Bussin' With The Boys - Derrick Morgan

Episode Date: September 10, 2019

Thank you: www.regalrg.com Former Linebacker for the Tennessee Titans, Derrick Morgan, sits down with Taylor and Will this week on the Bus. The boys discusses Derrick's time with the Titans, his entrepreneurship and retirement.Check out our sponsor:Regal Realty Group - Hunter BrileyPersonal 615-630-9735615-483-0856www.regalrg.com   Rate us 5 stars because you're for the boys. Website: bussinwtb.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB/  Merch: https://hangtn.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boysFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're doing all this stuff out there. We're trying to keep up with all the millennials, all the shit going on. We're trying to be the cool guys. Okay, on to our episode, Derek Morgan. Guys, D. Morgan, he was a phenomenal interview. He was a first round pick to the Tennessee Titans that played his whole career with the Tennessee Titans, played at a really high level for many years. Derek was somebody who I took a huge liking to with my one year on the Titans.

He was somebody I always leaned on for advice, recovery, working out. the guy was a true pro the entire year. I was on the Titans, and he was one of the leaders of the locker room. And the dude is a baller, man. He's a baller on the field and also off the field in his entrepreneur life, in his charity life. I know he's got a lot of things going on, you know, helping the world out, making the city a better place, helping out communities.

The dude is a very well-respected and everything he's had, everything he's gotten is well-deserved. and I'm truly am. I'm happy to call him a friend. I was happy to share lockers with him or share a locker close by him. But he was awesome, man. Me, him and Taylor, we have a great time on the podcast. We talk about his time in the league.

His retirement, how much he's enjoying retiring, how much he is enjoying his retired life. When he started thinking about retirement, because there's a whole conversation about that, what he's into off the field, how his transition has been going, what he's been diving into. The dude is very active.

He's represented by Vayner Media, VaynerSports. So if you've seen or heard Gary Vaynerchuk stuff out there, Gary V on social media, that is who represents Terry Morgan. So he's very active in a lot of stuff he does. And we pick his brain a lot, laugh a lot. It's a real good time. But, you know, I'm not going to ramble much longer, man. This D. Morgan episode's a banger.

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The boys are here to stay. We're going to have a hell of a year in football season. We're going to keep dropping pods for you guys each and every week out of our library because they're not current. Some we might get around and do some current stuff, update you a little more. Without further ado, guys, let's hear this Derek Morgan episode. Drop the fucking hook. What's doing, right? Yeah, Wednesday.

Yeah, Taylor Can's coming up, huh? Sorry, Thursday next week. The 25th, dude. Don't pretend like you or you were living that life. You were living that life, like, right away. It's crazy, man. Hey, I feel.

I feel good. I mean, I'm in shape, but you know how it is. It's camp. So there's nothing really to truly feel good about, like, when you're just living. It's like you build your body up. Just to know you're going to to break it down.

Because you, in July, you always feel yourself and you're like, yo, I'm kind of the man right now. I'm feeling myself. And then December, you're looking at yourself like, you're not even this, you're not, are you, you, you're not even a human being. Like, you're, uh, you've, your body, like your body fat's all and fuck up. Do the deal. Right, right.

Yeah. Your body starts a change. For real. But you know, like, October, November, like, you start sneaking that Chinese food. You can lead that on there, you want. Yeah. Makes your soul. Yeah, and you, you do as much conditioning as you want.

And then after those few days in camp, you're just like, there's just like, There's no training for, like, football conditioning, dude. No. Your feet, them dogs are barking. Like, you're, you know, sitting in the locker room. Did you say something like... Contemplating. Hey, boys, how are we going to get out of here?

How are we going to make it out of here? Hey, would you play three games? Back to back to back. Yeah. You know, we asked the funniest questions. We had some crazy conversations. Hey, we could just play three games right now, three days in a row. And it cuts out the last month of the season.

Oh, I for sure. Like, would you do it? I for sure do that. Sometimes when you get to that point where you're like, you got three, four games left, let's just do them. Let's just do them and get them done. Yeah. Triple header.

Triple header. Is your shit broken? Yeah. Are we rolling? Yeah, mine's like a little jagging. Hey, you're on top of that shit, dude. Oh, man. You know, how's the retired life?

Bro, who spelled my name wrong? That's them. Don't even blame us. We did not do that. We did not do that. It's a white way to spell Derek. Oh, my God. When we, we're busting with the boy.

Hey, welcome. Hey, I happen to have you on because we had Delaney on. And it's like, hey, you had one black guy on. Now we got two black guys on. We're diverse as fuck now, dude. We need to get our first lady on it. Do you, would your wife come on? She'd probably come on.

Talk about. You got to watch out for this bus. Don't be looking at the stickers. Do you see these purple spots right here? Those are all Confederate flags and stuff like that. I was looking for. When I said, when I posted the picture in, they said when I was like somebody said you need to cover up some stickers, D-Morg was the one who was like, hey, you might want to check a couple of them stickers.

Oh, really? You were the dude that said that? I was like, yeah, yeah, we need to get that thing. We literally, we literally been thinking to ourselves like, yeah, we got to take this stuff down. Like, take it down. But we get so, like, we finish the podcast. We're like, let's get the hell out of here, dude. Where does this bus come from?

So the bus came from here, dude, hasn't moved. The production company we worked with before, they brought up the idea of everything. And so this was, like, this originally, before it got to this spot was at a, like a vacant, broken down like what was that soda company dude sun drop like in Mississippi

and the dude that owned this bus his name is Juan and Juan yeah Juan so Juan said two white dudes down there

because that's like the KKK was out apparently his word's not ours but this is not like this is an our doing like we've staged

we've staged we've had an old priest and a young priest and we've done our due diligence like this some dark shit's happened in this bus

but we're bringing it back to light dude I kind of felt the vibe But I walked on, it was kind of uneasy. Really? That's what I had. Coach Arthur Smith was like, too, he's like, I didn't know if I should really, like, step on here. I was a little sketched out, like, walking up to the bus, like, hey, are they really inside of that thing?

There is, when we got this bus done, like, we did all this stuff in here. We kept, this is the only thing original, but, like, the floors are done. We painted everything. And this hasn't moved? Dude, it has not moved. Doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work. We're going to get a mobile eventually, I think.

We're just going to start turning that negative into a positive in the dollar-sign community of our podcast. I feel you, dude, how's the retired life? Whew, man, I feel like I've been on the retired life for like six months. It's good, bro. I mean, it's really, it's stress-free. It's stress-free. It's stress-free. Listen to him.

He sounds so at peace. I am, man. I mean, we talk, bro. We talk throughout the whole year. But I think this was a decision that was coming for a long time. You know, we said I was going to play as long as it made sense. Yeah. And nine years in, you know, everybody's like, you got to get to 10.

You got to get to 10. I'm like, why? Like, I'm straight. You know what I mean? I played out both my deals. You know, I've done good for myself and I don't have to play. I never be in a position where I had to play. And, yeah, I just feel like the stuff off the field is becoming way more purposeful for me.

And that's more stimulating to my mind. So I think that it's been a decision long in the making, and I'm definitely at peace with it. Look at you. No, I'm just thinking that just our whole year together, like in the locker room and stuff like that. Like you and Rack? I love Rack, man. Shut out, Brian, a Rack, fellow. Yeah, every time I walk by you guys.

Yeah, what's up, fellas. Every time I walked by you guys, you guys were laughing or complaining about stuff. Yeah, I walked by that. I literally look at them and I can't even go over there. I'm not in the right mindset to even be over there sometimes. We used to tell you that. Yeah, you got to go. You're too young to be in this spot.

Yeah. Don't come over here. You don't want them. No, but right, we were each other's therapists throughout the last year, but it was good to have somebody like that who was that, you know, advanced in their career and understood it. So, I mean, you help me too, bro. I appreciate you.

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate our conversations outside of football and real estate, all those things. Yeah. You're like a real estate Mongol now, dude. Man, mogul, mogul, whatever. It's, dude, it's fucking, it's my bus. I can do whatever. I can say whatever I want.

I bought the bus. If we get divorced, this bus is mine. Yeah, dude, I got in Will's car the other day, and he turned his car on it. It was like a real estate podcast. Every time I talk to him, he's like, I got a phone call in 15 minutes about this, that and the other. Like, Will's going to have more money than all of us. This one was a get rich education.

Real, what's his name, Keith, Keith Whitehold, something like that. He's tough to listen to. Because he got kind of like a real cornyish, cornyish voice. If he ever listens to this, I apologize. So he's hard to listen to, but the dude is like he has so much knowledge. And he has people on that kind of talks about all like, you know, cash flow ratios, real estate, financially free versus debt free. It's that kind of mindset. And it's a lot of like good stuff.

And they're quick like 30 to 45, 50 minute podcast that I try to like tap into and just stay on top of. Yeah, you got to. Because anytime I'll hear something, I'll try to, like, I was telling Taylor's joke on him. I was like, yeah, you know, if I find something or I hear something, you know, I'll just hit up my property managers and just make sure, like, are we doing this? Right. And Taylor's like, and they're probably reading and thinking, yes, because they're property managers. They've done that. That's literally their job. Yeah, yeah. He's like, if someone's like, hey, Taylor, I just want to make sure you're past setting. Like, yeah, I'm an office to tackle, dude. I got a, I got a pass set every once in a while. Hey, have you ever thought to step like this?

Like, yeah, I have. I wonder those with the conversations that Brable used to have with you when I seen y'all going through one-on-one drills. Oh, when I was like coming back, like if you had like a little nigger something like that. You're injured and you're one-home with Brable? Yeah. Make sure you sit inside out. It's like, yeah. It's like, you know, it's like, duh.

I look over there like, dang, this guy, it's nothing that he can't do. Yeah, I know. Rayble over there teaching office to tackle. Like Brable would be like, all right, he'd have that little pat on his chest. And he'd be, all right, I'm going to set and you punch me. And he'd do it two, three times. And then he'd see somebody watching. And I'd do the same thing on the third time or the fourth time.

And he'd swim me and beat me. And he, like, run past it. Man, still got it. Still got it, Luan. I'm just in there like, this mother-fugner. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Like, you got like Ashley and Titans Amier film. And he like peeks it over. Get to look. Give me a little move and get out of there. I'm like, you know, that just happened? And then it shows Rable, like, on the next, what was it, igniting the fire. Right. You know, whatever shit they do.

I didn't be in my... I'm kind of exposed by my own coach right now, dude. That's brutal. So you don't miss it. Or there ever days you wake up and you're like, dude, I can play another game. Bro, do you want me to be honest with you? No, yeah, dude, this is a full, like, do you do whatever you want? Bro, I don't miss it at all.

Nothing. Like, this, right? This, like, conversations and... The camarader in the locker. I mean... Like, I mean, yeah, like, that's the thing that you... that you miss. Right.

But it hasn't really hit in because I've been so busy that I haven't really had time to sit down and process. Man, I miss the guys. Like, you know, I miss having those laughs and stuff and just that camaraderie. But waking up, you know, making sure, like, because you know how I was in my body, bro. Like, it was a stop process.

And so for me, it was like, I wake up, okay, I feel this little tweak in my knee. I got to go do some corrective exercises. Got to go get treatment after this. Acupuncture massage. chiropractic so to be able to kind of just wake up and get on the elliptical and play with my kids and you know handle business or whatnot nah i i can't say i miss it bro i really don't i i've got having a chance to have you know

and mind you i've been coming to this decision for a long time you know i mean what would count is a long time like we're talking i would say like a year okay so the last year around this time you're like this is it's it started to pop back in your head like is this kind of it for me it was like, yeah, this is my last year of my deal. And, you know, if it makes sense, if they're right opportunities on the table, I told my agent, A.J. Vaynerchuk, I said, look, man, if it's not a good team, a good market or a good role, don't even entertain it. Right.

And so, you know, we've had talks with teams, you know, over the offseason and it was like, you know, do I want to uproot my family for a one-year deal and move across the country? Probably not, you know what I mean? So when you can tap into everything you're probably doing off the field? Exactly. I've been sprinkling a lot of seeds throughout my career, and so I think now it's kind of time to activate those seeds and really take advantage of it and leverage my network. Feel free to plug away, man. Yeah, what are some of these seeds? You know, I'm always asking what the hell you're up to because I have FOMO.

I always have FOMO. I always have FOMO. When guys are talking business? I do too. I'm like, oh, hey, boys, are we doing this? Like, what's the deal here? Send me the information. Hey, you see the boys fix your name?

I did. They did. The boys got on the fly. The boys got the thing. He said the white way did it smells, Derek? The black would have done there. So yeah, we got a whole list here. I mean, we're trying to hit some of this stuff.

Man, that's only the stuff I know about. Start at, I wanted to start at CBD and THC. Damn, that's like the big thick, meat boy. Because I texted you, it was recently too. I was like, yo, if we take CBD, or what did I say is like, hey, is CBD legal for us to take? Yeah. Because there's all like this tipping point of like knowing CBD has a little bit of that whatever percentage in it to where if you test pop. positive for THC.

It's, you're clarified for a street drug, and everybody kind of wants to know if, can we do CBD? Because everybody kind of knows now how beneficial it is for your body for like muscles, joints and everything like that. And you don't get the psychedelic effect that you do with THC. So people are like, yo, are you doing CBD now when you haven't been tested the one time of year yet? Like, have you taken CBD? And everybody's like, you don't really want to test or you don't want to push it. So I definitely, I know both of us would like to know about the CBD, THC.

I wouldn't I wouldn't test it you know there's different forms of CBD there's the full spectrum where you have a little bit of the THC so if you have less than 0.03% of THC you know that's full spectrum that's full spectrum CBD oil now what they have is there's a call to CBD extract so they extract the THC from it and you're getting straight CBD you could take that right before a drug test and be fine now what I don't know is the full spectrum that has the TAC I don't know if that's safe for a drug test. I always tell guys, hey, look, wait until you get your test, then you can start taking it. And, you know, there's also the ointments and stuff. Right. Nobody's really done a whole bunch of research on it. Yeah, I know.

It's not to say, it's still vague in a sense, but I think that the NFL just needs to take it off the list. Like, why are we still, you know, getting, getting punished for taking, you know, cannabis or whatever, using cannabis, when we're, like, the only lead that gets punished for it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just, yeah, it's backwards to me. I've talked to a bunch of people about that kind of situation. And it seems like the NFL made it banned, right? Right away. And, like, the NBA didn't really do that.

I don't think hockey does that or baseball does that either. So because they went and did it, it's now hard because it's federally illegal to go back and say, hey, just kidding, we won't. We're not going to test for that because, you know, what an X, Y, and Z. When there's, yep. And it wouldn't be a bustling with the boys' podcasts without a train going by. This is it. We just fight through adversity all the time.

But I do think it's not like a liability issue for the NFL. If they were like took it off the banned substance list without it being federally legal, which I get you. I'm with you. Like it's crazy that like Vicodin and Percocets and all these things are so easily prescribed for you. Like, oh, you have an issue. Take this. You know, take these pills, take these chemically made things when we're talking about a plant.

Like you can't take a plant. I think it's all about public opinion. Yeah. The NFL will never be ahead of public opinion. they will not take any risk because it's all about the shield. Right. And so now that you see the public opinion towards cannabis shifting towards more being accepting of it. Yeah, in society.

They're kind of like, ah, yeah, we can talk to the NFLPA, but this is the one thing you've got to understand. The NFL is always positioning itself in terms of the CBA and labor talks because they want to make that an issue in a negotiating point for the, the next, you know, lockout or CBA, which is coming up. It's coming up.

And so they're going to be like, hey, look, play 18 games and we'll let you, you know, smoke cannabis. You know what I mean? That's how they'll leverage it. No deal. We always, exactly, we always look at it as there's economic and there's non-economic issues when you talk about a CBA agreement.

So you can't lump in, you know, something like a medical benefit or cannabis in regards to playing 18, games. You know what I mean? It doesn't equal out. So I think that they're kind of waiting on that to use that as a negotiation tactic, which is kind of crazy, but that's just what you're dealing with. This is business, right?

They just got to like try to get anything. If they can get 18 games and then say, hey, all right, we use some smoke weed or whatever, use cannabis. Right. Man, what a shitty deal for the players. It kind of is like, I saw there said something like I saw. We're joining you guys. We're probably back.

Yeah, hey, we're going to take that, right, boys? 18. Hey, relax. It's crazy. It's just, it's so wild. I saw something the other day. They're like saying you do, players play 18 games,

but you send them for two of them, so still players are only playing 16 games. And it's like, well, then you're messing with people start records. You're messing with people snap records, which for office line, that's kind of all you got.

And then it's like, why? If you're going to play 18, play 18, then put two bi weeks in there, but like don't dilute the product you have. Yeah. Because it goes up and down a little bit.

Now I don't know all the logistics and everything of how like the NFL and the views, but I do know that, you know, those rumblings when it came to the anthem, and there's rumbes like this, and there's all these demographics that are either happy or upset, but, like, you do 18 games, things might get a little, you know. Real dicey, man. It might get, it might get too dicey. And if you, if your compensation for that is like, hey, we'll take two preceding games off,

it's like, yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah. Like, do, take one off anyway. Precising games, you play at least one. If you're a starter, you play three series at most sometimes. Right. And you're done. And that's it.

Take out a preseason game. keep it at 16 games at a bye week I don't know but what do you think about See I'm almost like When I get into a groove At the season

I'm like yo let's just do this Sometimes when I come back from a biweek I'm a little more sore My body is like a little more relaxed Yeah You know and I have to like re-aunt myself I would almost I'm not standing on this

I'm being devil's advocate Right I don't be like yo no biweek Let's just rip at 16 Yeah you're 27 Yeah You're younger You turn 27

I'm turning 20. I'm turning 28. You're only 26. I'm 20 28. 26 right now. Were you, I think you were on. No, no, no, I'm 27. I'm turning 28.

Oh, my fault. It's about to turn 28. About to turn 28. You're going to year six. Yeah. Okay, so were you there, yeah, you were here where we had a bye week after week. Yes. And then we had 13 straight.

Yeah, that was a tough, that was a tough year. That was miserable. Oh, my gosh, bro. Like, imagine playing three games going to a buy week. That's always the worst. Like, I don't want that. Those late by weeks are the best. We had, I think, I think the year after.

that we had like a week 10 by week or like the latest week you could have. And everyone was like, oh, this is love. Yeah, I've always been lucky, dude. The skins had week four last year. And I'll text boys like, hey, man, that beginning by week early in the year. That blows. Yeah. Titans got a good one this year. It's like the, it's in November.

Okay. So that's solid. I think the first week in November or second week. I saw it. How you feel about the season, bro? Our defense is always, like, even since I've been here, even when we went two and 14 and three and 13, like, I always feel like y'all are always so consistent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just about the offense, the ebbs and flows of the offense got to be more consistent. Right. And, like, the offense line, we have a better job of protecting, give Marcus more time, receivers got to get open faster. Like, it's all, you know, it's a team sport.

Yeah. But I really think, like, of all the years, it seems like people are really starting to buy in quite a bit. Right. Like, when I first got there in 2014, it was a lot of old dudes. Like, year 10, like Michael Ruse and Chris Spencer was in our room, and it was kind of like, he's kind of did your thing, you know, it was like everyone was in and out. I didn't really understand the NFL at all. Now I'm starting to get it.

I feel like dudes are working hard, and we got talent, too. We got some young guys with some talent. A lot of talent. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's all about culture, you know. It really is. It's like I've seen guys. I came in my first year at Jeff Fisher.

And so it was Vince Young, Chris Johnson, you know, like Chris Hope, Cortland Finnegan. and we had a really old team. That team, guys just kind of did whatever they wanted to. Whatever, yeah. Playing in Miami, lose the game, stay in Miami. That's crazy. Don't even get on the team. Yeah, that's crazy.

You know what I mean? So, like, when I got out, I was like, man, what is going on? Like, this is kind of loose, too loose. Yeah. So I wasn't used to that. And then, you know, he was gone. Then Munchet came and then Wizard Hunt. Who was next?

Malarkey. Malarkey. And then now. It was like, man, I've seen so many different cultures try to be implemented. And I've been kind of studying that. It's like, okay, what, like, I try to take notes on like each, you know, leader or coach that came in. It's like, okay. To run your own business.

Yeah. Like, what can I take away from this? Like, this works here. This didn't really quite go over so well. Guys bought into this. Yeah. But this didn't work. And so I tried to look at each coach and kind of learn and take something away from each coach that I could apply in, you know, in the business world.

because, I mean, you're leading the organization. Right. How would you compare them all? Since you've been underway, it's sound like you rattled off five there. Yeah. What are some takeaways or what are some differences? I think the common thread that I think worked the best, at least from my perspective, was ownership. Having the team feel like there's a sense of ownership that you have a say somewhat in what's going on as to say, hey, look, this is more of a collaborative.

approach, right? Like, understanding that there is a hierarchy, there is authority, understanding those things. But to me to say, hey, look, I'm a head coach. I'm going to ask your input. You're the one on the field sacrificing your body and doing all the work. Yes, I have a certain vantage point, but let's collaborate. Let me get your insight. I might not agree with it.

But I'm going to at least ask you, right? So I think when you kind of start to facilitate that type of ownership and that collaboration from a team, you get, you get even more buying. You know, I think, I think Marlarchy did a good job at that. You know, I think that, you know, we had the leadership councils and, you know, all those different things. And I know you probably had your opinions on Malarkey, but it's like, you know, we had like a core group of guys, whether it be vets, starters, you know, the leaders of the team. And they kind of, we kind of governed the locker room essentially. You know what I mean?

If we've seen something going on, you know, going on, we were able to hold people accountable. And, you know, I think that we still had and you guys still had it. on the team, but I think having people feel like, you know, they're part of something that they have a piece of ownership in it. I think that applies to any type of business. Yeah. You know what I mean? Is that something you implement with the stuff you have going on the side? Yeah, 100%.

I think you got to, like, it's the difference between paying somebody to do a job and, like, let's just say me and you start a business. And we should. Yeah, it's going to happen. It's going to happen eventually. We've been trying to collaborate. Yeah. So it's like, let's just say, me and you start a business. just say we go in, you know, on a joint venture. And, you know, I could pay you as a consultant

or an employee or I could say, hey, look, take some equity and we'll just kind of build this thing out. You're going to put way more time and energy into it knowing that you have some skin in the game, knowing that you're, that you have ownership and that you have a piece of it, then as to say, hey, look, I'm just going to pay you for nine to five. Right. You know what I'm saying? You clock in, you clock out. But if you own part of that business, you might work nine to five and then go home and work 7 to 10. You know what I mean? So it's all about having that sense

and trying to facilitate that and stimulate that in people to say, hey, look, buy into what we're doing. You know what I mean? So I think that that's something I've always kind of looked at it from coaches and I can apply that in the business world as well. Yeah, that's good, man. Yeah. How about what?

Another train. Yeah, another train. What business have you implemented that kind of like thought? Like, I don't know what all All of your stuff that you do I see you're getting a lot more traffic and action through Vayner media, VaynerSports

that you're with. I don't know how much they've taught you, how much you collaborate with them. I don't know what all businesses you're in besides, you know, the vegan, really, the vegan business, really, in some of the philanthropy work that you do. Are you involved in any CBD or THC companies?

No, I'm on like a board called Athletes for Care that we kind of have. advocate for athletes' rights to use cannabis products. But I'm not specifically affiliated with any CBD or cannabis product. A lot of people came out to woodwork kind of when I started advocating for it. And, you know, this is probably like... Because it's like trendy. It's very trendy.

Very trendy. Four years ago. Yeah. You came out with them, my cause, my cleat things. You had the marijuana leaves on there. And all of a sudden you had a random drug test. A daily... Who would have thought, dude?

I had so many drug tests over the last couple of years. years. But did you get random judges for like substance abuse or did you for PED? Because they can't, they can't substance abuse you once a year. It's only once a year. But I had like, I probably had seven to eight PED tests last year. Really? I mean, shoot, you, you, you were right near. He's like, oh, Derek got it again. So I don't know, I don't know if it's related. Derek got it again. But, um, but, but no, I mean, when you talk about, like, you mentioned Vayner, like, hang on a second. What's up? You're on that panel. What are the benefits of cannabis? Like, what do you advocate for? Like, why?

The THD and cannabis route over the pain meds and the medicines that we have now in our league. Bro, like, you guys remember, like, all the reports of the CTE and, like, guys killing themselves. Like, when Junior Seahill committed suicide, that kind of shook me up. I was like, man, this guy had everything. He played 20 years. I remember. I'm a former. So I'm like, what would it take for him to kill himself?

Like, he had it all. And so when I started to really look into it and I'm looking at CTE and, like, is that going to be mean 10, 15 years? And so I started looking into other alternatives because there weren't no options. It was just like, yeah, you play this game and you hope and pray to God that you're going to be straight in, you know, 15, 20 years, that you could live a normal life.

But I was like, nah, I've got to be more proactive. And then Eugene Monroe, he was playing for the Ravens at the time. He was the actual first, you know, advocate for NFL in the NFL for cannabis. And I've seen him on CNN talking about it. And I reached out to him like, yo, bro, like, what's up? Like, I need to learn about this. And he just started sharing research with me. Like, in Israel, they're doing a lot of research on cannabis because it's a little bit more open.

You can research it more easily. And so I started reading stuff looking at the neuroprotecting qualities of it. You know, when you go play football, like, you're doing this all day. And so you get those subconcussive hits that create inflammation in your brain. And so what CBD oil is. basically patented as is a neuroprotectant. So if you take CBD oil, let's just say you take some in theory before you go and play a game, it would essentially limit the amount of inflammation that comes into your brain from, you know,

different, you know, head trauma. So that was the big reason for me. I know a lot of guys use it for pain, inflammation. It's just a healthier alternative. It works naturally with your system as opposed to an opioid or, you know, another painkiller. It's just not as toxic to your system. So it's all about having options, bro. Yeah.

CBD is definitely like something that can absolutely help. I have a buddy who has a company in Arizona called True Infusion, and they do, like, everything organic, like the right way to make CBD and stuff like that. So they run all that. And he all the time is like, man, I wish I could give you some of the stuff to take while you're playing. And it's like if you go and I take a pain pill, like for the next three, four days, like, I've taken pain pills and we can all agree, like you don't feel better than we're when you take a pain pill.

Like, it's, you feel amazing. There's a reason why it's so addictive. Like, I'm ready to not feel pain. Yeah,

exactly. It's not that you don't have pain. It's like you forgot there ever existed the word pain. You know what I'm saying? Right. Life's just different now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So, but like once you take that, like that chemically imbalances your brain. And so for the next three, four days, like I'll even notice like, you know, I'm more irritated.

Or I'm more like, I'm more short with my wife or my patience. I don't have as much patience with my kids or whatever. So it's kind of like it's so easy to see. And something like a plant like that's so natural. And I also know why there's so much resistance on something like even hemp. Like if you started growing and producing hemp, I've said this before in this podcast, like there's 100,000 products that you could replace with hemp, including plastic.

Yeah. Which is like truly affecting our ecosystem, our oceans and everything to an extent that it's not going to be us. And that's like human beings are naturally selfish. human beings are where we come from caveman times. We haven't evolved enough. We're so focused on how do we eat, how do we reproduce, and how do we get ours. And the thing we need to start focusing on is like it's not going to be our kids or it's going to be our kids kids kids. Right.

You know, so it's going to be our grandkids or great grandkids that are going to feel the effects of what we're doing now. And something as simple as letting an athlete take something like CBD would be so beneficial because you don't have those things. Like if you really were focused on like, let's focus on CTE being an issue. You don't want brain issues to happen. Like, offense alignment and defense alignment, those like little tiny hits. You call them subconcussion? Subconcussive hits. Like those are the things that add up over time.

And those are the things you don't feel. But I noticed myself, like even in November, December, laying in the season, I'll be home and I'll be having, my buddies will come see me. And they'll be talking to me after games. And I'm not even, I can't even really form. Send it. I can talk. I can talk. But like, I'm not as like, I'm not as sharp.

I'm not as like with it. You know what I'm saying? So that's definitely something that could be. Yeah, we've said before. Years down the road, like probably in the near future, 10, 15 years, whatever we're going to look back at this time and kind of like laugh at the way we're the NFL and we all tried to go after, hey, replacing this with this and be like, yeah, what were we thinking taking all this stuff back then?

We kind of know it now. Yeah. You know, intuitively we know that now, but we're definitely going to look back one day. Like, man, I can't believe it took this long for this stuff to kind of pass or. It's the same thing as like we look at, like, we look at like, 30 years ago or 100 years ago and doctors. Like there's a, there's a Belmead plantation down the road, and they have like, it's a really cool place to go check out.

I went and saw it. It's like a museum. And this woman had asthma. Well, when, like, 1800s or whatever that was around, they prescribed her to smoke cigarettes and climb at high altitudes because the lung, I swear to God, because the lung was viewed as a muscle and not like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and you look at it and you're like, what idiots? Yeah.

But in a hundred years, they'll be looking at us going, yo, what idiots? It's so, like, technology is moving so fast, which allows us modern medicine to also move equally as fast. So the doctors that go to school in the 80s, and doctors, their identity is 100% what they know. You know what I'm so? So if you go, if you have a doctor that went to school, graduated in 82, and didn't do anything else, his shit's so outdated and it's not fair. And if you say, well, a doctor told me to do this, doctors can be idiots too. You know what I'm saying? Unless you stay on top of everything and go towards like, hey, like, we got to, I got to learn and progress and grow.

like it's it's so easy to have a PhD. I mean, we deal with that a little bit in the training. I was just about to say that. I was just about to say that. The teams you're on the training rooms, you're kind of dated to what they know. And guys, like yourself, like I've learned a lot from you over just being with you for a year. Vice versa.

And you're just kind of realize the education you try and get outside of the facility. Right. And the stuff you read into or listen, whether it's a podcast or any of that information out there. And you start to learn and question a few things or try to, challenge, not even, not necessarily challenge it or you realize your innocent self bringing it up in that environment. And when they kind of just like laugh at you or, you know, just frown upon it or belittle it and you're just like, man, what, you know, I've read this actually has some really beneficial stuff. And a lot of these, a lot of, a lot of trainers or doctors or anybody,

they need a lot of data and research throughout time to kind of prove that instead of being like Ben Greenfield, somebody who experiments on himself all the time. and can give you data and some stuff to try out and go after. And you're kind of like, you're going to do this too. They're kind of like, nah, we're not there yet. Or that, no, it doesn't make sense because of what I was taught back in, you know, the 90s. Yeah. It's funny, I think a few years ago, my nickname around the facility was Dr. Morgan.

I could definitely see that. It wasn't in a positive way. It was because, you know, we talk about being in the training room. Yeah, the outdated, you know, methodologies. and the approach to treating injuries. And, you know, if you're a rookie, fringe, free agent type of guy, you don't necessarily have time to waste, you know, icing your knee. You need something that might have to expedite that healing.

And so, you know, I do a lot of things that are unorthodox that are necessarily outside of the realm of expertise of these trainers. So like you said, they don't necessarily understand it. but I was telling guys like, look, every time you get injured, get a second opinion. Absolutely. Hands down get a second opinion. You can't rely on somebody because it's a conflict of interest. The way the training room is set up in the NFL, it's just a conflict of interest, bro.

Like, I've seen guys, you know, get screwed over because of politics and just different, you know, things that weren't necessarily related to the injury. It was just like. Some political stuff. Yeah, it wasn't. It was bad advice. You know, I'm not name and names, but I just think that the more innovative you can be when it comes to your health and the more flexible you can be because we all know, like, the rate of information is like doubling at like an exponential rate because there's so much information out there. Yes. So, like, everything's constantly changing.

And so if you're still relying on stuff from like 1982 or even two, three years ago, you're outdated. Right. You're not continuing that knowledge of education. You're in education, bro. But to play devil's advocate, like those guys, it's not that they want to, it's not that anybody tries to necessarily mess you over. It's just that everyone kind of works under the front office, the umbrella, the owners. Like, their job is to get the product on the field as fast as possible from what they know. And it's not.

And when the head coach or the owner, anybody comes in your office and they're checking on a player. Like, hey, where's so-and-so at? Like, where are we at with him? And in their mind, they're just going over anything they've ever went. with you like yeah we should probably have them ready in a week knowing in his mind maybe it's two weeks but they don't want to hear that right now so I'm going to say a week and then I'm going to go to that athlete and you're kind of like hey you know we need to get rolling how you feel how this that how that they don't hear the right response they can

filter how they won you know either hey you know he they're either battling for you or it's like you know he's just not necessarily you know he's not pushing the way we're trying to push you can get painted different ways they can paint in different ways but they have a job to the chun and, you know, they have to go home too. Yeah, it's a messed up position for them to be in. It's not fair. Right. And we talk about that at the PA is like, can you have, you know, a built-in second opinion

or somebody who's not affiliated with the team? Come in. Essentially come in and administer rehab and second opinions and advice. Because I get it, bro. Like, I get there in a mess up position. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, who really suffers, though? It's the player.

Right. You know, we're at the, you know, we're at the, you know, discretion of what they tell us. And if you're a young guy, you know, you're going to believe mostly of what everybody tells you. And so, you know, it is what it is. I know we can't get too deep on that on here. But I definitely think that the more guys can educate themselves and look at

like, you know, you're becoming a vet, bro. Like, so you're setting an example for somebody coming into the league now. So it's like, if I come in and I'm a rookie, I'm looking at Tell a while, okay, I see he has a routine. You know, he has an approach to how he maintains his health. And he's a professional about it. So I think the more that we can model that and you can model that, the better in just kind of being that soundboard for guys and that voice of reason. Because when you're coming in as a rookie and you're not like a high draft pick, bro, you're just kind of on your own.

You're going. I've never, like, I've never had an issue with like Todd Tursell. He's the head trainer of the Titans. He's always been. Absolutely stud. So good to me. So good to me in so many ways. And when we talk about education, like the difficult thing about education, especially with modern medicine,

is that there's so much information out there. But it's not just about this is the way. It's this is the way. And there's another one saying, no, that's the way. And there's one that's more in the middle. There's so many different ways to process information and so many different opinions that when you go and you get these things, if we're talking about an ACL, all these things, there's positives and negatives to all that stuff. And it's people's jobs as who are who are in. that position, whether you'd be a doctor or a trainer, a physical therapist, it's your job to go

and not only read the stuff that you agree with, but read the stuff you don't agree with as well. So you have an opportunity for your own self to play devil's advocate and keep you in check for the stuff that, you know, you might have thought, well, that's ridiculous before. Right. Well, it's a classic term. Don't knock it until you try it. So you got to give those things a shot. I like Ben Greenfield so much because he does do those things.

He'll hack his sauna to sort of over 200 degrees, and he'll do yoga in it. for 90 minutes, you know, and just to see what that's like. He'll go through different recovery routines and check stuff out, but he puts it on his body. Right. But a big thing people need to know as well is not every human being the same. It's not like we're all four trucks manufactured in the same place. My genetics are different than yours. Some things are going to work better for me than they are for you.

Some guys love the static stretch. I know, and then there's things that say static stretching shuts off your CNS, which is your central nervous system. So, but some guys, I've seen dudes in our locker room go and be like literally, static stretching before games. Tony's before we go out and they say like it's an hour and a half until it's right. My guy.

But then I see those guys killing it. You're done. You see I see those guys killing it. So it's like it's tough. But I will say you're a lot. You're more than welcome to talk about whatever you want. Because like you should never be, there can always be pushback for having an opinion. But like as long as it's

productive. Like all the things you're saying is productive. If there's something you don't agree with, then you should never feel bad. Yeah, I'm employed by the Titans. I think the Titans do an amazing job. They do a great job. You yourself, you can say whatever you want.

And I will say whatever I want too, you know? Because it's like that's what the whole point of having, you know, your own production of things. Right. Now it's it's not, hey, Derek Morgan said this. Derek Morgan said this. It's like, oh, Derek Morgan actually said this. Right, right. These are his words.

Right. You know. Right. What I enjoyed with Todd is, and you probably, you probably, I would assume you probably had the same relationship with him. But like when Todd, he would know that I read or like. do a lot of stuff to where I'm legitimately asking questions, or if I take something or bring it in, and he's like, yeah, if you think that's better, go ahead and do that.

Like, guys, like, working with you. I think that's where you get progress. And you said it earlier, like, guys coming into the league, in the league, young cats, like, always educating yourself because, again, like, you are your own business. No matter what, and if you get messed over and you kind of go down that path, like, it's just as much on you as it is you wanting to point a finger at, like, oh, you know, I got messed over this way. Like, if you find the right vets to ask questions to

and you find the knowledge yourself and try to constantly educate, you can kind of stay on top or try and be a little ahead of the game to where, you know, you go about it the right way. I see a little, I see a little... Your teeth look good, man. Yeah, I appreciate that. Do you even have to brush your teeth anymore?

They just stay white all the time. No, I do, because... My boy just choose gum now. He doesn't have to. He puts him a cup at night. I do. I actually have to floss now, too. George Washington indentures, bro. I have to floss now, too.

I used to not have to floss just because they're so wide apart. You used to have to floss. You didn't floss before. That's what you're saying. Well, you know, that's true. But, you know, people, when they look at me, they didn't know if they should kick a field goal or just, you know, throw me a toothbrush.

I hey, cop, what do you got going on under the hood? What's up with the meat cleavers, bro? Kind of miss them, though. What's that? You say you kind of miss them? Yeah, I kind of miss the girl. You go back on my IG page. Okay, I did it.

And, you know, find some old photos, smile at them, laugh. Like, look, you come. I'll be honest. I don't know. I didn't know there was an issue before. But now that I see this, I'm like, yeah, there was definitely an issue before. It's clearly something going on. My personality is, though, I guess, right?

Boyce. What's that? You guys didn't even know it. Look at that, dude. My personality was so solid that you guys didn't really know how bad my teeth were. Yeah. Hey, that's true. That's true.

It's kind of like strayhand, you know? Like, I mean, he has the gap, but it's like his personality. He fixed his gap. Did he fixed it? fixed it and then he decided he's like, this ain't me. And he actually went back and re- unfixed it. He regapsed. He regapped. I told when I was

going, when they were about to do everything, I was like, hey, guys, if I don't like this, can we shave everything back to what it used to be? Like, he was like, yeah, no problem. No, they fucking can't. That's a lie. What? No, well, when they put them in, that you kind of bite and he shaved stuff perfectly anyway.

But I'm saying, like, you set me a picture of your teeth when they filed things down. No, no, no. What I'm saying is these right here. My two-year-old's teeth were the same size as your teeth when they filed them down. Oh, shit. So I'm saying she had these little, you have these little tic-tacks. I'm saying, like, if you're like, hey, I want to go back, they'd be like, yeah, it's just too late now.

Like, your teeth are perfect. It's a lifetime decision. Yeah, it's a lifetime decision. Well, I'm going to do it someday. He said he could shave these right here if I wasn't, if I didn't like it, he'd be able to shave these to look like my old ones. So, yeah. It wouldn't be right. They just, you know, they do just give you some cement and be like chewing this for half an hour, dude.

Yeah. bro, you're good. You're good to go. He's getting out. What else we got, man? Oh, yeah, VaynerSports. You talk about VaynerSports. I'm a Gary Z fan. I take him in doses. Love Gary Vee. But obviously, he's all over the place. Yeah. Talk a little bit about VaynerSports and going up there in VaynerMedia.

I want to get my ass up there and be in that office sometime. I remember this off season we were supposed to go together. You kind of win on your own. It's cool. I don't. I don't quite remember that. Yeah, because you have CTE, but we won't jump over that. I won't receive that. Listen, um, look, bro, like, when I came in, I had CAA, are you a CAA?

I'm a CAA. Shit on them. Do it. Let's, it's okay. Listen, listen. Do it. When I came in, like, not even before I came in, I was doing all my agent interviews, and they're like, hey, Derek, what's your favorite show? I'm like, the office. We can get you on that show. I'm like, what?

Great. They're showing me the presentation. They're guys. I'm looking at LeBron James and Peyton Manning and Drew. Like, yeah, I could do that. And then when I got drafted, I was like, hey, remember about that? Remember the office? You said you can get me on the show, right?

Yeah, the office. You know, Steve, correct? Like, oh, yeah, we'll look into it. Never heard anything from it. Damn. And it was like they had set my expectations so high of what an agency was supposed to deliver. And they just, I mean, bro, I got nothing. And it was almost like, yeah, you're in a bad market.

You're in Nashville. But I'm like, look, bro, like, I was a first round pick. can I at least get a car deal? Like something, you know? Yeah, something local. And, you know, it was more so like a trickle-down. Like, they had the headliners, like the guys I just mentioned, the Peyton Manning's at the time LeBron was with them.

Like, everybody you could think of, they have. And so it's like, it's almost like when something comes to them, those guys get it first and you get what's left over. Get that trickle-down. Kewan. Hey, we got nothing for you, man. We got a great value ad you could possibly do for Walmart. Yeah, like.

And so I was with them for like, 42 minute mark. I was with them for about maybe five years, right? So the first year, you know, I was talking to them. And then they just like went ghost. I didn't hear from, I didn't talk to my agent. Who was your agent? Do you want me to put names out? Oh, if you want to, you can say whatever.

And then if you're driving home and you're like, uh, comp, don't want that to take it out. I don't want to put no names out. but at the end of the day I came into the league we talked and about it was like a three year hiatus where I didn't hear anything from my agent three years like three years

and then coming around on my contract year hey Derek how's it going so you're not even hearing check you're not even getting check-ins or anything I thought you were talking about marketing advertising no I'll talk about hello what's up bro like nada so

it comes around to my contract here and I started getting those texts. What's up, Dee? How you doing, man? Just checking in. And I'm like, oh, it's contract time. I get it. And so I fired them before my contract and I went out and got somebody else for a reduced rate, you know, because I didn't agree with the 3%. They weren't delivering to get that. So I negotiated down my terms, went with another agency.

Same thing. Overpromised, underdelivered. And my whole thing was, they're like. like, look, Derek, we got this McDonald's deal for you. We got this subway deal, Coke, Pepsi. And I was like, look, bro. I'm going to be the next Jared. At the end of the day, I was the, I was at a point. Let's hold on a second there, Will.

Let's say, let's not be the next Jared. That is, you're right. That's very true. I didn't think that joke all the way through. Hey, we're not. We're not in a little Jared. Stop right there, Will. I got two kids.

Listen, all right. So, moving forward, anyway, I told them, I said, look, I can't, endorse something that I wouldn't give my kids. So I wouldn't give my kids McDonald's. Right. So I can't endorse this. So it was my values that was kind of like pulling that. And they were just kind of like, oh, we got nothing for you.

So I fired them. Damn, son. And so two years ago. What was that second agency? Vanguard. Vanguard. Yeah. Vanguard.

Vanguard. Like the index funds. Yeah. It wasn't them, though. That was just a different one. So like it, same, same but different. Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't know if it was like an umbrella. like Vanguard's like, hey, we're going to branch off me in agency now, too. No, I mean, they could if they wanted to. But, so anyway, I got connected to VaynerSports from one of my friends in college. And it was like, hey, have you heard of Gary Vaynerchuk? And I was like, who? And so I started Googling them and, you know, taking them in doses and taking it. Yeah.

Shoot, I just broke in the bike. That's all right. Can't smell it from here. All right. Well, now you're getting us sick. Oh, look. It's just my allergies. So, anyway, I got.

got in touch with VaynerSports and, I mean, bro, like, their business roll of decks and their network, insane. They weren't approaching the sports agent, you know, industry from the same perspective as everybody else. Right. They were approaching representing athletes for more of a business mindset. And it's like, hey, look, we have this whole rolodex of companies that we work with. Let's leverage that. Not everybody's going to be a Gatorade ad or a Pepsi ad, you know, those huge ads. But we do have something like a.

an accounting service who likes the service entrepreneurs that want to be affiliated with an NFL guy. Oh, and by the way, they'll pay you 50 racks. So I was like, okay, well, that makes sense to me. I like what they're doing. Where do I sign? Exactly. So I think what they did, and I think what they're doing is they're evolving and they're kind of challenging the status quo of what an agent looks like instead of, you know,

getting, collecting a check and kind of seeing your next contract, you know, I went to Vayner and they had no incentive from my agent. contract because I was still for my old agent. So they were just basically getting paid on what they brought to the table. And, you know, through the last two years, I've been able to kind of reach out to them, but hey, do you have a connection with this guy? And AJ, like, hey, one second. And literally within, you know, 24 hours, he would have me connected to that person.

So their network were so strong that I was able to tap into that and leverage it to say, hey, look, this is what I'm, this is the things that I'm focused on. Can you help me get in contact with this person or set up a meeting or a call? and they were able to do that. And on the marketing side, I mean, they just looked into their roll of decks of companies and to say, hey, look, we have this company here. They want to work with you. They're willing to pay or get you an equity deal and whatnot.

And so that's the other thing that we started to look at is how can we get equity out of companies instead of just getting compensation. So like the beyond meat deal that me and my wife are part of, like we were brand ambassadors, but we didn't take any money up front. We just took equity. And so, you know, I got to thank my wife for negotiating that deal. it's almost like having the long term in mind where you don't have to take the quick cash. Right.

And it's like I could have took $50,000 from Beyond Meet, but I took $30,000 worth of equity. And I mean, you see what Beyond Me's doing right now. Yeah. So it's like having that mindset and that approach to kind of say, look, let's not, let's think more long term on things. And VaynerSports has really done a great job of helping me approach the business, you know, side of things from that advantage point. And athletes are becoming more aware of themselves as a business more than just a football player. Like guys that in our circles all the time are getting into different endeavors for different things all the time. Like you, yourself, Taylor is.

I try to. But it's pretty dope, man. Talk about your wife and the whole, the whole beyond, not even beyond me, but the whole vegan stuff. I'm a big carnivore. Talk about that, man. Talk about how much of a stud your wife has been in this whole. process. Have you guys ever tasted my wife's food? Yeah, I've tasted some. Like when I'm still with the guys, sometimes you guys will tell me a bite her too. Did he make, she made the Kwan's food? Yeah. Yeah, I taste

it then. Okay, cool, cool, go. So you kind of see how she cooks, right? So the, the types of food that she cooks doesn't make you want to feel like you're compromising, right? When I think vegan, I was like, man, I got to eat nothing but vegetables. Like, we literally tried to go vegan in 2015. And my, my wife went to Whole Foods and she bought a whole bunch of vegetables. And we just came home and dumped it on the counter. We're like, what the hell do we do with this? Right. And we lasted like seven days.

And we, you know, we failed. And we, you know, this back around 2017, I was looking for different ways to enhance my recovery because I kept hearing that it cut down inflammation. And I was consulting with this nutritionist. She kept sending me research and research. And I kept looking it up. And I'm like, shoot, I'm going to try it. It's all season. It's like March at this time.

Let's try it. So I slowly started to cut out red meat I cut out poultry eggs and then the last thing to go was dairy And so what I realized was What I started to notice was Every time I ate something that didn't have animal products in it I felt like I was

I didn't have that slump You know when you eat something You kind of your body kind of takes a little bit To get back going Because that's your body breaking down Whatever you put into your stomach So it's creating It's using a lot of energy to break down

whatever you eat. So when you eat more of a plant-based diet, it's easier on your system to process that and digest it. So you can use that energy for other systems in your body. And so for me, that was another thing I looked at. I have hereditary high blood pressure. And so I was 21 years old with high blood pressure as a division one athlete. Like, that didn't make sense to me. And so when I got my blood panels back, that was back to perfect, you know, the levels were amazing. So that dropped, my C-reactive protein, which is your inflammation dropped. And then just my overall energy, bro, like, I felt great. Like, the first year I went through it was 2017, and we're in training camp.

And, you know, like, day 9, 10, training camp, you start to get, you feel everything. And I was still waking up, like, I'm straight. Like, I'm a little sore, but I'm good. You know what I mean? This is, like, year seven at the time. And I was feeling really good. I was scared because the whole myth is what, the protein. right the protein protein protein how can you you know how's that going to affect you and so when i

came back to training camp i still felt strong i still felt good and my weight was still pretty sustainable i was like 262 but my body fat had dropped you know my my body just kind of leaned out so i'm a big believer in it bro um i tell people look if you can do maybe like one meal a day that's that doesn't have meat then you're you're on the right track we know we don't look at it from like a judgmental standpoint because we get judged, bro, like vegans will judge us for wearing leather shoes and I'm like, dude, like, I'm not

on that level, you know what I mean? So... It'll get kind of crazy. That shit will get kind of out of hand, dude. Like, if you're like, first off, what other people do is none of your business, number one. So, fuck off. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting pissed off for you. I just hate it when people are like, I'm doing this

so everybody should do this. It's like, listen, like, I'm not a vegan. Do I think there's a place for it in this world? Absolutely. If someone's a vegan and I'm not, does it piss me off? Absolutely not. Right. You know? Right.

But I think, like, you know, I think people are trying to find these crazy, like, health, like, go in and, like, I'm going to be vegan now. Yeah. But they don't understand what that means. You can be vegan and be unhealthy. You know what I'm saying? You can be vegan, be unhealthy. And it's like sometimes, kids, start, don't put, don't eat processed meat. Like, grass fed.

Take care of your body. Yeah. Take your body in the right ways. Like, don't, things that are natural. Right. Look at the nutrition. Fas in the back of a thing. And if there's words you can't pronounce, probably not.

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. And that's a great way to start. You'll start to feel the energy. It is a lot of greens. Greens are, you can help you. Right.

Have those fats. People are so scared of the word fats because they don't want to be fat when fats help. Exactly. Like fats help you're like if, like if you, people want to do a keto diet. Yeah. Those types of things. Dairy, yeah. I cut out dairy.

Oh, yeah. And it feels amazing. Right. I don't eat cheese now. If you look at cheese when it's melted, like that's in your body. That's going to feel sluggish. but and it's if people are going to do vegan like I've seen people that have gone vegan and they look amazing it looks so healthy they look great um their you know their body mass is

still there and they have their high functioning I've seen other people go vegan and maybe they're doing something different or whatever but they don't look great right they almost look sickly at times and so it's important just like people want a quick fix for everything that's 2019 everyone wants to look at and see an article and be like that's it that's what I'm going to do yeah but in reality it's like you have to educate yourself on some stuff you're in a documentary coming out so sorry go ahead yeah it's all right I thought you stopped there oops on my part

oops a daisies yep just the middle of a rant but okay anyway long story short like there's a lot of things you need to be afraid of like um not afraid of there's a lot of things you need to not fear because of fear propaganda like that what's that documentary that came out with the what the hell

what the health like a lot of that I I haven't seen that but I've seen a doctor's reaction to it and stuff and There's a lot of things in there are good. Like there's, when you're talking about animal agriculture, like, that's scary enough as it is. That is bad for the environment.

You don't have to fluff it up or make it worse to cause like a fear propaganda. Like there are things like we've talked about in this podcast, you can do a lot to help this world. Right. Now taking care of animals and doing it the right way and using every bit of the animal. Like those are good ways for people that want to eat me. But it's like it's all about making choices and doing your, you know, your homework. Get your blood done. Right.

see what you're deficient in and work on those things. You're going to feel better, but it's not just a flip at the switch and it's over. It's a process. Yeah. You're part of a documentary coming out, aren't you? Yeah. I saw you boost that. What's it called?

It's called game changers. Is it going to change the game? I think it will. Really? Yeah. I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger was in it, so it kind of piqued my attention. Damn. Yeah, it's about plant-based athletes, really.

Right. You know, it's everybody from weightlifters to people who run track, football players, Lewis Hamilton The racecar driver Yeah I think Was Venus Williamson Or Serena Williams I think she may be a part of it

But yeah When's that dropping? September Yeah It's pretty dope You know James Cameron Yeah Platanic

Titanic Oh okay yeah He's exactly a producer on it And so Yeah it seems to be a game change Let me get on this Yeah I'm a little plant base right now

Yeah I changed back everything I just said I'm going to do my fucking homework I'm in that thing James Cameron's doing it Yeah I love Leo

Let's do this thing For people curious about this being a vegan or vegan diet and kind of the way you go about nutrition, the nutrients that you don't necessarily get in a vegan diet, I want to know how you get this stuff in your body, whether it be vitamin B. You've heard all that kind of stuff. Vitamin B12, vitamin D, the iodine, iron, calcium, and zinc. Like, how do you, do you supplement that? Do you supplement that stuff? And I think that if you take a, you know, a, a, uh, a, uh, a, big enough sample from the general population. I think we're all deficient in those.

In those? Okay. Yeah, because if you look at vitamin B12, we used to get that from the soil. Right. But now the soil has been so overly farmed and it's so nutrient, you know, depleted. Right. That we don't even get B12 from the soil no more.

So I think that we would all be deficient in B12 if we did, you know, blood panels and on a regular diet. So I think that, you know, understanding what could be the deficiencies with a vegan diet and supplementing. I mean, there might be. days where, you know, I don't have all my macros in a meal. Correct. And I'll just drink a protein shake, bro.

Like 40 grams of protein, P protein, and I'll get my amino acid profile. And so it's just, I think people kind of get overworked up about the protein thing. It's like, dude, all I got do is drink a shake. I'm cool. I got my full amino acid profile. I got my full protein needs for the day. And I'm straight. Yeah.

You know, but supplementation. What's your guy? as you're and your wife's business called, company called. Shoot, my wife is, she got her own business. She's like, hey, you know, I know we did that, that appearance together, but I need my half. Yeah. For her, that's awesome. Start plugging that, dude.

Yeah. So her, I mean, it's Chef Charity Morgan. That's, you know, that's her brand, her personality. And then, you know, she's, her business is a plant life chef. And so she does, I call her a transitional chef. So if you're on the fence and you're thinking about going plant-based and you want to try things, she's that person that can make you a mac and cheese or like a shrimp po-boy. Fun food that people are familiar with.

Yeah, like, exactly. So you don't have to go and eat a quinoa bowl. Like, what's that? Like, I used to call it canoa. Like, people don't even out of pronouncing stuff. So I think that, you know, that's what she's really amazing at. And she does a great job. There's a reason 15, 20 guys are on our meal plan.

Yeah, right. It's just that you don't have to compromise them to taste. And it's hard. You know, it's Hardy Meals. So I think she's doing a good job of kind of creating a brand for herself. She's in talks with some networks to do a show. It's the reason I'm retiring because, you know, she's retired. You got a sugar mama.

Yeah, yeah, you got a sugar mama now. Yeah, but now she's doing really good on that. And, you know, we just, we're trying to collaborate and enhance each other's efforts whenever we had the time. But, you know, she's doing her thing. I'm doing my thing. And then we come together on something. What's her?

What's the website? Chef Charitymorgan.com. And you could find her on Twitter and Instagram, Chef Charity Morgan. So we need it right there. Yeah. Your philanthropy work. Yeah. Talk about the things that you're involved in.

For sure. The philanthropy has been an evolution over the years. And really, bro, like, it's like the foam-bo. It's kind of a form of a phone-all of, like, not wanting to look up 10 years from now. But, like, damn, I should have did this while I had the platform. Like, I should have made this relationship where I should have did. this because the one thing I started to adopt is

there's a fear of kind of doing stuff and taking a risk but I think the feeling and the regret from not taking risk is something that I want to avoid more so than not because I'm okay with taking a risk and trying

and failing or something even if I fail at least I try you know I mean so through that I've been looking at just different ways to always give back and, you know, being that we've gotten to this certain level, people look at us as an example. And so you want to do the right things and you want to help people and you want to do everything you can. And I've always been like, I over-analyzed things.

It's like, man, I did this football camp, but this kid's still going back to the same environment. I didn't really equip him with tools like he probably won't make the NFL. So what did I do to really help this kid other than meeting a professional? besides him just playing football for a day. Yeah, like what, and not to say that those are bad things. Like, those are still good things. Like, he'll probably remember that the rest of his life. But in terms of being more sustainable and really giving people tangible resources.

And so I've always looked at that. And as I started to, like, look at my money and what my money was doing, it wasn't always matched up with the philanthropy. It's like I'm doing the football camps, the back-to-school drives, the turkey giveaways. But my money is invested. over here in the stock market, and I don't know what that's doing. Right. So I started to look into things. I watched this documentary called The 13th.

Have you guys seen that? It's on Netflix? It's on Netflix. It's called 13th. You know, the 13th Amendment is what abolished slavery. But there was this caveat in that bill where it basically said that you could still enslave people for criminal charges. Is this the what you called me about that one time when you were calling about,

hey, looking into all the companies that you're, okay, okay. private prisons. Yeah. Check this out. What that, what that 13th Amendment did was saying that, you know, if you committed a crime, no matter how petty it was, I could lock you up. So right after slavery was abolished, all these black people were getting locked up for petty offenses, loitering, you know, smoke, like just different little petty offenses. Right.

And I would lock you up and I would get free labor. So it was essentially slavery. At the end of the day, it was just that I criminalized. you and I made you a criminal and I was able to extract free labor out of you. And so what you see now with the private prison industry is it's the same thing. You know, we have the, we have the world's largest prison population. And the ratio and how that adds up, stacks up to the rest of the world's population is completely out of balance. And so when you look at the statistics around the people that are in prison and for petty offenses and all those things,

it's a reason why that happens. When we talk about private prisons, they're incentivized to keep people locked up. So if you come to me and I'm a judge and I have some type of affiliation with a private prison group, like a GEO group or Core Civic, that may be on, I might be on their payroll.

So if you come to me and you're a kid and you kind of mess up. As a judge, you're saying as a judge, okay. I'll be more incentivized to lock you up because I know that those Core Civic and those GEO groups, they have a certain quota to make. So if they're not, if they're not imprisoning people at a certain rate, they're losing money. So they're incentivized to lock people up for petty things.

And so what I didn't know when I found out was that these companies are public companies that are traded on the stock market. And if you're part of a fund, the ETF and whatnot, you could unknowingly be invested in these companies. And so what I started to wake up was like, dang, like, let me call my financial advisor. Hey, am I in these companies? No, you're not. Okay, but what is my money doing? And so I started to kind of reallocate my private capital that was invested into more impactful investment. So affordable housing developments, technology training for underserved communities,

access to capital for minority entrepreneurs, all these different things to try to break these cycles. And so when you talk about philanthropy, I've kind of evolved into like a holistic approach. So hitting the philanthropy to charity, but also, you know, meaningful investments into these, you know, communities to try to. try to break these systemic cycles. And so what I've done recently, we formed an opportunity zone fund to basically go into these same communities, but do what I've been doing at scale. You know, we're sitting right now in an opportunity zone. I don't know if I talk to you about this.

You mentioned it, but you ain't going in much detail. So it's like if you're an opportunity zone business and I invest in you, I can basically get a tax-free investment on any type of liquid. So if I have a capital gain and I reallocate that capital gain to the opportunity zone, right? To the opportunity zone business or development or whatnot. And if I hold that investment for over 10 years, it becomes tax-free. Correct. So what you're seeing is a lot of these private institutions, family offices, they have a lot of capital gains. And then some people estimated that being a $6.1 trillion market. So when these money flows into these communities, if it's it's not done the right way, then what you're going to see is more gentrification, more displacement,

less ownership from the community. So my whole thing is making sure that I can do my part to make sure the investment is done the right way. So it's not just top down. Like the worst thing a community can ever want is somebody coming in and telling them what they're supposed to do. Here, I'm here to help you. I'm here to help you solve your problems.

I don't care what you say. This is what we're going to do. And so that's where it's like, for me, I feel like when you go into these communities, it has to be an inclusive approach. Because I can't come into your home and your community and tell you what you need without having a conversation with you first. And so what you're seeing is people reallocating their money to these communities, but solely based on the financial return. So what we're doing with our fund is essentially having a double bottom line. So you have a financial return, but you also have some type of social or environmental return as well. So we look at it as a very intentional investment approach to revitalizing communities.

And, you know, we're looking at Nashville, Atlanta, Austin, where my partner is, Coltsville, where I'm from. There's opportunity zones in all these cities. And, you know, we have relationships within all these markets. And you're just trying to be more intimate with those areas other than letting the very top just kind of decide, here's where all the, here's what this money is going to go to. So then it doesn't kind of separate everything. Exactly.

Because if you look around Nashville, that's like how many cranes are in the sky, bro? A lot. It's like 50% of America's crane or America's cranes are here. Are you serious? Some percentage like that. That's high. So like, but if you go drive around North Nashville, like, it's pushing out to North Nashville.

But what you see are people like these sleazy developers, if I had, if you're, if you're a resident in a home and I want to buy your home and you won't sell it, they'll go tell Metro and report codes on you and say, look, they're not in compliance. Their roof is messed up or they're not following this so you can get evicted and I come and snatch your home up so I can tear it down and build a tall and skinny and have somebody move in. Two tall and skinnies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a lot.

Exactly. So that's what you see is happening. These people are not, you know, privy to what's going on and they're getting taken advantage of because they just don't have the financial literacy or the education and understand it. And so that's what I'm trying to prevent, you know, and play my role, prevent from happening. And so, yeah, I mean, that's what I've been focused on the last couple of months, and we're trying to really do it the right way. That's awesome, being there.

You're a stud, man. Are we over? That's incredible. Yeah, he said, are we over? Yeah, yeah, one minute, one hour. What's four three? Nothing. Maddie wanted to talk a little ball back there.

Well, it was a recommendation. I apologize, me. It was a recommendation. 4-3 is four defensive linemen and three linebackers. Is that what I'm talking about? A transition from a 4-3D into a 3-4 outside back here. We were just, me and my head, I was like, we already, we already know, like, there's going to be a lot of topics that you'll be able to kind of go in depth with.

Okay. Are we out of time? Yeah, I mean, shoot, we've been right. If you want to hit what it was like to transition from a four three linebacker, three four linebacker, go ahead and hit that quick. Bro, I thought I was about to get either traded or released. I called my agent at the time and I was like, hey, they just hired Ken Wizzahunt. He's a three-four guy. Like, what's up?

Am I getting released? Like, no, they definitely see you as being a part of their plans moving forward. I'm like, yo, this is the political answer. Yeah, like, but I'm like, yo, this is my contract year. You just changed my position. And so I was like, okay, I had to either take it on an approach of, nah, I'm not doing that, or I had to approach it with an open mind. And that's what I did.

And so I think it's all about mindset, right? You know, it's all about your approach and your mentality on certain situations. So if you focus on the bad, that's all you're going to see is bad. But if you focus on the, you know, the positive outlook, you'll start to see the opportunities in it. And that's exactly how I approached it. And so for me, I think it worked out because, you know, because, you know, playing 4 3M, that's a lot more grinding and hitting 3-4 outside linebacker. You're still in the trenches, but, yeah, I might drop out for coverage every other couple plays,

and that kind of saves your body. So I took it on the approach of that, and then when you have Dick LaBow coming in and running that 3-4, that's unreal. I love that 3-4. I could play that, you know, for 10 years. And so, you know, it's all about the scheme fit. And I think that the scheme, the 3-4 scheme fit me and guys like Brian and Ragbo's skill set. very well. Like we weren't

dropping in the coverage every play. We weren't at the nose, taking on double teams, doing things that were outside of our skill set. And so I think it's all about the scheme and definitely helped us. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it, boys.

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