be so much fun. They're cooking. Yeah. Do we go? Do we talk about the, I mean, the only fun game to watch this weekend was the commander's box.

I wanted to get your opinion on that being a former commander, former Redskin. I'm fired up for him. Yeah? I'm fired up for them. Do you think this is the end of the road? Do you think they can make a little run here? I mean, objectively, I feel like, or subjectively, I feel like it's the end of the road. Like you're going to Detroit.

Detroit is a monster, man. Powerhouse. Detroit is a monster. Yeah. But if you're the commanders, like, you're in the tournament, who fucking knows? Jane Daniels been playing his ass on. I saw JP, this dude ain't a rookie. Like, you're right.

This dude operates at such a high level. It's so fun to watch. And I know the city is just so fired up right now. You have a lot to look forward to in the future, whether or not this is at the end of the road this week. Because I did. I thought the bucks would probably beat them. But yeah, fired up for the commanders. And watching him run around, like he is such an awareness of the defenders around him

that he reminds you a lot of Lamar Jackson when he's scrambling. Yeah. And he gets those three, four yards and then just hits the ground real quick, pops back up. Like he's got a poised confidence about him. Because you see these running quarterbacks, the Redskins in recent history. You have these like really like insane major highlight running quarterbacks and then injuries start happening. It becomes a massive issue. Yeah.

With this kid, he's got that Lamar Jackson feel where it's like, yeah, he can run. He can throw it too. And he seems like a guy that knows how to stay healthy. No, so to keep the legs right, knows not to get in those weird entanglements where his body's and doing a whole bunch of origami type stuff. I got popped on the sideline. Yay! That was nuts.

And if you're the offensive alignment, I tweeted this out, like, that hits not bad. Like, that's just a good old-fashioned highlight NFL hit. Like, you're going to put that in the promo next year going into week one. But as an officer alignment of the commanders, you've got to start belly bumping her chest.

Yeah, you start barking a little bit. Get up your boy's face, start going, hey, hey, hey, hey, you let them know a little bit, huh? In that third short, where 94 had him in the backfield. And he just hits with the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hits with that stiff arm and gets the first down. I hate that he held on to the towel.

Yeah. The whole time chasing him down still. I'm like, bro, drop it. Bro, drop it. Yeah, dude. Does anybody know what happened to Levanti at the end of the game? I saw he got rolled up on. I don't think I saw any reports on it yet.

You know what I'm sitting there. It's like, I'm puff of the commanders. That's who I play for it. But I'm thinking, like, Levanti, I don't know how much longer he's going to play. Like, this could have been his life. That could have been his last game yesterday. Could have been his last game. If he retired, would you cry?

Do what? He ran down Janet Daniels. Which, dude. Bro, I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there and I'm telling Charo, I'm like, sweetheart. I'm like, this dude was drafted in the league a year before me. He started and played like a Probo-esque level every year of his career. Like, this dude's 35 years old.

I think they said he's like 34, 35. It's nuts, man. and he's had such an incredible career and to be at one place the entire time when they were drafting a guy they talk about the core values they put it together who's the player that it embodies it's Levante David

he said such a run man he started at Nebraska because of an injury yeah which is crazy I actually just put that together but I was on Twitter they're like people forget

yeah bro I broke my foot I broke my foot on a oh that was you yeah I broke my floor I love how you guys are coming to it I'm still like two steps behind on that. Like, oh shit, who got hurt? Yeah.

So I broke my foot on a Thursday or Friday walk through before the season opener. And it was a walkthrough. Like we had her helmets or like a jogger like, like an uptempo, yada, yada. I break on this stick route. And my foot, I feel like just blows up. Like somebody takes a shotgun to it. And I go down and Levanti starts that weekend, has like 13 tackles,

murder somebody over the middle of the field. And I come back like six or seven, eight, however long later, it was like for Texas. and job was nowhere to be job was nowhere to be talked about at that point anymore you kind of knew the writing on the wall but yeah Levanté just comes on the scene because he came from Jucco that year

he was a Jucco kid out of one yeah nobody really knew do what did he start off as a safety he was like a tweener like he's like a dime cat yeah playing dime and he came in and the and the depth chart went like myself Sean Fisher Sean Fisher breaks his leg in training camp and yeah Blake Lawrence

Sean Fisher breaks his leg in training camp I break my foot Levantes on second field operating with the threes throughout training camp and then has to get thrusted into being a starter and then the rest is history he's going off that entire year he's he's top five all-time tackle leaders in Nebraska history in two years that yeah playing two years 27 tackles against michigan he might be top three it might not even top five without will compton there is no levante david without will compton there is no levante david once again uh it All comes back to Compton.

Shout out. Yeah, shout out buggy. Somehow. I thought you were like trolling. I wasn't. I was literally scrolling on Twitter to find out the injury and somebody tweeted out. For any like low rank recruit out there, remember, nobody even knew Levanti David. It took an injury for him to get in at Nebraska.

Yeah. Yeah. It's such an awesome story. Like he's such a good dude. He's such a good soul. He's kind of like an Ed Reed door. He's just all football. He's undersized.

Know how to Slips everybody knows how to slip. every block he's played in the middle of the defense his entire career not as like a safety or anything else but as an undersized backer and has all the same arguably better stats in like the bobby wagner's the lukeekle's because that was the same type of class like that was the same type of generation talk about bobby wagner the first two series of that game against washington i'm sorry against the bucks a menace yeah a menace you see that when he blitz up the middle and hit that running back so hard he actually just missed baker mayfield yeah like that's fucking nuts bobby wagner too you watch him like when you're watching him out on the field,

you're like, that's a fucking middle lineback. Like, that's a grown-ass man. Yeah. Talk about like arms. His hands are like down to his knees. Past his knees.

His arms are just looked oil and oiled and glossy. Baker put that head down on him, though. Yeah. Yeah. He did give him a little shoulder. Yeah. That, dude, he has got that look of a linebacker.

And the cat, too, with them traps. Yeah. He got them, he's got that traps. That Mike Tyson, no neck vibe, dude. Head sits a little low.

Yeah. You can tell it's been pounded in a little bit. Since there in the offseason, just bangs it into a wall so he shrinks in the vertebraes just a touch. And too, it's like, Bucks had their chances. When Baker fumbles that ball late in the game, Bobby Wagner picks it up,

and they're right there in scoring position. And then when they have that seemed like a complex, you can talk about this, Taylor, but there was a moment to where it was like third in inches. And they're doing a hard count. And then he's like, let it roll, let it roll. Or he just says, we're good, we're good. And then turbo, but it seemed like a dummy turbo.

Because he goes, it's a hot! But the center, the young center snaps it on the loud one. But it seemed like he was a dummy turbo. Because nobody else went. But everybody just killed him. They tackled Bucking Irving, which Bucking Irving almost breaks every tackle in the back field to get the first down. But that was like a third inches that they needed. They had to settle for a field goal instead of like going in for a touchdown.

But it seemed like that was a very complicated, hard count, turbo, dummy turbo stick with the stick with the run whatever play they had a double call going Yeah what part of the game is it It's like a late in the game

It's fourth quarter Yeah I mean Every every offense has a play call Whether it's freeze frost Frosty like something like that Like there's always Some sort of code word Where it's like

We're gonna lamp in a formation Then all of a sudden We're gonna do a full cadence Then the tight end's gonna come off He's gonna go into a motion We're gonna get a couple more huts Then the guy's gonna back off Get into the F

and like they're in an eye formation and then, you know, hot, hot, hot, hot. If you're doing that many cadences and you have a young center, I don't know about that. I personally... It seemed like, like, again, you know. It's like they had a double call. We're going to do a hard count. And then I'm going to let you know if the play's still on it.

We're going to check it or alert it or do something else. Then you've got to remember that you're on a dummy turbo. But turbo, you're listening to Turbo all your lung, like as an offensive lineman. You're just so used such second nature. Yeah. Turbo, unless it's called in the huddle like a Turbo 2, which would be in the second hut after Turbo. If you hear turbo, it's essentially the number one, like,

your ears perk up knowing, okay, the snap is, the next sound is going to be the snap. Yeah, roll. It's like, it's making it. For me personally, if I like, if I'm going to a third in one situation, this is also a lot of it's predicated on the defense and how they, if they like to shift, if it would,

what would you guys would all start a little bit wider and then you'd shift down, like grenade or something like that? Yeah. It was, it was something like that. But that was a, that was like a 2012 film from the Patriots, field goal. Yeah, field goal.

Yeah. field goal block. I think it was against the bucks too. Yeah. I think it was against the bucks. But just depending on what people do want a third and one, and if it's a team that usually stays stationary

and you know they're going to bring like an ammo blitz or two up the middle or something like that, I personally like a, like a, it's called a fast break. You get out of the huddle, you get set. First noise you hear, you're going. The first noise, the ball is getting snapped because you're catching the defense off guard. It's either you want to go real late or real early

in those key like got to have it like short yard of situation. That way it's like you're just trying to find whatever you can to get up her hand Because it's grown man fucking football at that point Yeah And to be honest to you boys A lot of times I wasn't the grownest of the men When I was going against the boy in front of me

So I wanted a little bit of I need I give me a little Whatever little advantage I can take Give me a snap count that can help your boy out a little bit Yeah Because that's obviously doesn't snap But they get an off-size penalty It's going to be a first down That was when they were down like 20 to 17

They ultimately had to settle for a field goal And make it 2020 And banking in the field goal anyways to win is crazy Nuts. Bro, a doink win. Because when it started going over, I was like, oh, my God. I thought he was going to miss because he kept doing this with his hair. You can tell he was nervous.

I said, he's missing. Apparently he's OCD, like, bad. And there's, like, his tics. And so, like, he's, like, doing that because he's, like, got to get set and get ready. And there's another video of him. There's another video of him with his cleats. He's retying his cleats, like, over and over. So I guess he has these OCD ticks.

And so imagine being a kicker with OCD and in the game-winning field goal. And you're just like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, one, two, three, four, five. Especially because there are situations where like, what was it, a hurricane? Like there's a, there's this hurricane field goal. It's like 18 seconds on the clock, third down, no timeouts. You're in field goal range. You've got to go kick it right away. And there's this whole program of how to get guys off the field, how to get guys on the field,

and get the kicker set as fast as possible. If you're an OCD guy that you have to do four hair cones and two shoe laces. You got to be bald. Yeah, you got to go bald. Dude, if I'm a kicker, I almost want more of the hurricane like you're rushing to get on the field. Yeah, you don't think about it too much. You got to think about it. But when the offense is trying methodically put it on the spot you're at,

it's kind of like that 30, 40-year field goal, I'm probably thinking to myself, these boys think this is just a gimmie. I'm over here, nervous this shit. Yeah, and dude, that shit, when in Texas versus ASU, when Starr walked up to his boy, the kicker and, like, give him love, if I'm a kicker in that situation, it's like, leave me the fuck alone. Yeah.

Like, pretend like I just don't even exist on this world for a little bit. And all that, remember, like, not remember, like, freezing kickers? Like, that would be the fucking worse. Yeah. Calling a timeout at the end of the game. And it goes right up the middle too. And you're just like, oh my fucking God, dude. If I could just get that one again.

Kiggers, man, snipers. More time to think about it. Shout out of Ryan suck up, dude. Did it great for a long time. Shout out of Ryan suck up. Just a dog out there. How about the fucking Texans? Yeah.

I mean, dog. Dog walking the Chargers. Chargers beat their ass for a quarter and a half. And we're sitting there and it's six and nothing. It's like this game should be. It's one of those feelings like as a player, it should be 14 and nothing right now. Like, if you're the charge,

you're like, hey, I was like, we got to get seven and you're not settle for three because they're still in. Then if you're the Texans, you're getting destroyed. The ball's not bouncing your way either. Like they had a, I forget what it was, but it just didn't go their way. But you're sitting there, it's like, hey, fellas, like it's only six to nothing. Like, as bad as we've played, like we're still in this game. And sure enough, 32 unanswered points later, the Texans defense was eating, bro.

Eating. Will Anderson going off. Daniel Hunter, Autry, Will, Will Anderson. Autry had a couple plays in a row, brother, where it's like, holy shit. Shahir was tattooing folks. Then you got Stingley that's making place. I don't know why they're trying. They were trying Stingley all game.

Yeah. And the boy, hey, Herbert. I know. That game reminded me a lot of Packers Eagles where it's like, Houston was taking advantage of the Chargers bad football. And Eagles are taking advantage of the Packers bad football. The Houston took more advantage than the Eagles did. But it's like, yeah, Herbert had a bad day.

He had a rough day. It seemed like the play calling was little. little all over the place. It just seemed like they couldn't get settled and like grounded in the moment of, you know, where they need to be, which is weird because you think Harbault, culture guy, he's going to have his guys ready to go. But then there's the old Herbert. He loves a choke in the playoffs. Dirty bubble got hardball. That's all it was. That's a nasty move. Because they know he's a SpongeBob fan. Yeah. And they had his quote up. You're on the sideline. You can't call Mermaid Man Barnacle Boy. He's, he was captured. Were you watching that, were you watching that,

what am I saying here? Yeah, were you watching that broadcast of Nickelodeon? Yeah. See, it had SpongeBob up there like commentating with Patrick. PF Manatee. Yeah, PF Manatee and big catfish. Then you had like LeBron and Kevin Hart.

I forget what their fish were. Leprone, yeah, Leprone James. Dog, it was, I feel bad for the charges, but shout out the Texans, ma'am. I mean, good for them. Do they make it interesting in Kansas City? They're dangerous. They could.

They're dangerous. Hard to beat a team twice. It is hard to beat a team twice. She's got to get to Pat. They got the tools to get there. Chargers are the playoff. Willie Parlay was dead in the first game. Just the first leg gone.

We have 40-something thousand people riding there. Your response to that too of the captain from Titanic walking in. He's going down the ship, maybe the best response you could possibly have to it. What do we go? Sir, Captain, Captain, Sir, your life jacket, sir. Just keep swapping. That was so fucking money. Yeah, LeBron isn't hit either.

Dave's was cooking there for a second but Cortland Sutton Dave hit four out of five of his legs Coralyn Sutton didn't score for the Broncos Yeah I don't think the Texans can do against the Chiefs I think we're going to see the Chiefs in the FC Championship at least

Yeah I only can start talking about I got to see I got to see Ravens Bills and how those games operate I think it could be one-sided That game could be I'm bummed out that obviously being a like a Chiefs hater I'm bummed out that The Chiefs get just the winner of that game

versus having to play both of them. Yeah, yeah. Because you kind of want, I mean, like man, the Ravens could have just lost one more game and maybe they slip down a seat to where they're the ones going to Kansas City. I saw a funny clip of,

you ever see like the dog who hits the basketball on the stairs and it kind of bounces in the basket of who's going to win the playoff games? Yeah. You see that? Well, there was one where a guy had a marble and it was in between like these two lines

and he would roll it and these two dominoes were different colors and it was based on the teams. Whichever one fell was going to be the loser. And every time the chiefs one did, he like throw a flag at it and put him back up. It is. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But yeah, I think we should get into our podcast. Yeah, I did want to talk a little college football.

See if the Matthews brothers want to do it. We can, uh, yeah, we can either do when they're on. We can do it after. But we, uh, Clay Matthews, Kyle Matthews, the Matthews brothers, they're in the shop right now. So we're going to go ahead and hit that interview. If we do any more intro talk, you guys will obviously record it after that podcast, but it'll be in right after this ad read. Um, yeah, let's get the boys in. Let's get the boys in. Right after this ad. NFL playoffs, we're talking about. NFL playoffs? You bet you we are. Get into the action at Draft King Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdown is a key to winning in the playoff games,

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Come on. See you guys dialed in. Did you get anything at that charity event? Yeah, it's such a fun time to go there, but it's like, we're really just there to like be there and be with everybody. All right. All right. We got the Matthews brothers. Let's go.

Do I look at your fucking assistant? And it was, she's like, all right, you need to start doing it again. It was bad. It was bad. What's the serious question? What is the downside to? Her addiction. Yeah, it's too awesome. There are no side effects.

Zero effects. It's really just you feel great all the time. I think I want me some of that. So nicotine is proven. It's neuroprotective. It's a stimulant. It helps with multitasking. There's a lot of benefits of it.

Do they pay you to say this? No. But Lucy Breaker. Lucy does. But there are like it could elevate your blood pressure. Shrink your veins. Like not shrink your veins, but like make it more difficult for blood. I don't know.

There's a couple of bad things. But I would say the pros outweigh the cons. and also depends what's in there too what they said about cigarettes in the 50s right exactly they make you a man is all I know nice voice too did you guys ever chew or anything like that

no I never did you kind of with the jacket on and the bun on you seem like you could have a lip in I was like we did the big leg chew yeah yeah those things popped in there I was I was Mr. straight edge you never never want to taint the body

we'll talk about this but yeah my dad would have kicked her ass if we had done any of that we could talk about it right now Mitch, we're rolling, baby. We've been rolling. We can cut everything. Don't you worry? Don't you worry one bit.

Hey, you're in a safe space. Namaste. We're all good. But you said your dad would have kicked your ass. If you were taking, doing anything extra. Was it like a booze or it was like, hey, we get past booze. Now we got a problem. Now we're just from a family that was very, you know, our parents didn't drink.

They didn't even drink wine. Naturally smoking is not good for you. And so, I mean, it just. It was just expected. And coming from, you know, obviously father playing in the NFL, I mean, it was common sense. And so, I mean, it was just a given, you know? It wasn't like we were sneaking around and doing anything like that.

But, yeah, he probably would have kicked our ass. I think Clay's saying and it said that you speak for yourself. Yeah. Well, okay, go for it. No, I don't think. Were you the rebel of the family? Who, me? No, no, no.

Kyle? Kyle. No, I think it's safe to say that. which is interesting what the dynamic within the family is now in my role within the family. But to your question and to piggyback on what Clay said, I don't know if it's a conversation my dad ever had with us like, hey, if you do these things like you're in big trouble, I think it's, I think it's a combination of to Clay's point knowing that they weren't good for you. My parents didn't do it.

So somewhat as a kid, not often, but there's correlation like your parents' behavior and modeling it. But I think also if I had to look back, I don't know if I've ever done this like in this, the way I will now is like, and tell me if I'm right, we wanted to, as boys, we wanted to be our dad when we grew up. My dad is like a superhero, you know, he's this 19 year NFL star, like good looking jacked, great person. And it still is. But like at the time, you know, he's 30, 35, 40 and just, and he didn't do any of those things. And so subconsciously, I'm sure there was part of that where it's like, well, if he doesn't. doesn't do it. We shouldn't do it either if we want to be that when we grow up. Again, I don't know if that, if that's like a specific conversation he had with us. I can't remember that.

You just, you just didn't do it. Right. Do you ever standard is the standard? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all you guys kind of new. Yeah. When you, you guys now have kids, do you find it like you're going to want to have those conversations like, hey, we don't do these things or just kind of lead by, lead by example the way your father did. Because I feel like it's much easier to say, hey, don't do these things. And obviously you don't want, you don't want to like do those things yourself either, but to have it be like it's just known can be tough. It seems like you guys got the message loud and clear. But for having kids, have you guys approached it any differently? Well, yeah, my kids are a little older and I don't know if you're having those conversations

with kids yet, but like my oldest is 14. I got four kids. My son, Brody 14 daughters, Kylie and Dixie, and then I got three year old son Murph. And so Brody, I just, I take kind of the Trump tack. I Trump told his kids like no drugs, no alcohol, you know, no tobacco. And I just say those are my rules and I'm at you know I'd like to think of myself as a principal father you know I don't have a lot of rules but the rules I have I'm I feel confident to say my kids know where the line is and so those are those are some of my very few rules in the house and so the answer to your question I'm not I'm not making the assumption our parents probably made with us and luckily it turned out okay but I'm having those conversations with my children yeah I'm sure I'm

going to have to have them as well but my youngest uh how old are yours my youngest is colton who's five My daughter just turned nine, Maddie, and my oldest Clay the fourth is nine will be, or she's, my daughter's eight, my son's nine, he'll be 10. It's like a Cromarty moment right here, you know, there's only three kids. But, uh, no, I'm Colton's great at getting Daddy the yellow can in the, uh, in the mini fridge, which is, uh, you know, the Pilsner. So, but we'll have those, we'll have those conversations and the black can for the IPA, but we'll, uh, we'll have those conversations later.

Yeah, no doubt. Dude, when you were having, being in the third, when you were having a kid before you knew, did you want a boy? Did you want that fourth? I didn't care if it was a boy or girl at the time. And then we had a boy. Yeah, it was just kind of a given. I mean, I was like, I kind of got to keep this going. But I did kind of waver a little bit thinking like, do I want to name him the fourth?

Like, we're getting to English royalty over here. That shit's dope. It is. But it's funny because I had through hearsay, I think my mom had said my dad's like, I don't want to. I don't want the name to go away. And since obviously he was junior, so I'm like, all right, we got to name him the fourth. But that was tricky out in Green Bay because there's not a lot of people named Clay out there. And they treat you, you know, the celebrity out there is unbelievable.

You don't have a lot of freedom. So we had to, we called him Bubba. That was our nickname. And he's still between the family, he goes by Bubba. And now that we're out and then we're in the South now. So Bubba actually fits in. But he finally goes by Clay at school now because, you know, nobody cares about me anymore. You know, I always, I always, I always think it's interesting.

I'm the oldest boy. And my dad didn't give me that name. And I swear to God, if he had named me, Clay, I'd be six four, two hundred fifty pounds. And then this guy would be sitting in an office somewhere typing out TPS reports. Yeah, hey, along the way, did you ever, did you ever think about that, like feel some type of way along the way? Like, you were, or your dad's junior, and then ultimately Clay becomes the third. Like, I'm the third as well, William Earl the third, and I'm the oldest. So I would, I never had to think about it.

Yeah, I would say, I don't know. I've never, you know, I know a lot of juniors and thirds, maybe not as much fourth. They're always the first. I haven't thought about it other than like the joke. Like I'm, I've convinced myself that if I got the name, like, just the way that I'd be like, you know, I'd be an ex-Nefel guy with a man bun. But like, you can only get away with it if you play sports. Or you're a yoga instructor. Well, the reason.

I used to live in Van Nu so I can go a different route with that man bun. No. So the reason why I was named is because I guess... They ran out of names. Well, no, from what I've heard and maybe my parents are lying to me, is that when they had the ultrasound back in the day, they weren't that good. So they thought I was a girl before I was born,

came out, I was a boy, and I guess you got to leave. Why did they think you were a girl, though? Man, it's medicine. Roan into it. It's all good. They couldn't see the... They couldn't see the bad position. That's the easiest lay about you have ever been served.

So, yeah, so I guess my grand. grandfather had called my father and my mom and said, you know, why don't you just name after me? And my brother who's in between Kyle and I here, his middle name is Clay because that was going to be the, you know, continuation of that Clay name. And so now my name, my middle name is actually Clay as well. It's William Clay Matthew. So we got to see the name. Oh, let's go. Taylor Curtis, huh? Taylor Curtis, huh? A couple William, the third sitting here. Dude, I thought one day I get a boy so I can carry on the, carry on the name. If when you're a junior, it's so easy. I feel like when you get to the third, the fourth, the fifth, you talk.

talking about royalty I think that's awesome but being a junior is not the best and you gotta have a nice name too William Earl's nice William Clay's great Taylor Curtis I don't want to pass that down I don't want to give that I don't want to give that I don't want to give that I don't want to give him something cool well you got tank you got any boys now I got to no I got to what there's a whole there's a there's a war going on there's cold war going on in the one house yeah the answer we had a team meeting last week and the team meeting turn into JP and a couple of guys being like just have a third just have a third so I'm obviously going to bend the knee like I don't know how your household works I don't run my show there's nothing

about my house I'm like yeah I'm the man not if you want to does not happen yeah I will be having a third kid don't tell my wife I don't know what's ever has figured out that the only reason it's a no is because of him so now we're trying to try to yeah yeah to get that one and true and you tell you made me feel a little bit better because you said you got that's what I'm here 14 11 nine and three so that big gap that was a that was a COVID like like, whoops. Yeah. Like, I, you know, my wife's always like, oh gosh, she's always like, she's always

like, you had one job. You couldn't even do that right. Did you ever, did you ever dabble with the idea of going to get a little surgery? Yeah, I did ask me. I'm medically retired now. Yeah, you're done. Yeah, I'm out. Had to go.

I had to go. Medically redshirted out the baby making game. Did your checks in the mail once a month. But it was a little, you know, too little too late. So, no. Sometimes you play that rush a roulette where it's like, you know, I'm not, but you're Russian roulette where it's no but now we got the fourth he's healthy you know like when he turns 18 I'll be like hey how you doing like what's your name you know no no Murf is like you know we get

all the kids together every almost every Saturday and and he's like the little he's like the little pet like he's he's he's fun you know you throw a ball and he goes and gets it and then he brings it back it's like kind of a fetch thing yeah you know you're trying to teach me a little black plus if you have a 14 year old 11 year old it's like you have built in babysitters yeah like No, no, not my kids are, okay. Fair enough. We're going to find our way around this thing. But now, see, so it's leverage, right?

And so when you have, as it relates to your air, he is, he's got. Well, hold on. With your kids is, now I've leveraged. I can use it. I'm gonna come across so bad today. No, no, I'm playing. With my 14 year old, it's like, hey, when, especially as the male with the air thing,

and you're like, when you got one, there's a lot of leverage on his. And now I'm like, you know, I got an air and a spare. Like, you mess up. I got another one coming up the ranks, you know? Like, I got a backup who's on a cheaper contract and making plays. Like, you can't sit out too many games right now, you know? Like, it's called, I hold them accountable. Right.

You get to know. It's science. Yeah. Best ability is availability. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know how that is. Before the team you're against them.

With your old man, what was it like growing up? So we, last year we had on, we've had on Chris McCaffrey. We had on his dad, Ed McCaffrey. And Christian was telling us stories how he couldn't get arm tackled growing up or grabbed by the jersey, how he'd have to take. his jersey and everything else and if he'd get arm tackled he'd get grounded was your how was he told he told a story about his dad went into the backyard into the woods and found an empty coke can and came to the house and like what's this and they got grounded for drinking soda geez now you you you've got

an interesting story because i think you you put on didn't he have you put on pads and you did drills with him because i i i didn't have that experience yeah here here's i'll answer you a question and then he coached you more but i was the oldest so like um my understanding of the McCafferys, which is very limited, but I heard, I heard that, like of those stories is my father was the total opposite. And I'll give you some examples here. Like, I didn't play football till ninth grade, right? And I played in all sports, but I played soccer as a false sport. It just, just is what it is. He never once push football. We never watched a single football game in our house unless my dad was playing. And even then it, we may or may not watch it depending on the

broadcast schedule. I never watched a college football game until I played in one. Never watched an NFL game unless my dad or maybe my uncle. I don't even think we watched my uncle Bruce. Stud. Yeah, he was a huge. Titans legend. Yeah, stud.

So it was the total opposite. It was very, you know, kind of what we believe old school parenting is like you just like kids be kids. They figure it out like no involvement in nothing. When I was going down, when I was get ready to play football in college, the only conversation my father ever had with me. and you might have been different was like, hey, you know you don't have to play football

because I played football. It was like Matthews like emoting, which is not, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, don't this guy's talking. Hey, dude, don't be too weird. No, we were, you just, he did. Well, dude, what just happened, you know? But we were, we are at a stop by, he's like,

hey, you know, you don't have to play football because I play it. I go, yeah, yeah, dad, I know that. He goes, okay, I just want you to know that. I was, yeah, whoa, whoa. He's like, hey, you know I love you, right? Yeah, you do. No.

The only thing, my dad retired when I was a sophomore in high school. I mean, you think about that. He played 19 years. So like imagine your kids being a sophomore in high school when you retired. Yeah. It was different. And then he started coaching. Yeah, it's wild.

And then he started coaching me in high school. And that was the only involvement. By then I had chosen to play football. He coached you a lot earlier because you were younger. And the only time. was heading into my senior year in high school they were moving me

from like defense back down to like kind of outside rush and I think he thought I needed to truly probably did get more physical so he put pads on me and like it was like 100 degrees in Agora Hills like he put pads on and during the summer he'd make me go down

and he would put pads on and we'd have to do hitting drills this is true this is why he's still playing or just recently retired like a year out of the league yeah he's still got it No, he's jacked. He's jack.

My dad to this day is like the rock and grid iron game. Yeah. Yeah. Like so on one hand, he had no involvement whatsoever. He was just like, look, I'll let my kids figure out who they are. If they're going to be players, they're going to be players. If they're not, they're not. But yeah, in high school, he put on helmets and shoulder pads and like I would have to go thump them.

And I remember, like, and I was not that kid who was about like getting back. I was like, what am I doing out here right now? Like all my friends are at the beach. And so. You're thinking about TPS reports. Not yet. Not yeah. That would come later.

Yeah, that would come later when, you know, I realized I had no options. So, you know, but that was the only thing. I don't know. Was he different with you? Well, I remember him taking me to Gold's gym. Nice. In like sixth grade. And I was just such a bitch.

Like, I didn't want to lift, you know. He was putting the brown paper towel over the neck machine. I'm like, dad. And I couldn't even do, you know, like a five on each side of the, you know, the bench press. So I was embarrassed. And I didn't want to. And I just wanted to play. probably Halo at the time.

And I didn't really want to. And it wasn't until, and my dad was like, he tried to. But at the end of the day, like Kyle said, he's like, all right, man, like, you know, you do you and you figure it out. Yeah. And so my junior year, I had a buddy, still my best friend to this day. He ended up getting drafted by the Chicago Bears and 08 hurt his back and, you know, fell out of the league.

But ultimately, we pushed each other. And so I was also late to develop. So between my junior and senior year in high school, I went through puberty. and I probably grew like four inches and put on like 40 pounds. So at that time I was big for where I played football and I was decent, but not good enough to get a college scholarship. So ultimately, like, you know, as far as his... Wait, what is that picture of my dad and my uncle with their shirts off?

Go down bottom right. I don't think I've ever seen that. Oh, that's that sports. Yeah. That is wild. You've got to put it up at the next family review. I don't know what are doing here. Find anything on the internet.

But I mean, yeah, so, you know, yeah, he kind of just let us just develop into our own person. And like I said, I don't think there's a right or wrong way. I, like I developed a natural love for the game and appreciation for it. So, you know, unlike the Maccapper, obviously, that's working well for the McCaffries. Yeah. So there's really no right or wrong. But that's how he parented us. And that's, and when he retired, he naturally jumped into coach and me as a kid.

So I've had his tutelage and coaching ever since I was in, I think, third grade. So, you know, that's why I've had, I really think getting into the league as a rookie just having immediate success was just because I grew up in that family. I knew what was expected. I knew, you know, what was going to come at me, money, fame, women, whatever it may be. So I was ready to go. We interrupt this episode to bring you Iraq's on. Let's talk about the elephant in the room, erectile, dysfunction. One in four men 18 years and older experience ED, which means that you or someone

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and then obviously, you know, your uncle, your dad, like your entire family, just like, it's like, oh, you're a Matthews. You guys have a Matthew's family Wikipedia. Yeah, exactly. You have that. Is there anything going through your head of like, I didn't live up to the name or I didn't,

I didn't, you know, I didn't meet the expectations that I'm supposed to meet, whether it's your family putting it on you or you personally putting it on yourself. Yeah, no, I never felt that at all. If I got something I think about for my, you know,

my son, the fourth, I'm like, oh, shoot, man, he's going to live up to these expectations. But I don't know if that's how my dad felt. A lot of people ask me, you know, you're going to play in the NFL, you're going to do this.

I was just kind of doing my thing. And I never felt pressure from him, much like he told Kyle to live up to the expectation of playing the NFL, playing for 19 years and accomplishing all that he accomplished. So mine was just natural and gradual. But I never felt that pressure. You know, the pressure that I felt was once I started ascending, gotten to the NFL and wanted to maintain that standard and the name, like you just said. Yeah.

Well, I can comment on that. So I felt it tremendously. Like it was a weight my whole life. I don't know if it's because I was the oldest or I just wired differently and clay's better at tuning things out than I am. It was just you got it your whole life. And I was really, we both were, but me, I'd argue more so really small undersized our whole life. We're always like the runts. And so, you know, and we moved around a lot.

Like oftentimes we moved back and forth, but all told we moved 30 plus times, you know, because my dad would play for the Brown, so we'd moved to Cleveland in July, August, and we'd live in Cleveland until December, January, moved back to L.A. There was no off-season at the time, so I lived in L.A. Yeah, so it was a true off-season,

which means, like, you see you later, see you in six months. So, no matter to where I went, I would get comments like, man, what happened to you? You're a Matthews. Like, you must be a disappointment. Like, you're, why are you so undersized? Like, you're the wrong. Like, we all were that, I would argue.

But I, again, I don't know if I'm wired differently. Just a vegetarian kids and wife beaters. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you're also the first one going through it. And I was the first one going through it. And then part of it, not to dismiss Clay's experience, because that was his experience,

like he made it, right? I mean, he made it and had a phenomenal career. Now, that wasn't always how it looked, right? You know, certainly coming out of high school and what he was able to accomplish at SC and the transformation physically and mentally in his game to be a first round pick and go on to have a brilliant career. I didn't. And so very much that in my humble,

opinion led to ultimately what and I'll let others define it but like if I've achieved success in business I I really give credit to that that drive that motivation was if you look at the Matthews and again you know I want to be fair it's hard for me to be impartial as my family I love them tremendously like you look at the history of the Matthews especially on the on the male side it's just high achievement going back to my great grandfather Maddie played professional baseball and then ultimately was a boxing coach of the citadel. My grandfather, Clay, the first, Clay Sr., was drafted, played for the 49ers. He played for the 49ers, then went and served in the airborne, then went back, played for the 49ers, got out of the league. This is in 55, 56,

because he had five kids and you couldn't support a family on five, you couldn't support a family of five kids. There he is right there. Handsome guy. Looks like me. And so, so, it's, this is a trip couldn't support a family of five on an NFL salary because it wasn't. So he goes into business. Fast forward 20 years. He's the CEO of a publicly traded company. So highly successful. Then you have there's four males in the next generation.

My dad and my uncle who are Hall of Fame, effectively Hall of Fame player, my father, longest. I think most games NFL history is a linebacker. My dad, it could be wrong. And then most games NFL history is an O-Limon Bruce. I'm pretty sure that's true. are still true. And then the two other males were mentally handicapped.

So like that, where I'm getting is I'm the oldest male of the next generation between me, Clay Brian Casey on our side, so four and then how many males on Bruce side? Six, seven. So 11, 12, I'm the oldest. And then I play football at SC.

And I get a letter. I play some special teams. I realize I'm not going to go to the NFL. Like I see, I played the same position at the same time as Troy Polamolo. So I'm like, okay, that's an NFL guy. Tough competition. Yeah.

I mean, he's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watching him kill that dude on that special thing he's playing. You're like, yeah, I'm right. Yeah, yeah, I was there. I was there on the sideline. No, but I very quickly, I said, okay, that's an NFL guy. That's not me.

And so I go into the, I go into commercial estate, the workplace, and I'm sitting there my first day at work, like sitting in a cube, like kind of what all athletes, you know, have dread like, oh, no, that nine to five. so to speak, it's not that bad. It just very much, you know, think of a visual representation. I said, well, I'm not going to be the first average Matthews. Like, okay, it's not going to be the NFL. If it's going to be this real estate thing, I'm going to do whatever it takes to be the

greatest of all time because I'm not going to be the first in my line to be an average and to not leave a mark for whatever that's worth. And you could say, oh, expectations, that's not fair. That's silly. That's what drove me. And fast forward, you know, ostensibly 20 years. to the position I'm in in my industry, expectations was, and to this day is the primary driver outside

the ones we all have, which is supporting our family and creation of wealth and things like that. So it was huge, huge for me. And to this day, I don't want to let down that legacy. And I'm sure people listening, I was like, well, that's stupid. That's what I felt. Right. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. What, how long did it take you to kind of feel like at peace with the, not make it to the NFL, going into more of a traditional job. Because I think a lot of people that listen to the show, we have a lot of ex-NFL players on. We don't have a lot of people that are, you know, just played college and then we're highly successful

in the real estate world. So more people than not have to make that transition earlier than people that are usually on the show that I probably want to know, like, how long did it take you to come to peace with going to the next chapter? Yeah, that's a great question. Thank you. Took a minute to get that one out, but that one felt good.

He did such a good job articulating the entire journey. Yeah. Yeah. Here's what I tell. You can tell he's in the CDs. You can tell why he's in the Cidies. Yeah.

Well, here's what I, I want to make sure I answer your question because there's like a couple of things in fact there. So the first I want to say that I have had time to think about this. And I am convinced that it was a blessing for me, never really to get traction as a player into college in the NFL. And I have seen this firsthand, both within my family and outside my family,

that I actually think it's hard. if you play in the league four or five years. It's like a tease. Like you actually taste and touch it and you get paid, whether it's the minimum $3.95, I don't know if that's still it, or you get paid $3 million a year to do that for four or five years. And you do get some wealth.

And then for the career not to work out, and you're 30 and you say, okay, what do I do now? And then you start in a career, let's just say just like mine. And let's say your starting salaries, $55 grand. You're like, 55 grand, grand, like, I made that per quarter. Right? And it's such, It's such a mind buck, right?

It's not, it's really hard. I never had to overcome that. And so I'm sensitive and I have empathy for the athletes who actually did play. They didn't play long enough, if I may, to not at least financially ever have to work again, whether you should or shouldn't. That's the opinion. But like to where financially, you know, you probably don't need to worry about money. A lot of athletes, they play a little bit and then it's taken away. So again, I want to make sure I answer your question.

I think it was easier for me and it wasn't easy, but it was easy. easier for me because I never even I never even tasted that or touched it or experienced that. So I went straight from, you know, kind of a special teamer in college to like the workforce. And so the answer to your question is it's it's very hard and it gets easier over time, but you never truly get over it. And I don't know, I don't know if a guy who played 15 years and never has to work again and made all pro and isn't the whole fame ever gets over it. You see it every day.

know if any of you guys will ever get over it. It's so hard, you know, to, to have that life when you're 27 and then fast forward to 47 and, you know, people care less and you make less. So it just, it was really hard early on. I'm sitting in that cube. I'm working at the time. I usually get in the office at 545 to 6 and I work till 8, 39 at night, like five days a week plus Saturdays. And all of my teammates, my close friends from SC, like, I don't say all, a lot of them are playing in the league, especially at that time with Pete Carroll. Oh, yeah. And Ray, I was those early 2000s. Early 2000s and he came in right off.

There was a 10-year run where like in any given year, you know, 10, 15-year teammates were going to the league. And everyone going there was like, I'm going to the NFL, whether that happened or not. Obviously, you know, not everybody made it. But, you know, guys that I play with Sean Cody, a low-foot-tut-tut-boo, obviously, Lionert Bush, all those guys, like, they're playing and they're moving on. And I'm, you know, sitting in a much less glamorous light, you know, wearing a suit and tie. and and you just everybody handles it differently. I just, again, getting back to partly the not letting the Matthews thing. Now I said, I'm just not going to, I'm just not going to let these guys have these big lives and I'm not.

And if it's real estate, I don't know how I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to figure it out like I'm not going to be the only unsuccessful teammate. I'm not going to have my team and say, hey, we're going to go here and say, sorry, I can't do that or I can't afford that. And again, one of my big driver was the family legacy, but one of many drivers you have or you hope you have when you're when you're getting out of sports. Did I answer your question? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, as well said. You knocked it out of the park.

It's kind of that. Have you understood this about Kyle before? Is this kind of the first time you're hearing all of it in like one? Well, as far as the legacy is concerned, that's definitely new to me. And it doesn't surprise me though. And it doesn't, the reason why he's had a success, but as to where that motivator comes from, you know, I mean, I think. that I'm not going to say a surprise, but it's interesting to hear because obviously as Matthews, we talk about how we're emotional but not emotive. So to have these conversations, you know,

you're like, oh, okay, which usually when it's a little, a little late. But yeah, to your point about, you know, like us kind of, I don't think any of us, we have to be at peace with when our career comes to end because I don't think any of us wanted to give it up. No. Highest paid probably at one point. I know I was. was pro bowls, all pros, 10 years? Arguably, yeah. Arguably. I'm going to round up for you, okay?

If you include Dynasty Mode and Madden. Yeah, no. Well, and you know, so you have to be at peace with that. You have to, you know, because it's, you can't sit here. Because obviously, I still felt like I had, I had some tread on the tires when when the Rams let me go in 2019. You still feel like you got tread. Well, I do have tread. It's just, you know, it's more around my stomach right now.

So, but you do look like you could. If a playoff team needed you right now. Right. Plus the jacket. The Packer said they were looking for someone, but we saw how that ended though. But anyway.

No one really ever gets over it. No one ever gets over it. But you're right. You have to have some sort of peace. You have to have gratitude. Other than being like, I wish I could have to do an X, Y, and Z. You have to look back and be like,

man, I'm so lucky I got to do whatever it is. Right. Whether it was for a couple years or if you were a Hall of Fame type guy. It's hard to think like that too. It is. Usually you're forced out of the league for whatever reason, injuries, new GM, new head coach, team sucks, you know, whatever it may be. So it's always somebody else's fault. You got to look in the mirror too and be like, whoever's fault it was, you got to let it go and, you know, be at peace.

So, and obviously you're still working. But for me, I learned that for my father, you know, as soon as he retired. It's just he would always say he's at peace. So I'm like, all right, well, that's the exact. Yeah. Well, if he's at peace, I'll be at peace now. I'll be at peace, though, than he's ever been at peace. Even if you're the greatest and that ego is still there,

it's only going to take what, probably a decade for a generation to start kind of forgetting. And you're like, do these guys forgot what I did? If you're so tied to that identity of being the best of all time. Yeah, and I think your mind plays tricks on you. Like, this will sound stupid. To this day, I'm 42. I never even play in the NFL. And I'll watch a game be like, I think I can play like today.

Like if I'm really trained, like, and that's a joke. But I guarantee you, you and all the athletes, like you're like, if I just wake up tomorrow and I get, like, I think I could get back to it. And then you work out hard for like two days. You're like, oh, no, screw days. Yeah, let me stop you there. I've been, we go to a lot of games during the fall and I'll watch warmups and I'm just like, how the fuck do people do this?

Oh, the more you're removed, like the callous leaves and you're just like, you know, I get up and I'm like, I got grab, like, I see guys like I grab my knee. I'm like, I don't. It's a hard sport on everybody, but big guys, it's really hard. If you watch the playoffs yesterday, you see Jada Daniels take that hit on the sidelines. It's like, what are we doing out here, boys? I watch my kids like jump off the coffee table. I'm like looking at his knees and ankles and I'm over there rubbing mine.

My kids are like bumped or like whatever and I'll kind of like do with you. All right. You're seven. When I was in Chicago, when I was in Chicago on Friday, they played pickup basketball in the afternoon. And I shit you not, bro. I ran up and down the court three times. And my chest for the rest of the day, I'm like hawking loogies.

I'm like sitting there. I'm like, man, yeah, it's, it's not that I thought it was never over, but it's for sure. And even waking up this morning, like I still have some inflammation. of my knees just from playing pickup basketball. That's what makes it so impressive about some guys who take a year off. And you never really see success other than Trent Williams. Trent Williams is the only guy I've ever seen to take a year off, come back and be the same, if not better than they were before.

Yeah, he's built different. Sorry to cut you off that. That's what I felt. When I was let go from the Rams, it was March of COVID, Denver in Seattle called. And they called it, you know, week one of that next, I guess the 2020 season. and I had let myself, like you said, that callous, I removed myself just a little bit. And deep down, I started, well, I started filling in where I wasn't in the kids' lives,

you know, getting into school, picking them up, homework, whatever it may be. And I felt myself gravitating towards that role and slipping, whatever you'd like to call it, pushing football further away to where they would call. And you're just like, ah, man, this ain't so bad on the other side. Those Pilsner's hitting hard. The many you get a couple weekends to yourself. Yeah. You see your team, like I remember when it was the year.

I went to Oakland, but my year before that, I was with the Titans, and the Titans started off. That's when that was the whole AFC championship. You started off like losing four in a row maybe or you guys were two and four. But I'm sitting there, I'm like, thank God I don't got to go in tomorrow because just the bubble that you're in football-wise. You're like, thank God I'm not about to get eviscerated by Raibling on a team meeting. But I thought you were coming back, though, with Braves going over to New England, right? I might be.

Come back to see? There's a couple calls. Okay, all right. We're in a couple conversations. Maybe just a chemistry guy, a locker room guy. Just a strictly vibes guy. Yeah. Take up the trash for him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That stretch his job. That stretch his job. Yeah, yeah, you can't do that guy. Glennie balls eats ice cream. Yeah. You're that guy. We'll just sit to the corner of the meeting.

Yeah. Eat some food. Lats at his jokes extra hard. Yeah. James you're the funniest man. Yo. He's just a team meeting. You get out from under the desk.

Go ahead, coach. You got that. He's just like, you just totally nail that free game speed suit 10 out of 10. Like, awesome. Dude, no one can touch you. Hype. You're the fucking man. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fluffer. What was it like, Clay, for you, like I was reading somewhere where you would have liked to have finished in Green Bay, like the legacy that you had in Green Bay, what was it like for you going to the Rams? And you were just kind of talking about the Denver and Seattle and you're kind of feeling

it. You're kind of out of it. Like coming to terms with your career. Yeah. Well, I was disappointed in how my time in Green Bay ended. So my contract was up after the 2018 season. I played out two contracts. And we had a defensive coordinator in my first nine years.

I was rolling my 10th year. We had a new D-coordinate. I had a career low in sacks. But I knew I could still play. You know, everybody says that. But I'm like, I know I can still play. I know I can get to the quarterback. And obviously, they decided to go in a different direction.

Would you play an inside a little bit more? Yeah, that was the 2015, 2016 season. And they obviously held that against me when they say your sack numbers are down. I was like, well, I just made two pro balls and all pro at inside linebacker. But of course, they're going to be down. Which is bullshit by the way. Like 60 tackles as an inside back. Yeah.

But, bro, did you see my impact? Yeah. 2014 we're in our lineback room swinging at the air that you not that we were saying we argued that we should have got in there but it's like how did this dude Clay Matthews just off his name getting the fucking home right now 260, maybe if you grow your hair out it takes discipline to do that 2014 were the 31st rank run defense that was the year we choked to Seattle in the playoffs and then the second half of that season top five when I moved inside

so I can argue against that. Plus I'm not here to argue Hey, no, stand up for yourself. You can't do it. You're right. You're right, William. I still got the ego. I still got the ego.

But, um, no. You guys see the impact I made. I mean, he hasn't memorized that or anything. I just know it. So, so they let me go and, um, or they let me, you know, hey, we appreciate all you've done here. That time of way. No, are they communicating with you a lot? Like, well.

No, that's, that's what I was disappointed with is, you know, they had insinuated that they were going to bring me back. Or at least, hey, you go out, you know, field some offers. We'd like to match it. And then, um, um, um, um, I find out on Twitter they signed Preston and Zadarius Smith and I'm like, oh, well, you know, and so they call, you know, a couple minutes later. Appreciate everything you've done, you know. No shit. Yeah, we'll see you down the road.

How enraged were you with that phone call? I was kind of shook, you know, because I didn't expect that. You know, my wife, no, we were all staying back there in the offseason because there was some uncertainty. We had our third child out there. And I thought I'd for sure be coming back. And so that was, you know, I just. it was in awe a little bit. And I think a lot of people, a lot of fans thought that I chose to leave to go to L.A.

Being an L.A. kid and whatnot. But the reality was, you know, at that point, and we're also four or five, six days in the free agency. So these coaches, these teams like, oh, man, I didn't know, you know, we thought you were going to resign there. So the Rams and the Ravens were the two teams that reached out. And I talked to Eric Weddle. He was with the Ravens, signed with the Rams.

And Rams were coming off to Super Bowl from L.A. Baltimore was offering a little bit more money. And they just came off a season. Lamar had just been drafted. Let's just say they were 8 and 8. I'm like, oh, man, this guy's not going to be any good. They're not, hey, with Jared Gough and the Rams. McVeigh.

Yeah, McVeigh. So I opted to go to L.A. We didn't even make the playoffs. They cut me loose after a year. Baltimore went 14 and 2. They had like 12 Pro Bowl starters. I'm like. Lamar's the MVP.

Yeah, MVP. I'm just like, man, I'll talk about a bad decision. But I really, though, 2011, we went 15 and 1 in Green Bay and 2. 2019, my year in LA were two of my favorite years. So I can't speak disparagingly on the Rams. I really enjoyed my time there and playing with Aaron Donald, too, freed up so much for me. I mean, it was the first time since my rookie year that I wasn't double teamed anymore. And speaking of those stats, I was top five in like rush win percentage with like Bosa and T.J. Watt in year 11.

So, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. What year was that? 2019. Yeah, we didn't play, did we? Because you would have. Got it handled. Unless it was the first six games. No, 19.

Oh, yeah, the first six games. No, no, no. The first six games. Yeah, I was suspended. Yeah, we played you once, although I didn't play. I was injured at the time. You guys, hey, when you were injured, I was like, thank God. You see the starters out, and you're like,

was that the game? Especially with the 90 minutes. Was that the game when you got kicked out? Yeah, he got kicked out. La Troite Guy on came across the line. He knocked over Mariotta. Yeah, we did a hard count. He jumped and he pushed Marcus down.

We're not having that. where the refs weren't having you when they kicked you out of the games. The refs want to make it about that. I will say I was in I was in for four plays and I was part of, we still lost though. So, you know, 60% of DeMarco Murray's rush yard. It's not a big deal.

But, uh, I got ejected from that game because I'm looking at whoever that guy is. La Troi, yeah. And the ref had his hand on my chest. But the refs was fucking tall. That's right.

That's right. You just, so I moved to head in. And he's like, you're gone. You're out of here. Buddy, there is not a lonelier feeling than sitting in that locker room.

I have my pants on it half time still when they came in and I'm like in the corner kind of like Will would be in Braves' meeting room if you went to the pads and they lost like just kind of scared. Why am I just taking a wild ricochet shot right now? He just scared and Joker having some fun but now it's getting a little burnt so.

J.B. does what I'm talking about. But that was, yeah, yeah, thank God we won that game. Thank God. I thought we were gonna get killed that game too. I forget what happened, but I think we just didn't play. What year was that? 16? Yeah, 16. 16 is when we were, We. Did you?

Yeah. To your own fans or to us? It was more of the reps, but it was just a nice photo of me with one of those. What did you, what was the, did you get a fine for just getting injected or did you get the? I got a $30,000 fine for being ejected. And I think it got rescinded though because they're like, yeah, they shouldn't have ejected you for that game. And you got the victory. And you didn't have, it's just like 15 game season.

So you got to start. Plus you got a lot of street cred, right? But you. Yeah. He already had that going at the time. No, 16. 16 was like my, that was my year. I came on the scene a little bit.

That's when I had like my first Pro Bowl. Things were going really well. we ended up going nine and seven after going two and 14 and three and 13 so that's when they really started to go from a little bit short-lived but it was still a nice couple of years I love how recently with our pods there's like a new story that we get to hear about with you what you mean just oh yeah yeah yeah yeah got ejected I haven't heard that one you haven't yeah the other good one was I was pre-season game not sure when it was bring this up this is my this is my welcome the NFL moment no no no you can you tell that one this was a dip this was preseason like several

years later from your rookie year, maybe it's week three, week four. We're in, we're in Lambe. Yeah, at Lambo. And I still am good friends with, of course, I'm blanking on his name right now. Kyler, Kyler, Fackerel. Koeh, Kyler Fackerel. He actually had 11 sacks in 2018, but anyways, you were, you guys were going at it in the first and he's a LDS member, good old boy, you know, Mormon, and he were just laying into him. He'd come to the sideline. He's like, man, he's telling me to go, fuck myself. I feel like next time I was stop and I was like, look that guy, man, go get him. I was trying to coach him up like, just run down his face.

Yeah, the preseason game, you got a bucket hat on a bunch of season in your mouth. You're going to do fine out there, bro. Don't you worry about it. Don't let him bully you around. Yeah, there is nothing more enjoyable than a fourth preseason game. Just sitting with the boys. Would they make you wear shoulder pads? They make us wear shoulder pads.

Yeah, they would. They would. Some would take it. Like Charles Woodson would take it off. But, you know, later on. What's it. Right, exactly. But I had to keep it on.

But yeah, that was funny. The story you told me when we met up. Yeah, talk about your welcome to the NFL. We met at Thomas Rett's charity event or his wife's love one charity event. And I was, I literally like, hey, Clay Matthews is here. And I kind of like ran over there like a little fan. And we like talk for 30 minutes. It was nice little bro down.

And, yeah, my rookie year, it was like the third preseason game. And I was, I was not a starter. It was Michael Ruse is the starter. But I was in in that bullshit, not the tight end, but the wing. not no, I'm sorry, I was the tight end on field goal. Yeah. Which is the worst position you can possibly be on ever in the history of football. You just take three dudes to the face constantly.

But preseason, I'm thinking, I'm going to be all right. You're lined up on Michael Ruse and like kind of on his shoulder. Yeah, yeah. Ruse is down there 10 year videos. Hey, Clay, go easy. And he just, he goes, get the rookie. And you really just watch Clay in a four point stance shift over. And I'm like, hey, what's going on here? Ball snap. Dude takes me. And there's not like a couple. guys on me, this is just clay, drives my ass in the ground, doesn't say a word either and jogs off and I'm kind of like, help myself up like, that motherfucker. I actually felt bad.

I was like, no, not at the time. I wasn't ready. I was like, I'm sorry for that. But, you know, you got to think, like, you probably just scored. I actually, so I went home and I'm, man, I don't remember that. But I remember it was pouring rain. It was two thousand. No, I did.

Yeah. It was, I love that it affected you enough because I kind of went home and I told my wife, I was like, I hope he feels bad about that. I went home and I was like, I just didn't remember. And I was like, that's right. We played a preseason game. That's when Julius came out there to Green Bay. And I'm like, they must have scored.

And I just took it out on him. No, it was Michael Ruse. It wasn't. Oh, it was actually Ruse's fault because I took it easy on him. I remember like seeing you. And I'm the everything to myself, those fucking forearms are massive. And they were just vascular. And then all of a sudden, the forearms got closer to me.

And by the way, a lot of hair on your arms because I remember it vividly. And you just took my ass out. All right. And put me in the fuck up there. Look, I'm glad we're working through this. This is great way. I'm actually sweating. I'm actually sweating.

I'm actually sweating. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry for that. I apologize. But in a way, it kind of built you up a little bit, you know? 2016 was the year. We have this episode to bring you Rocket Money. The start of the New Year is the perfect time to get organized, get set goals, and prioritize what matters most.

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I think it blows everybody's mind that you're a walk-on. When did you ever, you were under scholarship by it? You never under scholarship? In fact, I lied when I got to- You were first-round picking. ever earned a scholarship. No, I didn't get one scholarship. So when I went to you... No, no, no, Pete Carroll. Yeah, that was... His junior year. He, he, he, you were put on scholarship. Is that what you're asking? No, no, he's asking me going to... I'm sorry. Are you asking for out of high school? Was I, like...

Yeah, I knew you were a walk on out of high school. But I'm saying, did you ever earn your scholarship. Yes, thanks for clarifying that. I did. Yes. My red shirt, my third year, my red shirt, my red shirt, sophomore year, I earned a scholarship. So I apologize. You're good. I'm about to, yeah. I was just going to get into it, but yeah. I felt like I deserved one after. So, so, And they have this, you know, your GPA, like I think your team GPA. I don't know if this is still, you know, with the NIO and whatnot, it has to be a certain, you know, what, a threshold. And so every year they'd give scholarships to like fifth year walk-ons who bring up the GPA or the team. Kickers mostly, yeah.

Well, you know, there'd be like, there just be some guys. And I felt like after my first year, I felt like I deserved a scholarship. It was kind of crazy to think, but I felt like I earned it as opposed to the other guys who were getting it. In the fashion of the way you performed on the team. Well, I was a redshirted, but going into that next year, I was on kickoff and I think punt. So I just felt like I had, you know, but I didn't say anything. And then the next year, you know, they kind of gave me one the opening. So you got one going into your third year, your redshirt.

So I guess that'd be my rest your sophomore year. Yeah, for a rest year, I was just trying to keep my head above water. I was, I was like the scout team running back where guys were tackling me. I was the pulling guard for D.Ns who were trying to spend. And I was like, this is, this is. Hold up. Hold up. When I got to SC, we had three practices today.

These were three days. All right. And then heading into like, this was freshman sophomore. And it was really tough. And then there were a couple athletes who passed away that summer, off-season workouts. It was a guy at Florida State. Then there was maybe a alignment in the Vikings.

And so the NCAA switched, you know, changed your, they regulated practice where you can't have more than two practices a day. like two days in a row. All right. So it started to get easier. But when I got in, it's brutal. This guy comes in right after me.

Like, get this. So he's going to be a red shirt. It is what it is. Like, you know, he's a walk on. He's going to be camp fodder, you know. Yeah. He gets down there for like the first practice.

Then they rule him ineligible or something. He skipped his entire red shirt camp. Yeah. What happened? No, it was a clearinghouse. So I had good grades, but some paperwork didn't get submitted. Did you actually have good grades?

Yeah. So, yeah, I got, I got, they sent me home after a week. Like I said, that first week was brutal because, you know, you're like the man in high school no matter where you went. And, man, I just remember coming home telling my parents, like, I want to quit. I was like, I won't be closer at home, go to UCLA and all this stuff. And fortunately, I didn't go back until after Reggie, we beat Virginia Tech. And he, that was his Heisman year, 2004, when we won the national championship. but I didn't go back to week one of practice

so that honestly saved me because I was I'm sitting there sitting in my cube like what he doesn't have to practice the whole camp I'm like man how does this guy get away with that a walk on walk on freshman they try to break you that's what I'm saying yeah yeah it's summer you did summer workouts though yeah I I you started coming down yeah you know but I didn't have

no yes I did do summer I think I did summer but fall camp was like you know and especially that you don't understand which I'm sure is you know being a, you know, high, where are you highly recruited out of high school? I mean, I had like a crazy come up my senior year, but I had no scholarships. He's an overall American. Yeah. Off to football games.

Well, but it's very, it's very clicky, as you know. And so if you're a walk-on, there's a negative connotation of walk-on. So you're kind of putting this bubble with the frat boys and whatnot. That's true. But I was getting at earlier as I lied to some of these guys. Like, what scholarships did you have? I picked the worst teams in the patch. I was like, Arizona, Arizona State.

I threw in Idaho, you know. I was like, no one's going to check it. So I kind of, you know, I fit in there. But then, yeah, you in the top, right? Look at a young Troy right there in the front left. The only white boy. It's a good feeling. Yeah.

It's a good feeling. But I forgot. I'm on a tangent right now. So you're telling all the guys about the scholarships you had. You picked the worst teams to the Pac-Cola. Yeah, yeah. So no one would check me in. And I wouldn't, I like, could feel better about myself.

So that's, but yeah, I didn't get any scholarship kind of high school, but I did, obviously, earn. one when I was just to throw this out there and Kyle you can help fact check me if I'm wrong here but you thought you deserved a scholarship after your redshirt year I'm sorry my red I didn't even go to redshirt training camp no not my red shirt training my second year I apologize the CTE is kicking in all right yeah it's bull rush but we've got it all yeah what kind of stories like you play with liner and bush like you hear all this stuff he got his highsman taken away for the things that would happen he did a Kardashian yeah under yeah Pete Carroll's regime he goes off to

Seattle. Do you have any stories? Yeah, man. About the LA life back then with the USC Trojan. That's when like USC was truly. It was SC. It was SC. You go on rival. You were legitimate celebrities.

Like you were celebrities to the celebrities. Yeah. You go on rivals.com and you see them in their gray t-shirt, cutoff t-shirts working out and you'd be like, that's the place. You see that red, that red wooden fence in behind her recruiting you back. They went to there were three schools I wanted to go to. USC was one of them. Just that was.

Gosh. So what year was that real quick? So, 9 would have been my freshman year. Oh, 9. And as what Pete was still there. Well, I know Tyron Smith was still there, but he might have been like a junior or sophomore junior. I think he got drafted in, what, 2011, 2012? I think he was in my senior year was like these tackle.

It was Khalil. Matt Khalil. And they were so skinny and somebody. I'd come back and they're like first round draft picks. Yeah. There was one guy. I can't remember who was in my class. He was like the number five tackle.

It was like, I can't. He had a family. Like his dad also played at USC. but I was like the I was 255 I was the weight I am right now my senior of high school like trying to like get scholarships on potential this kid was like 310 already like you know this kid looks like he can play in the league I can't remember his name I had a huge vendetta against him my entire college career as you should yeah that's how you keep the chip on the shoulder yeah well pick one or two guys yeah and you just you create narratives in your head you know yeah whatever you got to do to get yourself up in the morning so you know we I think you probably Like me we get this question all what was it like you know LA celebrities pain players like I hate to disappoint At least my experience and and I can't say I was you know I was boys with all those guys like I can't necessarily say I was running the Hollywood Circuit with liner and Reggie like that wasn't necessarily my vibes at the time or ever

But it was it was really a credit to Pete Carroll man and a lot of the company I run today I founded almost a decade ago and run I've been notes to me at the time, like I got to see a highly successful high performance organization run, in my opinion, as good as it possibly can, where Pete created this insane level of competition like iron sharpens iron, full speed, ones versus ones every day in practice. But then he did it in a way that was so loose and so fun, lots of pranks, lots of celebrities, and just just the master. And so that's really, you know, you juxtapose that versus a Nick Sabin and both are insanely

successful they're very different though and pete style in my opinion you know so many people tried to replicate it just not to the degree it was it was a lot of fun he was he was very transparent about competition i'll tell you i'll give you a story so i'm sitting there i'm sitting behind polamalu for three years and then heading to my senior year the way i saw it we had the strong safety pretty much settled and i was a safety and the safeties were unchangeable so the other safety was open and you know looking at the depth chart like humbly speaking felt good about my opportunity to potentially earn that spot. And then, but they signed a five-star freshman at Long Beach, Poly, Polly Darnell being who'd go on to have a great career and became a good buddy of mine. But, you know, I didn't know Darnel personally when they signed him. I'm like,

oh, crap. Like, here we go. So it's before spring, before the first practice. You meet as a team, you're in the big team meeting room. And Pete goes, hey, guys, okay, this spring, we got to get after it. We're just coming off, you know, a big BCS win. Like, and he goes, but I want you to understand the opportunity you guys as existing players have is the spring is your showcase because in the fall we're bringing the number one class in they had just signed it because signing days like February now it's March spring ball you guys we're bringing the number one class in and we are going to give them the reps and give them the opportunity to beat you out and so you need to take this time seriously because you're not going to have as big of a opportunity in the fall and just to drive home

the point you're going to sit here and for the next hour we're going to put their highlights on film and you have to sit here and watch all of your you're all of the five star recruits are bringing in you guys, I am bringing them in to take your job and you're gonna sit here and you're gonna watch their high school highlights. So we had to sit there for an hour. The holes were tight in that meeting room.

Oh my God. So we had to sit there and you know, it's like okay running backs. It was coming in Reggie Lendale. We had a guy Chauncey Washington. It was really good running about. You know, tight ends. O lineman and then it gets the safety like it said five star,

number one in the country rivals, number one in the country this, darn out being Long Beach Polly and I just sit there for like, you know five to six minutes and watch you guys highlights, and I'm just sitting there like, fuck this motherfucker. Like, you know, fuck like, because that, like,

when you're in that like alpha dog, hyper masculine society that is college football or any football, like it's kind of like a fighter's mentality. Like, I'm gonna kill this guy. And like that's, that's what he was doing. It was all, Pete was so good at the psychological part. And so, you know, the answer to your question really is, like, I can't, I don't have any.

As far as I know, there weren't like alumni handing out money or anything, at least not to me, not to you. Like, but, but, but, but it was the way Pete ran the program. It was so intense. It was so high speed, full speed. One verse once, he would, he would like proactively tell you, you are competing with him. And yet he did it in a way that there wasn't, there wasn't open animosity. I never looked at Darnell or Troy like I hate, no, those are my, those are my guys.

Those are my boys, you know. And I, and I, and I do the best I can to take that and apply it to, to, to the company I get to run. You would talk about, you know, celebrities and, you know, and whatnot coming out. Like I think, you know, Kyle graduated right when they were peeking us. And, you know, the celebrity was coming in. So, like, Snoop Dog will come in and drop it like it's hot. We had a guy freestyle with him in the front.

Will Ferrell come in as Ricky Bobby. You know, we had all these guys coming in on the sideline and whatnot. It kept a loose environment. But, you know, kind of like Kyle alluded to it, also that what he demanded from us as well, he made it very clear. and some of my fondest memories are just the stretching lines. You know, we'd have Ken Norton and Lane Kiffin and maybe arguing at each other.

And Sark. Sarkeesian was there. Ed Ogeron. Ed Ogeron was there. But, you know, Ken Norton. What a squad. Because it wasn't just the players. Because it wasn't just the players.

Well, Ken Norton would be saying, Lane, only reason why you got a job is because your daddy. And then Lane would be yelling back. Your daddy got knocked out by Ali. He said, my daddy, my daddy broke all these jobs. And it was like, but, and then we went straight in the nine on seven, straight in the nine on seven. Just a brutal ball. But like, like I said, there was no animosity, you know, it's like you could tell there was that friction, but it was there was, it was always competition.

That's every meeting, every, you know, was all about competition. And Pete, while he was a player's coaching that, he is fun. Like, he was a killer, man. He was a businessman. And like, and if you got in the way of his program, guys would disappear, man. Like, they would get out. I remember. Because back then there was no transfer portal.

There was nothing. And again, this is my opinion. I can't prove this. It's like when Pete came in, because I actually, my freshman year, I was with Paul Hackett. And then Pete came in and all of a sudden, like guys started disappearing off the roster. He would go to him and he said, hey, this is what I heard. So I'm just, is like, hey, you're never going to play here. And so you can do one or two things.

You can transfer out. We'll sign your papers. Like, see you later. Back then you're to get a year off, right? Oh, yeah. If you transferred, you had to take him. Or what he did was he was he would. went to a lot guys like, hey, you had a shoulder injury, you had a knee injury, like,

you're recovering. Well, medical you, but we'll, like, walk you into the grad school program. Like, because, like, he came in. He's like, how do I turn this roster around? And I can't wait to do it 15 to 20 scholarships at a time. And my first year, 35, 40 guys, like, got cycled through the program at a time that it was, it wasn't as liquid as it is today, like where guys can just come in and out. I mean, nowadays, coach are going like, hey, you should transfer because we're not going to play you and go somewhere else. So he's a killer. And you respect. Yeah, but he did it in a way that just, you know, really some of the fondest memories of my life. Like what, I don't know, I'd be interested to ask you guys the question.

Like, what do you miss more like playing football or the locker room, right? I miss the locker room. That's what I really miss. The locker room is. Clay, it might be commercials. Yeah. Yeah. I see.

I see Peyton Manning's autograph. There was before JJ Watt, it was me on the defensive side. You know, with all those commercials, right? Yeah. The, you brought you bring up Pete Carolyn how like Stern he was. was and hardcore he was, but how he made it fun. Like, he seemed like a guy that he, like, made the, like, the basketball hoop in the team meeting room made that famous.

Like, what were some of the things he did to keep it like? Because my short time I got to me, I went to a junior camp at USC. And it was like, I saw him. And the first time I met him, he gives me a hug. And I'm like, this guy's the fuck. Like, he just had that energy. So he's just built different. He has energy that I don't have.

And, like, he just, I think he was born that way. That is not an act. Like, he is a high energy positivity guy. I'll, I'll give you some examples. And maybe it changed. by the time Clay got there, like, you know, it's the middle of camp and you're, you know, you're, what are the 28 days in camp and it's day 18, like you're just in the shit, right? And your body's banged up and you're going hard.

And Pete's like, hey, like, you know, for practice in the morning, practice afternoon. So at the end of the first practice, he, I don't know if he manufactured really felt like this, but it was supposed to be full pads in the morning, like shells in the afternoon. So full pads. And, you know, at the end of practice, he's like, that was a bullshit practice. I don't like the energy. This is BS, like that just ripping us, you know, which again, that wasn't normally his go-to style.

He did it more than probably the normal fans would think, but like, it was like, and maybe we were dragon ass. So we get, he's like, you know what, because that we're going full pads this afternoon, hitting drills, tackling live, everything. We're just like, oh, no. And so he brings us out in the second practice. We start doing the stretch lines and he like calls us up and he goes, guys like, I need to be able to trust you.

And I'm paraphrasing you. I need to be able to trust you. Like I was not happy with this. So I'm going to give you an option. Either we go hard and like do this the right way or we get on some fucking buses and go to the beach. And there are buses lined out right outside practice. And we all get on the bus in our full pads and go to Manhattan Beach and go to the beach that day. Like. Yeah.

Movies. Yeah. We go watch the beach volleyball. Yeah. And just stuff in the meeting room too. I can't remember why. But we always were shooting water up in here. Guys taking their shirts off swinging them around.

I don't know why. but like we just that was it every meeting they always call people up to make fun of other people like what you did with graves like i always they called me up all it's because i was just a walk on at the time like nobody and then you know like they would call people up to make fun of others they do one-on-ones watching people get cooked or whatnot up so like they always promoted that environment i'll get you on that team meeting so like we might have to cut this just because i like this guy but um we would come in burn him destroy him no no no we didn't it's all see fun We're having fun. We would come in and like to Clay's point, like, there is this, it started my sophomore junior like the meeting room, Coach O was getting mad about something and he, he smashes a projector with his fist and like, these are projectors, like, I'm getting old here. And he smashes it and throws it. And then like we're getting hyped.

So Kennedy Pola, this big Samoan running back coach, he played running back, just awesome guy. like he takes a chair and throws it through this window because they're like floor to ceiling windows like 12 feet tall and throws it through the window and we're sitting like what has happened so then that became kind of like whenever they felt like we would just start getting hyped and thrown water and so Kennedy Polis started saying like what's the first thing you do before you get in a fight you know it's like take your shirts off so everyone takes their shirts off we start like pushing each other and like yeah yeah you get me hyped up right now yeah and then he's like

then there's this channel like war time it's time to go to war like war like like we're gonna take it outside like what do you do you take your shirt off like let's go outside we're about to get in the fight that was our chant like back when we were winning i don't think it is anymore you know lincoln might need to bring it back but my point is so then um so it started getting more hyped and every every meeting got more and more hyped it wasn't you know to eventually like you took your shirt off like everybody's taking their shirts off and then we had a linebacker coach coach holt nick holt he was your coach he ended up going to coach idaho for a minute he got so hyped up one time

he took his shirt off in front of the whole team then he took his pants off all of it underwear no shit and he's jumping around butt-ass naked everyone's like yeah let's fuck whoa whoa whoa

and like he's like what too much it's like dog but like and everyone was like what just happened he was a grown man naked he just he got into that like manic alpha where he went. 18 and older.

18 and 18. Eight barely legal kids. Yeah. And I was like, all right. Like, after that, we, we agreed there was, there was a limit to the height. We got to draw a line. Was it the next meeting Pete Carroll being like, hey, we can get excited, but let's keep our underworld. Probably.

Like, his Pete had a great way to roll with it. But that's when I was like, all right, this place is crazy, dude. That is fucking awesome. It was just, it was just next level. And then, uh, then the NCAA came in and killed it. So fuck the NCAA. Fuck the NCAA. Yeah.

Do you ever go to Reggie Bush's house in Malibu in college? No, I did not. Did he have a house of Malibu? I think that's what he had that. He had cards. This is how stories. Allegedly. This is all allegedly.

The only thing I got, I honestly, the only, I never saw money. You know, I've never seen any of that. But I got two free Arby's roast beef sandwiches in the valley. That was the only thing I got in my five years at SC. I got nothing. So all this stuff, like, where are these guys getting? They get free, you know, whatever it is, hundreds of thousands of dollars. I just, maybe I was just, I had my head in the sand, but that went over my

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arguably the best linebacker room of all time of all time of all time facts facts you maluga kushyava yeah we went kuluka keith rivers well that that senior class yeah and then because keith was older by the time he was a year he was a year older so he went ninth though but i was even there lofa was second round um but yeah my senior year was me and kush went first round and ray went second right should have gone well you're supposed to go first and then myava went forth uh to the browns we had a good i think we finished first first second second second second in all the postseason Adelaide's and whatnot yeah yeah yeah clay and

Chris had phenomenal Chris Ray had a great career even Kaluka like he started he was like six seven years yeah I think yeah I think maybe yeah that's what it was but that was a great team how was how was Cush in college because he seems like a psycho he's my favorite New Jersey boy he's my favorite savage you just have that thing and when they're playing the Cleveland Browns and he runs face first in the office of Wyman yeah face blood full or face we would be in like coach Norton was Ken Norton be, you know, in meetings and it'd be like lunchtime. And I'd be eating like a turkey burger with

fries trying to be healthy. And this guy, like, you know, I'll offer something. And then you see his little watch go off, click it, reach underneath that, pull out his like customized meal and pills and whatnot. He was just, he was dialed in. But I love that guy. He's still one of my best friends as day. I wish we could have played again. Still keep in touch. But yeah, he was a monster. And I think he helped elevate that room because of his jersey tough mentality. He was about it. He was about that like he was about that action. Yeah, yeah. He and Clay knows him super well, but like I was thinking last time I hung out with Cush. We were in Miami and, and, and we're down there for the Pro Bowl. Clay's in the Pro Bowl. And so we're me, Clay, my brother Casey and Cush, we're having a good time. But it's like, you know, like it's like midnight 1 a am. Like I'm getting tired, man. We're like grownups and Cush like, come on. Like we're in Fort Lauderdale, which is about an hour north of Miami. Cush, like, let's go to Miami. There's a party at a club Miami. My teammates from the Texans of Andre John. is from Miami, he's throwing a party. You remember this?

Man, it was. So, hold on. We were the only white boys there. It was all. Go ahead. So we're outside. We're outside this club. We're with, it was Ray Lewis.

It was Dan Hendo Henderson. We're sitting outside and I'm like, no, dude, let's do you come on. Like, go home and Cush, like, no, come on. Like, what do I got to do? And I swear to God, you look down and I don't know that in the curb. There was a $1 bill in like a dirty cur, like in like gutter water. And I was like, you eat that $1 bill. And Cush is like, well, you eat that one dollar bill.

It was like, what? I was like, eat that $1 bill, we'll go to Miami. So Cush rolls up, he eats a gutter, like a gutter water $1 bill and he goes, mm. I was like, fuck man, we're going to Miami. So we go down to Miami, hold up, it gets better. We go down, we don't really understand the context of this party. So we roll in, it's a nightclub, Andre Johnson and the entire you is throwing it in like, you know, like, coral tables or brickle or somewhere down there.

And we walk into Clay's point. Like this is not, you know, it's like, we're the only white dude's there. And like, which is fine. Like, we're like, oh, this is fun. And Cushing, we go up and they have a table for us. We're, you know, we're dapping up some people we know. Cush disappears. Disappears.

Over there, Mario Williams, dapping them up in the middle of the two- In the dance floor. So listen, we have, so they're just- Down there and disappear. Hold on, hold on. It gets better. Left you. We left you out of dry.

This is a Cush story. So like, again, like, Clay, you can make decisions if we edit this out. I think this makes it. I think this makes him look even better, but he disappears. And they're bringing bottles and bottles and bottles. We're not drinking. Like, again, now it's 2, 3 a.m. And like the Matthews were like, let's go home.

Well, anyway, all of a sudden we're like, hey, we're going to head out. He's like, well, who's paying for this bill? And it's like, this is $10,000. And it's like, well, I don't even us. It's Cushing. So Cushing had left his credit card on the table. That's fine. Cush had like a $2,500 limit on his credit card.

Boys, I got this. Don't even worry. He's like he's disappeared. He has his credit card. Can't pay for anything. And we're like, we're not paying for it. And like, they're like, someone's paying for it. And so finally we got the guy to Andre Johnson comes over.

It's his party. I think it was like his cut. Somebody got it. I got it. And then we were saying, hey, to Andre Johnson, you got to go track Cush down to get the money. And he got the money. But like, that was Cush. Hey, where was Cush?

Oh, he just disappeared. He just disappeared. He was down there amongst the crowd. I know where he was. I know where he was Cush told me the story He said like yeah yeah I got you

And then like it was like a month later And somebody rolled up on him He had to like write a check or something Oh shit Yeah you got that money He was like yeah Somebody rolled up on him was like Hey like where's the money?

Yeah That is so wild You know Cush is that guy That's not an act Like he's a savage You know Lineback of him ass He had to be crazy

It was great I mean it was my entire motivation And inspiration Like in my high school days Like my dad My dad was pretty psychotic with me as a kid but you were the walk-on story kush i had to do all i my dad would buy all the de franco tapes and i would have to do all the defranco method that kush would do i mean kush just got that you know

diabolical before and after photo with when he was going through labrum surgery and then all of a sudden he's like fluxing with you you guys are both fluked in the classroom and then ray maeluga was my lock screen so i was all sc linebackers why didn't you go there i wasn't good enough i didn't get an offer what year was that oh eight was the classic i think that was i think that was tyrant smith is What lineback? Who was like Chris Gallipo or who were? Yeah, him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, because my brother, I think. Because he was a five star. Yeah, my brother came out, he might have been like a three or four star, my younger brother. And, and, um, S. Pete passed on him. Yeah, well, I don't know. Was he still there?

Well, anyways, they passed on him. And, uh, so he went up to Oregon. Obviously, Oregon had played in the national championship. I ended up losing the Cam Newton. But, um, after like the first year, he was, he did your brother want to transfer back to USC? Like, he missed it. You missed a boat.

Yeah. That's a brutal. Supposed to keep in the family. What are you guys doing? I have a vivid memory of, it's like week six or seven. No, probably the first couple of weeks of my rookie year. And I'm not starting. But I'm watching Ray Monoluga on the Bengals.

And we had a whole game plan of like, hey, we got to hit the perimeter on these guys. So we were watching a bunch of pin pull things with tackles going out. And there's a clip from the Ravens where Ray did not give a fuck about making the tackle. He was just murdering. He was a thomperman left out. Right then I sat in that main room. I was like, I pray to God. Nobody gets rid of this game.

He was not playing. As a freshman, I'm at. at USC they put him on kickoff like L5 R5 he'd run down there biggest head ever to a neck and he would just lead with his head and just knock people out and he would just get up I mean he was like you would think he was just straight from the island like you brought him over like Maui you know he just like demigod yeah yeah he was like he was like I was telling Taylor before this like when we were talking about Maaluga his body like everybody has like a reaction when they're making a big hit like Ray, his body just always stayed so compact.

Yeah. His body never moved when he made a big game. There was no like blowback or anything. He was like ran through people. Yeah, he was just a brick wall. Yeah. He would, yeah, he would have been perfect. He probably could have left. I mean, still played several years, but he probably, you know,

that rate, you know, late 90s, early 2000s generation of inside linebackers who just needed to run downhill. Yeah. That game he had at the Rose Bowl. Oh man. That, uh, U.S. UCLA highlight that just popped up right there. Yeah.

We ended up. Right now. Yeah. We ended up, I think, losing this game. We would have gone on the national championship. Dude, that quarterback's in real estate. He reached out all the time. Helmet,

every play. I think his name is Patrick Cowen. I think he's done well in real estate. So he'll reach out and it's like, man, how's your head? You know. Yeah, how's everything's over? So flag. Is that that running back three bar face mess too?

That rivalry. Is that rivalry like true hate week type of thing? Honestly, they haven't been that. Unlike Michigan, Ohio State, you guys, I'm going to say, have had so much sustained success that UCLA has kind of, at least when I was there, they had fallen off completely. They weren't even a top 25. I think my first year, 2004, they were like a, like a teens team, maybe top 10, but I think we'd be in like 70 to something. That was like Reggie Bush's like had secured his Heisman, but it was, it was fun, but it always felt like the second

tier of, of athletes went to UCLA. Now that's obviously changed because they're both kind of around at least at this point, that mediocrity. But at the time, like it was more, Notre Dame and to be honest we SC was so good at the time it was whatever the best team was national change yeah it was like we can't wait to see them Florida Oklahoma yeah brutal before instant replay Vince Young

What answer? You were in you you were in I was I was in the Vince Young one You were in the Vince Young one? Oh yeah because that was 07 that was like 07 05 season his knee touching the ground I remember that it's just it's stuff yeah But I wouldn't like yeah it wasn't that difficult for me

because I was just on like two special teams just to be completely candid It obviously sucked, but the next year we played Michigan. Michigan was, I'm just going ahead in the story. Michigan was, like they had, oh man, Blanket on the left side, Long. Yeah, Jake Long. Hart, Manningham, Henny. Yeah, and, uh, beat them up pretty good.

And then the next year was, yeah, Illinois. We got after them. And then last year was Joe Paterno's Penn State. We played in four. Was Illinois? Was that the Rose Bowl? It was a Rose Bowl, yeah. You guys crushed it.

Ray had a big game on that one, too. Yeah, right. Yeah, there was a period. Yeah, I think you might have. There's a period there against the Big Ten and the SEC where, and I, you fact check, I don't think we lost for like six, seven years, you know, outside of Texas and the Big 12, like, I know my senior year, we went down to Auburn. We rolled Nebraska too.

Auburn had Cadillac Williams, Ronnie, Bowman. My official visit to Nebraska is when you guys, you guys came to Nebraska, you beat us like 48 to. I remember seeing, was that 2008? Yeah, 2008. Yeah. That was a junior. Yeah, no, I started that. I broke my thumb and had to come out, dude.

It was loud down there. Because that's Nebraska. Yeah, they kill us. Obviously, we had 31, but 21 of them were in the fourth quarter. So the backup. But I remember seeing Taylor Mays pregame. Taylor Mays is staying in their pregame. Just a free.

SE won't have their games before the games just because of Taylor Mays. They're like, what? Ron Zook. Ron Zook was a head coach of Illinois at the time. He was our special teams coach for a few years in Green Bay. He said when we took the field and you guys were out, there it was over it was over like we looked we were just in awe you know and that was it god the uni's having that like dude i can't imagine walking off the bus and just feeling like that like

we just look better we are better we're going to destroy every single time but that was that that was that swag at s c for a period of seven eight years and like respectfully like it's been such a long time like i'm just like i'm tired of talking like hey when we did this because well what's what's missing now at cd you think p carroll i think uh No, all right, I'm going to answer this question. So in my opinion, and I'm not the most educated. I'm connected to the program. I try and help them in terms of giving athletes advice, post-playing days,

and how to make sure you set yourself up, not just financially and hire a good financial advisor, but actually, you know, be articulate and ideally fluent in the financial language. You know, it's not just about hiring good people to manage your money. It's being able to manage those managers. I think the game of college football, the dynamic, especially with NIL, has changed so fast. And there's some programs like Oregon or Ohio State. Again, I think Michigan, is Michigan a great NIL?

Because my understanding of Michigan, like, they're getting there. They really did a great job with Harbaugh developing three, four, five year guys. Now they're NIL. I think this year and last year, like the first like two years were really feeling like real, real, money going into NAL. Okay. But you guys didn't win the Natty last year. I felt like it was mostly homegrown players.

But the game has shifted so much and I think there are programs that have really like stayed ahead of that. And I don't think S's that and I blame if I'm going to blame it. I blame the culture of the school because there's still PTSD from the sanctions and I think they're very like is scared of your own shadow. They don't want to do anything without the NCAA saying you can do this, which is like formal opinion letter, submit can we do this while? other schools, it's not that they're breaking the rules and maybe not even playing by the rules.

There are no rules right now. And so there's other schools like, we're just going to do this. And like, it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. SC up until recently has been like, no, we need to make sure we ask for permission. So we're always a year or two behind. My hope is that the administration is being more aggressive with NIL and all that. I don't, I can't say that, put that as a statement of fact. That's just like from what I can tell, like quasi connected to the program.

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, my opinion, no, I just, I think, like, I mean, strictly from a football standpoint, like, X's and O's, I think it's like a mentality thing. I mean, obviously there's some, there was weaknesses in the O line and D line last year when you've seen, you know, Miller Moss getting sacks so much. I don't think he was the problem.

They ended up benching him, like three quarters of the way through the season. But I think they need some more athletes, but, you know, these guys are great, you know, that they've been bringing in and, you know, Lincoln Riley and offensively what Caleb Williams was able to do the last, I guess, the previous two years. And they got a really good decorinator now. Yeah, it's truly remarkable. You're top three, but, you know, that year where they lost to, it was a Utah when they should have gone to the playoffs at that time.

I don't know if it's just like a, because Pete had that, that culture, you know, that hard-ass culture. And I don't know if it's just all X's and O's and putting up 50 every game as opposed to, you know, do you want a defensive-minded head coach or do you want an offensive-minded head coach? or do you want an offensive mind of hit coach? And I think I... You guys are closer because even though you guys lost,

what, five games this year? They weren't. You guys were like one score games most of the time. Yeah, we did. I think they're close. Like, again, Dan Tunnel in as the D coordinator, came from the Ravens. Like, if you just look at the statistical improvement

and respectfully, like me, Clay, my dad, we're on a text chain. Like, sometimes when Estes he's playing, like we'll be like, this defense. But this was the first year where like the text messages weren't about the defense, right? So I think the defense is getting better. To Clay's point,

they really need bodies. They need the big guys. They always have athletes. Look at the receivers in the NFL. Like, you know. That's why whenever they play like an SEC team or Big Ten, they always get bullied a little bit in the trenches, you know. But they'll put up, like I said, 35, 42, whatever it is. But it's just that, you know, they'll, those teams will run it down the throat.

And if you look at the old SE teams, like back when Clay and I played that were winning every game, the Reggie's, the lineouts, all those guys got the hype. But actually, if you look at the guys they put in the league, it was O-Lime and D-Liambackers. Right. And so I think I'm very optimistic about Lincoln. I think he gets, he knows what he has to do. There is a reality in college football. Like you can know what you have to do. You can say, hey, I'm going to go out and do it. But nowadays, it's money. Right. And if you don't have an NIL war chest, like you're just not going to be competitive. Like kids don't, most kids don't sign up for the uniform anymore. Right. It's like even if they grew up an SC fan, if they have a big freshman year, they're going to get a phone call from Ohio State saying, hey, or Georgia saying like, hey, why don't. don't you come here and I'll pay you a million bucks a year? They're not like sorry, I'm an SC guy. They're like, they go to SC and then how much you're going to pay me. I think, I think NIL-wise, they've figured it out, but like, I don't know. Yeah, college football is better when, when SC, the Notre Dame's, the Mishigans. Nebraska. Come on now. Is in the top

2000s. Nebraska is sneaking in that top 25. The NCAA football is better when Nebraska's, you know, nine and four and not six and six. Yeah. Well, every year they've gotten one one game better. You guys only beat this because of a pass interference call at the end. I don't think I watched that. That was a 12 o'clock game. You know what I'm watching that? You're only private. You only show up for the prime.

Yeah. I'm screaming at the TV over PI calls. You guys keep up with college or NFL more, as far as just enjoying it. For me, NFL. Yeah? Yeah. You're not a big S.C. guy? No, no, no.

I'm huge S.C. guy. But I'm just saying, like, it's hard to, you know, with the, I guess, the lack of success or what we're accustomed to seeing. Yeah. No, I sit down. My wife knows like Sundays are my day. Like I work to about 12 o'clock around the house cleaning up, you know, making banana bread. And then I sit down making banana bread.

Yeah, that's true. And but no, I really enjoy the NFL as far as watching it. And because I felt like I don't know how it is for you at Lyme. You as well. Like I felt like my mind at the end of my career was just so tuned in. And naturally always tell you this. Like I was just, man, I was like when I went to the Rams, I, Chris Shula, who's now the defensive coordinator. he was my linebackers coach

but we might as well been the same as far as you know on the same page and being peers and whatnot and so I just felt like the way I was able to give back and teach these guys who were playing behind me at the time like my mind was just so far advanced and of course that's the time when I'm pulling the plug on you you're like well now all I got to do is sit at the TV

and be like I guys got to do this but I enjoy the NFL still dude I hear what you're saying with watching the games that kind of turns me away from the NFL a little bit more because I'll watch the games and I'll get so caught up in the offensive line of what they're doing that I'm not really enjoying it.

As opposed to I'll watch college football, whether it be Michigan or any other team. It's like the offices are so different and the talent level is so different and the mistakes are so much more often. So it's kind of more fun to see these massive explosive plays, guys being out of their gaps. It's like I enjoy that more.

I enjoy watching the mistakes. I will say though like the first, who I don't know if it was like Chargers, Texans. That was just a, to me, that was a background noise game. But when Amar comes on and Sequin, I feel like I tune into the superstar, like Jamar Chase, Burrow. Like there's guys Mahomes who I will watch the whole game start to finish. But I feel like that's just a select maybe, you know, 8, 10 teams there.

How bad did you want the Bengals to get in? Oh, yeah, absolutely. The Bengals are so fun to watch. Yeah, they're super. Every year they're dangerous. They obviously gave away too many games early on. But the way Burrow played at the end, obviously, I mean, he won't win MVP, but based on a stats, very well could. And Jamar Chase, it was fun to.

watch. He watches more football than I just, obviously close to the game, but I was going to say most of the sports we get together and watch this is UFC. Because again, with the four kids, the three kids, and then I got my work life during the week, there's not as much time. So for me to take a Saturday a Sunday and park it and say like, hey, you know, it's not my job. It wasn't my career the way it is his. So I get that for him. But for me, you know, the deal I have is like, hey, you get the kids of bed on a Saturday night at 830. Like, that's when the UFC comes on. So it's a main card stuff. Normally we'll get together with my brother, Casey, and like, we'll watch the UFC. We'll talk about what we would have done differently, how should have shot Sean, should have defeated Maraub, you know.

I told Taylor when I first saw Taylor because I was so like, like just, I guess envious of like how close you were to Dana and how you were there. I'm like, man, because in 2019 when I stayed in Green Bay with my contract up in the air, there was no sports on at this time. And the UFC was this only thing that came on pretty much every week. So I started to tune in. And all of a sudden I see a fighter. I saw a fight three. months ago fighting oh okay i remember that guy and so i probably haven't missed a fight night a pay-per-view you name it and since 2019 do you watch this past weekend with mcancy durn yeah i watch it

yeah dude maybe the best slate of fights in a long time they're like three knockouts well okay it was crazy at all i watched the i watched the i watch the okay no i usually i usually i usually sit down six years except well yeah i watched every single one when i saw when i saw like who the main card was i was like all right but then you know there was there was there was some good there was some good fights on it but I'm looking forward to this weekend coming up here there was this one dude who was just getting pummeled on for a minute and you thought he was about to get knocked out and he just threw a straight right in the chin dude was out for like a minute yeah I saw that to the point where like everyone's like clapping and cheering there and everyone's like fuck is he dead

yeah I did see that one what's going on here yeah shit was nuts we're like that mean you sent me the meme the other day like that fat guy on a couch with a beer like point why did he shoot the single layer it makes no sense dude those are just fucking like michael chanler he's just what five, six, just built like a pit bull. Right. And he is terrifying. We had a, we had a beer Olympics. And me and Will are wrestling, Shane and Bert. And they call for Mike. And Mike gets a hold of my heel. And I'm like, borderline drowning in the pool. Like I'm kind of like praying to God, like, please let me up because it's about to be over for me. He just, they're just different breeds

of human beings. Mike's fun to watch. Since he came on the scene, I remember just a, yeah, I remember him talk. He did like a, he backed up one of these fights. I don't know who it was. He was ready to go. And then he fought Dan Hooker. And I was like, man, he's good looking, he's articulated, he's a champion from whatever it was, and he came over here, had immediate success. But even in his losses, he's fun to watch. Right, right. This is Mike. Boy, he gets my heel here. Watch my head of my head.

Go it over your head. Panic is setting in. Wait, what he was freaking out, dude. Yeah, even when he loses, he seems to come out on top. Yeah. He's the only guy who can cut a promo after, you know, losing five round, well, four to. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Do that all the air fight was.

Yeah, it was phenomenal. That fifth round, I'm like crazy. You almost got him. Yeah, I mean it as a compliment. He's like a WVE guy, like in terms of a hype man. And I think other wrestlers, you know, are taking note because like ultimately what are they there for? They want to win fights. And obviously they have a passion for that.

It's to make money, right? It's to. Markerability. Yeah. He's great at it. Playing the game of story. That's something I think UFC does better than anybody else is like playing into the storylines of the beef between the two individuals. I think that is so money.

I had to take on Michigan, Ohio State after Michigan planted the flag. And then in the post game, the post game, like, show they're talking about how there's no place for that in football. And it's like, don't say that because you know next year you're going to the game, you're going to show that to get everybody to go watch the game. Like you want these storylines to like, you know, make everybody kind of tune in. Because a couple guys from SC, you're like, you're not going to be like, let me go watch Michigan, Ohio State today. You'll probably go turn on USC. I want to see Ohio State wins and plants the flag and starts to fight. Yeah, yeah, you want to see that.

And I'm thinking of myself, we got to get five in a row. And so now we're like diving in. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm different. Like, if you don't want them to plant the flag, don't lose. Yeah. Like, that's how I see. I love that thing.

I love that thing. Who do you think someone in the national championship? Notre Dame or Ohio State? Ohio State. Yeah, I think Ohio State's rolling right now. I think since that Michigan loss. I'll tell you, I don't like Notre Dame being an SC guy, generally speaking. But like, man, I like that coach, Marcus Freeman.

Like, he's a... Seems like the Bears are going to interview him. That's what I heard. Yeah. That's probably just to create... But again, that's probably to create... But again, that's probably to create a lot. leverage to get a better deal with Pete.

That's right. Fair enough. Like if you're thinking like and you're like, we like Pete, he has success. He brings energy. We have a good young quarterback. You don't just interview Pete and like, again, Pete's got a great agent. You bring in some hot candidates. You don't tell him this, but you're just creating leverage to negotiate with Pete's business.

And he's got it. He had to pick up books early. Early at like 22, man. I started working. No, I remember I got to. to my work the first day. I had to YouTube. This was when YouTube, like how to tie a tie the night before. My dad was the best dad in the world, but he never had a traditional job. He was an NFL football player straight to being a, you know, our youth football coach. And so that transition was very

painful, man. It took, it took years for me to catch up to the, you know, I want to say, you know, stereotype the frat boys, like who's not just in college. I never, I didn't think that. I should be preparing for life after football. That was something like after my last game was like, oh crap, like what do I do? Right. And on top of that, you know, they just had more, it took me a long time to catch up. That was, that was pretty painful. Yeah.

Should we hit our tier talk? Yeah, let's hit tier talk. Our tier talk this week is going to be best brother athletic families of all time. That's Matthews. Explain them how tier talk works. So tier talk is basically your top three. You'll start a tier three. You give a reason why or you give a little, you give a few words why.

Tier 2, tier 1. What are you saying brothers? If you want to give an honorable mention, that's on the table as well. Brothers or family? Family. We'll go family. We'll just put it all. I was saying, I'll do brothers.

You guys brothers. I want to do brothers. So you obviously got Peyton and Eli. Hold on, hold on. You got to start at three now. You got to start. So here's it. You got to start three.

You can give an honorable mention if you want. You go honorable mention three, two, one. And then everyone's going to be silent after. We're going to go around the room. Everyone's going to say one word to describe how they feel about your tier talk. So, okay, so I'm going three, two, one. 3 2 1. Okay.

So. Do we, are we each given our own opinion? We collaborate. No, no, everyone's given their own opinion. Yeah.

I think. Sorry, real quick time out. Dude, is there a list of like, tough teeth? Or I have to think about it off top of my head. Mannings.

I would go, Manning's one. We can work the other way. Manning's one. I would say the Watts, two. And then. Any sport,

too. Oh, now we're doing that. No, no, no, no. I can't, I can't think of many other.

I mean, I know the longs had success. The bosses are obviously. Nick's playing well. Phil's families, I think Mayweather's got to be in there. But it's brothers or its siblings, the William sisters. Okay, wait. Are we going just NFL? Yeah, are we doing NFL?

Come on, you brought. Oh, yeah, we're doing an NFL player. That's a good simulation. You haven't you talking about tennis. Sorry, well, JV, back there, any sport. Who did you just tell? we were asking chat gpt i gave me a good one what do you give you Kyle all right so a couple oh gosh because i agree with you i think one and two is mannings and then watts yeah so

three trying to figure out tier one the best right yeah okay we're doing two to a whole different way oh yeah this one we'll just do a collaboration all right i got it i got it well i don't do i don't agree with your tier too all right here we go oh you want yeah honorable mention oh we're going that's four The Jones family. Arthur Jones. Jones. John Jones. Yeah.

Okay, I guess we're doing. Good pull. Good pull, strong pull. Okay. The Jones. And they're tier one in terms of who I don't want to fight, right? Fair enough. All right.

Also honorable mention the Gronks, the Gronkowski's. Okay. Like they're, they had players, but I would say tier three, like beyond honor mention higher than, I would say the Watt family, JJ and T.J. and tj i'm at their studs right but there's no but to that it's just if you want a tier one tier two i think you got to start talking generationally like did their dads play their their their grandfathers like you see what i'm saying like and so tier two is the mannings because you had peyton and eli who are incredible and archy and then arch coming up and then arch coming up tier one is i mean it's

100% of matthews most games in NFL history across the three generations, like, and what, 11 different football players who played a game in the NFL? Some one game. Jake's still playing for the Falcons right now. Jake's at 100 and, you know, seven. I think he was drafted before you, uh, right, Taylor? Yes, he was, my. I remember a post.

That's the show. Thank you. I remember you posted something a long time ago about- So tired about that. Yeah, you went down to Atlanta. I don't know, you posted something. And it was funny because my, my cousin, Jake's brother, had re-posted on Instagram.

I was a funny little bit right there. Ben. Well, I mean, I got a little. I thought I was a Falcon. And I literally remember talking to Jake. We were like doing something during draft week. And I was like, hey, where do you want to go? And I'm thinking, I don't know what I'm thinking.

He's like, I want to go to the Falcons. I was like, I want to go to Falcons too. We kind of kind of looked at each other. And then we were cordial nice. I liked Jake a lot. He's awesome. Great guy. But when that phone rang at 6 and he was two tables away from me, I was fucking sick to my stuff.

I got a question. Yeah. Looking back at the careers, if you're at the gym, how would you draft that today? Probably take Jake before me still. I mean, he's had the longevity. He's 11 years in. Now, I think I had a higher ceiling, but you can't beat long. Like, the best ability is durability.

He's going to play another. Yeah, he's going to play a long time. Yeah, I think he's at. You want that, like, I was going to say in. He's the number. I think he's right now he's got the streak for longest. He's a Matthews. He hasn't missed a game.

I think since his. Which gets back to the first question. But you would take, if you go back to that, it was brothers. Yeah. Well, we went to family. You're the one who even said brothers too, and then your brother brings in the entire family.

But now it sounds good for you. So you're like, yeah, let's go family. Hey, to go back to that because I am peaceful. You guys do that. You take Jake second or third overall, wherever the Rams picked over Greg Robinson. And then I probably go six. Actually, you probably take Zach Martin.

Because he's in that draft class as well. He went to the Cowboys. He was a hall of a favorite. He probably actually goes. before Jake. Yeah. So it'd be like Jake or sorry, Zach, Jake than me. Because I'm obviously I had like a more splash and there's still more time on Jake's

career to do that. I mean, I think Bruce didn't make a pro bowl until his 11th year. No, no, no, no, Bruce made like, he made 14 probles. But he like he didn't make it for the like he made in the back half of his career. So yeah, I think, I mean, obviously you take Jake before me for sure, for sure. Makes me sick saying it out loud. We'll delete that. Let it that out.

Yeah, I like how Kyle throws it in there. He's like, let's think about this. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this question that we know is going to hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on over here. Yeah, we kind of spun this. Yeah.

That's a veteran tear talk. That's a veteran tear talk. That's a veteran tear talk. Oh, he's good. He's read a few books. He talks about leverage and everything else. He knew how to spend the entire conversation on this. I mostly chat GPT the books and represent that I read them.

Yeah. Yeah, I think when it comes to brothers, though, it's hard to beat the mannings or the Watts. Jones for sure. Like you had Chandler play at a high level and then his brother John Jones in the UFC. As far as the sport of football. But family lineage.

What about Bosa? Tiki and Ronde? Yeah. The Cuisineberries? The Kelsey's? Oh, yeah. The Kelsey's. Those guys.

Yeah, they're going to be, yeah. I forgot about these guys. I mean, those are both Hall of Famers. They are both Hall of Famers. Yeah, man, there's some good brothers. Yeah. Yeah. I put the Kelsey's over the Watts.

I don't know, man. The Watts. Impact. That's what I'm saying. Like, Kelsey's, you know, I'm just saying both of them. Like, all pro. Let me put you real quick. Swifties listen.

No, I, they will be ready. I'm looking at for you. Kelsey number one going away. I remember Jason pulling from the center position on like a toss, you know, and I'm middle linebacker trying to get out there. Like, holy, this guy's running 60 yards downfield. Now, I'm saying they're studs, but as far as impact every game, you know, like sack, cause fumbles, which change the center can't do that. A tight end.

Which gets to the position you play. That's why it's quarterback. Yeah, quarterback's going to be first no matter what. Offensive tackles and rush. It's like quarterback's number one. Tackles and rush players are two in terms of value to the game. I'm with you. I hear what you're saying.

Safety, dead last. Lasca. It's down there. Yeah. Take the McCordy brothers out then. They're gone. Yeah. Unfortunately.

There's some good brothers, though. Yeah. Good brothers. Yeah. And they're twins. which kind of gives them an extra little bump. It's nice. Now I think the Kelsey's edge them out as far as all pros.

Yeah, but I'm talking about impact. Jason and Travis both of like seven plus. JJ had five. Jayj's three-time defensive player to you? That's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we talking peak? Because his peak was pretty high up there. Yeah, peak was a lot, yeah.

That's a good, that's a good little debate right there. Woss. You didn't say football, but you said, athlete. If we're talking athletes, I wouldn't put the Manning's. potentially in there. Whoa, they're playing. They're football players. Yeah, they're quarterbacks.

I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. What's your definition of athlete? Right. This is a, this is going to go. This has been such a conversation on the bus. Who was it? Michael Phelps is the greatest athlete of our generation.

It's like, all right. Is he? I don't know. Something tells me if the guy put his mind to it, Michael Jordan would be a good swimmer too. So I feel like MJ. No. LeBron, LeBron of Jordan.

I don't need to Do what Sterling and Shannon Yeah Sterling and Shannon Sharp But the recentism right now We're just gonna The hard balls

Yeah The hard balls Yeah in the coaching realm Was Who was your biggest Like rival In your mind From the defensive side of the ball

Like when you're rushing the edge Like you look at other guys And be like I gotta fucking Outdo this guy You're talking about like On the defensive side as well You would watch other people's film

And be like Hey I'm I believe I'm the top edge rusher in the entire NFL, but some people might say this guy is... Edd rushing was, man, it was like the all pro team shifted and pro bowl shifted, well, pro bowl state the same, but all pro team shifted every year. You had Justin Houston, have 22 sacks.

You'd have Jared Allen who have 20 sacks. You'd have DeMarcus Ware with 20... You know what I mean? It's Vaughn Miller 18, and so it was really difficult to be one of those first team all pros. But honestly, to answer that question, I watched their game and I was like, okay, what can I take from them?

And you just hoped that in bettering your game, you would... Because it was all based on sacks. You know, if you could have right around 15 sacks, you probably be a first, you know, first team all pro. But who was the guy that you were like? Did you ever have a guy that you, like, in your mind? Nothing like that?

No. No. I just, it was all about sacks. Yeah. And I realized like it's ridiculous, you know, because I could hit a quarterback and not get a sack all game, but the media, everybody wants to know your sacks. You get above 10 sacks. You make a pro bowl.

You get, you know, you're the highest paid athlete. So for me, you know, I had to just embrace that. It was all about sacks. You know, I, and to your point, when I had like 40, 50, 60 tackles, like I'd get three tackles a game. You would hope that two would be TFLs, one be a sack. Right. And you're all pro at the end of the year.

Oh, yeah. And you got to shut down guys like us for 60 plays. Yeah, it's brutal. You give it one sack and you're a ball. I get it. Yeah. Who's your favorite defensive player you ever played with? Yeah, peppers, peppers, Julius.

Julius was a man. Is he the best you ever played with two? The best in what regard. Just the best, like in your brain, looking back, that's the best defensive player I ever played with. Well, I also played with Charles Woodson, too. Charles was probably a greater playmaker, but Julius athletically, physically could take over a game at his position

because he's what we talked about, pastures, he disrupts the quarterback every play. How about A.J. Hawk. I just does. Love him. I remember when I first met A.J. I remember when I first met AJ, I was doing like, you know, I got drafted and they brought us in, and I saw him walking down the hallway. I always let his hair down, too.

And I walked up to him like such a nerve. It's like, AJ Hawk, Clay Matthews, like shook his hand. And knowing AJ now, I'm sure, get off me, what was your problem? Some conscious. Like, hey, you're a white guy. I'm like, I'm old guy. I'm both long hair. Like, I think we're supposed to be friends.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The best was, did you guys see the game where he gave double birds to his position coach Winston Moss? Well, he thought he was being cut or he thought he wasn't being resigned, right? No, no. He had a great year. Well, yeah, I'm not sure what happened.

But he gave double middle fingers to his coach. He got like a sack on like a blitz. And then like, this is when I was still. involved with Twitter and social media and everyone's like, well, that's so disgraceful, Matthews. You should be fine. People coming down on him. I'm AJ. You got the sack. Wasn't me. AJ's a man though. I like him. You see Clay just tweet. Hey, that wasn't me. That was AJ Hawke tags him. No, I just filmed another commercial. That's all. Yeah. There you go right there. Okay. It was a single, single bird. Single bird. God. Something about the middle finger

dude. Yeah. I think I think I think he was upset because they were taking him off of third downs. It was his contract year. And we were hanging in his house and he had, made a comment like yeah i don't think they're going to bring me back and so he's like fucking i'm out well guess what he had he had a great year and they signed him to like another three year deal that's awesome that makes it even better for him unbelievable so where we're we finish on tier talk i think this could be one where we throw we clip out all the uh brother names that we said and we let the we let the fans aside we let the crowd decide get everybody else in the picture yeah yeah we can roll with his for the clip because i thought he had a good one thought he had a good

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I yearn for it. I need the most psychotic Ray Maluga story. Man. Well, psychotic. No, I mean, well, he was obviously all this highlights and his hits. You can see, man, we had this linebacker on a team. He was a five-star recruit. I think he came in either the same year as Ray or after.

His name was Luther Brown. Luther's awesome. But Ray was on the team at the time and something popped off somewhere. You know, I wasn't privy to it. I was at home doing my homework. And so the next day I practice or meetings, this guy shows up, you know, Luther. And he's got glasses on in meetings. And Luther's jacked.

I'm talking like he's the guy who cut the frill on the bottom of his shirt. Ab's always hanging out like someone you would mess with. I think Pete might have made him take his glasses up or he had to just swollen eye, like all black and blue. Like, what happened? Ray Ray happened I don't know what happened

but you might have to mix you know something in there but something happened and Luther got popped and but

was this in the locker room no I this was outside of the locker room this wasn't at the locker room at the time it just it just I never did any

you didn't ask any questions we just carried on Ray was Ray was ready how did Pete react when he saw the glasses come off I

I mean it was as usual yeah some guys making in the corner getting jacked up Yeah, I understand. I think they just let him feed. No one Pete, he probably said, hey, you got a bob and weave.

Yeah, right. He took everything in stride. But yeah, that was just like where it's your own teammate, your own linebacker. You're like, all right, man, this guy's crazy. He's crazy. And where nobody just says anything to him because you know how crazy he is. Yeah. It's like in Nebraska and Domican, Sue, we had to practice Saturday morning.

He knocks out an old lineman because I guess he was holding him. And Domican just palm to the back of the head, drops him right there in front of everybody. Nobody says a word to Sue. We just, like, move it up 10 yards and continue. was a scrimmage. No shit. We just move it up 10 years. Yeah, we're like sitting in the back.

Holy shit. Am I going to say anything? New guys in the back, pukes his guts out. Nobody's going to say, nothing. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's wild.

Did that linebacker stay at USC? Yeah, he was there. Yeah. Okay. Because I know there was a guy coming out named Arthur Brown. I didn't know if he was, he stopped off. I remember Arthur now. But yeah, Luther was still on special teams and whatnot.

I think he played a little bit. But yeah, when you, nobody mess with Luther. Nobody mess with Ray. Yeah, nobody mess with Ray. I do. I have like a sideways question. It's not necessarily a choice question, but like seeing Aaron Rogers and obviously 2020 happens. He's on his eye on Washington trip. Like was he the same guy at the Packers as you see him as now? Was he always like this level of like trying to be enlightened, trying to like have more in depth conversations and in depth thought? Not as much as the time.

I think he probably has embraced that more now than ever, probably around the COVID when it seemed like everybody was coming down on him. But he's always been, you know, you know, you know, a free spirit, free thinker, never went along with the norm. It's just that because he was the, you know, the franchise quarterback, you got to be the Drew Brees, the John, you know, the Peyton Manning's like the rah-rah guy. And, you know, obviously Aaron kind of marches to the beat of his own drum. I've always said he's like Kobe Bryant. There's, you know, whomever is the opposite of Kobe.

Kobe was kind of like, he was just a killer. But he's not going to help anybody who doesn't seek help. You know, he's not going to be that raw-rah guy. And so I've always equated that to him. He's like Kobe. Like if you, you know, come to me if you want hell. That's why Devante, Jordy, the James Jones, these guys, these receivers who had so much success is because they bought in. They got close to him and they were on the same page.

So, man, I got nothing but love for Aaron and, you know, hopefully it's, I don't know if he's coming back next year or what. Right. Yeah, he's still figuring that out. Yeah, it would, I'd like to see him come back just to end on a high note just because 20, 24 was just. Yeah, I'd love to see him. Yeah, I'd love to see him get a little bit of the revenge that you know he's seeking. Come to the Titans. Aaron.

Come hang out on the Titans for a little bit. Did you guys always get along? Did you guys ever butt heads at all? No. A little defense of shit talking at all? No. Third down period. Oh, yeah.

Well, we did all that. But no, we never butted heads. We beat him that basketball game. Oh, man. Yeah. Speaking of that, that Florida Pro Bowl. It's come back now. We played a three-on-three.

It was Kyle, my younger brother, Casey, and me versus Aaron. I think one of his brothers and one of his buddies at the time. three on three at the down in uh... Miami, Miami wherever it was. I started real physical. Yeah, it got real,

I thought I got real physical. And we ended up winning. Well, Clay set a pick on, uh, one of his, but his, so it's kind of like a Matthews Brothers versus Rogers Bros. Now the youngest is of Jordan.

He wasn't there, but Luke Aaron and then they had a buddy who was filling in for Jordan. You, you knocked. I said a nice screen. Yeah, he got a concussion. It was a conspiracy.

He got a concussion. He's a nice screen. No, he was like knocked out, like eyes open like, ugh. Like, you know that grunt sound? Yeah. He finished the game, but it was a competitive game. Obviously, like, even though he's a quarterback, Aaron's a freakish athlete, you know, like you, I guess, especially earlier on and his career, he ran a lot more. But he's a great athlete, his brother's great athlete, obviously, we were doing okay.

And it was like 21-but then, like, we got to 11, but you have to win by 10. and then they got to 12 and it was heated. And finally, you know, we put them away with a little jump hook in the paint. And Aaron, he doesn't take losses very well. It turns out. So he grabbed the ball and like he kicked the ball. What's that son of him? Into the ocean is still sailing and walks off.

And like, I don't think he's ever talked to me since. You saw him in New York on the streets, but you just got a reminder. But that's the competitor he is, though. I mean, like, that was a funny, fun anecdotal. So for me, I didn't have that career. So, like, being Aaron in a game, like, I'm going to remember that. It's cool. Like, I don't go around telling people a story, but, like, you asked.

But Aaron, like, he's got a million bigger moments in his head. He should be thinking about, like, when he won the MVP of the Super Bowl. But I know he knows that. And I know he holds on to it. You'll have that forever on him. And you'll always have his number. You'll always have It's funny too

I was like hey you guys For butt heads Anything like that And you did whisper Like that was that Pickup basketball But part of it is like When I see here

And like it's cool So like if I If we say this story He's gonna be like Hey man I remember that time You went on busing And you'd talk shit

Yeah Oh yeah He'll have it holstered Yeah Literally if he ever sees this clip He'll have a basketball On them at all times And if he ever walks

He'll just roll it to you He'll just roll it to you back He's gonna hold against clay for sure But like You got him now You got the Achilles Like you get less mobile you probably be able to handle them.

Respectfully, I had him back then too. Now he's really pissed. Where's there? I love you, dog. Kyle, we have a harder twisted question for you. You have a business opportunity to buy and build a dream stadium for a destination bowl game outside of the U.S. Where are you building and why?

Are we talking college? Yeah. Well, all right, so I got to unpack this. So I'm building in the NFL. I'm building a bowl game. So hell, you two? Assholes. Look at you fucking best friends over there.

We got college? What's the deal? Who asked like a destination bowl game? Who wrote this question? First off, there's the Bahamas bowl. There's the Bahamas bowl. There's the pinstripe bowl. Then Nebraska gets a cold this year.

I tried to be respectful and just say, yeah. Yeah. So I'll shut. You can tell he caught himself, though. He's like, God damn it. Cut. Cut. Cut that.

Cut that shit. A couple of best friend. Mitch is all ready's as red as his hoodie right now. He's terrified. Kyle talking circles around us. Are we talking college? Football. This is such a lame question.

That's why. I'm not giving it. No, it's a lame question. Well, I, I, I, yeah. I saw the same question. I was like, what? I saw the same question. I was like, well, I don't really understand.

All right. So, look, I'll show you how I approach the question. So I go, okay, a bowl game. But I'm building a statement. stadium for a bowl game. So what's the motivation of building a stadium for a bowl game? It's probably to turn a profit. So now I have to think about like, okay, what city has a built in fan base that likes football outside the country? So I got to do my due diligence. The NFL's probably already done it. And they tend to pick London or Mexico City. So now I'm already

narrowing on those two. Is it going to be London? Is it going to be Mexico City? Those are two the biggest MSAs on the planet. They already have some built in fan base because the NFL's been laying the groundwork. And then I would have to have to be the groundwork. And then I would have look at the economics like am I gonna own this stadium what can I lease it in addition to the bowl game can I lease it out to others and so and then so then I'm gonna get to safety and security because people won't travel unless they feel safe right so I'm probably not being an expert because I've been to both those cities I'm probably gonna go London okay I like I like the answer I think you missed a key spot though Cabo San Lucas it's a genius destination spot

not very far away. Everyone wants to vacation there. You're thinking about bowl games. You're going to get teams. Fans of those teams are going to want to travel with the bowl games. Where do you want to go? Yeah. Beach location.

You want to do a little marlon fishing? Then we'll catch the boys. Put a couple points on the board. That's where you want to go right there. Head over to Mango Deck. See a wet t-shirt contest, push-up competition. Have a little fun. Then Bing, bang, boom, you had a great time.

I agree. I think I touched on that, though, if it was just a bowl game, fine. But the economics of building a stadium is so expensive that you actually have to lease the stadium out all year around. This is why the Titans are getting rid of the outdoor stadium and putting an indoor. Because just leasing it in the summer to Taylor Swift and the Titans, it doesn't make money. So now- Body is ass, Kyle. How am I going to have an event in Cabo like four out of seven days a week the way I could

in a city, the population of London or Mexico City, London being 15 million, Mexico City being 20 million. So me and Claire sitting there like, oh, yeah. I thought hurricane season was over. Yeah. Boom roasting. Yeah, London definitely is the move. Right? I mean, I'd like to change my answer. Doctor, shall we?

Oh, good about saying combo in the beginning. Oh, fuck. What else do we have, man? How are you guys as Little League youth coaches? Competitive? Yeah? No, you don't say. We're aware.

We're in a couple of stories. So I'm coaching now. I coach the eighth grade team on the street football. And I would say our kids are very disciplined and they're running schemes that are probably more advanced than most eighth grade kids. Clay, you're a little younger. Yeah, our five-year-old.

How is he watching him as a head coach? Does he get after the parents? As he get after the referees, Kyle. Let me, all right. So my kids are older. I was asking Clay. Go ahead. Well, no, I got to serve it up.

Because my kids are older. And I it runs in the family. There's a there's a there's a hot bloodedness. I would argue we're not on the field. We're very quiet, very stoic, pretty reserved, like borderline social anxiety disorder. And so, but when you get on the field, it changes. And so as a coach, he's come to some of my kids games to support as a good uncle and my brother Casey as well.

And I get, I get hot. I work the refs, right? And occasionally threaten the other coaches with violence. And so there's been a lot of judgment from him to me over the years. Like, dude, you're embarrassing. Like, I can't go to the game. It's really embarrassing. I sat by him one time and I had to back up in the stands because I was embarrassed.

The ref threatened to throw him out of a third or fourth grade girls basketball game. And I was like, it's like 12 to 10. You're like, one more outburst from you. I had to leave. I had to leave. I was working. He was 12 to 10. Go hard or go home.

So anyway, a lot of judges. to where I'm like, you know what, I really got to look at myself. Like, I got to get better. I got to be a better person. Like, I have to not, you know, get that fired up. And I'm like, yeah, you know, he's right. Like, I got to grow up. And then this guy, I go to his kid, Colton, who's probably four at the time, his first game

I'm there to support. And like, as soon as the game pops off, I see Clay start chirping at the other coaches, start getting real like aggravated, jerky motion and like kind of chippy. And I'm like, okay, I feel better about myself. Did that not happen? That didn't. Now, I was very cool about it, but I did throw some sarcasm and some remarks and some passive remarks. Because he had a kindergarten team.

We were playing with a pre-K, and he's blitzing every play. Like, have some sportsmanship. I know your team's better. You're going to win, but have some sportsmanship. I'm about sportsmanship. And I didn't get that. Yeah. So what did we do the next year?

We just ran the table and won the, you know, the kindergarten championship. There's no losses, just lessons. Right. What was more satisfying, the kindergarten championship of the Super Bowl? Well, I tell you what? No, I don't know, I don't know, you know, how old you guys' kids are, but I finally felt that feeling that I was missing from the football field when I got to coach my kids again, kind of living through them.

They talk about that because we won our first game like 34, 31, and I just my stomach. Like, I was just in knots. Like, I was like, I was with him. He's five years old, right? It shouldn't matter, but it does. I'm a competitor. But the Super Bowl was cool, too.

That was actually a blur. That was my second year. year I didn't I didn't maximize I didn't capitalize it was like off the field like no picture no my we're gonna win like five or six of these guys 15 and one we got to lose to the giants next year Kaepernick runs I was just like I mean the Super Bowl thing's hard to do yeah yeah yeah Charlie Tyree kill he said he didn't meet the playoffs for the first time in his career he's got he's got to go a different team now yeah yeah I didn't have that luxury yeah jake was playing for the falcons they were up what 283 in the fourth quarter to the patriots and

they had that collapse it was heartbreaking and I I was talking to Clay and you know, we were chatting. And I was like, hey, you talk to Jake. And he's like, yeah, you guys like, I'm going to give him some time. This was like a couple days after. I was like, what do you say? He's like, you know, he handled pretty well. He's like, you know, hey, it's tough loss.

It breaks your heart. But like, listen, we're a young team got Matt Ryan. We're going to be back. We're going to be out this thing multiple times. And Clay's like, no, we ain't. Oh, no. No, it spoke to just how hard it is to get back. Even if you have the same exact team.

And, you know, which really leads into just how great the Mahomes and the Brady's are and all that. two quarters away from going to the Super Bowl What game was that? 2019 we were first chiefs Because you guys were taking it to the chiefs And we beat him earlier that year too Yeah And then Mahomes

He and I have the same 40 time He does like some little 40 yards scamper on two minutes We can't tackle What's going on? What's going on? He just scored We ended up going up at half Never looked back

Brutal I hate him Yeah I'm just kidding Should us Since we have them on Should we do our pet peeves with them Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, you guys got time, right? Yeah. What time is? Right? I haven't even look at my, I don't even know where my phone is. It's been, hey, we say it every week, but I've had so much fun on this podcast. This is awesome. Let me pull this out.

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This is ultimately just like a little commonsense. playing session. We just, we talk about what a pet peeve of our has been, of ours has been recently. One that's off the top of my head is my wife always tells me to turn off the light in the pantry and it, it just, it triggers me because it's like, I'm fucking, I'm going to go back in there at some point and snack on something. Why do I have to turn the pantry light off every time? Nate Bargatzi has an incredible bid. He's like, what are we sending a, we saving a nickel for, like, how much are we actually saving turning off lights in the house? You give a door on your pantry? Yeah. You can get one of those press button ones where you just open the door, it turns on

and close it and they'll turn it off. Holy shit. Look at that. Can I just vent right now? I'm my bad. Sorry. God damn. It's not like a woman.

You're not looking for advice. You're just venting. All right. Find the solution, Will. Yeah. It's a terrible pet peevee. All right. Who's going to go next?

I'll go. I'm scared. I'm scared to go after what Clay just did to you. I got the opposite. I'll tell me my pet beef a second is my wife will leave the lights on. So instead of complain, I just put in Lutron lights in the house

and you could just swipe from an app, off, off, off. So have your wife look into that. So I'll tell you my pet peeve. I'll just the entire pie. No, no, no. I'll tell you my pet peeve is political text messages. You guys get- Oh, lots.

So, all right. So I got put on the Republicans, the Democrats, the radical Bernie's. Like I'm getting 15 to 20 text messages a day from every political party. I got put on some list and I can't unsubscribe. It says like, first of all, it says put stop to end to take yourself off. Then it's like, do you put just stop? And then is the two in the end or do I have to spell it out? But no matter how many times I do that, I think when I actually reply like unsubscribe

or stop to end, it just actually, it just actually says, hey, this is a real number. Ladies and gentlemen. And I don't know whether it's AT&T or these parties. If anybody knows, could you help me out and take me off these fucking lists, man. You don't need the information. And I'm getting hit from every side. Yeah, mine's just toilet paper that's put on the roll upside down. I'm not a big fan of that.

Like political messages suck, but like I hate when have it upside down. Because then you've got to hold it and then rip it as opposed to just one quick swipe like that. It's very frustrating. That's fair. Tushay. Yeah. It's interesting. You know what?

I never, and now moving forward, I will notice this the rest of my life and be more aggravated. Yeah. You should be. Thank you. You never want to dangling. My pet peeve is to my children Who want to take every word literally Like if I tell them hey

Please don't do this and then they do they do the thing I tell them not to do And then I explain to them conversation they have They say they don't remember But when I say the words that I said and I add or subtract one word They'll actually be like no no no you said this too That pisses me the fuck off I do not like that So kids you're not going to see this clip

Tell your kids to stop doing that That's how my kids are Guys it's it's you know eight o'clock It's time to go upstairs I was your head, it'll be like, seven, fifth, like, dad, it's seven 58. We don't need to go up. I'm like, like, drags from Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, how about, yeah, how about when you, you know, your kids remember every one time

you commit to something, but they don't, like, they're like, dad, if I do this, I'll clean up my room, I'll do my homework, but they never remember that. But if one time you say, hey, if you do this, you can, you know, play games or get a cookie, they're like, you said this. You said this, they, they memorized it, but they never remember what, what they said. Yeah. Like, dude, my kids will be like, I'll tell my daughter, hey, make sure you, make sure you you do this today and then at the other day I'm like hey did you do this like no I forgot I was

like you need to remember and she's like tell me how I remember right I don't fucking know yeah just do it just do it because I don't know my daughter's too I asked you to do this right do my daughter's too she'll leverage the thing and then not do not follow up with the deal like I'll have her shake my hand I'll be like all right this is a deal you got to shake my hand she'll shake my hand I might give her a piece of a cookie to finish her dinner then she won't finish the dinner yeah because they're emotional yeah it's chaos They're emotional terrorists. Yeah.

You got to hold that cookie over their head until that dinner's gone. That's what you got to deal. No question. Dude, now I said it. I'll just set it far enough away to where she can't get it. She can see it and be like,

you will get this cookie, but you've got to eat five more bites of my chicken. Sounds like you're draining a dog. Another one, dude, is we will, like every night before bed, it's like, hey, five minutes before bedtime. I have to give them the notice

that in five minutes we will be going to sleep. But once that five minutes is up, they also have like a routine of like having a nighttime snack or having this. And they know when I say five minutes, you've got five minutes. However, when I get to the end of the five minutes,

I go, okay, bedtime. Then they want to put out the, oh, yeah, do nighttime snack. You said, we do this. You said we do that. It's like, brother, you had five minutes, right? You remember when I said that. We could have got that done.

And they don't. And then I end up bedding the knee. Yeah, but what are the two times of the day where kids are the most difficult? It's like waking him up and putting him to bed. Like, when you work, that's what you got. Like, I see him in the morning. I see them at night.

And like, those are the two most aggravating time. On the weekend, I'm like, man, who are these kids? They're so pleasant. They're so nice. But like, during the week, I'm like, God, damn it. This is frustrating. You're getting under bed is. It's brutal.

It's a war of attrition. Like, bro, you either take that dress off or daddy's going to have to take that dress off, and I promise you right now you're going to be very frustrated. I know you've learned that one frustrated. You'll be very frustrated and sad and mad if dad has got to walk over there. Let me give you some elderly advice. When you get to four kids, you'd let him sleep in that dress. You're like, no, yeah, whatever you want.

You realize you don't have unlimited energy and there's only so many battles. And like, I got to win the toothbrush. battle you know I got to win the homework battle so I let them I give them the dress battle like no sleep in that dress yeah that's a small yeah yeah yeah you're right yeah it's all sometimes it gets tickey tag yeah that's a roof they're older yeah it's like oh we got to worry about right now it's toothbrush yeah get your can close off put them in the laundry that's a rookie that's a rookie ball right then I got to dance I got a spin and she'll start singing and just spinning and like all right you gotta wait till the ceremony's over yeah Taylor I'll go

back one of the things in my line of work you meet with a lot of in commercial Real Estate, you meet with a lot of older people. And part of their decision making as it relates to real estate is legacy. Like, do I want to leave these assets to my kids? Do I want to sell and do something different? And why this is relevant to, we spoke about it early on is, is they end up like kind of reflecting on their life often as like, gosh, like I, you know, oftentimes real estate. I wish I bought a different building.

I wish I bought more of these or whatever. And that conversation leads to I wish I did and or regrets. It's a weird dynamic in commercial real estate brokerage. And I'll tell you, I have been in living rooms and office buildings and conversations with people who are nearing the end of their life. And I hundreds, thousands of times, I say, you know, I wish I had more kids. I've never met someone who said, I wish I had less. So if you're thinking about having three, just do it, man.

Did you just 1.80 me? You just, you hit end the podcast the way it started. That was incredible. This is just my experience. Just go for it. You're never going to regret the kids you have. Yeah, okay. Unless they're really bad. And that is, and his face is so dark. You're rabble.

No, I am. Because you were like, it's so well-worded, you speak good. I appreciate that. You speak real good. You speak good. You speak good. I talked to talk time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top five. That'll stop five. All right, I'll have another kid. You got to clip it. Send it to the table. If you really are the objection, you're never going to be like, man, like, you're right. I wish I had less kids. But I am I'm so happy

with where my life's at right now. I enjoy it. I don't care for diapers. I don't care about the... I enjoy the beginning part, but the process. I'm not in love with the process. I need to get back in love

with the process of having a kid. Look, your family's like a business. You've got to scale. You got hire more people. Yeah, hire someone to change the diapers. I got, I got land that needs working. I got goats. I got 50 acres.

You got like 200, man. Trust me, it's a lot. 13. Who's count, though? Yeah. No, I'm saying I get it. Like, I, I, I, I, I'm saying. bro yeah you got you got an orchard I got a orchard it sounds like that's it

200 acres yeah out there in leapers aren't you yeah boy yeah nice nice what's with all packers guys moving to Nashville what's the deal it's coming out of territory I just I think we're just close when we played while we had success now we're just just sticking together I don't think that's why I love it that is awesome but at the end I know you want to wrap this up I can see you taking those deep breaths a lot but like the culture you know I'm I'm sweating because it's hot in here. But this is what was so, and I guess I, this is what was so great about our team, while we had so much success is that draft and developed.

Guys played seven, eight, nine, ten years there. It wasn't like you were, you know, some of these teams where they're bringing in free age. We hardly ever brought in free age. Maybe we did need to do that to get over the hump, but ultimately we had such success because we had that core nucleus of guys and draft and develop. Yeah, and I think that's why you see, you know, you got Mason Crosby, his family out here, Randall Kopp, Bakhtiari. Obviously, we moved out here.

I mean, A-Rod bought some land. Yeah, A-Rod's got some land, but he's got land all over the world. So who knows where he's going to, you know, cultivate. But, yeah, I mean, I think we just all like being close to each other. Our families are so connected from the time we spent in Green Bay. Dude, you brought up a guy. We love him, David Bactiari. Just, by the way, let's give a round of applause for Dave.

Just had a new kid, actually. Yeah, he did. Yeah, I saw that, Desmond. Yeah. How's, dude, what? Was he, like, the ultimate locker room guy? Oh. Oh, Dave was like, from the moment he got there to where he finished.

I mean just complete 180 you talk to Corey Linsley about this like Dave when he got there had his head down and whatnot then he got a little taste of success and whatnot and then he just became Bach Tiari D-Bok you know just like just

as you know his 69 King dinner for two you know like he became a character but I love him I just text them yesterday obviously when he had his boy and whatnot but we stay in touch our parents are close with his parents and all his siblings

and whatnot. I love him. He was a amazing player. It's such a shame that his time there and potentially in the league came to an end with, I look good right there, with his knee injury. Because I I texted him one year. He had gotten his second

or third all pro. I said, you're on your way to the Hall of Fame. And, you know, but listen, that's a, there's a separate conversation about, you know, financial security and getting your money and fans don't agree with that but he's a stud loved him still love him but he's ridiculous i remember we had him at my house before the draft he was coming out of colorado and he wasn't a big it's not a recruit a big uh prospect in terms of like a first round guy and we had him down you guys came down the beach and i was just

chatting with him i was like hey what are you thinking like how's it going he's like you know i'm just really eager to get an opportunity i hope to get drafted mid round like you know make a team and prove to myself like it wasn't a first round pick where it's like if you're not going number six you're pissed, right? And an incredible career. I meant, but I got to spend more time with his brother, Eric. You guys hung out with Eric?

I think I thought they were going to be around. Oh, no, then you ain't hung out with Eric. That's a different level of energy. Yeah. Like just, just. Eye contact, like uninterrupted eye contact. Like, you know? Yeah.

His dad, Carl. Crazy Carl. Crazy Carl. Yeah. Dude, Dave is so awesome. Yeah. And Frankie too. Yeah, Frankie is all time.

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How did that come about? So Josh sitting in T.J. Lang and obviously, David, were huge pitch perfect fans. And I have to admit, I hadn't watched it at the time. Or maybe I had, just, you know, just logged it away. And so they were always reaching out. They were DMing the actors in it. and the director, I'm forgetting their names right now. That was just to try and go on a date or something.

Possibly. But so, no, I think one of them I'd say, like, hey, if you ever need, you know, what are they call it, the background people. And so Elizabeth Banks is her name. She had reached out and said, hey, you know, my husband's a huge NFL fan. He's, you know, the director of this and her co-director and we want to get you guys in. So Dave came to me, he's like, oh, she responded.

I'm like, bullshit. Like, they're going to send over the script. So he's over the script thinking we might have like one or two lines. It was like four to six pages of like lines, dances, choreography and whatnot. So I think we went down to Baton Rouge or one of these Louisiana cities and filmed it over like two or three days. And I'm telling you, it was so nerve-wracking. Because it's so out of our element. You know, we play with a helmet on and you're one of a team.

But, you know, having a dance, we really had to embrace it. It did a great job. I swear more people know you from that than the NFL. Yeah, well, nowadays, they used to be football. Now they're just like pitch perfect. I'll take it. I'll tell you. Clay had gotten big.

You know, he was all, especially in the NFL, but when he did, I was like, damn, the guy looks big. Like, I was like, I'm going to go do some curls. I was like doing curls in a cheeseburger. When you go into wardrobe, did you make the decision to cut your sleeves off? Yeah, that was me. So, uh, so they had me in a, in fact, I got a lot. By the way, what the guy.

Right. Now, question, that's nuts. You got a frame. That's like June July, like, like, you know. Do they spray paint that? Yeah, so. You know, you had a couple of pushups before that, too. But I, absolutely.

Yeah. So, so I looked at the script and they had me in there and I go, well, what if we, what if we cut off my sleeves and like what if we can rip them off and they were they were receptive to it so I uh I had them cut it off and they met they had little magnets on it and I was wearing a watch where they had me take it off and we did a couple of things and they just they just they ripped it off and it came out great how many how many curls did you do before that was this is end of the off season so I mean like I pulled my hamstring every year because all my oh yeah the July body compared to the January body it's different game changer tan's gone yeah yeah this is all I mean this is this is all I mean this It's brutal. July. That's all the thirst picks for my wife. We're in there. Now I put a sleep with a shirt on, you know.

You want to tell me your Delaney story? Delaney Walker? Yeah. So Delaney, it broke his leg. Delaney was out all year long. We're going on, you know, we're at the end of the season. And it's December. And Delaney's in the hot tub fixing a rehab.

And we go in, you know, to warm up for practice. So I get in. in there and Delaney's like, damn, comp, you let yourself go. You stop working. I was like, damn, why you got to say? You got the tight tight tights on. I got the muffin top hanging up a little higher too. He's like, you stop working on.

I was like, all right, I guess I'll just join you guys in the saw tub and have some good vibes before I go out to practice just thinking that I just wanted to kill myself in that moment. Well, there's nothing worse. We brought in like a free agent halfway through a season one time. It was like, forgive me. It was like a nobody, you know? And he comes out and like, damn, Claire, I thought you were a lot bigger.

I was like, I am. It's just like week eight. And I can't work out. Like I was, I just like went home. Like, because that's the one thing. If you talked to like, for me, I don't know how it is with you guys. But somebody says like, man, you're looking like trim or skinny or something. When they're trying to give you a compliment, I would just mess with my head.

I'm like, no, I look good. Like, what are you talking about? I would mess with them. People would say, damn, God, it is holiday season. I would mess with them in the opposite. Like if somehow we're, you know, just button heads and be like, hey, man, you're looking good. Like, you're cutting weight. Like, you're looking real thin and like, wireies.

Like, what do you mean? What do you mean? I wish I had thinned in Yeree. Oh shit. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah. Kyle's got to, he's prepped. You've been hearing him talk?

Yeah. He's ready to go. What do you have? What do you have? I have a Nashville business journal and then I have another interview with a designer from New York. What's her name? Rebecca. Nice, Kyle.

Hey, guys, thank you. This has been so much fun. It really has. Thanks for having us on. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. I'll have to get some time. Come to a UFC fight.

I want to. Let's get out there. Oh, just get JETA. Like follow up on this. Or one UFC fight, get the boys together. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Have some fun.

Yeah. No, uh, you're saying, my fault. I thought you meant like go out to Vegas. That's what I was saying. Oh, I was thinking like we're here in Nashville. Like we just get a little house thing going. Well, UFC night. Yeah.

We could do that as well. We'll go over to you guys as 5,000 acres. We'll all sit in different spots. We'll take our shirt off. We'll watch. We'll take our shirts off. So we'll all have our own couch because this is like super close.

Yeah, this busts. We had some bigger ones. We'll figure it all out. Good. Yeah. That'd be fun. All right, boys. Hey, big hugs, tiny, kiss us, subscribe.

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