Bussin' With The Boys - Connor Stallions Reveals Art Of Sign Stealing + Details In The Michigan Manifesto

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

In this week's episode of Bussin' With The Boys, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sit down with the star of Netflix's Original Documentary, Untold: Sign Stealer, Connor Stalions, the alleged "Sign Stealer" from the Michigan Wolverines football program! Now a Head Coach for his old High School team, Connor dives deep into his journey with the Wolverines, the art of locating & deciphering opposing teams’ signals, and the strategy that he developed to help Michigan win the 2023 National Championship. He sheds light on his role in the controversial "sign stealing" allegations and shares his perspective on what really happened behind the scenes. Will and Taylor also touch on the Wolverines' dominance in the Big Ten during Conor Stalions's tenure, Michigan's rivalry with Ohio State, and the inception of the Michigan Manifesto. Connor describes the dark underbelly of CFB and the black market dealings of "sign traders". He denies, clarifies, and introduces multiple allegations that have been thrown his direction. Even noting other teams in FBS College Football that are using "sign stealers" to this very day. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more Bussin' content, and be sure to comment below what costumes Will and Taylor should wear on this year's Halloween Episode! Big Hugs, and real tiny lil freakin kissy-poo!! TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 0:56 Shameless Plug 2:59 We Have A Legend Joining Us 7:37 Tough College Football Weekend For Almost All The Boys 34:49 NFL Recap 46:09 Fantasy Football Punishment 48:47 Youth Football Stories 56:21 The Boys Will Be At Ohio State vs Oregon This Weekend 57:12 Best Spooktober Yet? + Our Spooktober Merch 59:26 Be Our Fan Call-In For The Locker Room 1:01:38 Comment What The Boys Should Be For Our Halloween Episod 1:03:26 CONNOR STALLIONS INTERVIEW STARTS 1:03:54 Connor Is A Fan Who Made A Difference For His Team 1:09:03 Making His Own Path + Starting At The Naval Academy 1:11:47 First Opportunity Outside Of The Naval Academy 1:17:01 He Made Frank Clark A Scouting Report Against Taylor?? 1:22:17 The Michigan Manifesto 1:25:36 When Did He Start Sign Stealing 1:45:00 His Other Responsibilities 1:48:16 Ohio State TE Screen 1:52:23 How Many Sign Stealers Are Out There? 1:57:54 Underground Sign Stealing World/Trading Inofrmation 2:04:51 Has Helmet Comms Made It Harder? 2:08:40 What’s Wrong With Michigan? 2:12:55 Other Than Sign Stealing, What Else Was He Good At? 2:20:00 EXOS Pirating Practice Film 2:21:41 What Was The Michigan Manifesto’s Foundation Based Off Of? 2:31:50 Twisted QOTW 2:37:11 3 Coaches He Learned The Most From 2:39:33 Got His First Win As High School Coach 2:46:46 Who Else In The Big Ten Is Stealing Signs? 2:50:57 Tier TalkFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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so the Connor Stallions right Connor Stallions he's on his he's on a flight here right now as we are as we're speaking and the guy what you know where he was yesterday Seattle Washington yeah because he went to the Michigan game of course he did flying to Chicago was going to

drive back up to Michigan but instead is making a quick pit stop in national Tennessee and he's going to fly back to Chicago today to drive back to Ann. I don't know if to Ann Arbor, but Michigan. The guy's a stud, dude. He's, he's a one-of-a-kind. And I am so excited. I think this is his first, like, long-form interview since everything, right?

Yeah. And here, the boys. I don't know, do we want to tell them? A couple of ball players. A couple of guys. Some sign-stealers on the field. Yeah. Did you watch documentary?

I did. I just saw clips. So in the documentary. I saw enough to know that he did. whatever he could for his for his university which you got to respect i'll let him speak on that i'll absolutely let him speak on that however he wants to word it there is a part in the documentary with the student named bro hio is like another super fan of ohio state and he's like being interviewed with a mask on and glasses and a hat and he's basically was one of the guys that was like infiltrating

michigan and finding all the articles and all the things to help take down michigan during this thing and you can just tell bro is salty as fuck about how much connor got exposure is like this guy all he cares about his attention all he cares about this there's another guy Tony something from Detroit Free Press Tony I don't know but I looked him up after I watched the show and the guy's like very negative anti-Michigan during the documentary guy graduated from Michigan State so there's like you can just it's just different it's just different in the big 10 man yeah that's not him that's not him it's not somebody like to me the cat who said it was his name brohio brohio he's just doing it for attention like it's it's not like Connor Stallion

started this whole thing, the manifesto, and thought the end game was getting Netflix documentary. Right. The end game was a national championship. Yeah, he wanted to win. Right. And it's incredible to, I mean, we'll obviously dive more into it with him. But at some point in that documentary, he's talking about how Michigan is about to get all these sanctions put on him.

And he basically was like, I don't want anything to happen in Michigan. So he essentially told his lawyer, like, tell him it was all me. Tell him, I did everything. Let me go on the screen. in a true marine fashion. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait.

I want to learn about the details of the manifesto, how it grew over time. Like, I mean, the dude is a, he's a wizard. He's a wizard on the scouting reports. And there is, you got to memorize a lot of shit. I want to know all of it. And there is apparently some underground sign stealer group where more teams than not actually have this going on. Yeah.

Ultimately, counterstallions is like the Lance Armstrong of sign stealing. Yeah. It's like you get popped. get caught all this stuff and then you learn later on that everybody tries to do it i mean every team tries everybody has tried to do it managed possible to win and so it's really it's it's such an interesting interview we're about to have because there's literally a pending investigation going on right now so for him to be able to sit down with us and give us the information he is like it's wild and so we'll just he's for the boys yeah he is for the boys and i got i got on the phone with him because we for those of

you that don't know we're doing busting with the boys a little bit differently this year we're starting we're keeping guests throughout the year as opposed to doing zooms so october 8th was one of those kind of glaring we don't have a guest here literally what was it friday when i texted you or saturday yeah friday i text you i was like hey i'm gonna try to get connor i got on the phone with him and i was like hey i know this whole stuff's going on but like how can we get you in national one right and he's like yeah i'll come for sure i was like oh you got to make sure my lawyers go with it i was like just tell your lawyer to tell us what what not to talk about that conversation with his lawyer still has not happened he's still coming no matter what because he's for the boys man

Boys, dude. He really is. And it's interesting. He said he DM me a photo, I don't know, like a few months ago of when I was at Michigan. And he, and it's a photo of me and him. And he's wearing like a Michigan flag, like one of those crazy Michigan fan things. This is when he was like 15, 16 years old. He came out of the womb ready to be a Michigan.

Ready. Ready. And if you see, like literally for Halloween one year, he was a Michigan coach. That's like he is 100%. Was this one Harbaugh? I'm assuming he was doing Halloween still. like dressing up as a Michigan coach like in his 20s, however old he is. Maybe, maybe.

No kids just dressed in probably. How old is he? He is, I think he was born in 95, so he's four years younger than me. He's 29. Okay. 29. Too bad he couldn't help the boys out on Saturday. I know.

I tell you what? I just, I look around the bus. Everybody's team kind of lost like, yeah, Mitch, I guess he's an Ohio State fan. Sherm, he's, what did you go on the weekend? One in five? Two and five. Two and five. Apparently he's claiming the Texas Longhorns now.

He's like, my wife went there. That is crazy. He's hook him. He's hook him all day. I don't know. How are you a fan of? I love their jerseys. We can't give you West Virginia, bro.

I was watching him when Pat White was there. Everybody was watching when Pat White was there. Steve Slayton. Dang, you played the video game with them? Oh, yeah. All the time. So I'd consider myself a fan. Pat McAfee.

Oh, yeah. Pat McAfee. We're all Western Virginia fans, apparently. Geno Smith. Went two and five. But go ahead, Will. Talk about how we're all losers and you're not. I know, I know.

Nebraska did win. And I'm excited about that. I did hate seeing everybody's team lose. It's kind of like a weird, I'm used to feeling like the loser of the entire group. And it's like, yeah, yeah, JP as well. I didn't want to just throw a random stray at you. Like, South Carolina's been,

they've been in the dumps for a while as well. But yeah, it does. it feels good to unseated and undefeated Rutgers team. We played our worst football, not defense. Defense played incredible, but we had two blocked punts. Which? Two blocked punts. Can't have that, number one.

But we had two block punts. It was, Rayola's probably worst game of his season so far. And the boys, the black shirt showed up in an incredible fashion. We did. We eked out a win. I hated that rule didn't try to at least drive. They were in enemy territory and at least get a feel. go to cover. It was ultimately a push because I got them at minus seven. I know some people got

a minus six and a half. Should have paid for that little, what do they call it? Should have paid for the hook. Yep. Yep. But yeah, it does. It feels good. It feels good to be a winner. The sole winner on the bus. I, you know, I hate it for everybody else. And to lose in the fashion, like, I mean, Vanderbilt. We're talking what? Music City Miracle 2.0. That was insane that Vandy. Should We start there, Vandy upsetting Alabama. Because again, we're on a buy week. We're back. We're 4 and 1, 5, and 1.

We're on a buy week. We go to Indiana. That's going to be a very tough game for us because Indiana is a good team. But we have a buy this week. But if I can start deflecting and get it off of myself, the spotlight off of myself, and we can talk about this young man right here. Pavia. Pavia?

Yeah. They came from, I believe, New Mexico State last year. And just this guy is every bit of. of a psycho, and I mean that in the best way possible. Yeah. Literally, there was a news article that came out where they were playing one of their rivals at New Mexico State, might be New Mexico. Who knows?

That's, I don't follow them. But apparently in the middle of the night on an away game, went to their 50-yard line and pissed on their field. Like, that's the kind of operation this kid's dealing with. Like he, this kid, and I'm not taking a shot. Like, he's not an NFL guy, right? Like, we're not looking at him as like a first-round pick type of guy. Just a true official, true.

college legend. Yeah, just a football player who saw Alabama and there's no fear in his mind. No fear. No fear. Like he was going to go out. There was a couple of plays in that game where he goes, runs the sign line, three or four yard game, gets hit out of bounds, slips and falls, gets up. He's right in the DB's face.

Losing his fucking mind about it. Now, he's not like a throw it down the field type of guy. Who is the head coach for Vandy? It doesn't matter. Whoever the OC is. The creativity they have on. offense is incredible. There's one play in particular. Clark Lee. Shout out Clark Lee because they had

early in the game they did a your classic option pitch play and they caught the edge and they ended up getting a bigger gain on that which is like 12, 15 yards. Later in the game when it counted the most I believe it was the end of the third quarter. They're in like a they're trying to obviously take all the clock they possibly can. They go and they showed the same option but they turn it into a shovel pass. So you have the whole defense going east and west and as he's about to pitch it throws it the other way kid takes it and has an explosive play there so they're used they're utilizing this kid's creativity because you saw it against virginia tech when they're the game's really on

the line he's like running and he just decides to throw it at the side yeah just doing he's either running or just throwing dishing it off yeah and and these vanderbell boys man they hey they were right these band of fucking misfits these outliers in the SEC where nick sabin has laid gone on record everywhere in the SEC is hard to play at except for vanderbell just drug through the mud 24-7, treated like shit, and they're in an amazing city where they don't have a whole lot of recruits.

They have guys that just decide, hey, I'm not good enough here, so I'm going to go to Vanderbilt. I'm smart enough to go to Vanderbilt. I'm smart enough to go to Vanderbilt. These fucking kids just unseated the one seat. And I'm, I keep catching eyes with G and G's are Alabama.

And I, in no way am I trying to take away from you or any of this because we've done that last year. And I'm not trying to do that. I'm just like, I feel I'm excited for Vanderbilt, man. Like, they just did a historical thing that they've never done at that school. It will be etched.

They told us in June. They told us in June. We did a Duke Canon promotion with them. And they're like, bro, they're sleeping on us. Yeah. I'm thinking, that's what they all say, kid. Like, all right, boys, good job. He said, no, we're going to shock the world to shit.

Yes. You had these white offensive linemen, and they are talking way different. I'm like, you don't need to talk like that. I'm thinking to myself, these dudes are out of their fucking minds. But they pulled it off, man. And they pulled it off. and started with Virginia Tech.

And now they've got three wins. They've already beat their win total that Vegas said for the year. Yeah. First time in school history, program history, defeating the one seed. First time they beat Alabama since September of 1984. And that was in Tuscaloosa. When's the last time they beat Alabama at home? Like the 20s?

19. Just before the Depression. The game was filmed in black and white the last time that should happen. That is crazy. It's one of the biggest upsets in college football history, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. So I guess my question,

maybe the biggest. Is that the biggest? It's probably App State, Michigan. Was Michigan one though? I don't know if Michigan was right number one. We were like 10 though. We were 10.

They were a 1 AA school. Right. But Appstate kind of has a little resume of doing that to people. Yeah. And they're solid now. Yeah, they're solid. And I think they are D1 now. They are.

But still like, and to go even more like shitting on Michigan, like Vanderbilt is still in the SEC. It's still a conference game. They still play these teams every single year. It's just, It's just wild, man. The question I have for the chat is who is a more famous Vanderbilt quarterback, Pavia or Jay Cutler at this point?

I think you've got to go Pavia. You might have to go Pavia. This kid might have a fucking statue. It might be made out of, you know, foam. But I don't know what Vanderbilt's budget looks like. They got some money. They got some money. They got some money.

But I'm just saying, bro, this kid might be the most famous player ever in Vanderbilt history at this point. Jay Cutler will have like the more decorated career. because obviously he was a first round picking and the NFL and everything else. But as far as like etched in stone forever, Pavia is going to be the guy. The guy. Because they're going to,

you know, they're going to build their recruiting around that. It's like something that's like, yeah, what was it like the night where two goalposts marched down through Broadway? Multiple miles. Into the river.

Right. Like, Jack, Tennessee, when you all beat Alabama and you guys started the goalpost thing. How far is the goalposts from Neeland Stadium to the river? It's right next door. Right next door. But we took it to the strip, which is about a mile and a half.

Okay. So there's a lot of effort both ways. The fact that they took it from Vanderbilt Stadium to the Cumberland, I think it's like 3.1 miles. And then they broke through the police barricade on Broadway. That shows grit. It shows grit. That shows crazy grit. You think of Andy and you think nerds.

Unfortunately, that's just the case. Right. Those kids change the narrative this weekend. They might be nerds, but they got fucking hard. Yeah, they got grit. They're gritty nerds. Maybe the most dangerous kind of human. They have a core memory forever.

Look at this kid on the goalpost. That's your profile picture the rest of your life. You see that in the far right? Yeah. In the Tennessee. He's like, fuck yeah, Bama laws. We're still undefeated. And then he went to Broadway and got his heart broken.

God. And also shout out the city too for even though they went through the cop bear and everything else. Like you know the police just like, hey, they're experiencing the greatest moment this. university has ever seen. Let him take it there. And then I want to say, I was listening to Josh Page, shout out the boy,

but he was saying how he, when he was coming back, he saw, like, a rescue mission to get the goalposts out of the water, like, you know,

in the middle of the night, obviously. There's a lot of boat traffic that goes through there. So that goalposts, it was floating for a good sec. If that catches someone's prop, like it's going to break your body.

Yeah, that boat, they're literally sinking ships. Little mini-titanics everywhere throughout the Cumberland River. Just a, that's one piece of the insane weekend that college football had. Alabama lost. Tennessee lost to Arkansas.

Michigan lost. Musc. Missouri got embarrassed. Called USC by the way. By A&M. Rutgers undefeated lost. I'll say this, dude. When I was, when we were doing the locker room and I was looking through all the slate of college football,

I kind of thought to myself, this is like maybe the most boring week of college football. Yeah, I think everybody felt that way. And it was the best. I mean, it wasn't the best Michigan lost, but like, that was like Michigan lost, but that was an incredible game to watch as well. Not really. Yeah, I know your heart was getting broken.

Turnovers, we spotted them 14 early. Listen, it is tough when you're the 10th ranked team in the country and you go to the Pacific Northwest to play a team that's unranked and you're underdogs by two and a half points. I know. It seemed like who what's a kid what's the quarterback's name? Tuttle. Tuttle.

Seemed like he had a little bit of life. Seemed like he had a little bit of life. Yeah, he did. He started throwing all the other team. Well, yeah. And the thing is, here's what gives me optimism about the rest of the season. Okay. With Orgy, a fantastic athlete looks like a guy you would create on NCAA 14.

Like he's got the look. He's got everything. It's like, oh, we kind of got a milro, but he's completely not. Yeah, but he's not pushing the ball down the field. Now you look at this tunnel kid. right looks like he got into vanderbell on a full right academic scholarship no doubt about it but he comes in and his numbers weren't like incredible however at one point he was like seven for nine for like 85 yards and it's like okay we're we're able to throw the ball a little bit to where the

defense has to play us a little more honest you see donovan edwards kind of get a spark going you still mollings get a little spark going lovelin what lovelin gets and then listen he tries to go up in the pocket in the fourth quarter with six minutes left in the game. They hit the ball out. There's a turnover. He throws a pick later. All those things are very frustrating. And it is a big reason why we lost the game.

But we have good receivers. We have possibly the greatest tied in all of college football right now. And we have a guy that can, even though he's not the best, he can get the ball to them, which allows us to strengthen our run game. It just, even though our offense is not that much better, It is better. You can execute the forward pass a little more. We can execute.

We can officially turn on forward pass in our offense. And that gives me hope because the defense is not their best day. Which is crazy. I mean, you got two first rounders on defense. Three, maybe. Yeah. I mean, that Grant kid, 55, Graham, and then Will Johnson. And that linebacker number 15, he's a good player.

And then, bro, what I tell you about zero? Third and eight, which I know you love zero on third and eight with a game on the line, Will Johnson gets a DPI. And it's just like, there goes, that's the game. It's over. It's done. And I just, I, I, I don't love how much we blitz.

I don't. I know that's Winks thing. That's not Will Johnson. He plays for the Washington commanders now. I don't love how much they blitz. I wish they would just play their man, play their zone, throw in a couple blitzes here and there to keep them honest. Just rush for. You have the talent. You have the

talent to get to the quarterback with four and you have guys that can cover all around. Yeah. It's like, I know it's tough. It's frustrating, but I do weirdly after that game, I'm like, okay, like our offense has added the throwing portion. We're halfway through the year and now we can, we can throw the ball a little bit. I don't give a shit if it's checkdowns, brother. We can fucking do it now.

You, uh, I did watch your video and you're talking about what was the record going into Ohio State? Nine and two. I feel like you're sleeping on some. clubs now. I know, but listen, and I saw your tweet. Let's focus on one game at a time. I get it. I'm just trying to help you out. I know. I know, Will. And trust me, I'll get there eventually. Like, I know this is, to me, this is picture perfect. I'm up here and you're like, hey, maybe you should be down here for a little bit. I'm like, no, fuck that I got to stay up here. Eventually, I'm going to end up

where you are telling me to be. But not right now. Yeah. Not yet. I'm just saying I have. Because Illinois stuff. It's tough ball club. Michigan State, dude. It's not a gimmie. I mean, Illinois is probably going to be favorite. We had Oregon November 2nd, which I might be taking win to. Yeah, that'll be fun. That'll be fun. What's that?

Yeah, but Michigan State is garbage, bro. Gee, didn't have the mic. He said Michigan State looked trash against Oregon. Yeah, Michigan State is fucking garbage. But I'm just saying, do, we've got a chance. We've got a puncher's chance. We got a chance. Who, with the way college football kind of ended up over the weekend,

who do we think is the favorite now in the SEC? outside of Texas. It's hard to say it's not Vandy. Right? Vandy's going big game hunting. Yeah, dude. They are. African safari, dude.

Cool hats, 50 caliber rifles, and they just took down a big bull. A big dog. I think you would think it would be it's still the same three teams probably. Alabama. Texas and Georgia. Texas, Georgia, Tennessee.

because it was a brutal loss, but I personally have been high on Arkansas all year. Sam Pittman, he's got it together. Bobby Petrino is so elite, and I feel like it was never that big of news that he went back to Arkansas. And he's doing this. I think this is his first year back with them,

and he's already got them rolling. And it's like, that's Arkansas next year, I think is going to be a problem. Are they a young team, I guess? Yeah, young as far as, young in their culture because they got an athletic quarterback right now but he makes so many mistakes.

Yeah. Taylor Green? Tail and Green. Because he transferred. Shout out tailing, dude. Yeah. But so I don't think that's like a horrible loss for Tennessee and ultimately it's probably going to come down to Alabama,

Tennessee in a couple weeks, barring South Carolina somehow takes down a pissed off Alabama team next weekend. What happened with South Carolina, man? Similar to Michigan, we spot them 14 points in like three minutes. The crowd was out of it immediately. The defense played fine after those 14 points. We just gave them a short field so many times.

You can you talk about Dylan Stewart? Unloading the clip. And did you see Jackson Darts chirp back? No. No, what was it? He said how you fire 100 rounds and not hit once. Oh, my. God.

You quoted young dog. How the fuck you miss a whole hundred shots. What's up with these kids doing the gun celebrations? DMV, dog. Hey, but legit, though. There was another one where I want to say, I want to say somebody like lifted their shirt up, like they had one, like they had one strapped to him.

Like, I don't feel like that was happening. Show your age, Will. But I'm saying, you know, I'm with you. You know what I mean? I'm like a this year thing. Yeah. Because I think crazy.

One of the receivers Yeah I think it did There was a In the NFL Yeah One player did in the NFL And he got to fly

I think it was for the Packers Yeah Someone got flying Yeah No one dude was like On the sideline Personally I loved it I was watching it

And I was standing up Yeah keep fighting I saw him pull the trigger And I turned around I saw the flag And these Ole Miss fans were behind me I said that was sick though

I mean, he, Dylan Stewart did go crazy, four tackles for a loss in a sack, so he did his thing. But the offense, we have no identity, which falls on one person, and it's not a player, and it's not our head coach, and it's not our D.C. You can connect the dots on who's left. Yeah. Overall, we can know. Yeah. Another bad O.C. Because it seems like the O.C.

You guys used to have is doing it all right. They demoted him. Oh, did they really? Yeah. What do you mean? He's not the y'all's O.C. Rule calls it, right? I think y'all have another guy.

I was going to, I think Satterfield knows. Saterfield is a quarterback's coach. Yeah, but he's also like a... He's not calling plays. Oh, I think he is. I'd be willing to put some money on this one. Look it up. Actually, the way y'all played the last two weeks on offense, maybe.

No, we just dealing it, he missed a couple throws, but... He's a rookie. Look, you can't have two block puns. Hey, do you see Dylan's brother? You can't have two block puns. Hey, you see Dylan's brother? Yeah. He's committed to Nebraska.

Committed to Nebraska. Looks like Jackson Mahomes. I see all the headlines. But we got a ball. We got a little brother that's a ball. I mean, dog, he looks exactly like him. We got a little brother that's a ball player. No broken wrist stuff over here.

We got a family of athletes coming into the NFL. Bro. Nebraska might be nice for the next six years. Could be. I don't know. I see, I, that's Rayola. Yeah. I saw he threw a bomb in his high school game.

Yes, dude, that was a beautiful. Gorgeous. Lefty too. Yeah. Will, you are right, by the way. He's a tight ends coach and the OC. Yeah. And then it looks like Glenn Thomas is co-offensive coordinator.

Right, right. I do. I think it's a OC by committee type of deal. I feel like that's always a tough gig. What? The committee thing. Yeah. Whether it's coaches or players, I don't like it.

I don't like it. The only place that works is running back. Running back. Running back by committee. Yeah, this kid. What's Dylan's brother's name? Yeah. What?

Dayton. Dayton. Dylan and Dayton. Okay. Dayton and Raola. That's exciting. Jack, how are you feeling after Tennessee dropped the one against Arkansas? It's tough, man.

You know, you just have these high expectations and you don't think you're going to drop on to an unranked SEC opponent. Luckily, it's a West team. But still, you know, but still. they controlled the ball the whole game. Even though it was only 3-0 at half. And then we were up 14-3, and then I think our last five series,

we got shut out. And then I think it was the first time we saw Nico make a young quarterback error. The very last play of the game, it's fourth and eight or something. Yeah. Time expires and he runs it. It's like, who cares if you even throw it and they pick it off?

It's game over regardless. So that seemed like the first kind of, of all right, he's young and still trying to learn what these big play moments can be. So that, I think that is probably where a lot of our fan base saw like, ah, he's maybe not quite the elite quarterback that we want him to be at this moment. I still think he's an unbelievable talent and we'll continue to learn. And I'm sure he was just as upset as anybody else would have been. But yeah, it's tough.

I thought for once, because the Titans had the by week, I was like, I'm going to have have stress-free football weekend. And I have this theory. Whenever the Titans win, the Valls will lose and vice versa. When the Valls win, the Titans lose. And I forgot Titans played on that Monday night game. And what they do, they won. So I should have known that the balls were going to come back and fuck my shit up all weekend.

I didn't watch one snap of NFL football yesterday. I watched three movies in my room by myself. kind of got back to the basics and it was great you watched anything spooky yeah but not like a traditional I forget this what was the thriller that I watched

just threw on the Arkansas Tennessee game yeah that would have been the spook would just be watching the replay of that but we've got a big game coming up this weekend Florida comes to Knoxville and even though Florida is two like rivalry weeks in a row for you guys

yeah I mean Arkansas oh yeah you're saying starting this week yeah absolutely And Florida's been, you know, abysmal this year. But when it comes to rivalry, you throw everything out the window. Don't out the window. Absolutely right. And it's, yeah, and Florida, they have the opportunity to end our season before we even get to Alabama.

And I know that that would be like them getting a, like their season, that would be a full win for them. It doesn't matter if they don't win another regular season game. By ruining our season. By ruining our season. We opened up as a 20 and a half point favor last week, which scares me. I do think we can handle it. because historically the valls are so bad in the swamp but it's a different story typically when they come to Knoxville

so it's a 7 p.m. game again we have yet to have a game that's we had night games every single game this year so I don't know and we and we are a franchise that's been noon games noon games like my first two years at Tennessee I think we had one night game for the first two years I was there so it was always noon kickoff. So I'm a little nervous,

but it's always fun. Florida and Tennessee is such a fun matchup, and it's really gritty, the hard-nosed football. But if we drop that game, yeah, next week, I'll be, I'll be really sad. You want to hear my theory?

Yeah. The curse of you not buying back in with the tight, hang on, talk about, time out. That doesn't even do in college football. The trees are whispering that the curse has leaked over into college football. The Jack McPherson controls a little bit of what's happening. I think I want you to admit that you want me dead.

You want me to kill myself. I just want you to say it. I don't. I don't. And maybe this. And maybe this. We obviously don't want you to kill yourself. Yeah,

I don't want. But you said you would kill yourself and Malik Willis. And that was hilarious in the moment. And then when it came real, the chickens came home to roost, it was kind of like, hey, we like for you to not kill yourself. What do you want me to do? You should probably cut myself, like, close to death. I get like, like, brush the line.

Take it back to middle school? Oh, horizontal cuts. Yeah. If we post more clips about... Maybe we just have a quick brainstorm. Quick brainstorm of what you could do to get the jujuice. I'm just going to say if we keep posting clips about suicide, eventually people will not think it's funny. I understand that. But until then, we'll keep doing it. Jack, what's going to happen if you guys lose the Florida this week? I mean... You got to at least think about like, okay, I got to pay the God something.

Maybe. Maybe. If you, yeah, if you lose the... If you lose to Florida this week, you should shave your stash and head. I'm not going to do both. I would do the mustache. Whoa, really? What? If you lose to Florida this week, shave your head. No.

I'm not shaving my head. No, hey, we're not talking about if they lose to somebody. He's got right or wrong now. I agree. I don't want the curse to live. I hate living in this world. I truly do. Yeah.

I don't want you guys to lose. I want you guys to win this week. I want, who's Alabama play? Us. I would like for it to be one lost teams when we go to Tennessee. Maybe we tie. I'll shake my head if you die.

But Jack, all I'm saying is, I don't want, I just don't want the curse to leak in. Yeah, neither do I. I don't know how we've swapped from NFL to college. I feel like there's got to be a line in the sand. Like I was prepared for the Titans to just be horrible because of me because I had the And then they won and you're like, okay, maybe that stuff isn't real.

And then it leaked over into your actual favorite team. This goes into my theory where the Tennessee Vols and the Titans can't win on the same weekend ever. Okay. All right. So what I'm just raising the question. Just so we can put this to bed, what is it going to be? Because I'm willing to do something. I don't know if I want to shave my head if we lose.

I would shave my mustache. How about this? How about this? We'll let people leave comments on what Jack should do this week. He has to buy you a Chevy's. And maybe we take, we'll choose out of the two most liked ones. Okay. Drop the comments.

All right. And none can involve me killing myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's off the table. Like, we can put that one. Death is off the table. You're the one who said that, but we do want that one off the table. Sorry, guys.

And we lose the Florida. That will... No, no, no. I'm not... Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Give me a call if we lose Florida. Yeah. I don't know where we go from here. Where do we go from here? Yeah, should we go to the... Should we read it? Should we read an ad?

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taste. Everybody's always drinking it around the office, around the shop. The sports drink, the zero sugar, and even the flash IV after a long weekend, Jack, we can't get enough a body armor. The sport water, in my opinion, is the best sport water on the market. Head on over to your local 7-Eleven and get your body armor sport water today. Stay hydrated this weekend, Jack. Hey, JP, when you go over to his house to make sure he doesn't do anything so he doesn't harm himself bring flash ivs we'll get him right got you NFL NFL first game of the year played in London yes Vikings bro I've been on the Vikings for a few weeks now you have you have maybe you it was like the Niners game what was that week two week three

yeah but the Vikings are for real man I know and the the cool thing is obviously everyone's been talking about Sam Donald and how he's been able to throw it all over the yard but this is the week like they came out and they scored fairly quickly and went up on the jets big time but after that the offense was kind of non-existent the just really started to figure themselves out that defense is unreal and uh baldy you ever watch his clips he's always breaking down all of its long clips he showed uh the new york jets doing a basic open side inside zone play and there's a baker blitz which for those you listening baker is when a the lineback will go through the B gap you hear Baker, I believe it's axe for a gap. Yeah, they'll change up warnings. But if it starts

the B, you're thinking B. So basically what happens in that situation is the two D-Tagels will slant away from the Blitz and just watching the Jets offensive line, do a horrible job of picking that up. The left guard buries his face into the defensive tackle and doesn't get out of it. And then they just get a TFL. The Minnesota Vikings are playing on all cylinders right now. They are crushing. In that pick six? Impressive. Right? Just dropping out last second. Now, going into that too, like Flores, I think him and he's only played against Aaron once and he's only won against Aaron, but he's always got something dialed up, man. Right. And Aaron, obviously, when you're watching the TV copy, you hear the commentators or talk, hey, Aaron, he's going to be 41 in a couple of months. Like, this is kind of what he is now. He can't get away as much as possible. He rolls his ankle during the game. And so it's like, my question, my question, yeah. Battle line play, man. Battle line play is terrible. Online coach That's Keith

Still Keith Carter My Twitter's kind of I got some people Comment and we don't have to go Any further than what tail Luana said already Yeah like it's been out there

For quite a minute A minute And the players Yeah And you're missing like your best I mean I don't know The roster from top to bottom But arguably your best whole lineman

And Morgan Moses He's been out Yeah Tyrant Smith is their left tackle Aged Aged Yeah Has a history of injuries But still like a

a Hall of Fame tackle. They've got, do they just got to figure out a way to just, just block as a unit. It's always just one guy. And that one clip I talked about with Baldy, it's like, the left guard needs to know

when you're singling to that backer that runs through the B gap. Once you see the defense tackle, you need to plan off that right leg and know that something's coming. Something is coming that you're going to have to block. So it's a reaction thing. You can't be burying your face

in blocks like that. I love when you talk the line to me. did you like that yeah and I love the baldy breakdowns like the boldy breakdowns are it's where you want to close the curtains get out the lotion and just excited about inside ball because he just loves football I know and the thing too is like the play he was showing it's like the most basic it's you run that play in high school there's not motions there's not a bunch of gadgets going on around it it's truly like it literally would be called you know 14 Wanda or 15 Wanda it's a left side play it's open side you have your basic block

schemes you can only run up versus certain numbers you have the box you have the look the safeties are far away you don't have too many guys it's a count game and so center and guard are going to go that front side backer and then they had a um a two i and then uh a head up six technique on the tight end or i'm sorry a five technique and when taylor's talking two i you're talking inside shade of the guard inside shade of the tackle so in that situation the hard the hard block is for the tackle on the opposite side the right tackle because he has he's in a C block to the other backer who's not blitzing. Once he sees that

defensive end go away, he now needs to find himself into the B gap to help the guard to get up to that linebacker. So it's a reaction game. And sometimes people love speed off the ball. People love like a low pad level and all those things with offensive line. But in those type of situations,

like you need to have a reaction step and then figure out where you're going and then put some power behind it. But it's just they're bearing their face. They're bearing their face. It feels like you just grabbing the soap a little too hard, you know? Grabbing the bird a little too hard

to kill the bird. Yeah. So it's interesting. That is not the blitz. That is not the blitz you're looking for. I love how you brought scrape exchange. Yeah. Scrape exchange,

which is also a very, hey, that's a nice basic blitz to stop the run. Look at them trying to find it. Yeah. I mean, that is essentially the play. No,

it's not the play. Because that's a, that's a, that's a three, four. So it's different. But it's not that big of a deal. Anyway, long story short.

Vikings look great. Vikings look good. A bike is good and Jets start having a hard time with their blocking concepts on simple things which is tough and I don't blame the players. It doesn't look good for the judges. Dude, quick. Stefan Gilmore, he had that pick at the end of the game.

He's had an interception on Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. I mean, yeah. 34 years old. Stefan Gilmore is one of the best corners to do it. I feel like he's kind of like gone away a little bit too. Yeah, because he was like Yeah.

Panthers, Cowboys, now Vikings. Because he had the, he was a defensive player of the year for the Colts, right? For the Patriots. Right.

Then he went to the Colts from there. Yeah. Then he was the Panthers. Then it was all over the place. So he had a couple of years in hiding. And now he's, he's still showing up, showing that he's him.

I love that. Yeah. That's crazy. Could you imagine? Another contender in the NFC, the commanders, bro. Bro, you called it. They looked good, man.

When are they going to figure, when are they going to figure out Jadenials? I mean, And yeah, defense played a good game. Now, if you bring up their schedule, they haven't, like, played anybody that tough yet. So it'll be interesting. I know it is, yeah.

But all I was going to say to that is even when you're, like, you're playing these teams now, bangles arguably in the dumps, the Browns. With Burroughs throwing five touchdowns. I know. I know. And they're one in four. But I'm saying at that time where they kind of squeaked out of win at CINC and

then they go and demolish the Cardinals. They demolish the Browns. Like, they're handling. teams that are perceived to be not that good this year, they're handling their business. So even if you want to chalk it up to, hey, they kind of have a weak schedule right now, which again, it is the National Football League. Anything can happen. But, man, you've got a rookie quarterback that's dialed in like that and firing on all cylinders.

Yeah. You're kind of, the question, I guess, is like, when's he going to hit the rookie wall? Because he's having just, I mean, he's having like a career year in his first year in the league. It's crazy. It really is. Yeah. And everybody in the district right now I know is fired the fuck up. Massive game this week.

against the Ravens. The Ravens had a dicey one against the Bengals over the weekend. Joe Burrow, he did. He threw for five tutties. Well, we got to get. Or Lamar. I mean, Lamar, you saw that play at the end of the game of Lamar where he's escaping and threw that tutty? He should have lost him to the game. I know that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that fumble that he had. What plays this? Can I see that play? Which one to fumble?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were going, they were, they were going, they were in OT. And they were, I always say driving. They had the ball. They're driving and Lamar has a mistake, fumbles the ball. Bengals get it in Ravens territory. They can't really move it. They're trying to run the ball a little bit.

They miss a field goal. Bad snap. Yeah, bad snap. Miss a field goal. This one right here. Bad snap to Lamar. Lamar ends up fumbling it. Just brute.

Yeah, yeah, my fault. Bad exchange. He kind of takes his eyes of the defense right before, for whatever reason, loses focus. drops the ball. Bengals get it in enemy territory. It's like it almost seems like McPherson, like he's going to be able to knock this one in, no problem.

They have a bad center holder exchange for the, for the field goal. They miss a field goal and freaking, Derek, bus off. How long was that run? Yeah. 57 yarder, bro.

Still got it, man. Yeah. Still fucking got it. The king. Got a hundred thousand yards. 10,000 yards. 10,000 yards. 10,000 yards and 100.

touchdowns. Like I want to say he's seventh on the all-time list right now. In 125 games. Like he's, I mean, he's a legend. He's a legend. He's going to be a Hall of Fame right. He's a, he was before this season started. Yeah. Now you kind of cement it. Like when you're hitting the, when you're hitting the things like the milestones like 10,000 yards, 100 touchdowns. And he's looking the way he does with these big runs and kind of pulling away from guys. Yeah. It's, uh, it's cool to see. It's awesome to see Derek having success with the ratings. It is, man. And I just want him to just keep it going for as long as possible. Can you get 11,000. How many guys have 11,000 yards?

Probably like four or five? Only two. Two people. Four or five. Okay, four or five. Sherman is now switched up to four or five. It's just awesome to see, man. To see his success, it's, I did not think it would come this quick.

Yeah. With the Ravens. I thought they were going to have a more difficult time figuring out a way for him to. There's 21 guys. Okay. There's 21 guys 11,000 yards. Four five. Four five, four, five.

Did you see Stefan Diggs give the side eye to Josh Allen after the game? Yeah, I did. To me, I don't know. There's a part of me, too, that thinks people are really looking into it. I think they don't have, like, the greatest relationship, and they just kind of congratulated each other after the game, and somebody just got that still shot of him kind of coming out of it. Yeah. It's still fun to look at.

It's still fun to break down a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still fun to live in the world that he's, like, pissed off that he just had to dab him up. Like, oh, bitch. All right, bitch. I feel like Hey, good game.

I feel like Josh has handled it well. You see the press conferences and there's a couple things they took quotes and they kind of ran with it a little too much. Last possession. I was bouncing back

between that game was going on. You had the Colts game going on. That one was close. Josh's stat line was insanely bad. It was like nine for 30. Yikes. He got knocked out. He had knocked out and put back in the game.

Someone was telling me that earlier that he was like a little. he was stiff on the ground for a second. And they put him back in? He hit some of the smelling salts. And it was like, yeah, you get them salt out. And you know Josh, like, if they put him back in, it's not because they're like, hey, you seem good to go.

Go ahead and go back in. You know Josh is sitting there like, hey, I'm fucking fine. Right. Like, I'm going back in this. Just a Wyoming boy, dude. A kid that just all grit. Yeah. All grit.

Trying to bring farmers back to life. Fighting for the agriculture world. No doubt. Fighting for it. Yeah, that's like, that's one of those gray areas that people argue, like the team's got a saving from themselves. and you'll hear all that. But ultimately, you know Josh was like, hey, I'm fine.

I'm good to go. I'm passing all the tests. Like, get me back out in the game. Nico, that bomb, C.J. Stroud had to Nico Collins, man. CJ really has touching the ball like that. Yeah, CJ, yeah. I hated that Nico went out too with the hamstring injury. I got them on my fantasy team.

Really? Yeah. How's your fantasy team sounds like it's in a blender right now. It was. Now, I've popped out a couple wins now. I just beat the shit out of coop in our fantasy league. Nice, nice. Did we ever come up with a punishment?

No. I'm four in one. I'm willing to do whatever punishment you all want. That's the problem. Once the season gets going, the losers like myself, I'm thinking like, I thought it was dye your hair blonde. I'll dye my fucking hair blonde. I'm not going to, I know this.

I'm not going to get last. I've been trying to work the waiver wire. Hey, Loki, I feel like it would take like four guys to also do it with me just to dye my hair blonde. You've been one to die your hair for a while. I've always kind of wanted to dye your hair for a while. I've always kind of wanted to dye my hair, but never have done. it you like made like a like a brochure or a book of blonde hairstyles right that you did no miss tana no oh miss tanna probably did because i was telling her that that silver look is kind of cool but then she was telling me all

the process uh miss tanna my mother-in-law she did hair she was like a salon sala sala salaista salonista salon east so somebody who used to have their dye hair hair dyed blonde max crosbie you saw what you was saying to bow nix yeah no bro bo nex was calling something that I heard I saw that clip yeah yeah he's like you're not talking loud enough he's like speak up Bo they don't know shit and then Bo Nixon Sean Peyton had a little oh he did dye his hair not bad yeah he's way too pale to go blonde like that yeah Max's way too pale to go blonde like that I love Max I love Max love him the death when is it time for Joe Burrow to get rid of the he's bawling though he's he's kind of he's playing on his hair he's got his hair he's got

He said he's balding. I was like, oh shit, for real? He's got, yeah, but he kind of, he's kind of cut it up. It's not like he's all blonde. He's kind of trimmed it like we got the in sync Justin Timberlake look up right now. I used to rock that look back in middle school, the blonde tips up top. Yeah, Froston tips up top. Oh, yeah.

I had that in elementary school. My mom always had me with the Caesar cut and the frost tips at the front. Yeah, get out the spread around on the whole hair. You put the little thing on, then you pull your hair through. Yeah, yeah. No shit. About 30, 45 minutes. Then I would wish that was real.

if corner rose like I'd never be able to pull that off what you're talking about yes you could no probably you did it yeah that looks insane I used to rock the cornrows on like 2K when I created a player for real yeah you never like did a trip with your family

to Mexico and like we're on the beach and got it done real quick no no no our family never went to Mexico we do our our vacations we were at the Bonteur pond yeah I ain't going on my first vacation until I was like an adult For real? Yeah.

Yeah, we were never able to do family vacations. Man. Shout out the grind of the family. Yeah. Or it'd be like, you know, baseball tournaments on the weekends type of thing. That would kind of be the fun. You try to get the hotel people to leave the pool open a little bit later as a young buck. We'd be throwing in all the chairs and stuff, let it sink at the bottom.

For real? Yeah. We won state one year and they left it open for us all night long. You won state? In baseball, yeah. Oh, in baseball? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never won in football?

Well, no, it's just a RJFL is just our little community league. You have six games a year. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah. We hoisted the trophy a couple times. Heisman winner. No shit. Oh, you really were him.

I mean, yeah, I was nice as a young cat. I mean, in football. I can't imagine. Oh, yeah, because you didn't play football until high school, right? I played one year in third grade. I was a corner. Lockdown. Louis Island.

I know. I was a kid. I was a kid. In third grade, bro, that's what you know you just weren't very good. No, just put him at corner out there. Yeah, I was literally just fast. I would be the kid that like everyone was thinking it real serious, but I was like picking the grass on the ground,

like sitting crisscross applesauze as a place going on. My dad would be like, yo, Taylor, go. You want to know why you're at corner? Yeah. That next year I played quarterback. You were nice? I quit before the season started. We did a tackling drill.

We have to run straight and then they have like, take it's an angle drill. Yeah. And then kids were getting tackled. And I was like, fuck this. That looks terrible. I got too scared. I was so scared of contact. Yeah, the angle tackle drill.

Terrified, dude. Even baseball, same thing. Like, anytime my pitch came, you, like, remotely close. Step outside the box. This is random, but I love those videos of youth football practice, when the moms tackle their kids. Dude, I saw that the Oklahoma drill with that kid. There's a couple where kids are laying their moms out and vice versa.

Vice versa. You can tell the moms that have a bad kid. They're like, they line it up, drop. I wish my mom would have tried that shit, dude. I would have buried her. Clearly. Not, probably not. Just talking about being a pussy for five minutes and be like, yeah.

So I saw the clip where the kid beat his mom and he just started grittying. No shit. You got a lot. Yeah. No. Oh. He busted his ass. We knew it was going to happen before that one even started. That's just the area you just don't get anymore, man.

That's the bowl in the ring era right there. Oh, yeah, dude. Amasculating. These moms are barely even moving intact. So this drill right here, they line this drill up and just, I would get to go against the kids who they wanted to quit. Yeah, I can't imagine. Maybe Will's team, you separate a defense over here,

office over here, and kids are doing that. One, two, three, Will's right there. Hey, man, you go ahead. Yeah. You go ahead. Everybody try not to match up with you. My coach would be like, all right, wheels up. And then he pointed somebody like, Coop and be like, Coop, you're up.

Maybe I try to get him to quit. They would say that to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was so brainwashed. Like, I had the little sea on my chest as a young buck. And if you had the sea on your chest, you were allowed to just take off at any moment. Hang on, on a kid, if they're just walking back the line. Like, I would just get to go and sprint and just level the kid without him looking.

Yeah. Our football team did that in high school. Really? Yes. Like, our best player would just lay people out that were walking. It was like, they did not deserve that. Yeah. It's crazy.

Isn't that nuts? I've never even heard of that. Yeah. That is the most wild shit. I could take off at any moment, just go lay somebody out. How often did you do it all the time? I would do it as much as possible. Yeah.

Anytime you saw somebody. Now, if you started running and they saw you coming, they started running, would you stop? No. I mean, I would keep going. Until the job's done. Till the job's done. Will is a fucking menace of authority. Yeah.

Drunk with power, dude. I would have hated you. Yeah. I would have hated you. I mean, imagine bull in the ring. Just you'd have somebody standing in the middle, and people get pointed out. Did you ever get caught in, like, in the Oklahoma drill where they're like, hey, will, and then somebody got you? Not really, no.

I mean, I was big. What about in Nebraska? What about Nebraska? Like those, you probably had like a Nebraska drill, which was the same thing as Oklahoma. Yeah, I mean, I think I lost to a fullback in like an Oklahoma drill like that to where you're on the board. But nothing like that. That is, to me, the dumbest drill to have a board in between both of your feet. Yeah.

We used to do that in like three-point stances with the defensive lineman. and it would be like, I'd be in a defensive line stance. And just like, this is doing nothing. But you got to win. Yeah, you have to win. The adrenaline, nerves and everything that you have when you're just in front of the entire team going one-on-one. Bro, something like that?

My freshman year of college, there was a walk-on guy, Eric Gunderson, he was 340 pounds when I was 250. He were both freshmen. They did the board drill. And he and I went, and he just walked me back. And they were like, again. Because it was like one of those things where they were probably trying to get me to do well so this kid would quit type of thing And they made me do three times on the third time his helmet came off and I swung on him

I I swung dude I hit him like right here like kind of hit his nose and his cheek and he gets hit And slowly just looks back at me I'm like oh my god this gets gonna fucking kill me Later I like go up to apologize to him and I'm like hey you get one freebie on me before we like like this is all done between us. So my senior year, we are literally roommates in our house. And it's like, I think right before the season started

and there's like, we're having a party at the house. I know what your boy was kind of on back then, right? So I like, see Gunnison, he's got like a bunch of, you know, and we were joking about like,

as we like became seniors, I was like, hey brother, you only have a couple more months. And I was like, you know, I could have left my junior year. I thought I was a man around here.

And I'm like, Gundy, you can, anytime you want that you get a free one you get a free one so that night at the house you know i'm doing my extracurriculars and i'm like gondy it's time it's time he fucking smokes me bro it hurts so bad but i luckily luckily he didn't sleep me luckily but it hurts so bad four years four years and he like we like obviously made up we were boys all that stuff what a roller coaster you know what else is a roller coaster dude tell me what's a roller coaster the NFL season the

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connor texted uh is he getting close he lands in eight minutes he's about to land lands in eight minutes for those of you who are going to be in oregon this weekend the boys will be ohio state at organ do we know where we're going to be g i'm so excited for this we're going to be at rennie's landing in Oregon. In Oregon. Apparently it's going to be popping. We're going to be there at 12 p.m. On Saturday.

On Saturday. Ready for this night game. I mean, it is going to be maybe the biggest game they've hosted. It's two verse three. Two versus three. This is a massive one. Big Ten. Implications on the line.

Like this could be like the who's who of the big ten. Let's go ducks. Yeah. Oh yeah. Let's go Doug. Ryan landing. Right on. It's going to be what.

Oh, age. Also, we will be getting there Friday. We will begin their Friday. If you could tell us. please what haunted house we should go to near Eugene. The boys are going to go to a haunted house keeping this spooktober vibes alive. It's going to be incredible. The spooktober, I feel like we've gotten off to an incredible start.

It's the best start in bustling with the boys history. Yeah. And for those who are wanting to embrace the spook, we do have merch. Spooktober merch. This is my favorite shirt. Spooky season. Got the orange. You got the, you got the, you know, the thing that Taylor's wearing.

If you're watching right out, the Spooktober dead sweater. The brain is the hamster. there. The hamster died on the wheel. Yeah. We got that, dude, we need to make hats like this too. Yeah. Just saying. Tried. We tried making hats. They wouldn't let us make hats. What? Yeah. But if people can embrace a spook and call for hats and know what we want.

We can do whatever we want. Yeah. Drop a hat in the chat. Everyone has a master. Everyone has a master. Yeah. No, but it's been awesome. We went to a pumpkin patch. We went to Gentry's farm. No, for a free shout-out is a gentry's farm. Which, by the way, like, crazy time to do that with how hot it was this. I know. The thought process was ultimately we're going to be gone the next couple weeks because we got Oregon and then we're going to the Tennessee game so we would have been waiting until the end of the month to do it so we just went ahead and made the call I mean Charles made the call she's pregnant I'm kind of like lean on her hey if you want to go do this because I told her I'm like it's

still fucking hot yeah thank God it is not anymore the weather has finally bent to our will and it feels like spooked over but yeah you're right like it was mid 80s miserable sweaty but it was fun we had a great time there's a lot of shade rude played on all the playground stuff We went on a little hayride. We bought pumpkins. Our stairs now outside. Our porch is just decorated with pumpkins. Like the Compton family, you'd be proud of your boy.

I love that. The whole family is embracing the spook. I love. That fires me up. Yeah. It's great. Just literally JP showed me right outside his door. One solo pumpkin.

That's all you need. It is all you need. Just something that reminds you like, oh, these people are appreciating the holiday season. Yeah. It doesn't have to be crazy. My house is ridiculous. It makes no sense why we have that many decorations.

You could charge for tickets at your house. I know. You dropped me off on Thursday. You said the same thing. I'm looking at all the pumpkins going up in the trees and everything else. The scenes that are laid out with all the skeletons. I'm like, you need to charge tickets in this place. I know.

This is my one goal is to, when my kids describe me, when I'm gone, is that their dad took holidays way too serious. Yeah. And that should be on your gravestone. Took holidays way too serious. Love spooked over. Love spooked over. Especially spooked over.

But yeah, man. Also, do you want to tell about the fan call in for a locker room? Yeah. We'd love to talk about the fan call in. We have a special guest parlay call in this week. Amanda Vance, that's the blonde that's what? No, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda's not walking bed. This is Mason Rudolph, we DM'd her during the game.

Apparently found a way to DM her. Maybe, I think so. How wild would that be? Just a halftime DM. Her bio is number one handicapper in the game. You love her Instagram. Go check her out, but she's going to be doing the fan calling this week for the locker room. If you want to submit and have a chance,

an opportunity to be featured on the locker room. You take a video. You build your favorite parlay. Again, we've had some good callings. You build your favorite parlay, and you submit your video to info at bus and wtb.com. But we have a special calling this week. Beautiful.

Absolutely beautiful. I can't wait for this weekend, dude. I know. It's going to be amazing. We got a big guest we're doing on Thursday in Chicago. Then after that, right to Oregon. Next week, two boys, two Nashville boys are getting after. at Alabama versus Tennessee.

It's going to be a great time. And Jelly Roll's album drops. Yes, Friday. Yeah. Let's give a round of applause for Jelly Roll, huh? The boy, the homie. His biggest one yet. I think I saw him tweet.

It's the most music he's ever put out. That's awesome. And he's been on a bunch of features that he's just been killing it over and over and over again. Everywhere you go, everywhere you turn, when you turn the TV, you're usually seeing Jelly Roll's face. He is taking this moment and he's making the most out of it. Could be more happy for Jelly Roll.

He had a, yeah, he had a picture with your boy. too who's that Travis Barker yeah I thought Pastrana for a second but that didn't that didn't hit yeah they were doing backflips together no shit dude jelly rolls in with all your

I know he's with MGK Travis Barker now like them in that photo MGK Travis Barker and jelly that's crazy he didn't face it I mean that yeah he should have FaceTime me for that because that is that's the music I love right there yeah all in one photo I am all about everything there

by the way Travis Barker's skin routine I'm like the kids. Ageless. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. Incredible. Attos.

All right, boy. Oh, whoa, whoa. Our Halloween, our Halloween episode. Right. Leave. We're trying to figure out what we're going to be wearing on the show for the Halloween episode. We would love to give you guys the power to tell us in the comments what you would like

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Game time. All right. Are we rolling? rolling. okay yeah yeah he gets a drill he knows a drill get it close to the mouth don't be scared yep um touch the lips a little bit we were talking connor stanes let's give a round a plus connor talents on the bus michigan man um we were talking before about a little football a little everything but let me give you my thought of who you are okay and we can we can go from there because i want to

get in your michigan fandom to start yeah every major program has a top 5% of fans that are true psychos when it comes to their program. Ohio State has it. Michigan has it, Alabama, Georgia, all these Nebraska. All of them have these crazy fans that live and die with their program. You are one of the 5% that actually made a difference in their program besides cheering on Saturdays. Is that a fair way to put you? I mean, I guess, yeah.

You take a lot of pride in that? I guess. I just love Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that wasn't me saying crazy as like a shot or anything like that. It's just like all these big programs have these guys that like love, love Michigan, love Nebraska, like love all those things. And every one of those fans think to themselves, how can I help the school become better?

Right. And you literally had the traits and the abilities with your military background and your ability to break down all of these things that you watch and your doctor. documentary that you truly were able to help a team. Yeah. That's got to feel amazing. I mean, I don't remember exactly what game it was, but I remember the first time walking into the big house through Section 14,

that season tickets, row, row 83, seat 26 and 27, walking in, probably three, four years old. Just kind of told myself, like, yeah, I'll be down there one day. No way. And just kind of figured out your own way. I did with that end state mine. I'm so excited that you're on because again, like I, we got to play. We got to play at our schools and there comes a time for everybody where you have to retire, whether it's in middle school, high school, college, NFL, whoever, if you get to play a long time,

that's awesome. But you understanding and figuring out like, okay, I wasn't able to make it at this D1 level, how can I carve out my own path a different route? And I feel like you're somebody who's been able to accomplish that. Yep. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I mean, that's why, you know, everyone goes to the nail, okay, I mean to serve their country, but everyone, you know, everyone has a different reason. And I just kind of, well, every major successful head coach, legendary head coach, you're talking like Bud Wilkinson and Oklahoma, Osborne, John Wooden, Greg Popovich, Coach Kay, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembeckler, all had one thing in the kind of. serving in the military for four to five years at least so okay they got to be on to something right right

so and this is going through your brain oh yeah this is uh early high school okay i mean i always knew i wanted to coach at michigan and then when it came time to you know okay what exactly is the route you know i applied to me i applied to two schools michigan and the naval academy got accepted the michigan got weight listed at the Naval Academy. So in my mind, like, okay, whatever, going to Michigan. And then got the call in, it was actually about two weeks before last day of school, senior year. I get a call, Annapolis, Maryland. I'm in the middle of class.

Well, I better answer this one. So I answer it and say, whoever it is at admissions in the Naval Academy, do you have a minute? I'm in the middle of class. So I'm like, let me call you back. So I call him back. and they said, oh, you've been accepted. So they actually, they said, but we need a response right now because we got to let the people behind you know. So in my mind, I just went back to all those coaches and I'm like, well, I guess I got to do it.

And so I said, all right, yep, I'm in. And then I call my parents. And they work at the, they teach at the middle school right down the road. So they're, oh, come over. Let's talk about it. So I get there and they're like, so what are you thinking? I'm like, oh, I already told him, yeah. No shit.

And then just went from there. And when did you decide you wanted to be like a head coach was like your, your hat? Oh, three years old. You didn't even care to play. You're like, I want to be a head football coach. I played. I played. But like I always.

So senior year, my dad's the eighth grade. It was the eighth grade football coach. His record against our rivals was like 21.0. in his career. And, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I'm still waiting for them to build the statue at Scripps Middle School. So my senior year, I didn't play. I just played, I always played basketball.

And then I helped coach eighth grade football with him, kind of like his de facto defensive coordinator. Yeah. And, you know, just kind of went from there. And that was my first actual experience, like truly coaching. and then student coach at the Naval Academy. Yeah. What was the action?

Sorry, so go ahead. I was just to say, in the documentary, you kind of, you say you go into the coach's office and you're like, hey, I want to do this.

And you're like, all right, cool, go down the, you're in. Was it that simple as far as being having a student coach? So I got my foot in the door doing,

just video, you know, like the whole, you know, filming practice and all that, games. And so that was freshman year. And then spring going into

sophomore. year. I mean, I was always at the football facilities. And the director of football apps just asked, you know, hey, you're here all the time. You want to come upstairs and help out. So for about a week or two, I was helping out with operations. And then, I mean, I was like 18 at the time, didn't know any better. I just walked right into the head coach's office. Hey, Coach Neumada. He goes, hey, Connor. I didn't even knew he knew my name. And he's awesome. one of the best people I've ever met. And I go, hey, coach, can I student coach?

And he stands up, he thinks about it. And he goes, up, follow me. Brings me right into Coach Jasper, the offensive coordinator's office and says, hey, coach, here's your new student coach. I go, oh, thanks. And that's it. And then just ran with it from there. Yeah, ran it.

Any responsibility I had just treated it in my mind like, I'm the head coach at Michigan. Right. Like it's like a psychological thing where, you know, it's vision. Like you, when you visualize you are what you're trying to be, then you convince your brain that you are. Right. And then all your habits are like that. So everything I did, it would. I mean, the first thing I did at Michigan, you know, kind of skipping ahead here. But the first thing, the first assignment I had in Michigan was doing a wind report. Special teams. Every stadium. Yeah. Every stadium we play in, we need a wind report. Yeah. Got. I said, okay, do you have like a template of one? I said, I don't know. I don't know where we would. I've seen one before, but, you know, just kind of, you know, start it. And then I'll kind of redirect you if it's, you know, not what we're thinking.

So, all right. So I just became like a weatherman for a month. You're thinking about five days. Probably about five days. And I give him this like 18 page packet. And it had like every kickoff where it landed and what the wind was that day. in every stadium they played in that year and I think they were like

what the heck is this? No, you're thinking about it. They're probably like, what do we got here? He's like, I'm going to be the best goddamn weatherman they've ever seen. Ever seen. And then it was the next task,

whatever it was, you know, just I'm going to be the best at whatever it is. There's the epitome of giving 110% at all times. Yeah, absolutely. When did it start to, like you're at the Naval Academy,

when did you start to, like, how did you create your first opportunity outside of the Naval Academy. So sophomore year, spring break, I go to, I go back home to Michigan, and Coach Harbaugh just got the job, and they're doing this coach's clinic. And Coach Partridge at the time was the recruiting coordinator, so he ran the clinic. And I went with some of my high school coaches and my dad.

I think like Mike Martz or someone big was speaking, so all eyes around him. Mike Martin? Mike Martz. He was like a head coach for the Rams Super Bowl winner. Gotcha. Yeah. So he was speaking. All eyes are on him.

But I'm just trying to get my foot in the door. So I go down and talk to Coach Partridge and basically it was like, you know, hey, I'm here for a week. This was like Friday night or Saturday morning. Spring break just started. So you get the next nine days or whatever. And so I go and introduce myself and tell him, hey, I'm here on spring break. I'm here for the week. I'd love to help out.

You know, I told him that name dropped a couple of people that I knew he knew at Navy, he had a student coach with them. And, you know, he probably thought, one, why the heck were you in Ann Arbor on spring break? Yeah. And then two, you know, military, naval academy, student coaching. Okay, yeah, we'll find something for you to do. And yeah, I just ran with it from there. And the wind report was that offseason.

That was like the first, in my mind, big project I had or whatever. Is there, was there something to leaving after your sophomore year? You know what I mean? Because you're obviously taking a, you're taking a chance going and diving into this next opportunity with Michigan. Well, I was doing both. So I was a student at Navy. I did my four years at the Naval Academy.

And then my fifth year, I was a temporary assigned duty. It's like a grad assistant with the football team because they don't have a post-grad school, right? So I student coach. So I wasn't at every single Michigan game during my four years at Navy because I was at every Navy game. Okay. Like we had a bye week or spring break or in the summer and I had time to go home or whatever. That's when I would help out.

And then when I got, so I graduated in 17, go to, you know, so now I'm a Marine Corps officer, do maybe five or six months as like a GA with the Navy football team. And then I go do my Marine Corps training and then get stationed in California. At that point when I'm no longer with Navy football, that's when I was then flying back and forth. helping out Michigan. Then I was at like pretty much every game. So that started in like 2018. And you were helping the coaching staff during that time as well.

So it started when I was at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina for a few months training and then stationed in California. So, you know, they kind of touched on it in the documentary. I would, when I was in California, I would live. Well, I started, I started sleeping on my couch. And I rented out all the rooms in my house to make money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, save money to fly back and forth and all that.

And then I realized, well, I live like 55 minutes north of Camp Pendleton. So why am I driving back and forth just to sleep on my couch? I'm just going to sleep in my car. So I slept at the I-5 South rest stop right outside Camp Pendleton every day for like two years. No shit. Yep. Every day for two years. Save two hours.

Like an hour driving north and hour driving south. That's gas. That's everything. You're saving money. You're saving time. So that's two more hours of watching film. Dude, I love it. It's like, yeah, it makes sense.

But at the same time, very, very few people are willing to sacrifice. Right. And it's also like people like, oh, he was such a big fan of Michigan. Like anybody who like wants to be successful, like these are the kind of sacrifices you should make in the beginning of the game. Yeah. To get these things going. Yeah. So you're flying.

you're flying back and forth. So I'm flying back and forth. So yeah. Say I get back from Ann Arbor, wherever we're playing. And so yeah, Sunday night, get back, L.A.X, drive down, pick up my laundry, which I put in over the weekend. And then drive down, stay at the rest stop, wake up, you know, 5 a.m., whatever, workout on base. Work ends. I'm watching film.

Go to the rest stop, sleep. do the same thing for you know four days and then friday after work drive up to my house in orange county do my laundry drive up to lax fly to take the red eyes there's always a so 2020 2019 and 2021 because co-vett you know i couldn't go to games so 2019 and 2021 every single game was off no sleep no shit yeah took the red eye land wherever we are it's like sometimes you know we'd be playing like Illinois. So I'd have to fly into Indianapolis, rent a car, drive over to Illinois, drive back. And then I would hit the Kansas City Chiefs game on my way back because my boy Frank was his first year of Chiefs. And so Frank Clark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my, so at 2019, we lost Alabama in the Citrus Bowl.

and the season ends. And I'm already kind of going to Chiefs games whenever it's convenient. I'm out on my flight back. And so Michigan football is done now for the season. And so I'm thinking like, well, what do I do with myself? Right, outside the Marine Court, what do I do? So I just started breaking down phone for prank.

And... Interesting. Yeah. 2019. You got the... Right before... Sheram, you got the clip... There was two teams that playing the AFC championship that is.

Sherim, you got the clip pulled up? There were two teams. that played in the UFC championship that year. And Frank, first off, that's, we're doing good so far. He, he texts me, he's like, have this clip ready because I got a fun story with Taylor for this. That's the fun story that was in the name.

You're like, you're like Frank Clark. Hold on, go back, go back. Let's break this. If we're going to do this, let's break down. Now I want to point out, can he say what his stuff? No, no, no, no, you got this. You got this. Okay.

I want to point out that Frank told me at the beginning of the game, I'm going to get a sack on you. now it's the fourth quarter a minute 28 seconds left. And he has not had one. We're down by 11. He has not had a sack. I don't think he's even had a pressure.

So maybe your scouting port wasn't that great. But we'll get into this anyway. Hits me with the half spin. We see it. We handle it. Now I want you to pause it. No, no, no. Keep going.

Now. Okay. That is nine yards from the line of scrimmage. We got to step up. We got to step up. We got to step up, right? Right. voice we're going to step up in the pocket now chris jones can't step up so go ahead what was your

scouting report no so so you start breaking down film i want to hear the break yeah yeah you're gonna film and it was not as detailed for on you as it was the next game in the super bowl um but like for example here here is it was very you know i only i took one day right i'm still a marine It took one day. Is that Scatine and Port on the Titans? Or is that... That one's on the Titans. The next one, slide right, that is the Super Bowl.

That was way more detailed. And that was like, that was really dialed for that one. I just watched film, you know, I got the, what's the NFL game pass, right? Yeah, yeah, the premium. All 22, yeah. Which, I love the snap. No, this is your, this is your work. That's what I ought to do for Frank.

Yeah. I love it. So, so, and that's how I. met Frank's agent. When Tannhill kills or audibles, if he's under center, 13 runs to one pass. If he's in gun, kills or audibles, seven pass to one run. Yeah. Could Connor send that to us so we can pull it up on the screen?

Yeah. Text that to me, Connor. That is wild. So you're doing this. The Super Bowl one. So I didn't get into details on your hand placement or foot placement or anything like that but for the Super Bowl I did and so I'm up in the nosebleeds um at the Super Bowl and I every single play I'm calling run pass to myself they're just oh they're about the wrong oh they're about the

past and you're from section you know 552 or whatever it those bleeds yeah and you were what was your percentage of getting it right oh in the Super Bowl every play yeah you could you could you could tell off their hand placement I mean did you did you see yeah let me let me uh look at this one Who'd they play in that Super Bowl? Sam Fran. San Fran. So it was Joe Staley and Michael Glinchie. And you can zoom in on that one.

It was 100% get tells. It was 100% tells. Foot out, 90% pass. Foot in when 100% run. Michael Glinchy, three point stance, 14 to 16 run. Foot in, 5 out of five run. Foot out. All right, pass.

50% pass. three-point stance. It's, dude, this is terrifying. It's amazing. This is hand-together, two-out-three pass. No way. What was you? Pull up Frank Frank Clark's stat line.

So let me say this before, I mean, I already know this. The only person in the history of football to have the game-winning or game-sealing sack in every single playoff game from divisional round to Super Bowl is Frank Clark. Yeah, this is incredible. Even if it's a coverage sack into the... That was a filthy machine.

He's got the clutch gene. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's why he got paid. He's a dude. Joe Staley, when he's in a three-point stance, five out of six will run. If his hands are apart, 15 out of 16 were a run.

Hands together, it was pass. I mean, that's... Yeah, those are... Those are details where everybody kind of finds our edge within the game. Obviously, if you're a genetic specimen and go with it, it makes it that much more difficult. No doubt. Okay. So 2019, where is the Michigan manifesto at this point? Okay.

Is it alive? Yep. Yeah. Got to hear about the manifest. It's alive and well. So take me through. Even last year when everything was happening, I was like, hey, there's a manifesto. Like, even if he's gone, it doesn't matter.

I'm sure he knows exactly who talks shit about him the entire time. I know 100%. Yeah, I know. He's got a manifesto on on people that have talked shit. Yes. No, I know exactly how that leaked. I know exactly who leaked it. I'm not going to say who.

But when I saw and here's how I know because the article said something about 600 page Michigan Manifesto. 600 pages. That was in like 2018, 2019. How big is this thing now? It's got to be thousands by now. Do you have it in like a hard, hard copy? No. So that's the thing.

Like an Old Testament book. So I have the original. like how it started. So this is what happened. So okay, go to the Naval Academy and, you know, I always go back to those legendary head coaches, right? They all have that one thing in common, military, right? So my freshman year, I'm like, wow, I'm, you know, this is, I'm going to learn a lot, a lot. And I need to have a place to organize everything I learn. I can't let one little thing slipped by. And, you know, a lot of people when they take notes, they take notes, whatever, and then it just, they just stack notes. And how do you know where to reference? You know,

oh, I remember that one thing I read in that book. What was that book? It was about, you know, it was about hiring and firing personnel. What book was it? And then you go through all your notes and it takes you, you know, two weeks before you find the quote or whatever it was that, that you that you're trying to think of, right? So I used the military, the way that the military organizes everything as like my foundation for how I'm going to organize my notes. And it started off as a binder. And then that got too big. And then I needed something electronically.

So it went to a Microsoft Word document. And then I realized, well, I need to be able to capture. any thought or any idea at any time. I can only do a word document if I have my specific laptop. So then it translated to a Google Doc. So now I can do it from my phone from anywhere. I can do it from right now. You give me a great quote.

Pull up my phone. Type it in. It's in the manifesto. I know exactly where it is. So any you have, you could right now mention any thought, any concept of anything, all the way from leadership to the X's and O's of the game

to, you know, equipment, anything. And I'll be able to put a quote or pull something. If you had like, hey, what are your thoughts on, you know, firing personnel? Well, I have probably 15 to 20 pages of notes on that. And I know exactly where it is. And it's super organized. It's just notes.

Yeah. It's notes, but it goes into a Google Doc. And then later in the documentary, you talk about signs and all that. when did the manifesto evolve into seeing these signs and being able to break down? You're talking about just deciphering signals in a game. Right. Is a manifesto a part of that? Or are these two separate?

That was just my, that was my first major task at Navy. So your first major task was what was which? At the Naval Academy. Okay. So, you know, I'm student coaching now and we're a week from game day. And I'm like,

wait, what do I do on game day? Right. And this applies to me at Michigan, too, and I started helping out. So like really in 2019 and 2021, there's no job description for me because I'm not an employee, right? I'm just volunteer. I'm a volunteer student coach at Navy.

And then I was a volunteer assistant in Michigan. So there's no job description. Why would you have a job description for a role that you don't even have? And then, you know, I just kind of get my foot in the door and work my way in. So at both places, it started at Navy. I just say, hey. So what do I do on game day? And I forget who it was, but one of the coaches said, well, I don't know.

Let me look into it. But I remember last year we had a guy he just graduated who tried deciphering signals, you know, opponent signals in game. And I knew nothing about it. You know, I never did that in high school. I don't know. Okay. So I went in with a blank sheet of paper, a clipboard, and a pen.

And our first game was Ohio State. and just started you know that that was the birth i thought they talked about in the documentary one of my favorite quotes the yeah i said well i got to be i am one of the dumber people at the naval academy i mean i was like the last person get accepted pretty much right uh and i stro i mean it's very very difficult very difficult um but i'm like well these are 18 19 20 year old kids in columbus like i got to be able to if they if they if they if they if they if they're you they if they know their signals, I can figure out their signals. So it's a personal challenge.

Oh, it was like a, yeah. And it's Ohio State. So, right. How long, how long in that game did you start to figure out? Three drives. Yeah. Okay. Can you break that down for me a little bit? I mean, I don't remember, you know, I don't remember exactly. Right. You know, the play. I, I think they ran power a lot. Yeah. It doesn't seem like you have a very good memory. Yeah. It's been a lot of games since then. But, uh, I just remember, you know, it was both sides of the ball, whatever I could get, and I just remember getting their offensive signals pretty early and just not knowing what to do with the information.

So I would just yell it out. And because there wasn't like a structure. No one knew who I was. Right. I'm two weeks into being a student coach. Like they're not, they don't know who I am. Right. The OC knew who I was, but he's up in the booth.

and like the director of football ops knew who I was. That was pretty much it. And the players. Right. But so I'm just yelling like, power left, power left. You know, like, who's this?

It'd be power left. And the next play, you know, whatever it was. It's, you know, you just got to have a knack for it, but it's not rocket science. It's just signals. But still, you're in such a spot to where,

again, you don't have like a job title. You don't have a description. Like, such a militant law of attraction success like I'm going to provide as much values I possibly fucking can so that way they can't ignore me yes and then you when's the when's the when's the point to where it starts to turn to where you're now becoming a valuable asset that they're leaning on um just in just in your own role you know what I mean it's like okay you're doing the weather then you're getting whatever the next thing is to where it's like either one either one

Did they even recognize you for like, hey, this guy's really picking up signals he's understanding. This really gives us an edge. Well, yeah, because they had a guy the year before. Right. Yeah, it's, it's, you know what I say this too. Like, even at Michigan, this last year before I was suspended, signals was like 10 to 15% of my job. You know what I mean? Like it's, that's just one responsibility that I did.

you're still, you know, breaking down film, getting formation tendencies, you know, stuff like, stuff like that. Right. That you did for Frank. Yeah. And I mean, there's a, I'm going to skip ahead right now. It's on my mind. The best team to ever protect their signals was East Carolina last year, first game. And they, I'm not going to get into details on exactly what they did to protect.

because I don't want to out them right now. They're probably still using it because it's pretty legit. But it took me two and a half quarters to figure out which signal there was live. That's the longest it's ever taken me. Really? Yep. And it was week one. So it's brand new signals.

Right. So I pretty much go in with the blank sheet paper. And I had a good idea of how to tell who was live, but they like flipped it from the year before. And I also did one of the formation. breakdowns for our defense. So I knew, for example, every time it's two by two, four removed, so no tight end in the core. And their only run out of that formation was quarterback draw. And I'm fast forward in like the fourth quarter right now. We're up 30 to nothing. And I'm watching there. I now know who's live. And I see him signal the two by two formation. And then I see one

signal. It was like alpha with his hand. And usually, I mean, you guys understand play calls, right? Like so. Word association. So if there's a formation and then one word, chances are it's not a pass, right? Because you have a pass protection and then the concept. Yeah. Right. It's like if a huddle breaks really quickly, you're like, okay, it's probably going to be a run here. But if the quarterback's in there looking around everywhere else, you're like, all right. He's tagging receivers and all that. And then also a lot of runs still have some tags to it, right? So only one word, I'm thinking draw our screen. So, and then this all goes on, this goes on in my head in like a second, right?

So I see the two by two like doubles formation, whatever you want to call it. And then I see one signal. I'm thinking, well, that's got to be draw our screen, I would think. It was second and, I think it was like second in five. And it was two minute. But in my mind, I'm like, this isn't really a draw situation. But then I also remembered 2019 Penn State, same signal was their quarterback draw. And that's the only time I've ever seen that signal.

And I remember the breakdown I did, quarterback draw out of that formation. So I think you can see it because Coach Minter was the interim head coach that game. And they happened to be showing him. And I'm like behind him. I'm like, I think this is draw. And so we're yelling draw, draw, draw, which is one of the worst. feelings when you say I think it's something and then everyone's done. I'm like, oh, God, this better be a draw. Yeah, you better hit. Yeah. And it was a draw, but I mean, they still converted

to first down. But it's just like that's how many things have to go into it, right? Like, it's not just like look at the signal. It's not this like black and white thing. A lot of times I'm kind of, yeah, I think this is what it is. And, and, you know, so kind of how it works on game day is, is in my mind I have a threshold where if I am not 95% certain I'm not saying a word and I got to take a step back for this all to make sense

so in college football we're going to get into some some really good details here let's go I'm so excited so so college football the culture has always been to go uptempo ever since the mid-2000s, right?

You don't see many teams that huddle. NFL, the culture is obviously to huddle. And I'm going to kind of mix last year to present day now because of the whole new quarterback comms rule and everyone assumes that, oh, signaling is over. Signaling is picked up now. And to understand that, you have to understand the history of signals, you know, just how it works.

And the reason signals exist is because of uptempo. It's not because there's no quarterback comms. It's because offenses like to go up tempo, right? I have not watched, disclaimer, I have not watched Ole Miss and Tennessee all that much this year. But I would assume they're still going up tempo. I don't see a world in which all these teams that are like snapping the ball with 30 seconds up in the play clock are huddling, all because they have coached the quarterback comms now. now. Right. So they're going up tempo, which forces the defense to signal, right? You can't

huddle as a defense if the offense is spread out. Right. They'll just snap it and throw it over your head if you're in a huddle. So signaling will always exist as much as offensive coordinators want it to exist. And signal stealing has been more prevalent with offenses, stealing defensive signals. So going back to 2018, 2019 with Michigan, our defense was getting our signal stolen left and right. Teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, and so on. Pretty much the whole, the whole big tent, probably Nebraska. Yeah.

Probably. Well, I mean, yeah, you're not, you're not wrong because it's everyone. Simplicity. Except like Iowa and Michigan State. Everyone else is stealing. Michigan State wasn't stealing. I don't think so because they were the worst of protecting. Yeah.

I was just going to say for simplicity. But you'd just say that about Michigan State. You're saying that the worst of protecting. If you are bad at protecting, you're probably not stealing, right? Like if you... If you're good at stealing, you know what it takes to protect. So the teams that were really good at protecting, well, you can also look, they got a guy just like me, right? They just...

They didn't... The media didn't go crazy about their guys, right? But everyone has a guy. Everyone has a Connor. Yeah. Some teams have multiple Conners. Oh, a lot. We'll definitely get into that.

Let's keep breaking this stuff. That is obviously a huge thing we want to talk about. So we're getting our signal stolen left and right. And that's because of the tempo you guys are facing and just simply. Because, you know, and just football in general, right, like whether it's covering up issues as a play caller or personnel issues, whatever it is, you can always utilize and manipulate tempo to give you an advantage, right, to regain that advantage. right and a lot of times, especially in a world where everyone's signaling, you can even force the defense to signal before you signal. Maybe not force, right?

Because at the end of the day, if you know what's going on, it's just a cat-mouse game, you just wait until they signal and just call them on on their bluff. And just to your defense too, like if being a defender, if an offense is tempoing you, the coordinator will kind of tell you before the game, hey, if they start tempoing us, there will only be like two or three calls that they go to. Correct. So you're almost understanding the tendency before it happens. But also, you know, they can tempo and then hard count.

Right. So just to get whatever you're in, maybe you showed Blitz or maybe you showed your safety shell or you showed too high, whatever it is. Right. They, you know, they get to the line quick and they get you to kind of tell real quick and then they call their play and they expose it, right? Oh, hey, they're cover four. Let's call it cover four beater.

Oh, hey, they're bringing the nickel. They're dropping the buck. let's throw a slant, you know, to the slot right away. Yeah. Whatever it is. And so, yeah, that was happening to us. And so in 2021, the big change was, so when Coach McDonald got the job, he asked, he said, hey, you know, he's new. He's been in the NFL coming back to college.

And he goes, hey, you know, what's, how do we protect our signals? And I told him, I said, well, it's a cat and mouse game. You got to think of it like it's like red light green light. If I'm watching them signal and I am not talking, that means they have not signaled. So don't signal because then we're the mouse. You just have to wait for them to begin signaling. So, you know, and it's not the sexy thing everyone wants to hear, but 99 times out of 100, they already know what they're calling no matter what.

They just want to have the green light to call it so their signal doesn't get stolen. right so usually in game i'm i'm looking i'm looking i'm looking and if i say like hey trips y flex you know the formation maybe i say like why across to trips why flex which here's usual signals for like why across like why across trips why like it's you know like it's anyone could could see that and just hey this is this is what the formation is usually he's calling the play just like that. Right. So it's not like,

it's not like the coordinator was waiting for like, hey, is it going to be a run? Is it going to be a pass? It's more like, Mike McDonald is a very successful college football coach

and now NFL head coach. Right. Jesse Mentor is, one of the chargers are giving up the fewest points in the NFL right now. Yeah, they're very good. So these guys get paid to do

what they do. They're not listening. They're not like calling their defense waiting for meat. I'm just a green light to basically tell them, hey, you have permission to signal without getting stolen. And that is kind of where it picked up in 21, where we were now no longer the mouse. It was all even playing field essentially. And what teams will do, though, like Ohio State, and I got a whole, I got a whole breakdown on every single play from 2018 to present day, Michigan, Ohio State.

it. Yeah. Now, from 2018 to present day, a whole breakdown of Ohio State's offense. When Ohio State's on offense and we're on defense. And I categorized, I watched every play on film. And I categorized it. Who's the mouse? Who's the cat? And then sometimes it's just neutral. The wash. Yeah. And here we go. So in 2018, Ohio State was the cat every play because they're picking us apart. signal-wise right and yeah they're running mesh every time we're in cover one they're running mesh rail every time we're blitzin they happen to be in max protection take a shot every time we're in zone they run the ball right i mean it's not a coincidence i'm watching them they have their me in you know ryan dazeer and we signal they talk i see it we talk but we signal first so we're the mouse right

And then so that happened in 2018, 2019. So they were the cat every play, those two games. They averaged 8.15 yards per play in 2018 and eight yards per play in 2019. And they had 15 touchdowns in those two games. Okay. 2021, they were, it was a stalemate 72 times. okay so that's like they're signaling and then we start to signal right after they start to signal okay they were the cat three times how and here's how i categorized them being the cat

when they had a play called so it starts off as a stalemate and then Ryan day gets C.J. Stroud's attention last second because he sees what we're in maybe they got our signal maybe they see our shell, whatever it is, and they change the play right before the snap. Okay, that's them being the cat. So our signals exposed. They get the pen to paper last. Yep.

And then they were the mouse every time they hard counted that game. Here's why. In 2018 and 2019, every time they hard counted and then looked at the sideline, we already had our signal called and we never changed it.

So, I mean, they exposed it. Right, right, right. So they know the zone, man, They all done. 2021, I know their hard count signal. So I know when they're going to hard count. So we don't have to show a blitz or whatnot. They stole the wrong signal because we would change our call.

And do you know who Ryan Day's Conor Stalions is? Yeah, but I'm not going to out anymore. Yeah, you should. As you shouldn't, but we know he's there. Yeah. Is he good at his job? Yes, very. Yeah.

So when they were the mouse, actually, I'll start with when they're the cat. When they were the cat, so they changed the play late, three times they average 9.3 yards per play. When it was a stalemate, they averaged 5.3 yards per play. They did score three touchdowns. It was 72 plays. So that's the majority of the game, right? When they were the mouse, they only average four yards per play, six times. And usually there were 72 total plays.

72, they were the stalemate. So it was 81 total plays. Got you. And, yeah, you see when they're the cat, they average the most yards per play. all the way down when they're the mouse it's they're not they're not doing much so what their first uh the 2018 and 2019 they hard counted 40 times you can go back and watch the film they hard counted 40 times 2021 six because it wasn't working right because they they couldn't steal our signal when they they hard counted because we just basically played this cat and mouse game with them and didn't allow them

to to be the mouse or to be the cat every time When you're explaining this cat and mouse game to the coaches, how receptive were they to, hey, you got to show patience? Mike McDonald is amazing. He's, I mean, he's one of the smartest people I've been around. And elite coach, right? He also empowered everyone. He's a great leader, and he would listen. So, I mean, it couldn't have been any better having him there.

He was huge. Yeah. It's huge. Basically, he just, you know, hey, I'm the D.C. I want to call the plays and focus on that. I don't want to get my signal stolen. Can you help me? Yeah, just, you know, wait until it's a green light.

Okay, thanks. Outside of the signal stuff, what situations were you in charge of breaking down? Well, in 21, I was still in the Marine Corps. Okay. So that's when I was flying back and forth. So, I mean, I just showed up on game day. Okay. And helped out.

22 when I get hired, you know, recruiting and then recruiting signals and then involved into helping out with the linebackers. Okay. Nice. Formation breakdowns. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so fascinated.

Like, this is incredible. Yeah. And you can see. If you want me to keep going this Ohio State thing, they weren't the cat one play in 2022 in in Columbus. And they averaged six yards per play. And then when they stole the wrong signal because they hard counted. the average five yards were play.

They scored one touchdown each in those situations. But it's funny. There's a video. Someone sent me of, it's like me by Coach Mentor, 2022 in Columbus. And some guy, like,

is doing this breakdown, Sam, I'm saying run right, run right. Oh, you're talking about where all 11 players just ran? Do we have that clip?

It, it wasn't even, all, I'm saying Nike, because that's what we called an opponent's heart count. Nike. And you can see the Nike board go up behind me. We have a board. Nike basically telling our, you know, safety is like, don't show a shell.

They're trying to steal our signal right now. Right. Right. And be ready for us to change the call. Yeah. So if they look, we're going to change our call to make sure they stole the wrong signal. This is the clip we're talking about right here?

No. That was after one of their hard count. You see your heart counts right there. Yeah, and the Nike sign behind. We had the Nike sign, right? But there's a different one where like some guy does this breakdown. I'm like, he's trying to like read my lips and he says he's saying run right, run right. That's what he's saying I'm saying.

Right. But I'm saying Nike, Nike. And by the way, the run was to the left because it's from the defense's perspective. Right? Like I'm not going to say it's a run to the right when they run it to our left. But yeah, so I say Nike. And then you can see them. Hard count.

Look, they just stole whatever we just signaled. I'm going to send you that video in the group chat. Yeah. We'll pull that up for sure because there's, you see so many of these clips and videos of you and you're saying something to somebody and everyone wants to freak out over it. But while he's pulling out. I'm actually protecting our signals.

That's the whole point of what I was saying. I'm telling our coordinator, they are hard counting. call a play you don't want to call because they're going to they're trying to steal our signal. So this is the clip right here of you're saying Nike Nike. Yep. You can see me say twin Y, twin Y, Nike. And there goes the Nike board.

You saw it go up. Yeah. And you see Ohio State hard count. So now they're all looking at the sideline. Now they're signaling. And then we call our other play. So they just stole the wrong signal. And it goes for no yards.

Everybody, they're feasting. Feasting. They break down the, there's just tight-in screen. Ah, yeah. I want to say the Houston, Texas. Yeah, Stover. Stover, yeah. And he said, essentially, like, it's a formation we've never done it out of.

We've never ran this play out of. And he was beside himself on figuring out how you guys knew. I just saying that clip too, Sherman. Yeah. Insane, incredible awareness by the defense. understand you that it's a screen guys just in the film room 4-7

dialing it all in so I don't remember what formation it was out of but can we pull that clip up before you explain it yeah

yeah just scroll up that one right there do they show the play no they don't yeah we could we could pull it up yeah yeah see yeah

try to type in something to pull that out but yeah I'm thinking thinking about it in my head. It had to be first half. First quarter, because they were going the same direction. Yeah, dude, I am obsessed.

It was right by our side, around the 25, 30-yard line. Yeah. Somewhere in there. He was right in front of us. Right. It goes into the boundary in front of you guys. Correct. We're getting to, you called this play that they had not run before,

but you were able to decipher it. Yes. Is this one of your top five calls? Is this like a top fire? It backfired. They get CJ Straub turned around And everyone was right there And he scrambled and got a first down

Or at least got significant yards Frank's face-timing me right now 22 is he? Answer it Dude Frank Was a war daddy at Michigan Frank We're on the bus right now

What up Frank? What's up baby? What are you doing? What are you going to take house for? What's you doing? That's awesome man Well I hope you're doing well brother Yeah

Oh, I'll hit you up after Yeah. See you, Bob. Love. That's funny. I already gave them a shout out. Yeah, no doubt. So that tight end screen.

Yes. Whatever the formation says. You know, here's the thing. Ohio State had like eight signalers. Eight signallers all year. Something like that. And everyone signals the formation. Mistake number one.

Like, I don't need to know who's live to see what the formation is. Right. Anyone could see that. Mistake number two, they never changed who their live signaler was the entire season. So I guess their counterstallions isn't that good then? Apparently not as good. They didn't do enough self-scouting.

Correct. So and here's the bottom line of, you know, how can you be so good in game? I just realized. Is this the clip right here? Is this it? This is the tied-in screen. Yep. Yeah, that's it.

Slat Y, Y. So I think they motion into Slat Y Y, Y, and then... Also, that's a cut block. You see a cut by the runway and push you have to penalty. Yeah. It's just straw making stuff. So they signaled their signal for the Slat Y Y formation. And then the guy who was live, the entire season, signaled why?

delay. Am I supposed to see that and be like, oh, I don't know what this is. Right, right, right. So you call it out. I said, I think there's got to be a wide delay screen. God. So we talked about Ohio State having their own Conner Stallions. How many of the power now power four conferences have a Connerstallions?

Yeah, I mean, it's got to be 80 to 90%. 80%. 80% but let's like the big 10 before, well, I'm sure USC, does. I'm sure Washington probably does. Any team worth of shit has. The only two teams that, to my understanding, did not were Iowa and Michigan State in the big

time. Nebraska, when we played them last year, this is like, what, two games before I got suspended, first of all, they huddled almost every play. We want to go game by game last year. ECU, new signals

because it's game one, and they're the best of protecting. So we're We're up 30 to nothing before I even started figuring out what was going on. Next game was what, UNLV. They had one signaller. So that was easy. Game three, Bowling Green.

They were okay at protecting. I figured them out pretty early. Game four Rutgers, they huddled every single play. They're really good at getting signals. So again, you're really good. Like, you know, we huddle every play.

We just beat them too. Yeah. They were undefeated. Haddle business. Nebraska handled business on that. Yeah, we handle business. So, Rutgers, they're very good at protecting their place. Very good.

Because they're good at getting signals. And did you figure them out at all? Well, like, I know their guy. Yeah. So we both, well, first of all, Michigan offense, we don't, we never really steal signals. We, we huddle more than anyone in the country. I think besides Air Force maybe, or whoever, one of the, service academies.

But you don't see Michigan go up to tempo all too much. But yeah, we huddled every play and they huddled every play. And then after the game, I talked to their guy and we just kind of, that was the ultimate stalemate. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, just see you later. And did you know him personally before the game? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, and then right after the game, like, all right back to, you know, whatever you need help with, you know, let me know, I'll give you what I got and he gives me what he's got.

You know, and that happens every Sunday, right? So every Sunday you essentially talk to the team you just played, their guy. Anyone. A lot of coaches do that too. Yeah. So like, right, I'm sure the head coaches exchange information with, and not even just the team you just play. Like, you know, okay, what, Michigan's got Illinois coming up and Illinois already

played Nebraska. So I could call Nebraska's guy and be like, hey, what do you got in Illinois? Who do you play next week? I'll give you what I got on so-and-so. Right. And that happens all the time. And that's not just signals that's decordinators, you know, hey, what plays did you like what did you see you know all that um so yeah and after that ruckers game

it was right back to all right we're friends now and we knew that was going to happen no signals at all the entire game um and then the next game was Nebraska and they did not signal until like their third drive of the game we were we were already up 14 nothing before their first signal right They had a third and one pick. But the funniest thing was, you know, most teams have boards that either, sometimes it means formation, sometimes it tells you which signaler is live. It can mean many different things. Nebraska's boards told you which signaler was live.

And they had these quadrants and pictures in each quadrant. And most of the pictures, I'm sure, didn't mean anything. But one of the boards they had had my high school logo on it. No shit. Yeah. Nice. So they knew. That was pretty funny.

They were aware of you. We all know who each other are, so that was probably just a funny, like, you know, hey. So they think there's a memory in high school. Any other intel with Nebraska? No. Who do they play next week? We, it's a bye week, but then Indiana. Indiana.

Ooh, that's a good game. Yeah. Where is it? At Indiana. What kind of information can you give us in Indiana? Give me a week. I was going to say, I'll wait for your text. I'll have to go back to the JMU stuff.

Yeah. Yep. With who is it, Signetti. Yep. He's really good. And then the next game after Rutgers last year is Minnesota. They huddled every play.

And you guys bodybagged Minnesota. Oh my God. And then Indiana, they were decent at protecting their signals. And then I wasn't there. Did Michigan have a signal stealer before you? No. So they didn't. They were playing.

went from Navy to there, like once I was in the Marine Corps, it was 2018, was the start of it. It was maybe week four or five. I think actually the last game I was not, the last game I was in the stands for may have been Michigan, Nebraska in like 2018. Maybe it was Northwestern. I don't remember who it was. It was one of those two teams. Yeah.

And then after that, I'm on the field, you know, because I asked, I was there for a two-week kind of limbo period between training and being stationed in California. And so I asked like, hey, what can I do on game day? And they're like, I don't know. What do you think? I said, well, I mean, I did this at Navy. You want me to try that?

And they're like, yeah, sure. I don't think we have anyone doing that. And just ran with it. I don't know about that. Well, let me ask that question because did anyone from South Carolina get signs from you to steal from Tennessee and Georgia? I don't know anyone at South Carolina.

Carolina. Now here's what I'll say. There's this whole like a giant circle of the Intel guys, right, that know, know each other, right? And you're usually one or two phone calls away from anyone you want. Right. Like if I, if we played, we played Georgia in 21 in the Orange Bowl. and I got a hold of a couple SEC teams that were playing big 10 teams in their bowl game and so I'd give them what I had on them and they'd give me what they had on Georgia. Also, this was my favorite. Trading happens all the time, right? 2021, we lose to Michigan State.

Kenneth Walker, a great game. Played fantastic. Yep. And we needed some help. Right. They had to lose twice. Who had to lose twice again? Michigan State had to lose twice. And then that would have resulted in having a three-way tie.

We would have beaten Ohio State, and then it would just been us in Ohio State because then Michigan State would not have been in that three-way tie. And they lost to Purdue. And then I think it was the next week they played Ohio State. The week before we played Ohio State. So we needed Ohio State to win. So I gave Michigan State signals to a buddy of mine and said, hey, I changed all the logos. I made it look like it came from a different school.

I don't want to give Ohio State something from Michigan, right? They might not use it. Who knows? Right. We need Ohio State to win. And I know they steal a crap out of defensive signals, so here you go. So I made it. I gave it to a buddy who may have given it to a buddy who then gave it to Ohio State and

say, hey. Classic game of telephone. Yep. I got this from so-and-so. at you know name your school university and yeah so they got I'm sure they probably already had them

but it just confirmed everything but yeah and then they won like 60 to nothing and that's all you needed yep does in this in this world of trading does anybody ever trade their own school's information I have no idea

that'd be crazy but you never know right because I'm assuming like trade their own school school's information. Right. Like, I'm assuming that everybody was as massive a fan of the school they worked for like you were.

So I know that, you know, just like corrupt politicians. Yeah. I'm sure. I wouldn't put it past certain people. I'm going to throw one out there. Go ahead. Linebarger coach got fired last year, yeah? Or he resigned and then went to Bama?

Fire. No, that was two years ago. No, no, that was last year. That was last year. No, but he, so it was at the end of 2022. He wasn't at. Michigan during the 23 season. Wasn't somebody at Michigan during last year?

Not during the season. And their computer kind of got found, grenade the computer, and then they went to Alabama? You're mixing stories right now. Okay. Can you help differentiate the stories? Would that, I mean... George Hilo was a linebacker coach in 2022. He was not at Michigan in 23 and then was hired by Bama before our game.

But he was like 11 months removed or whatever. Got you. I don't know. Don't quote me on exactly. Right, right, right. And you assume the reason why he was hired by Alabama right before. Well, yeah, why wouldn't you have hired him earlier in the year? Right, because Alabama was trying to cheat.

I'll say it. I mean, it's just like in the NFL if somebody like, if I were to be playing for Washington, I get cut and then the Eagles bring me in right away and they want to just know, like what's going on. How do they operate? Yeah, well, you're 100% you're squealing like a pig. Oh, yeah. When I came to the Titans, I was in the office. offensive room with Lefleur and then breaking down the Washington, breaking down Washington

defense, how we played cover one and how we did things in the red zone, how we played triangle when it was three by one, like all that stuff. You want to win. I mean, at the end of day, you want to win. I want to keep breaking down this crazy underground world of trading different teams information. When did you become aware of this? 2018. 2018 is when you found out there's a- Is it Navy? I never know I never really talked to me

from other schools yeah leave Navy you guys won't help like we're good yeah he's all good bro appreciate you you guys just got killed

yeah yeah yeah yeah he isn't still shit it's 2018 it was after the regular season I think it was after the regular season I got to call someone asking for some stuff on some certain teams

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yeah go ahead um so there's been so much obviously the landscape of college football and how you do play calling has changed so much and a lot of it has to do with what happened last year with michigan everything like that if you are pointing fingers at you i don't think anything is people people didn't uh people in football didn't change much Yeah.

It's just the media perception. So, because now they're going to the comps. So is it much more difficult to steal signs now? It's actually signal sealing sealing is happening more now. So remember I explain the whole, you know, how it evolve, how it works and the difference between the NFL and college. It's just because of the tempo. I mean, shoot, NFL teams still signal some. Not all the time, but like if they ever want to go tempo, they signal.

Yeah, you have to do tempo. signal if you have two minute you got a signal sometimes it's the coach to the quarterback and then the quarterback signals to the receivers and tells everyone in the core or some teams have signalers on the sideline that are ready to signal anytime they want to go tempo that's that's the league though um college now that new helmet communications it's not a rule right it's not a mandate it's just a feature It's a tool. So now coaches can talk to the quarterbacks. That doesn't mean they have to signal or that doesn't mean they have to huddle or that they want to huddle.

So what's happening now, and this isn't for everyone, but a lot of teams are doing this is now they are continuing to go up tempo and they are stealing the defense's signal. And now they can just talk to the quarterback up until 15 seconds and tell them exactly what's coming. So hey, they're blitzing the nickel They're dropping the boundary end Throw the slant to the slot Whatever it is Now you can do that There's already

I'm not going to say who It's not a Big Ten school But there's already been a team That has had Bluetooth to the quarterback for years No shit Really can I guess A big time? I'm not going to tell you

If you're warm or colder It's just not in the Big Ten It's a big time team It's a power four Power 5 What do you want to call? team yeah is it irrelevant so like why you know the officials aren't going to check to see if there's Bluetooth because in 99% of people's minds you would only have Bluetooth to huddle up

when in reality you have Bluetooth to tell the QV what the defensive signal is now that's happening a lot so it's I mean it's funny I've I've gotten phone calls from teams asking if I still have so-and-so signals and whatnot really and I'm not even you know technically in it right now. Technically. Technically. And then, I mean, shoot, I have gone to every Michigan game, and everyone we played has signaled. Really?

On offense. And you are, you're still sitting there. Minnesota did not. They didn't last year. You're still sitting in the stands. Yeah. And you can see the signal caller. And so you essentially know what's happening.

You know, when I'm at the Michigan games now, I'm just there doing. enjoy it when I I'm obviously aware enough to see oh they're signaling and for example like USC when we played USC you know it's the Lincoln Riley offense it's the same as his brother Garrett Riley when he was at TCU and now Clemson I was even remembering some of the stuff like oh wait isn't this this is just all go special and it was right um you know they're not they're not changing their signals um maybe a few but um like Texas they they they they They signaled every single play the whole game. And, you know, again, it's,

we're definitely at a disadvantage now because we don't have our signal guy and everyone else has theirs. So, you know, it goes back to that cat mouse game. You've not become the mouse in every situation. Yeah, unless you make sure you signal second. And there's no. We need to make sure we're doing that if or not.

Yeah. What do you see out of Michigan this year? What do you think the issue is? I mean Outside of not having a quarterback Well, you have 15 guys or whatever that we lost the league, right? Like that's not easy. 18.

Yeah. Okay. And then you lose your strength coach, your entire defensive staff, you know, you're obviously your head coach. It's going to be a step back. You know, it's not that easy to maintain success when you when, when, when, that happens. Yeah, I think I watched your video yesterday.

You know, I'm still optimistic too. Good. And the video I told you not to watch. I told nobody to watch. Correct. I was just putting it up there in the internet for people just to have. Correct.

I heard someone else watching it. Yeah. Stole that. Yep. And, you know, I think, well, one, the bi-week couldn't come in any better time. It was a well-timed by week.

There's a lot of parody in college football this year. A lot. You know, that must be a product of NIL in the portal in full effect now. But, you know, other than Texas and, I mean, I guess Ohio State, they did beat Iowa, but has anyone else looked really good every single week? Right. In your opinion, you feel like, because you were on that side of it, you were also in recruiting, Do you feel like Michigan is doing what they need to do

in the whole portal game with the NIL and everything else? Yeah, I think the issue with the portal that a lot of people are voicing their opinions now and they're upset about, you know, why did we not get someone at this position and that position? Well, the portal was closed by the time, like something's got to happen in college football because if you make the playoffs, you are screwed for the portal for the following season. Because the portal timeframe is while you're prepping for the playoffs. So your players aren't announcing if they're leaving or not. So how do you recruit a guy and convince him to come to Michigan when that guy,

for all he knows, is like, well, so-and-so isn't leaving? And how do you tell him, oh, he is going to leave? But then what if he doesn't leave? And that's not on a kid either. Like JJ, for example, you can't expect him to make an announcement. during the playoffs about if he's going to go to the league or not. He's not thinking about that, right? He's just in the moment.

That's who he is, right? And that's also who he should be for the team in that moment. But he's not, you know, maybe there's backdoor conversations with his family, but he's not going to make some announcement saying, you know, hey, I'm going to leave after this game. So that's an issue, the timing of everything. Because then it's like, you know, are they students or are they athletes? Because the semester starting in January.

Right. is really what why the portal, from my understanding, why the portal closes at that time. And then it just opens up for a couple days, but everyone that you would want is usually already committed somewhere else. Yeah. Like all the best players are gone now. Yep.

You're getting the tier two, two or three guys. Yeah. So, you know, I, Sharon is definitely the man for the job. Sharon is the best man. He is an elite leader. Everyone loves them. Great dude.

loves football. Like, I remember, you know, if it's 1 a.m. And you're on your grind, watching film, whatever you're doing. And you go to the bathroom or you go get water, whatever, and come back. And he was always one of the, like, three people that were there that late. Still grinding? Yes. Still about it.

All about it. So, I mean, it seems like they're going to have a chance to do the portal this year and not making the playoffs. if they don't make the playoffs. Correct. We'll have time. Correct. We'll be able to reload for next year is what you're saying.

Correct. Now, is anybody sitting in the seat you were sitting in last year at Michigan now? They don't have that anymore. With the signals? Yeah. Not to my knowledge. What else outside of signals? Obviously, you're known for being the signal master.

I know. I think everyone understands that, like, signal stealing is like you're trying to gain whatever advantage you can. Like, every lock room, every meeting I've been in, you're trying to break down whether it's coach's copy or TV copies. You got somebody up there giving a presentation on signals. Whatever you do with it is ultimately up to you. It depends on how much information you can retain. But what else outside of the spectrum of signals was kind of like your bread and butter?

Was it like two minute drills or situations in there? Yeah. I mean, you know, one of the beauties at Michigan, Coach Harbaugh hired a great staff to recruit great players. And he just empowered his staff. So there was a lot of overlap between like, you know, it wasn't like if on paper I'm a recruiting guy, I wasn't only doing recruiting, right? Or if you're a defensive analyst, you're not only breaking down, third down, people helping each other out a lot, filling in gaps when needed. But during the season, it was, you know, a little bit of recruiting, mostly, you know, I was in every.

defensive staff meeting you know you're your game planning i'm breaking down film prepping linebacker meetings uh for coach partridge so you know because it's it's a race right like every the thing that people don't realize is every i know you guys realize it but from sunday morning to kick off on saturday it's literally who can prepare faster than their opponent and you know the linebacker coach for example should not be the guy that is going in and finding the specific clips for the meeting. He's the one coaching the clips. You are going through, like, so I would go through the film and pick out, you know,

what he wanted for the linebacker meeting, for example, stuff like that. And also breaking down opponents. So like I mentioned that formation tendencies, stuff like that. You know, because every, so like, you know, Monday for the linebackers might be, you know, first and second down. What do they do on first and second? you know uh tuesdays may be you know short yardage goal line wednesdays might be third and long whatever it is however you break that down and so i would prepare the meetings uh for the for the backers

um you know every day and then you know the signal stuff because that was again you know it was just a portion of of the job is something i just did any time i didn't have i had some free time to okay we're done prepping for linebacker meetings practices in an hour i'm gonna i'm gonna crank out an hour of this and then i try to finish that by tuesdays usually wednesday and then give myself two days to memorize everything memorize my sheet you know feel comfortable with it and you know the tough part it's this goes for everyone though right because again you play your opponent and then you're done so for me it was play your opponent i'm not i'm not kidding maybe with the exception of like ohio state and michigan state i might remember a few but an hour after the game i could not tell you a single

signal that i just remembered for that game because it's on to whoever you're under the next right right like i don't care about being as president as possible yes so and usually i would try to get a couple days ahead so like if i let's just say uh uh Let's say I were there now and we're playing Illinois in a couple weeks after the buy. And then who's after them, Michigan State? Yeah. So I would try to finish Illinois. Well, pretend there's no bye week.

Pretend we're in Illinois week right now. I would try to finish them by Tuesday, maybe Wednesday at the latest. And then by Thursday morning, it's like two separate mind frames where one, I am calmly memorizing my sheet for the Illinois game and also getting ahead with. Michigan State so I can finish them by the following Tuesday because I always want to give myself a couple days to as I'm sure everyone does you know for everything they do whether it be coordinating a play calling or coaching your position or being an actual player like you want to at least that you don't want to be like racing all the way up until kickoff and your mind's going a thousand different directions so that is kind of how I scheduled everything for myself when you so like during the week you say like

yeah like in the league it would be like Wednesday to be like first and second down Thursday would be all third down to stuff. Yeah, then the red zone and stuff like that. But we'd have assisting coaches. Like Mike Sullivan would always break down in front of the entire offense. These are the blitzes these teams do. Did you ever get to sit in front of the entire defense? No, because I was an analyst.

And up until this year, analysts could not do like on field, you know, could not instruct players or anything like that. you could only assist the coaches. So I would prepare, like I would help Coach Partridge, for example, you know, if he had short yardage goal line, I would help him prepare the clips for that and the organization of that meeting. Are there a couple defensive players that gravitated toward all the information and knowledge you had of the X's and O's? I mean, the guys that understand it in the details. Yeah, a lot of the players. I mean, even like Mikey Sanders still is, I mean, I've learned some of the defense from him.

You know, like some of these, you know, these guys are really smart, great leaders. He's, Mikey's probably the best non-military leader I've ever been around. Really? Yes. He is, he's that guy. I mean, you know, he started as a receiver. And then flashbacks, he had that nice catch, that diving catch in a line. Lincoln, Nebraska, that night game as a receiver.

And then the very next year changes to nickel. And he's our starting nickel and one of the best nickels in the country, just like that. But, I mean, he's a guy that he led by example and he was not afraid to check anyone. But, I mean, I was close with a lot of the players. Because this is like a brotherhood. You know, I was, what, like 27 years old, 20 years old at the time. And they're anywhere from 18 and 23.

So, like, I'm closer in age to them than they are to the coach. like the full-time coaches. So, yeah, I was pretty close with the majority of the team. It truly was like a family atmosphere where, I mean, everyone got along with everyone. And that goes back to Coach Harbaugh hiring a great staff and that great staff recruiting just the right people. I know we're getting kind of close to that hour 30 mark right now. I had a question about Xos. And I heard a rumor that there was pirating videos going on from Exos, the film company.

The software, yeah. That was actually pirating, taking Michigan's practice film and giving it to other Big Ten teams. Do you have any knowledge of that at all? I don't know what Exo's role would be or not be in that. Allegedly. Yeah, well, most teams have Exos. There's DV Sport too. All I'll say is I have seen other Big Ten schools signals.

I'm talking the original signal film that was like a GA doing the signals in the quarterback room, right? Like the players would have on Caterpult to study. I've seen other teams signals of that that the people who showed me that claim they got it from Ohio State. Oh, interesting. I've seen that with my own eyes. So people that have the play calls. Like Ohio State, for example, may have traded that to someone for a different team's signals or whatnot. And that someone may have shown me, dude, you better be careful because look at what they got.

And I'm like, holy cow. They made you aware of it. Correct. Okay. Yes. And that's probably illegal, right? I'm not a lawyer. I have a question. Your manifesto, what was the foundation of it?

Like for you, philosophy-wise, like, how did you start building out the manifesto? Obviously, from military background, you talked about the coaches in the past, but you yourself putting this thing together, what foundation was it built off of? Best way to explain that is it's organized. how I would organize a football program, which is very military-like in like a chain of command and like a staff org chart, you know,

or usually in groups of three where like you have the head coach and headquarters and then under them you have the football staff, the operations staff, and so on. Within the football staff, that would be like anything related to football, So I break that into three different categories. Personnel, so scouting, recruiting, the actual X is an O, so offense, defense special teams, and then player performance, which is strength conditioning, you know, trainers and stuff

like that, nutrition. And then each of those has a broken down subcategor. So if you gave me a thought on like, hey, I saw this really good thing that such and such school was doing with their nutrition program. I would just go, boom, boom, boom, boom, there's the nutrition section, and I got all my organized notes, and I'd put it in there.

And if you were asked, if you were to ask me, how would you run your, how would the logistics work for your operations department? Give me five seconds, I'll show you. Boom, boom, boom. And then there's all my notes on that. And that's kind of, you know,

It's a really good book, getting things done by David Allen. It's about how in order to actually apply something that you learn or see or whether it be a quote or, you know, something from a book, something from a movie, something from a conversation. You have to first be able to capture it. So write it down. Then you have to take that captured thing. thought and be able to organize it. That's like my organized notes, the Michigan Manifesto.

And then you have to be able to reference it though. So that's why, that's the beauty of if you're super organized, then I can always go back to that. Like for example, if I read a book on leadership, for example, there might be a quote

about something that's not necessarily specifically leadership. It might be about there could be a football, some football quote or something. And you got to be able to, every time I read a book, I read the book, take all my notes, and then I go through the book again and everything I highlighted or underlined or wrote, I put that where it belongs in the manifesto. So then I can reference it without having to remember what book was that from.

It was a quote about football, but it was in a leadership book. Like, no, I just go to the football section and there's the quote. I couldn't dream to be this organized. I could not. And the beauty of it, too, is I can talk about that. You know, probably never give away the Michigan Manifesto, but I can talk about it.

And no one will be able to duplicate it because I'm already 15 years ahead. Right, right. Like, good luck. Duffy out, man. How did it develop over the years? It went from the binder. It's just adding from the organization? Yeah.

Yeah. And it's a Google Doc now and you say like how many pages is it? I can't give you an exact number because I found this out the hard way. A Google Doc can't go over a thousand pages. So it's multiple Google Docs. Nice. No shit, dude. Yeah.

God. How often do you go back and read it and be like, okay, this is different now? This is different now. Like nutrition, for instance. If you take something five years ago, someone said about nutrition, that's, ever evolving. Yeah, it's just, it's ongoing. It's ongoing. And I'm, I usually, I try to visit it, uh, at least weekly, try to daily, but, you know, like if, you know, I've been traveling last few days, I have, you know, I haven't been on it. But what I do, like, so at the Michigan,

Washington game, during the game, I have my notes up, not the actual Google Docs, but just my notes app. And I'm just taking notes on everything I see like, oh, uh, I was at the Seahawks game the Sunday 2. Anytime I'm at a game or watching a game and I see a play I like or, you know, a situation like, you know, this is bad flashbacks, but 2011, fourth and inches in East Lansing. And we run a play fake. And, you know, I just remembered that yesterday watching the Seahawks Giants game thinking

like, you know, fourth and inches. If I'm ever a coordinator, I don't want to call a player the quarterback's back as to the defense in fourth and inches, unless he's given the ball. But it's just so risky. But like, so anyway, you know, that just triggered that thought from 2011. So I write that down on my notes. And then tonight when I get back, I will put that exactly where it belongs in the manifesto. So then whenever I'm a coordinator, I already have that in the fourth and short section to always reference and remind myself. Your memory is shaky. The, uh, the manifesto, did you give it the name manifesto? No, no. So that was, it was just like my notes. And I think it was during COVID when people didn't know football was going to be happening or not. And a couple buddies of mine and I had these zooms just talking balls, staying fresh in football. And I remember kind of introducing it to one of them. And he's like, this is like a manifesto. And so we just kind of jokingly called it the Michigan manifesto. And then.

And obviously the media ran with it, Dave ran with it, and I guess I now have to call it the Michigan Manifesto. It is infamous. You've got to whenever you've decided, I'm done doing the manifesto, you need to print that out hard copy and then just frame it somewhere, just a book. But there's never an end to the Michigan Manifesto. How could there be an end? That was a dumb statement.

You win a national championship. There's already a section in there. This is like a savingism, right? You could start doing it like encyclopedias. you can have like a volume one. Yeah. I already have nine volumes. He said I already have nine volumes.

Are you just doing AI up here? He's just been popping up different AI AI pictures that he's decided to make. I mean, you saw the recruiting, the scouting map in the documentary. Yeah. Did you see that? I did not. So it's a map of the United States.

It's where every single draft pick, right? Every draft pick. So basically what I did was, again, I can say this because, well, you know, you could probably hire some AI or you can do whatever now and probably catch you up on this. But it's just the concept. This is just one of, you know, hundreds of concepts in the manifesto where, you know, people always talk about states. Like, what's the best state for recruiting? Yeah.

Is it Georgia? Is it Florida? Is it Texas? Is it California? And I just kind of realized, why are we talking about states? It's literally something that Lewis and Clark drew back in the 1800s. Why would you recruit based on some. state boundaries that were drawn a couple hundred years ago.

So what I did was I plotted every single draft pick. I took the Google map layer like off where you couldn't even tell where you were. And I just plotted everyone. And then I just drew my own little regions around where the mass people were and just kind of went from there. Because like, you know, when people say Florida is great, well, it's mostly Fort Lauderdale, Miami. Right? When people say California, it's mostly L.A. and the Bay Area. Texas, mainly, Dallas, Houston. Yes, there are certain states like Georgia and Texas where it is more spread

out, but I just kind of figure why, you know, why. And it's by position too. Now I'm not going to give away which positions in which sub-regions are worth recruiting more than others. But yeah, there's definitely like certain regions are hotbeds for certain positions so what's the best state for recruiting what's the best region region Miami's the best region is the best region how's Arizona how does Arizona hold up I mean if you weren't there then it wouldn't be as great that is exactly how I wanted you to answer that I didn't know that's how I wanted you to answer but that's what I needed to hear but you know I think Georgia is probably the best state where if You just close your eyes and put your finger anywhere on the state of Georgia.

You're close to a player that's been drafted. I like that. It's extremely informative. I've loved every minute of this. We got a couple of sections. We got a twisted question and then tier talk. I think we have multiple tier talks. One that we're just going to give to you.

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man I could be the wrong person to ask you because I can't it's not like I can sit here and think of all the players like just throw in you know one of the 90s nebraska teams i think you're going to be pretty good but is that a big 10 team though they are now yeah but they weren't big 10 then right they weren't big 10 then all right so let's start a quarterback who's representing the big 10 we're completely creating our team from scratch we're not saying like georgia 21 you're create you're like picking players like joe burrow yeah it's gonna be tough yeah that's a that's a very long-winded twisted question can we we just got to go like the best o line the best receiver core maybe.

Okay. Let's start with the Big Ten. All right, Big Ten quarterback. I mean, or Tom Biden. You're using one of the Michigan ones recently, yeah? O-line. Yeah.

22, Michigan-O-line. Even to go, JP? 20-22, Michigan-O-line. Maybe 23. A man. They technically didn't win. We didn't win the Joe Moro war last year, but that was probably because they just felt back

because we won it twice in a row. First time we ever won it twice in a row. But I would say that, I could say that O-line. You could say that last year. What, the 2020? Are we working on this together? Yeah, we have to.

There's no way the three of us are going to do. So we'll say that O line. I hate saying this, but it's got to be one of the Ohio State receiving corps recently now. Yeah, yeah. With old Marvin Harrison, Jr. I mean, dude. Well, if you're going to pick them,

then you've got to pick Michigan's DBs, though. Yeah. Right? So we're just Ohio State and Michigan so far. So what's that? CJ Stroud might be. But this is all time. Drew Brees.

I do, you know, I respect C.J. Good guy. He didn't beat Michigan, though. He didn't beat Michigan. Couldn't be Michigan. You go J.T. Barrett, then. I see. J.T. Barrett.

Yeah, they had three, they had, Duane and all three of those guys right back to back to back. Yeah, this is way harder than I expected it to be. Troy Smith, too. You want to put Kittalett tight end? JP, you can do the SEC team. Are they keeping track of this?

You got to have Joe Burrow. I don't know. Cam Newton, though, his 2010 season. Yeah. Johnny Man, Del. Superman. Johnny. You guys do the SEC.

We'll do the Big Ten. The number one greatest running back of all time and the Big Ten. I'm looking at Archie Griffin, Ohio State. That's big. That's big. the big 10. Okay, so we'll take him. We'll take him. Let me look at, uh, I'll do line, I'm going to do linebackers. I'm almost assuming like again. And is this, is this while they're in college? Yeah.

Yeah, man, we just do a defense. Because for linebackers, you, you can always pick like a, like a Penn State squad. Yeah. Yeah. When they had, uh, yeah. But I'll, you probably want to go. LaVar Harrington. Yeah. Last year's Michigan defense. If you're going full defense. Yeah. You're on full defense. I mean, handled Alabama. This is a way harder question than I wanted to be.

It's insanely hard. Yeah. Should we pass? Is there a backup question? No, it's just too much brainpower. We might have to part. I'm all look at best big ten punters of all time. Best our player.

Zoltan Mesco. Zoltan is one of the first players I met at Michigan. And they made like a Ray guy. He got way too much playing time. Ray guy. Dude, he, when that, uh, that Ray Guy, indoor was first made in 2009, he walked out and they're like,

oh, it's big enough to where a punter can hit it. And his first punt without warming up at the top. Yeah. It was like the most deflating to outglick field house. Well, yeah, are we talking to Mumford real quick? Yeah, we could talk to Mumford. We'll wait to these boys. We, they find out that we're punting on this.

So Mumford. I mean, you got Charles Woodson. Yeah, we'll take him, I guess. I'm kind of just over the question. To be honest, we're not on. Yeah, we're here. It's way too long.

Yeah, this is Lydia entire episode. It's like, let's just figure out the best all-time conference teams. I actually have a question for him. About Mumford? No, no, no, no.

Mumford, go ahead. Stick on Mumford. Because I got a question. I won't forget about Mumford. You keep that picture up. I'm not going to forget. Give me three coaches you feel like you've learned the most from.

In real time, not like wood and people you were inspired by and everything. Yeah, yeah. Guys, we punted on this question. Twisted question. Three coaches. CCCs?

Three coaches he's learned the most from. But we're punning on it. Yeah, three coaches he's learned the most from that's added value to the manifesto. Big value. That's actually, yeah, that's probably the best way to ask that too. Kenny Amatelolo, Navy head coach. at San Jose State. Winning as head coach,

Navy football history. Chris Partridge. And I got two in mind for this third spot. It's either Jay Harbaugh or Mike McDonald. And ironically, all of those guys are in Seattle. I'd say Jay. I've spent more time around Jay. Those are the three that are the manifesto the most.

Yeah, just from observing them. and asking them questions and picking their brains. How many coaches knew you had this manifesto going? Not like manifesto, like the fun, creativity. Yeah, I think a lot of people just kind of knew I was very organized and had a bunch of notes and pulled out ideas. Was any coach, like, curious? Like, hey, have you been logging everything?

Like, let's see this organization. I kind of bought into it. I think every coach has their own system of notes, right? Yeah. Maybe not as organized. but I don't think people really think about it as much because they just kind of write down their note now once they realize, wait,

maybe they're interviewing for next job up or whatever and they need to organize everything. That's why I go back to vision, the concept of vision itself, like when you picture yourself as that, you just start from the beginning like that. So you just organize everything as if you're the head coach and then you're ready for anything. I love it too, man.

Should we do tier talk? and then I have one final question. We got to get Mumford. Should I skip that skip? Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Mumford. So the boys just, the guy that sells W.

We won our first game in a long, long time. Let's give a shout out to Mumford. And you say a long, long time. You were going viral, like it had been. Dusted. Like, let's check it on Connorset. He just took an asswhip in like 60. Yeah, we also play like CastTac and everything.

Cash tag is like the school in Detroit. Okay. Mumford, you said it's been a long, long time since you guys got a W. How long? I think they won one game last year. none the year before and two the year before that, something like that.

It's been rough. So you resign from Michigan and Mumford calls up and says, please for the love of God, do something for us. Is that how it happened? I know the head coach, and he asked if I want to be the D.C. And it's kind of all, we only have like four coaches, so. And you're thinking yourself,

what a challenge. No doubt. Yeah. You see how big as I's got to say? No fucking doubt. Yeah. What an op. How has the defense gotten better since you gotten there? Yeah, we all kind of coach everything. So I'm coaching all sides of the ball. Yeah, all three phases.

Yeah. And for example, we have two offensive linemen in the entire program. No shit. Two? Yep. So. Well, you have two players that play offensive line in the entire program? We have two true offensive linemen.

So like our tight end, Norman Adams, shout out Norman. Shout out to Norman. Could be a very recruitable tight end, had to take one for the team, and he's our left tackle. Oh, no. It gets better, guys.

Oh, my God. Lane Johnson, that happened to him. So last week, every day it's like playing Tetris with the depth chart, and our starting slot had to be our right guard in the game we won. The right guard? Yep, stepped up. Nate, shout out to Nate. Shout out to Nate.

Played right guard. Yeah. Got the dub. We ran the ball every play except one. All right. So, you know, it comes with its own challenges. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of challenges involved.

A lot of challenges. And, you know, it's really turned into guys taking sacrifices, right? Like, you know, some guys wake up one day thinking they're going to be the slot receiver, getting some carries. And then they find themselves starting as the right guard. In the trenches. In the trenches. That is great.

What have you enjoyed most about the high school level? How easy the signs are to steal? No, there hasn't been a single sign. Oh, really? We, so we, right, obviously we have some challenges. We have two offensive linemen. I mean, I could stop right there. So you got to be able to manipulate tempo, right, to your advantage.

And I can talk about this. I mean, no one's going to have an answer for it. So, you know, we, with two offensive linemen, what do you do? Well, we do a lot of, I don't even know what you want to call it. It's not even tackle over. It's like everyone over. So you just take the two offensive line like, you're going to play on the left side of this now. No, like the center is the last guy on the line and everyone else is over there.

But you can't just line up like that. You can't just give them 15 seconds to adjust. So we use like five or six different. tempos where, you know, one of them is a speed break huddle. So we'll speed break to overloading one side and snapping the ball in three seconds. Like you're not going to be able to adjust to that in three seconds. No. We'll speed break into like pods where we have just the center and quarterback, five guys

over there, four guys over there. If you don't match your numbers, we're snapping it and getting it out. And we scored, we got a 75-yard touchdown last week on that. And the refs threw a flag for 12 men on the field. and I told our guys stay on the field I'm yelling at the ref count them what do you mean 12 on the field and they count them

and then they go and have this meeting for like 10 minutes like what are they talking about there's 11 on the field there's been 11 on the field and then all of a sudden they change it from 12 on the field to 5 in the back field they're like look we're worried it right now

how do we get out of this Michigan State fans they saw you and they're like probably we gotta make sure this guy doesn't have success anywhere now yeah but no so we you know we utilize tempo to our advantage and then we'll go fast you know we'll go fast tempo and run a play real quick and then we'll just go regular old tempo take our time everything's on a wristband and they look at

it boom they get lined up they run it and then we'll go fast again but we'll hard count get them to jump first down so we you know it's like we had like a 10 minute drive we didn't even score half ended but like hey best defense is not even being on the field yeah uh we had 10 minute drive didn't even score the half ended So funny. Yeah. To the boys, what's your record right now? We're 1 and O starting this last week.

Let's go 1 and O. Cours are 1 in O. I love it. We got three games left and we actually could squeak into the playoffs if we win these last last four games. Well, we're division three. So we actually just beat a division one team. Big time.

Okay. Right. Got to get the kids, we got to get kids eligible. We got to get kids ready. We got to get kids to buy into the program. Yes. And it is.

you know, and I don't blame them. It's been tough, right? It's a big culture shock. And when you, our first three games were against like three juggernauts. And when they haven't won a long time, you know, you know, you don't say this, but you kind of go in, you know, it's like being a Max school playing, you know, Alabama or whatever. And, you know, you're, you're prepping like crazy, but, you know, you're not shocked if you don't win, right? Yeah. And then. week four, week five. It was way more winnable games. We were in them. And it's just like, we just got to get that win to help with the buy-in. And now that we got it, these guys are bought in. Right. Got to get another one against southeastern next week.

Big game on the road. Everybody show up. Yeah. Listen right now. You're in the area. How is the student section from Mumford? Damn, dude. Is Chandler Park Academy?

That's homecoming. I don't think that's a road game. No, it's supposed to be a home game. Okay. Looks like it's a home game. Right now the website is wrong. It says ad. I think so.

A lot of these scores are wrong too, by the way. There's one, 30 to nothing. Renaissance scored three times. How do you get 30 points and three scores? Or maybe it was four. No. They had four touchdowns, but we were. It's hilarious.

We were four for four on two-point conversion. I mean, Kaz Tech is like my freshman year. There was like 10 dudes. That's Jordan Lewis. Yeah. That whole, yeah. That was. Mike Weber.

So you guys scoreless up until the last week? We scored in the first game. Okay. But shout out Mumford, dude. Shout out Mumford. That's awesome. That's all time. I'll get this last question.

And then we can go to your talk and then we'll close shop here. So there's obviously a lot of things that you are alleged doing legally, illegally with that? Well, nothing illegal. You're allegedly, people are saying. NCAA bylaws. Right. Nothing against the Constitution.

Right. Nothing against the Constitution. So there's a lot of things that people are saying that you did. Who else in the Big Ten are you aware of are doing the same things you're being accused of doing? I'm not there, so I don't want to say exactly.

This is what this team's doing. This is what that team's doing. But there's a lot of Big Ten team. who are, you know, at that level. It's Ohio State, Ruckers, I believe Penn State, Indiana is really good. Those are probably the top four in the Big Ten who are, we're all on the same level. Yeah? Yeah.

What is, just for Wilcoffin's sake, where does Nebraska rank in this type of category? They're, I'd say they're, how many tiers are we talking here? Like if you, if you're just say five tiers, they're probably tier two, tier three. They're not bad. They're good at protecting. So they got to know at least something. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. That's good. Yeah. You want to be around that tier, tier two, tier three reach. Yeah. In your time, obviously, we, I, we've already figured out that you know who Ohio State's Conor Stallions is. Did you ever trade information with them?

Again, the only time was. not directly, I gave something to give to someone, to give to him to help him. Did they ever give anything to you? To have them win? To have them beat Michigan State to help them. Did they ever

anybody from Ohio State ever approached you about future teams or anything like that? Or was it kind of like, we just don't talk to each other? No. Zero percent. Yeah. And Ohio State had the OG calls signals

from somebody. Yeah. I mean, they definitely were utilizing stolen signals well before we were. Definitely. So you're aware of Dave Portnoy? That goes back to the 2018, 2019. You're aware of Dave Portnoy and his champagne bottles. What about them?

Are you aware of them? No. So Dave has all of his biggest enemies in the world. He has champagne bottles. And when they fall, he opens that champagne bottle and he drinks it. Who would be your number one champagne bottle? Team? Life person.

healing anybody this got to be ryan day you know yeah it's your champagne that's your champagne bottle i will tell you this you're sitting back ready to pop one open you're just waiting for the dominoes to fall we were in columbus for a spring tour last year right it would be ryan day yeah all right who would be your next champagne bottle yeah because i've oh house states like that's you guys moral enemy number one yeah yeah who would be your second champagne bottle person or team or well let's say person Two person. That's got to be up there. That would make things easier.

I mean, I'm not a fan of Michigan State. And that's not a person. But I got nothing against Jonathan Smith. He's their new head coach. Yeah. I mean, it was Mel Tucker. Before that, it was Mark D'Antonio. then Antonio was a dog.

He did a great job developing players. I respect them. Yeah. Not a fan. No. I will tell you this. I hate Michigan State more than Ohio State. I'm right there with you.

Are you really? Yes. Okay. When you grow up in the state of Michigan, you're surrounded by Sparty's not Buckeyes. So like nationally, the game, right? Obviously that's the game. Yeah. And you prepare for that game all year, no doubt.

But like when it comes down to like this is personal, Michigan State. For the state title. Yeah. All right. Tier Talk. So tier talk is, I'm all explaining to you. So we go through our top three. Okay.

You've seen it? Yeah. So you're going to start with your tier three, then go to your tier two, then your tier one. Our tier talk today is best spies. Not best spies or best spice. Best spies. So I'm ready to go. Do we have a God tier?

Do you want to say on three? One, two. Three. Connor Stallions. Okay. Connor Stallions will be our God tier. Okay. So Connor is our God tier spy.

I'm ready. They can be a movie character. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll go first. My tier three is going to be Sterling Archer from the show Archer. I think he's an alcoholic, but he always finds a way to get the job done. I think that show is incredibly well done.

I just, I love the show. He is a fantastic spy. My tier two is going to be Jason Bourne. Jason Boyd, there's been a, great spy. There's been a argument on this bus for a long time. Who would win a fight Jason Bourne or John Wick? After rewatching the Jason Bourne's, it's clear as day. This guy just stays one step ahead of everybody.

Now it would be very interesting to see based on how technology is advanced since his movies came out. They're no longer doing flip phones. if you'd be able to keep the pace. But he's my tier two. And my tier one, who would have been my God tier, given that everybody else felt the same way, is going to be James Bond. I think James Bond is the OG.

I love the fact that every 10 years or so, they just recycle the storylines, new James Bond, everything. It is just, it's all fucking time. It's all time. So that is my tier talk. Boys in the back. Bless you.

Sneaky. All hyphenated. Get some rest, Pam. You look tired. Decent. Fuck you, Jerry. Technical. Military.

Solid. You need one more to describe how I did. I'm also trying to think of my three at the same time. Elite. Okay. All right. Well, yeah. We got there.

I mean, two of my three are on there. There you go. I see. Sterling Arch with us. My tier three is going to be Kim Possible, globally fighting crime. Do what? Seems like she's got a great personality.

My tier two is going to be Harry Hart, the Kingsman, Special Agent. Good Paul, good Paul. Mentor to Gary Egsie Unwin. And my tier one, Sneak. Mickey, it's going to be the scout piece in the board game Stratego. You're able to manipulate this piece around. And when it gets exposed, it's ultimately like,

you're trying to smoke out other pieces on the board. And I love Stratigo growing up, one on one, just a chess match where you're trying to protect your flag, kind of like capture the flag, you can place bombs around it. And then there are ranks from like one all the way to maybe 10, maybe eight, but then there's a scout piece. I can kind of move around, maneuver around.

that you want to smoke out. And I'm going to go with the scout piece. Hyphenated frontrunner. Frontrunner. Almost. Dun dun dun dun dun. Hyphenated first half team. Hyphenated lost me.

Nerd. Whatever. Bidges. Bitches. Interesting. Thank you. I'm going to go number three, spy kids. Okay.

I was checking them out. Yeah. You know, it's got to be the first spy movie I've ever watched. Yeah. Number two, I got to go to James Bond. And number one, born. Like born? Yep.

You like Born over Wick? Yes. That's all I need to hear. Gay? Oh, yeah. Inspector Gadget It's a good one It's a good one

There's a lot out there though There is Well the best ones you can't talk about Correct Yeah We've been in the spy museum No We did

I have been in the spy museum Well played And thanks for coming My one word Manifesto Mm Detailed Pro

Calculative Classic. Classics. Highfinated all business. Boys, let's give a round of applause for Conachial. Literally contacted you Friday. You're here on Monday. I really appreciate you coming in, the insight, everything.

It has been a little sweat the nation. All the things that happen to come out of that manifesto of yours. We appreciate you taking the time to sit down with us. Yes, sir. And this is your first, like, long form interview since all of it, right? Besides the documentary. Besides my nine-hour master interview for the documentary. Yeah.

Yeah, man, thank you. This was, I enjoyed every minute. Oh, yeah. I would have, I would have enjoyed being in the trenches with you and playing for you. I would have loved every fucking minute of it. Well, Compton's the slobercy. Do you have, I was going to say, do you have high school eligibility. Yes, sir, coach.

Yeah, I need. But also, I know you want to give me the ball. Well, maybe we can pull the guard and hand it off to them. No doubt. Southeastern, watch out. Southeastern, watch out. All right, boys, big hugs, ten of kisses. Please subscribe.

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