Bussin' With The Boys - Eddie George

Episode Date: August 31, 2020

Recorded: August 19, 2020 On this week's episode, Will is joined by Tennessee Titans LEGEND, Eddie George. Right out the gate, The Boys swap stories of their different experiences playing ball growing up, and Will brings up a beef he's had with Eddie for the past 21 years. Next up, Eddie breaks down his path to playing at THE Ohio State University, and ultimately becoming the best player in the country in '95 when he won the Heisman. He then gives us a look behind the curtain of what it was like playing in the later years of the Houston Oilers, and how tough it was during their move to Nashville. Later on, Eddie goes into detail on his relationship on and off the field with Steve McNair, and what it was like seeing him grow as an NFL quarterback. He then explains some of the challenges he faced during his transition from the Titans to the Cowboys, and eventually his life after football. Finally, Eddie discusses what he's been doing off the field since his retirement from the league (starring in a Broadway play, founding a wealth management company, teaching at OSU, etc) and he gives us his opinion on the Titans 2020 season, and the NFL as a whole. A TON is covered in this one, so buckle up. This one is a can't miss! ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB/ Website: https://www.bussinwtb.comFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We rolling? Yeah. The fucking boys, man. Yo, hell of an episode on Bustin with the Boys. We had Eddie George legend. He's in the college football Hall of Fame. He's had his jersey retired at both Ohio State and the Titans. We talked about a lot of shit, man.

We talked about his going to school back in Philly, how his mom took him to, it was Virginia, right? Yeah. Down in Virginia to attend Fork Union. military academy. My man was talking about doing marches before practice. Called him what, fatigue day? Fatigue day, like military stuff before they even do practice. A lot of good stories, man. Going through Ohio State.

Adversities he went through in a high school and Ohio State. Why he basically was non-existent his sophomore year and basically, you know, the comeback he had to make after having some fumble issues his freshman year, winning the Heisman trophy. Closest vote in history. Beed our boy. Edged our boy out. Tommy Frazier, Nebraska.

Shout out of Nebraska. All free shoutouts always. Going into his NFL career being drafted by the Houston Oilers, the difference between college facilities and NFL facilities, then making the transition to the Tennessee Titans, playing in Memphis that first season and practicing at Vanderbilt, Tennessee State. I don't know. It was a shit show.

their first, when they were transitioning over into their, until they got their new stadium in 1999, playing for Coach Fisher, the final, that play of the Super Bowl where they were one yard short, how he's been able to use that as inspiration and influence throughout his life since then. Playing with Steve McNair, that was a big segment. A lot of good stories with McNair. I mean, unreal stories. What else, boys? I mean, a lot of shit.

transitioning, having a bad breakup of the Titans and going to the Dallas Cowboys, his respect for Jerry Jones as a businessman, what he's kind of learned, transitioning into entrepreneurship, the business world, acting, acting on Broadway, performing on Broadway, Edward George wealth management. Incredible stuff, man. He's an insightful cat. I'm sitting there like, yeah, any young cats that are young athletes that are going to play in the league that are going to play in the league, that are.

playing in the league, any of that stuff. Like, he's somebody you need to seek out for advice, man. Financial advice. He's had some ups and downs. A lot of pivotal points throughout his career that he shares in depth. A lot of good football talk, a lot of good football stories, a lot of good locker room talk, as always. But yeah, man, Eddie George, before we get into the episode, you know, obviously I need to talk

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We don't even do intros either. Like, once we're on, we're just rolling. We're just having a conversation. I'm all good. Yes, 2-2. Check. All right. We are ready to rock. We good back there, Josh?

Yep, let's go. All right, man. Is Garrett here? Yeah. Garrett is right there. Oh, what's up, man? Hey, Bush told me to tell you to fuck off. Oh, so me to tell you that she loved you.

Oh, really? No, I was teasing. that he said you're a good dude you know Gary Garrett's a stepson yeah yeah that's what's telling me yeah Butch is good company to keep dude Butch is the man

He is the man Butch is the man He runs Nashville Yes he does I mean you know I sit on his board and all that I just sit back watch And take notes

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Okay, how many do you have? I have two. My oldest went to Vanderbilt, played there for four years, five years, and now he's USC film school. Okay. Yeah. Nice, smart kid, man.

So what, what's it like being a parent of a high school that is? They're high school, right? Well, one was in college, out of college. The other one is in high school. It's, it's unique, man. It's like you watch your kids grow.

You watch them become a completely different person over the years. You know, you'll be a father in their adult who are so longer than you would be in their childhood. Right. You know, it's funny when you think about it. I always see my children as babies, but they grow up so fast, and they'll pass a threshold. Yeah, kids?

No, not yet. They'll pass a threshold around eight years old when they start to really figure things out, how to really be manipulative and use it. I mean, when they're infants, they understand it, but they don't know how to control it. Yeah. They're chess player, their checker players from one to about eight. And then they become chess players from eight until 55. Yeah.

Okay. So that's how, especially girls too, man. But, you know, my boys are on my life, man. And I enjoy watching them grow and achieve their dreams and watching them, you know, have setbacks and have failures and success. And the highs and lows of life. It looks like what your journey has been for you in terms of your football career. And now that you're doing this deal, you know, you're seeing the ebbs and football. loads of it. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's wonderful to, to witness that.

Yeah. How does your high school like going to school with everything kind of going on? Well, first of all, he hates school. Yeah. Regardless. Yeah. Let's just, right out there. So when they canceled last year, it's like, oh, hell yeah. Actually, it was great for everybody because we didn't have to get up at 5.30 in the morning and school. He just hops out of bed, but they make sure he was out a bit. Yeah. And then he'll go downstairs and sit down, do his, do his, work, go back to sleep between classes and go back to work. And it was like, this is a cool schedule. Yeah. But I think now the fatigue is set in where he wants to, they're doing a hybrid right

down for the first two weeks. What is that? A hybrid is when they're doing some virtual classes, one day, home the next. So it's like he's doing two days in school, three days home. Next week is going to be three days in school, two days home. And then they're going to attempt to bring all the kids together. And that's when all hell can break loose. So we don't, we're crossing our fingers, praying that no one gets ill. And then they have this thing under controls. I don't know what the hell to believe nowadays.

Bro, it's so crazy out there, how much news. Like, you just, you don't know, man. I mean, I heard that the coronavirus for men under 30 makes your penis small. What? It shrinks your penis. I swear to God. I thank God I'm 30. Yeah.

When's your birthday? When's your birthday? September 20 or September 19th. So I'll be 31. Okay. But they, yeah, they said like 30. That's the threshold. So I need to be careful out there.

Some of the asymptomatic deals. Yeah, it shrinks your penis. So you want to be careful for that. B, A, all you guys. I'm 28. I got a couple more years now. Yeah. Yeah.

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But, you're joking. Yeah. Hey, you'll find out, bro. I'm as gullible as it comes, bro. Hey, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's how it goes, man. Yeah, I know. I got you on that one.

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I'm kind of, I was always like bigger. You know, everybody's all, everybody in kind of the NFL was bigger and big fish and small pond growing up. And I was convinced I was going to be a running back when I grew up. I was always like taller. I was leaner. The person I looked up to and thought I was going to be based on my body type was Eddie George. Get out of here. So, hey, this is a surreal moment for me. sixth grade comes around six seventh grade i got the pacifier mouthpiece i got the two bar running back helmet yeah yeah yeah i'm out there looking like a white eddie george bro and you're rocking two seven two eight two eight because i i had a battle between you and marshal fog but my body type and everything else told me i was going to be i was going to be like eddie george uh-huh love watching walter payton

but eddie george was it dude so fast forward i'm about i'm getting accepted for an award i'm I'm on a knee, you know, attention there. I'm thinking of myself, okay, I'm about 5-6-160-160 as a seventh-grader. 5-6-57-160-160-15. I'm thinking I put on 10 pounds this past year. If I keep, you know how you are as a kid, if I keep putting on 10 pounds every year, by the time I'm a 12th grader, because I was a 7th grade at the time, I'm thinking, when I'm a 12th grader in high school, going into college,

I'll probably be around 220, around what Eddie George is. I'll probably be around 6'2 because hopefully I'll keep growing. Everybody thinks I'm tall, like I'm going to keep growing. and I'm going to play in college for probably like three years. I'm going to chuck deuses. I'm going to go to the league and be, you know, mimic everything after Eddie George. So go back to that moment. I try and go to a, this was a year after you guys, after the Super Bowl.

And I go to this football camp in St. Louis, around the St. Louis area. And I go as a running back and linebacker coaches. Everybody always wanted me to play linebacker on defense. and I hated playing line. Hey, truth be told I hated playing linebacker because I was like, man, I'm going to be on offense. I go to this camp, bug-eyed, can't wait. You're supposed to be there.

Eddie George doesn't show up that day. Oh, wow. And so I end up doing drills like Mike Jones, a linebacker because they had guys, you know how like all the camps our pro guys come in. I want to say something happened. You couldn't make your flight or I don't know. But you weren't there.

And I remember my dad telling me, and I was so hurt. Because I was like, man, this is going to be the day I got to meet him. Wow. Now, listen, I know I talk a lot. You're going to be talking the majority of the conversation. Hey, bro, do your thing. Because we got a lot of history. Yeah.

Go ahead and pull up the photo. So fast forward, I end up getting over it. You go and speak to us when I am a senior, junior going to be a senior at Nebraska. Yeah. We take a photo. Obviously, you don't remember me in the great clips cut, the bust adult teeth. That was just a gritty grinder back in the day.

Dave Kennedy, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You were actually there when Bo was there. Dave probably set it up through the strength stand and stuff. Oh, that's right. Because Bo Polini was there.

Bo Polini was there. Right. And you came and spoke to us, but we met almost August 24, 2012, almost eight years ago to the day. Wow. We took this photo. Hey, and now everything full circle. I'm getting like goosebumps, thinking about the old running back days. Wow. And now I'm sitting here with Eddie George on.

on busing with the boys. That is insane. Yeah, that's right. Because I was down there for, I was down in Nebraska doing something for, um, uh,

the Heisman. Not the Heisman. It was in the summer. It was in the summer. We come down, it was our campus tours. Okay. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. So, yeah, I think it had to be doing summer camp. I remember, but yeah, man,

I can't, of course I remember you. Well, why wouldn't I. I mean, maybe. You might have remember 51 back in the day. Dude, man, you about six, what, six four? No, I'm about six, two.

Do you about the same height in this picture. See, you were there, though, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were probably getting a little older. You might, your vertebrae might. I'm six three and a half. You didn't know six three and a half. I am a six three and a half. Hey, I'll take six four.

I think you're, I think you're reaching to the six three. But, hey, in that wild? Man, that is, that is insane, man. I I God Do you remember going to a camp

back in the day at a little kids camp? I do that was for Budweiser there was a guy named Demetrius I can't remember his last name

he brought me in and my flight was delayed coming in yeah so there was a camp there was night festivities

there was a golf tournament there was all of that that whole weekend oh snap I remember coming in because my flight was delayed I got in later on

after the camp yeah so I'm sorry I know. Hey, I was a young boy, man, crush. Like, man, I was going to meet Eddie George. Yeah. Well, you met me now. So, here we go. I know. I know. This shit's crazy, dude. But I want to start all the way back in the beginning. You grew up in Philly? How was that? Talk to us about growing up in Philly. And when you exactly knew that you were going to be a phenomenal football player? Oh, man. Well, I grew up all over Philadelphia. I grew up mainly in Abington, just out.

outside of Philadelphia, with North Hills. And my mother, she worked for Ford Motor Company and also as a flight attendant. So we moved around a lot between like Sheltonham, Southwest Philadelphia, Mount Airy. So I just claimed just Philadelphia because I have friends and family all over the city. Yeah. You know, back then, I just, it was just Philly. It was just home, you know. it was home of Joe Frazier, you know, Rocky Balboa.

That's right. The Eagles, the Broad Street bullies, the Flyers, the Sixers. So it was that way of life. I just fell in love with the game of football. My father played the game, not at a high level, just high school. But he would hear, I would always hear him telling stories of how he loved playing the game of football and how we loved running backs. And Jim Brown was his favorite running back. and so forth.

And I just grew up loving the game when I came out the womb. In fact, I used to take my father's little trophy. He had a trophy that stood like the Heisman. Yeah. And I would break it down and broke it actually. And I would play with like I was playing on the football field with little figurines. And I just loved the pageantry around the game of football period. So I grew up a Penn State football fan.

wanted to play for Penn State, wanted to play running back for Penn State. I wanted to be closed to home and want all my family and friends to see me play there. And, of course, that didn't happen. But I didn't know that I wanted, I didn't know exactly when I wanted to play football. I just knew that I would make it someday. I didn't know how or when or what. But I always felt it in my spirit that I was going to not just play the game, but play at a high level.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What happened with Penn State? Well, I went to a military academy because my grades are poor. I messed around in high school so much until the 10th grade. My mom had enough. So she packed up our bags, packed up my bags, and drove me nine hours down, I-95 South, to Virginia,

and dropped me off at the military academy school at the age of 15. and that's where my journey really began as really finding out who I was. Oh, damn. Prior to that, I was, you know, six foot 160, 168 pounds, slow as dirt, not very big, lack work ethic. But in my mind, I could still see myself going to Penn State and playing. I thought I was going to turn it around, but I lacked discipline in the classroom as a person. And when I went to the Fort Union, it was an eye-opening experience, as I thought my career was over.

only to find out that every school in America comes to Fork Union to find talent, like from Virginia, UNC, USC, South Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Virginia Tech, all the ACC schools, all the secondary schools, James Madison, where every single school you can think of came through there, their coaches, head coaches, comes through those doors. So I was in the right place, the right time. But my work ethic, my attitude, everything, about me was way off

and it had to start with me. Once I started changing the way I thought, the way I viewed success, that it was cool to get A's and still be on the football team. Yeah. It changed my whole life, my whole perspective of life and then

it was shortly thereafter that I was able to garner the attention of high school, of the high school, but colleges around the country and Ohio State was one of them. Damn. So, hey, shut out mom, dude.

Yeah. Yeah, she, I mean, it's tough. I mean, I have a 15-year-old now. And he gets on my nerves. So, and I'm thinking, God, it would be really hard for me to send my son away to military school. And my mother did it without any money, any resources, hardly. She knew that she, my life was in danger because I was becoming a monster. Man.

And becoming that. I wasn't quite there yet, but I had the potential to be great at something. And, you know, I could have been great as a drug dealer or a hustler or a bum. I can do that really well. It's lay on my constantly video games and fruity pebbles all day. Yeah. You know, so the potential was there to do something great, but she had to change my environment. And by her doing that, I had to, I was able to see the potential of what I could become and be in life.

man that's crazy because like you were saying alluding to it's probably the toughest decisions you probably ever made at that point yeah but knowing it's the right one like i got to do this or he's going to go down the wrong way i wouldn't be talking to you right now without any of of this you know without having that experience i would not be on this bus right now would not be talking about my career my life my family my values my principles um without that experience is there in a moment is there a moment you can think on that actually you shifted your perspective. Like when you're,

because figuring that out kind of in high school, I mean, hats off to you for that too, because a lot of kids, they don't, it might be college. It might be way down the line before they figure out. But was there like a,

like an ass kicking moment to where you're like, yo, I got to turn my shit around. Yeah, it was. There was a running back when I got down there. His name was Lee Green. In fact, he passed away this year.

And he was like, everything. thing. All-American running back. Getting recruited by everybody in the country, a 4.0 GPA, just the model of, like, what I wanted to be, 6, 3, 225 pounds, ran a 4-5-40,

4-4-40, just a beast of a running back. He was a platoon sergeant. I mean, he was just like, gosh, man, this is the model. And that's what I want. I want to get that. How can I get that? But I wasn't very tough. I didn't like to run, didn't like to work. And it was this one day we're running

wind sprints after practice. And at Fork Union, you march first. Like we were, we have fatigue days every Tuesday and Thursday. Excuse me, Monday and Wednesday was parade and fatigue day. I mean that we wore our fatigues, we got to prepare to march for however long that is for an hour, marching and just getting ready for this parade. I hated it. So we come, we're already coming to practice exhausted. So it was one day that,

after every practice, we do these wind sprints for, for conditioning and for competition. So we'll run 10. And then after that, it's competition. Whoever comes in first gets out. So naturally,

I was like, shit, I'm the slowest one out here. So I'm a lollygag until what I get, you know, I know I know I can beat somebody in my group. And then,

it off. So wind up beating one of the second fastest guys that day. And I throw my hands up in the air and I, you ever see a Lipton T commercial with a splash back in the water? I did that on the ground and my coach was screaming.

That's all I can hear is my helmets on. And I'm thinking they're cheering me on because I did a great job. He says, George, George, get your ass up. Get your ass up and run another one. There's no laying down on my field after you, after you win. or after you finish your spritz.

There's no laying down. You walk. And I'm pissed up. I'm like, damn, I just won. And I'm crying and bitching about it. And all of a sudden, my teammates was calling me soft. And they were like, you know, what, man, you're just selfish and this and that. And he made me run another one.

I'm huffing and puffing. And then he is, as I'm walking off the field, he's standing over this bank. This bank is about 20 feet, I guess, long. and it's going downhill. And just down on the other side, the post-graduates are practicing. And he's watching them sunglasses on, hat on, the whistle in his mouth. He says, George, come here. He says, you're a rose pedal.

I said, what? He says, you're a rose pedal. You look good, but you're fragile, just like a rose pedal. So that's your nickname. And then he said, do you want to play big time college football? I said, yes, sir, I do. He said, well, listen to me and I'll get you there. And from that moment on, I listened to him.

And it was not easy. I still rebelled. But once I started seeing the system and how it could work for me and how the people there, the staff, the teachers, the coaches were there to help me, I began to really work hard. I began to work at my craft. So I would spend hours working out in the gym. I would miss, damn than miss dinner, you know, just to get in every single rep that I could. because I could then see it, taste,

feel my opportunity coming, and I had to be ready for it. Hey, that's a good story. Yeah. That's powerful. I bet that was tough as shit hearing that somebody call you a rose pedal. Oh, yeah, it was.

You look good, but you're fragile like a rose pedal. Hey, that's tough, man. Yeah. That's tough. When do you feel like, because you've alluded to yourself being slow during this time, when do you feel like you started coming to your own,

I assume it at Ohio State? When did you start blossoming? Oh. And kind of becoming that dude. Well, at O State? Yeah. At O State was, well, I played some as my freshman year as a goal line running back. And I had some success early.

It was a national televised game against Syracuse. Syracuse was ranked in it. Guys, can you look this up? I think in 1992, they were ranked, preseason ranked top 15, top 10. It's going to get the story right. But I never let facts get in the way of a good story. Anyway, they were ranked. They were number two in the country.

I was just going along with that. What year was it? 1992. 1999. 1992. Just type in 1992. Syracuse was 10. Rang 10th in the country.

That's the end of the year, though. I bet at the time. Preseason. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Ranked top 15. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top 10. And they have Marvin Graves.

They got the missile. They got a defense that's swarming. They beat Ohio. State that past year in a citrus bowl. So they kind of know so it was a home game for them. And we're going to carry them. We're huge underdogs going in there on a Saturday night game of the week. Okay.

Kirk Herbsty was our quarterback. And you knew we wanted to run the football because he can't throw worth a damn. You know that, right? And we had all this town on the outside, Joe Galloway and all of that. But we would go two tight ends and hand the ball off to me or Raymond. But long story short, Robert Smith, who was our running back, was kind of hurt. He had hurt ribs, and he couldn't take on the load, so we had to share the load. So I was playing running back, a goal line running back that night.

So long story short, I scored three touchdowns. That night, it became touchdown, Eddie. Ohio State fans love me. Two weeks later, we play our second biggest rival in the big ten of the time, Illinois. And during that period, during that era, Illinois owned us. Yeah. Okay, no matter if we're playing them in Champaign or down in Ohio and Columbus, they just had our number. And this was the year we were supposed to beat them going to the Rose Bowl and so forth.

And the first carry I get in goal line, you know, I'm thinking, okay, this is the Big Ten, whatever. I'm going to score. I'm thinking like how I'm going to score my touchdown when my touchdown is going to be. Yeah. Go and get the ball. go up the middle, before I go down, the ball pops out and bounces twice off the turf, and the Illinois defender picks it up and runs it back 97 yards for a touchdown. Oh, shit.

Yeah, oh, shit is right. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I'm pissed. I'm embarrassed. I'm like, damn, I don't have him get a little opportunity. Cooper yells at me again. Go, go redeem yourself.

Why not scoring a touchdown? I brand somebody square flat over, man. I was pissed. Excited touchdown. Well, the game goes on back and forth, back and forth. And we finally drive down for the winning touchdown. He throws me in the game. I take the toss.

I get the toss, 19 toss. I see the forest defender come up field. I come underneath. I'm going to make a B-line to the pylon. Take the next step. Get hit in the back. Ball flies in the air. Fumble.

We covered game over. My season was done. And I didn't see the field again until my junior year. No shit. No shit. And that was in that moment. between my freshman and sophomore year to my junior year, that that's when I found out who I was.

I had to dig a little bit deeper. Yeah, because you're in, you know, for people who don't know, like when you drop off kind of like that, and you're going through a second year and you're not touching the field and you're going through two different off-season where not only are you training hard to get back right mentally, you know every coach, probably teammates, like you just know eyes are on you differently than what you would like. Yes.

And so you are in some lonely spots sometimes. Oh, no question. So when you're fighting back, like, I can't wait to hear the next story. Like, for people who don't know, like coming back from shit that where you feel like you're defined, once a fumbler, always a fumbler, like every coach around that thinks you're this. Like, you can't, you know. It's tough to overcome that stuff mentally.

So what happened junior year? My. Well, how'd you battle back to get that respect back for your junior year? Well, I bust my ass. Yeah. I bust my ass. I mean, I could have transferred. and I thought about transfer

but that was only going to follow me. Right. So I was just, that my sophomore year was a little bit better in training camp, but the coach still didn't trust me. Never got those opportunities again. You know,

get mop-up duty here and there, played sparingly, but. Which pisses you off. Yeah, so I had to wait at my time because in our meeting room, we had three, four running backs that all went to the NFL.

Yeah. Robert Smith, Butler Bonote, Raymond Harris, Jeff Cothran, all four of them in the league. Yeah. So I had to wait my turn. So what I did was I showed up early, 6 o'clock in the morning will work out, and I will come back twice a day. I will do two a days.

And you know, you know Dave Kennedy, right? Yeah, no. Yeah, I know. I know him because he was a recruiter of mine before I went there. Okay, perfect. Well, his workouts were notoriously difficult. Yes, guys talked about that all of that. Yes.

and I would do his workouts twice a day. So all the pain that I felt, the hurt that I felt, the embarrassment, the discouragement, and all the negative talk that was going on around me, I used that for fuel for my fire to come back even harder. So my junior year, there was still speculation that, we don't know he's the guy, we've got this young recruit coming in,

let's split time, let's be carriage with him. and the first couple games were I had 100 yards against Washington but when you look at the tape I should have had 200 just missed opportunities I was rattled but it wasn't until like I played Michigan State

in Michigan at Michigan State in Lees Lansing where everything just kind of slowed down and I wanted to have my first 200 yard game and then that's when it started to pick up and then my senior year was off the charts oh yeah yeah Heisman winner

Yeah. Edged out Tommy Frazier. Yeah. It's like the closest. At the time. Is it still the closest? I think at the time. Yeah, at the time.

Yeah, closest vote in history at the time. Tommy Frazier, shout out in Nebraska. 50 votes, dude. Tommy was a beast, too. Oh, he's all. Listen, man. Tommy Frazier is no joke to beat him out. Right.

He's an all-time great, one of the greatest players ever in college football. I know. You can talk about Tim Tebow. Cool. Right. Touchdown Tommy, man. Listen, he was beyond, I mean, the option was no joke. They ran that option to perfection with him and Lawrence Phillips, please.

It was awesome. They were honest to be back in the day. Yeah. Man. And Nebraska fans still called me and tweet me about giving the highest man back to Tommy. Really? I take a picture of it. You got to troll them?

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senior year. You go on and get drafted in the first round. Was winning the Heisman, would you say one of the highlights of looking back moments? Without a doubt, man. just because probably, I'm sure it was an emotional night when you think about your mom making that choice in high school, overcome what you overcame in college, and I'm getting to that point.

So you're on a pedestal at a time, but people never really see the backstory. Right, what you've got to go through. I mean, just five years before that, I was at Fork Union military. And getting ready for a March. Be ready for a March. Do you know Marches.

Five years, man. Can call a Rose Petal. Yeah. Well, before, yeah, before that, I was six feet, 168 pounds. And I used to, in 1988, I would practice my Heisman speech in the mirror, my grandmother's house. Really? Yep. And I promise you, man, I would look up at the stars and ask and tell God, I know you have something special for me.

I have no idea how I'm going to get there or when or what, but I know it's coming. And it's like a world when it just happened. So when the Heisman was. was a very surreal moment, but I wasn't surprised, but I was like, damn, that really just happened. Yeah, it's kind of like those, are you a fan of like the Law of Attraction and stuff like that? It's like one of those things where you're like, in your mind, you're like, I'm not surprised, but it's crazy that it's happened like this. It's happened, right. Because I was seeing it before all that stuff.

Visualizing it, seeing it, feeling it. There's so much to that. So much to prayer. You know, prayer is a very powerful tool that we can rely on. It only goes as far as much as you believe it. Right. If you don't believe it by faith, then it's not going to happen. Yeah.

But if you really believe it and you have faith in the vision, you have faith in the dream, and you work on that part of you, every single day that you get up, you bend your will to God's purpose for you and trust in the visions, in the dreams, and the intuitions that you have about your purpose in life, you will see things unfold for you. Right. But the moment that you doubt it and said, well, I'm a test God. Like, yeah, it only happens for those idiots,

they go to church every weekend or those people that, you know, this believe in Psalms and read the Bible every day. Mm-hmm. If you have that attitude, then it will never happen for you. Well, usually those attitudes come when something hard actually happens for that, or somebody will get believing, they'll get, you know, they'll listen to a speech by you and then go off. Like, I'm going to do this and that. In the moment, like, you get some pushback.

Like, you got to keep that same energy even in those moments. But that, the pushback is the blessing. Right. Right. Every superhero has to have a demon, has to have an enemy. You've got to have that adversary that's going to bring the best out of you. When you get your ass kicked, when you get your teeth knocked in and you get kicked in the gut, how are you going to be? respond. Right. You know what I'm saying? How do you respond? That's the beauty of it. And it happens in

business. It happens in football. It happens in every aspect of life. As a father, as a husband, as whatever it is, you want to get tested because the dream is so big you're going to have some pushback. You want to have some resistance. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. So now you go to Tennessee. obviously your career speaks for itself phenomenal. Talk a little bit about some of your ups and downs being a Tennessee Titan. First three years were difficult, having no identity. My fault, Houston Oilers. Houston Oilers.

I got to say Houston Oilers first round. Rookie of the year, the first year. Yep. And played in front of 18,000 fans on average. Yeah. That was very difficult coming from Ohio State to the league and seeing just like, wow, this is the league? Right.

What were the wow moments? Speak on like the wow, this is the league because, you know, we might know, but give people perspective on what you mean about that. Well, at Ohio State, we had, at the time, we had a big, huge hot tub. We had cold tubs. Exactly. We had a practice helmet, a game helmet, game shoes, practice shoes, practice

pass, game pads. Everything you want. everything you want it down to the detail. It's even worse now. It's even better now. Excuse me. With guys how they get pampered. When I got to Houston,

it was a bin with jock straps in it. And you go in there, you get your jock strap out, shake it out. You look at it. If it has any ball stains on it or whatever, and then if it was good to go, then he was yours. And I'm like, what part of the game is this? Right.

It looked like the facility was literally in like a former post office building, transformed. That's fucking nuts, right? It is. And you're thinking, yo, this is the NFL. This is the NFL. Like the meeting, the meeting room, if you had like wooden tables, you would seat at your grandmother's house and chairs wrapped around it. For lunch, we had to go down the street to go to this little bodega and get like Popeye's chicken or sandwich. And it was nothing like you would ever imagine.

For a professional athlete. Yeah. Guy smoking cigarettes and shit, the parking lot. I mean, it was like, this is crazy. And that was the culture, but that's how they, that's how they did it in Houston. Once they announced that we were leaving Houston and going to Tennessee, there was a ghost town. It was nobody coming to the games. There was no support.

At Houston, there's no support because everybody was so pissed off. going to be there for two years under the scenario. And the attendance was so bad. Our last game, I think it was against Baltimore. I think it may have been 7,000 or less in the stands. And that's including the concession stands workers. Oh, my God. You can hear conversations like intimate.

Hey, we're the hot dogs. Get the fucking hot dogs. Right. No, not. Or you can hear somebody talking about what they did last week or problems that are going on in the stands. Yeah. And it was the craziest environment. But the first three years were very, very tough.

Playing in Memphis was a travesty. And playing in Memphis was the first year as a Tennessee tight, right? Because we had Coach Fisher on, and he was talking about the dynamic of going and playing in Memphis and traveling back. And at first you were something about Vanderbilt or maybe at Tennessee State. You were using their facilities or something? Tennessee State's facilities. Hey, what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, Tennessee State facilities go back and forth to Memphis.

Every game was an away game. We stayed like, I think, I want to say a Motel 6. No. Yeah, like for when we went to Memphis, so it was not like we had the best of anything. We had to take cabs over to. Hey, what were some of the wildest motel six stories? Oh, man. We don't have to even say anything.

Well, we were only there for one night. So it was, it wasn't a whole lot. that we could do, but just to prove that the rooms weren't being cleaned every week, yeah. We would leave, like, a piece of, like, gum or, or an old sandwich underneath the blanket, where the extra blanket is to see if we'll be there when we got back. And lo and behold, it was there the entire year. Yeah, yeah.

It was, I mean, it was gutter, man. It was gutter, but it developed the toughness to us. So once we got here in 1999 and we saw the facility built, we saw the stadium go up, and when we walked in that stadium on a pre-season game and it was packed, it was like, oh, shit, we got a win starting right now. Like, there's no time to bullshit here. There's no time to put a bad product on the field so we don't have any fans.

This was, that was it. And that was, that was the missing ingredients. for us. And that's when things shifted. You know, we went from nomads to kings. You had some cold tubs.

You had some hot tubs at that time. Oh, the facility. Now, I wasn't back then. Right. Even back then, it's still different even compared to now. Yeah, but we had a huge hot tub.

We had a huge gold. We could fit 30 guys in the cold tub at once. I mean, all of this stuff that we wish we had, like, oh, my God. Now you go over there. It's even better. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's way better. Yeah, it's way better, man. But, yeah, those are the glory days, man. Yeah, my rookie year, so coming from Nebraska high up facilities as well, and then going to the Washington football team, like, after our first practice, I remember coming in and thinking, like, yeah, where are the cold tubs and stuff? Yeah, what's going on? Because the cafeterias are weird in, like, every team at first.

But you walk into the training room and off on, like, some side room. like Rack, Brian, Rack Poe, London Fletcher, they're like, they have water hoses putting these, these tubs together, just these little bins that they had, like, you know, from outside. Like, oh, yeah, this is how we, you know, right, hey, this how we got to do it here, man, until we get some tubs next year.

But I was thinking, yo, this is the NFL. Yeah, it's surprising. And your situation, it was way, way different. Yeah, money won in the players compared to college, it goes into the facilities. Now, 1999 that year, you guys go to the Super Bowl. Talk to us about that year. Talk to us about what was like playing for Coach Fish, how you guys all handled the transition.

Like you said, now you've got fans in the stadium. You're trying to basically, hey, we want to win and keep this the way it is. We've got to show out for these guys. Talk about that transition of going into playing that season. Yeah, it was a lot of things changing. It was the uniforms. It was the name. The fans were part of the game.

the process of naming us the tightness. And we felt a genuine love with them. Coach Fisher was masterful in bringing us from Houston to Nashville because we were still

competitive. We went eight and eight in one of those years and everybody looks at his record. It's like, oh, eight and eight, oh, Jeff, what the fuck? I mean, think about what he had to deal with. Yeah. Like, that shit ain't easy. Right.

I mean, to try to get a team ready every single week selling us on what? You know, with no fans. Like, come on. Like, that's to be commendable. To put a product out there to do the best you can. We could have easily went one in 12 and one and 15. And that was okay because there was no pressure there for us to win.

So to come up with creative ways to sell the game plan every single week. And we were dead tired. there was no incentive really to play other than for each other. Those were some tough year. So once we got everything in place and we finally had a sense that we mattered, it was like, oh, God, you can feel it in the, you can feel the energy in training camp in 1999 because I was in my third year, Steve was coming into his own.

We had picked this drafted some receivers. young receivers Kevin Dyson. We just drafted Javon Curse. Oh, yeah, he was a freak. Now, that was literally like, oh, God, we can really, we already had a good defense, but he set it off. Because he had that rookie year that was like, he couldn't, he was unblockable, man.

Yeah. He was unblockable. And then you throw in the fans where it was the loudest stadium in the league at the time. They thought we were piping sound in it. So it was rocked. It was a hornet nest when you walked into Adelphia Stadium. And you had to deal with a team that was nasty that said, look, we're going to run the ball 30 times.

You're not going to even worry about throwing it vertical. But you're going to have to deal with us in the box. But for 60 plus minutes, it's going to be iron fists for 60 plus minutes. Are you mad enough to deal with that? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's the mentality that we had. And it was a beautiful thing.

You know, we were nasty, we were grimy, you were going to throw up three. We're going to beat you 10-9, 13-3. We got them elbow pads on. That pacifier mouthpiece. No doubt, man. And that's, we're going to get the old ski mask way. Yeah.

And that's how we could do it. And 99 was a great year. We did not lose a game in that stadium at all that year. I think for like the first our first two or three years and never lost a home game. Damn. Yeah. Now let's get to the Super Bowl. how often do you still think about the Super Bowl?

You know, it comes up almost every day in some capacity. Hey, that's tough, man. Well, it's not. It's not. No, I know, but I'm saying like that. And here's why, because it was, it's tougher in the AFC championship game to get there. That's the toughest game to play in. That's a grind.

out war and it's survival of the fittest in that game. So to get to the Super Bowl was like, ah, okay, we're here. And it's, that's the reward to play for the ultimate prize. And to have battled the way we did, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. It let me know, like at that moment when Kevin Dyson stretched out his arm, um, didn't cross the goal line. And the confetti's flying everywhere.

It was like, damn, we just experienced this. We didn't win. It hurts like hell. But it sparked something in us that we knew we had something special for a certain window of time. So I remember after that game, we flew back to Nashville. and we were supposed to go to the Pro Bowl. And I told Jeff, I said, look, man, I'm thinking about not even going to the Pro Bowl. You know, I want to get started on next year right now.

I think he's, I think he's mentioned that on the pod. Yeah. Yeah. Right now. Like, not tomorrow, but right now. I'm going to get stretched out. I'm going to recover, do all, but I'm hitting the hills. I'm going to go on the sabbatical.

I'm going to train in the mountains. I'm going to go the Rocky style, you know, Clubberlang style, you know what I'm saying? Where rats are rolling around. The pipes are got to rustling out. Beer growing out, you know. You know, that type shit. That's what I was on.

And I was that hungry for it to have that, to be that close to winning it and have that taste in your mouth, man. It's intoxicating. It's addictive And I wanted that And I felt like That stage

I felt comfortable being on I enjoy it That's where I belong On a stage like that Consistently My goal was to get back there consistently And of course You know the story behind that

We never did But So knowing that you don't ever go back And think like There's a Like is there anything else That could have been executed Differently

On that final play? Oh yeah I think that Is there a different play you wish would have been called? Is there a different moment in that game that, I mean, you know all those things. You sit back as a player. The right call was made. I mean, we're at the two-yard line.

Here we go. Hey, by the way, hell of a fucking tackle by Mike Jones, dude. Yeah, he played it well. Kevin Dyson could have took a step further. And at that moment, that's, that was it. That was the play. And they rushed the field and that, and that's all she wrote. but hindsight 2020 man

we battled like warriors man and I remember being in the huddle before this play and I said to myself regardless of what happens I'm gonna hold my head up high because this is a team the greatest show on turf was supposed to blow us out by 17 points or whatever

and we beat them earlier in that year too so had we gone in overtime that defense was so tired it was our game to win. So, you know, when I look back, yeah, we lost, but people remember that game and have long-lasting relationships and friendships from it.

I've extracted so much, so many lessons in life about that that I can teach to my sons using my speeches. So it served its purpose. It really did. Yeah, I like that silver lining on it, too, how you use it as influence. now and speeches and things like that.

Obviously, everyone knowing that we would have you on the bus, everybody included. Congratulations on the baby because you couldn't do it because you had a baby. No, Taylor had a baby. Taylor had a baby. Remember, I have no baby.

Not yet. I get married next year. Oh, congratulations. Oh, really? How'd you do it? We were out in Oakland, and we were about to fly to Denver for our last game, and I had had a plan to do it.

that year in some capacity. I was running out of time. Yeah. And when I went to Oakland, I'm like, all right, how am I going to swing this? So I got to set up at this local restaurant, she had this cute little spot up by the window, a little two-seater. And she'd always wanted a love note from me. And, you know, the masculinity kicks in at times. And you're like, I'm not going to write you a love note.

But something clicked in my head. I was like, okay, if she's always wanted a love note for like her birthday or something, I'm going to do it for our engagement. So I wrote a very well-written love letter, gave it to her as like a birthday card. She opened it up. I said she had to read it aloud. So that way I wouldn't fumble away. So that way I wouldn't fumble over my words. And she doesn't know it first.

And then she gets in the last paragraph and she realizes coming together. She starts tearing up. I move the little table outside. I get down on a knee. Did you cry? I was tearing up. But I'm like, the PDA stuff bothers me. So getting over the hump being in public doing it, it was like a big.

It was just a big step. I was like, here's what I got to do it in front of people. I got to face one of fears, but yeah, it was, and that's, and that's,

it is dope because you create a moment in time that she'll never forget. Right. That's a memory that she'll never forget. I'm glad you did it right, too. Well, thank you. You never wrote a love letter?

Wrote a love letter. I used to write love letters all the time. Well, back in grade school when you're like, you know, writing some notes and you pass in the hallway, but you know how it is this day and age, man. Like, are your kids out to write love letters?

He's gone, man. They're done. DM and stuff. That's what I'm saying. It's different now. Like body parts. Like that's not...

Like, I see the shit that goes on in my household. Yeah. And I'm like, look, hey, cut this shit out right now. You go, cut it out. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to put myself... He's never... No, that, not like that, but...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kids are... Yeah, it's different nowadays, but... It really is different. But anyway, now we have the letter hanging up. So it was really good. But what I was going to... ask you was if, yeah, there it is right there.

Very nice. Very nice. Yeah. Beautiful girl, man. Y'all keeps your coverage on that, bro. Yeah. Thank you, man. I definitely did.

But going back to that year and just talking, playing on the Titans in general, everyone always loves to know what it was like stories of Steve McNair, playing with Steve, you know, what teaching lessons you might have taken from him as a teammate, a play player, a man off the field, any of that stuff that you might use now. What was it like? What's something that exemplifies your guys' relationship, your guys is being on the field together? What are some Steve McNair stories that you might have? Well, I was a fan of Steve coming from Ohio State and the college, I mean, into the pro, excuse me.

He went to all-corn State, HBCU and Mississippi. Yeah. And he was legend. I mean, shit, he graced the cover of Sports Illustrated, handed him the Heisman. I mean, he was breaking all types of records, and, you know, he was just an awesome athlete to know. I mean, he finished third or second in the Heisman trophy,

Baham Rashan Salam, and he was everything. But to become his teammate to get to know Steve intimately, he was the type that wouldn't allow people in. If he didn't know, he was very protective, of his feelings and what he thought and so forth. So it was really tough to get beyond the exterior of Steve was. He didn't trust a lot of people. But once he let you in, man, he was just,

we come on his bus and flip-flops and a glass of moonshine and, you know, dipping his mouth, coming from fishing. He was just a country boy at heart. Yeah. He was more country boy. He loved being a country boy than love being a football player. You know, he loved his family. He was a family man.

And that's who he was, love his teammates. You know, there were times after practice every Friday, every single Friday, we would, at the, we were the Titans. He was, he would get catfish and hush puppies and get some beer, you know, and sit out and talk shit in the back office at the equipment room and just, just vibes, watch, you know. Every Friday we would. we would do that. I love those days

because the days were over, the short day, getting out. Feel good Friday, man. It was the absolute best. And he would give you the shirt off his back for you, you know, and that's how he was. I remember a time when I was, it was a

worst game that I probably played as a pro. It was a Monday night game against Baltimore. Fumbled the balls, coming off of a toe injury. My mother wind up, winds of getting arrested for something and coming to the game and it's and the final after the game so I'm like feeling really low you know that and this and Barrett all this stuff and he calls me up and says

eight to seven man let's go out and get something to eat you know I know how you feel in and he was that type of type of teammate you know always protecting his brothers um but I've watched this man you know deal with a lot of adversity during his time as a quarterback. Being an African-American quarterback, he had to do a lot. It took him time to find his game. I think there were times when we handcuffed him because of his abilities. Steve was a quarterback that wasn't the pocket,

stand in the pocket, throw the ball down field type of guy. I mean, he could do those things, but he needed weapons around him. He needed to be the highlight of the offense. He wasn't the type of play action. and then throw it to the flat. You know, he had special skill set. So it wasn't until 2001, two, that they really began to put the reins in his hands

and allow him to become, you know, the wizard on the field. He really went from elementary offense to becoming, to having a PhD, literally on the field, calling his own plays, going five wide. And we didn't even have the plays. You didn't even go over the plays in practice. He would know how to check and manipulate the defense

and win the run, when the slide. I mean, just all the nuances that you wanted to see out of a quarterback, and I just watched his confidence grow over time where he can put the ball on your earloat. But there was also a time when he couldn't throw a five-yard out because his confidence was so low. So to watch the drastic deal. difference from one player to the next was incredible to see there.

And it was all based off of one thing was perseverance. He persevered through the doubt, through the naysayers, through personal doubt, through his own personal demons, not wanting to play the game. There was a game when against Kansas City, when he got hit in the sternum, he was booed off the field, didn't want to play football again, only to come back two or three weeks later, the just cold off the bench in the fourth quarter through the game winning touchdown against Pittsburgh and three rivers. So it was all those little things that, man, this dude is

mentally tough. He was physically tough, but more so mentally and spiritually tough than anything else. Damn. Are there a couple plays that would define you guys as arguably being the two best Titans to ever put on a uniform, but are there a couple plays like you're in the moment he might go off cuff and be like, hey, no, we're going to do this or some, you know, something that's like would be fun to kind of know about that doesn't go with the ebbs and flows of every other story. Well, Steve, during his MVP year, wouldn't practice during the week.

Oh, really? No, he would always. As the Q? As the QB, he would not practice during the week. We did not see him. He was in the training room taking a nap. He'll last Sanford and son. The price is right.

Matt Locke That was his thing He would watch all those shows And he would come out to practice Because he was banged up a lot So we were in New York We were playing New York Giants I think we lost the Jets a week before

And He could not move Like his toe, I think he had a toe injury Or knee injury He was banged up from head to toe. And we were losing the game I think about like 14 points, 15 points or something like that.

And he led us to a comeback. I mean, just with five wise, no huddle, I think for the last, for the last quarter. And he led us to a comeback in a New York market. And that to me was just so impressive because he never gave up. He never shied away from adversity. Even when we were down and losing, he always was going to come up and show up. Another thing about Steve, too. And when he was in college, he played Youngstown State in Youngstown.

And it's blistering cold. It's like 15 below zero playing in a playoff game. And he's not playing well. He knows he's leaving the next year after the season. But he continues to play deep into the fourth quarter. And they're getting their asses kicked in the cold. It continues to fight for his teammates in himself. So he is another example.

of how selfless he was as a quarterback and as a person. It's amazing. Yeah, that was, that's wild, man. I mean, how do you, when you first heard the news, what went through your mind when he had, you know, and everything went down and happened? Well, I didn't, I didn't believe it. I didn't want to believe it. But when it was confirmed, it was, uh, still is a shock.

Yeah. It's something you never get over. You know, the moment you find out, I was driving back from Atlanta, my wife, my son, we were coming back to celebrate the Fourth of July. And there was not a cloud in the sky. It was a hot summer day. And as we got closer to town and the words started to spread, it just felt like it was like a haze over the city. It started to rain and pour for three days, for three days. And the city was just down.

like the worst loss you can ever imagine. And you go to sleep, wake up, hoping it, it was just a bad dream, but only to realize that that's what it was. And all the things that went around it, you know, was just even more devastating. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, no doubt. And then everybody's probably pulling, you know, wanting to hear.

Yeah. Yeah. Because you're Eddie George and, you know, yeah, that's unfortunate. I mean, we actually had shout out, you know, Matt Neely, RIP Matt Neely. we had our first social media guy producer for the bus. He passed on us suddenly last year. He would have been, my man would have had a, he would have had a chubby back there,

like, so ecstatic that you were on the bus. Oh, man. But he was, that one was sudden too, man. And it was, um, that's just crazy. That's why you have to take every day as a blessing, bro. Mm-hmm. You can't take any day for granted. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And you really have to just waking up is the gift. Like, I can get up. And if you can walk, see, touch here, all your elements in alignment and are in good shape. I mean, that's another blessing. And the fact that you can see your loved ones and they're doing well is another blessing. Because there will come a time when your numbers call. Your numbers call, unfortunately.

Yeah. Well, shifting from a shifting to a, I wouldn't say lighter note, but I want to talk about your transition to from the type. to Dallas and how that transition was. Now, did you, was your contract up and you went to Dallas? Were you traded? Were you released? I was released. Talk about that time.

Well, that time was tough because I could see the writing on the wall. I was a little long in the tooth. Age-wise, I was 30, 31 years old. I had a lot of mileage on my body. Of course, they wanted me to take a pay cut. I said, okay, I can do that. but to what extent, you know, to the point where I wasn't going to be protected in terms of, well, if they could, they wanted to cut me in the middle of the season or during preseason,

they could do that with no repercussions. So I just wanted a little more reassurance that what you say was you were going to do is you going to do. You want to allow me to come in, get my body right, come back, and, you know, just, I'm a veteran at this time, just let me ride out hard. I still want to be able to get the opportunities. That's what I wanted to do. But they had plans of making me the second down guy,

only limiting me to a certain amount of plays. And that's fine. But in terms of the dollar value, I had to protect that. And we just never could see eye on that. So I said, okay, Bill Parcell, she does well with veterans. It could be a resurgence there. They have a talented roster. They had Keishon Johnson, Terry Glenn, Vinnie Testifurdy was the quarterback.

They had a nice offensive line, a defense that was young but nasty. And I had visions of being that back that O.J. Anderson was for him at the New York Giants. And so I took a chance. So this is going to be real quick. That transition was the absolute worst. Okay. Was it bad outing with Tennessee? Was there a bitter taste in your mouth leaving Tennessee?

It was because I played them on a Monday night game in the preseason, and our fans traveled down to the game. And on our sideline, there were like 27, number 27 jerseys crossed out. Are you this when you're on Dallas? When I'm on Dallas. And that was hurtful because I'm like, damn, I help. build that brand to what it was and now I'm in a Dallas uniform and only God knows what's going to happen now is I have no idea how this whole thing's going to shake out and that's that's

so it was a bad breakup between you Tennessee fans and you oh it was it was a bad breakup oh man it was not it was not the storybook ending that I hope for and hoping to go to Dallas to kind of alleviate the pain but it only just compounded the pain you know it just really spread because I saw that I was going to have another opportunity to play football again. And that was it. Now, did you know transitioning to Dallas that, hey, this could possibly be my last year in the NFL? I knew it was going to be my last year. With Dallas or with Tennessee, one or the other, I wasn't quite sure.

I mean, granted, I had a thousand yards coming off a thousand yards season. Right, yeah. So I don't know if the production was justified to see. say, you know, we need to, he hasn't have it anymore. But when I went to Dallas, I kind of felt my heart that my love for the game was not the same.

And the guys in locker room was different. And I couldn't play for a paycheck. Just couldn't do it. It wasn't going to play just to get, to say I got a rank somewhere and had nothing to do with it. So it was time for me to move

on to something different. Yeah, that's always it's always tough. man, you know, going to different locker, going to a different locker, especially in your situation, like, you know, doing what you did for the state of Tennessee. And when you mentioned the whole, it's hard to play for a paycheck, like being, like when you play football, dude, there's got a, there's, there's a level of commitment no matter, no matter what. And the way it sounded like from Coach Fisher and then the way you alluded to during high school and college and everything like that, the work ethic that you put into it, it's just when

you lose a little bit of that passion, it just be, it's, you just, you just, you just, you, just see it differently. Yeah. You just see it differently. Like it's just, you start looking like just in other directions for different things. And, um, like when you lose that passion of playing ball and like wanting to like, you know, put your face and everything. And then that kind of just goes away. It's just, it's different. It's harder to play for that paycheck. It really is. It really is. It's like, why am I doing this? And then you start thinking, I'm wearing a number. I'm wearing a number on my, my back right now. And I'm 30-something years old. It's a young man's game. So what's the next game? If I'm wearing a number on my back and I've gotten paid fairly

well in my career, what is the guy that's writing the paycheck? What is he worth? How does he make his money? How to get to where he wanted to be? That's the next step. Right. You know, I want to be the check writer. Yeah. Versus having someone dictate my future. So that's around that time, that's when I began to start reading business books, reading books on corporations, reading books on great leaders like Jack Welch, you know, GE and good to great, you know, at that particular time. Just just delving into different owners in terms of how they conducted their business. Say what you want about Jerry Jones. The man is a beast, man. I mean, yeah.

Period. a lot of respect and I love Jerry Jones. He's an entrepreneur. He gets it. He understands marketing. He understands how to leverage his brand. I mean, damn, Dallas is, I think, the wealthiest team in all of sports.

Oh, yeah. And it hadn't won a championship since 1992. I mean, that says a lot. 97, 96, I think. Was it 96? I think 96. You're right. She's been probably. Thank you for that. It was the 96th, right? It came out 96. So,

You know, he understands that. And I have a great deal of respect for a guy like that. You know, he gave me an opportunity to come play for him. But I just saw something different in terms of how you run different businesses from a different perspective. You know, Bud did it his way, but certainly Jerry Jones did it his way. So that's those are the things that inspired me. My ending inspired me to jump into business, into entertainment, into entrepreneurship, and to education.

And it was, you know, everything happens for a reason. Right, right. Now, I came across, I came across an article where you talk about some of the challenges you had transitioning and retiring going through that, going from, you know, I've talking, I've had conversations with, I mean, multiple guys, you know, you probably were the same way, but you sit there and you're, you know, you're in steam rooms or hot tub, cold tub, and you're just kind of talking about next chapters and stuff like that. You're just thinking, man, it's like you go through, I tell, I try to tell young guys and guys, like, I've went through, I was 23 when I came into the league.

So, you know, however long I worked to get to the league at 23 years old. Now I'm sitting here at 30 going on 31, but, you know, I'm on the back nine of my career. But let's say my career was over. I worked until I was 23 years old to play a seven-year career. Now, granted, it's the dream that we always wanted and we were after. our entire like mindset and life and identity all the way up until now you're trying to figure out what's going to be that next roller coaster like the highs and lows of a roller coaster like what's going to be that next like adrenaline dump because that's what we get we go we go to that

we play d1 ball you were a heisman winner you're rookie of the year you're i mean you made tennessee in what it is that close to a super bowl you were the man like you're you were you were You were Eddie George, Tennessee Titan. And then you got to go into this chapter of retirement when say, hey, the treads wearing off. Like, once you figure out you're a commodity, it's a hard pill to swallow that the tires are just wearing. And, hey, we're going to have to get a new vehicle in here. The number one you're back. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Can you talk about some of those stressful times when you right after retirement and figuring out that next step? Yeah. It was a difficult one. exciting but difficult. It was more about finding your next passion

or finding the next purpose in your life. You realize that football is a platform, not your purpose. Whether you've achieved great things like the Hall of Fame, a pro bowler, all pro, or just simply played for

seven years. It's just still a platform. It's what you do with it. And identifying your purpose with it. that thereafter. So it felt like I was in the twilight zone when I first retired. Dealt with migraine headaches because of stress dealt with anxiety, couldn't sleep at night in a gut full of butterflies, not wondering, wondering what's going to happen the next day, was not happy at all in my life at the particular time. My wife was pregnant. So all those things were just very difficult

to try to make it all makes sense. Like damn, what did I just go through? How did I get to this point? What do I do now? But fuck, who am I? You know, for so many years, I nurtured, cultivated, perfected my craft as a running back,

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when we get to work then it's training camp how am i how's my body going to look how am i going to feel going into training camp then it's about maintaining not losing much you know having to excel it training camp not get injured and then from then on it's it's it's week to week what's the mission every week and now when the mission's kind of like yo what's i don't have to wake up the next day and go in the team that's the beautiful part right right then it's like well once it settles in it's like, it wasn't the, then the next season happens and you're starting to like watch and you're like, yo, what, what am I trying to figure out? Yeah. Yeah. So that all of that played a part into it. So I, um, I went to different avenues. I relied on my education. I, uh, got into acting.

I started to study acting. You're on Broadway, right? Yeah, went on Broadway. But I started, I did work here. I was doing Shakespeare here in town. Um, Julius Caesar, Othello. Um, did a few dramatic plays, a streetcar named Desire, a whipping man, all of that with a rep. And that enabled me to really find my artistic voice, find my true authentic voice as in person, as a man, learning how to write, learning how to express myself, but it was cathartic for me to release all of that.

It was healing. It was therapeutic. Yeah. It's not therapy, but it's therapeutic for me to go through all of that. and to express it and to really identify with what just happened and to make sense out of it and use it for my next purpose, use it in my speeches, using it in my business, use it in a way to communicate and on so many different levels through film, through theater. And I've been blessed to the point where I did perform on Broadway in 2016.

Yeah, that's awesome. You know, and I'm doing things on front of the camera as an actor. was NCIS, LA and the ballers and all of this. And it just leads itself to new opportunities of self-expression. And the same adrenaline that I've gotten on the field are getting in theater because it's live, is visceral. It's a team. It's telling a story and imaginary circumstances. You have to rely on the other actors to help you and you help them.

So it's all of that. And to do that night after night on a Broadway stage, and I've done the Chicago. in New York, in Chicago, in Toronto, all over the country, pretty much L.A. And that was just an awesome experience. It's like being in a locker room again. Yeah. You know, from that perspective. And it was a wonderful experience.

It continues to grow and develop in my life in so many different aspects now. It's that experience of being on stage and being vulnerable. Yeah. You know. How'd you find acting? acting found me actually i wanted to be able to be a better communicator i wanted to um i'm like i get over when i get into something i study it i do cross training with it i do all types of stuff to be best at it and when i got into commentating that's what i wanted to do i wanted to be a

a more better communicator and a storyteller and just have different tools to to rely on. So I said, let me get into acting. And because I was still getting parts and opportunities to do that. But it wasn't until I jumped on stage that I really felt the bug for it. Like, ooh, this is different. Yeah. I mean, literally going on stage for the first time is like stripping down, you know, naked and then walking out there. Hey, I, yeah. I bet, dude. I mean, how nervous were you before the first time you go? go out on stage. My first time on stage

he was extremely nervous. I'm pacing back and forth and you can't react like I can't make somebody miss or run somebody over. You got to stick to the script. Yeah. And I completely went blank.

I saw the bright lights, felt the heat, got stage fright, and it was all over. It started making up shit on the spot and got through it. But I said, you know what?

I that was such a a rush for me and I was not going to be defined or defeated by that I'm going to go perfect it and that's what I did you know that's awesome do you feel like you took the disciplines and the everything you learn from ball and you're like you're like you're just going to maneuver it and put it into different verbiage and the same type of practices and without a doubt energy and effort into this the same work ethic that I applied to my craft and football. ball, I put it into acting, the same exact thing. I took voice lessons. Yeah. You know, singing lessons to help my speaking voice. But my coach, my acting coach, Anna Rhea Franzella, who's no longer with us, said, you can sing. And I'm like, woman, please, just. You're like, yeah, I know I can't in the car in the shower, but I don't know about out loud.

Right. Right. Yeah. And the great thing is that always that I could play the role of Billy Flynn. And those are some of the songs that we practiced with. it. And when the opportunity presented itself for me to audition, I was ready for that. And I never forget it was in 2015, 14. It was 15. No, it was 14. No, it was 14. Excuse me. 2014, the going this November, when I was asked to audition. And I said, well, they asked me if I could sing. I was like,

hell yeah, I can sing. I was like some voice lessons. Yeah. And, um, I was, um, I was asked, I was and I'm like, oh shit, I got to figure this out. I never sang out loud away from a track before, but we want to figure it out. It's going to be a great story one way or the other. So I get my fedora, get a nice, beautiful black suit with the damn tie and the stripes, everything else. I said, I'm going to go in as Billy Flynn. Go up to New York and Bastard Theater on 39th and Broadway.

And I walk in the bowels of the theater, and immediately I'm intimidated. because I'm thinking to myself some great actors that performed on the stage. I've played in some great venues, you know, Baltimore, Oakland, the big house, all of them.

But this one, this little theater, was intimidating to me. So I go on on the stage, some of the dancers are in there, some of the other actors are just getting ready for the nice performance. And I'm just doing the audition.

The piano player does very professional, warms up. doing the scales and I'm just standing there like okay when we're going to start he says okay mr. George I'm going to start from the top all I care about is love with key are you in I was like that's I haven't what key

you know the key to life like what what type of key like let's figure it out I don't know yeah so we go through the scales find my key then we go and do all I care about is love cracking notes everywhere but I'm going all out and having a ball having a blast I go through all my sides with the acting coach, and I'm doing it, and I'm just having fun,

just being Billy Flynn, losing myself, and the theater is empty, and it's dark lit, and his lights are up there. And then I go through this for about 30 minutes, and then I hear this clapping, and I hear this, oh, my God, that was amazing. It was Barry Weissly, the lead producer for the show. He says, let's do it.

Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. this come, let's do it on Broadway. My people will get in touch with your people. And I'm like, oh, my God. You know, you're right. I was hype. But he said, my people will be in touch with your people.

His people did not get in touch with my people until a year later. So I thought that he, after watching, he probably said, hey, baby, we made it. Yeah. Yeah, they had to hurt anything. They got a call. Hey, they called? No, not yet. I think it's, you know.

Right. So I'm thinking, he said, all right, he's going to get me to hell out the theater. So, okay, this guy was terrible to say something nice and get him out of here. But I did it, man, in 2016 and been doing their shows up until COVID last year. And it's been a wonderful experience. Bro, that's awesome. Yeah, man. That's awesome.

And you also say you have a financial business. Yes. Can you talk about that? Yeah, during the time I was getting ready for Broadway. I was going to say, because you opened this up a little bit back, didn't you? Yeah, it was right around the same time. So I do my audition. And of course, like anything else, I went and got my master's in business.

Yeah, hey, that's awesome too. Northwestern. That's fucking big time. Yeah, that was a wonderful experience, 2009. So I was looking for the bones of a business that I could grow. Something I was passionate about recurring revenue had the potential to really for growth that can take it to scale. I had started my own landscape architecture firm back then.

And that's why it inspired me to go to learn more about business. And to say the least, that wasn't where my passion was. It was more entrepreneurial. So what wasn't where your passion was? In terms of landscape architecture. That was my original business. Then you realize you're kind of just falling in love with the whole creation vision of everything. Building an actual business.

I had visions of building a billion dollar company. that's what my goal is. But it just wasn't there. I'll leave it there. So I decided that I needed to find something different that I was passionate about that I knew. And finances was something that kind of resonated with me in terms of helping young men like other athletes avoid the pitfalls that I've seen others fall into and what I've already been through from bad business dealings to financial advisors. to the agents and so forth, teach the curriculum, which I did at Ohio State, and, you know, guide their financial future while building my assets under management. So while I was studying for the rule of Billy Flynn, I was studying to get my Series 7 at the same time.

Okay. And I remember having the choice, I was like, damn, I was like, damn, how am I going to get ready for the go on Broadway? to perform on the Broadway stage, but also I'm getting in the middle of getting my series seven. And granted, I already invested my time into getting my 66, 65, all that stuff. And I said, I had to make a decision on what I want to do. Until I thought to myself, I said, well, shit, let me do both. And that's exactly what I did.

I would study for my series seven in the morning, take tests. Afternoon, I would go and study. with my acting coach, songs and script. Come right back that night, do another test or two, go to bed and do that for four months straight. Because I was determined to turn my platform

into education, entrepreneurship, and entertainment. And I can do all them simultaneously. And that's what it is. So I've developed my wealth management business, Edward George's wealth management group. I have two other partners. I focus on high network

individuals, a few athletes, foundations. work with specialty groups in terms of maintaining and preserving their wealth through different platforms, independent firm. And I'm also, again, teaching young athletes that are aspiring to be in our position one day the case studies on what to look out for in terms of bad business dealings and bad advisors and how to vet out a financial advisor, how much you pay your financial advisor if you if you pay him exactly and how does that happen? What he says in the beginning, yeah.

Right. You know what I'm saying? After all hidden cost fees, all that stuff. Exactly. So what is, how do you, how do you pay? How does he get paid through commission? He gets paid through as a rap fee. But what's that rap fee and all?

What does he have you in? Where's your 401K going? Do you have insurance? Oh, how can you use your insurance? You know what I'm saying? You can use, there are certain benefits you can use for your insurance as a bank. I mean, just little things that, can help you put the athlete in the seat of power versus lending their power over to somebody

that says they have their best interests of mind. And the only thing that you have that you can rely on is the trust factor. Right. He's going to do the right thing and how it's struck. So all of those things. And those dudes when you're sitting across from at a table when you were a young cat, they got the whole script that kind of, you know, the script, the background. Yeah, they got it all to where you're just like, oh, this makes sense for me as an athlete. And then they say, you know, like, guys are vocal that hey I'm always vocal I'm like hey it's a fact that 70 to 80 percent of guys go bankrupt within five years of playing in the NFL from that 30 for 30 like hey all of us hey boys all of us in here I'll be in the locker room hey all of us in here ain't making it after five years right and you know because you see guys come in with new chains you do all this do all that you know that's that's awesome that you started I had no idea yeah do you um are you pretty are you pretty engaged with like Does the PA reach out to you? Like, are you engaged with the players?

Well, I'm accused. You're able to, you know, educate kids. Yeah. Well, I've been teaching. Well, I was teaching at Ohio State for the last five years, the business of professional sports. And I brought in somebody from the, the, that makes up the entire business. Front office, GM, agent, financial advisor, NFLPA, someone from the league offices. And they talk about their functions.

You talk about our job descriptions, what they do, how they look at athletes, how they look at the sport. So you can get a well-rounded view of how we are a commodity and not necessarily a person. And then you begin to see how easy, if you do things right, how easy it is to go financially broke. Right. You know what I'm saying? You had a quote that resonated with me. I heard you on a podcast. It was you helped me out.

It's like something about gross and net. You live by the gross. You'll die by the net. That's what it is. Yeah. Live by the gross, you'll die by the net. Yeah. So if you think that what we see on television in terms of free agent signing a $100 million deal.

Yeah, the ticker that come across. Is it really $100 million? No. Exactly. We know that, right? Yeah. So it's pulling, you know, the smoking mirrors behind. And it's a significant amount of money.

But understanding the tax bracket you're going into, Uncle Sam's going to get his cut. Right. your agent gets his. And it's still a good nut. But is it a good, is that generational wealth? It's a good start to generation of wealth. If it's handled appropriately. The guy that cut the check, that's generational wealth.

You know what I'm saying? So there's a difference. So I wanted people, I wanted others outside the business or even kids that are getting into the business to realize that I'm just starting with this. the end goal is not now now is not the time to buy a Lamborghini and five houses across the country for my mom and dad thinking that I have a hundred million dollars

now you don't you probably got 25 of that but guess what if you keep spending 10 it chunks into that and you realize that your nest egg that you have is down next to nothing when you retire you're better off you know starting small

rent the first couple of years establish your investor DNA. Get the right advisors around you. You don't have to hit for home runs. You know, manufacture your runs. Base hits every day. Find something that's going to bring you a safety net. You want to have something that's going to preserve your wealth

and something that's going to generate your wealth. Those three buckets. And how are you going to do that? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's the philosophy. So don't feel like you have to go be the lead investor for a real estate project,

you're the bank guy. They've been depending on you to fund their dream. That's where you go wrong. And I've seen it time and time again with athletes that I played with, played against how we get sucked into that because we just don't know. You don't know who the trust.

Guys just don't know. And you use the example of a $100 million, a $100 million guy like those guys, that's the 1% of the 1% in the NFL. Yeah. Majority of guys are, you know, journeymen like myself, or they're making, you know,

those smaller contracts throughout their career, but you still have those same, um, those, those same distractions off of the field. Right. Because they think you're the, you know,

everybody's the same way, hey, once you're in the NFL, you're, hey, once you got the shield on you, there's a target on you. Right. So it doesn't matter if you're making the hundred million or you're making

the minimum. Like everyone thinks like, oh, you made it, you're rich, you're that. Right. And it's just,

it's not, it's not the case. Right. And, uh, how do you go, about when guys want to sit you down or pick your brain or you go and speak, how do you speak to those guys in a way that like a fundamental change can happen or a shift can happen for somebody?

Well, I just try to be authentic and tell them the truth. Be as transparent as I can be based up with my experience. My first... What's your worst experience that you can teach somebody to where you're like, hey, this is what happened with me? When I first got into the NFL, when I first signed the dotted line and get my check, It's my signing bonus. And my agent pulls me aside, tells me that the guy that I chose is my financial advisor is hearing bad things about him.

And I shouldn't put my money with them. Long story short, I tell my mom to take the money and go to Philadelphia, put it in the bank. Let's see what happens. Two days later, I get the phone call from the FBI saying, or from the bank saying that they, this gentleman tried to pull money out of the account. Well, no money was there. Thank God. Because he was caught going to South America for embezzlement and running a Ponzi scheme. No shit.

No shit. First time out. So immediately out the gate, this guy was a smooth talker, had everybody on his list, you know, from entertainers, different athletes. It was a boutique setup, a shop. I remember him trying to get me to sign a power attorney so he could legally move the money. You see what I'm saying? Damn, yeah. So he got me alone, but I've never signed it.

So those are the things that I just recall, and it's a bunch of others. And they come in different shape, sizes, the Iagoes of the world I call them, you know, in terms of Shakespeare. The Iagoes, they appear to be your friend, but they have a different ulterior motive behind you. You know, incentives drive behavior. It always does. So if somebody is around you, question, why are they around you? Why are they catering to you? What is their ulterior motive?

And if you're leaning on that person for information or to be the business guy, that's not a wise choice. You really need to understand the language, how contractors set up, how LLCs are set up, all of this stuff. So you're not burnt in the end of holding the bag, so to speak. So that's it. Hey, any young cats listening that have aspirations to go to the league that might be in college listening, look up any George's financial firm. Yeah, the Edward George wealth management group. Yeah, what is it? Edward George, well, Edward George.

Okay. That's your first name, Edward. Yes. I love it. What's the ultimate goal? When you say this is kind of something to help propel me to the ultimate goal, what is an ultimate goal of yours that you have in mind? Do you want to own a team one day? No, that's just ancillary.

You've talked about writing a couple checks at times. I mean, my goal, you know what? My goal is to create and build wealthy individuals. And not just in terms of dollar value, but in terms of character, in terms of principles, that's what my calling is at this point in time,

is to develop young people or people to become entrepreneurs, but entrepreneurs with a purpose. and to find their calling, you know, in this life. Yeah. That's what's driving me now. And that's done through my entrepreneurship, aspirations in wealth management and through insurance platforms to help others, again,

achieve entrepreneurship to help their lives and the lives of others. Right. like generational stuff. It sounds like some mentorship as well. Exactly. Exactly.

Not just, you know, you make money, they make money. Exactly. It's got to have money. There's like a more genuine purpose behind it.

Exactly. Working one on one with the individual. Understanding that whoever's under you, they're part of like a, this fraternity or family. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

So that's what I'm creating. And a byproduct of that will lead to, to wealth. Right. And, but that's not the end goal. Right. But.

if I'm in a position to be to be an owner one day, you're damn right. Hey, everything happens for a reason. That's right. You know, so I finished our team left with that one yard shirt. I'm going to hold up a Lombardi trophy one day. I am going to hold one up. Hey, you're hearing it.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, he's going to own a squad one day. He's going to do something. Yeah, yeah. You can be a linebacker coach. Hey, there we go. I see, I don't know. I kind of want to, you got me motivated now to,

you're going to be right me checks if I'm the linebacker coach I was waiting to see I was going to say I'm going to say I'm going to be I'm going to be the president I'm going to nah I'm going to do something so that's what my goals are man

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a nice job of of keeping everything at bay um of the protocols are tight no one can come into the facility i mean we hadn't heard any cases of of guys catching anything that's been great now it's a question of when they begin to travel how that's going to operate right right once they step up a plane go to another hotel so assuming let's just assume the best okay we're optimistic here they i like i like the makeup of the team i like the chemistry i like the fact that they play for each other there's genuine love there they have an identity uh defensively um i want to see what vic brisley is the vic busley right you I want to see what he brings to the table from the past. I think they need a premier pass rusher, and I thought that going into last season. They needed somebody that can disrupt the quarterback with just getting a four-man rush.

Of course, Derek Henry is Derek Henry. I like the new kid from Appalachian State, the running back. Oh, yeah. Evans. Yep. He's going to be a utility guy that they can rely on the return game And also as a third down guy in Tandy Hill, I am curious to see if he can now take over games. You know, it's one thing to manage a game and handle 22 and let your line lean on the team.

Now when they line up, okay, nine in the box. And we've seen it last year. Right. Nine in the box. We're committed now to stopping Derek Kent. He cannot beat us. How was Tandy Hill going to do it? Right.

You know, consistently. And I think he can do it. Yeah. He's put the ball there. So saying all of that, they have everything they need. Offensively, Johnny Smith is going to be a superstar. I love the receivers. AJ Brown is going to be a superstar.

So they have levels to their offense that they're multi-dimensional. And it's going to be tough to compete with that. And Mike Vrable is a phenomenal. You play with him in Ohio State, right? What was the year for separation there? This one year. Oh, so I saw him in practice. He was he like as a teammate.

He was an asshole. Hey, I bet, man. That motherfucker is an asshole. He is an asshole. Yeah. But an asshole you love. Right. And when he's on your squad, that's the asshole that you want.

Right, right. Because he's going to knock you in the mouth and talk about you and do everything you need to. He's going to tell you just exactly how he feels. You know, Mike was a damn freshman calling out upperclassman. You're not, you're not, you're not touched. the line, you know, our sprints, or you're going halfway. I mean, he'll call your ass

out. That's how he operates. He is now. He's there, too, because he's the same person. He's still trying to hit somebody in the mouth. He loves it. Even as a coach. He loves, the contact. He loves teaching. He loves mentoring. He loves to create a winning product. So

you throw all that into the mix, and what Amy Adams is doing and John Robinson, what they're doing, And they're on the road to some great, some great things. I think so, too. What's been your favorite off-season move? Obviously, they've brought a lot of pieces back. The draft, free agency, their own guys.

Which one's been your favorite move? Well, it's tough to say my favorite right now because... We're going to need a favorite. We're going to need a pre-season favorite. Well, here's the thing is I haven't seen them yet. And I think the draft choice out of Georgia. Georgia, Wilson, Isaiah Wilson. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Hey, he's a big motherfucker, dude. Oh, he's a problem. Yes. He's a problem in the trenches. And you throw in now, Derek's got some help there. Another maller in between the tackles. Oh, my God. It's going to be nasty in there, man.

Hey, I was surprised you said that move. I figured you would have said D. Henry getting this. We knew that's what happened. Yeah, but did you know that the whole time? when it was getting closer like, hey, it's still going to happen? Maybe per source. You might have knew, you might have known per source. No, you never know in this business, but they would have been foolish

not to do it. And you know, they found the win-win. They were going to figure it out. You know, the Titans like to operate right close to the edge. Yeah. Put time and pressure on the athlete. Right. You know what I mean? They don't want to, they want to get

the most out of it. They want to The order of the negotiation. The art of negotiation. And they want an organizational friendly deal. And that's, you know, I think they found the win-win there. Yeah. So I figured that they had to get Derek signed. They were going to get him signed.

And it was a four-year deal. Yes. Turns out probably could be a three-year somewhere around there, see where he's at. I would say the first two are pretty guaranteed. Yeah. And that third year is kind of iffy. Yeah.

The funny money comes in the play. Yeah. So it guarantees about $19, $21 million or something like that. Something like that, yeah. So, yeah, I think it's a win-win. Yeah. Who would you say is your favorite player on the Titans? Wow.

I want to say mine is turning into A.J. Brown. That's what mine's turned into. Delaney Walker, when I was on the team, I loved Delaney. I love being around Delaney. He was kind of just my favorite. I just always, like, yeah, Delaney's my favorite player. And now I think mine is becoming AJ Brown. We've had him on the pod.

Yeah. I've seen him a couple other times, FaceTime him with Taylor, and he's just. I think he's hilarious, but he's just got that, that young, I don't know, that takes no shit attitude and he's confident. Yeah. He's insanely confident. I love it. And he's a worker. He was like that as, I mean, coming in.

Right. I mean, he was pissed off about something he didn't practice. It was real small. I'm like, oh, it's not even. Take it easy, man. You got time. Yeah. But that said, he was, he was, he was, he was a.

was a man. And the fact that he called your boy Taylor out. I know. They were talking about it on here, too, I know, yeah. Again, a rookie. That's what I'm saying. Calling out, not just the big dog on the offensive line. The richest, the highest paid player on the Titans. Right.

Yo. And still talking about it when he's on the pie, like, yeah, you know, you was on some shit. Hey, I love it. I love it. I love it. The only thing I didn't like caring about him is that he was one of those rookies who he was too prideful to do rookie stuff. See,

but he had that kind of that asshole mentality. It's like, hey, man, it's this part of the deal. How do you feel about that stuff? You got to, you got to pay your dues. Yeah.

You got to pay your dues. And the fact that, that he had success last year, like, ah, you can. I know, kind of defeats it a little bit,

but, you know, he'll beat that veteran. He is that veteran now. I know. It's quickly becoming a vet. That, that he wish,

like, you know, you got to follow a, protocol on that young hot rookie's going to come in there and and show him out. But I like A.J. Brown. I think he's got tremendous upside. I like him as a person. But I do like, I like Johnny Smith, though.

I think he has a chance to be really good. Really? Yeah. You don't think so? No, I think so. I'm big Johnny Smith guy. Oh, my God. Hearing somebody else say that, call him a superstar and give him respect like that.

It's kind of a new thing that I feel like is going to come in the future. But why do you think so? When I saw him dot the eye and take a tall sweep down the right side line for several 70-something yards, I'm like, what? Like, yo, throw him back there, let him get some tokes with Derek. Let him split that. Man, the dudes got skills, man. Yeah. And for a tight-in, I mean, that is remarkable.

Athletic, fast, hands, attitude, all of these. He's got the build. I mean, I like, I like him moving forward. I really like his style. I like what he brings to the offense. He makes them multi-dimensional now in the middle of the field. Right. Because if you control the middle of the field, it opens up everything.

With a tight end that can stretch it, they can do it all. It opens up the outside. It certainly is going to present problems for a defense down. Like, okay, we really can't stack the box like this because we got a tight end. They can go vertical on you. we got a receiver that's ridiculous and easy bra so they've got some options they've got some weapons they have some studs man and you know another another thing that will play in their favor

is knowing that arthur smith is back and they kind of have the same offense yep you know brave obviously still there but they get to be in the system again after going to an afc championship i think like that's going to benefit them because people with new head coaches younger team stuff like that like especially in times like this you just don't know how the years are going to play out I think they can come and not miss a beat as much as any team out there. Yeah, and the fact that nationally, everybody's, of course, Kansas City. But when you're talking about the South, it's got to be Tennessee. But they're still talking about the Colts and this and then.

I'm like, all right. Houston. Yeah, Houston, too. I mean, they, they are, they're an interesting group. I just don't think, I don't think they have the discipline. I think they like the discipline. You know, we talk about, when you look at teams, you start, talent is always, every team in the league is talented.

But you start looking at the makeup of a team, the character of the team, the little things that will separate you from being just good, average, and the greatest teams are the ones that can self-discipline in their locker rooms, who their leaders are. And I don't know if Houston has that. I know Deshawn Watts is a grown man, but outside of him, who else is there? You know, I know J.J. Watt, but is it, I don't know about their locker room. If they're that team that's going to take over the South and be there consistently.

Yeah, that makes sense. Hey, your boy, speaking of generational and writing checks, Patrick Mahomes now, he got that big deal. Now he's a little part owner and the Royal. I tell you what, man. Yeah, that's a move you like to see as an athlete. Yeah, I'm super. We're happy for him, man. I saw him at Tahoe.

I was playing in the golf tournament, the American Century Championship. And I'm warming up. You know, I'm out there two hours beforehand. I'm trying to get myself. You're good? And you saw it at golf? No.

You're not. Hey, I'm out there two hours beforehand. That's why I was out there. So Patrick Mahomes comes up. It's really, you know, this laid, back and just kind of open and he's just like all over the place and he's just like hey hey we know free no free willie you know whatever and he goes up and I'm like his first decision first time playing

so yeah he has first time playing here but you know man I'm out here having a ball blah blah blah puts the pin and and the golf ball on top he's on his driver pow hits one and kind of like a stinger or whatever I'm like this dude's gonna he's gonna stink up the spot he's like he can't play Yeah. He gets on the course, man. And he is in the middle. I mean, he's in the mix. Eagle here, birdie there, par here.

I'm like, oh, my God. He's loving life. I said, man, that's a guy that just signed a $100 million contract. Yeah, 500 million dollars. Half a B. Feeling good about life. I'm like, can care less where the ball goes. Could care less.

That's a guy with no stress right now. No, sure. Hey, he's such a great player, man. Such a exceptional player. Dude, he is, man. He just seems like he has fun, too. There it is. And just competes his ass off when you're out there.

He does. Look at that stroke right there. Look at that. Look at that. You see what I'm saying? That's 500 million right, dude. That's 500 billion to look good. He's out there.

That's what that looks like. Look at that. Look at that. Look at it. He didn't warm up. He only hit a couple balls off the tea. It didn't warm up. That's 500 million of confidence.

Hey, do you see how hype he is, dude? Yeah. He was like that, man. I get it, man. The dude is phenomenal. Dude is phenomenal. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Like, when Houston went up on him, like, what was it, three scores or whatever? Yeah. And you just knew that, hey, they're not out of it. Because once he does, starts doing that, flexing after a touchdown, you're just like, oh, shit. Hey, Mahomes is about to turn it up. And they did it not once.

But the entire playoffs. Right. That's what makes them deadly. When you have a team. team that can come back from adversity like that and fight through it. And they beat Houston by what, by 21, right? Yeah. They laid it on them.

Houston did it. They beat him by 21, down by 24 and beat him by 21. Oh, my God. That was remarkable to me. Yeah. Yeah. And then you got the leadership of him and then Honeybadger on the other side. Like you allude to leadership and things like that.

Like, you know, obviously they got it on both sides. Right. Also, your relationship with Derek, I know a lot of people talk about your guys' relationship, your friendship, your mentorship, how you mentor him. How did that come about and transpire? Was it during the, when did all of that take place? And how are you guys to the point where you're at now? Yeah, when he won the Heisman trophy. I was there when he wanted.

I was at his banquet. He had a chance to talk. Got to know him a little bit. And Derek, you know, can be a little aloof, you know, when you first meet him and I talk a whole lot, kind of quiet shot. She is. Yeah. Always got that fashion on him. Oh, that's why it throws you off.

You feel like he's going to have some personality that's, you know, what's this guy, you know, but he's kind of quiet to himself. And you're like, I like, it's not like his style. You know, it was like, okay, I compliment you on, I'm going to sneak your head. I get it. I like the fact. I mean, so we, we had stories. I think, you know, going to, we had a commercial together with the Heisman house. And we really had a chance to sit and talk on the flight back to L.A.

It's three hours long. And we talked maybe, you know, two hours and 30 minutes of that. And just about everything from Bama to O.Stade and the Titans and contracts and styles of play and so forth. I think he reached out to me when who's the guy that just left running back from New England? that was he was here uh deion lewis deion lewis when deon lewis was brought in this was my year this is the year i was there the marco mori left and the range were going on derrick uh he called me he was like man what do you think about you know deion coming in what are they trying to do blah blah blah i said man you know told him then i said just focus on yourself you determine how much they use

him you determine that what they want to see from you It's not you hit the home run. You can do that. You demonstrated that. But what you do in between the tackles consistently, how you control the game consistently with the five-yard hard runs, the four-yard, and I'm telling you the big runs are going to happen. If you impose your will, if you seek out contact,

if you seek out to deliver punishment, those defensive backs will get out of the way they don't want to see it for four quarters. And you'll see the turnaround. round. So I guess he took that. And then, you know, he was pressing a little bit to beginning of the season. You guys go over to San Diego, play San Diego at the time, was the Chargers in England, in London. And it was a play, I want to say, in the second quarter where it was Maryweather, a linebacker who was like maybe five, ten. Look this up for me. How big is Maryweather?

He's not the biggest back. It has a lot of pop. Yeah. But not the biggest linebacker. Right. Perryman. Perryman. Perryman.

And I said, damn, you know, he elected to go off tackle. He could have squared him up to half his body. Maybe got three or four more yards and whatever. But he made a move. It made it easy for him to tackle him. And I remember sitting next to Keith Bullock. I said, you see, man, that he's too big to be running like the way he is. He's trying to hit the home run.

He's pressing. He's not having fun. He's not imposing himself as will. And I think the whole thing with Dion and splitting time and not getting carries and all that was just messing with his head. And it wasn't shortly thereafter. We had the conversation after that trip when he called me on the phone. I believe it was a Sunday night during the biweek. And that's when we had the heart to heart.

And shit. The rest is literally history. He's had some, yeah. Yo, he had these monster runs, man. I mean, he's... Monster runs, bro. Yeah, he's emerged as a leader of the team. I mean, he's emerged as a vocal leader.

And that's... And they ride with him. You can see it. You can feel that they feed off of his energy. Oh, yeah. They definitely... They're definitely all jelling. They're definitely all meshing.

I know the old line. Derek. all of them. They like that kind of nasty attitude of knowing that they can, you know, probably like yourself back in the day. Like, hey, we're going to run the ball. We want to run the ball 30 times. But yeah, man. Hey, I appreciate you.

This thing's almost been two hours. You're almost one of the longest. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. So am I boring, huh? No, no. This is, hey, this is he.

Hey, we got a bunch of times. Anybody got any questions for Eddie? Hey, don't just hold your breath now. I got one. If Sunskills wanted to make you a linebacker, right, coming out of high school? Oh, yeah, a couple, a few of them. If everybody wanted you to be a running back, would you have chose differently? That's a great question.

That's from my pops. If Penn State had said, yes, they wanted to play running back. I would have been a Nidley line. That was my dream. I went to a football camp as a kid. And they just didn't offer you. They offered me. It was too late.

But it was to play linebacker. I went up there on an unofficial visit when they played in Order Dame. They played against Jerome Bettis and Ricky Waters, that group. And they beat them, and I go in a locker room. And I'm like, in all, I'm like, damn, that's Joe Paul. Like, that's Joe Paterno right there, my hero.

I'm standing in the hallway, and I got on this goose with the fur around the hood and my skull cap. and he looks at me, looks me up and down, and he goes off to the side, and he calls Frank Gantor, the running back coach over, and he whispers, looks back, and then Fran comes over, say, hey, Eddie, yeah, yeah, yeah, remember you when you're in football camp, man, you've grown out, my guy, where are you?

I said, I'm at Fort View Military Academy, and my heart's like this. I'm like, oh, my God, they're going to ask me to come to be a dittly line. He says, well, Monday, we're going to give you a call. we're going to come down and come see. So I go back to forking, couldn't sleep the night of, like, toss and turning. Lo and behold, I get a message, Tom Bradley, who recruits in the area, wants to talk to you. So I call on, like, hey, coach, how you doing? Great win on the beating the Irish and all that.

He says, yeah, well, you want to bring you up for a visit. I said, oh, would that be amazing? He says, well, when can you come up? You set the date or whatever? And I said, well, are you guys looking to recruit me as a linebacker? a running back. There's a long pause. Well, linebacker.

We're thinking about linebacker. We've got some young running backs. We got Keishon John. Let me Keesha, John Carter. We got Stephan Pitts. We got Mike Archie. And we need more, you know, a depth at lineback or hero. And that's my heart sank.

Because my goal was to play running back, period. So that ended that story there. But lo and behold, I didn't know they were independent at the time. did it become the Big Ten and that's when I would go back and play against Penn State for three times, beat them two out of three times. Hey, good question, Alex.

That's my dad, man. Shout out Bill. Shout out the pops. What about Josh, Jack? Come on, Titans fans. I just want to get like a little behind the scenes type thing of you and like Ray Lewis is all y'all's old bouts.

Like just one-on-one, just like the whole crowd, just ooh. Oh, how about that time where you guys, it was on the side? sideline. I mean, it wasn't like a, it wasn't a big game, but you had like slammed him to the ground. You know what I'm talking about. What were you jawing to him on that play? You know, you know, what it was. You know what it was. It was supposed to be, that's the moment, like he all would always say, he knocks me out. That was his time to knock me out of that game. And I just, I don't remember Rabidon. It was a bunch of cuss words. I know that. He was a bunch of MFs, FU,

I'll be back, same play. You know, it was a lot of Joe on back and forth. Yeah, yeah. Hey, y'all did, y'all a lot. Yeah, we would go at it, man. I think that was the playoff game. Yeah, that's just the regular season game.

That was the regular season game. Was he probably one of your favorite defensive players to play against? I wouldn't say favorite, but because, because of he was always there he was more or less by far the greatest linebacker I've ever faced really oh yeah without a doubt because he's smart

instinctive and if you're not careful he'll knock the shit out of you yeah you know he was that dude now I mean hell he's got a clip being on kickoff return and almost killing a man on a on a back block basically yeah You know what plan I'm talking about?

He, like, told the dude to come out of the end zone. Yeah. He's like, hey, no, take it out of the end zone. He was on kick return. That was when Ed Reed returned it for a touchdown. Right before half, they kicked the field goal and make the field goal. They came out. He told Ed Reed to come out of the end zone.

No, I'm telling you, he had a kickoff return rep. Like, he was on special teams. I swear to God, I don't know why he was, but he was on special teams. Type in, yeah, Ray Lewis kickoff return. do uh he i'm telling you well i don't i don't doubt it because he's that type of player without a doubt we've always had a rival a fierce rival me and him coming out in 1996 man how uh what was the thoughts in your head when he took that when he got that interception and took it to the house well honestly prior to that the field gold it was a field goal that was blocked in return for a

touchdown and that play took the wind out of our sales. Because to get back into, to score on that defense that year was like, damn, it was like me trying to get to the moon. You know, it really, it was very difficult to get in the position to score against this defense. Yeah. I mean, because they were that good.

They ran a four three, Saragusa and Sam Adams in the middle, cover two, beat it. That's it. It was no exotic blitzes. They weren't trying to sugar. Look at him. I mean, it was for grown men only. So once that play happened, it was like, all right, we were out of our element. It hits me now.

You saw the ball get tipped into his hands, right? Yeah. Now, Baltimore fans like to say, he snatched it out of my hands. A guy carried the football, and he ripped it out. And the ball was behind me. definitely be trolling up. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, but you know, that happens, man. That happens.

That's, that's when it all went down. He had six minutes and 40-some odd seconds left. Yeah, that was it. Oh, that was it. That was six minutes to go? Yeah, six 45. 645. Hey, this is a good pod, boys.

Yeah, man. I appreciate you. Hey, man, I appreciate you, man. This is, this was awesome. I enjoyed it, man. And good luck to you, too, brother. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. In all your endeavors, I think this is going to be huge. It already is. Well, it's, I mean, it's not huge yet, but it is growing. Yeah. It is growing. It's going the right direction. Yeah, it's going the right direction. My man. I appreciate you, bro. Oh, Mississippi. Hey, guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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