Bussin' With The Boys - David Bakhtiari Gives His Thoughts On The Aaron Rodgers Situation

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Recorded: April 7th 2023 | In the intro, the boy Will is alone again while Taylor is in Canada. Will recaps Easter Weekend, our LSU trip, and we give Taylor a call to draft the coaches for the ASU Spring Game. Following the intro, we sit down with left tackle for the Green Bay Packers, David Bakhtiari. The boys start out the pod firing on all cylinders as they talk about different ways people shower in the the locker rooms. They then dive into the massive news surrounding Aaron Rodgers and David gives his thoughts on it as well as how he feels personally about it all. Following that they dive into the NFLPA. As we all know that Taylor hates the NFLPA and voices that again, however Bakh gives him some insight on what the NFLPA and how he actually somewhat likes the PA. Finally they end the with talking about trying to get more into golf as well as possibly being country club boys. There are some serious conversations with some good laugh that you're not going to want to miss. Enjoy boys. 0:00 Intro 2:24 Easter weekend recap 5:34 Will wants to get into golf 11:10 NFL Headlines Jeff simmons contract, OBJ to Ravens 21:05 LSU Recap 24:15 Previewing David Bahk interview 26:37 Shoutout no free shoutout 32:00 Drafting the coaches for the Arizona St. spring game 41:38 DAVID BAKHTIARI INTERVIEW STARTS 41:50 The different ways guys shower in the league and the way to meat peek 52:27 How Dave feels about the whole Aaron Rodgers situation 1:05:35 Dave talks about getting injured and the level of stress reading the headlines and trying to get healthy again 1:17:53 The differences between listening to 3rd party during an injury or the team trainer 1:20:07 Bahk’s take on the NFLPA 1:25:24 Taylor’s take on the NFLPA and how teams should fix the supplement problems 1:44:59 The new team grading sheet will give the players more power 1:48:16 Why are college facilities so much better in college than the NFL? 2:02:12 The boys talk about different ways to train and which way they enjoy the most 2:30:38 Taylor wants to move Bussin to Arizona 2:33:34 The boys want to become golf guys and possibly join a country club 2:43:48 Tier Talk - Best Nickelodeon cartoon characters 2:55:50 Dave says Ted Lasso is overrated ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ---- Chevy: Head over to Chevy.com to learn more Sport Clips: Sport Clips. The Pros in Men’s Hair. Georgia Boots: Use code BUSSIN for 20% Off at georgiaboots.com Duke Cannon: Use code BUSSIN10 at dukecannon.com for 10% off your entire order The Farmer's Dog: Go to thefarmersdog.com/bussin to get 50% off your first box + free shipping!For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Solid. What'd you do, Jack? Just hung out. My younger brother was in town. But nothing crazy. Nothing crazy? Nah. Rue had a blast, bro.

Roo's, listen, she's a socializer now. She likes to socialize. She has fun at the parties. I'll tell you what, that we fucked with her nap schedule yesterday. And gave her a short one. late morning and then a short one like mid later afternoon. And when she woke up from the one in her mid later afternoon, like she literally was just fucking pissed,

crying the entire time until bed. And that's not an exaggeration. We didn't know how to, we were calming her down for a second. And then it just, she was just pissed, bro. It was a learning experience. It was like,

all right, let's not fuck around with the routine. Because we got a late invite to Bakhtiari, his Easter party, which was a great time. The boy, Bocke. Hey, what a host. Like, they had the family over. They had a lot of different people. And the weather now, that's low key.

Shout on over. He shout out the fucking weather now coming around. We're in the 70s now. But all to say we had a good Easter weekend. The Masters. How do you say his last name, Ron? John Ron. Ron.

John Rom. Bro. That's off to him. What I love most was the Law of Attraction Post from Panda Express back in 2013. He had a tweet that said, I'm going to win the Masters one day. I'm paraphrasing.

I'm going to win the Masters one day. And it was a photo of a fucking fortune cookie that said basically one day your skills and significance will be shown or some shit like that, dude. But for it to come full circle and him win the Masters, and what a, you know, unfortunately the boy Capka.

Kepka. See, I'm kind of, you know, I'm getting versed. I saw him on the, what is it called, full swing? The little Netflix documentary with golf. Yeah, he's got a really hot wife too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's a cute wife.

Seems like a good personality. But it seemed like the boy kind of folded on that last round. Again, no golf. Who am I? Cheap seats. Cheap tickets. I'm buying the cheap seats. I'm just watching it.

I'm just tweeting. But John Rom, here's the fortune cookie. The fortune cookie said your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded from Panda Express at the Panda Inn. dude that's fire and then he goes on a wins and then he has that little speech where he talks about zackertz jinxing him for you know first what do you say he four putted the first hole yeah Zachert to text him was like first hole looks wide open like a walk in the park and yeah he ends up bogeing it what a vibe group chat to be into like while you're in the masters and kind of like you know let's not get let's not take ourselves too serious let's go out of here and have fucking fun um but

also we had new merch guys we've sold like several hundred units of our golf merch that just dropped. And this golf merch is without pillows. We got a little wild hair. The boy Garrett. Shout out Garrett for making this merch up. The dude is grinding to get something put together. Because it's just something about golf.

I feel like we need to lean into or I would like to lean into and get out. Jack, I know you and Gary, you guys both golf. And it just seems like a good time. You do too much? We'll get the boys. We'll get the boys together. Yeah, we need to all get out there. Scramble and I'll use one of your guys' best ball every time.

Because I, like, You're going to want to use Garrett. Garrett is by far the best golfer. Yeah, you and Garrett are going to be together because Garrett is like damn near the grass. That works for me because that's how I used to do. When we were in Washington and we'd be in OTAs, we'd probably golf a couple times a week. And the vibes were always high. Like, Stoogies and Bogies, boys.

Like you throw a Stogie in, you get the vibes going with the tunes. As long as the group you're with, they don't mind music being played in the background and just some good old fashioned shit talking. And it would always be nice and competitive because we're talking some linebacks. We'd have a linebacker group and nobody was good. good. We just, we know how to talk shit. We were always competitive. And it took us like three hours to do nine holes. I shit you not. But got away from what coming to Tennessee. I felt like there wasn't like circles and crews that did the whole golfing thing the way we did in Washington. So got

away from it a little bit to where I'll just do it once or twice a year. And I know again, like Jack and G, Mitch, just learning that about you two, are into it. And it's like, I just got a wild hair this year. Like the weather's breaking a little bit. It's like, you know, I have a set of night or I think it's the Calloways. Got some Calloways. I got me a little three hybrid. Is that what it's called? Those are clubs and brands.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got me a little three hybrid that I used to fucking grip and rip on. And I'm just like, it's hard to beat a day on the course with your boys. It, like, really is. Cold beer flowing. Commerodery all-time high. A little bit of shit talking in competition. And again, you're also like out there.

It's always good to go with like a good golfer. I'm not, like, I know you guys are like, oh, we're not good because there's a wide range of what's good and bad in golf. It's like, I know Jack and Garrett are good, but what is that compared to guys who talk about scratch golfing and shit like that? And Garrett, like, actually a... Garrett, I bet what's your handicap right now, G? Like, five, four?

I've watched Garrett shoot a 69 before, so that's saying that... That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm trying to think I've never truly kept score. Like, I've always, it's always been scramble. Let's play a scramble. Let's give with a couple guys. usually you're with the better one. And then you might hit a few good balls that you're like,

okay, I'm starting to get the fucking hang of this thing. My best round's in 88, but that's exactly what you need for a scramble. If you just get a couple good shots in, like you're doing your part. Yeah. It's when you get a little like when you do,

I've done a couple of the charity ones too where it's like, oh, you got to kind of golf on your own. And I'm like, oh, I don't want to, I don't want to do that because I'm going to lose balls. Like, listen, let's not, but you can knock me down a peg, but let's not step on my throat. And I'm just golfing by myself.

But the, the busing golf club is just lifted off. We have polos coming, but you can go on our barstool merch store right now and check out our golf collection. We got some bus and golf club for the boys, F-O-R-E, some fun stuff, teas, hoodies, hats,

all that kind of stuff. Also, if there is a golf club in Nashville that wants to host the boys, do not hesitate to reach out. Do not hesitate to reach out. We are looking for a good time. I'm talking, it'd be nice to go, you know, I don't know what often looks like, but once a week, once every other week is what I'm sitting here thinking in my head.

Oh, yeah. But we need to start making content on the golf course and kind of lean into the culture because I think the culture, like, it's getting cooler, in my opinion. Like there's a younger generation coming through now. I feel like it's adapting a little bit more. And also the respect, you got to shout out the respect that the old heads have established over time. But yeah, any club out there, I know people talk about the Richland Country Club. What are other ones out there? I mean, there's a bunch.

Richland obviously is a private course, so you get to be a member there or have to know someone there. So you can't just go and buy around at one of these private. No, no, no, no. But, like, I don't even know if I want to say, like, the courses, just so like. No free shoutouts? Yeah, but we can believe it if we went to. Hermitage Golf Club is where we play a lot.

That's one where you can buy around. Yeah, you can just buy it to play. That, to me, is the best public course in Middle Tennessee. So that's good. The bridge out in Franklin, we played a lot. Harpeth Hills. play, which isn't necessarily the best, but it's solid.

No more free shoutouts. Let's stop it there. Let's cut it there. There's a few out there that the boys need to be represented that are putting on good courses, but also like no free shoutouts. Summer Fridays? Is it a golf course? Summer Fridays? You ever heard of that? No, but it sounds like a something

right of my house. Companies do, like, have a thing called summer Fridays where like they get off at like two, like their day ends early. It's a summer Friday and then they're just done for the weekend. I like that vibe. Tell me, it's a good time. I like it's, I can't wait to get into it.

I think it'd be fun, too, to do, like, a little weekend sand volleyball league. I'm so about that. We go... Pickleball. I'm in one. At least where you used to live. The sandbar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, down by Avo, Avo.

Yeah, I think it's called the sandbar. Where they got Coco's ice cream? Yeah. Dude, that's a good little vibe. Yeah, I definitely tried to do that. I mean, I've been seeing a green light pod. They have, they're like a soft. softball league.

And I feel like we need to start embracing, like, that camaraderie, whether it's softball. Intermural sports. Yeah. Intermural sports. Hell yeah. It'd be fun if we could get, like, a crew. And we could get a few other, like, cats around here. I'm sure, like, Donnie would be, like, trying to play and, like, some other guys that

are Nashville local. So maybe, maybe we need to get into a sports out there we can get into. Yeah. We can start diving. We're going to do. Do they? Yeah, we need, I think we need to build a team. But we need to build a team where we're trying to go national.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, we're trying to fucking. Yeah, exactly. Other news in Nashville, big Jeff Simmons, re-signed. Let's get some class, boys. I think that's a massive, you know, fucking corner piece for the Titans. Getting the big ugly Jeff, no disrespect to your looks, Jeff.

The big ugly as in your defensive lineman. But agreed to a four-year extension, $94 million. The boy, I think it was like 66 guaranteed at signing. but massive moves for the Titans to keep Jeff home and to keep Jeff around basically the culture and being the leader that he is too in that locker room. But big shots of Jeff, another big signing over the weekend was OBJ to the Ravens.

You guys saw that? Oh, yeah. Boy, OBJ put a gun to the Ravens' hands and I need $18 million. Dude took a year off. You're off after Turner's ACL in the Super Bowl. Yeah, his availability's been up and down, mostly down.

And he literally took the Ravens for all that they're worth. I don't know if that was a tactic by the Ravens to keep Lamar negotiating or in. Like at the end of the day, Lamar can sit there if he believes in his heart of hearts, that he is doing everything he can to be healthy. That he's going to have a healthy year. You can bet on yourself and play on these one-year tags. He might have to play on a couple of them. I'm pulling from that experience because that's what Kirk Cousins did.

He played four years with Washington. He wanted a long-term deal with the Washington Redskins at the time. And in his mind, because I would remember when we talked with each other about it, because Kirk thought about holding out at times during training camp, but Kirk didn't want to do that because he knew that he was in the quarterback position. He wanted to still be a leader. He wanted to be around the guys. He knew how that would look in the media and everything else if he tried to hold out in that capacity.

So Kirk essentially would just bet on himself by play. He played on a franchise tag. He played on the franchise tag. It's one of the first players to play on a franchise tag back-to-back years. Because the Redskins would offer him Bruce Allen and Dan, they would offer them like a three-year deal, say 75 million, 50 guaranteed. And the way Kirk looked at it as, yo, I'm going to be making, I'm going to be making, what was that, 2016, 9.9 fully guaranteed.

I'm going to be making 20 in year one. In 24 in year two, I'm essentially getting close to 50 million just in two years without having to sign an upside deal of that, you know, of getting up to 75. So once you do that and you make it to the end, now I know it pissed them off together. get tagged the second time. But you make it to the end and you get to free agency. You now hold the cards. You now hold the leverage to get that contract that you're wanting.

Because Kirk wanted to help try and establish changing the game a little bit to get these fully guaranteed deals in the quarterback position. Lamar can look at it the same way. And I know I kind of started talking about OBJ and brought it into Lamar. But if that's a tactic that they're trying to do to get Lamar, if you're Lamar, you can sit there and be like you feel comfortable going into this year playing on a tag because you're going to get the average of the top five. I believe that's still what it is.

You get the franchise tag is ultimately the top five at your position. You get the average of that contract. Lamar is somebody who you look at and you would pay a long-term deal too. Do get that guaranteed money. What hurts the cons with somebody like Lamar is he's also like kind of a skilled quarterback. He can run the ball. He tore his PCL or he damaged it enough to be out toward the end of the year this year. You kind of have a little bit more risk there.

But again, you're a quarterback or if you're in his shoes, you look at, you know, betting on yourself if you're looking to get that fully guaranteed deal because that's the kind of song and dance you do with an organization. Now to get back on the OBJ thing like, holy shit, that'd be like some team paying me $5 million a year. I should need to hold that for a minute just so whenever the clip cut off. They'd be like paying me $5 million a year because you know people are going to fucking try and bodybag your boy because, you know, I played on minimum for several years. But yeah, hey, you love to see it. You're all, we're all, We're all pro player on this podcast.

You love to see the boy O'Dell get one for basically 15 up to $18 million. I think he gets 15 guaranteed. I think it's fucking insane. Just because, again, like the availability he's had, you're paying him like a number one wide receiver. And I just don't know, you know, I'm rooting for him to be the O'Dell of old that we know or that we knew. I'm not going to say he's old and washed.

But you hope to see that O'Dell come back. But to have him establish that kind of money being out of the game, for a full year and coming off an ACL and the injuries he's had. I mean, Bravo fucking finding somebody who's paying you that money, but absolutely insane. It looks like he walked into a bank and said, throw the money in a bag. One of those players, though, where outside of skill base,

he brings, like, a huge upsell and ticket value, like, for the Ravens. Like, people will want to come just see O'Dell, because he's one of those premier athletes that have made, like, a statement name in this game. So, like, I feel like, Like he's only like one of a few people where like he can get that money taking a year off, having the injuries just because he is bringing that star power. Yeah, he's just such a household name now in the league, even though he hasn't played in a year.

Like I would still like want to go see O'Dell play because it's O'Dell. That's fair. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. You love to see just the numbers. I'm curious of what the market he had. He must have had a market if he's able to get that money because if not, why would you come out of pocket for so much money? You know what I mean? To acquire somebody like Odell.

But I'm with you. He does bring that superstar power, that fame aspect because it's Odell Beckham. I mean, he changed the game forever when he caught that one-handed catch. Reach back like one-three. Yes, bro. And like kids, all the antics and everything else. Like, Odell, I hope he has a breakout year. Like, he's a stud.

I want to see that Odell Beckham of old come back and bounce back. But I just think if you're looking at this objectively, you're just thinking, Holy fuck. How did he pull this off? He immediately comes the best receiver on the team, though. Like, that's where the Ravens were struggling with having them. Like, they had Mark Andrews, the tight end. Like, they had Rashad Bateman, who's a rookie, who's been struggling with injuries.

Like, they had Marquise Brown, but they got rid of him a couple years ago. They're like, he immediately becomes their best threat. So maybe that's why, hey, I'm going to be your best receiver on your team. Pay me like it. Right, which is fair. But when you say pay me like it, and again, just playing devil's advocate, which I love the, your points, Jack, and your points too much. But playing devil's advocate, it's like, yeah, pay me like it.

But also, what have you done in the last couple years? Again, it must have meant he had a market to get that money because if not, you can essentially, if you're the Ravens, pay something on the low end range of what number one would be or number two, I guess, and put a lot more in incentives. I'm impressed how he got so much. He got 15, basically, of the 18. I think that's what's impressive versus being a more potential-based, you know, incentive-type package to get the full 18. But he, like, when he was healthy on the Rams, like, he went, he caught a touchdown.

It seemed like every week when he was with them. Right. As soon as he got on the team, but, like, I mean, that was a knee surgery ago. And, like, people say his knee was still messed up during that time. So if he's fully healthy, I mean, he's 30. which is kind of middle age for a wide receiver. He's still solid. He's still athletic as hell.

Right. And the benefit, too, he's 30. Like, I know people, once you hit 30 in the NFL, you're kind of on the, you're kind of getting older, longer in the tooth. But the benefit of Odell being 30 is you're still in prime years of just like peak athleticism. Like, I want to say you fully develop or you can be in your prime around like, you know, it's like 27, 28 years old, I think.

I'm kind of talking out of turn there. but the benefit of Odell is he hasn't had to put on the wear and tear the last two years I know of essentially two years yeah because with the Rams he didn't have to go through a training camp didn't have to go through the offseason everything has been to progress him health-wise in the off-season and but he didn't have to put a training camp on his body he didn't have to last year because he sat out the entire year that is very beneficial when looking at it because he could be in still incredible shape like he's not in incredible shape like he's not. He could be, he could pop off this year.

Again, I'm just impressed that he, that his agent, that they negotiated that contract the way they did. Like, kudos to him and shout out the boy. I just think it's nuts. Like, it's not nuts. Again, if he had the market, then he had the market. But it's just interesting to see that he made that amount of money after taking a year off coming off of an ACL. What else do we have, boys? Before we get into this coin toss, this episode is brought to you by Sport Clips.

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but shout out Fred's. That was a good time. It was a good vibe. I stand, I stand by what I said to the crowd too. Like Louisiana is a different entity. Like, it's separated from everything else. like that thing is it's it's like its own ecosystem down there at blas i told the crowd i was like it's like a subway and a gas station like you fuck with it but you know it's not going to pass inspection like that's the vibe of louisiana very hospitable good people but you know people that that think just they got their certain way of going about business which you fuck with because it's like oh this is how they breed fucking these athletes down here and everything else but you're just in the swamp

dude, you're meeting. We didn't even meet swamp people like that, but we got to get a little look, you know what I mean? But, hey, shout out though to LSU. That was a good time. As far as where they rank on the list, I think we've established them, in my opinion. I know everybody else has their own, but they are not even close. There's not a three out there that's close. They are number two in my book as far as facilities and everything else goes. I think they have the number one locker room I've ever seen in my life versus as facilities. Still Nebraska. One. but I do have LSU too. And as far as

hospitality and their people in their front office and everything, I say front office, but there are people in their offices, they took care of the boys. They were good to you guys. They were good to us.

They were very hospitable. They took us everywhere. Let us see whatever. Coach Kelly was awesome, although I do think he lied about the whole family accent. I think he just needs to lean into into him, be like, yeah, okay, I fucked up.

I tried that. I fucked up. But LSU was fucking awesome. We're going to Colorado this week. Colorado Buffalo. We're going to try, not try. We're going to get in. We're going to get behind enemy lines,

start to shit talking a little early to get this Colorado Nebraska game back where it was back in the day. Hopefully we can chirp Dion a little bit. We don't know if we're going to get to sit with them or not. But hopefully we get to chirp him. But we got to get that rivalry going again. We're going to be, like I said,

performing in Denver that night. So if you guys want to get your tickets, that's online, get them wherever. It would be nice to be celebrating. It would have been nice to hit a show 420 in Colorado. You know, the way they celebrate, it's a little bit different. I don't know about you guys. I won't speak for you guys, but your boy, I've been banged up. You know what I mean?

Like one time after I brushed my teeth, I threw my hat back on a late in bed. My wife was asking, hey, do you think you're going somewhere and you're just fucking out of all sorts? But I'll just say I would love to be there for 420 with Colorado. shoutout 420. Shout out, no free shoutout. And then we get the draft. And then we talk about this David Bakhtyari episode. This Bakhtyari episode, honestly this year, one of my favorites.

We got to hit on. We got to talk about the NFLPA, a lot of the union stuff, a lot of things with David himself that he's gone through. This man's a fourth round pick, earned himself a fat bag when he got to a second contract. This is a five-time all pro, a three-time pro bowler, has been injury-ridden the last couple years. He toureds ACL a couple of years ago. and he said it's been a roller coaster for the boys so we obviously dive into the nuts and bolts there taylor and him tore their ACL in the same year so they were able to uh it was fun to sit back and listen to them kind of talk through some things but there's been headlines and articles that have

been coming out i know when i was searching and kind of doing research on bach um you know you see stuff the green bay media is saying the packers are hosting successor of david bactiari like they're looking at left tackles and i don't know how true that is but the way the media is kind of going about the left tackle is like, hey, after this year, do you look to cut? Do you look to save money? Do you look to do this with Bakhtiari? And we got into some big, good conversation about kind of that noise that goes on. You come from five years of being an all pro and being a pro bowler to where you are the fucking man at Green Bay.

And everybody loves you. They want you to be here forever. To now you get to the back end and you go through some injuries and you get, you have some ups and downs and you start to, you know, get a little bit more hate. and you kind of hear all the trips going on. And now people are talking about your replacement and how does that make you feel. And he had a lot of good stuff to say.

So I'm excited for you guys to listen to that episode. It's a banger. And one of my favorites, again, we talk a lot about some of the union things going on with the NFLPA because as we know, the boy Taylor, he fucking hates the NFLPA. We dive in a little bit more there, some nuts and bouts with all that.

But it's a good episode. Before we get to it, we will do our favorite segment of the wheat. Our shout-out, no free shout-out. Bloss, would you like to start this thing off? Guys, and if you're new to the, If you're new to the show, shout-out, no-free shout-out is simply, you want to shout-out whatever you want. A lot of the times it's the simplicides in life that go unnoticed, that don't get talked about enough, that might go under the radar that we like to put a spotlight on.

Or, like Blas likes to do, he shouts out people from the 49ers. You've got a team you love. If you got a vibe you like, if you want to shout out somebody or something, you can do it. The shout-out, no-free shout-out segment is for whatever you want to shout out. Give a little bit of praise to spotlight a little bit. Blassey. What do you have for shout-out? No Free Shout-outs, brother. My shout-outs this week goes to those people in your life or in your close circle who just put you on all the time, whether it's putting you onto a new meal, putting you onto some new clothes, some new shoes,

a new brand, or a skill in general. I've had the pleasure to have some people who are pretty skilled in the barbecue world, and they've just been coaching me and putting me on to some new styles and ways to cook, and I've been trying them and implementing them into my own. And yeah, it's been a pretty fun ride. So my shoutout, no free shoutout goes to those people in your closed circle who just put you on. Love that. That's a solid one. Because that is true.

Like, whether it's a recipe, you're talking barbecue, the grills are out. The grills are coming out. And I have to think about my shout out. But the grills are coming out right now. And anybody who puts you on a new little recipe that you're viving with, you can't wait to take a photo. I'm like, yo, I tried this. And I fuck with it, bro. Jack, what do you got?

My shout-offrey shout-out goes to, how do I put this in the word? It's really just like, I guess hanging with the boys, but it's more of like a traditional Friday night hanging with the boys this past Friday night, me and a few of my friends hit up Dave and Busters. We went and saw the Mario movie, and then we weren't really ready to call it a night,

so we went and walked around the Opryland Hotel. And if you've ever been in Opryland Hotel, or if you haven't, you need to go experience it because you can walk around for an hour in this thing, They got like three like atriums, like these massive fucking beautiful things, all these like wildlife and plants and like it's crazy rivers flowing through it. So we were just having a blast and just like giggling and like running around like feeling like you're like 15 again like just got dropped off by your mom at the movies. And like you got like five hours to go and just like do whatever. So we were kind of like getting back to our roots.

So shout out to like good quality time with the homies on a Friday night. you get in bed at a good hour wake up fully rests in ready to go for Saturday love that Mitch big head my fit what that's the fit you know what actually I'm going to change my shout out to hats that fit because our busting hats have not don't aren't for big headed people and as an employee of busting I feel like we need to maybe expand our hat sizes a little bit because there's there's fellas out there I'm not I'm not by myself We've been at, like, these live shows and everything. Some of these guys are like, hey, like, I'm with you.

Like, I stand with you. These hats. I stand with you. As Mitch is sitting there, like, looking at him with a fucking little hat on. Yeah. Like a rubber band just grabbing the skin. And he's like, bro, these hats do not fit me. I'm like, I've been telling people that these, we need to get bigger hats.

But, like, some of these, the, I traded a dude for a hat at LSU because the one I was wearing, uh, what, it wasn't fit. as well as the one like he had. So I traded him. Shout out. Shout out you. Kyle, I think your name is.

Steve. Yeah. But shout the hats that fit. They're few and far in between for me. It says the one size fits all. Now it's one size fits most. So yeah, shout out house set fit. Have you ever looked into,

and this is for you to speak on, not us, but have you ever like looked up like Googled diets to help your head shrink? I don't think that. It works like that, but I have... You never know. Put it like this. Your head is your skull.

No stone left unturn. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like... There could be a diet out there for them big-headed motherfuckers, dude. You can shrink your waist. Why not your head? Because your waist is fat. Your head is your skull.

There's no fat in this. This is all brain. I have looked up, though, and I actually got it for Christmas this past Christmas. Like, had extenders. So, like, you know how, like, obviously the snapbacks. You can get, like, an extra thing is snapback to extend it a little bit. I have those Whole 30 recipes for your head

ketogenic diet for your brain oh fuck good times my shoutout no free shout out is gonna go to the vibes are high right now and it involves the weather

I would just shout out the weather but I feel like that's a low-hanging fruit something that we've started been able to start doing is you're able to open up the doors you got a couple weeks here before it starts to get too hot not a couple weeks

like longer than that but this or today right before I came here, my wife had opened up the back doors just because the light shining and it's like the same temperature outside as it is inside. And you're just sitting on the table or working outside. But opening up the doors that like enjoy the weather, the grills are coming out, the doors are opening up, the windows are opening up, and the vibes are getting higher. That seasonal depression you might have had, it's turning around because that breeze and it's a light breeze right now, which makes you feel good. It's not hot yet. You feel the sun and you can still

get a little bit of a burn, but it's not getting, it's not moist yet in the air. The bugs aren't out. And right now's, for the next few days in Nashville, all week, I think it's going to be in the 70s. It's going to be out, but that's my shout out, I guess, fucking. Temperature equilibrium. Yeah, there you go, temperature equilibrium. Small things that involve the sunny weather, the spring weather. All right. I just texted Taylor. He's ready whenever you are.

So here's what we got going on. This weekend, we get to do the Arizona. State Spring game. Not only do we get to do the Arizona State Spring game, we get to coach in the Arizona State Spring game. Taylor's going to coach one team. I'm going to coach the other. We get to give pregame speeches to our teams. I think we get to call one series per like rules and everything else.

But we get to call the series. We're going to get the headset. We're going to have our get-back coach. We're going to be ready to fucking go. We're going to be in head coaching form trying to beat each other. Now there's a video that's came out at Arizona State. The players have been trying to select their guy. I feel like Team Compton's the underdog.

right now. Everybody wants the backyard, the local boy, Terlouan. He's an AZ boy. But everybody's kind of pushing for Taylor right now, and I feel like whoever we get on the squad, we're going to get those guys with the chips on their shoulder. You know what I mean? But what we're going to be doing right now is we're going to call Taylor. We're going to get them on speaker, and we're going to draft the back of the bus, Jack, JP, Garrett, and Mitch to be our two, I guess, assistant coaches. Vrable, our stretch. We're going to be drafting our stretch. So we're going to get them on the phone. We're going to flip a coin to see who gets first pick.

And then we're going to draft the guys on the back of the bus to be on the sideline with us to make content, to be our get back coach and everything else. We're going to get JP and Garrett in here to make it real intimate. Yeah, Gary, JP, they're about to come on. They're going to get on the bus because we don't always have the back. The boys are back there working. By the way, if you guys are tuned in right now,

we dropped our LSU our LSU spring tour interviews with Mason Taylor the son of Jason Taylor and nephew of Zach Thomas he's a fucking stud man I think he's going to be really good I didn't open that up you just push it in

freshman tied in going in a second year he's a stud he was awesome to sit down with we also did coach Brian Kelly so if you want some more content the boys got it come on Angie are under the hoods our bus scenes G, I mean, oh, fuck. We interrupt this episode to bring you the world's most comfortable boot.

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But Georgia Boot is the go-to boot of the boys for the boys. Use code busing B-U-S-S-I-N for 20% off at Georgiaboots.com. Back to the episode. We have our lead umpire, J-P-Hovey, who's going to do the coin toss. Hold on. We need to get Taylor on the phone. Are you going to do it or do you want me to have it? Yeah, I can do it.

It's just big. I can't wait. You can't wait for the draft? Yeah. Why is that? You guys are picking. Yeah. The boy.

The boy. Hey, you are, you're tuned into the bus. J.P. J.P. What we have here, J.P. is going to do a coin toss. It's going to land on the middle table. Do you want to call it? Do you want me to call it?

You go ahead and call it. Is J.P. showed the camera? that there's both a heads and a tails. Yeah, okay. So which one? Silver and blue when you want me on. The middle camera? Silver side, blue side.

All right, there's a silver side and a blue side. Flip it and let it land on the table? Flip and let it land on the table, Taylor. My hands are sweating right now. I don't know why I'm never. I'm stressed out too. But here's what I feel good about. Regardless, I feel like we both have a great team.

So who's who? Silver, are you blue, Taylor Silver? Will's calling it. Okay. I'll go. I'm going to catch it. I'll go with blue. I'll go with blue.

You're going to catch and flip? Yeah. All right, here. I should hold the mic because I hear he's about to go. Yeah, ready. It's up in the air. It's flipped on the hand. Blue.

Blue! So who won? I won. I won. I get first pick. Hmm. It's wild how it kind of works when I'm not there, huh? I know, but fortunately we have it on camera.

You'd be able to tune in, bust in the YouTube channel. Um, my first pick of the Arizona State Spring game brought to you by Bustin with the boys is going to be J.P. Hovey. It's a lot, bro. It is a lot. Hey, I got you a jersey made. The one, you're going to hold up the one first rounder. What, um, which team are we?

I don't know. Do you guys know what our teams are yet? Taylor and I have a phone call today with, uh, with the guy at Arizona State. So we're going to kind of get privy to everything. Yeah. All right, Taylor. you were on the clock. We'll give you 30 seconds.

We'll give you 30 seconds starting now. A lot of teams want to take the time to get the advertisement, where I have all the people talk about their guys, their team as they go on to the draft. I'll make it quick and easy. My first pick of the ASU spring game is going to be Mr. Jack McPherson. Nice, Jack.

Congratulations, brother. Thank you for the opportunity. Here's the question. And look, there's no wrong answer here. You guys can say it out loud, but are we doing Snake or do I get to go again? Does Taylor get two and three since I got one? Oh. Wow.

Which one? Snake. Snake it is. Why did you say something if you're going to be madame? Well, I had to bring it up because I had to figure out if Taylor's going to start speaking up again. Taylor, you get the boys think it's fair to only do snake draft, so you get to pick the, you get to go first this time. Simple, simple. All right.

My second pick and final pick of the ASEU spring game. graft brought to you by bustling with the boys is going to go to here at hargis oh it's a wrap Nashville versus out of state boys hey Mitch hey we're happy to have you on the squad mr. relevant oh it's an honor you got a chip on your shoulder Mitch you got a chip on your yes I know you are all right that settles it we're in good shape yeah we're in solid shape team Compton it's uh, Hovey and Carsley, Carsley, right? And then for team Luan, McPherson, and Hargis.

He's trying to get in there early. Trying to get in their head early. Trying to get in that head early. Don't let him, gee. Don't let him, gee. Yeah. Don't worry. Don't even pay attention to it.

Uh, Taylor, do you have anything you'd like to say? You have the floor. Just, I'm excited. I got the team that I wanted. Both those guys are one and two on my draft board. And, uh, being able to see Garrett fall in that draft and Jack followed that draft really played it in my hand, knowing that the two of them are only individually

outstanding competitors, but are also as a duo, unstoppable. Amen. Amen. A lot like a Chevy Silverado. I'm what's a question. All right, brother, thank you. I hope you're enjoying the vibes and views in Canada right now. We all love you and we miss you. Can't wait to see you Wednesday. I love you guys too.

See you, Coach. In Colorado. All right, see you, brother. Hey, it is sad that we're going to have to embarrass him in his home state. That's all right. You don't ever want to do that to somebody, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just really hope the ASU comes through

with some elite coaching gear for us to be wearing. Yeah, I need a call sheet. I need a visor. We're gonna go to... We gotta go to Dix, boys. You're right. Or Academy. I already have a lot.

Just to put that out there. All right. I'm excited, man. He feels good. He feels like he got the team. He wanted. I actually, this is the team I wanted. Oh, damn.

We... That's crazy. We should have. Maybe we call him back. I think we need to put a little bit of a wager on this, something. We'll figure it out in the group chat. All right. It doesn't have to be money.

It could be something funny, you know? Right, right. That's what it takes some thinking about. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, let's think about it. Let's not make an emotional... Screen record the text conversation and put it out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can come up with something. Definitely something needs to be on the board. All right. Hey, without further ado, here's David Bactiari, episode 215. We talk about the injury stuff. I can't remember. Aaron Rogers.

a lot of stuff, but it's a good podcast, subscribe, do all that stuff. Leave comments if you're watching YouTube right now, but shout out the boys, big hugs, tiny kisses. He's probably got a piece on him. I go on and get that mic next to your face. We're rolling. We're rolling.

Yeah, you've been a lot for him. You've been a lot with them. Doesn't match the feet, doesn't match the hands? No, he's, he won't let me see. What do you mean? He's a shower short guy. For the man who has nothing to hide, but still wants to. He showers in shorts?

No, he's the guy like, you go pick a corner. I think I told you guys this from last time I was in there like my first weekend play was like dude go shower next to Aaron I'm like I go pull I go turn on the thing he immediately turns it off he like looked at me and I'm like do you want to share the same shower head and he's like get away from me I'm like yeah oh oh he doesn't let anybody by shower next to him that no we had no like he knew me maybe for like a week that's what I'm saying like it wasn't the chemistry right now we know each other right right now you're getting him golf cars yeah that was that was completely

different but uh so if you shower you know you shower on the same showerhead? No, they don't. No. I have unfortunately, certain guys like, I'm a type of dude that there's, I look at, there's like three types of like shower people. The guy who comes in with the towel and puts it over the showerhead. Shows, immediately takes it off yet. No way of seeing. And then two is, you have the guy that doesn't even go in with a towel. That's me. I go and come out. I own what I got. Yeah. Nothing like, there's no Godzilla hanging out. That's just. I'm me, I'm proud.

It's not much, but it's yours. I'm the hardworking white guy that's going to come in and check in and check out, and he's going to get a good, good, good days working. And then the number three is the dude that just, he takes a towel and puts it kind of over his belly button. Are you, are you guys belly button? Depends on how fat I am. If it's December, I'm going to love it. That's so weird.

I don't get that. I'll tell you what, there's a couple other guys you're missing. You even, D, brought it up with Aaron. Give it to me. The guy that showers in the corner and doesn't let you see anything the whole time. If he's rubbing his shoulder, he's got one over his parts. Those are the guys I trust the least in the locker room. If you're not going to let me look at that thing,

or not look at it eye to eye, but catch a periff on it. You've either got something fucked up with you or you're holding something in here. You know, that's just how I look at it. The other guy, and this is a very rare breed of individual, the individual that comes in the towel long ways tucked in the armpits and drapes over the front. I don't think I've ever seen that.

Kendall Lamb. He was what? He takes the tent. towel, tucks it here, tucks it here, and it drapes long ways. But cheeks are out in the back. He must have them titties. Yeah, but when he sits down, he kind of lets

the titties hang out, but he was also an opi show guy. I like Kendall Lamb, but I'm also, I saw that and that did throw me off big time. What kind of guys are you? I'm like a mix of what you said. Like, I bring the towel in just because the towel access, like I just don't want to walk. Like, I'm, I don't wear the slides. I go in. I'm more so

put the towel on, and then I face the boy. You don't wear slides? No, I don't slides. I got beef for that. Because you got a dash or something else. You got the Caucasians out here. Next time you're in the locker room and you're in the shower, look, all the black guys, they got the flops on. They're literally putting one leg up.

Can I explain? Can I explain why I'm not as much a slide guy? Because I'll wear the slides everywhere. So when I shower in them and they get wet, I got to like, I got to do extra and dry them off after I get done in the locker. In my locker, I got multiple slides. I have literally shower slides, specifically for shower. That's what I'm saying.

I'll, yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess, you know what? If I'm buying extra slides, yep, I got money then. No, I can't, I can't stand the, uh, but I'm just letting you know, that's why I do it. That's why I would do it. Like, sometimes I'll go slides in, but if I'm feeling like extra lazy, which is why I do the towel thing. I get it. Trust me.

Like, I get the, if you have a one pair of slides, yeah, I'm, I'm definitely thinking it over. And that's why throughout my ears, I'm like, I'm getting multiple slides, one specifically for showering because I can't, the thought of, like, have I shower without, um, sandals on or slides, we want to call them? yes but here's another question have you ever gone to the bathroom without slides on absolutely disgusting maybe rarely I can't think of anything but I can't say I never have you know definitely like I won't do the same thing it's truly the wet slide thing like I'll get in once I drive at the locker I'll throw my towel on the slides and the stomp on it move it around but then when I got to sit down and then I got to go up in the slide then I'm like ah let me just because it doesn't matter like I'm gonna wash my feet and stuff you know what I mean but I also face the boys like

in Washington my nickname was shrimp yeah oh there goes you shrimp. They're going. Actually, it was it was Dunbar, Dunny. And he would be like, there goes scrimp. Why do they call you shrimp? Come on. Oh, okay. I mean, why they call you shrimp? It's a tough L to take. Yeah. It is, but. God always give a little movement, pull it on a little bit

before I walked in there. You do your best. Especially the first couple weeks of OTAs and you guys normalize that. Yeah. Because everyone does it but no one wants to talk about it. I appreciate you bringing that up. Well, that thing a little bit because you don't want. It's hard because you're in spandex. And so it pushes it in. I know. You want to do a little, an extra trick. This is, this is game now.

So listen up. Fucking, as you're pulling on your little piece, push up on the balls. Get those guys go like this a little bit. Like, oh, shit, are we in trouble? Yeah. And then you fucking. You're just fucking. And that thing.

I'm just saying. It's a while. The showering in the locker room is a unique thing. You learn a lot about a lot of people there. But there is massive differences between black guys and white guys. I was going to say literally. Yeah. Like, and oh, before we even go to that category, I want to

say my piece on the sharring barefoot. I'm a barefoot baller. If I don't have to wear shoes or socks, I will not wear shoes and socks. Do I go in there? Wait, you're saying shoes and socks like all day? Or are you saying... If I could be barefoot all day, he'll be like a barefoot guy. I work. I work out. I'm a big barefoot guy around. I don't want

to get fucking athletes foot. But you're a big barefoot guy around work? Oh, yeah. I'll wear sandals. I'll take my shoes off anytime I can in meetings. Like, I'm not just going to coop my feet up with socks and shoes. I'm like, what's the difference of being going in the shower where there's soap and everything else, but you're doing it around literally you're showering off dirt and disgusting grime

and I know all the other teammates, I don't trust any of them, and they're walking with their feet. And have you seen the bottom of some of your friends, your teammates' feet? Yeah, they're crusty. That's why I'm like, nope, I'm not dealing with that. But that is for you to have. I'm going to keep with you.

I feel you. Everybody's got thrown there. It's probably, and the whole you and Aaron, like not you and Aaron, but sounds like the Packers got a bit of a shower deal in the locker room where you guys don't. It's probably why you guys have a one. Yeah, there's not. And different.

I hope that was the reason. Yeah. You got to shower more? You got to shower together more? I have no problem with that. That'd be a good camaraderie deal. That'd be a nice deal. The last thing before I know you may want to move off the subject, but I'll stay as long as you want.

Good. Okay. All right. What is the, how do I say this? You're safe. Yeah. No, I'm, no, I do feel very safe. But like, I'm trying to make sure I don't sound like an idiot.

The. Oh, that's what? you're trying to do. We call me gazing. Yeah. We're pro-meat gays here. But here's the thing, me gazers, meat beaking, everywhere.

Like you said, the peripheral, I respect that. That's natural. Yeah. fully cool with that. Then there's the me gazers like when I'm literally talking to you and I met guys that are asking me like about the end of the day. And then they keep talking. They go right back up. I'm like, so that was not tasteful. That was actually very violated. I feel violating. I feel violating. And now I feel violated. Therefore, like, I want to end this conversation quickly. Especially because I told you, I'm, I'm not a towel guy. I go in, a shower, I come out. If you're going to check it from the priff, that's your choice.

Don't let me catch you looking at it. Like when we're having a big conversation, I see you just drop down, keep going, and then come back up and be like, so yeah, what did you think on that one-on-one right there? Was that cool of you to do? I'm like, easy. I'm not going to drop names because I feel bad. Vince Beagle, but.

It makes you feel vulnerable. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. No, there's a couple guys. I mean, like, we have, I just, I don't think, like, I would be lying if I said I never saw another teammates meet, but on the same man. You mean you'd be lying?

Yeah, you'd be lying. To me, everybody's check the meat. I agree. I'm just saying it annoys me when there is like a, oh, I don't check them. I'm like, okay, bullshit. The peripheral, I agree with that. That's why I wanted, I want to leave it open, like, for talk.

Like, I wanted to leave this as a, as a place we can talk about. But the meat gazing, I actually do have a problem with. Yeah, I can get on board with that. I think it's meaning if they, you're saying, if they look at it, like I said, I'm talking to you and I blatantly look down and have the to come right. back up. It's like if I'm walking by, catching eyes and I see in the periphery and the bomb, I'm like,

you should be good enough to like, that's good. Yeah. Unless you've got a monster. If you got a monster is a different deal. You can't help. Then you get, you know, you're making the other person uncomfortable. Because when we were, when I was on Tennessee my first time around, we was a walkthrough on, it was a Saturday practice.

So we were doing a walk through before we traveled. And I would walk up and down the sideline basically in pole guys, like if they admitted to meet peaking in the shower. and it was probably a good 70-30. There were a couple guys like, oh, no, that's gay. I'm like, all right, bro. Like, I know, like, we all know we've caught each other in our periffs. But I would go up and down the sideline and ask guys like, hey, be honest.

It would be me and DB, Darren Bates. And we'd just be like, hey, be honest with us. Like, we're trying to poll everybody. We feel like it'll be more 50-50. But we want to give guys the chance to admit it if they have, like, have you meet people before, like caught periffs, gays in the shower or anything. But the majority of guys did say, yeah. Yes, it felt comfortable enough.

We're comfortable with you enough to say it. Yeah, maybe. If you're in the middle of a conversation with somebody and you look down, then back up. Right? Okay. That's not all right. But someone's across the room. You get your peek on accident.

It's all right. You're just appreciating God's gifts. You're just appreciating. The thing I always struggle with that I literally have to call myself out on is if I'm, like, drying off. I'm down here. If I go to look up, I just catch eye to eye with it. That's when I'm going to say, hey, bro. like you got to turn around when I'm doing this.

Because I just looked right at your piece. And I got to like tattle on myself. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because that's always. Or it's just like, yeah. And they're working with something. And you're just like, bro, come on, man.

Like you know. Like, please cover it. I've said this before. Like, there was a guy in Michigan. His name was AP, I believe. Big head, Mitch. And but this dude, when his locker was near mine and that piece was like the size of that whistle pig whiskey bottle.

That thing stroked down into the right. It was the most terrifying thing. I've ever seen in my life. It was that bottle you were picking up right now. You know what I'm saying? It was something else, bro. So I told him. I had to let him know.

Yeah. Hey, good for you. He had a girlfriend that literally would brag about, I'm the only girl to ever take all of it. Oh. I literally pulled it to the side at a party one time. I was like, you got to stop telling people that. Yeah, like it's not.

That's not something to be proud of. You got to say, you got to lie and say I could barely take the tip. That's what you got to do. But anyway. Yeah, I guess so, man. 10 minutes in, boys, good pod. That's a big dick conversation right there. 10 minutes straight penis.

Big dick conversation. Cool. Big dick energy in here. Have you gotten tired of being asked about Aaron Rogers? Depends on who it is. No, I, it hasn't really,

hasn't, I mean, it's been like that, like my whole career. So, like everyone, if it's, like the last four or five years.

If it ain't one thing, it's another type thing with him. So, uh, kudos to him. He's definitely like, uh, always being talked about.

Very mysterious. I think he kind of likes that. But, I mean, honestly, he's been kind of chill as of late. He's a jet now since the death problem, so. Is he officially a jet? No, but I mean, he's going to be, like... Allegedly.

What are they all going to happen? Well, it's weird, because if you're the Packers, what are you going to ask for Aaron? He's older. He's on the back nine of his career. He could literally, every, like, the last three years have been like, is he retiring?

What's he doing? What's the deal? And so he could literally go play for the Jets for one year and then retire. Is that worth a first round pick? It doesn't, like, but what are you going to do? I almost feel like Aaron has the leverage because if the Packers don't deal him, he can just, he's got, he's got it.

He can just not show up. He can literally hold you hostage. He's got the leverage. And I feel like, that's how I feel about it. Yeah. Or option three. Yeah, tell us how, what option three could be.

Again, I'm not being a homer. They're just thinking about the situations. Just hear it out is the Packers are rebuilding, whether you think so or not. They don't, like, could they be good? I don't know. Could they be bad? Probably if you're betting,

more people are going to think they're going to be bad than good. Right? Isn't that fair to say? Sure. So then they'll be like, well, we're going to suck anyways. We won't we want. And we're not going to bend anyone. So we'll just eat it. You can stay in style and retire.

We'll pay you. We don't care because we're going to, if we're going to do it our way, it's going to be on our terms. If not, what are we going to be? We're going to be soup bowl contenders anyway. So we'll eat it. You can hang on the side. We'll pay your money. And then we'll suck anyways.

Get the picks. As compared to dealing him for something that you shouldn't have, you look like, you could potentially look like an idiot to not only president and the board, but everyone else on the league, thinking in the GM's perspective, put yourself on the hot seat, and then potentially, you know, have your job come called to question. So I look at all these, like, ways you can, you can deal it. I don't think you'd get that contentious. I do think they'll probably come in an agreement. He'll get traded. They'll get what they want. And then I'm probably say, whether it was who won, who won what, but I'm saying there, I do think that it could be a third option

if things got so bad. You're right. You're right. I've changed my mind a little bit. No, we want this, and that's it. Because we know we're going to get them. I was going to somewhere else. Well, because what were you thinking? I think there's multiple options. They just say no, and Aaron still plays for the Packers next year, which I think is not happening.

Yeah, I can't. I can't say. I think that, I think that has officially probably been put to rest. I think they gave the keys of Jordan, said that. I was going to say, you say,

you say suck. It's like they want to move forward with Jordan loves. Somebody that draft in the first round, probably feel good about it's like you never know. Either way, they want to move forward with Jordan Love. You look at history. You're right.

You look at history with the Packers. I mean, when Aaron came. in far, that whole thing was essentially the same situation. It's crazy. The entering of Aaron, the entering of Aaron into the Packers organization, very, like, it eerie similar to how Jordan is, and same with the exit of himself, very eerie similar to Brett. It's like kind of weird how time is. Yeah, time of circle. History repeats itself.

Exactly. So, again, like I said, I don't know. Could the Packers be really good? Yeah, I certainly would love that and hope so, but also I'd be ignorant to say that. Is this look like a rebuild? Probably. The Packers probably won't eat it though. They'll probably take whatever the best deal they can actually... But if they feel like they're getting... Get out of it.

Like, I think there's a principal aspect to it. If you feel like you're going to get fucked over so much where you're like, you know what, screw it. Were we going to go to the Super Bowl? Everyone was saying we probably weren't anyway. So fuck it. We'll hold on to him. Eat it.

Our cap will make the cap, which I think they're in position to take on his full salary. Because obviously they wouldn't want to, like, show their hand. And then just be like, okay, fine. We know we're not going to use you. We appreciate everything you're doing. doing. Like, fuck you to the other teams aren't giving us what we want. We're not going to just give you whatever you want, Aaron. Because, so I can see it all going in different ways because I see Aaron's leverage. I see the Jets leverage. I see the Packers leverage. I'm like, it's fun to talk about.

It is. I mean, I think the most simple thing is going to be they'll get whatever picks that they really wanted. Obviously. Right. They'll come to something. Yeah, it'll come before the draft. They'll get it. They'll use it. And then time's going to show us. Because even that leverage as you're talking about with the Packers, like, just that ability to be like, hey, we can, we can, we can not do anything. And we're, we're prepared to do that. If you can walk away, like that's the strongest kind of leverage the half. So at least you'll still get as much as you can. Like, could you see an organization doing that? I don't fucking so. Like, but is it possible? But that tactic will, we'll get you some more. Yeah. I mean, like, it's a,

when the time comes. Like, there's so many people to have to agree on it because there isn't, like, an owner. But if you're an owner and you feel jaded by a guy and, like, slide by him, Like you see certain big name guys get like, like Odell felt very slyided from the Giants. And they have no order to be like, you know, F you, we're going to send you to like basically like where careers go to that. We're going to send you to Cleveland at the time. Yeah.

That's where careers go to die. Like old before. Everything's really changed. Yeah. Until they start winning. The only thing that's changed Cleveland is every offseason. They're the Super Bowl winners. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's very true. Like the only person's career that's not dying there is, uh, who's the freak? Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett. Dude, that guy's a stuff. He's just a fucking stunt.

Oh, yeah. It's just. One freak, one horny guy, and a bunch of dudes doing their best. But you're right. There's some personal that gets involved, but it's always still, it's still thought out in a way to where you make something shake. Yeah. You're right, though.

I mean, like, if you want to. Aaron has all the leverage thing. Yeah, I mean, again, like, Aaron's my guy. I totally, like, I would absolutely be on his side with that. But, like, I look at the whole situation. I'm like, okay, I see probably where the Packers are posturing. See where the Jets are posturing. I see where Aaron's posturing.

And, like, what, take out all the bias. like what really could happen. Like, go look at try and gather as much information and go look at what's plausible. Hackers obviously feel this way. That's probably why they're sitting standing on what they're standing on. Aaron, obviously probably going on saying the things he said because leverage he has, which we all see. And then obviously with the jets.

So it'll be interesting. I think I'm going to sit back and just watch. That's what people come and ask me. I'm like, dude. We're all watch. Talk for us out. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm like, this is good TV. Like, fucking like, yeah. I can just shit talk Aaron about it the entire time. whenever I won. Like, this is funny. Like, it's... From a personal standpoint, though, it's got to hurt a little bit. Like, it's the changing of the tides. Yeah, I mean...

And that is one of your best friends. It seems like you guys are incredibly close. Yeah, yeah. One, 100%. Yes, but like, two... We can relate on this. Like, it's... Look at our careers. Like, things come, things go. Things happen. I'm sure in your, like, timing with the Titans, like, you saw your homies that were there,

and then your homies started getting cut and getting released guys. you thought we're untouchable, start getting cut. And then you realize, like, you know what? It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when. Yeah. So when I started accepting that, like years ago, I'm like, yeah. I mean, Aaron, who's like, of course, you think the most untouchable person.

I'm like, I know what's going to happen at some point. I'm like, dude, go get yours. If you want to go somewhere, like, I will never be jaded by your business decision because I always care more about Aaron than I do about 12. Yeah. Like for the Green Bay Packers. So go. That's a nice quote.

Go do your thing, man. I'm cool with that. And I've said that to trailer. Thank you. I've said that to like all my teammates once I understood it back in like, I think when Josh sitting got cut for me, that was my like, holy shit. Josh was my left guard. Bro, yeah, you guys had a nice little room.

It seemed like you guys seemed super close back then. Yeah. Honestly, we had that was probably like when someone says like the good old days. Like you wish you knew when you're in the good old days. An office quote. Yeah. So that was a that I mean, that was. say in my tenure, like that was the closest, like that room has been, like, just a bunch

studs, fun. But yeah, like, once I saw guys getting cut and getting chopped during that era, I was like, okay, so, I mean, it happens, dude. So I've always told, like, any guy, even told Corey, I'm like, dude, go get yours. I would never be jaded if you, I'd be more jaded if you took less money because you thought that, like, oh, I got to be with my guys and not take care of yourself. Like, I'm still going to like you no matter what. I said to Devante.

I said to Corey. I've said it to even Elton coming up. I'm like, go do what's best for you. think about, take your emotion or like friendship stuff out of it. Like, this is a business. So it's so hard though, man, because football is so built around team. The boys. And sacrifice and selflessness.

And like, yeah, the boys, man. It's so built around that. It's so ingrained in you. And even when you have your team, like your 90 man roster, you're kind of going through the offseason. Some of the guys know who's going to be there and who's not. And then in training camp, you develop the coaches, all coaches, the whole organization preaches giving up and sacrificing for the logo.

But the minute. the season ends, the logo is going to do whatever is best for the logo. And every player is essentially a contractor and every player has to operate in an individual type of manner. And it's hard because you create such a strong bond, create such a strong bond. It's like when you go to the AFC championship, you make it that far. You go to the playoffs. Like, you were, yeah, you've been in leagues and 13.

So the year you guys beat us in the wildcard in Washington. But the moment, like, after it gets done and you lose in the playoffs, you just think, especially when you're young. Like, oh, we'll be back next year. You think it's the same guys. You're having the same conversations. Talking to, like, DeShon Golsson and Jason Hatcher and the guys that were on our defense,

like, hey, what are they saying to you? Because you think we're all kind of working together. Like, they're going to work to keep you here. And then when you realize they don't come back or nothing, you're just thinking like, are we trying to keep the squad together or not? And then you, because you're so brain. You're just ignorant and naive to it. And then when it starts happening, it's like tough.

It's like, damn, like, this is how it just changed. Then I go to Tennessee and it's a new group. and you're just like, man, this is just kind of the business that is the NFL. The biggest shock in the NFL for me was that first cut. At the first, like, everyone's in camp. You're sitting there in meetings. Coaches are preaching. We're a family.

We're a family. And then like, like week three, because they did two cuts back then, week three of the preseason, they'd like, all right, guys, after this game, like, we're going to have to get, it's just the name of the game, it's the business. And you're thinking like, hey, we're a family, though. Yeah. And you see dudes getting cut in that first cut that you, as a rookie, you don't know. But like, now looking back, yeah, obviously that.

guy had to go. But watching dudes just be like, hey man, good luck. Some dudes are taking it like they've been in the game for a while so they didn't know and they did they stab you up and say, hey, we'll see you. And there's other dudes that are like, usually rookies are like second year guys. They're like falling their eyes out. I think their dreams over. And it's like the most shell shocking experience, bro, going through that, you're like,

my God, watching it. And being able to see 100% turnover too, it's like, dude, it's just watching everybody. See you, see you, see you. I mean, how many times you've seen your locker room turnover? Because I mean, you're with Tennessee. for a long time. Yeah, dude, I was lucky because after my second year, I think everybody I played with was gone. In the O-Line room or in the O'Line room?

Yeah, in the O'Line room. And then Ben Jones came in, then Josh Klein came in, then Jack Conklin got drafted, and then Quentin Spain was an undrafted guy that came in. And then me and Ben, especially, we rode together for seven years straight. And that was like, Ben and I were like really like the nucleus of that group. And once we like figure out what we were,

wanted our group to be like and how we all meshed. It was like a plug-in-play situation. Guys would come in and they'd see how things are and they would just gel to it right away. We had people have left and come back or told us like it was an amazing room. It really was. And that's where I think about you and Aaron, it's like, yeah, you know what's going to happen. Having the changing the tide and everything and knowing that a chapter in your life is over. But it's still like when you do look back and you're like, damn, bro.

Like that was awesome. It was so fucking good being around those boys. Yeah. That's where I go back to like me thinking like this is how I have to think. Is it easy? Absolutely not. Do I want to talk about the brotherhood and like with a team like do I want to be like dude like stay. We're homies. We can fucking do this. Right. Absolutely

I want to. But then I'm also being selfish and trying to think and like because I'm being selfish for myself because I know like I'm going to be here anyways. Right. And I could potentially like I'd never wanted to influence like someone else in their personal life. Right. Because I know that this is a finite time and that's a lifetime.

Like when I that really dawned to me, that's where I stopped like, hey, I'll tell you how emotionally how I think. But truly, like, where I weigh more on is this side. And like that, this side was more about like you because of how like, I mean, I guess it's kind of philosophical how I started thinking. But like that's how I wanted the guy to be. Because I never wanted the guy to be like, oh, you said like this now. You're going up and leaving. I'm like, well, sorry. You know, if I were to like get up and leave, like if I wanted to go get a trade or something like that.

Not that I do. But he does. I mean, it's not like, that would be fucked up for me to say to someone. So that's why I'd never want to do that. I'd never wanted to add into someone. I was only like just being like, I wanted to be supportive. Right. Because you're almost forced to compartmentalize and you almost like, you have.

When guys are so emotional and react to something, you're like, oh, man, they just, they haven't like, they just don't have that awareness yet of what this business is like. How is it for you now? Like, we talk about, we just had that whole conversation. For you, you've been a five-time all pro, a three-time pro bowler. you've had a roller coaster these last couple of years, especially with injuries and everything else. And now you see headlines of, you know,

tackles getting hosted for your success or potential trade talks or should we restructure as contract. There's a lot of like external shit that goes on. How has that been for you coming from, you have five years of like dominance? And now all of a sudden you have two, your knee goes out on you. And you've been trying to get back on the field.

How has that, how have you been dealing with that, especially like now that headlines are getting a little, not real, but they're just, louder and you're like, fuck man, they're really, really trying to move on from the boy, at least from the media perspective. So one, it is fucking tough. Like, I'm not going to say it's easy. You know, I think a lot of people that you can relate to this, Taylor obviously coming from like injuries and stuff is, people think like, oh, no, we're good, we're collecting the check. We got all this money, life's good. It's like, but we didn't get here thinking like that. We didn't, like, we love to fucking ball. Like we, I didn't ever got paid to chill and not do. what I enjoy doing. So when I'm like, oh, you're getting money, I'm like, yeah, is it nice? Sure. I'm not going to, I'm not going to discredit that side, but what fucking sucks more is, like, I'm being stripped of something that I love doing, especially the way I like doing it. And at a certain point, though I think those can come to a head and that can start like, on to question like, you know, where you're at. So you talk about like my career, like, yeah, I'm talking about the back nine. Like, I might be on, I might be in the teens of whatever hole I'm on on my back nine. So, I mean, for me, like, I've kind of hit more of a, fuck it.

I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm going to enjoy it, whether I'm on this team, if I get traded. I haven't fucking cared. I'm just like, hey, I'm enjoying where I'm at. It's almost like I'm that young, naive kid again when I was drafted because, like, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know if I'm going to make the team, but I'm along for a ride and I've had a hell of a fucking journey. And I'm going to come in with the blissful fun side that, like, I wanted to grind and have fun as I'm going to do. as I'm going to do going out because I'm not going to stress about what I can't control. Try to control so many things up to this point.

I'm like, fuck it. I'm just going to ride whatever happens. And if that's two weeks, two years, five years, cool, go. Why not? There's a level of like releasing that stress and like one for control. That is extremely freeing. Yeah, exactly what you're going through.

It's, it is one of those deals where like, when you realize what you can achieve, it's like the only thing that matters is achieving that thing over and over and over again because to do it once, like your first all pro, your first pro ball, you're like,

this is sick. But immediately once it's announced, it's like, how do I fucking do this again so people know it's not a fluke. And then you keep fighting, fighting, fighting,

and then all of a sudden, some injury happens. And then you, like, we had injuries similar times. You were a couple months after me, but we were like text therapists. Like we would sit and talk to each other about our knees

and what's going on, this and that. voice message therapist. Yes. On your end, you're a big voice message guy. I do love the voice message. Get it in and get it going. But like, it is one of those things where you're like, you fight so hard to get back and then things don't go your way. And then there is a point in time. It's not like a level of defeat where it's like, I can't, I got to stop trying to control it so much because it's making it worse on me mentally. And like, everything around me is suffering because of it. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's a lot fucking go through. And it's nice to know that you're like in the place you are now. Yeah. It definitely was a. journey to get here. I didn't like immediately in the process. Like it took a lot and I didn't even like realize the toll it took on me mentally till after I was already through it and even like talking with my wife and going back like damn like that wasn't me. And like things did change. But I'm like, oh, this is like I'm being status quo kind of doing my thing. Yeah. Like I'm saying, it fucking sucked. It hasn't been fun. And like the whole leading up like in my career like stress, yes. And it feels very

stressful. But rewarding and fun too. So when it's just stressful and negative and you're getting stripped of fun, where is I leave? And that's where I kind of was. And now I'm like in a point now where it's the relinquishing the control, because I guess I am a little bit of a control freak, especially, you know, with your body. You have to be. And then now I'm like, I feel freer. I feel better. And even physically, I feel better. I'm like, this is cool. And this is new because this is not how attacked my career. You know, being a day three, day four guy, I'm trying to show you that kind of what it's like on this end.

Yeah, I want to see. Yeah, I have no idea. I need to, I need to learn. Put me on day three, day four game. I don't know. We would love to be day one guys too. But I mean, like, you know, we're just grinding through. No, I've, I've heard your absolute grander.

But like, it's like, that's how I've been. And that's how I attacked. It's like, damn, like, almost I have to do the opposite. The thing of the antithesis of what I am actually works for me. But it doesn't make sense. having to surrender to that. That's what I'm like, fuck it, dude. I'm just, can I do what I want to do today?

You can let me need? Cool, let's do it. You don't want me today? All right, fine, we'll chill. Whereas before, it's like, come hell or high water, I'm up early, I'm fucking doing it. Suck it the fuck up. If it hurts, you're going to hurt through it

and you're going to make it feel good while you're doing it. That's where I'm at. Did you go through a little bit of, and this is me kind of projecting, this question is me projecting onto you a little bit, but wondering, when you first get hurt, and you tear your ACL, that next season or, you know, those last couple of games,

everybody is like, you're reading the tweets and everyone's like, man, if Luan was out here, if Bakhtiari was out here, we'd be doing X, Y, and Z and you're like, they're just all like, damn, I'm fucking, I'm really him. These people really appreciate me. And then you get into that next season, you're having a lot of ups and downs with the knee, and you see that narrative change. It's like, this fucking guy, man, can't stay healthy. Like, what's the deal?

When are we getting rid of them? And it's like the same people. Was that an effect on you at all? because that was for me. A little bit, but like, no, I'm still struggling with that. I would say a little bit, but I definitely wouldn't probably wouldn't say as much because I remember, like, when I was young, I always would tell my mom, my mom would post, like, on Facebook. She hasn't graduated out to, like, Twitter and anything like that. Yeah.

But, like, on Facebook, she's the best. Yeah. It's been awesome. She's in this little bubble. But, like, she would just post all these good articles about me when I was young and kind of ascending in my career. And I would, I don't know. I guess always kind of being like the. The gritty person who's just been shit on is like,

oh, you're too small. This side and like, but I've heard my life. Told her, I'm like, hey, like the same person's writing this about me is going to be the same person saying I should be cut.

Like, if you're going to post this, I'm cool with you doing that. But then you also got to post the shitty ones. Oh, damn. Like, yeah,

again, I guess like I got the heart on myself. But I remember telling him on that, just to kind of like tempo expectations. Because like I didn't have expectations. I'd be where I am in my career today. Like that shit. Like I didn't,

I was just like, holy shit, I'm gonna make the league. This is fucking great. Like, I don't know how, but the fact I'm getting in the door, great. So, you're in it, like, I can definitely relate, but, like, I always was like, yeah, this guy, like, I know you're gonna come after me at some point.

It's not, again, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Like, the tides are going to turn. It's going to go from, like, oh, you're the missing piece. Oh, it feels really good to, damn, like, this piece is fucking hindering us right now. Yeah. Well, I, you know, all right. So, like, so be it. Fuck it.

what um that's fucking yeah that's a good that's a good that's a good thought process to have i had did not have that but again like do i like sometimes like stroking my ego when i'm feeling down like go read a good article or someone saying about me yeah definitely i would read that and then when i see the shit oh this guy does no fucking shit yes that went on yes where's the other like local be right yeah yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah dude now we're on the same page yeah does that happen yeah i've totally been through that but i in the back my mind i've never like let that other side of me being like uh i'll give you one like pro football focus i have never and i will say this. I never liked them. Yeah, but you, but you

pay to get good ratings? No. I used to, I remember asking a local beat writer. I was pissed off because I'm like, why is this guy shit? Like, these people literally, I didn't know at the time how lack of, like, lack of influence they had, but I was like, this person's going to cause me my job. They keep talking shit about me. Right. Because like, that's the only thing I see out there. This was like back in 2014. You think everyone else sees it too. And that's what I thought too. I'm like, these grades, but my coaches give me these other grades that are different.

what like but everyone else is only seeing this one and I'm what am I supposed to just like take a photo and say like put out there like great you had after the game like here's the right right right the top right corner I'm getting like I was like what what's going on like again I think this is very like just naive of me early on and then then I really start rolling where it almost became like I almost feel like pro football focus was like pissed they're like fuck I'm gonna have to start getting good grades and then I remember I'm like once I start jerk me off I'm like well fuck you guys you think I'm gonna fucking pump you now so I literally have never liked, tweeted, or ever even given them any credence, I guess to this day. So congratulations. He has got me. Fucking dead me later. I guess until this day. We got what we needed it right here? I'm like, I sat there. I'm like, what the fuck? And then they started jerking me off. They sent me

like trophies of like whatever. I'm like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Like, so like I, as like a joke, I put it like in the old line. I'll never bring that shit home. Like, best pass blocking off. Like that's a shit that just like pissed me off. I don't know why we got on this tangent about about them, but that was one thing with social media. It's something to get up your chest. It affected you.

That one definitely did because I'm like, well, you're fucking shitting on me right now. And I think you're costing me like my goddamn job. And then I'm like at work and it's starting to, I'm looking at this grade. I'm like, okay, so my coach's thinking this. Hopefully they're not reading this.

I'm going to work. Everyone's like, dude, you got keep it up, great shit. And I'm like, I go home. Everyone's like, like, God,

we need a draft attack. Like, get this guy off the team. Like, he's Marshall Newhouse 2.0. I'm like, whoa, guys, what the fuck.

Wild shout of Marshall. Yeah, I know it's hard up. I know it's, at anyone's throat at left tackled back in like the, like, 2012, 2011. It was fucked up. Yeah. You can tell it's been a process where you've talked about all alluded to that process

of just the ups and downs of it all and not get into this kind of like fucking mentality. But what has, what pissed you off the most during the whole process? What pissed me off the most? Like which, like what? So I guess, I guess for myself when I would go through injuries. And what would piss me off trying to get back onto the field and everything else? throughout the whole process outside of like hearing trips and things like that would always be the level of just not on the same page of a person that you might work with off the field

versus people you work with in the locker room and in the training room. And some of like in your head, some of the incompetencies you think that the NFL training room can have at times, it would always piss me off because they want to not think we were going there. Yeah, no, I didn't think that's what I'm talking about like, you know, when I was like going through it or trying to recover from injuries and everything else, you just wish everybody. would be on the same page. And you're like, man, it seems like, it seems like so-and-so is looking out for my best interest, but why are they kind of forcing to push my hand to, like, go out on the field right now a little

too soon? So that would always piss me off. So I'm kind of just asking you, that might not be it. But I'm asking you, like, what's kind of, what, what pits you off the most throughout the process of coming back and throughout these last couple of years? I think what we said before, like, the lack of control. Like, that fucking pissed me off. I think every other injury I've had, which, again, hasn't gone, like, even, like,

documenter has to be out there because I don't feel like it needed to. Like, I just. grit my teeth harder and just say, fuck it, I'll do it later. And they would just kind of go away, kind of just fit in line. Like, if I ignore you enough or just tell you that,

no, you can't be hurt, you can do it. Whereas, like this knee thing, and I like that we can kind of relate to this. Like, we can drink, maybe whistlepick and talk more better. I'm sure we got a millennia of, yes, sir.

Yeah, free plug, baby. It, the most annoying thing about it is like, I can't, like, I have to listen to it. It won't let me do the, what I've done my entire life. And that, I think, is the most stressful part. Now the whole training room in, like, who's doing what?

Like, hey, man, like, that's, I think that's a whole other basket that. Problem is information when it comes to what will you're talking about. It's because you go and you meet with these third parties. And they put so much game on you about, they're using big words. They do a couple of things. And they're like, just do this, isn't this right now. And you do it. You're like, oh, fuck, I do feel better when you do that.

and then you go to the the training room and they're like they they stick to the the nuts and bolts of what's going on they got a new machine for everything but you're still doing rice you're still you know what I'm saying and so it does you're still doing rice yeah it's still like yeah it makes you think like hey who is right and who is wrong and then usually like as you get followed down the road the road you start working with these third party people and you're like well man every time I work with them I feel way better why is that different than when I'm in the training room what like why is that causing that frustration And then, I mean, you saw me in what, 2021 with Adrian in the training room. Yeah. He was, this one of the trainers we had, he was making me do some stuff. And I fucking lost it on him one day. So I just felt like he was doing it wrong. And everyone else is telling me he's doing it wrong. But he's like, no, this is the only way to do it.

And it's just, that is a frustrating thing to go back on the things you struggled with you because that shit is. Yeah, it's like you work and you're trying to like, you know, make your injury feel a lot better. I had this thing called like Asiitis people where my groin was just inflamed. And then I had basically had to set up like two weeks in training camp. And the third part of that I would work with, the guy that I would work with that would fly in, we go to his hotel room and everything else. And we're doing all these things to make to relieve some pain and do all this. And the big thing was like, hey, don't get on a bike or anything else.

But the first thing I'd do when I'd go into the training camp, the next day would be like, get on a fucking bike. And it's just like, yo, are these motherfuckers like actually trying to figure out what's wrong with me? Or are they just going through the motions? So I'll just say, like, those types of things that piss me off. And now, for me, I'm more on the, I'm like, I'm pretty, I am on the other side. of it so I can kind of talk a little shit about it. I do feel like there's incompetencies in the NFL when it comes to that stuff. Like the reason no players go back and train all year round at the facilities,

it's because the facilities and the programs usually suck. I know it's kind of harder for you guys to speak on it. This is Will's NFLPA. My NFLPA? Yeah. No, I'm just saying like speaking openly about that stuff. Like the NFLPA did come out with grades and everything else for all that stuff, which I thought was phenomenal.

Yeah, I thought that was awesome. It kind of gives an insight to what goals. goes on. It is awful. First of all, I actually will respectfully disagree. Are they bad? I don't even want to even go bad. I love J.C.

Oh, I think J.C.'s awesome. So, yes, did we have gripe before? Because, again, let me also. He sucks. Yeah, he's awesome. I know. I mess with J.C. Treter. He's a hardworking, well-spoken, good dude.

I was with him in Exos and Carl's Bad all the time. That guy is an elite person, human being. He's going to, so I was drafted with him in Green Bay. And like, I think, so he went to Cornell. And I believe he studied like a union. Yeah, it was in because when he got voted as a president, it was kind of like a no brainer when he gave us. He's literally made for this job. Yeah.

And like, I remember him telling me, he goes, the worst thing the NFL did could have done was blackballed me because I'm the president. And now they just gave me more time to fuck them over. I heard this. And like, I know J.C. J. He's a very fair guy. Like, he's going to call a spade a spade, even if it means a detriment himself. I'm like, that's an honest man.

Like, I would love to play any type of car game with him because I know he will never cheat. He'll never cheat in anything. He'll be a guy. Like, if you even drop money, he's like, he's that kind of guy. Yeah. Like, he's always like, I got the coach watching. Sometimes we get annoyed because we were like, you know, back when we would play, we get out of meetings when we were rookies and be like, oh, that's how we talk.

We got to go back to the offensive ladder. I'm like, no, we fucking don't. If we all don't go, we're going to be good. Well, the border said so. I'm like, God damn it, JC. Yeah. Then we'd have to fucking go in the meetings. I've gotten that.

Yeah, he was one of those guys. Yeah. But I respect it now in his position. And that's been the code. of who he's been. So these grades, going back to the grades, and him, like, I think he is actually doing well. And the nice thing, being as close as I am with him, being drafted with him is I got, like a fast past to know what's going on, what's he thinking, what's he doing? And I think that he's actually using the money for good for positive change. And he's got a vision of what he wants to do,

like that NFLPA thing, the golfing thing. There is a vision behind it. It's not just, let's get the guys going to golf. I don't want to, like, the Voltge, too much of like his plan, but there's a plan behind it. When you're saying use the money for good, can you say anything about that? I think for us, like, we would always call the question. Like, we're paying these dues and like, what's it going for? What are we really getting? And like, did we really feel like it was being used in our best interest?

The fiduciary duty. That's where we called a question. I think that's where you say, no. Like, I think that's where you have that resentment. And I think over the course of our career, I think a lot of guys felt that same way. Yeah. I like where it's heading because you have a guy in the room that I know, like I said, he'd be the guy found money on the ground. He'd hand it back to you.

So I know that he's looking at this money and be like, well, this is a waste of money. Why is this money going here? Should be going towards this. And he'd fight for, use this money for something that's actually to do it that's going to do good not only for the PA, before the players and then the PA. And if it isn't, let's put a cabosh this thing right now. So I have trust. I have trust in JC. Yeah. So that's what makes me feel really good.

And so far the things that he's doing, like the Twitter blast with. the fields with the grades. I thought that was a great first step and I think it showed all these players like, fuck, I got some. You know, these strength coaches and these training people

better fucking start getting their shit right now because they're going to be on the hot seat because I got a grade coming free at the end of the year. Whereas before everyone used to be super taboo, you don't talk about what goes on the facility. And you know they're in with, whether it's head coaches, front office, ownership, stuff like that.

You just realize they're kind of like, can't really mess them because they're kind of setting their job. Now that this stuff is public, it's like people can have a bird's eye view on how each element in the building is working. Like, man, it seems like our players really don't like the strength coach or really don't like the nutrition or the building or this person or that person. And you can kind of check and have that open dialogue on getting better. Like, hey, what changes are we making?

Are you stuck in your ways? Why are you getting this grade? Why do collectively do the players feel about you in this way? Wasn't the Ravens? Like, the Ravens hadn't had the worst strength? coach and everyone was extremely outspoken, but I think two weeks before, like 10 days before that thing came out, they fired him because the, I, this is, again, I don't know 100% what I, what I what I had heard was they fired him because they knew this was going to come out and it was going to

look bad on the organization. And then that goes back, hey brother, we got some power now. Right. And that, what I think is awesome. And I think for all of us, we can all agree that like, we know the players have power. The hardest thing is getting us to get together. All of us are all over the fucking place and it's sad, but I see J.C. pulling us together. Even like, you know, am I really talking to him? Is he like there? No, but like with these things, I feel like we're being able to have one collective voice and that is very strong, especially when it comes to negotiations, especially for getting for what you want. So that's where I feel about that with Jay C. C wants to come on. Yeah. The other one on a little tangent a few episodes ago and J.C. immediately

puts us in a group. He says, hey, I want to come on the bus. That's a little different than when we had the other PA presence. I do like, I, like I said, I like JC. I'm nervous about him coming on the bus. Why is that? Because he's such a, he's such a well-spoken and he's much more well-versed and everything we're going to talk about than I am. So I am going to look dumb. And the reason why I know I'm going to look dumb is I don't feel like looking into it so much where I can like literally have an actual debate with this individual. Yeah. And also, I know my hatred and, uh, dismay for the NFLPA is from an individual standpoint. Two thousand-19. getting a PED, knowing I didn't take that PED, and essentially I get on a call with them.

They're like, there's nothing we can do for you. And my thought is, is like, why in this judicial system of the NFL, am I guilty before proven innocent? And then if I am proven innocent, still guilty. So that put a massive, like, I got very frustrated. I lost a lot of money, but I also lost a lot of respect around, around the community. Jaded, yeah. People, I'm extremely jaded from that situation.

And then going into meetings, like you have those three, four meetings every year with the NFLPA and it's like you sit there guys are asking good questions guys are asking questions about money what we should do where we should go what's going to happen and there was never a clear cut black and white answer it was always a gray area we're working on this trust me guys this is going to happen and it was never like nothing ever got done it was like an hour of dudes just bitching at the PA guys and them going hey but we're doing we're working for you yeah you should come to the meetings which you're on me all the time about going the meetings but it's like I have really drawn a line in the sand with the NFL PA

from what's happened to me individually. Which is, which is justifiable. Like, that's understandable. I think it's like... Because of the P. Do you think I lost $4 million? Yeah. Well, you know, I get the guy. Yeah, I'd be pretty jaded. Yeah. And the thing that frustrated me the most is like, when I'm, if I'm in a situation

where I need to go to battle, essentially, I'm going to battle with the lawyers of the NFL. These dudes are paid so much money. And I'm frustrated. I want the people working with me to at least seem just as frustrated as I am, just as angry and motivated. They could be fucking lying to me for all I care. But as long as I feel that for me,

I'm like, all right, I feel like whatever happens, they're doing the best thing. We're doing this together. Yeah, I get on a call with them, and it's like,

hey man, you know, based on the way this is all set up, you know, you literally have to go through old supplement cans and get them tested. And I can go into a whole thing about how supplements

are made batches and all that. It's kind of just one thing after another. A lot numbers. Nothing's regulated. There's like, even if you have NSF, certified. Like that's, that's, you know, sometimes shit can still get in there. So they really just sat there and they were waving the white flag on our first conversation. It was just so frustrating,

dude. And I remember getting on the call with the NFL and the PA and there was like basically my sentencing of what's going to happen. I'm sitting in the kitchen. And I knew there's nothing I can say here anymore to not get suspended. So I took my 25, 30 seconds to tell I was literally like, you guys are pieces of shit. Fuck you. You. guys like went off and then hung up the phone. I like went off for a while. I love that. And since then I've had that, I've had that chip on my shoulder and it's like, I would love to have JC on because of how much respect I have for JC.

But I know good and well when we sit down and have that conversation, I'm going to walk away feeling dumb, you know? I think the reason he was. I think that's good thing. I don't want to run away from that. But at the same time, it's like, I'm very aware that is going to happen. Wouldn't you rather have a PA president make you feel dumb? Yes.

And make you feel really smart. Absolutely. Especially because they're privy to the. They're at certain tables, conversations, and planning. I'd rather have him be like, damn, I never thought of that instead of, what the fuck are you thinking? And it's these other clowns, like these regional dudes that come in, they, dude, they piss me up.

Who's the one guy? Is it Ernie? Oh, yeah, I don't like Ernie at all. Ernie's a piece of shit. I understand. It's very justified. Bernie and then who's the guy? Who's the black dude?

Baldhead. Don Davis. Yeah. Fuck that guy, too. I think you're really good with names, man. Well, yeah. Every single time I've had a conversation with them and they've got to me. I'll say something when I get them off.

Well, I'm just, I'm also like finishing this. Go off. Go off. When these motherfuckers come up to me and we're having these conversations, there's never a clear answer. Never a clear answer. Well, I'm asking you questions that are very basic and I can just give me the answer to.

The 401k? Phenomenal. Other than that, what the fuck are we doing? Like, what is happening here? Why? Like, I have no idea. and they've never given me a clear answer. I think they're just,

I think they're just cutting checks just to cut checks. I think this is the one, and I know you want to talk about it. Well, I don't know what, yeah, the only thing I can say to that,

I'm like, let me just hear and listen. I've had questions I've gone to them for. And my only thing, again, I've never gone down the alleys you've been down. Yeah.

But I just know from them, their whole idea is, we cannot confirm anything that has any little drop of gray because now we are deemed liable. Because the moment they give you clarity. Exactly. And that's the bullshit. So like,

yeah, that's the only thing I can think of because that's like for them. It's like, I've been there. I was like, give me a fucking answer. Just tell me yes or no. And they're like, well, you know, we just recommend that you know, from a supplement statement, like we recommend that no player takes

any supplement. In the moment they put anything in their body, they're subject to potentially like having a tainted substance. I'm like, do you tell me, can you fucking broccoli from fucking if I go to Publix and get broccoli? Because it could be potentially tainted and it's not organic. It's really responsible for it. So I'm just like, that that's, that's the point. It's all coming your ass off. It's fucking stupid. Yeah. And like, it should be, like, that is a terrible way to go about, especially for the players

you're representing us. Give us more cut and dry, more black and white. Because it's our careers. It's our money. But like, then again, you strip that away. It's like, and I'm trying to go on their side and look. I'm like, okay, I see what you're doing. It's fucking like, I hate it. But all right. And the supplement thing, dude, it's completely assenine for people to sit there and be like you don't need to take any supplements. Just get good nights rest and eat nutrition. Like brother, we are putting out so much energy and damaging our body so much on a day-to-day basis

during football. You need supplements. They're extremely important to take. You need the basics, the fish oils, the B vitamins, vitamin D, like take dose. But guess what? You're still fucking liable. And it's just wild. And if that is the case, why don't we have every guy get blood work?

and every single guy have supplements that the team buys and make sure it's good. And then we take those. Right. Because then they're liable. Like, how was that not an easy answer? Because the money. But how can they confirm that you're taking it a part of a conversation?

If you do your blood work and they say based on your blood work, what your levels are in X, Y, and Z, you need this much of vitamin C. You need this much vitamin D. But then, like, they give you the supplements and then like, okay, but then let's say you still pop. Then what they confirmed that you took something that the, that the franchise. Then it's like, okay, if we've done your blood work and we've given you all the things we know you need, then why would you need to take anything else outside of here?

Even creatines, even proteins, all that stuff. If you give me all the stuff I need and I take it and then I go off and do something else, I should be loud before I do it if I'm getting everything I need. I totally agree with that. And for one, that that's what's around the corner. Yeah. I think I would love, I actually yearn for the day for that. Yeah.

Because I think it's like, it's jumping. I know. Well, you read the supplements, I was like, I got to fucking. No, I totally agree with that. I'm like, I did the blood work thing too. I've been going down the alley and I fucking love it. I'm like, what the fuck? Why don't our teams do it's like, you invest so much money in these players, optimize them,

get the most you can out of them. Make sure that they're healthy. They're recovering. They can show up on Sunday. There's so many guys who don't know shit that literally have never had protein besides muscle milk that they were given through college. And then they never had a supplement before in their child until they get to the NFL. And then it's like, oh, go fend for yourself.

Like, we just had a rookie pop because his, what do you went to at JC and his buddy? He's like, dude, we got big taking this, take this. It's like, like, could. And they love, like, teams love micromanaging. That's a great one to do. But they don't know who to trust, who to go through. How much money is it going to be? Oh, you know what?

Like, is it tested? Oh, did it not come from like one of the guys already works here? Then they're going to get jaded. Then they want to have control over it. So then they shoot it down. They say it's stupid because they don't want to like have their job come to compromise. And it's just, it's a whole. whole racket. But I totally like, I would love that. I do that myself. I, all the shit you're saying,

we just got blood work done two weeks ago. Yeah. I'm literally going, like, today you're talking about scheduling. That's where I'm going to see in Franklin. I'm going to go see my like the blood guy and make sure everything's level because since I doing that, my body has been way better. I wish I was doing this when I was younger again. I had no fucking idea. I was like you. I was taking. Here's the thing. I remember taking a protein supplement and then literally I got an email after taking for a good like 12 months, 18 months, and it said, hey, recall, tainted something. And I'm sitting there like, it was an organic grass fed. I was getting it from overseas.

And I was like, ooh, shit. I'm like, well, I was fucking, I've been tested. And it's been clean so far. I'm like, you know, damn, I could have gotten fucked. And I didn't, for me, I'm like, I'm paying top dollar for like a grass fed protein that's coming from where the hell. I think my dad told me about it. He's like, he's always like been health conscious.

but that's something like I could have easily been one of those stories too and I wouldn't fucking pissed. I'm like, I brought this in. It was literally sitting in our facility. Like our, no one, you know, this is before NSF became a big thing.

Right. You have the app where you could do like you do the barcode. That's when NSF first came in, right? This is before that. You would still take like even the non-NSF stuff. You could hold up a bottle, and it would be like green,

yellow or red. I mean, nowadays honestly, like, this is, I don't know if he has one of this. be cool. And I'm like, I don't really take much stuff anymore. Like, I literally take like the vitamins that I, the blood guy, just told me to do from like Thorne. I'm like, okay, that's

all NSF. And then I like barely drink protein shit. I just eat it at this point. That's what I'm at such a fucky. Like, you know what? My body's just going to hold on to what it is. And if it's not, like just organic, natural supplement, what I can from the vitamin standpoint, let it go. Like enough of that creeteen, like that talk. I did all that stuff. That's where I'm at now. You're losing the meathead. You're losing the meathead right now. I am. It's a scary thought. I am.

It is sad, but. But it seems like you want to just get back to the basics. It is. I think, I do think getting back to the basics. I think we've, it's a different philosophy. Like I think my body now is actually held weight better. I used to always be struggling to be heavy. Now I'm like,

I don't know, lose a little bit of weight. And it's still kind of hanging there a little bit longer. I'm not taking a single fucking. A equally a scary thought. Yeah, that's also scary. As a dude who is also like always, always heavy. Or, I'm sorry, always light trying to become heavy. You would think, man, but someday when I'm done playing, this is going to be awesome.

I'll drop weight like that. Yeah. That'd be a scary thought if you're like, man, I'm kind of eating the same, but nothing's really fluctuated. Dude, I've been eating quinoa and grass-fed meat for literally three weeks straight on this cleanse. And I'm like, how am I barely losing weight? Because I'd hold me would be plummeting. Yeah. I'd be in like the two 90s ASAP.

And I'm sitting here just still hovering. I'm like, can we like, I want to, I want to get that low right. fucking am. Like, well, just keep sticking to it. I guess age. How do you, uh, this, do you remember what you were going to say?

Yeah. I think ultimately I was just going to say like, uh, like I completely like, that's all justifiable and understandable, like feeling jaded. Like when the year 10 stuff was going on, like, yeah,

it's kind of like water off my back. Well, was I actually so serious to where it was going to piss me off? Like, yes and no. Because, you know, you still lose out on. Like,

when I couldn't sign that deal, it's like, you still lose out. on over $300,000 that I could have had in the bank account. And it pisses you off that there's some, there's really a cover your ass conversation about it. It wasn't necessarily, hey, this is where the NFL could get you and the gambling or the structuring.

It's like, we don't think nothing will happen, but also we can't guarantee it. So that ultimately led to not playing, not playing. But I think like with the whole NFLPA thing and JC coming on the bus and everything like that, you have such a microphone because you are a premier, like you signed the the biggest deal at one point in time. And when something happens and you just feel jaded and you're like, fuck the PA and everything like that versus the stance of like, let's figure out how we can fix the system, which I know it's like, Jay C, he's trying to do things like that.

I think that's where, I think that's where it's like you want to come in. If we're going to, if the NFLPA, we need to be a union that's about the boys that's the player's best interest in mind and everything about that. And we want to make it that way. I think that's why it's imperative for guys to show up, go to the meetings, do all that stuff. versus, you know, you have your thing and it is justifiable. And everything you're saying is a good point.

Right. And it's such a, it's like an individual jaded thing to where you're just like, no, fuck the P. I'm drawing the line in the sand. Like I said here, I'm like, man, we got to figure out a way to get him to come around because if you have the strongest voices coming out and taking it serious, you can start to make a little bit of change. Something small, you had to at first get,

like practice squad players didn't get eligible for benefits. I went to the meetings like after the second or third year. Lorenzo Alexander, 15-year player made the pro ball. Stud. He was a, he was a practice squad guy for three years before he started playing in the game. And I was always pissed because you could be a undrapped, you could be a rookie who was going to get cut,

but you got hurt and you got put on IR, you got like double the money of peace squad guys, guys who are still playing. Like I would see guys I knew we're going to be gone. And I'm sitting there fucking grinding on practice squad. Yeah. And they got access to the benefits, the 401K, the retirement,

double the money that I was getting. And you just felt the type of way to where it's like, well, how do we make a change or make some kind of rule? but fortunately when you go, when you're at the meetings and you can try and do some of that focus work, Lorenzo ends up getting something passed where you can either credit a year or practice squad players can now have, can now have access to benefits. But all to say is, J.C. being the president, trying to make all these changes, somebody you can trust. It's like there are some suits and people we need a weed out that don't necessarily have the best interest.

Yeah, to where, and when you say, I just want to feel like it seems like somebody has some urgency to this. because again, going off the example with the year 10 stuff, it always felt like I talked to somebody at 11 in the morning and they're like, they're going to talk with a lawyer of the first thing tomorrow morning. It's like, why, we have hours today. Like I can be signed and going out there and doing this. If I just felt like somebody was trying to fight the good fight

and figure it out for me, which I agree with all that stuff. It's just the dude, fuck the PA and this. I'm like, I just wish he would come around a little bit because you have a strong voice. Yeah. And we have a pod that's about the voice for the boys. And we want the grades. We want the union.

And we want the players to be in the best possible position to battle against the ownership and things like that. And we obviously need to fix those flaws in the system. I would say stop paying your dues is the best way to put yourself in the best position. No, I'm just kidding. No, no, no. When all this. You won't be jaded if you get, if they cut you a check for $4 million. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You and make that more money, right? You and Megatron, dude. Like, if Detroit pays me the money that they owed me, if you get your money of the PA, he'll be back in, like, in Detroit. I'll be waving that fucking flag. You bring up a good point Like hey you get in it more do more stuff

Like try to be a part of it They did the same thing to me Like hey you want change Go make it yourself And I And then it kind of goes back to Being so solely focused on your career When everything's going well

At that point in my career Everything was going exactly how I wanted it to go And I thought to myself Why? Just eat this Hate them And limit distractions And focus on where you need to go with your career

That was that you know Because it's like I've always worked best if I just simplify things. And that was easy for me to simplify as compartmentalize and be like, okay, move on from that. That's gone. I can't, you can't do anything about it. It's not worth my time. I have a young kid. I think Taylor was pregnant with Willow at the time. Yep. So it was all like, why would I go and add more to my plate when I can just focus on this and in my head, like, you can make that four million up at the back end. Just keep fucking, just keep focusing. Now obviously

injuries start happening and stuff like that. Great. That's a unbelievable way to think too. Yeah. Like to compartmentalize and then to also think like that in the moment because I will say go back my memory, did come back from that. Do you remember watching a couple clips and a couple games of you. You can even pull them up. You can see. I remember you run a little terror when you came back about. I appreciate that. I do remember.

2019 was a good year. I was going to say, I do remember when he came back. I'm like this. Like you say fresh legs, this at the other. But there's a difference between having fresh legs. And then there's that kind of like fuck everyone. I'm going to show everyone type thing. The compartmentalizing that I did see.

Like I do remember watching. I was like, Dude, I appreciate you saying that because I think about my fucking fire. When I look back at like my film if I, I don't really look like at my film but I like when I think back about my film like 2019 and 2020

where like my best put together games I've ever played and it was such a, I was in flow state for a while then. It was an angry flow state and it was a rolling man. But yeah, 2019 that missed those first four games and then I only played five games 2020, but I legit thought to myself, like, I'm really just, I'm, I'm, I'm peaking.

Like, I'm really, five and O. Five and O and, bro, I was falling. I was really going out there. And I do appreciate you saying that because I think about that sometimes. I'm like, I don't, I can't go out and say that myself. Like, it's just like, then it's like, what are you trying to adjust? Hey, that's what the brother is here for. You know what I'm saying?

That's why I got so fired up when you said it. Like in my heart, I was like, damn. Because when you were talking about the moment, I was thinking I'm like, I do remember looking at film like, you know, that was that same fucking time. Because I'm like, you didn't come back from injury then. you just came back from something like oh it was the fucking that yeah and I remember watching because we were playing some like my attention is watching like I said there's a difference in having like the fresh legs going out there playing because sometimes fresh legs also equals

it a little bit of rust and an over excitement there was like that like you said right flow state like you had the proper lean and smoking dudes off the ball and you've always been an unbelievable run blocker especially for me in a left tackle too which again you can get the whole debate but like just purely tackle I'm not going to put you in a box tackle standpoint moan dudes off the ball not being like too far over your, over your toes versus like, you just, we're very balanced. Like, and not just like from a flow state, as you really tell, but also just like, when you're out in the field,

you know the difference. Like, when you get back and training camp the first couple reps you do, oh, fuck, I got. Like, hey, am I ever going to be the same? Like, what happened? Like, you know, you do a kick set and then the guy hits you on a bull rush and there's a quick move off. It's like, oh, I had too much weight forward. Or the guy, bull rushed you and you're on your heels,

and then your fucking backpins, like, okay, too much my way back. When you go look at the film, it takes a little bit to get, like, that proper weight distribution. I just remember like, I'm like, oh, yeah, this guy. I remember that. And you brought up a good point, too, of, like, when you get in a training camp and there's that, is that rust, when you're in your first couple years, you're literally thinking

yourself, oh, no, I can't do this. And then as you get older, you're like, then you start to realize that the little tiny details you're not doing correctly, and you can kind of fix those. Like, okay, tomorrow's going to be better. Make sure you don't do X, Y, and C. Just focus on, like, those two little things. Yeah. I appreciate you saying that.

That was a tough time. It was definitely a tough time. It was an angry time. Not so angry anymore. You got off your chest now, so. I got it off my chest. But I do, like, all that, all this conversation is, is JC being on this bus would be awesome to have him on,

and it'd probably be very beneficial for me as well. Yeah. And I think it'd be good for him to be on just because, you know, you get clips from it. There's NFL guys that see stuff on our brand and things like that. And you can kind of get it out there. Yeah, getting JC out there, honestly, would be really good. Because JC's, like I said, I, I'd wholly trust him until proven otherwise at this point.

And so far he's like last thing I was talking to him. He's working up something that's going to, I think, come on the next week or two. And I'm like, this is what I'm fucking talking about. Yeah. Like, this is what I want a PA president. Like you don't even know. And then I, like, I call him for something else. And then he's like, oh, yeah, I got this thing coming out next week.

I'm like, that's the fuck I'm talking about. In J.C. That's why I like the grades. Like, the grade thing, it put people on notice. Granted, do I think some, some guys may have just been like, oh, yeah, I thought I was just get through this thing. And then other people were trying to grade as it was. But it put people on notice. and then also gave, put the organization and the people within the organization that have their jobs that are like kind of, like you say, cut the weeds a little bit in organizations. They kind of put them on notice. But also then I think it gave some of the players power. Like you said, when you go in the trainer, I'm like, oh, you're just going to take care of the big name guys and then take the guys, oh, you know, I've heard a trainer. I'm not going to say who. And I'm not going to say if he's there or not anymore. But I've heard him say like, oh, like, why do you need me do this? You're going to be gone in a couple weeks.

Like, they're face. Fuck yeah. Wow. I'm like, that's, that's fucked up. But now it's nice to hear,

like, hear and see like, yo, you can say that. I'm not saying you can't. But for every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction now. And we're starting to see,

hey, we have our equal and opposite reaction. It's going to be a grade that's going to come out. And that person you said it to, they're going to probably think about that when they put that graded in. Yeah.

And whether or not, there's a lot of gray in all the grades or not, it was such a moment when it was all coming out players are kind of speaking on it, that next year it'll be that much better. That's what I'm saying.

Like, guys are probably going to care a little more, and the next thing you know, it's going to be a super, like, dialed in, like, it's a, it's the first iteration of it. Like, yeah. Like, anytime it's the beginning. And, too, like, there's front office people and ownership

and leadership groups in the organizations that probably do care, and that just helps give them perspective to move the product forward because ultimately, you're paying all your dollars to these individual contractors, players that are going to make your product on the field.

You want to give them as many resources as possible. It's like, you know, if they don't like this training room or this facility or this, you know, staff member, they're able to like make an adjustment. Well, think about what like a, like, let's, I'll just use a strength coach. Like I do, I love our strength coach. That's why I'm going to use, uh, them as an example. Like they could be like, oh, we got the best program.

We have the best facility. These guys love them to do it. And again, who's reporting that to the person in control of, you know, employing those people for their job and making sure that that that room has the equipment necessary for. for their players. So are they going to curate it more for them? There's definitely a bias in that. So then they're like, oh no, we're good because the source I'm getting it from is telling me so.

Well, now you have a second dairy avenue. It's like, well, he's telling me it's good. He's telling me it's shit. And the players are saying it's shit and they have a terrible grid on it. Now it may make that person think more. And that's, that is the first greatest step you can do is make them actually think. It's like, maybe

they are trying, maybe they are lying. Maybe this isn't the best source I'm getting from. Maybe, you know, like in the trainer, I'm like, oh, we have the best rehab stuff. this is exactly what we need. The guys keep getting hurt. Now the Curitin says, but now the player is saying like, this fucking sucks.

So now I think it just falls to question more. And I love that because with, you know, anytime there's anything that oppose each other, like the cream always rises to the top. Like when you have a battle, it's going to raise the standard of room. And that's, I love that about that situation.

And it opens a dialogue. And that's what I love that. It's interesting to see growth mindset between the NFL and college programs. Because we've had the opportunity to go to a lot of different college programs. Yeah, you haven't been traveling. Yeah, we've been moving, brother. The facilities in college, way nicer.

Like, day and night, nicer. Okay, can you, can you tell me, like, what they look like now? Like, I didn't have a great, like, Colorado wasn't, like, the top five, like, from a facility standpoint. But, like, what, like, what do they, what do they have now? It doesn't. I let you know. I'm going back to the spring game, but, like, I've heard they have some nice thing.

When is this free game? The 20. Oh, that's late. That's not late. Yeah, I felt, yeah. We'll be out there. This episode comes out Tuesday. We'll be out there Wednesday.

You guys don't want to go out there on April 20th? No, we do all. We do. Thank you. I'm waiting for them to kind of get $4.20? No. Yeah, that does. I forgot about that.

Sounds like a good time. Yeah. But we do all of our travel, like on Wednesday, get back Thursday. So that way we're gone in the week. I mean, you know with a kid. Like, you're trying to structure it to where you're home on the weekends. And even 420, that's my man's anniversary. So they'll be going on a little trip.

You got Meritam 420? Yeah, because we, literally because we thought that was funny. What a sneeze, dude. Hell yeah, dude. You're noticing the game right now. This right here, yeah, we were just at LSU this past week. Oh, man. Facilities are stupid, dude.

They have, like, doors you walk up to and they just slide open. Their locker room. They have, like, lay down locker rooms. Insane, bro. You walk in, they have all the trophies, and you go off to the left, and the doors open. Or you have magically, like, Star Wars. as you go lay down these chairs,

they put these like hype videos up for you to watch for recruits. They do. They're a top of the line facility. Look at that locker room. Yeah, it's incredible. Those look like first class seats and like one of like the biggest like.

Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like. And like an air, like one of those nice airplanes. But you go in, you go in, there's literally a guy in the corner. His, his office is just filled with bats.

He started, um, Marucci bats. You could tell the dude is an analytics data guy. He's talking about analytics, how guys, like what we're looking for is like you look at all the top guys and what they all possess what's a common denominator with them and that's who they're looking for like they are just fucking dialed in over there ahead of the game we talked to brian kelly brian kelly had it only could only do 15 minutes

because he had to go and go the sports science thing because they're trying to make sure their guys are like on like doing all their shit the right way it's really really incredible and the cool and the cool thing about coach kelly which is the best part of it he's like you know the sports science thing like it's a good vessel and it's a good tool for everybody it's not the end-all be-all but he's It's important to have these meetings. So everybody in all these different departments are speaking the same language. It's not the training room's doing their own thing, the weight room's doing their own thing. Some of the strength coaches might have ways for you to rehab versus the training room or any of the mental coaches that they have.

And it's compensate to bring them on board. He wants everybody speaking the same language. So that way there's no discrepancies in the product, which I think is, that's the best part of it. That's what that's a lot of something that happens with us in the NFL. and probably a lot of colleges too. No, dude. I think so many people think the NFL is like the pinnacle,

the cream of the crop that they have everything like done to a tea. Like sometimes it's a there, it's like chickens with their head cut off running around. I don't think people understand that from an organization's standpoint. There's times even on the football field, like at least for me. Like I've been in a situation where like I've really seen Aaron drop like backyard plays. I'm like this in the most pinnacle one where people are like,

oh, this is where you go to your go to play. Aaron will be like, hey man, like what do you like run against that guy? Okay, you do that, do this. And then next thing, you know, like, everyone's left and, like, we're lying and staying there. We got, like, probably 12 seconds on the clock because Aaron loves burning every fucking second of the game clock. And we're like, so what kind of protection you want, dude? Just, I don't know, like, like, two jet or something. Just like, go, go.

Hey, Jesus. Two jets. Nice to hear over and reach it. Yeah. It's money. And I'll take that any day. But, like, I'm looking at this too and going back to these facilities, I'm like, the first thing I'm thinking about for all these guys coming in the league, I'm like, boy, you about to be disappointed. Bro, you are not lying.

You think it's great? Like, here's a, here's a check. And then there's a wooden locker with no pad. Yeah, we'll see you later. At least that's what I've only been pre. When we went to, when we went to Michigan, we sat down with Coach Herb,

who's like the strength coach there. And we're like, hey, what's your program about? And he literally brought up this chart. Insane, bro. He's like, we look at everybody's deficiencies. And like,

then you'd have like color systems to rate it. He'd have number systems and all this stuff. He really sat with us for 30 minutes and broke everything down for us. And we walked away. In a way where we're like, yo, we want to put, you want to. Like if I would have been like, man, I should have trained here.

Like he really is just putting shit together. Yeah, man. Now let me ask this. I'm going to play devil Zafka. Is it awesome from an outsider's perspective, seeing like, oh, I love the level of care. But then it gets to a point of like, yo, I'm, you know, we're in our 30s now. Like, I'm 30 plus stop micromanaging me. I know how to deal with myself.

Like, would that also play into how it's like, dude, leave me alone type thing? I know what I'm supposed to. I think it depends on what your goals are. Yeah. It depends on the mindset. For me personally, for me personally, I want to find somebody. that I completely trust and be like, all right, run the show. Just tell me what to do and I'm going to do it as hard as I can.

Now, that's a fucking line that you want to have. Dude, that's the shit I, like, I really want. Just, I'm going to tell you exactly what to do. Go fucking do it. Yeah, especially when it comes to like weight training and stuff. I do not like writing my own programs. I don't like looking at my sheet. What do I have to do now?

I want somebody right next to me, being like three sets of eighth here. Then you go right here, right there. And you just fucking rip. That is like what I'm all about in that situation. As far as like micromanaging, like, it'll show somebody's intelligence, whether they're working with a 21-year-old or a 31-year-old. Because if you have the same program for both those people, you're probably doing something wrong.

Because the load on a 21-year-old is going to be way different than if you've got a lot of tread taking off the tires. Especially if you're doing the same movement too. Yeah, same movement, all that. But, dude, his focus on mobility, flexibility and, like, poor strength and all that was really fucking con notch. Those are the details that, like, we were more so wowed about. Not necessarily whether, like, here's your day.

Like, you're going to be here. I'm like, no. Well, you know, not the weight training part. All the stuff with imbalances and like measuring you, your range of motion everywhere in all these spots of your hip capsule and everything else to where your degree might be very short, right? Yeah. And there's not like, hey, you're deficient in this. We should probably work on that.

It's like you're deficient in this and these are the things you need to do to fix it. Yeah. You feel like sometimes like in your experience in the NFL, it's like they're just, they do it. But it's more like we're just going to check the box like with the FMS test. You know, like those little things that you've gotten like we talk about getting a, like a barometer of like, okay, let's see like where you're, you know, your rear foot valgus, various, whatever the hell they want to find out, like in your foot, your ankle to your knee. Like, there's kind of checking box back, well, what are you really doing with it?

And I find myself, I guess like I'm going to my 11th year now. I'm like, I hate wasting my time. Yeah. And there's now, I've done Groundhog Day for 11 years now. I'm like, been through the same hoopla and banter. And like, I keep seeing refining. We keep doing the same thing, expecting a different result. Like one that's insanity.

too I'm like you're now wasting my fucking time. And we talk, we all got kids. Like, you can shave off about two hours. I mean, if we really want to take you, about three hours of my day, I can get home. Right. And I could have my serotonin, my chakras all line at all time hiding with my family. And then I come to work, fucking ready to get after. I'm about efficiency.

That's the thing I just, like hearing this thing and talking about getting all these barometers and being super efficient and using it as compared to like, what I see the league? I'm like, man, this is just, what are we doing? you sound like you'd be doing some Iowa walks go there and using all those words shock waves and all that no shockers and jean some of those things i think when a team's trying to collect it they're just trying to get like quantitative data like they're trying to they're checking the boxes but they're trying to overall see the big pictures they're not necessarily as focus like what are you doing with it like you can you can gather all the information you want but what are you doing with it right and if you're

just gathering to check a box or like oh because you heard this like well do you even know how to use this information because if you don't now you just wasted it like both our time but like again for them like they got to be there anyways like the people work there yeah i think a big congress of college and NFL is college they got those guys 365 all the time you can work on all that stuff and kind of work through it. I think in the NFL when you look at the weightlifting programs in the training room, their main goal is to get you to Sunday. So if you're in the weight room, it's not going to be like, hey, we're going to try these different movements. Like, we need to hit these meat potatoes because we only know we'll have you

for only an hour between this time and that time before you have to go to meetings and all that. They want to check some boxes rather than, and saying make you better is a tough one because it makes it look bad for them. But really it's like, we need to make sure these guys keep their strength, stay ahead of the sticks as much as we can for as amount of time we have with them. And then being healthy and hitting the meat and potatoes is like, so if that's what you have, especially we don't have school to work around. It's like, all right. Yo, for me, like, you're not going to load my backup.

Like a standard, like, I can't tell you the last time I put a heavy bar like on my upper neck and then squat. That is not how I roll. But like we're going to eat potatoes. We're all going to do that. Like, what? Like, no. But it's like there's so many different like machines and ways to go around it. Right.

That's, that's, that's what I'm like, I don't know, man. Sometimes it's just, that's the way we've always done it. That's what we're going to do it. Yeah. Right, I get a tough thing to hear. Oh, dude, I get very, very annoyed. This has been an incredible podcast. Yeah, this has been a very good podcast.

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Okay, here's the question before you can get to that. Because we have talking about teeth and fresh smiles. What's up, brother? Yeah. You didn't even fucking talk about it. What's up, dude? You shot like a video and I was like, oh, look at, look at here. You got a new friend of the teeth.

Didn't even want to recognize it. And then eventually did. I'm like, there it is. But why do you even brush your teeth? You have fake teeth. That's a good point. I stop. No, there's no.

Oh, really? They can. Oh, yeah. Things can get rolling now. Do you have to get your teeth cleaned? Or do you even call it teeth cleaning now? What do you mean? Because they're not real teeth?

You floss. You just call it like a loss now. Is it kind of like going like an auto body shop getting like the, yeah, tuna? You have like an oil change for the teeth. I just love shit talking. You know why I haven't been to the dentist since I got my teeth put in. I can tell. Which is why.

One thing I noticed with these pieces is the food gets caught in it way more. Why? I'm just curious. we know why. It's great, dude. You got fucking money, dude. That's what I'm saying. Fuck yeah.

Trust me. I've been there. But I'm generally curious. Like, No homo, like, I thought you had plenty fine teeth. I'm just kind of curious. Like, it was just like a person?

Like, you know what? This is how I fucking like them. I want them pearly wise. Because I see a bunch of my teammates come in and they smile. That was a reason. So if that's what it is, I'm cool.

I respect. I just didn't, I didn't want to assume. I wanted to ask you directly. I'm like, what's the reason? That's a good question. there's really like not a massive reason there wasn't I didn't have the Colorado

facilities I like when Will Goddam I was like damn those things look really fucking Colorado's catching strays right now and I was yeah we'll be there hey listen for those you watch we'll be there tomorrow um I don't know when Will Godam I liked them a lot and then I see these dudes coming in all the time and I'm I really thought to myself why not I just do them straight white they look good so I'm just gonna get it done I definitely don't hate it now don't they have to like shave them down in nubs though no it depends if you have to do like, I don't know what the right word. It's invasive or non-invasive.

And my teeth were like on the smaller end. Yeah. That boy had them chicklets. Yeah. He had them a little bit. That's why I'm out. But mine, mine they like just shaved a little bit and then my real teeth are still there.

They just put like stuff on it. And then. See, that's what I'm scared about. Like, I don't want them. But you got nice teeth. I don't have great teeth. I got, well, let me smile.

Like they're not. Good. They're fine. They're fine. They're fine. But like, I just, I don't know.

Like, yeah, I never had braces. Yeah, I never had braces, but I got this like a little alligator tooth kind of hanging low. Like, yeah. I've thought about it. I'm like, nah, dude, like I'm not gonna. Yeah, but that's you thinking about more than anybody. Like, I see what you're saying, but I don't think like all his teeth is fucked up. And that's my part of that.

I don't think I'll ever get like fake teeth. But I was just kind of curious. Like, I know certain guys I'm like, yo, you need some fucking fake teeth. Like my boy Elton Jenkins, like, I was like, that's, I'm so happy as the first thing you did. Because then I'm fucking bitches. When he came in, I called him like a pencil sharpener mouth. His shit was fucked up. Yeah.

And he also had all the pencil sharpener shaving is in there. This motherfucker never clean his teeth. Oh, look. I want to say to the guy, Lee, I'm so happy he did. Yeah. He's going to be pissed me. I'm saying this. Yeah.

He's got great teeth now. He's like showing it off. I'm like, good for you. Like you deserve. Then there's other guys. I'm like, you use an example. I'm like, dude, your teeth were great. Like I don't, I really had to, no homie.

I, like, started stalking and went back to like when you didn't have teeth. Yeah. You don't got to say that here. We're, we're a pro homo here. Okay. Well, but like, I was like, yeah, I didn't never saw anything wrong with his teeth. Like, I always thought there was like got to be like a legit reason. Like guys either got too small teeth.

They don't have like the gum. Yeah. Ratio or they got fucking Colorado facility like OG Colorado facility going on. No, that's it. That is a thing where it's like I wish I had a good reason to do it. But at the end of the day just wanted to get. You're going to get like ass implants or like calf implants there? I'm about doing my ass a little bit.

But I've been doing a lot of RDLs lately. Do Ardials get glutes? Yeah. They do? I guess I don't do them good enough. RDL. I've been back squatting too. I saw you don't do backspot.

Backspot's like the number one thing, I feel like. But hang on, hang on. I feel like you were like that at one point in time. When we train with Dobson and stuff, you were not ever about putting anything on your spine. Yes, you're right. Yeah, I feel like, it was never because. No, no, I'm just saying he had that.

I feel like you just recently started to put on the back. Which I agree. The safety bar lunges. Yeah. And stuff like that. Yeah. Hold the bar. Yeah.

Hold the bar. Doing the bar. So I'll do the bear squat. I just won't put a bar on my back probably more than 22. If it's going to go above that, you're going to put the little, the one that disperses the weight because there's no point to put that on my spine. Every time I did it and then I realize, like, why is my back you getting thrown out or getting fucked up?

I'm not about this. You know what, dude? The reason why I stopped putting weight on my back is I would see the older guys, not putting weight on their back and they'd always have back issues. And they would always say it's because I did back squat. It's not good for you, all this stuff. So I kind of bought into that. But Ryan suck up, the kicker for Tampa Bay, he was at the Titans for a long time.

Always had knee pain. Always had knee pain. He's always flying somewhere. Yeah, he was flying somewhere getting, what was that stuff called? Regenicane. Regenicane, yes. You would always get that. He's like, yeah, I'd feel good than a couple months later.

And I thought he was going to be done. I would talk to him at the Titans. He'd be like, yeah, I probably got one knee or maybe. It was like a year-to-year thing. He's working out the same place I'm doing rehab. I asked him, was like, hey, what happened? What happened? Like, does your knee feel good now?

He's like, my knee feels fantastic. What's the biggest difference? He's like, I started back squatting. And I never had back pain or anything like that. I've never been a back pain. I've had a couple flare-ups here and there, but I've never had like back issues. So I was like, let me just do this. And it's good for like, you know, when you start doing it?

I legit, well, after this second ACL, you start a back is when like, yeah, once I was able to start loading, well, I would put weight on my back. And I did like, you know, 275 or 10 the other day. And I have no back pain or nothing. And it's like, it helps a lot. It really does. So, I don't know, something to think about. But I, is it your back thrown out?

Is it the load? Is it the load? the load or just the sheer, because like, I'm not against loading. So much comes in. The actual just old OG bar going on my upper neck and loading that thing super heavy. Like, I'll up 225 is probably the most. Yeah, you could probably, you do a safety bar squat. Yeah, I can do that.

I'll load that thing up like four or five, you know, it doesn't matter. I'll get that thing up high. But I just like it because it's not strictly on my spying going straight down the force. Like that I just don't play with it. The thing that squats do that a lot of those other alternate movements don't do is like works your entire body. like it's quads, it's your glutes, it's your core, it's strengthening your back as well.

It's like, it's so many things. Now when you get on a pitch shark and you put the belt around your waist, you're still working your quads, but now you're missing, you're missing the core, you're missing the back. You're not getting as much. What about bear squat then? What's a bear squat? The one that goes over your shoulders.

You ever been that thing? Safety bar squat? Kind of, you know, the one that like you can like load weight up on? Just here. And you, like, you stand up on it and like you pop that thing, drop it down, then you just do some squats and the weights going over your shoulders. And then you have like the, Oh, I think you're talking about where you stand like

it's like, it comes across like this, goes across your neck. And you hold you hold it like right here or you can put your hands in front. Go up, go up. I think I just saw it. This right here. Yeah, exactly. The Kaiser machine. Yeah, the Kaiser machine.

Yeah. So the Kaiser machine is great and it's air. So like you get. Okay, but there's, there's one that actual weight. Like that one has weight. That one has weight. Like, I've used that. I've used the weight one.

Any type of machine workout you're doing. Okay, good. I wasn't. It's, uh, it's isolated. So if you're doing like a bench press on a machine where the plates are on the side and you're holding it, you're taking out the stability you would use in your shoulders. The same thing with this would go is you're now taking out the core aspect of it as much because you don't have to stabilize when you walk a squat right back. Because it's a fixed. Okay.

Because it's a fixed movement. If we do safety bar squat and normal back squat, now we're playing the same game. Yeah, you're playing a similar game. You're not necessarily playing the same game because the safety bar squat, it still comes over and it's more stable. is that point of like when you're getting down, you have to ignite everything in here, go up and down, you know? And I'm, I mean, I am sticking out a turn a little bit because I'm not a professional. I don't know this stuff professionally.

It's what I've, I think you take your time. Hold and noticed. Yeah, I think bar on the back squat. It's kind of like the similar of like going to a front squad. It just kind of changes where the load's going to be on. Right. Yeah. Right.

Like, your front squat's always more. Like, that's a big time cool. Do you guys like the load more on your back or your front? Right now for me, my front. Hey, my front. I didn't see it. I'm up for both, brother. How much time you got, buddy?

Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, that was. Mine's more front right now because I have, I have some low back. Yeah, Will's got a little S-I deal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever followed knees over toes?

I follow his account, yeah. I started doing it when I heard that Sequin, he said he felt really good from that. I asked him. And then he's like, yeah, I did that thing. And that's what, like, put me over, like, put me back to where I was. All right. So then he's slowly. lowly like the base of the progression

I'm jaded about like sign up for stuff though so like I just kind of look at you know to sign up for there's some good news he wants to come on the bus so I think he's going to come down a visit for a couple days of that yeah I think we're doing some workouts with him you should come I would love that yeah that'd be cool I think it is in his you know progression I'm gonna be pissed if you guys don't invite

you're yeah no yeah definitely we will hold on when though I don't know I we always still gotta figure out I'm a little bitch I gotta go back to ROTA that's right we'll make sure it's in the summer yeah we can do that unless it comes in during OTA and we don't have a choice.

Yeah. Do you ever come during the weekends? Dude, I mean, name your day. Name your day. I'm coming. Yeah. Hey.

Oh, I'm going to come. Hold on. That was actually being searched. Don't you dare come. I'm going to come. I thought you're trying to send me up. Oh, no.

Are you talking about the, he's a June 27th at that too? Are you doing the Kamala Harris? Wasn't that Hillary? Or was it? Oh, it was Kamala. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't you dare come. Don't you dare come. I'm going to come. I said, okay, so I saw another good meme that's that. And it's like, TJ beats be going crazy. And they kept building that being, don't you dare come.

Don't you get building up. And then all of a sudden, before it drops, you see Donald Trump and go, I'm going to come. And then bam. Yeah, I've seen that same video.

Ah, that's funny. Man. Yeah. That's good. Back squat. Yeah, what I was saying is his progression

is he ultimately not get you into back squatting, but there's so many stages that he has to where you're kind of like taking care of your body as you're progressing to like a back squat or anything. I've been falling like some of things like for, I don't know,

to be, to be Alice. Yeah. I've been doing a bunch of those and now more I've been, I look at his like lunch thing and then like he tells, says progressions I get to when I guess is like pain free.

I've been walking backwards a shit ton just like, he probably getting access. He probably give you access to all of it. Yeah. He is, he definitely seems extremely innovative. Yeah. But I'm anxious to hear what he has to say about this because I was

talking to some PT people, third party PT people and they're like, that stuff's not good for athletes. It should be just training where they're at. Like, if you're in, a stance, you shouldn't go below 90 degrees. I didn't ask too many more questions because I really didn't.

Who told you that? I'm not going to say. I think there's a... I'm not going to say because I have a lot of respect for them. Yeah. I think there's places in the programming to where when you get closer to training for sport, you get more of any sports specific stance. But I think when you get in the first part of the off season, like the first 16 weeks

are going up into OTAs is a time to work on your range of motion, your mobility, like, finding big ranges to work in because you can get a guy who is more sports. specific and they never go below there and they have whatever on the back. Let's just use back squat. And when you narrow their stance or make them go lower, they'll more so crumble because they're not built. They don't have the stability to go down that low. Now if you take somebody who's been developing more of a more of a narrow sports specific stance that goes as to grass, once you get more into we're not going below 90, you get maybe a little bit wider stance and everything else, their numbers are going to flourish because they've been built from the foundation to to build out

like the range of motion. Really well said. I think both of you guys are actually right. because think about it, like what makes sense on a simple equation, you strengthen where you're going to be working, you protect yourself, and you are stronger, so you don't put yourself in a compromise position. Go your way.

And I believe it's too, is football is a very chaotic sport. You're going to be, at some point, caught. Right. In a fucking compromised spot. So don't let the first time be when you're caught and you don't know how much force, because then it's like the variability goes into play.

You don't know how much force there. So then it comes. into that, which that's how I've also trained, too, is, like, getting the spots you're a little uncomfortable and strengthen those areas for the chance, too. So then you own where you are strong, and then when you're not, at least you have the reaction, the reaction point. The same thing, like, neurologically, there's a couple times, like, I'll always end that I was told, like, always end when you're fatigued, doing a bunch of stability stuff, because

when you're unstable, that's one thing, like, that's where bad things can occur. Yeah, yeah. Then neurologically and also, like, getting that last little bit of a conditioning in the muscle, like how can it perform once it's so fatigue. Can you still lock it in and be stable? Yeah. I was going to say when we were doing that triphazic stuff too, that one summer when we were at Vandy and you're doing more,

you know, eccentric for the first few weeks than the isometric for the second part of the program. And then in the third part, it was concentric. And then like peaking going up to the training camp was more of like being in all those very sports specific for those last few weeks just to create more force. Dobson is really, really good. That was actually Rex, right?

Who wrote this program? Yeah, Rex is kind of the genius. behind of the programming. Dob is just, you know, Dobb's just the boy. Dob knows his shit, but Rex is like the mad little scientist behind. Studying a lot of the Nordic hamstring.

I love anytime you're a mad scientist or like anytime you're trying to think around the corner that comes to health, performance, like I actually gravitate more truth. Yeah. Because like what you're already done, like, yeah, that's good for now,

but like I'm trying to be... What's next? Yeah, I'm trying to always like get better. And you know the way that they think? They adapt and they're thinking. Like maybe something's not, working at that moment. You know they're going to go into their little lab and try to figure something out to make you to help. Maybe it's an alternative that you don't want to say you don't want to load

your back. All right. He doesn't want to work in this capacity. Like, let's find alternatives. You know they're going to adapt in their things. Let me just ask this. Like, do you want a doctor that graduated in fucking 1982 that looked the 82 textbook and now is like cutting you up? And it's like, well, that's what I knew. And he was a stud then. But I'm like, look how much like how much more information and how much better technology has gotten the last, what is that? talking almost 40 years. Yeah. So would you still want to rely on that guy or like the new upcoming dude who's like,

oh, we learned that this is the better way to go about it. And this is like, I would be like, okay, I don't want like the fresh guy. Like, hey, this is my first time doing it.

And I spread from this. But like sweet spot. Yeah, there's that sweet spot. Maybe that old guy if he's adapted his thinking and got with the times versus strictly being. Neil Elitrash. He's,

Hey, yeah. That's a, dude, that is my guy. Dude, I fucking love Elatrosh. He,

he's, he's a stud. Like, he's got like that just like it and I was like pissed because when I first met I when I finally met I'm like damn. Should I met you earlier. You are like, you are the first time. I got that.

I did my guy in Green Bay, Pat McKenzie and he's awesome and I don't discredit anything from what like this isn't me alluding to any of this like up and downs of my injury because of him. He was awesome. But I know like after sitting with Neil, damn like yo, you're tight. I was a little like wary because like I just didn't know. but like now that you know, again, you live and you learn, I'm like, you know, Neil's,

he's got, he's had that swag about him. He does, man, he's got that swag. He's got that look. I've said it before. Like, he looks like he's gotten a little bit of work done, but it's a classy amount. He's got a calm confidence about him. Dude, when he talked to him, he doesn't react, talk to you.

He digest it for a second, and then it comes in with something that blows you away. Very smart, extremely confident, but a great dude. I'm a huge, I cannot say enough good things about that. That's how I totally am with him, too, And that's where I like, after I was like, yo, he fucks. Yeah.

Definitely fuck. You guys make me want to just go get random knee surgery by Lerjahs. He didn't have to be knee. He didn't have to be knee. Just as in general. Yeah. Tommy Jons, he does it all. Fuck it.

Fix everything. Yeah. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, like. Yeah. He's the fucking top dog, man. He really is the best in the game. No, so all the stuff that you've, everyone has heard about him.

But he's like that. He's like that where he's like always thinking towards the future and what to do. Did you, did you do surgery with him? Yeah. And this past one. Yeah. So did you not see like when you sign one of the forms? It's like, hey, I'm going to be using some of the things I've learned.

Yeah. My own proprietary way. You're agreeing that you're okay with me doing some of these ways that he's learned from like, hey, after doing so much, like, I'm just going to perfect this. Right. I can do what the old thing was. Like, so like, I really like, I respect like people that that do that. So like. Notice a massive difference.

He's been. There you go. All time, dude. He really is. I'm glad we're giving him plug. Neal's, Neil's stud. Yeah. Got that the boy, man.

He's fucking awesome. He's fucking awesome. His whole crew is awesome, too. People he works with, like, the rehab people out there, too. They're great. Awesome. Awesome, ma'am. Yeah.

It's a good little. The only thing is that he's in L.A. That's the only thing. I'm like, God. I know. But it is nice to visit L.A. because you get to the weather. Great food.

You're such a warm weather guy. I can't, like, it's still kind of like. It does frustrate me a little bit because I'm like, this, again, I haven't been here for yet. And we're getting back to like, okay, I'm here. But like, it's not that bad. And I remember talking, you're like, oh, yeah, like, got to be something. like, you know, I know you're from Arizona.

Yeah. I'm like, dude, first of all, fuck Arizona. That heat, no fucking way, dude. You could have said it differently. You could have said it that differently. I feel the same way. I remember I went, like, so Daniel, Munner lives out there and I remember I went like.

Fucking boy, Dan, by the way. That's it. I know that's your guy. Yeah. Yeah, I got anything again, when you're like in like my really close, I got it's like, OG, OG guy. I remember going to visit me and it was in summer. I was like, fuck this.

I got a bachelor party. I got to go out there in June and I'm dreading it. That's on your friend for going out there in June. Like, listen, you made enough money. You go out to Arizona. These are October to April. I told you. I got, like, a couple guys, OG that these are like childhood friends.

I'm talking about your money. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about you. Like, they ain't no reason to be in Arizona between the months of late May to October. Ain't got to do it. Shouldn't do it. You're a bad person if you do to do it. If you go late October to probably around right now, it's the best weather ever.

Suns out every single day. people are driving nice vehicles because they can because there's no rusting going on there because it's a dry climate you don't have a bunch of sea salt coming in there's no salt in the road from the winter having a great time there's great events out there you got spring training fun fucking times you want to go in the mountains brother drive an hour and a half north you get four seasons up there you got sit here and let you just few mexico in arizona get the fuck pull up how many times you've been how many times you've been how much How many times you've been?

A dozen? Are you going to go? So you're saying like skiing. My mom dated a firefighter up in Payson. There you used to go up there all time. All right. But I, you're telling me like,

hey, ski season, I'm going to go to flex. People go up there. Look up their weather right now. Instead of like, huh, you know,

like maybe go to like, it's probably warm right now. Maybe, yeah, maybe go to the Rockies. 51 degrees. Look it, look it up and,

look it up in, in January, February. I'm just saying like, I think, just go with the weather. I think it's fantastic. I love it.

I mean, I don't think it's terrible. A lot of the boys would disagree. Flagstaff. I don't know. Again, I'm comparing to Green Bay. Like,

I know shit weather. You want to kind of see shit weather? You come hang out there for. Yeah, dude. I mean, that's also, you could have probably

the best trading program in the world in Green Bay. People still aren't going to stay there. No disrespect to people in Green Bay. The people you do it there, you guys are built different. But I'm not. Taylor's pro-Azy.

No, I know. I remember. I'm a pro sunshine guy than I am pro-Azy. I don't feel like it's that lack of sun here, though. For me. See, we got some of the boys, they get like season of depression. You guys do?

Do you guys think this is bad? They buy the stock there. Mike, Mike. The weather's not bad, but it's just gray all the time in the winter. Oh, yes. No sun. And you want a perfect example? Right now.

Look outside. Okay, go look at the weather for Sunday to Thursday next week. So you're telling me these three days, like, that's it. I got to move. I can't do full time. It's April now. What are we talking about? Okay, when I first got here in January.

It wasn't that bad. What are you talking about? Yes, it was. Oh, my God. I'm with you. I will take, I will take gray. It's not always gray here. I will take gray over like one tank.

I'm talking about the winter season. We experience every season to the fullest degree here. We can get snow. We can get heat. We get humidity. You don't experience fall and spring. You get three weeks of both of those. Oh, brother.

No, no, no, my God. No spring. Three weeks are amazing. But you don't get a full experience. Grab it. Grab it. Grab it. Grab the emotion. No fall here. No, you get fall here.

I'm saying you, but you don't get the full experience of all those. No, I disagree because I saw, I've seen photos and my wife who came out of here. Green Bay. No, I'm not, I'm saying Green Bay, like, their, like, fall is gorgeous. The worst thing about it is that when the leaves turn, it drops so quick. Here, they at least stay for, like, double the amount of time. Like, talking six to eight weeks, you get this color. This color is beautiful.

Yeah, it's not six to eight weeks. Ah. You get a good fall out here. Yeah, it's definitely longer. That shit starts dropping in October by the end of November. That's eight weeks. That would be eight weeks. That's exactly what I'm saying.

I would fucking love it. Oh, yes. I'll take that. That's what I'm saying. Like Green Bay, it's literally like, it's like maybe a long. Because it gets so cold so quick, it falls. Here's what I don't like. Here's what I don't like.

Why are we even talking about Green Bay? We're talking about nice, nice shit. Look, man, because I have fun to be there. I fucking, I fucking, I love. I just did it. Yeah, I love. Yeah. I love, man.

I fucking love, I love Nashville. It is dope. If there is a negative of Nashville, it's the weather. Point blank. It's not that sunny. It rains a lot. And listen, when it's sunny, it's phenomenal. Those couple Saturdays we had at the pool, you ain't beating that.

There's like 70 degrees, sun's outside. If you go to your Twitter in the last month, like half your tweets are like, weather's phenomenal in Nashville. Dude, tell me I'm wrong, though. Last week, it was great. This week, ass. Rollercoaster.

Wait before that. Roller coaster. Wait before that. Great. I love this. I love this. And now we have this. Next week,

amazing. It's going to be fucking amazing next week. I feel like I'm part of the PA right now. Like the way you're getting mad. Like I feel like you're young. I'm like I'm going to say. I got a fucking homer right here. Brother,

you literally said when we're in Arizona, if you could live here in the wintertime, you would. Yeah. If I didn't have to pay for anything, if everything was perfect in this world. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

It doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that Tennessee is bad just because you want to live in Arizona. rips at that time. The time you're going, brother, your friends fucked up. So I'll say this. Desert ain't that sweet all the time. I'm not saying Arizona is bad at all. I do agree

there are some good times. Overall, when I'm like, and this is, this came. Like, I legit asked my wife Frank. I was like, yo, like, do you want to go live in Arizona? We were just trying to find a place to live. And Arizona came up. And we looked, I had studied like, the weather reports of how it was going to be on the seasonal. Because I'm like, anyone can live somewhere when it's nice. But what happens when

the shit hits? Like, when you get the shitty weather? Yeah. And then that's what kind of started like drawing me here. I'm like, this ain't that bad. Like, you don't have like that those low of lows. Like the tornado thing,

like that's the only thing that kind of freaks me out being a California guy, which I'm sure if I talk earthquakes, you'd like, what the fuck? But I'll say like, I was in California. California stays like the pinnacle of weather. But.

Probably St. Lucas is the legal weather. I mean, you start throwing all the other stuff. Yeah, exactly taxes. I can lie to people. You can find your little clicks of like good people. But overall, like I can,

I say California, especially Southern California is like, when you're prom king and Prom Queen. You get a ticket, one-way ticket to California. Everyone thinks that this is their road. It's their, like, they have the ride away. They get to go through the door. No one says please. It's just so hard to like, it pisses me off. Like, come here. Like, someone just holds it open for me. That's so, like, I'm not asking you to hold open nor do it, but if my hands are full, they're at least acknowledging that and doing that and saying please and thank you. Yes or no,

sir. Like, I give me a little bit of rain. Like, I'm cool with that. Because it be like in L.A., yeah, I get great weather, but come summertime, too, that shit kind of sucks. I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of super hot weather. I was also living in the valley. And it's kind of deserty. It's hot. But I do know Arizona, like, that's a different type of heat. It's hot. It's hot. It's like the south. Again, I'm sure, like, there's two months here. I haven't experienced

summer yet, but I'm sure that the swamp summer is fucking tough, right? You get some slump. Is it that bad? Like, I don't know. I have no content. It's like anywhere you've been where it gets humid. Yeah. And I'm not. Is it Missouri humidity, though? Because I've dealt with some like terrible Missouri humidity. I've also seen like Florida. It's similar to Missouri. Yeah. Yeah. There's a

There's a couple weeks in the summertime. We're like, hey, this is pretty tough to deal with. Bugs and shit. Compared to Arizona. Bugs are bad, too. Like Arizona, like summer heat versus like Tennessee or Nashville. It's a totally different heat. Which one's worse?

I think there's pros and cons to both. I think when you're talking strictly weather, just the weather, Arizona is worse. You bring in, and this is, and the longevity of the heat is worse. Now, the thing that would bring Nashville up to the worst category is when you add in the bugs and all that. How bad are the bugs? It gets fucking pretty bad. It's pretty bad. It ain't like that.

But it's like, it's kind of annoying. It's annoying. Like, you always have some sort of prey out. Bad. They're out here. I got succulent blood. I know those motherfuckers love this shit. I'm worried.

I'm worried. They're out there. They're out there. They're going to get your ass for sure. But we're talking a very short span of time. So, like, you would still put Arizona at that. One thing that I would give grace to in Arizona is you catch some shade, it drops like 10, 15 degrees right there because it's so dry.

It's boom, boom. I can't. One thing I'll give Daisy, you catch some shade? Yeah. I mean, where the fuck you found shade? You're in Arizona, bro, and your car's outside and you go to get in there, you better pray to God that little buckle doesn't touch your skin because you're getting third degrees.

It's going to fucking hurt. Like, I legit, like, when I went to go visit, like, the whole, like, put your that thing. Yeah, the little sun's same thing. Like they actually have to do it because the sun's that bad. I'm like, damn, like that's a different breed. Like, I've dealt with like heat like in California. Like, it's hot.

I never put that thing. I'm like, all right. My car's gonna be a little hot. So be it. But like if you don't, your car is fuck. Yeah. Or even like it'll damage like the like the, what do you call it? The dash of your car.

Like see, that's where I'm like, yo, like not to mention we're big guys. Fuck that. I'm not just going to be sweating all. I hate sweating. I'd rather be in cold weather than hot weather. That's where we differ. I'm an air on being cold than hot. Well, I got all of skin, too.

I still like getting a little pigment tape. You do have a great little, you have a nice little tone to you. I just went to Hawaii. I got a little extra. Also, like, a humble brag. I know, yeah. I kind of felt like, yeah. Which brings me to another point.

Like, you don't got to live somewhere you're around. I mean, for your kids, yeah. Not necessarily. What are you going to do? Have them go to different schools? No. You can homeschool. You can do a whole bunch of stuff.

And your kids are young. I want to find somewhere I can just entrench myself, which I believe is. I love that, too, finding a culture and living in it. Yeah. That's the move. I love that. Now, let me pause this real quick. You came Arizona a little hard.

No, I didn't. You did. He goes, brother, Arizona's not that sweet. Now, I will. I said the desert life is not that guy now. What about Arizona is not that sweet? Just all the brown. Like, it's just not the, every building looks the exact same.

In the dirt. Every building. People say that to me, but I fuck with like, I, the sunsets are amazing. I love the, like the cacti. I mess with that vibe. I also grew up in that vibe. More on better sunsets. Arizona, Nashville.

Oh, Arizona. Wow, there's some nice ones out here. Not really close. I don't know. The colors here are great. Obviously, you haven't caught a Arizona... Google, Google the images, Jack. Google the image.

You're going to fucking die. This is a mound you're going to die on. Did you catch a silhouette of a desert landscape under a purple and gold sky? You're living, dude. There's a lot of plus in Arizona. There's a lot of plus. I do like that brown look, though. I think that's awesome.

I can get... I understand it. Like that, like... You see that right there. Based on photos, it looks like AZ has the sunset. Yeah, and that is the thing that plays into it too. Like, there's a lot of flourishing trees around here. You can see farther, which adds like,

smoking mouths are kind of getting me a little bit. Midwest has better people than the West Coast. Midwest, Southern. He's bringing Missouri into play. I don't know who. You get more hospitality around here than you would. 100%. Arizona's a lot of, you know, everybody's done up out there.

Everybody's got the cars. it's similar to like in LA. Yeah. Look at this third photo. The third photo in. That's a Bonterre sunset right there. Which one? Bontair, Missouri right there.

Hey, they thought they in Bonther. Let's go, buddy. That's from the top of the chat, though. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I mean. Yeah, no, I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of pros and cons there's on. Why is that? You just wouldn't. I just, I just don't think you'd survive in Missouri.

Just tell me why. We can. talk after. No, no, you wanted to bring this up now. No, that's all that's all I wanted to say. All right, that's fine. Yeah. Hey, Jack. You wouldn't survive in Bonterre. We will talk about after. You wouldn't survive in Bonterre. I would, but. You wouldn't. I would. Hey, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, I agree with Will.

Yeah, you're just mad because the whole Arizona thing. I get it. You're still heated. I'm with Will. Why, though? Exactly. I just don't think you're built for Bonterre. That's okay, man. I think you'd be built for Bonter. Yeah. What was the capacity of like your town? Like what was the population?

4,500. I didn't know that small town. I don't want to live there. I did not know you came from that small town. He said, No, I was going to say maybe a couple thousand higher now. We got to stay prison. That's why you chose Nebraska then.

We were an hour away from St. Louis. The closest city was an hour away. Like legit. Not. Let's put like this. I'm sorry. I'll say this. I'd rather choose areas.

None other than that. I didn't work down. Yeah. That's R&B. That's R&Bs right there on the right, bro. You were, hey, you were right. That's Maystery.

Yeah. No, dude. I would not survive. No. Oh, yeah. Wait, what is the pop? I work too damn hard to live like that.

We're growing. Look at that. And look at the population of Cave Creek real quick. Hey, we jumped. That's probably when the state prison came. You see that a little increase? I'm telling you. Oh, Dan, we went down.

Yeah, but you're basically Scottsdale. Yeah, it's a good location. Yeah, you're a, Yeah, you have the small town. You get, you get to say 5,000, but you guys are, you guys are right there. There's a lot of people around. I couldn't imagine playing high school football for you, too. Like, you guys had to always practice either at night, right?

We would just state. No, not at Cape Creek. We would practice at 2 p.m. You would, that would be brutal. That was even a brutal. Yeah, it was like in Arizona. Like, there was like, yo, you cannot even catch. I went to the, like, Cape Cachos is a nice school.

The football programs are definitely different. Chaparral's football program. I know shit. Nighttime, nighttime practices. We would literally go up north for camp and stuff like that. They have more money, obviously. But, dude, kind of like that, though. We went to state myself and we were a whole town shut down.

Little signs up there, gone to state. Like, it was, it's fucking awesome. Did you like the Instagram photo I sent that Prince of Mukumarro? He's from Arizona. And of how Scott Staling Phoenix is, the area, how they. Oh, that shit was funny. Drew all the lines and said what was there. Yeah.

I was looking at the Cape Creek was in there, but it wasn't. I know. It's kind of like Northern. It just missed it. but yeah dude uh Arizona rips and I fucking mess with the I mess with the dirt

I know that is more of an acquired taste so I can definitely understand why you guys don't like the but there's a lot of positives there's a lot of positive I love to hear some out of your mouth because you've been kind of coming hard and I'm trying to get you to move there

in the wintertime I'm trying to get will to live in Arizona in the wintertime Florida is nice to live in a good spot with Florida a lot of good shit to have winter and it's a hell a lot closer and you and there's more green yeah because it yeah

it rains is not close to Cabo or Vegas Key West or Vegas I fuck with Key West big time can we move to Key West yes we can't

oh bro we would not get one guest that's fine we don't need them dude we have the West Key West Florida is all fucking time you have the West

I don't think I have I'm not a big Florida I mean I lived in California the island like the island's like four miles long it's tiny dude like there's an air strip

and then the rest it's like cut in half there's the airport then the rest of the I haven't had great experiences in Florida overall. I've been there maybe like four or five times again. I haven't been to Key West, but the times I went, I'm like,

yeah, no, I definitely checked this off the place I ever want to live. See, I thought the California take. I thought the same thing. You know, the humidity there was the worst I've ever experienced. I remember, like, coming out in my, like, glass just immediately fog up. I'm immediately I walk outside. Like, I'm a, what month did you go?

I guess, I guess, like, spring break, spring break, summer. I just, I just doesn't know how to travel. I mean like Arizona in June we'll see what that's like I remember going also out to Florida too and it was for my brother-in-law's bachelor party

it was like overcast the entire time Okay so I remember being in Florida for the Pro Bowl that's when we met for the first time It was overcast the entire time I'm like what like I never It was bullshitly called the Sunshine State It just fucking rain, it was raining I'm like this is fucking shit weather like what

What's Arizona? I'm with you I was like Canaan State. I'm with you on, like, Florida, but you get down those keys, brother. Again, I've never been. I can't speak on it because I've been. talking tropical vibes. It's like

everyone's a little more chill. There's like chickens running around and stuff like that. It's cool. It's a cool fucking setup. Here's another thing, again, I may, I may. You seem like a negative guy. No, I mean. You kind of seeming negative right now. I know what I like. And I'll pose as like, I'm not a sand, sand guy.

You're a late guy over beach. Oh, fucking 10 out of 10. Oh, hey, JP. Hey, we got a conversation. I can't. Late guy, late guy over beach. I, like, I can't stay insane now. Give me a lake over beach.

Like, first of all, I can never live in a beach town because it's too sleepy for me. Like, that's exactly the shot I needed you to take, too. That's the first thing. That's insane. Like, do I, do I think it's nice? Do I like to go visit all that stuff? Could I actually live there? Who are you hanging out with?

Hang on. Now, let the man talk. Hey, they've had a tough upbringing. Let the man talk. Like, overall, like, I just, I just don't, I don't really appreciate. like, I just don't, I don't like beach town. I don't like the, I'll visit a beach town vibe. Like, you can give me a beach two weeks out of the year for like a spring break for the kids.

But other than that, if you didn't never, if I never saw sand, I would be totally cool that sand gets ever gets in your fucking crack. Gets in place you don't want to be. I'm assuming with kids can be a fucking nightmare to fucking get it out. It gets in your car. If it's in my bed, that's what throws me. The bed part I can get, I can get on board with the bed, bro. Bro, just wait for your kids get older because they'll come and lay in bed with you. They put the crumbs everywhere and you go to bed at night.

And for whatever reason, your wife's side perfectly fucking clean. And you got all them damn crumbs in there, bro. If I feel like any little bit of like sand, like just that little thing, I'm changing, I'm changing like my sheets. I don't give you shit. Like that shit. I can't say that you love the leg vibe the most.

I'll take a leg vibe better. Like being on a boat with the guys drinking beer, like chilling. I'd take that. Do you believe that there's such thing as a boat wave? Yes, 100%. Just like there's a Jeep wave that is out here that I realize that with only Wranglers. It's the worst podcast we've ever done. I fucking love it.

man, I love it. I love it. Dude, yes. Oh, my God. I was driving someone through it. I'm like, I don't know that fucking person. There is definitely a Jeep wave.

I've been on a, I was in a boat all. It's only wranglers. There's a boat. There's a boat wave. It's just like in golf. Like, you know, you pass someone and like,

you have that awkward thing where you're not really going very fast and you kind of pass them. You just like, hey, I'm having a good day. You're having a good day? You golf guy? I'm trying.

I'm bad, but I'm, I'm learning. Let's go. I'm trying to turn the boy. It's going to be a collective. We're trying to get this busing golf club. We just started some merch with a golf club and it looks really good. It seems like something I want to put on, but I'm not about the clubs.

He's not, but I think we just got to get out there for the lives. You don't have to be like a club guy, like a country club guy. I'm very against country clubs. Yeah, I mean, I don't, again, I'm not going to like say like I don't like country clubs, but I also will say like. You're a part of Richland.

I'm trying to. I'm not, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be the dude that's in and be like going on there every time, John it up. Like that's where I'm saying my day. Like that's not. Bro, the only reason to be a part of a country club is to be over there on a consistent basis.

I want to golf at a good place that I know I can get a fucking time. That's six minutes from my house. That's why. And apparently they have good, you know, some brunches on weekends every now. They have brunches. They have good weight room. Spas.

They have a nice setup in there. They also have the daycare. So when you have dad time, you get the kids, you can bring them there and your wife doesn't know what mission may now. you can give it to them and let them watch the kids while you go play 18 drinks with the guys

and it's a real boy club in there too here's where I'm against Is Richland Here's the Noges come on I've been very negative I just have one question One question before you get into it Is that is Richland the one Ben Jones is in

Ben Jones is there Buck up there When we were on the Vegas trip Ben was selling me on it I was like hey this Richland play seems kind of nice Richland's a vibe I've been to Richland a few times

I did a pool day with the kids there and stuff like that and they got good ass food too I was shocked with that Most country club says I'm like I'm paying to like top dollar and I got the shit food.

They got a room down in the basement, dimly lit, guy smoke cigars in there, talk shop, tell war stories. I have, I've been there a while I was there for a rally on the runway a couple times. We'll get him off that hill. I was, I was, rally on the runway is like, it was a charity event that I went there for, and I've been there a couple times like Ford Tom one and them. Because they're members. Not yet, but I do want to, I'm looking into it.

This is what you need to do. Looking into it. Be a country club with a couple of your buddies and then, at least for me, like, I don't, do I need a socialized everyone? I could get like, cool, I've made someone and I've become friends with them great,

but I'm not like joining it. Like I look at, Hunter Club is basically like, returning a friend. Yeah, I'm like, you pay for your friends. Let's call Spade of Spade.

Thank you. That's a phrase I use all the time. I love screaming at chicks and yelling at them when they're doing the whole thing. Oh, I get, that's a college story. I love that. Like you just yell them at you pay for your friends. They're standing there doing the whole chant.

Oh yeah. But like, but like, you get like, you get a couple of your buddies. you join the same country club and you golf all the time. It's like, hey, we're going to meet. I don't care to play with, like, random people.

I will, but, like, I just want to play with, like, my buddies. That way. I don't know. Like I said, I have enough friends. I don't, if I meet more, great, but, like, I'm good. I want to play with people like I enjoy being around, not like being forced. Here's my name you have on country club. Richland, let's go, boys.

I think Richland rips. I think it's a cool ass spot. I've been there a few times. It's fun. However, country clubs, to me, are very pretentious. I feel like they think they're better than you. And I cannot stand having to, you can and can't wear certain articles of clothing. That bugs the fuck out of me.

If I can't just show up in Jim shorts and a T-shirt, like, what are we trying to prove your boys? Can we just fucking hang out? Because at the end of the day, a lot of people at country clubs are doing degenerate shit anyway. Can I? Smoking a bunch, smoking a bunch, on the course, acting crazy. Can I tell you your answer then?

Go ahead. You're a discovery property guy. Have you ever heard of that? Yeah, Tribador. I know. No shoes. Doesn't matter to dress code. It's the epitome of boys.

I'm going to lie. You're going to be spending a lot of money. But like the comfort stations are, have you ever been to any of them? No, I haven't. Go to one because whatever I say, it's not even going to do it justice.

Their comfort stations blow anything I've ever had out of the water. And like there's legit coolers at every single T-box you pull up to shot. Like, What is this called again? Called the discovery property. Trubidor. Trubidor. I've heard it.

Ernest talked about it in the podcast once. and Chase Rice and James. They're all out there. Like Chase is out there. It's literally like, it's kind of like, what's that fucking spot that opened up? That's like more of an artsy. You want to be a, like,

your epitome of like the boys degenerate golf with like no rules. Like, it's discovery. How about that? That's literally. You wear a t-shirt tank top. It's fucking. You can golf without your fucking shoot. Like you just do whatever you want and the food there's unreal. I've been to like, I think two or three of their

There's one in San Diego as well, right? There's one in San Diego. They just bought one in Tahoe. There's a couple in Mexico. They're doing one in Coppa right now. Yeah. And like, I know, he bought one down there in California.

I forget which one. But it's, dude, like you, it's unreal. Again, you're painting arm and leg, too. Yeah. But it's fucking. But like, it's worth it. If you're saying like, that's exactly, you need of the lot,

it's same vibes I have with golf too. Like, I feel like golf, the same phrase I use all the time is like, it's for people that have made it. And to me, it's like, that's so much. much time to spend on other things I could be doing other than that. I have a hard, I have a really hard time doing as much as I do with this bus and like balancing family life,

family and work life because there's so many things I want to like accomplish. And there's other things I have that I want to do too. Like I love aviation. I want to learn to fly. I want to do that and like how would I pick one of the one of those two. I want to do fun shit. And so golfing to me is like I'm just never really been about golf. Have I golf before? Yes. Is it fun times? Yeah, but like it's not one of those things. I'm like, I got to make sure and get back here this week. Or just, yeah, just buy a simulator. Yeah.

But dude, I'm trying to think of, um, and you have made it, bro. You sound like a simulator guy. Just buy simulator. They're awesome. I think the ones I just used one recently. Again, I'm not a big golf. I'm learning,

but like, this guy had a really, like my neighbor has a really nice one. I used it. I'm like, oh, this is like pretty much everything felt exactly like golf except obviously the putting's a little different. And you can get, be a high 80s, 90s golf. We're just doing that.

And then you can, And that's way easier. You can choose whenever, whenever. I don't have a problem, like, going back to the Country Club thing. I don't have a problem, like, paying for stuff. Like, Discovery's sick. The Soho House setup, that seems dope, too. I've been there a few times.

It's awesome. It's when the Country Club comes into play and, like, I mean, you look at the stuff. Like, you see Caddyshast. You grew up on a movie like Caddysh. You're like, I don't want to be like those. There's not one thing you're saying about a country club that I disagree with, because I have those same problems to do just like I have a problem with living in Gated communities.

dude yes that again it's a stigma it's just a weird thing that I have a hard time I get at home awesome yeah it's a total difference yeah it's a total fucking difference thank you okay I'm glad man fuck your safety dude I am not about the community yeah thank you but I again I don't think what you're saying I don't disagree at all with that country I think it's just something I think I've like you know I as well I think it's good for the long run good for like you know there's things like frankly I don't have to build a tennis court like Frankie can have our own tennis court there's a lot more things that I can get I just don't think I'm going to be like you can look around the whole

I think I look past the whole like stigma of a country club because there's a lot other amenities you can get from it that's why overall I'm like all right like I can get behind it yeah it's somebody just I think the stigma of country clubs is going to be on the way out because what I where I agree with you is the stigma is those dudes are old as fuck now yeah and they're not going to be there forever just got to die yeah so it's like new way new people that live in Nashville are going to be those people

that you're talking about that are at a Richland or at a Troubadour. Honestly, Richland's already starting a little more like that. The way younger- Rihal of Richland. Oh,

everyone knows Mark. Yeah, okay, so I went to golf and then. I knew him from, like, way back in the day, and he, like, he's the one of first brought me there

to golf and he, like, pulled up, like, honking, like, has a bunch of drinks screaming. There's this old-ass dude hitting. And, like, I'm, like, trying to be proper.

Like, I understand how country clubs are again. I don't know what this vibe's like. and the old guy turns he goes about to have a good day out there aren't you kid yeah yep that's mine so you later like sorry dude

like you probably piss me he's like oh no this ain't this vibe like we're just having I'm like it kind of like still worries me because I've heard like you had to wear colored shirt

tucked in I'm like fuck this fuck that yeah I'm not I don't co-signed to that you're not tuck after the first talk that's why I yeah

but I still agree I do appreciate a nice tuck but not if I have to you're about to be a tug yeah we're running out of time we're running our time Yeah, you're about to be a cowboy.

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My tier three, arguably one of the coolest Nickelodeon characters out there, and that is Otto Rocket. Oh, yes, sir! Shout at the boy, Otto Rocket, man. Tier two, one of my, obviously one of my other favorite cartoon characters. Oh, it's cartoon characters? Yeah, it's on the show.

Oh, I thought we were doing shows. They're not. I'm glad you... Oh, yeah. Tier two goes to Ultra Lord. Sheen from Jimmy Neutron. Sheen still provides values in my life to this day. And he honestly gets even better. Sheen is a gift that keeps on giving. And Tier 1, SpongeBob, you can't beat SpongeBob.

SpongeBob embodies everything that we should all want to be. Positive attitude, hard worker, never complaining, and just trying to build community with those closest to them. Just nothing but optimism. Yeah. So that's my list. Yeah. With that, I don't want to give it to him. But, yeah, one word, Jack, to describe.

Solid. Studs. Sick. What's your word to describe it, Dave? His list? Yeah. Solid, I mean, because someone already took that. Incredible.

Incredible. Outstanding. Do you want us to go before you? I'll go. You want to go? I'm ready. All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

Go ahead. My. My honorable mention, and this was probably my first show that I fell in love with as a young little wolf pup. Rocco from Rocco's modern life. I loved Rocco, his homie heifer, spunky his dog. I love the frog neighbors, his boss and the wife. Dude, I loved Rocco's modern life. But shout out the boy Rocco.

That's my honorable mention. My tier three is going to be a cat dog. loved cat dog growing up. I love cat dog so much like when they were trying to make products, like food products, outside of the one where a cat is getting dog buff his shit to compete.

He's just like on basically like roided out. That was a great episode. But the episode where they're like making a product in like my young dumb self, I try like making like, you know, jelly, sugar, putting stuff on to like, I'm trying to like create things in the kitchen. But my tier three cat dog.

My tier two, a little unorthodox, but he was one of my favorite characters. Probably my favorite person to enjoy coming into a scene. And it's Twister Rodriguez from Rocket Power. Just an incredible best friend, not Auto Rocket, was funny. He's, you know, kind of dumb. But Twister, he always had a good head on his shoulders, and he hated being called Maurice by his older brother.

But shout out the boy, Twister. I love Twister. And by the way, a little side shout out. He didn't make the list at all. but you got to give a shout out to Tito. And he'd always drop wisdom on those boys. He always loved Tito. And then the only other state of mind,

he'd be in his sadness. And they'd all throw some surprise party to the Lipt of Spirits. But Tito was a stud in there as well. My tier one is going to be probably without fully having probably 30 minutes to digest all this. But my favorite show in the 90s,

and it was, hey Arnold. But my tier one's going to go to Arnold. I felt like in every, in every episode, there was a lesson to be had. And Arnold was the best. I felt like just the show overall, they had the right characters and everything else. The whole woogey, wugety, wuggedy, the boy, Arnold, football head. Shout out the boy. I think he deserves his flowers for tier one.

Seems like Harold embodies exactly what J.C. Trudder embodies. Like, he was always like, he'd pick up the money and give it to you. He was always doing the right thing. Was he a Harold fan? Yeah. He was a fan of Arnold. He's by the face his entire life off of it. Arnold, Twister, cat dog, Rocco.

Cool. Hold on. Fair. Mine in 90s baby. Solid. Theme songs. Oh, yeah. Those are my favorite ones.

Kelly, you get the word, David? I think you have a word. I got it. I got one. I got one. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. Nistalgia.

Hmm. Taylor, you want to go? David. the boy does have to leave here soon. Yeah, no, we definitely get this thing going. I gotta get this thing going. Go ahead. Yeah, you gotta go.

A lot of mention is going to go from one individual character, obviously, because they're all individual characters of the Angry Beavers. And that is, you're sorry. God. Three flower, dude. The cool, calm collected,

there was, I mean, it was angry beavers, but really he was always kind of the voice of reason. If things got a little out of handy, he's like, hey, man, it's all good. Don't worry about it. He was always dealing with the other guy. Get a little too fucking wild. My tier three,

is going to go to Tommy Pickles. Tommy Pickles was a leader. He was a risk taker. He always got everybody dialed in. And when Angelica would come around, he would just let her do her thing. Every once I'd get a little upset, but he would always figure out a way

to make the best out of a tough situation, especially getting out of that damn pen to help everybody out. Yeah. My tier two is going to go to Patrick Starr. Seems like the ultimate side character, in my opinion. his comedic relief to some real problems they had out there. He had some moments, dude,

when he was trying to blow a bubble at SpongeBob's bubble stand. Literally put me in tears as a child, I thought was so funny. hilarious, dumb, but hilarious. And always was there ready to ride with the boys. And my tier one is going to have to go to Twister Rodriguez. He was, I loved watching Rocket Pats. It's my favorite probably cartoon of all time.

And seeing Auto Rocket out there, I thought I loved Otto, but he thought he took things a little too serious. And the only thing, like you said, with being called Maurice, he would have a hard time with that. But other than that, man, always, like, kind of cool doing his thing. Never really wanted to be, like, the best, like Auto did. He was really just, like, embodied chill boy vibes. And I got to give a big shout out to him.

I was a huge fan of him. And that is my tier talk. Surprising. Well-rounded. solid good classics keep

Twister's number one What was surprising Twister took me by surprise Okay I love Twister man Twister took me by surprise Oh cool dude The one

The one I really upset I did not hit was Tommy Pickles Tommy Pickles Tommy Pickles low key is a competitor for Tier 1 Yeah I think Tommy Pickles You grow up with Tommy Pickles Could have done like

What she creates Ah Yeah. Oh, side characters. I know. I feel like each time we get a little bit better. We're going to dial it in one of these days. Make sure somebody writes that down because that's a good one.

I know, bro. Because we do need to do just Nickelodeon shows, but I agree. Secondary characters, no question. Because that's, you know, twisters up there. But yeah, I'm upset. I didn't hit Tommy Pickles. And then Angry Beaver's was surprising me. I think that's a phenomenal show, but I was surprised you.

Yeah, I don't know why when we first started doing this, I thought, like, man, Angry Beaver really was. when I looked up all the shows, I really enjoyed Rocko's modern life. But for some reason, I get so fired up when Angry Beaver's came on. Yeah. I just thought it was such a fun show.

I fucking loved it. That's when you said. I'm like, well, I don't want to use that one now. No, that was, I don't even know their name,

like the names, but like, I had to look up Tree Flower. Yeah. I was like, what are their names? It was fucking solid. But, yeah,

I think, I think I got my. We're ready when you are. Okay, so my tier three is going to be, oh, man, two and three. three are tough. I think I'm going to go

let's see. I think I'm going to go with Squidward. He's the antagonist to SpongeBob and you need someone to shit on and you needed like that negative energy to balance out like the positive because life's not all like large days. I just enjoy just like the fact that he just came in did like you know then he was just the opposite of everything that you know Patrick and SpongeBob were about. So

I liked I liked his balance the show, I thought that, like, if you don't have him, it's too, uh, well, I could get totally, uh, call for this one, but it's like two Ted Lassau for me where it's like too positive. Oh, hang on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's his time.

Yeah. Um, tier two then goes to Cosmo from fairly odd parents, mainly because I fucking love the show and I watch it all the time. But Cosmo was the epitome of just always would fuck up. And I, I just enjoy, like, off-the-cuff stuff. I enjoy like, thank God to be perfect. I liked how he always kind of threw things around. I'm not looking for a message

and need like a, you know, a positive thing for me at the end of the day. And then number one, tier one, this is going to be very controversial. Reptar. So here's my reason. Reptart from Rugrats.

Yeah. He was not a main character, but he wasn't even a secondary. Hold on. Well, You got let them. Listen, Reptar was the whole thing about like Rugrats that they were trying to do. And the most important thing to them was Reptar.

And for me, like, growing up, like, I wanted, like, that's why I love dinosaurs. Like, the idea of, like, loving dinosaurs, Godzilla and, like, always going after, like, the animal reptroth. For me, I'm like, that for me, like, kind of was always something I went back to as, like, a child. Like, your stuffed animal. Like, he was, like, my animated stuffed animal. So that's, for me, like, when there was a shit. Anytime Rugrats had Reptarnet, that was a good episode for me. Weak.

Lost me. Honest. Thank you. Controversal. Solid thing out of a, JP. Come on, Jamie. Give your own rating. Yeah.

I know. Almost. Almost. Let's start there, Mitch. Almost. Why? the Reptter one lost me The first two were like three and two

Were really good For me I was looking I'm like I don't need like I never was a main character guy And then I I kept looking at like For me I fucking loved Rugrats But like Reptar was That was like the mission was

Reptar I was a big feeling like stuff Like I just like Reptta I'm like damn Rugrats was so fucking good And like I feel like SpongeBob No offense like that's easy one to always like lean on Yeah And like he kind of kept on

Like after my childhood so I'm not going to own it whereas like Rugrats was legit. When I was a kid, that's when it was there. It was profound. You, well, when I said lost me, as soon as you made that Ted Lassow remark, I had a hard time engaging back in with you. Again, my favorite shows on television right now. I agree.

I'm watching right now. But you just, it is, again, no, I, I watch shitty shows. I'm not going to say I'm not. I'm also not saying Ted is a shitty show. Oh my God. I'm saying this. Woodward. They haven't.

They haven't tagging it. different. Ted Lassow, I really enjoyed season one. And then I think like, it's, it's fine. But like everyone's like, it's the greatest show. This is amazing. I'm like, dude, it's, it's fine. I get the guy's overly positive.

There's great messages. Like, always be authentically yourself. Like, I see it all, but I'm like, is it like, does it get me going? Does it get me tweeting? Like, this is the greatest show. I can't believe. Like, how everyone else is like, dick riding Ted Lassow? No.

And I have no problem full on a mini. And it's not pessimistic because I'm also not saying the show is bad. I appreciate the show. I watch the show. I like the show. But when I see everyone basically, you know, like slurping up,

dick around Mike, that show ain't it. That it ain't what everyone else is saying, how it is. Dave is a fucking great show. That's it. Again, Ted Lassow is,

I'm not saying like, is it funny? Is it a good show? All those, it checks all those boxes. But it's not like, it's like, again,

can it make the list of something like a tier, like a tier talk? It can make a tier talk list. Is it my tier, Tier 1? No. It can't be because it hasn't gotten there at all through three seasons.

God forbid people love a show so much it's moved them to want to tweet about it. I'm saying, I just don't... I just don't think it's it. If you watch the show Shorzy, oh yeah. What do you think about Shorzy? Fucking phenomenal. Thank you. I mean... Do you mind taking your head off?

Yeah, what? Look at a bigger nose. If you had a bigger nose, it would definitely fit. But I mean, yeah, no. No, Shorsi's fucking phenomenal. What's the other one? Letter Kenny. Letter Kenny's phenomenal too. I think Shorzie is the single greatest one season show I've ever seen.

I love it that much. I don't need you to co-sign that. Again, I don't like that. I could jump more on board with that than like Ted Lasso's like a top three best show out. I'm trying to get willing to just to watch. Dude, it's just a lot. I'm not against watching it.

It's on like, unreal. Very loud. It's like constant talking. There's zero dead space. Super witty too. And then the bantering and also throwing like, I'm not even fucking Canadian, but like, you can get on like what the idea of how like

Canadians trying to talk because I've also seen later, Kenny. So I see like, it's just like it's crafty. I appreciate wit. If there's good wit in a show, you're probably going to grab my attention. If it's just like, okay, always like to feel good. Okay, I get it like, hey. And then you get this, I'm going back to Ted. Like, then you get the depression side.

There's good wit. There's like, there's good wit. There's like, a lot of good writing. I just don't think there's enough wit to make me. There's a much different level. Yeah. And like, it's also. It is an A level show.

There's a lot of softballs in there. It's an A level show. I think it's a, I think it meets smart. You could say B, you could say C plus. I'd be like, yeah, I could probably throw it in that, that category. Chet for you. Because if you throw it A right now, like, what, what? You said C plus.

That's a good show. You're, like, you're almost 80% is not a good show. C plus is 79. Or 78. Or 77. 79. 79, a C plus is good for movies. Not a TV show.

If you're not on IMDB and. you're not pushing 8 plus, like, I'm not really going to fuck with you a whole lot. Big ratings guy with Will. Yeah. But you know, like, it's like if a horror film, you know what to bring the rating down. Like, if it's in the high 50s, 60s, like, you're looking at a decent horror film. Yeah, because it's such a, uh, like, in movies, upper seven's works. It's a, that's probably a very good, that's probably a good movie.

Why, why wouldn't that work for TV shows? There's, there's probably, there's probably four X TV shows. So you really got to, like, nitty gritty like them. I don't know. Because TV shows, you're going to be spending a lot. of time. Best TV show. Go. Game of Thrones' Breaking Bad. Yeah. Sons of Anarchy. I don't hear Ted Lassau.

No, no. Yeah, Ted Lassos up there. Oh, my. All I said was this. Yeah, thank you. He just do that? No, no, he didn't. I said Ted Lassos and a... I said, Ted Lassos an A-level show. Ted Lassow is a 9-plus show. It's 1 o'clock. You've won the war. Ted Lassos 9-level show. It's a well-written show, and it's one of the best shows out right now,

currently. Yeah, but that also could also mean that the types of shows that are out right now aren't very good. Good, yeah. Have you seen shrinking? Shrinking with the... I haven't. I've heard that's really good. I'm a good show. You might not like it though, because it's written by the Ted Lassow people. I know. I don't have anything against the Ted Lassow people. I don't have any, again, I'm not like a realistic. Oh yeah, high school of college or a high school football coach goes over and coaches a club soccer. It does seem a little more realistic. Again, I think I think it's good. Sorry, I'm

I'm projecting I'm projecting right now. Okay, what's your favorite TV show? Check on fucking with him. I'm joking around. There's anger floating around this bus. I fucking, I messed with scrubs.

That's probably my number one all time. But I feel like it from recency bias. I don't know. I haven't really watched a whole lot of shows. You're nip-tuck kind of guy? You watch that? No. Like a bunch of stags.

Narcos was good. I was a big entourage guy. That's phenomenal. Again, like, that's a phenomenal one. Like, I would definitely, like, those ones, like, I could, if I took the time, actually looked at a list, I can easily put 10 to 15 shows before 10th last. And that's, that's not me trying to shit on.

That's just like, no, really being honest, I think there's 10 to 15 shows that have happened or happening that are better. I don't disagree with that. I think if there's 10 to 15 and those are your north of C plus, then you need to get a little bit more well-versed in TV. Yeah, but I think there's plenty of C-plus. is like, again, there's a lot of C plus students.

How many C plus students have gotten here? There's plenty of us. There's C pluses in your top 15? Yeah. You guys are straight A's? Hell no. Can I be honest? Not everybody's an A plus student.

Don't lie to yourself. You guys C plus in your top 15? Probably C plus my top 15? No. Yeah, look, I don't disagree that there's 10 or 15 better than Ted Lass. So I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's one of the better shows on TV right now. It's a very good show.

I think of another good show that I loved. I don't know if I can put 15 shows ahead of Ted Lassow. I wouldn't know unless I'm not willing to die in the hell like really. No. I think Loss was so good though it didn't give me what you needed as it got towards a tail end. They felt like they started stretching it out too far.

Seems like Yellowstone's that way. Yeah. Okay, so same, same. I would definitely parallel them. Totally different shows, but you parallel them. Those definitely were better because it, like if I didn't, I just started watching Ted Lasson.

That shows you like I was willing to wait a pretty long time before like, oh, the moment it came out. And that's, again, that's my personal, like, view on it. It just, like, I didn't have, I didn't feel a necessity like, oh, moment it comes out. You'd watch it. Whereas I remember Lost. I remember, like, Yellowstone. I binge the fuck out of Yellowstone. Yeah, Yellowstone's fire.

Like, again, sometimes I'm just watching an hour of great views in Montana. Still, great fucking show. Like, the character development, phenomenal. Like, Lost was amazing. And then I'm, then I got kind of weird, but still I'm like, um, overall, great show. I probably wouldn't, again, Breaking Bad was phenomenal. Took you on an unbelievable journey. Some filler episodes.

Pretty, pretty. Some for sure. But at the end, brought it home. Great. Fucking gave you what you wanted. Was Breaking Bad a show that came out and like the whole season comes out at once or was week to week? When I watched it, it was all on Netflix.

So you're popping those 30 minute episodes the entire time. Yeah. I mean, my buddy. I don't know if you're watching it up today. And then I bingeed it. There's a big. Game of Thrones. I probably watched the first three seasons like two or three times to bring other people in.

Yeah. Start over again because it was that good. I didn't mind watch it. But it was so. I got to get on that. Season 8 was tough. Yeah. It was awesome. That shows. Again, like the ending, like, you're going to be like, damn. But, like, overall, you're not going to matter.

I don't think he will if he watches it in succession. I think a lot of people who watch it all in just succession, like, just binging it, I think a lot of people enjoyed season eight. Are you saying too binge it or not to binge it? To binge it. I think if he watches it now, he'll hit it. Because when you say filler episodes, when you have filler episodes and you have to wait another week to see it, that's going to piss you off.

So, like, oh, that show sucked. But if you're binging, That filler episode, you're like, this is great because I need to know. I know what happens now. There's like, there was two years in the middle of season, like the ending of seven and eight, all of us just speculated every day. I remember that. I remember that.

Every day, look like, hey, here's a new theory. Here's a new three. So then when the Hollywood theatrics of it, you know, was in eight, you're just so bummed because you had so many. And when seen Flea Bag, by the way, dude, that would be one off one. That's like a London European show. It fucking rips, dude. And it's, it's a working budget. As I'm saying, like, there's so many one spinoffs.

I'm like, everyone, like, this is the... Too much money heist? It's almost like it forced it. Go watch Fleabag. It's a, it's a, like, a woman-led, like, all about them, but, like, focused on them. But, like, and again, like, you can have some by-spank. Oh, like, that might not be like, it fucking rips. It won, like, awards, and I totally agree. I'm like, finally, they're actually giving awards to good fucking shows.

Not just the one because it's the most popular. Like, I feel like Ted Lasso is the most popular show. It's not the best show. Well, there's the most popular because it's the most generic. Sometimes the most popular is generic. Like we can use that. The way that show was developed, though, is a really cool story. You should look into that.

I see, again, I don't have that. But you should look into that for sure. Again, I'm not, like, I hate, I'm bringing a little too much hate on it. You're saying C plus, man, you're saying 7.9. That's still good. That's still good. You're looking at, Ted Lassow, we look it up. It'd probably be, I mean, eight and a half is easy to go over.

I think the way you guys are looking at C pluses are way different. Yeah. Point eight. Yeah, I feel like that's a very well positioned number for Ted Lassow. Me, like, if I'm in their voting, I'm probably giving it like a nine But that's not an A. I know. It's an A. No, 88? No, no, no. Yeah, an 8.8.

That's 8.88? I mean... Okay, so, again... It's not a C plus. Hey, you know what? Like, for me, it's got like rain. If you wanted to sit to throw B plus, like I said, B to C plus, like, I can get with it, but like, for my scale, I would probably pull it back. Have you seen... Because once you throw that's 88, there's going to be definitely better shows in that. And then you're going to have to, like, well, this one's got to be 9-1.

The next thing is like, well, how much space I have... Well, all I'm saying is 88 is a... That's a good rated show. That's going to be one where if somebody brings it, if Terry's like, hey, you should check out Ted Lasson. I hadn't heard anything of it. I go to IMDB right away. If it's showing me 8.8 for over 200,000 people that's voted on it, then I'm crushing it.

You or Ted Lasson. Have you seen you? Netflix? Yeah. Very redundant. Man, I kind of died out. Have you seen the last season? No.

Okay. I was on the second season. I was on the same fucking shit. I was like, if they do this shit again, I'm out. Really? And they fucking change of the formula, which is scary. They put themselves on edge. but they fucking brought you back in.

And I'm like, this is what I'm talking about. Because again, the formula works. Two seasons. Like, don't get season. It's four now. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I watched the first two seasons and I'm like, bro, this is the same shit.

The second one, the ending, I was like, this is, this is kind of, corning, bro. I think I watched maybe two episodes of the third season. I was like, I got it. I got better shit to do. Have you seen the last kingdom? No, I haven't. Oh, that's a good one. He has got to go.

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