Bussin' With The Boys - Dean Blandino On NFL Officials, Calls From This Weekend + Is The Big Ten Better Than The SEC?

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Recorded: October 16th 2023 | On this weeks episode the boys recap this past weekend spent in Knoxville. They talk about the Tennessee Volunteer fan base and whether or not it is one of the top fan bases in the country. They then get into this past weekend in the football world. The boys go through the good the bad and the stuff that will get you beat. They span the entire league from the Jets and Browns beating the Eagles and 49ers to Colorado losing after being up 29-0 and Malik Willis not having any pocket awareness. The guys also get into the college football landscape. Is it time to say that the Big Ten is better than the SEC? Will believes so and is going to die on that hill. Following the intro, the boys have Fox NFL Rule's Specialist, Dean Blandino, join them. We immediately get into his referee performance at this years Beer Olympics. Both Will and Taylor have some choice words regarding his performance. Dean talks about how David Bahktiari actually may have slid him some $$ to not knock them some points. Following the Beer Olympics talk, we get into how Dean got into officiating, especially because he was never a referee in the league. He talks about the process to becoming an official and how, believe it or not, there is a program to be sure that the refs are physically fit to be in the game. They then get into some of the calls from this past weekend. Dean gives his expert opinion on the Darren Waller pass interference that wasn't called and the targeting call on the 49ers late in their game along with others. It is a very interesting conversation to hear the referee side of calling games. He gives some insight as to how officials call their games but we all know matter how they call it, the stripes are always the bad guys. Tune in. 2:27 Weekend recap 15:17 The good 18:00 GBR v. Go Blue 24:43 Back to the good 34:45 The bad 45:11 SEC v Big Ten 58:59 The ugly 1:07:10 When you're younger, you would die on the field 1:15:21 Twisted question 1:26:06 DEAN BLANDINO INTERVIEW STARTS 1:26:39 Beer Olympics throwback 1:30:48 How Dean got into officiating 1:31:50 Going over calls from the weekend 1:36:15 Is there any physical test for refs? 1:38:34 Dean's least favorite rule 1:43:25 Shittiest moment 1:48:03 Gambling and refs 1:50:30 Any brush back from the NFL after the Beer Olympics? 1:51:20 Will he be back for next year?For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Obviously, the boys went up to Knoxville, Tennessee. Your boy was in Canada fighting the good fight in a third world country. But I want to hear about Knoxville boys. I want to hear about the vibe. Guys are missing. Yeah. I missed you boys too. No, the fans.

Yeah, yeah, fans. They were coming up 77. Where's Taylor? Where's Taylor? Where's Taylor? It's like, oh, the boys got a little family matter. He's attending to. Can I get a pause real quick?

Yeah. Did you guys miss me? Of course. All right, good. I haven't seen you in over a week. I know. This is the longest that's gone in a long time. But go ahead.

The boys were missing me, ball, blah. I say more good things about me. What we were saying? It was a good weekend, though. Knoxville, the vibes get better every time. Is Knoxville the number one? set up, I think, for tailgating? Don't ask me. I know. I know, yeah, you're biased.

What do you think, Mitch? You've been to some different ones now? I think of the ones we've given to, like, that little, what was it, like, circle. That was definitely the coolest. I do think Notre Dame has the best, like, parking lot kind of vibe. Yeah. Because they're just people everywhere. Missions are similar. Tennessee is similar with Georgia, where a lot of the action is right there outside the

stadium. I think, yeah, Tennessee is awesome, man. I wasn't at the Georgia one, so I don't know. It was interesting to hear the guy at Georgia talk about the different fan bases and how they are, and he was giving flowers to Tennessee. They're the loudest and one of the most rudest fan bases, which is what you want when you have an opposing guy in a conference talk about your school. They get rowdy.

They get rowdy. The hill was a great time, some old dude. I think his name was Daniel David. Drillmaster? Yeah, the drill. We had a drill sergeant to sneak in and be like, you know, what do you guys do? What's going on in your head?

had nothing to, he knew nothing about Bustin with the boys. But he saw a set of 10 get, a set of ten of pushups with JP. He saw us all down doing pushups. All he saw was pushups. So he wanted to come over and get in on the action. So I was like, oh, you want to do pushups? Like how many are we talking? He's like 50.

He did 50 straight? We all had to. Me, JP, and this man are down here. And by like 40, I'm shaking like a dog shit and peach seeds. I'm fucking pushing up. I'm rattling. I'm having to go ass up hiked in the air to like rest. for a minute and he just rests all the way to 50.

We got to 50 and we stood there and he goes, oh, let's hit 10 more. He crushed him, bro. This old man, drill sergeant. Was he wearing a sweater? Was he jacked up? I can't remember. He had a nice, like a Santa Claus type beard going. Like, he wasn't in midseason form yet, but just enough to know, like, oh, he could get

hired in December easily. Like, it seems like he's growing it out. But he just wanted to come over and do pushups. He's newly engaged. His lady was down from the northeast. He's shown her first ever tailgate college football experience. We saw a few of those. Some virgins pop in their cherry in the college football world at Tennessee.

And I think Tennessee is the, is a premier place to do that. Like it was a good time. Then we went to, what was it, the Circle? Circle Park. Jack took us over there. Garrett's dad had a tailgate going. But everyone's just like, they do the walk there, the team walk, all the tailgates, similar to that Georgia vibe.

You know when you kind of, you kind of know, like everybody's close to each other on campus. You're going from tailgate to tailgate. Everybody's like, oh, come over here. Come over here. Oh, that's a good one over here. but the camaraderie was high, then we went on to the field. I mean, Tennessee treats the boys well.

I love that, man. Oh, yeah, show the old man. Look at that. Look at that dude. Yeah, he's a jacked motherfucker right there. I mean, look, look at his back. Yeah, no, those things are peeking out. What y'all boys doing over here?

Like, he literally put, looked at his girls and watched this. On it. You guys are like, well. Hey, head down, Willie. Look at the knee in the ground. That was it. That was when we hit, however many it was. Oh, God.

I'm so glad that was film. All of you guys had to hit the head. that I was like, dang, this is probably no video of it. Dude, that reminds me of a Cabo San Lucas. There's a Mango Deck. You've been to Mango Deck. So they do, they have like a, you know, their background is essentially the beach and the ocean, but they have like this big stage and they do like, you know, wet t-shirt

contest, like a flip cup contest, a whole bunch of contests. And in it, they do like push up contests. And the owner, I believe this is the owner of the bar is this like dude in his 50s, maybe, maybe even 60s who's just shredding. He sits in the back of Mango Deck. they do the push-up competition, they always set it up where, like, they get like the big, like, the, you know, test, the dudes on the test and all that all muscled out. The young cats through 20s, low 30s, ready to go.

To show it all off. I want to go up here, do go push-ups. Everyone's, like, jacked up about headbands on. No, no shirt, small little swim trunks. And then there's always, like, one more seat. And then they're like, how about you? And they get, like, the old guy. And the guy literally cranks out, like, 75 every single time.

I've never, I've been there 10 times that I've never seen them lose once. He kills it. He crushes it. Did you see it? Oh, when we went to go. Yeah, but I was sick, so I didn't get to see the push-up thing. Did you leave before that one? I think I did.

I was there for Charles' first dance and Bree's flip cup. But then after that, maybe it happened later. But yeah, the old guy went up there and murdered everybody. That's awesome. He kind of plays with him, like, when that old guy was like, oh, we'll do 50. And then he hits 50, he's like, oh, I might as well do 10 more, just not even breathing heavy. JP and R are, like, slowing down. Like, I was shaking in the car on the way over to the stadium because I was like, yeah, we

maxed out. That's so awesome. You were talking to the people right after, like, the fans that are coming by and you were like out of breath. Yeah. They're like asking. You used to guys just saw it. This old man just mopped us.

Mocked us. And you know he had to walk away for that thing just feeling like the greatest. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, you guys are famous? You had a little show? Like, you know, he didn't know what was really going on, but you knew he knew you were somebody of some sort of importance. Yeah.

And he was like, let me get an edge over this man that he'll never. forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No question. He took advantage of you. He did. He did, but hats off to him. How did J.P. crank it out? Uh, he would, yeah, he was solid. I think we all hit, I think we all might have hit 60, didn't we? I think you all hit 51, she'd 50, and then the guy looks at y'all, and you are about to get down and he goes, 51. And then, you guys also held a 10-second hold between like 45 and 50. Something like that. You had to be, I bet you're getting like right around that 43, 44 range being like, please God rep these out as fast as possible. Oh, yeah, bro.

Yeah? Yeah. The little sticks were twerking, huh? I'll tell you what, dude, J.P's endurance and the push-ups have gotten insane. He's the push-up. He's the push-up, he's the push-up king. He is.

He is a push-up king. He already cranked out like 32 before than with other, other, like, actual fans. Yeah. Really? Yeah, he was just on the ground, like half-up Tuesday, man. He's working. He's growing the brand. I love the fact that people are buying into it, too.

Like, people legit know it's a thing now and do it. We got to get Jason McCordy on next. He's been the next one in our, in our sites. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm working on that. that for him a little bit right now. Play with Jason. Play with him of the Titans.

Oh, yeah. A fan came with the JP and goes, hey, man, no offense, but I don't know how the fuck you got Kay Adams on your push-up Tuesday, man. That's awesome. Kay's about the brand, dude. JP goes, same reason as you,

same reason as you, you follow me. He said that? Yeah. Well, he said it after words, but when we all laughed. We want to pretend like he did say that. He bought it back. Yeah, we should have just left it at that.

Yeah, I know, I know. I'll tell you, Kay, Kay was spreading the good word on Up and Adams. Shout out to her and her show, dude. she was talking about slips and picks because she was with Delaney in London. Yeah.

And so she was talking all about how Delaney's like, I guess during the show's like, Taylor, who's got the best record? What's the record? The Mulele's record. And I was like, oh, shit. They're out there talking about it. Yeah.

Moving. Delaney's spread the good word. Delaney's been more on social media too. I don't know if you guys have noticed. Ever since he's been with the boys. He's got to get him going. He's got a little more of presence. He's got a little more of a presence on social media,

which is awesome to see. Boys in London, too. did the show Wednesday, Thursday, flew out to London. The boys out there grinding. So shout out the Lainey as well. He was on the pro football football show, busts with the boys out London.

Like, the meal's working. And all the reviews on them, everybody leaving comments about them. It's all good news. We got to get the meal going. Yeah, well, the meal is going. We got to get everybody else involved too. I think interns aren't looking too hot

in their record right now. Are they, Jackie? Or not? Are you or not? I don't know. I don't know. I know the Eagles, minus six and a half,

obviously didn't win. mortal lock, though, crushed over on Lamar Jackson and Derek Kinderer rushing yards, easiest lock of the week. Yeah. Oh, I thought Lamar didn't hit. Lamar had 62 rushing yards. Oh, it's awesome. I knew that Parlay was in bad shape when there was two Titan players with over rushing yards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if it wasn't for Derek's long run, too, that would have been a rough one. Yeah. But thank goodness he got it. Should we get into our good, bad, and the ugly since we're starting to trend towards A little bit of football, a little bit of football, a little bit of ball talk. Yeah, so your guys' weekend was good. I love that.

Weekend was great, man. We got back. Dude, we got back at, what time? I stayed in Knoxville. Yeah, you stayed in Knoxville. Back at like 7.30, 745. I think seven. I was cruising back.

Really? It stopping at Buckees and then like get that car nap ride, car nap in the car. On the way home? Oh, you guys. So you guys. stopped off of the Buckees, yeah, because I got back at like seven. Hit some chick-fil-A. You drive solo?

Yeah. There was almost some words. Did you staggle one of the boys? They were already out there. I know, but if Jack just stayed and then Mitching them... They all went back, and when I got out, nobody was like, nobody was thinking like, hey, I'll go with will. I didn't say anything.

I didn't ask a question, because I'm thinking of my head, I'll probably have to take one of them to one of their cars. Like, I'll just cruise home. That's why we didn't drive with you because we figured that you just wanted to go home and you would have to stop at the shop to drop us off. Yeah, yeah. I heard Mitch said there was almost some. words in the car on the way back.

I don't know if he wants to explore. What words? Sorry. I did totally just start moving over to Will and I noticed I cut you off. Some of us were trying to fall asleep in the car and some of us were watching a hockey game on their phone screaming at the phone with no social awareness that

some of us are trying to fall asleep. Do we want to say names? No, we don't have to say names. I would like to say names. Say names, Jack. Oh, no. I wasn't there like I want to hear someone say a name. Oh. You have... Can I guess? A story where you can say names.

Can I guess? Is it the same name? Same name. You let him make it. You stall him out. You stall him out. Stahl him out. What is that?

What does that? I mean stall him out. Like, let him make it. Don't kill him. That means that's what stole him out. Oh, really? No, I know. That's why I looked over at Mitch.

Like, is he going to say it or not? I had no idea. I'm thinking, not stall him out. That's like, I felt like you learned that in the locker room. All the brothers would say, hey, stall him out. Come, stall him out. I'm like, okay, I guess that means let him make it. I guess you stole them out

We're not going to say the name Is it who I'm thinking of Okay That's good Let's get into the good The bad the ugly shall we Shall we? Before we do

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Were you wanting to go first? No, no, no, doesn't matter me. Do you want me to rattle off the whole list? Then we dive into it, or we both rattle off list? I kind of like when you rattle it off because I feel like, oh, oh, oh, we got to go. I don't know about that one. Okay. My first good, Buckees.

Got a shout out Buckees, any chance you get. I bought a little rue, a spooky little stuffed animal walls there. She loves it, a ghost boo. She knows how to say boo right now, which is a lot of fun. Aaron Rogers, six weeks post-op, the man, I could come back and play this year. And with that, the Jets could make a push. Like, they look tough. Jets, defense.

Insane. They play, what, six quarterbacks? Sala, he rattled it off. He rattled it off. All the quarterbacks they played. Was it Mahomes, Josh Allen. you know, other great quarterbacks. And he's like, and he basically said like,

yo, we've embarrassed all of them. And that, get your piss hot, dude. I love when Sal was talking his shit. Jim Schwartz, his defense, he's got those boys rolling. They beat the 49ers. Like, Jim Schwartz is undefeated against Kyle Shanan when they're both calling games against each other. And the Schwartz defense in Cleveland right now,

they're fucking, they're making, they're keeping themselves at pace with everybody else in the AFC to kind of make a late push. Who knows if they're going to actually be there in the end? end. Jaguars looking like the team. I thought they'd beat the beginning of the year. They've rattled off, what, three straight now, two in London, beat the breaks off the coast this past weekend. Mike Flanagan. Mike Flanagan, he's the director of the Haunting on Hill House. He's got another one out right now. It's called like, what is that new series out he has? I literally had it. I was thinking about it.

It's like a full, a full house. That's a show from the 90s. The fall of the House of Usher. The Fall of the House of Usher. I started that last Friday, and it is a good series. He's got the Honning Hill House, Bly Manor, Midnight Mass. I think another one I didn't really watch last year. Midnight Club? I don't think I watched Midnight Club.

And then this one was pulled that up again, Jay? Fall of the House of Usher. Yeah, Fall of the House of Usher. And so far, two episodes in, good. I think it's going to end well because it's got an 8.1 IMDB, and I'm a big IMDB guy. And last but not least of the good. Big Ten West is wide open.

The Big Ten West is wide open right now. It is. It truly is. Go Big Red. Go Big Red. Yeah. GBR. GBR than GBO. Ben? That was GBR, GBO.

And then? That's it. That's it. No, go blue. No. We've had this conversation. I know. Welcome back.

If you're back on GBR, I mean, it can change at any moment. No, it literally changed leading up to and the, and, and, and, and, the Boston Bowl and now I'm back. And I pray to God, we get to have another Boston Bowl in December. I know. I know. We could make our way back to Indy. One game at a time. One play at a time. One game at a time. As far as leading up, I mean, yeah, you're devil-faced when we lost

to Minnesota. We lost to hockey school. I get it. You're on Big Red right now. But you remember why I said I was being a little nasty towards Nebraska. It's all good. Do you remember what I said? No, it's all good. It's just all, I promise. It's all good. You're on GBR right now. I'm showing people that aren't part of every one of Will and I has conversations. The reason why I was being a little nasty towards Nebraska leading up to it is because I started to reflect on University of Michigan, which is where I went to school and Nebraska and how much I've supported Nebraska in the past.

And then I was like, you know, now that I'm finally becoming a fan, I'm going to jump on to this whole thing. I'm starting to realize that when I look back, Will's not saying a whole lot of go blue. Will's not really buying into Ann Arbor or University of Michigan like I have. Maybe I need to stir it up and switch it up a little bit. I did do that. And then after the Boston Bowl, after that demonstrative. Yeah, big time win. That was...

Four quarters of fuck you football by Michigan Wolverines. Damn near killed us. Yeah, damn near. However, once that ended, I was like, dude, let me go back to supporting my voice because I do love Nebraska. Which is wild, by the way. You wanted that intro. You wanted to be nasty for a good 15 minutes.

And apparently, looking back at the tape, like you're playing both ways. And it's like, oh, I could have sat in on that conversation. Yeah, you could have sat in the conversation. But because originally I thought, man, it's going to be funny when I'm super nasty about it. But then as I was like getting into it and was going to say all the things, I was like, you know what, dude, the play happened.

We saw, like, it was such an ass beating. That's like, I can't really be nasty because then it just becomes bullying. And I don't want to do that. That's why I'm back supporting Nebraska. And I would love if my best friend also supported the University of Michigan, who is every bit of looking like the number one team in college football right now. Yeah, Michigan looks good. You guys look fucking tough.

Okay. So we're not going to say go blue. No, look, like, we're still in the thick of it. right now. Like Nebraska's still got a shot to come back. I'm not going to be chanting. The game's over. But I'm not going to be channing Go Blue. You know what I mean? Like if you guys get to... One second, Jack. If you guys get to

like, you know, the last couple of years you talk about the non-support of Go Blue. Like, I've been Go Blue up until you guys lay an egg in the college football playoff. Yeah, but we're, but now it's become this thing where it's like, no, you're basically saying fuck Blue to me. Essentially, I think you've never, I've never, no, I've never

said fuck Blue. Like, you play so hard. You said I'm praying on your downfall. I'm praying on the opportunity for your downfall. That was based on the nastiness like with the wind and be like, hey, I want 15 minutes to be nasty on the pot. Coming in with a thought of, you went 15 minutes of being nasty on the pod.

Yeah. So I've got to play my villain era of being like, yo, fuck blue. So you went in the villain era and halfway through us having that big argument, did you not, did I not say, you got to watch the tape? I said, you got to watch the tape on it.

But the tape thing is irrelevant because you were saying you were going to be, you know, you're going to be. And I didn't. actions speak louder than words. I know. I feel like I've been consistent with Michigan outside of being like,

uh, now I just wait till you guys fall. I'll be there to catch you. Trust me with the knife. But up until then, like I've been like a consistent kind of medium, like above medium with go blue. You wouldn't have never,

I've never been like over, overly like go blue, go blue, go blue. Like you have go big red, go big red, go big red. And the moment you realize that I'm not up there with you, then you bring it down and go the complete other way and go negative on big red. versus like, I'll just stay in the middle. And yeah, that conversation was like, yeah, I hope Michigan fails.

But I'm still like sitting here today. I'm like, hey, it's all good. I get it. You want to root for big right right now? That's awesome. We'd love to have you. We love to have you. But me being like, yeah, go blue.

I won't go blue to win this weekend. Like I've never been like, oh, I'm rooting for fucking blue, hard, heavy, unless they're pushing for the national title. And based on the conversation we had last time when it got, when it got tight, that's when I was like, oh, I'm off blue. So you're off blue still. I am. You're talking about consistency.

I always say I've been medium to above medium. You've definitely not been, I would say, hardly medium on Michigan. I'm rooting for big red. For a couple of reasons. One, you're my fucking guy. Two, that fan base needs a guy like me right now. So I'm going to come in there and toot the horn from a different school.

We don't. We don't need you. Yes, you do. And the proof is after the third and one when it was 7-0 in the first quarter. That's when I looked around the stadium and it was quiet as a church mouse. on third and one, I thought, okay, these fans need a little bit more. They need some more help because you and your boys...

I did the postgame pantry and talked about that. Okay. Well, I'm just saying, I was very consistent in rooting for Nebraska. And then once I reflected, I was like, okay, no, so I did go the other way a little bit. But I'm back. I'm back. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad.

And I'm like, maybe if we took a look at Ryan Holiday, ego is the enemy, we lay down our egos for a little bit and we go back. So here's my thought on Michigan. Michigan looks like the best team in college football. You guys are tough. Ever since you beat Nebraska's ass, you beat basically the last two weeks. You've poured it on. Since Harbaal's been back, we've been undefeated against the spread. Right, right.

But even when you guys played Rutgers, like Rutgers was, or Rutgers or Maryland, one of them, they were battling up until the second half on that Rutgers QB started just throwing picks. That was last year. No, no. You guys, who did you guys play this year? We played Rutgers. September 23rd. We were battling.

It's 31-7. Yeah. Do you want me to finish? Do you want me to keep going? The game you're referring to is scroll up one. I believe it was bowling bowling group. No, yeah, look, 31-6. Okay, well, we watched that the whole way home

and knew that it was like a close game. You're referring to. But also Rutgers was competing until the second half. In Nebraska, you beat her ass from start to finish. Minnesota, you beat their ass from start to finish. Indiana, you beat their ass from start to finish. You guys are now looking like the best team in college football. The other games, like, I was trying to say, like,

it wasn't, you weren't beating their ass from start to finish. Now you guys are. Like, I would be fired up to be sitting in your seat because you guys look fucking tough. but, you know, I know you're like one of me about, oh, go blue. You guys got this way. Michigan State, you guys are going to roll them. Who gives a fuck?

Wait until you guys start, like, it'll start festering. What I'm pumped about this week is Penn State, Ohio State. You guys got Penn State. Yeah. But that's my whole pitch. That's my whole premise around. I'm anxious to see what your vibe is when Penn State comes around. Yeah, that's fine.

I think I'm going to lean into just being an objective, like, critical thinker. You know what I mean? It's a bad friend move, but I get it. But, yeah, I've been on your side up. Like, I get it. No, no, I understand that. All right, as long as we're all good, as long as we just know. I don't say we're all good.

I was just saying, I understand where you're coming from. Okay, that's all I need. All right. That's how you want to look at it. The other stuff you talked about, though, the Jets, their defense, incredible, dude. Yeah. I thought they were, they've legitimately got a shot. And then seeing Aaron Rogers, 34 days post-surgery, throwing a football with a slight limp, not even a bad limp.

Like, that's awesome. Yeah. And the Jets defense, too, I forgot. but their top three corners were out. Like they had depth on that fucking Jets defense, bro. Playing their fucking tail, or playing their flipping tails off, playing their flipping.

We've heard so much at this point doesn't matter anymore. Okay, yeah, yeah. The first five minutes and then you. Playing their flipping tails off. The Jets defense is that, and who is it, Quinny Williams' linebacker? Is that the brother? Quincy Williams.

He's an animal, bro. He's an animal. But Jets defense fires me up. I think that they can get back in the division picture. I think so too. I think when we look back at all the divisional standings, we said that AFC East, that AFC East, right? Yeah, AFC East is where you can see three get in.

Three get in. Jackie, you raised your hand. I said, we'll get back to you. We're back to you. All good. All right, perfect. I love that. Who's your good?

My good is number 13 for Stanford against Colorado, So 294 yards and three TDs, dude. Louis Locke's undefeated on Betthe Bus. First time ever hosting Bet the Bus and we went undefeated. I mean, I don't think any of us expected that. It was pretty amazing. That is a big move. I got here the Jets.

I got Michigan covering since Jim Harbaugh has been back. Craig Reynolds, Detroit Wide Receiver with that block downfield against Tampa Bay to spring his boy for a touchdown. That is football porn. I love that shout out. That's a good shout out. That's the shit you go, you go, man, these guys are truly so bought into Detroit that I'm legitimately finding myself rooting for the Lions. Like, oh, that's awesome.

That's awesome. They're good. Because if you look back at some episodes, I am on record saying when the 10th overall pick came and Detroit Lions were picking, I prayed, legitimately prayed for them not to pick me. That's how bad the Lions where that's how much I didn't want to be there. Now I'm like, that seems like a place that people want to go to and be at and like enjoy that culture and get after it and play hard-nosed ball. For Coach Campbell. And you're right too, and I love that you shout out the wide receiver, like the, the schematics like that because I know people watching. Like everybody sees the, from the surface level who's playing well, who's not.

But it's little things that like that, that it truly sparks like a team to fucking flipping. Make a deep run. Make a deep run because the boys are like, you know they're in the film room shouting that out. And everybody's like, they're playing team ball. Yeah, they're pulling the tape and the coach is like, I love the touchdown. That's great. But let's find out why we had the touchdown. And there's a big circle.

That laser pointer is on Craig. Yeah. And that's, what's that? It was it. Did he? D2. With the Cookstown? Cutsown.

It's like a K-U-T-Z town. K-K-K-K. A D-2 powerhouse in Pennsylvania. And my last, my last, the good is probably my favorite good

of the whole entire week and that's Win Rebel LeWan traveling for 12 hours on Saturday afternoon and literally crushing it. Economy. Sitting there, rolling with the punches,

going back and forth. Her routine's all messed up. And she was every bit of how like when you walk away from the situation where people are like comments and be like your daughter's so well behaved while your daughter's so amazing. She did so great on this flight. Where you sit there and you think like my kid fucking rocks. She is well behaved. She is. Shout out Winnie.

Winnie. Shout out you. Awesome. She was so incredible. I know we didn't talk about my weekend because we kept starting over. But we did a lot. We've traveled a lot in the last couple of days. And so that's my good.

dude. I think the island is a team that fires me up more than the Detroit Lions right now. Yeah. I mean, Eagle is going to be fine. Niners are going to be fine. But like, you look at the, look at the lines and it's like, everyone's wondering, like, when are they contenders? It's like, yo, five and one. Like, what are we talking about? Like, they're in it. Oh, yeah. They're, they are contenders. They are Super Bowl contenders.

I kind of find myself rooting for the Jets. Raiders, Raiders are bouncing back two in a row, which I think is big. I think time will still tell if they're like, being a better team because they beat who? Patriots. Patriots and who'd they beat last week. I don't know. But it was a good win.

They were underdogs. Jackie Boy, Jackie Boy's pulling it up right now. Prinding. Packers. No. Packers. Yeah, it was Packers because there's Pasachia's homecoming.

But they have two good weeks. Now they got the, well, it looks like they have a buy. Oh, wait, no, that's this weekend. My time comes home. Yeah, so they're going to go three in a row. The Bears this week.

Then they got the Lions. Which you'll kind of see. If they take care of business, against the Bears, then Monday night, they've rattled off three in a row. That's going to be a big game to kind of show their measuring stick of where they're going to be. Because they got a... They got a tough end of the schedule there.

Yeah. I mean, you're in a tough... You're in a tough division. You're in a tough division. And so I don't know what the expectations truly are for the Raiders this year. I think if you get 500. I think they... Well, with 17 games now, you're hoping you need a winning season.

Yeah. I think Coach McDaniels needs a winning season because I think if he lost yesterday, his job would be being talked about, I believe. It has been talked about. But now that they're winning right now, you know, you just keep winning, man. Winning solves all problems.

Winning solves all issues. Keep that, keep the pace, dude. Keep that 500 pace. And then, yeah, 6 and 11 last year. That's they, I think you get, I mean, 9 and 8, 9 and 8. You know, I mean, that's what they want. You know. I think you're sitting like, okay, we saw promise.

we saw direction, we saw motivation. We're feeling good about it. Because last year they were a 6 and 11, but I think five games might have been within one score. Like a 5, like blowing a fourth quarter lead type thing. So they're like in the think of it. They do. They just got to rattle off more wins.

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just the homecoming. It's always good to be back in your town. I do have a bad. Start it off. Start off the bad. Well, hold on, Mitch, do you have any good? I guess our good was being able to come back Saturday night and just have fun Saturday night and go out. Oh, boo's bag, Mitchie over there, dude.

Knoxville was a time on Saturday night. Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't stay, Mitch. I don't know why anyone... Yeah, I think he had some boys in town or something like that. They were... Yeah. A little houseworm party. They were going to get wild at.

You better to say nasty again. I was about to. I kind of want to eliminate it from my verbiage right now. It's too much. Yeah, we say it a lot. It's a great word, but it is too much. Jackie, start us off with the bad, brother. This is in no way, shape, or form me coming at you,

but this has to be talked about the bad. Trying to get working class Americans to pay a millionaire's fines on Twitter. That's not a good look. I'm sorry. If the 49ers fan base is the fan base, is the fan base they claim to be. I think they have no problem all donating a dollar.

And I think I'm doubling down and I have no problem with that. George Kittle, I think he signed like a Chubby's contract is like 2.5 million for this year. Next. And in California, that's 52% that's gone.

But it just, to me, that's a lot of money. A dollar? No, $13,000. Yeah, you're right.

As a whole, it's a lot. But if you have... You're going to ask people who pay every single week who spend their harder money to come watch you play to then now pay more money because you wore a t-shirt that said fuck Dallas no i'm gonna ask people to pay for somebody else not for me i'm just saying georgie's a boy he's a heart and soul of that team why not just throw a dollar

in for the guy see that they can cook up and then if you're a 49ers fan base and let's say you get 14 000 fans to go sit there and put in a dollar now you can sit there and be like look how big of a fan base we are look how look what we've done Cincinnati bank shout at them when they put a go fund me together for DeMarne Hamlin after the game last year. They put in their hard hard earned money and they get to put that as a badge of honor for them and they look at us as a fan base as a whole. Look how awesome we are in Cincinnati. Different situations, absolutely. But I think it'd be very cool if 14,000 49ers fans, which is not even a quarter of that stadium puts $1 in, gets the Venmo, the GoFund me going for the boy. I think that's sick. So I'm

about it. I love your bad. I appreciate. appreciate you checking the boy, but $1.00's not a whole lot. Again, not, yeah, not coming to anyone. Also, Dean can come on at 1230. Perfect. Oh, perfect. I love that. Get Dean on some of these calls that need to go.

They need to go Nebraska's way. I think he was only on the Minnesota game. I think they were on Fox. Oh, I do have a bad, though, and it goes down on. You have another bad. I forget his name, the Giants OC, going into the first half last night. That's not, I don't know if that's on him. I have that on my bad as well.

Who's it on, is it on Taylor? What? I was hearing, or just what they were saying, is that Taylor checked it at the line of scrimmage. Okay, I really thought you else were talking. I was like, will we? Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it now.

Yeah, my bad. It's just being an idiot. I think it's just a bad overall. We'll get it. We'll get into that one. I have that one on there. I was wondering, Jackie, why you pulled up my Twitter. I saw you see that thing.

Yeah. And in my head, I was like, I didn't talk about the weekend. Then I had that little weekend post about Bet the Bus. I said, oh, he might be popping that up for a cliff later. And little did I know. Or, uh, would you go 401 and one? Yeah, one pushes to win. 4-1-1. Yep.

You don't lose money. No. No. We took the over two in that push, so technically 5-0-1. Not the Oregon lost by three in the line. There was their underdogs by three. Did you put six picks in Bethlehurst? I did say, I think I said in the show that I was going over as well.

I don't know if, I don't think it was in there in the graphic. You picked the spread and over in one of the games. It had to be Oregon. I think Oregon Washington was one we thought was a pretty spicy over. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, so 5-0-1. And the over in the North Carolina Miami game also hit. Which I believe you suggested as well.

Hey, Mitch is... We might be 6-0-1. Mitch is 3-0 on his last three overs. Being like, hey, I don't know if the spreads of the move this week, but I think the over's a lot. He's 3-0 in his last 3. You know what I'm noticing in gambling? This is my first year, obviously, jumping into it.

Overs hit hard in college football. A fast and often. And the unders hit hard in the under. NFL. I was 4 and O in our pump and dump and Vegas starts to catch on. Like some of these lines will start getting moved to where it's like

oh man I need these schools to score over 69 points now. Yeah. Maybe yeah. We'll see as it develops a little bit more into the 69. Nice. And now because I was thinking the same thing with the NFL I was like,

man, I need to start getting in on some of these unders, man. Right. Because I'm like, I know they're going to catch on. It's going to be like overrunners is going to be like 41 and a half. Well, dude, I had two unders that were 41 and a half and they all hit.

both hit. I both I'll jump into my bad my bad the 49ers against the Browns. They should have walked away with that game. I know Debo got hurt. I know Christian McCaffrey got hurt, but you got to feed kid a one catcher at one reception. Like let that boy eat a little

bit. That's tough. Titans during international games. They're 0 and 2. It's not only was that game abysmal, but it was boring as fuck to watch. It was just like damn, boys. Like, you just want so badly for them to just crush it just there's just little mistakes.

Kyle Phillips, love Kyle Phillips to death, but like one second left in the half, you just got to let that ball go away. And obviously it's so much easier to set than done situational stuff. You're there. You just want to catch it and have it be good. But like, damn,

because let's say that ball does go on the one. A roll to the one. Yeah, stop it. Now you have to do a push-type of situation to even, you know, get into the half. You can't take a knee because it'll be a safety. But that's, um, that's it. Anyway, more bad.

The interns talking me into chiefs over with their silver tongue. They put out some. really good, some really well-said stats at me. I was going to take Chiefs under. I ended up taking the over and it didn't hit on slips of picks 500. The flight attendant that went to hand me my snacks on my third flight of the day and wouldn't extend her arm past the aisle row. I was sitting in the window seat.

And she's like snacks. I was like, yeah, she would love some snacks. And I go to put my hand out halfway, I'm halfway through the middle seat over my daughter's face. And she like held it there. She went TX arm. She went TX arm. And I, it was a good enough time where I was like, are you going to put your arm out?

And she just looked at me with a devious look. And I was like, I had to do the, like I had to almost pulled the lat trying to get the snack away. So that's, that's bad ball. That's bad ball. And then Tampa Bay's record when they're in the cream school uniforms. That's, what, the flight attendant thing?

I know. The flight attendant one smells like white privilege, but. She was white. I know, you are. brother, I told you I'm 35% Mexican. But you also, dude, you need to, like, we all have jobs to do, right? And we all have a great relationship back there. But if something was slipping, we would be able to have the dialogue,

be like, hey, you got to be better at X, Y, and Z. Same thing goes for me. If you guys, I need to do something better. As a flight attendant, dude, you are. It's customer service. Your customer service. You're not, you're the safety, the customer service. You are the show when you're 30,000 feet in the air.

You come out, brother. You should be dishing things out, be like, Oprah. Hey, everybody, look under your chair. Oh, snacks. Like that's what you're fucking looking for. Oh, that's your pamphlet. Can you? Are you good on this emergency exit row?

Yes. Verbal yes from you. Thank you, sweetie. Thank you, sweetie. Boom, boom, boom. Spice it up. Charm. That's what you want with your flight attendants.

Now, you can be having a tough day. I get it. We've all had it. But I'm sitting on my third flight and I'm going my 12 hours into this traveling. I am the customer. I am the customer. And for that reason. For that reason, honey, you've made it on my, my bad list.

But the cream single uniform record is. 20 oh sorry oh and 24 are they oh i thought they've won one time oh in 24 because i want to say i'm gonna mitchy stats i saw a clip from uh like levante talking about how he's you know he's before the game started he was proud to be part of the only team that's won in a cream sickle unit i mean they have moral the story oh maybe it's three one part of the one winning season with uh i thought you're saying just overall them ever wearing overall they're they are not good at all.

The first three seasons. The stat was the first three seasons they ever wore them. They were 0-26. If those, it's funny too because those uniforms, I look at those uniforms as their alternate scale, oh, those are dope. If those were their everyday uniforms, though,

they would be ugly uniforms. And that's the fun thing about alternative uniforms. I do like that. Like the Steelers bumblebees, those are hideous. Because they wear it once, if you're a player wearing them, like, oh, it's kind of sick,

we're wearing these, even though everyone looks like assing them. Yeah. Big Cat, he had a funny thing last week. he was saying like cream circle unies are like where you're like oh sick like hell yeah and then you see the team going out on the field and you're like ah this doesn't look very tough this doesn't look very good we're about to get our ass whooped yeah i like that did you want to hit your bad yeah i can hit my bad did you want to touch any of my bed i don't think so i felt like we touched

i felt like we hit the beds we hit the beds what was your last bad the chair the cream scicles yeah yeah Titans in londin two and four going into a bye week i think yes all the the Titans are 0 and 2 in London. That first game in London was like, the boys went for two at the end and didn't get it. Very different type of loss yesterday. I did.

I thought that they were flat. They were like, oh for on third down going into halftime. And I'm thinking, like, you know, VRAVE's just like, you know, we're going to find out. We're going to find out who loves football in the second half.

Make a decision. Like, here's the bad news. It doesn't get any worse than what just happened. The good news, you're only down 15. You guys can decide. Yeah. And kind of like walk out, like one of those types of sports. Right.

And then you know, KB. and Jeff. Yeah, yeah, trying to rally the boys. Yeah, rally the boys. Anthony Richardson injury, the boy might be out for an extended period of time. I think that is not good in Indianapolis. Some are calling it season ending. Yeah, I know, because I think he's got like six opinions and, you know, some of the big

dogs that they're, you know how that stuff gets. Like, once you get a couple, once you get a couple opinions, they're kind of like, hey, you should get surgery, like looking out for your best interest. It's kind of an unbiased opinion versus like the team saying, hey, you know, you could maybe play through this. Like, if you're a young cat, especially Anthony Richardson, he's going to be a franchise name for the end of time. Like, if it's me and it's up for debate, six opinions,

and a couple are telling you to get surgery, me personally, hindsight 20-20, your boy's getting the surgery. Yeah. You got to get the surgery. But I think that's a tough spot to be in for the Colts. I think Minchew, he's a stud, but I don't think, like, I don't think that they can,

I think their playoff hopes dwindle without Anthony Richardson. Yeah, because with Gardner, Minchew, you think Jacksonville is going to be a redemption game for him. That's the reason why I went Colts up. plus four and a half on slips and picks. And it's like, if he's going to show he's a dude. Yeah. Take it out on the team that, inevitably said, you're not our guy.

Right. You know? That's a good point. And I think right now it's like you got the Jags and Houston looking like the two teams coming out of the South. They need to be part of the good as well. Yeah. They're boring.

Everybody said was dead, including myself. And CJ even tried to throw a pick. And then they stripped him and got the ball back. Right, right. I did have one more good. I forgot about my good. My other good, it was going to be my nuts. That's why I kept bringing it up was you, Delaney and Jersey Jerry,

making a quick pivot and getting the podcast done last week. Yeah, that was like literally saw Jerry in the hallway and I was like, hey, would you mind? I know we're talking. We're talking, you know, can't, no spoilers. Right. Do you mind going in and doing this bus with me? And he was like, yeah, I'm down, whatever you want. No, you guys want.

I watched it. You guys did a great job. So that was one of my kids. And Delaney was on a little bit of a lag on the Zoom. And so there are times where I'm like, you say something, you just wait for a second to know, like, you know, Should I be keeping an energy? Do I need to fall back? And like, hopefully somebody comes in and says something

because it was a, we threw that thing together. We threw that thing together. I saw that the boys, you guys did a good job. I didn't watch the tail end of it. But I was like, I think you guys might see a post show because we missed on a couple segments we had to hit on. But yeah, that was a team effort. That was a team effort.

Good team efforts. That's a shout to all the boys, man. That's awesome. My final bad, the SEC is bad this year. You know what I'm going to say that? No, hold on. Hold on. can we do can we jump into that bottom one you got right there on the list uh jack

throw that bring that up and i'll i'll spice it up with that one because that can be one we talk about all right my my final bad is going to be my overly direct take presented by direct tv is the ultimate destination for pro football it's where fans get their football fixed throughout the season whether you're watching games live on tv or streaming app direct tv has you covered You can get DirecTV without a satellite. Stop compromising. Start watching football. Call 1-800 direct TV.

And here is my overly direct take. And it's in my bad category. The SEC is bad this year. The SEC is bad this year. Outside of Georgia. And by the way, Georgia only beat Vanderbilt by 17 points. And Vanderbilt is a bottom-of-the-barrel team. I thought it was 11.

I thought it was 312. I thought it was 37-20. That's an easy 1-7. Like that's a close. Yeah, that's an easy little deal. Because I actually watched the highlights of that game. Vanderbilt scored first. And then I think they scored like a bunch unanswered.

Where's that? Where's Vanderbilt at? 3720. Either way, 17 points. Like, they don't cover like this is a bottom of the barrel team. And if you look at the records and who's performing well, the second best team in the SEC could arguably be Mizzou. And Mizzou is a big 12 team.

Like, let's not get it twisted. Mizzu's a big 12 team. And if you look at the parody in the SEC this year, Alabama being your second best team highly ranked, barely beats Arkansas, and that's a bottom. This is a two and five Arkansas team. Like, this is not a good Arkansas team. That is my hot take.

South Carolina, giving up. They should have beat Florida, for the love of God. They should be Florida. They should be Georgia. Yeah. But I digress. That is my take. The SEC is bad this year.

Did you also see this is a right before we came on, Brock Bowers, tied in for Georgia stud, possible season ending. He's having ankle surgery. No. All year. I did see. Awesome. Tennessee.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we got to be careful on rooting on somebody getting hurt because... I'm not rooting on. I know, but being there's a strictly Tennessee. Yeah, yeah. And I'm, because trust me, when I saw... He's a fucking stud. He's a stud.

He's a stud. He's a stud. He's probably the past tied into the eight in college football. And you remember us being up in the suite with them boys being like that boy right there. That's the boy that keeps all the boys and shit. I was like, I don't like the way you're saying it, but you're saying it's a little strong. Yeah, you're saying a little strong. But, but dude, because the reason why I say we got to be, we got to be careful about that is, is I thought

the same thing. I was like, oh, that's really good for Michigan. They go and play. Because he, only because, like, he's one of the best offensive players in the country. Like, all around offensive players, like, one of the best. He might be Kyle Pitts level drafted. That's how good he is. First round, yeah. A good NFL tied in, you know what I mean? Yeah, but, you know, I don't know, is Kyle Pitts not good, or is he just not being utilized correctly by Arthur Smith? I don't know. I've saw some. I've saw some tape that you would think that I think Big Cat,

he was saying like he's just out there doing cardio but then I saw a tape get put together on him trying to create separation you saw the same one Mitch maybe it was a lot was it I don't know if there's always Rolofsky there was just a great going around where it's like let's look at all the highlights of Pitts this year because everybody thinks like they're just being under utilized he just wasn't getting separation he wasn't getting open like guys glued to him he just wasn't it didn't look like Kyle Pitts that everybody thinks that Kyle Pitts is looking like out there didn't he hurt his knee a couple years ago and he got knee surgery I'm not sure Because I think they're saying like something is not right with him because the way he was running like pre-surgery and post-surgery is completely different.

Yeah, he's just not getting what are these just highlights of him? Yeah, just from yesterday. But he got, we got a good ball game yesterday, right? This is his name? Brock Powers. Brock Powers. What a name? I know.

And dude, he's, and he's got the stuff, dude, he's got athleticism, he's got good receding hairline. He's got good ball skills. Like he's really got all the things you need in like when you're looking at a gritty white dude. That's going to. Rex Verkhead. Yeah. Got all the stuff that you need. Exactly.

More upside. Not a shot at Rex. Just Rex was a six rounder, I think. Or fifth round or six rounds. And he really is like, like Ben Jones, who obviously is a Georgia Bulldog, Georgia Bulldog legend. He, there was that six, eight dude that was hitting the sled in the combine or whatever, looking like an absolute unit who was their tied end. And he was making big time catches.

And Ben's like, this is when this kid's a freshman, this brought kids a freshman. freshman. He's like, that's not even our best tie-end. That kid is going to be so, like, he has been legit since he stepped in Athens, Georgia. I want to say even just him, the rise of him, made one tight-in in that class, transferred to Nebraska. That was the one who did all the robbery stuff. And then I think another tight-in transferred to LSU, like two tight-ins transferred out of there because they probably realized, like, oh, this dude's going to be the dude. Yeah. I love, too, how college players can get away with that much knee being exposed.

It's such a swaggy look. I know. Hey, Jack, what's your thoughts on the, you know, SEC being bad this year? I mean, I don't think they're bad, but they're definitely not good. I also think college football is very weird this year. I like it. I think it's awesome. Yeah, I think there's a lot.

There's not as much of a front runner, which makes it more interesting. Like top 10 teams, all of them have a shot. Like, I think a real shot. Washington is a player, dude. Good ball club. good ball club. Yeah, I think it's good for the whole sport in general

and it gets away from the whole SEC. King, like there's two or three teams in the SEC that they're gonna, you know, that's gonna be one of them or one of the Big Ten teams that come out. I could be...

Did the Big Ten have the best conference? Big Ten, I think right now. Why not? I think it's just weird. Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, all in the top ten. Like, we... All the top five, right?

Big Ten. No, no. I think Penn State might be six. There's six as well. Big Ten East, I think, is the best subdivision. and all of college. Well, either way, the Big Ten has the most teams.

And that's not me saying, our bottom of the barrels, Nebraska, Nebraska. I'm just saying, like, the Big Ten, like any year that the SEC has, like, Bama, like last year, like, Bamma, Tennessee, Georgia, it's like, oh, we have the best conference because you guys have three really good teams that are always in, like, the top seven. And this year, it's the Big Ten. Like, the Big Ten is the team. And if Maryland beat Illinois, like, that would still be, like, Maryland was a player until they dropped one to Illinois.

That's what makes me, like, hopeful, like, oh, man, that's what you. The reason I shook my head was because, like, our bad teams are really, really bad, whereas, like, SEC doesn't necessarily have that. What do you talk about? You got Vanderbilt? You had Arkansas? Vandy? Yeah.

Arkansas almost beat. Almost, but no, it's not almost beat Bama. It's Bama's not nearly as good as they have been in the past. Nearly. Both of what you guys are saying is true, just different ways of phrasing it. Because the SEC privilege. Like, the thought is just, they're always better, like, oh, man, Vandy almost beat Bama. Like, maybe Vandy's spicy this year.

No, they're not. They're not spicy whatsoever. You think like Rutgers. Oh, no. Northwestern. Michigan State, like, they are bad teams. Michigan State is, yeah, that's... Indiana, Purdue.

Illinois's back to being bad again. No, no, yeah, yeah. I'm not arguing that. When was Illinois good? They were good last year. Yeah, they were solid last year. They really were. I promise.

Like, we want a lot of bets with them last year. They were good on defense and they had a good run game. The, like, yes, Michigan. And specifically... to make it, to make everybody feel better, the Big Ten East is the best subdivision, which I think makes the conference, the best conference in football right now.

The only way, the only way for that to truly hold is one of those teams need to win the national championship this year. One have to win the Natty, and Big Ten has to take care of business in both season. Yeah.

Because SEC, even as bad as we're like, okay, they're kind of average this year. Like, you could look at Big Ten. Let's just say Pac-12. Let's say Pac-12, one, then Big Ten would be two, because SEC, is in the arguable realm of three

out with like the Big 12 but I think they're better in the Big 12 or the ACC you got the ACC to take into account but I think those are who's debating there but it's all about bowl season like as average as the SEC can look if they take care of business in bowl season

which years past they do come back that's where it hurts us but right now I love where the Big Ten is sitting Jack Jack Surge the SEC has eight teams with at least five or more wins the Big Ten and only has six. But

SEC playing against each other. Yeah, we have, Big Ten's got a tough conference this year. Doug? That's crazy. Like, you're looking at Nebraska, a perennial team in the Big Ten West

and Michigan house some 457. But Nebraska might be there at the end. Like, that's a tough conference top to bottom now that I'm talking, now that I'm talking myself into it. But Jack did point out while you were talking a sad thing

at the bottom of the S. East. Look at who's second of the last? Michigan. With the East, Michigan State? Oh, SEC East. South Carolina. Yeah. Well, yeah, they've dropped the ball.

Like, they've lost games. They should not be losing. And if you're going to say, oh, Arkansas almost beat Bama, it's like Illinois beat Maryland. And Maryland was undefeated until they played Ohio State. It's like that's the same exact kind of conversation. Okay, okay. All good arguments.

I'll go from nine down to five. now play devil's advocate to you will you could just say that the SEC as a whole is just better and that's where the games are closer you could you could just say that because they're there and I don't agree with what I'm saying

I am however someone listening who's an SEC fan might be bringing this up yelling at their screen right now the bottom tier SEC might be better this year than it has been years past and that's why these you know perennial you know national champion contender teams are having a harder time.

You're right. Yeah, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arkansas. You guys are, you guys are, you know, you guys are helping move the needle for the SEC. Taylor, you're sitting in the driver's seat. You need to argue the top of the big 10 is the best top. Oh, I agree with that. But I'm saying as far as this is. I'm playing the Dennis Kelly.

Yeah, but for us to team up and then you let me do the middle and the bottom, I'll take care of the rest. You just spout off. We got the best. We're the best at the very top. Yeah, okay. All right. Big 10's got the best top 13.

Yeah, yeah. In the college football. Like Georgia, I think Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan, right now on paper is beating Georgia, all three of them. I think especially if Brock Bowers is out, dude. Georgia is in so much trouble. Because South Carolina, dude, we were at that game. And Athens wasn't as loud as people said. It wasn't as rowdy as people said.

It was very cool being around the hedges. But it wasn't the expectation I had for SEC football. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that one. Now, we got to get there to a Tennessee. game, man. I know, dude. I know. Hey, I'm dead ass. Like, that's, that's an atmosphere. You'll love the tailgating. People will be, I hey, you look good in orange. They'll fluff your ego a little bit. And then when you get on the field and the checkered board stadium going on, like, it is loud,

bro. Now, I will say this. There are people that work at this shop that said it wasn't as loud as people were saying. It was. That's what I'm hearing. Nope. Are we stalling them out? We stalling them out. I already know who it is, though. Hey, yes. JP. Like I said, I'm stalling it out. I will let you know that that was mentioned to me about the loudness of that stadium.

There's so many haters in the shop. The negativity is out of control. Negativity, I literally, right before we got in the bus, I was like, hey, Vegas next week, and you go, I guess, that's negativity. And I'm thinking to myself, oh, the brotherly duo is out of it again.

We're going out west. I did not say that I was not part of that clan. I, yes, hating is... You might be the leader. No, but I'll jump on the positive train, too. I feel like it was a very loud game. Out of the three I've been to, Ole Miss, Florida, Tennessee last year...

You was Ole Miss? I went to Ole Miss two years ago, when they're throwing this stuff on the field. I'm talking... I'm talking they had, like, they were like Philly fans, but college level to where they were rowdy, they were ready to destroy

Ole Miss and Kiff and being there. That, when I stood there, because two years ago, that was the whole, three-win team. Maybe we had just went to Nebraska or maybe they were about to play like Michigan. It's like, hey, we actually have a shot. And I'm as proud as ever about Nebraska. Still am, obviously, but I've had to create, you know, I've had to remain optimistic. But that, at that time, I would have just died on the hill being like, no, there's nothing touching it. When I was standing

there for that Ole Miss game, I was like, this is a level of loudness that is, it's awesome. The violent loudness, the violence in the loudness. ears loud. Florida was really loud. A&M was probably number three. But when it was close in like the first quarter, I mean, really the first half was close. The stadium, to your point, when talking about Nebraska, that third one on that second drive or whatever, Tennessee, they are playing that element of being loud, like when their team

needs them to. Like, it was a fun atmosphere to be in. I love that. Yeah, because that was, I know we talked about it before with the Nebraska thing, but I was like, I remember being there in 2012 in that night game. And it literally was- You've got to use like hand signals to communicate. You were literally talking to your guy.

I got the, why does we have whatever you're doing? Like you're literally just hoping to God that the person next to you knows what they're doing. Yeah. And vice versa, obviously. And I sat there and I was like, damn, like it really wasn't like that because you're packing the stadium. No, you're right. When I was standing there, you even made that comment. And I was like, I wasn't going to, I didn't at all play the side of like, oh, no, they'll get loud.

I was just like, dude, I know. Like when you needed them to be loud as shit, they were not being loud as shit. Because Kenny Bell brought up a point. He's like, I want them to take that down. And it was the banner that said, you know, this many games sold out record or whatever. And I was like, brother, you can't. Like, that is our thing right now.

Like, that's what you have to hang your head on this program. Yep. But those fans are holding on by a thread. Holding on by a thread, baby. If we die, we die. All right. We should get into the ugly. If we die, we die.

Let's get into the ugly. Yeah, the ugly. Do you want me to rat or are you? Who went last? I might have went last in the bad. Oh, hold on. I just got a text for S&P 500. Hold on.

8 and 5 going to Monday night football. 8 and 5. The ugly. Sorry. The poo that gets you beat. Malik Willis's awareness. Tyrod Taylor checking to a run before halftime. Ritter throwing three interceptions because I actually believe, and I hate doing this because

I know he's a young QB and stuff like that. I love Coach Smith. But I do think Heineke wins that game if he's playing. And then going slow in the fast. lane. I was driving, I was driving to the bus today, and there was a car in the, we're talking a four-lane highway. There was a car in the left lane that there was five of us in a row right behind him. And it's like, dog, get the fuck over. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. That's that's, I've never been so on the same level of you as right now. Trust me. Like, I know when you got to play, you know,

there's four lanes. You're in the left lane and you got, and you can't look in the mirror and see you got cars behind you like get the fuck over that's the shit to get you beat maybe killed in some instances absolutely yeah um hey all solid uh my ugly uh colorado's second half just i cannot fucking believe that bro colifrado i cannot believe that because when i when i saw that bet i was like man plus 10 and a half is dead Stanford plus 10 and a half i like that is so dead and then they won I you I think, man, we should have took money line. Triple O T, right? It was triple O T?

Yes. I thought that was wild. Doing a podcast with individuals and talking as if you played an international game that you never talked in, but you, for whatever reason, have believed it and you actually live that life and you have, like, actual stories that never really happened. What happened there? You don't remember? Last week on the podcast, you were talking to Delaney and Georgia Jerry about the time you went

over with the Titans to play the Chargers. Yeah, but I... Right, right, right. I pulled from that so I didn't deviate and talk about my time in Washington because I went over there. Same exact time frame in Washington. Is that issue as you beat, CTE? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

And Delaney, and Delaney, I think Delaney was kind of talking about it and just kind of played into the fact that maybe I might have been over there, but maybe I just talked into it. That was the time where I'm like, him being on Zoom, I'm just like rolling with the punches because we went over on a Thursday, too, to where it was like, I can't remember if that's what we were talking about or not. I bet you Delaney didn't even pick up on that because on slips and picks last week, we were talking about Josh Dobbs

and I was like you know people are saying he's the best he's the best quarterback in Tennessee volunteer history in the NFL he's like oh really I didn't know that I'm like getting like Peyton Manick yeah yeah yeah but we yeah we just get bullied um all right more ugly James Winston's pump up speech to Alvin Kamar

on the sidelines during the game yeah that fucking the character just James being James it's like you love it but like that shit you're getting beat literally and I I bet the way Alvin Kamar was looking at him you're like he's no fucking way I loved even how Alvin

Kamara's like response to him like he kind of did the yeah yeah it's just right he gets all animated boom boom yeah uh jalen hurts three interceptions and actually should have had four interceptions the last drive in that two minute when they're trying to go down it was like fourth and ten or whatever and he launched it and the db should have picked it off uh george kittle one reception for one yard i don't think that's on kittle whoa she think it's you beat george yeah i don't think that's on kiddle I think that's on the coaches. Like when you see CMC and Debo Samuel out, you literally got to go.

Him. That's the guy we need to feed the rest of this game. He's a spark plug. He's energy. Feed him the ball over and over again. Let him get the fuck after it. So I think that shit gets you beat. And it actually did get you beat.

My last one, going back to my flights, the 10-year-old kid putting his seat back, sitting in an economy seat in front of me, and his parents looking over, noticing me, looking back at me and saying nothing. That shit will get your fucking ass beat, dude. You know, I literally,

I put the, I did the knee, I did like the double knee feminine tuck like this and I pressed it as I felt him looking for the, I saw him looking for the little circle to press it and go back and I could feel the kid doing that.

And eventually it's like his his want is more than mine. His why is bigger than mine when it comes to defending this seat. He wanted it more than you. Hit it and then I had to hit the leg spread apart and then the dad and I was a loud noise when I did the leg spread

apart in the dad, like, looks at his son and looks back at me, and I kind of give him the, and he just looked back and focused the rest of the flight. And I thought, hey, get your boy. No, you know me on flights. Yeah, I am submissive on those flights. Like, yo, just get me to where I'm going. If that was you, you'd be having a little kid, hey, you get your son, you get your son to move that up a little bit?

That's ridiculous. Or he looks back like, oh, you, you can't. I'm not looking over like, man, that's a lot of real estate. Can't come to take it easy? Sir, do you mind putting that in a third? Yeah, yeah. That shit was... Kind of just told the ball in his court

and see what he does with it. Then if he doesn't do nothing, you're kind of thinking... Just more mad. All right, bitch. That would just make me more mad. If I took the time to say something to somebody, like, hey, could you please tell your son?

And he's like, no. Like, and then the lady comes over and hands me the snack half ass. I might take the whole plane down. That's what I'm saying. You might have to beat the dad's ass. If he looks at you and looks away and you're like, hey, you know, what we doing here?

Dude, I saw this video of this guy on a bike going across a bridge the other day and the guy like gets like he's riding his bike and there's a kid walking and the guy like kind of moves the bike kind of like shoves the kid out of the way and the dad's filming the video and for whatever reason that that video was in my head

like the whole time I was in the airport with wind just thinking like you know those little carts are driving by people are in rushes like a and I literally was like I would legit fight somebody if they did that to my daughter and it's just like ma'am yeah so anyway anyway

coming at somebody's kid I feel like that's just a quick way for dads to get fired up. Yeah, you know, sometimes you need to get checked. That'll get you running hot. You know, it keeps you running smooth and cool. Dude. Canon, descent of all trophy games was created with support from Bustin with the boys and Duke Cannon to create a thick body wash and a big-ass brick of soap.

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And he had a trophy game in that. No mention of the Bustin Bowl, though. You don't mention your ad read about the Buston Bowl right there. You said trophy games, rivalries, especially when you get to November or December, I thought. Just because, only because the game had passed. Like if I'm still saying, yeah, it was created for the Buston Bowl and just about the Bustin Bowl. But to get people like, hey, if your rivalries elsewhere, not Michigan, Nebraska.

If your rivalries elsewhere, this soap is for you. And also be a part of that robbery. Yeah, be a part of that. rapper. It does kind of stink that bust some blows and take a place. Like that's a public thing. Yeah, it bothers me. Here's what bothers me in the world of University

of Michigan right now is they play two trophy games since the Michigan- Nebraska game and both their social media has posted about the Brown Jugger and they're now posting about Paul Bunyan. So there's no love. There's no post of like trophy game, Nebraska, which I get. And we've talked about

how that becomes more of a rivalry. We've talked about it. And the best wait for that to happen is if the Big Ten West, you said it's wide open. I pray to God that Nebraska can win the Big Ten West. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be hype. That would be so hype. Do you imagine?

Obviously, I'll find it. We would go to the Big Ten Championship in Indianapolis. I know. We would go to that and watch. And that'd be like, hey, Buss and Bowl 2.0. Two point, we're back. I'll give the, we die, we die speech. Yeah.

Yeah. It's so funny to that. You bring that up. The social media, people on social media are so stupid sometimes. Like you, the coach rule, his speech he gave to Nebraska, I thought was electric. It wasn't quite Will Compton-esque, but it was electric. And then you put the whole, if we die, we die speech, you gotta love this. And some guys like pretty wild that you'd say if you die, you die, it's just a game bowl,

that bullshit. I'm like, those dudes are so corny, bro. Dude, corny as fuck. It's like, obviously. But we talked about in the past, like, there was a time where you and I'd be like, if we die in the football field, good. Yeah, yeah. Peel me off. Yes.

And that's like, again, it doesn't matter to me if everybody understands that. Like, it's, you're in those moments and you know you understand all of the work you've put in to get to a high level, high stakes, high pressure game. And you're, you know, your coach is giving you a speech. And people be, oh, that's not my tone. That's not my style. Yada yada. Dude, when anybody drops a line like that and you're in that full moment together and it's just if we die, we die, like, Like, there'll be something that's like, I'm not dying, which is, it's funny to think about all the different dynamics, but I know for me, my meatheadedness, oh, like, look to you and like, kill me on the field if that's, if that's how I need to go.

God, if this is it, take me out. Yeah. Like, take me out, throwing my body into somebody on defense. Like, throw myself into an oversized left tackle and let me go right there if your will be done. Like, people don't get, like, there is a, there is those few that, that's all I cared about was a few. And Kevin Duran even quote tweeted. It was like, this is it. Like, and that's all you need.

Yeah, I know. And that's all you need is, like, there's just so, there's that small percentage that's like, I vibe with that. And that's all you care. By everybody else, it's like, you just don't, you don't give it. And it's okay. I know. I think that's the problem, though.

But it's okay. One thing you learn about, especially if you're in the locker room and you like to spend time with a bunch of groups, like it's not clicking. You're around, kind of around everybody. You start to get a sense of what dudes that are into speeches like that and the dudes that aren't. And a lot of times you catch yourself in hype situations, thinking about the dudes that are into it and being like, I feel like I'm kind of lame.

But really, you gotta be like, if that gets you going at all, buy into that. There's not a feeling. There's not, dude, putting on a motivational YouTube video while you're in the sauna or grabbing some conditioning or getting a pump in

or going to play a football game or you're at halftime and you're putting something on and you got that thing that motivates you that might be corny to some people, the goosebumps you get and the willingness to go and run through a brick wall after that it's so hard to replicate. You're juicing me upright.

Because you're right, it's like, there are people like that. And again, it's like everybody, everybody has to retire at some point. And some of those, it's in high school, some of it's earlier than that, because whether skill, whatever God bless you with, whatever it may be, you had to stop sooner. So immediately you're trying to find all the things that get you maybe out of that mindset because you wish you could be there or not. I'm not saying that it's like shots.

But at the end of the day, the way you're juicing me up is like, not everybody's going where you're going. Not everybody's trying to get to where you're trying to get to. And you've got to become delusional in that. And you know all the work you put into something. It's like, who are these people that kind of take that away from that type of thing? In the world of football posturing, it's so easy to get lost in the opinions of others. But when you take the moment to be like, this juices me up and this gets me going,

it doesn't matter. It could be the most random shit. Like Miles Garrett, he's into the Dragon Ball Z type stuff. That gets him going. thinking about him going super saying and Goku. It's like, if that's your thing, use it, take it and you, this, like, bring it with you. Because there's going to be a handful of guys you didn't even recognize being like, yo, that shit's hype as fuck. That shit gets me going too.

And that's a foundational piece to a friendship that is so special. Yeah. So special. And you're grabbing something you didn't. And I will say this. 80% of the individuals that thought, oh, that shit's lame were the dudes that didn't play. That didn't, that had an excuse. Coach didn't like me.

parents that made me do X, Y, and Z. And don't be like that. Or they didn't play sports. Don't be a guy that's a, yeah, but I'm more talking about in locker room, which you're absolutely right. And if you don't, if you don't play sports, it's hard, it's hard to really understand. But like, there's nothing wrong with being obsessed. There's nothing wrong.

And the minute you're okay with, the minute you're okay with people knowing that you're obsessed with the craft, that is when you take off in this guy. Because then it's like, I don't care anybody else thinks about that. I am so solely focused on this. No matter how big or small of the accomplishment is from a monetary value, that if it gets your fucking juices going, then brother take it. You're run with it. Sports, anything else.

Like in my brain, I'm obviously talking about football and blah, blah, but like if you have something else, God, that shit gets you fired up. Because of the group chat, like one of my Husker group chats, we're all in our 30s now. They're like, comp, are you being serious here? Are you exaggerating? And I'm like a little bit of both.

Like, I know we're in our 30s now and I'm done playing football. So some of it, some things you can look at antics-wise where you're like, man, I can't believe I was brain. I was brainwashed by that. But you guys, we've all like sat there and been in those moments where you're just so hype. And whether or not you think it's like a, again, like a cornyness or whatever. But that corny, that cornyness just drops a gym, drops a line in that moment. Like, you're ready to go. So I was like, yeah, a little bit of both.

But you guys know, like, I was always willing to die when Beau would give a speech. Yeah. Because you're just like in it. You're in it with the boys. You're in it. And yeah. And I feel like a defense mechanism for so many people when it comes to sports and like getting out of sports, one thing that people do is they like try to push it, push away their past.

I'm like, ah, that shit was lame. That shit was. You make an excuse to say, oh, this was not that great because what I'm doing now is so much better. It's way easier to appreciate what you've done. A way easier appreciate and understand the person you were then, maybe not be the same now. But if you're if you're having a, if you find passion in that, then it's okay. Hey, dude, speak it, brother. speaking, because that shit is,

nothing gets me more fired up than a motivational video. And I would sit there sometimes and be like, I'd be playing it and I wouldn't have headphones. And then somebody walking, I'd quickly put it away. I'd be like, I'm lame as fuck for that. You know,

knowing what I know now. I turn that shit up and just stare at the person and be like, we're fucking going today, brother. Anyway, dude, let's hit some twisted question. After that, we're going to do the poopiest moment.

Oh, we can talk about the shittiest moment. We'll do that with Blondino. We got Blondino coming. Blanino's going to zoom in. We're going to ask him some questions because he's, because he's been in some tight calls, and we love to catch up with the boy

because he is, I think he's working with Fox Sports now because they saw his appearance on the Buston Beer Olympics. Yeah, it had to have. Literally, Boston, if you look at Buston with the boys, it's a gateway for the rest of the world.

Who's the girl that hit up George Kittle? Oh, uh, Dula Lippa. Duolipa. Oh, yeah. If you're, if George Kittl's not on the podcast, does that ever happen? Obviously, he's married to a wonderful woman.

They have a great relationship, but I am also saying, Hey. You know, people notice. People notice. Dig's got a pick. Diggs got an interception. Right after you came on busting with the boys.

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twisted question... There's a couple here, aren't there? Well, we're going to start with this one, and then we're going to go in... I love it, because I do love... I love spooky season. Our twisted question this week, if you were trapped in a haunted house with only one horror movie character to help you survive, who would you choose? I'll tell you what, man. I know what you're going to go with.

Who? OG. There are other players in the mix. There are other players in the mix. Let's talk it out. Let's talk through it. Let's say what we're thinking because nobody wants to listen

to a podcast and no words. Let's, so my, I immediately when I think about a horror movie characters, I go to the original three slasters, which is Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, and Freddie Kruger,

and they can also add leatherface in there too. Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees are very similar. We've had the argument in the past where Jason was created after Michael Myers. And essentially you can just see it's like a super-sized, superhuman version of Michael Myers. So that's them. Here's where I think Freddie Kruger plays a good place.

But he's got his cons as well as he's the only individual that talks out of those four. So you can have some sort of dialogue, communication strategy involved and all that instead of you just coming up with everything. But your boy is really only valuable in the dream world. So you got to hold it down in reality. And then hopefully the killer goes asleep And then he can get their ass. The it clown. Pennywise.

Pennywise is a... Yeah, but here's where Pennywise is not, is, um... It doesn't... Not as fun? No, it's not as fun. But it's where he falls apart is his value and his strength is the belief of fear. It's similar as Freddie Crooker.

So if the individual hunting doesn't fear Pennywise, he shrinks become smaller and that's how you defeat him. The only individual that, really hasn't shown any weaknesses without putting any research into it is Michael Myers. Jason Voorhees, his fear, his crickonite is water.

Freddie Kruger is fire and the fear of children or the fear of, yeah, if fearing him gives him strength, Leatherface really doesn't have any, but he's never been killed like Michael Meyer has and come back. So your frontrunner right now is your OG Michael Myers. That seems like a front runner to me. Do you have any out there that we're not talking about, Jack?

I can look so. Scream? I still. Scream, yeah, but scream. Scream is a human. Most of these killers, they have these, like, child complexes that they all deal with.

So, like, internally, I do feel like they're all deep down. Have these fears. Vulnerable? Yeah, very vulnerable when you really break them down. That's why I feel like Pennywise could be a sneaky one. I'm gonna, I'm rocking with Michael Myers just because his sneakiness.

Yeah. Like, number one, I'm going to feel like I'm by myself anyway. But right when I'm about to get killed, the boy's going to pop out and put a knife in somebody's neck. And think about this, too, is in all the movies, you talk about childhood, traumas, all that. Never once, except for the ending of Halloween ends, which I just, we will, we won't even, we're going to completely ignore that. We're never talking about that movie. Though all of the movies, all of the recreations, the other directors that did it, Michael Myers is described as the, the epitome of pure evil. Yeah.

where there is no emotion, there's no negotiation, there's nothing that you can beat him with with like a certain element, whether it's wind, fire, any of that stuff, water like Jason Borges, to give you being like,

okay, like this is the guy that, if he's truly on your side, there's not a whole lot of people that can take you out. Jucky would be a motherfucker, dude. Yeah, but I just don't. Yeah,

is he bringing his girl with him? Is he bringing his girl? We're talking OG without the girl, bro. Yo, Chucky could be a little, little bastard in the house. Gigsaw might be. He's going to be up there playing that God's hand, just like on the speakers.

Fair? That's fair, but to play devil's advocate to that, he's out there from his ivory tower doing whatever he wants, I'm boots on the ground. And I'm a little less scared when I got a partner. I got a partner in crime with me,

like with me in the room. And I can just hear him over the microphone of this haunted house being like, hey, we're going to play a game with them. You got the creeper from Jeepers creepers. That's a good one. That's a good one.

You better hope to God at springtime. though because he only comes out every 27 years during the spring. So that's jeepers, creepers thing. Here's one to think about too. Are we allowed to count like Predator? That's a good one as well. Predator and alien. Technically that would qualify as a spook based on past conversations we've had on this bus.

Predator would be the warrior of the galaxy. What is his Crypto Night? They can just be killed. Like, what they do is like they put mud on themselves. like camouflage because this whole thing is him being invisible. Yeah. And they'll like do things like in one of the predators, they literally cover themselves in mud.

So they're like, Arnold, the original, Arnold Schwarzenegger is covering himself in mud because he realizes like, oh, it's just all thermal that he's seeing. Yeah. Hannibal Lecter would be solid too. He's a strategic serial killer. So he would have like an understanding of what to do and how to do it. But I think that's more of a disposal of body than it would be the actual murder.

Yeah. I, dude. Yeah, it might be predator. Oh, really? Predator might be the one. I mean, think about it. Michael Myers, I mean, yeah, he's demonic, but he's dumb. Like, he's going to pop up and Predator's going to do his thing where he zaps me and then zaps him unless I just become Arnold Schwarzenegger. I would have to win the game.

Yeah, but I don't, there's nothing that shows me that Michael Myers is dumb. Other than probably the education system he went through through his lifeboard. He's going to mud himself up and... No, but I think how many times have we seen Michael Myers get killed, shot, stabbed, and live and keep moving forward because he's essentially a demonic being. And when we're having the conversation about predator, predator can be killed. I ask, what's their cryptic?

It's like, oh, they can actually just be killed. So if you're, are we facing another horror villain? Well, yeah, what was the initial question, Ian? This is a fun conversation. If you had to pick one to survive in a haunted house, like, which one would you choose to, like, help you get in a house? Yeah, but who's getting us? A haunted house?

Or we're talking about entities then? Like a polter guy? Are we talking about one demon? Are we talking about conjuring? Trapped in a haunted house. Have you said, hang on, hang on. Have you seen Predator? I have.

I've seen, like, not in depth, but I've seen the movies. Yeah, you need a, like, Predators. Predator is him. Yeah, and I know he's got the dreads. He's got the, yeah, they have the little mouth that opens with the mouth that comes out. Like, I, no, the mouth that comes out. That's alien. Oh, that's what I'm picking up.

Now, Predator versus Alien, one created like a super predator alien to where. Maybe that's the guy. It was like predator, and then the mouth comes out. It's like a, yeah, dude. You got to watch the OG. I think you'd really like it. I think a better question might be, who would you pick a movie character?

Who would you pick to defend yourself in a haunted house versus and then you insert a character? Whether it's Predator Michael Myers. Who are you picking? You've just talked about everybody. I know. I think the safest bet is Michael, based on the fact that he can't die.

If he's truly there to protect you, then you can literally just use him as a human battering ram. He's not going anywhere. And like you said, he's going to pop up. There's really no way to kill him. So probably Michael Myers. I just didn't want to do Michael Myers because he is the OG Halloween.

I wanted to get like a little like hipster vibe with you and just pull something out of my ass. Maybe one of the aliens from science. Trapped in a haunted house. You know what thing's trapped in a pantry somewhere. Yeah, maybe like the Annabelle doll. Oh, that would be creepy. Right.

And so I'm saying if you're in a house, that's where I think Chuckie would be a little bastard, dude. Like he'd be he'd be scheming. You know what I mean? like he'd be scheming with you. He'd make you feel like you're going to die. He'd bait you. You'd be the bait for, say,

it's Michael Myers in there, a predator. And then Chucky just comes out of nowhere with his master plan. Is that going to be your answer? Because I'm going to go Michael. I'll rock Chucky, just to be different. Chuckie. Chuckie 1A, 1B, predator.

Really stuck on predator. Yeah, yeah. Mitchie, Jackie. I'm staying with Pennywise totally because if we're in a haunted house, like, that's his bread and butter. Like, that's where fears are created. It's a very good point.

Yeah. in a position to win. I also do think if it's in a haunted house jigsaw, the same kind of situation, he's going to have the layout, he's going to have the needle pit. You know, there's going to be some fucked up stuff that he's putting you through, but I'm saying with Pennywise.

I like that. I like that pick. I'm going to have to go with... No. I saw jaws on that work. Megalodon. Just because the ones... I forget what movie it was, but he was

getting like beat the shit out of and then gets up and it's like fine i mean the first movie he shot five times it falls off a balcony who we so who's he talking about who's he gone michael oh michael okay he just seems invincible so right i'm just gonna go with him that's that's kind of my thing is like there's little there's no way to kill him so like at least i got that guy for me no matter what i loved but you're escaping you're kind of escaping in the haunted house right like it's like if you put a knife in Michael Myers' head and shoot him a few times in the head, like, he'll be down to where it's like, okay, I survived the haunted house.

Yeah, but he won't be down because he always gets back up and you think, oh, it's over because they never truly kill him. And they go, oh, they turn around and then that little bing. Yeah, right, dude, Hollywood. We can talk about the last movie. He got his ass whooped by that dude in the sewer. And then just got carried through town. That shit pissed me on. That was the worst.

It got destroyed. Ever. Like, legit got it. They had him get his ass beat, which I thought. did him such a disservice. So disrespectful. Even more than him getting, yeah, getting his ass beating that sewer,

the biggest disservice to Michael was him teaming up. Because they're like, takes away everything. Fuck him, fuck Michael Myers. I'm out on Michael. For some reason,

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Dean, welcome to Bustin with the Boys. You are. Are we rolling? We're rolling. Go ahead, Willie. We are tuned in with Dean Blandino, known for being the primary referee, the head official of the Bustin with the Boys Beer Olympics,

2023. We're happy to have you, brother. Happy to be here. It's been a minute since we had the Beer Olympics, and I'm excited to reconnect and talk a little ball. Let's talk about beer Olympics for a second. How did you feel about the process of the day? Did you have a good feeling for the rules?

How did you feel about your authority during the whole thing? Give me a bird's eye view of Dean Blanino's day during beer Olympics. I didn't have a lot of confidence going in. I'll be honest. But it was actually really incredible. It was from the rules, from the competition. you guys, let me tell you two are the biggest group of sore losers I've ever met. But you know what?

It was awesome. And what's great is that, you know, a lot of people think there's still people. I think you guys posted something about, you know, how the Beer Olympics allowed me to get a gig on Fox Sports. And there are still people that think that's actually true. No, that is. It doesn't seem like Fox is paying you that well with the decor, with the walls you got back there. Decor, yeah. Yeah, well, I just moved.

So I've got boxes. I don't have anything set up yet. You could argue that Fox is paying you very well then. Getting a whole brand new house, setting everything up. All because of the beer Olympics. Exactly. Exactly. I think we gave him a big boost. You're welcome for that.

You said poor sore losers. You said were the worst set of sore losers you've ever seen. Who was the worst? Who was the guy that you're just like, dude, get the fuck away from me? So there was that little influence. incident, the little kind of puking incident when we were playing, I think it was what. Yeah, it was hard to play. Flip cup.

Flip cup. Flip cup. And I think it was, so the middling guys were not happy, we're not happy. I think it was Cameron. And I love them. They were great, but it was just like enough. You guys lost. You lost.

And so that went on for pretty much the entire day. They still were not over the fact that they lost. and the whole throwing up thing and all that. Yeah, they were definitely being sore losers. Another person that came to mind that was, I think I saw you on a show with somebody talking about it. It was David Bactiari, constantly coming up to you, trying to negotiate the rules, essentially rewrite the rules.

And I did, when I rewatched Beer Olympics back, there was a moment where we need to talk about your stones, not standing up to Dave, is there was a, he hit the corner of one of the tables, it broke, and you said two-point deduction. Then I'm pretty sure he slipped you a 20, which wasn't making that Fox money yet, but it's up to your 20, you said,

if Taylor will notice, it's not a deduction. It wasn't a 20. It was two hindoes. It was 200. That he slipped me. And I said, I'm not a rat. I'm not going to tell on him.

I just said, hey, if they notice, you know, then I got me back. I love it. One more question, and then we're going to jump. We'll jump right into some football. But I love your shirt. And I love the fact that you're wrong.

Like Letterkenny is. not a whole lot to come out of Canada. Not a lot of whole exports of come out of Canada, but Letterkenny has, and it's an incredible show. How'd you get on that? A buddy of mine just turned me onto. He's like, listen, you got to watch this show. I think you'll like it.

And I'll be honest, I struggled the first episode. I'm like, what the heck am I watching? And then I just, I love it. I just binge-watched every season. I just love, I want to move to Letterkenny. I want to hang out. I want to go to Mo Dean's, the whole thing. They're awesome. Riley Jonesy, everybody.

I love Letterkenny. It's an incredible show. Jared Kizzo, the writer of that show, he's incredible. Have you happened to watch the spin-off, Shorzy? Yes, Shorzzi. I like Shorzzi. I don't like it as much as Lennar-Kinney, but Shorzies great. Obviously, a great character.

I just, I like the fact. I always like when Shorzie would just show up on Letter-Kinney. You'd never see his face. She didn't know and just all the chirping. But Shorzy's great, too. Yeah, the new season comes out October 27. For those of you want to watch it on. pretty incredible. And that's a free. That actually is a free shadow. Let's talk about ball.

And I'm sorry, I've kind of ran this couple times. Do you have anything off top? No, you're, you're killing it. Let's talk about how you found your way into this role of just knowing all of the rules. Like what, like, how do you get to a position you are now in the NFL? I didn't, I didn't have to know anything about officiating. It wasn't an interest of mine. I played sports my whole life. I played football. You know, I wasn't good enough to go beyond high school. And I just wanted to stay involved in sports. And growing up in New York, all the major sports organizations have offices in New York City, send my resume to all of them. NFL called. They had an internship available. I interviewed in a couple of different departments,

and I got the one in officiating. And that was it. Like, I just wanted to get my foot in the door. I learned the game from watching film and just looking at tape, learned from an officiating perspective. It's like, okay, I was editing film and I was, you know, put this, put this list of plays together on a tape. It's all offensive holding. And I learned it that way. And then it just kind of evolve from there. I love that. That's awesome. That is awesome. One thing that's fresh on my mind right now is that call at the end of the game with the Giants. Yeah. Why would that not be a call of pass interference on Darren Waller? Because the dude clearly tugged his jersey like as he's trying to go for the ball. Yeah. I mean, I was talking to somebody earlier today.

sitting there and I'm going, if I'm the head of officiating and I'm talking to, you know, Brian Dayball this morning, how, how am I saying that's not a foul, right? He grabbed Wallers, he grabbed his jersey, um, affected getting his, you know, he couldn't get two arms up. You could see, I think it was his left arm that, that was compromised. And I thought it was a flag. You know, they just threw a flag on the play before. Obviously, they get the untimed down. I, you know, to me it was a foul, you know, obviously we have this whole, you know, let the players decide the game, but you can't let a team get away with a, you know, a foul in that situation. You know, they're all close. They're bang, bang. But I thought he did grab them.

And I certainly, if there had been a flag down, I would have had no problem with that. But there is something to be said about the last play of the game and like let the boys play, which you saw in the Super Bowl with the Eagles in Kansas City last year with that obviously was a whole thing. That one's even less like to me. It's like, yeah, that's a little tug. I believe within five yards too. We're kind of like touching and groping as kind of like a not a frowned upon thing in that situation. Yeah. So how do you,

how do we now go as, as, if you're talking to football players, where it seems like a more of a biased situation where you can be like, how do you keep more consistent in the referee realm? That's it. That's the whole key.

That word in all of my experience around coaches, around players, it's not like we're all going to make mistakes. Like we're all, nobody's, nobody's perfect. I was pretty perfect during the beer Olympics, I'll say that.

But no one is perfect. So we're all going to make mistakes. But if it, you know, from an official standpoint, you just want consistency. If you're going to call it in the first quarter, call it in the fourth quarter. If you're going to call it on us, you've got to call it on them. And you're always telling the officials, like, it doesn't matter if it's, you know, the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl or it's the, you know, the second quarter in week six. You got to call it the same. And if you, if you set the bar early in the game, you can't raise that bar or lower that bar, depending on the situation because the players are going to play to that to that.

standard. And that's hard. That's hard. You look at, you know, you look at the end of the Super Bowl and that, like you said, that was probably less of a hold than, than what happened in the game, you know, in the game Monday night, Sunday night. So how is that like critiqued and taught like behind closed doors? Because clearly, you know, when a situation like that, you don't really hear from the referees right after. Like, you know, you guys kind of operate as a team from the outside looking in. It's like you got the head guy who's going to take them. blame, but what is, what do those conversations look like behind closed doors? Yeah, I mean, there's so much evaluation that goes into officials.

Like, it's crazy. They, you know, they're evaluated right in the moment. There's replay, coaches, players, the media, TV. We're all evaluating them in real time. And then after the game, like you said, there's a crew, the white hat, the referee. And then there's six other officials that work with that crew and they travel for the most part together throughout the year. And they're evaluated on every play of every game.

There's former officials that sit and look at film. They look at coaches copy. They look at TV. And they look at every call that's made, every call that should have been made. They look at their positioning, their mechanics. And they get an evaluation sheet or report each week. And that accumulates during the season. So if you don't grade out well, you're not going to get a postseason assignment.

You're not. And if you really don't grade out well over the course of maybe two or three years, they let you go. So there's a real comprehensive evaluation system. in place. And so they are held accountable, but you don't, we don't see it, right? They don't, the head coach gets up on the podium after the game, you know, you get a microphone in a player space, but we don't talk to the officials in the league. I think that's good because that can put the officials in a tough spot, but they are evaluated

and they are held accountable. Is there any criteria for a ref to be in shape? Do you guys, I do like a, you know, like maybe run a mile under 15 minutes and do presidential test growing up sort of presidential test because you see so many times first off boys are wearing slacks out there that's a tough look maybe grab some shorts in September but you see a lot of guys they're huffing and puffing especially the faster the pace game gets now with the running clock as much as it's changed so like is there any evaluation from a cardiovascular stance on referees physical fitness test yeah it's changed you know when I first started in like 90 95 96 and my first officiating clinic, the, the requirement was they had to, they had to walk a mile. That just finish it, like not die. Like that was, that was the requirement. Hell yes.

And now, and now there really is, it's more comprehensive. They do, they do, like you said, more cardiovascular work. There's a fitness program. There's a lot that goes into. And they have to maintain a certain level of fitness just to work. Now, look, they're not going to be as, as, as, you know, as in shape as the players, you know, how many people are in terms of, you know, professional football players. But there is an expectation. And, you know, in the preseason, they go through a regimen where

they have to kind of pass to make sure that they're in shape enough to work, to work the season. And then they get, you know, they do have resources. They have groups that come in and work with them on their diet, their nutrition, their workout routines, their recovery. So it's come a really a long way from, you know, at least when I started, like, in the mid-90s. Yeah, we might have to jump up that fitness test just a little bit. Maybe you bring back the presidential fitness test for referee. Absolutely, the little box where you have to stretch and it measures how far. Yeah, yeah, exactly, how many setups and push-ups you get in a minute, how fast you run the mile.

Right. The amount of pull-ups maybe, like there's, there probably should be a criteria. Because, you know, even though it is awesome that they get the diet, like, you know, nutrition needs and everything like that, I'm just assuming, you know, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. like some of these old hats might be a little stubborn and be like, okay, I'll show face and eat, yeah, I've been eating a salad, but it's like, brother, it doesn't look like you've been eating salad. Yeah, no salads out there.

A lot of ranch involved. Dude, the physical part of being a referee is one thing, but the mental aspect has got to be exhausting, especially for your end, being like, and when you started in the 90s, there's rules, but everything's kind of like, okay, generally we're playing ball, you let the boys go. Now you sit there, there's a rule for fucking everything.

Like, what's your least fan? rule and why that's what i need they're like what what rule just needs to go when it comes to the what the nfow hang on to hang on to not put them in a tough spot on the rule that needs to go technically put him in a tough spot but go ahead oh yeah if you just say not a rule that needs to go but what's your least favorite rule just period yeah and why i like that you guys like good cop had bad cop taylor's like the bad cop well comes and then i like that i like that little thing you guys got caught detectives um the so i mean look from yeah you're right from a from a mental think about, right, from an official's perspective, right?

They don't, it's not like they're on offense and they don't play defense, right? They're every snap, every down, they're out there. And there's a pre-snap routine that they go through. Then you have six or seven seconds of the play with this intense focus. And then the post-play stuff, right? Then they have to officiate that. And then it's, okay, we're going again. And so from that standpoint, it is mentally exhausting.

And, you know, and like you said, the rules have changed so much. you know, you just think of the safety rules, like the defenseless player rules, there's more rules that they have to remember. They have to adjust. They have to officiate more things they have to look for. For me, you know, I wouldn't, there isn't a rule that jumps out where I'm like, man, that rule sucks. We got to get rid of it.

But I do think we could probably use replay in some of these situations. You know, there was a hit in the 49th of Brown. You know, Gibson gets a flag on a third and 10 gives the Browns a first. down and I thought it was a legal hit. It was a shoulder to the body. And, you know, to give the officials an opportunity to correct that on replay, I think that's something the league needs to continue to look at. But, you know, there isn't, I mean, I like the NFL rules.

Quite frankly, I like the NFL timing rules more so than college. I think college is trying to come around. You know, they got rid of the stopping the clock on the first downs outside two minutes. So I think the NFL rules are in a good place, but it's not easy. It's a complicated rule book and it's grown over the years. Dude, so, so much gray area. And I do agree on that, specifically that hit that Gibson had yesterday because Browns, they go on to win the game off of that.

There's just so much gray area. The one I kind of hate the most is like, unless it plays in my favor, is the quarterback, the hitting the upper field. Like, I want to say there was a shot yesterday where Barton goes up for the Falcons and kind of Ritters about to throw the ball. So Barton, the linebacker, he's blitzing. He kind of jumps to match the hand. And all of a sudden, like, as he's in the air, you know, Ritter gets off and he, like,

hits down on top of him. But even as he's going down on him, he's, like, extending his arms to, like, not, like, laying on him with his body. Yeah. Because he just jumped to kind of mess up the throw. Yeah. And then that becomes, like, a roughing the passer. And it's just so, I understand that we're protecting guys.

But, man, moments like that suck. Yeah, it seems like that's, like, protecting guys. it's also protecting assets. Like the quarterbacks are the most valued player in sports. So it does seem is there, and it's so much of a judgment like between refs. Like there's so much career like Will said, like how do we differentiate that?

How do we make that a little smoother? I think you look at, and it is, there's no question when the competition committee gets together, right? Quarterbacks are an asset, right? There's only, I don't know, even know if we have, you know, 32 that that are quality quarterbacks right. There's very few people that can play that position at a level like a Patrick Mahomes, right? So that is definitely an asset. And it's something they're in a defenseless posture a lot of the time. And so they should get extra protections. But like you said, you know, and I think the league has done a better job in terms of rough in the past. They talk about matching the hand. They talk about, you know, if you're taking the quarterback to the ground, if you can brace yourself, if you can get off to the side. But it's a lot harder to play defense now. It really is. And there's less things you can do. And the game happens so fast. I think,

you look at, you got to study film, you got to look at your officials. They look at each crew and they say, okay, we're averaging like 15,000 games right now, okay? That's both teams all in, except the declined offset. And you look at, okay, one crew is averaging 10, the other crew's averaging 20. What's the deal? Is it the two teams? Or are those crews calling less or more based on their own philosophy? So you look at that, you look at the film, and you just try to evaluate them to get them closer to that middle. So everybody's kind of in that same place. But it's a challenge because you have 17 different officiating crews,

seven officials on each crew. That's hard to get everybody on the same page. Dude, it's a lot of moving parts in that official. Yeah, a lot of moving parts. But it's easy to see what a fishing crews call what. You can just, Vable points out to you. You literally have to scout the reps from them.

Hey, they don't call a lot of past interferences, do businesses, business is being done until you're called on. First one's on me. That type of vibe. And you got to play and use those rules to your advantage. A lot of advantages and disadvantages when it comes to football. We have a segment called The Shittiest Moment.

It's presented by Dude Wipes. I look at that right there. I don't know if you're using TP out there, brother. But if you are, you're in the stone ages. It's time to get that wet wipe on that tissue because those things are not only flushable. It's going to make your bum feel a whole lot better. Our shittiest moment with you or a question for you is going to be,

tell us about your career. What's the worst moment in your career that you're like, dude, I might not have a lot. a job after this or maybe a bad call that you said was one way and it went the other way and you were obviously wrong something baby give me some public came after me the public yeah the public's always coming after me i i think look there's a couple of things that i remember that i'm probably known for and and you know i got i got into a little bit of trouble back in what i don't know when it was 2015 you know i was on the cowboys party bus and and i was you know TMZ happened to be there

and so uh you know and and and roger godell you know you know you know you he's a good dude. He doesn't really get the love, you know. You said Roger Goodell is a good dude? He said, yeah, he said he didn't get the credit. Off camera, off out. Like, trust me, you'd have a beer with him. Trust me.

But, you know, so he, you know, he's going to call me in to talk about this. And I'm like, man, I might not have a job after this. But he was good. You know, and then, you know, around that same time, the Des Bryant play, which look, I get it. You were the guy on Des Bryant play? What's that? You were the guy on the Des Brian play? I was the guy on the Des Brian play.

That's right. Yeah. Me and my guy's territory. And look, I get it. Everybody, they changed the rule to make that a catch at the time. The rule, it was clear. It wasn't a catch. I got to abide by the rules.

I can't make up my own shit. But, you know, that's kind of stayed with me. And I'm actually really looking forward to in two years, the 10-year anniversary. Because I know Cowboys fans, it's going to be awesome. Like, I can't wait for my Twitter feed. you know, on that day. I'll get the charge going. Yeah, yeah, I'll get the charge going.

I will. I will. Well, you get it going now on Saturdays with your corn huskers. You're always tweeting at me about the official. It was week one. You were on the, you were on the, yeah, because it was a Fox game. It's like, they're sitting there and I see you pop up on the screen. I'm like, oh, come on, Dean, call it this way.

Like, I was trying on that one. I was in your corner, man. I had it. That's so funny. Question about the shittiest moments. Which one happened first, the party bust or the catch or the no catch? So the party bus happened first. But people, like, people are, they get there.

So they think that I was on the, so the lions, the week before the lions and cowboys, if you remember this, they're playing in the wild card game. And the lions are up and it's a third down. And there's a flag for holding the officials announced first down lions and then they get together and pick it up. The lions go down, go lose that game. And then the next week, the Cowboys and Packers, and then the des play. happens. The the bus

incident happened in training camp. The Cowboys are out in California. I was out in California. The Lions fans think that after the Cowboys Lions Wildcar game, that night I was on the party bus with Jerry and that's why you picked up. Yeah, that's why the flag was picked up. That's why they were just, yeah, that's how

these kind of urban legends kind of kind of, you know. So in your psyche, maybe that's why you're calling and not a catch on desk. Because anybody who works football their whole life, it's like... They said the same thing.

They said the same thing. They said, oh, so now reverse psychology, you're trying to get off of the party bus vibe and you're going to... So it's all... So I can't win. Well, we just need to see the camera footage of the bus and then the camera footage

of the conversation you have the Goodell. Because if you're on the bus, having a good time. And you hear the stories on that bus. That's a wild bus now. And I'm sure you've got a couple you can tell us off camera. But you go to that. Gaddle wants to talk to you.

He's a great. guy. He's a, you'd have a beer with him, all that stuff. And now there's, it's not a catch with Des Bryant. I feel, I can see where the conspiracy theory comes from. This is a, we'll get out, we're making it worse right now. Let's move on. I actually, uh, I have two, I have two extra things. My first one, and this is, I'm, I'm not trying to find, like, humor in any of this part, but is there a way, like you were talking earlier about the criteria that ref referees have to meet throughout the year, or they're not going to get a postseason bid, or maybe their career ends type of thing.

Like is it like such a straightforward criteria to where if referees were in this new wave of the gambling and everything else to where they graded just above and be like, okay, I can have a down game here because I'm grading out so well on the year? You know what I mean? No, dude, you're absolutely 100% right. And this is something we always guarded against

in terms of with the evaluations because a lot of officials, they would keep track of their grades. And they're like, okay, I'm at this level. I can't afford another missed call. So I may not throw my flat, you know, so that it has an impact because that's right. You think about just psychologically, that can happen. So we always try to like guard against that and create an evaluation system where it wasn't solely just so objective where it was like, okay, your grade is based on your calls.

You got 100 calls during the season. You got 93 right. You're 93%. there was some subjective elements added in terms of like, you know, you have your supervisors, you're degrading them on other things. So they're not just solely grade-based, call-based. Because like you said, then, you know, if I know I can't get another incorrect call, I might be less likely to throw my flag.

And you can't officiate that way. Right. You're just, it's a problem. Especially when you, like, you know, you can't help but think about it with that. There was like a 30 for 30 episode with the referee and the basketball. that documentary, it's like, you just think, like, man, some of this stuff, they do, like, people with the high integrity in the referee world, like, you have to, it's almost like it has to be like a fluid, a fluid at like, you know, test, exam, whatever it might be, because it's

like, you just have no clue what goes on, especially if you have 17 officiating teams, seven on each one, and so forth. A lot of people, and that was always my, one of my biggest fears when I was at the league office, what if we have, like, an NBA situation with gambling and things like that? So the league has groups that they look at the betting lines. They look at how officials' calls are impacting the lines, how they're impacting games. They look, the officials go through a crazy security check, bank records. They go knock on doors and talk to their neighbors before they're hired, any kind of business relationships, any kind of conflict of interest.

It's like, it's really to get hired as an NFL official, you go, I don't know of other jobs. that have that level of scrutiny, you know, coming in. I love it. I love it. You know anything else? I kind of, I, too, kind of. And it's going to bring us right back to how we started this entire show, the Beer Olympics. Question one.

After that event, was there any anxiety from you from the NFL standpoint of catching some heat and did you at all? No, no, not at all. You know, obviously, if I had been, if I was still working at the NFL, and I was in charge of a fishing. I love you guys, but I'm probably not officiating the Beer Olympics.

Fair, fair enough. Probably not gonna. But, but with Fox Sports and they're great, you know, the biggest thing that the biggest fall, it's not a fallout. It was like a, people didn't realize I had tattoos. I mean, that was,

that was like the biggest. I was blown away by that too. Oh, this is the fucking guy. Yeah. He's fucking awesome. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't have any.

Well, yeah. I don't think. I'm thinking like, oh, this is a cool cat. Yeah, because you think he'd be like more of a suit. Yeah. Type of personality. Yeah, definitely not a suit, but.

I love it. And the last question, are you going to officially accept being the head referee for 2024 beer Olympics? 100%. I'm in. And then I do want to at some point discuss, like, I want to bring a team and compete. You know, I might, you know, get a partner. You know, I talk to a couple people.

So I'm in either way, head official, a team, I'm all in. You know, we should, a thought could be, he enters in the tournament, but if we can get one of those teams of five to seven, whatever it is, fully refereed up, they do the rules for real, I think that could be a move.

That would be elite, like an actual NFL referee crew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like an actual crew to where all the, like they understand their language, they understand what the rules that we want in place. There's no subjectivity coming from, like, you know, I thought Nick did awesome,

but different buddies like, and the referee stuff. Like you just have a crew that's like, okay, we understand the assignment. Yeah. We'll carry it out. Dean can bring in a team.

I think that would be fun. We can get a group of, yeah, we can get some local officials and put a squad together and we can build this out. I'm excited. You did spark one more question out of me.

If you did compete, who would be your ideal partner for beer Olympics? I mean, I need somebody, I feel like I need like a professional athlete, somebody that with some capacity because I watched you guys, especially you got Taylor,

I mean, just chugging and what you're able to do on that, on that level. I feel like I can handle my own, but I need somebody, like I need a ringer. Is that ringer Goodell? No, no.

I don't think he's going to do it. But, you know, I've got a couple people in mind. Maybe that'll be like a surprise. Who knows? Who knows what? I like it. The last thing I had,

and I'm sure you get it all the time, but I feel like if he was not on screen, I would think that we were interviewing Bill Burr. Really? People do say that. His voice, he could easily do... Oh, Bill Burr. Oh, not on screen.

Yeah, he could like do a, you know, not cover band, but cover comedy and just do all of Bill Burr's jokes. There's no question. I was thinking of starting a cover comedy group where you just do, you do pick comedians and it's like a thing now. So, yeah, but I've gotten couple for him.

It sounds like you have plenty of avenues, brother. Thank you for coming on in such short notice. You are the fucking man. Really? You crush your job. You crush it at Beer Olympics. It's been an absolute time. What a friendship we've all found.

Yes. I can't wait to see him on Fox for a Nebraska game again because I'm going to feel like I have an ally. And I know, I just know when a call comes down, he's going to go on TV and he's going to, like, I just feel like he'll have to call the game the right way because if not, we got to get a couple. I might chat you out.

Depending on the game, I might say, hey, listen, Will either is going to love this or hate this. That would be cool. That would be awesome. I would love that. Thanks a lot, Dean. Appreciate it. Let's give a lot of false for Dini.

give the man some love. Thanks, brother. Have a good one, ma'am. All right. Take care, guys. What a guy. Let's, uh, we got like, we got around this out. Round this piece out.

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