Bussin' With The Boys - Dave Portnoy Talks His Future With Barstool, Why People Hate Him & How He Got On Joe Rogans Podcast

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Recorded: January 18th 2023 | We made it to episode 200 boys so it's only right that we bring back the man who started it all... Dave "El Prez" Portnoy. The episode starts off hot as tempers flare and opinions are thrown out, but after things settle we get into a really in-depth pod with the boss man. We talk what Dave's role at Barstool looks like now that Penn has acquired everything, how long he plans to stick around, what it was like negotiating our new deal, going on Joe Rogan, and of course some Nebraska and Michigan banter Thank you guys for being a part of our journey and the driving force of us getting to episode 200 we can't do it without y'all!! Here's to another 100 episodes boys. 0:00 Intro 10:00 Super Bowl predictions 29:50 Dave interview starts 43:00 Dave is the reason McAfee and AJ Hawk are doing what they are doing 49:00 Why people hate Dave and Barstool 55:00 Business Insider and New York Times articles reactions 1:02:00 Barstools move to Chicago 1:07:00 Million Dollars Worth Of Game contract negotiations 1:09:00 Dave is boys with Meek Mill 1:16:00 Dave's plan for his future 1:40:00 Finding Caleb Pressley and his Joe Rogan Experience 2:00:00 BFFs podcast with Josh Richards 2:10:00 Dave's Gf thought Taylor was gay 2:30:00 Big 10 talk 3:20:00 Is Dave going to become and actor? ---- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/ FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ---- SUPPPORT OUR SPONSORS Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. WhistlePig: Click the link to buy our BWTB Barrel Sport Clips: Sport Clips. The Pros in Men’s Hair. Blue Nile: Save up to 50% at https://barstool.link/BlueNile Gametime: Use code BARSTOOL100 to get $100 off your Big Game tickets Black Tux: Go to blacktux.com/BUSSIN and use code BUSSIN for 10% offFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Get that link a little slash, put awards in it. It's so you can take you all there. It's going to take you there. You're going to enjoy it. You're going to love it. It's going to be an amazing thing. Our guest this week is the infamous David Portnoy. Dave was on episode 100.

It's crazy to think that episode 100, we were still doing the dance. Like, what's our relationship with Dave? We work with them. We work for them. There's really a whole bunch of gray air of what's going on. what is this thing really going to turn into? And I will let you know in the last year and a half or however long it's taken us to get to episode 200,

the friendship levels have really just done this. There was a moment there where his fiance or his girlfriend thought I was gay, Rones, everyone thought I was gay. That was a fun little bonding moment for us because that would be at the end of the day. We don't know. At the end of the day, I don't even know the answer for that.

Everyone's a little gay. I'm just trying to figure out what my meter is, boys. What percentage are we at here? We have had, um, the man's amazing. Uh, he was on. the very famous Joe Rogan podcast, number one in like 93 different countries. We talked about why people do not like Dave. We talked about Dave's cloud stories, what he gets into, those types of things, how we think

Barstow is going to change, right? Barstow is going through a changing of the guard right now where Penn National Gaming has officially purchased. I believe it's already happened. The transaction is complete, if not about to be complete, where Dave no longer owns Penn gaming. What's that look like for him? What is his contract with Barstool?

When his contract ends, when his contract ends, does he re-up? What's he going to do next? Does he go and does his own thing? Does he go work for somebody else? Or does he go right off from the sunset getting those real meaty tan starting to look a little piece of a little leather? He looks a little leathery. And that's okay because he's got a good little vibe about him. My man spends all his time in Miami.

He shows us his house. I believe he, in the episode, you guys see a piece of his house, right? Correct. It's incredible. It's an amazing time. A lot of stuff on the horizon for the boys. Obviously, the tier talk this week had to do with pizza. We went best pizza chains.

And I'll be honest with you, we are on different parts of the spectrum when it comes to what we believe is good pizza when it comes to just the chains. Well and I, very humble, very grounded. We have not been cultured in the way of the pizza world, the way Dave Portnoy has been able to do. He had some names. He said some names I've never even fucking heard of before. But it's an incredible time. And you guys are going to have an amazing time.

more amazing times on the horizon. The boys, you're listening to this, it's Tuesday. We're filming this on Thursday right now. Why am I giving you some insider information? Sorry, it's Friday right now. Why am I giving you this insider information?

Because this weekend, while we're uploading this little piece, the boys will be headed to maybe the greatest state in the Union, Arizona, for the Super Bowl. Because best year of us with the boys history, 2023, we have to deliver to you, we've promised.

and you guys have been delivering to us what we've expected and hoped, and that is views on views on views on views. You guys have been absolutely incredible. What a wonderful, crazy life you are getting not only myself and will to live, but the boys in back, the experiences we're able to have, the experiences we're able to do, because you guys subscribe, unsubscribe or resubscribe every fucking day for us. We don't deserve it, but goddamn, boys, we really fucking appreciate it.

We have a huge Super Bowl lineup. Obviously, Monday and Tuesday, you're going to be able to follow along with us all. our boy Mitchie, who's right now on the computer like Rayman or the guy from Italian job who had the music taken away from him. He's out there fucking stopping lights, making red lights turn green, green lights turn red, and maybe yellow sometimes if you're little caution, making sure that we have the ability to keep you guys up to the present of everything we're doing

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planes, trains, and automobiles type things. You get into Arizona. Now we get to all hang out. And we're having a beautiful time. This is like a melting pot, baby. This is what America is built on. Is this melting pot? All these people coming together. together in the great state of Arizona, and we are lucky enough to be a part of that, not only because of the boys in the back working their ass off, but also you guys every single day doing that. It's going to be amazing. This episode's going to be amazing. I think we need to do shout out. You know what I forgot to say?

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So JP, you're sitting in Blas to see. We are going to start with you, sir. Let's hear what you have for your shout out. No, for a shout out of the weight. My shout-out, no free shout-out of the week, goes to that good ice. Oh. You know exactly what I'm talking about when I say the good ice, and that's the best part about it.

You don't even have to describe it to anybody. Everybody knows it's that tiny pieces of ice. That's sonic ice. That's sonic ice. And it's no better feeling when you go to, it's like a gas station fill up in the styrofoam cup, and you go and put your cup up there, and the good ice comes out. Good ice.

Even when you get the good ice, you might not. even get a drink after that. I have this ice to chew on now. I might not even need a drink anymore. I've already got a little present. It's like a treat. It's like a treat. You know what else rips about it? It's not just the texture and the crunch of it, but the sound it makes when it falls in the cup.

Oh, brother. Oh. Yeah. It's a dump. It is a dump. Because sometimes you put it on there, you hear like the machine's grinding like, fuck, we gotta get some ice for this guy. We got to work into that. Chronic ice is ready to fall. That shit is ready. It comes correct. Absolutely comes correct. What an outstanding

start to shout out no free shout out of the week. Jackie Boy, what do you have for us? My shout out no free shout out goes to being productive on a Friday. I had a super productive morning and you know the Friday sometimes it goes either way. If you're productive, great. If you're not great because it's the weekend. It doesn't matter. You're already, you're letting it loose a little early. But this morning I got up, got a bunch of stuff done. Had to run with Aubrey Mills, you know, did this and that. We came here. Did a secret interview. Can't talk about. It will be out by now, though. It will be out by now. We'll be able to actually go and say it.

Hey, fuck it, dude. Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it because we might not be out by now. Buddy, it's supposed to be out in the next 24 hours. I tweeted, big news coming. Big news better fucking come. Otherwise, I'm gonna look like an idiot like the Tom Brady tweet.

That's out of those tier ones that are still with us that didn't skip to the Dave interview. They get a little bit more of an information. But I think we wait. We wait. Who knows? All right, aye, aye. Just wait.

Yeah. Shout out, no free shout out. Getting shit done before the weekend starts. And that's it. Outstanding, Jack. Good stuff. Amen. Garrett.

So my shout-on-no-free shout-out also has to do with ice. Oh. So it could be the first life hack we were ever introduced to without even knowing. A couple weeks ago, I did a little throwback, made some ravioli. And that shit was hot. What did I do? I went to the fridge, clicked the ice, dropped an ice cube or two in there to let it cool off a little bit. Yeah.

My shout-out goes to the first life hack we learned putting ice in your ravioli. Hey, listen, that it might be an underrated boy there. Getting that nice, hot little tasty treat a little bit earlier than you needed to because you don't want to burn the roof of your mouth, that's an exciting one. That's a good one. It took me back. I did it without even, like, thinking it. It just naturally happened.

When you said the first life hack, the first thing that came to my mind was creating popsicles. Ooh. The ice ice ice ice. I shouldn't have said that. I should have fucking said that. I should have just took that for my shout-no-free shout-out this week. But with the toothpicks? You make some lemonade or some high seat or some shit like that?

Damn. I thought you ready to hit me with that. That was, boys, very good shout-on-no-free shout-out. My shout-out-offrey shout-out is, I think it's going in line with Jacks a little bit, being a little more productive. And that is the night before bed getting your outfit ready before the next day. Oh, yes. Dude, that happens.

1% of the time. But when you are able to think about, maybe let me just put this little shit together real quick and I'll just have, hey, here's my pants, here's my shirt, this is what I'm going to wear, boom. That morning you wake up, because there is always a tiny bit of a scramble that goes to your head like, fuck, dude,

what am I going to wear? What kind of vibe am I going to try to present to the outside world looking and taking a little investment to me just from an eyes of you. And this gives you the opportunity to make that decision the night before. Billionaires do it, boys. Billionaires do it. Maybe we should all do a little more.

JP. I have one question. When you're laying out your clothes for the next day, how do you lay them out? Do you lay them out like unfolded? Like how you're, you know what I'm talking about? No, no, yeah, yeah. No, that's a little too, like serial killer. That's a little too serial killer.

I have a mannequin at my house and I dress the mannequin. I go, I'm going to look great in this. I just pictured Taylor's massive clothes on the floor. I'm laying out there. Well, boys, you know me. Like, I got like three outfits during the week. I've usually just take my pants off by the bed and then I put them back on. But if I know I got some shit to do in the morning,

But to me, the best benefit of your shoutout is the stress-free shower you get to experience. When you know the second-year-in-out, you go, oh, my clothes are waiting for me. They're waiting to get on my body. I'm just getting out. I'm drying off. I'm in and out. No lotion for Jack. Just in and out.

No, deodor for Jack. Just little in and out. That boy, Ashie. Dude, it is a nice little feeling. No, for me, I just take it off the hanger and I kind of just throw them. I have like this little hangar. Hang out of the hanger. You're like rich.

Yeah, boys. You watch you. I got lots of hangar. dude we got lots of hangers out there in the Luan household um you brought up showers and i know kfc radio talked about this shower uh shower in the morning or shower at night what's our vibe on that do we want to save this what do you mean just i don't know if we i feel like this could go i guess we can be short with it we can be short with it it doesn't have to be a long discussion but boys we're doing an intro this is our time this is our time for the four of us to enjoy our morning i am shower at night

all the way there it is now there's no other correct answer out there. Right. Look, we've talked about this recently. I like to work out at night as opposed to the morning, so I'm obviously going to hit that night shower, but

there's nothing better than getting that fresh cold water on you, like right in the beginning of the morning. I mean, just getting the fucking shit rolling. I don't know. I'm a both guy. And maybe that's not as eco-friendly as I want to promote. But hey, there's enough water to go around.

All those older mothers out there listening, everyone knows, Jack's double clean. Double clean, bro. Also, don't, hey, when you said that fresh cold shower in the morning, are we a little bit of a biohacker out there, homie? Dude, there's some mornings you just got to throw it on cold and you got to suffer through that shit. Yeah.

And it really will change you. I'm not going to go out there and be that doctor guy that everyone is. Like, the cold tub is like right now, like you've been on the cold tubs for a while. It's like a huge thing in the social media realm. Everyone's, you know, making their own cold tubs. they got on the back porch. They're trying to do the bathtub scientist.

Like, yeah, it does this. And I agree with all of it. It's out there, too, trying to tell us what to do. But I don't need a guy who works construction telling me how a coal punch is going to affect my, you know, metabolic rates. You think you're better than them. Yeah, obviously. Obviously. But cold shower is sure.

I'm both guys, though. All right. I like that. Mitch, I saw you pop up in the back. I want to get your opinion. Go ahead, Bub. Sorry, Gary. I didn't mean to cut you up.

I just thought, you know. I'm a morning guy all the way. Psycho. I just need say psycho I wake up You don't shower at night That's dirty as crap Bro I hate when dudes say crap

Instead of shit I hate when dudes do that But go to Mitch is not about JP right now I wake up right in the morning Go right down to the gym workout in my apartment And then just shower And then I'm good for the day I'm not doing like throughout the day

I'm not really like sweating all that much So I'm not really per se getting dirty you're smelly. Like, so that's just in the morning you wake up. Like, it helps wake you up. And then that's what it is. You cold shower or warm shower? I normally do warm shower, but like in the summer when it gets hot,

like just nothing beats a cold shower. That is a good little move there. Unless you keep your room real cold. I keep my room cold. So do I. Yeah. I can't sleep if it's hot. Yeah.

Hey, I don't know why that brought me back to the pop school thing for the shout-out, no-free shout-out. But everyone just forget I said that because that's going to be my shout-o, no-free shout-out next week. Huh? Oh, that. Started to notice people that do the morning showers just like to flex, that they're either taking cold showers or they're working out early or whatever.

There's some weird flexing going on with the morning shower people. There's impostering. There's some posturing going on with those people. Garrett, it seems like we got a two to one. It's a two to one right now. Are you a morning or your night guy? I think it's about to be two to two because I'm going to have to side with JP. Wait

Mitch in the back goes Let's go Mitch said morning correct Yeah Are you morning morning? I said Is it can you No bro

You know You're not that clean dog Oh I am Oh shit You're Jack 2023 No All right If I had to choose

I got to go night Because I'm I hit that gym at night So I'm not gonna be You know dirty ass in the sheets Yeah yeah you don't want to be dirty ass in the sheets JP, you said night? Night, yeah.

So at night, night, morning. Jack took the words out of my mouth. I'm not going to be dirty in the sheets. Yeah, I'll be dirty in the sheets. It's a nighttime shower. You got a nighttime shower because sleep is the most important thing. And if I get in my bed and any part of me feels out of sorts, yucky.

Fuck that. Yeah, you don't want that. I can't sleep. But, I mean, I didn't shower this morning and I felt great. But I showered last night. I thought about taking a shower this morning before a big time exclusive interview. we had, but I looked at the time. I slept for 12 hours last night. It was incredible.

Well, you showered last night, so you're good. I did shower last night. You showered last night. No, I'm not, I'm gonna be real with the people. You said I'm dirty. We know Taylor's dirty. I said you're not that clean. Yeah, there is a big difference there.

Dude, your boy does lack in the shower department sometimes. It's kind of fucked up to say. I do, there is a feeling though if you're a little dirty and I get in the sheets. I'm like, fuck this. I gotta. Yeah. I got to rip this real quick. to use the soap. You just get in there, rinse. Get in there and rinse.

Yeah. Just rinse it out. When you get longer hair, though, you know this. You get it gets grimy fast. That's why I got to do it because of my beard. I got a nice little facial treatment too. I don't know if the people are seeing what's going on with my face, but it's getting younger by the day.

I do have a nice little thing, but that does it might make me make my hair a little more oily. Let me put a pet in this real quick. I'm going to hit this game time ad for you guys. Can you zoom that in for the boy real quick? Can you just zoom it in? Hey, let's rod dog this ad, boys. Don't say that. Okay, got it.

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Oh, I forgot to say mine. I'm a nighttime shower guy. The big game. Who we got? I'll go first. I was the last one to speak, so we'll just flip it around, right?

We'll do that and we'll come back. I simply put, I believe the Philadelphia Eagles are too good. I think I'm worried about Patrick Mahomes. He has the ankle. I know he doubted him before and we saw what he did against the Bengals. Him losing his receiver,

whether it was a pelvis, a knee, an ankle, blah, blah, blah. Patrick Mahomes is the best young quarterback in the NFL. He's a generational talent. If they win, I am more than glad to eat these words. But I believe the Philadelphia Eagles top to bottom are a better football team inside and out other than the quarterback position.

I think Jalen Hertz is amazing. I just think Patrick Mahomes is the few. He's a baby goat right now. He just came out of the womb. He's sucking on the tit still. He's doing his thing, getting his legs about him. But boys and girls, we are witnessing a goat. And what a better time to witness a goat

as one goat leaves to another goat enters. JP, who do you think is going to win this game? I got the Eagles. Boom, we got two for the Eagles, boys. I'm Fly Eagles Fly. Fly Eagles Fly. Is it consensus? We're riding with the Eagles.

We're riding with the Eagles, boys. You've heard it on the tour of the episode. The Boys on the bus, Skeleton Crew, Skeleton Crew. So we know Bloss is not on here. We know Mitch is not on here. We know exactly who Mitch is going to go with. But based on the gentleman we have on this bus right now, we are a Fly Eagles Fly podcast for the next week when this episode comes out.

What an incredible time to ride. And it feels good. Now, we're all riding with the Eagles. What would cause the Eagles to lose this game? What is going to be the reason why the Eagles fall? Is it just Patrick Mahomes? Is it Travis Kelsey? Is it the defense?

Is it Chris Jones? Is it Frank Clark? Do you guys have anything in the back you think that would unseat the Eagles in the situation? We're flying Eagles flying for this podcast. Big AJ Brown fans. The only thing it would be is injuries. Other than that, it's a lock. Wow.

if Kelsey Mahomes get going that's what would scare me they're such a they're the Tom Brady and gronk of the new era and if they get going in a game like this on the stage that's set that would make me super nervous as an Eagles fan but other than that

I think the Eagles have been willing their way to this and willing yeah and I've been a team on the destiny from the beginning and if the Eagles win I think technically we all win because there's two X Titans on the Eagles, Brett Kerr and AJ Brown.

So maybe... We should get a ring. And I think so too. And I'm already reaching out to the people to see if that's possible. So tune in next week to see if we do get those rings. Yeah, even if it's a cubic circoneum ring, we don't need the diamonds in that.

You go and put them fake boys in there. We'll do Claire's rings all day as long as it says Super Bowl. Can we say Super Bowl? Super Bowl? We can say Super Bowl now. We just can't say in an ad read. But if you were going to go to the Bay game, you can use a game time app.

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his usual number one, two, and three receiver, they're going to double Jason Kelsey all day. He's still going to have... Sorry, Travis Kelsey, I appreciate you guys. They might double Jason as well. He's an outstanding center. Travis Kelsey is a fucking stud. He'll get out there.

He'll have his catches, but he's going to have the ability to make the yards he can with double coverage guys over him. That's yet to be seen. You can't just rely on one guy. Now, if the Eagles do win, which we expect them to win this football game, I am extremely happy for A.J. Brown. What a fucking dub he has put on.

He has posterized. He has dunked on the Tennessee Titan franchise. And that hurts me to say. I was a teammate of his. I got two massive Titan fans in the back. We're all hurt at the fact that A.J. Brown is no longer on the Titans. But we can separate that. We can move that over to the side.

Look at this main course of A.J. Brown being traded, being paid, setting a receiving record for a massive franchise with a huge fan. based with a lot of great players that have been on it before. Now we can look at that and say, man, if he gets a ring, good for fucking A.J. Brown. What a stud. What a hard-fought individual to stick to his guns and what he wanted, getting what he wanted,

and making people pay for that. Now, we're taking shots because of it because we're Titans, we're Titans podcast. Whether people like it or not, we are biased. Pat McAfee loves the Colts. We love the Titans, and that breaks our heart, but we can also be happy for A.J. Brown. Is there anything I'm missing before we jump into this Dave Portnoy

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with Dave Portnoy. Please enjoy. Is it where we rolling? Yep. All right. Thank God. So just some context. walks in here guns guns fucking blazing right away

he walks in no no no no no no gun it's an hour blazing an hour to half to get that was 11 o'clock busiest place in Nashville on a Wednesday you shut up late an hour like how what time is right now I believe it I believe it I do so Dave walks in he gets mad at us that

we don't we don't confirm listen we confirmed we said hey are you down to go he said yeah when we said this day he said I can do this day so we did that day just if we're going to start the first punch was thrown by well you're late you know respects it's like well right so then it's like All right. I've always to go on a dozen when I was one minute of late.

You're like, would you show up late for a meeting in the NFL? And I said no. Correct. I immediately said no. Right. I know you ever. I know. How many guys on NFL roster?

53. So if you're 54, 53, you show up early. If you're one, if you're the owner, you show up when you want. You're not the owner. Hold on you. You see what's happening. You don't know. You don't miss.

Yeah, but I do. No. No, brother. We're partners. No. How long is the contract? Hen is. We are as long as your contract.

Four years. I own you. No, no, no, no. We'll have a call-a-daddy situation real quick. We'll call the HBO guy, dude. Are you fired up to have us again for another two years? Yeah, I mean, I don't talk to you as much. You don't confirm.

You don't do nothing. If you confirmed, I would have been here on time. Although probably not, because the pizza review did take a very long time. So that last comment, you just gave yourself away. You would have been late regardless. So what are you arguing about? No, I would have gone earlier to the pizza. Like the pizza we went 11.15, you would think that would be enough time.

Yeah, you'd think so. But how far was the pizza away from here? Pizza's fire, by the way. You did your best. However, you were still late. I certainly. Could be late is to be forgotten. I certainly would have sent a text, hey, I'm going to be a late, but you guys don't

communicate. So I didn't afford you that's been locked. I don't communicate. I don't understand why you can we don't communicate. Because when someone's traveling, you're like, hey, we're all set. We're still doing. You guys don't. If I didn't.

If I didn't reach out, this would have been the first time we talked. We went through this. No, no, that's not true. Yeah, we did. We went through this last time. When were you going to reach out? The first podcast, you made me talk to Gaz, because you weren't responding to me. And I had to get with Gas on when you were traveling in.

When were you? We can bring up those receipts. When were you going to reach out? If what? I didn't reach out. Hey, it was still on. Yeah, yesterday. Yesterday.

Yeah, because you reached out and said, hey, noon. And so we just said, yeah, because you're a busy guy. That's it. That's exactly it. So those are part of us that wants to be respectful of you coming in. We don't know what you're doing. That makes those. You confirmed on Monday, Wednesday at noon still. Correct.

And then Will said, yeah, that works for us. You went town overnight. It was confirmed. That was for us. That is confirmation. Yeah, if you want to swing by, we'll be here. We'll be hanging. That's how that.

We've been plotting this sort of episode for the last 50 episodes. Read those. You know I don't do well reading, but I will. Monday, 7.09 PM, Dave Portnoy. Wednesday at noon, still good. Will Compton. Yeah, that works for us. You in town overnight.

Work for us. Dave, well, I would hope you know. That's why I was asking. I'd be coming in tomorrow night. Will. Okay, out Wednesday or staying until Thursday. Dave, out Wednesday night. I didn't say anything in this group chat.

Correct. So, like, just so I, I, walk my ass to a commercial flight, get on the plane, I'm taking commercial home. So before I board my plane, I want to make sure this is happening. That's not crazy. I would expect some

communication for you guys. I pulled up last night's receipts with Caleb. Well, hang on. I know it last week. Caleb knows that here. Caleb's been with the program for it. I was like, hey, you're in Nashville. We're all going to grab group dinner, right? I'm like, well, no one's fucking asked me or talk to me. Am I responsible for playing it? I don't know.

I said, I'd love to. I'd love to. Let's, let's We're going to know the Vandy basketball game. I was going to push that aside. I go talk to Will, talk to Taylor. Let's get a group dinner. You said no. You said yes. So I'm like, all right, fuck it.

I'm going to Vandy game. I'll see you guys tomorrow. No, that's not at all right. I don't know what happened. No, it's not. I think the group chat was speaking for Wednesday night. Yeah. No, wrong.

Yesterday at 6.14 p.m. Here we go, boys. 6.14, by the way. Presley, 8 a.m. B. Dave is deciding whether to stay tomorrow for dinner or get out of town. No, no, no. That's what the receipts say. Do you guys have obligated?

Are you going to grow up? For tonight? Yeah, my wife has a workshop. I got to be home and be dad at 6.30. I said I got to be home at 6.30. And I said I can get food after the pod if you want to get food after the pod. And then you said, you said, uh, that's just somebody. Depends how his pizza looks.

Okay, maybe tomorrow I'll see how I'm doing on pizza. I'm at lunch. Yeah. So we can, the option for lunch is still open. And I were talking about last night. Well, that's, I mean, how do you talk about last night at 615? It's the best first five minutes of a podcast we ever had. Here we go.

I'll pull it up right fucking now. And by the way, again, you're going to get back to this 51st guy on the roster, right? I mean, yeah, your wife has a workshop. I don't know what the fuck that means. Whatever, she has a workshop. Great. I don't know what that means. But coaches in town, O's in town.

Hey, babies are this. I get some face time. I guess the guy is in town. Let me stop you. Let me stop you real quick. You do not own this bus. We don't have to talk about contract negotiations. We work with you.

Who is your 100th guest? You were. Who's your 200th? You. Guess who's going to be our 300th? And guess you? No, no, no, no. Guess you thought about the 200th guest?

Us. Yeah. He didn't reach out to us. And guess what? Caleb, you're coming to Nashville this week? Yeah, just landed. He asked my TV situation disaster. His TV disaster.

How long are you in town? Should we do dinner? With everyone, I go, I leave tomorrow after episode. He says, would say next time I'm Florida bound after a Super Bowl. I could do something later around eight if people wanted. I was maybe going to go to the Vandy game. Totally up to you. There's solid restaurants.

I mean, it's short notice for Will and Taylor, but if they're in, I'm in. Common miscommunication. Yeah, just a miscommunication. But I think that's what we're talking about at the end of the day is communication right now. If we were saying that last night to go to dinner, yeah, that wasn't what was communicated. It was Dave's assigned. That's worse. You look worse.

No. He was 24 hours. Listen to what Caleb said. I thought you had 10 minutes. He goes, Dave is wondering if he should stay another night or not. I thought you said no to last night, which I get because it was. It was like quick. It was like an hour and a half.

You said you can't rearrange your plans in 24 hours. What is this workshop? In Caleb's, and Caleb, oh, hang on, that's my wife. That's her work. She's doing her work. She's a carpenter. She's a carpenter. Workshop.

Yeah. Yeah. That they're holding for the managers, whatever they're doing. They're all doing like a little team building thing. Yeah. A little workshop. And you know, I gotta go on dad mode. I know, I get to work and play a lot.

So it's like the, you know, it's the least I could do. Yeah. Yeah. But the babysitter thing, then I have to, it's a lot of. Yeah, that shows right. This is all leading back to why you didn't get the, hey, I'm going to be 15 minutes late. You didn't say, hey, I'm going to be 15 minutes late. That's why you didn't get it?

I texted at 12.05. This is an intentional. I'm not, I'll show. But why would you not do that? That's a reflection of you. No. I give what I receive. I give what I receive.

No, no, no. You could have texted. I'm going to 15 minutes late. Then you could have came on here and been like, I communicated. You guys did. No, no, no, no. People know me. I just ask.

I give what I receive. Yeah. No fashion boys busting balls. Yeah, fine. Good old fashioned boys basketball. Speaking of the fucking that kicker, who would he play for? What kicker? No, no.

The fucking guy who missed five field goal, extra points. Brett Maher, he was my class. He was my freshman guy. He's your guy. He's our guy. You knew that. No, I didn't. Who are you going to go to school?

Who are you going to school? My arm. I didn't know. Yeah, you did. No. You see this little shit in your face, bro. No. Why are you flying commercial?

What's going on? Do you want to talk about your finances? Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, lead from the front. I'm not going to be crisscrossing country on private jets when the stocks in the Why? Why give it? Why is the stock so low right now?

What's going on? The entire stock market is low. Yeah, but isn't Davey Dazarder making a comeback? Yeah, it is. We're going to bring that back in March once the deal, I'll have a little more deal once our deal with a little more money once our deal with Penn officially closes. So then I can go spend. When is Penn, when is Penn officially closed? I think it's supposed to be February 1.

And how is that feel to know that you're no longer going to be the boss? Nothing will change. that like I mean ultimately I haven't been the boss for since the churning deal they bought 51% of it so that's what that was what five years ago but I still have final say um content and five years ago or was that that was like six years ago no no it might have been three years ago no no it's more churn it we signed with you guys in a week later it came out there's eight years ago wait turn in clue I'm talking about pen I'm talking about pen okay Penn was three years ago Penn will be three years in February the first time he sold was churnin 51% that was so it's been like eight years where I haven't if someone really wanted to put their foot down be like you're not in control you want to do this fuck you we're doing this that's been eight years but no one's ever done that and I'm not a crazy person so on the business side if someone really feels strongly I generally can be convinced like they're doing it for a reason like you know the gambling shit I mean you're seeing a little into the world it's crazy so I understand

there's things I'd like to say there's things I like to do at times that I cannot do and I understand I made that deal. I'm not a fucking crazy person. I'm not trying to submarine everything. Yeah. What do you mean by you made that deal? You're not a crazy person. I signed over like when I signed the majority.

I took the money. Yeah. I understand people bought it. I don't want to fuck the people who bought it over. They bought it. And there's things that can say or do that can make the overall goals. Take, for example, this gambling. There's people who are trying to get regulated in Massachusetts.

You know, they're in one of the people, they just fucking hate me for a variety of reasons. I hate them, like really hate them. For a variety of reasons. Correct. Probably I hate them double what they hate me and they really hate me. But I don't say anything because it would complicate us getting our license in Massachusetts. So who leads that conversation then if they hate you that much? Definitely not Dave.

No, no. No, no. It's the pen people. They do that? Yeah. Erica will sometimes get brought in like because a lot of the reasons that people, it tends to be pretty similar. and I'm sure you guys have seen it by now. The people don't like us tend to have the same bullet list.

Like, you know, they're sexes, racist, chauvinistic, whatever. So Erica is a very good ambassador of like everything you think is wrong. They don't care what I say. So she comes sometimes for people who really hate us is like, oh shit, like she's the CEO. Like that sometimes helps. Not why you hire her, but it does help. Yeah. But I'm sure it was one of those, hey, that is a good deal, that she's a woman.

Totally. Like, and people say that forever. I've told the story. When we sold the first time, we got a recruiting firm to interview CEOs. And we had probably 70 interviews, all mail, hated all of them. One of the first things that happened after they buffed 30%. Yeah. I maybe one made it to the second round.

So I would meet them first of like if this person is interesting, at the time they went to Dan, Kevin, and K. Marco, like the next group. Everyone had to be like, yep, we like this person. Maybe one made it to the second round. In the second round, everyone was like, no, we don't. And I didn't really like that person. either. Erica, I met by accident. She just happened to be at a meeting. I was at.

We hit it off and everyone loved her. So it was never, I mean, the heat that was on us was not on us like it is now. So it wasn't like, oh, she's a female. That'll help. It has help, but it had nothing to do with the reason. Yeah, there is definitely like a thought process about Barstool

that has affected us even. I was doing a puck drop for the outdoor game at Nissan Stadium. It was like Preds v. Lightning. And I was wearing a Barstool hat and they'll take the hat off. I was like, I'll just Sharpie it. So I sharpied it. I sharpened it. I sharpened the little logo on the side.

They're like, can't do that. Which is wild because Biz is doing stuff directly with the NHL. Nuts. It's all the way across. Even with the regulators, they'll be, I've seen articles like the talent at Barstool, meaning our people, they're like a thousand times worse than everywhere else. People say that.

And they're like, the other companies don't have it. Well, go look at Fandul. Who's their guy in McAfee? Who do you work for us? Go look at draft kings. Who's their guy in Boston? Caravis, who do you work for us? They just don't like us. And it doesn't matter. It's like everyone's plucking from us because our talent grows and becomes sick.

Even like Alice Cooper, like, no one ever says she was, she came with us. It's, you know, whether you want to go look at million dollars worth a game, there, we just have so many people across so many different things. And when I say us, I mean, frankly, a lot of it's me. People don't like me and they view me as the brand and they can't separate it. So, uh, it. The hockey crowd's crazy. They're a unique crowd in it.

Very unique. It's self because like where our biggest sport in terms of the athletes is hockey. Like the NHL lives, breath, sleeps, hockey. We have by far the number one hockey podcast with spitting chicklets. Like most sports, those are stuff in there. There is nothing else in hockey. Like they're the voice of hockey. Biz is like the Charles Barkley of hockey.

Yeah. And you still get what you just said. I wonder, um, I wonder how that. that market's going to grow because hockey has does such a good job. Even their players are really not allowed to show personality. Have to wear a suit. Can't wear like Jordans and stuff like that. There's really no dressing up.

It's like clean cut. Who is the, who's the black dude that played for the Preds? P.K. Subban. He's a big Barstall guy. Yeah. Great guy. But he was louder and more boisterous and he got out of the Preds.

He's been treated a bunch. He's a stud. Yeah, he's done. I think. I think he retired. Did he retire? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think he did.

But he was a he was a stud for the Predators for a while. I wonder how that's all going to change. is, yeah, that spit and chicklets is really good. They do a phenomenal job. The hockey's niche compared to the others. Yeah, but how do you not look at spade and chicklets? And if you're another group of hockey players, go, we're going to do that too. Yeah.

Well, biz, just like anything, let's flip it to you guys doing football. You'll know this better than I will. It's not that easy to find the guys. Like, they have the perfect combination of biz is amazing. Whitney's amazing. And rear admirals, like the perfect kind of. sidekick in that thing. So that's not easy.

I mean, is there like, I don't know of any in hockey. You guys have the football background. You got all upset when I said that, the active player thing. But like who else is doing it in football? Yeah, but I think he's done that a couple times. Who else is doing it?

Well, like you said, we don't own you. No, no. One of the time he said it, I do give him the benefit of that that he was drawing a blank. But yeah, it's like, who else is in the football? We're, we're, now the Kelsey brothers. The Kelsey Brothers.

are in it. I think a lot more, like, it's a lot smaller stuff. I know Cameron Jordan did it with, who's a running back? They went to Alabama. Mark Ingram. Mark Ingram. They did a podcast for a little bit, but it was like just off-season stuff like that, but it's definitely grown. Yeah. We were like the first ones active. Maybe A.J. Hawk. We had that

conversation all the time. Like, AJ did a couple episodes and they're a cat. Yeah. Well, AJ Hawk, like, that's he, that's me. I mean, that, AJ Hawks with McAvey. That's right. It did start. Because of you. I introduced them. There was like a college football tour thing. Yeah. Yeah. So we, um, When McAfee worked for us, we were doing our college football show.

And I don't know whether we, maybe we were at Ohio State or something. But AJ, AJ was one of the first athletes that I was aware of who was taking the media side, not on TV, but like podcasting very seriously. He had something called the Hawkcast, maybe still does. And it started when he was on the Bengals. Yeah, he did a couple episodes. He was taking very seriously. And so I think he was just looking around the internet being like, who, was doing what, started following Barstool,

connected with me, I went on his podcast, talked, we thought about hiring him a little bit. He was still doing stuff, but we needed somebody at one point for a college football show that McAvue was on, and AJ came over, and they met and hit it off. But yeah, that's how they met. Yeah. All roads

leads to Barstool across the internet. Yeah, but you see the way you're talking. You can understand why people would be... That's just a fact. No, no, no, but you talk, you talk indefinance. Like, all this is because of me. I did this. I brought them together. The only way AJ and Pat are together.

Like, if I don't know, if I don't know you. That's a fact. Yeah, I'm just saying. But it's the way you word it. You do a great job of weirdly taking credit for all the stuff. No, no. Let me, Pat McHaghan, you listen. You're super star.

I think it's like, I think it's funny because you play into it. Like you know people kind of hate. Yeah, but I'm serious. I never meet if it wasn't. They're not together if it's not. But the way you phrase it. Like you're so like, listen, I'm not coming at you. I'm saying the viewers who are watching.

You can. What's that? I did post you a little bit. You're doing a lot of them. Is this the camera? Pat MacVee and AJ Hawk never meet if it weren't for me. That's just a fact. Right.

Yeah, I know. I'm not saying that's not true, but I'm saying like if you're like, hey, people don't like me, people associate me with barstow and because that's why they don't like barstow. That's not why they don't like me. No, no, no. Sport clips. Consider this. Not every hairstylist created equal.

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It's the overconfidence that will turn people off a little bit. And I like it. Will and I know you, but I'm saying people, oh, you don't like it? No, no, I thought you were going to put me in box or whatever you're about to say. No, I'm saying I can understand, like, people can be turned off. that kind of confidence. If someone doesn't like me because of that,

they actually like me. You need to let's look a little bit more about that. Let's hear a little bit more. The Howard's Thurn. Like, that's like people who, that old like the movie when he's like, they're coming in and like, we got this weird stat. People who love Howard listen for five minutes. People who hate Howard, listen for 10.

That hate overconfidence. That, that, the people who truly truly, really hate me. Hate me because they think like I'm in. That's not someone who thinks I'm evil. That's someone that he's an arrogant cock. Like I can deal with that. And they're probably paying attention to the Barstall world. Right. And we have people in the Barstle world who part of it, which we've always wanted, it's real, but it's like WWE. It's like, I like that guy. I don't like this guy. But you're paying attention to the world. You need black cats. You need good guys. You need all of it. I like that. Yeah. There's people who truly, like whether it's

the Business Inside article or it's interviewing Trump, there's a whole side. There's a whole of hate I get that is not rooted in like we pay attention or giggle or find anything entertaining. It's like he's or they are the problem in like the world. I got a very real different type of hate. Yeah. That's the ones that are tough to do. I don't care.

Someone's like, oh, he's cocky, arrogant. Yeah, it's a little stickish, a little. The AJ Hawk McAfee's not. They literally met because that, I'm being serious. Now, maybe they would have met, but they're like together. There's synergy, the chemistry. We introduced that probably doesn't happen, but I'm not like,

McAfee's so successful and so talented. He's going to be successful no matter what. AJ's perfect. But you need synergies. You need things to meet. Right. When you started Barstool, you're just dishing out newspapers,

having fake sponsors, a couple of real sponsors, fake sponsors, and you grew it into this empire now. As you grew it into the empire and you see like that evil hate vibe that are coming from people that actually hate you, at any point,

where you like, that had to affect you at one point? The only thing I really got to me was the business and it's IRA, which was a sexual allegation shit because it was brutal. Like if you read it, and again, people do it all the time. I try to compartmentalize with other people. If you read it and really didn't do research,

if I read it and didn't know myself and what I've done and what I have, I'd be like, this guy's fucking a problem. Like, this guy's Hitler. Right. So, you know, that really bothered me just because it's like my parents are going to read it. At the time, my girlfriend, her, I hadn't met them yet.

Like, they read that before they met me. It's like, who the fuck's this guy? So that shit really, that was the only time I've been like down. Like, man, this is, you know, to be totally, it was a little bit like frightening because it was patently false. It's not like 0.000-1 could be true. It was just not true. It was based in fact, fiction.

And it's like, I knew that. And yet it was out there. And it was being spread. And like, I always use that, like, Mina Kines, that ESP, like, she retweeted that article. I'll hate her forever for it. It's like, how can you fucking retweet that with no knowledge? And then when I did my defense, which I think any objectively minded person who looked at

be like, he's telling the truth. He has receipt after receipt after receipt, after receipt, backing him up. And it came quickly. It wasn't like the second it came out. It's like, 10 minutes later, it's like he's put together this defense. She ignores that. Like, to me, how do you do that? Like that.

ESPN girl, or the people that were. with the ESPN. It's like the person wrote it, I think, agenda and all, and I tried to sue. I mean... Did you be able to forgive somebody like that? If she did. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe.

Because I'm with you. It's like when that was happening, whether people would hit me up or not, it's almost the first reaction is, okay, well, have you seen everything Dave's put out there? Because there's a lot of people who can see all the messaging. Because business is, I mean, a massive audience. They can go out there and people who think you're an arrogant cuck, whatever it is. And they don't even look at Barstool because they're just like, I'm not a stoolie. They just see the art.

article and see nothing else. It's like, well, this validates everything that we've thought of and I still get it. And I get, I won't change the opinion for the most part of people who hate me. They're always going to hate me. I don't care. But there's something that really elevated of what I'm usually accused of, which is a joke that went sideways or something like, you know, singing a lyric to a song that I shouldn't have five years ago. I can live with that. I make mistakes or went to do it again. But that, like, girl running away from Dave, like that, that was tough to see. Yes.

Yeah. I sued. I tried. I spent my own money. I didn't get anywhere. It's so fucking crazy. And the issue of the internet, it's out there forever. Like, I had, my freshman year, uh, this girl got tangled up with one of my best friends

who was a football player. She says that I threatened her. And to this day, this is, I was 18 at the time. I'm 31 now. So do the math on that. People still bring it up on Twitter every single day. And it's like, I can't literally say. anything, but it's not true. Right. And now, like,

I have two girls. I got to tell them when they're older, hey, you're going to see things about dad that I have to literally explain to them at a younger age because it's going to be accessible to them. And it's like, fuck, dude. The craziest thing. The girl guy stuff, like that is, like, all the other stuff, like the lyrics, all that. It's like, you can fuck up, say something

and be like, hey, I messed up. Right. And then move on. But the girl, that is one of those things where it's like people draw the line so fast there. And even me. And it's crazy because that, what you just said. So they wrote the article and we had the lawyer and I do the entire like my defense and like, are they going to issue a retraction? Will they have to take it down? Because I thought it's like I proved it. And the law is so fucked up. Like it's actually news now. Like they wrote it. But now it's

news. So they can justify, well, this is news. It's a public figure's news. So yeah, that was fucked up. I mean, I'm over it now. Sort of like, you know, I'd love for them to have a real failure and whatever they want, I want them to be very unsuccessful and miserable, but yeah, that's the only thing that really that side of it. And even like the New York Times shit that just came out, not too long ago, it was more on the gambling side, but that reporter who was writing an article on me, I knew about it for a year. What was the article about? It was, it was more about me being a degenerate gambler. And it's like you shouldn't be associated with gambling. But the woman, she was actually responsible who wrote it. She has a Pulitzer for getting

Bill O'Reilly out of Fox News. She did a whole thing on them and really brought down him and part of Fox. For a year, I was getting calls. Like just on my social media, any girl that I followed, followed me, mentioned me, anything, Reddit, you name it, she had called them. I don't even know how

she got the phone number being like, you have stories of Dave, you have this. So for a year, I'm waiting for the New York Times to basically drop a very similar hippies. No, they didn't get anything. And she switched it to Dave's a degenerate and his dad. that he's degenerate. But it sucks to know at any time somebody can just drop something on your head.

That's not true. Yeah. So. Like degenerate is such a gray area line, though. Like, how do you qualify as a degenerate gambler? These people said, Dan does the can't lose parley. That's what he called. I saw that one.

That was not too long ago. Yeah. This is the same thing. They're like that you can't do that. You're telling people it can't lose. It's like, are you serious? Yeah. I mean.

Isn't it the same thing, though, when you see like a fandual commercial and they're like, bet a $100, get $200. You can't lose. We get treated differently. That's the nuts and bowl. of it. For whatever reason, we uh, you know, we just do. That's just

comes with territory. So for Penn, for Penn to be truly successful and really compete with these like the rapid growing gambling world, how do you get rid of that stigma so that like Barso can be the head of that? And be treated fairly with everybody else MGM. Yeah. Well, I don't know

that that matter. I mean, as long as we get the license, it's like we got shut out of New York which is the reason they gave was our technology wasn't up to par, but we used the same technology as our competitors. So, I mean, somebody somewhere did something. But other than that, we get in the States. It's interesting because we're not playing the same game right now.

A lot of if you're like MGM, Fandil, Draft Games, they spend so much money and they lose so much money. Like, draft games could be out of business in six months and I don't think tons of people would be surprised. What do you mean when you say lose so much money? Because they're spending so much on talent to promote their stuff and then they're not really seeing it through. Yeah, they're not customers? They get customers, but they're, well, they're public. So they put their earnings and they're losing hundreds of millions of dollars every quarter. Penn is not in that game.

Penn's different, the Draft Kings, Fandual, a little similar more to MGM, but they have physical casinos. They make money as a company. Yeah. So they're not interested in, you know, spending hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising. Try and acquire market share. Correct. Because they acquired you guys, which you guys are a market share. Yeah, and even...

You know, they kind of did it for the brand barstool without doing it on a singular person. Right. And the problem in the gambling industry, if you look at it, I think what people are worried about. So Fandul, Draft Kings. Like McAfee is not,

using him in his example, is not owned by Fandul. He has a contract. That contract comes up. They're going to have to fucking write another gigantic check to keep him or whoever the company is, and they're going to have to continue to spend

advertising in NFL and the question people have investors or, you know, money guys, if they stop advertising, what happens to those customers? Does somebody who like Barsool, but there's not all these promos and these things? And now no one's advertising. They just jump right back to us or go somewhere else. So is it like fools gold, basically?

Like once you stop spending all this money, how do you keep your customers? Because they're just, are they going to be loyal to a brand? We're probably the only brand they're loyal to. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the space. Now, you see, you lost your license in New York. We never got one. You never got one.

Yeah. Is that a reason for the move to Chicago? No, that's just Dan wants to go there. Dan wants to go to Chicago. I don't think anybody in New York outside Kevin who's there, like loves it. Like, I'm a boss. A lot of people, it's probably similar. People love where they're from.

Like, I love Boston. I'd love to go back there. But no, Dan just wants to go back home. Now, so why did you move to New York in the first place? Just is. When Churn and bought us? No, Churn and bought it. Yeah, sword.

churnin bought us and there's really four people at the time for let me dan kevin k marco and the concept was the first 24-7 blog reality show smitty too in philly he wasn't in the discussions because he's lazy um so it's like let's all come under one house and well you guys have been you probably know because you're out here when there's a lot of people around it's easier to create content you sometimes just fall into content you don't even know what's going to go on so it's we need we knew we had to go under one city. And to be honest, Kevin at the time was going with a kid. So it was the hardest for him to pick up and move. I was willing to go New York. Dan was willing to go New York. So he said New York. And it's a good place for media. Like, I don't know, Erica, probably we

wouldn't have had her. It's harder to draw talent in Boston or even in Chicago than it is New York for media. Yeah, because people do their PR runs. Yeah, exactly. So that was the vision. Like make it every like celebrity, like, celebrity, whatever, who comes through New York, they want to stop and bar, Stool, DuPont, stuff like that. Do you ever think, like, think back on the time when you sold 51% to churning, like you could have went about it another way to keep that ownership. Like, okay, maybe I can go on my own and hire a CEO. No, because we are at a time when something had to change. I think Dan, Kevin were a little bit fed up with me, I guess, at the time.

I fed up's the right word. It's a band that had been together a long time. And I think there you were to look because we were just kind of cruising. And I was starting to make pretty good money. They were making okay money, not like they are now. but it's like what's the next step for us like you know I started it I predated those guys by 10 years maybe eight years like I was doing the newspaper so I had been added a lot longer than so when they started there was a very clear hierarchy like I was by far the biggest and they were coming along and by the time that had been sold they were both you know big names in their own right and continue obviously you seem now so it's like all right we got we don't want to be making you know a couple hundred grand I don't even remember what it was at the time what's the next level and it made sense okay we can take a jump and you know all make out like fortunately there's another boss coming in versus dave swinging the sword

we're all in the same yeah it's just it was a clear path for them to get where they where we've gotten which they're all very soon going to be like multi multi multi multi millionaires because so i owned 100% of the company and when we did that first deal i just sliced it off it was part of it's like, all right, here's percentages for you guys. So you all own now parts of barstool. So if we get to this next sale, because turning came in and it was very clear, our goal is to sell it. Like, we want to build it and then sell it. So they got the percentage. It's like, all right, we're all now trying to get to that next step, which is the pen, which is the big transaction that made them all like every, you know, everything worth it. It's like everything we did was worth it. How does

everything change with pen coming in? Nothing. It won't change. It. So, the the pen deal was similar to turning they're like you they did deep dive they're like we're comfortable with you guys we trust you guys jay the CEO is awesome if he has any issues he calls me and he in we never really totally disagree like he always every conversation is like hey can you do this or whatever he prefaces like you do what you want but like it would help if we did this i've never had an issue with anything he said um and i would you know you can't guarantee it i don't think i would ever sell to somebody that I didn't feel like totally get us like I have you guys met jay assume obviously have you i don't think we have met jay um was he at the uh upfronts i don't know he was

was in arizona Arizona Arizona Arizona the Arizona no he wasn't no no no that's like me at the up like just uh like normal like blue collar background worked in Vegas went to Harvard played football at Harvard he's just like a good guy like you you again you can't always anticipate agreeing with everybody, but as long as you think someone's like, rational and you're going to listen, it's good. So not much has changed. And this second transaction was done.

Like, a lot of people have gone a little confused. I don't say confused. When turn and sold to Penn, it was always this sequence of events. We're going to buy this percentage and then three years later, the rest. I don't think they want to buy it all right away because they're government regulated.

They didn't want to, like, scare people right away, so they wanted to ease into it. But this, This was always all the way to the price. Like everything was built in three years ago. So nothing is really changing with this. When you did the sale from three years ago, did you escalators? Like, hey, if barstool starts reaching these numbers? Yeah.

But they were all within restrictions. So you couldn't go above a certain number. We're at the highest number you can go. But it was always you can't go above this and you can't go below this. So it was pretty wedged in. But there's going to be no change as far as like the hierarchy stuff goes, like within the offices. You know what I mean? Like Penn takes over all of them.

No, no. Because it really, like I said, for lack of a word, it was already that hierarchy was like already there. So if Penn came down like, we really want you to do this. theoretically, Chernin could have been like, we still own the majority of the company. So no. But they knew they were selling it to Penn. So it really hasn't changed. Like Penn doesn't tell us what to do on the content. It's more, I think, back end starting now to move more like migrate systems over, accounting. things like that, but not the content's pretty, pretty separate. Like, they know why they bought it. I mean, there's stuff like you guys, for example, where I can't just be like, yes. Like, I know that's like a big ticket item for us. I can make sure everybody knows that.

Could we have maybe like slid that in even if they're like, no, no, no? Yeah, I guess we could have. I wouldn't because like, what, do you want to start a relationship like that? Why are you saying like, yes? Like you have to like, why are we a conversation because you don't own us? No, I didn't mean it like that. Still like negotiating. Yeah.

Like they're trying to pay. They're trying to spend. They got to spend money and they're trying to. They got to still clear it through panic. You guys are paid by us. Why am I saying you don't? But like you guys are well paid. You enjoy establishing that.

No, I don't own. I just found that bit in the beginning. I was just trying to play off of it. Right. So it's like, by the way, it's not that really you guys aren't. that different from we've morphed a lot because like we don't own million dollars worth the game like you know they came to us we re-upped with them um they're balling yeah they're massive unbelievable yeah unbelievable you know what i was thinking that what they do which i don't know

that you guys do which is a huge advantage for them is this like they'll they'll drop everything and go anywhere we're starting to we're starting to look at the big plan for 2020 yeah because that makes it a lot easier, obviously, to get guests. Yeah, yeah. If you're willing to come to us, then they'll do it. There are, there's like, there's guys that's like, are you bringing the bus? It's like, I mean, we're not. We can't bring the bus.

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and use code game day 23 for 50% off the bundle. And with that said, subscribe on subscribe. We subscribe. Back to this episode. Like I did um what the hell's the Jeff Jeff uh Whittick you know who Jeff Whittick is he's like kind of a YouTuber big he's big he's one of the Cali guys uh he does a barbershop he does his thing is he'll interview you he has his own hair products yeah but he'll do like his interview of his

gas he's had everybody they have millions of views um on a barbershop he has what i would say cut this like here puts it on trailer someone drives it around is Is this him right here? Yeah. See, there it is. He actually gives the haircut. No, is this the guy that walks up to people in the middle of the street and go, hey man, can I get you cut?

No. That's not that guy? No, he has a full, if you play this, like, play that. You'll see he pulled this up to my house. So you could theoretically build a mini and have one of your minions just drive it around. Like you can do, it's what he had. Like, if I was younger in the game, it's like, oh, I would do that for myself us interviewing it.

Then you can pull it up anywhere too. And you can pull it up anywhere. But as far as like being able to jump in, jump out, and I have to worry about a lot of logistics. It's almost like the whole pick up and go, like million dollars worth a game and them do. It's almost like that's easier versus like, hey, let's make sure all this stuff can.

Well, yeah, if you have someone that can drive, you can almost get like, see, that's his mobile. He's driving in it right now. It's like his mobile set, and it literally looks like a true. It could be a deal. They've sitting here putting us on game. Yeah, there it is.

I'm sitting outside the little. He's just sitting stools. But he goes in when he cuts to the head. That's good. That's a good show of thigh. Yeah. That video right there. So that's his, that's his mobile set. A little airstream. We got the airstream right there. Yeah. And we could definitely do something like that. That'd be cool. I think like, for this year, our plan is say, go to people call bigger A-list names and be like, we can come to you right now or the next two weeks.

Problem if you're trying to get guests is. Yeah, that, yeah, because Nashville is a great little hub for people coming in, but it's not. as big as like a New York, Chicago, or L.A. stuff like that. How was the negotiation of getting a million dollars worth of game back? It went well. And that probably speaks to both sides. Like, they really want to stay. And I don't think they were like, we're not going to

hold you hostage for the top because they were getting big offers from a lot of people. But they're like, you guys have been great to us. We want to stay. For us, they're so unique. Clearly, we look around. We're a bunch of white guys. We have the number one urban podcast. So it's huge to keep.

But it was saying we had to go Jay. And I said, I'm like, and I'm pretty honest. Like, call her daddy, that number. I'm like, if you want to do it, I do it. I think we already have her audience who knows who we are and we'll never make money on it. She'd have to be perfect. So it's like, you know, Spotify's paying a ton. I don't think, I don't know if we'll make money on million dollars worth a game,

but I think they're so good for Barstool. That's like, I would, if it was my, that's not look at everything. Like, if it's my money, I would keep them. So, and he saw it the same way. I mean, they've done so many things under. Like Dion's not with us without them. So they, you know, open doors. And again, I always tell like the,

or my favorite clout stories. I was in Miami. And this club was, you couldn't get in. And I know a lot of the owners, so I could get in the door. But you got on the doors, shoulder, shoulder, couldn't fucking move. And I'm not a big stand guy.

So I tried to walk into like a corner as with my girlfriend, a bunch of like big black, like, nope, can't come in, can't come in. Meek Mill saw me from behind. He goes, that guy, he can come in. They push aside, got his end. Because Meek is really good friends with million dollars worth a game.

That's awesome. You're the million dollars worth of the game. Everyone's like, what the fuck? That is hilarious. As you walk in proudly. Yeah, right. If, like, somebody to know any of the names involved, they're like, that guy has no chance to getting to that corner.

And it's like the seized part. It was top moment. What a feeling. Yeah. feeling that had to be. Yeah, standing in the clubs is not. No, it's the worst. Clubs are not that fun to me in general.

I hate them. Go in there, it's a mosh pit of sweat. Yep. And then horny guys everywhere. It's just fucking tough. I'm all. Horny boys everywhere. I'm old now.

Hey, you're old. Do you have a girlfriend? Horny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but no, you can be horny sitting here. You know, you don't have to be like a fucking club. Three horny boys sitting on a mic right now. Yeah.

But that's Miami. Miami is our boy, Gaz. I mean, he's... He runs Miami. That is not true. He goes like a guy. He goes out in Miami. Talk about gas a little bit.

What about him? How's he been? I don't say a lot. Because the boy catches a lot of heat out there on the internet. He does. He doesn't cheat for. Just being a guy who doesn't do nothing but go to clubs in Miami. Which is probably like pretty true, like 90% true.

So he's an OG. I mean, he, I've said he put in the time. He's been with me. He's really the first employee. So he's been with me forever. And, you know, he's in like, semi-retirement in Miami. But he's still, he knows the company inside out. He knows the bodies are buried. He's just, you know, I trust him with anything. But, you know, the day that

Business Insider article came out, my lowest point, he was in a club in Miami. I mean, it's like, he's not going to fuck. He's just getting, he's getting into the court. I'm trying to get some pub for gas. Man, he should have been there. Who was the first people to call you for the business insider? Who were like, like, the rider dies? They were like, hey, we got your back. everybody for the most part everybody at that point Barstool sort of had my back like I wrote an email just being like hey

it's coming out it's not true if you have any questions let me know but most of our guys I always think it's one of the the compliments to Barstool like the original guys are still fucking there so they know me pretty well and I guess what you know the shit that goes on a bedroom maybe you'd be shocked by somebody but I think

they know I don't lie you know and and it also also helps maybe if there was the second hesitation, then it's like, well, everything he's been saying, he just dropped all the facts to back it up. But most of the people knew it was coming. Like, there was nobody really, like, even my parents, like, I let them know it's coming. And I let everybody know, I could tell it was taking a pretty dark turn by what, because girls were calling me leaking, like they were taping their conversations with the reporter, so I could hear, like, the line of questioning and what they were saying.

So I had a pretty good idea what was coming. And that's pretty good awareness. Yeah, I mean. You didn't know that stuff's going down. Yeah. I feel like I'm not aware like that. If girls were calling me and be like, so how do you feel about just asking me questions? You probably would in the sense it was so exhaustive the research on me.

Like if someone just went and I don't know what like for a long time, I mean, I was a single guy. So I was on social media. I don't know. I had a lot of people, girls that I was following or they were following me and they were all contacted. Yeah. So if you're just getting weird calls out of the blue, I was getting girls I never spoke to, never met, being like, what is this about is very exhaustive and you know if you have a thousand people and just 30 of them are like hey have you heard about this you start yeah yeah yeah like weird shit's going down no doubt

when talking about all the uh the talent the ogs that have been there what what's it look like in the future because i would assume now that pin is acquired i mean you have a deal that's up in like 25 similar to when we're up what's it look like for you beyond your deal so i think i'll always be attached to it. You know, like, I don't remember what we're arguing about. My favorite parts of it aren't like what you and I did, like negotiating contracts and shit like that. I really don't want to do that.

Like, I, I, after probably two years, like, I'll still be there, but I don't, that shit, like. You won't be able to help make decisions the way you were this past year. I don't think he will. Yeah. People ask me, but I'm not going to be on the phone, like, negotiating and things like that. I'd give my opinion, be like, yeah, I think we should really keep Will and Taylor. Like, I do it. But I'm not going to be arguing. I don't know what time it was and shit like that.

Like, I'm pretty happy in my world. Like, honestly, I'd like to do more, um, I love. It's weird. It's nothing to do. Well, it kind of does. Like the, when we did the Barstool Fund and even like this pizza place, manis, I went before, like, the whole family was working. It's like the dad, the wife, the daughter. Like, I love businesses like that. I would love to do like a more like a more detail like a half an hour show diving deep into like basically businesses that have been like

generational that I like doing that it helps the people people like watching it so maybe some of that maybe more like more of that is what I've thought it's crazy how much of pizza thing is taken off like knowing the story of like you and Dan got to argument if you can eat burritos or pizza longer and then you've taken

this thing and turn it into it's a monster people like pizza like 2020 when all that like COVID shit was going down. Like you just, we were putting things out. Like, I felt like it was like twice a day.

The fruit. Yeah, COVID was big for me personally and big for the brand because we're internet people. But we call her daddy happened during that. So that was a big part. The unboxing, which was unintentional, was fucking huge.

Trump. That shit was funny. Yeah. Frozen pizza. So just it was a lot of shit was happening. And the stocks. Like all of it. So I was waking up doing stocks,

going to bed, doing the unboxing, doing the frozen pizza in the middle. Yeah. It was, and people were trapped. Yeah. And then all I had to do was consume exactly what Barstall is. Yeah.

Do you see yourself always being in the content game? Like, do you ever get exhausted? Like, I mean, you do a lot of shit. I have. When does it slow down for you or when does it? Well, I got the two more years. And then, I don't know, people always get confused. Question you get, not just for me, but for like, a lot of people start businesses.

They just assume, like, you'll have that itch. Like, you'll want to keep doing it. I do not think that's me. Like, I could go on a beach or go on vacation. and totally unplug and be done. Like, that is something that parcel people say I'm full of shit, like, that I have an ego that I need to, like, be out there.

I disagree. Time will tell. Keep in mind, I didn't have my name out there in the beginning of Barcelona. I had five aliases. It was like a business. It was never supposed to be me as a personality, but you just throw so much fucking shit against the wall.

And what was sticking was any time it became more personal, like me talking about like my life or, whatever it is and the same truth of the other guys, that's what differentiated us. It was like people are interested in Austin. You guys see it. They're interested in like your life, you know? That is how. How are you going to play into a little like have fun with them knowing you're going to piss people off, but everyone kind of knows what's about to happen?

Yeah, right. The inside joke of it. Yeah. And even like, you know, I posted a picture. So I built a big fucking house in Miami. It's not done. I saw that. Like, they hung the TV like an asshole.

It's like, it's crazy how they did it. I mean, it's literally crazy. So I posted that. It's like one of my bigger tweets in a while, but it's, it is an asshole tweet, but it's like a joke. But it's an asshole tweet. Yeah. Now, to your point, if people can't see that I'm kind of joking, I'm not joking. That TV has to be.

Right, right, right, right. But I'm joking. Pull that tweet up. Yeah. Do you, uh, do you feel like in the beginning you were more, you were more into building the whole business thing than you were the content game? And it kind of just. They went hand in hand because the bigger my brand got, it helped everybody and vice versa. You know, I mean, that's crazy. It should be centered.

Centered. Yeah. And the flowers. And the flowers. The flowers, the whole thing. Yeah. It's insanity. How many square feet is that house?

I'm not a square foot guy, but it's fucking huge. It's huge. Yeah. We're talking about open concept? Yeah. You can see from one side to the other? Yep, pretty much. And if you just go through that wall, there's a little thing I could.

call it the ocean. Which is nice. That's got to be a nice It's not standing. This one thing I call the ocean. When is that going to be done? So it should be done around April, March, depending on this wall thing, but

yeah, it's been in the works for a long ass time. It's been almost two years. They've been working on. Building houses suck. It's the worst. It is. And then you have a budget and then that budget gets blown out of the water. And you're basically held hostage. Yeah, he's what do you do? Right. Yeah. All right, fuck you're out. It's like, Now I just got an empty house.

And the thing that fucks me up, too, is I'll be like, hey, people who are doing the house, show me things that are in the budget I've told you to show me. And then they come, they show me three things. Like, hey, you want to do, what color do you want the exterior of your house to be? And like, oh, this one, this one, but then there's this one. And obviously, I like that one the most. Right.

That was the nicest one. And like, oh, that's $50,000 more than your budget. You know I want you to keep me in budget. Yes. Why do I got to see this? The minute I see this, obviously, I got to have this one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.

Even the TV's, At first, they're like, no, that's the design. I'm like, what do you mean? That's the design. Luckily, I had the drawings, the renderings, and they're clearly centered. I'm like, it's like nobody in the history of Earth has said, let's connect the TV to the corner of the wall. Yeah, that's a tough look. So are they fixing that?

Are they charging you to fix it? So I said we have an architect and a, like, builder, and they're arguing now on whose fault it was. But I'm like, this is not, luckily, I have the designs. Now, the problem clearly is like, all right, well, we won't charge you for that, but they may just build it in. You're fucked no matter what you do building a house. Like, you're absolutely fucked. A little thing I like to call the ocean. It was hilarious.

How do you think Bar still changes with the move to Chicago? I mean, obviously there'll be different offices. I don't know the exact people going Dan's Chicago. Dan's a workhorse. I'm sure Chicago will be great. And Kevin will be in New York. There's still a ton of business people. I don't I don't think it'll change all that much.

Probably me leaving almost is more of a change than like Dan Brandy Chicago guys because I'm like the I'm the jerk like and I mean that in a way that is like I stir the pot when I'm there like so content you're around you're in the mix a lot. And it's generally like creating like controversy out like not you know being the boss that's like, what did you do that? What did you do that? Bringing someone in. That doesn't happen as much if I'm not there anyway.

So I think the content will be pretty similar with Dan taking his crew because there's not as much of the, like the Frank, the tank shit that he did the other day. That would have been a much bigger story probably if I was there. He went to the Dolphins game. And then he left early. And like what had the potential to be an unbelievable ending? It didn't. But like that, that if I'm there, I would have harped on that for like a week. Kind of dies down.

So I don't think it'll change much. Don't you feel like you being in the mix, people might be worried you being out of the mix too much because you do help generate a lot of that content. Yeah, but I've been out. You don't have those like inside WW storylines within the building. And I may bring people to Miami, but the bottom line is it, I don't love New York and it's just too much fucking money to not be in Florida. It, it, like the house that I'm building, I did the math basically. I'm like, all right, I'd signed a five-year deal. and I'm like at the end of five years, I can either be in New York and have the same amount of money

or in Florida and have the same amount of money but this house. Like the house, that's the difference. It's like, it's basically a free house. Hollywood, Dave. Well, no, it's taxes. Miami, Dave. Yeah, Miami. You made it.

Oh, yeah. You made it. You know, I'm like the 1% of the 1%. I know, brother. Yeah. A lot of hard work. When we first met you, you literally laughed out loud without even really knowing this yet. They go, this is my new favorite game.

Me having more money than football players. How much do you make? We would answer, but like, I make more than you. Yeah, yeah. Football, football, yes. Basketball, no. Those guys get paid like fucking crazy. What about football quarterbacks? How much do they make?

Every year you're looking at 40? Yeah, so no, I don't have them beat. Yeah. You're a great quarterback, I assume, is playing long-ass time at 40. Yeah, no. That's a lot of money. Yeah, 40 a year. But how much, like, what's a, when you started this and you realized there's going to be success,

like, did you have a number like, I want? this much money. No. And I really didn't. People think I'm bullshitting, but I would have been happy making $100,000 waking up, $60,000 whatever if I enjoyed what I was doing. It was not, nobody, nobody in their right mind really could have thought Barstle would do what it did. That's not why I started it. Maybe it was successful, to be honest. It wasn't, you see a lot of people who have these wild plans or business plans and this and they get funding. That's not. Ours was so organic. And it was never like to get to where it is now it it and the crazy ability to pivot like going from news newspapers to the internet and then doing the internet the way you have having just great people

because as much as i do you say like taking credit for everything like podcast i remember being like i said it could be it could be i i said that he i thought podcast was stupid like kevin started i'm like do it i don't give a fuck like dan pmt that was all him i didn't even know who pft was like i met him So we just have Like million dollars worth of the game They came in through Rhone Like you know So it

You guys came through gas I think gas Yeah yeah Yeah so we just have Really good Like gas found Brianna chicken fry I fucking

A girl I used to know You know It was fucking Alex Cooper's boyfriend That's how I knew who she was So it's just We had the right people In like the right spots

Um To pivot quick And we don't, maybe the better answer is we don't tell people what to do. Like you guys know that firsthand. We are very hands off. So creative people are allowed to be creative. And that actually, while it sounds simple, I don't think happens a ton of other places. And that's why million dollars is worth of games.

Like, we want to stay with you because you never interfere. Say, do this. It's just like, go be you. If it works great, if it doesn't, that's because people don't like you. And then there's a level of relying on people to actually put the work in. Yeah. Because people think you just get a bunch of mics and you talk. like, oh, we're going to be making money now.

But there's a level of consistency you have to bring into the game every single day. Totally. Well, I think that's what with you two, hopefully this isn't taking as disrespectful to Will, but you being on the outs in the NFL allowed somebody to be like 24-7 thinking this show and this concept without that, like if you guys were both on the same level in the NFL, I think it gets way harder for us to be interested in that. because there's so much going on outside. You need somebody who looks at it exactly what you said.

It's not just wake up, mics go on in it because it's not. Yeah. How do you feel about that comment? I still played three years while doing this. That was meant to be a compliment. No, no, that is no. I don't know. I said all the time.

Will is the backbone, is the backbone of this whole thing. Like he sat me down at a Chinese restaurant was like, I want to do a podcast. Will you do it with me? And I was like, yeah, I guess. And then I left for three months to go trained for football.

While Will's like literally putting things in place, doing meetings of production guys and getting all that thing putting together. The only thing I really contributed was this bus. And like my technical name I had in the NFL. Personality. It's not like. Yeah.

Well, no, no, yeah, I get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you guys have the chemistry, but there's plenty of, there isn't. That's extremely difficult. But it's very hard to find the chemistry with then the desire to do it. Like I remember what sold me the first time.

we met million dollars worth game was listening to Wallow talk about how he made money when he got out of jail. He's like, I was just selling T-shirts on this corner. Like, street corners, like, that's somebody who's going to fucking go bananas for this, right? And he's just talking about how content changed all that shit. So that's, those

two factors. If you find, same with Alex Cooper. When she came in, she had a sizzle reel and I was like, who made this for you? She's like, I learned how I do it myself. Like, I learned all the different editing. I was sold then. Like, who knows if it works? But finding the combo of the people who have the talent, like they're charismatic, you see it, but then no, like this doesn't, you need a lot more than just that.

You need both. You got to work hard and be, I guess it's kind of like sports in that regard. You need both, you need the talent, but that's not enough. Right. We'll see other players like do stuff and, you know, it's like quick to think like, yeah, they're going with a network. A network has reached out to them to like do something. So they're putting everything together.

Not like all this stuff, it comes from a fucking, came from a notebook. We're in a garage, like, or not a garage. I was running the gravel parking lot. Like I remember in my notebook, like, sweating our asses off. I think 17, I wrote it when I was on Washington.

It was like be one of the first NFL players slash coaches because I wanted to coach at the time with like a podcast that hit a million downloads. Yep. That was like what was written in the thing. And then we get the podcast going. Like when I kind of thought that that could have been my last year like being on the outs. But yeah, man, it's building the business inside of it is a different ball game than a lot of people understand.

Yeah. It's the consistent. It's funny how goals change too. Correct. Like our goal. I'm still like, I have that sheet of paper where it says with a million

one million downloads. Yeah. And it's just like, now you look at everything that's going on. You're like, fuck. Yeah.

I'm thinking nearly as big as I thought I was. Yeah. Yeah. That is the consistent thread. And it's the consistent thread with almost every way successful from that world

that we've hired. McAfee was the same way. I mean, turned down the contract. He was like maniacally. He knew what he wanted to do. Biz, like,

I've been on phone calls just like, tell him to shut the fuck up. Literally like, you shut the fuck up. I'm sick of here. because he wants so much. And that's good, though. It's like, at the end, it's like, I like, I'd rather have those conversations

where I'm screaming at somebody. It's like just, like, you're being unreasonable because he wants more. And I don't mean, like, money. He's, like, upset, like, that he's, things aren't going exactly how he wants, but it's because he wants to be bigger, you know? And I always say that with Gaz, who's in the worst spot for our social media. Like, I want everybody arguing with you that you're not promoting them enough. That's good. Like if someone doesn't give a fuck, that's probably bad. Like, who doesn't want promo

from the thing? He's going to spread it out. So that's kind of a common consistency of the successful people we've had. They're all just, they view it very seriously as a job. And like what you said, now you're seeing how people do. I mean, if you, we mentioned them a ton, but you go back and it could be somebody like you, you never know. But you go back and it's like everyone when McAfee didn't take the field goal or the kicking job, like you're crazy. You turn down like, what, three million a year? Like, what are you nuts? Coming off a Pro Bowl a year, I believe.

Yeah. Walked out of him. And it's like the best decision he's ever made, right? So there's a lot of money there. But then we've had other people where it just hasn't worked. Like, you know, where they think it's just another thing to add. And whatever, it, some work, some don't. What's the example you're thinking of?

Well, I don't. I'm trying to think about it. Well, I know we had with a basketball player didn't work. A scary territory. It didn't work at all. You know, the Dinger guy. Who was the Dinger guy? I think you brought him up before.

Yeah. He was a hepatitis. The guy that would like hit Dinger's, the hepatitis. See you later. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He was his name. He was funny as shit.

He was. Yes. He did a whole tutorial on how to bun. He did another Dinger. He's like, fuck that, Jucky. Yeah, yeah. Somebody who had the talent. side, but not the desire side.

And it is harder when you're not in our office. Like, you almost have to be, like, doubly, triply like, committed to it. Do you find him? Yeah, it's type of dangar, a barstrel guy, but... That would have been the right words. That would have been the right words.

Yeah, I thought his stuff was funny. I always wonder what kind of happened to him. He's still on the engine. He was very funny. What the hell is his name? No, not Clint. And I like him. And people still make jokes about him. Kent Murphy.

Yeah. Very, very fucking fun. His shit was hilarious. But it's also one of those things which we haven't. He's character and character there. Yeah.

So like we're not characters. Right. You can do like a character, but like we're not characters. We're ourselves. So he never, this is super successful. He had it,

but he never like got this is, that's not him. He's playing somebody else. He's playing somebody. But so does Caleb. Caleb plays he's still on the Sunday

Conversations he sits and does Yeah yeah yeah Yeah but that is like He's done a lot more With us Like where he's also north Some people may just know him as that

Yeah But I think the Barstall world Knows him as Caleb Yeah You know He's fun to be around man That guy is awesome You guys are like best

Best buddies Yeah we got a little He's great He's great Shout out Jeff as well It would have been nice to have you Because we did He was a tough recruiting

guy. I recruited the fuck out of Caleb. He's like the only guy recruited. Really? Really? No. Off the top. Yeah. So he was How'd you find him? He was the professor of Moral, North Carolina running down. He wasn't uniform. The professor of morale. He was, that was his coin term in the football. He was like an assistant

on the football team. He was the director of morale for the team and he'd be on the sidelines every game with like a jersey on and stuff like that. Oh, that's so funny. He'd wear like the jersey of an NFL guy from North Carolina. Yeah. He'd be running up down the sidelines. Like, who the fuck is this person? Like the long, blonde hair. So we had him on our rundown, our daily show the next day after one of the ESPN.

And he was good. He was interesting. And then so we went out. He flew down to Boston. I remember we went out. And it's like the gronks were out. It was when he was there. We were parted with like, gronks.

He's like, oh, this is fucking cool. He said no. He's like, I forget why he said no originally. What did you offer him to be a job? Just a job. Yeah. And I think he thought he had to write because that's a, time we're primarily still writing not as much video yeah and he's like i don't want to write so no and then

it came back as like you can do whatever you want like we really don't tell people what to do so if you want to make video make video like i don't know what you'll want to do what you'll be good at or what interests you and then we got him and he's done a bunch of things and that's the thing about barcel too he did a bunch of podcasts none of them really did spectacularly well or anything like that um he was on barcel radio with me a little bit. And then, you know, he, he was always good with the man on the street. Always very good with that. And then he found his niche with the Sunday conversations. Dude, it is so funny. He is very funny. Yeah, he's good. He's good people. Oh, he got AC in this bus. No. What's that? AC, no. No, it's all that. It's in the building.

Yeah, which is a huge, you need to turn up a little bit? No, no. I wouldn't mind water, though. In our situation a little bit better than the last one you were in? It might be one right by her feet. Do you get a water for the head man? I appreciate it. Hey, shout out the boys pulling off that label too. That's outstanding. Great work.

No free shoutouts. Really? Yeah. Have a water sponsor? We don't. This company sent us a bunch of waters. And like for 10 episodes, let's say. Well, we do a lot with them.

Oh, you do? Yeah. Well, hold on. Wait that. Leave that. No free shoutouts. The whole company. I think they just sent us water.

And the water's fantastic. But if they want to do something, we would love to do something. I used to be buddy. The guy I know. very well, the guy who he sold it, but he's a genius. He's our vitamin water and body, a big horse guy, Micropoli shout out. Um, geniuses. Give me your impression of Joe Rogan, because Will and I, are we found our loving podcast talking about Joe Rogan? So I was never a huge Rogan fan. Like, I haven't listened to a ton of his episodes. Super

down to earth and easy to talk to. His studio's amazing. Um, I'm not an MMA guy. So a lot of that podcast we did MAA. I'm not super deep. Um, Yeah, I don't know. He's just a guy's guy. Like you guys, I said to you, I think his studio seems like right up your alley, maybe yours as much. I just haven't talked to you as much about like working out staying in shape. All that. He always says it. But like he's got the water deprivation tank in there.

Yeah. Yeah, you'd be into the bow and arrow like thing where you can shoot. An archery range. Archery range. The weight room literally looks like it could be a college football team is fucking huge. That's all time. Yeah, it's huge. like three or four people.

Yeah. You know? When did you like the episode? How did I like it? Yeah. I thought it was easy. Like it's a good conversation. Studio's sick.

It just kind of takes you. I don't smoke cigars. So it's borderline like high just from smoking that one. But it was easy. He's easier to talk to. I was, I didn't walk out being like, that's the greatest thing of all time.

Because I knew there was a lot of MMA talk. And that was the one complaint. But then I also people, it's weird. It's with anything. People either loved it or they didn't like it at all. I didn't get very much down the middle. And he's so big.

He really is so big. Like just walking out street, people will show us. Like, yeah, I'm listening to the Rogan thing, you know? Yeah. But I liked him. I don't know. Would you do it again? Absolutely.

Even if I didn't like him, I'd do it again. How could you say no to that? Right, right, right. How did it all, like, work out? Like, how did you guys get connected and going on that episode? So, I met him for the first time at UFC, New York, but quickly, the New York Times article came out and I posted because in the New York Times recent one on me, the reporter said we reached out to Dave for comment and he wouldn't answer the questions.

I posted an exchange with the reporter from like seven months ago being like, I'll sit down with you. I'll answer anything you have. And she kept saying I'm eager to talk to you. And then two weeks would go by when I hear from, I go, hey, I'm willing to talk down to speak with you. Like, yeah, like cameras. You can bring any camera you want. audio I just want to be able to do it too so I have it um she's like I'm eager to do it

didn't reach out till two days before the article dropped so seven months passed I was like fuck no you've written the whole article all these bullet points are all like there's no way for me to answer them they're like hey Dave you're the devil right any comment like those like all right how do I fucking how do you deal with that yeah yeah so I posted the exchange he reached out he's like I saw the new york times thing they're the worst like you want to come on the podcast so I I actually tweeted this the other day, Emily Steele, tip my cap, like the New York Times reporter, I've heard a thank for going on

Rogan and making, because Barstall's big, Rogan's fucking huge. A lot of people probably didn't know who I was until that episode, so help me help Barstall, so thank you. Do you have any idea that downloads he gets? No. I think I've heard their... It was number one three weeks in a row.

It's got to be... And while I do love taking credit, he has a lot of his episodes go to one. I don't know if they stay as long as that, or all of them, but he's a monster. I don't think there's anything remotely in his stratosphere for podcasts. Yeah, no, he's insane, man.

He's been there. He's so massive. Beginning. Yeah. He's a webcam. A lot of similarities between him and us in terms of, because there's quotes and things he said, where if you heard them in isolation, and you didn't know anything, he'd be like, that guy's a jerk.

But similar to us, it's like his people have been with him for 10 years, 15 years. They know. It's like our people, it's like, if you hear a quarter of me, it's like, yeah, but we even, hang on, hang on, hang on, I'll, I'll intervene on that one. Okay. Rogan, well, he did a, like, a little selfie video with a lot of, like, you know, apology, accountability, awareness in it all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When that, when they did that little, I want to say you sat in on one of their, you said, I want to do an interview with them,

the guys who, like, make the burners and make stuff go viral or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, when Rogan, when that stuff was coming out of Rogan and they were trying to, you know, cancel him, stuff like that. Yeah, they had like a seven-minute clip of him just saying, like, the end word or something like that. Right, like saying a lot of stuff like way back in the day. But Rogan picks up his phone and does like, I guess the way I would explain it is he handles it in like a, like a parent, like an adult. Yeah. I'm saying you're not an adult. But that's when you lean into let me fucking, I'm going to stand 10 toes down. Sort of apologize, but not really. Right. Like I understand I did something wrong, but listen, I am who I am. Correct, correct. Which both are. Yeah, I'd have to hear the individual.

quotes like this is going to sound if I thought I did something wrong or out of hate I would apologize I don't that's what I'm saying but you're thinking if you think you did something wrong that's where I feel like the difference is I'm not saying either one of them's right wrong and different I'm explaining where the difference is when Rogan when that was going on a rogan he handles it in a way of like you know I don't know I guess appeasing to the masses I know he's not doing it. He's like just saying like, you know, I said some things. I'm sorry. Like this is not. Like I'm there for blah, blah, blah, stuff like

that. Not like bending the knee. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that. You're not a bend the knee. You're like, I'm not gonna fucking bend the knee. If this is not an indictment on the way you handle things. No, I'm just looking at the two different things. And I don't know what the video or what he exactly said or, or apologized for like, you're not

finding a like that example, like the N-word thing. Like, you're not, your your clips of me doing that's going to be one second. Yeah. Like, it's not a...

The rap lyric. Yeah. Right. Like, I don't... You're saying he had more... There's more stuff. I might have not been seven minutes. It might have been a two minute and 30 second video.

Some video of all some weird conversations he had. Kind of the same context. Like, he's saying what somebody said and he's like, he said this to me. Yeah, right. That type of thing. And he's doing a selfie video of like with like the, you know, humility, like trying to show growth that he's had, talking about how he was different back in the day.

Yeah. Everyone definitely handles it differently. Maybe that is the, like, I don't, one of the things on, like, my Twitter, for example, like a lot of people who didn't like is they deleted their Twitters. They, like, during all this shit, like, just erase it. I didn't. Like, I know what I say and what I don't say. Even when, like, I, it was like when we got in the San Ponder shit.

Go back. I want to see that. Dan and I were talking about that's, we got on a lot of shit. And she said, uh, Joe Logan gets 200 million downloads each month. It's estimated. Estimated. I mean, he's never won in like 98 countries. Yeah, it's insane.

Insane. Yeah, that's insane. But I started interrupting you. Keep going. Like, I know what I've said. So I remember, like, she said I wish that her, like, unborn son was aborted. That's not true. I never said that.

Then there was something else that was vicious that I forget the term. I'm like, I definitely said that. Because I know, I use the same words over and over. Like, that's just the. other one won't come from my mouth. Like, certain words I know. I don't know. It's, I've been doing for 20 years.

So I do think if I thought I did something really bad or mean or hateful, I would apologize. Things have changed. I used, like, things just change over the internet. You had, you did have a conversation that you've seen St. Sander since. Yeah. I respect her. Remember when you, yeah, yeah, remember when you texted?

I think Cole McCoy might have texted me. He was there at the restaurant. Hey, um, if you talk with Dave, if you don't mind shooting a message to Dave, it was like the night before again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And saying, like, you know, apologizes for anything. Because it took like they had some long conversation.

Sam Ponder went way up in my book on that. Like, I don't, what, so we got in trouble for talking about her when Barstle was still relatively small. We basically, she was doing college game day. Me and Dan went on a rant. Like, no way wants to see your fucking baby on college game day.

These are all, like, horny guys. We want you to slut it up. Like, that is essentially what we said. Yeah. I think, yeah, that'll came back. We didn't, yeah,

that'll rough. But it's like one of those things you say your buddies basically at the time, like meaning we weren't that big. Like we were to shoot the shit in, I think three, four,

five years passed. So that was. That was the degenerate years. Yeah. And that was. But it's also like, it's way back in the memory. Like,

yeah, you're not gonna. It's like, if someone's like, did you say that? Like, no. Like, I don't know.

I did I? I don't remember. Right. If you told me, do I think most people watch college game day are young guys and want to see pretty girls and oh baby yeah i will maintain that take would i say that and the way i did probably not fine um see that's that's that's that's that's it's a perfect example right of how comparing the jo rogan dave portnoid the way they handle certain things

i would still i still have the same idea the way i would have said it is probably different now yeah what i'm probably you say or rogan was i just dave or rogan you said no you're dave you're dave you're dave you're dave and you go should i have this probably yeah it's not uh if you would have said If you would have said, I completely understand why she came at me, I probably shouldn't have done that, and I'll make sure to do better next time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess.

That's on me. That's my bad. I guess that's just where Dave is, Dave, because I know for a fact, I'm correct. Like, people watch college game day. Should I? Probably. Most of the men are men, and most are interested in seeing very attractive women. They don't want to see the attractive woman's baby. That's a fact.

That's a fact. If you polled, yeah, I'm sure you. But you can say it in a way that she could start slutting up. Don't say it that way. That was a bad way to say it. Maybe I wouldn't say it all. But am I right about the thought process? Maybe it goes again.

What, well, all right, we go down this. Why are most sideline reporters attractive? Is that just the biggest coincidence in the history of the world? No, no, no. Exactly. Everyone's moving their seats. I was going to take it. I was like, damn.

Why is that? Anyways, I said that. You should just get like an unattractive girl. Like one company is to be like, see? Yeah, and I mean, there are some. And listen, Piss, I think Doris Burke, she's not sideline, play by play. I fucking love her.

I said at one point I put her on the $1 bill or something when they were talking about a woman on the $1 bill. But what that thought that Dan and I had just ranton, and it wasn't preface. I forget how it came out. But we talked about it. She comes back when

Barcel Van Talk gets on ESPN and we didn't even, again, it was so far in the past. If you asked me, does Sam Ponder have beef with you? I'd be like, no. Like, I've never even, Sam Ponder. I've never said anything about her. Clearly we had, they had the receipts.

I saw it. It always goes back to receipts. You know that piece of shit, Nick Kahn, too, is responsible of that. He's the guy who runs WEE's a piece of shit. Yeah, then he got fire from ESPN for like cocaine or something like that. No, that's John Skipper, also a piece of, shit.

Nick Conn is the CEO of, or not, maybe CEO of WWE. And he was Sam Ponder's agent. He also, probably a month prior, I had met with him, he kissed my ass about how much he fucking loved Barstle. He was the one who ratted us out to ESPN. Then this fucking guy has the balls. After the Sanponder shit happened, like two months later, there was a fight at Madison Square Garden and invited me to be his.

guest to sit next to him. I wrote back, I go, do you not think I know what happened to Sam Ponder? Do you always invite, like, people who fucking hate you to sit next to you? And there's like, whoa, I don't know if that was me. It was fucking you, piece of shit. Anyway, Sam Ponder, I do respect. Sam Ponder catch New York, Steakhouse. I was on a date walking out.

This blonde woman who I did not recognize at first, I think she wasn't wearing a hat, nose to nose. Like, do you recognize me? It's like, no, actually I don't. She's like, really? I really didn't recognize her. I'm like, no. On a date, too. That's got to be tough for the date.

Girl didn't know what was going. Yeah. Well, she walked away. She's probably thinking, oh, they're like married her. Like he has his girlfriend or something. Like, oh, fuck. And she's like, I'm saying, Ponder. I was like, oh, and we just got into it.

I respect her for getting in my face. I'd much rather that. You would have come at me. She was coming at you, like, aggressively. Yes. How did it end? Civilly. That's all I can ask for.

we both kind of like, okay, okay. I respected it. Now, there is... You think she has a different opinion you're walking out of there? I don't know, maybe. Do you know her? Maybe.

I don't know her. There's other parts now because part of my take and Dan and PFT were very much involved in all of that because their show got canceled. And they, I believe, had some interactions with her that they don't think add up. Like, I think they invite it.

They want to talk to her, sit down, and she didn't want any part of it. At least that's how it goes. But for her with me, and a lot of times, I've said this. When people throw the first punch at me, I have no sympathy for you generally. And I ignore it a lot. But if you keep coming at me and then I come after you, don't cry to me. We threw the first punch at her.

Like she was mine and her own business. It wasn't personal what we were talking about, but it can certainly come across as personal. So I never have had a problem of all the people I've had beasts with. I don't even, you know, she's, we said shit about her that she had every right to be mad about and she held a grudge, I hold grudges, and she fucking hit us over the head with a steel chair with it when we're at least expecting. That's essentially what happened. It may have benefited us in the wrong run because God knows what happens if those two guys went to ESPN and were successful.

Barstow's probably in a different place. So I think it worked out. But, yeah, I got no Sanponder beef anymore. Pondies. Yeah. You said they go to ESPN. You talk about PFT and Big Cat? Yeah, because they did the van the van talk.

Yeah, they were test driving. I think is what they were doing because they had exploded. Part of my take was huge. They were both under contract. And they basically, Dan has been with us forever. So if Dan wants to do something, he gets to do it. That's the loyalty and credit. He's earned and deserved, and he really wanted to do this.

I was never comfortable with this. He knows that. Like, whenever I was in the meeting in these, I felt like they didn't like me. They didn't like Barstool. Yeah. And it was, I think they were really just test driving it. Like, if this show works, we'll make them an offer that at the time we couldn't compete with. You know, and I was very worried about that.

Never had to worry much longer because they did one episode and all hell broke loose and John Skipper. Now, he was the CEO of ESPN. He didn't tell us they were canceling the show. we read a press release that said he did not know barstle van talk would be associated with barstle sports the name of the show was barstle van talk and then two weeks later he got extorted by his coke dealer that was the story and he resigned i had only bought it one time right yep i had already gotten a champagne bottle engraved with his name on it and we popped it on like the rundown was that the fastest champagne pop fastest yeah far it was that was like god touching me on the shoulder being like i

got you. I got it. Like two weeks after, I mean, come on. So when ESPN was negotiating with PFT and Big Cat, did you openly come to him and say, hey, this is how I feel? I feel like this is, I'm not comfortable. No. The reason why I ask that is.

We were in an uncomfortable spot a little bit with Dan and PFT at the time in general. I think, like, I think Dan's contract was kind of coming up or something. there was a lot going on, but it was, that was probably the rockiest our relationship, Dan and I's, had been. And PFT was still relatively sort of new. Like, he didn't have the 10-year back story. So no, but I think he knew. Erica certainly knew. And they just, it was like I'd walk in the room.

Like, you're walking in the room. Oh, for real? Yeah, it was a bad vibe type. And so, but you guys obviously squashed that. when you went to interview Trump, Dan had like a big release. We don't, well, we don't do this. Real touch of time just in America in general.

Everybody hated Trump or people were very loud about hitting Trump. Yeah, that was, that was bad too. That was faster. That was like a single incident. He was definitely upset about that. And I get that. That's a tough situation because it goes again for Barstool, which I don't know if it happens everywhere,

which I think he rightfully kind of felt it's like, well, people view him. him as barstool, they certainly view me. So it's like if I'm interviewing Trump and he has strong feelings, it's, it's on him. He has to answer for what I'm doing. I feel differently about that. Like I've said that. If the sitting president, you know, asked me to go interview him, I'm going to do it.

Now, part of me a little bit, it's like if I asked Dan and he's going to say no, maybe it helps him, but then it's like, well, what am I just going to not? Like, I knew I was doing it. Regardless. Right. Right. Like, I went to, even my dad, who. nobody hates more.

Nobody hates Trump more than him. My dad hates, hates, hates. He's like, you gotta do it. Like, it's the president. Really? Yeah, yeah. You said he puckered up too. That was after.

I didn't ask him. Yeah, because you said you called him. You phased him after. Yeah, I asked like my mom, and people I trusted around, I had to do it. It's, uh... But Dan had a good point in his little, like,

press conference that he did for it was that Barstool is a comedy type of entertainment media. The minute you involve politics, like now the line is skewed. Totally. How did you feel like, do you agree with that statement? Because technically, if we look at it right now, nothing's really changed other than your brand got bigger from that whole thing. I don't feel like Barstool is viewed any differently from a political standpoint. No, I mean, obviously, I do political.

Well, like I go on Fox News, that's certainly viewed as politically even though I don't really talk politics when I go on. but, you know, people really hate Tucker or love Tucker. Yeah, I don't, and people may not believe this, I really think it's good for the brand to do that because the audience is fucking huge. Yeah. It, like, exposes us to people who may not be exposed and they find different, you know,

they may listen to you guys are part of my take or whoever and find something they like. Like, so I do think it's good. And I'm all about, it's almost like what you said about the Rogan like would you go on Rogan yeah of course it's such a big fucking platform but Dan also does

have a point it's like I don't want Barstle to be political I don't yet I'll go interview the president of the United States how can you say no yeah yeah like how can he say no to that it is such a huge fucking platform and to be honest

I guess we've tried to do politics like we had hard facts I just don't want people to say they're left or they're right all the time or anything. I don't think we are. Like, you're allowed to be what, even I think I'm misconstrued on how people think I feel because I don't think I'm left or right, some issues on one or the other. In that interview with Trump, I don't think it was overly like one way or the other.

You know, so it is a delicate slope, though. You should go interview Biden now. We offered. Then all of a sudden. We did. We offered. They said no. That was literally the first thing we did when.

Trump asked, well, like, say, let's go off the same invite to him. And they didn't do it. So, I mean, yeah, that was literally the first thing we did. I wonder why they wouldn't do it. It's almost like you see it, too, like audience, like growing audience. It's, I've said this a million times, an old Jordan quote. Like, you guys sell sneakers to red states and blue states. I sell t-shirts to red states and blue states.

We do. Like, I, like, there's bad on both side extremes. There are. And, you know, I have, but I'm in the street and I can tell. like the people who come up a lot of my hey love you on talk i love you on this and it's like yeah they make it's true what like i barstool i we get it about both we fucking get on both like when i when i say a political stance which i i don't like doing because it causes like fucking chaos people who who have supported me or think they support my political views for two years

if i say one thing they disagree with something they hate me they're like you're the fucking worse. It's like, you know, you just, I thought I fucking liked you, but now not. Yeah, right, because I disagree with you on like one thing. It's like, what you're fucking talking about. So it's what it is, but I get it. We've always said we don't want to do politics, but I've done politics. Yeah. Yeah. You're the boss. You do what you want. Yeah. Yeah. Emergency press conferences. Yeah. I mean, it, I overall think it, it does help just make bar stool more prevalent everywhere. It obviously can cause some problems. But at the same time, like,

it just draws eyeballs to the overall brand. You're in the game and grow audiences for the brand as a whole. Which is what we're doing. How do you continue to do that? Like, beyond all this stuff, like as you kind of do a little bit less or guys are moving to Chicago, like how does bars? You just got to keep finding great talent.

You just got to keep finding great talent because not upon, like, if you look at, let's say you guys or me just sitting here, or PMT or a million dollars worth a game, or Brianna Chicken Fry, just find people, if they're great at what they're doing. Like, as you guys are building an audience, you're building an audience for us.

Like, not to suck both your dicks, but, like, coming on this for me is good, because probably there's a good portion of your audience. They obviously know me at some point, but they may not know me that well. Right. So it's like, oh, this guy's not bad. We like, so every time a brand,

for play, whoever is growing audience, it helps everybody. Because then you start mixing in. and interacting like you with the case race or whatever it may be it just helps grow and every all you know rising tides all ships that's kind of how barstool is it just get as much cross-pollination and everybody's kind of doing their thing and growing it and you find new people and they're growing it it's like the perfect example is the tic-tok shit which i still get people busting my balls like why are you doing a fucking podcast with a 19 year old 20 awesome's with me it's what that or pizza is what

I get known for. Like, if I walk around, like, anyone under 21, they all know who I am because of TikTok. Like, you're on the BFFs. It's crazy. Yeah. Like, I can walk into a hotel, like, a 13-year-old girl will be like, BFS, BSS, BSS. It just reached a whole new audience. And then maybe they start getting into the other stuff.

So. With that age gap between you and him, like, is there a lot of common ground? You guys can find out you guys like friends? Like, do you guys? Like, do, friend to find, we don't. Like, he's like, what, 20 years old? How old is he? Oh, God.

You guys play video games together? No, we don't play video. You guys don't play video. Are we talking like... I'm saying like outside of the pod. No. You guys are not like... Friends?

Yeah, you guys... But like, is there a common ground where you guys are like... You guys are different generations. Correct. Like, how does that gel between you guys outside of this podcast? Doesn't. Like, I mean, again, I'll be friendly with him. Am I?

If I'm in his city, would I be like, hey, I'm going out? No, I don't go out. And I think it's weird for me to go out with like, you know, a 19, 20-year-old. He's kids. So, but he's actually a great guy. Like, I like him. And if I was younger, I'd probably. friends of them.

But no, we're not. I barely go out even with the guys like my age or I'm friends with. But no, we... But you want to bust some balls about dinner? I don't... Well, that's dinner. I'm a good point. All I'm learning right now is we can be better friends than what we are.

I think we all three of us. I think we all three kind of crave to have a little bit more power of. I feel like the fastest way for us all to be better friends is Dave following you back on Twitter. No, he has. It's happened. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah.

Then we've taken the steps we need to take. I haven't followed you. I don't know. I know. And listen, I feel like... Baby steps. I'm working on 90-day rocks right now. Like, I'm, like, slowly, like, I'm checking it with myself and seeing...

We can make that happen. It took a while. We'd be all throughout the college football, and he's always fucking trolling me on, like, the Nebraska football. And I thought it was so funny. You know, he's always doing him. And then he's not following it. I didn't know. I didn't follow you.

Honest. That's hilarious. Honest. That's something I'm bad at half the time I don't know. Like, I didn't know until it was mentioned. I'm like, oh, fall, that wasn't some weirdo. I didn't know. I thought it was like a big, uh, power move.

Like power, no, no, no. I thought it was hilarious. Negotiation tactic. Yeah, no, that way, I honestly did not know. Did you, how'd you enjoy our negotiation? I can't remember what we were arguing about. We were arguing about gambling. Gambling was the entire reason the extension started to happen anyway.

But there was, what was the one, well, yes. I knew, I knew that. We didn't want to promote you gambling and then you have bounced in like four days. That's that you were, you were hard, like, as you should have been, like you were hard press, oh, we're just going to promote and you're just going to dip and bounce and leave it. Because it was, hey, let's get a deal done by football season, or we'll shelf it and not talk until after the years over. Because you're like, we have control.

Now we won't have control once the pin acquisition hits. Yes, correct. That too. That, it was the combo things. Like, so basically for the people don't know. I'm like, Eric, she's great. Killer. It was an old.

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like this guy can't even we had to learn the hard way on that yeah we didn't really the only person had to learn the hard way was you with year 10 no I know I'm just saying learn like trying to trying to make it all happen like make all everything yeah yeah because we everybody was trying to Paul, everybody at Barstle, everybody was on board to make your 10 app. And hey, what in the fuck do we have to do? Yeah. And ultimately, it's like the dead end was you have to separate not only from the Barstall deal, but also Bustin, like busing L.S.C.

So what, like, you're, you are, what are Bustin? You're with Barstle. Why are you allowed in the NFL? I don't know. It's weird. One of our first 20 episodes was with Mike Vrable. We've had Arthur Smith on this podcast on two separate occasions, right? I don't know.

It was kind of one of those things where it was a new space, and we were the first ones doing it. Yeah. And Barstle wasn't gambling yet. Or you guys were gambling, but you guys weren't acquired by Penn or anything like that. What changes? Why?

Why? I don't know. I really don't know. I really don't know. I personally just feel like, and maybe not. Maybe that's just me thinking bigger than what it was, but just making it hard because it was like a Barstall affiliate.

A Barstall affiliate and gambling was not negotiated in the CBA. So it's such a gray area that they don't know. Right. I basically try to make an example at a will. Well, even the, even the gambling thing was, um, I mean, they freak out on that guy who got suspended for doing like a parlay. Yeah, Calvin Ridley. Free Calvin Ridley, by the way.

As an active player, which is all, which is funny because it's like, you know, they're in bed with all the big. What I'm, what I'm anxious to see is when I get cut from the Titans and I go somewhere else, are they going to give me a hard time signing a contract being associated with Barcelona Sports? Because that's what it came down. We had everything figured out.

And then they also wanted to see. busing stuff too. And it's like, well, why are we having to jump through all these fucking hoops just to do this stuff? Like, this should have been done weeks ago. By that point, it was like four weeks. There's like maybe three weeks left in the season. You don't know. I mean, you don't know with that.

It might be a stray bullet from you with all the Goodell stuff. Yeah, but then you look like Drew Brees. Did you see the shit that have on him? Like, he, like, you could no longer bet on Purdue because then he except he's like coaching on Purdue, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know that. sensitive about, I guess, any potential, but you would, I assume if we're owned by Penn gambling company and you're getting a paycheck, I don't know. The biggest thing I feel like that stood out to them that they wanted me to do was delete all the content off of YouTube. So I am active. I was out there throughout the season doing picks and everything else. And signs right behind his head.

At the bus? Yeah. No affiliation. Yeah, I don't know. But it was, I mean, yeah, that was an interesting. It was cool, too. you kind of get like more into the weeds of fucking. I don't know what it's all about.

How can you even set a table to me? He's such a worm. So you got to bleak that, Blassey. Yeah. Yeah, we're good. We started talking about all that. He's really, he grinds. He grinds.

He's a grinder. He's a grinder. Solid. Yeah. Very strong in his Jewish faith too. Yeah. You guys have that and, you know, you guys have that in common. Speaking of that.

Reason people don't like Jews. On Rogan, you were talking about Kanye. I hate Conne. You hate him. Hate him. Is there a way that... What do you think happens to Kanye? I hated...

He just got married. Really? To who? To a girl who looks like Kim K. Number two. Yeah, the owner of... Or one of the creative people, Easey, I think.

He looks very similar to Kim Pradesh. Dude, I hated him both. He got remarried. That's crazy. Well, he's crazy. I hated him before he, uh, he declared he's pro Hitler. That kind of sealed the deal for me.

I know. Like, you know. The whole funny thing about that with you on Joe was, was Alex Jones. And even Alex Jones like, well, you mean. Life line.

He's like, no, you don't mean to say nice things about Hitler. He's like, no, yeah, I do. He's guys like great. It's like, all right. What did he? Was he saying that Hitler was smart? Or he was saying that Hitler was?

Yeah, he's one of those guys. Not as bad as we think he was. No, I think he's like he had some good ideas. Like the people who will want to sneak in like anti-Semitism without like openly being like, hey Jews. He invented like highways. Like, all right, great. Like for every.

highway killed a fucking million Jews. Like, you want a fucking metal? We don't, we don't want to hear that he fucking was good with like the light bulb. Like, the guys... No, they always say that, but the Germans too, like, they're scientists. Yeah. And reason for all these different inventions as well. Yeah, and listen, like, if you're going out of your way

to praise Hitler, I got a feeling where you're coming from. No, no, I'm not... No, I'm not coming from anyway. Right. Other than I'm trying to understand. You didn't know that? You like Kanye? No.

No. That was from left field. It is crazy because people still try to twist and defend him. I hated him long before. I thought it was just a guy who got a free pass for being a total douchebag. I really hated him. I like Taylor Swift. But what he, and people laugh, but what he and Kim Kardashian did Taylor Swift was unreal.

Like they, he's massive. There was that whole controversy. He had that lyric like, oh, fuck Taylor Swift or something. This is after he went up and stuff. stole the award, which is an all-time asshole move. Who does that? I'll let you finish in a second, but Beyonce had the best whatever. Yeah, it's fucking her moment. Sit the fuck

down. Everyone gave him a free pass on that. She threw a couple shots to you after, didn't she? I would hope so. Years, like years down the road. Yeah. Shots, but. But their success. I think her new album has something about that in it. I might be, that might be speaking out of turn.

This lyric, the Taylor Swift didn't know about Connie's made that bitch famous lyric all that after time. And I think something about sleeping her. Connie and Kim claim, because Taylor was like, no, I didn't approve that. And Kanye came on like, yeah, you did. We asked you. We called you.

And they had a phone conversation and they fucking edited it and released it. And anyone who listened to it, be like, oh, she did approve it. And Taylor Swift was like, no, I didn't. They're editing it. It's like, all right, they edited the conversation. Years later, the full conversation came out. They fucking edited it. That's wild.

And everyone gave him a free pass. It's like, think about someone doing that to you. Like on that, Kanye's got these crazy fans editing a conversation. So he's a fucking cock. I hate him between them. But it made a lot easier as a Jewish guy. When you hate Jews, I tend to be like, well, I don't like you either. I can understand why you'd be upset about that.

Yeah. That's an understandable thing. And I mean, who knows what happens to him. Obviously, he's got issues. But, yeah, no, I... Do you hate Kim as well? Yeah, I don't like Kim, either. Not a Kim fan.

Yeah, not a Kim fan either. I don't understand really that whole process. that her house she got so famous. Yeah, I mean, no, but it was also if you go back farther, she was like on Paris Hilton's hip when Paris Hilton was doing all that. Like there's even early Chris Jenner videos like clearly her mother who's a genius

and even the sex tape, which was the answer how'd she get famous? A lot of people put out sex tapes without rising to the level of fame. So they're smart, brilliant business people. Anyone who denies that is a hater. How'd you figure out how to put out your sex tape? I did not put out my sex date Are you sure?

I thought I saw that it was posted by Dave Portnoy. A pornoy, creative genius. No. Releases. My dad asked that months after the fact, like, did you do that? I was like, are you crazy. I would never put out my sex. I thought the way you handled that was incredible.

I don't give a fuck. I do feel bad for the girls. Like, the girls are not. I don't want. Yeah, but there had to be a level of like your fucking chest. Like that gut feeling were like, oh, fuck when that came out. Yeah. But again, it's not necessarily as weird.

It's not me. It's like my parents, girlfriend, whatever. I remember I was actually dating a girl at the time. I've had like basically since Renee, two girlfriends. I was dating one of them. And she thought like a girl texted me at midnight. And I put the phone down. And she's like, who was that?

I was like, don't worry about it. You don't want to see it. She's like, who was that? I'm like, it wasn't a girl. It wasn't. She's like, well, let me see. It was the sex tape. like, all right, here you go.

Did she watch that video and do she look at it and go, I thought, like, I only did that with you. No, no, no, but she did not say that, but it didn't go well. It didn't. I can't imagine. But, like, really, that girl, she doesn't, as long as it wasn't while you were dating her, there's nothing to really stand on. Because everybody, to understand, has had sex now. So she can't really be that mad.

It's funny. You think that it somehow doesn't translate. No, no, I understand how it doesn't translate. Yeah. But it laws are. Think of a sex tape surface with your wife right now. You know what I mean? With Taylin in the sex tape?

Yeah. That would be a tough L for me to take. I know. I would be like, I wouldn't leave her unless it was like dated to like 2018. Right. Right. Right. Right.

But if it was like, oh, 2013, I'd be like, listen, dude. Yeah. If it was some, if it was some kinky shit, I'd be like, I'm a little disappointed. It wouldn't go well. It wouldn't go well in that moment. No, nobody wants it. Nobody, it, it, yeah.

It's a perfect, you said it perfect, though. It's like not, like, you can handle that, but your family seeing it, close friends, girlfriends, whatever you're saying. I think those are dating now, like I'm sure at one point you guys had to have a conversation about that video. That's not a conversation.

That would go well. Yeah, no, I understand. No, no, no. It, I could say a sex date is coming out from 10 years ago. what and it did be broken bottles that it wouldn't go out and it is different like you're talking about now with savannah yeah it's still i had a hilarious interaction with her in Arizona yeah yeah yeah dude i'll just tell it because um when we were the night when i was gay yeah she thought i was gay and you guys were laying in bed she's like yo is that big

guy is he gay and you're like no i think he's married with two kids yeah yeah yeah because that night before night before the game. Joey Camasas. Yeah. And we were all joking. Like everyone was like, you're going to leave your door open for Joey. I'm like, absolutely.

I hope he sends me his room. You were joking? Dude, I mean, I guess I wasn't joking. You know what I'm saying. So she goes up. But Roan's wife, during that conversation was like, hey, are you?

I like felt uncomfortable. Ask me. So are you gay? Maybe. I'm not sure. I'm married with two kids. Yeah, that was circulating. That was circulating.

That's so, just the thought of you guys, like, brush your teeth and like laying into bed and going, she's going, hey, that Taylor guy, is he, is he gay? You gotta sit there and be like, no.

Or yet. What'd you say? I said exactly that. I'm like, he's married with like kids. He's like an NFL player. Not that you can't be gay in the NFL, but it's like,

no, here he is. Like, I think I showed the arrow video. I was like, yeah, look, he's not gay. Not like, no, I'm pretty sure he's gay. It was like, no, I'm going back and forth. I'm like, no, I don't think he is. I saw her.

Like, they had that little roped off area. And I sit down next to her and she like kind of looks at me and I go, hey, how are you? She was good. She goes, hey, I had a conversation last night. I basically goes to the whole thing. I was dying, laughing at it, dude. How does she handle all the business insider stuff? Not good.

Not good. Not good. Well, what? Like, if she. Ever day in the Colombian? Not kind of. Not good. It's a very fiery culture. Rationale or like it's not true.

What do you, does not good? It does not go good. Probably like an Italian. Yeah, it's just not good. Columbia's go way harder than Italian. Way harder. Don't know how else describe it except not good. Like, not, I, not good.

Not good. Not good. Yeah, not good. And it's like, then you're fighting like 18 different battles. It's like, you know, you get your west and front, your eastern front, like people coming at you who really hate you. She's coming at you. You don't even know what you're defending against over here.

It's just like there's no answers. There's a lot of it's just, you're just shooting everything. It's not good. That's the worst part of it. It'd be a lot easier single some of the controversies because I do have thick skin. Like, I don't know. Fuck, like whatever. Sex, they find.

Yeah, I fuck. I was single. But it, when you're in a dedicated relationship, things get complicated, especially with a Colombian. A little dicey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Julie Black, I'm going to drop Silvana at your doorstep like a good. Good luck. Like, how do people get that video?

Did the, the girl say it? Which one? Oh, are there more than one? Are you talking about the sex tape? The sex tape? How does somebody get hold the hat? I think there's three sex tapes. Really?

You got three of them out there? I was flinging it back in the day, but... Slinging and spitting. Yeah. Come on. It's a kid show. It's okay to spit. It's okay to spit.

That's one of those things that, like, you don't... I mean, you might think about it, but I wouldn't think about it. if someone's like spit on me and be like, in the moment. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Listen.

That's the example. Like one of the videos, it's grass. If that girl came out was like, I didn't want this, I'd be fucked. Thankfully,

one of the girls, she's like, I, this is like, what I want it. Like, it's a casual Tuesday. She literally,

after it was over, DM, she's like, you know what? At least going public, like, more guys who are into this will be, like,

reaching out to me. Like, she was into it. But whatever. Uh, but whatever. How did they get out? I don't know. You still don't know.

Did you have the video or did she have the video? We both did. Yeah, I feel like being Dave Portnoy, you can't let them have that video. A lot of them are old and a lot of them like go back to the first ones. Like in my wildest dreams, would anyone give a fuck about watching me?

Fuck, no. Yeah, it's got to be a nice feeling kind of. Well, I don't know that they do it as like, oh my God, I'm going to fuck him. It's more like, you know, a circus, I think. That first one, the day it came out, I mean, I don't, every, bullets were flying.

Everywhere I went. Didn't matter. It could be an old lady. It could be like a little kid. It's like, sorry, sex tape. It's like, oh, thanks, nice. Have a good day. How's the coffee? You know? Like, all right.

Thank you. Yeah. Was it tough watching it being, you know, not horny? Like in the moment, you're going with it, right? Yeah. And when you're watching the, like, a little stuff later. The worst case scenario would be like if he just beat off. And then the video came out, I'd be like, oh.

Yeah. Again, the first one was not. The second one, in Batman. are saying certainly I don't know it is what it is. Everyone fucks. It's so

I never promised to be an angel, you know. Yeah. True. Maybe when you were a little kid Yeah. Right.

I mean, whatever. You handled this well too. I mean, you're a room full of guys were all peppering you about your sex tape. It's a good locker room.

It's a good locker room vibe right here. It is a good locker room vibe. Most people don't care. Do you have anything out there that could possibly be? You never know. Actually, I know you have some stuff out there. People.

Every, son of conversations. Sona conversations that we've had. Yeah, like literally a couple of weeks ago. Everybody, every guy sort of has to. I actually don't, the one thing I don't get is why me personally, maybe because people like me, like every guy has to have shit out there. Most. Like, because you weren't thinking that at early phones.

Like, why, like, mine got released like years after. So I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, there's a couple I got out there that I've literally told my wife about. Like, hey, this video. out there if anything ever comes out, like, you know. So I told the girl that I mentioned prior that when I'm like, she's like, what is it? She knew. I told, I, because believe or not, the, there's a celebrity sex tape guy.

Like he did Kardashian. He did Paris and the Hilton, Paris one night in Paris. The resume. Mine gets sent to him. And he's a fan. So he gives me, he's like, hey, they're shopping this. So it's out there. Like, Fox.

Oh, so you knew. But there's no, there's no relationship. to when it drops. Yeah. And that's the problem of the internet because you can't sell it. And that's how you know I'm not in on it because it's,

you'll never see it released properly because I don't give my, like it's like, no, I don't want that out there. I never give the rights to it to be out there, which is how you know, like Kim and Paris signed off on it because you can't monetize it

unless the person, people involved give it the rights. But with Twitter, people put it up and sucks. It does suck. I don't care. But a girl to have it be out, God knows how it gets out.

I don't know. a million like I'm not beyond if a girl had sent me like a video of her like me sending I don't fucking know it's so long ago and it's like on a Snapchat it's like you think it's gone it's not yeah photos and everything I would be surprised of people that didn't have photos

and stuff out there yeah I just hope whatever comes out about me is good angle you know I know one video that I know is out there is not great it is not a good look for me you know when it comes out

It's like Antonio Brown. He's like releasing shit on Snapchat. Well, he's doing it himself because, right. He's crazy, but you saw him and where was he at when he had pulled his dick out of the pool? That was wild. Yeah, he pulled that. He just kept pulling out of those slinkies, dude. He just kept pulling that thing that kept fucking going.

He was released about Snapchat with one of his baby mamas. And, yeah, the baby mama talks. She's like, this is awful. Like this, Mike, I don't want to stop. Right. Which is, again, the people who released mine were doing it not, hey, look at Dave. We like him. They were done to get me, like to, we're going to fuck with them.

And those people are scumbags because you're not, the damage is definitely more risky for the female who is not proving like me. I've heard what outside maybe Sylvana killing me, then maybe you get your way, but like it's not going to affect. Your Savannah's a dangerous fraud. Yeah, with that. You're not going to get me like I'm more out there. It's only hurting the girl. So I don't know why people do that. And hopefully never have a deal with it again.

Good luck out there. Thanks, buddy. I hope it comes out smooth. What else do we have, boys? Talk about Barstall National. Yeah, we can talk about Michigan when you get back. Are we able to discuss the Barstall Bar? Yeah, are we able to discuss the Barstall bar coming out of Nashville?

When's that thing opening up? I'm not sure. You really don't know. Man, I thought it was going to be this past fall. I'll let me ask. I'll ask him. He said it was going to come out. Dan.

Or Dan, said it was going to come out during the SEC. This year? Yeah. So in like March or something. I think that'll be sick, dude. And you guys are in a good spot too. Great spot, right? Yeah, you guys are a really good spot right next to the pedestrian bridge.

Yeah, old Joe's Crab Shack. I'll find out. You end up gas? Well, yes. No, it was the guy who's open it, right? Like, maybe gas is, do I give gas too much credit? For what? Being so high on the totem pole.

No, he's high. But he's, he's like, He's not putting in. He was our scout. Yeah, he found him. Yeah, he was our scout. Yeah. And he is.

Was he standing on the table for us during the negotiation? He didn't have to. I appreciate that. Can you say that into the mic? Important. Yeah. Well, you knew that. You guys got a big deal.

Just wanted to hear, you know, for the masses watching right now. We do. I kind of remember the hypothetical we were talking about. Because we were arguing over hypothetical. Correct. It wasn't real. Right. I don't remember what the hypothetical was.

Because I thought we had something figured out, and then I felt like the goalpost got moved last minute. Like extra months? It was like, it was over the production money. Yeah, you guys threw in the extra month thing that last conversation. We were all like, okay, yeah, I think we got a deal. And then you or Erica was like, that thing will start up in February when your contract. That's what it was. That was the hypothetical.

We were on the front ago. I was like, Dave, why will we sign a contract if it's not going to start until February? We're taking ourselves off the market. And you're like, I still think there would be big benefit, you know, budding up with us. The contract has already signed. No, not yet. No, wasn't. No.

We had to, we weren't starting the contract until after because football for gambling and for you guys is the biggest season. So we weren't going to let you cut the football season. Correct. Because if we went to the end, you would still have another two football. We didn't want to lose a football season by doing you early. Right. But the contract on the phone, email structured it differently. When Erica wrote up the email to clarify at all, that's when it made more sense. And then when we got on the phone to talk about, we talked over that hypothetical.

Because it was like the contract will start when this deal is up. And it's like, why would we sign a contract right now when we're six months out? Or another way to look at it is it was like a two year, three month or whatever contract. Because we started paying you the new money, I think, right away. Right away. But that was the issue. That got negotiated. Yeah, that was like, that was the part we're on the phone. It's like, well, we won't start the deal until your contract ends.

It's like, well, why would we sign something that locks us up right now if we're not even going to see the new money until February? Right. That wasn't the hypothetical. That was. No, it wasn't. Because you were talking about how beneficial it would still be, even if you guys didn't sell. Oh, that was the hypothetical. Because we were talking about how we would still stand up at the bus with or without the help.

That was the hypothetical. Because we had already agreed what we're doing. But it was like. Because I go, why would we? we would have been dumbed the sign and not see new money until February. And you're like, not necessarily. Correct. And you're like, I still think there's benefit.

Like you guys will still be getting boosted, blah, blah, blah, blah. Correct. That was the hypothetical. Because you had already, we are already doing it the way we described. It was if we weren't doing it that way. Yeah. So then we just started arguing. For like an hour.

Because I'm like, there's benefit to doing it because you're going to be pro and in Barcelona, you'll be bigger. So it's like, yes, it benefits to you. And you're like, well, why do we do it if we don't have, but we had, but we had already decided we were doing it one way. So it was if we weren't doing it that way. My argument was why would we sign now and not see any of the new money until our deal is up February

when we could be standing up the show and like we were talking about... And my friend was like, well, you're already... You'll be... And this is not just with you. Any negotiation, I think Barstall brings to the talent help as well. Like you get promoted across our network.

So if you're promoting bet the boss since being promoted in Barcelona, that helps you guys as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's the biggest selling point to decide with Barcelona. That's what you guys say, hey, we'll put gasoline on your fire. Right, yeah. But we were arguing, he's like, well, why would we do that? But we weren't, we had already agreed, you guys were, basically we extended.

The initial thing, which I- It was a done deal. We just went extra. Yeah, the original argument or discussion point, which I brought in, is, because we want to sign you, we want to sign you before football. season because we didn't want to promote a ton of gambling and then have you go, hey, draft kings, Fandu, look, we're gambling and we just, we got you guys for one gambling season that we can't monetize because it's brand new basically.

And then you just use it to build up your price big times. It's like, let's get the deal done before that. Then we can promote it happily and go through. But we don't want to, if you sign a two-year deal or I forget three-year deal, we don't want to lose the football season. Like we are still under contract for this football season. that just happened. So if we're signing you for two years, we still want those two future football seasons. We don't want to lose one because we cut the contract short. That is what, like we're saying.

Now, we agree. We're like, we'll just essentially rip the contract up, start over, instead of saying a two-year contract, it's a two-year plus football, so two-point-four year contract. That's essentially what we did. And then it was just a hypothetical if we weren't doing the two-point-four, if we're just doing the two, like, should you guys even do, like, football? And I'm like, yeah, because we're going to promote you. Like, well, we're not getting paid for it yet. That was kind of what it was. But also, because we were going into the negotiation, you're wanting to get something

done before football season started. Correct. That's what made me think the two-year deal would start when we got the new contract signed. And then the last conversation was, all right, this will start after the- correct. And we were going back, it had nothing to do with money. And then it was like, why would we sign something? And then it was like, okay, it's going to be pro-rated.

You said move the goalpost, correct. Yeah. And that's when it, so you thought we were doing it for a different reason. We were doing it to make sure we got three football seasons with you. You thought we were trying to save money for like four months, basically. Yes. Right. So it's like, no, we'll, we'll.

It's like no honor the rest of your deal, but we want to sign you. Like, we're going to get you for the future. Right. Because for us, ripping, when we say we'll start the contract instantly and we're doing two years, to us, that means you hit the market right before football. year three or whatever it is when if we didn't rip it up and start early that you like we wanted whenever the contract ends we want to be right one football ends that's yeah that's and we want to keep it on that schedule yeah so that's what we did and then we were just going back and we agreed on that

like yeah we were so it was it was the wording because like yeah we'll start your new pay rate but the actual new contract doesn't start till it would have started anyways and then we just looked at I think it's, whatever, it's a 2.4-month contract. Then we just started arguing about a 4-4-year contract. Two-year-old, two-year-month contract. Yes. And, I mean, we argued about this for an hour. We couldn't, like, it would want.

I'd be at camp, and I get like a phone call. And we're arguing on, like, a phone call. The deal was done, and we'd be winding down. And me, well, I got one last thing to say about that. Well, yeah, I wasn't coming in there aggressive like that. Yeah, yeah. We were, like, going back, it was like, done. Because it was the hypothetical we were talking about, all of that stuff

was correct. The hypothetical is if there was no, that new pay rate started. Correct. They was like, no, I still think you would benefit even if you locked in for the future. I'm like, no, we wouldn't. Correct. Which we probably would. But also, we would be able to have the football season to basically put together a, you know, like a resume, what something could look like to somebody else.

Right. And that's what you weren't wanting to pay us on in the first place. That was it. It's like if you didn't get the pay raise, would there be benefit for those for me? Yeah. And we were going back and forth. And we both at time be like, just so we both understand, we've already reached the deal. Then we would laugh.

And then we'd be like, but also. Yeah. I think I got done. Yeah, me too. I know. Yeah, it is. It's been awesome. Jim Harbaugh announced, what, this week?

Coming back. For those who are listening now, this is what, we get the Super Bowl? Mm-hmm. How do you feel about Harbaugh coming back? Now, just, okay, that's awesome. But, well, last time you sat in that chair, you asked me, do you think, Harbaugh should be fired. And I said, yes.

Because you also tweeted, Harbaugh should be gone. Yeah. Because we are both in agreement that he needs to go. Yeah, you got a lead from the front, Will. Now, you got a lead from the front.

You got a lead from the front. As Michigan men, you can't accept what was happening there. Some people, and I remember getting a fight with the school, it was after we lost like,

I don't know, 60 to 20 or something and I was at the game. And people are like, they tried hard. We had a good season. We lost the Ohio. I'm like,

no, no, no. This isn't Nebraska. This isn't some, second-rate school. This is Michigan where you beat Ohio State. We are excellent. Don't accept this. Oh, we stayed. Maybe it was the game on the bad spot on fourth down. I don't remember. It's like being close at Michigan, that's what Michigan is. We want. We want Natty's. You want Natty's, but you lay down every opportunity you get to it. Hey, hey, buddy, you don't need to be talking about

getting to Natty's like you guys haven't sniffed nattie since the new century started. We both sniffed the Natty the last time at the same time. We were two games away. Oh, wow. We were one series away from being, yeah. 10 games away. Everybody's upset if you don't win the Nattie. We played bad against TCU and we barely lost.

We played bad. We lost that game. We don't have to defend ourselves to you. You. Trust me. I know about playing bad and ended up still barely losing. For a guy who's Big Ten, Big Ten, he's the fastest to start attacking Big Ten members. Yeah, he will take the Portnoy approach where he's like, I don't.

I wanted to see is I said when it happened, if they embarrassed, and it was fucking embarrassing. It was a phenomenal game. Then they go and TCU gets dog walked in the nattie. But what is that? We're a better team. We're a better team than TCU. We just lost. Wait, wait, buddy, we had two pick sixes and a fumble exchange.

The people like you, this are circular thing. All right, TCU beat us. Fine. Well, Ohio State should have beaten Iowa. I mean, Georgia, they were a miss field goal. We dog walked Ohio State. So what does that mean? Each game is its individual entity.

It's like rock paper scissors. There's always one to beat another. I understand the losing metric. I get those games. I've done it for years now with Nebraska. Not this last year. I get the thinking. I get the spin zone you bring up every now.

No, no. There's no comparison between Nebraska. Michigan right now arguably is positioned as well as any college football team in America. No, they're not. No, they're not. The whole line came back. Their whole line came back. Yeah, they came back this past year

and you guys couldn't fucking win the... You guys couldn't make the push for the national title. We did make a push for the national. We were in the national. It was a lot of the ball. We were doing the cause of football play. If you lay down, you've been the knee. We did not lay down.

Yeah, two times in a row. You can't remember where this program was four years ago. We were you. Exactly. We're in our hero's journey right now. We're fucking... No, you're not. We got to go through the bullshit to get back to the top of taste of sweet nectar.

We're in the system. Let me tell you this, Will. If you said, hey, you're going to make it to the... the national title semifinal are going to be in the in the final for the next two years you would give a kidney you would give a kidney no i wouldn't brother you might give it all about fucking naties naties but we're working there no laid to stand on to be all about natties you should be all about we have five of us we have five we have a leg to stand on we have a no but we're building we are building to where we're going to you guys you guys are topped out how we talked out you guys went to the

you guys went to the uh you guys went to the play off twice and you don't even have a top We had all of our best players come back and we had the best transfer portal class this year. You didn't. We were number one. Number one? We either had number one or the most amount of transfer. There we go.

There it is. We were number one or. We, the first year we made the playoff. We lost by, what, 30? Last year we were one kickaway where we're still moving up. Sure, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You didn't make it. Didn't make it where? To the finals. To the title game. When you should have been. Listen, I, I, I, I, I'm known. You would have could have got a game.

I'm not in disrespect CCU guy. There's not, there's no reasoning and reasoning with a, there's no reason and reasoning with an unreasonable man. No, he is in the class right now. That's what it is. It's like since Nebraska stinks, he's going to try to pull the entire conference down. No, I try to push the conference forward.

No, I don't think. That's on record. That's on record. But the minute versus this truck, you fold it. You fold it a long chair. It doesn't, it doesn't. The minute six, the pick six through, he's like, you guys are a joke.

I'm embarrassed. No, that's not true. Fucking pull up your phone. I just said, what's going on right now. Do something. I told you to do something. Because you like to leave from the front. I was the leaving from the front.

I was like, do something because you're in the front. And I was yelling. I didn't see you during the game at all. I told you where I was sitting. You're in the 50-yard line. And literally, we would walk past Michigan's island every single time we passed. I'd look in. I'm like, hey, we had to interview Portnoy doing this thing.

You know what's crazy? I saw my freshman year roommate. Oh, really? I hadn't fucking talked to him since my freshman year. What's he doing? I don't know. But you just saw him. I was,

you guys shared a dorm. The Fiesta Bowl, yeah. The Fiesta Bowl guy, like brought me down to the 50-yard line. They were super nice. It's like,

I can't wear it in the merch. He gave me like my own jersey, all this shit. But he, when I did that, he was like in the crowd. I was like, Dave, Dave,

I looked. It's like fucking Billy. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. What about Billy? I don't have to miss. Harbaugh's come back.

Their teams, I think the quarterback, though he didn't play great. I think he's going to have a very big year. I think they are poised loaded. When does the playoff switch to 16? 2024. So this next season?

No. So we get one more year? One more year. Which Michigan will be in again? I agree. I think they go undefeated again. Georgia has a down year. Undefeated.

You guys got a big game. In the big game. You guys. Big game week for the Buston Bowl. The Buston Bowl. Are you, uh, N.I. Allen? What do you mean? What do I mean?

What I mean? Explain. Your book? The recruits? Yeah. No. I don't need to do that. Why? You do need to do that.

Do you do that? Is that what you're insinuating? I asked you if you did it. Right. I'm not doing it. And you said, why? So I'm, I'm assuming. Well, you're, you're an alum.

Yeah, what does that mean? Nebraska, you stink. You need players. Money talk. We're getting players, brother. We had a good, we had a good transfer portal year. And we also had, I believe. I mean, is that one.

I believe a top 20. I believe a top, I'll say top 30, top 30, top 30 recruits. Oh, top 30. Very nice. And we hired Matt Roo. Our recruiting class wasn't that great. Very nice. Top 30. I don't care about it. I'm a sure. Oh, you don't care. Winnings now. We have the team to win now.

We didn't have a good recruiting class. I don't think, I think we were maybe top 15. For a top of 10. We were better than Nebraska. Yes, we're better than that. Compared to him. I'm asking me in Nebraska, we're top 30? I know. But brother, we've been a decade of losing. Yeah, you're terrible. You got to figure out where the meter is. You got to move it. This isn't the 90s.

What is going to make somebody go to Nebraska? Matt Rule. Yeah, Matt Rule. Matt Rule. The guys like the guy's like me. Yeah. You know what I mean? They have this platform. You guys are squeezing your butt cheeks together. Matt Rule, I've heard, be like, don't come.

If you want money, we're not at the place to go. Let me tell you something. That's not what recruits want to hear. It depends on what kind of recruit it is. Yeah, the ones who can play. Those ones who can play will jump shoot immediately. We were number 17. One behind South Carolina, JP.

You know as well as anybody. It's about culture. What is this? The overall recruit? We are five. That's fucking, that's a good recruiting class. For the decade we've had, that's good. Which sucks.

Yeah, that's good. They're best up-and-coming linebacker transferred to Michigan. No one. No, that's not true at all. Guess what? We just got a transfer from Georgia, a linebacker. Who probably would have never played. Never.

Maybe at Georgia, but guess what? Another man's treasure is another man's treasure. Pull up the transfer portal. Listen, I have actually a ton of respect for the history of Nebraska, which pains me to hear you say, look at us. We're top 30. No, no, no. That's a good point.

We're just talking about, no, no, no. That's, you're fucking shifting the narrative. No, I'm not. All I says, we had a top 30. You're getting, you're saying where trash. A number two guy. Number two in the transfer portal. Got them.

You're saying wear trash because we've lost in the semi-final game. In your, your, you're, you got your palm bombs out for top 30 recruiting class. I don't got my palm palms. I know I fucking don't. If we rewind the tape, you have your polo. Bump homes out. No, I'm just saying that was a good recruiting year for the decade long of losing that we've had. Well, I mean, Michigan was really down before they turned around these last two years.

Right. Like before Michigan beat Ohio two years ago, I honestly would have said, I'll bet everything on Ohio. Like, I didn't think we had a shot to be down there. I know you were calling for Harbaugh's head. Yeah, because he needed time. We both did and we both can say now, hey, we were wrong. And he is the next Bo Schembeckler. Right.

So people can do that. Like, I don't like the people who turn around. Like, I never said there. Yeah, I wanted him gone. He was what there? Five, six years. And we're 0 and six. And we weren't just losing.

We were getting fucking smoked. So what you're saying is you're allowed to change your mind. I am somebody who has the intelligence to be like, if you provide me the facts and the information, I can admit, I was wrong. Clearly, the right move was made. Right. So I was wrong. I don't know. What do you want me to say?

talking about how I changed my mind in certain situations, but you're basically admitting that it's okay to change your mind. Of course. Yeah. Or admit, you were wrong, yes. He's talking about jumping ship on the big 10. No, I know what he's saying. What are you saying?

He's talking about, he's coming at me for jumping ship on the big 10. I'm not saying I jump ship on the big 10. You jumped ship on the big chat. You did do that. You got it. There was a part of you who liked the fact that we lost. No. No.

No. I wanted Michigan to win. No. I wanted, I wanted Ohio State to be Georgia. We know. I wanted them to be Georgia. I wanted you guys to play Georgia. you guys needed to write that wrong.

Man, we would have won that game too. See, I don't write. The people, just like me, we're all woulda, should have could have guys. No, we're not in the same boat. We're saying the same narrative, but we're in a yacht. Like, you're in a rowboat right now trying to get to the yacht. What we're doing. We're at that part of our hero's journey.

We're going to come back. We got our guy in the seat right now. Matt Roole, Coach Rule. 18 in one season. It's like, oh, we could have gone undefeated. And you're all sitting there on like a two-win fucking Saints theme. be like, wow, that week two game, we could have would have should have. I mean, they're very, if we're in rarefied air, we're playing for national.

But we're not far off. We're not far off. Nebraska's not far off from Michigan. No, buddy, buddy, we won by 31 points last game. Yeah, that was last game. That was two years ago. Three points. You're only as good as your last game.

We shouldn't won that game. Which was in the 31? No, two years ago. We were the best three-win team in the, in college football history. That is not arguable. That is fact. This is the best three-win team, but. Is this exhausting for you?

No. Because every year you have to defend. arguably the worst team college football. Because I know what's, I know what's, I know it's going to be conceived at all this. Yeah, I do. I just don't know the timing on it. But I know this.

I got Nebraska's back every fucking year. Yeah, you have their back. And I'll take the heat. That's from the front. Hey, what was the stat you were telling me about, Nebraska is the only team not to make a Power 5 team to not make a bowl game in how many years? They made a bowl game last year, Buston Bowl.

I mean, a bull game, let's say, like, like, that's sponsored by like a Capital One or. This season, yeah. Yeah, pinstripe. Yeah, it hasn't been for a while. but we don't care to go bowling. We want to fucking chase national titles. And we can't do that.

I don't give a fuck if we go to a cheese bowl. We're trying to develop. We're trying to develop in the wintertime. Five, six years ago. If Dave and I sat there and said we're chasing national championships, we would have laughed at the fucking building. At that point, we were like, hey, let's work on a Big Ten championship. We have conquered the Big Ten championship.

We are the kings of the Bay Ten. Now we're looking for national titles. You got to set those goals. You can put that up in your meeting room and be like, oh, yeah, national title boys, everybody's got a shot right now. But right now, how about just win the – Was it the east or the west? You're in the west.

Just win the west. I also say this. People have disagreed with me on this. Michigan, yeah, the more success you have, obviously you want to win the whole thing. Michigan's new round of success were not there yet. Like, I'm very happy with that season. It sucked the way it ended. But always, Michigan going undefeating the Big Ten and beating Ohio State in a game like

that is always going to be a successful season of Michigan. It is. That game that matters that much. both undefeated, you stomp on them. People are going to be happy with this season. They are. You guys don't really have a rival like that, but it changes. It's not, right. I know. I know. I know we know.

We were talking about Michigan, Ohio State. Like Auburn, Alabama, if they're both undefeated and they're playing the Iron Bowl, whoever wins that game, the rest is definitely gravy. I don't care how many Alabama titles they have. You beat Auburn, you're both undefeated in that game. That's a good season for that team. Things will change with the 16-team playoff too. But there's so,

few teams to get to the final four, that's a fucking big accomplishment. Yeah, you should be proud of that. But again, it's like, we need Michigan to win to help represent the Big Ten. So instead of jumping ship right away, you should keep pushing the right direction.

All I said was, all I said from the beginning was I need accountability. It's on you guys. If we can't fucking put a good product to get the national title. You were in my grill mix in the second quarter.

No, I was, I said, I said, I said, do something. I didn't, it wasn't chirping me. What is that? that. So you're saying you never take shots at me. It'll be mid-game on Nebraska and you're by, hey, what's going on? My lights are out. You know what I'm saying? You lose power. Miami

is Storm City. The the wind comes in there. And I will quote money. I knew your shit though in a lowly meaningless game. Not the playoff game. The stakes are high in my world. They're low in your world. No, that's not true. Let me quote. Let me quote. Let me quote. Division two teams. Who have we lost in the Division II world?

question. They're D1, brother. You haven't lost any D2 teams? And that, again, and you've said it. That was on foreign soil. I know, but I'm not fighting that battle right now, Will. What do you think we are? It's Nebraska. And let me quote Moneyball. Um, hang on. I'm going to, let me quote Moneyball. If you don't win your last game, it doesn't even matter. We won our last game. I just gave you a direct quote slash story to contract that. Michigan when their last game? Well, I mean, I felt like you're about to put some heat down there. told you if you go 10 and all and beat Ohio State,

you had a great season. So yes, it matters. He's lost to Georgia Southern. I think, hey, look them up. I think they're D1. You guys lost to Georgia's in. We lost to a Georgia college football team. We are, you know what I'm saying?

We didn't get beat by like 30. They are D1, but recently, I think they went up. But that's a Georgia college football team. We didn't lose to them by like 30, like, 30. Somebody did. I'm going to tell you right now, I think when your head coach is saying don't come here if you're interested in money, that's not good. Listen, don't worry about what kind of pockets we got. We got deep fucking pockets.

I don't think you do. I don't think you do. Listen, this is where I do have to agree with Will. Nebraska has, they've got money there. Why? What do you mean? They do. They have their alumni rolls deep.

I thought farming was like down and shit. Have you donated to Michigan? No, they asked me a lot. Do they ask you a lot? You're not. My biggest thing is, why do they not use you as a vessel? I think it's ridiculous. And I actually asked somebody on Michigan.

I don't ask them. We didn't get to bring the bus. We didn't get to bring the bus to Michigan because they don't want association with Dave Portnoy. That's what I heard. I've sat next to Ward Emmanuel, literally at the Big Ten basketball championship. Sat next one. He invited me as a guest, probably because I ain't cutting the checks.

Would you cut a check? I don't know. Are you cutting checks for a crease? I think it's worth, listen, it's worth it? I said they'd have to wear my name on their jersey, though. Like, that's my guy. Put your, like, Twitter name I don't know, it's tough.

Here's the thing. Here's my conflict. Michigan has a shitload of money. It's like, why should they need the alum who have paid a shit ton to go there? Like, to me, as a normal pedestrian student, when I signed to go to Michigan and decided part of the deal is, like, I went there because they got good sports. I'm a sports guy.

I like doing it. The school is fucking charges. a trillion dollars to go there, where's all the fucking money? Like, so they can make more, that's my inherent issue. Why does it fall back on alumni when they should do it? So why don't you go to Michigan and say, I'll donate money, but I want to know exactly where it goes, and you have to show me. Like, to the football team, you're talking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, if you and I were to donate, that's where we would put our money. I'd want to be, I said that. I'd want, like, I'd want to be in, like, a round table, like, study and film be like, go get that guy. I don't know that I just want them spending my money with them. I may be call a play or two. Yeah. I'm sure you call it play like it gets Nebraska

next year. Well, yeah. Like a real play. Like a real play. Like it matters. Like the first play the game against Ohio State. Now would it have to be you of the open full playbook? Or do they give you three or four plays? There's a company that what's the fucking name of? It's a clothing company who does a lot that reaches out a decent amount. But they did and

they do it the same with Dan at Wisconsin. have you been asked? Yeah. Yeah. So I think they pay attention clearly to who is starting to get money and who can help. And NIL is going to be important. But I haven't figured out why Michigan doesn't have unlimited money to begin with to give to these kids. They do.

And Michigan owns like 85% of Ann Arbor. Right. They do it through collectives. All the boosters, they put together those collectives. Why do you even need boosters? Well, that's the collective is the middleman that ends. paying all the NIL money. Maybe because it's a state school.

Yeah, that mission was the first school to start that. They did like a go fund me, the one more year fund, which supposed is what help kept keep. But it was only like 100 grand in there, right? Zach Zinter and Trevor King. Yeah, but that's not a ton of money. Like a hundred grand.

Blake Corum is going to get like 80% of that. I mean, it is to a college kid. Is it to like a top recruit? Like I'm seeing guys, I feel like guys are getting Like, I heard that the, like, C.J. Stroud was offered like five millions of stay. Fuck. He didn't. But I wouldn't either.

If you were, if you were, C.J. Strat, you're going to be a top ten pick. Right. That's just a lot of money. But Ohio State really just doesn't produce quarterbacks like that. Who's buddy from Chicago? Justin Fields. He's good. No, he's like, he's their best hope right now.

It's good running. But all the... He's a running back. Oh, that's, I hope Lamar Jackson doesn't hear you say that. He's a fan of the pod. Well, uh, Lamar's running back, though. Oh, I don't know.

I can't. I mean, he's a quarterback who can run the ball really well. I would go on that. He's Mike Vic. They're both Mike Vic. Like, he's got weapons as legs, dude. But he's still a quarterback. He's still at the whip.

I, uh, if, I would rather play a quarterback who I wanted to run before throw. And I would rather, defensive player? Yes. You'd rather play, my favorite team. You'd rather play like a Lamar Jackson than, Payton or Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco. Yeah, I mean, Flacco win.

And it's prime? Prime. Yeah, maybe. Yes. And Rogers? Rogers can run a little bit. Tom Brady. Tom Brady. Yeah, clearly. Five years ago. Yeah, I'd rather, I'd rather play Lamar. Like, I think, I think you can game plan. And I too, what seat are you sitting in? Coach?

Defense coordinator. Defensive coordinator? Like, I think if you can make, and I think that's what's happened to Lamar in the playoffs. I think if you can make him pull the ball down and run, you can beat him. And that's not just a Lamar thing. I think that, like, you know who I think is a great example because he can fucking run is Josh Allen. Can fucking run.

But I do run motherfuckers over. Yeah, but I think he's all. Jump over him or run through them. I always think he's passed first. I think Lamar is run first. And I think that's very hard to win a Super Bowl that way. As a coordinator, I can see where you're coming from there, like from, you know, just playing against like Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning

or some of these cats. But like, as a defensive player out there, you'd rather play a, fucking pocket passer. Yeah. And I, so what is a linebacker? Maybe not as a D.I. As somebody who's watching like the games and like a fan, I feel like Lamar is going to put up huge, huge, huge numbers against the lesser half of the league.

Like the Patriots. Well, that's a cheap shot. But as the competition goes in the playoffs and you start playing the elite teams in the league, that tends to stop working. Yeah, coaching really plays a huge. factor. Yeah. And even like,

um, who, who, who Baltimore just beat them? I mean, lose two. Um, angles.

Bengals. Like, teams like Baltimore consistently, even though they lost that game, they get physical and they muck it up and defenses against, like, running quarterbacks, I feel like they make it really,

I mean, has Lamar one, once he won one playoff game? I don't think he has he won. Yeah, like, they beat us. He beat us.

Oh, that's right in 2020. Lamar, yeah. Yeah. Yes, and he's been like MVP during the regular season. Yeah, but you can definitely make the argument that they win that game against the Bengals if they had Lamar.

A healthy Lamar. Yeah, maybe. Well, I mean, that last play. I mean, they put up, they put up. By the way, I like Lamar. Like, when Lamar was up, they didn't score over 17 points the rest of the year. But they weren't doing great with them either this year. I don't know.

I just, it, the running has any true running quarterback? Like, I'm talking, when I say, running, I mean run first. I think Lamar's the only one like that. Run around, but yeah, you're right. Lamar's probably the only one that if you were to make an argument he's run first. Yeah, Vic was that way. Vic was that way.

He's not playing. I'm saying guys right now. Who is there anybody else like that right now? Kyleor Murray? Definitely. Capernick did come close. Yeah, Kyler, he was, I don't know what he was this year. Jill Hurdst those first. He's got a squad around him. But he runs the rock, too. Like his, you know, on the app and stuff,

it's like over under 70, 80 yards. Like, I just am, I don't know. I'm not worried about Lamar beating me with. I'm more worried about how we get your relationship better with Michigan so that we can get the terrain in that. I don't think it's as bad as Will South. I thought. I saw the email.

It was like from one of the associate AD saying we don't, you know, we can't have this on campus because we don't affiliate with Barstool. Was it Barstool or Dave? I think it was bars. But we, the first time you said, you said, Dave,

and I, I thought it was bar stools. Yeah, I believe it's worse. But we, we, we toured their locker room like two years ago.

Like they, yeah, but you know how it is when you're in with the individual, like individuals versus like the overall, let's protect the brand, are like, you know,

this stuff could be a bad look. Interesting. So is it, it's the football program or is Michigan. Michigan, I bet. Well, yeah,

that could be true. Michigan's kind of like a pussy school in a lot of respects. well, that may not help, but like, it's... I'm my, I'm Nebraska. Like, no, I'm saying, I understand what Dave is saying. Like Michigan with the COVID shit was the worst. That's the true.

No, I don't agree. I don't think Michigan's a pussy school. No, I don't think Michigan's a pussy school. I think. Pussy's up there's what Dave's saying. What do you think? I didn't go to the school for education. I was a general studies major. Listen, Michigan, Michigan's an interesting state in general,

But, like, the Michigan was like the leaders of, like, not playing football during, like, COVID and shit. I think Nebraska wanted to play. Anywhere anytime, brother. Yeah. Like, Michigan was the line like, no, no, no. Like so, and that wasn't coming. I don't think it from, that wasn't from Harbaugh. That was from, like, the president of the school, I think.

So they, they're a kind of liberally wacky school at times. They are. I'm not touching it. I'm not. I don't know if I go this and I'm like, dude. They are. They definitely are. I can understand why you would say that.

but when we didn't know I had a bad role in the football team like how do we get bar stool like the barstool college football show how do we get

you guys in Ann Arbor in the heart of Ann Arbor yeah basically right on the campus literally you could throw a baseball off the stadium are we bringing that thing

okay because I was under the wrong impression I thought you guys weren't allowed that's why we weren't allowed to bring the bus yeah we couldn't bring the bus it worked out better because

I think Michigan is barely off your ACL like I think Michigan is the closest we all to a stadium. Like, it literally is across the street. Like in the tailgate area? It's,

it's, if you're, it's like the main entrance, I forget what street, but it, I mean, it couldn't be closer. Yeah.

Yeah, that's interesting. You guys are going to do that show there next year. I don't know what we're doing for live shows because the gambling shit. That's right. You like the most spots where gambling is active. No,

they, they're coming out now with new laws that says you can't be on a college campus. It's crazy. If there's gambling involved? Just, yeah, because we're on by Penn. Oh, that fucking sucks. Is that going to be across the board with like college game day? It has to be 21 plus.

Which is like, how do you do that at like an outdoor pregame show? Will that affect college game day? Maybe. This article's been written about it. Damn, that's wild. Yeah. It's crazy. And by like, our guy, JJ McCarthy, he was like the first one to reach out to be like a barstool athlete.

JJ is a fan. I don't, that fucking sucks. especially if it does that to college game day. Well, I'd be more concerned about us, frankly. Oh, yeah, no. I mean, I'm glad you're so concerned about one of our chief rivals, but I am very concerned about us. I remember being in college, like playing Notre Dame,

and then it was the first night game and, like, college game day was on campus, like right in the diag. And I thought, oh, that's, that's cool. I thought that was, like, a really cool thing. So that's where my head went on that. Obviously, I'm worried about Barstool, as well. Appreciate it. I don't view you two as competitors.

No, I clearly, you were on their show during the Michigan game. During the Michigan game and College of Day. Yeah, actually, I did say, I was at the game. I said that to you, like, that night that your girl thought I was gay, and you're like, oh, it's great. And you kind of just walked away. Like, you were, you didn't. Well, what was I going to say? You are kind of your own entity.

In a way, it can be good for us. It's absolutely is good for you guys. If I go on a College Game Day show and they're like, what does Taylor Wan do? What did you do it with? college game day. Oh, I was talking about the thing. You know with the mega cast? Yes.

You know who I was doing with. No, I don't. McAfee. No, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, it was literally Pat McAfee's megacast. Oh, no, I didn't know that. Yeah. No, I didn't know that.

So, but I'm saying if I go on there and I do a good show, people are going to be like, oh, what else does this guy do? Oh, he does a podcast called Bus from the Boys. So who's a Bus from the Boys affiliated with? They're affiliated with Barstool. And so that helps more eyes. I go, now I go, you guys watch a show, you guys enjoy it, I go to headquarters.

Like, if we were doing, let's say we're doing a live stream at that Michigan game, then it's competitive. Yeah, I guess it would be. But then you guys just asked me to do the live stream if you guys and I would. Right. Yeah, that's fair.

Totally fair. Yeah. Because I think it's a good, it's a good thing to be on, if you can be on those like CBSes. Weirdly, weirdly, I don't view, like, you bring on the Maccvie. I don't view him.

nearly like I don't view the ESPN side of it like the only part I see competitive with him is more like the Fandool yeah then what she can't promote on ESPN I don't think anyways is their draft Kings is their draft kings yeah which to be honest I don't even know he gets away with that right right that's kind of the same as that conversation we're talking about right now yeah that's crazy to me that he that I wonder how I finesse that he does he does a great job yeah his show his show does great and then you had a thing that came out when he signed that fan dual deal is like they could have got all of Barstool for that at one point when he was there yeah A hundred million what they didn't offer.

And at that point, yeah, McAfee was still there. McAfee and I, McAfee wanted to do a radio show with me before he did. He wanted to do a radio show with you. Before, but after he left Barstool, we talked about him coming back to Barstool. And we were talking about contracts and all this. And he wanted to do a radio show with me. And then he called me is like, you're not going to match it. I don't blame you.

Fandu is paying me like a stupid amount of money. Is that the first Fanduil deal or this past one? First. Yeah. So, ma'am. So one in, well,

you were with Penn, so you couldn't go just do it anyway. No, yeah, we were already locked up. Yeah. And at that point, he was one of the first big ones.

Like Penn would never have paid what they pay. They still wouldn't pay. Like, I mean, it's a, it's a never-ending cycle because they're renting Pat. Yeah. Like,

they rent, um, who's the other guy, the guy from my, amy that, uh, lebitard. Like, they rent Lebertard. Like, I think he got 30 mil or something for his show. Do you ever look at, uh, deals like that and think about it from your situation?

Like in a way of, you could have licensed and kind of just re- No, I mean, yeah, sure, sure. I look at it a little bit, but we, we set the market. We've been good for everybody. And it's like, you know, I am sort of an honor your contract type guy. and we're the first quarterback or first pitcher we just set the market

like it was I had no regrets when we did it like I was like holy shit that's a ton of money so it's hard to look back and then be like I want different and just because you get caught comparing yeah and we'll have our time

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code busing to save 10% the blacktucks.com slash busing, back to the episode. Here you go, boy. When you're saying you'll have your time, you mean two years from now, your contract with Penn. Yeah, I could never go to.

Be a free agent. No, I would never. You have a non-compete clause. You're technically, oh, really? I would never. I technically be a free agent. Not in the gambling space. Yes.

But could. I think why I sold is like I'm never, I don't even, to be honest, I don't even know if I do, but I would never do that. Ever. I don't care how much. My like, if draft king's like, we'll give you 500 million for like a year. I still wouldn't do it. Well, hold on. Why not?

Fuck's over like so many people have actually. equity in pen and I'm being like, do this, do this, and I'm going to go directly compete against it. I just wouldn't feel. Very honorable. Very honorable statement. There's plenty of other verticals. I can go make money, but to just turn around and basically, and even Jay, who bought Barstool, he put his neck out there. Nobody knew how that was going to work.

Like, we weren't a ton of people. And it's just a big, fuck you. There's, no, I wouldn't. I just wouldn't do that. Not a big throw the first punch guy. You're a throw the second punch guy. Yeah. Yeah.

time. Like if Penn disassociated with me, like we cut him loose because he's a fucking scumbag. Different story. Now you're going to fan do. No problem. Yeah, right. That's happening. Yeah, but no, I plan on being with Penn and Barstool in some capacity doing gambling because I'm a natural gambler

like forever. And when you say some capacity, let's just say the rest of that capacity, what could you see yourself doing? Like going in with a different vertical somewhere else that doesn't associate with Russell? Not being as in the day to day with contracts. And like, you know.

Like truly an employee type of situation. Just I'm on my own world doing my own like, yeah, content. Yeah. Because if the outside looking in, it seems like that's what you're doing, not knowing us all having conversations. Yeah. Well, you're living in Miami. You're all over the place.

But you probably know that because I was heavily involved in like you guys. Yeah. So we have a lot of employees and I'm heavily involved in a lot of those. Yeah. So if our contract's up in two years, our contract is up the same time of yours is. I believe it's like the exact whatever. you will not you will probably not be involved in our contract. Yeah, maybe somewhat.

Like we have certain people and I don't know if you guys, you may have been that. Like there are content people who very much are like, as long as you're here, I'm comfortable because I know how you think and like what you go to bat for and things like that. So I don't. And Penn's great and everybody,

but they're like, I just know things aren't going to change drastically as long as you're like here and involved. So that capacity, I may be like I think. Caleb and his contract has like, if Dave leaves, my contract voids type thing. Yeah. So there may just, there even may be someone else at some point have like, if there's

a dispute, like Dave gets to settle it. Like, I'm fine with that type shit just because people, I know, most people know how I'm going to land on like shit before I even land. So it's like, if they think they're right and they're like Dave will know them right, then they feel comfortable. So maybe something like that. I just the day to day traveling and stuff like that. Probably.

Yeah. No, there is definitely a thought of like when the contract negotiation was going down, Will and I would talk and I'd be like, well, how long is Dave's? Is that, does that exceed Dave's? Not because we don't like Barcelona or anything. It's like we know what you put on paper on a consistent basis. Like this dude's been doing it for this long. He has the vision of what's going like you and Dan are probably two people we would lean on.

Right. In sort of in those types of situations. And I think it's natural. And again, I trust and love Penn and Eric in that conversation. I think people are just like, well, if you remove then, who is, who is Penn? Like, it's just a company, like you don't know exactly. It's like, so what changes, what goes down. So I think there's just that layer there.

But again, I have a shit ton of Penn stock. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't, that also I want that stock to do well. And some people say, no, but I don't want to do anything that would hurt that because there's a lot of money involved there. Yeah. I'm going to need some of that stock soon. Yeah, well, you got to get out of the NFL probably. Yeah, that's a fair point.

Should we do tear talk? Yeah, we'd love to do tear talk. Let's do tear. How long have we been going? Is this like, did you guys pre-do this? Like, we're going to beat Rogan's time? No. We just know.

We've low key been leaking into the two hour. Yeah. For a minute now. For a while, I think the last one we just did, Rule. He was in two hours. It kind of's been going that way. I feel like these conversations just go well, and it kind of ends when.

ends. Was that a nerve-wracking thing for you thinking like Joe's time? Yeah, if you go short, there is a vibe of like, fuck, man. Was he not enjoying it? When they say he's like, that's three hours. I knew you asked it on the show, but I was also like, that would be my thought too. Very well. His studio is fucking trippy. It's super dark.

He's got like the ceiling with like, it looks like stars and shooting stars like going by. That's cool. Like a Rolls-Royce. What's that? Like the roofs of Rolls Royce. They have like stars. Yeah, yeah. Yes, that's what it looks like.

So it just went quick and I didn't know what to expect. A cigar, I was doing a little whiskey. I don't drink whiskey anymore. Not anymore. I just don't drink whiskey. But I thought it went quick. His guy's good. I've never noticed that.

The way he pulls stuff up on the board. Yeah, I really didn't know what to expect. And it's funny because his producer, Jamie, knew a ton about barstall. He'd done all the research. And he came before Joe. He's like, he may talk all barstle or he may talk no barstall. So I really don't know. He just goes.

So. Yeah, he is really one of one. Yeah. The way he does stuff. Do you guys grab dinner before or you just showed up? Yeah, just showed up. So you guys met on the mic? Pretty much.

Wow. He gave me a tour of his studio and then he went. Yeah. How big is it? Huge. Huge. Yeah. Bigging this warehouse?

Way bigger. Okay. Yeah. We are in a warehouse, though. We moved up a little bit. Yeah. Because he was in the shed the last time we were. Yeah.

no AC there either though Yeah that one was off generators At the shed Way nicer than our first office Like way nicer This is our third office technically Our first office was the gravel parking lot Yeah

We used to steal power From the RV company right next door Yeah We just overhead With them and if they didn't have them all plugged in We'd plug one in for the generator Yeah bossy was there with us Back left

Yeah Yeah They would get mad The train would come by We were literally like the train the railroad was like right there and train would come by we'd have to either pause or we'd just talk through it yeah i'd be like hey there's a train this is adversity yeah i like um tier talk so tier talk is basically our fans we put them in a tier system so tier talk is the category is going to be pizza food chains

so your classics your pizza hut your dominoes your blah blah blah blah and then we start at the bottom work your way up leave a little anticipation for that tier one will we'll start with you i think dave's aware are you aware of tier talk Yeah. I would love for Dave to go first. All right. So just bought them. I'm not really aware of tear talk.

So go bottom. Yeah, you can definitely call the bluff there. Yeah, top three, three, two, one. You can throw in an honorable mention if you'd like this one. Wait, but you're saying three is the worst. Three is your third place. It's all podium. It's all podium.

So these are all on the... Yeah. Okay. Worth the Olympics, bronze, silver, gold. Now, you can, we can take five minutes here. This doesn't have to be a rush deal. And I can go first because I do feel like I have mine. Are you like to play...

Are you like a gambler from a card standpoint? you like playing cards? I'm not as big as I am in sports, but I certainly know cards. Yeah. I've never gambled in sports ever. I know that makes sense, sort of.

No, a lot of guys in the NFL, they gamble on baseball and basketball. I've never really... You can still gamble in other sports. Yeah, you can even gamble in college football. You can do that.

Yeah, you can do all that. You just can't gamble on the NFL if you play in the NFL or whatever sports you're in. What's interesting is you can, I feel like it's, if you're an individual,

say, say, say I'm you, and I'm gambling on the March madness. Yeah. You probably, can't promote whatever you're definitely can't promote it. But you can not get in trouble. You can

like do it like on your phone. Yeah. Yeah. My tearduk will be all levels of nostalgia for me growing up. Oh, Sabaros is one? Oh, you guys have to pick from? No, this is just, this is like a guideline. We can have the same list, we can share

list, all that stuff. Yeah. Because if that's case, you want to go first. The Nashville bar, May. May? Oh, nice. that'll be awesome um official announcement official announcement I mean it says official

it's always a moving target with openings but it is scheduled for Mayish yeah you can that can be Roso Bar coming in May do you guys have employees for that like do you have you guys already it will be people working in there yeah no yeah thank you

I'm saying like have you guys figured out employees and all that yet you have a company that basically runs them for us and they do all that yeah I met a girl that actually lives in national she's the GM for the Arizona location. We were on our way to the Arizona Bowl. She was nice. She was like,

you guys, you come by? You are, right? Yeah, we'll absolutely do there. We'll be out there. We'll be out there that full week doing all the stuff. I think they had like mini golf. Mini golf,

my mom's in that tournament. Really? My mom's coming with the Super Bowl week. Should be interesting. Yeah, mini golf, the waste management's out there that week, which is a great golf tournament. Yeah.

That is the closest thing to Happy Gilmore. Yeah. And the entire PGA. It's amazing. It's a good time. And it's grown so much. Yeah. But yeah, the reason why I asked about the employee thing is there's a bunch of people that I, when I first got here, it was all about going to bars and meeting people, right?

Yeah. So I've had a bunch of guys reach out to me being like, hey, what's the deal? Yeah. I mean, connect you to the guy who's doing the hiring if you want to pass along. Yeah, that would be awesome because there's a couple of ballers out there. Did you like me to go? You ready? I'm ready to go.

I'm trying to get an overall list. I know. Just type of, yeah, pizza chains. I understand, but it's like... My honorable mention, my tier talk for the pizzas is for my top pizza change nationally. It's got to be national, right?

We can't go by... Because there's one in my state in Missouri. I would love to pick, but... Is it like off the wall? Is it just in Missouri? You know what name it is. You gave it a bad review. Emos?

Yep. Oh, it's horrible. No, it's good... That is incredibly impressive that he pulled that out of his ass right there. Yeah, because he's probably like, what is it? What is it? I think that counts. Does it?

That, to me, that's a state. I feel like it's around just like. There's enough of those. I don't know if there's a minimum. I feel like there's enough of those that I would count. I would count that as a chain. It's very, it's like St. Louis, Missouri. Yeah, but it.

I feel like what hurts you. I feel like what hurts you in that review is you're going and literally everyone is hyping it up so much. Well, they weren't hyping it. No, they weren't. They're saying it was trash and I won't like it. It's very unique. It's an acquired taste.

That's the one with like the sauce in the middle. It tastes like like you have like, uh, the velvita spray cheese in the middle no don't disrespect it like that velvita spray cheese come on come on come on i mean i know you're putting a knife you're trying to like get no i'm not i didn't know that that was that bad i think you can't put that because i had one that was like a provolone mix i believe i could have just been pulling that out of my ass too but it's it's tasty yeah mine are all nation one and you get the toasted raviolis yeah i did like the toasted raviolis that she was fire but so do we get to count that sure we get to count that i'm actually going to throw that in my honorable

mention because it's not a national chain uh emo's pizza to shout out to the midwest do shout out to missouri saint louis missouri pizza st louis style emos pizza the toast of ravioli is a thin crust crust pizza bacon and pepperoni that shit is fire my tier three my tier three is going to be a big nostalgia pick for your boy five dollar hot and ready We would get it multiple times a week after school. In the school year? Yeah, no, no, no. As a lifeguard, it would be our lunch break.

$5 hot and ready's from Pizza or from Little Caesars. That's what I just said. I thought he said Cicys. No, I said Little Cisys. Oh, that's what threw me off. Yeah, yeah. I get you saying. Yeah, yeah.

Little Caesar's pizza. Fire, bro. I fucking love Little Cesar's pizza. Yes, brother. We'll get you on it one day. My tier two is going to be. You get a multiple in tiers. He just did honorable mention.

Tier three, tier two. Got it, got it, got it, got it. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's my, that was my tier three, my tier two. And I've been going back and forth on this. The reason, you know what, fuck it. My tier two is going to be Domino's pizza.

I feel like I still eat it to this day when I need something quick and it's like, hey, we're having a little pizza night. Like, let's get back to our roots. Let's get back to who we were as people back in the, You'll order dominoes like at home with the wife. Yeah. That's gross. Yeah, I will, brother.

That's absolutely disgusting. Yeah, a little, the garlic butter like crust that they do, bro. Some more, again, bacon pepperoni. You guys see a theme here. I love Hawaiian as well. I love Supremes. I love all varieties of pizza. But you get back to your roots, you're ordering dominoes.

And yes, matter of fact, I want to say probably a month ago, we got dominoes. Disgusting. They kept up with the Times, the Mobile Lab. They're on it. They're on it, bro. They're on it, but they're on it, brother. They're just back to them. but that should only be eaten when there's no other pieces.

Can you tell Dave what the rules are in this? So in tier talk, usually the person speaking about their tier talk has the mic. We noted. At the end, at the end, everybody in here will give one word on how they feel about the individual's list. So you noted. Thank you. Are you good to continue? I already know how you feel about Will's list. But we will get one word out of you.

I didn't know the rules. Okay. My tier one, a joy to go to with a group of people. and when you're playing, maybe after a baseball game and it's like all your parents are like, hey, we're going to go here. And that tier one is Cici's pizza. When you get to eat that buffet-style pizza,

you got the mac and cheese, you got the cinnamon rolls, you got all kinds of varieties of pizza. You get some quarters, get you, put the dollars in the quarter machine and go play like that. It's like a little mini chunky cheese room. You know what I mean?

But Cici's pizza, that brings it home for me on my tier talk for national chains on pizza. All right, now we will go starting with Bloss and we'll give one word. thrilled thrilled disappointed one word one word to describe that list average who's him who's that awesome young um you want it or you want me to go you know almost gross that's tough that's tough all right we'll wait we'll wait till all these are done

nostalgic also one word it's not a staphinated gross nostalgic yeah it's not it's not nostalgia you still get dominoes well that's just when you want to remind yourself where you came from got it all right

when you get emo's I think well I can't they're not out here but when I do go home emoes and hoa Chinese food fire those are the hitters when you visit Fonter one day I'll take you around my honorable mention is going to go to hungry howies. Go to hungry howies, you order it, you look at the add-ons, you can possibly

have it. Obviously, everyone's going to look at the cheese. They're going to have the pepperoni, all the other stuff. But one add-on that I always enjoyed was the garlic crust they would put around the corner. It added just a little bit of unfun things. Everybody knows, this podcast, knows your boys love garlic. That is a big one for me, but it is just an honorable mention. My tier three is a place only when my father and mother got a raise. We would go to this spot and I would get the number one thing,

the famous thing on their list, which is also my favorite pizza of all time. The California Pizza Kitchen is my tier three. And I would get the barbecue chicken pizza. I think that is incredible. My tier two, this is where I hit almost with Will. Bo, you play a baseball game.

For me, we go to the ice den, we play hockey. After a big game, the boys are all sweating. and smelly, but we want to play, we want to have a good time. You go to C.C.'s pizza. Was the pizza great? No. But seeing macaroni and cheese as an eight-year-old on a pizza, truly a breathtaking experience. Automatic desserts everywhere.

You keep grabbing it. You get the last one. You'd look back. Hey, would you say? You come back to the tray. All of a sudden, there's a whole other row of them. Then bitches were ready early and often. C-Cis is my tier two. And my tier one, because I do love the feeling of nostalgia. you get a $20 bill and you walk into this place, you put it in the fucking dollar machine

and it brings out a bunch of tokens for you. And you get to play the games, add those tickets up and get you yourself a prize that's going to break in the next 15 to 20 minutes after you get and you'll cry about it later, but you're not thinking about that right now. You're just about to hear and now the present. That is Peter Piper Pizza.

That place sitting there birthday parties. If you had a birthday party at Peter Piper Pizza when I was a kid, you're not missing that for anything, boys. And that's my tear talk. All right. Descriptive. Unfamiliar. Yeah, confused.

West Coast. Miss. I've never heard of Peter Piper. You never heard of Peter Piper? I never heard of Howie's or whatever you used to. Hungry Howies? Yeah. Mine's going to be confusing, though, too, because I, like, you guys are doing, this is,

this isn't just tears. This is nostalgia tears. Well, it depends on the tier. Like, I am doing things I would currently eat. That's okay. I would eat all, everything I said. I would probably do the same thing. Right.

I mean, without question. Little Caesars is unquestionably one of the grossest things going. So for you to put that in any type of top three other than like I had a great memory somehow 20 years ago is embarrassing. I know you're only supposed to say one word, but you pick just stuff.

We're talking about Taylor's. Yeah, you said, well, you said confusing to me and then you went off work. I don't know what here will. But the way you described it, it may sound like a Chucky Cheese. What's your word? What's the word you would describe Taylor's list? I already did. I said, confused.

Okay. And I guess it's like, are we doing nostalgia? Like, yeah, I have good memories of Chucky Cheez as a kid. I also did a pizza review there, and I caught COVID eight times. Like, kids are sneezing on me. Like, it's the most disgusting wiping boogies on the wall. I took my kids to Chucky Cheese two weeks ago, and I had a fucking blast. Well, you got kids.

I was there doing a pizza review. Yeah. That is probably a worry something. them for the parents. Like, I couldn't get out of their fast. All right, my top three, I don't think people are to know them, but they are chains. So I'm going to go three, Puppaginos, not to be confused with Pupajon's. That's definitely Northeast brand.

Two Bertucci's fire, and three is Anthony's Coal Fire. That's the Tier 1. I went reverse. Tier 3, Puppaginos, Tier 2, Bertucci's, Tier 1, Anthony's Coal Fire. Okay, before we do our one word, you said you did your tier 3 through Tier 2 1, but you did it with these hand gestures. Tier 3 is still your third place, correct? Yeah, three, we're going down.

It's like, yeah. It's like if you picture a family feud board, like three. Would be the most votes. No, the least. But you're going down. The order for on the board. Number one is the lowest. So I was going, here's three, here's two, here's one.

My one would be my favorite. Do I not know Family Feud? Because I feel like they do. The one is most popular. It's one at the top of the bottom. It goes one through 10. I had, I'm, again, hand up, I'm wrong. Fast to do it.

I almost dislocated my shoulder. And that is something that you guys said at the beginning of the show that I won't do. I was dead ass wrong right there. Can you apologize? I'm sorry for being wrong. So your tier three is, my tier one's my favorite. Gotcha. So you said it all correctly, but you just thought it wrong.

Maybe. Tier three is my lowest, and that would be Pubugino's. Never heard of these any of them. Tier two, Bertucci's. Tier one. Anthony's coal fire. Boss? But if we're using like Peter Piper and

and you use Emo, well, is it, did you? Emos, I think I was the only one. Like Emos was an honorable mention, tip of the cap. Peter Piper's all, everywhere, I thought. Not everywhere. I think it's like coastal. Yeah, I've never heard of it. Oh.

I would guess there's more than Anthony's coal fire than there are Peter Piper. So now. Peter Piper's kind of gone under like Blockbuster. Bertucci's sort of went under a little bit. What is, uh, let's get her one word. What? I find can't relate. Veteran.

Oh, I. Dude, get off the, where are you from? On his knees. But you know all those spots? I like this guy. Yo, I like that. I like you. You got a future.

He said you got a future. Home. Yeah. You got him on. payroll. Well, he's the New England guy. Two of them are New England. I feel like if I was from the Northeast, I would understand everything you just said. Anthony's coal fire is like Florida and South. How many locations?

Will? Yikes. Mine's going to be hyphenated. Try hard. Well, no, I mean, I take pizza seriously. Honestly, I want to feed some of your pieces of my worst enemy when they were dying, like, at all. So it's like... Well, the tier talk was national. The tier talk was national change. But then you brought up emo.

Honorable mention. Right. Well, that's part of the contest, right? Honorable mention. But what would be your top three chains? Peter Piper. What would be your top three national chains of pizza? I think we can leave Peter Piper out of this.

That we get in every state. Yeah. National chain. Unos. What's Unos? It's like, I think that's Chicago. Well, no, it's star, but you can get Uno's everywhere. I don't know.

Uno's, what else? Papa Johns. No, not Big Pup John's. I like when they had the hat, like the little banana pepper on. Maybe California. Pizza Kitchen. Okay. Pizza Hut.

California Pizza Kitchen has excellent avocado egg rolls. Yeah, for a pizza guy, it's pretty disappointing. Did I pick good pizza? No, that you pick, honestly, Pizza Hut. Well, you know what's wild too is we could have gone and did a pizza review with you at 11. Then that has been more fun times the three of us. We can still do a pizza review after. How many pizza reviews do you have in the bank right now?

I was way too high. I would have thought that too. I'm just constantly anywhere I go. I'm stacking up. Like since I've been in Nashville, we've done four? You did three last time you were here. I land on the plane and we go instantly. The second wheels down when we're eating pizza, did one this morning.

And we got like two others that I'm trying to see how many locations these guys have. Who knows? No, Anthony's coal fire. Locations. Where are you guys going after this? Dicey's Yeah that's That's like five minutes

Yeah Dicey's a good time I never had it Dicey's good And where? The fuck's Camarria Oh yeah Yeah yeah

Yeah so we were That was in between the Arizona Bowl Wasn't it? Why were in no we're in L.A. I was shooting a commercial That's what it was Yeah don't worry about that It was just a little something something

So Again, when we were shooting near Malibu, so we just go around and just find any place of pizza. That's a chain, right? Just on the west. So wait, you don't know what Anthony's coal fire is. Huh. Have you ever wanted to do anything like acting?

What's that? Have you ever wanted to act or anything? No, I hate that shit. Okay. I'm a very like, um, this is where I like to be, like natural conversations, acting, smiling on demand.

man, no, not my bag. Not for you. Commercials, though. My version of them. Like, I don't, yeah, you know, I made my own version of a commercial. Mm-hmm. And then I was in, like, a national commercial. It was high noon.

So, we'll see. Okay. What commercial were you in? Are you allowed to say? No. All right. High levels. I got it.

Maybe off the bus. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That'd be outstanding. I believe. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it. I think we're solid.

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