Bussin' With The Boys - Dale Earnhardt Jr. Is A CFB25 SICKO + March Madness vs March MATness

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Recorded: March 24th, 2025 Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are back with a heater of an episode featuring none other than Dale Earnhardt Jr. But not only are The Boys back, but their bus is back to the OG paint job. We kick things off with some heavy March Madness talk, including behind-the-scenes stories from streaming the games with Delanie Walker and Clay Matthews. Will then celebrates his midwestern roots with a little NCAA College Wrestling Championships talk. In other news, Bussin’ merch drop is this THURSDAY. Will Compton reminds Tier 1's to make sure to check out BWTB.com and sign up for some early bird savings. To close the intro Will Compton finishes with some Severance Season 2 finale talk for all the Milchick Army sickos out there. Then, Dale Jr. hops on the bus, and things go full throttle. From stories about his early days rocking Budweiser colors to hilarious behind-the-scenes moments like having to poop mid-race. Dale talks about pre-race nerves, mental hurdles, and what it really takes to get a car into the Daytona 500. He also dives into what it feels like to carry the Earnhardt name, the NASCAR rule he’d change, and his thoughts on free agency in racing (yeah, it’s a thing). We also get the lighter side of Dale—from his biggest purchase regrets to his obsession with EA's College Football 25 and being a high-key gamer. Add in a little Bud Light talk, a passionate breakdown of being a Commanders fan, and some last-minute March Madness bets, and you’ve got a full-blown classic Bussin' episode on your hands. Make sure to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit that bell because it's always big hugs and a lil tiny kiss, boys!   0:00 Intro2:19 March Madness Streams18:17 March MATness32:56 Shoutout Bo Free Shoutout36:05 New Merch Is HERE37:21 Have You Leveled Up Your Life?42:46 NFL/CFB news45:15 Severance Finale 55:16 DALE JR. INTERVIEW STARTS 56:05 The Bus Is Back57:34 The Old Branding Of Alcohol1:00:42 Being A Budweiser Driver1:06:07 A Win Finishing Mid Pack?1:10:47 Was Dale Superstitious? 1:12:32 Having To Pee/Poop During The Race1:26:56 Dale Is Not A Shot Guy1:29:03 Pre-Race Jitters?1:32:35 Getting Settled In During A Race/Game1:36:27 Mental Hurdles While Driving1:39:16 Coaching His Drivers1:43:40 Weekly Routine For NASCAR Driver1:46:58 Getting Mad At Your Crew1:58:21 What NASCAR Rule Would Dale Change?2:02:36 Getting A Car Into The Daytona 5002:14:49 Feeling Ownership Over His Last Name2:27:27 His Biggest Purchase Regret 2:47:53 Dale Is A CFB 25 Sicko3:10:02 Dale is A Gamer3:17:09 Bud Light, What Would You Do Anything For?3:21:35 Being A Die Hard Commanders Fan3:36:31 Does NASCAR Have Free Agency?3:38:22 What He Misses Most From Racing3:43:38 March Madness BetsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now let's talk about this This weekend we had ourselves A couple of streams Thursday we kicked it off Yeah Seemed like the boys for the most part Stayed around 50% Maybe a little more

I think a couple of units Were made here and there Then we get to Friday Now I'm just gonna say this real quick Had an amazing time But Friday First three bets What we do?

We were riding high. Bink, riding high. Confidence thing goes up. Way too high. Unit goes up a little bit more because like today's the day. Today's the day. We finally found a little crack in the armor of Las Vegas, Nevada. Yeah.

Turns out Vegas is never wrong. And the boys weren't plummeting down to earth like we just. We had a rough go. We started second guessing ourselves a little bit. We started talking about bets a little too much. However, I will say the, the best part of. of March Madness for myself

is that over two and a half in the first minute. Dude, when we learn those quick bets, because again, it's fun betting spreads, it's fun betting totals and points and everything else, but you have to wait for the game

to kind of unfold. But to get your juices going, when all of us are riding on the over two and a half points in the first minute, somebody on Friday found the first four minutes, over 12 and a half points in the first four minutes,

both teams to score a goal in the first minute or first two minutes. Score a goal. Race to five. race to 10, 15, all the way up to 70. Those are the ones that were getting me fired up. And you mentioned on Thursday, we started off the Dog of the Day promo that Vandal has.

We got to share in the $1 million jackpot because McNeezy was the lowest seed to win on Thursday. Lost on Friday with Lipson. Lost on Friday with Lipson. Lipson. Saturday with McNeezy again, tried to stick and staying with McNeezy. Tough sledding those next two days. Yeah, I was fired up. When the dog of the day hit, when their promos going on and their dog of the day hit,

hit, I was, I was fired up. We have a baseball one coming up, which we'll tell you about. Yeah. But we'll continue to talk about our fun that we had on the strings. I will say this is like, this is my first time really diving into March Madness. So I didn't really know how to go. Like, do you start firing bets right away? Am I keeping my unit up where it usually is? And I was telling you. Will pulled me to the side and he goes, listen, you want to go smaller units because it's a long burn. This is a marathon you're going to have to deal with here. So when we started hitting that two and a half in the first minute, the five, 10, 15s, the first half total points, all those things.

Like you're keeping small units. But it's like you're interested in enjoying the entire time because it's not about how much you win. It's about the vibes of the boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The vibes of the boys. And you want to keep the units low. Again, responsibly low.

Responsibly low. Because you know how many you're just throwing out there. Like there are moments where it's like, I don't even know what's next on the docket. I don't even know what's next on the bet slip. But fortunately, when you keep your units low because you're throwing out so many different bets, you're able to kind of stay in the game.

I set a personal record for myself on Thursday. had over 70 bets, according to my Fandall Sportsbook app. That's just nuts. You jump on it and just reminds you how long you've been on the app and how many bets you've placed. It gives you that little reality check. And it's just kind of fun. Now, Friday, I started bumping the bets up a little bit because we had that three we talked about and started hitting so fast.

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Listen, I haven't dove into baseball in a minute. I told you guys about when I went to the World Series, you know, the first game of the World Series, and I left early when all the action really started taking place. Like, that's, I don't know a whole lot about baseball. But this, the opportunity to bet on homers, every time that guy steps into the batters box, does his fun little superstitious, does the cross,

a couple wipes here and there, moves his hat a couple of times and swings. You need that. Yeah. You need that. Dude, I wish you, I wish we were back in the Big Mac days, St. Louis Cardinals.

You got Big MacLand because of Mark McGuire. He was just hitting dingers every day. But betting on a home run, and it landing in Big Mac land, everybody in the section gets a free big big. Big Mac and the Cardinals and not to just go off course and just talk about the St. Louis Cardinals. But when they're in the playoffs, Big Macs were a dollar.

And your boy would house like three Big Macs. Oh, don't doubt that. Hey, bro. Me and Logan. Me and Logan. I know Logan always makes his way on this podcast. Always makes his way on the show. But we just ripped down to McDonald's.

Cardinals would go on like they'd have like seven game series. Like it was all time. So I'm fired up about this. What is against this jackpot profit boost token? you use it and then if that guy homers, everybody splits $500,000. Everybody who bet on that guy to Homer in that game will divvy up $500,000. I got to find the guys. What's his name?

Aaron Judge? That's a big bastard. You might have to bet on him going y'all. Aaron George had a tough playoffs this past year. He was coming off. He was a little slow, a little sluggish. And I only know that because I started following the Dodgers after I had that big fumble of going to that game.

Maybe Otani. I know he's a very popular player in baseball. Matt, Holiday's kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. His son played for the Warriors. Oh, no shit. What a legend.

I'm just going to find fun names. Fun names like Mooky Betts. Baseball, too, I feel like a lot of, like, their offspring has made their way into this next generation. I feel like baseball more than any other sport. You see, like, Tatis. Who else? King Griffith Jr.

See that guy, and that's it. King River Jr. Holiday. I know there's more. My brain's just, yeah, my brain's just not firing right now. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, hockey's the same way. I feel like that's just the sign of us getting older. Like, the people we used to watch, they had kids when we were watching them and now they're becoming,

their kids are becoming professional athletes as well. Yeah. Generational talents through and through. Yeah. Generational. Have you got, go ahead, Jack. I was talking about the over two and a half points.

One of my friends. after Friday when we finished streaming. And one of his buddies, who's a big gambler, said for baseball season outside of this coin that you're going to do, we might have found our new baseball over two and a half bet. But it's apparently you bet the under on runs in the first inning because they got these guys coming out, you know, they're starting pitchers, throwing gas, just it doesn't really heat up.

Get away from to get tired. Yeah, but apparently that's, this is one of those bets that we can maybe play into as well. So just like betting the under on runs and the first inning. inning. There we go, Jack. Maybe we'll test the waters later this week once opening day starts. Is that Thursday?

I believe so. Yeah. This week. This week. This week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could be any day this week, honestly. Have you guys, uh, check the bracket challenge?

Yeah. Yeah. Do you know who's in first place? Are you? It's Taylor. Oh, no shit. Taylor's in first place. Hey, let's go.

Let's give a round of applause with that, huh? You're, uh, your bracket right now. I think I've like two losses. It's like 99.9 percentile in the in the world. Are you serious? Your bracket is ranked in the top 3,000 people right now in the world. America, the world. Let's go.

I open it up. I'm like, because I knew I was in second last week, like after the first or second day. And I was fired up, but I just, I jumped on again this morning. And I just see Taylor sitting at the top. And I'm like, this. Mother. Something about fantasy, man. Something about fantasy.

I just get it done. dude well my bracket's about unless Michigan shows up in a big way because when I was doing my bracket I kind of obviously was guessing and texted a couple of guys but when I got to Michigan in this part I have them beating Auburn and then in the lead eight I was like okay this is probably where Michigan goes I know Sherham kind of gave me the whole no one will be surprised if Michigan makes it to the sweet 16 so I was okay we'll get them to the sweet 16 then I'll you know try to take the bracket as serious as possible but then the way my bracket worked out is Michigan in the lead eight plays Michigan state and so my ego won't allow

Michigan to lose in Michigan State even though I think they beat them every time this year bro you never know man Michigan's in the final four in my bracket and Michigan makes it the final four in my in real life we're living and also I know we've

obviously we're just gassing up Fandul but that future is parley I put Michigan in the sweet 16 and Arizona in the sweet 16 that's hit and all I need is Florida in the elite eight and I need Houston in the elite eight And if those two hit, I'll hit that parlay.

My futures parlay got shit on when St. John's lost me. Really? I was bummed when they lost, bro. You all are all in St. John's? Yeah. I did a little ghost bet last night with New Mexico and Michigan State. I wanted New Mexico, first to five, first to ten, first of 15. I soloed those.

And then I parlayed it as well, and that hit. And that was like plus 300 odds or something like that. Apparently, New Mexico was in it the whole entire game. I came in, I was like, hey, what happened with Michigan, Michigan State, or Michigan State and New Mexico? And the boys were like, yeah, New Mexico was up at half or right around up at half. Yeah. We had, I found a bet for Saturday. Every team to score over 60 points.

Bro, Mitch dropped that in the crew chat. That was so fired up. Plus 1,000. It hit? So plus 1,000. I think, I was like, oh, this is everybody's going to, the biggest worry is McNeese State. to score 60 points against whoever they were playing. Yeah.

The final game of the day, it's Tennessee versus UCLA. UCLA has... That's why y'all were texting about UCLA. 58 points. They had four free throws at 56 points. They went one for two on both free throw attempts and finished with 58. I was so pissed. Dog, I went to bed, just being like, yo, Mitch delivered a winner to the boys plus 1,000.

and every team on that day to score over 60 and every team was hitting bro and I was looking at UCLA Tennessee I think around halftime and I'm like they're on pace like this one's gonna hit like these are two quality teams that are gonna you know again he was talking about McNeese State like that's kind of the only one you were worried about

and I woke up the next morning and saw that the bet didn't hit so I open up you know I'm like scrolling through and I see UCLA has had 58 points They scored four points in the first eight no it was nuts man It was nuts.

But Mitch, that was going to be a big time winner for the group chat of the boys. Just throwing that one in there. Mitch was operating, though, with the parlay. Dropping the stream dual links in. And then I did it again yesterday. It was only plus 230 this time. I sent it to you guys.

Look at the odds now. It's only plus 230. I put $10 on it and a hit. But it's not as big as like, obviously, you'd hit that plus 1,000. Every team hitting over 60. That would be fun. And right now in our bracket challenge, too,

we have three of us tied for second place. JPM I saw you sitting at the bottom man I got a problem every dude every single March Madness I do this where I like I just get so enthralled with the with the upsets

I'm like man this is going to be the year and I have to be the guy that called it and I'm never the guy that calls it and I end up last in like all of my brackets and I saw this year only one underdog one in like the first two rounds which does not go well for me.

And yeah, so from now on, I think I'm just going to hit autopick. Autopi said autopick and let it get it. Take the highest seeds and let it go. You know what I've noticed with these brackets and just betting in general is like the more you look into bets, the more times you're wrong. I feel like it's like an intuition thing.

Like you just got to be like, okay, this. Yeah. Then when you start looking at, especially in the fall. I kind of like the data. Yeah, you look at the data, but we get in the fall, I mean, at least it was for me this year in the locker room.

I started looking into all these different. things, the weather, all this, and then your brain just gets confused. Yeah. Maybe it's just my brain. Paralysis by analysis. Yeah, paralysis by analysis. But no, but it's not paralysis because I'm making the bets. I'm just losing.

Yeah, but you're looking so much into it. You're paralyzing yourself. Yeah, I got to fly by the scene in my parents and these things. Because with this bracket, I really had no idea what I was doing. It's first time. Up until Saturday and Sunday hit, like the first two, like Thursday and Friday, they were pretty boring. Yeah.

Yeah. I saw a couple tweets people were saying it was like the worst. first round of March I don't think there was any like comebacks in those first couple days Yeah it was like when people got separated The one I mean watching Michigan as tightly as I did The first game versus UC San Diego

They were up by like 13 And I think they were down In the second half at one point End up coming back and winning And then Michigan was down against Who was A&M Down by like 10 points Came back and won that

Yeah that one was nice too Yeah that one was close Mm-hmm No doubt. St. John's was close. I remember I was watching the ending of that one, just hoping they were going to get back in it.

You saw Coach Calapari's quote. He was like, they had us in the coffin. They just forgot the nails. Yeah. It's like, Calapari versus Patino is all time too. I know, I know.

I love that old, that storyline. And then one of them, I forget which coach, but their daughters fired up like right next to them the whole game. Yeah. And they were just within that three,

four points and just could not close it. Even when they had a chance at it, they just weren't able to close the distance in the end. But Friday for us, all about like you got yourself a nice little present from Clay Matthews. Yeah. Yeah, Clay, he delivered. He delivered an incredible photo. We can throw it up here, but just getting trucked by Rupkowski. And I remember that play too. Like you just see. I'm pretty sure you've talked about that play multiple times. Just seeing him in the agab, no one is just me and him. He just

low man wins and he bulldozed me. However, he did fall down and I got the tackle and I was in his ear and I did let him know like, hey, that does go down as a tackle. a nice hit. Now when you're in that situation and you know it's just you and him and this is a big cat that's probably going to try to run you over, you're thinking, hey, just get him down.

Oh, yeah, 100%. You're not worried about getting run over in that situation. No, no, I got to get him to the ground because even before it was happening, I was like, fuck, this dude's about to give it to me and just, you know, you're trying to get as low as possible and try to wrap up.

You know you've lost a battle. Yeah. Is when you see it coming, you're like, this is about to hurt really bad. And they were an 11 personnel and he's just a solo back back there. And you see the pooler and you go with the pooler

and you're just thinking like, they're handing this boy the ball. They're handing this big boy the ball right now. It's just you and him. Yeah. And a couple of blades of grass. The boys give you hell on that or you work through that all right? No.

You catch a little heat, but yeah, I got him on the ground. Right. I mean, they might have gained two yards, but he's on the ground. Yeah, you look at a couple other guys that are chirping

and he's like, you wouldn't have got him down. Yeah. He would have ran your ass over and got six more. Yeah, but I love that he wrote me a little note. Clay delivered. Love the gift. Shut up Rup Kowski.

He was. a stud. God. I mean Delaney, we did the squad. Yeah, we had to... Clay Matthews, Delaney came through. We were just in at watching games. Your soul kind of gets sucked out of you when you're just sitting there watching games all

day long. Right. Because when I got out of him, we were home over the weekend. Like, your boy, you know me, I was jumping into the madness. The madness? March madness. I did see you tweeting about it. Shout out Nebraska. Dude, shout out Nebraska.

It's been their best performance in the NCAA tournament in the history. of the program. They had three guys in the finals. Brock Hardy, he lost and surprising too, but Jesse Mendez, he was a beast from Ohio State. He was the defending national champion, but Hardy had beat him in the Big Tens. And Hardy started off strong.

He was up on him 5-1, debatably 6-1. They kind of went to the review to see if he got like an extra point in a near fall because he put him on his back after he took him down. So he's up 5-1, Jesse Mendez comes back and beats him. So that one sucked, and that's what started it. but then Taylor and Love It, they both won theirs. And it was all time.

Like Nebraska got second at the tournament. Coach Manning got coach of the year for the NCAAs. But it was fun, bro. Did you see that heavyweight upset? When I was with you is when I saw wrestling. When you forced us to take one of the TVs and turn it on to wrestling is the amount of wrestling I watched this weekend. Bro, who is it, White Hendrickson?

Yeah, Gable Stevenson. White Hendrickson. So this is the heavyweight. Bro, when I was young, we went to the NCAAs when it was in St. Louis. I got to see Brock Lesnar when he was a heavyweight wrestle against the cat from Brock Lesnar was at Minnesota. This cat was at Iowa. Gophers.

And Brock Lesner wins like 4 to 2. It might have been an overtime too. But you just see, that's Brock. Yeah. And he's just back there doing his like Brock Lesner jump. And I just remember as a kid. And I was like up in the nosebleeds too. Like, yo, this dude is a badass.

But the heavyweight matchup this year is Gable Stevenson versus White Hendrickson. Gable Stevenson, just first and back. ground Olympic gold medalist is he a two time I thought Pan American is that the same thing but he's been a gold medal's like he's won the world he's like a four-time world champion based on age he's been winning world since he's like 16 or 17 years old and uh it's like a five-time all American he's like he's the best he is the best he hasn't given up a takedown since 2020 giving up a takedown you know when they take them down they wrestle them to the ground refs like three two whatever yeah he hasn't given up a take down he hasn't given up a takedown

down since 2020. Okay. He's giving up what he has him on a take down and they... Like when they're neutral, they're both on their feet. He has not lost

or given up a takedown since 2020. He hasn't lost since what? 2019. He goes on like he's won the gold medal. He's older. So he kind of came down.

He's like a 24 year old wrestling in the in the championships. But he tried the WWE. He didn't get in the WWE. I think it lasted like one match and they kind of like, hey, this isn't working out. He tried like,

I forget the cat that played for the New England Patriots, but a wrestler that, went to the New England Patriots and played and had a little bit of a career, transition from wrestler to football player. Gable tried that with the Buffalo Bills, didn't make the squad in training camp. I think that was last year. But anyway, he goes back to school and again, the best wrestler in the world.

And this dude, Wyatt Hendrickson beats him in the last seconds. And the place was pandemonium, bro. Because again, this is the best cat in the world. Like, no one's thinking that White Hendrickson is going to upset him. And I think, too, what? No, in White Hendrickson, he's like a second. Lieutenant. Air Force is what he like transferred from Air Force to OK State. And I also think he's 24 too. So people were trying to get on Gable Stevenson, you go loose to this college kid, yada, yada, yada.

Yeah. These are grown-ass fucking men, dude. And obviously you have the COVID years. So people are probably getting their extra years. Because when does COVID years end? I don't know. I think it's might be this year. This is like the last year where like COVID will have a say. Because there was one there was one cat. I think it was Sarachi from Penn State. He's a five-time national champion. The only five-time national champion of all time. But yeah, White Hendrick said he stands up, he wins. He goes and salutes Donald Trump, but the place was electric because nobody, that was one of the biggest

upsets, if not the biggest upset in wrestling history. And in the heavyweight division, like, it was just, it was crazy, bro. It was awesome. It was awesome to watch, but your boy was sketching up on the madness. It's so interesting, you talking about your relationship with wrestling. Like, you go back and you watch this and you're like, all about it. You dove into all the information. This guy transfers to Mayor Forsta.

Yeah. Okay, State. This guy went to the WWE, all these things. But then when I talk about you as an individual wrestling, you're like, it always starts with I fucking hated it. I did hate wrestling. Yeah. Is it really? Oh, yeah, bro.

Practice is harder or losing? I've always heard like cutting weight is the hardest part. Like I take the most part of the whole thing. Cutting weight sucks. Practice sucks. Like these dudes are just- Why does practice stuff? You just keep going?

You're just going all day. You're drilling for two hours at a time. You're drilling. The workouts are crazy. The coaches are psychopaths. Like one time, like, because little bro Cody wrestling at Nebraska. Like one of their workouts one day was they had a 45 pound plate

and the coaches just drive them like a few miles off campus. They drop them off, they have a 45 pound plate and they're like get back to campus. These dudes are just grinding all day long, bro. They're just embracing the self 24-7. And you're living at this height for months out of the year. Yeah. Because you're just low, you're just, you're wrestling.

You're wrestling every day all the time. It's amazing how wrestlers just understand the body. J.B. did you wrestle? No. Like, how do you know about this? Like, you're talking like you did it. Well, so our high school, I know it sounds crazy being in the southeast. It's like one of the best wrestling programs in like the country.

They've broken records for most state championships, most regional championships. And it's like similar stories where in high school, the coach took them to like this arcade place. It was like, hey, guys, like no practice, whatever, whatever. And then he leaves. And they're like, wait, how do we get back? He's like, you run back. and made him run back and so and I didn't even wrestle

this guy he could he was like you know taught science or something and he had on a state championship ring and I wasn't listening one time and he turned it around and he asked me a question and I didn't answer it and he was just like boom like slaps me on the back of the head with the ring turned inside he's like you gotta do better

I'm like I don't even read like you just slap me in my head with this ring oh shit so how he treated the actual wrestler is crazy yeah I just respect the sport. I respect the culture of it. I respect like what goes into it. So when I see these guys win in, they're celebrating with their families, like just knowing having the close up lens that I had with wrestling because Cody was so good at it. And I did it up to sixth grade, quit, had to do it

again my junior year because my parents forced me to. Like, I just know the culture so well. And I know like what goes into it. So it's just fun to see because it's like any movie, any boxer, MMA fighter, any behind the scene stuff that you see with these guys, like these wrestlers like eat, breathe, sleep, die for wrestling. And you always know, like, throughout the entire year, you know, like, where you're ranked in state, you know where you're ranked in the nation. And you just know every duel you go to,

like who's who in the zoo, any tournament. Like, growing up, it'd be like the Triple Crown winner. Cody won the Triple Crown one year where it's like Cliff King, Tulsa, I think Reno or something like that. But you go to these massive tournaments that are national tournaments because you win, Cody, one of them. You wrestle around the state and you go to all these tournaments. You kind of like ranked in the state.

But when you go to these national tournaments, But when you go to these national tournaments, and there's so many people there, like the wrestling parents, the families, everybody is there. And yeah, then you're like, hey, Cody's got to wrestle somebody from Pennsylvania. Will's got to, you know, I'm wrestling somebody from Minnesota. You're wrestling all around the country. And so I just know the culture of it.

And so I just respect it so much that when I see it on, and I see how much I followed Cody and watching Nebraska wrestling. And Jordan Burroughs, he went to Nebraska. He's like the considered the goat of wrestling, one of the goats of wrestling. So I've just always followed it. I've always loved it. Like I know my dad's always tuned in. So when we were on the phone Saturday, we're kind of chopping it up about, you know,

who's going to be in the finals tonight. Cody's fired up because he's like, yo, this is the best Nebraska's ever performed in the tournament. So it just, it like fires me up. Cody was like that, huh? Oh, Cody was a monster. Cody was a senior national champion coming out of high school. So senior nationals.

So Nebraska was like, oh, we got ourselves as a dog. Like, we're probably going to win a national championship with this kid. Yeah, I mean, those are the types of caliber guys that are going to wrestle there. and it was like, you know, when we get recruited, we drove to Missouri, Iowa, and Nebraska in one week, and Cody and I are both getting recruited at each spot because he was a dog at wrestling. Like he wrestled for Team Missouri.

Pennsylvania was always really nice. New Jersey, Iowa. Yeah, what is like the number one state? Probably the Northeast. I mean, you got, you have Iowa, Pennsylvania. I was going to say like Iowa or Minnesota. I feel like Minnesota's always got, like South Dakota. Minnesota's got a lot like the, yeah, the north,

the northeast, like those are the dogs of wrestling. Like Penn State, even though Nebraska, and Oklahoma State performed really well in this tournament. Like the upset of Wyatt Hendrickson, they had some guys kind of upset some dudes in the finals. But Penn State is like far and above. Like their head coach is Kail Sanderson, which is one of the most accomplished wrestlers of all time. And he just has this program that they just breed a college wrestling team, winning year in and year out. Like everybody's talking about Oklahoma State and Nebraska how well they did,

but they weren't even close to getting the national championship because Penn State just wins like every year. What is so you know like like with footballers like oh height strength whatever like the the attributes that guys have that be a good football player like what what are good attributes for a wrestler like dog psychotic yeah it'd be a psycho yeah I mean your mentality it starts there but dudes mobility flexibility their strength like these guys can deadlift like over five 600 pounds and weight you know they're they're weighing around like 160 170 they're doing like there was a guy I think a year or two ago won the national championship on tour nine two torn ACLs. Like, Spencer Lee. That was Spencer Lee. He's been on the bus. Yeah.

Like, Psychopath type. He's been on the bus. Yeah. Like those are the kind of, that's what makes good wrestlers is people that do not have any regard for their body.

Like, like, oh, it's just my knee. It's fine. I'll get a fix later. And they're just skill set, like the way that they're able to change levels.

Like if you were to watch like Jesse Mendez, the guy who beat Hardy for Nebraska, he wrestles for Ohio State. Their ability to like change levels. and like mess with your head and the next thing you know they're on your ankle like their

riding ability it's like you know when you're on top it's and you're asking why doesn't the guy just stand up if he wants to get out and it's like some of these guys are incredible just controlling the hips throwing in legs like wrestling on top it's it's a crazy sport bro it's like uh who what's the dude's name from Arizona state who had the one leg well that was a while ago yeah I forget his name but he's got he has a movie coming out about him yeah yeah he's got a movie coming out about him but it's like you don't even need both legs to be great what's crazy is Yeah, what's crazy is I heard? This dude's just such.

These guys are psychopath. This guy's cheating. Yeah, Anthony Robles, yeah. You're saying he's cheating. Well, no, people were getting pissed because because he was missing a leg, that's obviously so much weight taken off.

So he's in a little weight class. Yeah. Yeah. And so he would be, he should be in a higher weight. So people were getting pissed off that this guy was winning. Yeah, because he's so fucking strong.

That's crazy. Cody, by the way, shout out of his balance, too. Cody could clean. He could clean and deadlift more than me like throughout my college career. No shit.

Yeah. Like these dudes are cock strong with their grip. Yeah, Cody seems like he had that mentality big time. Cod strong? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a real fucking. Yeah.

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these things are by the way like we did ourselves a little custom ad for Bo Jengles last week Garrett great job on that by the way delicious stuff delicious it's just the smell in this room already I know

smells incredible what you got there they dropped off a little bow box for the boy ooh more we got more let's get a little Nat Geo on everybody let's zoom in on Mitch and let's see how big of a bite

he can take down yeah that's kind of my favorite part Mitch Mitch Mitch, and last time I saw you kind of half cocked it. I want you full cocked on this one. I'm going to cocked up. Cock it up, baby. Go to do a bigger bite as possible.

Take a little off and do a double bite to see how much more you can get in that one bite. That's pro shit. Two big bites rather than one. Massive bite. Two big bites in the same breath, though. It can't leave your mouth. All right. There's one.

Wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good bite. That's a good. bite and there's still so much left. Did you seem like inches way down the sandwich? Mitch, I feel like you could have a wrestler's brain. You don't have that?

You don't have that dog mentality? I ain't like that, he's saying. I wrestled in middle school. Oh, that's right. And I got beat by a girl. That's right. Bro, there are some badass women in the sport. She was on my team.

She beat me and I went home and cried. You went home and cried? I said, mom and dad, I'm not built for this. I'm not built for it. Sounds like very few humans in the world are built for this. Ooh! What a catch by Jack. And you know these boys are different.

Like we've talked about it before, the college parties with wrestlers. It's just a bunch of dudes shoulder to shoulder. And nobody care about girls. Playing all their beer game shirts off, bandanas on. Bandanas on top of the head. And then it always ends up in the yard. Always ends up in the yard. Yeah.

Cheers, brother. Cheers, man. Thank you, Bojangles. Oh, boy, boy, girl. Shoutout to the bow rounds. What do we have coming up? Let's do a shout-out, no-free shout-out while the boys are enjoying their bow-berry waffle. What, what they called?

Shout-out, Bo-Free shout-out. Chicken and Bo-Berry shout-out. You like that one, J-P? J-P. That's what I'm talking about. I want to start us off, kid. I'm going to throw it back. Some nostalgia. Throw it back, kid.

My shout-out, no-free shout-out. My shout-out, Bo-free shout-out. goes to when you were a young pup and you're just laying in your room and a fan's on on the ceiling and you're able to grab that one blade and track it all the way around

and you lose it and you keep trying to find that one blade but when you connect and you find that one blade it's euphoric that might be Hall of Fame that might be all the fame dude that had me in such a blender as a kid

like I was so obsessed with finding the one blade when it was off one time I took a marker and I put a green line on one of the blades. So when I would lay on my bed, I try to find the green line. I love I did a marker and not just like a piece of tape. Yeah, I was just rooting the house.

Knowing what I know now about homes, I would have never have done that. And then when your brain can't keep up with one, you just think to yourself, maybe there's a level to where the human mind just can't follow it. And maybe I'm there. I gotta slow it down a little bit and start tracking it. Anything to yourself?

I wonder if everybody else can do this, or am I the one guy who can track the blade going around? I love that shout out. free shoutout. I will also do a nostalgic one and it came to me on Friday. Shout out Bo free shout out. Shout out. Bow free shout out. I'm sitting outside. I set the entire campsite for the kids in the backyard this weekend. Try to do it last weekend. There was a big storm that took place. It ended up we had to pack it all in and go back in the house. Still wasn't a bad deal. But this week we were able to go outside, get the campsite going and everything like that.

And I had a little fire pit. Watching my children like Neanderthals discover fire. is one of the most fun things to watch because it takes you back as a kid when they see the fire it mesmerizes everybody even as an adult you you sit there and stare at the fire the dancing the smoke coming up it comes into your face you say white rabbit white rabbit white rabbit and then it goes away and you think you know how the fuck does that work like that it's just magic but my kids would grab sticks and they would put the stick in the fire and they'd pull it out and to see the transfer from fire to the stick blew their minds to the point where like it was like an hour and a half of them just getting sticks, catching on fire,

blowing it out, doing fun designs and putting it back. So shout out, Beauforty shout out to the discovery of fire. There you go. And also new special Lucky out on Netflix. Oh shit. Yeah, Bert Kreischer. Shout out Bert Kreischer and a special Lucky out on Netflix now. I think it was like number two in the country.

It was going. Yeah, it's doing well. It's doing well. I love that. I love that Bert gets so much love because every time Bert's on the show, there's always a nasty comments, people being crazy about Bert. But people, I mean, he still push his numbers. He still does his thing. He's the man.

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Apparently he got evicted from his apartment and apparently he's 5-5 So I'm not hating I'm just reporting facts that I saw on Twitter And no I mean that guy he's teaching us all life lessons But that's just what I'm seeing on Twitter and I hope it's not true The most incredible thing to me about that guy is when I watch this video, he gets to the pool and he goes to dive in the pool at 736. There's not a splash until 740. The ability to stay in the air for four minutes is incredible.

Absolutely incredible. This guy is different, man. He is different. Shermer's telling me, Shirm, you think it's satire? If it is satire, it's some of the best satire I've ever seen. But sadly, I'm not sure it's satire. I think he's for real. I think he's for real.

I think now that it's going so viral, I'm sure there'll be some satire with it. So I don't know because the one that sent me off was his basketball one when he's putting up shots. And the guy's just standing there in the suit, hands him that classic blue water bottle. And then at the very end of the video, he goes and hands him a big slice of watermelon. And then it cuts. I'm like, okay, I think this guy, watermelons is insane. So I'm like, okay, this guy, he's trolling us. I think he's been doing it for a while

and now it's just started to catch fire So he's probably This guy's been around for a minute I think it's going to be There's on pace to be the most viewed video on Twitter When I was real Yeah on Saturday or yesterday when I was looking I saw it at like 500 million views on X

500 million And then he's they're like Dropping all these other videos of people doing it They're like the spons are popping up everywhere Yeah And those other people are more serious Like Christian McCaffrey that guy was like being dead serious I think oh yeah yeah I think some of these guys are dead as

serious I'm gonna release one tomorrow it's good to see Christian Caffrey buy in though it's good to see him buy into a trend like this yeah did you see that guy the one that Garrett the dude that originally went famous for it last year Drew he kind of stepped back up into the spotlight he was like hang on yeah he made a Trader Joe's run well you know how he probably seen a pop off so much so much bigger than the one that he had he's like i got to get back in this thing like he was like i'm just trying to remain humble yeah yeah no that's another guy that's yeah yeah if all these guys linked it's over so what i'm gonna mean goal is to get invited to that lingo yeah jp you got one dropping tomorrow yeah i got one dropping tomorrow i wrote out nice to my stuff today oh i mean i do this every

day but you know it's good to have it written yeah you have the structure in place now it's on the show the world right so much you don't need to have a written down but it's good to have a written down with a situation. I might have to, I was thinking about one for trash day as well. Yeah. Yeah. Have you noticed anything with the banana peel on your face? I will say it felt like my skin was a little softer after I did do it.

Apparently it's got these. It was a trend back in the day where you put a banana peel on your teeth. I was seeing, I was seeing on the internet. You take the peel on you. You put it on there? No, no, yeah, you actually have to try to ingest the entire banana. Bananas apparently got biscuit. They got some nutrients that help like cleanse your skin.

Yeah? And it's apparently the big thing to keep zits off your face. Really? Apparently. Allegedly. Allegedly. So you should see very many black people with acne. That is a very good point.

Black don't crack. Dude, black guys really do have the best skin tone. And they were the only ones that were focused in the locker room on their skin routine. Yeah, me. You see them after they were doing all the suds, everything. White guys go in there, getting a cold tub and be like, that counts. Yeah, you start the question, am I going to shower? and then by the end of the year, like, all my hair is, like, getting, honestly, kind of chemically

burnt off of my legs. Little got split ends on his leg hair. Yeah. Then you see, I'd see Roshan Evans. He'd have a jar of, like, coconut oil. And he'd just be putting that all over his skin, just lathering up. Delaney, Delaney was always a cat. After he'd get out of the sauna, he'd have, like, these gloves he put on his hands to bathe himself

with his own, like, soap. Dude, I learned about the gloves, too. The gloves are crazy. In the last three years. I was like, you've got that gloves in the shower. Wow. Yeah. Maybe out there.

And you just, you know, you just stared at the line in the shot. Here we go. The AI overview. Yes, banana peels can offer some potential benefits for skin, including acting as a natural exfoliant, soothing irritation, and potentially reducing the appearance, the appearance of wrinkles and dark circles. Mm. We got to get it to 10,000.

That was my favorite. Bananas, man. If you can buy stock in bananas right now, it's about to go up crazy. I will say that Ashton cat, I mean, these folks out there are specimens. Specimens. Yeah. Bump me out a little bit Is he actually 5-5?

That's just what I'm seeing on Twitter. You know how Twitter can be. I think he's 5-9. He played college football somewhere. Alcorn State, I think. Imagine him. Imagine him coming down the middle in an A-gap wide open. You'd get him down.

Yeah. If you've proven history, you'd get him, that'd be a tackle. But breaking him. I don't know about that. I do not know about that. What else do we got, boy? It's time for me to. You want to talk about it yet?

No, it's time for me to turn. see what else is on here. James Winston to the New York Giants. Yep. Two years, eight million. You can possibly get 18? I'm kind of bummed about the giants. For his sake?

Yeah, for his sake. I don't like him going to New York. I'd rather them go to like a potential winner. Neighbors. Tennessee. Yeah, neighbors. But, bro, New York is not. You got Washington.

You got the Eagles. I mean, Dallas they'll be probably competing with a little bit, but New York's going to suck this year. Washington, their backups, Marcus. Who's the Eagles backup? It was King Fiction. They let it go. If you're James Winston, you want to go to a place that has some question marks at

quarterback so you have the opportunity to play. Yeah, but the Giants. I get you. He just did that with the Browns. Yeah, and he did well, ish. I mean, yeah, but they sucked. Still, if you can get on the field and play, I guess so. If you can get on the field and play, keep the dream alive.

Epic snow game against the Steelers. Epic snow game against the Steelers. Aaron Rogers went to Pittsburgh and left without a contract. That's standard. That sounds about right. Yeah. I think at this point with Minnesota saying, hey, we're all good on that. The Steelers is the best move for Aaron Rogers.

He'll be in the black and yellow. He needs to be in the black and yellow. Yeah, he will be. Did I read this correctly that Colorado and Syracuse are seeing permission for joint practices in a spring game? Yes. How do we feel that is actually electric? I like it. I like it too.

I like it as well. I think they don't play this year, right? That's awesome. That's what you want. Get in there, practice against each other. That's a good move by Deion. That's a great move by. And who's the head coach for Syracuse?

Well-known guy. You know. I forget his name. He's not new. He came, but he came. He came from Georgia. He came. He came from Georgia.

Coach Fran Brown. Brown. He just tweeted him. Deion was talking about it, talking about joint practices, and Coach Brown tweeted at him saying, like, let's get it going. That would be awesome.

I like the move. I feel like it's a way, like I get the new generation of NIL, not like the portal, everything else. But just competing in the spring and just keeping your guys hungry, I love the move. It'll be interesting for those players that young to be able to go into a joint practice and see how many fights take place. Because it's going to be, it is going to be tough to not start swinging on fellas during that spring practice.

You know there's not a game for years, it feels like months. Yeah. It's brutal. At least in the NFL, like you're in August. You're like, okay, a couple weeks from now, we're playing a real game. But to do that in the middle of the spring would be tough. Yeah, yeah. I like it, though.

I like that move. All right. It's a point where I turn out, I put my phone. Severance finale? Severance finale. Do you talk severance finale? Oh, I've lost it. We need more mics.

How, um, cameras out on that one. Should we have tailoring it out? You want me to get out? I'll go sit where G's at again. I'll go pee. Let's do your thing, but let's keep it out of a timer. Come on, JP. Get to the chair.

JP's pissed. And shout out everybody in the comments. they love the severance talk you guys heard me last week all i needed was one but many came in because everybody's tuned into the most popular show on tv where do we start you hated it i didn't hate it the episode was entertaining but there was parts of the episode that were frustrating and that i did hate what's the biggest thing you hate so when mark is talking to himself i was made aware of something that pissed me off even more after the fact it was a really cool scene but i felt it dragged on. And then when he's trying to explain to his any, like that reintegration

is real, why wouldn't he say, hey, you know your best friend Petey from work? He reintegrated. I met him on the outside. It's a great point. He's kind of in the moment. You know what I mean? He's kind of scatterbrained focusing. They're both just kind of focusing on themselves. Yeah. And then I don't know. What's funny too on swapping back and forth where it's just going in and out, I think it'd be so funny. You're just sitting there, getting frustrated with yourself. Because Mark S was bringing up some points.

Like, my man, I'm a person too. Yeah, but for like two months. Any mark, any mark. Barely a person. I'm with you. I'm with you. It's kind of like, but you can't talk to him that way.

For sure. You can't like, hey, bro, we are the same guy. Like, you're going to be so happy because we're together. But in any's mind, he doesn't have to leave. Like, why do I have to trust you?

We saw the power of the P on full display. Yeah Horniness one Bro That's what made me most sad Is when he Very end when he goes to hellie Jack you think it's helling

I'm 99% sure that is not Helly just because they They had made the point to Have their goodbye in the office And they're like I'll see you at the equator And then all of a sudden The one look that Heli or Helena gives

Is like That's not the look Helly would normally give. It's that real devious kind of like, I'm up to something. And so why would they say their goodbyes only for her to show up right at the very end and then run off? And also me and Cooper talking about this when a milkshake comes up and he's talking with Keir like that creepy wax figure. Like that wasn't just some recorded audio. Coop makes the point that he thinks the consciousness of Keer Egan is still alive. 100%. And so, but I think, that they're going to take Helena and make her the CEO and like the board has existed always

as like the consciousness of the proprietors like where you saw in season one when they get to go to the perpetuity wing yeah so and to jack's point with helie and helena um she was oh crap what was i i was reading this though i'm losing it don't we so there's no part of us as thanks Helena wants this thing to fail? I don't think so because I mean every time they've shown Helena like outside she's very Right very heavy on Lumen like she there's nothing that they've shown from Helena's perspective that she is like doesn't enjoy yeah question she's kind of weirded out when jame or dad is sitting there when she's eating the raw egg but remember yeah we should take them raw but

hellie when when hellie and when when when hellie and when when when hellie and mark are having their conversation about like the equator and everything she's like hey we're going to die down here they're going to kill us off once they're done with us there's no need for us so why would hellie show back up at that end scene if she believes we're going to die down here anyways what's the point yeah no that's a good point because part of me too after when i was talking with charro i was like they had that moment by the computer helie why wouldn't she just say no you have to go right like Hey, Equator, like you were saying earlier. And she gave that huge speech to the marching band where she's like,

so many of you've lost people like, you don't want to be next. And then all of a sudden it ends with her being like, we're going to stay down here. Also, does the marching band exist in Lumen? Are they hired to come down? Or is that their sole purpose? And they've just been living this life. No, like just being a marching band.

The marching band scene was iconic. And the serious, the Bulls theme song, when they played that for. for milkshake to come out, my jaw was on the floor. I was like, what, what is going on at this point? It was such a stressful episode. The whole time, you're just like, what is going to happen next? And I want to know if milkshakes can end up turning.

He has to turn. I think he turns. The reason he has to turn is because I don't know how you make 10 more episodes off of how they left it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another part that bothered me. that ending.

I'm like, I just can't say, I can't picture them being able to do a whole 10 more episodes. Yeah. I've like they have a lot to run with now because they can do a whole Gemma storyline where I think Coop was saying it where is it going to be flip where now Jimma was always the main character

and they're going to show her trying to rescue Mark. Right. Is Helena now maybe she goes away from Lumen but she's fallen in love with Mark S and she wants to take him because she found Mark in the real world after she had slept with them. And so I don't know if they're going to want like,

there's so many like different ways they could go about it, but I did see in an interview, people were really upset that Jima thinks that that was Mark, not Mark S, but her actress confirms that she knows that that is Mark's Annie and not her husband when she's left at that door. I loved how they were getting severed in and out, like all the ones they were having.

And then all of a sudden, Miss Casey's back. And they're like, do that death too. with what's his name? Bro, drumming. And then all of a sudden, thank God. I know, because I'm like,

how is he going to wiggle through this? Yeah. And then the gun goes off. But also, how about Brianna Tarth? Just beating his ass. And after she took some licks, too, like putting him up on the wall.

Yeah. Oh, dude. But I guess also going into the next season, so what, Mark leaves Lumen, goes out into his Audi life and sees Gemma and is like,

oh hey you're alive why would he go back down there's no way they let him leave now right because of that point he's in there and then yeah they're just gonna drive me insane what if they this is a crazy one I just thought of I'll ask it in a second

but what do we think about Milchick do we still think he'll turn at some point or is he confirmed op I think he was moved by heli speech too yeah he's just there's bits and pieces he can put in bad spots he does And he stays true to his profession.

But even with the, the Egan, the way he was talking to him in the speech, and he kind of stayed heady about it, like a claymation, you're five inches shorter. And you hear the other consciousness laughing in the background. But I think he eventually turns. He has to. He has to. He's right there the way he gets treated. It's just too, yeah, I think it'll happen.

If he doesn't turn in the first two episodes of the third season, I'm not watching. Bro, you can't do that. I will boycott. We need to go to Lumen. I'll stay out there with a sign because it's a real place. Free Millcheck. And that's what people don't understand,

man, like this is going on. This is actually happening. You guys are sleeping at the week. You did show me a clip earlier today of Adam Scott in Parks. Yeah, Parks and Rec explaining the separating work from home. That's crazy. You know just Lumen and Severance.

They've been playing just 8D chess since 2014. dropping Easter eggs Until next time Yeah until next time It'll come out sooner Yeah they did say it'll come out sooner If they're granted a third episode But they're granted a third episode

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A little backstory on that. It was obviously wrapped before. And then we had some guys come in, come in and shout out Wick Customs. They came in and they were kind of give us like, hey, this 50-50. When we started to take this thing off, it could just ruin the entire pain. So seeing it for the first time, it's pretty pristine. I don't know, but the eight out there's got a little wear and tear. That's all right.

But I kind of like it. Yeah, a little character. It's nice, man. Yeah. Bus looks great. It's good to be back. Thanks for having me back. I'm excited about y'all's new partnership with bud light.

I've worked with Anheuser-Busch for years. Still got a relationship with them here, the Dacass car. Your butt-heavy, though, yeah. Yeah, so we call them blue-coats red coats. Yeah, blue-coats, red coats. Blue-coats and red coats, but the butt-heavy, yeah. So, but I enjoy plenty of bud lights in my lifetime. Yeah.

And so it's cool you guys got that relationship. So glad that that's kind of what has allowed you to kind of get back to your identity and bring the bus back and all that. Yeah, man. It takes from coming out, too. Like, I was telling when you were over here, taking a Tuesday, he came in and he had all these gifts. I'm like, yeah, you're like the best guests.

Like, you're flying in for the boys. You're coming with gifts. Very rarely do guests come and they bring gifts. Yeah. Us giving out stuff. But yeah, I was like really running over here, take my little afternoon Tuesday, and you were like pulling up and he had like,

what, multiple helmets in your hand, a bunch of stuff. I was like, oh, man, he's bringing some cool stuff. I didn't think it was going to be for us. Yeah, I brought these. The helmets weren't. The helmets weren't, but I got these dope coosy. You said your dad made these? So I remade my dad's coozy from 1981.

And back in 81, that was a coozy, like the foam boat, float in the water kind of thing. Yeah. So I had a company remake those for me because I just loved the nostalgia and all things earned heart from back in the day. And I brought you some more modern, the Bud eight coosies that we had made. We drunk. It is badass, man. Just some gifts, some drink.

Some fun. Yeah. I wonder when, because we were talking before this started, Jack McPherson had a nice little tweet about the 2004 Bud Light can. Like, when are we going to bring these back? We need to talk to Bud Light about what does Buzz and what the boys have to do to bring back a vintage can. Yeah.

Yeah. But just in general, like I feel like the 80s and 90s, that vintage type of style needs to make a comeback in some way. We might be the podcast and you might be the individual as well to help us get that done. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, it's recognizable. All the logos, they kind of change and evolve over time. some people come in and put a new modern take on on the on bud light or something like that but it is kind of cool those cans can become collectors you know but light always does this annually where they'll where i live uh they do panthers cans Carolina panthers can so it's all black with the panthers and all that stuff and yeah they did that for Washington one year I still got like a case of Washington cans right that I'll never drink and so it's kind of cool all the things that they do but it would be cool to throw back the mud label bring the frogs back bring the old

He was back, like, I feel like if you did a callback on a couple of those commercials, people would just stand in a plot in their living room. So, pause it and be like, let's just get a run of applause for that. So back in, back when I was working with Bud hardcore was 2000 all the way up until 08. And I was at the National Sales Convention every year where they would unveil the commercials before anyone else got to see them. And Bud and Bud Light specifically had the best Super Bowl commercials. You know, you mentioned the frogs and lizards, the was I guys. I mean, every year we would go to these national sales convention. There would be probably 50 celebrities.

Everybody they were working with was there, singers, bull riders, actors. And we all sat in the same spot. There would be 5,000 people in this room, like bottlers and retailers and all their people, all the bud people for all of their brands. And we all sat down and we're like, can't wait to the commercial part, right? We were going to watch all the commercials. And they were great because they were really, you know, it's funny. shit.

Some of the best commercial. Remember the bud bowl? The like the football bottles out there playing during the Super Bowl. Yes. They had like the Bud Bowl. Like as a kid, that was cool as shit. The Clyde's days. I wasn't even on up to drink beer.

Clydeals ripping. There was one they did for the Super Bowl that was like a bunch of horses playing football. And then one of the guys, one of the Cowboys out there is like that refs in a ass. Yeah. Nope. I believe it's a zebra. Yeah.

That would a, what a commercial. I'm a teenager watching the Bud Bowl and I'm like, I'm watching a Super Bowl. And I'm like, I can't wait till the fucking Bud Bowl comes back. I want to see if Bud Light wins. You're like legit, like bought in the damn thing. That's just a gimmick, right? Yeah. But, dude, it's, so when you first started, when you get into NASCAR for the first time,

everyone obviously has their presenting sponsor. Yours was Budweiser. Was that like pretty clear cut, easy to get done? Yeah. Or was like, were other people trying to get you before? Oh, I don't know. I was, I was, I wasn't involved. I was so young and my dad was doing the wheeling and dealing in the background.

And he, the bud deal that we did, that at that time in 2000 was 10 million a year. It was the biggest deal that anybody had. They were coming from Hendrick Motorsports where they had been for quite a while. And so that was pretty unique because Hendrick Motorsports is I would drive for them down the road. They're a well-respected company. And so to kind of pull a brand like Bud from them to, and Bud was taking a chance on me to be good. And so it was really cool.

I remember August Bush rides into our shop on on with the Clydesdells and the and the dog on top of the bud, you know, the big wagon and the stage code, whatever that thing was. And they roll into our shop and they, he comes down, hops down. August Bush, the guy owns a company, shaking my hand. Man, I remember going to the brewery and or the business downtown in St. Louis and walking through there. and just being amazed to be connected to such a massive iconic brand back then. Did you ever get to influence like a decision with them sponsoring you? Well, anything creatively? No, not really.

With the car. No, no, no, no. Hey, bring the vintage cans back. No, the one thing. So they were funny because they're, there's some healthy competition between Bud Light and Budweiser and all their other brands. like they they compete inside the business and kind of like teammates racing teammates competing in each other but it's healthy right raises everybody up and um you don't want to be by your teammate you want to be the best teammate right and so there's a little healthy competition inside the business with bud light and bud wiser and so i went to them one time i didn't know about that i went to them one time i said you know it'd be cool i was like what if i drove a bud light car one race i always drive the bud car every week what if i did a bud light car i think it'd be cool i was like what if i did a bud light car i think it'd be cool And they're like, hell no, you're never running a Bud Light. Shut it down immediately.

Yeah, they were like, no. That does sound crazy. I think of it as just like Budhead is just like the big. They're all together, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We met with them in New Orleans during the Super Bowl. And I think I said something about Bud Wiser and Bud Light to one of the guys. And they kind of looked at me like, we're not going to do that.

No. Yeah. Yeah. And they're, the other thing that I learned from them that was really, I've hung on to this. I don't know right or wrong. I thought this was, hey, they're success. so I'm going to believe in this idea is they rarely wanted to change the car, the way the car looked. They loved the continuity and that you could look out in the field from the grandstands and immediately see that car and it looked the same all the time.

And they love that continuity, the car being the same. Whereas today, you know, there's different sponsors, different, you know, your favorite driver's driving a different looking car every week. and it's tough to sort of follow along and there's no there's no equity built up in a look of a car, right? But man, when I drove Budweiser, like, you can show fans this car and they're like right away, that triggers their nostalgia and they're like, oh man, that was my car. Because I ran that car and it looked like that for five, six, seven years and we never changed it. They just, we would bring them all kinds of ideas and we did some one-off stuff with baseball, and other people here, you know, they had an all-star car and they did, they did some music

stuff with different bands. But for the most part, like, they didn't want to change the look of the car too much. I adhered, like, I kind of, like, believe in that idea of building equity and continuity in a, in a brand in the way it looks. Like, I don't mind modernizing a logo, but it's got to have, it's got to still look like the original. Yeah, it's got to have some tied. Right. Yeah. And just like you're saying, like if a casual fan goes and watches a NASCAR race and they're able to point out of a vehicle that they've seen to get seen before. That's like I'm feeling they're more part of it. Yeah.

Oh, okay, I know. They feel like they know a little bit more about the race now, everything. But if you're changing colors, like when we're at your shop, it seemed like you guys had a different pain scheme for everything. That's the way modern NASCAR today, everybody runs a different looking car because you need so many partners, so many sponsors. You can't have like one sponsor that can fund the entire season. So we have to run a different sponsor almost every other week.

But like if you look back in the history, everybody remembers the black three car. Dad had the same sponsor for many years. Jeff Gordon in the Rainbow 24. You remember those cars because they were in that same car every week, every year for multiple years. And they built equity and value in that. They still lean into that today. So we do too. Like I ran this car, this little late model stock car.

I ran it at a place called Florence, South Carolina last November. And man, we unveiled the idea that we were going to do this and people went ape shit. And just balled right into it, right? and all the people started, you know, everybody on social media sharing stories about their experiences and watching, you know, the Cup version of that car back in the 2000s run and where they watched it race. And it was really a great experience.

Dude, that is awesome. Yeah. Did you ever have, like, in your racing days, where you might have finished, like, 12th or middle of the pack and it felt like a big win? Oh, yeah. So there's this one race I always talk about. So it's always,

great to celebrate the wins, obviously, but I'm sure y'all had games where maybe the overall outcome wasn't what you were looking for, but you had there's moments, right? Maybe it was a sack or an interception or something like that. Or you just had a great game that nobody's going to remember, but you. There was a race at Martinsville, North Carolina, or Martinsville, Virginia, probably 2004, 2005. we start to race big crash in term one. I'm in it and tear the right front off of my car

and the damage the back of the car. There it is right there on the screen. So by time we got the car kind of repaired and able to get back on the track, that's what it looked like. I'm out there getting ready. It's like five laps into the race. It's a 500 lap race at this tiny little bull ring.

And I get back out there and I'm like, God, dang, this is going to be a long day. My car is wrecked. It's not going to be competitive. I'm going to be in the freaking way all day. This is going to suck. We get to running and running along there. Nothing's really happening.

But as the run, as the laps start clicking off, start passing a few cars, start going by a few more guys. My car is feeling good. Guys are getting worse. And I'm just starting to both. I drive through the field all the way up into the top 10. I'm like, shit, we're good. This is going to be, this car is great.

And I drive up into the top 10. I spend myself out right here underneath the 12 car, have to go right to the back of the field again, drive right back to the front. It ended up finishing like fifth, fourth or fifth. the race. I'm in the photo as we're coming off term forward. It's battling for the win. I'm there. I'm there, right? And, you know, I just always, I got a, somebody made me a custom die cast of that car. It's like the size of this thing that I have in my collection. I got a little modest collection of custom shit. And so, somebody made me one of those. And I'm like, this is like my favorite race I didn't win because of

all the shit that went wrong and how bad it should have been. But we just didn't stop trying in a actually was badass. So the fact that the fender's missing, it kept the right front tire cool and allowed the tire to really outperform everyone else who had a tire that had a big fender on it that was in there getting cooked by the brakes and the engine and everything else. And so the fact that my car is out in the wind actually was an advantage over the long course of the day. And that's why the car, I think, actually ended up being really more competitive than it should have been. There's obviously rules and regulations of like how car is supposed to be setup and all that but you ever like think like I wonder if it's like a tear away

kind of like the pants we talked about like to where you can clip it's like a disadvantage yeah maybe just like hit the wall real quick oh yeah boy it happens that's the cost of doing business with the pad you take out certain parts of your shoulder pads to be a lighter michael bennett used to do that you later on yeah yeah there is um there's uh there's a there's an advantage if you lose the tail piece of the car NASCAR won't let you run that NASCAR makes you come down pit road and reinstall the tail if the whole tail comes off. So the back bumper.

If that back bumper being on there creates a lot of drag underneath it. Air comes from under the car and gets into the back bumper. So if that were to come off, that's kind of an advantage in some scenarios. And so NASCAR makes you reinstall that. But we, after this happened,

I joked with my teams for the rest of my career. Like, hey, when we go back to Martinsville, you know, if the front fender falls off, it's okay. Like don't, don't, you know, if there's a reason why. I'm Brady Nudge like, hey, the footballs are actually better when they're deflint. Not telling you what the deal, but if we could have a little like somewhere there, I wouldn't be mad.

Why is Dale driving into the wall? There's a process. He's acting a little weird, huh? Yeah. So when you went back there, you're kind of hoping. No, I just knew. And there was a picture of a guy named Harry Gant, and he won that race in 1981 at Martinsville, and he had the right, he had damage on the right front front tires exposed. He won that race again in 1991 with the right front fender.

completely gone, same guy. And then probably a handful of years ago, I think Martin Tricks Jr. Or somebody else ran really well with a lot of damage in the right front tire, the left front right front tire, I think exposed. And so, I mean, it's kind of common knowledge now, but you can't build a car to where the shit

would just fall off for you. They'll catch you? Yeah, it would be tough to do that. When you have success the way you do there, like, I don't know about you, but like in the football world, like a lot of guys are superstitious. Some guys lay their stuff out,

to listen to certain music and stuff like that. Did you have like a game day ritual that you would hit every single, every single week? Well, you just got, you just woke up pissed excellence and got after it. I, um, my superstitions were all the general traditional common knowledge superstitions, like walking under ladders, breaking mirrors, um, the number 13. In racing, uh, people used to say the color green. That was like a widely hard adhered to superstition.

The color green was bad luck. Now, that didn't make any sense to me because there were green race cars. Money is green. There's green, you know, there was moments where green didn't seem to bother my luck, right? And so I didn't really bind to that. Peanuts, for some reason, peanuts around a race car, there's people that are old heads kind believe peanuts is bad. Okay.

Like just having peanuts around. Yeah, don't eat peanuts around my car. Get away from my car. Doesn't matter if they're shelter or unshelters. Just humans in general. So. These are pistachios. Yeah.

Oh, he's good. He's good. Let him go. But that's a bit of an older wise tale. But, man, I was one that kind of believed in the, like, the traditional stuff. And like, yeah. What's the weirdest superstition you've ever seen from a different driver? I think the ones you hear about, I don't even, is they're even hard to believe is, like,

race car drivers wearing the same pair of underwear, every race. Like, they got a specific. pair of underwear that they have to wear that day. Yeah. Or, yeah, I don't, I've heard some kind of strange stuff like that, but nothing too crazy, to be honest with you. I didn't, I did, I, I was more worried about like, don't eat anything that's going to fuck your stomach up, you know, or like, have you ever gotten the bubbles like a bubbly,

like a bubbly gut, bubble gut? Yeah. Bubble guts. Yes. Yeah. Bubble gut. Yeah. Hold that of those cheeks tied in there, huh?

It's so tough. So you've had it when you're out there racing? You shit yourself? No, I never shit my pants. Have you missed yourself? Oh, yeah. Lots of times. Hell yeah, brother. Hell yes.

So on the hot days. You got bubble cuts, bro. There's no, I mean, you can hold it in, but it's going to, you have a slight release. Like, let me try to get some air out. But you're like, there's no room for air here. I think for like the normal population of people, like you're very aggressive with getting the air out of your butt. Like, you'll take a chance that most people, I remember being in the airport with you and me like, I'd go to the bathroom real quick. I just shit myself.

You know, I feel like you kind of don't possess the quality of thinking like, oh, poop might come out here. There's an art. There's an art to getting. Always finding the limit. There's an art to getting the gas around the poop. Yeah. And getting that out. I agree.

But when you got bubble cuts is kind of, you don't know. So like the shit's coming. You're going to shit, right? But if you can get the air around the shit that buys you a little time. Yeah, you just, yeah, that's, you know, that takes the pressure down. The ship's going down. You got to get some weight off to slow the ship from second year. That buys you about 10 minutes.

The air coming out, wrapping around the turd almost kind of pushes it back up a little bit. It just takes the pressure down. That's basic science is what you guys are talking about right now. That's hydraulics. Yeah. You're pushing the thing back. So if you're, I was pretty good at just, you know, making, I could fart. If I needed shit, I could probably, you know, I can relieve the pressure without shit in my pants. And so I never shit my pants.

Okay. But with bubble guts, you were able to hold it in. Yeah. I mean, the problem is, is though, do you, I mean, this is funny. We're talking about this. Do you know, my problem was is that when the, you know, whatever the moment is, right, whether you're in a race or you're driving home and you're like, holy shit, I got to get to the fucking toilet.

It's coming. Your body knows when you're near that toilet. Isn't that crazy? Because like you, you're like, all right, I made it into the driveway. I'm going to be fine. And then as soon as you get near the front door, it's like, fuck, no, we got to go now. Got a sprint. It's like the time is now.

Yeah. And you fortunately just get your pants down right in time, like as you just start going into the toilet. Now, a couple of those situations where you're literally flying by the seat of your pants where you're like unbuckling and kind of like doing this hit maneuver to jump onto that toilet just in time is you're hitting toilet the same time things are coming out. Yeah. That's a wild deal. Your body knows.

It's like, hey, man, you're not fool me. You're near a toilet. Yeah. This is happening. I got to go. But pissing yourself, that's status quo. So this is the thing with pissing yourself. Can I, so, yeah, I basically, I want you to explain this, but then I also want to know probably

on a percentage on a race. How many of those drivers have wet pants? To be clear. We're not shitting ourselves. regularly. Yeah. But we do pee on ourselves sometimes. This happened to me probably a half a dozen times in my career.

So you, the inside of a race car is a good day, 120 degrees, 125, 130, on a bad day, 150 degrees, super hot. So when you know, you know beforehand, like on a Thursday or Friday, you're like, it's, fuck, man, Sunday, race day, it's going to. to be 95 degrees. It's going to be some miserable inside the car. And so you start thinking about that and you start hydrating, right? You're trying to do a little extra hydrating. You get up in the morning. You're drinking water and everything.

And there's a lot of things that are happening right before you get into the car, driver's intro and a couple other things, handshaking and gripping and grinning photos that are, they're roadblocks to pissing. Like you can't get to the John. And so you don't get to use the bathroom and make sure you're good to go before you get in the car. You hop in the car, you buckle up, start your engines. You're in. You're committed, right?

You're going to drive this thing off pit road and start this race. Then you're like, shit, I got a pee. And I got a three and a half hour drive in this car. I got a piss. You can't focus if you're holding a pee. You can't. Like you, you know, you're miserable. Koshch comes out.

You're like, shit. You know, sometimes when you're driving in the race, Green Flag, there's enough that focus that it can take your mind off of it. But, you know, caution comes out. You're like, fucking, I'm just going to piss. and so it's kind of hard to piss yourself too. You over. It is.

Trying to like relieve yourself. It's like doing it in front of somebody. Yeah. You have to be fully relaxed too. The minute you try to flex or like hitting a turn, you got to strain a little bit. Like it closes a back on you. You have to do it under caution.

I don't think I've ever been able to piss driving in green flag conditions because you're focusing so much and thinking about driving the car, you know. But there's the times that it's happened. You just can't get, you're not going to get to the finish. You're not going to, you're going to pitch yourself. It's going to happen. You got to, you know, accept the situation you're in. It's not a big deal because you're sweating your ass off.

It's miserable in there anyways. It's, you know, it's already gross. Yeah. And so when you go, the only problem is, is so you get done. And I always had white suits, right? And so I'm like, so I'm thinking like, I got this white suit. I'm like, shit's going to be obvious, right? When I get out, if we're going to look at me and go, damn, he fucking pisses himself.

Like it's obvious. Like water boy sheets over there hanging outside. And so what I would do is I would say if I had pissed myself, I figured it out. I got, I'd say, hey, bring me an orange gatorade when I get done here. When I pull up, when I'm done, I pull up onto the pit road and I'm going to get out. Like, bring me an orange gatorade. And I would pour that orange gatorade all over to like blend it in. So you couldn't see.

Yeah, that is some dehydrated piss. Yeah. Well, it changes the color of your clothes. Yeah. And so I get, I'm just, you know, I don't want people to go, that, look, too. Dude, pissed him. So I would kind of blend it in and then I would get out of the car. And then you have to tell the interior guy.

There's a guy that's responsible for the interior of the car. That's his job. He works on that part of the car all week long. And he's got to clean up the interior and then he's got to get it ready for the next race. And so that's his role. And he's your buddy because he knows everything about what's going on inside that car with you. And he knows everything you touch and you and him talk all the time. time about let's move this knob i can't reach it or let's put this over here that'll be more

comfortable and hey man i need to change my seat it just don't feel right and so you and him are close good buddies texting pals right and you got to tell him man hey man i piss the fucking seat you know you're gonna monday morning i'm sorry you know you're gonna take this seat out and it's gonna fucking smell i'm sorry you know what you you can't i mean you feel bad you kind of want to go and and help him get this seat out sometimes that's not possible but he has to pull the there's an insert the the seat has a foam insert that's made perfectly for you so he just has to pull that out and then you know steam it down or hose it or pressure wash it or whatever hang it up yeah but that's tough telling a guy look you got

you got to you got to put up with this shit yeah yeah have you ever puked yourself never while driving no no no like you just you got the helmet on you're so that was I'm not feeling right you start puking down here so there's some guys actually pretty bad ass I know some guys that have done that. And I can't imagine being so miserable that you've got a full-face helmet on, right? And you may be comprised. I mean, when you got a puke, a lot of these guys are puking during the race while they're battling, right? Running in eighth place.

And all of a sudden, I had this one guy that was driving my car. And he's racing along. And we're having a good day. He's running like seventh or eighth. And it's coming down to the end. And he just kind of goes high and loses a couple spots. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? he was throwing up.

He just got sick and he's like, push, pushes his helmet up just a little bit. And he's like, throwing up all over himself. And it was like shredded chicken. Oh, whatever he'd ate. Some Chipotle. Something that just was bad news. And it just was everywhere. When he pulls in after the race, it's just everyone.

It's one of them things, you know, when your kid throws up, it just goes everywhere. Yeah. And you're like, ah, you know, you're the one that has to clean it up. You're looking in there and you're like, God, dang, man. That's just, it's everywhere. You don't touch anything because it's all over the place. But so that luckily never happened to me because I was specifically, like, my morning meal, I usually wasn't a breakfast guy. So my meal before race was bread and, and like ham and mustard.

And like this is basic. I wasn't going to. Yeah, you ain't going to grill me a piece of chicken. Sounds like him separate. Yeah. Bread is bread, ham, ham, and then I'll have the mustard on the side of it. I'm not going to do like a grill chicken. I wasn't going to risk, you know, eating something that was not cooked properly.

You're just, even though it was like highly unlikely you were going to have a problem, I just wouldn't risk it. So I ate something very basic and just get something on, get the foundation in there and then go to work. It's a little stitions. Like just like rookies being super nervous about their first NASCAR race. Yeah. You're kind of getting in. The elements are kind of getting to you.

You just start to get a little dizzy. You're like, yo, I got to puke. Yeah. The guys are pukes like guys puke before games. Oh, I know guys that Noah Grags. drove for us and he's in a cup series now he had a situation or an issue where I think he was holding his breath a lot at the end of these races and so if you you know how like if you guys maybe like went a little bit too hard in a sprint or something and you get done and you like

your body like sort of has this sort of moment where it's like you fucking overdid it you know and you get a little sick maybe um he would hold his breath I think late in these races and he would win these, you know, he would win a race, get out, you know, and you get, the other thing, too, I wonder if this has happened to y'all guys in football, but there's no one. He's a wild one. So, oh, nice air. We're going to zoom in on him real quick. This guy's got a, he's a wild man. He's got an attitude about him. He does. He's like a modern day Tim Richmond. He's got that Paul Swan with a zip down. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. We, in a sport that, in a sport that succeeds on personality,

he brings a ton. Yeah. So he would get out of the car, and I think he held his breath a little bit in the last few laps after trying to win these races. And then he would get out and expel all of this energy over being excited. And then it would hit him, and he would just bend over and throw up right on the front straightaway, holding the checkered flag. He's like, yeah, look, there he is.

That's after winning a truck race at Martinsville, he's throwing up on the track. How do you get to where you're holding your breath at the end of the race? Like you're just so focused so you're just like not breathing? Yeah, I think that you, because when you go into the corner, you sort of every, when you go into a turn, you like flex every muscle in your body. Like you're pushing against the seat. You're pushing against the steering wheel. Like if the steering wheel was made of aluminum, man, you would just probably twist that thing right off the steering shaft. And so like every time you go in the corner, your legs are going against the leg braces.

And you're just, every muscle is just flexed all the way. and you know how like guys if you ever go up with the with the blue angels or any of those guys they had those grunting practices when they get into the jeans you do that too not because of the same reason they do but you just you go in the corner you're just driving this car and so like you don't breathe for a minute like for a brief 15 seconds right then you might breathe down a straight away then this corner comes again and you hold your breath and I think that he was probably doing that to an excess and then he gets out, wins the race, gets out and goes, yeah, you know, and just expels all of this excitement. And then he goes, you know, he just gets sick. I mean,

I wonder, like, if, say, take yourself to, like, you know, a moment in a game where you're, you're playing hard, you're, you're using, you're using all of your energy, right? You're pushing yourself almost to that limit. You know where that limit is where you can ride all day and you're right there and then you have a great play that you expelled a little more

to get that play to happen right? And you're like fucking I went a little hard there and then you maybe celebrate you know and there's this sort of your body sort of says fucking calm down man you know you're about to throw up.

Yeah. Or have you ever had that happen? I've never had it but I know guys guys do throw up like I mean when you're exerting all that energy anyway. Yeah. Even with workouts guys would be puking after like gpp or something when you're doing like work capacity so yeah i never

i only threw up i don't remember ever throwing up in a game um i know what you're talking about though with like the like exertion of energy for me it always came like long drives and you think you score and then you're getting hyped with the boys you're celebrating then there's a flag or they actually call it back and you have to do another playing you're like oh yes because your your your body has a sense of being like okay it's over i've expelled rest right now yeah because you know you have a break coming up that's perfect and it's like oh no no no you got to go one more one or two more place. That's perfect. But I've never ran into a situation where I threw up. We played a game in London and I think, I think it was 2016 against the Chargers and my left guard got hurt. And then

Corey Levin, shout out the boy who just actually resigned. He didn't think he was playing. So he's having pints in London with the boys. He's enjoying London a little bit. And I remember like right when he got in the game, we had like an eight, nine, 10 play drive and we're in the middle of the field and we're in the huddle kind of waiting. I think it was like a TV timeout or an injury timeout, something like that. and he just starts puking. I'm just starting rubbing his back. Hey, you're going to be all right.

It's going to be okay. Yeah. But there's nothing worse than I can't imagine the feeling of being in the middle of a game. Yeah. I'm not yacking. I'm not puker. I don't, I can't,

like I can. I have one situation. I can get shithammer drunk and I feel like I want to throw up and I know that I will feel better if I do. I had a stomach bug last week. And I'm laying on the couch. Like, God,

if I could just throw up, but I ain't got it. I'm not like that. You don't ever get that. I'm easy on the trigger. I can't do it. We had some bad oysters in New Orleans. God.

And it was like I'm laying in bed and I'm thinking the same thought you are on the couch. Like, man, I just got to throw up. And I'll just sit there and gag myself until I throw up. I don't see, even trying that, I don't, I've tried to do that back in the day. I just can't. It's got to come out the other end for me. I mean, he'd go. That's, so you've never, you've never puked?

Not many times. Like I did get real fucked up one time. And I remember the last time I threw up. Puking rally, Dale. Yeah. remember last time I puk drunk. That was a long time ago. Yeah.

Yeah. The drinking always gets me. We do beer Olympics. I do shots. I can hold myself for a while. I can't do shots. But once I know like the game's over. I'll even tell like I'm,

I'll go on a trip with some buddies and I'll tell them like in a text message before we leave. I'm like, don't even fucking talk about shots. We're not doing it. I got. I drink. I drink beer all day. I know my thing.

I got a damn plan, right? Yeah. I know how. I know my pace. Yeah. Especially when you get up there. you're getting older. Don't be giving,

yeah. Don't throw a shot into the middle of the day or, you know, eight o'clock at night after we've been going for eight hours. Don't be throwing a shot in there because that, that ruins it. That's Taylor. When you've been going for eight hours, I am a villainous friend to have when you're, when you're out.

Because I'll start to get a little, little cooked up. And then when I put the on switch on, I want to go. Yeah. But I don't want to go alone. It's not fun to go alone. You want to bring your boys with you.

So I'm definitely the guy that's like, I will always buying shots. I'll buy like, I'll buy like, hey, let me get 20 of them. And then I'll just start dishing them out. I'll go to, Will you take it. I know Will is big on like, I got you, buddy. And then one, two, three.

We're like, sit in the corner. Yeah. So I got to stay on. I got to stay on, Will. I'm watching. I'm watching. Yeah. I can see somebody's, somebody's getting a freaking shot.

They're getting shots. Fuck. You got that six seconds. I'll chug my beer so I can spit the shot in the beer. That's my plan. Smart. I'd rather chug a full beer than to take that shot. But usually like there's a couple of sips left in the beer and I'm like I'll see it coming.

I'll be like, all right, I'm ready to take this shot. Yeah, put it in your mouth. Yeah, yeah, the whole the drinking thing. Eight hours into boozing with the boys, though, and shots get brought up. It's kind of, it always sounds like a good idea. Yeah, but it always sounds like. I mean, if you're drunk, there's really knows that you're not really in the mindset of saying no anymore. Yeah, real maturity is realizing like around 11 p.m.

You stop drinking. Yeah. Like, let me try to. That's when your brain starts to be like, hey, there is a tomorrow. Yeah, if you're lucky enough, there's going to be tomorrow. Yeah. And that's when it becomes tough, man. You were talking about, like, all this stuff that happens before the race.

So I won't speak for Will, but for me, like, the most anxiety I would have before a game would be jogging out. They're doing announcements. You do, hey, how we doing? Everyone's kind of dapping up. Guys are in the corner praying. Then all of a sudden the national anthem happens. And when that national anthem happens, it's like my heart rate is probably higher than it'll be the entire day. Like, I'm just thinking about all the possible things that could go wrong.

like what these plays are, these specific ones. So my anxiety is so high. Yeah. What's it like for you when it's like you're doing the announcements and then you have to go shake the hands, kiss the babies. Like I can't imagine being social before competition. Is that a very difficult thing for you? Very difficult. Yeah.

Yeah. That was our sport prides itself on being really accessible. So we we did it because it was like a, we're boasting on our sport right in our industry, how how people can come up and shake our hand or say, hey, hey, to us right before climbing in the car. But it was hard mentally to like really listen to a conversation. If somebody wanted to tell you a story like, hey man, we met once. Oh, that's how it always is.

I'm like, yeah, I can't really tune in right now. I'm a little sit here wrinkle my forehead. Nod, yes. I really don't you hate when people too are like, hey, do you remember me? Yeah. Like, all we've met before. You're just thinking, bro, I'm about to jump in this car right now to go race. You want me to recall, remember the time that we met?

People got to have a little awareness. Yeah. Like if you're about to go jump in a car and do 500 miles. It's like, any, all of the, all of the, anything happening like in that two hours before the race, before you're climbing in that car is, it feels like just a big, big obstacle. And you cannot wait to get in the car because you can't be breached. You can't be, you know, you're, you're in there and no one's coming in there with you, right? And you finally like get some, and you're sitting on your ass, right? So you're like relaxed.

and you're in your seat that's custom made for you. Everything feels good and comfortable. And sometimes on them hot, I don't know if you guys ever did this, thinking about the hot days that we had, I would get a water bottle, multiple water bottles, and poke a hole in the end of it, and I would soak my entire suit before I got in the car.

And so my thought process was my body sweats to cool me down. If I'm already wet, I'm already kind of beating it to the punch, and it's still going to sweat. I'm still going to burn, you know, lose some water. But I'm like, it don't have to rush to do that job or get that started in the first hour of the race, right? And so if I soak the suit, now it's not poor. It's just wet. The whole fucking thing's wet like you put it in a bucket and wrung it out.

Man, I'd get in the car and I'm pretty comfortable even on like a 95 degree day. And as soon as I get moving, any kind of air moving, it's like cool and like it's breathing through that suit. Some guys like to take the water bottle and just squirt it all over the sounds before a game. Yeah. I feel like when you first start sweating too, like, if you get in the sauna and the first five minutes when your body begins to sweat, you have like an irritation almost. Like you're like, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of itchy.

Yeah. And then finally you get into a good sweat and you feel good. So I like that move. Yeah. I like that move down to that. That's the point you sit in the car is when you feel like relaxed. Yes. Because for us, it's the first hit.

Like we'll get the first play done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me put my hands on somebody real quick. How we really feel in the day. That's when you know what kind of day it's going to be.

Yeah. Because you get the first couple of plays in it's like you might maybe mess up on the first three plays of the game. Yeah. That's a different mental warfare right there. Yeah. How long? How, do you remember games where you were like struggling to find yourself to fall into that like comfortable space? Not like a, not like a full game?

Yes. Yeah. I mean, I guess for an alignment, it feels a little bit, it feels a little bit different because I feel like you're kind of in sync on doing the same thing. Like if you're blocking well, you're blocking well. But I like between like if you have a bad run. play or a past play on defense it wouldn't really be something that it just like consumes you like goes into your play the rest of the day but it's more so like it's that play that just sitting in your head the entire time you go back to the sideline so you might make a play you're not even

really caring that you made a play because you're just thinking about what you played before yeah how coach is going to coach you when you get in the film room and everything else oh yeah that yeah i wish there was a way to like combat that because it i feel it goes to every player's mind is like what are the coach is going to say about this on money day and you're in the first quarter of a game and you're like oh I can't wait to get past that point to worry about that yeah for offensive line it's very like there's a lot of precision that goes into it especially with pass blocking so for me it was like feeling out the speed of the individual I'd watch them on film like okay this person's faster they're they're a little slower

but they're more power it was really just like feeling them and understanding like okay what is what does my tempo have to be against this person all day and that first couple of past place whether it was in the first drive luckily hopefully you don't go three and out But if you have a good like six, seven play drive in the first, first series and you're able to kind of put your hands on them and feel it, that's when you feel a whole lot better. The tough is that first third down. Like the first thing you brought up, I remember we were playing the Saints. This had to be like 20, 21 or early, like 2020 or 19. And we played the first series.

And I overset a guy, big guy from University of Texas, El Paso. But I overset him. And there was a first third down of the game. And you just get in your head. you're like, and we got off the field after that, and you have to think, like, okay, what did I go? What went wrong there? How do I have to fix this?

They're going to be sure. Should I get out a little bit more? And then he starts second guessing all of these things you're doing. Yeah. From a technique standpoint that was always like just the mental game that was going on while playing. I didn't think about that. Like, that's crazy. Because like when I'm watching a game and there's a three and out, especially the first drive,

you're thinking about the confidence of the quarterback. Yeah, damn, is this the, is this an omen for the, the rest of the day. Can we stop the other team from putting points on the board, getting behind? You don't even think about like the other individuals on the field and how they're, you know, because I can't see the details and go, damn, though, my O. Lyman feeling pretty shitty about that, right, because he did this or that and the other. You don't even think about those guys walking off the field and how that affects their

confidence. Yeah. It's an interesting. We talk about football, obviously the football podcast, but like 11 guys in the field have to do their job. And especially with the offensive line, like it is such a mental game that goes along with the physicality of it, especially in pastbro. Because that's how you get paid. Yeah.

The less sacks you give up, the more money you make. And so, like, those are like, it's like run block for show, pass block for dough. And if you can get in there and really just feel confident early in the game, it makes everything so much easier. And you just know, too, just being a competitor and being an athlete with the NASCAR, like if you take a turn wrong, it's more about like you having the goldfish. memory of thinking, all right, this is correctable. I got reached on this run play. I was in a bad position. I took a bad first step. Like, you just got to correct the process and you were like, you know, your preparation to be in a better position. But if you end up letting that stuff consume you like, oh, I'm taking these turns wrong or oh, I'm just not playing well today. And then

it just kind of consumes your entire being. And you have to be able to start stacking and stacking. Yeah, you have to be able to put, you have to be able to put those like plays behind you if you're going to get out of whatever that said run is. Because usually it's just like a technique thing. But when you're talking about, like, you don't think about the offensive lineman, like, when I watch NASCAR being a casual thing, like, I know how to drive a car. I can drive stick. But I'm not thinking about the technique that you guys are going through. I'm just seeing like, hey, they're breaking pretty hard on that turn, it seems like. But like, what are like, like, the small pieces of game that you would, like, kind of focus?

Like, what were, like, kind of your mental hurdles you had to go through? So, yeah, in the conversation we were having, you're, your, your, the car is. is a really big part of the success or failure that you're going to have that day. And so your guys, it's your body and it's your preparation and all the, you go out there. And if you're talented and you've prepared and you know your opponent, you go out there and it's you, right? But as a driver, you kind of, a lot of times are at the mercy of the ability of the car and if it can do it or not.

And you'll go and start those, you'll start the race and run like a handful of corners and you're judging the car. You're going, is this damn thing any good? Is it going to be better? Is it better than that guy? I'm catching him. I'm caught him there. Yeah, okay.

I'm doing this right. It's doing that right. And or it's sucking and you're out of control and you don't have the grip and you're losing positions and guys are on your ass and breathing down your neck. And your confidence in the car determines whether you spiral down or continue to do well. and so in the very first handful of laps a driver is really just judging this car and critiquing the car

and okay if it's not great we're going to have a chance to fix it on the first pit stop pull down pit road tell the crew chief everything you can to give him all the information you can so he can make the best choice to fix the car improve the car he gets a chance to improve it you go back out there all right

did he fix his son of a bitch we're going to get the ring flag and start continue the race either it's improved and you're happy hey great job man you fucking fix my problem i'm better or he didn't fix it at all it didn't it didn't make a damn bit of difference and now you're like doubting the ability of your team and yourself to even make the day better and sometimes it doesn't get better sometimes you just have a car that doesn't do what you want it to do and you got to drive the son of a gun for three and a half hours and it sucks but some days you start with a bad car make it better and you have a great day and you're proud of that you're proud of

your guys and you're some days you start to race and shit's badass and it's awesome all day but you're always reliant on this car to like do things and and you can be the best race car driver smartest guy know everything you need to know and if your car sucks you can't overcome that right you can't you can't wheel that car into into being what it can't do yeah yeah with your drivers have you ever been like in the with the crew on race day like are you went from driver to the stuff that you do obviously do media stuff but have you ever like you know taking the chance to be like put yourself in as like a coach like coach earnhardt a little bit um not a ton but we ran the dayton 500 this past uh february for the first time as a team um so my team that i've owned as an owner runs in basically

kind of what is what what i'd call the college level um and we have four full-time team and they race on Saturday before the big boys on Sunday. And so that's what we've been doing. This February, this past February, we entered a car in the Daytona 500, which is the biggest race of the year for NASCAR. And I was, I had a lot of fun because I was way more plugged in, way more vocal. I was on the radio during the races, talking to the driver, and I worked on the car a little bit in the garage.

And like, it was just, I was able to be more, I was able to be more, hands on. And I don't necessarily coach the drivers all that much. It's hard. I was talking to one of my drivers this morning about a race coming up this weekend. And I'm sitting there and I'm like trying to explain some things that are unique about this particular racetrack. And you're just wondering, you know, like how much of it they're picking up because they're young and I remember being young and damn, you could tell me all kinds of awesome freaking information. But I might not be like processing it and taking it in. I just got to go out there and experience it. Right. And so, see the wrong and the right and and adjust and fix and you know just learn by doing but um so i try to

coach but a lot of times man they just look at you with this bewilderment and they're like young and like yeah i got know what you mean and you're like i'm not sure you know what i mean you know and we'll see but um you know my dad you know tried to help me a little bit with some advice and driving and and it was really good and so i mean i try to do you know i try to help me a little bit with some advice and driving and so i mean I try to talk to my drivers sometimes, but a lot of times I just got to go out there and see it and do it. We interrupt this episode to bring you neutral vodka seltzer. Have you tried neutral? If not, you are missing out. It is the best seltzer that I have tried that is on the market. It's made with real vodka and real juice. And that's what makes it so delicious. It comes in a variety of flavors, pineapple, watermelon, to name a couple.

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to their success. They're getting frustrated and arguing or fighting with other drivers or doing things on the racetrack with the car physically with other drivers that you're hurting yourself. You need to have your focus on trying to win this race today. And I know you're pissed at this guy and you want to get his ass back. You know, but you can do that, but it's going to keep you from trying to win the race.

Yeah. And so there's some times when they, or, you know, maybe they're not putting in the, the week to week work, the work studying, prepping, taking, you know, physical care of themselves or things like that. Sometimes you might get on a driver about his focus, like week to week focus. Because they got a, it's competitive, man. Everybody that matters toward this guy's career, everybody that matters toward a young driver's career is paying attention to the things he's doing and it's the details.

And is he studying? is he working out? Is he got himself in great shape? Is he all fucking around drinking beer with his boys all night long during the week? Do we know where he is, right? On a Monday night, on a Tuesday night.

You know, and so the people that matter are paying attention and that's what I try to tell him. You know, if you're, everybody's watching, right? Everything you do. So do the right shit. Yeah. You know.

In your mind, what does a week routine look like that? You're like, okay, that's a good routine have. Well, you race on Sunday. Yeah, they race on Sunday. They race Saturday or Sunday, but they're going to be in the sim, which is basically, we don't have practice. We don't have a lot of practice where you actually go to the racetrack and take the car

out and run it around. So we have simulators, big, giant multimillion dollar simulators that you climb into and you drive in a virtual world. And the manufacturer, Chevrolet, Toyota, Ford, they've spent millions of dollars on these simulators. And getting a couple hours in one is very valuable. and any time you get an opportunity to do that, you do it. And you've got to volunteer to be in that simulator, right,

to be able to work on your craft. You can work on the setup of the car, new ideas, run and practice different lines and stuff like that in the simulator. And it transfers over into the real world. So on Monday morning, I think you either need to be working out. There's a group of drivers that work out together. All of the Chevrolet guys work out together. They have a Chevrolet program where there's this coach.

that his name's Josh Wise and he coaches all of the Chevy drivers on they do reaction time games and shit where the light on the wall and they're doing those are awesome right they're doing all of that shit and they'll go jump in the lake and swim across the channel and do ridiculous things and he never tells them what they're going to do you just show up and you might go ride a 20 mile 40 mile bike ride

just be ready and so that's Mondays that's every morning Monday morning Tuesday morning Wednesday morning and when you're not working out or doing those things with Josh. They need to be in the simulator. They need to be meeting with their crew. They got to meet with the crew chief. Go over last week's race. What went right? What went wrong? What did we learn? Go over the next. You're watching film? Yeah. Then they'll watch film of last year's race. They'll watch the whole race. They'll say, okay, here's eight guys that tried eight different strategies. And this one worked really well. We may do that. So, you know, get the driver's mind

kind of prepared on what kind of strategies might pop up during the race. So, you know, he knows what you're asking him to do when you're telling him to come down pit road and get tires and fuel. And so that's several hours on a Tuesday or Wednesday. There's tons of meetings. And yeah, I mean, those are the most important things. And drivers need to be there in person. I know they can zoom in and they can kind of half ass it a little bit. And I know there's places they've got to be too for sponsors.

There's requirements for them to be out and doing things. y'all know what I'm talking about there. But being present and being in person and filling out, we give them a note, you know, the teams give them a note, a big sheet or one sheeter to fill out after the race. Like, fill that shit out. Be precise. Be descriptive.

We're going to lean on that note next time we go back to this racetrack in six months. So give us everything you can give us, right? And so those guys, sometimes I remember being half-ass about some of that shit, like filling the notes out, going, I was annoyed. The car didn't fucking turn. That's what I wrote down, right? Yeah. And I need to tell them like, why didn't it turn?

What did it feel like? What did I think the problem was with the car specifically, the details of the car's mechanics and try to give them some route a way to solve that problem, right? Instead of just being frustrated and mad about it. Now, do you get, do you kind of come unglued or get the parent voice going on with some of these guys? You have a very calm demeanor. No, I don't, no, I don't get too mad. I want to

so sometimes I mean that's the perfect Dale explanation ever like stays calm in every situation however I don't know there's been a couple times now

and through his head I want to and you know he's thinking about one guy right now there's a couple there's a couple times there's a couple times when there's a couple times when they're

things didn't go well in the race and I mean you know you could go into the room with when they're meeting the teams and the drivers and the crew chiefs, you could go in that room and you could slam your hand, you know, fist down on the table and,

you know, what the hell are y'all doing? Why'd y'all do it that way? Why, you don't let everybody let that happen again. They don't, people don't, people don't absorb that, right? They don't go and fix it. They go, damn, we got to ask you today, you know. Or damn, Dale was mad. And, and, and they don't, you got to,

you got to go in there and, and say, hey, why did, you know, why did that go that way? What are we going to do about that? How are we going to fix it next time? Or I know we all got a plan, right? Y'all got a plan right to fix that. Do you ever listen to the driver? You know, right?

Yeah. Are you ever listening to the driver knowing that you've had your experience on the road and you're listening to a driver and you understand the team, like what they're doing for the car and everything else to where a driver comes out and they might be complaining about the car. They're saying something in a way to where it's like, hey, bro, you're full of shit right now. Usually to figure it out, you know, X, Y, and Z when you're out there on the You're trying to blame too many other things.

I think the one thing that happens, and I know this because I did this, is a lot of times the driver has one line of communication, and that's the crew and the team and the crew chief, right? And so when you're mad as a driver, you have only one line of communication. Like anything you say, right? The scar's a piece of shit. I'm fucking doing all I can out here. I'm busting my ass, y'all.

This thing drives like shit. All of that information is going directly to the people that actually put that car together that actually are there to help you. And the ones that will fix it if it gets fixed, right? And so a driver gets, we get confused because we're in that car, we're hot, we feel like we're on an island. I used to say I felt like a castaway out there. Like I'm all by myself, man. Y'all don't have an idea what's going on. I'm all out there by myself fighting this damn thing.

Y'all don't know what it's like. Yeah. And I'm like, this car is a piece of shit biggest thing. shit ever drove. That is the worst thing to say. These guys are the ones that built it. They brought it to the track. It's their car. You know, you can't call a car a piece of shit to the people that brought the car and fixed it and read it ready for you. And so, and you, you can't, you can't sit there and rant and cuss about, I'm busting my ass. You know, they know already that you're busting your ass. They're watching it. You know, I tell them. You don't have to come, you know,

And I did this. I did this. Like I can, and so I'll hear a driver today. He get, they get, they, they need you to know.

Like, they're giving it all they got, man. They're, they're suffering. They're, they're hemorrhaging confidence. You know,

and they're getting insecure. The car's not good. They're hemorrhaging all of these things. And they need you to know. They're, they're fighting and their heartwork. They're trying. They're trying to make this car that you,

you built work. And they, But we have a terrible delivery. And we end up really saying things that are detrimental to that relationship between a driver, crew, and crew chief. And so sometimes I will have to say, or I remember something I did and I'll hear another driver say it and I'll go, hey, you've got to remember, these guys are here to help. They're the ones that are going to fix it. They're the ones that you've got to talk to them in a way that they want to fix your problem. And if you piss them off or you talk to them in a negative way and not, you know, not a.

supportive way. You come down pit road, they're going to be like, fuck that guy. You know, and so when you're coming to get help and service and get your car adjusted, they're going to be like, screw this kid. You know, he's just a punk. Yeah. And so, you know, I learned that the hard way a few times. And I thought, you know, oh, I know these guys well enough to tell them their car is a piece of shit. But it's never a good idea. Right. Who was somebody that pulled you aside to be like, hey, man. Yeah, how'd you learn that lesson? It was your old man? Tollie Jr. My cousin. Tony Jr. My uncle Tony Sr., I worked for them on the Bud car back

in the 2000s, and they told me. They said, hey, you called the car a piece of shit. Don't do that. All the guys that build that car and work on that car are listening to you. Not only the guys that are in the pits and at the racetrack that day, also all the guys that are sitting at home. The guy that painted that car is sitting at his house on the couch watching you run, hoping you win, and it's going to paint your car next week. He's the one that heard you call

that car piece of shit. All the mechanics that are not travelers that are sitting at home with their family. You know, all of that information, they might not hear it in the moment through the airwaves or through TV, but they're going to get that information. They're going to know you said. Word travels quick. Yeah. And so, you know, you just don't want to get this reputation within your own team of somebody

who just kind of comes unhinged in the toughest moments and that is combative or abrasive, right, in those moments. But it's hard, man. You feel like you're out there by yourself. and you feel like that nobody knows how hard this is but you. And you feel like you're, you are feeling a sense that you're letting your team down, but your reaction in your words are,

guys, I'm doing every fucking thing I can with this thing. It won't do anything right. And what they hear is the car sucks. I'm fucking, I'm not the problem. And you're thinking too, the audience is watching the race or seeing me not perform as well. It's just me. It's just going to be needed.

They're blaming. They're not seeing that. Yeah. Because the casual fans not thinking about everything that goes in the week before. They're thinking about this driver, that car. The car's got to be perfect. This is the top of the line. Yeah.

This week. Dale's really down this year. Yeah. He's not getting it done, is it? There's what they call, you know, YouTube this, but there's what they call radioactive. And that, there's, every driver has multiple YouTube clips of themselves that fans have put together of all of their worst moments. Beautiful. There's some good radioactive, like, hey, this one's funny.

this is eight minutes of Dale Jr. being funny on the radio during a race. And then there's like, you know, here's five minutes of him being a complete asshole to his team, you know. Yeah. And there's, you know, our drivers just completely coming on hand, just screaming curse words into the middle distance over the air. You know, you got to mash that button because if nobody hears it, it don't, you don't get the relief. Yeah. So there's a no talk button you have in the car? You got a button that you mash to talk to the team.

Okay. And like you could be in there madden hell and you could scream. It don't feel good. you got to mash that button so somebody hears you. This sucks. You know, and that's the worst thing. So when you smash that button,

that's the same thing that the fans can make you by the headphones, right? They hear too. Yeah. So people are you, if you're talking shit, so all these YouTube videos. And you consciously went and be like, someone needs to hear this right now.

Yeah. I gotta get this off. I got to get this out of the business. It doesn't feel good just saying it to the abyss. I need someone to have. I need to hurt somebody's feelings today over this situation. And then the TV sometimes takes it and puts it on the actual broadcast, you know,

and then now it's there, it's common knowledge. And then you got to, you get up, you get it Monday morning, you're like, damn, I shouldn't have said all that. That day, the next day, after you had made a couple of actions, you wish you didn't. I said, there's.

I'm sorry, Steve, I haven't listened to a damn word you said the last last. There was one, there's one clip on there where I, I'm driving around. And I had had a couple of loose wheels and the wheel fell off, a wheel I'm the didn't get the wheel tight

and the wheel come off the car and wrecked hard as shit at Atlanta and um that we're we're at another track and I got a loose wheel and I was so mad I was like y'all like the loose wheel the wheel comes off at full speed

you just fly into the wall and it's nasty it's a hard wreck and I come over the radio and I was like if this fucking wheel comes off I'm hitting every one of y'all in the hand with a hammer I was like, I don't know how to make y'all understand. Like, this is, this is not fun for me to be out here wondering if this wheel's going to come off or not.

And I'm going to fly into the fence out of control. Is that, is that like an inexcusable mistake though? It just, it happens. It happens rarely. But I was like, y'all got a damn stuff. You can't leave my wheels loose. You can't. Yeah.

And that was my only way to like, I thought that was a great analogy. like I'll hit y'all with a hammer and I'm like yeah and I see that clip I'll see that clip on you on YouTube and I'm like God that's stupid why don't I say that that was so rude

and it's a crazy shot necessary it's a crazy shot to say I'm gonna hit your hands with a hammer yeah I bet the guys I mean imagine the guys standing there even though I know that they're my guys right we're a team

and I know they're probably standing there going well fucking asshole right yeah he's gonna hit me with a hammer right is there is there like with the wheel being loose is there like in football there's like basic one-on-one shit that the coach will get up and be

like leone like this is basic one-on-one football you can't be doing this yeah is there something like in the pit crew standpoint they're like you this is something so basic that you should not be messing up that they deserve an ass chew for that got to fill it with gas what are we doing i don't know i mean there's everything and everything that i can think of is like it's a human error it's a it's a it's a possibility in any moment very forgiving individual yeah I mean, some guys are like zero tolerance, but I mean, I've lived it long enough to know that there's, to have zero tolerance as an expectation is not realistic. Yeah. When you were, uh, there's his.

Yeah, that's the line. If the wheel comes off and I hit the fence real hard, I get to whack every damn one of you with a hammer. Yeah. That is hilarious. Yeah. Is there, is there a specific individual that comes in mind from like your generation of racing that like was as a just a known hothead with his pit crew? Um, well, I mean, there, there's some guys that were pretty, um, Kurt Bush has some good radio actors on YouTube. Um, Kyle, uh, Harvick was pretty, um, pretty vocal about his team. Like, he demanded, he was, he was one of the guys that would, would publicly say, hey, our pit crew has to improve, you know, um, and he would talk on the radio that would end up on the broadcast about his team, needing to be better on pit road. Um, um, I wanted to say all those things.

You know, I have felt those things and wanted to say all the things that they said. But I didn't want it to get into the broadcast. Yeah. I didn't want it to be fodder for the media. Yeah, that layer. Right. And so there was times I slipped. There was times I slipped up.

But for the most part, I don't have too much radioactive bullshit out there. That's funny, dude. Yeah. If you could change any rule in NASCAR, what would it be? shit just any rule i mean i i wish we could figure out a new package for the for the the Daytona talladega racetracks um i would probably work on the rules that affect how the cars race at those two places detona talladega so we go to the Daytona 500 and the cars um you know the way the race is sort of the way you watch the races you guys might

not pick up on it but some of the details of how the cars race and why they do some of the things they do are kind of, it's not as great as it used to be, or it's, it could be better than what it is today. And I think it's, and I don't know the answer, the specific, like, technical thing that needs to change, but I would love to be in the process of how we can make the cars do different than they do there, how they race together. But, um, I'll be honest, man, racing right now, the race, I'm, no bullshit. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm, I'm a critic of the sports.

I hold them accountable when I believe I know what's right. Yeah. But things are really good right now. Things are really,

really good. I do not think that's the direction you were going to go. Yeah, I got to be real. I was, I got to be honest.

I got to be honest. I was, we ran Daytona and I was there, right? We had a car in the race. I was really frustrated with the way the car raced and the way

the product, on track product. I was frustrated with it. A casual fan would have watched the race and not seen the things that I saw that bothered me.

So there's that. But I saw things that I'm like, I wish they would fix this shit. Everything from that moment on, all the races that we've ran have been fantastic, spectacular. And we had this sort of very informal poll

that goes up on Twitter after every race by a guy named Jeff Gluck, who's a journalist in our sport, very respected. It's the good race poll. And it's a yes or no. Was it a good race?

And there'll be thousands and thousands of people that vote on this poll every week. And it's very informal, just for fun. But we've been doing this poll for years. And so like a really, really good day is a high 80. That's like a really great. That's like everybody's fucking happy with that, right?

Everybody like this. And so our races have all been trending in the really, really good high 80s and 90s. And, you know, there's rarely a race where people are just like, eh, if that sucked, you know, 50%. 50, yes, no. and I know that's very rudimentary but I you know hey it's it's a it's a small glimpse into the public opinion of something I know it's you know on X it's not the entire world on X but it's a it's an idea of good sample size yes you might think and I man these are the few things that I would change I wonder if other people are catching it too you go and just be like hey was this a good

race you see like 85% love you got like hey fuck you loved it that's I know so the racing's the racing has been complimented. And so when that's going, sometimes you've got to go, hey, maybe I don't fucking know what is best all the time, right? If fans are loving what they saw Sunday, maybe, you know, I'm, maybe, I am a, I am a traditional. I am nostalgic. I am like one of those people that go, oh, those are the best, you know, the 80s, the 90s.

So, so awesome. And you can't, you'll, you can't never put the toothpaste back in the tube kind of thing. So sometimes I have to kind of check myself with my. my nostalgia and my hanging on to the history of the sports so tightly and go, look, you know, it's more modern. It's different than I remember it. But people today, the fans that are tuning in love it. Yeah. They love it.

And so I'm bullish on the sport and think it's heading in a really good direction. I feel like more men, more men than not are guilty of that, though, like finding the nostalgic piece of it used to be great then. You can go in any genre, any category of anything. someone's going to have an opinion about back then it was better because of X, Y, and Z. You brought a couple of times. Targeting. Bring it back.

Bring it back. The old kickoff rule. Yeah. That needs to be changed immediately. You know? Yeah. But anyway. You talked about you for the first time your team had a car in the Daytona 500.

I thought that first off deserves a round of applause. Like that is massive. And we kind of did just rush over that. That is huge. Yeah. So congrats on that. Thank you. What is the process of being like, okay, we feel good enough.

to put a car in the biggest race of the year and all in that car. So Traveler Whiskey was a brand that came to us. Yeah. And so I got a shout out Travel Whiskey. Shout out High Rock Vodka. I take it easy, yeah.

Shout out mutual seltors. Yeah. So I, they came to us and they were like, hey, they came to another program at Hendrick Motorsports and Hendricks. And they were like, hey, we kind of want to do the Daytona 500. Hendricks like, hey, we don't have any room. we're full inventory.

And so, but my buddy Rick Hendrick, he's like, I know my friend Dale Jr. wants to enter the Daytona 500. It's a dream of mine to enter a car as an owner in that race once. Just to go, I wanted to go to the track and do all of the things as an owner

and push a car out on the grid and go, there's my car, and there it goes, into the race. And so they hooked us up with Traveler, and we took Traveler to Daytona. And it was very, really emotional. We weren't locked in, so there's cars that have franchises or charters, and they

are locked into the race. They know going down there, hauling their car to the track that they're in. There's a handful of cars in this instance, this year, there were eight or nine of us that weren't guaranteed a spot. We were going to have to earn it by either qualifying really well or running well in what's called the duel, which is on, the duel is two races, and if we do well in the duel, we lock ourselves into the race. So in the duel, we're running. We didn't qualify well, so we couldn't lock ourselves in that way. So now we got the duel to run and we're trying to, okay, we're going to go out here and we've got to beat a couple of guys.

What's your stress level? Very high. After the qualifier doesn't go well. Oh, I was. This is our last shot. I was embarrassed. So in qualifying, all of the industry is on pit road. All the engineers, crew chiefs, everyone that matters and everyone that knows anything about the sport is standing on pit road.

all the cars are lined up going out qualifying one at a time. And you're with your car. And there you're pushing your car as it's getting closer and closer to the front of the line. And right, you know, you get down to the end and you push your car off. It cranks the motor pulls away and he's going to go run his lap. And you stand there and you watch him run his lap. And there's a couple of big giant jumbotrons and you're watching a little bit on the jumbo tron. And he comes by and you look at the lap and you're like, that ain't fast enough.

and now you've got to walk through that entire group of people that all know that you didn't make the race yet, right? And it's embarrassing. You know, you got the equipment that you think's good enough and something y'all didn't do right didn't help the car run the lap time. And so it's a bit tough kind of walking back through that whole mob of people toward your garage

like we failed. And so... Yeah, like we weren't good enough. Yeah. Like everybody looks at us like, and then Junior's... It's just... Great driver.

Yeah. It's kind of, who knows, man. It might be similar to going into the tunnel at an opposing stadium after a loss, right, with the fans going, get out of your assholes, you know, Philly.

Or just like, say you're a middle school or high schooler, and you're going to see if you made the team or not, and all your boys are standing there and you're like, hey, is my name on there? It's like, you should check it out. Maybe I didn't see it. You turn I am. What a feeling.

Yes. Kind of similar. Yeah. You've had that happen? No. Okay. I was just said it. It sounded like.

You just did a movie scene to me. I was like, that's crazy if that's happened. But you know how like before you even go up to look, it's like, man, what if I don't make it? Like,

I'm going to feel so stupid. You just kind of have an idea of probably what it feels like. Yeah. It just seems like. Okay. If you weren't good at sports, like, what would it be like if I sucked at sports?

That's probably a bad feeling. So we ended up qualifying in the duel. We ended up racing our way. How does it do? So basically, no, it's fine. That's good. We're in one of the duels. There's two.

They split the field in half. So we're in a duel. There's about 20-some cars in that race. We only have to beat like two guys. There's two guys that we just got to finish ahead of. And we're in the race and they're out. And so coming, this duel's like 50 laps. And we're coming to two laps to go and we're not in.

We're behind those guys. And the field's a big blob all tight together within one second. They're just all together, run around the racetrack, two and three wide. And I'm like, Justin's our driver. I'm like, damn it, Justin, you got to figure this out. I don't even know what he's going to do. I don't know what he could do. You're seeing this to yourself?

Yeah, thinking in my mind. Are you saying this to him? No. Yeah, I thought you hit the button. No. Yeah. But he just figured it out. Like in the last lap, he just figured it out, got the run and diced around.

And when we crossed the finish line, we're ahead of the guys that we needed to beat. And so that was when it was like almost, you know, any, that was the moment where if you talked, you were going to have a hard time not crying. You ever been in those moments? Oh, yeah. I'm not going to cry as long as I don't have to talk. Yeah. You know, once I start talking about this, it's going to get hard not to cry, right?

And so I got, we're doing some media and I'm like, I know I got about 10 words before my voice is going to crack. So I was trying to say something like, we're in the race, yes. And before I started, like, losing it. Yeah. But it's just that emotional. And I've lived this sport my whole life. This was a dream of mine.

And we had finally, this is like on a Friday, I believe. And so that night we're like, we get the race on Sunday. We don't have to go home. It was either, you know, the way that race turned out was like, we're loading our shit up and we're going home or we're going to race on Sunday. And so it was a big relief. The next couple of days, man, we're in there looking at our car sitting in the garage and we're massaging on it and fixing it and tweaking it and messing with,

I'm on my hands on, I'm working and piddling with the car, and we're just, we're all proud and getting it right. And then, yeah, we pushed it out there for the race on Sunday, went through the whole pre-race ceremony and just the pride of being out there and then getting on the pit box and watching your car pull off pit road,

and you're like, we're doing it. Yeah. Moments here. Was that a win right there? Yeah. Like, we did you care about place? you're just like, man, I'd appreciate it. You a goal I've always wanted.

I told my driver. So it sounds like you didn't win. Ninth. Yeah. I told my. It's like, no, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's like, yeah.

I told. If you're wondering. We did get that. Yeah. I told my driver, Justin, I said, I said, hey, you know, I, this is the way I am with Justin. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, let's not worry about, let's not worry about like, hey, top 10, top 15. That'll be a great day.

Let's not even have that conversation. I was like, let's cross the finish line when the checkers waving. I don't care where we're at. I just want to sit here and watch the race and my car be out there and we won't have a, we won't have like a high hopes or a, oh darn,

you know, we'll just say, hey man, if we cross the finish line, when the checkered flag waves, if our car has finished the race and we ran all the laps, we're blessed. And so it's coming down to the last couple of,

we're making it through all the problems. We had a couple of dust ups and gotten a few scrapes, but our car, we're patching it up. it's still pretty good. And it comes down to the last lap and there's a big wreck on the back straightaway. And he missed the big wreck.

And we're standing there like, all right, where, he's coming around. Like, where are we going to be? And he crossed the finish line and you look at the score monitor and his name goes, bloop, ninth place. And you're like, shit, top 10. That's awesome, you know? Yeah.

Not only did we come here and like get in the race, but we ran ninth out of all, out of the 50 that tried to run. it that came here this we're ninth like we're a brand new one race team we're like one race old we're like we're like brand new yeah every time your team has been in the daytona 500 you guys have been top 10 yeah yeah how many how many other how many programs can say that what do you think when when dale's given the little speech of just and you think Justin's probably like justin's probably trying to piss himself sounds like he's he's full of water

just an older driver like myself and but he me and him both get nervous easy like we we and so I tell like I need to talk this guy down a little bit he's nervous and he was so nervous and he told me he told me like he told me he told me he's like dude I was terrified in this moment in this moment I ain't never been that nervous in my life and I'm we've raced for championships we won championships in the Xfinity series last year and we've raced together for over a decade he drove for our team at junior motor sports for a long time won a lot of races and he's I'm like he's like dude I was so nervous so much pressure so much responsibility being the driver of your car for the

Dayton 5-runner for the first time. He was like, it was awful. And so I knew that. Like in that moment, I was like, hey, no, let's not even worry about where we're going to run. Let's not even set a goal or an expectation and worry about being pleased or upset. Let's just say, hey, cross the finish line, checkered flag. Let's feel good about that.

And that's it. I don't want anything else. I wanted him to know, like, I don't want anything else. You go out there, you have your own expectations. That's you. But you don't worry about me. don't feel like everybody here in the pits is going, hey, fucker, all right, come on, Justin.

When are you going to pull the trick? Let go, you know? Hey, that's a hell of a speech. That's a great speech. I just wanted to let him off the hook. That's a fire speech. Yeah. Now, Justin, he's been racing for so long.

Has he ever racing the Daytona 500? Before a long time ago, yeah. Long time ago. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's got to be. What a feeling, man. And for him, I mean, I bet received,

I pictured that speech as him, he's already in the car in my head. Not yet, but. I'm just telling you where my head died. Moments ago. It's like they're about to start the race. And before he tails off, you're giving him this like once in a life. It was literally right before he climbed in.

And I was like, just don't worry. You just go out there and do you, man. I have zero expectation, but I do want you to finish. So don't get wrecked. Don't get wrecked early. Don't wreck out. Right. And there was that one last little part of the race where there's a big, big crash and he

weaved through. Really? Yeah. Other than that, it was pretty smooth. Man, it's a couple dustups. A couple dust ups. A couple clothes. A couple clothes.

A couple of close calls. You mentioned dustups a couple times. I kind of want to pry a little bit more. No, there was just some wrecks that happened where you had to kind of knife through and maybe you got dinged up a little bit on the corner of the car got beat up a little bit. But it was still in relatively good shape when we finished. Top 10, maybe. That's awesome, man.

We'll take it. That is cool. That paid good. I bet. Yes. I bet. Now, is this whiskey company sticking on? Well, we only had plans to run that one race.

That was it. Have they called sense? They're excited and happy with everything that happened. We'll see what happens. It's a dicey thing. So there's some, we had a little damage to fix. But we did. We fixed it.

It's a little bit of a dicey thing because me and my wife started the high rock vodka, right? And that's our. We have equity in it. And traveler came on to Travers like, hey, we want to help you realize this dream. So I had to call my friends at High Rock Vodka and say, hey, y'all mind if I do this thing with this whiskey? And they're like, well, it's not really a vodka. So it's not competing directly. and they're like, we don't want to get in your way.

We don't want to get in the way of you realizing this dream. This is really how this is only going to happen. Because the traveler came in with the check that it was going to take a lot of money to go to Daytona. And so my high rock folks were good to let me do that. We can believe it if you want, but how much does it cost you get into the Daytona 500? To race in the Daytona 500, you're going to need three quarters of a million dollars. Okay. All right.

three quarters of a million dollars minimum you got that math yep we want to say that loud yeah yeah we can just leave it you know

bygones we buy guns yeah yeah yeah yeah no doubt um having the Earnhardt last name you're obviously involved

with a lot of different things off the track on the track everything in between what is the first thing you kind of dove into to where it felt like this is mine

outside of having, because you carry the legacy of your old man and you have the Earnhardt name, your Dale Earnhardt Jr., the son. What was the first time you realized and felt like a sense of pride? All right, this is a thing that I see is like something I've done.

Probably Junior Motorsports, the race team that we have. We've ran in the Xfinity series, which is, again, that's kind of the college level. We've ran there for seems like 18 years, a long time.

We've won 90 races. five championships. Me and my sister run that together. And she's hands on. My sister is, she's a, she's tough, really,

really tough business woman, savvy. And so, like, in negotiations, she never loses. That's her. And so she's tough. She knows what the value.

That's badass. Yeah, she knows the value of everything and understands what, what's realistic and just sharp. and so I'm very fortunate that I got her as a teammate. And so we have ran Junior Motorsports together.

Our dream or our idea, the idea was that me and her would be involved at DEI, which was my dad's race team, Deller Heart Incorporated. Our thought was that that would be what we would do all of our lives, right? And so a lot of things happened. Dad passed away and we ended up leaving the team over the course of six or seven years. And so that didn't happen. And we started this other team and started it with one race car, three or four employees, very modest. And we've grown it into a really successful deal.

We love being at that level where we graduate people up into the top series, right? So drivers come through our program, crew chiefs, mechanics, engineers, even people in our office, marketing, licensing. They all come and work at our business, get educated, get a great. great experience, get a reputation, and then they get a call from a cup team. It sucks to lose great people, but it's also like a big reward. Like we're doing it right. We're doing something right where people are wanting to hire our good people. And so when a driver gets a phone call, they'll call me. I remember one guy called me. And he's like, I got some tough news. He's like, one of the cup teams called me and I got to do it. I was like, that's not tough news. That's what we,

that's like winning a race. That's a victory for you, for me. That's why we did this. I did this so that you would get this chance, not that you're going to be a career or Xfinity racer for me, right? Hopefully, if everything works out, most of our drivers are only there for a year or two, and they move on to the cup level and race on Sunday. And so that's a fun thing to do. I can look in the cup field today. The field that runs on Sunday, I can look in that field, and there's at least the third

of the field that raced for me on Saturday. That's bad. At some point in their career. There's mechanics. crew chiefs, tons of people in the industry that have came through our race team to get to the top level. That's badass, man.

That's fun. So I'm proud of that. That's mine. So do you ever want to get your race team into the Cup Series? I do. And so to race full time in the Cup Series, you need a charter,

which is basically a franchise. Think about it as like a franchise. There are only three dozen of those. NASCAR, there's a rule, between, there's an agreement between the teams and NASCAR that there is only a certain amount of charter. So to acquire one, you got to buy one from somebody. And they're selling for anywhere from $25 million to $40 million bucks.

And so you've got to buy the charter. And then you got to buy the cars. They're $350,000 apiece. You've got to have an engine program. You've got to, you know, you've got to upscale employees. So to race full time in the Cup series, you might be able to do it on $20 million a year. So it's $100 million dollars to probably get started. Right.

To buy a charter or two and then have the funding annually to run at that level. You've got to have a massive commitment from corporate America somewhere to be able to fund the team annually and long term. And so to go from where we are now and our business model is a massive jump and a huge commitment. Scary. Sounds like, yeah. I mean, $100 million to get started is wild. Yeah. Have you been close?

Is anybody like... We've had some really... people come out of the woodwork. We've had some really cool conversations with some, we've had a, we had a conversation with a, with a, with a, with one of the largest or most popular sports franchises in the, in the, in the country. So, I mean, there's interest out. So the interest that I believe, a team like mine or a person like me to be able to get into there, it's going to have to be, it's going to have to be like an investment firm or a current, uh, like a current entity that's owning sports teams, right? And so, yeah.

I think of a couple. Yeah. I can see a couple of my eyes right now. Yeah. And so there's been, there's interest. There's, and the, the investment firm thing is kind of new,

but it's getting, it's gaining some popularity. There's been a lot of, there's been a lot of these sort of groups that have started to invest in in race teams. So like certain race teams have taken on investors and sold equity in the ownership of the program. So that's kind of promising for somebody like me that's like, hey, I've got the, I know how to

run a race team. Kelly and I know how to operate this thing and be successful. We know how to do it and not lose money. And we know how to be successful. We have a lot of equity in our name and our reputation. And so I think, I feel like we're very appealing for anybody that's like, hey, I'm brand new to this. I don't know anything about racing, but I think owning a charter.

is going to be very valuable. So the charters have doubled in value annually. So like if you bought a charter six years ago, you might spend six to $12 million. Now they're worth $40 million, $35, $30 million. I believe charters in 10 years will sell for $80 to $100 million a piece. So I mean, I think if I was a person that had that kind of money to throw around, buying a charter or investing just in a charter,

getting some equity in a charter would be easy. an easy yes, right? Because that is not going to lose value. Think about Dan Snyder bought the Washington Commanders in whatever year 89 or whatever for $600, 800 million and sold it for

$6 billion. And so NASCAR charters are similar as they are a franchise, a sports franchise. And now they won't ever get into the billions or maybe not even into the $500 to $700 to $700,000. million range, but they will increase in value from from $30 to $40 million now.

I think realistically, it's $150 million value. I would put that on, I would say I would confidently expect that to be the value of one in 10 years. And so why wouldn't you if you had that kind of money invest in it now? Sounds like you need some bus with the boys backing. Yeah. Bank of a bus and's open. High interest rates.

But the bank of bus is small investor. Yeah. This is our team. We're talking about some team back here. We're talking about some serious shit. That's awesome, man. Congratulations.

Yeah. No. Hey, it ain't happened yet. Yeah, it hadn't happened yet. Yeah, but that is really cool. Congratulations on it happening in the very near future. That'd be nice. No one just very surface level stuff about those conversations.

I know it seems like it's very hard to just even be in those rooms and have those conversations. Yeah, I mean, we've had some fun conversations with some people that we're interested in, but it's got to be perfect. You can't. I'm not a risk taker. with my finances. Yeah.

And so, like, when I had kids, I was like, all right, I got to be a little smarter. Like, I was going to bounce my last check. That was the way I was going to live, right? When I was a single dude just raising hell and doing my life, I was like, I don't want to I ain't leaving shit behind. But then when I had kids, I was like, now I ain't mine no more. Yeah. This is all theirs, right?

Now I'm spending their money. There's a massive curveball for them sitting there getting the will read out to them. Yeah. By the way. He didn't leave anything. He just spent gone. And also, you're going to. Your guys' facility is so badass.

It is. Like going out there and there's people like, there's people out front waiting for you to just get done with work. Yeah, you bring up the equity of the name. And it's like, yeah, we walked in,

we were there on a Tuesday. Yeah. And there's a bunch of people just right now to catch a glimpse. Just tailgating. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think he's in there right now? Yeah.

And we just walked in. You would have all we were royalty. I wonder like, oh shit. Oh, you're going on Rodeals podcast. I'll say this. I'll say,

I'll admit this. Your, your podcast and your brand is incredible. and do people not know where you are physically right now? Do they not? If they knew where you were, they too. And if they knew when you recorded, if it was a consistent, like, hey, we record it every Tuesday.

There would people be standing out there. Like, when we appreciate that deal, I don't know. I mean, there have been some poppins. There's been a couple of people. There's been some poppins. Oh, it's not up there anymore. We had a tan hell sign. Like somebody broke in, oh, no, one of our old places we were at,

broke in and didn't steal anything but left gifts. That's nice. Yeah. Like, then they were wrapped too. The best breaking in interrings right there. He would go to work. There's another cat. He'd be going to work and he'd notice that when the door slid up, he'd see the bus inside.

He's like, so I know you guys have been here. And I was just waiting to get like an off day or something. He would just go and just sit and wait. Ran called. He just kind of guessed. Ran when he was the GM for the time. He just sent somebody over here one day. Yeah.

He just ran. Like, oh, what's up? I'm like, oh, what's up? I was like, ran told us we can come by. Yeah. Oh, okay. No text or nothing. Just like showed up.

But it is, it is cool, though. it was kind of it was cool to witness just people uh i think that was during one of your guys's weekends too well the race was in charlotte yeah okay oh that was that matters yeah like right comes into town but they know we record on a specific day yeah they know that is that each time you record every tuesday yeah yeah you got people sitting out yeah yeah that is they know you're just in there but even your studio is awesome like you i love the set up the back of the photos the photos the portraits of drivers but then there's the window with your dad's car sitting right there and you can see the other guy is working. Like, it's an awesome setup. Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it. Super clean too.

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You're in the game of collecting things. Has there ever been a car you sold that you regret selling? Hell no. I regret buying cars. cars. That's like crazy. Everything with wheels, as soon as you buy it, it depreciates like half, as soon as you drive it off the lot.

But I shouldn't say that being in the car business, but, oh man, I bought a Calaway Corvette. That was kind of a thing back in the day, Calloway Corvettes. I bought one of those, and I never, oh, so it was the dumbest thing. I had it for a while and finally sold it for like a fraction of what I paid for it. But my buddy had a motorcycle. and dropped his motorcycle on the nose of this Callaway Corvette, and the footpeg went straight through the nose,

and luckily he owned a body shop, fix it up for me. But just a bad experience. But no, I mean, I had a Biscayne that I maybe should have hung on to. Kind of a rare car. What's a Biscay? That's my Calloway that the bike fell on. That's it. Oh, that's it?

Yes. I was stupid to buy that. I did not need it. And it had this, like, it had this little weird noise in the rear, one of the wheels, a brake caliper, something like a tick that wouldn't go away,

that I wasn't smart enough to really fuck with. But that, that green truck, that green truck, that green truck, so this is my daily driver, that green truck right there. And it's the 48,

and I did a lot of, I did a lot of my own work on this truck. And so, it has a modern vortex engine in it it's nothing crazier special but um like i put them rails and wood rails on the back but in the inside of this truck i think it was kind of during covid i decided to gut the inside and redo it myself and i put some pictures on the internet and stuff of me working on it but i did a lot of woodwork inside and put new inserts on the seats and my two-year-old grabbed a sharpie and ruined the brand new inserts so i had to take the seat back out and redo it but um

I did the console in the floorboard is I made it out of sheet metal from one of my bud cars. So it's like got bud wiser, like a half of the bud wiser logo in the floorboard of the console. Dude, that's awesome. It's just really kind of a grunge truck, you know, what we call a grunge truck. But is that the Biscay? Yeah, that's the Biscayne. Yeah, I kind of wish I'd have kept the Biscayne. There you go.

It's kind of a cool car. That was like 20 years ago. I sold that. But I don't know, man. I always was weird with my, I was, I was, I did some foolish stuff with money. No, I'm not going to lie, but I also was kind of oddly tight. And my, my buddies, my buddies that I race with back in the day always joked with me about being a tight ass. And so like I, if I, I got like 12 cars, right?

I'm a guy. I'm a car guy. So I'm going to have a little collection, right? and I'm okay, that's okay. But I got 12 cars. And if I see something that I liked, and I still do this today, like if I see something, I got to be willing to sell one of my 12 and buy it. Like I won't buy it and add to it.

I'll be like, do I want it bad enough that I'll sell one of these? And if I will, I'll sell one of these. All right, man. Cut one from the roster. We had fun. That was good. All right, you're out. A lot of car owners out there that I want to give you a try.

Yeah. I got an umbrella and everything's got to fit under it. And if it don't, you know, I'm not, I don't want to be, I don't know, I shouldn't, I'm probably overthinking it, but I was just, didn't want to be ridiculous and have, like, cars everywhere because it were, it, it bugs me to have a car that I don't drive. And that one time I get in it, it, battery's dead, fucking tire shake because they're square because it's been sitting too long, or their brake shake or something, it doesn't drive well right. I'm like, all right, I don't have, I love this car, but I'm not driving it. It's not,

it's not doing itself any good. I'm selling the sun. Yeah. I'm getting rid of it. What's been your biggest impulsive buy? Impulsive where you've splurge to. We were like, that was it. That was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that other green truck, that That other green, that's square body. I want to brag on that son bitch. Look at that thing. Look at that bad daddy. Look at that damn plaid, fucking insert on that seat.

Yeah. That shit's badass. I love that truck. Square body trucks, you can't. They're coming back. They're coming back. Oh, they're back. They're back.

Are they? Oh, hell. You're going to send me the newspaper clipping because I haven't seen that. Well, if I take this bad boy out, it turns some heads. You know, Dale's just driving to watching everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It's always the construction workers, too.

On the side of the road, they just kind of do this and they give you the... I don't know that I have like a... I don't know that I have a bad regret on like a big-time financial thing. But this is one thing that my wife and I talk about is she'll be like, hey, our couch is destroyed. Like we've, you know, kids and dogs and all this. Couches just fucked up. Time for a new couch. All right.

Let's get in... And she'll show me, hey, how about this one? And I'll be like, damn. That's, you know, a couple thousand bucks. And she's like, that's what couch has cost. And I'm like, that's a lot of money, man. I can't believe couch just costs that much. You know, your wife will show you stuff.

You're like, there's no way that's like a normal price for that, right? That's way too high. Yeah. And but if a new, so I'm a gamer and I'm a PC gamer. And so like if a, you know, the 5090s just came out and there's like a massive shortage. And so I'm sitting there going, I'm looking at eBay and I'm like, God, dang, they want $5,000 for that $5,000. invidia card my buddy knows a guy

at the micro center maybe I can get one from the micro center nine days they're coming in nine days they might get me one in nine days I'm like feigning on this like

yeah this uh you know or new monitors you know I gotta get this new monitor man the refresh rate or the you know it's a it's over it's like 200 and you know whatever megahertz I gotta get that's better than what I got and that's gonna be like a thousand dollars

I got triple screens on my racing rig, triple screens. So, you know, $1,000 a monitor. And I'll be like, Amy, Amy, I'm thinking about building a new computer. Going to get me a 59, new CPU, new motherboard, new case. And she's like, how much is that going to cost? I'm like, oh, I don't know, $4,000, $5,000. And she's like, and you're going to raise hell about this couch, but you'll just go buy it.

You would literally just go buy this and not even tell her, right? and and and but I want to know how much the cows cause yeah so that's how I operate that you that sounds like every guy ever you're telling me the story I'm thinking of multiple conferences my wife and I have yeah all the time about things where I'm like dude Charles brings up a couch I'm just I feel like what's wrong what's wrong with this couch right here I feel like such an asshole and we might have talked about this on the show but man when I when we were going when we were booking we did a planner for our honeymoon and we went to Hawaii and when that later came in you know the planner plans this trip right we're going to stay and we're going to be in

Hawaii two weeks and we're going to be at this place this hotel and this hotel yeah when that lady came back with the quote uh I was like ain't no way I was like what room are we talking about here I got to see they got they got to be other rooms and I'm going to I go to Amy and I'm like why can't we go why can't we do these rooms these rooms are wayless way we can't be in the room yeah we're just going to sleep in the room she's like come own. This is your honeymoon once. You're doing this once. You're literally preaching right now. It was awful.

And I look back on it now. I'm like, it really didn't matter. But man, I was turning my guts looking at that price in those rooms. And I'm like, I'm like, we don't need this. We can stay in this room. And it's nice. I don't know. I was, um, that was tough. I always hit it with budget stuff, man. Like, when we, I built my house.

I like, had a budget. And I was like, this is, I got to pee too, but yeah. Um, we have a budget. It's like, hey, this is going to be, this is how much money we're going to spend to build this house. So I would go to the people and be like, hey, when we're looking at fixtures, show me what's in the budget. Low end, high end, but it has to stay in the budget. And every meeting I would go to, whether it was like, I don't know, plaster on the walls or something like that. They would show me two things or three things.

But then they have one in the corner over here. That wasn't on display, but it was right there. And either me or my wife, probably more times it's not me, would be like, well, what's that one? What is that right there? Like, well, you don't want to know about that. That one's actually outside the budget.

Yeah. And then there's always this game that you play. It's like, okay, well, if we do that, then we can move a little something over here. It's just how,

like, the male mind compartmentalizes how to spend money. Yeah. At the end of the day, you're doing it the same way. Yeah. But it's just fighting a way to justify. God to justify it.

Yeah. It is, it's a pain in the ass. I remember when, um, so we have, we have a banquet for our championship at the end of the year. This is back when me and Amy were,

we're, pretty serious. And I'm like, all right, man, we're getting ready to go to the banquet. I'm getting whip out my tucks. I'm wearing the same. If it'll fit,

I'll wear the same damn tucks for 12 years. I don't give a shit. I don't need new tucks. I'm wearing this thing once a year. And so, but she's like, I'm going to get a gown. And I'm like, yeah, we're going to get you a gown. We're going to get a gown.

I ain't never bought a gown. You know, I don't know gown prices. Yeah. And she comes with this gown price. And I was like, what the hell? what the hell I mean it was crazy I would have never even came close if I had to guess and man I'm on the phone with my sister I'm like you believe this and she's like she's like

that's what gowns cost I'm like for real she's like yes I was like all right I was like damn man it makes it feel better when you know like what it costs when you still when you first see the price like what the hell are we doing and then she gets the gown we go she looks amazing and I mean again like this was years ago I I feel I I know I was foolish. But she looked amazing. And we get back and I'm like, it dawned on me. I was like, so she's like, I'm going to put this away.

And I was like, you don't wear it again? She goes, no, never wear it again. I was like, you don't sell it? Because she would sell some stuff from time of time. She had a little. I was like, you don't sell again? I can't sell it. She's like, hell no, I mean, selling this gown.

I'm like, man, I don't understand this at all. Like you spend all this money, you'll wear it once, and then you're going to put it away and keep it in wedding dress. Gowns, ball gowns and stuff like that. I was blown away the first time I paid for a gown. It was another big giant wake up. It was like the couch story where I called, I called backup. I was like, hey, I called my sister.

I was like, this gown. She's like, yeah, that's reasonable. I was like, horseshit, there's no way. You brought the tux thing about having. just like one, one tucks your whole life. And when I was playing, I was 316 pounds. Like, we'd always, you know, every Sunday guys would want to get the fits going and stuff like that. So every couple of years I would go get a couple suits, but I would always go to my suit guys and be like, hey, when I obviously, like eventually I'm going to retire and lose weight.

Like, I'll be able to bring it all in. Right? I can still wear these. And like, oh, yeah, no problem. And now I'm like 60 pounds less than I was before. And I brought these suits to people. And they're like, there's no way. Can't fix it.

You can't. So I've spent an absurd amount of money on clothes that just sit in my closet. I look at him like, I could never wear this again. I had a bunch of my buddies that were still playing. I was like, hey, come over to the house. And I said, like, this part of the closet besides like this suit and that suit and that suit I got married in. And then I have like a custom one that has like my daughter's names on it that. They're like, uh, bedazzled or whatever. I was like, yeah, that suit too.

Um, I was like, you guys take whatever you want. And they just ransacked the whole thing. It was like ruse and, uh, Raidens came over and did all that. but some of the money you spend just on dumb shit like I look back I'm just like what was I buying suits for like who cares

for what a photo when I got it posted the Instagram and be like yeah When I got it is what it's for too it is exactly what it's for Because you don't even I don't know how you were But I never even fully put the suit back on

Like even on game day No Once you get the photo Once you get the photo to get on the plane Yeah What'd you like loosen the tie You don't talk it a little bit Once you get that

Grand photo Oh my God What you get that photo for the grand man No one talks about it was about suits like you see like these people like you go on pinch your saying i want to get a nice little suit so you start looking like ideas and you see all these like swave gentlemen with like the suits perfectly laid out when i put that shit when i put that shit on it's like it looks good for 45 seconds and then it starts like wrinkling up at the top or i get a little yeah little sweaty

so i move it it's never tucked in long enough it's just a pain in the ass my biggest problem with pants or suits is the calves like i can't it can't my calves are i don't know i i i i i I have problems with the pantlet being too tight, yeah. Brother, we have opposite issues. And so when I... So, yeah, little asses with that. I got wrecked right. Yeah, you guys.

You look like them boys haven't seen the sun in the morning. He stays in jeans. I'm going to give us. Oh, shit. Let me get the sunbat. Turn the lifestyle a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, you got nice calves, though.

Got nice calves. Me, I've always had these prey legs, man. When they get... Geographic, getting chased by lion legs. I get a new suit. get it dry clean now i can't wear it because it's got a hold of my cab man i can't so comfortable that's another thing too is push it down are you are you jeans all year round even in the summer i mean he he he he answered no question for us i think i'm in pants all the time but i mean as

white as white as i am you got to be careful on the color or short you wear because it can make the whiteness even wider so you got to be like a very tan kind of an off white but um you know dale when he takes the shirt off like his face and his his face and like from the shoulder down is got a tan he's done out there even in things out in the summertime yeah i'm in as a broadcaster i got to wear um i can't wear jeans so i wear a lot of uh lulu lulu lemon yeah oh i've seen that they've had some some stuff coming about how what happened their material lowers your tea levels the hell tea levels yeah testosterone testosterone no shit you know what you should uh you should look into is true classic hey will can ask you question ask me dude what do you love about the true classic brand

What don't I love about the True Classic brand? That's fair. The first thing that comes to mind is their T-shirts. They fit snug, they fit right. And your boy, I got a little extra going around the, what do they call it, the muffin top? The spare tire. Yeah, the spare tire, right above the belt. True Classic, it grabs you perfectly in your chest, grabs you perfectly in your arms,

to where it gives you a little leeway down by the low tire. So it gives you a perception of, oh, this guy's body compass went down. That is what I love about True Classic. Their jeans also nice, snug, but you can also have a looser option. And they're very breathable. So you can bend, you could hit low ass to grass squats if you wanted to. Absolutely. But those are the things that jump out when you ask me what I love True Classic.

What would you say you love about True Classic? My favorite thing about true, I love what you say about the T-shirts. And I love how there's no branding on it. I think a lot of times people get mixed up with the big bold letterings on things. if you want to keep it true and you want to keep it classic the best thing to put on your body no branding keep it simple keep it simple the kiss method that's what i love about it dude i love these jeans you talk about astergrass like i wear these babies every single day yeah i got mobility out to yazoo yeah it's you can't mess around with these bad boys and the shirt you said it perfectly like

you take your shirt off you look yourself in the middle and be like okay yeah i could see where i've let myself go in a couple areas you put the shirt on then all of a sudden you're like maybe i can have that cheeseburger. Maybe I can have those little sneaky treats in the pantry lately at a night when I've had a couple of extra vitamins. Yes. Because this T-shirt makes everything just look a little bit better, dude. Yeah, it does. Simple.

Look good. Feel good. True Classic. Back to this episode. All right. True Classic. They have a new material that just came out that is rivals. Lulu Lemon. Like it's got that stretchy, but like still fits good kind of feel. Their stuff is

elite. That's like the new, that's like kind of been the saving grace is the jeans and all the shit that stretches. Yeah. So it kind of, because my body changes all year. Like I'll, I'll go up and down 10 pounds all year long.

Yeah. Up and down, up now, holidays and shit like that. Once November hits, man. And so, November's,

that's when, yeah. You got to buy the pants, one exercise up. I need my shit to be able to work with me. Yeah. Move a little bit. Yeah.

He would be incredible with true classic stuff on. Yeah. I mean, that's his style and his flow. There's like no branding on it. It's very clean. Yeah. Blacks,

white. It's kind of like a boot cut. Like, I don't like a tapered pant. Done. They got that? Oh, yeah. Kind of the little. I'll go for the loose.

You are. You do seem like a big time boot cut guy. Yeah, I'm boot cut. Boot cut on. Oh, yeah. I can't wait for the belt. Long, make you get that baggy cowboy look. Yeah.

I mean, I ain't going to be no queer. Yeah. You guys got your tight tapered pants. He looked at me, looked at me up and down the first time. I mean, what is this guy up to? It's like, oh, you got to check out these actual classes. What are the men of those tachuals with them pants on? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you big boot guy though. You like the boots? No boots. I just like wide. Fair enough. Relax. Yeah.

Just in case you fall off a skyscrip, you can parachute down. Something nice. I feel you. Gotta stay safe out here. We need. We need you in those. When you sit down and your pants come up and you see your ankles. Yes, same.

Like, I'm with you, brother. I'm with you. Now, if you got some good calves, though, and you got some good ankles sometimes. Yeah. See my legs. I don't need nobody to see my ankles. You don't need none of that. You don't need anybody seeing them legs.

I know. What am I going to do? It's too late. I'm 50 years old. Like getting a tan or any kind of base. I'm past the point. Like when you go to Hawaii, are you wearing pants on the beach?

No. Yeah. They make a special swimsuit for him. No, man. Honey, come on. You know, Dale walked into his wife's house, his house like a year ago with the pants that you can unzip. Like, sweetheart, look how nice these are.

These are pretty crazy, right? He probably wears a pajama. pants too. Probably. Just switches out of the jeans, put on some nice pajama pants. You do strike me as a guy with the buttons too, like the button pajama shirt. No. Only on Christmas. Yeah.

They gotta do that. How elite is the matching family pajamas for Christmas? Really? That is nice. Well, you've got a couple of sets of matching pajamas, but I don't know the brand, but. Yeah, so the matching pajamas for Christmas is a lot of fun. Yeah, what do you mean pajama pants? What's wrong with pajamas?

So you wear them? Yes. Yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with them. We just say we know you do. There's nothing wrong with them. Oh, I don't know, man. I didn't know there's a thing.

You showed us the leg. It's like, okay, he doesn't show his legs. Because legit light bulbs, you get that big of a tent. If I'm not leaving the house, I'm not putting, I'm putting sweatpants on or pajama pants. Yeah, big sweatpants guy, but I'm saying, when I sleep, it's either I'm just in my underwear or I got shorts on. Yeah, I'm an underwear guy.

I'm an underwear guy. Yeah, through and through. Okay, I thought you, that's why I thought you slept in pajama pants. I would, I would have guessed. Yeah. You can't. I still, I'm still not sold in the button thing. If you get in the bed.

What are you pulling up on this? If you get in the bed with pajama pants on, they go, they rise up to your knees. You got to be, you're always pushing them down. I can't have that. No. That is a fight, man. The pajama pants. Should we dive into the most important thing of this episode?

Can I please, P? Go Pee. I might do it. Take a week. You need to take a late? Go ahead. Pause. You wait.

I'm going to show you all my shit. Yeah. That's awesome. Preparation. That's where, what is it? Where preparation meets the opportunity. Dale, I didn't bring this up to you, but I text. in him on our flight to Vegas.

I'm like, he's journaling. And then you post on Discord, you're doing your playbook. And I was like, what? Dude, that's awesome. Yeah. I'm like, hey, we got to get a game in.

And you're like, oh, no, no, I don't play. I would. I would. I just wouldn't, didn't want to make it. I didn't want to, I didn't want that to be the dominant thing about this meeting. Brother, I love simulation.

Like the fact that you, you're simulating the game, right? Yeah. No. No, we play it, man. You play? I play the games. Oh, so when you're winning, you're controlling the user?

Yes, sir. I thought you were saying you don't play. No, I don't, I meant like, I don't like, I don't, so this is, this is, this is how I do. I will play in this franchise with them. I'll play them. Are we recording Mitch? Yeah. Okay.

I don't get on there and go, I'm just going jump in a random game with some Yahoo online. Yeah. I don't do that. It's weird to me. It's weird. I will race on the internet against anybody across the country, you know, 20, 30 dudes. Yeah.

But I can't, it's weird to me to play like a one-on-one one. We're talking about college football. Yeah. This is what you want to talk about this entire podcast. A little bit. So Dale and R. Jr. is the most recent national champion college football coach in his league. Okay. I was in, all right.

So I don't know if everybody can see this, but this is my gift from Charlotte, 49ers, UNCC. I am in a 23-person league, friends, buddies, people I know, some people I don't. And I started as a one-star with Charlotte and recruited them up to a four-and-a-half star and beat Michigan, who's a buddy of mine. He was my best man. He's the best man in my wedding, T.J. Majors. He's Michigan, won three in a row, 90s in a row, and I beat him in the last national championship. And so... Unseated a dynasty.

It's a fun. Unseated a dynasty. Confirm college football sicko. It's fun. And he's a better user. He's better on the stick. So he's... And there are other people in the league that are just a little better on a stick, right?

He's lose with Michigan. Duke's and stuff. Well, I recruited, worked hard. So I was going to bring you my... is my iPad, my own personal iPad, right? I literally halfway through this podcast, I was looking, I was like, why does he have an iPad with him? All right, well, it's the only way I can really help you understand, like, the work that goes

into this. So I have a spreadsheet on my dynasty, and this is my offense, all right? And so. Like, this is your depth chart? Yes, depth chart. Red is some seniors, juniors, you know, it's color-coded for players. and these are all my red shirts and these are scouting

these are guys I'm scouting this is how many points I've got on them where I am in the scouting first first you know second in scouting and so there's defense all right you know this is a full

this is a manifesto this is a Conor Staling's manifesto yeah that is my depth chart right and that's how I have stuff on the game where you can see the depth chart but you need it on a one screw I need to be able to take it everywhere this is the deal of showing why he's been

rate his whole life. I need to take it everywhere I go because I'm always thinking about this. And I'm always like, oh, I got to move that guy. He's, he's, so offensive or the outside linebacker speed rusher is broken, right? In the game, they can't, they can't improve. So if you've got a speed rusher, outside linebacker, you got to move him for him to really realize his potential. So maybe there's something like that going on and you're like, I'm going to moving to defensive end. So I got this with me all the time. This is probably the real money. This is all the success. So this is my playbook. So these are all run plays. These are past plays, RPO's screens, right? And so these numbers is the average yards per use. So if I've used

the plays 100 times or 30 times or how many times I've used the play, this is average yards on that play. And so this is where the play is in the situation. So first down, these are all the run plays in first down. This play. So this is your call sheet. It's my call sheet. And so I will, and like, you know, there's a, you know, I don't know, 40 run plays. All of these aren't in my playbook.

I do a custom playbook. But this is how I customize it. I run all these plays. I play multiple games. And then I'll look at the average yardage that I get for all these plays. I will then rank them and their ability to gain yards. And then I will customize my playbook. And to make sure that when I'm, you know, on a first and 10,

I've got it suggesting to me. I use suggestions only, which is kind of a no-no for most people. Most people don't think suggestions is a way to go. But I use suggestions, but I have my custom book tailored to suggest to me the exact play I need that's probably got the most, the play that's got the most probability to get the first down.

And then on second short, second medium, second long, all the situations, right? Going for two, goal line pass, whatever. It's going to give me at least five or ten of the best most highly successful plays for that moment. And every six or seven games, I go through and look at all my plays and make sure to update the average yardage per use. And because that moves it in, that moves the play up and down the list, right? And maybe there's a new play that I,

and the other thing I do, I got on my, on my YouTube, I've got this long curated playlist of videos. I follow about three or four, five content creators around NCAA, and I watch all their videos, and I write down everything that they're learning and all the tricks, the cheese,

whatever you want to call it. And so, There's all kinds of quirky, broken things about the game in recruiting and player progression and stuff like that. Do you follow a Kurt Benkirk? Probably not. He's a quarterback for the Packers, but he breaks down college football 25. Really? I need to follow you, man.

Yeah, I think you'd like that. I follow these guys that are making content daily and always finding something new and unique and how to make the best coach build and whatever, right? And so I write all this stuff down and have all this information ready to go and make sure I'm doing everything I need to be doing to be successful. And so when I go play my buddy, T.J., who's probably going to beat me one-on-one if we just sat down and both took Alabama, I got to be ready with everything I can bring him, right, to beat him and Michigan. He'll come up to the line of scrimmage. Every damn player's got a star under it. He's recruiting better than anybody else with his pipeline.

So, I mean, he's got amazing players, and he's good. Your squad's got the. But I got, I'm doing the work. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing what an entire football staff is doing. It just says one individual. So that is hilarious.

And so you won the next championship. You don't play. I do play. He does play. He corrected that. I guess that's what he now means is I'm like, hey, if we got a game in. For him, it's like, no, we, there's no, I don't sit down and play the football

game and I pick my favorite team and we play against each other. I won't sit. He's thinking that iPad goes like he plays at his spot in his spot only because he's got everything dialed in. Right. I play this dynasty and nothing else. You don't do away games. I don't sit down and do a one-on-one with some random.

Right. Right. I'm not into that. You're going to make it to your league to even have the opportunity. I go and play my league games. That's what I play. And there's 23 of us in there. And some of us, I got two teams.

I got Stanford too. And so I just started using Stanford just to kind of kill the time between advances because sometimes our advances are four or five days. So there's a little bit of dead time. I was going to ask, like, what's the cadence with this league? Yeah, every four or five days. is in advance. And so,

yeah. Commissions it and there's like, Hey, Jay's the commissioner. Michigan. So before we started, yeah,

the podcast you were, Will was saying that you don't play it, but you actually do. I do play the game. You're on the sticks. Yeah, I play the games.

Um, we don't send the games. Um, but I don't play outside of this dynasty. Like, I don't play just pick up games. Yeah. With regular folks.

I mean, I think it would be fun, but it's, I don't know why. It's weird to me to be. You're a natural chance. It's weird to me to play one-on-one in any kind of console game with a stranger. I don't know why that's weird to me.

But I do like being in group activities, like where you play with, like, on my PC games, I play a game called Hell Let Loose, and it's a World War II shooter. So you got to squad up with six guys, and y'all all got to be doing your jobs and shit like that. Put them on, Will. And then you got to go, you go and race. That sounds fire. You're going to play PubG? I played PubG back in the day, but I'm on Hell Let Loose now.

but on eye racing right you race against 20 30 dudes on i racing on my sim my sim rig i do that anytime i don't mind doing that but this is this deal here and i'll i'll say this like and you guys can probably appreciate this i mean i've already appreciated everything that you've laid out for us with that i pat yeah the detail you have a full call sheet that tells you which situation there's a massive respect factor that's taking place right now with what you've done here that's crazy the the that's unnecessary and if you're just I know it's unnecessary but I need to do it because I love the I love the details I love the data yeah I love the information and like when I would when I was working out

and trying to stay in shape as a race car driver what I enjoy doing was road bikes I hated the freaking ride I hated the 40 mile ride I dreaded it what was hanging out there in front of me was all of the data I got from the ride my average watts my you know all of the information that i would get from my um you know my technology and all the crap you could put on the bike to tell me how i did compared to my last ride that's what i rode for and that's what made me want to ride was to see if i was faster or better and and that's you know and i think too like as i've retired from racing and i don't have that consuming my brain all the time like these little hobbies are what keep my mind sharp at like 50 years old. Like I need like I need this mental

gymnastics that's in this you know that's this bullshit that I'm playing with my buddies. Right. Um, and I take it way too far, right? And, and, and, and, but I'm like, hey, you know, that's my chance to win. That's how I'm going to beat DJ is to be like, make sure that I am playing the, I'm calling the very best play every single moment I can possibly call for myself. And I know this because I've looked at all these plays and I ran them and I've, and I've listed them. And I, and I've listed them and I've got them right here and I've created this very, you know, custom playbook. And so, yeah, it's fun. You need to hit this the next level.

We need an inspiring. I don't know what the next level could be. I mean, I think it's already taking for the next. When I was racing and it was the 40 miles and I dreaded it, I hated it. It consumed me. But all the technology, all the details, the process, the loving it. And he's like, that's when I get out of college football 25. He's like, I don't have that anymore.

And you know, when I'm coaching, what's the mascot for Charlotte, the 49ers? The 49ers, yeah. When I'm coaching those boys, the Charlotte 49ers and. Colley. Samuel, he's elevated his GPA and now he can't play and he is eligible this Saturday. That's what I get out of this game. When I got a guy who's on the outside linebacker spot and I know he's reached his maximum potential. So I move him into defensive event and I get to see that sparking his eye.

eyes. And we've had one-on-one. We've had one-on-one conversations. I'm like, no, you belong on the edge. And he's trying to tell me I'm a stand-up backer. And now I need to trust this data that this has given me. I found a- I showed him the sheets.

He doesn't believe in the sheets, but eventually he did believe in the sheets. And what happened? He's a five-star. Now he's a blue blood. Yeah. And now he's a champion. Yeah. Because he listened, because he took the coach in.

He's a champion. I have it on good. What the hell does Amy think of all this? She hates it. Yeah. And I got to know you're Katie. And so you're every, okay, your games, your weeks are four or five days long, right? But you're clearly, you're, you're every day.

I'm every other day probably in the, in the, I'm in the, I'm in the, you know, in the, I'm in the war room every other day working on this. You know, those off days too, he's thinking to himself, I want to be back in there so bad. You know those days. With those real life work in front of him where he's like, not real life work. I got to get this. Not real life work. It's the time home. Yeah.

He's like, all right, we're going to be watching this TV show to that. I got to stay in that. That's right. That was last night. I was like, all right, we're not doing it tonight. We're not doing it tonight. Watch this show. Got to be there for my family.

You know, to get in the simulator real quick. I guess I should work on my cars. I do have a game that I've got to play against App State. App State's my co-pilot. He's with me here in Nashville. He flew to plane. He landed a plane here today.

And his name's Alex. And I played Alex a couple seasons ago and beat him really bad. And so I spent the time on the next flight that we were flying somewhere and wrote him a base, an e-book. and gave him list i gave him my play book you wrote him an ebook i wrote him an ebook emailed it to him i'm like here's everything i do with scouting here's everything i do with plays here's here's i'll show you this shit dude he's a cuner stallions of 25 and then i sent him

psycho i sent him my playbook he wrote his buddy an ebook he wrote his buddy a manifesto on how to become a better 25 and he's dominant now and now like when i play him it's like i know i got and shit together because he's going to call all the same shit I call and I got it I don't even I don't even know how to stop some of the shit I call yeah you'd regret saying you know you're you've transcended I know man like if I was playing myself could I even beat this oh my and it's so funny because the passion oozing from him he really asked himself that kind of question yeah oh my gosh how good he was doing he's like have I have I done it Have I cracked the code on this game?

He said, I wrote, I've given him everything that I know. And now I'm going to be playing against him. And he's going to be calling the same shit that I call. And I'm wondering, can I even stop myself? And you see the look at his eye. Like, he's got Daytona this weekend. Oh, my God. Oh, that's a great question.

Do you have a picture of the war room? Oh, it's just my house I mean it's just my game room Yeah, but is it decked out No, no, no You gotta have a corp board somewhere No, no, no, it's just a room With a couch and a TV

One time You got a corpour with some sort of There's none of I can be no physical evidence You know you print up the smart man Yeah, I see you know physical evidence in the room God, you got to stream this man What time of day this is happening for you?

Like with the day you know when it gets to All right kids go down at 730 Yeah, she knows Kids go to bed about 9 o'clock. I mean, I can't imagine you putting down your kids at 7, 38 o'clock. Oh, they go to bed at 9. Okay, imagine that. Like the pregame jitters.

They want you to read the book. They want you to tell the story. And you're thinking, and these kids have no fucking clue. It's week one of the big season. Hey, great point. This brings it all back around. Dale sent me his children's book, and I'm reading it to Roo. And I'm thinking, this is the longest fucking children's book I've ever read.

So he ain't reading his books. No, he said it to his boys. This is a ruse. This is a long con. He made this book for his boys in his league that he knows his kids. And now they can't focus. They got to read this long-ass book. So we're going to read Go Dog Go.

Yeah. It's about eight pages. Good night. Eight pages. Dude, those are the best ones too. When you're kid, you tell your kid, go ahead and pick out a book and they bring back those real thick ones. Oh my gosh. But the pages are like that thick each is only about eight of them.

You're like, hell yeah. Okay. Only one tonight, though. Okay. Only one tonight. I meant to do a write up on Twitter about your children's book because I remember being in that one time, you'd be like, oh. Oh, don't do that.

She wants to go back and see the cars in the garage. There are some books that are, you're like, damn, I should take that one out of rotation. Everyone should buy that book there. Hey, anyone out here listening, please buy the book. You see your little one go walk over to the shelf and like, God, why didn't I grab that? That one right there. Trip to Victory Lane.

How many pages that thing? What's that novel look like? My six-year-old is the long book person. And my little four-year-old is like the cardboard. car, you know, cardboard. Yeah. Open it up. It's like three words each page.

I love it. Hell yeah. My seven, my seven, my seven, my seven, my seven, it's in Harry Potter

but it used to be a chapter or night. And I, you haven't seen me read on this podcast yet, but it's, it's slower moving than most. And so I go to like

the five pages saying, my four-year-old, she's the same way with like the little pop-up books. And she wants to put stickers on a page. I'm like, we'll do one page. Yeah.

And I always let her do two because I'm my kind of dead. I do it out of there. You're, it's no bullshit, man. I'll be sitting in there in the middle of the book going, damn, this book, you know. And then I have to remind myself, I'm like, what an asshole, you know? Yeah.

I'm going to miss this. Yeah, man. And I'm like, guess just shit. I'm telling myself, I'm like, shut up, self. Just read the book. Just enjoy the book. Get into the book. I think one day you're going to wish you're back in this moment.

Then just sitting under your arm. My little four-year-old is smart enough to know I'm half-assing this, right? Yeah. She, you know, and she's like, what's the deal with this guy? Yeah. Right. I was her passionate about this as I am. Where's the voice inflection?

Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah, you got to change the voices too for all the characters. I really enjoy doing it. I don't read it enough until you do that. I do that because I have to do the audio for our book. You know what's messed up? Oh, yeah.

You know what's messed up? Oh, yeah. I love that. I get into it. You know how they say, like, in books, there's like the quotes or like somebody's talking. And it says like Darla said. It's like so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Darla said.

That's annoying. They didn't put Darla says in the beginning, so I know to change the voice inflection for that, because I start we're going across these lines. And I'm like, what voice am I supposed to be doing here? This is Darla.

And I feel like I have to go back and read as Darla now. And those are made up. Sure, I'm glad you brought the info on the children's book. I saw the age range as 4 to 8. I'm like, okay, so Rue's got a couple years. I shouldn't even crack that. Right.

If anything, it's inappropriate. Yeah, that was your fault. That was your fault. It was never to learn about victories. I'm thinking like, oh, man, super nice a deal. Coincidentally, all his buddies in the league, their kids are all between four and eight. That's how this all happens.

You get freed up around nine? Yes. So you'll play from nine until. I just, a game's an hour. But you ain't just. With Ali. I know. So you got recruiting every week.

Yeah. You got to go in there and go, all right, man, I got a big lead here. I can spare some points and put it on this other guy where he's in second. And now I'm at a five and a half star or four and a half star. So I'm going up against some big schools trying to beat, you know, Michigan and other people. Michigan got two wide receivers from me already in this round. I hope Michigan has become the thing in this. We're in week four, and they got two, like, mid-90 speed wide receivers,

but I got one guy, you know, so there's just one guy I think I might win. So you'll play until about midnight? Midnight, yeah, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at the clock. But then, man, you get up and you're like, I'm going to go sit on the couch and eat some junk food. Sometimes, man, I just can't go down. Well, yeah, you have a big game. You got a big game. I've just played the game.

Don't say he's coming down. It's hard for him to come down. Hard for me. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get done playing a big 60 minutes of football right there. Especially when you win, win really good. Yeah, I get nervous.

Eat some food, send your boy a message. Like, yeah, yeah. How'd that go for you? That go the way you wanted? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah.

I'd be to get to the national championship against Michigan, I beat Texas State by, with the last second field goal. Texas State? So there's somebody else in that It's pretty good at recruiting Yeah, on the program Dominic Corelli's his name And he's pretty tough

And he's got a fast quarterback And he knows how to use it It sounds like he's involved With the mafia with that name Yeah So I almost didn't even make it a natty How many years has this dynasty? I won year 29

2009 It took you 29 Cs No, 2,029 So 4 years Oh, okay, okay Sorry And so you've unseated a Michigan team That's won three national championship

In a row Yeah he won one with South Carolina And then somehow or another, he don't, he don't do his recruiting or used to not, and his team took a shit. And so you got to. I got to, I got to work a lot. Yeah. He's got a job. Yeah.

Yeah. I know, man. My time's limited, man. I can only put this much into it for a short period of time where I have to, I have to pull the plug and go do something else. Yeah. We used to have a Madden League back around 2012. He was in that too. And it was full.

36 or however many 32 full member everybody had a team I was Washington and uh I got this I got this fictional running back I'll never forget his name Nick Hubbard insane I pulled him off a free agency he was like a 68 overall

but he had 97 speed 98 speed and a lot of strength and a good a good a good trucking ability and um and so I his overall was so low because his awareness sucked.

But if you're usuring the player, it don't fucking matter if they got bad awareness. So I blew this dude up. He was nasty. And I destroyed the league for three years in a row, won three Super Bowls in a row. Got that kid paid.

And then I was like, this is boring. I'm out. I quit. No, is this so funny. Sherman, did you pull up the game the hell or high water.

What was in? Hell let loose. That's it. Hell let loose. Dude, it's fun as hell. Yeah, it looks like Call of Duty. It's kind of like Hall of Duty. It's kind of like Hall of Duty.

So there's, it's kind of like Call of Duty, but, Call of Duty, but, it's slower, slower pace. Yeah, the, it's like one shot dead. You got to really kind of, you don't, you know, you're going to die a lot if you move too fast. Yeah. So you got to be smart.

Yeah, I like it. You respond a lot or do you get one life and that's it? No, you can respond. Okay. So, yeah, is very much of Colorado, if Dale was gooning with us on PubG one night? Yeah. I, I like Hill, I like the, the, the,

I like the real historical what you're talking about that's like I like the military a hundred on an island I don't know I like the historical I like the historical like World War II era

so PubG just had a time I used to play Pugge on 30s you'd be good a crap ton on this thing I used to play PubG on iPad because like you could take it anywhere yeah and play anywhere and it was not bad on a mobile

it was pretty good yeah but PubG's a lot of of fun. Do you ever play Red Debt Redemption too? Yeah. Yeah. Give me your take on that game. Did you play it all the way through? Um, I don't think I finished it. Ooh, dude, it's a lot. It is a lot. You gotta have the book. Did you get the book to finish it? Because you gotta, I mean, sometimes you'll get in some of those scenarios and you're like, I really don't know what the

fuck to do right here. Like the book tells you every little. Yeah, I guess maybe all the side missions, but I mean, I was yeah, I feel you're trying to find the treasure map or go skinning animals or something like that. But if you're just playing the storyline, I think I did the first one. Red Dead Redemption. Yeah. And then... That was a good storyline.

But I didn't do the second one. I... What I want is... And it may exist, but I don't know. I got into Red Dead Redemption 2 on the PC. And I want to like a... I want a world that's existing all the time that you can drop into. That's a wild, wild west.

And like you are... You're a character and you're always developing that character. I know that you can jump in. to online play on Red Dead Red Dev Redemption, but it's kind of quirky. It's not like a authentic, realistic experience, right? You run around, shoot people, they shoot you, whatever. But it would be cool if they could figure out a way or if there is a way to, like, have a character that's everlasting.

Like, that's your character. You drop in, you play this guy, you're this guy, and you go, you know, put your ass to bed, get up the, you know, next time you log in, you get out of bed, you go run around and do some stuff. So, you're saying, six to you no it does i'm just thinking like i wonder if there's anything in vr and then i'm thinking like vr buddy you might get consumed by this yeah yeah yeah dale would never expect this but i think dale ready player one have you seen that movie yeah yeah yeah

like he put the thing on then all of a sudden you're in that world and you're gonna your real world kind of goes to shit yes yeah yeah but this world you're like him being like you get up because i'm the same way i could definitely fall into that trap he's like you get up you take your you take your ass to bed and I'm just thinking, you played Harvest Moon before? So in this Red Dead fantasy you have, it's a Western game, but you can like build a home by land, all these, so you can essentially live a real world. So there's a game called Arc. I tried to put Will and the boys on it. They weren't really having it. But essentially you start out as like a level zero. And you're like a caveman. You're living in priest in dinosaur times.

And you can, you're essentially just like trying to survive for your first 50, levels but you can learn to learn to make tools learn to build structures learn you know you can start farming things and eventually you can get so good at arc that you can have like technological advances where you have like jet packs you're flying on things there's dragons and that is a world that is everlasting the way you're saying you can live in that and people can come to your world and take all your stuff and you basically have to start all over yeah that's kind of like day z or was it days we played daisy for a while that's kind of yeah

my old thing is you build that thing up and you die and you get taken over it's over the Asian clans come and start over day zee's like the zombie apocalypse you you launch into the world and this thing's been around forever and it's kind of it kind of goes through these certain periods of popularity and but you land on this big giant island and you got nothing right You got to eat. You're like, your guy will die if you don't like feeding food. And you, you know, you steal from people and you build houses to hide your shit in.

And it's kind of the same way. But it doesn't really progress beyond like the technology, bare basic technology that you have is what you have. Yeah, this one. Did you play Skyrim? No. That was a great game. That's a fun game. I, but we need to go back to Red Debridep's real quick.

You need to go play too. You need to play it all the way through. You need to play the storyline and fully invest in Arthur Moore. Morgan. To me, this is the greatest game ever created. Okay. When I got my ACL refixed in 2021, I had eight days and I played the entire game in eight days. I had nothing else to do. I sobbed. At the end of the game, I have no joke tears streaming down my face. It's me and my wife and I cried. And then there was a break in crying. And as I was going to sleep that night, I started to re-cry about the game. That's how. How did your wife take that? I was like, yo, what the

These pain pills are on. Must be way different than anything I've ever taken. I'm already getting a lot of shit about this NCAA football I'm playing. I'm not sure how she might react if I cried over a game. Arthur, no, just from the other room. That might push her over the edge, man. There's no coming back from that. Thinking about it now, to be honest with you.

I'm getting emotional thing about Arthur Morgan right now. And I know there's a bunch of tier ones right now saying, oh, you need to double stream. I'm going to double stream. It's been a busy couple of weeks. bro, you need to, not just they can't, they shouldn't leave you alone. You said something, you haven't even answered them. I actually have.

You need to focus on my Twitter account. I actually did. You still talk to Billy? You're talking to them every day? Bill, I don't talk to people every day, but I sent a little PSA. I said, hey, I know I said I was going to do a double stream. I've been to made to wear it and it was right above the tweet you made. Oh, no.

Are y'all? I was like, I will eventually do a double stream. You're streaming your game? Yeah, we'll stream Tuesdays around 11. What platform? What's that? What platform? I think it was just doing it on YouTube, right?

YouTube or Twitch? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not Twitch? No, I don't think we've dove enough into it, but we should definitely dive into that little more. Like I just figured out what Discord was. Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah. Because we were, when we do on PubG, Coup, he does it from a PlayStation. Got to do it with a Discord. Yeah. That's what we have in our college football league is a big Discord. That's how we communicate every day.

And everybody's in there running their mouth and bullshit about shit that don't even matter. About stuff that gets their life, right? I'm going for a job interview today, guys. We're like, all right. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a stream. You better strap the fuck up. Yeah. Job interview. Man, are we, uh, we feel good? Yeah, we need to ask him the Bud Light question. Oh, do you have that? Yes.

What he would do anything for. Yes. Our Bud Light question segment. And again, stock up now on Bud Light. Head to Budlight.com slash locator to find a store near you. But our Budlight question. there's talks what people would do for a bud light what would you do anything for like what is that for so for example steve rnella he gave us a great story he's like by the end of my life like i don't care i will do i will move heaven and earth to create this little docu-series i won't say what the concept is because he told us afterwards he's like i can't tell you guys but i will get this made i don't care how many views it gets it doesn't matter like i want this story to come to life somewhere somehow he would do anything to get this docu-series created what is you're going to do you guys or something that you need anything for me my life has been amazing there ain't shit um

i mean i don't want to say that i mean obviously the traditional things i have to probably say some people that are watching this don't go what the fuck's wrong with this guy with my wife and my kids but um outside of like i would uh uh uh i think i would probably i mean those the things that keep popping in my mind are like getting my wife getting my kids through or um because my life has been i've already done all the things i've already done everything i did it all i did everything i wanted i don't there's nothing sitting in front of me where like shit i hope that happens not even the cup stuff like if the cup thing happens yeah i was going to bring that up i was going to say yeah i don't want to do i wouldn't do anything for that um you know i'm

kind of i'm kind of 50 and good and i want you know i want to watch i want to be i want to be more excited, invested in what happens between now and my kids graduating school and moving out of the house, right? Are they going to play sports? Is it going to be dance? Whatever hell it's going to be, right? What are we going to get into? And my goal, I think, is all of that, whatever that is in that, whatever happens between now and them graduating college, which I hope they do, all that's fine. They choose. But like, I want to make sure that they are, when they leave the house, right to be adults that they are equipped with all the tools and so like I would do anything in the world to make sure that that is what situation they're in you know

I mean yeah there ain't nothing in front of me personally professionally that is that's that I'm like oh you know got to get it it seems like it seems like it seems like back-to-back titles and yeah yeah I'm okay It seems like he's doing a generic answer and made it beautiful the way you just explained that for your kids. Dude, I'm going to tell you right now, if I got a, on my podcast this week, we played a clip. TJ's my podcast co-host, my buddy that I beat with Michigan. We played a clip from the coach of the UNC 49ers congratulating me. I got the helmet, a jersey, a hat.

I told them, I told all my buddies in our discord, I said, hey, I just booked a spot on busting with the boys to go talk about the Natty. I told him that two weeks ago and they're like that fires me yeah and so I've been running this into the ground and TJ is over it and so like if I don't beat his ass

this next time it's gonna be held up I just booked a spot I'm bust with the boys and go talk about the nattie if I don't win he is going to when does the next season start it's already started

with like three or four weeks in so I think we'll play this you know we'll play the national championship probably in about four five four weeks maybe oh it's a short-lived celebration quick. You're on a tour of celebrating your national championship in the middle of your next season.

Yes. And so he's the favorite to win next the next night of you. He's already probably behind the scenes planning his celebration because he has some connections. He has connections at Michigan. Does he? He knows some people. So it could be rough. But I told him, I'm like, live it up, man.

Who would have thought, Charlotte, taking them down? I would not have thought. I wouldn't have guessed that. I would have lost a lot of money on Fandil. Before we end, before we end this, I just wanted to, I brought this helmet. Now, we didn't talk about this, and there's really nothing to it. There's not a story or anything.

Other than, you know, y'all both know that I love Washington. And when I went to, in 2015, I had an appearance to go to the college football Hall of Fame. And I'm standing there. I'm also meeting a make-a-wish kid there that particular day. we were going to tour the facility, right, and look around all the cool shit in there. I'm standing there,

and Dave Butts, the lineman for Washington, walks up, and he goes, hey, and introduce himself. I was like, I know who you are, and he handed me this helmet.

I want you to add this. So it was a big surprise that he was going to be there for me, and somebody had set that up. And so Dave Butts walks up, and he gives me this helmet. And he's like, this is my helmet from 1984. I immediately, obviously,

recognized it was a game warm helmet and he's like I want you to have it and so people ask me all a time like and I thought to bring this today because people ask me all the time they're like what's your favorite piece of memorabilia of outside of racing and so this is it this is my favorite piece of shit that I've got right of all the all the Washington I got helmets tons of helmets I collect helmets I got I got 180-ish college and football helmets right of all types of teams and And this is number one out of helmets or any other piece of uniform, signed jersey, anything. This is my holy grail. And Dave gave this to me.

And I thought y'all would appreciate it. Being players, knowing what this probably went through, knowing what Dave was. Yes. Right? Do you mind if I, can I? I thought I needed to bring that. I wanted to bring it for like maybe some inspiration. That's a different world.

Different world. Yeah. I mean, that is so bad ass, though. He was so. He had a logo too. Yep. I mean. It's back, man.

They kind of thought, hey, we're bringing it back. It's nice. Have they been bringing it back? They talked about the logo can come back and they're going to use the logo and some marketing and some things because the family that designed it was like, hey, you know, this is this is something we'd like to have happen. So I think there's been some conversations around the logo itself being used in some marketing stuff. Bring the logo back, man. I don't think the logo was ever coming back to the helmet. Right.

But yeah, pretty neat, man. Washington's in a good spot, man. They are? Oh, you kidding me? You got to be fired up, man. They're in a great spot. It was fun watching them last year. Just make that run and beating the Lions.

That was crazy. It had been. They performed the entire game, too. Yeah. I hadn't ran around. I was in Texas at my wife's had some friends and family. We were visiting, and I was running around in this person's living room like a maniac, you know, during the game. the, you know, during the game.

Amy's invested, Amy's into it, the kids are into it, they wear jerseys and they get the little cheerleader uniforms. And my little girl, Ila, six years old, is like, hey, commanders playing today. Are we wearing the jerseys? We got to wear the jerseys. I'm like, yeah, let's get the jerseys. And so, I mean, the fact that they're good, the fact that they're winning is all like happening at the perfect time for me because my family's, my girls are kind of impression.

and when they were winning those games at the end of last season it brought me back to my childhood because when you know they hadn't really kicked real ass since 91 I was I remember where I was when they won against Denver in the Super Bowl against the bills against Miami and I remember physically where I was standing or what I was doing and and I hadn't been that happy and it was so nice to be happy and like really really. truly, genuinely cheering about your team going that deep into, you know, the postseason. I know I'm overstating it a little bit, but I'm a fan, right? So I'm biased.

But you know, you play there, and you know the history and the legacy of that team and what that means to the fans that go to those games. Oh, yeah. All the teams you play for, you know how passionate the fans are? And, God, Almighty, we've been waiting a long time. I mean, there's other teams that have been waiting a long time, too, but damn, it's been tough. Just the story of Washington, Snyder, the ownership of the cloud that's kind of been there.

You root for them, but you're like, they couldn't do anything right. Owner off the field. It was always bad news. You'd like, nobody wants to play for us. Look at all this shit going on. All the, we can't escape the bullshit. Right. And then they get new ownership, new coaching staff, and it feels like it's positive.

And then they get the players in and them have the success that they've had so quickly. It turned around insanely fast. I've been watching for you. agency I will I'm looking at my phone every day following JP and a couple of those guys going hey man what's the update who is it John Guy yes like who's up yes yes I'm like oh man those are my guys yeah and I'm like what's the news you know let me know oh we you know because we're all fired up about our GM and all we think he's walks on water yeah and and we're like hey man they're gonna now that now that we've shown everybody in the league that what we can do and everybody's

excited about Jaden. All these players are like, I want to go there. Let's see it. Let's see it. Here's free agency. Let's see who signs up. It's neat. It's a lot.

Dale is when he's just a fan. He sounds like a passionate man in general. The thing I love you talking about, though, is like your kids getting fired up, watching the games with you because my oldest daughter's started to hit that with Michigan. Like this year, like she will, every Saturday, like, we'd have the game on or whatever during the day. And we'd either watch it casually and I would go back and watch it or like she would

sit down and watch it with me. And when we played Ohio State this year and we won, I remember she was in the other room because she was doing something. Her mom and my youngest daughter are like sprinting in the room. Like we're all high five. Like they were like truly about it. What I thought was like the coolest moment. It's like that's got to be feeling.

I didn't meet my wife when I was at Michigan. But like she knows like I enjoyed playing there and stuff like that. And I've like recently become like a bigger and bigger fan and like really dived into the culture. And to see my seven year old be about it. And then here you talk about your kids being about it, putting the jerseys on all. It's very similar.

Yeah, it's like this is how fans are built. Yep. This is like organically how fans are just made and it's awesome. Teaching Rue to go big red chain. Yeah. Did that have football? Like, yeah, we're going to watch football today, sweetheart. We're going to have that on.

I've got to be watching Daniel Tiger. Daniel Tiger kick rocks for just 12 hours. All right. We'll get back to it tomorrow. A little bear. Yeah, this is me and my daughter. I took her to Northwestern. So that's the game before Ohio State.

And, I mean, they dropped like a 50 burger on Northwestern. And so a win was kind of dialed. And I talked to the team before, too. So I was like, maybe something's in the air. And technically they're undefeated since me and my daughter went to that game. So I don't want to, you know. Me and Amy were at the Chicago game where they had the Harold Mary. Oh, no shit.

Insane. That was so wild. We were sitting there in this. Is she a fan? Is she a fan of football? Yeah. She likes it because I like it. And there's not been a lot to, there we are.

We got to go down on the field. Probably about 20 feet away from us. You know that moment. right everybody's gone the whole stadium's empty jaden's about 20 feet away doing an interview and i would get to luckily get to say hey man i'm a big banny you're badass you know and so um that was a cool moment for us i wonder if jaden even understands how big up a deal that is like dale and ronior came up to you he didn't he waited for you to finish interview he has other things in his mind that are big deals right yeah that are cool and and his generation and the people that he like

holds at a certain level of you know celebrity status or whatever but um we were i I wore my Reggans jersey. I'm like, they let me go sit in the owner's suite. Like that was automatic when Dan was there. When Dan on the team, I was getting invites every week. And then the new people come in and I'm like, man, I wonder if I get that invite. Yeah. And so they sent one and we're like, hi, we're going.

We didn't know where we were sitting. But they walked us in there and like, oh, hell, they done. We did redid the whole thing. The whole owner's suite's like a whole different color now. And we sit down on the front row, watch a whole game. and ain't looking good. Everybody's leaving. Everybody's kind of leaving,

even their owner suite. And he's like, what we're doing? I was like, we're doing. I was like, you know, even if we lose, we're going to lose,

we're going to stand here a few minutes, soak it in. We'll just wait. We got, we're staying here a few minutes. We ain't leaving. We ain't leaving. And,

we're standing there and, and, you know, he's the ball up in the air and, yeah, we're watching. And they fucking caught that pass. And what people were left, It was like pandemonium.

Like Amy, I'm watching, I was like watching Amy go crazy, like loving that because I'm like, shit. You know, my wife is a, you know, a big commanders fan now. And I don't know, man, that was a, to have been there and seen that in person. And I remember like watching the one guy go down the field number 23 that was taunting. Yeah. I'm watching it. I'm like, hmm, here's an opportunity. This fucking guy is not paying attention.

I wonder if anybody else notices this, like, you know. He went viral. Yeah. And so I'm thinking, man, this, this might be a chance. There might be a chance here. And, of course, you know, y'all know how it went down. But God Almighty, to, y'all have probably seen the Hell Mary moment or the buzzer beater. Y'all seen that because y'all are in sports so much in college, high school, NFL.

You've probably been part of those moments, right? That was my first, like, real, like, buzzer beater. like prayer, one in a million. Yeah. You know, and then for us to go on and do what we did the rest of the year, right? Because that was kind of early in the season. But I mean, it's just incredible. But especially against like Caleb Williams, who was the first overall pick.

There's obviously that like, already started rivalry. Swift busted this big long run off in the second, in the third quarter. And I was like, here we go. Fucking falling apart. Yeah. Our defense had held them up for so long. And now it's like they found the holes. They found the kryptonite.

They're going to, damn, just destroy us. They're going to win the game We got it That is so awesome That was a fun season last year I hope this year's good I hope so too You worry about the sophomore slump

That's always a worry Yeah That's always a little bit of a deal We've done some good things They'll get better through the draft We only got five picks So I don't know what that means And I keep hearing

Washington just picked up somebody For agency right The left tackle from the Texans That's right That's right Tonsil Yeah. He's good, too. Yeah.

He's got good footwork. Good. Yeah. Good footwork. What's that? Good lungs. Good lungs. Strong ones.

The strongest lungs is the game, actually. But they gave him. They're going to break him off. I don't know if he signed a new contract yet, but they, they, they, Houston got a whole bunch of picks. Yeah. They're going to have to pay him. Yeah. Big time.

Oh. Well, they got to pay Jaden two a couple years. The good thing is they have Jaden on the rookie deal. Yeah. They can just skid other ones around and see if they can win more. At least two more years. Two more years, yeah. Yeah.

It's funny to watch them work, man. The free agency, you know, besides the left tackle from Texas, the players that they bring in, you're like, hmm, don't, I've never heard of this guy. Who's this guy? What's his story? And their story's really not like, he's dominated. You know, it's kind of like, well, he's a journeyman, dependable, he'll get in there, he'll do the job, you know.

And that's what they did last year. They had these one-year deals. I don't know shit about this like you guys But he you know I'm watching I'm like it's it's it's strange because everybody's everybody's now signing like one year deals on these you know these you know these veterans that are in like the 70 60 70% mark of their career They're kind of they got a little left in tank but I mean how is is that the way it's always been? Because it feels like I remember it felt like for years when free agency came everybody signed like three four five six seven years deals. And now everyone is doing these like one year, two year, little rinky dink. You'll play here

this year, maybe not next year. The journeyman, I think, has become more and more casual now than ever. This free agency has been very unique in the sense that the market keeps getting higher and higher just in these, like this pocket of this couple of weeks. Like Max Crosby was the number one, you know, highest non-paid quarterback of all time. And then a day later, Miles Garrett, then a day then like, you know, now he's like the fifth highest paid. So it's really interesting to see these like markets, like these cap setting contracts happening. But a lot of times like you get through the first wave at that free agency, which is like your

top guys who are able to get away from their teams, you're going to pick up. And then you get like a lot of the guys that have like, you know, they're signing usually the one, the two year deals. It's like, is he going to work out? We know he's got talent. Can you really get it done? So. I think, too, there's not as much of a market because the structure when the new CBA

and everything else, when. the minimums went up for rookies. It kind of squeezed that middle class a little bit more because the rookies, they'd be on cheaper deals. So you would see more three, four, five year deals of like middle tier guys. But over time, it's like the floor has raised for the rookie deals. And it's like, we're going to have this rookie for three or four years. You don't necessarily pay the middle class as much.

You can kind of put all your eggs into the guys that you want here long term. And guys will take those one or two year deals because they're essentially trying to be on prove it deals. to where they haven't seen the guarantees that they would like in a full contract because if you're a good player and somebody's offering you, let's just say you know, three years, $30 million,

but only, you know, five to 10 guaranteed or something like that. Then that player probably thinks in his head, I will just do a one-year deal, get a guaranteed contract as much as I can, and then hopefully try and hit a lick the next time around. But the middle class is kind of getting squeezed out because you'll just sign guys on one-year minimums

or one-year for lower money, but you don't see those like middle-two, your contracts being laid out as much more. And Will just structured out with a three-year $30 million, $10 million guarantee. Like that's a three-year deal, but really it's a one-year deal. Right. Like that's a proof-it deal. Yeah.

Or it was of the past because of this whole, we'll just have, the middle class getting squeezed. Because really all you have is your guarantee. A lot of these guys want to look at the total contract number. Like these guys are making whatever, $200 million contracts. Oh, it's awesome. But then it's like, well, you only got this much guaranteed, though. The guarantee is what is the most important thing. Yeah.

Not how big the number is because they could walk away from you or they could back to the contract and all these different things. So there's a lot of like shenanigans and like savvy things that take place during the free agency market. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating to watch. And we'll see how it plays out for my team. Is there any like free agency type stuff in NASCAR or you're pretty just built in? We're going to pay the X, Y, and Z a year. Yeah, it's pretty.

Bonuses based on if you win. Yeah. It's, they're not really a free agency now. there's some drivers that will become available where their contract comes up and they probably know they want to move to a different team and they probably or they're getting calls from like there's no tampering rules or anything so like an owner can call a guy and say hey how many more years you got on your deal or would you can you leave your deal can I buy it out can would you want to come to my team I want you as my driver what do we got to do and so you may be able to pay that team money to get him out of his contract early um does that happen very much? much? It has happened in the past. It's not a very common thing. But, I mean, there's no real rules to our, we don't have a free agency period or anything like that. Have you ever poached somebody or gotten somebody? I've not. You know, my team, my team's kind of like taking these rookies and these up-and-comers and we've got more, we got more people. That's true. I guess you're

yeah. We've got more people kind of coming to us than we have seats to have very, you know, people. But in the top tier cup level, it's probably a lot more cutthroat and, a little more competitive trying to. How many times when you were a driver did you get called from other ownership? Once in my career. So like I was, my deal at DEI and my dad's company was ending and I had two or three teams come to court me or, you know, pitch me in their deal. And I knew I wasn't going to stay where I was at. So I was all the years and went and met with everybody in each team and kind of took the one deal that I liked.

but that happened once and I was happy to, I was happy where I ended up and wanted to stay there until I retired and I was lucky enough to do that. That's awesome. I know we're wrapping up, but like in football, when you're playing or any sport in general, like there's things you hate doing, but then when you leave the sport,

you're like, man, I miss that. Practice. Like with, like, that's what you miss? Practice. Yeah. I hated practice because practice was, a lot of times like testing, was testing and practice are very,

similar. In testing, you go to a racetrack in the middle of the week, way before, weeks before you're going to race there. And you're by yourself usually. There might be another team there, but usually you're by yourself. And you're out there running alone. And it's you and your team. You go out, run, five, ten laps, come in, make a change. And it's very monotonous and boring. And you're just running and running. You almost get bored of telling them the feedback. Okay, yeah, that made it a little better. I didn't feel anything. We're just doing nothing here. I'm just spinning my wheels. And, but the team's got a process. and they got a plan for those two days you're testing,

and they are going to get through that plan and learn everything they want to learn and then go home. You don't realize that as a driver. You're just bored to death, running by yourself. When you practice on the race weekends, everyone else is out there, but it's the same thing. You're practicing, changing things, your team's learning. It's not a race.

There's no checker flag. There's no winner, loser. You're just making laps, and it's like an hour or whatever. And I hated it. I thought it was boring, and I hated to get ready and go do it. and it was getting in the way of whatever I wanted to do.

But I wanted to race. The race was fun. I was excited about the race, but the practice was just kind of boring. But right in the last year, I was sitting in my car, and I think I was at Kansas Motor Speedway, and we're in the middle of practice,

and I sat there and it just dawned on me. I was like, there'll be a day in a very short period of time where I won't ever practice again. And I was like, and I was watching my guys, they were meandering around the car, changing little things, jacking the car up, going to adjust this, going to adjust that. And they're just moving around.

And I got to watching them. I'm in my garage stall. Every other car is in their garage stall. People are pulling in and out, going to running laps, and it's busy. And I was just sitting in there. I was like, yeah, I'm going to miss this part. I hated this part, and I should have appreciated it more.

But I'm going to miss, I'm going to miss watching my guys that I love. I love these guys. They're my guys. I'm going to miss watching them work. I'm going to miss coming in here and taking this car to them and saying, hey, can you fix it? I got, this doesn't work right

or this doesn't turn good or it doesn't steer right. And they're going to try to fix it. I'm going to miss trying to fix that puzzle with them and work on it. And, you know, I think, I knew I was going to miss driving in the race. I knew I was going to miss the competition, right?

But it was the prep work that I thought I hated that I ended up missing as well. beautifully said yeah thank you yeah do you ever remember those times like I can remember a few situations where you're kind of sitting there and you're kind of taking it in just being like as much as this shit sucks

because practice did like training camp you know there'd just be them days where you're just in the middle of the season or whatever but you're just sitting there taking in the breeze taking in the scene the heat if it's training camp here it's like one day we're not even going to be able to do this anymore yeah I think it was always like during camp like you like you were getting those beautiful situations where you got a small group of boys

and everyone just fed up and everyone just wants to vent and talk shit about how this is just bullshit all this we're doing sucks yeah and like you let everybody vent and you're sitting there whether it's like we're all sitting in the cold tubs after like die like a couple guys were cramping in the corner and he's just like this is such a hot day and we got to do it again tomorrow everyone's just complaining but then eventually that conversation would turn to someone would bring it up you're like it's crazy this is this is not gonna last forever and that's like a moment you have you're like holy shit like yeah this is kind of these are these is the good old days right now you're in it just

sucking is the good old days because it is the stuff like practice sucks like camp August I wake up now in August and I smile to myself knowing that there's about 2,000 guys out there's dying yeah and I'm just in this cozy bed right now oh this is I'm like a little hand my kids for a minute before I go to work like yeah something like that that's kind of nice but then there's like a piece it's like man it would be nice to have like 50 three guys that are just like embracing the suck together. Everyone's handling a little different way, but we're all feeling the same thing, which is, this is really hard and we're doing it together.

Yeah. That's the beautiful part about it. Yeah, I agree. Dale, this has been awesome. Yeah, it's fun. Thank you so much, man. We had a little marathon here, man. Yeah.

Yeah, how long was this episode? Yeah, good work. Well, what's the average these days for you guys? We said well about it. Usually 70 minutes of solid. Like 90 minutes, I feel like it is our average. That's good. All right.

Maybe on a high end. I'll take it as a, I'll call it a success. So much fun. Thank you for the gifts. Yeah. I hope everybody enjoyed big hugs, tiny kisses. Don't forget to subscribe. Congratulations to Bustin, man.

And the success, the new partnerships with Butler Light. Fan duel. Hey, I'm on Team Anheuser-Busch. We worked with Fan Duel over at Dirtymo Media. Let's go. Some more, we need some more bust with the boys' Dirty Mo. I need an Xavier win tonight. I know that.

Yeah, that's going to get my parlay hit. Who do you got win in the national championship? Michigan? You, March Madness? Yeah. Have you done a bracket yet?

No, I haven't. I'm a Tar Hill fan, and I know they're in a bad way, but they just, they played last night, yeah? They beat the shit out of them. They did. That's one,

they were one leg of my parlay. It was Alabama State, Carolina, tonight. You know, Fando, you can put futures bets together as a parlay. Yeah. Yeah. Really? I got myself a spicy one plus one, uh, 813, plus 813 if you want. I hate staring at that damn thing. I did that with, um, Caitlin Clark's average points for a rookie year. And I'm like, golly, every time I log in, I'm like, it's staring, it's staring me right in the face because it's not over, you know, you got to wait months for this thing to finish out. And I'm like, so I like, I'm wanting to

quick, like, yeah. But the futures parlay with, um, with Fando and obviously this is, is this is actually while March Madness is still going on. But you can parlay futures of like teams getting to Sweet 16. Oh, yeah. The round of 33 final four. Yeah. You can parlay together. And I got a plus 3,000 if you are interested.

3,000. I saw that. 3,300, something like that. You saw you beeped? No, I saw it on social media. I know what you're doing. You like it. I know what you're doing.

I did, I got on a parlay that you had during the NFL season. And it was a rough one. I don't even want to admit what we bet. No amount of money. I had one unit, but like the teams we were betting on, it was a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know, yeah, because we were texting about it.

Yeah. The fall, you'll see more of those parlayes as well. Yes. The playoff with the parlay. Yeah, like, damn, dude. Will and I got to this point late in the season last year it was like, the higher the plus odds, the better the parlay was. Yes, yeah.

Nine legs plus 10,000. Right. That's ridiculous. But if it hits... That's no way to live. You're going to be pissed since you're going to live. You bought an iPad showing your college football 25 breakdowns of everything. Yeah.

We can put together some spicy parley. Like my spicy parley, and I might get clown for this, but like I'll go in. It was right before March Madness. And you can do this now with the ones versus the 16s, but I like stack all the ones, you know, the ones to beat the 16s. So I'll build like a plus 200. with like nine, nine, uh,

legs. See, that's a crazy way to live in, in my opinion. But those are almost automatic. But you're getting, you're getting to plus 200 odds with a nine leg parlay. And they all should win.

I am, I would say in the past month, I am probably 18 and two with seven or more legs in my parleyes. And basketball alone. Hey, I was going to say. I'll have to call Dale. I'll show you. I'll open up, I'll open up my, my, where's the iPad for that one?

I'll open it up. I'll show it to you. If you took half the effort as you do it that game, as you'd be a billionaire. Yeah. You got to get careful because, I mean, you got to do like 400, 450 to 500 odds on seven or nine parlayes to get to like plus 100, 200, 200, or something like that. But it's, you know, it's going to usually pay out. Yeah. That's probably not a popular way to do.

it. Now, you just said 18 and 2 the way you did it and I'm trying to criticize like I'm 2 and 18. Well, you're betting. I'll just 8 straight picks. You're at plus 10,000 odds. Oh, buddy. I've won't a few games. That's kind of number. That's kind of number. Mets.

No, parleses. I'm like, I said, I'm betting straight up. Yeah, parleyes. I'm we do a thing on our gambling show. I want to join. I want to tell some of your bets, man, but you're going to clean it up a little bit. Come on. We will.

We'll get dialed in for football season. Let's go. I'll even run them by you. Let's go. Yeah. I'll put, hey, I'll, you know, I'll tell you best. I ain't care. I ain't scared.

There you go. Yeah. Appreciate you, appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you, you, man. It's fun. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

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