Bussin' With The Boys - Darius Rucker (ft. Glenny Balls) + Weekend Recap

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

Recorded: November 15, 2021 | Victory Monday (again), Darius Rucker, and Glenny Balls all at the same time... come on it really doesn't get much better than this. Balls gets things started with telling the boys the hilarious story of how he got hired at barstool as an intern, and what the first interview with Caleb was like. (6:55 - 12:50) Before Comp and Balls dive into the Darius Rucker interview, Comp recaps the weekend and does a little house cleaning as well. (13:00 - 29:39) Next, Darius Rucker makes his Bussin With The Boys debut. In this interview Rucker talks about: - Hootie and the Blowfish's first big break on the David Letterman Show (33:30 - 37:00) - meeting Kiss & Tupac (37:25) - why the band split up (46:30) - breaking into the country music industry as a black man (47:45) - SEC vs Big 10 argument (1:00:00) - why he recorded Wagon Wheel (1:18:10) - friendship with Tiger Woods (1:23:30) This pod is full of all kinds of stories, arguing, laughing, so make sure you pay attention because you don't want to miss a second of it. ----- EARN YOUR WOLF: Want to be featured on our Instagram Story? Screenshot this episode, tag @bussinwtb, and share it to your Story. The Boys will take care of the rest... ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Betterhelp: Go to https://barstool.link/BetterhelpBussin for 10% off your first month. Cross Country Mortgage: Go to https://barstool.link/crosscountrymortgageBSS so CrossCountry Mortgage can take care of you through the home buying process. CrossCountry Mortgage LLC. NMLS 3029 All loans subject to underwriting approval. www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org Rhoback: Go to https://barstool.link/bussin and use the code “BUSSIN” for 20% off your first order! Roman: Go to https://barstool.link/RomanBWTB you can get your first month of Swipes for just $5, when you choose a monthly plan. Georgia Boots: Head over to https://barstool.link/GeorgiaBoot and use code BUSSIN for 20% offFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

We don't care where you hear it. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely.

A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They hit a bogo. Well, then you got it.

Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was hungry. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come in to you, he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know,

it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, we roll in, we good? Welcome to another episode of Bustin with the Boys. I am your co-host, Wilcocton. My other co-host today, Taylor Lawan, Gleney Balls. Jay, just randomly start climbing, Taylor-L-Wan.

I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you guys. Glennie's in town. You're doing a Sunday conversation with Caleb. Yes, you have two. Who else was it?

You have Chase Rice on Wednesday. and then we did Darius today. Yeah. So Darius, as you guys obviously all known now. Rucker, you've ever heard of him. Yeah. Hooty. No.

What was his nickname in that band? So here's what happens. I've heard he doesn't like to be called Hootie. And he said he's not Hootie. He said that. And I'm not going to lie. I've been here all weekend because we have an interview. So why not come to Nashville?

So we have the interview. And everyone I talked to yesterday, they were like, oh, why are you here when I was out at the bars and shit? Like, oh, I'm doing an interview with Darius in the morning. and everyone's just like, don't call them hooty. Because, you know, I'm Nashville, everyone knows everybody. Like, everyone hears something. They're like, don't call me. That's what I told Caleb.

I was like, don't call him hooty. Why didn't you tell me that coming in? I forgot. It didn't cross my mind. We've been texting the whole time. It's okay. We survived. We survived and did not say hooty.

You're right. So, Darius, he had a Sunday conversation with the boys, Caleb and Glennie at 10 a.m. And then Darius came on over here at 11 a.m. So he had a full day getting the Barstle car wash, man. Yeah, I mean, he's been on the heat. He's been with us for two hours. Yeah, he went on the top two shows in Barcelona, wouldn't you say?

Obviously. Obviously. You were saying, he almost went on a pizza review. Who needs the pizza reviews when he got us, right? Right. Or the Chevy review that you're about the body bag. Oh, yeah, I'm good at this. I'm good at this.

So we're doing Chevy? Yeah, we're Chevy right now. I thought that was bad. I don't want to fuck up the ad. I'm sorry. Yeah, Chevy's our main primary. They're the big, though. They're our best friend.

Am I doing the full read? Yeah, you got the read, bro. What do I say? I thought you said you were good at this Yeah, but how do I start off? Football season is in full swing. Oh, bro, yeah. I thought maybe we'd be like,

I don't even have a car. I thought maybe be like, oh, my Chevy was awesome last night. Well, you saw what we unloaded out of my truck, my Chevy Silverado. We did unload some merch out of your Chevy Silverado, and it was fantastic. It was perfect.

The truck, the trunk shot right open. And, fellas, football season is in full swing. It's time for you to step up your tailgating game, the available multi-flex tailgate with six convenient configurations will give you a step on your tailgate game step up in your tailgate game, sorry about that. There's the primary tailgate which opens with a push of a button

on the key fob or from inside the truck. The inner gate folds to a large step for easily getting it out of the bed. There's an easy access configuration where the inner gate folds down, allowing you to reach farther into the bed. It can also be a desk or a surface area for your tailgating meal. Chevy Silverado, modern and advanced, with a ton of grit, a partner in getting things done. The Chevy Silverado is a strong and dependent.

as the people who drive them, and it's just a fantastic car, man. You did a great job. Growing up, I was always the guy that would raise my hand to reading class. No, you were. I swear to God,

I was. I always loved reading class. I loved it. It's kind of fucking weird. Were you guys about raising your hand and reading class? People did it. It was a show-off thing at that point.

Yeah, it's not like I was a bookworm. I just always enjoyed reading. You just enjoy reading or you wanted to show off? Like, I don't, I don't read books. I don't, I don't sit down and read books. I've read, like, three books in my life. You just like to be the kid that reads in class. Yeah, if we're reading a quick passage from the literature novel.

Yeah. A quick passage from the literature novel? A good prayer. Yeah, I went to a Catholic school. So we had, we had like morality class. Hey, same. Hey, awesome. In Catholic school up until fourth grade.

You know, I don't think they like it very much The Catholic High School They don't like the Bar still very much now You can't go back to your old school And kind of walk the halls, probably They look down on you No, I went, the first time I went back to school It was, I wasn't working at Barclay

I was just in college because that was the big thing Was Thanksgiving Eve, you go back to Kellenberg And then you roam around Kalenberg See all the teachers, give some hugs And then you head out and everyone goes to the bar That night, the local watering hole, per se Try to get with your crush from high school You know, all that jazz

And yeah, I have been back since. I did go back for the five-year reunion, which was pretty awkward. But it was fun. Why was it awkward? It's just weird seeing all your teachers and shit. And everyone I told about a five-year union, everyone says, looking at me like I have ten heads, in a five-year reunion.

I feel like it's got to be at least ten. That is true. I've never heard of a five-year reunion. Yeah, we had, if we have five, ten, 15, 20, 25. But I'll be going back. I'm a, I peaked in high school, bro. I love high school. Yeah?

Loved it. What do you mean you peaked? What makes you think you peaked? Like, athletically, you peaked? or definitely athletically. Were you in all the sports? No, dude. I tried out, I never played football.

I tried a football freshman year. Got cut first cuts. Because, like, I was always, I always had sick hands. Like, I do have pretty good hands, but I can't be a fucking tight end. I'm 5'8 and like 300 pounds. Yeah. So I tried out to be a lineman and there's never having played in line before. I got first cuts if it was tough.

But I did, I did play, uh, I did play, uh, I did play shot put. I was on the shot put team for the first year. I was on the shot put team. I remember the coach, first thing he said, said like when we got on the team because he wasn't even a teacher there he just came would come to just coach the shot put yeah and uh first thing he said was if you don't have a sense of humor you're not going to do well on this team so we would fucking bust joke around bust balls all the time whatever and i'm not a very serious person so sophomore year comes around try to go on the team again

i got cut sophomore year and the guy said i joked around too much and he called me for that so yeah i got cut from fucking shopput i got cut from shopput for being too funny not for being too just for trying to be too funny. I can't say I was too funny. How'd you get the name named Glennie Balls? So I don't really know. Me and my friends just came up with it randomly one day. And I think,

so I think it's a mix of Goodfellas and entourage, subconsciously being in my brain. Yeah. In Goodfellas, you know, the tracking scene of Goodfellas where they're going through the whole restaurant and showing everybody. They say one guy's named Sally Balls. And then in Entourage,

when Billy Walsh has his, when Billy Walsh starts a porn, he's a porn director, his porn directing nickname is Wally Ballie Ball. So I think just subconsciously through that, I thought of Glennie Balls. So you started, this is self-proclaimed. This is a self-proclaimed. Yeah, like I got like a horse racing account, like before I even got hired at work.

And like my username on there, I just made it Glennie Balls. It's just, that's a decent backscore. I mean, thank God. Thank God that I did because trust me. Like, if you look at my interview with Dave, I'm walking out, walking out of the interview. And, um... You got to tell the old story, though, because you told it to me yesterday about how that happened. Oh, yeah.

It's a, what a horrifying story. It's my heart beats every time I say it What with the context of going in the interview with Dave? Just how I got hired. So I got hired when it was like five years ago. It was late August 2016. Hey, let's put your head back on. Sorry.

I have I have shitty hair. I know. I'm not going to tell me. But I know. Jesus Christ. I mean, I'm no fucking Caleb. I know I got shitty hair. It's a kid show, man.

But so I got hired like five years ago. It was late August. I remember I was laying in bed one night. And Erica treats out that we need New York interns. They're moving to New York from Boston. him. So I instantly lay in my bed. I fucking reply quickly. And I'm emailing Erica. I was emailing Erica at Barcelona Sports. It really wasn't Erica. It was like our manager, our office manager Brett. Great guy. Shout up Brett. I haven't seen him in a while. And he was

one like doing like setting up the interviews. Obviously, I don't know why. He probably actually thought Erica was the one like emailing interns. But so I go in for an intern interview. This was September 16, 2016, got the interview. Thank God. And I have no idea. Once again, I still think I'm emailing Erica. So I think this is a full-blown business interview. like I wore like a button down shirt and you're looking good no you're ready to get the job I don't I don't dress fancy

not that you didn't look good but you're trying yeah I remember I did a one of the things I wrote to my resume was that I did like the blazing challenge at Buffalo Wild Wings so then they wrote back wear the blazing shirt with the bun and I wore a button down over that so I ready for the day

and this was when I actually turned to a school in the city so I was going to a business school in Manhattan on 23rd in Lexington Baruch and I had a miserable schedule out of Tuesday Thursday 7 a.m. Monday Wednesday, 7 a.m. But then the Monday,

Wednesday class would have like a 20 minute meetup on Fridays from 11 to 11, 20. And my whole life, my mom has been off on Friday. She doesn't work on Friday. So she would drive me to the city,

wait in the car, I'd go to the 20-minute thing, and we'd just get a nice, wonderful lunch in Manhattan somewhere, you know? Maybe a little cats as deli some mother's son time. So she drove me that day to college, to school or whatever,

then drove me to the office, lets me out. And I'm like, listen, drive away. Don't stay here. Drive away. So I go off. up there to the interview. It was so, so, so scary. Our new office, obviously, you've been to

new office, right? He's nice. You walk in as a lobby. The old office, you get off the elevator, you're just in the mix. You're just staring at people. Remember, I made eye contact with Fidelberg, and I freaked the fuck out, because that was a big Barstow fan. I had the Barstall flag, the sweatshirt. That was a big Barstall guy. It was fucking horrifying. You walk in, and then, speaking of mind, I forgot to mention. It's like a haunted house for your head. Dude, I forgot to mention, so I'm looking at Snapchat, the Barstall Snapchat, and I see Caleb interviewing people. This is on your way. Yeah, on my way there, I forgot to see that.

And I see Caleb interviewing people, like jokingly doing it for content. I had no idea. I still think this is a business interview. And then on the way there, I see that. And I'm like, holy shit. I'm so scared. I'm about to get God. So I'm fucking horrified.

I go up there. I sit down with Caleb and thank God. This great guy Matt, now I know now, he texted Caleb. Just the next guy you see asking if he's fast. So Caleb just randomly asked me if I'm fast. And I was like, dude, you know what? For my size, I am pretty fucking fast. Like, when I'm playing softball, people are shocked how quick I get down the line.

Like, for my size, I'm pretty, pretty fast. Okay, it was just goes to me, let's prove it. We go down to the street, 27th Street. And I'm, not only am I freaking out about, like, meeting Caleb, doing all that, like, what if my mom's still outside in the car? Elevator opens, we get outside. She didn't fucking move. She's right there.

Like, I'm like, please don't say it. Please don't say anything. Please don't say anything. Like, in the video, me running down the street, you can see my mom's car. It's right there. And I'm sitting there, holy fuck. Thank God I ran down the street and Kay was like, you're fast, you're hired. And then I'm like, okay, sounds good.

But he says, you got to go talk to Dave. He brings us into Dave. I talked to Dave, which was obviously horrifying. Like, he's very intimidating. I've known for five years. He's a wonderful guy, is one of my favorite people. I'm still fucking petrified of him. Yeah.

But, uh, and thank God we did that. He said, Caleb was your boss? You're hired. And then also, thank God to no end. as I'm walking out, guys just goes, do you have any nicknames? And I was like, oh, my friends call me Glennie Balls. And thank God. Thank God that stuck.

Let me tell you. I don't know what the fuck I'd be. I didn't even have a major. I was a junior in college. I didn't have a major because I transferred and I was so bad in math. Yeah. I had to take remedial math. They didn't even take a class to then get a major.

So it was bad. So it all worked out. Thank God. I truly don't know what I'd be doing. The story should be called, thank God. Like, I have 10, me and my friends are in like a 10-person group chat. They're all accountants. I'm not cut out to be in account.

I don't know what the fuck I'd be doing. So is Caleb still your boss? I guess in a way. theoretically, I mean, during football season, we do something conversation. I'm just on the road with him all the time. So I guess theoretically, he's the boss. What's it been,

what's it like? Like, you know, you were nervous around them, meeting him for the interviews and stuff like that. Like, how's your mental on him, an idea of him shifted since working with him? Oh, he's a great guy, but he's, me and him have very separate lives on the road, you know? Yeah.

Like, he likes to hang out. He likes to golf. and I like to full systems go. But I mean, he's wonderful. You go out on your own. Yeah, that's one thing. The Sunday conversation has called me. I have learned to go out alone.

I've learned to just the right places, though. Like, I could go in, like, whenever we go to Miami, I stay in Delray Beach because I could go out in Delray Beach. I met people there. I met people here. I could go out here. Like, I can't go out alone in like Miami. You can't go to 11 alone.

Yeah. I did go to 11 alone, like a month ago. I went to 11 alone, and it was so intimidating. It was so scary. Thank God. Me and Caleb, no one. one of the, thank God.

I'm sorry, I'm saying thank God too much. I like Jesus, okay, I went to Catholic high school. And I know one of the director, the director of operations, he, like,

showed me around. That was okay, at least. I basically shadowed him for the night, which was pretty cool. But that's a place you can't go alone.

I can't go to a club alone. I can do a bar. A little hockey-tonk feel. Yeah. Like, whenever I'm in Scottsdale, a little rusty spur saloon. It's like the size of this bus. Yeah.

There I can go out alone. But Miami, that's not a place. And Caleb likes to be in his hotel room. He likes to chill, golf. Yeah. You just have such a golf while he does golf. You think he's going to be a pro? Yeah.

I think so, too. I do. We, uh, this is a, this is obviously an intro right now. I gotta get, yeah. Um, you know, let's get onto the good stuff, dude. The Titans are fucking 8 and 2. Victory Monday right now. It's Victory Wednesday as you guys are listening.

Uh, thank God their kicker sucks, man. I mean, it's like they brought the, kid from Nebraska up to out to New Orleans. And you just shanked two extra points? Like at what point, like, you're, you're, sometimes I do feel bad for the kickers. I really do. I'm like, man, I bet there's a lot that they got, that's going on in their nagging. Like, they do have some stressful, stressful times.

But that's if you're missing like 40, 50 yarders and game winners type shit. You're missing extra points. Like, if you're Sean Payton, is it out of the question when the kicker runs off to the sideline? Like, number one, nobody should dab you up. Like everybody daffs up and still head butts. Hey, my bad man. Like, yeah, everybody's tight.

Like, bro, make the fucking kick. And if you're a champagne and he rums over, like, is he, could he potentially just look at the kicker and point out him and say, hey, fuck you? And that'd be okay. He definitely could. I don't know if he would be okay, but he could definitely do that. I would be so, I was almost pissed for the Saints. Like, no, I'm stoked at the boys one, but I'm sitting there watching this two

Miss Field goals. I'm like, how are you missing your extra point? I don't even know if I could be a kicker solely based off the awkwardness. If you said you could be down with a kicker right now, I don't know if I'd do it. That must be such an awkward feeling and go back on the bus and you're the one who missed the kicks and shit. Bro, no doubt. Because they lose, they lose 2321. My man misses two extra points.

They're having to go for two. They're, you know, wouldn't happen. The boys would have adjusted, but based on this score, they're winning the game if they make their kicks. The misses weren't even in like high pressure situations. It was like, hey, man, just squat there and hit the kick. It's routine. Classic New Orleans, Nebraska case right here. You're losing because you can't special teams.

Washington football team beats the Bucks. You said, what about Brady? Is Tom Brady? Is father time catching up to Tom Brady? Hold the phone. You're big time Brady yet. No, I was at the Titans game yesterday. I had a few beverages.

I didn't even look at the scores. The football team beat the Bucks yesterday. Glennie balls with us on Wednesday, just finding out that the Washington football team beats the Bucks 29 and 19. The football team beat the Bucs? Hail to the boys, bro. Yeah, they beat the bucks. Heineke is arguably a better quarterback than Tom Brady.

What the fuck? I feel shocked right now. Yeah, at post-game, you know Brady, I saw PFT tweet, like, passing the torch, and it's Tom Brady and Heineke, like, hugging. That is wild, though. Like, I don't know. I feel like you can't panic. Like, this stuff happens with any Tom Brady team.

Everybody always talks about, is he washed? Is he this? Is he that? I don't know. scared to say anything because you know he's going to go off. You know he's going to get hot late in the year. They put the Giants next week, too, and that's... Oh, yay.

They're going to go, I think... They're going to go Old Testament on the Giants. I would venture to make a responsible wager on the Postal Sportsbook. Yeah, there you go. There you go. On the type of Buccaneers, because that's going to be a beat down. I mean, we suck. We're really bad.

We're coming off a bi-week, though, you know? Who? I'm a giant. I'm a giant's man. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that dude. That is tough. No, by the way, can I just say. I know we talked about it with Darius. I think it's crazy that he thinks that a Super Bowl at six years old counts.

I had a Super Bowl with the Giants. I was 15, so I guess that's different. But six years old, that just not. I will say, just because there's Darius Rucker, I was trying to stay a little more reserved. But I thought the same thing. Like, I don't count my, I don't count those Super Bowls with the Cowboys when I was young. I mentioned you quite like, once again, I literally love.

He's about one of my favorite people on the planet after the two hours we just spent with him. But he just said he started being in a Dolan, he was five, and then they won Super Bowl next two years. That's it. Those are two Super Bowls. Like what? Don't you want to see one now? Yeah, what a bandwagon?

Yeah, I was going to call a bandwagon fan. I was like, I can't call that. But obviously he's riding with him now, so that's the good thing. No, I've like seen him tweet about the Dolphins like nonstop. He's a huge Dolphins fan. Yeah. And they. But yeah, his pre-10.

Let me tell you what a time. When he's zero to 10, like he can't, you can't necessarily. What a time to get involved. Your first full season is the undefeated season. What a time to get involved with the dolphins, dude. And then the Raiders, bro. The Raiders. Yeah, that was a tough loss.

That was a tough loss to the Chiefs. I'm not really sure what to say about the loss either. Like, I don't know if it's the Chiefs or, it always sucks because I know, like, following some Raiders fans, they're getting so, they get so pissed off because it seems like this is the point of the year when it happens or something starts to go Haywire and they crumble a little bit. That is a good point. I will say the Chiefs have been winning games and Mahomes have been playing better. Did you see Mahomes the way he dapped up Jackson a couple weeks ago? Oh, he shunned him. He shunned him.

Jackson would even make eye contact. Yeah, can we make a big deal about it and not actually be a real deal? Yes, but also, we can read between the lines and Jackson seems like he wears his heart on his sleeve. Jackson's got to retire. Yeah. He's got to no longer be alive. It's easy. What game was that, too?

What game were they at? They still barely won that game. That was against the Giants Monday football. Yeah, they didn't. We put up a fight. Yeah, you guys didn't put a fight. But yeah, he deaths up Jackson. But, like, that's, we were talking about a couple of football.

couple weeks ago, but like, look at my man in those TikTok videos that are being made. That video makes me sad. I don't even want to look at it. Yeah. Like, clearly there's a conversation that happened. Okay, we can't, we can't say that's facts. But in our universe, we can kind of say that's, it's pretty clear that a conversation happened.

Because he daps them up and you don't see any of the TikTok videos anymore, which I think is the right move. That video right there with them at the bar, that's a man that needs a vacation away. He needs a solo vacation. He's like, give me out of this fucking life, dude. That's not that video Speaking of Get Out, like that's a It's like a get out video right there

He's just sitting there He's just saying Send help Yeah, send help Nebraska had a buy week Best three win two by week Seven lost team in the country I saw somebody tweet that

And I agree wholeheartedly with that It'll be interesting to see how they play out They play at Wisconsin next week They're number 19 So I'm sure they'll give them a run for their money And squander at the end of the game They won't squander it the refs will fucking squander late in the game

because I'm still pissed about that P.I. call that they didn't call on Ohio State a couple weeks ago. Michigan beat Penn State 21-17. I don't really know what to make of that because it's kind of like Penn State, they had hype at the beginning of the year. Who I really want to talk about is Iowa. Iowa went from number two in the country.

And now they're like a 20, now they're like in the 20s or some shit like that. I do hope we win that game, but as I said last week's episode, I'm a little cynical. You kind of hope that Nebraska It carries this torch of the best three-win team in the country for the rest of the year. Scott Frost is already coming back.

It's already known. So what are we fighting for now? I don't even know. It's tough. It's confirmed, yeah, because he got, Scott, he fired four offensive coaches. And he's coming back. I think they restructured his deal. I'm sure the buyout is now smaller to where if he has another bad year.

Next year, he's probably, next year he's going to have to win. He's going to have to put up. I was at 18 now after their win last week against, I don't even, who, who? Who did they play? Who was it, Minnesota? I have no idea. But, dude, how about Wake Forest at 13?

They got a big win this week. Fuck Wake Forest, dude. ACC? They're the best team in the ACC right now. How much does that say? Nothing, honestly. The ACC should be the AAC this year. But still, it's crazy.

Fucking 13th. I know. Wisconsin does surprise some people. Who did they play at well? Was it Minnesota? Barely beat Minnesota. Like Minnesota's not a good football team. Didn't they beat Nebraska?

All right, Jack. just coming in like I'm trying to like clearly I'm smiling up you're making a little joke and you got to fucking come in there with that negative energy but back on Iowa Iowa's got to be cursed from when was it they'd be Penn State and they were ranked higher than Penn State and then rush their own field that's a curse rush their own field this podcast is sponsored by better help online therapy life is full stressors stressors it doesn't matter who you are what you have what you're doing what you have going on your life is probably stressful just like everybody else's.

I know for myself, being involved, being in this little wheel of what's coming next for me, the unknown, there's a little bit of fear and anxiety that creeps in at times. And you may not be feeling down and out or depressed or anything like that or like you're at a total loss. But if your stress is high, your temper is shorter than usual, or even if you're starting to feel strain in any of your relationships, you could probably use the chance to unload. Unload the stress and get it out. Talk to someone who's completely unbiased about your life.

someone who isn't going to judge you or take sides on anything. When there are things you can't tell anyone or feel like you can unload to family and friends, you need to unload it somewhere somehow, and that's where therapy can be very helpful for you. Better help is customize online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat sessions with your therapist. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to or you don't feel comfortable doing that. It's much more affordable than in-person. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy, and you can start communicating with your therapist in under 48 hours.

Unload the stressors and get some unbiased feedback. You'd be pretty surprised at what you might gain from it. And also see if it's for you. There's a good quote. I always like to lean on. It's hard to read the directions when you're inside the box. And that's what a therapist helps you do. They help you zoom out a little bit and see the bigger picture on everything.

This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. And our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com slash busin. that's B-E-T-T-E-R-H-E-L-P-P-com slash Bussin. What else do we have before we get into this Darius Rucker interview? Anything? Do you see Mike Vic came out and said in Madden in 2004 where he was like, undebatably the best player in the game? He used to never play as himself.

He used to play as like Peyton Manning and Pocket Passers. I can believe that. I can believe that, yeah. Oh, yeah, me included. Good for him. Honestly, respect him because those guys are the war. Were you playing Madden online to the randoms? You play with Michael Vick or Kyler.

Fuck you. Yeah. But back in the day when it was 04 Madden, it was, you had to play man up. You had to play like man up, two man or man up three deep and have somebody spy the quarterback. Yeah, I still don't know how to do it. You got to just pick this, play with the spies. That's also, could I say one quick thing?

You had to pick a D-Lyman too because you needed your backers and everybody else in coverage. One quick thing, you should have been allowed to play Madden. Why? You shouldn't be allowed to play, but why? Because football players should not be allowed to play Madden. It's literally not fair. My buddy, the reason I like Wake Forest, my buddy went to Wake Forest,

he was like a fifth string quarterback for four years, but he still, like, knows football. Like, playing him in Madden's, like, not fair because he gets to, he understands the defenses and shit. He knows how to actually do stuff. I don't know how to do stuff. Yeah, what do you mean? Where's the line?

So play on rookie mode. Play on rookie mode is real good about yourself. You just shouldn't be allowed to play. It's not fair. Like, you let know when to spy, went to Blitz. I'm like, what do? He's like calling out plays. Yeah, but some dudes, some dudes, like,

Like yourself, if you're really good at Madden, there's part of you that wants to play football players at first. So I'm assuming you've lost to some guys. I have. Because at first you're probably like, oh, you all show them, I'll show this football player that I can beat them at their kind of their own game. It's literally not fair.

They have an unfair advantage in the game. It shouldn't be alive. If you play football, no madden for you in my world. Damn. Well, that's, you know, we're just meeting each other now, so you won't have to worry about that.

But back when it was, back when it was a... You can play FIFA. That's a fun game. NHL is a fun game. I haven't got it in a FIFA in a long time, dude. FIFA is one. I'm not really into soccer, but FIFA will get you going.

I got to get this flex out there. I was a top 2.8% in the world in Mad one year. I forget what year it was. I want to say subtle clap, golf clap. I think it was 2016, 2015, 16, was one of those years. That's when I retired. Hung them up.

Hung up the cleats. Yeah, dude, Darius was a great interview. We'll get on to that so we can knock these ads out because I don't have a whole lot of, I don't have much time. I got to get to. to this, Kenny Bell and I are doing this golf thing for the Big Ten Network, and that should be a lot of fun.

But Darius Rucker was a phenomenal interview, I felt like. Yeah, I mean, that was scary. That was intimidating. I mean, you're sitting here with Darius Rucker, it's fucking Darius Rucker. Mr. Wagon Wheel. Mr. Wagon Wheel. I did my best not to talk about a whole lot. Exactly.

For me, for me, it's Mr. Hooty. Hoodie is like literally in my favorite band. I was very shook. It's scary. But you were told not to call him Hootie? I was dead sense to say, said don't call him Hootie. But, I mean, yeah, it was, that was a little. I don't get starstruck much.

That was definitely a starstruck one. I want to say it was just the energy, too. Like he's got the sports agency. Like he's got the negotiator vibe to him. You know what I mean? And then we went toes on the Nebraska, South Carolina. Everybody will get to listen. You said it was a sad of sports argument.

Like the people who listen to this to this pod, we got some Nebraska fans out there. They're going to be yelling at the radio. It was a great argument, but the context of the argument was bad as we're sitting here arguing Tennessee football, Nebraska football, South Carolina football and St. John's basketball. That's about the saddest four groups of colleges you can name right now. I'll tell you what, that we're proud.

We're proud, we put on for our squads. Anything I need to touch on that people might not know about Terrius Rucker. Oh, honestly, frigging the, I had no idea about that Frank Sinatra, the birthday party. That's... I should, listen, I... That's truly the peak. I need to get out in front of this now. I know who Freddie Mercury is.

Oh, of course. I got to get out of front of this now. It was, I was trying to think of the question I was asking him. Quistrians, though. I don't know what Equestrians was. I did not know what that was. I legitimately thought like it sounds like a video game. I know it wasn't a video game,

but I'm just saying that's what it sounded like. I did not know what equestrian championship was. Like that's how much Darius and I were arguing about South Carolina and Nebraska. They apparently are equestrian champions. And we're bowling champions in women's volleyball. Oh, yeah. Which, thank God, nobody fact check me on the best volleyball team in the country. We are top five all the time, though.

We're going to make T-Strees. You should make T-shirts. Why not? Yeah. Why not? With that, the boys team? No lady Oscars, yeah. Yeah.

Why not? What do they call them? They call them the black shorts. Do they really? Yeah, I think so. I think the one of the volleyball team is like the black shorts to the black shirts. No. It's been pretty good.

Yeah, that's off the top. Everybody listen, that's off the top. Still playing ball. Still playing ball. Yeah. Yeah, still playing ball. I'm dabbling with a lot more of the thought of just going all energy focusing on buss with the boys. and just calling it a day

because it's a weird vibe sitting in the middle, sitting in the gray area each and every week. Because I, to let everybody know to give everybody some perspective, I go at like a week at a time.

Like the weekend comes, I'm like, all right, Monday's coming the next week. That's usually when you get a call to go work out or do something. There's been a couple opportunities that popped up that ultimately

didn't end up working out. But Monday always comes up and I find myself kind of like, do I really want to go play? Do I really want to actually go play? Or do I like the idea more of playing? and then actually playing the game of ball now being like a 32-year-old and feeling it every day.

But yeah, right now, still playing ball. People were curious last week talking about since Ronan's ass dropped. If that meant I was going to play somewhere, it does not. It just meant the boys. We were grinding for season two, all of season two of bus off sessions was happening last week. So the shop was shut down for all that to happen. There was what, 10 or 11 artists that came through? Yeah, 10.

Yeah. And that's on YouTube, so everybody will be able to find that. Tailgate Sunday was all time. We moved it from the rooftop down to the second floor. I had a good showing. After our Spooktober Halloween showing, I was a little like, you know, what's it going to look like? We've been doing these tailgates all the time now, is it can start to get a little diluted. But there were.

There was a lot of people that was a good showing. Merch being sung around. It was a good vibe. And while the boys are making their playoff push and number one seed push, so at the end of the year, I expect that I get me to be pretty packed up as the boys fucking start to get ready for the month of December. We got another one next week, right? Yeah, another one this weekend. against Jacksonville.

Okay, Texans. Either one. Yeah, either one, bro. It doesn't matter, dude. Either one, bro. Tailgate next Sunday against the Texans, be there. We're going to be, again, slinging merch. We got some whistlepick drink specials.

Fire. The maple old-fashioned was my favorite. But yeah, dude, so without further ado, Darius Rucker episode, Darius Rucker episode, Lenny Balls, appreciate you being on. Thank you so much for having me. This is a great time. Darius, excited to have you all, man.

I'm a huge fan. Oh, thank you. Like, hey, legit. I know you get that a lot, but now that you're on Bustin with the boys, like, you know, you're on something pretty prestigious as well. I just want you to know as the host, I'm a huge fan, man. Oh, thank you, man. Thank you very much.

Did you have fun with Glennie balls in the Sunday conversation? Yeah, we did have a lot of fun. That was a lot of laughing going on to that room. Yeah, it was a good time. Watching, and I'm also, Glennie, I'm a fan of the Sunday conversation. I'm a fan of you as well. But you guys going into the Sunday conversation, do you know at all what Caleb's going to ask you? No, I had no idea.

And he's funny. I know. But have you watched them before? Oh, yeah, I watched all the time. That's a big thing. Like, there are a lot of times where people don't watch and they go in and they have absolutely no idea.

Like Pac-Man Jones wanted to fight Caleb. Really? Yeah. That was the one before the week of the fight. Yeah, we did it for Reverend Rowdy. He legit wanted to fight Caleb. He was scary. And some people just don't know.

Yeah. And sometimes Caleb doesn't... He has crazy questions. He does, but you would almost assume, like, if you're going to do a bar-stool segment, you would almost know what you're getting with somebody like Caleb. But the thing with Pac-Man too, yeah, exactly. And like Pac-Man, after we watched some of the interviews with them.

We watched Floyd Mayweather. We watched Walk a Clock of Flame. And he was like, oh, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. And then he's fine with it. But going in blind, he was mad. He had that dip in, too. He was scary. He was human.

He was ready to go. I thought the funniest question I've heard was Michael Irvin. What was it? He's like, journalists collect journals. What do analysts collect? Michael Lerner, he just started laughing his ass off. I was like, man, how does he think of that dumb shit? Honestly, my favorite thing he's ever asked was fucking to Waka flaka in one of the Waka's song

he says, I got a main bitch, a mistress, a couple girlfriends, I'm so hoodwitch. Yeah. He's like, you're out of it on yourself. And Waka was just like, can we go to the next question? Oh, that's hilarious. So, Darius, what's new with you, man? You've been in the game so long. I can't wait to dive in and peel back some layers, but what do you, you have a single?

masterpiece my masterpiece I got a record coming out sometime next year but I hope I get out before the tour but uh you know just trying to make music man trying to make music you still are you still super I mean you obviously are but what has changed for you because you're what 50 55 now like what has changed for you throughout all of these years of making music do you still feel the same burn or like maybe the flame burns a little bit differently uh it burns differently but it's still there you still want you know I I'm still trying to make albums and trying to, you know, just make music that people want to listen to. And it's still, all I've ever wanted to do since I was a kid was playing music.

Because that was like four, all I've ever wanted to do. And to be where I am right now and to still be able to do it on the stage I get to do it on is unbelievable. So I'm always burning the fire trying to do something. Yeah. Yeah, you're going on the intimate tour, right? Yeah. What made you want to do something like an intimate tour, like get back to doing something a little more grassroots style, something that brought you a lot of joy back in the day.

Yeah, yeah. We did, you know, Houdi went pretty much straight from the clubs to the arenas. And we didn't really get to play a lot of those theaters that are around town, those old theaters that are around town, like the Beacon and places like that, and the Orphium Theater. And we just didn't play them. And so we were out doing festivals and everything. It was great.

And I wanted to go out and do something just different in something small and something intimate. You don't have to worry, but ticket sales. Let's just go out and play some stuff. songs and have a good time. And so we decided to do like 12, 13 dates in the winter. And theaters we got, I was really excited about. So it worked out great. With, uh, when you were saying, like, you went from like clubs to arenas and stuff is you guys fast track pretty quickly. Like, essentially got to skip some of these things that you're going back and doing now is what was like the moment or like, what were certain situations that happened with hooty and the blowfish to

where you guys fast tracked all the way to selling out arenas? Uh, you know, we had been a band for like seven years playing clubs and a moment that had just changed. The moment that changed at all was when we did Letterman. Yeah. The night we did Letterman, that Friday, we couldn't get anybody to play our song outside of the Carolinas and Georgia. And we did Letterman and that Monday, everybody was adding it. It really changed our lives.

How did you guys get on Letterman? Oh, it's a great story. He was driving home one night after filming the show. And the guy at Z, not Z, that's in L.A., but the guy, I can't remember, it's a big rock station in New York, was one of those DJs that just said whatever he wanted. And so he heard Hold My Hand, he wanted to play it on the show. And Dave was driving home, and it's the only time the guy ever played the song at this point.

Dave was driving home, and the guy played Hold My Hand, and the legend goes that he pulled on the side of the road and called his booking agent and said, this is like a Tuesday, and said, I want, this is Houdie the Boefish Band. And we were on that Friday. Dog. That quick? Yeah. Dude.

Yeah. That is nuts, man. Yeah, it was crazy. What was it like receiving the phone call? Like, hey, you guys are going to Letterman. We thought our, I mean, we were such a letterman fan. I mean, that was a religion for us watching Dave. And I thought our manager was joking because we always mess with each other a lot.

We thought he was joking. He was like, no, Letterman wants you guys on Friday. And the messed up thing, we had our biggest show in our hometown that same night. and so we were like a little worried but our label stepped up and said we'll get you a plane so we got to do both we did Latterman got on a plane

landed in Columbia with a six car police escort to take us to the show we were like man wrong story dude as you just said oh my god though you know you're living in the dream then as you just started that story

I'm saying him ahead I'm like there's no way he played that show that night yeah that's crazy we did that's awesome what year was that 94 ain't nobody in sex back then yeah

spread the word with. No. You gotta get to a landline. Yeah. Hey, baby, we're going to let him. Dude, I honestly want to talk about vibes. Talk about immaculate vibes.

Imagine being on that plane. That plane. That's got to be a top five play right in all time. That was a pretty awesome ride for us. It was just us and I think one of our, two of our managers, one of our managers.

And it was surreal. We had just played Letterman, man. We had just. Betterman going to a hometown show. Truly. I know. I know. I know, man.

You just got to be right in cloud nine the whole way. Oh, absolutely. Being like, hey, boys, like, we might start taking off. And sure enough. That's what it was like, because, I mean, Grunge was king when this was happening.

You know, and here comes this little pop rock band from South Carolina, telling everybody to hold my hand. And so, it was really a fight for us to even, like there was even one guy at our label who right now, if you were talking to, we would claim that he signed us. I've heard of him, but

But if I'm that guy too You know I found them boys He actually went to our label of our He went to a label president And told him that if Atlantic put cracked review out They would be a laughing stock of music If he put it out

Yeah Fuck Yeah It's a fucking guy Crazy. It's so, it's just It's so interesting here And especially number one

Saying 94, I'm like five years old In 94 You know what I mean In 94 dude Yeah Yeah. And you're still like... I was old and drunk in 94.

Yeah. Were there moments, like with Hoody and the Blowfish? Obviously, there's a plethora of moments, but there's certain moments that beat that initial, like going to Letterman, taking off, that stand out to you? I'll tell you a moment that we'll never forget, we were at the Grammys,

and we figured we had to get best new artists. And when you're selling records, we were to have to give us best new artists, so we thought we'd get that. But you probably don't remember, but that song Waterfall by TLC was just massive that year. And so we thought it was going to win. There was up for six Grammys.

We thought it was going to win everything. And so you come up to best vocal performance by Duo and Group, and we know it's our, we just won the best new artists. And so we're on Cloud 9, we got a Grammy. You can never take that away from us, you know. And we sit down because we have to. We think, you know, Waterfall is going to win. And we sit there and kiss and make up for the first time since the 70s.

for the first time and Tupac Shakur walk out to give this award and so we're freaking out just because it's kissing Tupac I mean I mean Kiss is one of the reasons

I'm sitting here I mean it was like this is freaking Gene fucking son was in full makeup with Paul Stanley and Darius is running around his house

and he hung out all the time yeah you know you're freaking out and they walk out and they do the whole nomination and everything and Tupac opened the envelope and looked at the camera and said my boy's hooty and the blowfish

and when he said that that's a moment that will never I mean that was awesome and then you had to walk up there and accept it yeah we hugged everybody yeah hugging him tight too but he's trying to get away

he's like I appreciate you man that was an awesome moment man Georgia boot Georgia boot Glennie are you so excited about Georgia boot I love Georgia Boots

the world's most comfortable boot I'm gonna read a couple of these things and now I'm gonna need you to chime in wherever Alex highlights, that's where you start chiming in. Georgia Boot is America's hardest working boot. And for over 80 years, Georgia's been making boots that work as hard as you do. They now feel like, hey, we need to get the boys in some boots because Nashville, they're full of hardworking motherfuckers.

I won't say the F word, but hardworking motherfickers. Georgia Boot makes super good looking and super comfortable boots so comfortable, you never want to take them off. I mean, I like looking good even when I'm working and these boots do that. No one works with boots more than me. winter's coming around. You don't want those shitty boots. You know, sometimes you get a bad boot, has a hole in it.

That's it to me one too many times. You know when it doesn't happen? Georgia boots. They're very insulated as well, Gleney. These boots hold up in any condition without sacrificing comfort or style. Georgia Boot offers the best work boots, wedges and loggers around. And whether you need a waterproof boot, steel toe, soft toe, square toe, met guard, non-puncture shank, non-slip sole.

They've got it all, Glennie. And you can head over to Georgia Boot.com and use code bus. and that's B-U-S-S-I-N-Busin. For a generous 20% off. Utilize that code. Boy's Christmas is coming up in your old man or that hardworking motherfucker in your life will want that 20% off Georgia boot.

That really is wild. I'm thinking of like, remember your first show at the Garden? Was that quick after that? The Garden was probably a year, probably a year or so after that. I do remember our first show, because the first show we played two shows. And it was the first time you got on the stage of the garden.

It was religious. It really was. I mean, it's like the first time I played the Apollo. It was just religious. I mean, you can't believe you're getting to play these rooms that everybody plays. I mean, if you get, everybody who is somebody plays the garden. And, you know, if you're not playing the garden, your aunt's about it. Man, that is nuts, dude.

Oh, that's great. Like, you're literally a rock star at this moment. Yeah. With your band, too, like with your group of guys, because you guys are playing what? What I read, you guys were playing in a basement at some fraternity house or something like that? We played tons of fraternity house, man.

We were a band for seven years before we got a record deal. I mean, just playing every show. There was a couple of years. We played like 250 shows or something. And how'd you guys all know each other? Like, how'd you guys all? We met in college. Just in college, knew you guys could compliment each other.

Yeah, we were living on the same don't hall, me and I mark our guitar player. And it was one morning, I thought everybody was in class. And we had those prison showers. You know, just a bunch of shower heads. Right, right. And so I go in there, and I just think I'm an only person on the dorm hall, and so I'm singing Billy Joel's honesty.

And I'm singing it to the top of my lungs. I mean, I'm really belting it out. And, you know, you've got the great sound in that. It's acoustic in those locker rooms. We call them locker room showers, but yeah. Yeah, well, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

But then, and I walked out to go to my. room and Mark came up to me and said, was that you singing? I was like, yeah, that was me. And so I play guitar. It was like, okay, let's get together later and see if we know any of the same songs. And later that day we did and we knew a bunch of the same songs and we started playing together that day. And just imagine somebody comes in like, hey, boys, in seven years you guys are going to be on

a letterman, you guys are going to be on private jets. Yeah, singing naked in a shower, man. Exactly. Seven years is so, that's great. That's a long time. It's a long time. It's a long time. Honestly, though, let me ask you this.

For, let's say a month right now, if you could go back to those like first couple years just touring down in the south and whatnot, I feel like the more money and more problems, like that was probably the best time. People always ask me, I get this all the time. You miss when you guys were the biggest fan of the world.

No. I miss when we were, it was us against the world, playing the wind jammer tonight and Mad Monk tomorrow and you know, and then having to go up to Raleigh and play, you know, the brewery.

Those were the days, man. That's awesome. And what was that? Just like driving everywhere? Driving a band. That's awesome. That's the four of us and one another guy driving in a van. That really.

Why do you think that you miss those days? Because I feel the same way. Like sometimes I'm like, you know, people like, oh, do you miss, like, the best days of this and that? And you kind of go back and like, man, you know, I wish I was back to where you're, like, grinding through high school or, like, trying to find a way to get a scholarship. Or when you're in college, you're like, man, if I could just get on a practice squad or if I could just do this and you kind of putting these processes together. Why do you feel like you miss those days of traveling just with the boys?

Because obviously in those days, you're like, man, if we can just catch our break one day, we'll get it, we'll make it. Then you finally make it, and now you're actually perspective as you missing the old days more. And I think those days, the only thing that was really important was the band. It was the four of us making it. I mean, you know, I had girlfriends and everything, but, you know, they weren't important. And now, you know, once you make it and you start get success and you start getting married and having kids and everything, just priorities change.

and things aren't as important, you know, the music is important, but it's not as important because you've got, you know, kids and you get your wife and you got all that stuff. So it's become a different animal. But I remember how dedicated we were and how close we were. That's the thing I missed the most. We were so close. It was one of those things where we'd go on the road for two weeks.

You know, you come home, you drop everybody off, and then an hour later you're calling each other to meet up and go drinking that night. So I miss those days, but, you know, I'm not going to complain about these days. Oh, 100%. I'm just always intrigued and interested, like when people have those kinds of answers. Because obviously you think back on probably like characteristics

you guys all had individually that your band had with, you know, grit. Shout out Chevy. Grid determination, reliable. That's actually one of the things that always really gets me, makes me laugh is no matter what we do, the second of four of us get back together, we fall right into the same thing.

I mean, it's shocking to me how it's, the hierarchy and everything falls right back into what it was, and we'd go do what we do, and, you know, it's just what it is with the four of us. And like you said, like, you wouldn't trade your life. Like, we wouldn't trade in this stuff. But when you do fall into those folds of, like, getting the boys back together, you're just like, man,

like this is actually what we enjoyed the most. Like all that other stuff, it's not like it doesn't mean nothing, but you're like, you know, you put it on this pedestal. And then once you get there, like everything else, you're like, oh, man, this is the stuff we love the most about it. Yeah, I mean, For me, the shows were important and great. Don't get me wrong, that was, you know, getting to go play.

But, like, it was everything else with the four of us. I mean, just how funny everybody was, the music I got turned on to that I would have never heard, just riding around in the van, you know, just busting each other's balls and keeping each other in line. Griding through the hangovers. Having every, you know, all the naysayers, all the people telling us, you know, you can't make it out of South Carolina, all the people saying, you know, grunges is king, you guys are never going to get a record, who's going to, you know. all that stuff.

We fought all that stuff, and I look at it now, and, you know, doing all right. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. What, uh, when you guys separated, um, I don't know a whole lot about that. So maybe you can teach me or educate me on how you guys separated. Was it just because you were going to, people were going to do solos and stuff like that? Was there a little bit of a breakup? Was, uh, it wasn't really a breakup per se?

I'll be honest with this hadn't happened. I, you know, we'd be playing theaters this week. And I'd still be playing with, I'd be playing with who didn't. Loafish, but one of the guys in the band just came up one day. We were on tour. We toured every summer. It was like a job, was what we did. You know, and he came up one day and called a band meeting, which we never have band meetings.

That's a serious thing. So he goes to my boss and goes, we got a band meeting. And so we go in and he said he didn't want to be in a touring band anymore. And we are. Because of other aspirations or other things in his life. Okay, other things in his life. Other things in his life. And he just didn't want to do it anymore.

The four of us are a ban. We can't, we couldn't just go, okay, we'll just get somebody else to play. That's just not what we do. And so I remember when he said it, I just thought I guess I'm going to Nashville now because I've always talked about doing it, but there was never really any time to do it or think about it because we were always doing hooty stuff. And I just thought I'd come to Nashville and, you know, see what happens. How nervous were you?

I wasn't nervous because I didn't think anything was going to happen. All I really cared was, I wanted to make a lot of. country record. I would have been happy doing it in our studio in Charleston with my friends. You know, and my manager at the time, Doc McGee, who's just a legend in our business, I mentioned it to him, but I wasn't even looking for a record deal just because I didn't think I could get one. I mean, who's going to give the black pop singer from South Carolina of country music deal? Because back then, there wasn't anybody who looked at me on country radio. And he got me a record deal. And once I got the record deal, I started talking to Mike Dungan,

who's the president of Universal who signed me. And he really wanted this to work. And I knew if I gave him a record, it was going to work. And, you know, like he says, I gave him a record. Damn, what was it like being a black man going into the country world? Dude, it was, I did, I did, they didn't think I would do it. But I said I would do it. I did a radio tour.

I went to like 110 radio stations, like three or four a day. What do you do on these radio station tours? You go in and you play a song for them in their last. lounge or you play a song on the radio or you go in and you talk. If you're lucky, they'll put you on the radio and play your single. So you're not even guaranteed to go on the radio that day. No, I'm just going to all these radio stations like, let's hope they freaking put it on. That's the time.

That's a thing. Oh, yeah. And it was so, oh, I'm out there for a couple months, 110. And dude, I would go, there was, and there's three dudes, and I love these dudes. Like, right now, they're my biggest supporters. Like, if I need to get number one, they'll play it two times in a row accidentally. you know these guys are big supporters but uh and i respect them so much for this they said it the exact same way all three they said i don't think my audience this isn't it 15 years ago i don't think my

audience will accept a black country soon and they're like i'm gonna play it i'm gonna see you know i'll play it because i think it's a good song it's a country song and i you know but i don't think they're gonna you're they're gonna accept it and i was like wow yeah how are you reacting to hearing something like that. Like you're probably like, you know, you're probably surprised, but also at the same time you're like, of course. I get it. It's, yeah.

They're telling me this shit. You don't have to, when you really think about it, I thought you don't have to tell me. You could see it. You know, it had been 25 years since Charlie Pride had his last hit. In 25 years, nobody had a top 25. That was, you know, Trini Triggs and all those, you know, Risi Palmer and all these people, all these black countries things I knew of. I thought one guy would have slipped up and had a top 25.

Yeah. No one even had the top 25 since Charlie Pride. And that was crazy to me. You know, because I honestly, I know I have a lot of naivity to me and I don't see things sometimes because I didn't think about the black thing. I just wanted to make country music. Right.

And then people started talking about it. And then I start researching and you realize, wow, it's really been 25 years. And the only person who did it before me was drunk. You know, that's crazy. So how's your mental shifting? like when this stuff's happening or when it starts getting played on the radio.

You're getting good feedback. I'm getting good feedback. You know, I think that the hooty thing as much as it hurt me, it hurt me, helped me because people knew me and my reputation and still, they were giving it a shot and started working and working.

And then when, don't think I think, when my first single, don't think I don't think about it, went to number one was when you could see there was something different. And then the second song went to number one and then the third song went to number one.

And that's when I think other labels were like, we were wrong. They are accepted. That's when, you know, King gets his deal and Jimmy gets his deal and, you know, things start to change the little. Yeah, because the only real thing I know in like the history of music and bands breaking up and a solo guy going to do his own thing.

Who's the lead guy? I sound ridiculous right now. The lead guy with Queen. Oh, Freddie Mercury. Yeah, Freddie Mercury. Sorry. I know. Terrible right now. He's got a podcast and he said, who's the lead guy? Trust me. When it's going to my head and I'm like, I want to ask him this question.

weed guy like sex pistols. Listen, I'm being vulnerable in front of you guys right now. But anyway, watching the movie Bohemian Rhapsody and kind of learning about the history of Queen, when he breaks off and Freddie does his own thing, he obviously doesn't have as much success as he did when the band was together. You're now, you basically essentially made another career going off doing your thing solo. So did you ever, were you ever nervous about going on your own from that nature? Because you're like, yeah, I got, I had some success from Hootie and the Blowfish, but so did

Freddie with Queen. But it didn't pay off for him. and it's paying out for you, and you're a black dude in country music bringing this stuff in a country world. Yeah. Once I really started, I was really nervous because you,

like you said, who leaves a band that had that much success and actually has success and not just that in a whole different genre? Oh, yeah, man. You know, and especially going, you know, the, we call them carpetbaggers in country music,

you know, those pop stars, like you saw a flesh of it after I made it, like these big, pop names saying they're going to make their country record, you know, and country fans see through that. The hard part is not real. And it's been one of those things where I was worried about it, but I really knew win or lose,

I was going to get to make my record. And I had the label behind me, so I figured I had a good chance of winning if I delivered the music. Yeah. In today's world, we're like, we accept that artists are more diverse in their musical taste where they can kind of cross genre and everything do you think that if you came up with hooty and the blowfish now you

could have also done the country thing at the same time or do you think you still would have had to kind of like graduate from that chapter oh i think if hooty came out right now we'd have to be a country band we would have to be i mean there's there's no room for rock and roll in pop world at all i don't even know a band right now i don't i don't even know a band right man skin and the only main skin or whatever is the only way doesn't know them because I saw the stones the other day and they opened up with the stones

The only band I could really name off the top of my head that's like still playing that's on the column up is that Greta van Vleepand Yeah they're just They just sounds like like that's Yeah

It's crazy They're good But like I really don't know any bands It's really not a thing It's crazy to me to look at the music landscape And to realize that rock and roll is that Yes Because for our lives growing up

Rock' role was king You know it was And now you look at it And there's not a rock band on pop station. It's all urban and pop stuff. And, you know, the traditional country song that crosses over, but it's crazy. Like any band like us, like us, kind of crows, any band like that, if we came out today, we'd be country because Zach Brown band in 94 would have been selling half million records

a week on pop radio. He would have been killing it on pop radio. I mean, but, you know, today he's a country man. Do you think that stuff will come back around? Like, do you think Rock will, I hope so, but I don't see it. I don't think so either. I think it's really dead. It's scary. I'm trying to think right now off the top of my head, like a rock band playing an arena

tour right now, there's none. There's none that's not a nostalgia band. There's not one band who's like all right, right, right, right. You know, I'm a room five, but, you know, when was the last time they were rock? I mean, you know? Like, even me, I'm younger. I have, like, my playlist where I get, like, my bangers going before I go out, a little pregame action.

Yeah. There's not one new rock song on there because I don't even, I don't know where to find them. Kids don't care about, I mean, kids aren't. kids aren't looking for and they obviously don't care because if they were looking for it in today's climate you can find it you know it's so easy to get online and find whatever but they don't want it they want rap and they want pop and they want you know that great post malone who's right in the middle and both you know that's yeah edm too people love edm yeah but then also they've never been on the edm kick but that's the method thing they also want you know they also

want marina lambert they also want luke holmes because nowadays you always hear that you some guys you know somebody opened their car and their post Malone's playing and right after that there's a country song. Right after that there's walka-focal, you know, and that's what the kids are doing now. But there's no room for rock and roll. I mean, I would venture to guess like the new rock and roll theoretically is country music. Yeah. Kind of, yeah. Like I think my first country crowds that I went to, I went to like Jason Aldeen probably like 10 years ago.

Yeah. And I said to myself, this is just a rock concert pretty much. It's a rock concert with Southern accent. Absolutely. It's just a rock concert. Absolutely. What's your thoughts on Post Malone's cover? only want to be with you.

I thought it was absolute genius. Man, for some reason I was like, is he about to say garbage? Man, that was absolute garbage. Yeah. I really thought it was genius. I mean, he's a buddy buddy, buddy. He said, you know, I've got a surprise for you

and it comes out. And it was, you know, to have somebody cover a Rudy song, somebody that big. to cover a hoody song and to do it the way he did it with such respect to the song. I mean, that was pretty awesome. Yeah, man, it's kind of like your guys's legacy going to generations, man. It was pretty awesome. What, uh, I see you also have a sports agency.

Yes, I do. How do you get into all this stuff outside of music? When did you start to find time to tap into other interests, like while you were being an artist? The last probably really 10 or so years I've really started to try to do other stuff just because I get a lot of And I always say no, because it's going to be too much work. Now, like with the sports agency, when that came around and I wanted to get it in that with my buddy, that was just a no-brainer. I love the NFL. And, you know, we only have the NFL, we only have NFL players and golfers.

Yeah. And my two favorite things in the world, NFL, and playing golf. And, you know, I'm not that guy. I'm not an agent. You know, I'm not anything that. You know, I'm that guy who just talks to the guys. And, you know, you want to talk about, you know, if you want to talk about, you know, if you want to talk about. The closer.

I've closed a couple of years. Yeah, we'll get Darius. We'll fly Darius in here. I know we're about... He's singing in living rooms of the family. I know we're about to close when I get that phone go. Hey, could you be on a Zoom call tomorrow? I was like, okay, got to close.

Yep, I could do that. I could do that. What makes you such a huge Dolphins fan and not a Carolina fan? I was five years old. And my whole family, I had a... My mom had two sisters and it was 15 of us kids. And we were having a party for the Super Bowl. and everybody is over at our house.

So I'm a five-year-old, and I go around and I ask everybody who they're pulling for. It's the Dallas, the 71, I think 71 Dallas, Miami. So I saw my family who they're pulling for, and everybody says the Cowboys. And White Sheep of the Family, Dairy's soft, of course, goes, okay, I'm pulling for the dolphins. I'm pulling for the dolphins. I remember when they lost crying like a little baby. I cried like a little baby. I was so upset that they lost.

And then the next year I said. That's just because you wanted to be the lone guy? I wanted to be the guy who was talking about. That was my team. And three hours of fandom. Yeah, exactly. Top blow. And then the next year, I started playing Pop Warner and they went undefeated.

So it was easy to be a fan. Your team's winning every week. Yeah. Then they go undefeated. Oh, cross-country mortgage. Shout out the boys at Cross-Country Mortgage. I love him so much. I'm a little biased when I read this.

Glennie, go ahead and take it off my chest. So the rates of cross-catching mortgage are unbelievably low. don't pay the bank more money than you need to. Our friends of cross-coaching mortgage make it super simple to figure out how much you can save on a monthly basis and over the life of your loan. These numbers can be staggering, and you don't know how much you can save

unless you actually talk to an expert and figure it out. Click here or swipe up to learn more about your refinance and connect with your team over our cross-coaching mortgage who will make the process as painless and simple as possible and help you keep your money in your pocket so you can go to fun things. Let's go to the big game. Enjoy that. That's why cross-cotch is here.

Yeah, and guys, rates are at all time lows and it may never get this low again. It's called inflation. Call today for a fast, free quote. Our partners will save you a ton of money over at cross-country mortgage. Call today and our friends at cross-country mortgage will give you a free home valuation that is free just for calling. Reach out to them and see what they can do for you.

And when you connect with cross-country mortgage, tell them that Barstool Sports and the boys sent you. Go to cross-country mortgage.com forward slash barstools and learn more about your future home-buying experience or refinance. your current mortgage, cross-country mortgage LLC, NMLS 3029, all loan subject for out of writing or approval. www. www. www.

comus consumer access. org. Can I get your opinion on this? We mentioned this on the Sunday conversation before. Darius, I asked him if you'd rather see the Gamecox for an SEC championship or a Dolphin Super Bowl. And he said he's seen a Dolphin Super Bowl.

Did you say? What did you say? It's going to be a national championship. Yeah. I thought you guys are going to win the national championship. That's like big and a number of it. He throws his hand around. That's like big enough for you.

I'm a St. John's basketball fan. Just give him the SEC championship. I'm a St. John's basketball fan. I know whenever won't the national championship. But one in the Big East once, that would be pretty legit. I feel like that's the same way with the SEC. Yeah, but that's a little disrespectful. This is a South Carolina.

This is South Carolina Gamecox. This isn't, no disrespect, but who's St. John and who St. Paul. And you play basketball like the Big East. We play football in the SEC. If we win the SEC, we should be winning the National Championship. The SEC. The SEC's people love the 20 years. This is said, I'll say St.

Paul or at St. John. St. John's. He said, man, you know, a Big East. Like, who is St. John? Like, everyone knows who. St. John's. We're a good basketball school. We were good in the 80s.

Yeah, but come on, man. I mean, yeah, so was Tang. I'm just to be, I just to be saying, I would be more than happy with a Big East championship. I would not be happy with an SEC championship and not a national championship. That would not be a man. So South Carolina National Championship or Miami Dolics?

Super Bowl. I've seen two Dolph's Super Bowls. It would have to be South Carolina and national championship. And he says I haven't seen him. I was six and seven. I feel like it doesn't count if you were six and seven. Absolutely.

I'm a Giants fan. I was, I was 10 and 14. It doesn't count. That's true. Like, growing up, I was a Dallas fan and I was growing up in the 90s. So I'd feel weird claiming,

like, I got to see the Dallas titles. I claim them both. And yep, I got actually found over it. Like, I remember eating little smokies in the living room watching me like, yeah,

the Cowboys. You know, let me rewrite. it. You saw them. You didn't get to enjoy them. I talked trash to my friends for 300, no, I was 7. In elementary school? Yes, that's what we did was talk trash. Absolutely. There's got to be the line leader for the Dolphins winning. Electric football set and I had my dolphins and every time I went to somebody's house, I can say the world champions are coming out.

The world champions are coming over. What were you going to ask with Nebraska? I was about to say, would the Cornhawks group plans be hyped over a Big Ten championship? Today they should be. Well, we're just taking some random shots. What are we clapping about back there? Damn. I got to play in a Big Ten championship,

and that was what? That wasn't even a decade ago. Like, when's the last time? You said you wouldn't be happy for a South Carolina SEC championship? When's the last time South Carolina's gone to an SEC championship? Once. But you said you wouldn't be happy for a conference title.

No, I want to, if we win the SEC, we should be winning the national. So you think I should be happy with just getting a Big Ten title when we've been to the Big Ten Championship and we haven't even been in the Big Ten Conference for like 10 years. We've already been once. It's a Big Ten. What's that mean? We got more teams in the top ten right now than the SEC does. Yeah, but none of you all want to come play anybody. That's false, man.

We'll take everybody. You'll be going to come play Vanderbilt. Okay. I'll get out of here, man. Vanderbilt is such a. That's like a school of the blind. That's like a school of the blind. That's what I'm telling you.

We can be Vanderbilt right now. That's how bad it is for y'all. No, man. You all put Vanderbilt on your schedule and get upset for homecoming. No, we beat, we. We'd be do it. We'd be do it. Rest in peace, Big Ten.

All right. Be Big Ten. What are you, Big East? Why are you just going to play the SEC? We're Catholic basketball schools. I've been partial here. We don't even play football. You're arguing like you got Bama.

Well, yeah, well, we got. What are you guys got? You guys got a Jadavian Clowning highlight hit. Yeah. What else you guys got? A lot of great fans. Great women's basketball team. We have the best women's basketball team in the country.

We got the best women's volleyball team in the country. We got the best equestrian team in the country. We got the best bowling team in the country. Do not fuck with our girls riding horses. God, everyone doesn't think I'm a real-ass-corn husker doing. I tell you, man. Dude, seriously, our equestrian team won the equestrian team. They won the equestrian national championship.

and I get all the rings like when we win the championship. I'm a big supporter, so I get all the rings. The equestrian national championship ring was so gaudy. It was a freaking super boring. It was so gaudy. You walk around like a...

I put it on to go to games. I don't walk around like that. I think it's huge. I'm the golf course with it. I feel like the final stage you're in life. You're just going to be the AD. That's my goal. There's going to be a AD.

Just acting. I don't want the job for a long time. Just give me like six months to fuck some shit. Yeah. Two music careers get in a sports agency. He knows the game with athletes. Huge fan. Sounds like a booster since he gets Natty.

Since he gets Natty rings. Yeah, legitimately, though. What is it? Equestrian? Equestrian? What is that sport? Oh, ladies, riding horse. There it is.

It's so got... Mine's got a big ruby in the middle. Equestrian? Yeah. I'm like thinking of a video game. Like, me sports? Yeah, like a... Equestrian.

I don't know. It has the E. Galactica, equestrian. It's horseback riding. Oh, for real? Why don't they call horseback riding? That's a good point. We're the horseback riding chance of the country.

We are. We are. That does sound a hell of a lot cooler. We're the horseback riding chance. Yeah. We're champions. How do you win an equestrian title? You ride horses really well?

And it's just like the look of the horse. Like you're kind of like a dog show? I mean, I'm not judging it. I don't know. He's like, I just. I just got the ring. I'm just wearing the ring. That's all I'm doing.

So what's the most recent ring you've gone? The, our, I'm the honorary coach of our women's golf team. So we won the SEC championship and I got a ring. You got to take like a Tom Brady picture. I do. You got to. You're right. See there?

Don't mess with our girls riding horses. You can't. That's awesome. And you're the, you're the women's coach of the, you said the golf team? Yes. For South Carolina? South Carolina. Yes.

And you guys won an SEC title? Yes. Well, we got, you know, Hootie to Boothish, we have a golf tournament called the Hootie that it's a men's, a men's college golf tournament. Okay. We have, last year, I think we had 10 of the top 25. And I have a golf tournament in Hilton Head called the Darius Rucker Invitation, which is a women's college golf tournament. And, you know, South Carolina hosts. And so I'm the honorary cap, I'm the honorary coach of the team, which is very good because I'm a very good golf teacher. And so, you know, you know what sucks about, I got to play with you.

these girls, you know, I play with them once a year, and I get out there, and there's some girl who's five-two hitting the ball 30 yards past me. Damn. You're teaching her to do that? Yes, I'm seeing. I'm coaching her out for that. That's not what I do, yeah, yeah. Man, he's got, he's got me fired out because he triggered me with all that big ten

Nebraska talk right now. I'm just saying, you don't want to be. And Jack, you back there clapping and laughing, but let's not act like Tennessee's, like, let's not act like we're proud of Tennessee right now. I mean, we're putting up a fight more than Nebraska. Three and seven, two by weeks. Come on, man. We're the best three-we're the best three-win team in the country, though.

At least South Carolina be Florida. Thank you. Who do you guys have? Thank you. Are we about to really go toe-for-to-to-to-on these schedules right now? You're going to get to ZEC. You're not going to go toe-to-to-to on an SEC schedule. Are you kidding?

Oh, here we go. Yes, absolutely. Can you guys beat Vanderbilt? Yes, but y'all can. Yes, we could. No, you could not. Bring up the schedules. I would take Vanderbilt.

you name it right now. You're just talking out of your ass right now, Darius? I was going to play wagon wheel after this on the way to the golf course. I ain't playing it no more, man. No. Who we got? You beat NC State, okay, be by Kentucky. They're not even that nice.

What? They're not. I will say you put up a competitive fight against A&M because A&M beat Bama. Exactly. So you guys put up a good fight there. We put up 10 points on Georgia. That's like 50. against anybody else.

You guys lost to South Carolina, Jack? Tennessee? Yeah. It wasn't Tennessee's schedule. We didn't lose South Carolina. We beat South Carolina about like 35. Is this the right schedule? I don't know.

That's right. That's old. That's old. That's old. You haven't you fired up for a second. Yeah, we beat them last year. They cheated this year. Exactly.

You sound like me every week on the podcast. We played Oklahoma, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, all top 10 teams. And a collective, we lost to them 108 was. Is it 92? It's the saddest sports conversation. It is. It really is. Your team's got three wins and you're trying to, hey.

Yeah, Darius and Willgoe toes on South Carolina, Nebraska. The proudest guys with their school is just arguing. Oh, I wish we played Nebraska this year. I do too, man. And what sucks is JP is a huge South Carolina fan. If we play Nebraska this year, that would definitely be homecoming. We mind the bulletway. I was going to say bowl game.

We ain't making a bowl game. Are you guys going to make a bowl game game? It's like I said to my son the other day. We'd be Florida. My son's a huge game cock. It goes, Dad, we might win out. I was like, we probably won't win one out, but we'll probably win one more game

to go to the shitty bowl game that you're going to make me go to. You have to hook them up with the gifts. Maybe you'll get the gifts, the bowl game gifts. Oh, yeah. Always. What gets you there? What gets you to a game? Like, SC championship you're obviously going.

How often do you go to? You want every game I can go to. Every game I can go to. If I'm not working, I'm at the game. The bowl game, I'm going. Oh, that's awesome. We're going. So do you travel to their way games too?

No, I won't go to away games. That's just a fight waiting to happen. Okay. That's a fight waiting to happen. I think I make some exceptions, though? I don't go to any way games. I never done like LSU. I haven't been to LSU.

I haven't been to LSU. Yeah. But, like, I won't go to a game. I've been a game in Clemson. I'll never do that again. I'll never go to game called David Clemson ever again. And that's the rivalry, right? Absolutely.

You'll never go to a Clemson game ever again. That means you've went to a game. ended badly. Didn't end badly. It just could have ended. It looked like for a minute it was going to, like we were going to be in a fight, and I was like, you know, and I'm thinking, I'm about to get in a fight at a football game. Is this really happening?

Were you really getting triggered like that? Oh, yeah. Oh, we were ready. Oh. I'm ready to go. If we're going to go. Imagine that invite. We're going to go. He called him prison showers earlier. You know Darius is ready to go. You're not going to hit me first. I'll tell you that much. If I'm ready to go, if we're going to go.

Okay. Yeah. I'd rather not Especially at 55 Yeah I'm a lot of experience I'm scared right now Oh

What else we got What else we got on the docket Alex What were your thoughts on that key and feel skit A while back Every single key and peels kit I've seen on me Have been absolutely genius It's so hilarious Bro they are so funny

They're so funny I mean they I mean when that show ended I was so upset Because they were so funny Yeah And they do Like this was

hilarious. Yeah. I remember there's all I seen. Hey, that dude... He even got my guitar. I mean, he's making incredible movies now. Like, they're both doing their own thing.

They're really doing great stuff. Talk about a career change. Yeah. Going from Get Out from Keen Peele. Oh, I thought that was a funny one. Get Out? Oh, Get Out was great.

Yeah. Right before they did this, they came to Nashville and said, yeah, we go to Nashville, and we'd land and we get off the plane. And the first thing somebody said to me was me, we love Darius Oh my gosh, dude.

Oh, shout out the boys over at Roebuck. Speaking of Roebuck, I know I'm not wearing a rowback polo right now that you guys see on camera. I'm about to change into it because I got to go do this little golf outing with my boy Kenny Bell for the Big Ten Network, Big Ten Network, not to flex but to also flex.

But Roebuck Actuar, you all know Roebuck, best fit, best feel. It's football season, the best season, which means it's also. So hoodie season. Luckily for you guys, Roeback, just restocked their performance hoodies.

And I'm not shitting you when I say these are the absolute softest, highest of quality hoodies in the game. The material is out of this world soft, and the stretch is unmatched. And nobody does hoodies like Roebuck. Roebuck is on truly, truly, truly,

for us, the fats, the larger people, it's tough to find a good hoodie or the three-quarter sleeves. We have those, Broback. I wear them all the time. True size.

So comfortable. Amazing. I love how you switch your voice, too, to make this a very genuine. That's a genuine. It's a genuine. I love Roeback. Yeah. You can keep going. Oh, yeah. I love Roebuck.

And if you love it too, use the code Bussin. B-U-S-S-I-N on Roeback.com for a generous 20% off your first order. That's spelled R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. That's 20% off your first order on all polos, Q-Zips, hoodies, and T's with code Busson. Hop on the Ro-back tray now because it's taken off. So go check that amount at Ro-Back.com. do it for the boys and honestly just be comfy get row back it's comfy as comfy as hell

um oh something that's new that i wanted to ask you about because you've had your you've had your careers I know you're like older in the game now so you could probably give game seeing all this Taylor Swift stuff unfold um what are your thoughts on that like her having the remake albums like I know it seems like anytime we've had a country artist on like we've had a couple rappers on we've had a couple country artists on it seems like they're very different industries when it comes to like the labels

and owning rights and owning music um we've had jelly roll on who's like an independent guy. But what do you make of all that to where she's remaking her albums because of who was the guy, what was the guy's name, Alex? I know you're well-versed on this. Scooter Braun. Scooter Braun wouldn't sell her the music or he sold him to a different label without her consent.

And does that stuff happen a lot in the country world? Yeah. You know, the deal, when you sign your first deal, it's always a bad deal. Really? A lot of people get screwed by that. But I love what she's doing. And I mean, and the great thing about Taylor when she does stuff like that, she just, it works. It's perfect, you know, because everybody's going to go out and buy the record, even though it's basically the same record, but they're going to go buy it.

Because she's a frigging superstar. And I love what she's doing. Rerecord everyone and put them out. You know, then for all the stuff that's going on after that, you know, she owns the master's perfect. Have you been, like, going from the Hootie and the Blowfish to you being so low? were there certain things you looked at getting into the getting into the country world or getting in working with new labels the fine print of stuff being like hey you know I'm gonna

now that I'm a little bit more established I know I'm not gonna get gotten with this avenue every deal even my first country deal every deal is I know what I want to own I know what I'm I'm willing to part with and I know but so if it's not right we're just not going to do it because you know you want to own you want to own your music you want to you want to make money off your music not just the label making all the money off the music. So it's really important, especially in the digital age,

because so hard to make money on records right now. Yeah. You know, Spotify's spinning you and they're paying us. It's 0.000,000, 0.01 cent every time somebody plays one of our songs. Really? Yeah, I mean, that's nothing. You know, you got to get a billion spins to make $100,000 or something. You know, it's crazy.

Goodness. I thought it was interesting, too, because the scooter guy wanted, the scooter bra on, he wanted her to sign, like, NDA saying he couldn't say she couldn't say another bad word about him. And he would sell her the music. Is that right, Alex? I don't know the offering, but he wanted her to sign an NDA to where he couldn't, he couldn't say anything negative. Like, I think it's interesting, like being in those worlds. Like, you just have no clue that that's the stuff that goes on, like when you're working

with big media or big labels or anything like that. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that, that's, that's, that's, that's just different. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, it's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, And, you know, it's part of the business. We, none of us invented it. We're all just living it. Yeah. Coming from a band with Houthi and the Blowfishing, going to solo in the country industry,

especially in an industry where they're huge on your likeness, the way you present yourself, the way you carry yourself. Did you ever have to get over any hurdles getting into the country world? Like as far as like, hey, don't say this, or you got to be like that because in country, if you say one wrong thing, like there could be so much control over you to where they can take you off a lot of things.

Oh, it's amazing. Country music is amazing how you can get canceled. Like the Dixie Chicks thing, you know? I mean, they were the biggest thing in the business. And then one day, and they weren't on the radio at all. You know, and that was always crazy to me. So no one's ever said to me, don't say this or don't do that.

I mean, I've always been a guy who keeps, most stuff close to my vest and I'm not, you know, I'll talk and have fun and laugh and everything, but I'm not going to just get serious, I'm not going to sit in here and talk politics with you guys. It's that agency in you? Yeah. Sports agency stuff in you. So I just, no one had to tell me

because it's really who I am so I just go, I do what I do and be who I am and if you don't like it, don't listen. Yeah, that's awesome. That's interesting. I've always been fascinated with that stuff because any time we have an artist come on, some will give us like, you know, jelly, jelly roll. I don't know if you know who jelly roll is.

But he'll tell us, like, a lot of stuff because he's, like, an independent guy. And you can kind of tell some people who might come on where they're younger that they might not just be able to say a whole lot because of things that they have to sign or things that they've given away and, like, hey, I can't speak on this. Yeah, I don't know where I was going with that. Ride, like. Dude, it's so funny. I've heard that song for a decade and never thought about cutting it.

and I was uh because the old crow version is so bluegrass it's such a bluegrass song I never even thought of it as a country song and so uh I'm at my daughter's high school talent show and I'm just I'm making my record I fly from Nashville to the to the talent show and flying back to go in the studio the next day and and the faculty band's playing it's like three teachers two janitors they're playing music in between and so they play wagon wheel And I'll never forget this. They play Wagon when I start playing. I was like, oh, man, I never heard it like that.

They get to the first chorus, and I go, I think I'll cut that. And so I text my producer, and I'm very coachable. I'm very coachable. And I text my producer, and I, man, remember that Wagonville song? And he texted me like, yeah, man, I don't know if we should mess with that. He's like, you know, a lot of people cut it. I don't know if we should mess with it. And I text them back, hey, man, I'm not asking you.

I'm telling you we're going to. this Wagon Will song tomorrow when I get back. And he was like, okay, we can cut it. And I remember cutting it. And I thought it was cool. But then when Lidia Annabellum got on it, I really thought this song might be a hit. And so we put out the first single and it goes number one.

And we're in a meeting about the second single. And one of the guys who I love to death, somebody said, well, what about Wagon Wheel? And he said, we are not putting Wagon Wheel out. He's like, you know, that's just so cliche. And so he loses and we put it out. And Wagon Wheel is the fifth best-selling song in the history of country music. That's your song that's went like eight-time platinum, right?

I think it just went 10. Let's go. It's a goddamn bangor. Bro, it really is a certified banger. Oh, no problem. It was never the same, dude. But the thing about it is, you know, I didn't write it. It's one of those songs that you always say,

People always say, beware what you cut because you might have to play it for the rest of your life. I have to play that song for the rest of my life. If I'm playing one song in the show, it has to be right. It is, bro. Like, that's the jam, man. I was at the kid rocks Friday night,

and I walk in at like 2 a.m., they're closing down or whatever. This band's playing Freebird, and I'm like, they had to pay these guys so much money to play Freebird right now. Absolutely. You play Free Bird right now? Somebody put $100 in the bucket for Free Bird.

Yeah. Yeah, man, you, yeah, that is the, that is the banger, bro. All right, boys, Roman, shout out to boys at Roman. No free shoutouts, boys. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer in bed. They try thinking about baseball. You try thinking about glennie balls, and it doesn't always work out. The folks at Roman on Online's men's health company are changing the game with their Roman swipes,

the secret to longer lasting sex. Roman swipes are clinically proven to make you last longer in bed. They're effective, easy to use, fast acting, and don't really. require a prescription. Roman can ship swipes to your door in a discreet unmarked packaging package, and each swipes packet is small enough to hide in your wallet for whenever you need it. They're super easy to use. Just take the swipes out of the packet.

Look at the little boy downstairs, swipe it on, dry them off, and you're good to go. That's it. Go to get roman.com slash bussen to get your first month of swipes for just $5. Would you pay $5 for better, longer lasting sex? I believe you would. that's get roman.com slash bussing. Oh yeah brother. Five bucks,

that's a deal for longer elastic sex. You look like that. Oh, I know. Absolutely. That was a funny thing. Somebody, one of my buddies we were hanging out there

and he said it to me and you know when you're in the middle of your career, you don't really think about your career. You just think about what you're doing and my buddy we were drinking and he was like, you know,

I was looking something up and he said, you realize that your voice is on the number five best-selling country song and the number eighth best-selling record of all. all time. And I never even thought about it.

Wow, you're absolutely right. How does that make you feel? Wow. Wow. That's crazy. It's crazy to think about that. That's crazy. I mean, all the humble beginnings and you're like,

of all time. Yeah. Crazy. Like of all time, bro. Yeah. Crazy, man. That's incredible, dude. No way around it.

Bangor. Yeah. Could you imagine, like, going, like, 55 years old and you have, you have something that is a, established as one of the greatest of all time. And I live on for, you know, however long. Thoughts on Jimmy Allen winning new artist of the year?

I love it. I love it. He deserves it. I think he's one of the best guys going. And I was really, Jimmy's a real good friend. I was really happy for him. Yeah, I won Best New Artist at 41.

Let's go. So it was. Yeah. It's really great to see. I mean, I was so proud. I'm happy for him. He deserved it, and he's going to be a superstar. Jimmy's going to be a superstar.

Yeah. Everyone's always so fascinated. I know when I was listening to interviews with you, everybody's always so fascinated to talk to you about your friendship with Tiger Woods because you got to meet him at, what was it, 18 years old? He was 18 when we started hanging out. How old were you? I was 28.

Dang. And you getting to know, like, you know, the goat, golfer. Tiger and are pretty close. You know, I got to, I sing at his wedding, singing his dad's funeral. he's my brother and uh to getting him to start to know him at 18 before everything happened and then to watch everything that the explosion and to watch every the implosion and to be a part of all that and it's down to be to know where he is right now in his life he's just an amazing human being and he's a great great guy who I love dearly and and I get him and he makes me laugh

and he's this is the kind of stuff Tiger does to you, okay? We're playing golf and we're playing for some pretty good money and of course he just beats me down and, you know, I mean he's talking trash from the first wing to on.

Yeah, to wait a point. The one time I stopped and I said, dude, I'm number 78,000 in the world and you're number one and you're sitting here talking shit. And we go, And we finish and I pay him and I get, I'll start driving back to my hotel and I pay him and I get a phone call.

And his phone call is him just itemizing what he's going to spend my money. How many times have you guys played golf? Oh, a lot. We play a lot of golf. You guys bet on it every time? Every time. Yeah, I'm out there to, yeah. What's the most, not, it doesn't have to be to him, but what's the most money you've won and lost on the golf course?

Most money have won on a golf course. I think I won 12 grand once playing a golf course. game that I shouldn't have been playing. And the most I've lost, I think I lost six once. Okay. Yeah. Was it from Tiger? No, Tiger, he's taking a lot, but he didn't take six.

I got a, I got a hustling for the six. I got hustle for the six. Oh, man. Could you imagine Tiger just taking six grand from him? Like, I beat you, man. Forking it out. Oh, yeah. Have you ever beat him?

No, I've never beat him. This is, this is. Tiger Woods. Yeah, I know, but he's out there competing betting him every time. This is how great he is. He's beat me, we're playing one day, and he's beat me, and we're on 18, and I tell him, all right, man, I will get one of the, you know, I'll say, if you win this, I'll give me three times, but if I win, you've got to pay me half.

All right, and so we go, we hit our drives. I hit my ball to about eight feet, because, of course, I was hitting before him because he was 60 yards in front of me. Yeah. And I have my ball to about eight feet, and he hits it, and he short-sized himself into the trap. And he's short-sighted. I mean, the pin's right there. He's in the tree.

in the front of the green. And he goes up there and I'm like, you know, I'm like, I'm fucking make this punt. I'm getting this. This is, I'm about to talk my shit. I'm about to talk some shit. We're in the hole. And he got up on that sand shot,

looked down to that, hit it. It took one hop and went in and he looked at me and said, I told you you're never going to fucking beat me. That is fucking crazy, bro. It was unbelievable, dude. It was unbelievable. There just looks, man, fuck you. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

That was exactly. And I'm, yes, and I missed the put. Oh, that's funny as shit, man. Oh, yeah, he's a great guy, man. You guys, you guys have anything for Darius? Yeah, you sang at Frank Sinatra's 80th birthday party. Is that true? Oh, man, I'm a huge Sinatra guy.

And so we're huge at the time. And I meet George Slater, who was Frank's producer. And George and I met and done something. So we get a phone call. We're in the studio. We get his phone. call that they want us to play Sinatra's 80's birthday. I said, okay. So I said, I wanted to do Lady as a Tramp.

I said, okay, and so they sent us this arrangement. Whoever arranged it, I got to hand it to him. It sounded, the arrangement he gave us sounded exactly like Only Want to Be With You. But it was Lady as a Tramp, and it was great and everything. But I told him, I called George. I said, George, we don't want to do that. He's like, what are you going to do?

I was like, I want to do the Quincy Jones Live at the Sand, 64 arrangement. He said, all right, yeah, let's do that. And so we go and we're going, and it's Frank's 80. And it's a who's who's who, from Dylan to Rickles. It's a Springsteen. It's a who's who of music at this thing. And so they start the show, and Frank is not really paying much attention. 80 and people are singing, and, you know, he's looking on, no, no, no,

Barbus. So he's going on. So we're like, this is going to be a disaster for us. Yeah. And so we go out, and we got on Zoot's. suits, man. And we had Ladies of Tramp

with that big band. And I mean, we just went straight full Sinatra. And we finished and Mrs. Sinatra stood up and made me come over

and shake his hand and said, son, that was awesome. And I'll never forget that. That's got to be a cool moment, man. I don't remember.

That's it. Yeah. That's it. That's the moment. I'll never forget that. That was awesome. That is cool, man.

Going over Frank Sinatra, hey, you crushed it. Yeah, my heart's beat right now. Yeah. Is it pound out of your chest gliding?

You know, that was a moment. We might be here a while. That's, man, like, the stories he'd been telling? I mean, it's been pretty cool, the stuff I've gotten to do. The Sinatra moment was crazy, you know. The Jimmy V, where I got the Rick Flair robe when Rick Flair was there, you know, that was, those are moments like that, the little stuff like that. You know, like, Mrs. Sinatra telling me to make me come shake his head.

That was, I mean, that's fucking Frank Sinatra, man. Yeah. You know, and that, stuff like that. You can't, you can't ever take that away. That's always, and I'll always be with me. What, you're a big Rick Flair fan? Oh, yeah. How are you feeling when you watch this 30 for 30?

I've known Rick a long since the 80s. And so. Because it really opens it up. It opens up. A lot of that stuff. Rick is a complicated man, complicated man. And he's a great dude. But, you know, I'm a, you know,

I'm not going to get into much about Rick Flair, but one thing I'll say about Rick. I always say to people, if you've ever seen Rick Flair naked, you know why Rick Flair loves Rick Flair. Oh, man, let's go. Yeah, there you go. I can't do it very well.

All right, hit it. Yeah, hit it. Let's hear it. The woo. See, it's not very good. Gravely. No, I appreciate you coming on, man. Well, thank you guys for having me.

It's your humble beginnings. Like, I'm thinking of myself, Belton, the car, your music, and to have you, to have a podcast, busts with the boys, and to have somebody like you come on. Like, it's, it's a pretty cool moment right now. Thank you for having so. I appreciate you sharing the stories and laughing and hell, going toes on South Carolina Nebraska. It's been fun, man. I really appreciate you. I've had a blast too, man. Yeah. Glennie, you got anything, bro? No, but yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah. Also, thank you for me.

It's my first time for me. No, thanks a lot, man. This has been awesome. It really has. Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers, I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick, and guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know. Tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was probably. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis keep coming to. He's like, you know I love you, dog.

You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Farrell's big money players and IHeart podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger

hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they hit a bogo. Well, then you got it. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.