Bussin' With The Boys - Darren Waller

Episode Date: August 10, 2022

Recorded: June 24, 2022 | Darren Waller makes his second appearance on the bus and if we are being honest, it could be even better than his first one. Will and Darren talk ball, sobriety, discipline, feeling your emotions, and tons more in an extremely dynamic episode. Intro (0:00) Fall schedule (11:00) Trip to Green Bay (13:00) Shoutout "No Free Shoutout (23:00) Darren Waller Interview Starts (35:10) Improvements for this season & relationship with DC (45:00) Lessons learned from last year (48:00) Goals vs Principles (53:00) 5 Years sober and that journey (1:00:12) Waller's beat that he made for Will's mom/dealing with grief (1:07:00) Books that helped D Wall stay disciplined (1:18:00) Tier Talk "Best Gatorades" (1:39:00) ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - Learn more about the Chevy Silverado at https://barstool.link/ChevyBarstool Betterhelp: Go to https://barstool.link/BUSSIN for 10% off your first month Duke Cannon: Use code “Bussin” at https://barstool.link/DukeCannonBSS for 15% off your first order. Georgia Boot: Go to https://barstool.link/GeorgiaBoot and use code BUSSIN for 20% off Roman: Get $15 off your first order of Roman T-Support at https://barstool.link/BussinRoman Gametime: Download the Gametime app at https://barstool.link/GametimeApp and redeem code BUSSIN for $20 off your first purchase (terms apply).For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the back-to-school summer drop, which has all of your back-to-school summer drop, to school essentials. A couple of things I got right here next to me. But first, your essentials that you need going back to school, listen up right now, especially if you're in college, as long as you're, you know, of age for some of these games. But we are releasing a beer pong table. We are releasing a cornhole set, branded Bustin with the boys. Everything you need at your tailgate, your backyard, your weekends, your downtime from studying for school because we know you guys are going to study hard, but we got what you need.

Beer pong table, Brandon Busson, Cornhole sit, Brandon Busson. We also are dropping hats. The hat you are seeing me wear right now, that's going to be dropped. Our main, let me get out there on this. Our main fan bases that buy from Buston with the boys, our biggest ones, is Nebraska. I want to shout them out first and foremost because, you know, the boy, he bleeds red, but also our homegrown Tennessee Titans. That is where our origin story was created through the Titans fans,

the two-tone blue. We got these bad boys in Oilers colors, and they fuck, they absolutely fuck. And then also you're seeing me wear it. The silver and black, the Raiders last year, really jumped up on all of the sales. So those three teams are getting the hats first. Now, if you are a team that rep,

that wants to rep your boys and wants to see us drop hats and merchandise for you guys, you have to be loud and fucking proud on social media because think of me as a vessel that's going to create you guys merch. I want to make merch for all the boys. I took a lot of heat last year for making Bengals merch, but of course your boy, I see the bigger picture

versus everybody else who lives in a box and just wants us to do Titans gear. I took a lot of heat, but essentially I want to make gear for everybody out there. To do so, you have to be loud on social media because when I asked the question, hey, can we, guys, enough retweets,

enough engagement on something like this and I drop a mock up that our boy Garrett has created, that is going to prove that we need to sell that because when I go and stand on the table for Barstall and pound the fist to make it for this brand, that brand, that fan base, that is what's going to be my, that is what's going to be my proof that we will be able to sell in that market. So that is the name of the game on merchandise. Now, to get to my favorite thing that we will be dropping this year, last year, I sported this around absolutely. everywhere. Real dingy. Just you guys have, uh, Blas, you can zoom in a little bit on this. People can see the wear and tear and the grittiness of this jacket, uh, just because we

pretty much had it painted on. I wore this jacket around everywhere. And everywhere went, people, they wouldn't even know about busting with the boys. And they would be like, bro, that jacket is awesome. I love when, uh, somebody who's working at whatever store they're working at takes time, it takes a moment to say, yo, I like that jacket. Where'd you get it from? and I unfortunately would have to say this is a one-off and it's not for sale. But we got so much traction, just boots on the ground last year, that we were begging Barstool to make us a bomber jacket. This is what it's called, right?

It's called a bomber jacket. Now, I am excited to tell you guys that we have gotten the green light to make these bomber jackets. They're going to be in red and navy blue is the first wave. So Titans and Huskers, you guys are up first. We're getting these made for you guys. Now, you can zoom in on this kind of quality, Blossie, this stitch. We got it stitched. This is a starter jacket, a collaboration with starter.

So they're warm, they're comfortable, they're absolutely everything you fucking need in a bomber jacket, dude. And we finally made them. Huge patch on the back. If you're just listening and not seeing this visual, it's if you're not for the boys, you're against them a massive patch on the back. We got the boys on the front, stitched on the front. It's all stitching. vintage looking starter jacket.

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hopefully a couple coaches as well. We've gotten a couple coaches. But since we have so much in the library, we're going to start releasing two episodes for the next four weeks. So starting September 16th, that is next week. It will change on the graphic because Garrett's the man, and he will make sure that's updated on YouTube. But all of our info, all of our stuff for the next four weeks,

similar like we did in the summer, we're going to be going two episodes. So starting August 16th, running through September 8th. We will be doing two a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays. That's huge news for us because we got on Lafleur, Basas, Aaron Rogers, Bactiari, Rob Tunyan, help co-host, AJ Dillon, Preston Smith, and then a lot of the guys that you haven't seen yet

who have came through Nashville and got on the bus, we're going to start rolling out those two a week. So the boys are back to two a week for the next four weeks. And then when we get in the season, the boys will keep it light to let you guys in on something. We are going to be standing up another segment. We will not talk about that yet. But it's, as Pat McAfee would say,

hashtag, up to something season. The boys are going to be doing something pretty fun during the season. On top of the traveling and the tailgates we'll be doing to let you guys know staying on the theme of house cleaning, housekeeping, house cleaning, whatever it is. September 3rd, we're going to Nebraska. It's official. The boys are going to fucking Nebraska.

We're tailgating. We're hopefully going to get a nice interview from one of the boys out there. And we're going to be enjoying the game as Nebraska beats the living shit out of North Dakota to start their season at 2 and 0. I'm letting you know right now. Take the money line. Nebraska is winning the first two weeks of the season against Northwestern out in Dublin. and then in week two against North Dakota.

But we'll be out there September 3rd, Labor Day weekend, maybe Thursday night or Friday all day, all the way through Sunday. We'll be tailgating, find the boys. We'll have all that information on our social media is at Boston WTB. And then also to give you guys an update on when our first tailgate is for the Titans football season, the home opener against the Giants. That is September 11th. We will be at Acme Feed and Seed for the home opener.

We'll be wheeling and dealing whistlepay whiskey. we'll be doing some giveaways, we'll be doing some, some socials. We got to get some good crowd socials in there this year. Like we got to throw some parties. We got to have a good, we got to have a good season at our Acme Feet and Sea tailgates. But for the Titans fans out there that want to join us, and even if you're from New York and you're coming in to watch the game or you're fan of the Giants, come hang with the boys.

We'll be at Acme Feed and Seed on September 11th. And that'll be probably two hours prior to the game, prior to kickoff. Did our shit go out, Jack? I've been doing a lot of rambling. but it was kind of to save. Not on the screen? No, it's not on the screen. Those were still.

What else? What was next on the house cleaning? After tailgate? Yeah, after tailgate. Just catching up, Green Bay. Catching up Green Bay. So the boys went to Green Bay. Hell of a time.

You guys can check out. I said we've interviewed Aaron Rogers. As a matter of fact, as you listen to today, the boys, a part of my take her in the middle of group, they had a phenomenal interview with Aaron Rogers. I thought it was really funny. Big Cat PFT. Those boys are fucking hilarious.

However, they were in their theme of grit week. And we see them sit in nice comfort of AC. Cameras getting set up for them. Nice polos. They stayed clean, not sweaty the entire time. It made me think that the boys were pretty fucking gritty in Green Bay. There was no access to AC. If we did, it was way too loud.

If we plugged in too many wires at once, the fucking it wouldn't work. The little thing on the outlet would, the light would go red. So nothing would work. Yeah, we were breaking Lambo. how we couldn't access all the power, I have no clue. But we were sweating the entire time. From 8 in the morning until what, what was it, three or four in the afternoon, we're at Green Bay,

no food in us the entire time because we got pretty full the night before by eating the cheese curds and the Asian cuisine at the casino. We had a great time. We lost some money, but it's all good. But we had no food that entire day until after we got done at like 4 p.m. and I was drinking on coffee in the morning, which had me like coffee, caffeine can give me anxiety. And when it was just us out there,

because we're still in the stage of like how these guys get in here, we're not like we're walking in, oh, all these dudes are coming in. We're not professional looking. Like you turn the camera around like, that's pretty much what all of us were wearing walking in. Like, yeah, that's our bus right there. But the anxiety, getting Lefleur and having five interviews in one day

and knowing that I didn't, it's hard to do a lot of research on everybody. Then we had the 20-minute time crunch with Aaron Rogers, which gave me a lot of anxiety. The boys grinded. We sweated our ass off the entire time. We got better. We got closer as a unit. We're going to be rooting for Green Bay, I think, this season, especially on the NFC east or

NFC side of everything. They're in the NFC, what? North? I don't even know why I was saying NFC East. I think that's just the old Washington commander in the boy. But a lot of good shit coming out of Green Bay. It's the reason we're going to go to two a week because we had a lot of cool interviews. I'm really fired up for you guys to listen to the Lafleur and Basaccio one.

That's probably the one I'm fired up most for. Preston Smith, AJ Dillon, and Bacchiari. Phenomenal locker room banter talk right there. That's the locker room I feel like coming to life. Some good would you rather, some good think you're taking the ass. Some good would you rather, some good tear talk, a lot of fun, a lot of laughs. Aaron, like within the time crunch of 20 minutes, it was fucking, it was tough figuring out what I wanted to be in that episode. because I just listened to the Aubrey Marcus podcast.

Rob Tunyon was co-hosting with me, his first time ever co-hosting, but I wasn't able to talk to him beforehand because he's obviously in training game and getting ready for the season. You have Aaron on that has 18 years, 17 years of playing in the league, and so you're trying to find your way through like, all right, hopefully he doesn't talk too long on this one. Should I ask this question? Should I ask that question?

But a very successful trip. We went to Family Night. We got treated up in the press box. What's Matt's last name? Do we know? Starts with an ass. Beat writer? The beat writer.

And I hate that I'm butchering that because he always gives us love on all of like anything Green Bay asking Basaccio Lafleur if they're going to bring in playoff Willie for a year 10. Matt Schneidman. Shout out the boy, Matt Schneidman. And we got treated well, man. It was a good time. You guys, would you guys concur? Would you guys agree with all that?

We had a lot of fun. Garrett and I, we had the door. Ooh, that could be a shout out. No free shot. We had the door in between the rooms. where we got to kind of, you know, hang out. The boy cashed out on you guys late at night in the jacuzzi life. But would you guys agree that it was a great, it was a great time?

Yeah, phenomenal time. Wouldn't want to spend too much time in Green Bay outside of football season. No doubt. It's like a place you'd maybe want to kill yourself. But we talked about it on Twitter. The population in Green Bay is about 104,000. The capacity of Lambeau fields about 80, so thousand. So, I mean, we like to think basically the entire town is at the game every single Sunday.

They had about 50 or 60,000 people there just watching a practice. I mean, they fucking die for ball in Lambo. There's not much else to die for there, but they die for ball. And they took good care of us. We had a good time. Yeah, and you said it too, like the entire town. Like, it is a town vibe. Like, the main streets you grew up on in the small town, like that is what is right outside

of Lambo field. you think you're like driving through you're hitting a couple stoplights you're seeing you know you're seeing where people live and you're kind of looking around the next thing you know Lambo's right in front of you like it was a it's a cool place but you're right it's not somewhere you'd want to live I don't think all year round no slight at everybody who lives in Green Bay but at the same time like that was fucking tough or it would be fucking tough to live there for a long amount of time update with the boy Taylor he wanted me to send you his best wishes coming out of training camp we talk and it's like you can just

tell every time we get on the phone, we just, we want to talk about so much, but we know we have like probably in a lot of the amount of time or like, man, come over to my house. Let's do this. Let's do that. We just know we can't do it because he's got the training camp stuff going on. I got stuff with the boys. Like we kind of just miss each other on his off day. Then he wants to hang out like he wanted to hang out because, oh, for the Baltimore, like around the Baltimore game, one of his off days, but I was like, oh, I'm going. We're going on a family vacation. But you can just tell like the boy, he misses being on the bus. He misses everybody out there listening. He wanted me to give you his best. He would have been fired up at Green Bay.

I think we would have had a lot of fun with me, him, Aaron, everybody who came on the bus. The boy has been grinding and sticking to his routine, waking up at 5.30 in the morning, working out beforehand. He claims, and I believe him, I can tell it by the commitment in his voice and the passion in his voice. When he's been at the hotel, tell he's out by 8 o'clock he's getting like what is that like 10 hours of sleep if you add it all up and do it right um but he's clicking bro he says he hasn't been eating the the extra cookies laying around he's like dialed in and he feels really good um as far to say i would go as far to say as not to put words in his mouth or anything anything else but maybe his best

start to a camp yet the boy's fired up he's in very good spirits he misses us dearly he can't wait to get back on. And by the way, I think you guys got that voice message. He's going to do the intro for next week. Your boy's going to Hawaii for a family vacation, me, the wife, and our little girl, Rue, doing a little family vacation until the 16th of August. So from the 10th to 16th, your boy is going to be out being a little island boy. And Taylor's going to be doing the intro for next week.

And so, but all to say, like, Taylor loves and messages you. And he said, big hugs, tiny kisses. And, yeah. hiring two new people. The search is getting, the search is getting dwindled down for everybody who has searched back from me. That's a good, that's a good thing.

Where are you guys are on a short list. I went through probably over 300 emails and resumes and shit. I have you guys filtered in from content creators and social media people. We're adding people because we have a small but strong team of four. One contractor in Blas Hernandez

and the other three who are full time guys, who are full time boys with bus with the boys. we got to add for this season because again if we're standing up another segment, another show doing the twice a week traveling tailgates hosting tailgates

living on social media 24-7 during football season we need to add a little bit more we need to add a little bit more to the roster because if not you guys are going to get burnout there's going to be a lot of friction you guys are going to resent me

probably quite a bit throughout the year because sometimes I just react and I don't think about anything you guys do so yeah I think it'll be good we add some people to the team that's all the house cleaning

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All right, my shout-out of the week this week. You guys ever, you ever find money in your pocket and stuff like that? Oh, yeah. That's such a good feeling, right? Yeah. Yeah. I had an experience very similar to that, but it was different. So I hadn't been to my house in a while.

Sweet. That's not what it is. But yours were. Exactly. Very similar, very similar. So I went to my house and I checked my mail. I opened the mailbox. I saw a letter. And this letter usually puts fear in people's eyes.

It puts fear in the heart. It's from the IRS. My heart immediately dropped. And I was like, do I even really want to open this letter? I was like, well, I kind of have to be. because if I don't, then I'll probably be in big trouble. So I opened the letter and I pulled it out and unexpectedly receive a check from the IRS of $167. I don't know what it was from.

I ended up calling. I said I overpaid in taxes somehow and received a check back. So I was hype about it. Unexpected. So shout out. No free shout out to receiving an unexpected payday. That's a good one, bossy. Have you spent that money yet?

Like that's something where you have so much high. you figure out what am I doing tonight? I thought about it, but I just, I haven't been, I haven't cashed it yet. I wish I could say I did. But, uh, no, I haven't. And are we, uh, like as Blas was saying that, I feel like we're kind of, are we in the, like, age of, you can almost say, male isn't the best way to get a hold of people now? Like, or if you don't see it, you're just like, ah, you know, it's male.

You prefer male? Hey, but you know what I mean? Like, if he throws it away, if it was something bad, then you know, one day you're at court and you're just thinking like, I mean, you guys try to hit me up on mail. Like I got email, I got social media, my Instagram tag. Yeah, text me. Y'all got my number. Anyway.

Come on, man. Mail me for that shit. Jack, what do you got, Big Dog? So for my shout-out, no free shout-out of the week. It is pretty obvious in my mind. It's going to the boys in two-tone blue. This Thursday, even though it's preseason, This Thursday, the Titans are taking on the Baltimore Ravens in the first game.

Rivalry game. And I heard on the radio, the Baltimore Ravens have not lost a preseason game in five years. So they're 20 deep, 20 and O in preseason. Mark my fucking words, the Titans are taking that fucking trophy away from them. The boys in Tutton Blue are coming back. We're so close for about a month from the actual season. What is it? Today is Monday the...

Hold on. The 8th. So we got almost 30 days So football is so fucking back I'm just so juiced about it I know everyone here is we're going to get into a huge grind We got a lot of work to do this season And I mean it's an uphill battle for us

And the boys in blue But man I'm getting chills right now Just thinking about that first Sunday sitting on the couch Twitter open for 11 hours straight I mean there's nothing better The fall's coming the weather's getting a little cooler No it's not Shut up

Hey I know the In my head, though it is. In my head right now. Yeah, right now. But really, it's 90. But yeah. Shout out to the boys in two-tone blue. That one's a free shout-up for me.

I mean, I'll always give the Titans a free shout-up. I mean, it's a free one every day. Realing the emotion. Why it's on Sundays. So yes, to the boys in blue, the Ravens are fucked. Hey, and there's no fucking doubt in my mind that whoever the Titans roll out is, starters or who they're going to sit and play whatnot. Vrable is in there right now preaching that they're undefeated,

that they've went 20 in a row, and that is a team key. No matter who's out on that field, them boys are going to be competing their ass off like it's the fucking Super Bowl. And we got to bring some old content out for social media. I already know my meme that's got to come out there. Good luck, though, to Lamar Jackson, a new friend of mine, and we are more than acquaintances on social media.

But I don't know what that ass come Thursday. JP, yeah, Jack, great one, JP, you have banger weekend and week out, you know, people are out there. I see everybody out there commenting. I know it's your group chat that's getting on Twitter and doing it. Yeah. Easy. What do you got, J.P.? Actually, it's something that happened between you and Garrett just a second ago, but I had heard it over. I was going to say, I thought you were going to say over the weekend.

I was like, damn, you kiss and tell? Nah, but it happened just a little bit ago, and it happened with me, And I believe Preston. And it's my shoutout, no free shoutout, is when you meet somebody for the first time and you immediately have just like fire dab. Or the connection where you both like bring it in, come out, it's like, hey, that was kind of. The way we were in rhythm on hitting that middle finger to, that little lock that we do,

sorry, I apologize for taking away. No, you're good. But I could, like, I was peeing, so I couldn't even see y'all. And I just heard it. And then I heard the, ooh. I was like, hey. Hey, that was a good one. Yeah, that's a shoutout right there.

So, yeah, that's my shoutout. That's a good one. That's a solid one. Hell yeah. To add on that, though, to add on that, when you do pop, like, dab somebody up and the pop is so loud and it echoes, that's true friendship. All right, my shout out, no free shout out of the week is when you're driving on the interstate, maybe it's a road trip. you know, you're driving, you might get a little hungry. You're checking the signs to see what kind of food's on the exit sign.

Talk to me. And you know, you're like, ah, that sign wasn't really hitting it for me. Oh, my God. That sign wasn't really doing it for me. Maybe one or two options. Keep talking naughty, boy. So you're like, damn, do I risk and push to the next exit? So my shout out, no free shout out, is taking that risk in the next exit sign.

having endless options of food. Mostly bad for you, but there's hell of options. Didn't know if they, when did they go with clap or the snap? That was fire, bro. That was fire. So true. Hell yeah. I thought today, like, you know, get in a good headspace and just have just endless

energy. So that's what made me want to hit that splits right there. I'm just to say I'm a little horny right now. Hey, I think I got a good one, boys. I shouldn't have started with that. I need to let it build up. But my shout-out, no free shout-out of the week, goes to true athleticism.

As you get older and you can't play sports anymore in life, there are a couple, there are a couple things that you can do to test your athletic ability to see if you still have it. In my opinion, this is one of them. when you are in your garage and your car is sitting outside, you got the car out and you got to close that garage door, and you're sitting deep in your garage by the door, and you think to yourself,

all right, here's the fucking moment that I've been ready to know. Can I hit this garage door button and as is closing, sprint out, hit the jump over the laser, not trip anything, and land on my two feet and stand there and watch that garage door go down the rest of the way and think, I'm still that fucking dude.

So my shout out, no free shout out of the week, goes to true athleticism where you beat the garage door going down after you press the garage door button, you don't hit the laser and you stand on your two feet. That is my shout-out, no free shout-out of the week. You do. Sometimes it's a little far. Like on mine, I'm coming up from like three stairs. There's three stairs. So I got to land, you know, I got to jump down. You know how these knees can swell up now. And usually you're not warmed up. you're not ready for it.

And you're like, all right, do I still got it? And when you go over and you hit that little fucking, you know, with that little bent over fucking, you're laying. You're like, yeah, I still fucking got this shit, bro. All right, thanks for enjoying that segment with us. I hope you guys have as much fun as we do. We will now get into the Darren Waller podcast.

The reason we held on to this one and dropped it this week, it's on the 11th, right? his five year, it's the 11th, right? Because I said the 10th, I think he corrected me to the 11th. So Darren's five years of sobriety is on the 11th. So we wanted to drop it this week. That's why we held on to it. This is an incredible podcast.

If you guys didn't listen to my first one with Darren Waller, I did it in January or February of 2020, I think. And it was just me and him 101. One, he talked, we peeled the onion back with you guys have heard his story. Probably, if you guys are tuning in for this podcast, you guys have heard the story about him, basically trying to play sabotage his way out of the league. He OD'd in a parking lot to where he woke up the next day. He had hit Rock Bottom because he was an addict and did the 12-step program, relentlessly worked to get back in the league, was on practice squad, got noticed from the Raiders

to pre-game, just catching routes. And everybody was like, who the fuck is that guy? and they signed him the next week. He ends up playing that. He has a hell of a year, finishes out the year with the Raiders, has a hell of a year the next year, re-ups into a new contract.

Basically, got to start, got to build his way into another opportunity. Fortunately, because opportunities are few and far in between, especially in the NFL. You don't have a lot of lives. And somebody who is in the 12-step program would fail, was in the drug program,

would fail the drug test all the time. I think he said he's failed 100 drug tests, like over 100. It just doesn't happen a lot. And I think, like, for DeWall to come on here, share that story the first time around, go check out that episode. It's awesome.

And you almost think, like, what else can you continue to talk about him? And having this dude come in and sit, and we get other perspectives and gems that he was talking about. He got myself emotional because he asked me about my mother, which was a moment that we kind of sat here and shared. I always feel awkward when I get emotional. And shout out to my mom's,

her birthday is without getting into that mode. Her birthday is on the 13th this week. So shut out my mom's, who's looking down on the boys. But for daring to come in and, like, talk more on how he's doing now, he woke up at 6 a.m. just to let you guys know how he came into this podcast. He's one of the boys, and he was all about doing it.

He woke up at 6 a.m. to take a boxing class. And then when was our pod? At 7? 8 in the morning. He comes over here at 8 in the morning to do the podcast. before he has to do Tide in you day three, right? Day two or day three? One of those.

Oh, yeah, Wednesday and then day one was Thursday. Yeah, day two is Friday. And then to do tied in you after that, I mean, shout out to him for giving us his time. And I would slip up and ask him, like, have, you know, do you go out with the boys in Nashville, blah, blah, blah, but you forget. Not that you forget, but it's just like a question you just ask,

it's easy to ask. Did you go out Nashville? He's like, no. He ends up seeking out somebody in the 12-step program that's in Nashville and is going and doing, what do they call, like those meetings, AA meetings, having an AA meeting. Here in Nashville with people that you probably met

through social media maybe, the dude is fucking all time. I hope you guys enjoy this episode because it is a banger. Me personally, these are the ones that live on the whole mountain bus more for me because you really dive into what it's like for him,

how he's continuing to stay consistent, continuing to keep, you know, guard his energy and improve and progress and get better. Not only as a football player, but as a human being. So without further ado, shout out the boy, D. Wall. Yeah, Bigg-Signy kisses. Enjoy this episode and make sure to subscribe.

Did you box this morning? Yeah. Where? Rumble boxing is right around the corner. In the hotel, I walked there. Did you like, all right, so we got Darren Waller back. Yo. I'm pretty fired up for it.

And if y'all, everybody watched right now, because, hey, we've grown a little bit since you've been on. I was big back then, wouldn't y'all? I mean, you helped make us bigger. That episode, if everybody listening and watching right now, like go check it. If you haven't checked out the first episode with Darren Waller, go check it out. It was in, what, 2020?

2020? Yeah. Probably around the springtime. That was an incredible episode. Still on the Mount Rushmore of Fosbro, the Mount Busmore. Everybody says it. The tier ones, the OG's like, anyway, that was a good old. But we got Darren back.

He is in town for Titan University. By the time you're listening to this, I'll wait, I'll save that little surprise. I'll save that a little bit. But you're in time for Titan University. You were up. You went through. You got in Wednesday.

Thursday was a long day. Out in the sun. You were the sweatiest. You probably worked the hardest of all the tight ends. No disrespect to the tight ends. But you were drenched, like, after the first period. So we'll talk about that. You're out there coaching.

You're out there. they're in the middle of the huddles. You're showing guys how to get better at the craft. You're also saying and listening to Greg also talk about him because I think he's a fucking stud when it comes to like teaching and like being a sponge around that dude. Like the way he teaches, I think is incredible. Right.

And now on Friday, you're up at 6 a.m., going to boxing. And then you got another camp day today as well. But why are you boxing at 6 in the morning? I mean, I just look, I like boxing and just the cardio of it. Getting up early, moving around is something that's necessary for me, part of my routine. Yeah, I got back to my room. I was making a beat. They have like this little like stage amp like Nashville kind of vibe thing.

Yeah. Making a beat in the room? Yeah. So it's just like, I don't know, my morning routine. I just like to get my day going and get challenged early. So you're up that early every day? Yeah, I used to try to wake up with the, uh, with the sunrise.

Like I listened to, you're ever listen to Huberman Lab? Nope. Podcast. It's just like neuroscientist, one of my coaches put me on to. And he was talking about how to sleep better. You got to like get your circadian rhythm going and like,

be outside and like getting natural sunlight. And it's, I don't know. So you'll step outside and everything. Yeah, I'm trying to implement that into my routine because so I'm not just staring at the ceiling at night. Are you, have you been,

have you built a friendship at all with Amir Abdullah? Yeah. Amir Abdullah is... He's like that. Yeah, he's like that. He's all about all that stuff. He's been on the bus, but like, that's my boy since college, but he's very much, like, uh, waking up with the sun, sunlight.

I listen to your, uh, podcast on Pivot. Phenomenal episode, by the way, with those guys. Uh, but talking about how you went to Utah, like, Amir goes on trips by himself. Yeah. With a recorder, like, with the... Amir's dope. Yeah, I, um... Picked up by, like, a tornado.

And, uh, man, where did he go this last off? off season. Iceland. And there's like a snowstorm. He was out like early in the morning going out to get footage and a snowstorm, like a little ice storm or snowstorm picked up. And this little tornado lifted him off the ground. And like he has it on film.

But he's out in Iceland by himself, bro. Hey, no, I knew I loved Amir because he was a, he got to the team early this off season. And I'll see him doing like these like these like caveman body movements. Like this is like after we run, after we work out. He's in there working like these movements. So I'm like, oh no, everybody's not doing those movements. And then it's like, we got out to practice. And I guess like the Patriot way, like they're like doing all these like angle like one-on-one tackling.

Like, and he is shaking people's souls out of their body. You're talking about where you run around the cone and then everybody's kind of meeting in the middle? He is just looking dangerous out there. And then I ran to him at the pool one day, I guess where he stays at. And he was talking about how he was out in Joshua Tree filming something. And I was like, oh, yeah, I fuck with him here. Bro, Amir's like that, man. That is my dude.

And that's somebody, yeah. I feel like you always vibe for sure, especially if you're waking up trying to wake with the sunrise and everything else. So you got to Nashville and you just like look for a boxing class that's nearby and you're like, I'm going to just go do it or do you know somebody? So when I was out here last year, I went to, there's like a spin class cycle bar right next door. I like riding a bike, like Peloton type of stuff. And so I did that last year and I was like, let me go do that.

And then I saw a rumble boxing was right there. And so I was like, I didn't go do that. So your training, are you just kind of like you do classes? Do you have like a certain regimen for you and yourself and you have like a trainer? You know how guys that have personal trainers. Right. Guys are big into like strength training and everything else. Like how do you handle your like off seasons and you're like training regimen?

Yeah, I got a guy back in Georgia that I do strength training with. C4 performance, my boy Corey. Shout out. No free shoutouts, man. But yeah, it's a lot of like, you know, rotational power, like just like movements that translate to the field and then I do like boxing classes there I'll do Pilates yoga and hit the field I just like mix it up keep me on my toes who uh if if the NFL of like a lot of players if there was like a boxing tournament you like yourself um I feel like getting doing doing things

against people is different I've never done that so I can't really say like I'm good on the midst I'm good with the combos like I feel like I'm kind of crisp with that but but I feel like getting in front of somebody else. I don't even want to act like I can just hop in there. Have you, like, have you sparred or anything? No. I don't plan on it. You don't plan on it?

Like, when you're done, you don't plan on, like, being like, what's his name, Frank Gore, you just have that it. You just can't not compete. You know, Frank Gore got in the box here? No, I understand. I understand that, but for me, like, I know I won't have that it. How much, uh, how much a longer do you see yourself playing?

Oh, I would tell me, I always tell myself, like, at least, like, one more contract. and then evaluate it from there because it's just like... Yeah. When is your deal up after this year? I have two more years left on my current deal, but no guarantee money. So that's why it's like all the contract hoopla. So, you know, put another year under the belt.

Next year could be a little nice for the boy. We'll see, man. You never know. Man, there's so many things like I want to dive in and talk about, I guess before we get too much into like what everybody loves talking to you about, all the deep stuff, like your sobriety and all that stuff. I do want to talk about like tight-in you and how like, I want you to speak on what you get out of it and like what you think of the overall event

because I like I sat in as an honorary tight-in yesterday in the meetings and stuff like that. And I just, I was there interviewing guys at the hotel the day before. And I just think the way that they put that thing on, man, like no, I don't know if position groups are doing it like that. Right. But if position groups do or guys like have an age to put something on like that, they need to talk to George, Travis, and Greg. Because, bro, gift suites,

having a, like, staying in a nice hotel, having, like, the PT, Cairo's, breath classes, yoga. Monstered by, like, household name brands. Yeah. Boys and Girls Club coming in with sharing. Yeah, like movie cameras out there yesterday. Yes, bro. That shit is wild.

And like the camaraderie, like, I don't know how them boys do it at nighttime, like, in the evening. Like, after being in the sun all day long, and y'all are running around. But how do these guys, like, want to go out after that. But the way that they put it together and do it and how structured and regimented it is and how on point with the catering of food and all that, like, I think it's, like, top notch. Yeah, I don't know how it could be any better. Like, like you said, all the stuff they give us in being at Vanderbilt now, like they up the facility, double the amount of guys. But even when we're on the field, it didn't feel like it was double the double. the amount of guys when they broke it up.

It was, it flowed naturally. Didn't feel like I was just sitting around or bored or anything. You know there's 85 guys here? Yeah, and there's like 40 last year. That's nuts, man. And it seems like everybody's having fun. Like I was talking to Foster, like, what do you like so much about it yesterday on the field? And he's like, I enjoy so much because there's like no ego.

Like, everybody's coming in here legit trying to learn from each other. Right. What's something you feel like you get out of it personally? I just like seeing how guys move around how they carried. themselves. It's like what confidence looks like for them, just like the human side of them. So, um, and then also like picking up tips and stuff like that, Dallas Clark out there. But, you know, I just like the human side of guys and just see how they mentally approach

things, how, you know, they stay present to the moment and how they just like take things and apply to their game and how they learn, you know. So I just were there questions or comments yesterday that had like sparked you that like you gravitated towards more? Or like a couple of guys that maybe you heard speak or watched on the field that, you know, sparked your interest to like, you all want to know more about like what this guy does with this routine. Or I want to pick his brain a little bit more like within this broad concept, technique, mental, whatever the case may be. It was definitely Dallas Clark for sure.

Just, I mean, the relationship that he seemed to have with his quarterback, I was asking him about, you know, how you go about navigating that and, you know, you know, saying things without, like, feeling like you're stepping on somebody's toes, but, like, but really saying what you want to say and need to say at a particular time. Or, like, and he crafted, like, his own little red zone role, like, they were just kind of, like, throwing into the goalpost over the middle of the field. Not because, like, me, you know, there's a lot of times in the past couple years where I felt like I didn't have, like, there wasn't, like, a clear, defined attack in the red zone

or, like, a plan for me specific. I felt like it was just kind of like, what the fuck am I doing sometimes? Yeah. But now I kind of feel like that's something that. that's in place with Josh and developing just off of this offseason alone. So it's kind of asking him about how did your role in the red zone come about? Because that's a big thing. Like for me, like there's no reason why my big ass shouldn't be, you know.

Oh, yeah, but I'm dominating in the red zone at all times, you know. Yeah, because he spoke. And one thing he did say, he's like, think of any great quarterback. And, you know, you really can't think of one without them having a great tight end. Right. And he spoke on the relationship that like getting with your quarterback and everything else. How would you describe you're in D.C.'s relationship? I don't think it could be any better, you know.

It's one where we talk like real life stuff or just like everyday stuff and can joke. But then like on the field, it's like, you know, he wants me to do something different. He can tell me and know I won't get my feelings. And then he'll be like, he'll be the first one and be like, oh, man, I could have made that throw better. Or, you know, oh, I'll get it up higher. or I'll get it there quicker. Like, so it's like one where we can share information and say something where the other one doesn't feel like we're attacking each other because we actually like each other

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you talked about developing yourself vocally. Right. Being more comfortable within your personality. Yeah. Do you feel like you're developing that more now? Like, do you feel more confident with yourself and your personality? Do you feel like you can speak to D.C. the same way D.C. speaks to you in a way that you know guys that are receiving it on the other end

aren't like, because you said it yourself, you're like, guys know I'm not like getting in my feelings. Is it a thing that where you just don't know if guys do? so you kind of like you don't want to step on nobody's toes? Or do you feel like you've grown in that aspect this off-season? Yeah, I feel like I've grown just in just having tough conversations with people in general, whether, whatever it be. Because usually like before I was just like timid and didn't want to have those conversations

and I was like, you know, always a guy that was getting suspended and stuff. So I would just kind of be like in the room, like quiet in the back and not say anything. Because if I said something, they'd be like, you don't motherfucking that was, you know, doing all that shit. What the fuck you're talking about that? Yeah. You're talking about that. So that's the kind of thing that's going through my mind, so I just won't say nothing. Or it was like there's something that I feel like I want to say.

I'm like, oh, man, like I could still be in that mindset, but I had to realize, like, that's not who I am anymore. And I deserve to have a voice because I'm not somebody that's here just trying to take for myself. Like, I actually care about the goodness of the team and the collective. So anything that I say is going towards that. So I don't need to like just tripping my mind. Are there things that have happened that have allowed you to get over that hump or step that you've made or anything that you've like studied on your own?

that's made you feel more comfortable other than just being like, you know, now I'm there in Waller, I feel like I've put up, you know, the accolades and the stats now to say, like, are there things that have happened for you that's been like, I need to get out of my own fucking head and have this conversation

because a conversation delayed is like conflict multiplied, so I just need to have this thing before it, like, snowballs and there's something worse. You just said something right there, so. I appreciate that. Yeah, but, I mean, it's just like the men that are, like, mentors in my life, like, you know, that you have to have the tough conversations.

It's just like the character building that comes from that because you're not having that conversation is essentially selfish because, you know, you could be saying something that could and bringing honesty to the table for somebody else, helping them see something differently. But instead, you don't want to have that confrontation, so you're keeping them in the dark. And then you're also, you know, letting that build up inside yourself.

So it's like, I have to go through with it. And then when you go through with it, you feel better about yourself. And you can go grow confident. because you're like, I'm not shying away from what's difficult. I'm actually going towards it. And you realize it's not as bad as what you probably... Yeah, it's never as bad. It's like, damn, why I fuck was I tripping about that?

Yeah. Do you feel like you've been able to build that just with McDaniels coming in and, like, talking with Foster and Amir and guys that have spoken highly of him and reading the things that you've said about him, about the process and the details and probably being very open about talking about the offense? Foster says the entire offense is in there getting coached up, and guys are hearing different messaging.

Do you feel like a lot of that stuff has allowed you to bring up your own conversations and guys are just a lot more open when speaking with each other? Yeah, it's just a real environment. And then they come in and they're like, hey, the more you do and the more that you earn, the more that you'll get. Right. That's how it is. What do you feel like Coach McDaniels has done, like the differences that you've seen,

like just coming in and implementing his process-oriented Patriot way? Like playing for Coach Rebaugh, I was talking with Foster on a couple things that of Rayble did, because Rable was with Belichick, McDaniel's been with Belichick forever. Like, what are some things that have really, like, stood out to you that's, like, helped you be like, oh, this is that dude. Yeah.

I mean, at first, like, if you put ego to the side, like, he's sending people on laps. Like, if you cause a penalty, or if you jump off size or if you, yeah, like, you're running. Like, it's like, it's not, none personally, not trying to make you look bad, but it's like, he wants you to, like,

because it's going to penalize you. It's going to penalize everybody on game day, So he wants you to, like, you got to feel that, like, to know where it's like, are you in that lap and it's 100 degrees at training camp? You're like, oh, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not doing that shit no more. Yeah. So it's things like that.

And then, I mean, just different ways of installing plays. Like, there'll be, like, they'll have a big screen up in the indoor and we'll, like, walk through it. Because a lot of guys, you know, you sit in that chair, taking the notes, you start fading. Yeah, it does all. So it's like, he'll mix it up and have all kind of different tapes and cutups and things like that. So it's like, by the time you go on the field and a walk through, it's like, Like, if you don't know it, it's because you intently didn't put time in to retain that shit

because it's like there's plenty of resources there. And it stands out that you're not like putting the time in. Right. Um, how exciting is it to have fucking Devante Adams added to the squad and Chandler Jones? I don't think anybody would be mad at those pickups, you know, just. Bro, Hunter Renfro gets re-uped. Like, y'all got a little squad, man.

Yeah. Are you excited? Yeah, yeah. It should be explosive for sure. You know, you have, uh, You have, like, certain goals for yourself, like, individually? Are you a big goal guy? Because when I was listening to your conversation with the fellows on the pivot,

you talked about, like, journaling a lot and not necessarily having, like, specific goals for a day or a week or something like that. Like, are you a big goal guy? Are you more of, like, you spoke on being in tune more with principles? Yeah, yeah. I just moved by principles because, like, certain goals, like, maybe a lot of guys said are results-based. And it's like, I feel like no matter what I may put in, no matter how much I may give,

like those results may not happen. Like, I really don't have that much control over what the end result looks like. But for me, I know I can control, like, what preparation looks like, what effort looks like, what my attitude looks like. And with those three things, I have those hitting on, you know, the level that they should be on. I feel like the results will take care of themselves because I could go out there and be like, oh, yeah, 1,500 yards. and then I can have 1,349 yards and be like,

it was a failure. And it's like, I don't think that that's, you know, conductive towards just my peace of mind and how I live my life, you know. I'll just, you know, I can live with the results as long as, like I said, I'm prepared and I have good effort and my attitude is there and just keep it as simple as that

and just enjoy the people that I'm playing the game with and just let that take care of itself. Yeah. Do you feel like that's hard at times? Yeah. Like last year, for instance, like, You know, you were a thousand-yard cat up until you got injured last year. Right.

You landed, like, shy of 700 last year, but with five weeks of playing, like, you probably, like, if you're a guy who has a goal of, like, I'm going to have 1,000 yards, like, every year, and you don't make that last year because you're injured. Like, when stuff like that happens, is it hard to where you have to, like, lean into that process-oriented mindset that you created for yourself? Or has it become so natural to where you really just weren't tripping off that? Yeah, it's a little bit of both. Last year, I feel like if there's a season I learned the most from,

it was just with life. It was last year, you know. Really? Just because, you know, there's certain points of the year. It's like you get the beginning of the year and that first game against Baltimore where it was just like, I think I had like 19 targets in the game. Oh, yeah, you're on my fantasy team.

And then it's like, and then there's, you go through like halfway point of the season. There's like probably like four games or so where I only had like five targets. And so then it's kind of like, it was like you're up here and then you kind of down. And then it's like, I had this point where we played like Cincinnati. And I had 100-something yards. I felt like I was heating up.

I was going to that Dallas game. And I was like, I felt like I was going to go crazy that day. And I had a couple catches early on. And then I got my knee rolled up. And then I was like, dang, I was out for six weeks. And then after those six weeks, the first practice I was supposed to be back, I got COVID that morning and was just like. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, when everybody was getting there. Yeah. And, you know, so it's just like all those things kind of forced me to sit still and be like, you know, not base my self-worth off of my performance, you know. Well, what made, what point of the year made it difficult to where you, like, learn the most about yourself? Or was it that combination of all of it? Because you guys obviously went through a lot of, like, turmoil with groan and rugs and

your injury and a lot of stuff happening, like the wave, the roller coaster of 19 and then a few catches or whatever the case may be, targets. Yeah. What do you feel like, what was the moment where you feel like? you really had to check yourself um it was all that it was uh moments where in the games where i'd have five targets because it's like you know it's still an in an industry where it's like you know your stats provide your value and i feel like you know i'm somebody that should have 10 a game it's like you know you got to swallow your pride and realize it's you know it's team

oriented and we're winning these games and so it's like you know what's really more important here is it me getting mine or is it, you know, being a part of something that's great and that's, and that's developing and that's building. So it's like, you know, really checking your ego and, like, what your intentions are there. And then even when I was injured, it was just like, man, like, you know, having these, you know, bro, I'm a drug guy at the end of the day. So I'm having these, like, wild-ass thoughts. Like, that's just the disease I have. I'm like, oh, man, these motherforkers don't need me. They went in and I'm out like. So it's like checking those thoughts and realizing it's like, it shouldn't be based off of, you know,

what's going on and like, you know, just because I'm out of the picture, it should be, you know, supporting this team and stay committed to this team and realizing that, you know, I can provide value in ways where it's just like my performance or my stat line week to week or people see me as all top fantasy, this, this and that. It's just like, no, I can still be there. I can still be a leader. It's just finding a way to do that even though I'm not out there necessarily doing it. I can still provide value to this team and just always think about what I can give rather than what I can get. And I felt like those lessons were really kind of ingrained in me last year.

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or check the boys out at any target nearby. Back to the episode. I hope you guys are enjoying it so much. I do want to say, though, like the whole addict thing. Like, you're going on five years, bro. Yeah. Like, you might use that as like a chip on your shoulder, but you're also like not that anymore.

You know what I mean? Right. I feel like, I feel like that could be like a defense mechanism just to say that. Right. And to, like, create, like, an anchor or a foundation for people sitting around you and listening. But I feel like everything that you've been doing these last five years, like, that's also not you anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And I will say, now I'll say, like, this episode's going to drop on Wednesday. It's going to be August 10th, which August 11th is the anniversary, correct? Right. So you'll be, we'll have five years of sobriety for Darren on August 11th. So when everybody's listening to this tomorrow? August 11th was the last day that I used. August 12th is my, like, clean date. Okay, okay, so August 12th is a clean day.

So which day are we going with? 12th? 12th. So when you're listening to this on the 10th, it's Wednesday right now. On Friday, we'll be in the midst of training camp, or Darren will be in the midst of training camp. My man will be five years sober. Let's get that's a big old boys. Appreciate it.

Appreciate it. Bro, what do you feel like, I want to rattle some stuff off for you. Because I actually wrote this down. Your host is prepared, everyone. Yeah. So since then, bro, and this is all, like, this is both within the confines of the NFL, but on the field and off the field. But 3,000 plus yards, you've been a pro bowler, a two-time NFL top 100 player, Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee, and Pop Warner Youth Award.

The Pop Warner Interaction Youth Award. Like, you were OD'd. Yeah. And when you explained it, like an Xbox being unplugged, the TV being unplugged, like, rock bottom working at Sprouts for $11 an hour. Right. And now you've accomplished these things in the last five years. Like, what do you think about when you think of your five years of sobriety? Like, what do you look back on?

Like, what are you proud of? Like, I think that's major, bro. You know what I mean? Like, people look up to you. Like... It's so hard for me to comprehend that sometimes. And it's just like, even when people like, we'll see me and be like, oh, oh, that's Darren Waller. I'm just like, why?

Like, why are you coming? You know, I don't know. I still feel like I'm just like, you know, the same. Because you're like, it's, you walk around as the football player, Darren Waller, which obviously you're a fucking monster. But like, everything you've overcome in these last five years, like, you mean so much more to people than just football. Right. Like, personally, I look up to you. I watch you walk around all the fellas yesterday and everything else and out.

You're like, yo, that dude. like people are like proud of you and people are like fired up and then when you speak people listen because you've done so much to work on yourself like since then right you know what I mean yeah like I want you to talk about what you think about like when you think of this stuff like when you look back like man I'm really when you reflect when you journal when you have gratitude like what are things you look back on and you're like you're like proud of Darren Waller um I think I'm proud of the fact that I made it a habit to seek routes in my life that were uncomfortable. Like it was uncomfortable to go to rehab.

It was uncomfortable to, you know, go to meetings. It was just uncomfortable to work at Sprouts and work for the salary that I was working for, especially from the salary that I was coming from and just like all the humbling experiences that came from that. Even just training to get back to getting reinstated, you know, there wasn't really like a defined thing to work towards. It was just like, I'm going to work. that I get a chance, but there's no chance

guaranteed here, so I'm just going to work just to work, and then just, you know, staying, just working on mindfulness and things like that, just staying present to the moment really helped and not tripping too much about the future. But yeah, I mean, just,

and then not necessarily getting too high and too low with the cards that I was dealt. I got reinstated, but then I got cut, and I was on practice squad, and it was like, I knew they were going to kind of hide me, and because nobody was going to touch me with my track record at the time. But I chose, I was able and I had the skills to choose a positive attitude and be like, well, I can just, you know, this is me.

I'm being hidden for a reason. Like, I feel like God isn't giving me these things right away because my character still has to develop to be able to hold up a certain level of success. If I don't have, if it was given to me, the level of success I have now was given to me in 2016, it would be a car wreck. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, so, I don't know, just staying with the process and not being necessarily worried about when things would happen, but just, you know, staying in the work and focusing on, like I said, like my character development as opposed to when certain results would come my way. And then it's like, you kind of look up along the way and like my, like the results are coming and it's like, okay, but like a lot of people put their feet up and kick their feet up when good things start happening.

But for me, it's just like, I don't know, man. Like, I feel like if I kick my feet up, like, there's a lot, there's a lot of dark shit. I could go back to if I start getting comfortable. So it's just like, you know, staying in that discomfort. What are like, I just, you know, I know that's, that's tough for everybody just to create, like, that type of, like, diligence in their life. What are a couple things that you, like, I guess, hang your hat on. When you look back, not hang your hat on, but really attest things too.

Is it like creating a routine and having mentors or certain, or certain therapies in your life, because that shit is hard to do, especially when you come from, like, I can only imagine what, like, an addiction mindset is, but everybody, especially in America, like, it's all about chasing the next thing and being on this hamster wheel of success.

Right. And you always talk about slowing down, like, not worrying about results. Like, I know that takes a lot of, like, diligence to, like, cultivate that. Like, what are a couple things that you would say or attest to that you're like, man, these are a couple things I have to have no,

matter what that's going to continue to allow me to have this mentality about it. Is it therapy? Is it mentors? Is it routine? Is it structure? Like, what are those things? Yeah. My guy, Donnie, we call it non-negotiables in the morning.

It's like, you know, meditation and prayer. It's journaling. It's having a therapist. For me, he's going to meetings. Like, I went to a meeting last night as opposed to riding the, I don't know, whatever the shit they were on last night. They did the pedal thing down in Broadway. Yeah, I got connected. this old dude, child of Steve, came, picked me up, went to a meeting.

Like... What kind of meeting? Like a 12-step meeting. Damn, man. Yeah. It's just like an Episcopal church. And you just, you found him through somebody else or you found him through... It's a dude that I'm, like, an OG that I'm connected to.

I was like, I'm being Nashville for a meeting. He's like, I know, I know just a guy. And so I went with him and it's like, you know, going to meetings regularly and having a community of people in the meeting environment. And so I can have those people like, out of the meeting environment. outside of football so I can go there and just like, you know, be able to focus on the human being. It's reading books, you know, making music does a lot for me as far as, you know, filling my cup up. So it's making sure all those things are all in the mix.

You still making beats like that? Yeah. Told you I was making, I was making one this morning. And, hey, we need one. It's funny, bro. I may, um, so. We like don't have, we don't have one. I forget about beats all the time.

Like I'll make them and like I won't pattern them out. I won't finish them, right? And so the other day, I think it may be like a week ago. I found this beat and it was called RIP Ms. Compton. I made it the day that I think the news hit that your mom passed. And so I was like making this beat and I ended up going back and finishing it like a few days ago. And I was like, hmm, like it was just weird. I appreciate that, man.

You're going to get me emotional right now. Yeah, man. No, that's awesome. Oh, again, boys. How do you, how do you, like, how do you agree with that? Because my best friend's mom died, like, three years ago. And, and she died from alcoholism. And he's, he's sober now.

Like, his mom drank, basically, like, drank herself to death. Yeah. And it's like, and he's like, I don't know if that ever really gets better because he's always like, man, like. No, man, it never, like gets better. I mean, it gets, like, I guess easier to. cope with, but it's just hard, bro. It's just like, you know, it's one of those things where somebody that you just, my bad, man.

No, bro. I know it's all good to cry to it. It's just, like, you just get this silence. You know, it's just like life happens quick, bro. And when we were traveling to Cleveland and when it all happened and went down, it was just like a, you know, a blood clot. And it's just over. And this is a, it's just like, you know, people who are close with their parents

or you talk about your best friend or thinking of somebody enough to like, you know, I made this beat. And, you know, somebody like super important just leaves. And there's no like, there's no like cause or anything else. Yeah, I don't know how I like, grieve with it other than like feel these emotions. Right. That's what I feel like we talk about like over the last five years

for my journey. It's like the best thing for me is like feeling everything, you know, because the foundation of like addiction is like, I don't like the way that I feel right now so I'm trying to change it as quick as possible. Yeah. Realizing and feeling what you feel is when you learn the most, like and you really truly experience life, you know,

life ain't supposed to be all, you know, great and everything. Like there's loss, like, it's pain and stuff like that. There's like, if I try to blot out all the pain and everything, then it's like, I don't really have a realistic scale for what's good or not. And so everything kind of just gets numbed out. So it's like, there's no way around. And it's hard too because, like, being emotional in front of people's hard, like it's one of the emotions, like you wish you can just get away from.

Right. But you know it's not like, you know it's important and you know it's not as, again, it's not as big of a deal as, you feel. feel like it is, like, when it's happening. It's just hard, bro. Like, I was a mama's boy. And there wasn't, like, signs of anything happening. Like, she was, like, my accountant.

She did everything. Like, she would drive 16 hours to move me from house to house and drive by herself because it didn't bother her. Like, she would do anything, everything for her boys. And that's just hard. bro. Mom gets a free shout-out for show. Yeah.

Appreciate y'all boys. Yeah, man. The hardest part's definitely having a daughter now. But, yeah, man, that shit's tough. You know, you like listen to music. Shout out your song, JPM. That you sent me.

Guys like NF, you know who NF is? Yeah, I got put on them recently. Yeah, so when you said that about your best friend and his mom down at alcohol like his mom died like overdosing in pills and stuff like that and he's somebody like his lyrics grabbed from like a deep part of him that I'll sit there and like listen to but uh it's yeah it's it's it's not easy and it never will be and I've had a like a lot of people help me like give me things like Mike who came on he he had a big message to me when

it had happened that like really resonated with me on mastering yourself and there's always a little kid in you that wants mom or dad when something goes wrong and and uh yeah man like there's no I don't have an answer if somebody does like I'm all ears for it but I wouldn't expect you to it's like uh feeling the emotions man like

it sucks because you get pissed off when you think about it too much because you it's like the why question and everything else but right you realize you can't live in it that long because how would that person want you to be living right now? And they didn't raise you to not fold. I'm not saying like people who go through it.

Everybody grieves in their own way. But in my mind, I'm like, my mom didn't raise me to fold in times where you don't feel like you want to do shit. Or you just, yeah, you just want to sit in your feelings and like tell everybody else to fuck off. Yeah. You know what I mean? Right. I'll gather myself here fully in a minute. No, but I appreciate you saying that

And I feel like it brings up emotion too Because all of you guys were really Like there for me When you're playing a game And you know, I would have dudes coming up Solomon Thomas was somebody that I think about that I did like didn't Solid dude

Yeah, solid dude and everybody was like this. I'm just saying Solomon, but you come back in the facility after that, like week long of going on the funeral and everything else, and you're playing a game, like you're playing a performance-based game where I'm even at the funeral and everything else, and you're kind of wondering, like, man, I'm talking with Coach Passachi.

He was so good to me. Mayak, the organization was so good to me during that time. And you have the anxiety of, like, I need to get back soon, or, like, I had just gotten there. Right. And if I put two games and not being there like day, I like, they don't have any reason to, like, keep me. Right.

Or you just have those anxieties built up because we, like, live in this performance-based world. Right. Throughout our entire life with it. It's our career. Yeah. And when I got back, everybody, like, messages, like, man, Zay Jones saying something after a game.

Like, I saw everything. And the team just was so fucking cool to me about it. Not that people aren't going to be, like, good to you about it, but I just felt like, Like, when I got there, like, Solomon's, like, hugging me. And I barely known this dude. Like, teammates that I barely knew are, like, coming up to me, like, and you feel like they're really there in front of you.

They're not just, like, saying, like, hey, I'm sorry about your loss, man. Like, you, like, feel like they're in front of you and they're, like, listening to you. Right. So it's just brought up that kind of emotion. Now a word from our sponsor, Better Help. No free shout-outs of the boys of better help. How well would you take care of your car if you had to keep the car if you had to keep the same one your entire life.

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we are looking for beats, all busting with the boys. And again, man, I do appreciate you bringing that up. That was like, anytime that happens, I know it just gets really quiet around me. We're on camera and, like, lights are on and stuff. And, like, I hate, like, as men, you hate being emotional as it is. And it's just, like, you feel like it's tough to navigate. And for me, like, when I feel like I'm in that emotion, it's hard for me to, like, crawl out of it because I'm like, you just kind of want to sit here and cry harder.

But then you keep yourself from crying harder. So then I just start talking and you feel like in your voice and you just know like, it's just shitty, dude. And there's really no like perfect way to like cope with everything. But shout out moms, man. Oh, yeah. Shut out moms everywhere. Always.

But I did want to ask, like as you're kind of talking through like all the development that you've been going through, are there certain philosophies you lean into more than others or authors that you enjoy not more than others or that you like cling towards or, or books that you that you've read recently that you would that you would shout out or like put people on or like hey this this episode really helps me oh man yeah there's a book i read uh not too long ago it's called the ruthless elimination of hurry and it's a it's a pastor uh his name's john mark comer amazing author um just the way he breaks uh shit down and that book was basically just saying how like hurt like a like the spirit of hurry is like like the opposite of like a like a spiritual life because like we hurry from thing to thing or like we got to get this done or we got to get to this next thing you know or get to this next relationship or level up or whatever and it's like we don't take time to just sit and just be and like reflect and you know pray and just create and create that time you know that's where

it's like I really started owning like going on trips by myself and uh you know he talks about you know, taking a day sometimes to just be by yourself or like taking a day to like say no words like and just like be in silence. And it's just like things like that to just get you to slow down. And like there's this last chapter of the book where he recommends things to do. And he's like he recommends driving in the speed limit, doing the speed limit and being like in the slow lane or like seeking out the longest line in the grocery store and standing in and forcing yourself to wait and forcing yourself to like develop patience.

and to not like get things exactly when you want them, but to just like slow down and not be trying to hustle and bustle and move so fast and just like, you know, create this own pace or whatever the pace that, you know, God wants you to move at is what you can own. And it's like I really took from that because it's like, especially in the football industry, it's like, bam, bam, bam, bam. And it's like, you start to see like your coaches like mental health. They're just like shot and they're just like, like just strung out.

And it's like all these guys are in, and they're just like so. anxious all the time. And everything's so regimented. Like when you get done with practice, you want to go and do your movement work, your prep work, your recovery stuff. I got to go make this appointment, that appointment. Do you do these practices? Yeah. What are a couple that you've done yourself? I mean, after seeing it, it's like I can't unsee, like sometimes I do the speed limit one. Sometimes I don't. It's hard. Yeah, I'm not going to get on here in cap. Like sometimes I'll do it. Because like there's a lot of times, like you said, everything's so regimented and like my scudders like one thing to the next to the next. It's like I may have to like put the foot

on the gas to get there on time. Everyone speeds like you, yeah. Yeah. But when I have the opportunity to do, I will. And it's like whenever I go like, I'm in Trader Joe's, I'm like, no, I got to get that longest line. I just get that line and just like, you know, like pray in my head or just like just just breathe like and just like create time to just like connect to my breath and just be in my body. Because it's a lot of times I can just be like, think about what I'm doing like three weeks from now or, you know, like that or it's just like those things aren't really

serving me in the moment. Have you done the day without speaking? No, I haven't. But I've done where it's like I'm going places. And he says recommends like doing 24 hours in silence, like, whether it'd be like once every few months or like however often you can do it depending on like your circumstances. And so it's like that's why I'm taking these trips. Like I went to Lake Tahoe last week, Wednesday to Friday.

And I was there by myself. And you're just there by yourself. What are these trips by yourself like? So I got there. We recorded a podcast as soon as I got there. And then after that, I went right across the street from my hotel. It was like this beach. And you look over the lake, like the mountains.

That just looks like the ocean with like mountains around it. It's fire. And I just, you know, got some food. I'm sitting out there, smoke a cigar. Ooh, I love that. I just went to my room, made a beat. went to sleep and then the next day I got up early um got on a peloton and then just kicked it and then I got this dude to take me on a tour of Lake Tahoe like all around the lake it's like

all day thing like six hours or something and just seeing the different spots and just walking around taking pictures and just taking in all the scenery and you know so it's just a way like ways for me to slow down and just be there because it's like you know you come from OTAs and mini camp and it's just like ding ding ding ding ding ding all these things. little things. And it's just like any opportunities I can create, but it'd be a few minutes in my day or I get a few days to go somewhere like that. Like it's just nourishing for the spirit.

Damn, man. So you recommend it? Yeah, for sure. Like going on trips by yourself as fire. Yeah. People got to get more comfortable. No free shout out right there. People got to get more comfortable with just being by themselves, you know?

Yeah. Because like then, because I recognize that in like, you know, relationships with women. It's like you get to a point where it's like you kind of need them to. to validate you or you need them there to feel their love. But it's like, you got to come to that relationship with your cup full, like, loving yourself. And then it's like, y'all too can basically like link up there and, you know, already with love there. So it doesn't become like a codependent relationship, you know? And that's how toxic shit happens.

And that's, you know, been my relationships for a while, you know. So it's just like opportunities like that, like taking those trips and being with yourself and not distracting yourself from what you're thinking. but really just being there and feeling what you feeling and stuff like that. Like it goes a long way and it translates to the rest of your life. Is there, well, is something we can talk about? Are you a single man? You got a relationship going on? I feel like you were kind of alluding to.

Recently, like coming up on like three weeks, like infant phase. Three week anniversary. Infant phase. Yeah. You got her a gift? Yeah. Hey, Lake Tahoe. A souvenir?

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, infant phase. Oh, man. You guys got anything for Darren? What tier talk should we do? Does somebody, do you, one of you guys have something? Blas? Tight end that's out there at tight end you that you're like,

oh, like, this kid should be put on some guys' radars. Young sleeper tight in. Yeah, I mean, you're around. I'm always putting Foster at the top of the list, bro. Like, this is going to be my last year playing with Foster. Why you said that? He's a start, he's a starting tight in. Like, I mean.

You got the McDaniel's offense, bro. I'm talking. Yeah. But, I mean, it's like, his contract over after this year. Yeah. I was trying to get it out of him. That's why I say, like, it's probably going to be my last year because I feel like somebody going to offer him and see, like, you saw when he was in there last year, like,

and then, like, just the plays that he's made over the years, like, he made some freaky things happen. And it's like, he's a, he's a starting tight end. He's a ball, too. The dude loves ball. Yeah. He'd be coaching, like, he, he's, like, legit, like a coach on the field, like, slick. Like, he'd be telling other people. like responsibilities like somebody like like this he's like man you got this you got this

and like coach me up be like hey man don't forget to like do that on your stem like yesterday there's a riot right he's like man don't forget to like break your stem up and come back down and I was like damn you right bro like yeah so uh definitely foster um man all those dudes are good man to be real um yeah it's tough man how what year you going into year seven how do you uh how do you stay in love with like the game and the process of it and everything else. Because I'm sure there are probably times when you were going through your sobriety words where you weren't in love with the game and then you fell back in love with it.

But the monotony of the work, again, how diligent you have to be in like all the processes that goes into being a professional athlete, how do you stay in love with the game? I would say, I mean, just watching like dudes like YouTube. highlight mixes like when I was a kid you know shit like that yeah like watching dudes go crazy I'm just like man yeah like that's like that shit like that we love you know and then yeah kind of like I talk to about like when I'm like reflecting

and journalists like that it's you know when I'm out there and like I feel like I have something to give to the team you know then I can just you know I get lost in the moments just like being out there and like laughing with dudes and like you know they play music at practice and you get hyped to that and it's just like welcoming like the competitive spirit of like the one on ones and seven on seven periods and just like, you know, start catching a few balls and just like just being present, just like reminding myself every day of why I enjoy being out here,

like, and just like, you know, meditating on like when I was a kid and how much, you know, joy it brought me and realizing that, that joy goes away only when I like give it away or when I allow somebody to take it. Yeah. If I stay mindful of it and, you know, keep that on my mind when I'm going through individual drills and stuff like that because it's easy to shift the perspective to like, fuck I got this where it's like, settle, like, got to versus get to mindset. And it's like all that cliche shit people were telling us,

like you really implement that shit. No question. No question. Our money. Do you feel like who's the, who's the defender that has had your number when guarding you one-on-one? I can't really go with having my number,

one person having my number. Who's the, who's one person? who maybe thinks they have your number? I don't know. I mean, I know I always get big respect to Durman James because we always go back and forth. Like I win some reps, he'll win some reps. That's probably the most even matchup.

Most teams, like, throw a lot of different people at me. Like, there's not really just, like, one person that's just, like, following me around. So, I mean, there's one game, like, we play the Dolphins, and Byron Jones followed me around, and I enjoyed that matchup. That was, like, I got him a few times, and he was on me a couple times.

but there's not like one person where I was just like, I don't feel like, like he just won the matchup. I can't say that's anybody. Is there a backer, a linebacker out there that you would give respect to that you see and you're like, I mean, he's got a little more to him than the majority of these boys out here. Oh, it's a lot of good. I thought you about to ask like a linebacker covering me.

That's what I am asking. No. You see a linebacker on you, excluding myself. Like you see a linebacker on you, you're like, all right, I'm going to give this boy more profit. and everybody else in the league. I mean, I don't even really see linebackers. It must be, if it's like a zone,

then it's like a linebacker's in that zone. But man-in-man, I can't tell you the last time a lineback guard to be man-in-man. It's an approach situation. And you're saying there's no linebacker out there that they can hold you. That's what I'm saying. What about safety?

Very few. I put like going toe-to-to-to-to, like Derwin James, Justin Simmons. Mika-Fence Patrick is usually in the post. Like when we played it, man, we played a Steelers. There was just like a gang of people around me, like everywhere I was going, you know? So it's like, I don't know, they're not really putting these people on islands to play man to man like that.

If they are, it'll be like the Dolphins did. Like, it'll be like their corner or like your best coverage defender. But then it's like you throw Tay in the mix. They can't really. I was going to say, now it's going to be hard to do because. And not only that, but there's like, there's like specific roles within all that talent as well. Right. Like you got, I mean, on third down between you and Hunter,

and now you're adding Devante Adams in the mix. Right. Not to sleep on like Josh Jacobs is in the fucking backfield. That's all about them motherfuckers. And just dunk it down to Josh. I thought they're going to have to be like, well, shit, how are we going to play man, right? Yeah.

You can't do that. So it's going to be a lot of zones. Yeah, the most you can do is what double the stars, where you just try to pick out two guys that you want to double, but which two are you doubling because everybody else is on an island. Okay. there's nobody deep. All right, we're going to back off and play zone.

Then Josh Jacob. Yeah. It's like you have to give up, what, pass rush because you're going to win your ends to try and hit you or jam you or hit people at the line of scrimmage. It's going to be interesting, man. In what way? And like getting the ball.

You know, there's obviously so much talent on the field. Oh, yeah, good question. Yeah. You know, and I feel like that's one thing that the Raiders have done, right? Like you, for instance, you're established, you know what you are. Right. Comfortable with that. Devante Adams has had success elsewhere. Josh Jacobs has had success.

I think the Raiders have done a good job and bringing those guys in because they're comfortable with themselves. So I personally don't think it would be an issue, but you being in the locker room, do you foresee, you know, that being an issue? Just for the personality guys, I don't think so, you know. I came from Georgia Tech where I had 51 catches in four years So it's like

I know what it's like to have little I know what it's like to have a lot You know so it's just like But I think too listening to you talk about How you handle like one game you might get five Catchers or five targets But you're winning those games And the way you've had to deal with that stuff mentally

Mentally like yeah Maybe if you guys are like neck and neck Or you're losing the game It could be like You speak to the part of you To where you want to develop that vocalizing it little bit more like, hey, like, come on, D.C. Yeah, I'm built for these moments.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, where you got to say something. But also, like, man, that's true. Like, you guys have some, like, good personalities. Now, I don't know Devante at all, but him playing in college with Derek, and it seems like they have a really good relationship. He just seems like one of the guys. And we all know Hunter, like, that man's going to go out there and eat. If you don't throw the ball, he don't, he's going to pack whoever that catches it on the back.

Right. So I do feel like you guys got a good. core group of guys. Man, you guys are tough, man. I'm excited. Yeah, man. Toughest team in the AFC West? All of them, bro.

Yeah. He didn't fall for either. All of them, bro. The Fosters's like, you're not going to get me. I said, so we can agree that y'all are the toughest team in the AFC West. He's like, no, everybody. Yeah.

Should we do tear talk? Do we have a tier talk? We got a couple. You familiar with tier talk? No. Come on, man. I do. Don't do that.

Go into the best jerseys. Like T-I-E-R or T-E-A-R? Man, easy one to be best tight-in. I don't know if that's... You're tied-in' rap artist? That's true, but I feel like if we do rap, I mean, obviously, I got my list out there.

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your list. If you ever see my top-10 rappers list? No. It went viral. It went viral. Yeah. What was the list?

Yeah, because it's pretty funny. We definitely... Yeah, give us your top five tied ends in the league. Me, Travis Kelsey, George Kittle, Mark Andrews, Kyle Pitts. Net order? Yeah. Kyle Pitts, that boy, he's a freak now. Yeah.

Yeah, that dude seems like an alien, bro. Right. Like they had the draft on, and they compared to me, I was like, I mean, that dude, like, where I'm at now, but he's, like, 21. Yeah, yeah. Like, when I was coming out of college, bro, I wouldn't know, none of that. Yeah. There's, uh, right there.

There's my list. I mean, it's like, people, they ask you for your top 10. Come on, down. Talk to him. Who you rock with? Like, what do you think about that top 10 list? If that's genuinely, like, who you fuck with top 10? Like, that's cool.

Like, I fuck with it. That's all I need it. Oh, yeah. Hey, say less. Say less. Because it's like people are like top ten. And then they say, oh, you're top ten. There's like, oh, I'm thinking like, my favorite ten.

Like, some people are like, oh, no, man. Like, no, that's top ten. I got to check that. Yeah. Top ten of all time. I was out there getting checked. What's the, what's the, uh. But I was, uh, I was trolling.

Like, I knew what I was doing putting that stuff. Like machine gun Kelly over Jay Cole. Oh, yeah. I knew I, I know. I know people was at your neck. I knew I knew I'd roll. I knew I'd roll up the culture. Yeah, I knew I'd roll up the culture.

You got some of the tweets that people were supposed to reply with. Oh, bro. How much time you guys? You want the, you want, like, some funny ones? You want the racist ones? That's one right there. It's a couple. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Somebody goes, this is white national. A white artist in the genre of music created. Oh, yeah, they take that shit too serious. Come on, William Lloyd. Yeah. Kept by black artists. Yeah, that's serious, dog. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, somebody legitimately, and you go to their profile, you know how you come across some real political profiles, like you know they're all about politics. Somebody really put a quote input, this is white nationalism at work, right? It's a white nationalism. Hey, they're going to be taking life so seriously on Twitter. Yes, bro. Twitter. Oh, man.

Jerseys would be a fun one. Man, I was also thinking about Gatorade flavors. As I was smacking some Gatorade. Gatorade flavors? I'm a red fruit punch. Hang on. We can do Gatorade flavors. Bring up the Gatorade flavors.

And then like, I don't, when do y'all, y'all start earlier today, don't you? What time's right now? 9.06? The bus leaves at 9.45. All right. I'm not trying to keep you too long. I know you got to be there. You going over there?

We'll see. Hey, last night was a long night. Hey, and him getting up to a box at six, motivated the boy. I got up at six. I didn't start working out to like 6.30, but pushing the sled, hit an upper body pump, weekend pump before. I got over here.

I can't let this. I can't. What should take on, what should take on Gatorade Zero? Um, I don't, I mean, to be honest,

I'm not the biggest. I, I grew out of, like, drinking Gatorade, like just slapping Gatorade all the time. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, I'm gonna go back to the, like, yesterday there was like, G-fit. I was like, oh, damn, sick.

Like, now I can feel like I'm drinking a healthier Gatorade. I didn't look at the ingredients, but I'm sure it has, uh, was it sucralone, Shukralose or whatever.

Which isn't the best ingredient. It's kind of just like a little hidden. It's almost like a bunch of fake shit in Gator Zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Gatorade Zero, I don't know. Like I'm looking at those bottles, and I don't really know if I've, I might have had it a couple times.

Like in college, like I was big on doing G2 because the nutritionist was like, oh, this is less calories. Right. You know what I mean? But before that, it's usually just the original Gatorades. That red G2 tastes like cough syrup, bro. Yeah, yeah.

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with George Kiddo. We did fast food restaurants with Mark Michael Mayer, the kid from Notre Dame. We do, like, fun stuff like... Tight-in? That's the tight end. He looks like he eats weights.

I've seen him at the welcome event. I was like, who the fuck was that? His neck? He looked like, damn, who to see... I'm trying to think who he looks like, bro. It's like an animated character. Johnny Bravo. Slick, yeah.

Johnny Bravo. Yeah. His air flows. He's got the butt chin, like the cartoon buttion too. He's like him and Tommy. Him and Tommy Trimble walked over to where we were at

in the welcome event. I was like, fuck y'all security? Oh shit. But give us your start at three, work your way up to two, and then finish with your top dog. Three, lemon lime,

two, orange, one is fruit punch. That is all the classics. Now, can we go back on your three? Say that again. Let's give a little bit more detail. Like, let's give a reason why you might love these Gatorades. Is that like a...

Yeah, yeah. You cutting my top three? I'm not cutting them. You just rattled them off. And, you know, I give the people a little bit. Like, give them some entertainment. Uh, I mean, let me lie, man. You know, I just like the way, you know, you know, when you drink Gatorade,

your sweat turns the color that you drink, like the commercial. Hey. Yeah, those commercials were fine. bro. Lemon, lime, low key, is nice when you're, like, overheated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. Nice full, JP. Post-workout fruit punch is a different post-practice.

Like, I run to the locker, and I'm like, open the window, and I'm like. So when it's hottest out, when you feel like you're at your most overheated fruit punch, is what you're going to? I can't wait to get this red gate rate. Okay. What was your two? Again, you went so fast. Orange.

Lemon lime. See, orange. I fucking hate orange. I always liked orange-flavored drinks. Really? I liked orange high-seed juice boxes when I was a kid. Orange-old. Orange soda because of Keenan and Kel?

I was never really orange soda. Orange soda, great soda, and I was never really wet. You fucked with the tang? Yeah, I used to be on big... I used to keep a tang in my lunchbox in middle school. Talk, I feel like I'm going to go... I always do that breath, too. I realize that.

All right. Because I do need, I feel like I need a lot. What is that green one on the second row? Green is a sleeper, bro. No, what is that? Yes. What is that? Green apple?

Hell no. I never knew. That color is trash. I remember Powery had a color. It was like green squall was the flavor. That shit was ass. Yeah, Powerade struggled over the years, man. It's good when you made, you know.

Man, I'm going to go with. And green, green is a sleeper, by the way. I'm going to go with my tier three. I keep seeing different colors. I'm like, man, that's, that is one. Man, it's a big ass gatoria right here. I'm going to go my, yeah, I'm going to go my tier three is going to be like when I'm casually, like if I were to walk into a gas station, I'm going to grab myself a gatorade.

I'm going to go with white. White cherry? Yeah. No, that's a sleeper. I appreciate that. White cherry is a sleeper. My tier two, light blue. what is that one is that is a

yeah glass you freeze oh i forgot about the frosts all the frosts and i'm gonna go tier one just solely based off like you're fucking struggling in the heat that lemon lime hits it's different like when you are overheated but i wouldn't get it for really i wouldn't get it to be casual but when you're down bad and it's 100 degrees out there that's the only one i want them i don't really want them casually

that's what i'm saying when you said in game it's sparting it, like, spark me like, yeah, that in-game drink. But if I'm being, like, casual taste, everything else, I like white at three and light blue it, too. Those are mine. Anybody else want to partake in this? Anybody feel strongly about their gatorade options? We do a back-of-the-bus column.

I think we could really only refer to casual. Come on now. We don't really get in-game gatorages. Blas, you weren't out there and think of it out there in Afghanistan, and you found a gatorade? Yeah. We were drinking Ripet. What is that?

What is that? It's the worst. It's like an energy drink. It's like. Yes. It sounds crazy. She got 300 milligrams. Oh.

And something else. Like a white monster. Good God. Like the eggs games drink, bro. But you guys, come on now. Like, just because you're not professional athletes. Like, let's all not act like we haven't been in high school sports or even younger. And we're out there just fucking when are we going to, hey, mom, can we go to the

station on the way home? The frost is mine. That was my one. When you said it was your two, I was like, that's my one. Yeah, no one said the blue or grape. I fuck with the grape heavy. Well, how would you rank them? Three would probably be orange. And then, given the certain day,

blue, cool blue and grape could interchange for me. But I have to say probably grape hits number one for me. But also when you you take it too much, it gets a little syrupy. You can only have so much. Yeah, I agree with that, bro. Yeah, yeah, the fierce. Yeah, purple. Not the G2.

Or this light, not this light, purple one. That's ripped high rush. That one is. That one's you? That one's you? All the frost, yeah. He goes, I don't say that one. All the frost. All the frost. It's always that kind of syrup. Yeah.

Zero's are straight. Yeah, I'm sure they taste good, but I like, when he asked that, I'm thinking, like, I'm not sure. I know people that are zero haters. Really? That zero nasty, bro. I can't, like, but I don't taste that much different. Right. I mean, you know how everybody is.

They want to be purists. They want to be in with the originals. Them Gatorade purists, man. Number one, tier one is lemon lime in the can. The can Gatorade hit. We got to start getting those at the facility. Can Gatoray hits. They can.

is different. And Gatorade Re hits. Tier 2, Glacier Freeze, light blue, also good during games. Tier 3, Riptide Rush.

I like all, like, the lighter ones that you could have during games, but that aren't like G2. Which colors the Riptide Rush? Light purple.

Light purple. Okay. Yeah. See, I'm better, I'm better with just saying the color. Hey,

we were close. Hey, we were close. Matter of fact, that Lemon Lion can, you knew you were going to kill it with that one. Because that's detail.

That's like, that's detail you want in these conversations. Right. Okay. Like you say, you know, not just like, lemon lime,

group punch, orange. My bad. Right on. But yeah, that's that, that's that detail you want. I think my three,

starting at three, is going to be the, the blue right there next to lemon lime. Two, I don't know. Blue next to, you're going through blue. You're going with the royal blue.

Yeah. Who's that? Cool, okay, cool blue What's the other glue? Yeah, I was just thinking that What? The white one's not called white cherry, is it? Yeah, it is.

I thought so. I think I had one yesterday. Some frost, isn't it? Glacier cherry. All right, I'm going cool blue Yeah, white cherry. It's three. Lasher's are white.

And then probably the... Say the tier two again? I haven't got. got two yet. Three is the cool blue. Three is cool blue. And then two is probably whatever the light blue one is. Glacier freeze. And then number one is probably orange. That OG.

Is that one OG or is lemon lime OG? I don't fuck with the orange. I really don't. What's the OG Gatorate? Is it the lemon lime or the orange one? Oh, is Lemon Lime? Is it? Got you. Florida Gatorade. Florida Gator players. Well, that's why I thought it would be orange. But we could look at our rate.

we got a computer here. I don't mess with the orange, bro, and I feel like, I feel like because it tastes watered down to me. Like watered down, like orange Gatorade tastes watered down, like a watered down flavor to me. Don't have the G2 one then.

Yeah. Oh. Okay. I mean, to me, I feel like fruit punch is like the first flavor you go and anything you create. Hawaiian body arm. First body armor I had was fruit punch.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, body armor. hits. Yeah. Body armor is nice. Yeah, I don't think there's a bad body armor flavor. What's your favorite body armor flavor? Bring up the body armor flavors?

It don't matter. There's a coconut one I love. Do you like the coconut one? Yeah, it's like coconut pineapple? Yeah, fruit punch, strawberry banana, orange mango, blackout berry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Blackout berries are a really good one.

I fucking love that one. I think there's like a pomegranate one. Nope. That black bottle? Is it, I think that Black Albury Lemonade hits. Yeah. Yeah, Body Armor crushes it. They used to be a sponsor of this podcast.

I don't know for maybe a couple. They do, man. I don't know what happened. Maybe we weren't pushing product like that. But, dude, I appreciate you coming on. You need a ride. Sure. I give you a ride.

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