Bussin' With The Boys - Coach O Reacts To LSU’s Lane Kiffin Hire + Where His Next Dream Job Will Be | Bussin’

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Will Compton and Taylor Lewan have a legendary guest this week with National Champion Coach, Ed Orgeron. Coach O hops on the bus and this one gets electric real fast. The boys dive into Coach O’s life, wild coaching stories, recruiting chaos, LSU memories, The Rock, Snoop Dogg, Adrian Peterson, and the legendary run with Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, and LSU’s 2019 team. Coach O talks about the grind, the setbacks, what shaped him as a man, and whether he wants to be a head coach again in college football. There’s wisdom, chaos, locker room energy, and some of the funniest stories ever told on the pod. If you love football, leadership, recruiting stories, and SEC culture… this one’s for you.Big Hugs, Tiny Kisses   0:00 Intro2:00 Coach O Preview3:10 Weekend Recap20:26 Jarod’s Comedy Show22:23 Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital X BWTB 26:38 COACH O INTERVIEW STARTS 27:10 Growing Up In Louisiana 29:17 Getting His Start In Coaching32:29 Coaching At The U36:23 Coaching At USC45:14 What Has He Learned From The Coaches He Was Under?50:23 Was The SEC Paying Players?53:24 Recruiting In The SEC1:07:23 Coaching With Lane Kiffin1:14:03 Does He Want To Get Back Into Coaching?1:23:28 Recruiting Stories1:39:16 Getting The Head Coach Job At LSU2:09:54 Getting Joe Burrow2:26:00 Recruiting Ja’Marr Chase & Justin Jefferson2:29:05 Finding Joe Brady2:31:40 2004 USC v 2019 LSU2:35:17 Coaching With Bo Pelini 2:37:28 Brian Kelly Being Named Head Coach 2:39:17 Coach O’s Perfect Day2:44:00 Bud Light QuestionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What an incredible weekend we had. Yeah. A credible interview we just had. Yeah. Go Joe. We had him on for over two hours on the bus. And dude, let me tell you, the first 30 minutes. kind of asking questions he's answering questions right like it's as if it's an interview maybe not

even a full 30 minutes i would say about 20 minutes in that podcast the dude ripped his tarp off figuratively not literally and just went into story time full coach oh full coach oh and it's one of those i kind of wish he was still the head coach of ls u i don't kind of i absolutely wish he was still the head coach of ls u he is he is perfectly he is perfectly suited personality wise to be a part of Louisiana the whole thing he understands the culture the people everything dude yeah and the stories of being at USC bouncing around him being at Miami with the rock like dude it was amazing yeah i mean look it's a little past three right now we're out we're in the middle of hour six on this bus we will for the fans keep this one keep this one light keep it shorter than usual yep because i'm fighting right now

you're fighting for your life i'm fighting got to keep the enthusiasm a little heavy i just caught myself you on it a couple times. No. You know how it starts to get a little stuffy. Yeah. With the boys on the bus. It is getting warmer on this place right now. We're all breathing a little bit of hot air at this point.

One, let's be done a couple of things. And our college football, our recap, we talked about the alt-cast, how awesome that was being on it. But before that, before that.

Now, we have had an incredible luxury this year with Fly House, partnering with us and having the ability to fly on a private jet from New York every single week when we're doing our fall camp tour, our training camp tour,

we get on a private jet and it is dude it's an incredible luxury to have we understand how like how there it is again I need a fight I need to stop fucking feeling sorry for myself right now what are you doing

the yon overtakes you right now I'm fighting for my life right now not to yawn back you know yons are contagious like I can feel it kind of right here I'm sorry and I'm hating myself for the possibility of even doing it but yes shout out JJ and shout out fly house

because they've hooked us up big time this year about flying over the place. We understand how big of a deal that is and it does not go past us at all. It's very interesting, however, that every week we fly to New York that we are on a smaller jet. Again, not complaining.

This is not a complaining. This is just an observational thing. Every time Jeremy Klump has been on a jet with us, that's a big boy now. That's a house that flies through the air. That thing damn near two stories, right? You go the Red River rivalry. Clumps on there,

all of a sudden we're in a challenge of 300. Then next week we're in a small little putter going to New York. This weekend we fly to Atlanta 40 minute flight and we're taking a damn apartment complex in the air. And oh, wouldn't you know it? Jeremy clums on the plane again.

The bus and bowl. The common denominator on the bus and bowl. On the nice plane is always clump. It's always clump. And it's always packaged in a certain way. Hey, we need more guys for the Red River rivalry. So we get a bigger smile too. Hey, it's Will's birthday. You put the camera on a smile. So we're going to get a bigger plane.

Hey, SEC Championship. We got to get a bigger plan. 40-minute flight. And you come and let me just say this. You have done without clump managing everything. Will and I basically just got on a plane had no idea where to go, what to do, where we were staying, what the ride was, how we were going to eat. We're essentially newborn infants that are calling an SEC championship game on the, on the ESPN.

So for that, I say thank you. But there was a situation going to Mercedes-Benzhen Stadium. where we drive up to the stadium. We're about an hour ahead of when we're actually supposed to be there, but then we just keep on driving. And I'll let you take over from there, clump, because it was an interesting, interesting vantage point for me to watch you.

We're supposed to arrive at 2.30. And paid the night before. Oh, God, yeah, paid the night before is like, yeah, they got us arriving at 2.30. Like, I like to get there. We, like, you know, walk the stadium. He starts putting us, he started getting the helmet on. You're like, yeah, we do kind of need to walk the stadium.

We kind of figure out. the lay of the land. And so we're like, all right, let's get to the stadium at 1.30. So let's leave. Clump books the bus or whatever for one o'clock. We get in the bus. We're riding over. We're what, apparently seven minutes away from the, like we're not far from the stadium whatsoever. Yeah, not at all. We start driving in 40 minutes later after we lap around the entire stadium. We realize we're about to come back up on the stoplight, which we were like 25 five minutes ago. And so Clump starts getting a little antsy. We're all getting a little antsy like, are we going to even get there on time? And Taylor's in the front. He's like, Clump, you need to come

up here. Like I can't be the one. I don't even know what I'm trying to tell the guy right now. All respect to our driver, his English is pretty broken. And so he's trying to tell me things. It's more directional facial expression and stuff. I'm thinking myself. And we're yelling to the back of the van. Like, hey, Clump, where are we going? Do you know what we're supposed to turn? When we have a van, I'm never sitting in the front again. It used to be, oh, me in and out, probably get myself a little more leg room. I'll be in the back from here on out, boys. I'll be in the back.

Worst spot to be in the front, man. And I am forever, Clump will be in the front. I will get my ass so far in the back with the least amount of responsibility you could possibly have. Clump looks at this guy. He comes up, buddy. You getting through.

Yeah, hold on. I was going to say, let's just address that, right? We got to adjust that. I wish we had that on camera. It was a little bit of a tight squeeze. My boy was stuck for a minute, wasn't he? Dude, he goes too, because it's like, it's like a two a two one type of situation

so there's a nice little alley but then the front seat is like a little three-seater and then the door so the crack no joke is about yay big all right that boy got stuck between the seat the door on the way off I squeeze through and then once he snuck through I said yeah I got that on film he's like what yeah I thought you're gonna post it

but uh what what really was concerning when that whole thing was going is Josh kind of knew where we were going and I heard him go oh we missed our garage and I'm like oh no so we passed he's like oh we can come up here on the right We go by it again. He goes, and we went by that one now.

And we asked the driver, we're like, we have a parking pass for the red garage. And he said, oh, no, I'm trying to find a spot for after the game where there's no traffic so you guys can find me. So that's where I'm going to stop. And we basically were like, we. Speak for yourself. Glove's like, we got a parking pass.

Like, that's not even going to be an issue. Yeah. I was basically said, we have a parking pass. And I was like, we don't even care. I don't even care about where we get picked up after the game. We need to get into the game now. You and I can plan where you. pick us up after the game. We got into the game. And I don't know where the where it got lost,

but we kept driving and then we got to a spot and Josh like, we can get out here and walk. Josh was getting antsy too. I was, I was antsy, but Josh was getting antsy. Josh was an antsy in the way Josh Pay gets antsy in a good way. We're right there outside the stadium, but everybody's direct us, hey, you have to go this way. And we're kind of getting to the point to where, hey, we think we should just get out of the van right now. Police officer. So you can go straight and then go down to the tunnel area where you're assuming the teams are going to go into, correct? Yes. And then the police officer wants a severe right. The guys were in the window like half cracked.

The guy's like, that's not going to fit. You're not going to be able to. You have to turn right here. Clum's trying to talk to the guy. We end up turning right. As soon as we turn right, clump is like, open the door so we can get out. And he's like, hey, let me just.

The driver's like, let me just. He's like, sir, please. Sir, please. Sir, sir, sir, sir, open the door. Open the door. Open the door. Open the door. Please.

Now. Open the door right now, sir. Sir, please, sir. I'm sitting over here. I think at one point I even went, open the door, please. I'm getting nervous. This is not true.

Club, it's on. You're saying it wrong. Club starts to open the door while we're driving. Stop the van. Stop the van. Stop the van. Stop the van.

The door was open. The door was wide open. He started. Clombs opening the door himself. The door is open. I'm telling him to stop. Yes, I said stop the van. Sir, stop the van. Dude.

Stop the van. Multiple times. We get out of this van. And I walk over to the police officer that just told us you have to turn right. I'm like, hey, we gotta go down this way. We're calling the game. He tells me straight up, no shot. That's where I go, I'm gonna fall back

and let somebody else handle the bad guy type of thing. I'm not gonna be, no, motherfucker. I'm calling, you know, I'm not doing that. So I go, clump, because I can already tell Clemson that mode, right? He about the body back some motherfuckers. I go, clump, clumps are walking away. I look back, the police officers already basically told me to fuck off. He's back at his station.

He's walked 15 feet away from me. and Pate's like, hey, we can walk down this way, follow the road. Bro, we followed the road basically walking right next to the car we were in for a second there. It was bad to where a luckily the driver ultimately had the last laugh. Yes, he was right. In that one moment. In that moment. He missed his two spots.

And the totality of everything, he wasn't. At the end, he was correct. He was correct. I did apologize to him. I was like, hey, sorry I got a little crazy there, but we got to the game. I wouldn't listen when we walked out and it was pandemonium people walking in a building were rushing to get to the airport

we're trying to find the van there was a piece where it's like this motherfucker left us no doubt I know he was telling me like where to go and I was getting worried like I think he left us and I was ready for that moment to be like this is all my fault he did this because of me

me saying to stop but uh but we got there it was great the voice open the door stop the van stop the van no stop right here I got out and then we'll try to get out and he starts closing the door on Will. He wouldn't let Will out at first.

It was fun. You guys didn't hear, I'm telling you on myself here, there was another police officer who walked up and it was a woman and she goes, we were telling you to turn right because you could have went down that way just so you know, I don't know if you guys heard that. She's like, the driver was right.

That's what she said to me on my name. Oh, no. Damn it. Would you like to address the allegations that bust one of the boys only flies on big private jets when Jeremy Klump is in attendance? Yeah, I guess I could have.

address that. I think it's true. I don't have anything to fight against. I'm to be honest. That is definitely, it is, it is added up to be true. You like to be comfortable, but we all like to be comfortable. In, uh, I like to be coming in solidarity. I will be flying with you guys to New York this week on Wednesday. Oh, so we're getting a big boy. No, we are not, we're taking the normal one that we are grateful for. We will be on that one together. Again, extremely grateful. But what? On the smaller one. Yeah, this would be his first time. Yeah, that will be my first time on the smaller jet.

You know what sucks? This podcast is for the people, by the people. And I'm sure the last thing they want to hear from us is bitching about what private jet we're getting on. Oh, no question.

How tone deaf can we possibly be? We. Clump, my fault. I'm just taking care of the boy. I try and just sit back and listen. Like, yeah, I like to be comfortable. This podcast was built on Southwest, man. I did.

Fighting for the exit row. That's what I said. I'm like, y'all boys weren't with us when we were shooting in a gym. Yeah, hey. Buying commercial. Getting up at 4 a.m. to hit a flight.

Driving from, what, Baton Rouge to New Orleans. Charlotte to South Carolina. Yeah. I did it this weekend just for fun, just to get a taste. Jack and I, we're on Southwest on the way to Vegas. Anytime we can get out there, man. We did stay in one hotel room with three men at the SEC Championship. They got to love that.

I slept on a cot. That was normal, though, back in the day. But I just wanted to, I slept on a cot. And I hope to God that Sherman and Mitch have the photo of you cuddling with G and the angle of your legs. Dog. I didn't mind it. Some bros hanging out together on a bed. That ain't nothing.

But the angle of those knees threw me off, bro. It was something like, G looks comfortable. Cohn looks out. Too comfortable. He's trying to snuggle. He's trying to snuggle. Come on now. Six year anniversary on Sunday.

Come on. Let's go. Congratulations. I'll applause on that. Six year anniversary. I did see the post. I'm just comfortable with my skin. Shout out to Lindsay.

Did you guys all sleep comfortably? Like, does anybody have any night terrors or snoring? No. Heavy breathing. There was one moment they were making fun of me. I guess I dozed off and, like, snored. Yeah. We were just hanging out in the room.

It's probably like 11.30. And me and you were like casually. What was it? The Tulane game? When we finished up two lane, we put on like the end of Ocean's 12 going to Ocean's 13, just like letting the night die down. And you kind of hear clump stop making little, you know,

remarks here and there. You can tell he's probably a sleeve. And then you should him go, oh my god he goes i just woke myself up with my storing and he just woke himself up just from pure snoring so it was beautiful but yeah we had a great time i mean three dudes in one room doesn't sound ideal we made it work yeah it's it's easy to make it work also at the hotel we're staying at not gonna say the name don't say the topic of this conversation but no that we don't find out on the vlog yeah

yeah i will say this a moment of gratitude uh the morning of the alt cast we all go down we have coffee. We sit there. We're chopping it up about the game that's taking place. And then we kind of like get into the year. And as we're having conversation around all these Georgia and Alabama fans, we're sitting in a really nice hotel. All the TVs at one point have our fan dual commercial on. And we kind of look at each other and we're like, bro, what an insane year this has been for us to be sitting here about to do an alt-cast on the actual ESPN. And we're all just having coffee. It did. It was unbelievable. Yeah. It was it was truly unbelievable. man preparing had a Georgia coach come up to us talking about being familiar with the brand and everything else

We had this couple this married couple that was talking about how one's a Georgia fan one's a bama fan They've been together since 2012 and they've went to every Alabama Georgia game together and they buy they sit in different sections of the stadium because they're like we don't watch games together They're staying in 10 to both of them are like yeah no we don't sit with each other yeah and it's great to know that both those people understood each other enough to not put their relationship in jeopardy during those times. That's a key to a healthy relationship is understanding how the other one ticks. Yeah. And the night before,

getting to partaking Josh Pate's live show, which, by the way, filled it out. Crushed it, 1,000 plus people. Yeah. Yeah. Killed it, dude. You walked out the crowd, too. Like, Josh Pate handled himself very well

because the crowd was just full of Georgia and Alabama fans' tense. It was kind of scary. He kind of cut it with a knife. Yeah, and then Will and I kind of went out. I started playing heel a little bit. they started gaining it up on us for being Big Ten guys. Then you caught a guy rooting for Kentucky. Yeah, yeah.

I just randomly said Nebraska would, whoop Kentucky. Georgia fan says, oh, what are you, Kentucky Wallcat now? Everybody's laughing. He's pent up, ready to fight the Bama fan behind him. Well, yeah, one guy couldn't get his first question out. He was ready to swing on old buddy. And then you had the financial guy. Just break down a clause.

Yeah, you got that question, dude, was so. He's like, he said, I have a question. in his statement and he's just sitting there going and going and going. I'm watching you guys. Jack goes, he's going to body. One of these guys is going to body this guy. I forget one of you said something that was so funny. I was like, oh, your fans are much smarter than ours.

Something that just hit, though, but we're all sitting there waiting for it to end and he's just rambling. Yeah, I looked over. Josh, go, that's all for you, buddy. Yeah, that's what a way. I don't even know what happened. Part of him is, I think we've got to hire this guy. Like, he got to know something we don't. Maybe this dude needs a job with a

us so we can just kind of understand but it was awesome yeah the crowd was awesome man they love some josh peat we got to meet Josh peat's parents his dad was a legend his dad is a legend his mom too

she was great because you can just tell what she's put up with for the last however many years but they go ahead what was his dad saying that you're the he comes up to me and goes hey I'll tell you what and I go to shake his and he goes I watch I'm a bama fan now

All right, you are the nastiest son of a bitch I've ever seen play football in my life. It's not, hello, my name is... Bro, he had the big accent and everything. It's Mr. Payton to me. I don't know his first name. He doesn't know my name. And we're like laughing.

But yeah, that's good for you. And he's just going into it, dude. He's like, I guarantee it. I guarantee. I'm telling you. You are the nasties. And all those one-liners where I'm like, oh, this dude consumed Roy D. Mercer back in the day.

He's like, you're the nasty some bitch. I ever seen in the football field. But that's a compliment. That's a compliment. That means your hell of a play. I caught a couple this weekend around. I was like, maybe I did do it right. Dad at the end, he's kind of like, you played the game

where you're supposed to play it now. And then Spikes comes up during our all cast. And like right before he gets on, bro, he like gave me the stamp. He's like, bro, I knew, like you and High Tower. We played each other. Like, you got it at High Tower. I was like, oh, he's like, you played it the way you're supposed to play. I'm like, Mr. Spikes, bro.

You took heads. You took heads in your career. I kind of just, I was like a gnat on the football field. You were an absolute bowling ball. Different world, but he gave some love, man. That was awesome. Brandon Spikes, he was a dog, bro. And he was so personable.

Got hooked up with him. My man, you got to come on bus with the boys one day. He's like, much respect to what y'all do. I love to come on the bus. And stories I've heard about Brandon Spikes. Just seeing it was just kind of a different, I didn't know what to expect meeting him. I'm thinking this alpha dude, but he was incredible to be around.

And he was a stud. He was about it when he came on the alt-cast, doing the interviews, getting excited about things. Yeah. It's like he could have stayed there with us the entire time talking about the game and everything else. But, yeah, he's a dog, man. I was trying to bring up the Luke Combs story that we heard. I don't know if his brain was quite there remembering it all. Because he's like, that's, his answer was perfect.

That's when I kind of, what do he say? That's when I kind of started to take souls. Yeah, take grown men. Yeah, yeah. That's when I started to, what, put people on the ground. I buried a lot of bodies. Yeah, yeah. He's talking about it.

After he was done, we're like dabbing him up and going to be right before the next first break and he's like, you brought up his 40. I said, I was sick. Because I talked about how big a fan I was of him coming out of Florida and I was like, bro, I remember watching your pro day like at my townhouse in college,

like mad that you ran a four second 40 or five second 40. He started live. He said, yeah, people didn't know I couldn't run very well. He said that was the day I was going to get exposed. Yeah, he said he was running. And while he was ready,

I'm moving very fast. There goes five million. There goes 10 million. Bro, he was awesome. Absolutely awesome. Let's get to do a couple points we got to get into. January 6th, Wilcompton's favorite holiday. We are doing, so for those of you that don't know that are watching the show right now,

Jared and I made a bet earlier this year. Hey, you get a six-pack by Jan 1. I will give you $5,000. If you do not, I need you do 20 minutes. up. All right. He shakes my hand. He's very nervous about it, allegedly. Turns out he played chess on my ass because he's now getting in a comedy for whatever reason. So January 6 at Zaney's in Nashville, Tennessee, 7 p.m. All right. We are going to do a show for Jared Beeman. One night only, Jared Beeman is going to do a full stand-up show. I'll be up there. I'm assuming you're going to

come up for a little bit too. I might say hello. Yeah, come. Might say hello. We'll get a couple. We'll be a couple of guests there. This is not a Bustle with the boys live show. What this is is a Jared Beeman stand-up show. One night only. 7 p.m. Zanis, January 6th. Dude, let's have a full house for Jared.

If you're wondering, hey, but the money you guys are, was it Nashville.orgs.com. That's where you can get your tickets. All tickets sold. We're going to donate. We're not, Bus with the Boys is not taking a dollar on this entire thing. We're donating everything to charity. Let's get a round of applause for that.

Brom applause for that. So yeah, Nashville.zany's.com. You can get your tickets there. We're looking forward to seeing everybody. Special guests coming in. We'll all come up for a little bit. We'll talk about all this stuff. We'll have a little back and forth.

It'll be a great time, but it's really about Jared Beeman. That's what it's all about at the end of the day, man. I think he's going to crush it, man. I think he will, too. And he's going to be so nervous before, but I'm hoping we can get enough, like, comedians that have been in the game for a long time to where when he comes off and he's like,

I sounded stupid. There's a couple comedians who are like, bro, You got it because I believe he does. Full lineup. Yeah. Full lineup. Full lineup.

I've been doing it for a while. Jeremy Clump, he's going to be the one getting all these comedians in for us. So that'll be nice, man. That'll be a good deal. Also, you know,

on the note as charity as well. For the dads, busts with the boys, partnering up with Vanderbilt Children's Hospital where 10% of merch sales from now until tomorrow night go to Vandy's Children's Hospital. We're purchasing toys next week

and dropping them off at the hospital next week. you go to bwtb.com, every item that you purchased, 10% of those merch sales will be going to the the Vanderbilt Children's Hospital and we are matching every dollar that we raise. So again, bwtb.com to go buy some merch and help us raise money. They can also donate directly to Monroe Carroll on bwtb.com if you want to donate that way. Okay. Boom. So two things.

BWTB.com. Donate to the Children's Hospital and Nashville. dot zanis.com to get tickets to watch Jared Beeman's first stand-up. And I think, are we doing a special for him? We are going to make it a special. We're going to make it a special. It's going to be a special.

It's going to be a special. That's funny. As you also, we'll make Jared do a meet and greet. We'll have a bunch of merch there for all the boys. We'll make it fun, exciting. We're going to give away a bunch of stuff. It'll be fun. You guys will really enjoy it, ma'am.

What else? I saw a question on the intro, World Cup, and USA. Are we going to a game? Have to. Group D? Yeah, I mean, why not? Got to. When is the World Cup?

It's like all summer, right? Yeah. Oh, boys, that's so far away. We need to start talking about the Olympics. We always start winter Olympics is coming up. And you guys remember the Four Nations tournament, right? Yeah. We got after Canada's ass.

Canada disrespected our ass. So this needs to be, if the world is what the world claims to be, it'll be America versus Canada for the gold medal and we're whooping that ass. And where? Milan? Yeah, we're going to Milan. We're going to Milan. Milan, Italy.

And bring germs, so we get the big jet germ. You'll need a big jet germ. You'll need a big jet germ to get Milan, all right? That or I hope Southwest goes to Milan, because I'm going. I got to get out there. Oh, you're going to go out there? 50 stars, 13 bars, brother. How patriotic are you?

Yeah, I think given schedule, given the schedule, if we're able to go out there, I'm going to go out there. Got to, right? I'll watch it from the TV. I know you will. I'll be kicking it out of the house. I'm talking February 6th through 22nd. Super Bowl weekend. Oh, then I will not be going.

I'll be rooting for you boys, though, huh? I'll be rooting for all you boys out there. Already out. 50 stars and 13 bars. Yeah, I'm already out. 50 stars, 13 bars from my TV. I will not be running. I'll be on that couch.

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A bunch of our guys like, fucking Coach O, man. What a legend. What a guy. And it's like, it's an absolute honor. Let's give Coach O a round of applause. Coming on the bus. Oh, you, man. Incredible, incredible stuff, man.

You've been all over the coaching world. And it's been around so many great players coached with. So many great coaches had great coaches under you as well. But LaRose, Louisiana. Oh, we talk like, what's a population? What's it like growing up there? because when I was at Michigan, I had a teammate of mine from Baton Rouge, Louisiana,

his name was Drew Dillio, why I ended up dating his sister. So I would go down to Baton Rouge, and her grandparents were like the Creole had the talk of where I'm just sitting there from Arizona, like just smiling and nodding while they're kind of going through everything. Is that what's taking place in La Rose? Hey, the same thing, man.

I think the population grew up to 6,000. Okay. So we're getting bigger. And we live on the Bayou. You know where they come to the Bayou, right? I do not. Runs right by you house. but actually my grandparents didn't speak English

and my grandparents hunted and fish of the land and my mother moved from the camp in the swamp to my sister's home to go to high school so it was a great great experience there's a great picture right there I live right on the corner right there there's the intercoastal canal and the Bayo Lafouche and I live not in that big house

that small house right on the side That is absolutely wild Like is it I was like Creole like a real thing down there In LaRouz Like who When people come from out of town They got to be so confused

About how people are communicating We all speak Cajun French Yeah And the thing about it I thought I knew how to speak French I took it in college We got a little slang about our saying We don't know where we're going to make it up

But par francé bien Two mon Zomiééééééé It's a too bon Yeah, I feel you With that And you guys just get confused Like hey fuck it

I'm gonna make up my own words I love that You gotta imagine too That's my five year old My daughter know what's going on She's gonna make someone Like hell yeah honey let's go You gotta imagine too coach

Oh how he's been a hell of a coach He's got the resume everything else But some of his first interviews Like the AD Whoever he's sitting with gotta be listening to him Be like Yeah you sure you want to You sure you know this guy

I know you can't understand a word he says But guy knows ball If you wanted to be your position coach, like, if you like him, go ahead and take it. Yeah. How did you get your start in coaching? You know, my father was kind of like my coach when I was young. I idolized them, right?

But there was two things I can do. I can shovel shrub and I can coach football. Guess what? The choice of coaching football was very easy. But, you know, as soon as I went to trial for pro football, in fact, I came to trial for the Memphis Showboys. You guys are probably too young to remember. I remember for sure, but the USFL football league.

And I drove home. My dad said, what are you going to do? So I started coaching. The next day, I went to my college coach. He goes, you know, he had to cut of a coach. Baby, that's my name. Baby, what are you going to do? I'm going to start coaching.

He goes, where? And here? Well, baby, I don't have a job. I said, coach, I don't need no money. Tomorrow morning, 8 o'clock will be the staff meeting. Boy, you, you suck. I said, okay. He said, okay, you can come.

But here's the deal. He says, you cannot eat in the cafeteria and you cannot live in the dormitory. You're not on scholarship anymore. I said, Coach, that's fine. I took my pickup truck. I stole a cot out of the dormitory and I moved in the visitor's dressing room.

Man, in the stadium. You know what? Look, I had a bunch of showers, a bunch of lockers. Hell is the best I ever live, man. I loved it. Next day, next day, seven-thirty staffed me. I was sitting there in my pen. Here we go.

I never looked back. No shit. you're going back and getting that as your first job, like how are you kind of carving your way into, you know, finding respect, finding your niche in the coaching world to kind of like earn your keep to stay on the staff. And then for then to turn it into, we got to get him a job.

Exactly. You know, the first day we went out to practice. They gave me the defensive fans, well, I used to coach the defensive man. And they gave me them, what, 10 minutes of individual? And I got pretty pissed at him. So I said, effort. We're going to have an attitude adjustment period.

And I just started banging a bang, bang, bang. And everybody on the field was like, what in the world is going on over there? So ever since then, I made my morgue. That's awesome. Physicality. Yeah, that's right. And where was the next stop after that?

You know, I went from Northwestern State to McNee State to Arkansas, to Miami. And really, Arkansas and Miami was my big bricks. Yeah. Especially when I went to Miami. And Arkansas, too, you were a strength coach, yeah? I was a strength coach. I was in the waiting room.

Check this up. I made $25 every two weeks. Let me tell you I got there. You guys, I love this story. So I was down in the summer shoveling the shrimp in the shrimp shed. That's what I knew how to do, making fast money. And I get a call. Now, I'm on the bottom of the boat now.

Baby, you got a call from Arkansas. And back then, no cell phone with that one thing. So I get up there, I have my shovel in my hand, my white boots, everything. This guy, Brad Scott, was at the University of Arkansas. He goes, hey, man, I've got a job in the strict. culture room at the University of Arkansas. You want it? I said, wait a minute. I took my shovel,

who threw it in the body? I said, hell yeah, where the hell is Arkansas, man? I made $25 every two weeks and live in the dormitory. And absolutely loved it. Really? Yes. And then after that, you go to Miami and you end up, did you cross paths with the Rock, correct?

The way the Rock Johnson? That's right. What was that? Tell me, give me a look into, because we all see the star. He is now, right? I saw this morning I woke up at, you know, 545. He's got a post out an hour and a half before getting up,

get my car down, I'm like, this son of my bitch is always on top of all of us. But what was he like in college? Great guy. First of all, his nickname was Dewey. We didn't know anything about the rock. Duane Johnson. He was the nicest. Now, back then, University of Miami players were not called nice.

Okay. I was coached sap and all those guys. But he was the most well-mannered young man that we coached. Now, he wasn't as talented as sap and those guys, but he's a very, very, very, football player. Great guy to coach. Yeah. Did he do you think he, did he have a chance to make it in the league, you think? I know he tried for a little bit. I think that, you know, he didn't have the

movement skills that most guys have. But I remember one day he had a bad practice, and his uncle was a wrestler, right? And Bob Cornelso recruited him. And we got out of the field. I said, God, do it. You need to go be a darn wrestler like your uncle. Later on in life, I saw him in the rest. I said, damn, he took good advice. So you got to coach Ray Lewis

too, yeah? Yeah, you know, Ray was, in fact, what happened is, Ray came in June, and I remember Tommy Tuberville told us, now he was a little 190-pound wrestler, this is going to be the best linebacker ever in UM history, and he darned sure was. Yes, he was. Man.

I coached the D-Line, but Tommy coached Ray Lose. Would you also cross paths with Mike Sullivan? Yes. Yeah, Mike was my assistant office line coach at the Titans for nine years. Great guy. One of what, three white dudes on the University of Miami? You've got to be a tough SOB. To be a hand be a Caucasian on that squad.

That's right. Yeah, and he was. He was nasty, man. Was he really? But a good guy of the field was nasty. You know, Coach Johnson, he was sharp, man. He would only let you recruit left tackles and centers. Really?

Now, huh? You're not playing right tackle in high school. You know this, and you're not the best athletes on the field. You're playing defense. Right. And he'd take the best defensive linemen he could. The rest he moved over the office. You want a smart center, athletic left tackle.

All the rest with defensive lines. Figure it out after that. Yeah. Yeah, defense lemmy. And then you have a little mental edge too on the outside of the office line. That's an awesome. What is it like coaching a personality like Warren Sapp? Well, I love Warren, right?

But look, you've got to step in the room. Warren, and we still talk about it, this is there, right? Warren thought, now, he'll argue with it today. Back then, he thought there was one guy on campus, at the University of Miami to whip his ass. Me. Now, whether I could whip it or not,

probably not, but at least he thought I could. But remember, he came to us as a tight end. He was 227 pounds. He redshirted and played tight-in the whole redshirt year. Then we had to recruit him to play defensive line.

But one thing about Warren now, when he got off on that football, he ran a 4-6-5-40 at 275. When he got off on that football out here, Like a fucking cobra, man, like a snake. He was so fast. That guy was the faster defensive lineman I've ever called. And nasty.

When he's playing tight-end, redshirting at tied-in, and you have to recruit him to play defense line, what are those conversations like? Are you bringing him in there? Hey, these are our facilities? Is this the room you're going to be looking at? Well, look, D-Line would be meeting. He walked by the tight-in room.

Hey, Warren, I got a little poor boy for you. Come here, man. Me and Bob Carmelis, we had food for them every day, man. We recruited this shit out of them. But then we got him in the room, man. We got after his ass and he loved it. And how quickly from him going down from tied end of defense line were like, okay. Yeah, he's immediately.

That's awesome, man. So after Miami, where was the next stop? You're after Miami. You can imagine now, okay, I'm 27, full time, 28 full time, living in Miami. I'm having fun. Yeah. Two-time National Chan, coaching Warren Sapp, living on Brickle Key, doing it all, right?

I'm an off-the-field annexed for a little while, right? So I had to take a year off. So I took a year off of coaching, and that wasn't by my choice. It was hard to recommend about the university. We go to some of those fraternity parties like, yo, Coach O is also. in there with the boys. What the hell is going on? Wow. Well, we got to have the bus back then and had a good time. But anyway.

So I took a year off and I had to volunteer at Tiny Nichols State in the pivotal Louisiana. And I worked my way back up to Syracuse than the USC. Or USC. Yeah. What was that called? Let me say Paul Pascolde was really good to me. Brought me back into big time coaching. Then I went to USC. There was two schools I always wanted to coach at.

I wanted to be the head coach at LSU. the head coach at USC. And when I went to USC, man, God, what a place. I love the place. He's there in the heyday. This is when, you know, Reggie Bush is dating the celebrities.

A boy Clay Matthews. Clay Matthews is in there. Kyle Matthews is in there. Like, you had some crazy squads. And I know there's been like Laura or Coach O, but one thing you were incredible at was recruiting. Yes. And you have a story about like,

what coach getting fired and you're still on the recruiting trail and all that? But what about USC when you got that call? Like, was it, hey, I'm on my way immediately? I'm coming. Yeah. I was at Syracuse, and they wanted me to stay there. I want to go. I wanted to go.

I always wanted to be at USC. Yeah, what a place, man. But you know what? I was with Paul Hackeray. We were getting fired. And back then my wife goes, she'll, I guess we're leaving. I said, no, this place is too strong. We're going to stay.

And I went out recruiting for two weeks. I didn't know who the coach was going to be. And you guys heard the story. It was a Saturday night, 10.30. I'm sitting there watching Long Beach Polly and Lolaola to play. And a guy named Pete Carroll comes up to me. Got my USC stuff on. It's, what, 13, 11 o'clock on Saturday?

He goes, Ed O'Heron? I said, Pete Carroll? Yeah. He goes, what are you doing? I said, I'm recruiting. He goes, for who? I said, for USC. He goes, didn't y'all get fired two weeks ago?

He goes, they told me if I wanted to stay on, the goal recruit. He said, you've been recruited for two weeks? And hell yeah. He goes, you know these players over there? Yeah, Manuel, Rangue. Yeah, Man, you're all right, Dornel Bing, Herschel, Diner. You think they can play at the USC? I said, why are you asking me that?

He goes, Pete, I always has that look about him. He goes, well, they named me the head coach at the University of Southern California Monday afternoon at 2.30. The first thing I told him, I said, Coach, give me your number. He looked at me like, who's this guy? I said, I got the number one player in the nation, Sean Cody. I'm going to be at this school at 7 o'clock on Monday morning. I'm going to call you, coach, you're going to be the first one to talk to him. He said, really?

He's that good? He said, yeah. He goes, don't give him. about him. I know, but don't tell him. I said, don't know her about seven o'clock that morning. I was there at the high school. Now, Sean's daddy would let me in the house. He's a big Irishman. Okay. I know he probably disappointed a little boy than take the bowl. We'll talk about that later. And he said, coach, you ain't, you ain't recruit my son. He's going to know what the name. You know, I told him, I said, I'm going to recruit your son. He's going to come to the USA. I'm going to coach for him.

Well, anyway, so we went down there, went to the high school, coach, talk to Sean. He said, says, hey Eddie, can you be at my pressing office at 2.30? I said, well, sure. So I went there. I'll be on the road for two weeks, right? Recruiting for somebody that you don't even know your coaches. He's just wearing a USC shirt. You're out there.

You're going to go, got to go to USC. You're like, who's the coach? We don't know. We don't know. Then y'all get fired that. They fired the motherfucker. They fired. They got fired.

They fired. They're not me, man. You know me? And then I ran in a couple of coaches that were kind of derogatory on the road, you know what I'm saying? I'll tell you. I'll be back for you later. That's all I'm like Schwarzening.

Anyway, so they have the press conference. Now, Coach Carroll wasn't the pick and litter, right? Yeah. I mean, retread and all this. So he goes, he said some little guy, I don't know he was. We kind of looking out. You've got a staff meeting right after this. So I go up there.

And, man, my seat was right near Coach Carroll, the head coach, I was right there. It was taken. I've seen some people in that damn meeting I ain't seen in two years all there dressed up won a job my chair was way in the back coach goes look guys

you know what I noticed some great coaches in here I ain't keeping nobody I want to start fresh I'm sitting back there going oh you shit man and he said I'm walking by he goes all except you Eddie let's get to work let's coach Carol man no shit I went from right there to right there

and two weeks we're together man and he was a mentor to me. What a great man. You thought he was about to burn you after the whole recruiting. Yeah, exactly. Like, hey, I'm not retaining anybody. Exactly. But that's him, man.

You know what he does it. And he wanted to celebrate. We had a great, great career together, man. We had Kyle and Clay Matthews on here, and they're talking about these team meetings that took place. Coaches, taking clothes off, shooting basketballs, getting wild. Like, I already know you were one of those coaches. I want to hear from your vantage point

what the thought process is with Pete Carolina is like, fellas, here's how we're gonna get the boys riled it up today. Coach O, get naked. Get after it. Because I know it was like nuts back then, right? They kind of alluded to it a little bit. Well, you know,

I'll be careful about what I won't say this. I'm really developing my upper body so I don't mind taking it off my shirt. That's as far as I want to go, okay? But anyway, You know, coach, coach was a master. He's a master motivated, man. And we had this deal that Kennedy Polo was our special teams coach,

and he taught us this thing. We'd go in there and we take off our shirts and get all the board, riled up and all. And it was like SD special team, wild, boss, SD, wild, everybody just going nuts, man. And it was wild. So he'd have me do that. So that was my part.

He'd come any day now. He had him. Wabon Str. okay, coach, you got it. And I get up there and challenge the guys, you know. And back then I was kind of bored up a little bit. It was good. It was fun, you know.

Anyway, but one day, okay, one day he goes, Eddie, come here. Yes, sir, coach. We got to do SD Wild Boards today. He said, look, now here's what going to happen. I want you to go in there, and I want you to tell them it's not good enough and get pissed out of him, Eddie. They listen to me. They were good.

and he says, I want you to walk out the door, I'm walking out of this happen door, and when I come back, your ass better be ready. Yes, sir, your sir, you're like, God, what's up with coach today, man? He said, now Eddie. Now, look, I'm not being into, I don't know, I didn't know, I heard a soothe dog,

but I never met suit dog and rap and, you know, movie stars. Pete had them all coming around, you know? Yeah, yeah. I was just interested in getting sacked, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I walk out the door, he said, there's somebody going to take your place. Eddie, don't tell them anything, let him come in.

So I walk out the door, it's freaking Snoop Dog. So instead of me going back in, Snoop Dog goes back in. The team went nuts, man. They absolutely loved them. Then he came out to practice. He was hitting the bags with us, man. He was throwing passes. But that was Coach Carroll's way of getting to the players

and getting us all together. He was a mastermind. Yeah. Do you still follow Coach Carroll in his career right now? Love him. I watched the radio's done tonight. Yeah. I love him.

Love with that. In your opinion, as a head coach watching a coach in the NFL that you used to coach with, what's going on in the Raiders organization right now that needs to be switched up? You know, first of all, you know, we were, I think we're two and six at USC, and we turned it around, went six and six. Our first season wasn't the season and everybody else. So it's going to take him a little while to get his people in there and get his system, especially in the NFL.

Look what he did in Seattle. The guy's wonderful, man. And he is going to win. They just got to be patient. But as you guys know, there's not a lot of patients in football today. Right. Yeah. What do you think, like, too, you talk about Coach Pete Carroll, like he's known for, like, connecting with people, connecting with culture.

What are other things you feel like you got to learn from him as a head coach before you became a head coach? And also, you got to, even though you're younger and in your 20s, you were around Jimmy Johnson. It's a kid that's one at all levels on a boat now down in Florida. People love to kind of seek him out for what he understands because he connects with so many personalities as well. Let me start with Jimmy. Coach Johnson, now I was a GA. I learned from Coach Johnson. I used to, on Thursday night, he used to talk to the team by himself.

I used to sneak in. He didn't know what was there. I sneak in. And listen, the guy was phenomenal. He's a psychiatrist. The players loved him. The biggest, baddest player on the team feared him. I give you an example.

You see how his hair is all pegged looking good right now? Coach Johnson, we'll go jog around campus every day, you know? Man, we all would. with his shirt off. Yeah. No, I've got ridiculed for jogging with my shirt off at LSU. Yeah. Well, Jimmy could, so I could too, right?

And I got to tell, I look a lot better with my shirt on, man. But look, we live in some shotgun officers. So Coach would come back now. He put that hairspray in there, right? He'd have that hairspray and he'd have it all right. But he'd be coming down to shotgun hall, and you coming this way meeting him with Coach Johnson. If he's smiling, you keep on walking.

Hey, Coach, what's up? Hey, let's go. Man, he has that frown. on his face, you take the first door you can and go high until he passed. I mean, he just had that control of him, man. Jimmy knew how to push buttons. And I also learned from Coach Johnson, besides coaching football, is how to recruit, how to take special teams guys, I mean, take safety, is moving the linebackers, the linebackers to move to the defensive end, defensive end, the defensive tackle, he wanted speed. He wanted speed. But the biggest thing he had he taught me, he said,

you've got to have a smart quarterback. Everything that I've done from USC and the LSU was marked off to his blueprint and Coach Carroll's blueprint. What are the things you look for when you're finding those hybrid types are going from like safety to backer or backer to D-end or D-N to D-Tackle? Obviously it's like body genetics and everything else, but other like philosophies in your mind to where you're like, this is how we're going to be able to make him, you know, get a little bit bigger.

move to this position. The biggest thing that I needed to do is get them in camp and have them through my drills and not listen to anybody else, get the height, the weight, the speed, agility, stretching, all that stuff,

flexibility, and then to see their character. Do they really love football. Now, we had some camps now. This is this one, this is one the babysitting camp. Now, we got after it.

Two days. Two days. No, yeah. We won't go ahead. We couldn't have paths. then, and we didn't even have help us. We're at full speed, man. That broken nose,

we didn't have been back then. It doesn't matter. We want to find how tough they were and how competitive they were. And when it got tough, where they're at? You know, to play at USC, to play at Miami, to play at LSU, you've got to be up there, man.

And it doesn't, it's not all talent. It's about heart, about grit. You know, you go to Alabama, that guy, oh, across from you, he didn't want to talk about math 100, big boy. You're in his way to the NFL. And that's all he wants to prove that day.

So you're going to compete at the highest level in some very intense environments. So you want guys that can do that. Yeah. Who's a cat that you converted, that was against converting to a different position? And it's obviously like, say, worked out in the NFL or you're like, you're pumped that. Fortunately, you got them around to them taking that advice. Sap was part of the biggest one, tied in, defensive line. But a guy you all very familiar with Clay Matthews.

We recruited him as a walk-on. Now, we knew his dad. We were great friends with the family. His older brother, Kyle was with us, and Kyle was the safety. But Clay came in there, and I'm not sure that Clay weighed about 220 pounds, maybe 215. And we recruited Clay to come as a walk-on to USC. I went to Ole Miss, and Coach Carol Call me goes, hey, Eddie.

You know that Matthews boy? and he's about $2.50 right now. I think he's going to be a player. Clay Matthews. How about that? That's probably our biggest gift as a walk-off. You got some good Clay Matthews stories. Like, why wasn't he a guy that got a scholarship?

You know, I can't tell you that much. I didn't know him that well. But when he got there, he's a great kid. I love him. How quickly was he on scholarship? I'm sure after I left. Yeah. Because, you know, I was there where he was a walk-on.

I'm sure that next spring, Coach Carroll, saw it. I wasn't there. And what was your last year at USC? My last year, let's see, I was at USC from 1998 through 2004 was my last year. Gotcha, 2004. Back to back. But I came back. I came back with Kiffin later on and stayed there a couple of years.

Yeah. What was the reason for you departing the first time? I got the head job at Ole Miss. Head job at Ole Miss. Gotcha. Okay. So we're recruiting these guys. Let's go back in time a little bit.

We've had a lot of SEC guys on here. They've never admitted it, but we all know that SEC was NIL before NIA. Hey, you know. Hey, I love that. Look good. Hey, hey, we're way past it. Can we now just admit it? It's all good.

Hey, you know what? I say, a coach. You know, you've been out of coaching for a while. And how are you going to adjust that NIL? I said, well, it's a minor adjustment. And I said, what do you mean? I said, back then, we used to walk through the back door to cash. Now we just gotta walk through the front door to the cat.

Hey, a joke obviously. Yeah, yeah, big time joke. Big time joke. Everybody watching. That's a joke. If we're still playing the lanes of jokes, I heard there was some like unwritten rules in the SEC. Like if the kid is in Mississippi, for instance,

like no other SEC school like Georgia, Alabama could offer more than what Mississippi State or Ole Miss would offer. Is there any truth to that at all? Well. Because it seems like to me, I hate to cut you off, but like playing, we both played in the Big Ten. He played in the Big Ten for two years and Big Ten for two years. Big Ten is like a conference that like we all have our schools. And then that's kind of it.

The SEC is we have our schools. But as soon as the school goes to play bowl games or anything else, it's like, fuck you, we're the SEC. We don't care about. You know, everybody against every, which I kind of love how everyone kind of stays conjoined at the hit there. So it seems like if there was going to be an internal structure of how to, hey, we're all going to not telling each other there's going to be some unwritten rules.

You better respect what we're doing. There's an Ole Miss in Mississippi State we're going to offer them 50K. Alabama can't come in and off 60K. Was there any truth or validity, joking truth or validity to these unwritten rules? You've been gone a long time.

Totally. We're out. The NDAs are done. Well, rules are about to be broken. That's your thing. Go on. They might have an unwritten rule, but they were broken all the time.

Yeah. And let me say it. It all depends how good the player was. How about that? Fair enough. Can I tell you one great recruiting story between Ole Miss and Mississippi State? Had a young man committed to me for three years, right? All of a sudden, it gets a little squirley, right?

So we can't find him. What old is that? He hid in a back room in a church for four days before signing. days in a church, him and his family in a back room. Seeking asylum. Yeah. Well, the good Lord, the good Lord's on that this church wanted to donate him a little bit money if he went to Mississippi State.

That's how tough it got. That is crazy. Yeah, so we're fighting quite a bit. Was it, you said you had a kid offered for three years, so he's a freshman when you're offering him, right? How soon in the South are we? offering guys. You got to see like these eighth graders now.

They're kind of getting looks and it's a crazy concept to me. But is it really, do you recruit? How early are you looking at a kid going? We got to start getting after this guy. You bring up a good point. When I went to Syracuse and Paul Pascolore is great. Jopal was early recruiting. That's where we learned how to do it.

I brought that concept to USC. And I said I was the first, but I became the head coach at Ole Miss. We started offering juniors and science. out the most and everybody's like, what the hell? And I'd offer like 300. And they go, well, he's only got 25 scholarship. I said, well, you know, hey, we had Ole Miss. We may get one out of ten.

If you're in Alabama, you're going to get it, maybe everybody you're going to offer. So we kind of brought that concept from Joe Pah, from Penn State to USC, to my knowledge, to the SEC. Okay. So now, but it all, all depends who's doing the offer. You can have some assistant. coach making some offers, those are not valid.

The only time you have a valid offer is from the head coach when you're sitting with your mama and daddy in his office. Now, if I offer a kid in the state of Louisiana and I'm the head coach at LSU, I can't back off of that offer. But if I offer a kid somewhere else and we decided to go other way with another player, I can back off of that offer and not get as much flat. So it all depends who's doing the offering. But you know, you like to send out a bunch of offers.

The offers nowadays are not as valid that they used to be about 10 years old. Yeah. So if an assistant coach is making an offer, it's almost like the psychology of starting to massage that recruitment, knowing that, you know. When push comes a shove, you go a different direction. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know, we used to call it, you going out fishing on your own. It's like driving the bus on your own.

responsible. But anyway, I think guys offer to get in the game to compete. And I think other guys talk about, hey, I got an offer. I got an offer. Well, where's the offer from? So it all depends the scale of who you get the offer from. But to answer your question, yes, eight graders do get offers by head coaches nowadays. It's crazy, but they do it to get in the game.

You get in the game because how many stories you've heard were I wanted to go to this school, but they didn't offer me until farther down the line right before signing day. Thank you. And so they feel some type of way like, oh, you're only offering me because this school offered me. Thank you. So by you guys offered in eighth grade, it's like, they've wanted me forever since puberty. You're exactly right. What did you notice the biggest difference?

Obviously, Miami, I'm sure recruiting was relatively easier at Miami and USC than opposed to Ole Miss. Like, what kind of roadblocks did you go into first time head coach at Old Miss? You're like, oh, shit. Yeah. These guys aren't just biding, chomping at the bid to come here. That's right. Like, where did you have to maneuver from your recruiting at that point? You know, you have to have a bigger pool.

Ivers have the bigger pool. So that's why you get into 300 guys. That's why I get 300 guys. We went to Florida. You know, I got Dexter McCluster from Florida. Who was a great player? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, play with Dexter in Tennessee, my first couple years.

Was he quick or not? He was older, but he was still very elusive. Great guy, too. Yes. Great guy. And, you know, back then they had BYU Internet courses. You know, I should have... Brigham Young University?

Yeah, they had Internet courses. that you can take, I should have invested in that. Because I put a lot of boys in the BYU in the internet courses to become eligible. See, we had to, we had to go in. And the first thing, I'll recruit him is saying, he's not gonna be eligible. Well, you also have learning disability tests,

you have internet courses, you have a lot of ways that I learned when I went out to USC in order to help the young men to get eligible. You get LD testing, but they get extra time, All that stuff. So we brought that to Ole Miss. We did a lot of that stuff with Ole Miss. And it was all up and up.

The other guy, you had Alabama at LSU. You don't have to do that. In fact, you all remember Rayquine Davis? I do not. Big time defensive life. Love them. I went to the school when I was at LSU as an assistant. And you, it was a Marinian high school.

And new the people are there. And we helped them become eligible. Now, Alabama and the other. other schools thought he was going to be a junior college player. Yeah. So I helped him be eligible. He went to Alabama. Once he got eligible.

Once he got eligible. You know, hey, you know. That's where that backdoor loving comes. Hey, you bring the bag. Hey, listen, I know Alabama looks good. Crimson Tide looks nice, but how about this right here. Hey, you know, stuff happened. You know, we got to compete.

Yeah, stuff happens. Yeah, it's got to compete. I love too how it's like, you know, we're trying to help the kids get eligible. It's like, we're trying to help the kids get eligible so we can get these. We got to figure find ways to get the kids. No doubt. Get them to help our football team. Was there ever concern for you about these kids who are ineligible, like,

hey, are they going to be able to pick up a playbook? Or you're like, hey, that's secondary. We've got to get them in the door first. You know, you bring up a good point. But if a kid is learning disabled in college, we have the ability to have some learning disabled tutors to help them out. Yeah. And it was in high school, they don't have it.

So it all depends. You know, the first thing that I did in, And when I, he talked about character. When I went to the guidance counselor, guess what I looked at first? Class attendance. You guys both played, right? Yeah.

Class checkers, the whole thing. If he was, remember the class? Sons of bitches. They always didn't you. But, but if that guy was going to school and he was trying, I'm going to recruit him. But if he was late, he ain't going to school, ain't recruiting his ass.

Then the next thing, you know where I went to? The security guard that worked in the parking line. Say, hey, man, when Johnny comes to school, what's going on? Coach, he's early. His uncle brings him. He's always well-dressed. He got his book to his hand, studying. What happens when Johnny comes to school?

Coach, you don't want no part of this. He comes to different, every day come a different car. He's not dressed. He smells like they've been doing stuff that he's not supposed to do. He's late. Sometimes you can learn so much by getting your feet on the ground and action questions to the right people. That's fascinating to listen to.

Yeah, that's fascinating. Going out and getting like everyone thinks you go talk to the head coach, the position coach, the coordinator, and that's kind of how you make your decision. But to go, that's awesome to do the nuances of the guidance counselor, the security guard. But that takes a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're like, if you have to go through that process, it's boots on the ground.

As a head coach and as an assistant coach, how many days are you? of the year are you on the road? Well, first of the assistant coach, I'd hit 12 schools a day. 12 schools a day. Not in Los Angeles, you can do that. Yeah. I didn't do it in Mississippi. I don't know.

Anyway. I don't know if you eat 12 schools in the week. That's just a joke. I love those guys. But, you know, speaking about the security guard, I knew a guy so well at a major high school in Los Angeles. He would call me when the other schools were coming to visit the kid. Then I'd have him go sit in the meeting.

And he'd write down notes and he'd tell me what the other schools are telling. No shit. Yeah. You know, coach, you're out there playing chess. That security guard out there like a CIA. That security guard ate more steak than is down the room than anybody. That's a long hour. Oh, that's incredible.

No, that is cool to hear too, like trying to figure out the character. a guy because my head coach was Bo Polini and Nebraska and he this man did not play about did not play about class no he's like I'm not here to babysit if you ain't gonna do it money through Friday you ain't gonna be out there on Saturday yeah yeah the mother class thing I was a cat that would have to be I didn't take like online courses my senior year my freshman year of high school was awful so I was like doing the full senior schedule plus a full semester online end up being eligible and then when I get to Michigan they're like hey what do you want to do and I was going to the NFL so just put me in

whatever And so they put me in all the same classes that are like, you know, there's 15 other football players in it as well. And I quickly learned my first year like, oh, the class checkers come to every single one of these classes. This is awful. And I would get six am.s every other day. So eventually I learned, hey, you got to take a couple extra classes outside of the perimeter of what these regular football players are taking. So you can get yourself a little leeway here and there. They're not going to come and just haunt you down.

So we've all got tricks, coach. We've all got tricks. All miss happens. Where to then? Back to USC? Ole Miss. Life lessons for us all. I get fired.

I didn't do well. Coach Carroll told me, he said, Ed, you cannot coach the team like you coached the defensive line. Look, man, I had three days. I had coaches in ice tubs. I had coaches and IVs. The doctors come tell me,

said, coach, it looks like a mass unit. What the hell are you doing? What the hell are you doing? And I was just was my mentality. And so I get, we get fired. And I'm going home and I call one of my mentors. And I'm naturally doing what? No, right?

Yeah. Blame in this and blaming that. He goes, hey, Ed O's wrong. The best piece of advice I got in coaching for my non-coach. He says, you know, those may or may not be true? He said, you can't change that. He's the only person you can change is you. He said, now, what's you going to change about you, big boy?

God, dog. None of us want to hear that right here. I didn't want to hear that shit. I spent whatever time it was looking at the things that I did wrong and how can I improve to get better. Watch coaches, shows, study people. And guess was the two things I came up with. If these players know how much I love them, just like my kids,

they'll go through a wall for you. And if we can't show them that we have the knowledge to get them NFL, NFL, right? Well, I want to do that right now. All conference with them to get them to where they want to go, we're good. And those are the two things I stuck with. And the third one was, I will not show any coach, any disrespect, as much as I can on the football field. And I will bring him in and say, the next day I'll calm down. I won't make a decision that night.

I do get a little while on the field and look at the film and they walk down the hall and say, hey, Jimmy, turn on play 24, man. Tell me about that left tackle. What are we going to do? Hey, coach. And here's the worst thing a coach can do.

Hey, what the, you know, hey, what's that linebacker doing? Coach, I don't know what the hell he's doing. Well, if you don't know what the hell is he doing, who's going to know? Here's the proper answer. Coach, a guy to get his alignment better. He's supposed to be foot to foot on the center. He's inside foot, sprinting the crotch.

I'm going to cover that. And then, Coach, I've got to get his feet right. So I'm going to do some drills with his feet today. And then I'm going to get him on a sled, teach him how to come out of his hips and get off a block. What the coach gave me a solution. Yeah. And accountability as well. And accountability.

Right. You never throw your players on the bus, man. You guys know that. If your coach throws you underneath the bus, what you're going to do with him? Be pissed. Yeah. And then we get tight. And then it will get tight.

What are going to happen when you're playing in Ohio State? Fall apart. Here you're going to say. That trust is kind of gone. You're like, I know you don't go. If you're talking to me like this right now, I know you don't got my back when we're in the room. No doubt.

And it's even more in the NFL, too, because they go in these meetings if they make decisions about rosters. And if a coach is talking to you a certain way in front of your face, you can only imagine what's taking place to be on closed doors. You guys know this, okay?

When a coach stands up in front of men, and I think a coach needs to be a leader of men, okay? And the only way to be a leader of men is to be a damn man. I'm not sure if sure what that goes on nowadays from what I'm seeing. on TV, okay? But when you stand up there, you're transparent. If I'm coaching y'all, you all know all about me, man. And you all know who I am, you know where I'm coming from. You know, I'm first in the fight with you. You know, I recruited you. You know I'm going to be

there for you, but you know I'm going to get on your ass to get you better. You know, I go to a grocery store, you know my personal habits. You know everything. He's transparent. If a coach goes up there and there's a fraud to his players, it's over. And you guys know it. Y'all know who's true and you know who's in front. So I think those qualities and a head coach

have to be there. So after Ole Miss, you go to USC? You go back to USC? I go to Saints. Oh, you go to the Saints. I go to NFL. I'm trying to NFL for a little bit.

And I work for Sean Pate. Well, what a great coach, man. What a great offensive mind. But you know what? I missed college. I missed the recruiting. I miss, you know, I always been a father of figures to these guys.

and in the NFL you got a day that happened and they make a lot more money than you you're a low man on the total pole so long story short I went back into college football went to Tennessee with Kiffin

we stayed there for a year and then went back to USC and then they fired coach after two seasons I believe and the third season I became interim head coach and we had a good run we had a real good run then

that's when the Ack was on the staff. Yeah, because with us. We all with the other. Yep. Yeah. Obviously, Lane Kiffin, he's been consuming the sports media right now with the decision, how he went about the decision, everything.

Like, give us some insight on Lane Kiffin and the kind of individual he is. Yeah, what's crazy too is like just listen to the coaching history. You were at because the Tennessee stuff gets brought up when all this is going down when he leaves Ole Miss and talking about just all the stuff that Lane Kiffin is known for. But knowing that you're at Tennessee with him, you go out to USC with him. You've been a head coach at Ole Miss. You've been a head coach at LSU. Lane treated me with utmost respect.

I was like head coach number two on the staff. The reason I went back with him because he and I were tight at USC. He was a young coach now. But man, a great, great recruiter, had a bright future ahead. We stayed close. I want to go work with his daddy, Moniquefitt.

That's the reason I went to Tennessee. And then the USC job comes open. Look, nothing wrong with Tennessee. But USC, and we had been there, and Tennessee is just a little bit different. I believe we would have stayed at Tennessee. We'd have won the SEC East, and we would have played in the championship for years to come. We were doing a tremendous job there, tremendous job recruiting. So we go to, Jack.

We go to USC, and man, he does good the first year, and the second year, things kind of went south a little bit. How'd they go south? Just wins and losses, or we were losing the locker room? Like, what took place? Yeah. Well, you know, we weren't doing good at offense. And that was shocking to me. Yeah, it's lame.

But we got beat 62 to something by Oregon. And that's what I knew we had to go from the 4-3 to the 3-4. And I felt like burying myself in the Coliseum that day. But Lane Action, man, what do you think is wrong? I said, we've got to go to 3-4. And we went through the 3-4. It worked out a little bit. Did he lose the locker room?

A little bit. I don't know what was going on in its personal life. I just went to work and went home. But I know things were starting to slide a little bit. And so, you know, he got fired on the stormack. And the next day, they didn't even interim head coach. And all the things that I had learned, all the things that I said I was going to do, now it was time to take my little notebook out and learn.

Yeah. Now, how does your relationship, you talk about you and Lane having a great relationship? He gets fired and they're like, hey, Ed, now you are the head coach. Does that change any bit of a dynamic? Does he feel some type of way about that? No. He was recommending me for the job. He said, Coach O's doing a great job.

We won five games in a row. He said, I reckon. I think USC ought to hire him. And look, after that, he's always asked me to go with him. He's always asked me to be part of his staff. And so we have a great question. Did you, through about this process, did you have any conversations with him

about possibly being with his staff at LSU? You know, here's what happened. He asked me. Back to Baton Rouge. Back to BR, which, by the way, is there not a better personality for BAT? Ruse and this man right here. He had asked me, he called last year.

He had called. He was going to get a job and he wanted to know if I wanted to go. I said, you know what? I'm not ready to do that. I'm with my boys. I've got three boys coaching right now. And I'm still still in the process of getting them going to solid foundation. But he had called and he said, you know, what do you think about LSU?

And I gave nothing but rave, you know, great, great reviews. And it never came through, like, you know, he never came through. Like, you know, he never called me and say, hey, you want to come. I never called him and say, I want to go. He knew I was going, I was planning on going back and coaching. LSU had been a good fit with him. Do I think so, yes. But, you know, as a head coach, when you go into a situation like that,

you got to feel out the lay and the land and you got to do his best for you. So he's got his defensive staff. He hadn't called me, which is good. I wish him to best love. Yeah. What are your thoughts when him being a little bit of the last year? 11 and 1 at Ole Miss and making a switch to LSU, knowing that you've been in both,

you've been in both of those worlds. It's just that much more of a premier job than Ole Miss. Because, again, it's like you're in the business to win a national title. You can win one this year. That's right. And you're going to take a, you know, you're going with LSU trying to like, I want to go win a national title in the future. It's like, man, you could win right now.

Yeah. You know, when you had LSU, you can play with Georgia and Alabama on a consistent basis because you have a photo recruiting gown. I don't know if he feels like. Like he could do that at Ole Miss in Tomp. But you can go, there's Justin Jefferson, and there's, there's Jamar Chase, and there's Malik neighbors within two hours driving distances of each other, and three the most prolific NFL receivers.

It's a fertile recruiting ground. It's much more fertile than the state of Mississippi. Per capita, LSU's got more plans than the NFL than anybody. So I think that's the reason it is it. State of Louisiana too, yeah. But with NIL and everything like that, if you have enough money coming to your program, the way that works now is like who's going to pay me the most money?

Like the loyalty doesn't, you're going to have a couple outliers that are like, I grew up at LSU Tiger fan, I grew up in Alabama fan, I'm going to go to these schools regardless. But for the most part, these kids will go to the highest better. That's right. Yeah.

That's right. But when it's close, you know, they're going to want to stay in Louisiana. You're right. That is correct. And the recruiting still comes on, you know what I'm saying? And the development. The guy's a great officer mine now. Yeah.

What happens with Lane, his dad is, Monty Kiffin, you know, he grew up in football. On game day, I've never seen anybody see all 22 now. You guys played. All right, you played line, I played line. We looked at each other right here. Yeah. We didn't see the scoreboard or nothing else. You whipped my ass.

I whipped you over, getting in a bad mood, and that's it. That was our job. Right back of you at least stood up and saw a formation. Yeah. I saw two pair of eyes. You know, my coach told me, whip his ass, get to the ball, and get into bad mood, and come back. Does he have a call the timeout?

No. So you are more privy to formations and adjustments, like the quarterback, right? Lane sees all 22 on the field in slow motion, and he's going to get you now. He's going to get you. He's going to get, you know, every offense has a weakness, every defense has a weakness. He knows how to get you about formations, by shifts,

and he likes to run the football. I mean, the guy led the SEC in Russian the last five years. Think about that. Ole Miss led the SEC in Russia the last five years. It goes to tell you who he is the play call. Yeah, he's a star, dude. Yeah. I wonder if he's going to get it done at L.S.

It seems like he's got all the tools in the world to get it done out there. Are you wanting to get back in the coaching game? OSE and I don't know how valid everything is, but I saw that you were in talks potentially with Arkansas this year. Yeah. You mentioned your boys. They're in the coaching world. you don't know if you necessarily want to get back into it.

Like, what does your future look like for you wanting to get back into coaching? Now, I planned. I moved out of Miami. I moved back to Baton Rouge in case we do get a job. I talked with the athletic director at Arkansas one time. That was it. But I have not had a job offer that would fit to what I want to do. Now, I don't need to be a head coach.

I could be a defensive line coach, be a recruiting coordinator. but if it fits what I want to get done at this part of my life, I will take it. If it doesn't, unless she was good to tell me, I don't have to take it. Yeah. So it's still a working present. I am in better. Then buyouts, guys.

Yeah, nice. You're a perfect world right now. If I'd say, Ed, you could have any job you want, how you want to have it. What is the perfect thing for you at this stage of your life? And you can't be a head coach. Okay. I would go be a defensive line coach at a major program. what major pro.

We're talking about your perfect world right now. Yeah. You know what? A team that competes, I won't say a school, a team that competes for the national championship, a team that have the power and the recruiting base to compete in a national championship.

U.S. is one of them schools. L.S. is one of them schools. I respect Alabama, but this boy ain't never going to coach in Alabama. ain't going to happen. Ain't going to do it. Loyalty goes, yeah, you can't draw a line in the sand.

Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska. Florida, Nebraska. Hey, you ain't go to Nebraska. He got to Nebraska. I threw him a little ball right down. Penn State, Nebraska. Penn State had a in the hundreds recruiting class. He just got to be right coach.

That is hilarious. It's really a big school with a coach that wouldn't be in intimidated by me being on the staff. Now, I don't want to do that. I want the coach to have enough gumption and know that I'm there to help him. And to be able to recruit a high level and have the NL money and compete and win championships. Now, you know, Tennessee just fired their defense coordinator. Hey, I love Tennessee.

I did. Did or do? You said did. I coached there for one year. It's a football school. I loved it. Now, were you nervous when you guys were taking that job going to USC, knowing you were kind of like won and out with Tennessee,

knowing kind of where you were sitting at, potential to win the division in the SEC and win a championship? No, because I knew the power of USC. Now, I happened to be in Louisiana, visiting my family when this all happened. And Mike Garrett said, look, like, you, money, and it. That was the deal. That was three.

And I was poor of that deal. So I'm in Louisiana. look, man, I need you to be in Los Angeles tonight. We're taking the USC job. I said, great. But then I saw all the beds burning on campus and stuff. I thought it was pretty quiet. It was wild on campus that night because everybody liked Lane.

He had a great facade about himself, and we were doing a great job recruiting. Damn, Jack. Tough. Jack is, he went to Tennessee. A massive Tennessee fan. Like he is, massive Tennessee. We're opening up some bad wounds right now. Hey, how about Rocky Top, man?

You can't beat it up there in Knoxville. 865. I think what hurt the most is hearing you say that if you and Lane hadn't left, you all would have been competing for national championships. And we went into a dark era after that. But we'll have you back with open arms. I'm just a call away, but look here. A part of my contract is I've got to have all the chicken fried steak with white gravy on cow holes right down the rib I can eat. Consider it done. Consider it done. Consider it done. Oh, Jake, you're wrong. Contractually, you're getting it done for them right now.

It's already done. Hypo's already, yeah, he's listening to the entire podcast right now. Can't beat Calhouns. I had a cowhouns almost three times a week that love me there. Oh, Calhouns is great. Can't beat the room. That is hilarious. With the awareness that you have, you would mention, like,

with the head coach that's not intimidated by being on a staff, like what are those things that, what are those things you'd be able to explain of the intimidation factor that you could, I guess, potentially bring? How real is it of you going to coaching staff and a head coach being, like, you know, oh hey what will this assistant coach stepping on my toes a little bit that's a come 85% of them son of them because they called me they already proved it but you know if a guy you know lane

would be you know that lane like that he won that oh hey good you know hey this guy's going to help me win some coaches uh there's some coaches that would be you know receptive to me being there go, hey, man, this guy is going to help me. There's some coaches that don't know me well. I think you have to know me. And really say, okay, I need this guy to help me win a championship like Coach Carroll did, like other people did. But there's some guys are going, hey, is he coming here and get the head job?

Is he going to, you know, kind of handle this guy? Got you. Right. And I don't want to, I don't want to be that. I don't want to be part of it. Yeah. Unless I have to. Yeah.

You mentioned Pennson. State, you don't strike me as a guy that wants to go up north very much. Like, are you, can't run out there with your shirt off all the time? Yeah, cold weather. It's freezing up there. You definitely strike me as like a SEC. NATO Nebraska. Coach Eklard does.

But hey, they don't. But you bring up a good point. I was at Syracuse for three years, 95, 96, 97. It was so foreign to me. Now, Coach Pasoena was great to me. But when they, when it snowed May 1st, this boy from the side. I had enough. My wife was pregnant for my twin boys,

and I was shoveling snow to go recruiting on May 1st. And she goes, why you look so pissed? It's freaking snowing, baby. She was the market shop. It's May 1st. She goes, well, what were we going to do? I said, we're heading south. I had enough of this crap.

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sleeping over, those, like doing crazy shit to land a recruit to show me, hey, I'm your guy. You strike me as a dude that would definitely take caught in the living room. Well, there's a bunch of them.

Chase the guy's security. Kiliman Chasso was going to Florida. I broke the security line. Whatever you call that, where you go, you put your stuff and all that through. TSA? Yeah, and went right through that damn thing

and chased them all the way down. They came to, to get me. They said, Coach, what are you doing, man? But I told, I want to tell him, you do not go to that school, I want you. He goes, coach, did you just break through the security done? Said, hell yeah, they did. But, you know, one of the biggest recruiting stories is Reggie Bush. This is not crazy. But Reggie was leaning to Notre Dame and Washington. Okay. I was not the running back coach. I was not the initial recruiter of that area. But I was the recruiting coordinator.

And I said, man, what's going on with Reggie? He ain't visiting. He ain't visited. So if somebody doesn't do anything, and I ask him once or twice, guess who's going to do it? I'm going to do it. So I call Reggie's daddy. And I say, hey, man, what's y'all doing?

Nothing, coach, what's going on? I said, hey, man, we're practicing football. He goes, I said, what's you and your, you and your wife come all down and bring Reggie? I'm going to feed you all some good food, Los Angeles. What big eater you can tell them. And so him and Reggie and his mom, came down out the blue.

Okay, wasn't going to come visit. Came visit that weekend. Had a blast. Then we go play in the Orange Bowl. We beat Iowa. That night, right after the game, we're overlooking the ocean, we stayed in Fort Lauderdale.

Man, we're having a blast, calling all the crews. Hey, President of the West Coast was three hours behind. And all of a sudden, Pete goes, Eddie! Reggie Bush. He goes, Coach, I'll watch you all play. I want to be a trojan. Reggie Bush.

Wow. So now, that's the one I got. Okay? Let me tell you the one I didn't get. Okay. Adrian Peterson, right? Okay. So Adrian went down there, a little east Texas place.

His mama ran track. I remember his mama at Houston, I believe it was. What a great lady, man. A great family. And we go in there, I bring Coach Carroll. And back then they had those old kerosene lamps, okay? Now, Coach Carroll, he got much country in him now, right? And so you can smell the kerosene and she calmed to light.

He goes, Eddie, we're going to catch her on fire. I said, because we're okay. Just chill out, Coach, I got this, baby. So, Coach was a little worried about the kerosene that night. It was kind of cool. But me and Adrian were good, man. And he killed, Coach, follow me. So, okay, we drove 30 miles.

we stop in a little country store. You remember them gingerbread planks you got probably don't remember that. You know a little gingerbread plant with some pink on it. But back then you know NIL, you can't do anything, right? There's Adrian Peterson. I'm not about to give him some cash at the store, right?

So he buys this little gingerbread with a Coke. That was his supper. I'm like, are you shitting me, man? So we go all the way to this basketball school. No, the school, they play basketball. And they walk in, everybody wanted Adrian to go. to Texas. So I walk in there with him.

I'm a USC stuff, boo and all that. So we sat in the stadium. I said, either what the hell are we doing there, man? He goes, you see that little point guard? I got to play them next week. I come to scout him. I want to see how I'll go to him. You know what that told me about that young man? I said, what? So he comes to

USC. He comes to USC. Has a great visit. Luzz it. So I'm sitting there in a, now look, we used to When I take them, I'd go pick them up at the airport, right? Yeah. I used to bring them down.

The PCA, you all been there, right? Through Malibu and all that shit, right? Then I go around, I go around, and I go through Beverly Hill, all the big cars are, or the Rodel drive. I pull up the back way, right? Pull up the back way to the USC, right? Well, they would tell, and I bring them, make sure the parents were with me, and they tell the recruits, say, listen, when he picks you up from the airport,

that high rise, okay, that you're going to go. You're going to see. He's going to show you about the big city. He's going to show you about that. But look to the side, to the left. That's Compton. It's a very dangerous place. I knew that, right?

So show them all the beautiful stuff, right? Man, they said, when they go in the dorm rooms, you know, hey, look at the dorm rooms. You know, they got those bars on the window. You know what there's some bars on the weather, right? People try to break in. Uh-uh. I brought him to the best dorm on campus,

told him that was out dorm. It wasn't, it was all right. So on Sunday, I'd go pick him up, right? And the mother had to be there. Had to be there. Now, Coach Carroll would go surfing in the morning on Sunday. But he said, Eddie, I don't want these recruits. Come watch me surf.

I said, Coach, you got it. And then you've been to Manhattan Beach. Oh, he's been to Manhattan Beach. They got the big pier, right? And they got all them homes, right? And so we used to eat at the place and the little high-rise, it's right there. I know you got, I've got the neighbor.

So we'd bring them up to the top. But before we do that, I would take a walk to the end of the pier and I'd show them. I'd say, there's J-LOs. All the movie stars back here. I don't know if they lived there. You don't mean? But hey, that's Jellow's house.

There's Michael Jackson's house. Really? Yeah. I said, look, man, you be first-round draftsals. You've been living right there. Wow, man. that's cool. You know, they'd be surfing.

It'd be December and January. And then we take them up to the house, to the top of the restaurant. And here's what they say. There you go. Right there. Santa Monica, you sit there to view, right? Okay, so now we sit there.

And to a point, Miss Mary would say, Coach, I got something to tell you. I say, yes, man. Now, USC, as y'all knows, a great school, right? Academic, you know. So, yeah, Miss Mary,

what is? I mean, Pete would be kicking me. Because he knew exactly what they were going to tell me. Coach, these recruiters, they told me, you know, this was a bad place. It was in the hood. And all I'd see was bad things and it wasn't dangerous. I said, Coach, all I saw is the ocean, Rose Royce, steak dinners. And, Coach, I said, Ms. Mary, you?

The recruiters lied to you. I said, Coach, they lied to me. I said, well, they're lying to you now. think about what they're going to do when they get you young man. They're really going to lie to you. Coach, you're right, coach you're right. We're coming to USC, baby.

No, not Adrian. But that would be like 80% of them. So we just knew how to recruit Los Angeles. Yeah, you know how to drive around Compton. That's right. That's right. But Adrian, okay, said, coach, I had a problem. And I know he don't mind me saying this.

I'll say it with utmost respect because I love him. Coach, my dad is incarcerated in Texarkana. Bob Stoops has already going in there to see him. And that was in the spring. Now, this was later on. He said, Coach, I've got to go see my dad, man. And if you can convince my dad to come to USC, I want to come. But there's another thing I need to talk to you about.

So we tried to get into jail, but everybody else tried. They wouldn't let them do it. So I said, Adrian, what is the other thing we need to talk about? He goes, coach, my dad will get to watch me play in Texarkana. They play Oklahoma games. Because I'm not going to Texas. I'm going to Oklahoma. I said, Adrian, if you're daddy, if they showed them USC games over there, would you come?

And said, Coach, I come tomorrow. If you promised me my daddy could see every one of my games. I went back to Los Angeles. I went to speak to the mayor. I want to speak to every influential person. person that I could talk to and I tried to get Adrian's daddy transferred

from Texas County to Los Angeles jail, man. I tried. I mean, I busted my butt. I couldn't do it, man. Just, there's too many red tape. Were you ever close? No. No. They looked at me like, you can't do that, man. That is hilarious.

Is that the greatest distance you ever gone to try to get a player? Yep, that's competing. That is wild. That is competing. That is crazy. That is competing. Yeah, that's compete. That's compete.

That's compete. Is there a recruit out there that you whiffed on, that you were just wrong about, that you didn't recruit? And that they've had all the success in the world? Oh, my God. One that you're like, shit, I was the one that said, no, we should go up to this kid. Every great recruiters is going to have that one, too. Just like Bay Group had so many strikeouts more than everybody else. If you recruit long enough, you better tell the story.

So, when I was at Syracuse, what was the name of? of school, man. It was in New Jersey, okay? And the coach was a good friend of mine. And he calls me. He said, coach, I got this defensive lineman, man. His name is Tom Boholi. It's TNAC, TNAC, New Jersey. Yeah. TNack High School. Okay. So we go there and we bring him on a trip. Now, you know, at USC, you got to have a great grape on average and a great test score to get into school. But now, there are some guys that, you know, at U.S.C., you got to have a great grape on average and a great test score to get into school. But now there are some guys that could be like five special inmates that, you know, providing their decent, you can get him into the school.

Okay. So when he gets that, we get there, and Tomahali, man, he was great, great young man. But, you know, he had a muscle shirt on, okay? And I don't know for why, Coach Carroll thought he didn't have big shoulders. He was a defensive line, right? And his shoulders were like that and all, you know. And, Eddie, I don't know if we need to go across the country to get a guy like that. We got all these people in Los Angeles, and he doesn't have great grades.

He goes, I said, Coach, are you sure? Now, I know the coach there. They say this guy's a phenomenal player. He said, no, Eddie, I think we're going to pass on him. Tom Beholy. He was a dog, too. I got another one. I got enough.

Yeah. One more. Andre Johnson. Okay? How about that? Miami Senior High School. Not a big-time recruit. Not a big-time recruit at all.

I go down there, I'll bring him. We go to Beverly Hills, Audrey. I don't know if you ever met Andre. He's just a wonderful young man. And so I go there, and I'm having a home visit with him. And outside the home visit, I can see Hard Rock Stadium. Right there. I said, well, I got my work cut off of him.

So he comes. a great visit and he's torn between Miami he's stormed between Miami so I get a call USC being academic school but so was Miami and I get a call and I was down in Miami it happened to be the Super Bowl right in Miami so I ain't leaving right I'm there on Friday Friday Saturday Sunday there's dead period before Sunday I get a call for my academic no a recruiting coordinator with our academic counselor and Hey, you know, we've been looking at the pecking order, and we've got a lot of receivers in Los Angeles,

coach. We don't think we need Andre Johnson. You know what I told him? Two words. And the first one starts with a F. Okay? You know me? Yeah.

I said, I ain't telling them that. No way. Man, I recruited him all weekend than the Monday, he told me. He says, coach, just too far for me to go. But I went about to tell Andre Johnson he didn't have a scholarship in USC. So if he sat there and he was like, yeah, Coach Kay, I'm coming to USC. What's that in his conversation look like?

Are you paying for the tuition? There have been a fight Monday morning in the office. And I don't want. I guarantee them to do you that? Do you remember the player on the roster you probably would have fought to get off the scholarship? No, I'd have fought the recruiting coordinator. Fair enough. Let me tell you another.

Am I mean a story? You got that? Hey, sitting here, listening to your stories, like, I could sit back all day. So, all right. So the graduate assistance, we lived in the dormitory at the University of Miami. Jimmy liked it because we was in there. We made $500 a month.

We ate on the training table. And this is not the story, but I just got to tell you how the University of Miami was like a beach school back then, but just tough, hard nose. And we'd go eat, and Miss Sarah would feed all the players, and all the players won't eat. We were just like a big famine. And, man, if we didn't make the spread, no, no, you ain't getting no, I ain't getting no, I ain't feeding your ass.

Because she'd lose. She better, she bet on a hurricane all the time. That's how she made all. Hey, when y'all ain't making that spread this week, you ain't, I see it with a plate of food right. No, no, I ain't feeding your ass. You better get gone. Oh, all right, sir, please feed me. We're going to be, well, it was, it was just that type of competitive badmissure.

Well, me and Tommy Tuggledville were grinds and sister together. Great guy got me down to the University of Miami. But we live in a dormitory. So on Wednesday night, we had like travel money for the GAs. We get 20 bucks, okay? Well, Tommy, for some reason, like a volunteer, he wouldn't get the 20 bucks. So we go get some beer, and at the end, we go to Kentucky Fried Chicken, and we get a four-piece, four-piece, that's all we have left, right? Now, we're feeling pretty good, obviously.

We're a lot of $2 for chicken and $18 for beer, right? That's a great ratio. But we go back to the, that's my guy right there. It's going to be the governor of Alabama, right? And great guy. And we always knew he's going to be a politician. It really helped me out.

Great coach. But we go back to the dorm. And you know, Tommy, if we got a case of beer, I would drink 22 and Tommy would drink two. Okay. And that doesn't, this is the way we were, our personality, right? So we go there,

and there was the four pieces of chicken. Well, we both like the white meat. All right. And we must have did that the whole season, 12 games, and I guarantee them to you, I ate the white meat 12 times. There was a battle for the white meat. Think about that, man.

I know he's going to hear that he'll start laughing. He ended up being the head coach at the office. He ended up a national championship coach at LSU. He's a United States senator. And it's probably going to be the governor of Alabama. And y'all fighting over white chicken. We'll fight over. To this day, still fight over the white chicken.

That is hilarious, man. Yeah. What year were you at, did you first year to LSU? What said again? What year was the first year became the head coach of LSU? First year, I became interim head coach at 2016. That's another story. Was it Les Miles?

I got to tell you all the story. Tell me this story. I would love to. Okay. Well, first of all, let's backtrack to U.S. okay. We beat, I think, Arizona, we go to Notre Dame and we lose to Notre Dame.

Well, Pat Hayden was a, you know, a Notre Dame fanatic. He, you know, he called games for Notre Dame. He wanted to beat him. And he was right. Their offense wasn't worth it. Brian Keller was there. Offense wasn't worth the Hill of Bean,

but we lost. He was pissed. I don't remember with this. When I ran off that field, I took that job at USC, like I was going to be their interim coach for a little bit. Okay. When I left that field, I said, you know what?

After that, I'm going to be the head coach from now on. And we won on a tear, man. We won like five games in a row. And the Friday before the UCLA game, he brings me and my wife in, shows me the contract because of $12 million contract back then for four years. He tells my wife to stay. We're going to have a press conference on Tuesday. He's going to hire me.

Okay. My kids come, man. But we lose UCLA, which is, I understand. We didn't play well. My kids get on the playing crime. My wife stays with me. He never calls me on Sunday. About this next deal, you're about to sign.

He told me he was going to call me Sunday night off me the job full time. $12 million. He said, I'm 99% sure I'm going to hire you. I'm going to call you Sunday night. Call never came. I stayed up all night. I went on to call. Next morning, told my wife, I said,

guess a plan we're going on. I got to go take care of something. Me and them had a meeting. We had to meet. I slammed that door. And I told him. I said, but the day of my father died, this is the worst day in my life.

I was just troubling. I told him, I'm not. I'm better than the man that you hire. do a great job. I love USC and you asked me. And probably not as nice as I'm saying it right now. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

And how long were you at USC at this point? I had been to USC from 1998 through 2004. And then we went back with Lane, I think it was 2011, 12, 13. And this was, yeah, this was 13, the end of 13. Okay. I took 14 off of 50. or a, so I've been in USC, but it was 11 years, coach, so when we have a team meeting,

and I said, I want to tell my team by. And he said, no, I said, yes, I'll talk about team by. It was like a funeral, because all the things that I said I do become like their father, they love me with my team. And I said, guys, you know, this, USC is the best place for you. I'm still going to pull for you. You're a great place. They got a, they got a cool.

Coach coming in, y'all respect them. Hey, look, we had a good run. No, not, Coach. We don't want to hear that. They jumped the tables and they were crying. They were hugging me and shaking me. Why? And they were looking at them.

Why? Just like the dad we never had, man. This is our coach. What are you doing? And it was, so I go, I go, guys picked me up at the end and brings to the airport. And I'm crying. I don't mind saying, that was my family. I'd been there.

I lived in the Radisson. I lived in the Radisson for four years across the street. My family stayed in Manneville, Louisiana. I was by myself. I'd go from the Radisson to USC. I love Carls Jr., man. I give me a double meat. A double Western baking cheeseburger.

That's it, bro. I love it, boy. That was my favorite pregame meal. Let's go. No, try to get letters wrapped with that. Yeah, fuck that. You try to hear that. That L.A.

That was my circle for four years. Oh, my God. Anyway. Hey, there it is right there. There you go, baby. That thing is unreal. Oh, that made it look good. Stop leaking down.

So anyway, so we get her a plate. And this is my ex-wife. I'm talking about now. And so she goes, why? Why are you so sad? I said, we got the USC job pull us. God has a better plan. You know, I told her, it better be good.

We just lost the USC job, baby. It's going to be good. Anyway, so I spent a year out of coaching. But that was a great time in my life, man. I always wanted to be the head coach at LSU or USC. And that was a hard deal for me to lead that place. So I took a year off of coaching. But that year off of coaching, I got the same.

see my sons play football and I never watch to play football. Courtney's a quarterback, parking receiver we went to the quarter of the semifinals. It was just a wonderful year I cooked for my kids, man. It was good. It was really a year that I needed. And then I went to

LSU with less my house. So the first year, coached my house. The second year we lose to Wisconsin and Green Bay Field up there. And we played, like some of the kickoff classic. So I get a call.

I says, coach, y'all lose another game. You're going to be the interim hit coach at LSU. They're telling you this. Does Les know this? No. That is crazy. This is a back way of world's country shit right here. I'll figure to tell you. Is the AD that called you? No, no, no. Oh, this is a, this is a, this is a Illamini of LSU. Third party, third party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's legit. Okay. So, so we go play Auburn. Now, I'm

knowing this the whole time. So we play Auburn, and on the last play of the game, we score a touchdown, but we get a penalty or the clock ran out or something like that. I don't know what to yell, scream, cheer. I think, I'm like, what's going on? So we lost the game.

Everybody's sad, right? Now you. Well, I am. We lost the game, and I like Coach Miles. It's great to me, but I'm like, this is weird. Okay. So I'll go on the bus. Meet me. at the such and such station when y'all get off the plane

okay go to the place we stayed there at a 6 o'clock in the morning they gave me the blueprint here's what needs to be done here's how it has to be done here's what we expect and there was nothing about anybody officially from LSU there right I mean it was just like T-boy and his cousin

you know what I'm saying? Yeah yeah so I go to work the next day I'm sitting there and it says it's going to happen tomorrow be ready so we get a staff meeting we sit down there nobody knows anything

except me it was weird as hell it was like yeah and because you said it was nobody officially from LSU that's like I mean was that real what just happened last time was there ever a piece of you

that's like this is not this can't be real or were you like hey I know for sure like was there ever doubt you're sitting at a gas station till coach O's probably sitting there like they have no fucking clue

I have And I kind of, you and my heart, it was real. I kind of felt back. I like, love Coach Mal. And there's all my teammate. I'm loyal with my coaches. I'm like, fuck, what's going on, man? Anyway, so I go to my desk.

And the guy text me, it's going to happen, relax. I said, hey, man, is this real? It's going to happen. All of a sudden, three o'clock in the afternoon, I'm walking down, I'm walking the guy, the guy who's the athletic director now, grabbed me by the arm. Hey, you are now the head coach of the LSU Tigers. What?

Let's go. I met with the AD and I got rid of the things I needed to do on the staff. And away we went. Okay, a couple things. AD that's there now, he grabs you, says you're now the head coach of the LSU Tigers. Right. You better hurry out. Les Miles, what's your text to him, what's your call to him?

Nothing. Nothing. So you have you had communication with Les Miles since this day? No. Oh, yeah, yeah, I have. Oh, yeah, okay, okay. I thought I call them, thank you, tell them I love them and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a good relationship. He had nothing to do with me, but I wasn't going to tell a coach about to say. You want to be the USC or LSU. It's been the same thing as whole, this whole entire podcast.

So now I have somebody walking up to you being like you're about to be the head coach of Ellisian. You know what? When I took the head job at USC, eh, I kind of, it's not like me. I saw peddle. Yeah. I knew Pat Hayden and I went there. And I said, you know what? that I'm going for it. When they told me I'm the interim head coach, you know what I said? I'm not letting it go to rope. I'm going to get this damn job. I moved. Then the head coach's office, my first team meeting,

Duke Roddy says that I acted like the head coach, fired guys, changed the practice, flipped the script. When we went and they were like, wow, and we took a whole fire, man. No shit. So how many games in was it when Les got fired? I think it was four. Four games in. So you have eight more games in the season.

Eight more games. Let's roll. And what was the end? What was your end? as interim head coach. I think we lost Alabama, 10 nothing. And I'll tell you the last one. 10 nothing, we lost to Alabama.

Everybody else would kick in your ass. And it was zero, zero in the third quarter going out, Alabama. So we played really good. We opened up the offense. We're scoring points. So in LSU's mind, I was just to enter them. But they were going to give me a chance, legit chance because the AD loved me.

And they told you. Yeah. Because you said they walked you into a room, gave you the blueprint, gave you the expectation. Yeah. So when you only have an eight-game, sample size. You have no training camp. These are not your recruits.

Tell me what was their expectation of you for those eight games? When? When? You have to shoot Tigers. Take it over. Open up the offense. Score points. Let's go. Play with some energy. You're just a person to do it. And I did it. But I hired Steve Innsming, my buddy, was quarterback coach and made him offensive coordinator, and he did a tremendous job. Dave Irranda was there, did a tremendous job. So anyway, So we're going in, we're doing good, man, we're rolling.

We got a little, we got a little something going on. And we had, hey, it's kind of funny guys. You know what is this plane tracker? You know, they got the plane tracker? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had my director of operations, he was, he would check the plane tracker, right? And at first, the plane was going all over the place. And we started winning, start winning and go, hey, plane track ain't going nowhere to sweet, bro.

Keep the plane at home, man. Keep it at home. So are we playing Florida, right? That's funny. That's funny. The plane trackers stuff. They're going here. They're going here.

Look, although being for Louisiana, I knew Alabama was a rival, but I didn't know how bad the Florida Gators and the LSUs died of hate each other. So, just like Notre Dame and Miami in the tunnel, we fought against Notre Dame. We were out of our minds. We didn't play well. We lost the game. Not an excuse, but we just, it's just, when you fight before, the game, you know, he's just not in the right mind.

So, Tommy Maffin, who's a strength coach at, Texas A&M doing a great job, comes to me. He said, coach, you got to get out of here, man, your whole team's fighting. I said, what? So we get out there, man, I mean, they're fighting word Florida. I mean, it's at home. And those guys, you know how they're all getting fights, man, you're just not in your right mind. So we go out there, we play our worst game. We should have beat the dog out of Florida.

Fumbles mistake was get down the fourth and one, okay? we win this game, they're going to hire me in the dressing room at LSU. You know this, or you're assuming this. I've been told. I've been told by the third party's third party. The third party is third party. The third party. The third party.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Tebowoy has now become important, right? Yeah. So, and it wasn't about beat Florida. So we call a timeout, and we run this play called Pylon, and I have this wonderful player named Darius Geisus. A man. Yeah.

Went to Washington. That's right. A man. Tough. And so we, the pilot is we're going to go to the left. We're going to suck everybody in. And then we're going to hook the outside guy. And there is going to go into the pilot.

It's going to be a touchdown. Walk in. It's fourth and less than one, right? We're on the sideline and I learned as a head coach. After this, make your assistance tell everybody the play and what to do. That didn't get done, okay? I take the responsibility. Darius went the wrong way.

Florida stops us. Oh, my God. I'd been living in a hotel on campus. I wasn't going to let go to the road. I woke up the next morning. My stomach was killing me, man. I was in a ball, screaming, yelling. God, I was in a boss, screaming, yelling.

I was pissed, man. Yeah. You know, my director of operations called me, say, hey, I just talked to Joe, the athletic director. We still got a chance. Well, he was smart. He's going to keep me going. So we were playing Texas A&M for Thanksgiving Day, right?

So we're meeting on Sunday. So we got a team meeting. Everybody's down there, you know. And here comes Darius. He got a hoodie over his head. He was the last one to get in. I took that freaking hoodie off. I grabbed him and I said, I love you.

It's my fault. I didn't teach you good enough. Really, coach? I said, yeah. I should have coached you better, son. I said, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to give you the ball against Texas A&M, and you're going to run all over the ass.

There's a pepenter stuff, right? Yeah. I said, okay, I went in there. You guys, you guys, it's Thanksgiving week. We're fixing to go whip A&M's ass. No patch the whole week. They forgot we lost the game. It went crazy, man.

He forgot we played. day before. Man, walk-throughs, no paths, kept them fresh. Man, so we get on the plane.

You guys know how it is. You get on the plane, right? You're going to play it in them. You get feeling, man. I feel like I want to fight with my buddies,

man. I'm ready. I'm going to whip the ass. I know it's going to be good. So there's all kind of rumors going on, right? So, you know,

you guys have what's called a six cents, right? You can feel stuff, right? Now, look, I made a 10 on my ACT, right? Okay. I don't want none of you boys be too impressed back there

That's after my third time taking you know me But God has given me God has given me a situational awareness factor in my life That I can figure shit out You know what I'm saying? So I'm feeling good man We'll go kick their ass right

Get off the bus, we got an hour drive And all of a sudden When we get off the bus we had this place this big resort and I see little factions of people what's going on

man my ex-wife and I promised myself that I was going to focus on getting this head job till the last freaking second I wasn't going to let go

I'm going to get this job now we're going to let nothing get me by so we'll go to meetings you're still the same thing little factions of people just

something going on. So I go home, my ex-wife, you know, she goes out to dinner. She goes, well, this is all over, huh? What you mean? They offered a job to Jimbo Fisher tonight. I said, no, Joe wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do it without telling me. Well, I had a guy on my staff that had worked with Jimbo Fisher.

He was hiring and firing people on my staff behind my back. Oh, yeah. Hey, you're going to stay down. You ain't just staying. I mean, and everybody was trying to get a job with him. This is the night before the game. And I'm like, okay. But you know what Coach Carroll taught me?

Eddie, never let them know they got you. Don't tell them, give them power. So the next day, remember I said, I'm going for the end. The next day, in the hotel, same stuff's going, no pet, that stuff. So we go to the game. Now, I want you to borrowers to remember us from Coachell, okay? We'll go to the game. We're going to A&N now.

It's rocking and all that, right? We think, I know we're going to kick the dog out of them. All right. Now, your boss, okay? Your boss, we'll bet to hide shit from you, okay? He'll bet to give you the smile, and he won't bet to tell you what's really going on through his face. But the wife can never lie.

Okay? So Joe's wife and I, Annie, a little Italian lady, we'd go to the SEC deal. She loved me. I'd have a laugh and we joke and she wanted me to be the head goes. And so to joke. So I go in, right before the game, you know, everybody's fired up, joke. I'll shake my hand.

There we go, man. And I look at Andy, his wife. And here's the look. Look. I went, oh, shit, I'm in trouble, man. I mean, you tell it's over, you know what I mean? Something's going on. So we win the toss, and we usually win the toss.

We play defense, right? Uh-uh. I said, Nizmega, take the ball and give it the Geis. What I told him on Sunday? Yeah, you didn't give them the ball. I'm going to give you the ball, boy. We had 635 yards of total offense on those guys. We put an ass whipping on them, you know?

A geist must have so many yards, whatever. So anyway. It's hit Darius Geis had 285 yards of rushing in four touchdowns, a seal game rushing, rushing, record at LSU. That's awesome. Filling in for an injured Leonard Fordnet. Hey, no pads, baby.

No pads, right? So much of the pads, right? Exactly. So look. Boys are bouncing around. Like, man, and look, I gave him the ball. And look, look, 54 to 39. Anyway, so in the locker room, man, everybody's happening all right.

So we get on the plane. And, you know, when the alumni, you guys aren't. The alumni hit you in the back like that. You got to be terrible. They're coming right there to you. One guy, one guy. I mean, that's what he's coming next, right? So, look.

Derek, my director of operations, right? He's sitting in front of me, and this guy goes behind it, goes, hey, man, too bad. You made a good run at it. You don't want to tell him, but I didn't. So I look in the front, and everybody's happy,

and this guy that had a lot of information for me through the back door was like this. What's wrong? Something wrong. So anyway, next day we meet, we got, guys, we've been working on this shit, binders.

I mean, we got a whole program ready to go. And we get a call, we meet with Joe Leaver. This is my interview, right? So Derek and Austin's coming with me. And we got, we're walking,

we walking right near Tiger State and we're going to call, hey, Joe's about to offer you all the job. Man, what? But we're walking there with a pep and I'll sit. I'm sitting here.

Derek's sitting here. Austin's sitting there. Joe's going to sit there. We have a binders man. We all set. Joe comes in. He's looking like, what is going on?

He sits there and we say, Joe, here's our, he pushes the binders aside. Now, this is like eight, three months of work, you know, by everybody in the office. Push them aside, guys.

Look, I'll be honest with you. I'm talking to Tom Herbert tonight. I said, well, last night, two nights ago is Jimbo Fisher

Tom Herman's night tonight I'll be out of day tomorrow baby I wasn't going to let go to rope right so I kicked Derek and Austin I said y'all got to leave

thrown out of him I pull my chair to Joe who I love to this dad I love and I said Joe and look I'm hitting them right here

right Joe you know damn well in your heart in your belly I'm the best man for the LSU Tigers. I look forward to being the next head coach at LSU.

And I walked out of the way. Oh, fuck, what did I just do? I hit him too hard. You know what I mean? I got, I blew it. I said, I told him. I said, coach, I'm getting Lane Kiffin to come with me. Joe, I'm getting Lane Kiffin.

He's going to leave Alabama. He's going to come here. And so I started calling it. I wasn't going to let go. I was going back to my home. I moved out of the hotel. It was over, right? So I'm going to my home in Manneville.

We have a Thanksgiving dinner. Because, you know, we pleaded him on Thanksgiving Day. Now, how fired up you think I am to have fucking Thanksgiving dinner? I mean, I got the red ass, man. I'm like, God, oh, man, shit. So at the dinner, guess who's starting to wash the dishes? Me? So I went, I went with me in the head coach and out of the shoes.

I got a pile of dishes in front of me going, what just happened? I just lost the dishes. USC job. Now I lost this job. Are you shitting me? Man. Out there scrubbing the shit out of those dishes. You're giving those dishes out. Break this motherfuckers.

Hey, you're there, right. Hey, not one person at that Thanksgiving dinner had any white turkey. That would have a no, no, no. And a side note, you know, I just don't get this stuff. I'm not a, you know, I'm not in the house putting stuff in the dishwasher. Okay? Now, I don't want to

make a bad statement here but most people I've been around push the stuff in the dishwasher they don't realize there's two steps you gotta take it out where's our dishes the dishwasher hey baby two steps right

right I'm gonna let's get forks out the dishwasher for a week anyway so so you're mad as fuck you're scrubbing the shit of these dishes I'm washing the freaking

and cranberry sauce. Yeah, everyone being kind of nice to you. Yeah, yeah. So, so I go to bed that night. And the ticker, Tom Herbert will be the next head coach of the LSU Tigers. So my ex-wife comes to bed,

and she goes, now she had premonition to him. Remember she told me, God had a better plan on the plane. And now, she said, why are you looking so sad? I said, baby, just look at the TV. Tom Herman is going to be, he goes, no, he won't.

You're going to wake up tomorrow morning. I swear to God you, you're going to wake up tomorrow and morning. You're going to be the next head coach, LSU Tiger. How much of you drink? What's up? So I'm going to work out. Yeah, can't do the two steps in the dishes, but she can see how the fuck's going on in the next day.

She can see the future. Got all the coaches are back to town. Can we get the shit out of the. That's pretty fucking crazy. Can't do the dishes, but you're talking with the dishes. Go Joe's listen to his wife thinking, Lady, you don't know what that. It's on the TV that he's getting out.

No, he's not. I guess it's fucking crazy. All right. Well, I ain't to say. Most of my girlfriends didn't take the stuff out to this watcher. I don't know why. But anyway, it must be me. It just must be me.

Anyway, so check this out, man. Talk about laying tipping and all this stuff. So, you know, keep off all the side of bed. I'm going to wake him at 730. I'm going to work out of Franco. Here I am with our job. all of a sudden, it's all over TV, so Kiffin, you know, he's with sexton,

and he gets all the scoop, right? I get a text at 1.30. Tom Herman is leaning to go to Texas. I'm like, you don't kind of have this, you know. He's up at 1.30, you know? Anyway, so I get a, that I tell you the story, my wife said, I'll wake up next day

and meet a head of a cell and see, right? I get a call. five o'clock in the morning is Joe Leaver. Well, I missed the damn thing. So I called him. I said, Joe. He said, Eddie, how you doing?

Like, great. He said, can you beat out of you an hour? I said, hell yeah, baby. Man, I'm, you know, I'm not sleeping the news, and I'm putting stuff all over there. I don't even know what I put. I don't even know if I had to put underwear on and going to Baton room. I'm going, baby.

You know, look, and I'm going down, I got a towel with a teetop on right and man i'm going i'm going as far as i can as i'm going to hurt 20 down the interstate playing born on the bayou baby oh oh i'm coming baby and all of a sudden i get the hamlet about halfway i said they didn't offer me the job i'd been screwed before so i called somebody i said they want to meet me at 730 he said i don't think they're going to tell you he don't have the job i think they don't tell you got the job so i get there and there's a big tiger in front of the office right joe man I come on a son bitch two wheel open the door he goes well you want the job or not

man I grabbed your bear hugger oh yeah yeah he goes put me down you big son of a gun right there front of the tiger put me down I'm squeezing him so we go up there and he goes I gotta tell you something coach he goes man I went to go to bed last night he said my stomach was killing me man he said you remember when you told me you hit me right now and you said you know in your heart and your belly I'm the best man for LSU. He said, I felt it, man.

My stomach was in them not. I said, I put that cage in Greek, grie on your ass, boy. And the way we went, man. God, damn, what a story. Hey, but you know what? About competing. I had some great people around me. About competing this time to the very end.

I wasn't going to let that USA thing happen to me again. It wouldn't have been that I didn't try hard enough. Yeah. You know what I was it? Held the rope the entire time. Held the rope. I wasn't let go to rope. Yeah.

And also you in USC, it's like, I could see it, but like you and LSU. Listen and him just get off. I can't imagine you in L.A. doing a press conference as opposed to, yeah, go Tigers. Guy had a better plan. Go Tigers. Your white. Your white. 15 and 0.

Now, y'all want to get to the Joe Bar recruit? Well, yeah, here's what I was going to say how you get Joe and B from all. We got Joe E because you recruit Joe, Jamar, all these guys we all talked about, right? In your first, your first official year as the head coach, that's when you go 10 and 3 before you go 15 and 0? No. We went, yeah, I think we went 10 to 3. Pull that up a quick show. Oh, yeah, what was the record?

Because I thought I saw you went. Then what happened now. Your third year you won the National Championship, correct? That's right. Now, let's see what I went. The one, two years. I think the first year were 94. I think that next year, what, first year will what, 94.

The next year we were 10 and 3, right? Okay, so your first year was set? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, because Geis was 16, yeah, 17. It was your first. Okay. Now, were you sweat, I know you'll have the job for a year, but 2017, 9 and 4 at LSU, that's not okay. What?

They wanted to hang me off the bridge in Baton Rouge. You kidding me? I lost Detroit State, Alabama. Yeah. They were not happy. The next, we had a leadership committee. I had a team meeting. I was talking now, you all right, you know, this ain't going to cut it, man.

If y'all don't want to do it in my way, leave now. I go with any coach, any player. And they all stayed, and I had a good, good group. But we went to Florida. And word was, if we lost to Florida, I wasn't going to make the plane ride back. That's all you got to tell me now, okay? All right. Okay.

Which will you somebody's ain't going to let me on the plane. Yeah, me? All right? Okay. So, the night before we stayed in O'Cal, I thought we're going to win tomorrow night, boys. Get it in your mind. We'll fix the kick these boys' ass. We're going to win.

So, you know, Florida has a great, it was at 2.30. it was hot as hell. Remember the year before, we had fought. Remember I told you we fought? Yeah. I didn't let players go out without their coaches, didn't let them fight, kept their cool, was hot,

and went back in. And that was the first time they played Tom Betty. Ain't no easy way out. I freaking love that song, okay? And look, it's tied going into the fourth quarter. It's a CBS game. Everybody in the world knows I lose this game. I ain't wearing purple and gold, man.

I get out on the field I'm on the 30, the numbers, and the whole crowd is screaming. Ain't no easy way out. Bring it, bring it, you son of a gun. And I looked at our trainer Jack, I'll just look like that. That's it.

We knew it was nut-cutting time. So anyway, I played out. We kicked their ass, right? The field, the extra point kicker, the field goal kicker, was perfect in all this career. And missed the extra point. We won, 17, 16, I think. Yeah.

Yeah, I walked on that plane like a peacock. Yeah, baby, I made the plane, boy. But look, that was the turning point right there. That was the turning point out football team. Now, I needed a quarterback. We had spring ball. I had Jamar. I had Justin.

I'll tell you the recruiting story about that. But the quarterback is the guy. You got to have it. So we have spring practice on TV. Remember now they don't want spring ball anymore because guys are poaching each other and all that, but we had on TV. We didn't know nothing about that.

So my son, Cody, is playing quarterback at McNeath State. He called me, said, Dad, I saw you all scrimmage. Your quarterback suck. I said, I know. He goes, you better get a new quarterback. I know. And he said, Coach, there's a guy named Joe Burrow in Ohio State that is transferring. You ought to look into them.

So I walk out in the hall, the guys were greeting the tape. I say, anybody know a guy named Joe Burrow? and Bill Bush was on my staff. Hey, coach, I was there. I was there in the recruitment of Joe. He said, coach, we get Joe Burrow. We're going to college football playoffs. I said, go get Joe Burrow.

No, Joe comes on a visit. Now, Joe was going to Cincinnati. Luke Fickle was the head coach there, recruited Joe. Joel's girlfriend was going to Cincinnati. Joe. Joe's daddy, Coach about an hour away from there. Yeah.

So all the things that Joe needed and they promised him he was going to be a starter. So Joe comes on to visit with his mom and daddy, great people. And the first thing he tells me, I said, Joe, how are you doing? Coach, I don't want to talk to you.

What? I know, I'm not a predator. He goes, Coach, I know you're a great recruiter. All I want to do is talk football and eat crawfish. I'm saying to myself, man, if I didn't need a quarterback so bad.

I'd put that song. I was on a plane right now so bad. Yeah, okay, Joe, that's all I said. So the next day, we had a football meeting. There's about 12th of them. His daddy, Jerry Sullivan, guys that have been in NFL. It took me five minutes to figure out. Remember what Jimmy Johnson taught me?

What first thing? Smart quarterback. Joe was the smartest guy in the room, including me, included all the coaches, including his mama. My mom was his daddy. If that ain't everybody. And that was okay with me.

So we went through the day and then we go to a restaurant. All right. Joe wants to eat crawfish, right? So we get there. I'm on campus recruiting coordinator. Comes up to say, Coach, they ain't got no crawfish. My good friend Charles Bagler, who's dead today, he said, Coach, you got to be able to think on your feet.

Ten on the ACT, right? I said, call my friend Budro. tell him to cook some crawfish. He always got crawfish. Tell him to bring it through the kitchen, put it on the tray that says the restaurant we're at, and serve it to Joe. I'll be down.

30 minutes, what we got? Hot crawfish for Joe, right? Joe's eating crawfish. Everybody give up this up, Joe. There it is, right? Potatoes in the corn, see all the stuff, right? So anyway, so you know, in any good sales, and you guys know this by what you do here,

there's always a crack in the door, Right? Right. But you got to sense that crack. You got to seize it. If the crack's not there, wait, wait, they're going to be cracking the door.

And man, I went up to him, and here's what his answer. I said, Joe, I want to talk to you. He went, yes, sir.

I knew it. So I took him outside. This might have been the most important talk. I ever had it all my life. We're in the parking lot, okay? The gravels, the road,

the dust is coming. What restaurant is this? Mike Anderson's restaurant. Mike Anderson's restaurant. One of a place we always went to. Okay. And I said, Joe, if you tell anybody about this conversation, it never happened. So I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I said, Joe, I don't get you, they're going to fire me. I get you. We're going to win the national championship. That's how important you are to me. Okay, there you go, right there. And we're in the parking lot. So you're in that parking lot. Oh, yeah.

Tell the left. Oh, yeah. To the left. And so you're telling this kid, if you don't come here, I will not have a job. But if you do, we were going to win it all. All. We're win it all. Now, there's three quarterbacks ahead of you.

I'm going to put you on the fourth team, and you're going to earn your way in front of the football team. But, Joe, I know these quarterbacks. They're good, but they're not as good as you. I ain't seen that damn look of hell when I saw it on. You know what I heard, right? Okay. And I saw in that meeting, right? You know what I mean?

You got to take a shot, baby. You got to take a shot, man. Hey, hey, hey. They got, you know, intermittent, what was that, M&M, M&M, M. You got one shot, man. Yeah. That's not a great song. Huh?

Sweating, huh? Paghetti, throw a bowl over the place. You got to get the word. Huh? You got one fucking shot. You got to take that something, right? Whoa. Man, I can hear that something.

They get fired up, boy. That was me out there. So I said, listen. Outside of a restaurant. You guys playing lose yourself by Eminem and M and out. Just like, I got to get this fucking 20-year-old. If I don't get this three-year-old, I'm dead. I'm dead.

So what's his facial expression? What's his response when you say, I don't get you where I'm getting fired? You could tell when you tell somebody, it's like an aha moment. I saw that look in the eye. I know that look. I hit Homer now. I said, now, you're going to come or in your way, but I know you better than them. Now, Joe, by the way, I have two pretty good receivers.

One's name is Jamar Chase, and one name is, is Justin Jefferson. You don't know about him yet, but you're going to love him. He looked at me and said, okay, coach. So the next day we have a recruiting meeting,

you guys been there. Sunday's a business day to me now. Sunday is, you know, you're nice, you're nice, you're nice, you're night, then let's go. Robert hits the road to them. So we have a little deal

just Joe and his parents and all of our coaches. And Joe goes, well, I'm going home and I'm not going to talk to anybody till Thursday. Now you think my ass is going to wait till Thursday?

No. No way, right? So, they leave. So we have a little vote. All the coaches, all the coaches, why we have fun with us. Where's Joe going? Cincinnati.

My ass is going to Cincinnati. We're going to find a way, boys. Well, coach, he's not talking to anybody with the... I don't want to hear that. So, on this trip, I made good friends with his brother Dan. Now, Dan is very talkative. Joe is not.

We laugh. We joke. So I said, Derek, call Dan. I'll call him on Monday morning. You guys have heard the story, right? You guys have heard this so many times. Dan, where you think Joe ought to go? Well, coach is his decision.

Dan, shut the F up. Then, nothing wrong with Cincinnati. Dan, Cincinnati or LSU? Dan, he's going to win the husband here. He's going to win. He's going to be a first-round draft truck. We're going to win. I know, coach.

I know, coach. But it's his. I said, bullshit, Dan. I said, Dan, do you love you, brother? He goes, yes, I do. I said, how much? A month. I said, Dan, take your hands and put it down your pants, son.

I said, squeeze them damn things. Make sure you got two. He said, Coach, I'm squeezing. I'm squeezing. I'm squeezing harder. I'm squeezing. If you got two, you're going to call you, brother, and you're going to tell him to come to LSU.

So he was my third-party call the whole week. Right? We tell the story all the time. It's true story. I mean, I think you actually was squeezing them, right? You got to find out you got two, right? Yeah. Let's go, babe.

So he called Joe every day when I'll, Joe knows we're talking to them. Now, Joe says at the end, that wasn't the deciding factor, but at least I felt good enough that my ass wasn't wait until Thursday. You know what I'm right? So out of the moon, hit a call.

Joe Burrow. You know, this is all. All of nothing, right guys? All of nothing, right? Yo, been in business videos that helped y'all gather at the top. And he goes, coach, I'm going to be a tire. What? Yes, baby.

Here we go, man. Here we go. And look, so we get going, right? So Joe comes with Tommy Moffitt in the summer, the first day. Now, I got three quarterbacks ahead of them, and these quarterbacks, they got the locker room. You know how to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got these guys.

Joe's an outsider. Joe's an outsider. They got these guys convinced that they're the guy. I knew in my heart that this was not beneficial for us to win a championship that he was. Because the type of quarterback he was. So Joe gets out there, we're running one tenths. He wins every one of them. It ain't even close.

After that, Foster Morrow, who... Yeah, we know Foster, a friend of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Foster hosted Joe on his recruiter, him and Foster. went throw past together. And the whole team was with, right for the show,

another quarterback throwing past. Joe, that summer, I wasn't there every day, but every day I wasn't even close. He was not going to lose 0-110. He was not going to lose anything. You saw the competitive desire. The other guys were trying.

They couldn't. And before you know it, he won the locker room. Before you know it, the whole team was thrown together at the end, and there was no ammo and the mouse any towards Joe. So we get into two days, right?

Now, I'm training four quarterbacks, right? Now, we open up with the University of Miami in Jerry World at Dallas. So we get about two weeks and we say, look, we've got to cut it. We've got two guys. We've got to train them. I had the coaches grade every drill.

Joe won every drill. Joe was going to want every drill. But, when I, we told all the coaches, no, we told all the quarterbacks that we need to start training two and that Joe and Miles was going to be the first two quarterbacks. Oh hell broke close. One guy transferred.

The next guy didn't come to practice. And man, it was a dark cloud. The players didn't want to practice. It was bad. So the next day we had to have a player leadership committee. All right? And those are all guys that I, I had recruited, and they said, Coach, you're wrong.

Joe's not the starting quarterback. He's not the best quarterback. This guy is. Obviously, the guy didn't believe. And he was a good quarterback. He did some good thing. So I finally had to put the grades down. I finally put it.

I went around. I looked at every one of them. I said, I recruited you, right? I went to your house, right? I said, I was going to treat you like my son, right? Have I done that? Yes, so you have? I said, do you think I'd do anything?

thing, a little bit sternly to hurt you, to hurt this football thing. It's my job to make the decision. It's your job to play. I know Joe Burrow will win us to the championship. Okay? You got to believe me. You know what they said? Coach, are you right?

We think the other guy better be a quarterback, but we're going to trust you, coach. And they went in there and they told the team, that we trust coach's decision, and we're going to follow you. and bam, and away we went. That would might have been, but the meeting in the parking lot and the meeting with the leadership committee, and they're the ones that the leadership committee

took it to the team and said, hey, we're going to back up Joe, and we're going. And that's how it all happened. Did anything come about when his first game, he goes 11 for 24 and only throws for 140? You know what? Be honest, and he'll tell you this, Joe got better.

Now, Joe hadn't played it three years, okay? Joe got better. And thank God, you know, Think about this. He graduated in three years. All-state basketball player, all-state football player. Mother was a principal. Daddy was a coach. Great character, great, all that. But he had played in three years. So he graduated in three years. Thank God we had him for two. His first year, now he got better as went on. And then we went through the spread and he started to go. But he got better. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he's one of the best of all time.

But I'm wondering if you had that leadership meeting to where you're like, this is the guy we're going with. everybody's against it. You have the first game against Miami. He only throws us 140 and surprised some of the guys like, look, we're trying to like, but you know what? He audible to play on four down that we'll help us win the game.

And they knew it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was kind of like, well, everybody saw it. But later on, we beat Georgia now. Georgia was ranked number two in the country that year. And we went for, four to the morning and five times.

And we beat the dog out of Georgia that year. And that was Joe's major, the first major winner in LSU. Yeah. Coming out party. That was a 10 and 3 year, correct? Yes. 10 and 3 year.

Let me say something about that 10 and 3 year. We're playing UCF. They're undefeated. They're very good. And we're getting beat 14-0. It's 11 o'clock game. We ain't awake. And they're pumped to play the Tigers, right?

And all of a sudden, Joe throws an interception, and this guy blindsizes them and targets them. Okay? and Joe's in all four, I don't know if the guy that hit him. Look at it, right there. The guy spit on him. That guy right there is from yonels

and spit on Joe, okay? The team saw it. I said, Miles, get ready. Joe stood up. F that! I ain't coming out! We commenced to kicking these boys' ass on joy and never lost another game

than other shoe before. That moment right there made Joe borrow right down. He wasn't coming out. You know what I mean? He wasn't coming out. We commend to kicking their ass. That was his moment right now.

God damn. That kind of juiced me up here and that. That was his moment when the team finally said, you know what? Here's our guy. Yeah. Here's our guy. His senior day when he jogs out of the tunnel

and his last name is spell EAUX. What would how bad? First off, so understanding your crowd, your fan base, changing it like that. It's very impressive. And it's one of those things

where like everybody's an LSU fan in that moment watching that happen. What did he, talked to you about that before? Or did you kind of get surprised by it? He asked Derek. Well, here's what happened. You know, we're going so well.

I gave him the keys. Joe, you're the leader. You tell me what y'all want. Not him. I want no pussy or nothing like that. You know what I mean? But on little things while I was on the side of what should we do, not do, go to the movie, not go to the movie, I let Joe decide.

And he went to Derek, I'll coach Joe, if I can put EAUX. He was his own thoughts. That goes to show you the showmanship that he has. You know, a lot of great players, great coaches can compartmentalize.

I'm sure you guys can do that. You can put one thing in your mind, focus on it. If you have to change, go to there and come back. He done it with the best of them. They went crazy. You're talking about,

you talk about capture the state of Louisiana. and I think we beat Texas A&A and a 50 or nothing that thing. Really? Beat the shit out of them. Yeah, I mean, 15 and 0, bro. Yeah, EAUX is such a badass move.

That's so fucking badass. Almost as good as the cigar. Yeah, yeah. He got to start that too, right? Same thing. Yeah. Do you guys still keep up with each other? If I text or Joey,

you'll text it back in a minute. Yeah. But you know what? I'm not going to call those guys and mess with them. All right, Jamar Chase. All right. Jamar Chase is committed to back then a couple of different commits

you know what I'm saying? And that's one of my favorite moments right there You know I told him I'll take it easy on that Cigar board next day in the press conference I told my ex-wife now I said that right there is going to be a moment caught in time and it sure was But anyway Jamar Chase was committed

But this time he was committed to Florida But he came to camp If daddy was there And his mama Mr. Lee was there who I love Okay, Mickey Joseph was a recruit Who I loved, great recruiter But the staff before, and Jamar's big, I can see it But I wouldn't have done it

Told Jamar he had to play quarterback Can you imagine? You what the mom said? No No, we ain't happening. We ain't going to LSU. So he runs a sluggo, slant and goal, I guess one of our best players, our best recruits,

I was break his ankle, a quarterback. And I looked at his daddy, I said, over my dead body, Jamar Chase is going to Florida. He said, because you got to get the mama. So we worked hard, making the work hard. Anyway, we end up getting Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson comes to camp.

Does the same thing. We've got best players against best players. He's a two-star recruit, right? Two-star recruit, yes, sir. 160 pounds, so can what? But both of his brothers played at LSU, okay? So Heath does a good job. I'm in camp, man.

We said, wait a minute now. This boy's in the state of Louisiana. See, I used to tell our guys, trust your own evaluation. Don't give me this. Well, Alabama offered him. We got off of bullshit. That stuff will get you fired. Let's trust our own evaluation.

So, I go down to his school, meaning his coach has been known each other for a long time. And then be be, I said, coach, we're off of just a scholarship. But hey, you don't feel good about him, right? you play the last you go? I said, of course, he did some real good things for us. He goes, you know, I don't know if he's going to be eligible for signing day, but he can do some work and maybe we can get out for the summer.

I said, who else is offered him? They'd nickel state. And they played in a run, run offense and stuff like that. So they couldn't see nothing. So he got out, I got eligible in July, just and just. Golly. And then just seeing that machine come alive during that 15-0 run, like.

That's that bit talent, bro? Not a thing. I mean, arguably the best offense to ever step on the field. Thank you. So, Steve Innsmaker, one of my best friends, as general,

we won 80% of our games with Steve. Okay? Great, great guy. Love him. He's like John Wayne, man. He's a good guy. He handles shit in the office that needed to be handled.

But we didn't score any points against Alabama. 2000 then we're 17 so in 2018 we were studying the RPO's so we brought a young guy named Joe

Brady who was an intern at the Saints but had been at Penn State with the guy I forget his name he was that Mississippi State the head coach but they were good at RPO's run past option so Joe comes put up

gives our staff a lecture on run-pass options. Again, 10 on the SEC, right? Boy, situational awareness, baby. Huh? Do you know you, see what I'm saying?

It took me five minutes to realize. Whoa. Whoa. This guy's special. So, I told Steve, after we played Alabama, I said, Steve. When you had LSU,

you got to, how are you going to beat Alabama? You can tell everybody that day. How are you going to match him, man? They were so dominant. I thought we had to get bigger of Taska. It wasn't that. We needed to spread the ball out. And we need to get a quarterback.

I got him. Now we need to learn the spread offense. He knew it. I said, Steve, if I hire Joe, will you let him teach us to spread? He goes, hell yeah. Now, I just asked him right after we didn't score a damn point against Alabama. So that was a teachable moment for all of us. They were kind of humble.

And we brought Joe in. Steve and Joe were wonderful. We went to the spread. We went to the lookovers. And we looked at the sideline. If Joe Brady caught you in the defense, and he told Joe Barrow what to do with those two cats we had, we burned so many people.

By athletic ability, great quarterback, great players, and we had a great offensive line and great coaches. It all came together. Yeah. When did Joe Brady leave for Buffalo? Well, we win the national championship, right? Yeah. Now, I don't partake.

I don't go out no more. You know, I've been sober for almost 26 years now. Thank God. If I wasn't, the whole world would know, I promise you all. So everybody went out on birthday, right? So I had a press conference the next day. So I go to press conference, and then I get on the bus. So I'm like, Joe Burroughs going, Joe Brady's going to NFL.

I'm like, can I just enjoy this stuff for one day? The next day he was going. shit. That day he was going, yeah. Man, that's the game. That is the game. Like, you have success. They're going to take your assistant coaches away from you.

That's right. Yeah. And then you can't, it's hard to fill shoes like Joe Brady after that. Man, what a story. Just being able to sit here and take all that in. That was unbelievable. Yeah. You were at USC and 04, correct?

Said again. You were at USC and 04? National champ. Back back, 2003, 2004. You take 2004 USC versus 2019 LSU. They both step up, step on the gridiron for the national championship. who wins that game. Let me say something

that year. We had 55 sacks at the USC called the Wild Bunch and we gave up 1.8 yards of carry. We led the nation and turnover ratio.

But I will say this to you. I'll tell you guys the game plan. You don't need to write this down you boys going to be coaches. 2019 game plan, you all ready? If the bus left at 2.30,

I'm going to answer you a question. I got on the bus and I made sure damn Joe Burroughs on the bus. If he wasn't on the bus, bus driver, you ain't leaving, man. We got to the stadium. I said, hey, Joe, throw the ball to Jamar.

If he ain't open, throw to the Justin, ready break, and I became a fan, because I knew nobody could stop us. We scored 50 points a game. As much as I liked that, USC team, we were in the pro-style offense. We wasn't in a spread, and we could get ahead of them,

and I do believe, in Miami, You had a great team too. But I do believe because of the spread, because of Joe Burrow, we could outscore anybody. So you got the 2019 LSU Tigers over that USC team. You know he's got a little biased too because he was the head coach of the Tigers. But still defensively, he's got a thing in his mind too that Joe, Joe Burroughs going to shred his defense. Ray Maluga, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Taylor Mays. The Wild Bunch.

But. Look at them. But look at them. Yeah. Now, that's it right there, boys. Make sure they're on the bus. Make sure. Hey, look at the NFL.

They still can't stop those two. Yeah. Think about it now. And how about Justin Jefferson, Jeffs, a two-star, like you mentioned, was the NFL offensive MVP? He's incredible. What was it like with Ray Mal Lug and Brian Cushy?

I was there. I was there with them when they were young, not in their heyday. Okay. But, hey, I know them. That's true. O-4. They're in their.

Hey, they had a lot of them. I know about all the old. But we had a guy named Lofus de Tupu is pretty damn good. You know what I said? And we had some good defenses. We had really good defenses to the people. I love it. Is there anything that the boys in the back want to ask?

Jack, about Tennessee. Any questions at all? Sherms got one. Coach, I'm an alumnus of Baylor. There's been a lot of talk about Dave Aranda and his future at the school. Yeah. What are your thoughts on just Dave Aranda? he's going through with Baylor, do you think he can turn it around?

You know, first of all, I'm a big fan of days because he was a great coach for me. You know what I mean? He gave a lot to LSU. I do believe just like me now, okay, no different. He's a better defensive mind than I am, a lot more cerebral than I am. I doubt if he only made a thinner as ACT, okay? You know what I'm saying? But just like myself, I had to get great players and great.

great coaches. I don't think he's hit that mark yet on a overall basis. He might have had it in spots here and there. I think in order for Dave to be a great head coach, he has to be surrounded by great assistance and great players. What he can do now next year, I surely hope so because he's a great person. Thank you. That's beautiful. What was it like for you in the fall at LSU. Going 15 at O and then kind of the dissension going down at LSU. It was tough. God, it was tough.

It was tough. But look, you know, we hired Bull. Bull had the number one defenses in the world. It just didn't work. That was during that COVID year, too. And I knew, too, like when he went back to LSU, obviously he had a ton of success, both in Nebraska, but even before that when he was the defense coordinator for less miles at LSU. I thought he just going to fire.

Yeah. Knowing that it was during that COVID year, and we were training over at Vanderbilt at the time like when we were playing for Tennessee and the way the strength coach that we worked with we talked about all the rules and guys not showing up, X, Y, and Z. I'm thinking, man, the even double brackets,

the way the tendency-oriented stuff that Boe uses, that's going to be very hard for guys to execute if they're not like learning in the system throughout the off season. Good, because you've been through it. Oh, yeah. And you know how complicated it is, but Bo has very intelligent.

Now, it just didn't get away. You know, Mike Leach started running crossing around some stuff like that. We were busting. It just, it wasn't bull's fault now. It just didn't work out. Right. You had to be so detailed in that scene because there's ways to beat it, but if guys knew kind of tendencies, formationally, condensed formations, bunches,

guys like inverted alignments, like you had to kind of know everything going on for it to be successful. I'm curious, too, what was it like on the sideline with Coach Bo? It was good to me. You talk about you being a hot head. Like knowing Coach Bo. Yeah, let me tell you something. As far as my relationship with Coach Polini, he let me be the head coach, and he was good. I mean, he was really good.

Now, he blew up a couple of times, but he let me handle that. But he was not abrasive or bad at any way. Yeah. He was actually pretty damn good. That's awesome here. Because Coach Bo would blow up at times, and then the next day not even know what you're talking about. You're just thinking, what do you just black out in these moments? You don't remember what you don't remember what you were saying to me.

You don't remember putting your hands on me? He'd like pat me on the head. I'd laugh and then I'm thinking, what the f this dude is a sight. He did. He cared about his players. Yes, he did. What was your thought process when you were on your way out and they announced Brian Kelly as a head coach of LSU?

Because to me, I think of LSU is obviously an incredible job to have, but it takes a unique personality to handle that school, that location, that state. And Brian Kelly didn't feel like the personality to handle that. What was your thought process? First of all, you know, I knew we made a mutual decision. They fired me. We made a mutual decision. We made a mutual decision.

They fired me. Yeah. I mean, after the fourth or fifth game or something like that. And so I was good with it. But I wanted to coach this team to it. And I'm not leaving this team. And we did. And, you know, we played pretty good.

I almost beat Alabama also. But at the end, we beat Texas A&M in the end. I was ready to go. Because there was enough, you know. And then they went through a little source right there. And when they named him, he was a big time hiring stuff like that. But I wondered how well he would relate, like you said. Louisiana has a different place, man.

People think different. Players are raised different. People raise different in the South. You've got to be a personable person. You got to go in there and love them. It ain't so much about the X's and the O's. By getting them to play. And, you know, hey, taking care of them and make them sure they understand that.

He didn't do that. He didn't have to do it at Notre Dame. Right. Or if he did it, I don't know. But when he came out and said family and like that, it just wasn't a good thing. Yeah. Is he a great coach? Yes, he is.

I mean, he did it at Notre Dame for a long time. That's right. He was great. A lot of respect for him. He did it? What, Cincinnati before that? I believe so. Yeah.

Yeah, Cincinnati before that, Notre Dame, yeah. I was curious, too, how it would happen. Jack, you got something? I'm just curious to know what does a perfect day look like for Coacho? Doesn't have to involve football I would assume it would but from when you wake up to go to bed what is a perfect

day for Coach? You're talking about today? What is your perfect day? I'm not working? What is your perfect day? First of all, I married a beautiful woman that's 21 years younger than me. Y'all saw a picture on the internet I got lucky but I still can recruit there she is right now, okay?

Brandy Nicole, that's my girl. I love her to death. You see that rock on her on a hand, huh? You know what I tell her? I said, baby, you're pretty. You're pretty expensive. She's the love of my life, man. That girl has warmed my heart.

She's wonderful. And we spent some great years together. So what my day is, now I wake up in the morning at 5. Now, she's still sleeping. And I look at that beautiful thing on the side of me and say, you're a lucky man. I get up and I'll say my prayers.

Now, I'm involved in Alcoholics Anonymous. I have a little reading I'd do every day. And then at South Beach, I'd go to a meeting every day from 7-8. Met some good friends there. And then I'd go to South Beach. Now, listen to this. You guys are like this. I've been doing some deadlifts.

I go to Muscle Beach. I started doing some deadlift so I get my legs back. Deadlifts and squats. Now, obviously, there's some good sites there that can motivate you, you know what I mean? And so I go work out. I go lift on the muscle beach. I just got my shorts on, feet in the sand.

Then after that, me and Brandon Nicole, go, we walk this way, then we run, and then we walk the steps, and we do everything. We don't get back home to about 3.30. And then we go to the pool, do what we need to do,

eat supper, and get up the next day and do it again. That's a typical day of Coachell. All right. Well, there you are. Well done. Well done. Get some work done right there.

Now look, hey look. You know what pisses me off about that? See, I call that a jog, right? And people pass me by and say, great day for walking. And then coach, God, I'm jogging, boy. You had to check one. Yeah, there was one dude.

Okay. Came up. Was that Bama? Yeah, it was a Ro-Tal. If I could tell anything from this conversation, you like a lot of schools, you do not fuck with Bama. Well, here's the deal, okay. When I was six years old, no, I was two, eight to ten,

I met Coach Charlie, McClendon. He came up to me. He goes, hello, he's the head coach of LSU Tigers. I saw the man on TV. Hello, young man. My name is Charles McClendon. I'm the head coach at the LSU fighting tigers.

I thought I was talking to God. I swear, I saw the man on TV. But the man was so nice to me, shook my hand. Now, we couldn't take a picture back then. Nobody had pictures on their phone. We couldn't afford a camera. That wasn't going to happen. That was for the TV man.

that camera, you know what I mean? But he became my favorite coach. But I knew the power of being the head coach at LSU what it did for a young boy. So ever since then, anybody asked me to take a picture? I'll take a picture. You're someone on a walk in, right? Are you doing? I ask them their name because it's not me as the position.

Now, so when I'm jogging, do, do, do, do, do you see my little jog, right? It's not like it's warp speed where I can't stop, right? And somebody, hey, coach, you take a picture? Yeah. Well, that situation there, you know, the guy was a good guy, and then I started going away, and he says those two words that I don't like, you know. So I called and, like you said, checked them, you know what I mean? And all I wanted to do is teach him respect.

Look, man, I'm on my job. I'll stop. I'm going to take a picture with you. I'm running away, and you're going to say that he was very apologetic. He was very good. 99% of people are fantastic. Hey, by the way, you'll see that picture? You boys come find me when you're 64, what you?

I talked to him about being respectful. All right, he said was Roll Tide. Here, God, you got to try to be respectful out here, you know? He just said. He wasn't like, fuck you, Coach. He was like, all right, coach, roll time. What the fuck. Come here now.

Let me talk to you for a second. The school spirit from a rival. Hey, roll tight. No, no, no, no. Let me teach you about respect. The older guys always kind of grab your form. Go over here, let me teach you something. You're right.

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Okay, good. All right, good, good. A big bowl of chicken and sausage gumbo with some filet gumbo with it. And you see, in Louisiana, we take the potato salad and we put it in the gumbo. Now that I'll fight a bear for him. That's the best answer we've ever heard. There you go, baby. Look at that thing.

See the potato salad? Yeah. You got out of a quick to go, man, and I'll tell you what. If you eat, no, I can't say that. That's all. This has been incredible. Coach, we cannot. Exceeded all expectations.

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And then once you just start ripping stories, man. Yeah. It's like, sit back and just enjoy this. Yeah. Shut out, Coach Eck. That's off, Coachak, how we doing, man? You, my man, I love you to death, boy. Every once in a while, I'll send him a little text.

Now, Coachak, that three technique got to play a little bit better now. Those linebackers ain't fit right. I know, Coach, I know, Coach. I know, Coach. But he's phenomenal. What a great man. He is. He is. We are sitting in his office, and for whatever reason Coach O comes up, he's, I'm going to call him.

Let me call him. Or you might have called him. I can't even remember, but you go on speaker, and you're talking to, you're talking with me, Jack and JP, can't even see your faces. And he's talking to us like he's been on the bus the entire time. Like, we've just been, like, he recruited us. Like, we know him and everything else. We're like, Coach, oh, you got to come on buss with the boys.

I think you were riding in the car with your wife, and she knew about busing with the boys. Oh, no, sure. I got to come on here now. Yeah. She lives in Nashville. She lives in Nolansville. Yeah. She has a home down here.

She knows all about you guys. Yeah. Let's go, man. I love that. That's gochak right there. Look at him. That's him. Wow, man.

Yeah. Yeah, that fits. That place. I mean, he's going, that's as close as it gets, right? Fellas, we're thinking of what? Yeah. I mean, Coach Eck, you got God. You're getting canceled with this photo coming out. Well, you can see why he and I got alone. Just by that picture. I mean, you know where you got?

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