Bussin' With The Boys - Coach Brian Hartline Explains How He Got Into Coaching + Ranks The Best Receiver's He Has Coached

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Recorded: March 29th 2023 | In our second interview at Ohio State, we sit down with new Offensive Coordinator, Brian Hartline. We talk about how he is the reason that we are even at Ohio State in the first place. Then the boys get into how he started coaching and the biggest differences between being a player and coach. He talks about how the rivalry has been renewed between Ohio State and Michigan. Finally he ranks the top wide receivers that he has coached. Hartline fits right in with the boys, enjoy. :51 he is the reason we are here 1:35 Is Michigan winning good for the rivalry 4:21 what pissed him off the most in the 2nd half of the game 6:04 the wide receiver room 6:57 he didn’t want to get into coaching but here he is 9:12 what burnt him out of football 10:40 biggest differences between coach and player 13:34 biggest misinterpretations going from player to coach 15:26 how do you navigate the transfer portal 19:21 his career ambitions 21:17 coach hartline vs coach hart from Michigan 22:50 how was it being a white wide receiver and talking trash 27:12 top 3 WR he has coachedFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That was pretty well done. I'm fired up that you're here, bro. I'm glad to be here, man. Because you had you guys made it. You were the bridge. Well, I tried to be. I saw you posted that. And I was like, yo, they got to come.

Because Ohio State was on. I think we were going to go to Iowa. But then when you reached out and then I was like, oh, yeah, Brian Hartline, weird flex, but it's a flex. Brian Hartline follows me. I will DM him and be like, hey, what are we talking? Like, let's go to Austin. No, he responded to a tweet. It was like, yo, you guys had to come to a house.

Columbus. Yeah. Dude, of all the places, when we were going through like spring football tour, what should we do? This is like back in December. Yeah. I was like, bro, it would be sick to go to Ohio State just to like see the differences and stuff like that, but I thought there was no way. There's no chance they're going to let us in there.

And you sold out. I was like, I literally sold out. We sold out our life show. In Columbus. Only sold out live show. Good spot, man. Wild. That's fair. Just crazy.

First question. Yeah. Are you happy for Michigan? I never. I never am. No. No. I mean, yeah.

Do you think it's good for the robbery? Yes. Absolutely. In a weird way, you are happy. I love like everyone hating everybody. Yeah. You played here and now you coach here. I played here and coached here and never planned on coaching.

And, and, yeah, I, I, I hate, I hate the team of North. I tell you what, yeah, it's funny how you guys are scared of your name. Yeah, yeah. I love that. You know what you guys should do next year in Ann Arbor? Something real disrespectful. Nah, like in like the 60s. I always remember seeing this like black and white video of the Ohio State team running and pulling down the banner.

Okay, I remember that one. Back in the day, right? Way back in the day. We're talking about like black and white TVs. You guys should do something like that. Yeah, I'll talk about it. It's really ignite the fire. Yeah, I think the fire's lit.

You know, I think it's pretty good right now. I'm kind of, you know, it's going to be a heck of a game. We talked about the importance of it and how big it is. Hearing your boys. I'm going forward to it, man. What pissed you off most about that second half last year? Losing. Outside of losing.

Oh. It was being a, yeah, yeah. What? No, not, no. Coach Arthur Smith. Hey, we were supposed to have year 10 last year. Yep. Do you have any comments? used to be the assistant tight end coach.

I don't want to get in trouble. Yep. But I'm going to fight for you, Will. Yep. I appreciate. That's all we need to hear. Put on the good one here. I'm also available.

Yep. I appreciate you guys. You're 10.2. You all saw the pun set out there. We will be back. Yes. I'll send my list of demands. Don't worry.

That is wild. Yes. I know. Wave the physical. Wave the physical. You're part of the demand. You're part of the demand. You're part of the demand.

Oh, yes. You're 270 pound left tackle. Um, hey, real quick, let's give some flowers to art. Like, what a dog. Dude, he really is the best. He's the best. Oh, yeah. He is one of the best.

I never got to play for him, got to know him. Awesome, dude. Awesome. He was the assistant tight-ins coach when I first got there. We would be, like, before practice would start, like, right after warm-ups. Yep. He would stand in the corner and hold a football, and we would have to run and try to punch the ball out on him.

And I would tackle him to the ground and hit him as hard as I could. And now he's the head coach of the Falcons. There's a reason why he walked up to the wheel. So he thinks you. I mean, I did make him tougher. But, dude, talk about a self-made man. Oh, yeah. Like, they always say, like, show me the son of a billionaire.

You'll never see a self-made man. That's a self-made man. It's incredible. I don't think about people realize his back, like, the true story. People don't know. I know. I know. The son of FedEx, basically, essentially.

Because not on all. Hold yours. I'm going to go get mine. He's going to go get hit a hard way. That's impressive. Then Wilcomton will be on the team this year. Nice. With the list of mans.

Yeah, yeah. We got a. Yeah, yeah. We'll get right. But back to what pissed you off most outside of losing in the second half of that Michigan game. I would say... Man, an obvious run situation. I would say that it would be the...

We only scored 20-some points. I mean, we're the best... It can be... We're the best offense in the country. And we didn't execute at a high level. So, you know, I don't look anywhere else besides ourselves. And that's how I feel about that. So...

There's got to be some part of you, though, watching the defense give up to back-to-back 70-plus yard runs in the fourth quarter. You know, I would say... Because if you watch it, they're in man. And the corner, the receiver runs them off and literally runs the corner into the safety. And that's what got Edwards to run that first run. And then they literally ran the same play, the other way, the next play. That's not a shot.

I guess it is a shot, but I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just trying to talk a little ball here. Yeah, a little ball. I mean, okay. I mean, that was a 10-second play. Let's go. Now our turn. We've got to run it back and account for that, but we're rolling.

You know what I mean? So in our heads, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's better than a eight-minute drive where you don't have a chance maybe to respond, but now we can respond. And anytime the ball's back in our hands on offense, man, we feel in a good spot. Put it in our hands and we'll operate that way.

That's all we care about. I was here for the first quarter of that game. We did college game day, and then I went and watched. And you watched your wide receiver crew or walk out on that field and you're like, this is terrifying.

Like they, you guys went like, what, 12 plays in the first drive? Yeah. Down there? I think you only got three, but like,

yep, meter it out. Ohio State's thing is like, hey, we score fast and we score in a hurry. And when I saw them controlling the clock in the first like series of the game,

I thought to myself, oh boy, we're in trouble. Yeah. The boys might be in trouble. They got a room now. Like I see the kicks. You guys can get these kicks. I see the kicks.

The time piece. Obviously you have the background, being a receiver yourself. Are you the swaggiest? I don't think you should ever like self-promote. I think you should just let everybody else talk about it. So whatever they think, they think. I'm not going to like the cool voice.

I'm not going to like answer that question. I think it takes a confident, I mean, a confident person to operate the rooms that you have to operate, obviously coming from. I mean, the room though is full of like elite dudes, man. Like I'm not sure about operating anything. Is it more like, you know, trying to pick the right guys that fit what we want to get done.

And then the boys come in. and they kind of let it turn into what it's going to turn into. Like, not that it's, I help guide the room, but man, those guys, Marvin, Mac, Julian, all those guys run that room. Xavier Johnson, like, I keep it on the tracks, but they run the show. You said you didn't want to get into coaching, so what got you into coaching? Yeah, so I, uh... Because you had a nice career, I mean.

Yeah, I was kind of good. I was living back in Columbus. My brother was coaching off the field for Coach Meyer. Yeah. And there was a fad there for a little bit where, like, former players would come back and run scout team. They kind of nixed that. But I remember when Clemson had some guys doing it, they talked to me into it, Bobby Carpenter was doing it,

one of the linebacker. He was a stud. So we had some guys come back, and my brother talked to me into it. While I was here, I was kind of coaching up the guys, and Terry McLoren was here, and Paris Campbell and some of the guys.

I think Coach Chiano was now our D.C. at the time, kind of got wind of that as I was over there. I was like, man, I think you got to hire Coach Hart. I heard this story after the fact. So Coach Meyer was like, hey, Hart, I loved to have you as a coach. I was like, absolutely not. I was like, appreciate the offer. That's not happening.

And then that was in bull prep in 16. And then he kind of, you know, we reconnected at one point, February before spring ball in 17. He gave me that opportunity again. I just kind of felt like, you know, God was giving me a chance to write or wrong. And I didn't have much going on the time. I was like, man, I'm living up the up the street. Let's see what this coaching thing's all about. Never left since.

It's really how it happened. Sounds like you were getting a little bored. A little bored. Exactly. You didn't want to the first and then you're kind of sitting on your ass a little bit longer. And you're like, I mean, you got nothing going on. Let's do something.

Yeah. Isn't it a while with how that happens to you guys? Like, when you're playing ball. Yeah. A lot of the time, especially late in the season, guys are like, fuck, man. When I'm done, I'm not doing a thing. Ever.

Fish every day. I'm going to do this every day. And then you get, like, a few months out of it. And it seems like guys always get, like, forward quick. Because in a way, like, your life's been structured since college. Like, extremely structured. So, extremely structured. Extremely structured and extremely competitive.

Yeah. You get burned out a little bit. And I don't know about, you guys are hilarious. but like I got burned out with the sport at some point, you know, and I had to get away from it. I'm like, I'm out, you know, and then you kind of sit back. I went to my first, like, tailgate. I'm like, yo, this is sweet.

Like, this is why people like college football. This is why we like football, because we grew up in it. You don't even realize it because we've never tailgated. We've never done the things outside of football that make it so great. And then you get a chance to do it. And you're like, I get it. And then you recharge your batteries.

And like you're saying, like competitive wise, I'm like, yeah, I got to do something. I can't be sitting around for next. What burnt you out? What burnt you out of football? You know, I think the hardest thing for me is I was, you know, I loved to win. And I, you know, I had a good amount of teams that were a big 500 all the time. Like, we come down in the last year in Miami and, you know, we didn't pull it out,

whether it be Buffalo or New England or whoever to get to the playoffs. And we were just barely missing wild cards. And I hated losing. So it tired me out. I would say that coupled with, you know, turnover on staff, turnover, head coach, position coach, coordinators, like, it's a people business.

And I got tired of getting guys to like me over and over and over and over again because you do. That's part of the game. Like, you've got to play the game in the NFL. And if you don't play the game, it's easier to kind of move on from you. So you're earning the trust of new head coaches

and new coordinators and new position coaches and it just gets old really fast. And if you get in a spot where you're winning, there's not much turnover. Man, it's easier to something. sometimes to ride that wave. But if you get in some spots where it's not, I've seen it in the past. It can make it harder, you know, to kind of continue to prove yourself every year.

And so I think that kind of a combination of not winning enough and turn over on staff. A lot of it just burnt me out. Yeah. Well, you ended up going to the Browns. It seems like that's the wrong way to go. If you want to go to winning, you know what I mean? Yeah, I will say two hours from home. I'm going to go ahead and take my butt back home.

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I'm going to see how this plays out. But yeah, it is what it is. As a coach now, like, how do you see the contrast between being a coach and a player? Like, what are the biggest differences for you? Yeah. Especially on game day.

Like, because you still, you can see it. You're a competitive cat. I'm sure there's times you look out there and like, man, I can still put the shit on and do it. Yeah, I mean, I probably could do a couple reps, not as many as I used to. But obviously, the difference between being a player and a coach is different. I mean, I think that you try to pull on as a player. So I try to coach these guys the way I'd like to be coached. I'm not a big fluff guy.

So, like, I'm getting straight to the. the point. You know, it's on game day, though, you know, you're always kind of nervous because it's like, hey, it's in your hands. I feel like we do such a great job through the week. I don't have a lot of nerves on game day. Like, if we do a lot of good work and boys are healthy and we're out there putting our best foot forward, like, I'm ready to roll. And my nerves is not been crazy, very competitive, you know, whether we're playing in the CFP or the rivalry and all those, definitely different. You wish you could be out there. I'm like, okay, this is that one game where I wish I could go out there and hit somebody.

Yeah. But that's very few. Rivalry's one of them. CFP is one of them. That's just kind of, you want to be in the hot moments. So it's a little different. Yeah.

But it's out of your hands. That's the biggest thing. You know, you can't impact the game. You can't do anything about it. Now when you're watching these players and like, let's say, I'm not going to name a specific school

because that'll be tough for you to answer the question. But like a school that you know from a talent standpoint really doesn't stack up to you guys. Right. How do you navigate? Because it's probably got to be a lot easier when you're playing a top tier team. if you're in the CFP, you're playing like a, you know, a big rival team. It's probably easier.

You know the boys are going to be ready. Like, we just got to get to the game, keep the boys healthy and let's roll. When you're playing a smaller time school, like, do you switch up your coaching? Are you a little harder on the boys, like, keeping their mind on the big picture is? From a grading standpoint, absolutely. It's like a different mindset. But I'm actually more like uncomfortable against maybe a lesser foe than the other ones because the rivalry in those games, they take care of themselves.

Right. The only way you don't take care of business if you're not mentally, like, ready to to turn it on like you are on those games. You see it every year happen. That's the biggest, that's the worry for me. Like, so those are the ones that worry more than the other ones. Boys are going to be ready for those. The other ones are like, could they talk themselves out of it?

Those are the ones you worry about, in my opinion, you know. So, again, you got to make sure you put these guys in good position and they have to execute. But if you got pros, pros, pros, no issue. Those are the ones that worry me. Yeah. Even pros, pros, pros, do that, I mean, playing the league, we would play teams that were in the end of the year. they're out of the playoffs or not. And you hear the boys in the locker and saying,

oh, I'm about to get four sacks this game. I'm about to do this. And then you play long enough. You start to realize, like, we should be worried, boys. If everyone's talking like this,

we got to be a little more nervous. You feel a little too loose. Like you guys in like, you're like, oh, I'm about to go off. And you got to think yourself like, God, damn, we might lose.

Yeah. We might lose a little bit out. Hey, Detroit's out. They're not going to play very hard. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's like, brother, there's still a game.

Like, it's still competitive. Oh, yeah. Feel competitive. Oh, yeah. What are some of the biggest misinterpretations or miss going from player to coach? The assumption that a player can't be a coach because of blank. And that we get labeled a lot. I think a lot of players think they can just be coaches,

even because they played the game. That's not the case either. But, you know, I think that it's good for the sport to have former players be in the sport as coaches. Now they have to earn it, and I get all that. It's amazing how much we didn't know when you get to being a coach. The correlation of, you know, how important is it? Does it, you know, attribute to wins? That's what it's all about.

But, man, as a player, I wish I knew what I knew now as a coach, you know, then. But I think just getting mislabeled, that's part of it. A lot of players think they can just be coaches. It's not how it works. And vice versa, just because they were a player doesn't mean they couldn't be a great coach because they didn't draw pictures since they were 20 years old for eight years. And Vizio, like, doesn't mean they can't be a coach. So that's it.

I think players also probably don't realize the amount of time that goes in for these coaches and the investment they have. I guess the hardest part sometimes is I'm kind of an all-in kind of dude. And so I'm all in on athletes and the guys I pick for our room and all those kind of things. In this whole new world sometimes, you wonder if the feeling is mutual, you know.

And I think it's hard because coaches leave sometimes and then players can now leave too, like in the college world. But I value the relationship and sometimes, you know, that's lost in all of this, especially in the NFL world, right? I mean, there's still relationships or should be with coaches. I think the NFL, they minimize that importance, you know, relating to coaches and coaches having players backs and they minimize that. But GMs don't take that into account when it comes to making decisions.

So we talk about the change of everything going on. How do you navigate, like the transfer portal? When guys, like we've talked about your wide receiver, Dave talked about your defensive line room, your offensive line room, like you have studs. There's no question. You have NFL talent all around this building. How do you get guys that are, be sitting behind that NFL talent with probably just as much talent and saying, hey, you've got to be patient, even though you could go play for this other big school.

Sure. I think that, I think it's relationship-based. I mean, at the end of the day, I think if you guys sit down and have conversations, hey, Coach Hart, what's my path? And you have an honest conversation with them, and they can feel that. It probably is okay. You know, you can work through all that based on the outside variables that maybe the family or anybody else is feeling to in his circle.

But the relationship matters, you know, and I think of the honesty being like, hey, man, like it is going to be tough. It's a long track. If you need this and this, maybe you should, you know, if you want to explore options, you can. You know, just if you keep the interests of the young man, number one, it always works itself out. I think that it's okay if guys find a better path somewhere else. that. Like I'm so player-oriented.

And if you keep it in that world, I think it always works itself out. And so I try to have conversations and I give honest feedback on what I would recommend them doing. And I think, again, based on relationship, you can have those conversations. It's got to be the hardest in the special teams coach. The special teams coach usually gets the guys

are like, you know, twos are working through it. Like your guys that are playing three downs are not going to be playing special teams a lot. And you're telling the guy, hey, he probably should look at the way. He's like, hey, he's a core four guy. We need to get to get me this around. Right. And I would tell you this. though we have in our wideouts like if you have some young guys coming in right they have some

guys the opportunities if you don't trust those dudes then all of a sudden i'm looking up and Julian fleming's on the front front line of kick a k-or blocking some will compton running down on freaking kickoff and so like you know stud so like you know at the end of the day uh it's an you know yes you need your guys your young athletes to step up because we believe frankly that's the gateway to office and defense i mean you can't carry that job at a high level in the special team the world. How do you expect to go play on offensive defense? So, but yeah, I mean, it can be tough. I'm sure that's a conversation for Coach Fleming. Yeah. It's like one of those things you got like, you tell them the truth and like

now they have to deal with that. Yeah. Listen, brother, it is what it is. I had to tell them the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're keeping the best interest of the player, though, how do you not become a little more selfish? Because at the end of the day, your career is riding on 18 to 22 year olds. That's true. And so you're looking at a guy that's like, I know in two years he's going to be ready to go. But right now he's not, but he could play somewhere else. Yeah. Like, how did you disassociate that for you as a coach? Because at the end of the day, like, this isn't your ceiling for you. You want to keep going and growing in the ranks of the coaching world. I would say, though, I mean, if you're that sure of a young man playing in a year or two

and him knowing that, that's okay. I mean, at the end of the day, doing it a year earlier doesn't insure you anything. You know what I mean? But if coach art or any of the coaches are looking at you and telling you with certainty of, where I see you're going to be in a year or two. Again, based on that relationship, you know, you ride that out, all your goals, which is probably the NFL, is still there.

If you're telling me you want to speed the clock up, I mean, that's something you have to, you have to talk, you know, talk about yourself. When you say speed the clock up, do you mean, like, leave early? I was you do it in a year earlier. Yeah. And then if you are doing that, you're probably not doing it. I mean, where are you going?

I mean, we are blessed in Cush Day is a phenomenal coach, and we are the best offense in the country over the last five to six years. So if you're not playing this offense, where are you going? Who's your quarterback? Who's the quarterback? You know, there's a lot of variables that you're now playing with versus being like, all right, I'm going to keep working. Coach Hart's telling me this, this, and this, you know, go from there.

You know, and in the transfer world, like, I've never taken, there's never been a transfer receiver that come to Ohio State. So you see who's in the room, you see you're competing against. There's some variables that are under your control versus when you leave, variables change. Yeah. What are your career ambitions? You know, I would say when I have a job for Coach Hart.

Yeah, man. Like, you know, in my soul, I'm an NFL guy. the NFL. I think it is the All-Star League of College football. I don't care where you're from, what school, small, big, like, it's the best players in the world. There is no other better players. So I love that. I love the degree of separation being so small. So I love that. I love my alma mater at Ohio State. So my heart's in the NFL, you know, I think one day I'd want to coach there. That's the reality of it. When, I don't know, my in-laws are here. My wife's from Columbus. Like, there's just like a big foundation that's been built here. Yeah. I love. I love.

of coaching the receivers when I started. I'll be the receiver coach for the next 15, 20 years. Leave me alone. I'm good. And then that kind of grows. And that's a competitor, right? I mean, you're like, oh, people start putting nuggets in your head. I'm like, yeah, that'd be pretty sweet.

Yeah, that'd be cool. You know, so I like, yeah, you start thinking about it. And I'm like, I do. I love, I love building the receiver room. I love that. It was an awesome opportunity and choosing it, developing it. I'd like to do that on a team. I'd like to be a head coach and try to, you know,

do that team-wide, not just a position-based. kind of doing that now offensively, you know, a little bit. But I like dealing with people. I like building a team, whether it be a staff or whether it be a, you know, individual players. I like that. So, you know, where it ends up, couldn't tell you. But that intrigues me for sure. NFL head coach?

Yeah, I would say, you know, I want to be able to win a national championship in college. So it would have to be, you know, a top program that paints that vision that that can get done there. And then or the NFL. I mean, I think for me, you know, like you guys. are probably similar. All the marbles is got to be on the table. Like it has to be the pinnacle or maybe I may not have as much interest.

Yeah. If the pinnacle is not an option, a Super Bowl or a national championship, that's hard for me. Yeah. I want it. I want all the marbles on the table. I love that.

Beautiful. Going by Coach Hart. Yeah. There's another coach heart in the Big Ten. Oh, there is? Yeah, it's the running back coach from Michigan. Okay. Mike Hard right.

Oh, yeah. He said, oh, there is? Part of them. If you two maybe got in a tussle, who do you think would weigh? that. Me. You think so?

Oh, yeah. Is there any... Is there any... A running back legend for the University of Michigan? Any... Any O.C in the country.

They're all losing. To unify? Oh, yeah. Pick them all. This is why we had this motherfucker on, dude. I did not think. Here's the running backs,

coach. I do... I do... I fuck with that answer big time. All right, cool. That's literally... We don't need nothing else.

We got it done. We got it done. I got some of my players. Like, if you're not... If you can't view yourself as the dudes, you're never going to be the dude. You ever met a dude?

They didn't know he was a dude? Sometimes. Every now and then I got to look at the mirror and be like, I never met a person to the dude. I didn't know he was a first round pick. Really? Wow. Like, I selected in the first round. Holy cow.

Like, if you don't view yourself that person, you're never going to be that person. See, I think there's a big difference though because there are guys that like, you look at them and you're like, oh, you're so-and-so. But then you look at the way they act and everything. You're like, oh, you don't know.

Really? Dale and Hart Jr. Dieter-Hard Jr. Patrick Mahomes. Really? Yes. But Dale and Hart Jr. does not know he's Dailor and Hart Jr., bro.

Really? That's fascinating. I want to know about that. I really want to know about that. Just the most salt-of-the-earth type of guy you ever meet. He's awesome. A sweetheart. Well, you don't think he doesn't think he was one of the best race car drivers in the-

I'm sure he thinks that, but I'm just saying talking about the carry. He also knows. He won't say pick anybody, pick anybody to lose it. That's a confidence. But I think that's a confidence you had to have being a white-skilled player growing up. You know what I mean? You're a unicorn. You're an absolute unicorn.

It was not like talking back. How hard, how hard. was that growing up playing, you know. I mean white. Playing white receiver. You had to have that confidence, man. I mean, don't give me wrong. We could write books probably about, you know,

how some of those like back and forth went. I'll go straight for you. I'll write it for you. You know what I mean? I mean, brother, you got your own store to tell you. You're a white lineback. I know, but I like how you said, I like, I like him saying we could probably write a book.

I'm like, yeah, we can go write it. We can all get in there. I like that. I mean, all of them from, you know, Carmardi in New York with Revis going, gosh, she just wouldn't leave the freaking conference New England and New York. But all of them, you know,

playing all the different corners throughout my time. I never talked first. I would just, you know, throw a bug out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll keep my bugs. What kind of bug? I don't know if I can say that now.

Is there a middle of the road bug we can throw out there? You know what I mean? Because, you know, you know, um, all that matters is the guys you're recruiting, the guys in your guys in your, a room that's here. They're going to be,

yo, coach, you got the sauce. So, like, that's what you got to do. You got to put on your tape in front of the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let them out.

No, a lot of times, I mean, I'm getting far removed now, so that's, which is good, you know. Dave's getting green here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If it turned it on sometimes,

you're like, wow, I'm getting old now. That's why you come on here. Yeah, no, maybe. Talk a little shit. But no, it's, it's, uh,

it's been good, you know, I think, uh, but no, At the end of the day, I didn't want to get anybody fired up. I just made sure that, you know, after I made a play, they just knew. They heard some. Shoulder pad.

Hey, don't show your friends that. Yeah. I was the exact opposite. Have them all in the hell of that. You never talked. No, no, no, no. I was a mouthy individual. Quiet boy.

Yeah. All-American kids. I would say definitely you on the sideline with Shirm. Was it Shirm? Yeah. Shirm. I don't of my favorites. Yeah, well, that was an outrageously late hit on,

on Marcus. That was just crazy to watch. And that's when they were still the Legion of Boom. Okay. Like, who's the safety? Who was everyone was? Cam. Chancellor.

Cam. Chancellor. Earl Thomas. Bobby Wagner. He would walk around with that dark visor on. We were playing them like a noon game. I was like, this motherfucker's a safety. And there was a couple of plays we had put in.

It's called structure. If the safety rolls down, we would just push it to the next guy. And I'm thinking to myself, I got to hit this fucking dude. Because you've seen him. And his hits he puts on it. He's like, he don't care about me.

Yeah. He's not. care about me at all. We're getting super comfortable with Coach cards in here because we're kind of letting some words lie. Oh, yeah. Just for some beeps.

You had two in that, two Fs in that little story. Did I say fuck? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can't say fuck. Three. I don't want to say fuck. I don't want to say fuck loud because I don't want to be disres

It's like the top 100. That's the first time I kind of saw you. I was like, oh, this guy, I could rock with him. What do you mean? When you were on the top 100 doing an interview and you're like, I can't say,

and they're like bleeping it out every time. You're literally doing the same bit. Is that why you did the same bit? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I always watched it. And I was like, that's funny. Will did that. I didn't know you stole that from me.

Oh, yeah. This is when we didn't even know each other either. I was like, oh, this too, he's, I like this. Hey, you're a good, you're a good hang. I almost dropped another one, bro. I am getting too comfortable. I like it. I am getting too comfortable.

There are some good ones, though, talking back and past. Because, dude, when you're a skill player, white skill player, you watch them out there and you're like, hey, brother, good luck. And then they kind of like, do something real nice out there. and it's always like, hey, you're pretty shifty for a white guy. Hey, man, you're a freshman, I thought. Yeah, yes, dude.

I get a knucks for that one. Yeah, you remember Dion Sanders? It makes you feel good. When you get that. Yeah, you get that. It's like, oh, I'm really-cultural stamp of approval. Or, because at some point I might have said, I'm, I tried to warn you. Like, I'll just give him one of those, you know, because I'll do a little bit of something.

Yeah. They'll laugh. And then I'll do something and like, try to warn you. Don't show your friends. Don't show your friends. Well, you get called like white chocolate. You're just like, oh, that was our thing. That was our thing.

Miami. So like that was our little back and forth. I was playing with B. Marsh in Miami. That was a good time. Even Mike Wallace. What was it like playing for Brandon? Playing with Brandon Marshall. Awesome. I mean, he was, he was bad shit crazy. But like, I love playing with them. And we had a great rapport. We still stay connected now. Every time I'm in Miami recruiting, or Fort Lauderdale, I try to see him. Yeah. He's down there. But I love B. Marsh, man. I love, you know, I love that guy. He's doing an outstanding job. Yeah. Yeah. I am athlete. Yeah. Top. three wide receiver talents that you've coached. Top three I've coached.

In the league, all in general. Like, I'd say in general. They're probably in the league right now. They can be here. Yeah, they can be here. That's hard. I think that, you know, they're all different in their own way, frankly, but they're not. You know, the things that Tara McLaurin does and did is different than the way

Chris Olive plays and the way Garrett plays. Jackson's his home another animal and then Marvin Harrison's his old another animal. So like I had picked three. Wow. I don't, yeah, I mean those five are really the one. Rank them. Rank them? Yeah. Oh my God.

Like, what's, what's number one? Number one? Scary's Harry? I would say, I would say Marvin right now. Oh, Marvin Harrison. I'm doing, I'm going to do NFL. NFL like, you know, NFL makeup NFL prototype right yeah Marvin's that NFL prototype you know

wow 3-6-4 208 pushing sub 4-4 probably he was a sophomore last year right he was a sophomore he's got one more year he does he's already he's already projected like top five yeah but you think it's in his best interest to sit out this year and go to the draft right not not play college no that's just oh wow yeah yeah it's a north conversation there i'm just saying he says it's an No, I mean, no, not, absolutely not. I think he'd say it's because, like, he does have major goals of what he wants to accomplish, you know, whether it be post-team awards, winning rivalries, winning champion. He does not give that up.

He's an ultimate competitor. And if he wasn't doing that, he wouldn't be who he is. So that'd be like a total alter. But that is, that is a fair, I mean, just the way the business world works. I said it more of a bias if I don't want to see him. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to mess. You do whatever he wants.

I hope he gets paid. Hope he makes a billion dollars. Yeah, brother, you should go, sit out. Yeah. Especially that last one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Too physical. That game's a little too physical, maybe, you know?

Yeah, sure, sure. You got Marvin? Okay, so you got Marvin more. Yeah, and then I think, you know, you have to go Jackson. All right, Jackson. And the only reason why I feel very comfortable saying that is because Chris and Garrett chose him as well. So that's their comment on. But like when they were kind of talking about, I mean, the things he does,

he makes me look like a really good scotch. And I don't, like, I didn't do anything. He just, he just was himself. Yeah. So, but his, it's changed, change a direction. skills are ridiculous. Like he's going to be very, very, very good in the NFL. Chris and Garrett, you know, they're, you know,

Garrett had a hell of a year, obviously, rookie of the year. You could probably give him the nod just because of that then next, you know. And then it's between Terry and Chris, you know, one was the 11th overall pick and one makes $23 million a year. I don't know. So it's kind of a coin flip. I would say that. They love Terry up in Washington.

I know. And I got to sit probably, I just probably. I say Terry right now because he's done it in the NFL for three or four plus years, that's worth this weight and goal on me. Yeah. A guy doing it one year's one thing. And Chris knows how much I love them. But you're talking about elite group of dudes there.

And I think that it's easy to do it once. Really hard to do it two, three, four, five. More years like that. And be hell of a list. Yeah. Like those guys, they're going to look and the guys that weren't one, they're going to text you. Yeah. They're all in a group chat and they can all.

Yeah. Yeah. But at the end of the day, like, that's a study. group. He's named off. And Terry, becoming a captain, too. Like, obviously I played there, but I don't know him at all. And the next I stood, I do still have there.

Like, they just rave about him. He was in from a leadership. Wasn't he? He might have been his, yeah, I think, like, in the middle of the season, he might have. I know he called up the team in the middle of a game and kind of, like, you know, thrust it himself to be like a captain guy. I don't know if he got to see the first year. I think mid year.

He did. Yeah. Yeah. I know mid year. He, like, rallied the guys at the guys at the point. Great dudes, man. and just, we got to do all that. just getting the boys.

The boys are just telling me. Yeah, that's good. All right. Yeah. This has been incredible. Yeah, I'm good. We're going to do this again sometime. I'd love to.

When you become the head coach. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And then he comes on the bus. I want to see he makes that leap too. Yeah. Yeah, man.

You want you to be a head coach. On the list. We need it for us. Let's go. Let's do it. Hey, this has been an honor, man. Just like, let me know. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Well, we know some people. You know some people. You put in a good word. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate you guys being here, real talk, and enjoy Columbus. Great people, great city. It is fun, believe it or not.

I was here once before, and I did enjoy it. It's awesome. That people are awesome, and they're here to support y'all. You guys sold out of their spot, so have a good time. I'm glad you tweeted, bro. Yeah, man. I'm glad you tweeted. The boys need to know.

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