Bussin' With The Boys - Drake Maye for MVP? Week 10 NFL Recap + Joey McGuire On Texas Tech’s BYU Win & The Transfer Portal

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are joined by former NFL star and current FOX analyst Greg Olsen to break down all the action from Week 10 of the NFL season.   The Boys and Olsen discuss the New England Patriots’ resurgence and Drake Maye’s rise as a legitimate MVP candidate. Greg also shares his thoughts on the Tush Push, explaining why he loves the play and believes it shouldn’t be banned. The crew debates whether the NFC might actually be stronger than the AFC, and they dive into big storylines around the Seahawks, Rams, and the Dolphins’ upset win over the Bills and Josh Allen.   Later, Texas Tech head coach Joey McGuire joins the show to recap the Red Raiders’ incredible season so far — including their big win over BYU, how they’re navigating the transfer portal, and McGuire’s coaching ties with Matt Rhule.   Finally, The Boys recap a wild Week 11 in college football, where the ACC may have reshaped the playoff picture. They debate whether Fernando Mendoza or Julian Sayin should be the Heisman frontrunner and break down the Indiana–Ohio State matchup and other key games from the weekend. TIMESTAMPS:   0:00 Open 2:10 Greg Olsen Begins 2:50 Is Mike Vrabel Coach Of The Year? 6:00 Best Team In NFL? 10:10 Rams v Seahawks Next Week 12:25 Packers v Eagles Tonight 14:00 Is It Tough When You’re Calling A Bad Game? 16:20 Panthers v Saints 18:20 Bears v Giants 25:45 Bills v Dolphins 30:45 AFC North Is A Battle 45:35 Titans #1 Pick 48:25 Tier Talk 1:14:41 CFB Begins 1:15:30 ACC is CHAOS 1:21:40 Nebraska v UCLA 1:23:30 Joey McGuire Joins 1:24:00 Game Against BYU 1:26:30 Getting All The Transfer Portal Guys 1:28:35 Jacob Rodriguez Is A STUD 1:31:15 Culture Of The Team 1:33:40 Relationship With Coach Rhule 1:37:15 What Would It Mean To Win A Big 12 Championship? 1:40:18 Indiana v Penn State   Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/BUSSIN to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you and receive $15 OFF your first order.   For the Best Clean, Pants Down: use DUDE WIPES!  Head to DUDEWipes.com or find them at Amazon, Walmart and other Major Retailers.   Go to https://www.liquid-iv.com/ and get 20% off your first order with code Bussin at checkout.    FanDuel: Sign Up for FanDuel: fanduel.com/bussin Check out FanDuel Promos: https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/promotions   Must be 21+ and present in select states (for Kansas, in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino) or 18+ and present in D.C. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call [phone] for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. But it's so much fun to watch college football. Oh, it's a great product. It's just a mess of a sport. Knowing as much as you know about college football, or just football in general. When you watch college, you see all of these idiotic mistakes taking place.

So all these crazy explosives happen. It is so entertaining. NFL is just so put together. That's the thing. It's like the good teams are just going to play good ball, continue to win, do their thing. Like you watch the Patriots.

It's like they don't make mistakes. They have their explosive runs here and there. They have their explosive. But it's like they're just going to keep trudging along. They might be the best team. Is Mike Vrable, your coach of the year right now, Greg? Yeah.

I think so. I think, and again, I'm not sure if they have the roster. I think there's a lot of people saying, you know, they're going to win the Super Bowl. I'm not there yet. I think, obviously, they're a great story. I think Drake May finds himself in the top,

you know, probably three guys in the MVP race, three or four, I can make an argument that are all kind of in it together. I think Brable is the front runner, buy out. I'm trying to think who would even be. McDonald's. I guess the reason Vrable holds it for me is just considering, obviously, he's just getting started. Yeah.

You know, like he's just, he's brand new and how bad they've been prior. It's not so much that they're good. It's how fast they've gotten good. I think we saw elements of Seattle last year, even though the offense was a bit disjointed. And obviously, McDonald realized pretty quickly that he had to get that figured out, Kubiak but um yeah that that's what that's what gives the the lead in my mind to Vrable just how good he's gotten a team that's been bad for i mean they've been like bad bad for multiple seasons prior to him getting there yeah who oh yeah i forget he does he's probably got old

portnoy saying they're going to win the super bowl uh but let me ask you this oh portnois just portnoi he's his video his video was robert craft in the suite hey listen they are good i i'm just I'm not there. I'm not ready to say they're going to win the Super Bowl yet. Yeah, Super Bowl's a stretch. The only thing holding them back is the roster. Because they really, they have the buy-in. They play the game well.

But it's like, at what point do you get overwhelmed? Because they just, they actually just don't have the talent on their roster to be like, okay, this is a Super Bowl contending team. But they, buddy, Drake, man. I mean, imagine if he had like, number one wide receivers. Not, not Stefan Diggs who's coming off in ACL, not Booty who, you know, kind of has been like a. You don't really know what he is.

He's a two or is he a three. He's just, it doesn't matter who's out there. He is just putting the ball where it needs to be. Tight in, Henry. Let me ask you guys something. If the Patriots win the AFC East, and let's just say they're a three-four-loss team, and there are one seed in the AFC.

How do you not give Drake May the MVP? Oh, I think you do. If he continues to play at the level, like I don't know who's in your mind. Probably some staff for Jonathan Taylor. If he gets the number one seat, I think you do. The knock, because I agree, but the knock is going to be their schedule. Because everyone, even when you put out, like, bro, this isn't college football. I know it's the NFL, but even when I tweeted out yesterday, the Patriots are the best team in the NFL.

And all the people that are anti-patriots is just all the conversation is revolving around their schedule and how bad it is. Because they were fourth last year in the AFC East. So you're fourth, obviously you're playing against all the other fourth as well. And I just think. So you got them winning the Super Bowl. If you're saying they're the best team in the NFL. No, I think they're the best team in the NFL. right now, I think the Super Bowl winner is going to come out of the NFC West.

You think the Patriots right now are playing at a higher level than the Rams than the Seahawks? I think they're playing at a higher level, yes, from what they have. They are doing more with less than the other team. Drake May is playing an MVP caliber. Right now, November 10th, whatever day it is, they're the best team in the NFL, even though, I mean, the Seahawks put a crazy display on defense and offense and Sam Donald's playing credible. I think eventually the Patriots are going to lose. They're going to lose one or two or even three more games, even with the easy schedule they have.

Sean McVeigh, McDonald, those are the two coaches that I see hoisting the Lombardi at this point going into the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's a mind twist right there. I got Seattle and the Rams better than the, if they played tomorrow, I got Seattle and the Rams both beating the Patriots. I agree. God, Seattle, Seattle.

We talked about, I think we talked about this last week that coming into the season, the presumption was the AFC had all the heavy hitters, right? It had, you know, the three big horse, you know, MVP guys with Lamar, Josh Allen and Mahomes. And then the next tier of AFC teams that everyone thought were on the rise. I mean, I think everyone, Denver has, I guess, the best record. Aren't they right now the best record? They do. They do.

They came home Thursday night. I don't think anyone pretends that they're the best team in the conference. I don't think that's, if you've watched them play. I don't get any point. Not anymore. That was last week. That was last week. I mean, after that game, it's easy to jump ship.

Sorry, Greg. No, no. So I think coming into the season, right, it's always been where do all the heavy hitting quarterbacks lie? They've lied in the AFC. Now they've got another one in Drake May. But I think right now the best teams, the best balanced offense, defense,

passing game, coaching. I think the best teams are in the NFC. I think the depth of quality NFC teams even if all the superstar name quarterbacks might be on the other, you know, in the AFC, I think the Rams, I think Seattle. I still think Philly's going to be in it down the stretch just because they've got their roster so good and they've been there before. You know, you could, I still think Green Bay is going to be in the mix when it all comes,

you know, tonight's game is going to be awesome. Detroit. Detroit's still going to be in the mix. Dan Campbell takes over play calling. They score 1,000 points in 500 yards. So it's, I just, I think the quality, Tampa Bay, I think if they ever get all of their guys back healthy, I know they lost obviously yesterday to New England, but, you know, it feels like that's a roster that just needs to get some of their guys back and their contender. I mean, you look at potentially the seven teams out of the NFC in the playoffs.

I think you can make an argument that all seven, regardless of you're the seventh wild, you're the seventh seed wild card or you're the number one seed with a buy. I think you can make an argument you can see all of them making a run. Yeah, I would agree with that. Absolutely. Yeah, I just, the thing about the Patriots that right now make them the best team to me is the balance they have on offense.

Drake May has been outstanding throwing a deep ball, but I know this conversation always goes back to the run game, Greg. But they ran the ball effectively. They had explosives. Was it Henderson? Is that his name? Henderson, two explosives, two touchdowns. The fact that he's as fast as he is,

he's able to look over to the sign line. should I score, should I not score? Like, that team to me is playing the best football in the NFL right now. I mean, did you guys, were you guys able to watch the Seattle Cardinals game? No. That was incredible. The game was just watching Seattle and then being able to take over in the first quarter. It was, I think they scored their 21st point, like three seconds into the second quarter.

Because then they have a defensive touchdown. They had two defensive touchdowns. It was Knight who caused both fumbles. and it was Demarchus Lawrence who picked up the ball both times and scored touchdowns. And like the plays were like identical. I might have been the same exact blitz. And then the first drive, obviously Sam Donald goes in. Those are to JSN who's putting up numbers that no one's ever seen before.

He's on pace to break the record. Like that was a fun, fun game to watch. How do you go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just going to piggyback and just I agree with everything you said. Just to look ahead the next weekend because Rams got Seattle next weekend, yeah? Yeah, I got the game.

Oh, what do you? I think it's the best game of the season. Oh, absolutely. From a pure football team standpoint, coaching, rosters, quarterback play, all of it. Style of play. I think through 11 weeks, it's the best. It's the best. Now, can the game live up to it?

Who knows? We've had some incredible, fun, dramatic games, great endings, overtimes. So who knows if it lives up to that? but just the billing of the matchup, two of the best three teams at worst, two of the best four at worst in the entire league. Going up against each other, I am thrilled that we got this game. And they're two of my favorite teams to study. I think the style in which they play.

They're both using that big personnel stuff we talked about at length last week. We talked about Seattle's doing it at a 12. And the Rams have been an 11, three-wide receiver team for 1,000. years and all of a sudden now they're in 13 big jumbo personnel big bodies and they're just wearing teams out i think it's a fascinating storyline both teams both quarterbacks um i think it's the through 11 games the game of the year yeah no i agree who do you who would you have who would you edge it out to going into this game i'd have to tell you on friday i i haven't started like really diving in and studying them just yet i've i've had each team

once but real early in the season. I had the Rams in that game that they really played well through the first half. And then Philly came to life, blocked a couple of those field goals there at the end to beat the Rams in Philly early. And then I had the week one game of Seattle. So it was the first game of Kubiak, first game of Sam Darnel. They lost at home to the 49ers. So it's been a while since I've actually studied them and had them. I've just watched them from afar. but I think they're both really good. Come Friday, I can give you a better assessment. But, man, it's the best matchup, bar none.

Staying in the NFC, previewing tonight's game with the Packers Eagles. Who do you see coming out on top of there in Green Bay? I saw a stat that Green Bay hasn't lost back-to-back games in like 12 years or something outrageous. So, you know, I always kind of look at those stats with a grain of salt because, like, none. of these guys were ever a part of that 12-year run. But we saw Green Bay stink it up. I was there live, called it, and that loss to the Panthers. So I expect them to bounce back.

I expect them to be a little bit more aggressive offensively at home. I've just seen Philly too many times look dead to rights, and then you look up in the fourth quarter and they're winning. They're just such a hard team to beat traditionally over the last couple of years. if you put a gun to my head right now, I think Philly wins, but I think Green Bay looks light years better than they did last week. I think they take the governor off.

I think they put the game in Jordan Love's hand, let him go out there and be the dynamic passer that he is. Don't play the style of all these other teams want to and muddy it up. Is the weather going to be nice? I have no idea. Is it going to be a decent night in Lambo? Do you guys have any idea? No clue.

Let's pretend that it is. Maybe a little chilly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Again, that always changes things a little bit. But if it's a neutral normal day and they can, you know, they can let it rip and throw it. I think, I mean, I have to imagine they'll look a hell of a lot better than they did last week against Panthers. I, dude, I got a question for you just from a broadcasting standpoint when you, obviously, you're one of the best in the game now.

But when you were first starting and you would catch a game like that Packers Panthers game last week, was there like a new level? of stress one, be like, yo, this game's a lot, that's kind of shitty. There's nothing really to talk about. Whether there's like a panic mode in the second half, or was it always kind of just easy for you to go through everything? No, those are the worst, those are the worst games, right? So that's the irony of calling games is, you know, you're never going to make everybody happy. Everybody thinks when you're negative or critical of their team or a decision that you don't like the coach or you have history with the organization or, you know, it's because of some random game earlier in your career and you've hated the team ever since.

It's all nonsense, right? Like we call games that we hope are competitive. We want them to be dramatic. We want them to be a one possession game in the fourth quarter and have a little drama. Now, the Packers Panthers game last week was that. It was a game winning walkoff field goal. So there was drama. It was just bad ball, right?

There's not a lot of points. Nobody can score touchdowns. It's a rock fight. It's a hundred handoffs. It's just it's not entertaining football, but the saving grace is the end, the ending. can sometimes save a game that wasn't overly cooperative throughout. And I think that's as a broadcaster, that's all we care about. We don't care who wins, who loses.

We don't have narratives. We don't determine the outcome of the game. People think we're calling for penalties or not. Like we call it as we see it. I couldn't care less who wins. But we do want drama. We do want close games. We want the game to come down to the end and be situational

and managing the clock and managing timeouts. And the strategy that comes out of drama, at least to me personally, is like, those are the games I live for. We've been very lucky this year. We've had a million great endings. I had one yesterday in Chicago coming back in the fourth to beat the Giants. So that's what we pull for. But those real clunky games, especially the blowouts, it's a challenge, right?

The blowouts turn into a daytime talk radio show. and you just start covering random topics throughout the league. The game really is just going on in the background in the second half when it's a 30-point blowout. We're talking about bad football. What hell happened at the Panthers, bro? Dropping against the Saints? Yeah, that was bad. I mean, listen, the reality in the NFL.

Kind of one where you're like sitting there like, oh, you know, could the Panthers be a fun little story in the division? Could the Panthers be a fun story in the division? I know. I, man, I had a bad feeling all week. You know, I mean, you guys have been on these teams, right? Like, let's be honest here. We've all been in locker rooms that all of a sudden you get a taste of your first winning as that group, right? Guys have had success in random places, but maybe that group of guys has not experienced a ton of success.

No matter how you fight it, there is an element in the NFL to learn how to have a little success, whether that's individually, whether that's collectively as a locker room. and all of a sudden the Panthers look in their one game over 500 they just beat you know they just beat the Packers who people thought was a NFC contender on the road in Lambo and you start feeling pretty good about yourself and you start thinking that teams are beneath you and obviously the Saints are coming into Carolina as a one win team at the time and on their rookie quarterback they benched Rattler. So it's amazing how quickly you can forget your past and you can forget just the reality. and just say, you know what, let's just stay locked in on what we're doing. One week, we have not arrived, we are not that good, right? Like all those things that you had to constantly remind yourself as a player, the teams that can sustain winning over long periods of time,

there is an art to learning how to deal with success and learning how to deal with expectations. When you're the underdog and you're just a fun story and if you show up and upset the better team, great, but no one expects anything from you. That's actually an easy way to play. And I think for a lot of these teams that are just now, now starting to experience success, it takes a little time for them to get accustomed to it. Yeah. And it takes some success right now.

The Chicago Bears. They win like six of the last seven? Yeah, there's six and three right now. Yeah. It's just wild. I wonder how that game, I mean, they were up, Jackson Dart, he runs like a QB power to the left side right, gets a little concussion, gets a little conchied. And they're up by 10 at that point.

Am I correct? And is that right? Yeah, it was 17. 177. So 177, they're driving. They're either on the fringe of the red zone or in the red zone. They were, give or take, 20 plus side. I can't remember exactly the yard line. He ran, he had run the ball really well. He had already run for two touchdowns prior. And he ran a play, got into the open field, and C.J. Gardner Johnson put a hit. But he didn't hit him in the head. He hit him dead on the left arm, which is the side he was carrying the ball. And the ball popped up. He

grabbed it. And then he got driven. And he like face playing. into the turf and the ball popped out. So instead of them going in at minimum to make it 20 to 7 or potentially 24-7, they get nothing. And then they the next, oh, and then the next drive, they get the ball back. And so Chicago goes down, kicks a field goal to make it 1710. Now in the fourth quarter, Russ takes over. He takes them the length of the field. They get down to fourth and goal the one yard line to make it up 1710. They're trying to make it 2410. And they kick a field goal, fourth in goal.

The bears have too many men on the field. So we're expecting them to accept the penalty, go half the distance to the goal and get fourth and half a yard and try to score a touchdown. They elected decline the penalty. They take the three points. And that made it 20 to 10. And they didn't score another point. Caleb Williams took him on back-to-back touchdown drives in the fourth quarter,

and the game was over. Yo. I have no idea what to make of Caleb Williams, dude. I'll say what. At some point, he's a damn good football player, but also he just has these crazy, like, lapses in judgment sometimes. And yeah, he just holds the ball for, I don't know. You could give me more of insight on that.

I'm just, I don't know what to buy. Well, if I was a left tackle, I would agree with you, because I think past protecting for a man is, stressful. I don't think you. Now, I say that, and then I look at yesterday, if I'm the offensive line in Chicago, I'm buying him a steak dinner right now because the giants pressured him at one of the highest rates of the entire season that the bears have faced. They could not get him on the ground. It was almost like a, you know, like you see those videos of those like really talented high school kids where it looks like they're playing the wrong sport and they just,

no one can tackle them. Yeah. That's really what it looked like. I mean, Tibado, had him 10 times in the backfield, couldn't get him down. Brian Burns, has him, can't get him down. He's escaping, he's scrambling, he's making really accurate throws downfield. He got killed by drops yesterday. His team had probably six drops, easy. Yesterday, of all the tape that I had watched of him and all studying him, yesterday was by far the most impressive ball he's played, I think, through his first year and a half in the league. He was incredible escapeability. not taking sacks, which obviously was a huge issue last year. And then he was a lot more accurate throwing the ball downfield.

That had kind of been his shortcomings coming into the game. His accuracy, completion percentage was down. But his guys let him down a little bit with some drops. But he was fantastic. And then obviously the two games, the back-to-back touchdown drives to win the game late. It's as good a ball as he's played. It's as good a ball as you can play at the quarterback position. I'll tell you what, Dayball is not helping himself out with these hot.

conversations. I just think, Dave, I think if you're the ownership of the Giants, you've got to sit there and be like, you have a very unique quarterback personality-wise,

you have a very unique running back who's hurt personality-wise. They've given, they've given the Giants' life. You have a pass-rushing unit that every single guy can get double-digit sacks

if they really wanted to throughout the season. Like, give him one more year. But the whole decision on fourth and one to get a penalty and not taking it. Like, that to me is like,

you just, you've got to go for it. Two bad fourth, quarter losses. Yeah. We have the lead by 10. You're up. I freak.

Do what? The Giants have had the lead by 10 points in four in the fourth quarter. They had a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter four times lost all four games. Right. And I'm saying like the last two, like that's that right there. The last two like with the. The Broncos. With the Bears and the Broncos.

That decision on taking, hey, we'll decline this, another opportunity to try to score points and go up 24 to 10. Yeah. He doesn't have. All I'm saying is he's not helping himself. Are you calling for his head right now? No, I'm saying he's not helping himself. He doesn't help himself.

Yeah. And it's just... I agree because so much of the ball at times looks really good. You know, and again, they're playing without Malik neighbors. They're playing without Scataboo. Like, they're depleted a little bit at the skill positions. I think defensively they are grossly underperforming. The amount of the amount of capital, draft capital, free agent, you know, just in a cap, you know, allocation.

Only the Steelers have. spent more money. They've got to get more out of the defense. And you know, you have 10 point leads. I don't care if the offense takes a knee every play for the rest of the game. Like at some point, somebody, one of these first rounders, one of these top 10 picks, one of these 100 million dollar men, somebody up front needs to just make a play and end the game with a sack, a strip fumble, something. They can't take the ball away. They can't close games. And then just some of the decision making. And now what was ironic was he, he, Gable was super aggressive, rightfully so, super aggressive with fourth down the rest of the game.

I think he went for fourth down three or four times. Now they only got one, but he was super aggressive the entire game, not settling for field goals. The wind was a little tricky. So the like 40 plus yard field goals was a little dicey for both sides. Fourth and goal on the half yard line? Yeah. Yeah, you got to go after that. I mean, I mean, that's, I'm sure you're seeing the broadcast being like, okay, they got to go for it here.

And then you're just done found it. We were adamant. And then the second, we said it, the second they didn't go for it, it just felt like that was the knockout punch. And again, it was Russ's first drive taken over. So Dart got on the fumble, Dart hit his head. And he kind of got up slow. And then we kind of watched him go to the sideline.

And no one really checked him out. He kind of waved everyone off. And we thought he was just disappointed that he fumbled is why he got up slow. He came back out. He took two more plus. lays and then he disappeared into the tent and we never saw him again and obviously Russ takes over. But on the first drive, Russ's drive took him down to the one yard line. Russ tried to take it in on third down. He went back to pass, kind of got caught up in the pocket,

took off, ran hard, got stopped at the one. And then they kicked the field goal. So the first drive with Russell Wilson was by far their best drive in their most likely scenario to score a touchdown. over the next six plays following that field goal, they had six plays for minus two yards. So it was just, it was over. Yeah. Do you, were you able to watch the Bills Dolphins game at all? I wasn't.

It was going on the same time as ours. Because I put it on and it was already 16-0. It was like right before half. And then in the third quarter, Josh Allen takes them all the way down the field, throws a pick in the end zone. I don't know if this is before or after they do, like their version of the tush push.

He gets like six, seven yards. the ball gets popped out. And it just seemed like every single time the bill started to catch a little bit of momentum. The Miami Dolphins, who to me are as good as dead in the NFL season. Like they just kept stopping them and coming alive and putting Josh Allen, who is the running MVP in a situation where, okay, go do MVP things and he just didn't do it. Yeah. It was.

And too, like once the explosive pop against the bill's defense, which we've talked about before, like the running game. A chain, yeah. A chain, yeah. Like when those explosive play, a place happening. You're just Josh Allen on the sideline. You're just, I mean, you saw it a couple of times.

Body language. Yeah, his body language, him answering at the podium after the game. It just seems like a little bit of spark has been taken away from Josh Allen a little bit. But yeah, I could not believe the dolphins beat their ass yesterday. Beat their ass. And think of the two weeks that, you know, we talk about Carolina having a letdown, right? We talk about you're not used to being in that position. You just have a huge win on the road in Lambo.

But think of the last couple weeks of the, the bills. They win by 40 against the Panthers on the road. Then they have a huge matchup against the Chiefs where they really play well and they win against their biggest rival. And all of a sudden, it's like, all right, the bills are back. Any concern before the by week? We're not worried about those two losses. They are back. And then you said it, the dolphins were dead. Everybody was shocked that they didn't make a coaching change after that Thursday night debacle a couple weeks. What was that last week? A week before. Yeah. So, you know, I give the dolphins a lot of credit.

That is not easy, man. We've all been on those teams. Most guys, maybe not everybody, but most guys have been on those teams where it's just a tough season. It's a lost season. And it really just comes down to find that out in the locker room.

Like, who truly is willing to compete when you're not really in the running for anything? And you're really just playing for pride and you're playing for all this stuff people stand at the podium and talk about, but are you really willing to do it? That's pretty impressive. Like to come out and beat one of the top

the perennial one of the top teams in the league, a division rival. I give them a lot of credit, man, because they were in the bull's eye. People were taking shots from all over the place, calling for people's jobs. And I'll tell you what, the NFL is a funny world, man. It can flip on a dime, especially this year because I'm not sure there is a clear cut top dog. I think we have a group of teams that we think are they going to pull away. but it is a very, very even league right now. And obviously that's by design.

Yeah, too, like going off of it, like when you're out of it and being on those teams, it's like when you're pretty much out of everything and the GM gets fired and movement is happening in the organization. Like also your schedule kind of changes as a player too. Like you'll do more walkthroughs. It's like coaches start switching it up because it's like, hey, we're not fight for nothing. Guys seem a little depleted. Let's take care of them a little bit more sort of show up.

and put an ass beating on the bills like they did. It is. Like they're having fun in the locker room. The team is still fighting, which is, you know, hats off. Hats off to the staff. Hats off to the players for still, like, staying in the fight. Yeah. It's just so confusing when we talk about the Panthers and how they are a little bit above 500.

Maybe this group's never won before. So it's, like, understandable they go and drop them. But for the bills, it's like you guys have, since Josh Allen's been your quarterback, you have had success. You've been competing for Super Bowls going deep in the playoffs every single year. and having two back-to-back wins, obviously you have to get up big for your biggest rival like the Chiefs last week,

but there should be no drop-off. No, because you've had questions. Been there forever. Yeah. You got Josh Allen. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. Yeah, yeah.

Going over to- That's what makes this league so hard, though, right? Because everything we say about the teams that aren't used to winning having to learn how to sustain, the other side of that coin is, human nature of the reason certain organizations

don't have prolonged security. success, right? What the bills have done, the chiefs, the Patriots, some of these teams that have had long sustained periods of success. That is an absolute opposition to the way human nature works. It's the opposition of the way the league is designed. So that's equally challenging, right? That is an equally hard thing to do to get up knowing you are everyone's biggest game week after week. Maybe the roster is a little depleted. Maybe the injuries. Maybe you're not as good as you were in years past. But that when people see that bill's uniform and they see Josh Allen behind center. They just assume it's the same

Bill's team we've seen over the last couple of years this close to, you know, get into a Super Bowl. So expectations on either side of that coin can be crippling. What do you make it of the AFC North? Pittsburgh Steelers going out to the going out to L.A. getting pretty handled by the Chargers. And Ravens now. Ravens are coming. Ravens are coming. Ravens are coming.

I think the Ravens win it. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I And I know it sounds silly and they were left for dead and there was problems and the defense was historically bad yet albeit injured. And obviously Lamar is out and how long is he going to be out with the hamstring? And it seemed like the sky is falling. And you look at the, and I think everyone who looked at the division said, okay, right? You know, at the moment, the Steelers were on top. And I think at times the Steelers have looked really good.

And I think at times Aaron Rogers has looked like Aaron Rogers. And the defense makes, I think the defense makes, critical plays more than they are just like an overall good unit. I think they've spent a gazillion dollars on the defense. I think on a play-by-play basis, I don't think they're particularly great. I think they make incredible splash plays, right? Like it's the fourth quarter. You haven't called T.J. Watts name yet.

And then it's stripped, sack, fumble, and it's like the game is over. So like that's where they've kind of rested their head and that's where they've made their money. When they don't get those splash negatives, I think they're just okay. Last night, I'm with you. They got it taken to them by the Chargers. I still think they're solid. I still think like most years, the Tomlin-led team is going to be a playoff caliber group.

They're going to find themselves in it somehow, some way. But if I'm a bet man today, I think a healthy Lamar and a Baltimore team that's in a bad division, I think they're the favorite to win it, in my mind at least. Yeah, they're minus 270 on Fandle. one game back right now. The thing that's... So what does that mean?

Minus 270. So if you bet a... You have to bet $270 to win $100. And so they're... So that means... They are favored... So they have the... That would be the worst odds?

No. Yeah, they're... The Ravens, even though they're not leading the division right now, the sports book saying they're still a heavy favorite to win the division. So it speaks more about Pittsburgh not being... They're not going to be able to hang on. They're going to be too inconsistent down this stretch. Right.

And Aaron didn't... obviously didn't play well, but I don't understand why your running back. Jalen Warren has been playing so well and has been like get out of jail free card in a lot of ways for your running game. Last night you start running Johnson more who, you know, hasn't really been seen since he had that muffed kickoff return early in the season. It's like, why aren't you staying with this guy unless there's an injure we don't know about? Yeah.

Because he's like saved them a lot of ways. Like 12 personnel, big guys. We talk about like the way they run the ball. Like Warren, it does a great job of running the outside zone. and then the perimeter run game as well. And then this Johnson kid, he's kind of proven, did a great job at Iowa. He's kind of proven like he's got to learn a little bit more before we can see if he's really going to be successful. Like, just keep doing the same thing.

When your defense has a great game last week and I have to travel across the country to the West Coast against a really good defense in Jesse Minter's Chargers, you just, I don't understand that unless there's an injury we just don't know about. Yeah. It's frustrating. Just needed. I had them plus three. You had who? Pittsburgh.

I needed it. Oh, they're a plus? Yeah, Pittsburgh was underdogs. Yeah, I had him as well. That's heartbreaking. Dude, what can you make of J.J. McCarthy for me? Like, there's times he seems like, oh, this kid really has juice. Like he's got a couple third downs.

He's putting the ball in a perfect spot, only where the wide receiver can catch. And then other times he's scrambling. It's third and six. And he's got like 20 yards of open field in front of him. And he decides, I'm just going to throw it into double cover. or I'm going to take this play action pass and throw a deep shot into double coverage as well. Like, I know you're not a coach and I hate putting you on the spot, but like, what do we got going there? I think he's a young quarterback who hasn't played a lot of ball, right?

I mean, you think he lost his entire rookie year last year to injury. And then, you know, obviously Sam Darnold steps in and has an amazing season and carries it over. He missed a serious amount of time this year with the high ankle. You know, we covered a couple of those Vikings games where he was out and limited. turned it over to Carson Wend. So I think the reality for young quarterbacks in this league is they need to practice, they need game reps, they need practice reps. And when you think since he's come into the league, since he got drafted, the amount of time,

forget the games, the amount of practice reps lost due to injury, it's real. And I think we've seen quarterbacks that play for Kevin O'Connell in that system going back, we can rattle off five, six guys off the top of our head. Even the year that Kirk Cousins got knocked out, Kirk Cousins was playing so good. He tears his Achilles. And then he rolls in a bunch of guys that we didn't even know still were in the league and they just keep winning and winning and playing good ball.

And then obviously what he did last year with Sam. And then even at times before he got banged up, Carson Wentz played well. And then we found out that he was really dealing with something serious that led to the decline. So that offense is built for good quarterback play. I still think J.J. McCarthy is very talented. I think he looks like a young, talented quarterback. I think sometimes he looks in rhythm.

I think he's competitive. I think he's got a little shit to him. And then I think at times his head pops off. And I think that's very common, especially for that style of quarterback. And I don't think, you know, I think the Drake maze of the world and guys that come in and are a little bit more polished

and a little bit more refined and play within the system and they're not so, you know, improv, run around, scramble. Those guys have a little bit of a higher floor. just in the sense that you're not going to get the ebbs and flows and the chaos, right? But sometimes the spectacular that you get from J.J. McCarthy and Caleb Williams, when they're spinning in circles and running around, there's a magic to that. There's a fun, entertaining aspect.

The question is, is it sustainable? And I think what we know and have seen throughout the league is if you can sprinkle those plays in, great. They're great like get out of jail free cards. You can't rely on that style, play in, play out. You have to learn how to play within the conference. finds, understand the progressions, understand what you're seeing, and play in rhythm. And I think that's the element right now that's still a little bit of a learning curve with Kevin O'Connell up there

for McCarthy. Yeah, the learning curve, I feel like, is the key phrase there because, again, it's you got this young quarterback who just doesn't have the scarring that these other vet quarterbacks have that Kevin O'Connell's been able to work with. Like, this is kind of the first pick that he's getting to work with. And he hasn't had a whole lot of reps in the film room on the practice field, just having those QB conversations. I feel like there is that high level of IQ that you're going to have when sitting in a room with Kevin O'Connell breaking down offense. So we're just not going to be able to grade.

People are going to grade J.J. McCarthy. But you're not going to be able to actually get a feel for him probably until the middle of next year, first part of next year within those first six games. Yeah. To me, it's like, yeah, it's a rookie quarterback. He's out there. This is his fourth. What was it his fourth game?

I think it's fourth, fifth game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right around there, one of those two. Right, right, right. Now I'm with you. You see so many flashes that's like, oh, this kid can be special. And then he just does things. You're like, what are we doing here?

Yeah, just think, he was talking about head spinning, the chaos that ensues in certain moments to where you think you're in control, but not in a way that you want to have as like a poised quarterback who's seen and played a lot of football. Right, right. So when that happens, head goes down, he's going to be trying to make play. and everything else. Again, very much a young quarterback who there's just not enough. They're not enough of a sample size or body of work to grade him hard. People will because, again, you're in professional football. This is the nature of sport. And you're a top whatever 10,

11 pick. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Do we have any more for Greg before we let him know about this bet the boys parlay that's still alive and well tonight? I think that's the biggest key right there before we let him go. Yeah, Greg, you're the man. Thank you for coming on. Have you kept up with this bet the boys Parley. Ricky Dowdle hit anytime touchdown. Jamir Gibbs hit anytime touchdown. Kamani Vidal hit anytime touchdown. We have one left tonight. One more, Greg. One more lake. And it's Jaylon. It's Jalen Hertz anytime touchdown. Oh, that's a good one. The Tush Push team coming into Green Bay. Listen, I think Tush Push is going to be at the center of attention today. Remember Green Bay, amongst other teams. Green Bay was like front and center trying to eliminate the play.

I mean, if you're Siriani, I think I'm trying to do it as many times in Lambo field as the opportunities present themselves. So they get inside the three or four yard line. I think if it's first and gold inside the five, I think we're seeing tush push one, tush push two, tush push three, tush push four and saying I got four downs to tush push into the end zone. So of all the guys you just mentioned, I'm probably, I don't want to jinx it, but like I'm feeling best. about that. Nick Siriani has a huge opportunity for the ultimate troll, and that's to start the first play of the game in a touch push. First and ten.

You're on the 25. I've got to respect that level. Center and just, hey, you guys wanted this because it'll go for four or five on the first play. I'm on record, especially if they like shifted to it, you know, just don't like walk out of the huddle and just announce that you're going to run it. Like disguise it to some capacity. But I'm on record. I haven't, maybe not quite as much this year, but didn't it feel like with Kelsey two seasons ago?

It was either two or three seasons ago now. I can't keep track of it all. But it felt like they were getting three yards every time they ran a tush push. Like it wasn't like get a foot and a half. They were getting like three yards. I thought for a while there when they had Kelsey and they were really rolling a couple years ago with the tush push and it was new and teams weren't necessarily accustomed to it at that point. I thought at the end of the game like four minute offense. I thought they could have gotten first and 10, gotten under center, and run four consecutive tush pushes at the end of a game to get a first down and take a knee. Like I thought, I think they could,

I think back then, I don't know if they can do it anymore, but I thought a couple years ago, 10 yards and four tush pushes, I thought it was totally reasonable. Yeah, I'm with you. I would love to see that level of petty from Sireani. Would love to see.

Yeah, I'm not sure if they're there right now, but yeah. You got to win the game. It would still be great television, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would. Starting the game out like that. I'm a huge tush push.

I'm a huge tush push fan. Yeah. I think it's brilliant. You think it's good for football? I think it's great for the strategy of the game. I mean, is it the Philadelphia Eagles responsibility to carry what's good for the NFL on their backs?

I don't think it's their responsibility. Like the optics, I don't think any of that is any of their issue. I think it is a play that is highly effective. I think it's a play that nobody else seems. to be able to get right. And it is baked into every single decision that they make offensively from what they call on third and four to what they do on first and 10, to what they do on the plus side of the field,

to what they do in the goal line. I think there is a really deep, highly thought through strategy that the tush push being in their back pocket for a yard and a half, when you snap the ball at, if you told the league, I have to play first and 10, but you get to play first and eight. It's a huge advantage. I love it.

I love it until I hate it. I love it. Listen, would I want to be the guard? Would I want my, would I want my neck broken and dumped on top of? I don't know. Would I want to be the middle linebacker? I'm not saying I want to defend it,

but I think if I'm the coach, it's highly productive and it's a huge part of what they do. Yeah, I'm not like a, I don't love it. Like, I think it's amazing. But I hate the idea of banning. the tush push because it's so effective. Like,

course. It's like that's, to me, that's such a ridiculous argument. And it's like, if you think something's not effective, okay, learn to do it yourself,

or just keep doing it until eventually some DC comes along that understands how to beat it and then it's beaten. But you can't just get rid of a play because it's good. Yeah. That's a crazy argument.

I love until I hate it comes in when the officiating gets a little gray because I think it's a hard play to officiate, especially it's like a couple weeks ago when we saw it. was it burns kind of ripped the ball out. It's like, dude, that is, he stripped him.

Right, and he's laying on top of five different bodies. So the controversy for me is more when it's like, it could be officiated poorly. Like when fall starts are kind of happening, like, you know, all that stuff. But I'm with you. I guess the simplest way to put it is if it was such an easy play, if it's the ultimate Madden glitch, how come they're the only team in the league that does it consistently well? Right. I know, because when teams try it and they're bad at it, it's like, what do you guys,

Is there anything worse? They look like they've never practiced it. Yeah. Yeah. What are you guys scouting? Like, what's the Philadelphia Eagles doing it? At least trying to replicate bad. There's a coaching element.

There's a personnel element. There's a lot of factors that go into whether or not that play is realistic for your team or not. And we could go around a lot of teams over the last couple years and say that they were disproportionately better at something than the rest of the league. And if the notion was, let's get rid of everyone else's advantages, people would laugh at you. Yeah. Yeah, this would be a fun. I don't want Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is not allowed to be a three technique and spike into the A gap and make the guard miss because he's so, no one else can do it as good as him.

And he tackles, and he tackles you for a loss every time. It's not fair. It's not fair. Yeah. We don't get it Aaron Donald. How come you guys get Aaron Donald? Yeah, I don't have Aaron Donald. That's not fair that you can play a three technique in that capacity.

I can't do it. So we should ban it. Yeah. I don't understand why the Cowboys, the commanders or the Giants haven't tried to contract. Jason Kelsey and be like, hey, teach us. Like just throw an absolute bag at him. Two million bucks, Jason. Come in for a week.

I don't think Kelsey would do it. I think Kelsey's a loyal Philly guy. I think he's a loyal Philly guy who's making a lot of money. I don't, I think he is like, I think he would go to his deathbed before he let up any of those in-house secrets of Jeff Stoutland and those guys. That's just my take. Yeah. He would need some Saudi money.

Yeah. Well, now that's a different element. Eight figures, nine figures. For one week of work. Big Dom's not letting that happen. Big Dom would set that out. No problem. He'd figure that out quick.

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Do you see them holding on to that procedure's honor, or do you see them letting that slip away from their fingertips? Are we recording? You just ask me a question. I think we're doing both. I would say, I mean, proceed to Seaner, sure. Last year, we Sinelli backed toward into the first pick. It was, who was it, the Jets?

There was one team that won on Week 18. I think it was the Jets. Well, we were going to have the second pick. Oh, is it the Brown? No, I think it was the Jets. Yeah, they backed door it in the first pick. They won a crazy game. We got the first pick.

So at least now we know three weeks ahead. Who knows? We still play the Saints. Jets could, you know, squeak out a couple more losses. Who knows? Maybe we do some dumb shit. Dumb shit in what? I'm at that point in the year where it's like,

football doesn't mean as much as it used to. Jack. Jack's just defeated man in the month of November right now. Yeah. I mean, hopefully some things shake out, but. What things? What things shake out? Because you're just like, hey, we might do some dumb shit? I'm thinking, do you want the Titans to lose the rest of their games for the one pick?

I don't know. All I can think about is, right now in Nashville, it's 34 degrees. All the home games following right now November 10th will most likely be very frigid. And I'm not looking forward to being in Nissan Stadium in that weather. You should be looking forward to who's who in the zoo when it comes to this fan base. This is the stretch where you're in your stripes right here. You want to know who's in the foxhole with the Tennessee Titans.

Right. And what we've learned about the foxhole too, come and go as you please. There's probably like 10 people at this point. That's good, dude. All you need. All you need is 10. Really 11. I'm playing football, but I don't know. I'm just, yeah, I'm at that point where it's just, it's difficult.

Yeah, you've been a bismal year last year. It's tough for the Titans. That's like, hey, we're going to get back on track. We'll figure it out. Callahan New Year. Two years in a row of it going like this, the fan base is going to, we're going to know. I think the big positive to look at is how much salary cap that we have and just the cap space. Like that's, that's a positive.

We haven't had that in a long time. You guys have the bonus, right? Yeah. So who knows? But yeah, that is, I mean, by the time it's, you know, midway through the spring, my allegiance is just fully back on. We're winning the Super Bowl.

So I do hope that we do something special with the Capspace, and I hope that they hire the right guy. Until we've hired the right guy, I can't really make any decision. And I just kind of linger in this horrible Titans, Tennessee football limbo. But yeah. you know we're going to be in nisong tighten up man it's fun let's show up we can hit some tear

talk let's hit some tear talk we have a shout out here to mr james at the mr james eight on x anyone going to talk about how clutch caleb williams is when the game is on the line hashtag tier talk i think we did yeah we had we had a great fun little breakdown with old gregg there i i'll tell you what i am the guy looking in the mirror being like how long am i'm I'm going to continue to kind of doubt the Chicago Bears. And so I pull up their schedule, and I hate to do this. But it's like, all right, let's try to find some wins. Let's try to figure out who the Bears have beat.

Dallas, the Raiders. Oh, this is who they beat. Yeah, this is who they beat Dallas. Split them wide open that defense. Who has a split them wide open? They beat the Raiders by one, commanders by one. They beat the Saints. They beat the Bengals.

they beat the Giants So I just throwing that out there Because they are six and three You got to give I I do enjoy watching coach Johnson's post game speeches in the locker room Yeah He's like hey we're here every week But we ain't apologizing for how we win Gives out game balls

I do love his energy I love how the locker room's having a lot of fun I think the boys are rallying around the idea that they're playing meaningful games Right In November hopefully December And that is what you pulled up the wins that they've had as a team you ignore that and you just look at the record and be like we can play with anybody we can play with anyone right now big opportunity who do they put who they got next week they got the viking give me the next three okay Vikings division rivalry that that'll be in minnesota can probably see them

wanting that then they have they host the Steelers okay you can see them winning that then they go to philly but if you go if you go two and one you're again you're sitting there at eight and four. You're saying there, eight and four. Eight and four ball club. Playing some meaningful

games in December, which would be the Packers at Green Bay, host the Browns. Okay. Then they host the Packers again. Then they go out to San Francisco and play the Niners.

And then they host the Lions. Nine and eight. Nine and eight. Nine and eight ball club. Wild card. But is it? I don't know. I don't know if it is in the Lions.

the NFC. Yeah, NFC will be tough. Especially for the 49ers when that... I was going to say, especially, yeah, NFC West, the way that they're playing right now, they could be looking to get three in there. Yeah. And you get, the Packers are going to make it.

The lions are going to make it. The Eagles are going to make it. But we should be able to let Chicago fans have as much fun as possible. Have fun. Because you said in the beginning of the year, you deserve this. We need new Halloween costumes next year. Can't just be Mike Dicca.

It can't just be Mike Dicca. Get some fingernails painting. Let your kids go crazy. out there, huh? So yeah, Caleb Williams. It is impressive, though. How elusive he is. And I didn't see, like, I didn't see the entire game.

I saw bits and pieces, but his ability to escape the pocket. Ran out to the left a couple of times, one for a touchdown, one he got down to the one yard line. Throwing across the body, he is very talented. Like, he is extremely talented. Like, if Ben Johnson could harness that energy when Dan O'Lofie's talking about the habits and everything like that, if they can get that done, boys. It seems like they're trending that way.

10 and 7. Why not? Why not the Chicago? Why not? Hey, there's got to be an upset in there somewhere. Or not the Bears. It'd be good for football. It'd be good for football. It'd be good for football. It would be good for football. Why not the Bears? Why not the Bears? Here's another tier talk from Adam Sullivan.

Hashtack Tier Talk. Are the days of a true pocket passer in the NFL gone? A set your feet, get completions, or take the sack QB seems extinct. Not everyone can be my homes, but it seems like you have to have some type of mobility anymore to be consistently productive in today's NFL. Look at Matthew Stafford. Like he's got a little mobility to him. Actually, a couple times he's got himself around a little bit. But I mean, he's a true pocket passer.

Jared Goff, true pocket passer. These are guys that are dicing up the league right now playing really good ball. Is it dead? No. Are we in a, you know, we got to worry about this animal because it's becoming extinct. We got to think into the zoo and hopefully they can procreate with something else. That's kind of the world we're living in. You'll have some.

You gotta get two of them? You'll have the traditional list, I think, always and forever. It's at most positions. Yeah. But there are these mutants that are now coming into the league across the board. Right. We were having the breakdown last week. We were talking about tight ends.

They semi-positions with backers and tight-ins. You see it a lot with receivers. Like, you have to come in being able to block. D-N's been crazy, man. Yeah, D-Ns. They were like the first iteration of the alien. Yeah. That was the first alien to step foot on the gridiron.

I feel like the, like, Christian ponderers of the world. are over though. Like how there used to be that middle of the pack QB in the NFL that was just pocket passers, I feel like they're going to be extinct. Yeah. Where like everybody, only the best of the best.

Right, like Matt Stafford, Jack Jones. Those are like great players. But Mac Jones is like, we know his ceiling. Do we? Do we know Matt Jones's ceiling? Or are we just now seeing...

I would say Mac Jones... Or we just seen the second floor would be that leveled up middle of the pack. Right, yeah, exactly. But you got to be the best of the best. You're just going to sit back there in that pocket, deal. Sam D. Sammy D.

That's not like, he's athletic, but he's not. He does. He's got some urgency. He's got urgency. He's got some shit to him. Yeah. I would say he's like athletic as athletic as Bo Nix. Yeah.

Yeah. But no. Sam Darnel doesn't have quarterback design runs in the playbook for him. Bo Nix does. But he could. He could. Dog, I don't think. I don't think.

Sam Darnold is getting other than your hey, QB paint once in a while. I would say if Sam Darnold arm shoulders, everything else, if he had the genetic of Bo Nix, he would not be as successful as Bo Nix

were with the athletic ability. I'm saying Sammy D. He's got a much better arm, much better accuracy, much better arm strength. If you gave him Bo Nix's makeup as far as arm strength and accuracy, like he doesn't have the athletic ability. I'm just saying he doesn't have the athletic ability. They're not, I don't think they're in the same category.

Yeah. Bo Nix is like your, he's your first tier. I'm starting a creative player. He's going to have a level of athleticism. Yeah. But he's not, I mean, he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not Patrick Holmes. No, Josh Allen. I'm saying Sam Darns is not as athletic as Bo Nix. Yeah, but who would you rather have? Sammy D. Okay. 100%. Like Ty Simpson's going to be coming out that urgency, high ball up high. Yeah. Like mobility. Ty Simpson's going to be coming out. Okay. Tyn in the pocket, it's going to be a Sammy D. Ty Simpson is like, Ty Simpson is the perfect example of like the new

pocket passing quarterback. Yeah, where it's like, yeah, he can move his legs a little bit, but like there's no quarterback design runs. Being like, we got to get Ty Simpson's the perimeter. Mendoza, that's a pocket passer. Where would you, where would you categorize Baker? Gamer. Gamer.

Yeah, he's an elusive. He's elusive. Yeah, Baker would be like, yeah, pocket quarterbacks like that you need to have that ability. Baker's got that. Baker doesn't have design runs. He's not a dual threat. But like, so is that what you're saying is that you need to be,

you need to have design runs in order to be athletic? I think that's where I'm leaning as we're kind of having like a think tank right now on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. There needs to be two to three quarterback design run. That's like, oh, the coaching staff believes you can run like that. Caleb Williams can run like that.

Lamar Jackson, obviously. My homes is a unique one. We're not doing QB design runs with my homes, but he's shown me enough. He's shown me enough. elusivity to get around a little bit. I like that. Jalen Hertz,

quarterback design runs. Josh Allen, quarterback design runs. Aaron Rogers, pocket passer. What about Drake, he used to be able, he had some mobility back in the day.

He's got a couple. Justin Herbert. Drake May's kind of got it all. He can. And he can't, he can fuck you. Yeah, Drake may hold the ball up here. Do you see the one yesterday?

George. He actually had the ball up here. The guy was trying to get him. He had the ball like this. Pushed you down and then through the ball. So yeah, Drink May's got it. He's got the technique and fundamentals. Jordan Love's got some cute feet.

I wouldn't say he's got design runs, but he's got cute enough feet to make a little bit magic, but he's more of a... You're saying Jordan Love, sweet. He's got sweet feet. He's got sweet feet. What about... Jordan Love, completely different player

when he's under pressure as opposed to clean pocket. Is he elusive? I don't know. Pocket passer. You're bringing up the... my man's tweet like yeah Cam Ward's got running ability to him.

Not a quarterback design run guy though. Not a quarterback. Running for his life kind of guy. He can make some magic with his feet. Yeah, he gets out a little bit. Like he's more elusive than he's like, okay, you got your Sam Donald's and then your Drake Mays probably

a level above that on the elusivity chart. And then it goes up and up and up. Where's Baker? Baker's above, I would say above Cam. We might need a graphic for this. We're talking a lot. Essentially, the median. To me, there's 32.

32 tears. It's kind of where my brain is going right now. The median now of quarterback play is not as much pocket passer. It is now more having legs. Out of the starting quarterbacks, who is the perfect balance in this discussion? That's a great, great question. Yeah, you got Josh Allen, Greg May, Patrick Mahomes. Jaylen Hertz.

Shut up. It would be Jalen Hertz, man. Doesn't turn it over. He's a good quarterback. But we're talking about who's the best in this conversation. Could you imagine Justin Herbert on the Eagles? Yeah, Justin Herbert.

Like, Bill, the perfect quarterback. Buddy. Perfect quarterback? I love this question. I mean, Lamar Jackson's legs. Lamar's legs. Lamar's shit. Yeah, Baker's.

Baker's heart. Yeah, Baker's Moxie. Okay, uh, dude, arm strength, I know we kind of want to lean Josh down, but what about Caleb Williams?

He robbed his, buddy, he can throw the fucking ball. Like I was watching the 49ers game and Caleb Williams, like the difference between his throw and Mac Jones. I love Mac Jones, but Caleb can can rip it.

Every time he throws it. Stafford? Stafford can rip it, Stafford, yeah. Stafford. You want Stafford. You want Stafford's brain.

We're putting Stafford's, we're putting Stafford's accuracy. Stafford's putting it wherever he wants to. He doesn't have to look and he's just. I mean, Aaron Rogers arm, bro. I mean, obviously he's old. He's old. He's old. I know we're talking about starters, but we're forgetting Joe Burrow.

Like, do not want his Achilles. Yeah. Yeah. Waste up. We do not want his legs. Joe Burroughs torso. Yeah. Yeah.

Face, hair. Brof and son. Patrick Mahomes' playmaking ability. Is that a category? Can we put that in there? Joe Burroughs Serial Killer Brain. Drake May's Deep ball. Or Sammy D.

Sammy D though. Body. Got some good quarterbacks out there. We got some good quarterbacks out there. Damn. No, tier talk? From Chris Fratelli. Hashtag Tier Talk.

This is for Taylor. As former players, how can you explain the Baker Danny Dimes, Darnel Mac Jones career resurgence. Coaching. It's got to be. What's it?

Yeah, right? Staying locked in. It's, yeah, dudes being locked in. Dudes being high draft picks, getting knocked off their pedestal, finding a new place, new energy, new way to go about.

Their study habits, their processes, like, it's got to be coaching. And not buying into the doubt that kind of creeps in your mind when you are having down moments. It shows that these guys that get drafted,

obviously very high to the worst teams, just truly get put in awful situations. And it takes, like, a true talent to overcome those brutal situations. I mean, you're going to tell me, I said you're truly fucked. I mean, you're going to look at me and tell me I'm wrong. I think, like, question, if you're a generational guy, it doesn't matter. Yeah. I mean, Joe Burrow.

Joey B. I'm so glad you brought him back in the conversation, because I truly forgot about Joe Burr. Joey B is the only one to go into a shit franchise and turn it completely around in the last five, ten years. It's kind of fair. It's fair at face value.

It's fair at face value, but... Like, Drake Mays. We'd obviously have to bring up some... Like, it's like... So you're telling... When Peyton came in, they were brutal. I said five to ten years. Okay.

That was over 20... That was not... Hey, nice. If you took Joe Burrow and you put him on the Jets, turns it around? I feel, I mean, they didn't draft. They didn't draft him. They didn't draft Jamar Chase.

Like, I think the Jets would be, Jets would be kind of nice with Burrow with that defense, too. They had some pieces. Sauce Quinn and Williams. Doesn't the Joss gone? When Williams is gone. And then, like, if he was on the Jets. The Jets drafted Zach Wilson.

He's third on the death chart. How sick are you if you're like the Jets or the Cardinals, Josh Rosen a few years ago? I mean, Kyler Murray, like he, Like, he drafted number one overall, and, like, I mean, they're still kind of shit. Yeah. Kyle Murray's a good one not to steal this tier talk, but do you think Kyle Murray will have a resurgence on a new team next year if he's not with the Cardinals?

Do you think there's a chance that Kyler can become that type of quarterback that needs a second chance? He goes to Minnesota. Yeah. He's got to go. Everyone needs to go to San Francisco. There needs to be a line at the door. The Rams.

Yeah. There needs to be, like, a seminar and like the cape that Kevin O'Connell just puts on once a year. It's all like backup quarterbacks. That's how quarterback play gets better. Jets. Oh, half success? He's got to go to Minnesota first. And then it doesn't matter where he goes.

Didn't know. Golf won a Super Bowl with the Rams, yeah. He lost the Super Bowl. Lost two Super Bowl, went to a Super Bowl. He would be won in that. Because I feel like. Turn it around. He turned it around.

Like he was there. They were kind of bad for a couple years. And then once McVeigh got hired, they went. Yeah, I was just saying, Stafford. with Detroit. Never turned around. They still win 16.

They still sucked. Yeah. That is a great argument for Joe Burrow and how good he is with Stafford at Detroit. I mean, because you can't necessarily say it about Mahomes because they were good with Alex Smith before him. You could kind of say it about Josh Allen. Like they, yeah.

Yeah. Josh Allen's a good one. Yeah. I mean. So your statement kind of just got thrown in the trash. Two people. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

we just said Stafford and Jared Goff. No, no, no. I think the arguments against it. The Bills are a playoff team when they drafted Josh. Because Jared Goff, they weren't good. Then McVeigh got there, which is great coaching. So that's kind of like the change of the guard with there. Jared golf's a great quarterback.

Herbert. Would you put Herbert in there? Fringe guy? Fringe guy. Fringe guy Herbert. He wasn't even supposed to start his first game. Tyrod Chaylor got poked in the lung and that's how he started playing. Yeah.

And before that they had Philip Rivers. They do it on purpose? So they're always pretty salty. Chargers were always pretty salty. Yeah. They weren't like an abysmal franchise. Like what are like the, what are the worst franchises? The Browns?

The Jets. The Jets. The, well, I see the Giants kind of. Giants have had success in this century though. DJ Strat could be good. No. Yeah, but before that they had, Deshawn Watson. They had Deshawn Watson.

They had a great defense. They were competing in the AAC South all, every year. Jags. Trevor Lawrence. Jane Daniels. Trevor Lawrence. Washington is trash this year, man. Yeah, without.

But even when he's played, they had some good inconsistice. I feel like... Has the product truly changed at the quarterback position with the commanders? Jane and Daniels, Marcus Merida. Has the product really changed that much? No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. And it's like, if you're a Washington fan, you're in hell,

because this is 2015, 2016, all over again. Yeah, just defensively, it's... Fuck. Gilamoto? Gilamoto has a nice... Gilly-Moto. Gillimoto has a nice tier talk.

We got a Bears fan right here. How many points per game do you think a head coach is worth? Die-hard Bears fan here. I'm almost willing to give Ben Johnson plus six points. This is a per... This is a per team-by-team basis.

Steve Rable is like plus three and a half. but I think at this point for Abel over Johnson. You have this whole thought process in one tweet. Ben Johnson's for sure worth six points and they score in every opening drive. And that's just your script,

your top 15 points. What would you say McVeigh is? McVeigh is tough because Stafford. Yeah, these are so situate. All of these conversations are so dependent on situations. But I definitely put Brable's nine. How you look at it? Nine point.

And we're just playing the Gilly Motto game. But for Gillymodo? For Gilly Moe. How are you giving Ben Johnson six and Brable three and a half? And you're like, but I like Vrable more than Bill Johnson. That's like me saying the Patriot is the best team, but I also think to see Hops and the Rams are better. What about Andy Reed? I don't know.

I don't know. Andy Reid did it with McNabb and stuff in Philly and then with Alex Smith. You got to give Andy Reed at least a plus eight. I'm going to say 10. More than Brad's. Giving them double digits. Andy Reed, more than Braves. Yeah, I think you look at their historically, like their resumes.

offensively too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cam at Cameron Leach 23. Jonathan Taylor deserves MVP if he keeps this up. I get it's a quarterback award, but this is a historical,

historic season. Should the NFL move to an MVP and a MVP and a MVP award? No, I think we need to get back to who's the best player in the NFL. And right now it's Jonathan Taylor. Without a doubt. He's got...

Do you have three again? Yeah. I saw a stat. Between, through 10 games last year, Sequin had like, I think Jonathan Taylor's at 1139 yards. I think through 10 games last year, Sequin had 1137 yards. So Jonathan Taylor's ahead of Sequin's pace last year. And he's got to be way ahead of him in touchdowns. Like, what's he on pace for?

He's right now on pace to break the record. Touchdown-wise, I'm not sure. I think he has like 15 touchdowns this year, 16. So he's not on base. Yeah, we need to start having that conversation. He's a, he's... What is he in the Fanduads? He moved up from 12 to 3rd after this past weekend.

Yeah, he 100% is in the MVP race. It's just, it's going to be harder for the running back to keep it up. Then it is a quarterback. No, kids in the morning, man. Kids in the morning and the noon, I'm like watching ball. Well, if he, if Jonathan Taylor runs for like 1,900 yards and like 26 touchdowns and it has like four or five more receipts. receiving touchdown, so it counts for almost 30 touchdowns.

Do you think that's MVP-worthy? Yeah, yeah, I do. We'd love to see 2000. You'd love to, you get 2000 with those numbers. What's the touchdown record for running backs? 26. I thought it was 27, 28. 28.

28. Indian Tompinton, 2006 had, you know, 26 or 28. God, what a beast he was. And he won MVP. I think it's the last running back to win it. It truly, it all depends with Drake May and staff. Like Stafford is blowing it up right now. Drake,

he already has more touchdowns. Stafford has more touchdowns this year already than he did all of last year. Yeah. What's he thrown for in the last three games, 13? Something stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's been crushed. You have it in fantasy. You should be playing it. Yeah. Yeah. And then again, Drake May, it's like if the Patriots end the year and they're the one seat in the

AFC and Drake May continues to play the way he's been playing with the stat line he has, It's going to be very hard to not give it to Drake May. Yeah, that's the problem is like, John the Taylor has to do, like, those types of numbers you're talking about, like 2,030 total touchdowns. Yeah. Put on a show. But he continues to put on a show, man.

That game was awesome. Like, came down to the wire. Overtime, right? Falcons are the most bipolar team in the NFL. Bipolar, man. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. Falcons, if you were like a bet man, you want to stay away from the Falcons.

They're officially on the no bet list. Yeah, yeah, they're on the no-bet list. Do you kind of want to say away from Miami? Yeah, I mean, I think... They're either getting blown out or blowing you out. Yeah, you want to stay away from Miami as well. I'll put them on the no-bets. I feel like even Falcons players like Bijan, he's on the no-bet list as well.

Yeah, what's going on, dude? I have him. And Aguilar, what, like... Algeria. Whatever, dude, who cares? I shouldn't know his name. Bejon should be starting. He should be playing every single down.

Every snap. Like, he was... Al Jeter had two touchdowns. Middle of October. We're sitting on ESPN, and Darren Lofsky goes, by middle of November, Bejohn Robbins won't be in the MVP conversation.

Since then, he's gone downhill. Or Lasky's fault. Or Lovsky curse. Here's our last tier talk here from Jonah Kahn, Jonah K-6-2 on X. Hashtack Tier Talk. Do you think Cleveland Browns fans

are the most tortured in franchise history, and what would you do to get them to a championship level team. I don't know that last part of the answer. I would say, are you the most tortured fans? Like, there's some brutal fan bases out there. Imagine being with the Jets. Dude.

Last week I was doing the Gillette thing, and I went and did a, like, a local Jets podcast. And the guy just, you could tell there was so much torture behind those eyes, but he was smiling the entire time. Like, he's like, in 20 years when we're good, like, I'm going to be sitting here. Like, I, like, people are born into it. which I'm sure they are the Cleveland. I would give the edge of the Jets, though.

Bigger market. Every year's their year. There's always some sort of glimmer of hope. Like this year, they've traded away everything. So like 2026 is going to be your year. And it's not. What about a- I could say, I could give the edge to Cleveland

just because you also live in Cleveland. I mean, it takes a real sicko. Cleveland or Jersey? To be a die-hard Cleveland fan. Like a real sicko. But, like, yeah, I mean, you think about those that the quarterbacks that they have gone through. They've gone through like 30 quarterbacks and still.

And you had Baker Mayfield, bro. You couldn't just stay with Baker Mayfield. And the way to get a championship, move the team. First start, first set of eyes. You know? Bahama team. Something. Do something different.

You know, Key West. Get a team back in San Diego. Dude, San Diego would be so sick. The San Diego Browns. Yeah. That's so right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right. That's terrible.

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Electric weekend of football. Electric. Electric weekend. We'll start with Saturday. We'll get this one other way. And just to let the audience know, the stakes are obviously getting higher toward the end of the football season. We'll be talking all things college football in this episode.

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Conference Breakdown. Higman Conversations. The college football playoff. By the way, shout out to the ACC for shit. in the bed. Shout out to the ACC. Shout out to the ACC.

For everybody out there, huh? Who's winning that thing now? Georgia Tech's winning it. That's what's happening. And did Miami find themselves now they have a possibility to jump into the championship game? So they could. Like this will be for any ACC sickos out there.

But Georgia Tech is 8-1. Virginia gets upset by Wake. Louisville gets upset by Cal. So you have Virginia's a two-lost team. Louisville's a two-lost team. Pitts a two-lost team. And Miami, all two-lost team. So I think it is safe to say that there will only be one

ACC team getting in. There will only be one. I know, dude. I don't know. If Georgia Tech only has one loss and they lose their conference championship game, they might not get eliminated because they didn't eliminate SMU last year in the same scenario. Great call. That's a great call.

They would have to beat, obviously, with them being a one loss or losing the championship, that means they're beating Georgia. they'd have to be George. So we need Georgia to take care of business. So we need Georgia to take care of business. Georgia takes care of business. Only one ACC teams getting in. Boys,

I feel like, is this bust a little anti-ACC right now? Yes. Very anti-ACC. I'm not pro. I'm not against. Right now, hey, I'm an independent. I'm just trying to figure out whose side I want to be on. And I feel like lines have been drawn on the stand over here.

I just want to know where I stand. Here's my breakdown of why it seems like we are now anti-ACC. Wasn't before all this chaos. started to ensue. It's like Miami was supposed to be a dominant team all college football season until they did what Miami does. So when they lost two, it's kind of like, oh shit, you got Georgia Tech. They were supposed to be dominant.

Who'd they end up losing to? Duke. Not too long ago. Duke. They beat Duke. That's right, because they're all. Duke just lost to Yukon over the weekend. And Yukon has been historically awful.

And Duke has just weirdly been favorites since like Illinois and other school. It's like, what are you all doing out here? In our brains. Because us two sitting up here. more big 10 than the boys in the back of us SEC we look at SEC you look at big 10 even the big 12 to a certain extent

ACC to me is just not like as far as depth throughout the entire conference Clemson was supposed to be a dog this year they weren't then Virginia coming out of nowhere Louisville's a good football team I will give Louisville credit to me that they've been somebody who's been consistent over the past few years playoff football team or just good football team if Louisville

would have been a one lost team that's where in my brain that's where you start to okay Let's see them get in the college wall playoff. But again, ACC with all these two lost teams, to me, they're not a conference that's going to have a lot of these two lost conversations that the Big Ten is going to have, that the SEC is going to have that the Big 12 can have in a couple scenarios. A lot of the ACC teams somehow don't play each other either. That's what Page says, yeah. Yeah. That is very odd.

That is very odd how that works out that way. Okay. And the way everybody was talking about, again, all the massive implications going on inside of the conference. You went from having a chance to get three. Correct. Correct. Correct. So at one point there was four that would be arguing. Yeah.

Four that'd be arguing in the ACC around all this chaos talk from the other big games that are going on. It's like, oh, shit, the ACC could really blow up all of college football. If they have a lot of the, they have like four teams, two with one laws, two with two laws. They're all kind of beating each other. How do you keep them out? Now we know with these bad losses over the weekend, these upsets. We know who they are.

We know who they are who we thought they were at the beginning of the year. So not anti-ACC, but just these upsets kind of safe. college football. Oh, yeah. I think we're more anti-ACC because we want to see, like, more SEC and big 10 teams get in. These teams, you guys are just,

you guys are just, you're not anti-ACC, you're just more, hey, we got to keep the timeline correct. And having four ACC teams in college football playoff. I think one was invited.

They said, hey, could I bring somebody? Like, you can maybe bring two. Yeah. But that person wanted to bring two people and we're like, this shit's getting a little fucked up.

Luckily, a couple of people bailed out. Now just maybe one person's coming to the playoffs. This bus is. pro good football teams getting into the college football. That's it. Just because they have the ACC tied their name, that's what's unfortunate. But it's like you're seeing these teams and it's like they're not, they're not in these conversations with everybody else we're talking about.

Yeah, because what we're looking at possibly four SEC teams, correct? Possibly four Big Ten teams. Now that is totally based on Michigan beating Ohio State, which last four years, but we know Ohio State's looking like a juggernaut. Michigan's still figuring it out. But you got Indiana. They'll make it. State will make it, and I'm assuming Oregon, Washington shit the bed.

Yeah, bring a Big Ten, Washington shit the bed. Washington shit the bed. USC's in there, but USC still has to play Oregon. They do. They still have to play Oregon. And then I think one other team that you're like, oh, that's not necessarily a win right there. So you're looking at those three. And then if Michigan can beat Ohio State, you've got to let Michigan in as well.

If Michigan wins out and beats Ohio State there's. Yeah, well, yeah, they're in. Michigan controls their destiny. there's an absolute fucking juggernaut at the end of that 12 but hey if we want it happened last year if we want big 10 chaos Michigan wins out and USC wins out but go to then you have a two loss or not schedule real quick if USC's a two lost team they're getting they're in they are in it's Oregon who would be a two lost team that could not get in Michigan could not get in but as far as as as as arguments to get teams in the like that's where it's like okay we would

see some good chaos. Yeah, but Michigan gets in, Michigan wins out and you beat the number one team in the country. Like, you're in. Right. I think that argument. That's like a, yeah, that's done. Right.

That argument is for sure there. All I'm saying is if you're looking at these two lost teams and only one of them gets in, right. You can't not look at the head to head with USC in. They got Iowa, but it's at, it's in L.A. And I think that's a much different vibe than an Iowa. Hey, look, this is a tough Iowa football team. Iowa football.

It's a tough Iowa football. travel out to the coast though. Can those corn-fed boys look at the coast for the first time not get distracted? Can USC out physical the more physical team? They've done it before. Right. So it's like this Iowa team is a tough football team. Now you can't sleep on them. Can't sleep on them. Can't sleep on them. Then you got Oregon. That'll be the big one. Then UCLA, which we found out this weekend, they've finally been put in their place by the Huskers. Yeah, T.J. Lateef, I try telling everybody. What is? I know, I know we usually, we save Nebraska talk for the end.

but what is the conversation surrounding Lincoln if T.J. Lateef has that game he had three more times. Is there a quarterback controversy in Lincoln, Nebraska? Did you see the... I saw somebody tweet that. I saw you tweet the Ben Affleck in the corner. Did you see Sid, did you see Sidney's interview last week that was going viral?

Coach McGuire's... About her denim outfit? Coach McGuire, he can hear this. We're talking about Coach ruling the Huskers right now. Did you, yeah, did you see the way Sydney Sweeney answered that PR question last week? Yeah, until there's a problem I want to address. If I feel like there's something there, you will hear me speak on it. But right now, there's nothing there with T.J. Lateef and being the future quarterback of Nebraska.

This is one football. He's a freshman, right? And he's a baller. But again, this is, this is not a big enough sample size. If you're going to get a sample size of T.J. Latif, and this would actually be a conversation, you would need three or four games of ball before you play like a good. good defense because after three or four games, you now have tendencies to where it's like, all right, they called a game a certain way out there against UCLA for T.J. Lateef to be successful.

And he bawled out. And UCLA didn't know what you guys were going to do. Right. I understand that. Yeah. What the original question was is if T.J. Lateef plays like that for the next three, four games. Yeah. If that becomes an issue, that's when Will Compton will speak on it.

Right now, it's a non-issue. Let's have the conversation. Let's have the round of pot. Oh, he's gone. Oh, he left. He left. He heard him talking about the Huskers. He got a little.

nervous. Got a little nervous. He's like, I watch Bustin with the boys. You're going to have to give Will about 10, 15 minutes with the Huskers. Here's what I love. Coach, hey,

pleasure. Let's give a round of applause real quick for being in here. Big win. Big win and Tejas. We have a lot of coaches on that after big games, they get wins, and they do a Zoom call with us.

And every coach, like Dan Lennie, he's got the big O in the back with some wings going off. We had, who's the coach for Notre Dame? Who's the coach for Notre Dame? Freeman. He's got the nice wood. I love the simplicity of your desk right now.

It looks like you're sitting at a cubicle. You're keeping the main thing, the main thing. While everybody is like, this team is spending all the money in the world, how does it feel to have college game day in Lubbock, Texas, and be able to put on a performance that you guys did against BYU? It was incredible. I wish I would have got to experience it starting Sunday, because they started camping out on Sunday. There was a party Tuesday night. Wednesday night, Thursday night. I've never seen anything like it. I wanted to be a college kid again.

I mean, we got barbers out there. We had two GJs out there. We had a couple people doing nails. Thursday night went all that long. I mean, the entire night. So it was pretty incredible. And then having game day here, and it just made it even better that Friday night

going into Saturday morning. You got seven days of parting taking place. You got 23 transfers. And everyone transferred portal classes last year. Everyone's playing like absolute dogs together like they've been, they've known each each other since birth. What's the conversation like with these guys when you're like, hey, listen, I know there's some pretty girls out there right now and they're parting Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

Thursday, Friday for this game. How do you limit distractions and keep these guys focused on ball? Because we've all been in college. We've all been out there. There's a couple parties going on. Nothing says I want to be undisciplined like a Tuesday night party. No doubt. Now, a couple things.

One, we embraced it from the standpoint. Like, literally, you walked out of our front door, and the chance were right there outside of our facility. We connect, our facility connects to the stadium. And so it was right outside. So like Wednesday practice, we walked through it, going down to the stadium to end practice. So we embraced it.

But the one thing, this is an old team. And we, like in our advanced scouting, there hasn't been a team yet that has taken as many snaps, offensive, defensively, and special teams as this team has. So this is an old team, and they understand, man, we talk about it all the time, you know, make it about football. Like all the stuff around it, that's the great thing about college football, the pageantry, you know, everything that goes on to get to Saturday. But when that ball's kicked off, we've got to make it about football.

and they did a great job of doing it, you know, and really policing themselves. Coach, clearly the job is not finished. But going into the season, you know, the speculation around Texas Tech and all the guys that you brought in from the portal, the talk was you guys brought in a lot of mercenaries. Is this money and everything else paying these players? Is it actually going to work out? And you were having conversation with Josh Payton, everybody else,

saying that this is as close of a group as you've been around. Clearly the job is not finished. but now looking at the product that they put on the field. How proud are you and not surprised are you of what this football team has accomplished this season? Yeah, first, I love your hat, man. That's awesome. Hey, thank you. We'll get you one.

We will ship you one today. Yeah, that's cool. You know, I'm extremely proud. I'm proud of the guys that we were able to retain. The guys that chose to stay with Barron and Jay Rod, Jacob Rodriguez. and, you know, Ben Roberts, Sheridan, on and on, on, Koy Aiken, I don't want to miss anybody. I'm proud of those guys because they help me so much create

what it means to be a Red Raider and what our culture is all about. And then, man, we had such buy-in. But one reason I think we had such buy-in, and if you came into this building, you would understand this. There's not one single person that's on my staff that doesn't believe that the most important thing we have in this building is the player. and they fill it every single day.

So if you're our head dietitian, your job is to make sure that you're the best in the country at what you do and you make it all about the player. And it goes on and on from the trainer to the street staff. And we're like that every single day. We don't deviate from what we do. So they have a constant reminder that we care about them at a very high level and they play like it.

And I'm proud because in this world, right now, it's all about, you know, what have you done for me lately? It's all about me, me, and one thing that you've got to do in a team sport, it's got to be about the team. It's got to be about, you know, the greater, uh, greater than yourself. And these guys have really bought into that. Coach, you brought up one name, Jacob Rodriguez, uh, you guys being in the Big 12, him being a defensive guy. You have things going against you from a national media landscaper national recognition. Why should a guy like Jacob Rodriguez be in the Heisman conversation? And can you talk about the impact he has as a defensive player on the field?

Yeah, you know, and I don't want to, I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. I mean, I just go back and I mean, I'm a football geek. You know, I mean, I'm about to when we get off here, I'm literally going to pull up the brackets of the Texas high school coaches association brackets to look through every level of who's playing who. and, you know, I just go back and I think about different people, like whenever Travis won it last year, how could you not give it to Travis? He's the most dominant. When you look around college right now, like I think the Indiana quarterback's playing. I think that the Ohio State quarterback's playing at a high level for their positions. I think Jacob Rod Reyes, like I know there's linebackers out there, like Ohio State's got a linebacker that's playing at a really high level. I just know what my guy does

down after down after down. And there's some freaky, freaky stats that haven't been done by defensive players. Like the dude's punched out seven footballs this year. He had another interception that he tipped it to his cell. And then he recovered a fumble. I mean, and then he had 14 tackles. I mean, the dude just, he's an absolute machine.

And he's everything right about college football. Dude slept on his floor as a walk on during the spring semester until I had a scholarship whenever he transferred from Virginia. So it's just like there's so many things. Plus, his wife's a badass. She's an army of Black Hawks, Black Hawk's helicopter pilots. Oh shit. It's great story.

Dude, that is, that is incredible. Yeah, there needs to be like some sort of like ad campaign that takes place for this individual. So there, there is one. there because the last time a linebacker's been in the Heisman conversation was Manteo. Taito had about 110, 113, 13 tackles right now. Jacob Rodriguez is on pace to beat that. He's averaging like eight and a half, nine a game. Mani Teo had seven takeaways during his senior season.

Coaches mentioned that he's punched out seven balls. He's forced seven fumbles. He has 10 takeaways right now on the season alone. So I do think that conversation will start really coming alive. but dude that is that is incredible the whole sleeping on the floor that is that is awesome you you brought up having conversations with players when you're bringing a bunch of these guys in and one newsworthy type thing was you had a bunch of guys that played for you last year on the defensive line and then you brought in a bunch of individuals as well i want to know how that conversation takes place with

these guys that play a lot of snaps for you they're expecting to take the next step they want to be a starter they have dreams and aspirations of being in the NFL and you essentially have to sit there and be hey, we're bringing in these guys. You're going to be more of a rotational player. Talk to me about those players, their ego, and how they're able to put it to the side and understand that the team's most important, but also, like, they're chasing their dreams.

It's a very unique situation that you have in a world that everybody just wants to get the most money and the most playing time. We had a bunch of cake eaters in college football right now. Seems like Texas Tech does not have any of those. One, you know, it's probably easier on the defense's side of the ball and on the office side of ball because, you know, you do rotate a lot of guys,

so you're going to have snaps kind of be broken up. But, you know, I think one thing I can tell you is we brought in dudes. And so I think if you're real, if you really understand football, and you bring in a Ramelo height and you're sitting there trying to compare yourself to a remello height, you find out real quick that you can't compare yourself to that dude. When you bring in a David Bailey and you're like, man, I should be playing over this guy. and then you see David Bailey play. You have to be so delusional that you're not supposed to be behind him.

And so I think that helps. You got to be real careful. Like I remember saving saying it last week. You got to be in the right guys and got to pay the right guys. And so I think that's really important. But I do believe talking to these guys too about, look, he is only going to make you a better football player. Because one, you're going to try to play to his level. And two, in the defensive line, you're not supposed to be playing 70, 80 snaps.

You know, you're not supposed to be. And so you get some of that taking off your body and you're going to get to play at a higher level. So they understand that. But that was one thing that was important. It was like I was talking to my GM and I was like, man, when we bring guys in, if they're comparable our guy, then why are we doing it? We got to bring in dudes that are definitely going to make us. us better and our players can see that.

Coach, I know I listened to your interview with Josh Payton, you brought up a couple, a couple mentors, a couple guys along the way. And it was Coach Woods and Coach Rule. And so I reached out to Coach Rule and asked him, told him that I'll be having you on this morning, and he wanted me to bring up your first interview with him at IHOP. How was that breakfast? Well, I think we went to about three pots of coffee. You know, it was one of those things.

I'll never forget. It was a Sunday morning, and we had to do it on Sunday because he works for me, David Martin. He was playing for a state championship in Oklahoma Friday night, and we had this deal to where whoever lost had to cross the Red River and go watch the other guy play. So I was supposed to interview with Coach Roll Friday, and I called him, I say, coach, I'll do, I'll come back Saturday morning, I'll do whatever. I said, but I can't watch my buddy not play for the the state championship. And so he won his first state championship, came back to Texas and met with coach

in Hillsboro and IHop. And my wife, whenever I was leaving, she goes, you know, you're never going to leave Cedar Hill. Why are you going to talk to this guy? And I said, man, there's just something about him and I got to find out what it is. And whenever I walked out at that meeting,

I called Debbie and I said, hey, if he offers us a job, we're going to favor. And the thing that he talked about is how much he poured, does. I mean, everything he said, he does. He pours into players. I believe in that. I believe in making these guys men that they're supposed to become, and he does that. He is a tough guy. His teams are physical. I believe in that. And so we just hit it off. And I tell everybody this, if I hadn't have been hired by Matt Rule, because I was probably going to go to college,

I had the opportunity, but that was my son's senior year and everything was going to change. I wouldn't be at Texas Tech without Matt Rule. And the reason is because he has no ego when it comes to pouring into coaches. And I walked by his office one day and he said, get in here. This is like three to four weeks into the job. And he goes, hey, man, you're supposed to be a head coach. I've been a head coach 14 years. And I was like, you know, I like to think that I should be.

He goes, no, no, no. You're supposed to be a head coach at this level. Let me show you what you don't know. And it was roster management. It was about recruiting. It was about graduating players early, letting them start their master's when they still had two years left in the program. Like, just stuff like that that, you know, as a high school coach, I didn't have to deal with. That is awesome.

That is awesome. He also said you loved wearing a jacket in mornings in case they made the coaches run. Well, let me tell you, it was pretty cold one morning. And I should have known by his reaction. So I mean, we're going to the indoor to do our fourth quarter. And it's in February. And I've got shorts on. And I said, how's it going, coach?

And he goes, not good. He was pissed off about something. And I should have turned around and got some clothes. Well, I didn't. And instead of doing the fourth quarter and indoor, we did the fourth quarter and in the frost and the football field. And I froze my tail off. And being on, it didn't matter what the weather was like. I dressed warm for those early mornings because I didn't know what kind of mood he was going to be in.

I was going to make sure I wouldn't freeze my tell off. I love that. While you were telling those amazing stories, I was handed a note by one of our producers. Texas Tech has never won a Big 12 championship. And I don't say that to rub it in. I said it because you're staring down the barrel of an opportunity here to bring home the first Big 12 championship to Texas Tech. Patrick Mahomes is at the game this past weekend. He's talking about, you know, when I was here, we didn't really have this kind of

environment. It's so amazing to see love of Texas. Like acting like this, crazy. They're camping out five, six days before. Now you have an opportunity to do something that Texas Tech has never done. You have a massive game with college game to be there. Now you got UCF coming

in. How do you keep the train rolling and keep these guys all focused knowing that you have the opportunity to do something that's never been done before at that college? I'll go back to coach rule. You know, his big motto is what's next, you know, and I walked into the locker room.

I was one of the first guys in the locker room after the game, and Jake Rodriguez, I think, was the first player in the game. And I came over and gave him a hug and said how proud I was of him. And he goes, Coach, I just want to remind you, this wasn't our goal. And we got more in front of us. He said, let's be happy, but what's next? And I was like, man, here's a player saying that. He said it to the guys in the weight room yesterday during our lift before our team meeting.

You know, we understood what a year this was, you know, how big of a year this was going to be because we can eliminate so many excuses and things that people use against us in recruiting. You know, we have the best facility in the country. I mean, it's absolutely incredible. And so whenever people say we got better facilities, no, they don't. We share at the highest level whenever it comes to the revenue sharing. So it's not the money.

You know, the thing that people can use against us is we've never won the Big 12. So that's the next box we're trying to check off. So now we have no excuse to, you know, compete for it year in and year out. Coach, man, we're rooting for you the rest of the way, bro. Thank you for taking time out of your morning to join Bustin with the boys. Good luck the rest of the way. We will be rooting for you and we will be, you know, as a linebacker, I'll be helping try and carry the torch to get Jacob Rodriguez in more of this national conversation.

But thank you. Thank you, man. I'm a big fan of you guys. I frigging love it. I love what you do for college football. And really appreciate having me on, man. We got to get out there. We got to get out there.

Yeah. We got to get out there. If this is an invite, we'll be there. I'm telling you, I'll take care of. You had the best steak you've ever had, man. Okay, coach. We got to go. We got to go to an I-hop.

We got to have breakfast at an I-hop. I'll have breakfast at I-hop, three pots of coffee, and then we'll finish it off with the best thing we've ever had. We're going to get your address. We're going to send you a bunch of dad merch girl. Are you, you're obviously a father. How many kids do you have? I've got two kids.

My daughter is a Red Raider. She's a fashion designer in Manhattan, New York. and my son actually coach for Coach Rule at the Carolina Panthers at Nebraska, and now he's my running back coach. Keep it in house, man. I love it. That's amazing. We'll give you some dad merch.

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What a throw and catch. Who was the wide receiver that caught that ball? Cooper. Oh my, dude. Cooper. Unbelievable. And that Fernando Mendoza kid, he is just. Dude, that final drive.

Unreal. Awesome to see. The way he was spinning, the catches that these receivers were making, like only in spots that they could catch. Him starting off and getting sacked to start the drive was kind of like, oh shit, like Penn State might upset this Indiana team. Everybody's going to be waiting to say overrated, all of this stuff. You kind of see it all happen.

Because it's the worst team for it to happen to. Yeah. Yeah. If Ohio State got upset by Penn State, the whole conversation would be around lots of good roster. Those guys are all, you know, James Franklin's gone, blah, blah, Indiana loses. It's like they are who we thought they were.

Yeah. People are begging Indiana to suck. You think so? What G-say? Gios, they still might be who we thought they were. They could be like, that's going to be the first thing if they drop a game. If they, you know, college football playoff, let's say they're ranked in the top four because that's where they're trending right now.

We'll actually get to watch them against Ohio State most likely in the Big Ten championship. So we will get to see But I just think like for Fernando Mendoza The whole Heisman campaign and everything else Like there are moments that guys are going to have to have And I feel like he got to have a Heisman moment On that final drive Like the dude was spinning the rock

But they very well could be Like they could get their ass beat Like they did last year in the college football playoff Yeah they got to walkthrough for the rest of their season They got Wisconsin and Purdue Matt put it on Was that Wisconsin They did that good Washington football

That's a good football team. What do you? Arguably the best quarterback running back receiver trio and all the big 10. What do you got, JP? Matt put it on our radar this morning. One of the Indiana receivers is from Father Ryan. He had seven catches yesterday for like 130 yards. Is this the same kid who was like his career?

He had seven catches and just in this game alone. He doubled his career catches. Probably. Because I saw a stat line. I don't remember who exactly it was, but it was like seven catches, 130-something. Nashville guys dominating college football dude I love to see it

love to see it what are your guys's thoughts on the Fernando Mendoza Julian saying Heism race Heisman conversation I'm fired up about learning more about Jacob Rodriguez You see names getting thrown around Jeremiah Smith Jeremiah Smith Jeremiah Love

Ty Simpson in the conversation Emmett Johnson getting in the conversation First player to have 100 yards rushing 100 yards receiving in a game this year Yeah I want to say He's the first guy in the history for Nebraska, too? Really? I know somebody was kind of trying to fact check it.

Like, I don't know if that's confirmed. That's what it was confusing me. I thought Amir. Rex didn't receive, he didn't play receiver as much as Amir, but yeah, bro, Emma Johnson's flat out bawling. He's balling out right now. The dude should be absolutely an all-American for him to have. What does he have?

He leads the country, I believe, in all purpose. He's one or two. He's one or two. He's second in rushing. Second and rushing. 14 touchdowns. He's had 220 and three touchdowns this past game against UCLA. He's a baller, bro.

He's balling. But to bring it back, like, what are your guys' thoughts on the conversation? I was going back and forth with some Ohio State fans. I'm doing my best to be like, yo, Julian's saying it is a stud. I believe he's a stud. The only game I've really been able to watch of Ohio State that I really would tune into was the Penn State game last week. And then when they played Washington, and it's like, Julian's saying,

is a good football player. He gets the ball out quick. He makes great decisions when he gets in a pinch. He uses his legs, his limited athletic ability to get him first down and move the chains. They don't have like the best run game in the entire world. But my question is, is Julian saying that good? Or does he have the two best wide receivers in college football? And for that reason, he is that good.

I'm sure there's some sort of combination of the two. And being a Michigan guy, I don't want to like disrespect the kid because I do think he's bawling out right now. But there is something to be said about, you know, Jeremiah Smith. Was it Cardinal Tate? Cardinal Tate. I think he does definitely have freaks around him. I mean, he's, it looks like he's the, him and Mendoza are tied at plus 165 on the Fandu's sports bucket for odds. And the next one's Ty Simpson a plus 500.

So right now it's a two-man race. I mean, I think Marcel Reed with who he's, like the teams that he's playing and how he's, like, played, I think he should be higher up. But I think, like, if Fernando Mendoza wins it, I think it's kind of like a boring Heisman trophy winner because he hasn't, like, he doesn't really make Flash. he plays. He just doesn't necessarily make those mistakes. And Indiana hasn't necessarily played anybody other than Oregon. And I don't think, if I remember correctly, he played all that well. Like, neither of them have really had like a, oh, that's like their Hysman

moment. That's their Hysman game. Like I think, Jeremiah I love he's a stud and, I mean, what he put, he had like six touchdowns in one game or whatever it was. Yeah, I remember somebody said he would know Hizman. I forget who it was. For me, it's just like the comparable that I was diving into was being surrounded by freaks. People brought up Joe Burrow and I'm like, yeah, well, Joe Burrow threw for like over 6,000 yards or like around 6,000 yards and what 60 touchdowns. And he goes on, he's, you know, undefeated season. He's beating teams, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia. Like the schedule that Ohio State's had, if Julianne's saying is surrounded by these freaks, because it's not like their run game has been what it's been in the past at Ohio

State, like Julian's saying, like they would be dominating teams and he would, his stat line would be far and above anybody else's. And since it's comparable with Fernando Mendoza, Mendoza having like a Heisman moment that people got to kind of witness on the stage against Penn State when Penn State was about to upset him. I just think it's like, you know,

Fernando Mendoza's has done more with way less as he's kind of come onto the scene. I agree with that. But also like Ohio State, you can tell the trust they have in Julian Stant because they, their run game is not as good, but they do not want to run the ball. They want to throw the ball.

And so the kid's been putting the ball in the right spot. Very rarely is there a lot of like DBs drenched around these wide receivers. But he's still like he throws a great deep ball, puts it right in the bucket. I mean, these guys going across the field like there's no one around, but he's putting it right on the chest of the wide receivers. Yeah. There's a level of like this kid has a lot of talent, obviously. I think he has.

If I were to give it to somebody right now, it would be Fernando Mendoza for the, for the reasons you said. Like he's doing, he's got less players around him. I think it'd be sick if Indiana got them. So have a Heisman winner. Ohio State, how many do they have, like five or six? Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

I just feel like usually in college football, there's somebody who's just dominating the stat sheet. And if somebody is going to be doing it, it would be Julian Seine right now. And it's just not dominant the way that you would typically see one of these beast quarterbacks, especially when you're surrounded by aliens, like dominating the scene all season long. I do like the Marcel Reed. I like the Marcel Reed.

Like he is a fucking baller. Julian Sane, I think, has like an 80% completion percentage, which is kind of insane. throws a good deep ball but again it's just like you have studs so it's like you can literally just throw it up and it's two top five picks he'd look weird up there with all

those other high ones in New York yeah yeah yeah I agree like you throw a ball up to Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith like a 50-50 ball it's not 50 yeah it's like 80 20 yeah like those guys are insane shout out Brian Hartline for recruiting the stat dominators were supposed to be

Lenore Sellers DJ Lagway he got benched over the weekend nutmire he was not myer he got benched got benched what a weird year it's been for quarterbacks yeah like uh was it kate clubnick he was supposed to be something special yeah and i haven't really heard about him at all since who they lose too early in the year lsu but then they lost somebody else as well yeah but this the second loss when we're like okay clemson's frauds it was like kate's been like now out of the conversation nutmire he's got an oblique he doesn't have oblique now he's like

benched. It's crazy. Diego Pavia, that was a fun conversation for a week. Now he's 17th. What about it? No, that's... He went off, but I feel like that conversation's kind of like gone away. Pavia is up there for Hizabeth. It's his 17 right here. Those are quarterback stats.

I was going to say, I still think Diego Pavia has a real shot to win the Hizman. If they went out, beat Tennessee, get into the college football playoff, I think Pobia's got a real shot to win the Hizman trip. Especially when you get the Pavia moments going. Like, yeah, if they win out and he's got the Pavia, moments he'll very much be in that conversation he'll have his heisman moment if they beat

tennessee when those other guys don't really have a heisman moment yet but they will play the conference championship against each other mendoza and saying for technically the big ten and the heisman did i say when i'm taking vanderbilt money line versus tennessee letting it be known right now jack just ripped the mic how'd your florida gators do this week we're uh we're focused on the next head coach it was the worst loss and school history to quote Josh Pate. They watch the games in black and white since the last time Florida was beat that bad. But, uh, buy and stock

low. Hey, buy and stock low. Lane Kiffin will be the next head coach of the Florida Gators and Vanderbilt money line. I mean, I don't care what Clump has to say. His opinion to me is truly that of like a teenager who doesn't know what breakfast cereal he wants to eat.

You really rounded that out, Jay because I saw you like thinking through that insult. Um, yeah, I'm not at this point Tennessee season's over. I mean, I'm just stoked for Vanney to come in to kneeling and hear that noise. It's going to be loud as hell.

People hate Diego Pavia in Knoxville. It's going to be loud. And I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but clump texts at our social group me while I was away for a wedding this weekend. It was the only text I even looked at and it was Tennessee is going to lose to Florida and Vanderbilt. And I knew he was just saying it to...

No, no. There's context to that. But go ahead. The context. I don't want to be I don't want to be on the camera Porter posted Tennessee has a real chance to make the playoff

and I said there's no shot Tennessee can make the playoff That's what the discussion was Got you got you got you We do Mitch brought it up Marcel Reed Garrett before we came on He was kind of saying that Texas A&M should be the number one In the team of the country My question to you guys

Why? I mean you're talking about like beating teams bad I feel like A&M is beating teams bad. They beat the shit out of Missou. Closer for a second. What's that? Close for a second.

Okay, second. Third string quarterback. I mean, okay. But like, you're talking about like Ohio State should be blowing people out. They're not really blowing people out. They also had a close game against Penn State who's garbage. Penn State's not garbage. Okay, so who is A&M beat outside of Notre Dame?

What do you mean? Who's A&M beat outside of Notre Dame? I'm looking at Auburn. They're not good. Florida's trash. Arkansas. They beat Arkansas by three points. They beat Notre Dame.

Yeah, I said outside of Notre Dame, who's their best one? They beat Notre Dame by one. Yes, but so is Ohio State. Okay, I'm just telling you my side of the argument. I think that what they're doing is proving more than what Ohio State and Indiana is proved. I love how Will asked a question. I'm really curious who the fuck had they played, Joe? Well, honestly, you tell me outside of Notre Dame, I don't see nobody out of here.

Who are they going against? Here's what happens. People latch on to the Penn State. Penn State's a bad football team. Like still arguably an incredible roster, which a lot of these SEC teams have, and they still end up like laying eggs. Like these teams that I'm mentioning are like not good.

So people talk about Ohio State's schedule, Indiana's schedule. It's like, okay, well, what? Would you compare, would you compare Penn State's roster and Florida's roster, like in that type of argument? Yeah. I think all these teams are read off in the SEC.

At one point in time, it's like this could be a good team because they have good rosters. So what was the score for the Penn State Indiana game right now? One score? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so if you're going to compare rosters that way, A&M beat Florida 34 to 17. They also beat Arkansas by three points. Okay.

They almost got upset by Arkansas. This conversation's hilarious. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's just I have one belief in you have the other. Well, because again, yeah, I'm sorry. I was like setting that out because I'm like excited to have this argument because everybody everybody wants to say A&M.

45, 34, 31. They're putting up, they beat Notre Dame 41 to 40 at Notre Dame early in the year. Notre Dame doesn't fumble the snap on the extra point. And Am should have lost that game. There's a massive holding on fourth down too. Say it again. I think they're the same. Yeah.

A&M and a half state. I just think that they are beating teams at a larger margin than some of these other. their undefeated teams. I think Ohio State matches up real well against Texas. It'll be a great game. Yeah, it would be a fantastic game. I don't think you can take away Texas at one just because they're quietly beating everybody.

And I think they're covering, too. Texas at one? A&M. No, I'm sorry, Ohio State. You can't take Ohio State away at one because they're just, like, they beat Texas, which is like their biggest win. Texas has come back in a big way, but that wasn't the team they played week one. They've just quietly been doing their thing.

Like their schedule is their schedule, but. but they're beating teams, they're covering against teams, and they never see, like, they just seem very complete, and they're like on to the next. Like, they seem like they're stacking blocks as opposed to, you know. And nobody. These other really good teams, or it's like, oh, shit, are they? And nobody has scored over 16 points against Ohio State.

Right, which hasn't happened since 2013 or 2020s. 14. Penn State put up 14. Purdue put up 10, Wisconsin, Zero, Illinois, 16, Minnesota 3, Washington. Washington 6. What are their points? What are Ohio State's points in those games? Ohio State, I think.

So here, I'll rattle it off because they haven't, outside of Ohio State versus Texas, where they won 14-7, it's been 70-0, 37-9, 24-6, 42-3, 34-to-6, 34-0, 38 to 14, 34-10. Oh, so they're blowing people out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, they are- Those teams. They are the most complete team in college football right now.

That was Grambling State. Yeah, yeah, 70. that was that was and you want to know something I'd love to see him trip up hey same in the college football playoff whoa buddy I'm letting you know this is November 29th

oh yeah my fault my fault like running the ball like they if there's one thing their defense does not do extraordinarily well it's protecting the run and I'm telling you

if we can get Brian Harleck Because I have so much respect for Brian Hartline. Like him as an OC, he's obviously done an incredible job this year. Him as a recruiter with the wide receivers, like Ohio State is wide receiver. You know people want to talk about LSU and all that. It's like you look at recency biased. All of the best wide receivers in the NFL are Ohio State guys.

He has done amazing. He's got two top five, probably two top five, top 10 picks at the wide receiver position. Julian Saints playing incredible. But I'm just telling you, dude, Ann Arbor, Michigan, November 29th. It's, it's, this is the same two teams as last year, but Michigan's just a little bit better.

Yeah. Michigan at this point last year was five and four. We're seven and two. We should go. We, I think we're going to stream it. Oh, hey, all to say, love arguing. Love all, that's what makes this sport insane. I would love to see Ohio State trip up against Michigan.

I'd love to see Indiana go undefeated in the Big Ten championship. I'd love to see Ohio State whoop Indiana to where all the conversations against the Big Ten, maybe A&M goes undefeated. Maybe A&M makes it goes all the way to the championship and then they just somehow lose to a rematch versus Notre Dame. Then the Independence School, Notre Dame takes everybody down to where, you know,

the SEC has it over the Big Ten. Yo, they play nobody. Ohio State lost to Michigan. Ohio State blew out Indiana. We know Indiana was overrated. There were nobodies. Now we're in the college football play. Meanwhile, we're sitting here talking about,

two conferences, the Big Ten in the SEC. Texas Tech, Joey McGuire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could just be sitting and be like, SEC's better. No Big Ten's better. And Texas Czech just fucking runs through people in the month of January.

That's the winner. Texas Tech, Notre Dame in the championship. Big 12 and Texas Tech. That's the winner. I would love to see that. Texas Tech's defense is real too. Nasty, bro. I think they're like top three,

top five and like points a lot per game. And last year, bro, they were like in the one 20s. They're unreal. I love. And hey, they're going to keep reloading too. They're going to keep reloading because I love the idea of Texas Tech just bucket.

They're in the best spot. Right. Watching chaos ensue. Yeah. The best spot. And also, buddy, like just to bring it back to the Big Ten a little bit, everyone in their mother has been like Oregon, we're done with them. Since they lost Indiana, everyone's kind of like, ah, you know, we'll see if they get in the

playoff. We'll see if they don't. Like maybe Dan Lanny has us. exactly where he wants us. Because last year, they're flying high, right? They beat the brakes off of Penn State, the Bay 10 championship. It was really just a shootout. But you know what I'm saying?

Everyone's like, this is the team. And then all of a sudden, a pissed off Ohio State team just comes and runs through everybody. But the ducks, baby, the ducks and also the dogs, bringing to go back to the SEC. Dogs don't care about your feelings. They really don't. And they just are quietly winning games and being a top five team and like kind of covering. They covered this past weekend. They're not covering, but it's like Kirby Smart does not give a shit.

He's going to be in the SEC championship against Alabama. What about A&M? Oh, fuck, you're right. A&M, bro. I just keep forgetting about A&M. Did you watch the Oregon Iowa game? Yeah, I watched the second half of it. I was at David Busters with five kids by myself.

Iowa, I think Iowa hasn't. It was awesome. Iowa, like, their rush defense was like top 10 as it normally is. Like, they allowed like 90 yards per game. I think Oregon rushed for like 200 yards against them. they have like a four-headed monster in the running back room like they they can like beat whoever dude paid said it like Oregon everyone thinks it's like a high-flying offense they average 6.7 yards per carry on the ground and it was what 42 degrees rainy rainy they beat Iowa at Iowa football

yes and it couldn't have started any better a safety two to nothing right out of them and then then they for Iowa to go up with a minute 20 left in the game and they're just like fuck it done I was praying for just fourth quarter it's two to nothing Iowa kicks a field goal then Oregon goes down and kicks a game winning field goal

to win five to three Oh that would be awesome Like that Steelers Chargers game last night Where did Oregon end up on the AP this week? Because the AP poll didn't have Iowa in the top 25 last week so I'm sure they don't see it as like a quality win

whatsoever Right now Oregon 7 they dropped one spot Yeah, I think you could flip. You could flip Ole Miss in Oregon, but quiet. All miss is quiet. Everyone's like the HUD coach is leaving. And quietly, they're just nine and one sitting there.

We have a huge one this weekend. Not to like start looking ahead, but it could shake things up. Who does it? Bama got this weekend. Oklahoma. Yeah. Because Oklahoma's just kind of sitting right there. They're a bubble team.

No one's talking about them. Yeah. But is Oklahoma kind of like Missouri where they're like just begging to stay. the playoff conversation and then it abruptly comes to a halt. I thought so until they went out to Tennessee and we all watched that game and it was like, what the hell is going on here? The job of tier. They just need more consistency.

They need better offense, but like, I don't see it getting more. Dude, that injury, I do not see it getting more. Yeah. And they have a buy before. Oklahoma. Yeah. Florida and Mississippi State. Don't sleep on the bulldo.

Don't sleep on the rebels. And I'm telling you, that Florida game right there is a scary one. It's at home. It shouldn't be scary. But that's when it gets scary. Florida's dead. Florida is the Penn State of the SEC. Outstanding roster, can't put it together.

Yeah. Down their quarterback. Hey, Bama 2 on that G. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like Ty Simpson is going to have. have to be connecting with these explosive plays. He had a couple where he's just missing. And since Bama can't run the football that well, like Oklahoma, I feel like we'll kind of eat that up.

And it comes down to it seems like a matchup like Tennessee, Oklahoma, where you guys can throw the ball well. The one thing I like, though, is our defense is playing their best football right now. Yeah. Like, they're flying around turnovers. Like, we didn't have turnovers last year at all. We had two, maybe three this game. but we turn the ball over

in positive territory and only come out with three. So it's like putting that away, putting that away. Scoring with 20 seconds left in the first half, the last three games is the best field. Yeah. Sitting that team to the locker and like,

motherfucker. Right. What do we think is going to happen in the Big 12? Who do you think is going to be in the Big 12 championship? Like right now I know we have all of Texas. I think we have watched that game this weekend. It's going to be a rematch in this past weekend. Do you think so?

You think B.Y. makes down Cincinnati? Yeah, I do. Pull it BYU. I don't know, buddy. You need that. No,

I'm, I'm not saying in the sensor. He doesn't really need it anymore. Yeah, I don't need it anymore. Yeah, I don't need it anymore. It's just more like, Cincinnati's been a good team. They've kind of been fun to watch and see what sorts of you've been doing.

Yeah, it's BYU at Cincinnati. So, if you, if you drop to Cincinnati, does that put Utah in the Bay, Big 12 championship? That would put Cincinnati in the big country.

Oh. Yeah. They've only lost one, one conference conference. game. Yes. And so Utah is just going to be in the big, is going to be in the playoff. And they would need a little help. Utah last

week there. Well, Utah might need help, but they're going to be again. It's like they could finish, they'll finish 10 and two and they'll just be sitting there prime college football playoff conversation. And if, yeah, for CFP, because you got, if you're going to have Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, in there,

and the Bay 10, and the SEC, you're going to have A&M, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss. Yeah. Is there any more that I need to be thinking of? Oklahoma is currently ranked 12. Yeah, but they're currently ranked 12. This is me assuming they dropped to Alabama.

Right. So that would be the four right there. So that's eight. ACC is going to get one. So now that's nine. G5. A G5. And then you're going to have two spots for the Big 12.

Which Memphis lost? Memphis lost. Memphis was that team. You'll have one, the Big 12 champion will get in. And then it would be like one, one other. Well, here's a, here's a situation. Notre Dame will be in. So that's if Big Ten and SEC get forward, which I don't think will happen.

What if, like, since he beats BYU and then since he beats Texas Tech in the Big 12 championship, do, like, I feel like both, obviously Cincinnati will get the automatic birth. Like, you're not going to leave Texas Tech out. No, yeah, I don't disagree with that. And who was saying that the committee, the committee keeps the championship. like doesn't put a lot of weight in the championship games, correct? They don't punish you from your conference championship. Right.

You get the automatic. If somebody gets their brakes blown off, I think that they could be punished. If you, yeah. If there are two lost teams. Which the only game I see that happening is possibly Indiana Ohio State. But Indiana is undefeated. Right. And they still get in.

Yeah, if they're one lost team, they'll, that's where it's like they won't get punished for getting blown out in the Big Ten championship. Excellent. All right. That is our college football talk. Hey, hell of a week. Hell of a week. Lockroom will be coming out. Our bus with the boys will be coming out tomorrow with Kay Adams.

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