Bussin' With The Boys - Connor Zilisch & Jesse Love Are NASCAR's Next Great Rivalry + Their Journey To NASCAR | Racin'

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

Recorded: June 16th 2026 | Welcome back to another episode of Racin’ With the Boys. This week we have two future stars of NASCAR with Connor Zilch and Jesse Love. Connor is a rookie in the Cup Series and races for Trackhouse Racing. Connor gets into what his rookie season has been like and how difficult it has been for him to learn the differences from the O’Reilly series and Cup. He also shares his story of how he got into racing and what the process was like coming up through the ranks and eventually getting called up to the big leagues. With Connor on the show, the boys had to poke a little fun at him when he fell of his car in victory lane and broke his collarbone/knocked himself out. Connor give his side of the story on what happened and it’s not a story you’re going to want to miss. Jesse Love is the defending O’Reilly series champion and actually beat Connor last year in order to win the title. The two of them get into the feelings that followed after Jesse won. These two are best friends and Connor had such a historic season so for him ot fall short, on top of losing to his best friend was tough. Jesse gets into his journey through NASCAR and how he moved from California to Charlotte, NC at the age of 15 and basically lived by himself. He talks about the trials and tribulations of living on his own at such a young age. Jesse is also one of the drivers in the O’Reilly series that it looking to move up into the Cup series. He talks about what all goes into contract negotiations and how it works for him to be called up. These two have a great head on their shoulders and are definitely going to become a household name in the future of NASCAR. Tap in and enjoy fellas.   0:00 Intro2:46 Jesse Winning The Championship Over Connor 7:39 The Beginning Of Their Friendship10:36 Jesse Moving Away From Home14:59 Connor: "dale Jr. Doesn't Know He's Dale Jr."16:32 Big Video Game Guys 20:54 Crew Members Getting Suspended 22:29 When Did Does It Start To Feel Like A Career?29:16 The Difficulty Of Being A Rookie In NASCAR34:13 NASCAR Superstitions38:38 Connor's Most Viral Moment43:49 Connor Got Credit For A Race Win He Didn’t Win48:57 Jesse Connor fights 52:03 Inside Ball Of NASCAR Of Drafting1:03:13 Getting Called Up1:09:32 Ryan Blaney Going Undercover1:12:54 Strawberry Moon?1:14:29 Worst Crash In NASCAR History?1:18:04 Connor’s First Word1:20:31 Star Struck Racing Someone?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But as far as, like, professional sports, these two might be the youngest here. We got Connor Zillich, and we also have Jesse Love. Everybody give a round of applause for the boys. And Connor, you're a, you're a rookie, technically, right? In the Cup Series. Like, in the Cup Series, you're a rookie. Jesse, you're still in the O'Reilly series, correct? Formerly known as Xfinity.

Formerly known as Xfinity. Beat Conner's ass in the championship last year. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yes right. People said that. People were, we were reading comments and they're like, yeah, that one guy, he, Jesse beat Carter's ass. And so we're just the messengers in that situation. One weekend.

One weekend. Isn't that crazy? Because you were, what, 43 points behind going into. Well, it's basically there's a point reset before the last round. It's like the NFL. So it's basically, whoever wins the Super Bowl. So you won regular season. Yeah.

Connor won regular season. You get into playoffs. This kid's the one seat. Everyone's hooting and hollering. And Jesse's just in the shadows, man, training. Just lurking. Just lurking around, dude. Or, Connor, in your mind, when Jesse won, are you like, it's bullshit that he gets the championship?

Knowing that you won 10 races. Here's it. Here's a, can I break it down on my brain? No, I'll break that down. We're on Mario Kart, N64. We're doing the Mushroom Cup. You win Luigi's Raceway. You win Moomoo Track.

You win, what's the other? The beach. And then you go into the desert on the final race. You won the first three. And then Jesse comes in, wins the final in the desert. But you would still win technically the entire Mushroom Cup because you won the first three races. But I didn't. And I was salty, but I can't be mad at the guy.

He did nothing wrong. Because you won 10 races that year. How many did you get, Jesse? I got DQed in one of them. Two wins. I got three trophies. Two wins. So then when you're in the final championship race,

Jesse takes it home. Jesse, are you kind of giving him a little smile, smirk in a side eye? Like, hey, you want to touch it? You want to touch the trophy? No, I mean, I think at the end of the day, he was. He asked me in the next day. He goes, are you mad at me? So here's the deal, right?

We didn't think this through. We shared an Airbnb that week, not thinking like... Because we all... Because we have to stay in Phoenix for the banquet. Like, and we're like, oh, we'll just share... You guys are boys, good friends. Yeah, we'll just share an Airbnb. I'm not realizing, like, one of us is going home.

Salty, right? So I think that for me, I was obviously, you know, so pumped, but, you know, I still, as a friend could imagine what was going through Connor's mind, right? So I felt for him, even though I was, you know, pumped up for myself. But yeah, we got back to the Airbnb the next day. I was like, are you mad at me? He was like, no. I was like, do you want to talk about it? He was like, nope. He set you down in the living room. Yeah, that's fine. Well, I was in the bedroom and my girlfriend getting ready to, you know, go out somewhere with Connor. He walks in, and I hear the door

opened up and I'm like, oh shit, right? So I walk into his room and that's when I asked him that. He was like, all right, so then we put it to rest. And honestly, we haven't really talked about it, You know, unless we're in a setting like this. So kind of knowing that you were a little salty, what made you, what was, what was, where was the saltiness come from? Knowing that you won 10 and you're like, God damn it. Why couldn't I just,

yeah, I mean, it was just like all this work I did all year long was for nothing. Because I mean, I won all these races and we had such a good year and, I don't know, I just wasn't clutch enough. Just two boys.

It's always the ones closest to you that's stabby, right? The last second. Did anything happen in this race? You're like, this motherfucker. No, I wasn't, like, I was just, He was faster. I mean, he passed me. I don't know.

It was like 30 laps ago. I was leading and he passed me and I couldn't do anything about it. I was just slower. And that was it. That was it. His crew chief brought him a cheater car for that weekend. Really? So it's really on the crew chief.

Was you aware? He was cheating. Were you aware of the cheating car? It wasn't. I mean, what is what MJ say unless you just make excuses? True problem. There you go. True pro.

Jesse, when you are passing him, are you like, you know, is there anything in your guys is like friendship relationship where you're passing. You kind of got a little shitting and grin on your face. Bubba and Blaney will do like a little, they'll do like a little shocker out there. Yeah, what do you guys? Every time, I mean, we always, for some reason, would start races next to each other.

And we would always just like, I mean, you can only do it out the driver window, but we'd always flip each other off, like out the window before the race. Yeah. Just before the start of the race. Yeah. Jesse, after you win this championship,

you hoist the cup, how long did it take for it to sit in your head that your boy may or may or may not, be mad at you, which I think we're finding out the answer was yes, but in the moment. I mean, you know, props to Connor. He had the courage of being a friend to, like, walk up to me in Victory Lane, like that night. And, you know, he was still happy for me as much as he was hurting, right? So, like, I knew from the second that I saw him, like, you know, he was hurting, but he was still happy for me. But I still knew, like, I didn't want to talk to him about it, really. I don't

want to, you know, poke the air. I walked up on the stage and, like, his whole family's there and his whole team's there. And, like, I was just going to say, like, good job to Jen. Yeah, I was like, I just got done crying. Like, I was all beat up. And, like, his whole team was like, oh, my God, we won to me. And I was like, like, they were trying to celebrate with me. And I was like, I'm not here to celebrate, guys. I'm just here to say good job and get out.

Yeah, yeah, shake a hand and go, you. Get that good PR. Make sure someone gets a nice photo. Yeah, make sure the cameras were all. Yeah, yeah, got to have that. What is, um, just let me end to that love story of you guys. How did you guys become friends? How did you meet?

Dude, when's the first time you guys knew that this is the one. Yeah. Like he's the one I want to split an Airbnb with you in Arizona. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're sitting there. Maybe they run across you other, there's a lunch. Maybe you two are dating somebody other, somebody else. This is my story.

So we, I was at the go cart track. I was racing for Toyota at the time. And we go to this, there's this car track. Yeah. This is a cart track by our house and we'll be trained there, right? And they brought Connor and you were 13, 14? 14, yeah. And he was like there to like coach me and like other, I mean, I think Christopher

Bell was there, Corey Heim was there, other good guys. Because that's what I grew up doing. I grew up racing go carts. And like all these guys grew up racing dirt and ovals. And like that was kind of where I came from. So I would do it for fun and just like coach all these guys because I thought it was cool. So they bring him to coach us and I was like this kid is not coaching me. I was fresh out of California like QG Go. Like you know, didn't have a growth mindset. And I was like this kid is not coaching me. And I hated him for like the first, you know, 30 minutes and then saw him drive. And I could not believe like what a actual like world champion go carter looks like. Uh, he had. And I hated him for like the first, you know, It was a whole different level compared to what me and Christopher and Corey Himer doing. And from that point on, I was like, man, this kid's pretty good. And then, you know, you know, time showed like we listen to the same music. We do the same things for fun. We got the same sense of humor. And then from that point on, like, we just kind of got along well.

But at first, I was, like, pretty turned off by the idea of him because it was like, Toyta brought this way younger kid into, like, coach us, like made no sense. And how old were you, Connor? I was like 14 or 15 at the time. I'm three years older than you? No, you're only like a year and a half. Yeah, okay. Got a younger cat coming in to coach you up.

Yeah. He's like this son of a bitch. He wasn't a fan. He's like go carts too. Yeah. Well, people don't realize like the kids that grew up racing go carts are so good. Like that is, it's a whole different world. You know, you can grow up racing dirt.

You can grow up racing quarter midgets and things like that. But the kids that come from racing go carts, I mean, from a 10 years old age, like they're on a whole different level, especially road racing. Can you pull up a, what was that, road midgett? What did you call it? Quarter midgett. Yeah, there's quarter midgets. Let me take a peek at one of those. I never raised that.

Because you know what a go-kart looks like, but don't look up Zillich's quarter-minute. Yeah, I never race something. Just delete Zillich and Connor. Yeah. That's what a quarter, that's what I grew up racing. Oh, that thing is sick. Oh, okay. But you're wide open.

You're never lifting. So there's really no technique involved, honestly. Oh, really? These are, so this is your basic level car. Yeah, it's like bottom, like six-year-olds. Because I did, I messed around with those yurf dogs when I was. I was younger. Yerf dogs.

Oh, you've never seen a Yerf dog go cart, dude? Got it for like my 12th birthday. Type in Yerf dog. I don't even know how... Dog spells over a go cart. I think that's what it's called. Had it for three days. Broke it.

Yeah. Just a good... You didn't mess around with that. You're telling you right there. I didn't have that. I was dirt racing out in Arizona doing that whole thing. I didn't have that. Yeah.

Skinned up my knee pretty bad. I was overward after that. Jesse, what goes into the move to come out to go out east at 15 years old? So I signed a contract, Toyota, probably when I was like 13, but we re-signed when I was like 15. And in my contract when I was 15 said I, you know, I got to be at the shop. I got to be at the SIM. And basically, without saying it, it said I have to live out in North Carolina. So my family is, you know, my mom, my dad, all their business. My mom, like, hires and attorneys at a law firm. My dad has some real estate

in California. Like, we couldn't, they couldn't leave. So I had to move out by myself when I was, you know, when I was 15 and got an apartment near the gym near the sim. And, uh, for the first six months, I would like Uber or ride my bike. And then are you living by yourself? I had, uh, my dad's like kind of, you know, right hand man. Um, one of my best friends, Dustin Edge who, like was there. He was there to make sure I was, you know, okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're a 15 year old living out in an apartment. So it's basically like living my friend, you know. How does that shit work with like school and stuff? Uh, I did online. We don't do that. We don't do that. I did online. high school. Yeah, but I went to like public school, middle school and everything else.

Boys dialed in. Now is that because in your mind, you know like racing is always, was always the goal? Yeah, I think when I, since I was 10, I'd try to, you know, become a professional in it. And I've always had one goal, right, to be a Cup Series driver. So, I mean, why would? If you want to play guitar, you go to Nashville, right? If you want to race, you go to, you go to North Carolina. My dad didn't want me to be 18 making my first step to like the big leagues like truck, Xfinny or cup and also be learning how to like move out and be on your own and like not have your support system. So honestly, even though the first, you know, year and a half was, I mean, terrible from a, from a person's standpoint of like being

alone for the first time. I mean, it set me up for success when I was, you know, how old I am now. Yeah. How was the decision, like how quickly a decision was it made? You talked about sitting next to similar. I need to be in North Carolina. Like, oh, that's basically what I have to do. Like, who, was it you that was like, I need to go and do this? Or was it your parents kind of like pushing you towards that? No, you put yourself in my shoes. If you can move out at 15 and be on your own and like go out to North Carolina and do whatever you want, of course you're going to do it right away. Like I want to do it from the second I read the contract. I was like, absolutely get me out there. But my mom, my dad were, you know, it was more of a decision on their

part. My dad knew that's what I had to do. My mom though, it was, you know, took some convincing. So you never had any fear being like, I'm going to move to the other side of the country. You don't know, you don't know. So I didn't know what that meant. Like, even like doing your own laundry and like, you know, having to make your own food, like, super small things like that that, you know, mean nothing when you're, you know, 25, 30 years old now. When you're, like, having to do it for your first time by yourself and, like, you don't have your family there to, like, take care of you and to talk to you at the end of the day and all that stuff. Like, there's so many tiny little things that make moving out when you're 15, like, really hard. I got some friends now or back then when I was 15 that I couldn't imagine them being by

themselves. You know what I'm talking about, right? Like, I mean, it was- You're basically talking about me. Like, if I was 15, you're like, I'm gonna die out here. I would die. I wouldn't know it. But I think I would be homesick fairly often in that first year. Was it like that for you? Do you guys met the first year? No. No, it was a few years later. Like, you probably moved out, what? 15, so probably, I was probably 17 when I met you, probably two years in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was really hard. I thought it was so cool. I was like, damn, I got a friend with his own house.

I know where I'm going. Yeah, this seems like an easy little deal. At any point, did you ever think, like, I need to go back to California? Or was it always like, I'm homesick? I don't like this, but I know it's for the best. Yeah, I had a couple patches because racing wasn't going that well for me at the time, too. I was struggling pretty bad. So, like, I had really nothing working for me.

And it was really, really challenging. And, yeah, I just, I always felt like, hey, I can, you know, if I just don't give up, up, right? Like maybe I can make it all work out and pan out and just, you know, endure the suck for a little bit. And then probably when I was 18, and honestly, once I met a good friend group, right, I met Connor. I met my friend Brent Cruz. Once I met guys like that, my life, you know, kind of turned back around. And that's when I won a championship in 20, 23 with ARCA. That's when things started to click for me. What was it like the first time you met Dale Jr.? Because you race for him now, correct? Both of you guys, you guys on the same.

No. Oh, I race for Dale. When it says, JRN. I race for JRM last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I race for Richard Shoulders Racing. Got you.

That's on me. Hey, hand up. That's okay. That's racing with the boys. It's part of it. Racing with the boys. We're learning a process. It's a beautiful thing.

So Dale Jr. Well, let me, let me do that. Connor, was it like, uh, Maine and Dale Earnhardt for the first time, dude. It was sick. He's,

I mean, just, I was so nervous the first time. Like, I actually met and talked to him. Like I was kind of starstruck. Yeah. And then as like I've gotten to know him and, you know, work with him, uh, that race was in Pocono

last year. My crew chief got, uh, my crew chief got suspended for a race. We had too many lug nuts loose the race before you get suspended. And Dale was actually, Dale stepped in and was my crew chief for the race. No way. And, um, that race was really cool. Um, but just like now, knowing him as a, like I don't know, he's just a friend and, and, you know, I was on his podcast this morning.

and I don't know. It was different at first because I looked up to him and was like Starstruck and now I see him as like a buddy of mine and he's just like a good dude. He's got that ability and part of you too when you're getting to know him.

You don't, I don't know if he realizes he's Dale Earnhardt Jr. No, he doesn't. And that's the coolest part about it. Famous guys don't realize they're famous. You don't know like how much pull you actually have in the community you're involved.

That's the coolest part about Dale. Like he's just, if you'd met him and talk to him, you would never know he was somebody. Yeah. He's just a down-to-earth. Good dude. You ever get the invite to play college football against him?

I did, dude. I got invited to the dynasty. I'm going to do it when the, what is it, 27 comes out. I think Dale quit, though. I think he quit the dynasty league. He quit his team. We saw him at Nashville, and he was bitching and complaining about his boys. Because the league got mad at him because of how much he does.

He's so a stupid. Dude, he's a good. I believe the phrase. Yeah, we play 2K in my bus every week. Really? I cook it every time. No, last week was brutal, dude. I won't like 10 and 12.

It was bad. I was sitting there. I was punishment, dear. I was playing 2K University trying to like learn everything. What's 2K university? Like the tutorials on 2K. Oh, no way. To learn like everything.

Euroseps and like the triple thread where they call it and stuff. And then I went to actually play and like put it to good use and like, I was so bad. God. Yeah. The 2K games. The 2K. 2K NCAA, like I've never been good at those.

But like you brought a Mario card earlier. like the N64. Do you play Mario Kart? Dude. Bro, me and my crew guys, so we fly on these team planes every week and they don't have Wi-Fi. So all my,

me and my entire team, there's nine of us and we all have switches. And we just, every plane ride, we just sit, we all sit in the back of the plane and we play Mario Card on the switches

all the way to and from the track because we have no signal. Of course you do. It's so fuck. It's so fun. But Loki, it kind of paces me off because like,

I need you guys to go through getting an N-64 and realizing the game's not working and blowing in the cartridge and putting it back in the back. You need to pull up the N64. You don't know what the 864 is? Talking about.

Dude, this is the greatest video game console you'll ever see. You've never seen that before. Oh my gosh. No. Buddy, hey. Let me put you on a little game here, dude. I'd have to be from me, if you were my TV, like, you're the distance. Like, that's as far as I could get.

There are cords, cords involved. I'd have to go and like push it in. That one on the right there, James Bond. That one's a different ball game right there. And shit doesn't just get saved to the game. You had to have memory cards back then. Bro, you had to take it and you had to plug it into. the back. My dad just bought actually, now I know you're talking about an N64 to play golden eye.

I think he's that's the goal that that last photo. It's also in the second row right there. 007 all the way to left all the way left. That one right there. Yeah that game right there. That'll ruin friendships. That one that one right there. It'll root for it. And it's dude. It's the best game because you're just running and it's from the point of view of a guy and a guy will come near you and it'll just aim for you. And that's basically like who can just pull the trigger the fastest. Screen peek in the whole time. Oh yeah. Yeah. People are like, oh, you're cheating, your screen looking. It's like, no, I'm not.

But it's all on one screen. You have to get it done. Like, I mess with more, like, this is where you guys need to get, dude. You got to get back into this. You got to start getting into this? Yeah, step back in time a little bit. But how they're going to do it on the plane? Dude, they have team planes.

Get on their TV, have a little USB program. Our team planes ain't what you think they are. I'm thinking about some immaculate shit. You're thinking NFL team plane. We're thinking NASCAR team plane. Our NFL team planes were just like a united flight that they just like, hey, can we borrow this? That's nice, what we got. What's y'all got?

We like, we have like old challenge. Do you know like the little, little embryo jets that they fly like regional? They go like two hours out of commercial airports. Pull up one of those jets. Just like an embryo. It's just time. It's tough. It's your right there.

No, it ain't that nice, man. Listen, let me. How old are you? Like 2000 or 1995. Yeah, it's like 1990. Connor, how old do you? I'm 19. You're 19.

How old are you? 21. Okay, so guys, 19 and 21, right? That's over selling. And you guys are flying on planes, weekend and week out to go to races. I ain't complaining. Sounds like it sounded a little like you're coming out a little bit.

That's nice. Is that what you're flying on right there? What are you guys going to World War II wars right now? That thing is sick. It ain't that bad. Even that's nicer, dude. That might be nice. But I will say I understand the Switch game now.

I understand the switch. One last thing on Nintendo 64, I would definitely get that and then play Super Smash Bros. That is the greatest game of all time, dude. Because it's all on one map. You don't have a screen peek nothing and you guys just get after it.

You're like the Jamie on the Joe Rogan podcast that always pulls up to... There you go. That's the second week in a row. You've gotten that reference. Pull it up, Jamie. Yeah. Connor, you were talking about your crew chief. He gets suspended for loose lug nuts.

Yeah. And Dale had to go and take over as your crew chief. what's wrong with loose lug nuts? Is there something? Does it help your car? No, it doesn't. It's just unsafe. It's a safety thing.

So it can make the pit stops faster because in O'Reilly, you have five lug nuts. And the tire changers, if you only hit three, your pit stops can be faster. So you can hit three. And as long as there's three on it, it'll be safe. If you have two, you're probably not going to make it. But three is faster than five for the picker guys. Yeah, yeah. But wheels fall off and that's when you.

Yeah. It's a safety thing and just like repercussion for, you know, it's not the crew chief's fault that there were lug nuts loose, but they just make the penalty big so that people don't do it. But yeah, we were trying to figure out who's going to crew chief the thing. And my crew chief was at the track, but he was just like in the Chevy hauler, like on the radio watching from 100 feet away. Yeah. But Dale was the one that I was on the pit box and was talking to me on the radio.

So it was cool. I mean, it's pretty fun when you have Dale in your ear, like telling you what to do and giving you advice. His calm voice. Yeah, dude. And he, I was racing for him in Pocono this weekend in the O'Reilly series, and he hopped on my radio. He's like, hey, man, how's it going? That's awesome. I was just like, oh, hey, Dale.

And it was like right after I had just gotten done, like, crying about how bad the car was. And I was like, hopefully you didn't hear me there five minutes ago. He's like, nah, man, you're all good. We all heard you. Yeah, we hear everything. For you guys being as young as you are, because I feel like you're doing exactly how I'd be doing it. Like you're putting all your time and energy into your craft into racing.

Then when you get free time, it's playing 12 games over the weekend and going 12 and 0 or 0 and 12. But for you guys, when does it start to click in your head that it's not a dream anymore? It's more of a career now. I look at it like it'll never be a job to me. Like, I don't know. I'm sure you guys felt the same way. playing football. I mean, it's a lot of work, but like, dude, there's so many people that, so many kids in the grandstand, so many kids that would be so willing to switch spots with me.

And every time I like start to be like, man, why am I doing this? Like, I hate this. We're running like shit every week. And then I'm like, man, there's so many people that would switch spots with me right now. And that's kind of what motivates me. And it's like, I'll never work a day in my life if I do this stuff because I love it so much. And I have so much fun doing it. but it's it's a stressful life like any pro sport like people don't fans people don't realize how cutthroat and stressful it is but um the the reward of doing well and winning is it makes up for it i love how about for you jesse yeah i think Connor said it perfectly man at the day like like he said like we're not getting paid to to drive cars right we're getting paid for like all the

other stuff that comes along with it with the lifestyle of it but um you know i think for me as well. I mean, Connor, again, put it perfectly, but there's nothing, the work that goes into it, like, I think we all enjoy it as well. Even, you know, when you have so much motivation of, like, why you're doing this, right? Like, I think we all want to be, you know, great or be one of the greats. And maybe that's the separator. But I think that, you know, when you have that motivation of, you know, wanting to be great, that the pre-race meetings, the post-race meetings, a sim time, the work you put into it, the training that goes into it. It's just like any other athlete, right? Just like for you guys, just like for any guy playing pro ball, like we're all motivated

to be great, right? So that's where it doesn't feel like work. You know what I mean? Work is, you know, sitting in front of a computer at a desk job, right? You know, I think what we're doing is we're trying to get better. And there's a lot of, I guess, fulfillment that comes with that. Yeah, it's really well said. Because you, when you were talking about like, yeah, I'm sure you guys felt the same way. Like there are, I mean, I think towards the end of your career, you kind of, at least for me, I like lost a little bit of that where you're like it did feel like more like a job your body hurts a little bit more and you're like kind of like not realize you're not smelling the flowers as much as you should yeah it's but like when you're first in it it's like it's a greatest thing in the world then you have like you gain perspective as you get older too and you're away from the game and you're like oh that was actually never a job at all it was way into like in our with playing football it's like when you see guys getting cut and everything else it's like you guys are still I mean how you said 19 and 21 and It's like when we're coming to the league, I was 23, you might have been 22. Oh, you drafted, I was 21.

My first year old. But like as you get in for a couple of years and you're seeing vets and just the responsibility of having to have like a, this is my career. I need to treat it as such with the work habits, the routines and everything else. There's like a growing up you have to do in some areas to where it's like the dream part, you just realize the dream can be over tomorrow if you take it too lightly. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like if you're having too much fun about. it or two lax about it. Like you're not taking it serious enough. And then you do get caught to where you're like an error repeater. And the next thing you know, those guys are gone. So you have to kind of, you know. You've a little bit of a pair of having fun. Yeah.

But there is like an anxiety that takes over because you're trying to not only survive, but thrive at your position. Yeah. Because you are on the contracts, correct? Yeah. Like it's the same as the NFL. You get two, three year contracts. Do you guys, are they fully guaranteed contracts?

Like that money is not going to go away? Yeah. Most of the time, yes. Yeah, unless you do something stupid. Right. So if you have like, if you sign a three-year contract, you have a tough year one, you're like, I'll have two years. If you have a tough year or two, you have like, oh, I have next year to get that done like for us.

And when your guarantee runs out, it's like every year's a one-year contract. And if you get hurt or play bad or whatever, it's just like he said, like you'll be. You're done. You'll be out of there, bro. It's, there's a lot of parallels and there's also a lot of differences too because there's 53 guys. And I think there's a lot more kids that grow up playing football and their kids that grow up racing. So there's always the demand or the supply is there. You know, what is, what are the grueling parts of your job that you're like, okay, this is why they're paying me.

I think Dion Sanders might have said that like, you pay me to practice. I'll put the games for free. Was that Woodson? One of those legendary players said that. I can't remember. I remember Rodman said, I was watching the documentary our day. We remember Rodman saying we don't get paid to play. We get paid for all the bullshit that goes along with it.

Yeah. You know what is some of the bullshit that you're like, all right, this is where the grind is. and you have to do those things. You do things you hate like you love them. Man, I don't feel like I hate any of it, honestly. I mean, I think that Connor has a lot more media stuff this year than I do, him being a rookie in the cup series and everything. But I don't feel any sort of like, you know, annoyance with having to do the work

that comes along with the job. Honestly, I like talking to the media. Like, I like doing the media stuff. I like, you know, sitting down. Like what he's in right there is called bullpen, right? I enjoy doing the bullpen. I enjoy going to, you know, certain appearances. there are some appearances, right, that can be grueling.

But even the sim work that goes along with it, you know, we're in the sim, you know, a session, the simulator is about three and a half hours. Usually have like one or two of those a week, which that can be brutal too. But I've been able to kind of flip it around like, I don't know, where it just feels like I'm getting better, right? Like I'm growing. And for me, that's where I find my fulfillment. So I don't ever feel, honestly, any part of the job is frustrating.

The worst part of it is when you have a terrible race or something happens like, We were at Walkins Glen this year and Connor passed me in the last corner and was the race. And the second I got out of the car, there's a hundred cameras around, right? And like, I'm still a person. Like, I still got to deal with, like, I guess processing what just happened. And you don't have time to do that, right? You have to immediately represent your sponsors well, represent your team well, represent yourself well, and all the people around you.

And that's probably the hardest part of it is showing up and having something like that happened. And then immediately having cameras in your face without being able to, like, humanize yourself yet and process emotions. Yeah. Because they have like rules in the NFL where like when games in, let's say you play terrible or something crazy happens. Like you, there's a five to 10 minute buffer. Before they can go.

Like the PRT, when I pull you the side, be like, hey, they're going to come. They're probably going to talk to you about this. Be prepared for X, Y, and Z. So getting out of the car after somebody passes you or it doesn't go your way, it's got to be very difficult to sit there and put on a face because then there's the overthinking portion of,

hey, if I like seem like I'm too happy about it, I might take my job too serious and all that stuff that can kind of weigh in the back of your head. Carter, for you, like, what's it like being a rookie in the Cup series? Like, how is, what, yeah, I want to know from your perspective about like these guys, these old dogs that, like, kind of know the unwritten rules. And there's always this like, it seems like the enemy of NASCAR in a lot of ways,

which I'm a huge fan of this host of our guy who like doesn't give it. I love him. Oh, you love him. You're a huge fan. I'm a big fan. Huge fan. I'm as big of a fan. He's 77.

He's 77. Then I, you just hear guys are like, guy doesn't give a shit. Like, he's not worried about you. liking him or nothing like that. I was waiting for when he was going to come up. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's going to be brought up as long as I'm doing this show. Okay. And he rocks sevens. That was my number as well. But this dude just, it seems like there's like rules that are like unwritten that every driver kind of like learns to understand as you come through. And this guy's, yeah, exactly. And he's like, no, dude, fuck those rules. I'm going to I'm out here to win and race. So like what,

how has it been this season for you? Yeah. I mean, the, the cup series is no joke. Like, It would be, you know, the best way I can put it is, you know, going from like high school straight to the NFL or like just skipping college and taking the big jump. I mean, it's not even possible. You used to be able to do it in basketball, but now you can't even do that. So, but yeah, I mean, it's just like the competition level is so much higher. The drivers are so much better. The teams are so much better.

It's just, it's, there's no, like, there's no way to explain the challenge of going from Saturdays to Sundays in our in our in our in our sport but yeah I mean the best way I can put it is it's so difficult like everybody is so good you never you can never outsmart a guy like I could last year you can never find a guy and he's in a bad spot and or you can't put people in bad spots as easily but I mean that's the that I love the challenge of it like it's hard but you know it's making me better and not only challenge me on the track, but like off the track as well, because, you know, everywhere I've been in my career, like, I've won. Like, it's, it's kind of become, it was almost normal to me to, like, show up to the track every weekend and be like, I'm going to win this weekend.

And then I get to this, and I haven't even finished top 10 once this year. And it's like, it's just such a shock to me, like, how difficult it is. And, you know, having to change expectations and just figure it out. And you'll get there soon. Don't worry. But even going, even going from, It's like Jesse for you, like coming out West and even going into the Xfinity and now O'Reilly series, like every level you go up. It's like in high school, like being the better player, like the best player on the field, if you would mess up, you would never like feel any consequential thing because it's like, okay, Will's going to go out there and make plays. But then when you get to college and if I was in high school and say messed up a front call, oh, Will, we're going to call it this way because they're catering to me because I'm the better player. In college, you mess up a call the level of urgency of the entire team around you

to where you feel like, hey, young buck, you better figure it out. Like, this isn't, it's not a high school anymore. Right. Then you get to the NFL and you feel like, you know, guys get cut and the urgency just goes up even higher and the level of competition goes up even higher to where you've just got to be dialed it on your shit

to where it's like, all right, I'll have to put down the video game for an extra hour tonight because I need to be ready to go for tomorrow's practice in the football world. To where I'm sure there's elements of responsibilities, even thinking beyond yourself and thinking about how I have to carry myself for the entire team because it's not just about me being upset

if I lose a race back home in California anymore. Or when you come out, you're on the lower levels out in North Carolina. The higher you climb, the more just, hey, buddy, you are the best one from your pool of drivers, but now you're in the best of the best, and it's not even about you anymore. You have an entire team around you toward the pit crews off. If you make a wrong, I'm just going to say wrong turn, wrong left turn. Just anything. Everything seems so urgent and so like you're just hyper aware at the highest level.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, and every mistake you make is magnified. You hear about it more. Like, just every good thing and bad thing you do. Like, you hear more about it. And everything is followed closer.

Every move you make. Stakes are higher. Yeah. Everything is just, everything is more challenging and more looked at. Yeah. It's like if you fucked up when you're younger. I love the pressure of it. Yeah.

Only you know. or not only you, but you know you messed up, but everybody kind of moves on. When you're at the higher levels, it's you're thinking about how you messed up every day because you have to get it corrected for the next time you go out there. Yeah.

It's nuts, man. Oh, shit. I was kind of just listening to your cookup. I was just in there. Because I'm trying to also put myself in there, in their mind too, like when you're on race day, even when you play, even when you're racing on Saturdays,

and then even Sundays, it's like everything around you probably feels like it moves so fast at times. Yeah. They're like, okay, I got to figure out the humanizing factor. I got to figure out how to compartmentalize it a little quicker because coaches gave me this tip for next week. And it seems like I've got to fucking be on it. Yeah.

I mean, we've even got to follow astrology now. Like it's kind of crazy. The crescent shit, which I still have no clue. The waxing crescent. Yeah. Which, by the way, there's a waxing crescent right now in San Diego. Like, or tonight there will be a waxing. It won't affect us this weekend.

Yeah. It's a three-day, three-day period, I think. Yeah. When you all were talking about that last week, I sat here. I had no fucking clue what you guys were talking about. You don't know. That's the thing. I just said a straw.

It doesn't affect the football stuff at all. No, well, yeah. Does the ball fly a little more? I don't know. I was always walking. I was a glorified security guard in there. I was kind of just there to, you know, no white, you know, no white tees in the club kind of kind of kind of trying to toss guys out of there.

But yeah, waxing crescent's taking place. Kind of nice right now, but you're, I mean, let me ask you this about the wax and crescent. There's only a three-day shelf life on this thing. So you guys get there to Sunday, Saturday Sunday. It's lost. Is it more slick now? It's lost. Yeah, it's lost its juice.

Yeah, lost its juice, man. It's tough. I mean, it would have to have it. So it would have you better grip or it's more slippery. Wax and crescent's more grip. Three-day shelf life. So it's Tuesday right now. Yeah.

The truck race might be gripped up Friday. Yeah? All right, that's good. Or is that Saturday? I don't even know. So your turns are just easier? Yeah, yeah. The waxing crescent just gives you more grip.

It's faster. You don't have to get this long. The gravitational pull. I mean, that's just, yeah. I mean, tides going in and out. The moon affects a lot of shit. Yeah. You wouldn't get it.

I mean, it's just, it's a different world. It's a totally different world. Now are you guys double-socked up because it's a road race? Yeah, I wear both socks. No, no. You don't do that. I rod-dog it. Oh, you're a rod-dogger.

You have no socks on right now. No, I have no socks on right now. I have no socks right now. I have no socks. Really? Why? Just don't do it. Because you don't give a fuck.

He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. He's breaking the mold. You just have more fuel. That sock thing when I realized that that was bullshit. It's bullshit. Hold on.

What are you talking about? That's real. I'm sitting there watching the tape back from Briscoe last week. And we should have known when he was like, I've been doing it my whole life when you asked some questions. I've been doing it my whole life. And then that question came back around. Then he's like, oh, I started to do it when the vets told me about it when I got to the NASCAR.

And when I'm watching the tape back, I'm like, I should have fucked. But I'm thinking it's no big like, I don't fucking know about your guys's world. Like maybe you guys do have that superstition of like, I got to wear a sock on my foot. Dude, we were out, what was it? St. Louis when I threw out that wild first pitch and there we were like watching the dudes hit BP and one guy had his bat up and I went to go touch the bat and one of the guys is like you probably shouldn't you should ask yeah and I go up to the he was a catcher and I'm like hey can I cut your bet he's like no don't touch the bat and then he's somebody who wears doesn't wash and wears like

the same jock strap or underwear all season not all season but for a certain period of time oh we don't got to show it chef we don't got to show it oh did you hit dirt buddy I I almost hit but you see me get a couple worst first pitch of all time well that's come on man it's debatable right here and listen oh my goodness we're gonna take full accountability for that but i will show you this right here you see that's the uc.l oh my gosh so it slides out a little bit you're not a man of excuses I'm not a man of excuses but I'm not having this is I'm changing the subject injuries collarbone right athletes you and me it happens right it happens so sometimes things just happen when you throw it when my thumb is how that happen too much security guarding i would i

want to you to punch a guy and i punched too high and it caught his face mask caught my thumb and brought it but like during it was during it was actually harold landry that did that to me well i did harran and i my hand felt real warm so i pulled my glove off my thumb just dropped and so they went x-ray it wasn't broken but it was just torn and they're like hey you got it'll be six to eight weeks if you want to get surgery on that you'll probably miss like the first two or three games So what'd you do? Yeah, they put a little like molded a brace on it. Yeah, got it back in the place.

Yeah. That's where it goes back. Okay, chef. Come on, chef. What are we doing, guys? I was looking for the hand injury. A preseason game. Don't worry, but no, no.

That was, it was actually in just a bit on the stretcher for that. Yeah, I went on the stretcher for that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a full moon. Did you ask you get put on the stretcher? Yeah, I was like, he always did.

Yeah, he has mine carrying me over. I could see that affecting me walking ability. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know how the whole body's connected. Like you said, you take your socks because you want to feel everything more. My body needs to fully rest in order to recover completely. Yeah, I got to put on a stretcher. No, you didn't.

Yeah, when? When I fell. No, you did. You got knocked out. You didn't stay? Yeah, but you could stand up. I was knocked out. You guys want to see a video of me being knocked out? Time out, tell me, tell me, tell me, how long were you knocked out?

20, 30 seconds? I woke up and my dad was right there. I don't remember any of it. I don't remember any of it. We thought we lost, Connor. Yeah. I don't remember any of this. This is the most viral I'll ever be.

We saw the video before. Have you not seen this? No, we watched it. I saw it when it was going viral. I mean, you're kind of fencing, dude. Was that your first Cup Series win? No, it was an O'Reilly win. It was my like fifth or sixth win last year.

And NASCAR driver KOs himself. What a caption. That's crazy. Did Antonio Brown tweet about it? Yeah, Antonio Brown said something I can't say. of the day. Crocker of the day? No, and worse.

Oh, that's like, yeah. Oh, gosh, that's brutal. Boom! And then here I start fencing. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're, you did. I'm out cold. I'm out cold. You know, they had the camera angle that we'll be right back after these messages.

I mean, when did, when were you cognitive enough to be like a little bit embarrassed about that? When I got to the infield care center and I, my dad was in there with me. and it was hilarious. My mom, my dad's like super chill guy. Jesse would know, but like he's just like, he's just like super low key, like never has emotion. And I fall and my mom's like, oh my God, he's dead, he's dead. And my dad's like, no, he's fine.

Yeah, Janus had me thinking that like he was done. Janice? My mom. Okay, Janice. And my dad's gym. And my dad came up to my mom and my dad's like, he'll be fine. And I'm literally knocked out on the floor like fencing. And so I get back to the, I get back to the infatine.

field care center and you know the doctors are looking at me and I finally like come back to my senses and my dad's like dude you were knocked out I was like I wasn't knocked out and and he's like oh you want to see and I was like yeah show me the video it wasn't that bad and I didn't even know my collarbone was broken at this point like I had no idea I was just really I just woke up and I was like I felt fine and and so he shows me the video and I was like holy shit I was knocked out. And they put this neck brace on me because they're like thinking my spinal cord and like, you know, they're not worried about bones. Yeah, they're worried about, you know, me having serious injuries beyond just a broken bone. And they put this neck brace on me and the neck brace like supports

from your collar bones almost. Like it like sits on your shoulders. And that's when I started, I had my suit on and so they couldn't see anything. And that's when I started realizing I was like, dude, my shoulder hurts like really bad. And they're like, okay, well, you know, we got to keep this neck brace on you. I was like, no, you got to take this neck brace off of me. My neck's fine, dude. You got to take this neck brace off of me. So they pull the neck brace off and they pull my, they like get my suit off of me.

And they like, pull my shirt down. And they're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, we see what you mean now. And like my collarbone's like about to stick through my skin. And they're like, all right, we're going to take you to the hospital. So I got an ambulance right over the hospital. We did an interesting night that night. Yeah, I went to Taco Bell after and got some food.

I had to stay with, or he had to stay with me, or I had to stay with him at the hotel. I was supposed to race the next day and the cup race. Yeah, I had to dress them. Dude, I couldn't take my shirt off. No way. Yeah, I mean, I didn't get surgery that night. I got surgery later. Yeah, they gave me all the, I went to CBS the next morning in town,

and I'm, like, sitting in line with this, with this, whatever, brace on me, and I'm, like, going to get my medicine because I was in serious pain. Like, I needed something to help. and this lady comes up to me in line and she's like, are you the kid that fell off the car yesterday that I saw in the news? No way. And I was like, oh, come on, man. And I was supposed to race on Sunday.

I was doing all three series that weekend. And obviously I didn't race. I had to get surgery that next week. And I came back and raced 10 days after surgery. How was that? 10 days after surgery? Nice. How was the mobility?

It was, I had fine mobility. but like it was just the the worst part so I they gave me staples and the worst part of it like I was getting fitted for my seat after and they like changed my seed and they were and I had staples so when the shoulder belt comes over your collarbone and you tighten that thing down it was pushing the staples like deeper into my skin and that's what hurt the most so I ended up getting them to take the staples out and they put the stair strips on like the glue strips and I was able to get in and I just started the race and then got out at the first caution and someone else got in my car and that guy Parker Klugerman he ended up winning the race and I got credit for it I didn't even drive.

Oh no way. All I did was take the green flag and I got credit for it. So technically I only won nine races last year and he won the 10th one but it's still counted in my name. If you look it up on Wikipedia I won. Yeah we saw that. That's it. My name is well. Ted races last year. Jesse was the caregiver. Where were uh where were you when you went for that caution? So I was I was running the back. I was just trying not to wreck because we knew it was the plan all along. Like I was just going to get out at the first caution we were going to swap and then, you know, he was going to finish the race. And he ended up going out and winning at Daytona. No shit.

Yeah, Jamie, it's Daytona. Daytona Parker Clergerman. Daytona. Daytona Parker. Yeah, just Jamie. Appreciate the shout. Top left picture. Yeah.

Yeah, so I'm standing in Victory Lane with my damn t-shirt and shorts on. So who's getting the check for the W? We both got our win bonus. Equal win bonus. Is there a party that's like I got a guy got a lot of boy? I should just let someone else bring us for him. That's money. Is there a party that's like I got to get my boy like hey.

You guys split the check is kind of. I mean it was no, no, no, no, no. So we got the equal amount. Yeah, we got. That's what I'm saying. But they double paid like the team double. The team did us a solid and double paid. But I'm saying whatever you think is coming into you.

I feel like you're just like, hey, bro. You won this. I gave him the trophy. Yeah. Oh, no, he gave me the trophy. He gave me the trophy, too. He just took the flag. All he wanted was the flag.

So he took the flag. I took the trophy. Bad guy moved? Like Connor taking 50% of the trophy. It wasn't 50%. We both got 100% and the team paid 200. Like the team dealt like paid extra. So if you're getting a $10,000 bonus and I'm, and you go in caution, you got $10,000.

You're got $10,000. Right. I'm thinking team a move like, hey, you should probably take the majority of mine because you want us this money. I shouldn't even be holding any of this bonus. Correct. You're missing the point. You get it. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Wait, you're with him? Yeah. You're thinking he should pay up? I told Connor, I was like, did you get a bonus for that? And he was like, oh yeah. And I was like, you keeping it? And he was like, yeah.

Free money. Listen, they print. Would you ever say no to free money? Never. To free money. I mean, I have no clue. It's my favorite version of money. But he wouldn't have gotten paid anymore if I didn't getting paid if I didn't get paid that's the thing like you're missing your miss yeah yeah I'm just saying you get the bonus you're like hey I'm gonna do you a solid I mean I did I did some work dude I went I'm gonna give you I don't even know what the bonus is I'm gonna say it's $50,000 like hey I'm gonna give you 20 of this 30 of this because you won this rate you did it I just sat in the car 20 what 20 what 20 what 20 bucks you don't know it's bonuses 20 grand 20 grand I don't think your bonus would be 20 grand with it not quite the bonus that day in that series now what was it

on that race. What was your bonus? I got $10,000 to win that race. Yeah, you told him five. Like, hey, you won this. He drove. I'm just... His boy also got $10,000. Or whatever his race bonus. Wait, do you guys have the same race bonuses? I don't know his contract,

but I think so. But he also got, I think... Oh, so you don't even know if he got 10 grand. He did. 100%. He got his bonus. He got his bonus. He got his bonus. He got paid. He got paid. You see what he's doing to us. He's saying his bonus. So, Buddy's bonus. What's your... What's your name? Mine is 10.

Yours is 10, but what was your driver? What's his name? Parker. Parker. We don't know what Parker's bonus first. You know he got $10,000? I'm assuming we got the same bonus and then I think he gets more on top of that too, like the race purse.

See, I would start leaning with you if like Parker got like $5,000 and he got 10. It's like, yeah, okay, throw him a couple. Like two. He got, he made more money than me that day. Which is fair, he should. That's good to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

That's obvious. He did the work. I just watched. Ain't no way. You gotta go potty? Again, bro. I can party, dude. A lot of a small kid.

Go ahead. Go potty, man. You pissed yourself when you race? No. I got a friend that house. That's crazy. I've never done it. There's a little,

there's a thing right there. It's like an old bus. See, yeah, online school. I forgot. Yeah, go ahead. Online school, I forgot. I did online school too. I can't say much.

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There's a clip of it somewhere probably. And I was like, I'm about to f***ing piss my pants. Like, it, I would, it's the worst when, when you like, are wrecked and like you're just run around in the back and you don't have any adrenaline and uh i don't know bleacher report the the the bleacher report no that ow ow my back is when jesse wrecked me oh al al al my back josezer riding that down is crazy was that at taladega yeah he wrecked me in taladega last year he says jesse he's taking a piss like what's the most real argument you guys have gotten into about racing probably when he wrecked me

Oh yeah? Yeah. You get in his face about it? I didn't get in his face about it. My mom was more mad than me. Oh, he's back, he's back, he's back. Yeah, sure, sure, so, sure, so, do you find it? So I'm like, getting kicked out of the house?

No, well, not kicked out of the house. Oh, wait, you just got kicked out of the house? No. She was mad for like two weeks. So Connor, Connor's parents' house is a pad. Like, it is a freaking pad. You want the address to put it up on the, on the ceiling? Jamie, pull it up, Jamie.

It is a pad. So we hang out there in the summer going to lake and stuff. hang out in the pool and whatever. And I get home, or not home, I get to Connor's house to hang out. I still live with my parents. And Janus was angry at me. Like, wouldn't talk to me.

She's like, I don't know why you're here. Anyway. And she's dead ass serious. Oh, yes. Yeah. Me and Janice are very close now. We're good now. What happened?

It was the last lap of the race. Oh, I thought you guys were talking about that. Yeah, we are. We were talking about when you wrecked him. But you came in telling him. I did not wreck him. He wrecked himself. We're leading.

I love this, dude. I love that. Last lap, I'm leading. Oh, time out. So you went to his leg. This is, you're at the house. This is after this race. Well, that's a big hit, too.

Out of my back. I fractured. I fractured two vertebrae. Okay, my bad. So what happened was, I see, okay, well, he crashes, right? And then I got out of the car and I'm like, hey, guys, is he all right? And they were like, yeah, he's out of the car. Dude, don't worry about it.

He's fine. So my interview, you know, they said, oh, he's fine. Yeah, he's just getting checked out of the curse. I'm like, we have to. And I was like, all right, well, at least he didn't die or nothing, right? Like a little joke. Like, at least he's not dead, right? And his mom did not like that at all.

So this is a two for one. So you get pissed at him about this record. And Janus is also mad at me. I wasn't, I mean, I was like, come on, man. Like, you could have. Oh, so it seems like there was a little. It was a last lap of Tau. Like, you're going to make a pass.

Nobody's living. You're going to make a move. So this is the last lap you're leading. Yeah. And you didn't touch him at all. Oh, he made contact. He made contact. So look, watch.

Look, look, look. Yellow car goes down, right? White car tries to block. Brex himself. I kind of see that. Yeah, but okay, all right. Thank you. Explain to me in your words,

because I want to see your way too. On the last lap of the race, like... Oh, yes, smoked. Yeah, that was a big one. No, I hate that's... 65G. 65G. No, Janice were good now.

Did you see Christopher Bell's crash? Oh, yeah, we went up with... Yeah, so that was 60. His was 63. Mine was 65. So mine was, that was, on the mouthpieces we wear, that was like a bigger hit. Mine was.

Oh, yeah. I got a record holder. Yeah, you got some durability to you. Yeah, that one was crazy. You was trying, you was just trying to block him. Yeah, like, it's the last lap of the race. Like, you're going to try and block it. And when he made his move, he just made it at the right time.

He just like, he got you. He wasn't, he wasn't, like, it wasn't direct enough. Like, it was just like, he was slowly pulling out. So I was like, all right, I'll follow you. Because if you, if you overdo it, right, then you're going to lose the side draft. or you're going to lose your pusher. So I'm trying to keep my pusher connected

and I'm trying to like make sure when I pull out that I can clamp on his left rear and like pull him back. Okay, hold on. Let's go on. Let's go in time out real quick. You guys are wax and pulling out with this. Yeah, so you just said a lot of shit just now.

You're drafting him. You're also, there's a side draft involved. By the way, I'm today years old when I was going to say. And then you have a guy behind you. He was a guy behind me, yes. He was what drafting you? He's bump drafting me. He's, okay.

So he's on the rear. He's giving you a little push. They're shaking bacon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like they're shaking bacon. Yeah, yeah. Which people take, me and my team were like in like 12th the lap before. Like we like made a huge, a humongous push the last like lap and a half.

Was it a waxing crescent before this rate? I don't think so. I think it was a strawberry moon. Oh, really? Oh, okay, first up. Have you heard about this? No, no, no, just put that the shelf real quick. Let him keep going on the side draft stuff.

Yeah, yeah. Talk to me about the drafting thing. Like going slow. So you're positioning yourself. What is a side draft? Just tell what it is. A side draft is so you have two cars here. I use my hands, right?

So car one is on the right car two is on the left So car two and he gets to right here He's dumping air off of like because the air is coming off the nose right So he's dumping air that's coming off the right side of his nose on this guy's spoiler Like that wing on the top right? Yeah, yeah So he's dump an air on that guy's spoiler which is like making a bunch of drag for him and slowing and slowing car two down And it's like huge so this car's getting slowed down by this yeah, by this car So if two cars were like on Taledega racing and it was just two cars by themselves and they were

side by side, it would always look like this. They would just go back and forth. Because they're just side drafts each other. Yeah. So you're drafting him while also getting a side draft from the team. No, no, no. So he's getting bumped drafted by his teammate. And then when he goes out to pass me,

he never got to the point where he side drafted me because he wrecked me before he could get there. But he would be side drafting me if he got to like my quarter panel, like my left rear. When you get to somebody's left rear and you could be like here, like as long as you get like barely close enough, you can drag them back and pass them. Drag their ass back.

Bring them into hell, dude. Drag them back. I've learned some ball right now. Yeah, they're definitely putting us on a little bit. So in your mind, the only fix for your situation is to block. He wrecked me. It would be like he'd just either have to slow down or you should just let him. Yeah, I should just let him have the run.

At the end of the day, I should have him have the run. And then hopefully, like, somebody else picks me up and pushes him again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I, like, he's got his teammate right behind him. So like that car, so he's the, yellow car up top. In second place. Yeah, on the right, on the far side.

Yep. And his teammate is that blue car right behind him. Okay. So his teammates are going to go with him because they're teammates. They're going to work together. He's pushed drafting and also catching a draft as well while you're push drafted. Yeah, yeah. He's got a double.

He's got a push and he's drafting off of me. I don't know if he just looked like I was an idiot for a second. Did I say something totally? I just understand the lingo. We're thrandum. You're speaking outside of his. You're above his level now. But also I've been doing racing with this is our fourth episode.

So I kind of know my shit now. So hold on. We're trying to be better for the audience. Yeah, yeah. So push draft. Bump draft, yeah. Push draft. Okay.

Bum draft. My bad. It's okay. Bum draft. Yeah. He's catching a little draft as well too, correct? Connor, at this point, because I've broken through his bubble, probably not. Okay, hold on.

The bubble. You're opening up a can of worms. The bubble is, like, a high pressure system of air behind the car where, like, turbulent air gets, like, into a ball formation, and it starts, like, getting really turbulent behind the bumper of the car when it's going really fast. So it ends up happening as if two cars were at Talladega, now we're like car one and two, right? The car two would never actually pass the guy.

You can never push the guy. You would never be able to get to his bumper. The only way you can break through that bubble is with a bump drafter behind you pushing you. Right. So this guy in second's job is to like actually lift. It's like Star Wars shit. And slow down to get the bump draft to be able to push the guy's bubble. So like off a turn two here, like I was all way out of the gas to get my teammate hooked up with me

to get a big enough run to where I can actually like break through Connor's bubble and pull out a line past them. It's like Star Wars shit. It's like may the Force be with you. It sounds like some dope shit's happening here. Two cars together.

We're not fucking with you, I swear. No, this isn't. I believe everything you're saying. I still want to talk about the strawberry moon in a little bit, but right now I want to be right here. Yeah, yeah. So if two cars are together, they'll go faster and they don't even have to touch each other.

Like, they'll just like, the air will push them. The air will push them. Yeah, it's crazy. Okay, so talk to me about, so why is a bump draft even worth doing? Because when two guards get connected, it's faster than the way. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I didn't hear you correct it the first time.

Now I got you. Now I got you. Yeah, so that green arrows are three four wheels and eight, essentially. Yeah, exactly. Those green arrows behind the car. We're shaking and baking and it's like the air basically getting like into this pocket where it becomes a bubble. And it looks like a balloon basically. You're just like pushing a balloon. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so, and you were in his bubble. I broke his bubble. He broke my bubble and hit me. But you're not like, you're shaking and bacon, but it's not like a teammate shaking bacon. Like you're completely, they're not shaking, Jesse and his teammate are shaking. Yeah.

Yes. Two and three are shaking. Right, right, right. So, okay, well, once again, remember, you guys saw him. You can't see it right there because he gets up to the bumper. So are we here saying right now

on racing with the boys that shaking bag is a real thing? 100%. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's, that's not, Talladega Nights is not a, it's not a comedy movie.

It's a documentary. Okay. Yeah, that's a round. I'll give a round of applause. I like that. I like that a lot. It seems like the documentary. It's like the young guns too versus the old vets.

Yeah. Like we had a couple guys on here. They were like, well, actually one specific individual was like, fuck that movie. Who? I can't say. He was on the podcast, right? He was in the show. Friend of the show.

So you guys are friends of the show. Well, it was Bubba. First friends of the show. Okay. That's crazy. Yeah, Bubba did that. Thanks, Mitch. I got you.

Yeah. Thank you, Jamie. He don't, don't listen to Bubba, man. Oh. I don't, I got beef with, blah, but it was a good guy. But I don't like that take. You win.

Yeah, it's a bad thing. Mom sees the post game and the way you come off makes it seem like that was the necessary. Hey, at least he's not dead. Yeah. I thought it was fun. I thought he was fine. And then I had to walk the car center. That was actually pretty tough for me.

But yeah, at the time, I thought he was fine. But then she go, fast forward to you guys at the house. She kicks you out of the house. Well, I just awkward. It was just awkward. She was just like, like, yeah, she threw a couple jabs at me. I had to sit her down and be like, mom. Yeah, like you guys are solid, but mom, she's not cool with her.

Yeah, there was a Facebook post. I think, yeah, let's put a Facebook post out, maybe. There might have been. What she said? I don't know. I remember it. Give me, give me, like, you don't have to say it verbatim. It just wasn't very positive.

Yeah, it was like, I don't know. We're going to the Facebook. My mom's going to kill me. Something like, was it tasteful or was it like, oh, this is an older lady poster. It was sour. It was sour. It was a sour. It was a sour.

It was a sour post. And when you're at this pool party or you're at this incredible pad. You ain't going to find it. It's deep. She's probably probably deleted. Actually. Yeah. Deep in the cut.

I probably made her delete it. Did you at any point be like Janice? Miss Janice. Like, I, it's his fault. I don't know. I don't know if that's what you got to do. I did. I did try to educate on the whole drafting thing.

And I was not received very well. I was so sick of the sourness that I even had to step in and be like, mom, it's not his fault. Like. But she's right. Yes. So you're taking fault? I didn't take fault. I would never take fault.

We're race car drivers. We don't take fault. Right. We never take fault. Okay, fair enough. But Connor seemed like he was in the spot to where he probably, he felt some type of way about it.

Stuff was going on with his mom. Yeah, I had to chill out. And Jesse so much, he said, hey, hey, guys, like, come on. This is what happened. Like, it is what it is. Like, you got to chill out. As I'm sitting here right now,

I've only heard Connor say, I should have done this differently in that. Jesse's been like, no, like, he fucked up the whole time. Well, it did seem like, You'll learn with Jesse. When I'm here in Jesse, nothing's ever his fault.

And then that's kind of natural how race car drivers are. I'll explain everything that you did wrong if you want me to. No. Let's do that. Oh, yeah. Let's do that.

All right. Jamie, roll back about like 30 seconds. We're about. Connor, he's got to have one. You took him 12 and 0 in 2K. Yeah, fair. Just look up on the YouTube. And I do.

2025 Talladega, Fin, 2025, Taladega. I do. Oryl. Xfinity, yeah. I do want to point out to. No, don't say crash. No say crash.

Don't say crash. just to put it, Xfinity. I do want to point out, too, when we first met Jesse, he was very self-spoken. We said, weren't getting him out of a shell. I think this is a break through a moment. We're breaking his bubble right now. Just go to the end.

Now, skip to the end. Yeah. Like right there. A little farther back. Yeah, right here. We do laps together. So who's in front right now? Skip ahead a little bit.

No, you're okay. Just stay right here and explain what's happening. Just explain where you guys are at. Who's in front? I'm leading. I'm that white car. Come on. Why just make it full screen?

Yeah, lock in, chef. Chef's so nervous right now. I'm built for this Why don't you just like double click in full screen? Because we're showing it. We have, if we go full screen, they won't be able to see it. Okay, you got to rewind though. We're back in the crash.

Not that far, not that far. Just go back like 30 seconds. All right, two laps to go. Two laps to go. Me and my teammate are in like 10. Jesse's like fourth car on the top, that yellow, that yellow car leading the top. So Connor is too far out already, I would say. I had a rocket ship this day.

I didn't know what to do with it. At least we're starting to take a car. accountability. Oh, it skips. Oh, it skips. That sucks. You can't really see the whole thing. See, we got connected.

In your mind, Jesse, you're now, instead of Connor coaching you at the age 14, now you're coaching, you're breaking this film down. We're in the circle. Nobody else is going to talk. My teammate is like the best, I mean, honestly, probably the best drafter like ever. Yeah. In the modern era. At this stuff at this, at the Talladega.

This is the bump draft? Yeah, the bump draft. So break down in your mind if you're coaching. Connor. He just got too far out. He just got too far out, right? And then he tried to make a late block and that like stacks the top up to lose their momentum. So then the top gets connected. And then you have no chance of like this isn't it. Defending the run from what I remember from the race. It's all good. I really want to know. So you and Janice are good now. Yes. And it took multiple weeks. Two weeks probably. And there was no did you reach out a couple of times?

I feel like you and I just, I would see at the house. Yeah. I would see at the house. Okay. Yeah. And you'd be like, hey, how are you? Now we're good. Honestly, and now we're on best terms ever. Ever. Ever. Wow. It's because I'm not racing against him every week. Yeah.

That's got to feel good. That's got to feel good to have it. For me, yeah. It'll get real again. But me and Connor have had some, like, a lot of, like, legit, like, pretty good battles. Yeah. I feel like we've had to race each other for big things more than other people.

Yeah. Like his first Archer race at Watkins Glen, Arkins Glen, Warkins Glen a couple weeks ago. The championship race, Talladega. Yeah, we've been through it. He's had a couple of deals taking place. A couple run-ins. This combo when hearing you guys talk through the racing.

Hearing you guys talk to the racing, like you break down ball like that. Too young. I think it's sick listening to you both because it seems like you guys are going to be doing this for a long time. Hopefully. And you guys are sitting here at what, 20 and 21, 19 and 21 years old, kind of talking the craft. Because you're going to one day be, right, in the Cup series. Explain how that works getting like called up or now you're in the big links. Because in my brain, when we're kind of preparing for you guys, you won the 10 races last.

You win the championship. You're going to the Cup Series. You didn't go to the Cup Series. How does that world kind of work to where you're now permanently in the Cup series? Yeah, I'll explain mine first. So I got signed. I'll treat it like football. So I was playing.

Okay. I was playing. I'm in the pocket. I was playing high school football in 2023. And I got signed by an NFL team on a development contract. And they were like, we're going to sign you. we're going to help you get through high school to college, and then you're going to race for us,

or you're going to play for us in the NFL when you're ready. And so I had that with the track house, the team that I'm with now. They signed me at the end of 2023, and they supported me and got me to X-Finity. And basically they were like, if you do well enough, you're going to race for us. So they basically helped me and got me to where I am.

And then in turn, they have the rights to me, so I race for them now. So you win the day. 10 races, even though you didn't win the championship, it's like, hey, you feel ready to go, like we're ready to rock anymore. Got you, okay. At what point, two things.

One, that doesn't happen in football. All good, though. Exactly. It was an analogy. It was a great analogy. It's like baseball. It's a hockey baseball. Yeah, because people will have your rights.

I think at 18, they can get your rights. At what point last year, when you're winning all these races, you win 10 races, when we were like, yeah, they're going to make the call. Well, I didn't start winning until, like, broke her back. Yeah, until that race.

That was like the start of, so after that race, I went on a 18 race. Crazy monster. Yeah, I went on an 18 race top five streak after that race. After that Talladega crash. That's why you and Jets are good now. So it was probably like, it was probably like May of last year when I,

when I signed my deal and knew I was going to be in cup for this year. Really? Yeah, so it was pretty early. Yeah, who's the first person you called? It kind of happened slow. Like, it was like a, it wasn't like a, you're going to be with us next year is like we're working on it. It's not like a draft call.

Yeah, it's not like a draft call. Like it's like, that's a good reference. That's a good reference. Yeah, it's not quite like that moment where it's like one moment you know you're going here. It's kind of like, all right, we're thinking about it. All right,

we're going to put a contract in front of you. Like it all happens kind of slow in our world. And then you're negotiating a contract essentially while you're racing a weekend and week out. Exactly. What is that stress like for you? Because that happens in the NFL where guys are like in contract negotiations. Yeah, while they're playing. Back half of the season.

I never personally went through that. But, It's got to be like if you... Stressful. Yeah, if you like don't do well one week, because that contract comes in, it's a little lighter than it was the week prior. And then obviously vice versa,

if you win, it's like, all right, would you see up a little bit? Yeah, that stuff can happen. It hasn't happened to me, but, you know, it's just, I mean, yeah, like when, in our sport, I mean, it's very cutthroat, like you're always,

guys are always trying to move around, find the next best deal, race for the next best team. And yeah, I mean, you're always, I mean, the silly season, we call it, like, starts, it starts it already started for next year um for us so yeah i mean once you get to april and may in the year like everybody starts talking on where people are going to go where they're

going to move and like i mean it's tampering yeah there's only like the first two two months of the race season where there's not much noise of it and then once you get to may it's like everyone's talking about where guys are going to move and yeah yeah how about how about for you jesse what about with like going like thinking about the future of being a permanent Cup Series guy. Yeah, I think for me... You're probably in the same situation where the contracts are happening.

Yeah, I think for me, like, obviously last year in the championship, there's like a couple months period where you like reap the benefit of the performance that you have, right? So Connor winning... You know, for me winning a championship, like, okay, I go win a championship in November.

Well, every deal is signed for the next year, right? For the next season. So for me, at least, like I had a... I signed a three-year deal with RCR to go Xenity Racing, starting, you know, two years ago. It's my third year now. So I never had a, at least a thought that I was going to be Cup Series racing this year

because I had to make, you know, make full my contract at RCR. Right. And I'm having a great time to run the Xfinity car. So, but obviously this year was when I started to make like more of a push like during interviews and things like that, like making my case of at least like what I want to do, right, of going cup racing. And every contract's different. Like Connor signed a one-year deal.

last year, right? Two, two-year deal. Yeah, I wanted to do your deal. So Connor, well, I meant like for Xfinity. Oh yeah, my Xfinity deal last year was a one year. Yeah. So like when you have a, if you sign a three-year deal, it's, you know, kind of hard to get out of that early. You're stuck. And obviously, you actually stuck or can, um, you can, you can buy yourself out. You can buy, you personally buy yourself out. Yeah. Or the team. Yeah, the team, a team that wants you or whatever. There's, there's things, there's ways to get out of contracts. But yeah, I mean, like, if you sign yourself up for a three-year deal with a, you know, an okay. You know, team because you know you're not really proving yourself yet and then you go out and kill it the

first two years and then you're stuck with the okay team when good teams want you that's kind of where it's like oh man like i i i put myself in a bad spot because i didn't know i i was this opportunity was better than anything i had ever gotten so i was going to take it but yeah um yeah i mean that's part of it like the risk reward you take of you know putting yourself in there's some like betting on yourself yeah like scotty pippin when he signed that contract with the bulls right I'm making only his references because I just read the, or just watched the documentary, but he, you know, signed that, like, bad contract for a long time because he wasn't sure if he got hurt, like, had to take care of his family and things like that. Same thing goes in, like, racing. You kind of, like, bound yourself.

If you want options at the end of your contract, you sign a three-year deal or a one-year deal, things like that. Yeah, yeah. So you're in year three of your deal right now, right? When you were talking about interviews, are you saying interviews in front of, like, sponsors for the teams that are at the cup series? More so, like, when I have, like, a public-media obligation, right? To let teams know, hey, I'm on the market. Got you. Starting to signal to everybody.

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Dude, it was hilarious. I watched it a couple nights ago. I was in bed staring at my phone just like cackling. Just, yeah. Blaney's funny, it was hilarious. Blaney's solid. I thought he did an incredible drop too.

I've heard he does like, he has like a stag card. He was in the movie. No, he's a part of the union? Yeah. I think so. That's sick. I did not know that.

I don't know. He was in the race. You were in the race one too for the San Diego. Yeah, the NASCAR versus. But would you guys ever do something like this? This Eli Manning's Of course. That would be sick.

Does Omaha produce this? Yeah. Omaha produces this? Yeah, they do. Phenomenal A plus. What doesn't Omaha do, man? A plus production company. Yeah.

You guys would know, huh? We would know. They produced this show. I know. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. It's like, where are they from the time? You guys should figure out.

Oh, yeah, Jack. You guys should figure out how to do like a tandem, like a duo. Yeah. A double. D duo undercover. Yeah. I know. I watched it.

It was hilarious. Would you guys want to be like old guys or would you? I don't know what I'd want to be. Actually, you could probably have the gate of an old name. I can't believe he was able to pull that off. And it was solid too. Like his accent was good.

Yeah. I feel like you guys. Hamish Wimsley. Yeah, you guys should definitely do something like this. What would your name be if you wanted to do an undercover deal? Did you have a name in your head? Shamus O'Reilly.

Okay. Seamus O'Reilly. Sounds good. I did not. I did not have a name. You don't? Yeah. I do not have a name, no.

Can you do an Irish accent? Yeah, give it something. I need to say something about a Guinness. On the spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I don't know how to do an Irish accent. Oh, top of the morning to you. Just think a Lucky Charms, dude.

The Guinness. Oh, I need a Guinness. Oh, I can't. Maybe you say, Mr. O'Reilly's out, dude. At the top of the morning. Shamus is out. You can just be like Chad. Chad something.

Just use your regular voice. You're like a frat kid. Yeah. Chad. Yeah, frat kid would be solid tank top headband You could live my life Like walk into the D-O lot as like a frat kid Like yeah

That would be That could be nice Go up to the drivers and heckle How would you disguise them? There's no facial hair to go along with that I could just put a belly on me A little little beer belly on a mustache Or something like that

Get like a like a fade that has like lightning bolts on the side Just like truly go into like the hardest stereotype And then Jesse can kind of be like his professional handler because he gets in a lot of trouble so he's got to be around him at all times. Like trust fund kid and I'm like your... Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Trust fun kid's good. I like that.

Collar shirts and like boat shoes. Yeah, spares. Some of those like four and a half in-seeing. Cackies, dude. Just every SEC game you see those frat guys that could be... Every single one. They all have the same exact get-up on.

Do you see all the frat burners on Twitter? Do you know what that is? The frat burners? You know what I'm tapped. I'm tapped in. Tapped in. All right. He's tapped in.

Chef, tell us about the frat burners. It's a collection of young kids in college who have anonymous burners with funny names, and they commentate on a lot of things in the world. Usually very unsavory comments and stuff. Some would say funny. Depends on who you are.

It is very funny. It is very funny. It is who you are. No, I haven't seen that. I'm too old now. Yeah. 34, ma'am. I'm an old dog.

I die tomorrow. They'd be like, that full life. Do you get back to that strawberry moon? Strawberry moon. Yeah, I was just about to pull that off the shelf. Yeah. Okay, pull up, go back in your history, if don't scroll too far down, but pull back up in your history where you were looking up the moon phases. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So just better go back. The moon shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit's real, that's astrology. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I took astrology in college. Spade, no, back, back. Oh.

Yeah, that one. You had something pulled up. I'm pretty sure if I did my calculations, right, yeah. Yeah, right now is a waxing. on June 29th. June 29th. Strawberry moon. Yeah.

That's full moon. I just think that on nights like that crazy things happen. Yeah. Like what kind of crazy things? Well, I mean, full moons, werewolves.

That's one thing that could possible happen. The dogs come out. I believe it was a strawberry moon when you broke your back. Yeah, I think it was. Was it actually a strawberry moon? That's getting into the weeds of everything. Yeah,

but if you're looking at shelf lives of everything. Strawberry moons can last a while. Oh, they can. Yeah. Here's the problem, though. What if you get a strawberry moon and then like two days later? later there's a waxing crescent.

Which one supersedes the other? Bad shit happens, I bet bad shit happens, huh? It can't be good when two different moon faces. They probably counteract each other. Yeah. God, that is so interesting, dude. How about the moon, huh? Waning crescent.

Dude, how about? That's lame. No, that was October. Waxing crescent. Oh, it was a waxing crescent when I wrecked. Is there, was it really? That grip, though. Wow, it didn't get me.

I know, it didn't save me. Because you're on the rocket ship, but you know what to do with it. Yeah, I didn't know what to do it. Yeah, you didn't know what to do with what was going on there. What is the worst crash in like NASCAR history? What is one that's like, oh, wow, that was. Michael Waltrip at Bristol.

Michael Waltrip of Bristol? Yeah, watch this. We could see this video. That's going to be cool to see, but everyone was safe and okay. Yeah, everyone was safe. Yeah, he walked out. He walked out. Oh, really?

So this is one of the worst crashes ever. I like to know the moon. I think this is the worst crash. I like to know the moon that night or that morning. Keep... Oh, damn. Yeah, yeah, we need to see. That thing was in pieces.

There's a video. Keep going. There's a video. Yeah, right there. You had it. Yeah. I think this is the worst crash. Bristol, this is in Tennessee.

I learned that today. Oh, my God. The car completely dissipated. He was fine. Look at the car. How fast was he going when he hit that? Where's the man? He's in there.

He's right there. You can see his helmet. That's nuts, man. Crazy. Austin's was really bad at Daytona, right? Yeah. Austin Dillon, Daytona, 500 crash. That was 14 years ago.

Yeah. No, that was like the 90s. Yeah, I was 90. Yeah, I mean, that. When you're a 90s kid, though, dude, it was always about 10 years ago. You put the 90s worse. So I'm with you on that.

This one was nuts, dude. Yeah, we're good. Oh, oh, oh, calm him down. He's in the top, I think, right? No, he's right there. Oh, my God. That's way worse, dude. Yeah, but that's not worse.

I would say, that's Ricky Bobby, I'm flying through the air. When you see a crash and like parts and pieces are flying off the car and the guy's crashing for a long time, like energy is dissipating. The Michael Waltrip crash, like when you stop that fast, your body is stopping that fast.

That's what hurts you. Yeah. I love how it, like the energies, the balloons, all that stuff. The way you break it down for me. He's a science.

It's actually super helpful. He's a science. Play it from there. Play it from there. Yeah, Jamie. Well, Jack, I didn't see that. The waxing gibbis said that day. The Waltzrip one.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Waxing gibbis. He's the three car. What's the difference between any gibbis in a crescent? It's just different shades. Different shades of the shadow. Yeah. Yeah, that catchment.

Some fans got like messed up. I'm pretty sure. Oh, I bet. Look at those parts. Fink? It's like ghost ship. The opening scene of ghost ship. Yeah, that was a big one.

The real ones. And the problem with like, I don't know if the other NASCAR cup guys have talked about this, but the problem with the, well, the problem with the next gen car, like, when that first came out was like it's so sturdy and so strong, right, that like when they crash, it looked like the cars, they would take huge hits. Not like that, right? But they'd take huge hits where the car would not deform or pieces wouldn't really fly off like they should. So that, so they're taking more of the brunt of that energy. So now like NASCAR is doing a lot to like make the car crush and break and fly apart. Yeah, we have that like newer vehicles now, right? The next-gen car, yeah. Well, no, I'm talking about regular vehicles in general, too. Like, the safety rate, like cars have to give. Yeah, the crush.

Yeah, because the crush gives you time, like the driver. Slow down your inertia. Yeah. Big word inertia. inertia. Where's you learned that one? Breaking that one down. Yeah.

Newton's law. Yeah, something like that. He's got a couple of them. He's got a few, right? Yeah, he's got a few laws. Yeah, he's got a few laws. I'm a relative of Isaac Newton. I swear to God.

You sound like one. In my family tree. You sound like one. In my family tree. That's what my mom told me. You're a descendant of Isaac Newton? That's what my mom told me. My first word was SpongeBob.

Nice. We're different, I guess. Yeah. Wait, you're descendant of SpongeBob? My first word was SpongeBob. You know how? Oh, that's kind of cool. That's bullshit.

That's bullshit. You know, that's bullshit. Your first word is mama or dad. I'm so serious. Yeah, dude. It ain't SpongeBob. Multiple syllable words. I would sit on the, I had told her brothers.

I'd sit on the couch and watch SpongeBob all day long. And one day my dad turned off SpongeBob and put on the news. and I sat there and said, Bumb Bob, bum bob. You don't remember that. When were you born? Oh, yeah, I do.

I remember like it was yesterday. Call your dad. Call your dad. And just ask him to say, what was my first word? What was my first word? Call dad. Okay, that's the oldest thing I've ever seen.

You're a young cat. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get Janis, break some bread. Next to the mic. Yeah. I'm on a podcast right now.

What was my first word? That's bullshit. No, no, no. No, no, no, keep him on. All right, say hello. It had to be Dadda. Was it Dadda? No, it was Spongebob.

Bumbob? Yeah, it was Bun Bob. Bum Bob. Yeah. Hey, hey, just let it happen. We'll take it. No, no, no, no, no. Hey, Dad.

Dad, just for Bustin with the boys, just for confirmation. Racing with the boys. Yeah, racing with the boys. Is Jesse Love and Janice, are they cool? Is the beef squashed? 90%. There we? Okay.

Yeah, there we go, 90%. That's your A minus, you got to take that. That is great. I'll see a little bit. That's crazy. You graduate with honors with that number. I did. You're fun.

Yeah, 90's an A. 90% means when your name comes up when they're going to bed, Jan is still like, there might be a sentence that comes out. Yeah, she says half truth jokes. Yeah. I'm glad he's doing well now. So you believe SpongeBob now? No.

I don't believe, no. Maybe my parents have been lying to me my whole life. Yeah, but my short-term relationship I haven't. are not the entity itself, but the drivers. I've been lied to. I've been lied to. And I don't trust any of you guys anymore. You think I texted my dad and told him that I'm going to call him and tell him, hey, when I call you, say Spongy Bob.

I think your dad is hyped that one of your first words was bum Bob. And he just has the story to tell you because he might not even remember either. You know what I mean? Mom might probably heard you. Janus probably heard your first words. Yeah. Right. A question for you guys.

Who's been a driver? Where you do get in these races in the Cup series where you're like, oh, shit, I can't believe I'm racing against so-and-so. Probably when I race against Jimmy Johnson. My first or my second race in Cup, this Coke 600. And I raced against Jimmy. And he was making his 700 start that day. And I thought it was like the coolest thing ever. Yeah.

Do you get near him ever? I got a picture with him. Yeah. No, it's about in the race. He wrecked me. He did not. What an honor. He popped your bubble, dude.

He popped my bubble. He popped your fucking bubbles, what he did. I love that I know the lingo now, dude. I kind of juices me. How about you, Jesse? I don't have that feeling with anybody in NASCAR now, but when I was younger, my first time racing in a sprint car with Kyle Larson was pretty crazy. What made you love Kyle Larson so much?

We grew up in the same area, grew up racing the same cars, same racetracks, things like that. And he was the guy that made it from California, a sprint car racing. He wasn't the first guy, but he was my hero growing up. Yeah, the one you kind of clung to. I got to see it and live it, right? That's awesome. That's badass. Boys, we appreciate you coming on.

We know there's a flight to catch, correct? Flight to catch, you guys had a buggy? There is. I've been getting this in the back a lot. So it seems like our time is up. Hey, I am juiced. This conversation was awesome. Even getting to like kind of learn some ball.

Yeah, you got bono. Yeah, we have no clue. We got some ball knowledge. I told you. I told you we get you. Albert Einstein. I told me get you, dude. And also, hey.

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