Bussin' With The Boys - Francis Ellis | Beating Cancel Culture & Finding Comedic Tone At Barstool + NFL Playoff Review

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

Recorded: January 6th 2024 Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sit down with comedian, writer, podcast host, and Barstool personality Francis Ellis. Francis shares his journey through the ups and downs of the comedy world, getting his ass beat, surviving concussions and cancel culture. He discusses his infamous “faking cancer” story, his hilarious encounters sliding into the DMs of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models, and his perspective on resilience. Francis also delves into his history and current relationship with Dave Portnoy and how Dave has helped shape his resurrection in comedy and digital content creation. The Boys also review the quarterfinal results of the CFP, discussing Texas vs. Ohio State, which could be a potential revenge game for Quinn Ewers, and Notre Dame vs. Penn State. With the NFL playoffs locked in, Will and Taylor briefly share their thoughts on the wildcard round matchups and identify the dark horse teams in the AFC and NFC. Big hugs and tiny kisses! Leave a comment with your pick for this year’s Super Bowl winner! TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:12 SPOILER ALERT 2:44 CFB playoff recap 38:11 NFL Playoffs Are Set 58:57 Titans have the #1 pick 1:07:36 FRANCIS ELLIS INTERVIEW STARTS 1:08:40 Welcome To The Bus 1:09:04 Is He Close To Being On Rogan? 1:13:56 Francis’ Concussions 1:30:15 Time On Surviving Barstool 1:44:17 Barstool Most Dangerous Game 1:47:30 His WILD Story Getting Into The Barstool World 2:12:24 Francis DM’d An SI Swimsuit Model 2:25:21 Getting Fired From Barstool 2:44:41 Coming Back To Barstool And The Differences He Saw 2:48:58 Ohio’s Tate vs Kelly Keegs Beef 2:53:47 Francis' Blogged About The Boys 2:55:56 Francis New Contract After Surviving Barstool 2:58:01 How Are You Doing, Really? 3:09:31 Dave Portnoy Is ACTUALLY Has A Heart 3:11:48 Las Vegas Bombing 3:21:56 FS1 Drama 3:33:39 Who Is The Strongest At Barstool? 3:41:32 Francis Takes His Health Very Seriously 3:46:57 The Journey Francis Has Been On Is WILD 3:48:16 Emotional Roller Coaster Talking To Portnoy 3:50:55 Twisted QOTW 4:07:18 Will & Francis Hung Out... Without TaylorFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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details gentlemen we have another round of the playoffs going on the wild card playoffs are going to start teams are disappointed we're going to run a plus i'm going to go right to jvee hubby jv before we get into that if you are a bar still surviving fan there is spoilers of tonight's episode so just wanted to put that out there fair fair fair point. As you're listening, there are spoilers of Monday nights episode. So just be cautious in this Francis Ellis episode. Spoiler. Maybe we can do that too in the edit, please. We have some alarm sounding off, just put spoilers around our faces. Before we get into the NFL, is that what we were going to JP for? Yeah, that's what I was, well, I saw JP trying to talk. And I was trying to finish my

thought. And I was going to bring JP in after. Should we go college football? Let's go college first. Yeah. Let's go college first. And for everybody curious that follows along and watches the locker room as well. We will be dropping the college football playoff preview. I had a hard time following yesterday. Tonight on Tuesday, that drops at 6 p.m. And then our NFL playoffs, our wild car weekend, that will drop tomorrow morning on Wednesday at 6 a.m. So that is how we're separating the locker room this week. A lot of awesome games. We got all the best teams. We can talk about all the best teams now. Playoff picture in the NFL sorted out. The national championships on Monday.

Are we going to include that or how are we going to do that? No. The championship's on like January 20. 11th. Yeah. The next weekend. You're right. There's still one more around.

I know it's confusing because there's so many teams out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. All right, yeah. Good talk. Yeah. Do we want to talk about, did we touch on Michigan, Alabama, G? We have not touched on the bowl games.

We did. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Wild series of against ReliQuest Bowl. I'm sure if you tuned in, you probably did unless you're an Alabama or Michigan fan. The first half of that quarter was just fucking.

and crazy. Drunk. Drunk. Raining down. God just raining down a missiles of rain. And what you said, four plays, three turnovers and four plays?

Yeah, they put a stat on the screen that was like, Alabama starting drive starts on their own 25. Michigan's starting drives, opponent's 21st yard line. Yeah.

Just crazy. And it shows how bad Michigan's offense is the entire year because we got the ball in the red zone on three separate occasions based on turnovers and we came away with nine points. So game could have got away in a hurry.

Alabama, a lot of guys sat out. Michigan, a lot of guys sat out, a lot of transfers from Alabama, a lot of transfers from Michigan. So we said we thought that Jalen Millero was going to be the deciding factor in this game, and he was. He was a deciding factor in this game.

He just didn't play well. It was tough for him. My heart goes out to him because you want him to have a great long career. He hurt himself more than helped himself in that situation. Now the positive. The positive is For the out of a season, as Michigan had, you guys ended on the best note of any team in college football.

People, I will made the best three-win team in college football history a couple years ago. And there was an argument to that. There's not an argument. That's a fact. Right. And so now here I go, because I've thought about it a little bit too, and I've actually dug a little deep on teams. I was going to say, do you have the facts?

Five lost teams. Michigan is the only team since 1991 to be unranked. and defeat two top 15 teams consecutive weeks, them and the University of Arizona. So there's a little smidget right there. I'll dive a little deeper in. But you look at our points per game, our points, it's just bad all around,

but just find a way to win, find a way to win, those last two, three weeks. And, dude, I don't want to be that guy, but they started clicking when I spoke to the team. I don't know what I said. They're three and oh. They're three and oh. they've covered the spread

every single time since I've spoke to that team. What did you say to him? Dog, so obviously public speaking is not an issue of mine. A number of babies and memories after this one, boys. Yeah, but I literally got up there

and I basically just told them like, thank you. Thank you for re putting back the culture of Michigan that people look at the teams I played for, we were terrible. So I never got to see what like the culture of Michigan,

the maze and blue, like the Michigan men type of mentality. You guys are that, regardless of what your record reflects. And this don't be present. be present. I think those boys been fucking present.

Been present. So anyway, whatever, shout out Michigan, dude. RIP to the SEC. Your tough loss for Bama, tough loss for South Carolina. It was.

It was not the original showing that the SEC usually does in bowl games. They don't matter now. It's not about not mattering. What's happening now is there's an equalizer between all the other conferences and the SEC. SEC used to pay their players.

Now everybody else can also pay their players. everyone's getting figured out. You watch the way the Husker celebrated the Pinstrypt Bowl and you tell me that that game doesn't matter. Yeah, it matters. Big boy Mowers. I mean, Big boy Mowers.

I mean, just prancing around. You don't think it mattered to Illinois beating a South Carolina gamecox scene. No matter how many guys sat out, you're going to actually in your brain think that that uniform didn't show up excited to play. You saw Shane Beamer ready to fucking throw bows, which I absolutely love.

Love. I love Bielma doing the little taunt thing. I love Shane Beamer just getting chaos. I was like, I love that bowl game. I love watching that bowl game. I was running for South Carolina. Yeah. Beamer taking him down.

No question. But Beamer better be careful because a couple years from now, he might look like Beelma. Hold him back. They look a little too similar. He can put a little that weight on that coaching weight now. He's fit now. He can lose it. How do you look at Shane Beamer's body and think he could turn into Brett Beelma?

I saw him have a little bit of Mike Vrable since 2018. He came in a little stack. Brett Beelma. He was a ooey-goey body after. You know. I'm just saying, word of. Caution, Coach Beamer, keep it tight, brother, because those calories get away from you fast when coaching gets stressful. You see Beelma.

He will never. You see what he's dealing with. He will never have to walk back across the field at the pace that Brett Beelam was walking back. My boy was out of breath just from hitting this one on him. And it took a slow walk back. Ref could have given him a delay a game. And Belema would never. It's just a word of caution.

It's just a word of caution. That being said, though, all these other schools being able to pay now, you see a change. changing at the tide you see it kind of happening go ahead shroom can i ask one question go ahead and this one's the jp why was old miss clowning shame beamer i didn't understand that that's that was juce wells wasn't it so juice wells wells came from south carolina but i thought he had a solid relationship yeah juice is a good kid i know to the show went i don't know what's going on with him bro i mean he went villain mode with that one yeah like shame beamer said something mid year after we beat somebody and was like you know we had some guys they said that they didn't believe

we had a quarterback and they didn't want to play with them. And so we're seeing how that's going right now. So that was like the dig. And then Juice Welles catches like his sixth pass of the year in the bowl game. We would have made Juice Wells a top two round pick. Now he might go undrafted, which is tough for him. Sounds like somebody's getting a sleeper in the draft then. They could be. It depends. He dropped a lot of balls this year. And I want him to do well. A lot of South Carolina fans hate him to the death. But I mean, I want him to do well. Dude, we will get to the draft in a little bit. Obviously, our beloved Tennessee Titans have the first overall pick,

and we live in Nashville, Tennessee. We'll give them a round applause for that. Shout out the Patriots. Shout out the Patriots, taking care of business against the bills yesterday. But, dude, these last playoffs were nuts. I mean, quickly, let's get a moment of silence for the Oregon Ducks. Love you, Dan. Love you, Dan.

That was crazy. That's Michigan's fault. belt to ass I mean they woke up a fucking giant yeah that is wild they are incredible incredible that bankroll

did show up now that freshman bro he's Jeremy Smith bro but listen he's an alien how many times have you seen guys that are freshman phenomes lose draft status

because they get into this like when we watch a lebron james or a patrick mahomes or tom brady and we see them play so well for so long we get like this, we kind of get callous to the idea of how great these guys are and I feel like that window

is so much shorter in college. Like this kid's having an insane freshman season this might be a hot take. If you're so good at a freshman where you're like this kid is the top receiver in this draft class, he's a top 10 pick right now. Why not sit out the next two years?

And just say, fuck it. Two years is a long time. Chase, was it? Jamar Chase did it? For one year. For one year. For one year. But Johnny Mansell, good example.

He goes in, he wins the Heisman as a freshman. Those last couple of years have been, hurts him a little bit. It ends up the 31st picking the draft. Maybe he's not. I think the way Jeremiah Smith is built is like he's built to last. And that dude, I mean, he does not look like an 18-year-old at all. No, he's a man. And the balls he's catching is like it's not going to be like a lack of, yeah.

Like it's not going to be a lack of talent. after the right he's finding that ball he's a heat taking missile for that ball he's incredible you're saying sit out the next two years just to protect himself so he goes no it's more it's more of like a ha-ha take but like yeah he he could probably he could probably set out the next two years he'll still be a first round draft pick is basically what I'm saying like you I mean you play next year you think about that the following year if you if you do the same thing as you did and you look at the team maybe coming back but they're saying it but I mean he is NFL ready wide receiver one right now yeah on an NFL team

Yeah, he's a stud. Incredible. And they just beat the brakes off the ducks, man. I felt for him, bro. I felt for him. 34-0-0. The game was over at the coin flip. They just said they got that look in their eye, man.

I'm telling you, all those teams, they got to play the week before, I think helped them out. It's clear as day that you don't want to buy. No, obviously Ohio State had to, I think I was talking with Tate. He's like, I mean, Ohio State had to sit out, like, however many weeks before the first game. You and I were talking about that. But I'm saying, I'm like, that is true. had to sit out that long but losing to Michigan and as loud and as crazy as that moment was for them like they were just they were so pissed off they were so dialed in and focused I'm not saying

Oregon wasn't but they're just salivating they're salivating to write that wrong because they've had to wait for weeks and they're preparing like and again I say that and you almost have to assume that Oregon wasn't I'm not saying that I've just I feel like the type of motivation that Ohio State had and the get whatever rust they might have had against an Indiana football or not Tennessee, beating Tennessee. Who was also kind of stirring the pot. Right, right. You get...

Tennessee fans were going on. You get a game in against Tennessee before you go and play Oregon. The closest one was Arizona State, Texas. Arizona State should be playing this week. Now, you don't know. That should have been a targeting penalty. They should have gotten into the opponent territory. Who knows if they would have moved the ball anymore?

And that kicker probably would have missed a field. Probably would have missed a field. You're right. Yeah, there's a lot of what ifs there. There are. There are what if, but that should have definitely, without any doubt, should have been a targeting penalty. Without, yeah, in the world we live in now, that is 1,000 percent, like a textbook targeting penalty. Helmut the helmet and he's, you know, can't protect himself. And it's a textbook no call with a team like Texas.

Just all, uh, Connor Stallions kind of take on it, like there should be a tiered system of targeting. Like, basically the, yeah, I like that, like a five, five-yard line penalty. would be, I didn't mean to. We did make contact in the head. Kind of like running into the kicker versus roughing the kicker. Right. Yeah. No, I did.

I like that. I like that. It makes me a little nervous when you start to add these gray areas in these, in these rules. Because there is already so much of a human element for them to make a judgment call, right then and there. But by doing that, does that remove a ref's judgment? Like, you're at least have three chances.

So you know it's, you know it's targeting, but then you get into the world of like, okay, is it tier one or tier two? or is it tier two or tier three and now you go back and forth and those extra five yards or whatever it is the kicking out of the game at such a big deal at that point

so what are we talking about this? Because that's what tier is that? Steyer one, whatever the highest tier is? He would give it a like a five-yard penalty guy stays in the game. And the kid doesn't get kicked out that's the thing if it's targeting the kid also gets kicked out

like the penalties are so extreme it's like NBA you got Flagrant 1 Flagrant 2 and the examiner the examines with Arizona State the week before, that number seven who put that lick on the quarterback, that could have just been a five-yard penalty to where you don't give him 15 yards

and kick him out of the game or kick him out of the first half of the next year. Because that was under the chin. Safety. His first, did you see that? Number seven, if you're watching it was number seven who got the safety on Texas. That was his first play back in the game.

No shit. Yeah. Shamari Simmons. And he was the only one that could lock down Golden? Is that his name? Yeah. I mean, dude, that game was so fun. That game was awesome to watch.

And Will brought up a good point in Chicago when we were talking about is Texas didn't move the ball at all other than the couple explosive plays they had, one on special teams. Yes. And then that, ASU's defense handled business the entire game and ASU's offense, although they weren't coming with points on the board. Because if they had an adequate kicker, they actually run away with that game in a sense because they're in their red zone in the territory to kick so many times. They are moving the ball 25 to 25 on a consistent basis. The TOP in that game was wild. Can I get on a soapbox for the Big 12 for like 10 seconds? Yeah.

I just want to say everybody's saying, oh, Arizona State's defense is only good because they blitz every play. They blitz every play. They're not that physical. They don't have grit like Big Ten or SEC. ASU came to play. And Iowa State came to play against Miami, too. I mean, the Big 12 has good, gritty, strong defenses.

It's not just the high-flying offenses. of old of the big 12. It's a lot of programs that really have good running games like ASU, like a Texas tech. They had trouble later in the season, but I just wanted to get that out there.

Baylor played great against LSU. I was happy with that performance. They lost, but they played great. They came back a little bit, yeah. What's your, what are you saying? Like, ASU, what was the point of the they're gritty? Where did Texas come from? Where to Texas come from?

The Big 12. Even match up. Yeah, but Texas played in the SEC championship this year. I think what you're getting at is this. Big 12, the conference of Big 12 needs to be looked at in a little more higher regard. Okay, that's weird. We'll take that. More so than the ACC.

I'm not saying where SEC or Big Ten. More than ACC. Yeah, I would agree with the ACC. What were they, 2 and 11 in bowl games? Yeah. Not good. Brutal. I mean, yeah, if you were.

let's actually quickly go through and just tier the conferences real quick. I think it'll be pretty consistent aboard. Top three tiers would be Bay 10, then the SEC, then Bay 12. Yeah, 100%. I don't think that's hard. Do we even, anybody arguing that at all? No, I don't think about it's arguing that. It's just a safe space.

Yeah, the ACC's record. Something I do think that could happen for the bowl games to incentivize it more, since everybody is getting paid, it should be if you win this game, that bowl pays your team. So like every kid gets five grand. Like a playoff bonus. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I think that could make it electric, even in these other bowl games. Yeah, but listen, if you got a kid that's going to go to the NFL, you need a little more of incentive than $5,000. I mean, I get it. Maybe stars get $50. Yeah, that it gets money. You don't almost have to put $50 across the board for everybody. Yeah. Which would be a lot for 105 guys on a football team.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. That's a good thought, though. I think it could be fun. Or do, like, what does basketball do? They have like the March Madness actual bracket to win it all. And they have another bracket too.

They have the NIT. That would, I mean, that doesn't hit, though. I think it would, because if then you would have Nebraska moving forward, a Michigan moving forward, there'd be Will and I's dialogue. You'd have these other teams being able to do a bunch of stuff. It'd be fun. Unfortunately, I don't think Will Compton and Terry Luan's dialogue could carry them. Not yet.

Not yet, but give it time, brother. Give it time. Because it would be fun. I love I threw that in there. Like, we're going to move with the needle with this NIT tournament. Yeah, yeah. Come on now. I'm telling you.

Let's do a quick prediction. We'll go to the NFL, yeah? Or do you want to wait for the locker room? Oh. Definitely pretty. Oh, yeah, I guess. Penn State looked good. I mean, Notre Dame looked good.

I think Texas will put up a better fight. I think Texas will put up a better fight than people are anticipating with Ohio State. They have the, they have like, the best past defense, like in the country. And their defense that Ben don't break mentality. offense has got to figure out and move the ball a little bit more because Ohio State can get up on them but I think that

they're going to compete a lot more than people are anticipating because Ohio State's now had two blowout so there's no reason to think Ohio State's not just going to walk through this game. Quinn, you were too? Like, I mean, I know, yeah, people want to say what they want to say about them

but that was ice cold at the end of Arizona State. Hey, did you see that the dude, the ball kind of hit the ground on that touchdown pass? Yeah, I did. I was seeing that. Lits? Yeah, the play, yeah, the 4th 13 that Texas caught,

he catches it in the back half of the ball, like, in one of the frames, like, goes down and touches the ground as he gathers it back in his body. They didn't even look at it. I was going to say, and they didn't even look at it. I know. You're talking about this crazy bias going on right now against ASU. That field goal bounced in, too.

Yeah, what's the rule on that? I think you saw the field goal bounced in after it got ticked. Two points, right? So, I mean, obviously they counted it as nothing, but and they're trying to figure out what does the rule mean? I don't know. What do y'all think it should mean? I personally think if it bounces in,

that'll be awesome if it counted. If it bounces in, like it hit the ground. It gets tipped. Like in the game, Texas tipped it. It bounced and it went in through the goalposts. Isn't that what ASU is trying to argue right now? Yeah. They appealed it.

They appealed it. And look, I know shout out Dilly for taking full accountability and kind of breaking this play down. But, bro, I just. What do you do? Cover zero. Like you can't let anybody get in front of you. You play the sticks.

You play the sticks or you don't let anything behind you. And the dude, he asked, yeah, if you, you see, A, you saw it hit the ground? Yeah, yeah. Sherim sitting there watching it. That is crazy because I would love to see ASU playing right now. I know. I love to see ASU. Yeah, I love that.

You got dudes like Brandon Walker out there talking about Cam Scatibo isn't that good. It's just crazy Between that mid game Bro 99 yards receiving We got a lot of receipts A year pass 140 yards rushing

The kid came to play And the thing that's sick is I want to pull up If we can find this A compare and contrast Of Quinn Eur's stats in that game And Sam Levitt's Because Sam Levitt was talking

Crazy pregame I'm the best quarterback I'm a show why I'm the best quarterback And Skatibo is essentially Like I should have been I'm the best running back in all of college football and they're going to find out.

And he, you walk away, you look at Scada Bow's stats, and you're like, goddamn. I mean, he might be. The level was falling, too, and they just could, I mean, that old line just could not protect him. Could not protect. It was tough to watch. But to, uh, I mean, yeah, yeah.

I mean, Quinn, Quinn played better. Having that, having that moment at the end of the game. But those are inflated, those TDs are inflated because of, uh, overtime. It's crazy. Who's it, who you talking about, G? Yours. Because that, nobody in Texas wants him to be the quarterback. And you know he knows that.

which is wild. I know. And then to make that throw, I know in his head he's probably thinking, screw all of y'all. And watch what I do against Ohio State is probably what's going through his head. Hopefully,

I hope they win. On that last play defensively, just talking about that, to me, if you want to go zero. Four and 13. Yeah, you need to go true zero

or in my opinion, you play coverage, but you can't do the whole simulation, cover zero, play into a cover four. Like, you either got to go all out, have one extra guy

getting to the quarterback, so he has to throw it right now. or you have to stay back and play coverage. Because right here, go to that back view of that last play. I mean, yeah, you got seven up. Stop. They send six, and they have six guys to block. You know what I mean?

Like, you're not running true cover zero right there. You've got to bring one extra guy. Because he honestly could even hit the deep out route on this fourth and 13, too, because the dude beat his leverage to the outside. Look at this nickel down here. Boom. Keep going. even he gets open.

Yeah. Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of send the house in a critical game situation. Not fourth and 13. Four than 13. If you're thinking like fourth, like in six, seven. Keep everything in front of you, game tackle. So that way your guys can have blitz feet. Yeah.

Like he can't really have blitz feet when they got enough to pick up everybody. Yeah, because you're bailing. Yeah. You got to bail and play catch up versus all these guys running their routes. You feel bad for that safety. I love the fact that Dillingham came and, you know, owned it. not once but twice, but I don't,

I'm personally not a fan of that playoff. Yeah, because I think Dillie said the safety has to pick up anything intermediate, so he ends up trying to dive down and chase that out route versus staying deep

in a true cover four. Because that out, that corner post that he gets, he gets it on, the safety in the middle of the field basically vacates the middle of the field to go try to dive on that deep out. Right.

And you're right too. If you're going to, you have to bring more than six. Like you've got to get home in the situations, have him throw off his back foot, And obviously, Archer quarterback is easy to play,

but that's just... Go to the back to the beginning up or play coverage. The beginning, right before the snap hits. I hate this little line. What's his line doing? Right now they're showing seven. Yeah, you have ammo, yeah, and then that guy on the far left, he drops out.

But the problem is, like, that three technique? Oh, oh, Arizona State's sending six right here. Texas has got seven in per... They're in Max Pro. Oh, yeah. It's like H2, H3. I don't like it. If you're going to send a max protection, you need to like over-emphasize one gap.

So I originally thought this was an avalanche blitz. Avalanche is three up the middle. And you either get there with a motion and then the guy comes, the guy who goes in motion with him and then comes in. Or you just have a guy kind of sitting four yards behind and bring them up. When you have that many up the middle and you have three of the middle, you now you essentially, unless your gap scheme blocking, you're not, you're not able to pick that up. because the backs can get there. That's when feet get in the way. It's where people trip over,

and that's when you get into the quarterback's lap. But if you're doing this type of ammo blitz, which is just two A-gaps up the middle, and dropping a guy into zone, both your edges. The left tackle is one of the most important people in this thing. And this kid's a first-round pick. As soon as he sees this guy drop,

which that end does a bad job of showing that he's going to come and then drops, he needs to now start screaming to his left guard to bump everything back, because you have to assume there's more numbers the opposite way than you, if there's a blitz going away from you. So Taylor, if this guy right here,

you're saying send him through this gap that is going to be produced by the left tackle? No, I mean, the blitz, they're in a seven-up look. If they brought all of them, you're in like a true zero. Yeah. This one, I would have maybe had like a, personally.

Both outside guys are to come, so you have eight coming. Yeah, yeah. I would have personally liked to see another guy up the middle if you're only going to bring six. So this dude right here, this dude right here and this dude right here you would send those to on that and then have like what would you take a bracket type of defense on the back end yeah i mean you're playing cover zero yeah you're playing a true cover zero so you're just you're basically like hey guys hold up in front of you as much as possible keep everything in front of you and pray to god that rush gets home and if you bring it it's getting home yeah he's got to throw it as fast as possible sometimes before these guys can get out of break he might have to try to hit this check down and then it's a gang tackle vice tackle situation but i mean i mean yeah If fans are butts, dude. Great game.

Phenomenal game. And we're going back and forth on those bets being like, do we cash out? Like my bet was sitting at like $16,000 at one point. But I couldn't do it. I would have been sick to my stomach if I would have won. And then, you know what I'm saying? You got to write that out.

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Penn State looks salty. Penn State looks salty. Penn State Notre Dame is going to be a good game. I think so too. You don't think so? So you think Georgia was that bad, JP? Yeah, I do. And I'd, Notre Dame, I mean, Riley Lennon.

Like I feel like he's got to be one of the easier quarterbacks to game plan for he had 90 pass yards 80 rush yards That's not great and I don't think you can win a championship with a quarterback that's kind of consistently They run the numbers out they run the ball well but Penn State to your point is a very good defensive run team right and then I think they run it better Yeah yeah like with Singleton and who's the other catcha on Allen yeah right Drew Aller yeah so I think I mean Notre Dame has surprised people, but I think Penn State, I would not be surprised if they wipe them. I mean, they surprised people, too, because of this coaching ability from the staff with Freeman down, like some of these play calls that when they went for it on Fort Down, when they had

the punt team out there and then they sprinted off the field to bring on the offense. Love that. Love Freeman. Like, I want to see him do well, but. Did he win Coach of the Year? I thought they said he won. I don't think he won it. Coach of the Year.

During the game, they were talking about Coach of the Year. I don't know if he won it or he was just like part of the favorite to win it. Most handsome man of the year. He's a handsome boy. He's a handsome boy for sure. Apparently you're not allowed to sub all 11 at once like that. You should be like, like you need to be able to have a, because Kirby Smart was really pissed about it and said some about an oppressor

about how that's not allowed. And you need to like, I think that's when you're supposed to get the cross about being able to give the defense to sub. Yeah. Well, yeah, usually they do. that in regular offensive plays anyway, right, when they change personnel. The guy stands there and they have to let them sub out and you guys are jogging off the field slow.

I don't know what happened with this one, but I just remember seeing that Kirby was super pissed about that. See, I like the idea of like, it's obviously, it hurts the defense, but like when subs are happening, like that is where true coaching comes into play, like having your guys ready and aware at all times. Like, hey, they're in 11 right now, but if they go 12, we have to go to base, so we're going to throw these guys out, be on your, like, just be ready. ultimate communication ultimate team game type of mentality that shit fires me up the game within the game type stuff but to go back to pen state oh who's you know i think the most competitive national

championship is penn state oh yeah based on how it's played out right now based on their and their last time they played yeah and and you say like it's hard to beat a team two times row it was proved with organ and if penn state on that fourth and one or whatever it is they get that they beat Ohio State. Two coaches that were on the high seat could be that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, tip of the cap to Ohio State, man. They have taken all that noise and said, fuck you. That is impressive. Very impressive. And with a... Give me Texas. Huck them. What was disappointing to with the Notre Dame

Georgia game? Like, Georgia defensively? Like, they tackled so poorly on the edge, man. Which is insane because you watch them against Texas in the first game against Texas or the SEC champions. tackling's there. Yeah. The plays are there to be made and they were just not tackling well on the perimeter. Maybe they saw like Stockton wasn't the guy and they just kind of knew like we don't have the team to kind of get it done.

And running the ball well on the perimeter while House they did a hell of a job doing it against Oregon. They could not stop that handback play. No, which is crazy. Yeah. You were kind of explaining it a little bit how it's difficult for linebackers because to me when we do handbacks, it's like this is the same play. And no way this is affecting the defense. But you were going to explain to why that's more difficult for linebackers. Just on the handback.

as a backer, you're stepping with the motion of the running back. When the line and the running back is going the same way, you're getting sucked in to kind of like, say the handback, it's starting to go left. You're like sucking in going to the left at first. And when they bend it back around where Ohio State was really successful at doing it, a lot of teams you do it with like a tight end or a fullback. So you'll start one way in the lead eye and then bend it back the other way.

So the full back or the tight end, that motion or wrap will take you to your run fit. It's a lot harder to see when you're doing it off. of a jet sweep. Ohio State was doing a great job of it with the receiver getting to the edge. And so the back's like stepping toward the receiver. Receivers coming back around or on a jet suite coming back to the edge on the other side. So it was making it really difficult.

And with the momentum going that way, that like left side of the line of scrimmage was doing a great job of just kind of walling it off. Like there was no disruption by the Oregon Ducks. So I thought they were, they were torching them on that bend back play. Yeah. It seemed like they just really didn't.

I mean, it's unfortunate because you love Dan. You love the pregame speeches, just didn't feel like Oregon really came to play. They were, they, which I don't know how you don't after you watch a Tennessee film. You put that film on, you're like, boy, this is a different team right now.

And with the, in October. And with the rap too, when you're playing gapped out, you're in your head, like when the back step in and everything's kind of decided, you're trying to aggressively press your gap. Versus on a handback, the only guy who can make the play

whoever is responsible for the edge. So when you get that rap happen late and the guys on the edge, you got basically a one-on-one tackle that has to be made. Yeah. you're trying to press the A gap or the B gap hard versus like you almost you need the second level to feel it and get to the outside. So if you're game planning that handback, that same look

that Ohio State was doing multiple times, what do you do? Do you bring a safety down? Yeah, or you tell your linebackers to be a little bit loose and flow with the play? Yeah, yeah. It's such a game plan thing that you're going to have to rep and practice to where if you're trying to cheat it with two shell and having a safety come down late or just back or kind of keeping their death. Like, hey, don't let the run game decide within the first step of the. running back. I can't imagine if you're a defense and you're watching Ohio State's through the air offense being like, we're going to bring a safety down in the box now to stop the run game. Like you're, you're, I mean, they are operating right now. Yeah. Absolutely operating. And it was,

hey, fun year for Boise State, but they did get whooped. Yeah, what would they hold gentry to? They didn't get whooped. If you look at the stats of that, Boise State outstatted Penn State. They had more total yards, did better, had more first downs. Like, Penn's, Boise, Boise State. Boise, Boise State had two turnovers, and that's what allowed Penn State to score. Yeah, I mean, that's the game, right? No, I'm saying Penn or Boise State did a hell of a lot better than what the score looks like and what, like, all the pundits and stuff were saying. You're saying turn on the film.

Don't look at the score, turn the film. Boise State, like, yeah, they, Jensey had like 160 yards on like 30 carries. So, I mean, he's the best running back in the country. He's bound to get his, but, like, Maddox-Madson played really good. like, Boise State held their own a little bit against no kicking game. Yeah. And Gentie had two fumbles or just one? Yeah, one or two fumbles.

But again, like that is the game. Because Penn State got out on them quick. Yeah, but they were up like 14-0, but then Boise State kind of like they were going back and forth for a drive or two. And then obviously the turnovers came and just bit Boise. Right. Because Boise is a team that's built to give Gentry the ball 30 times, but he's going to try and get 140 to 160.

Right. Like Penn State's defense. did a hell of a job, shutting him down. And what you can see, too, is all the glimpses of Gentie. Like, he's going to be a monster in the league. Because even, like, he's getting hit and tackled. Like, all 11 hats are getting to the football. But it's taking all 11 to bring this fucking man down, bro.

Yeah. Bro, he's an incredible running back, dude. Incredible. Who you should really have, Gentie or Scataboo? Gentie. That's the answer. That's the answer. Gentie.

That's the answer. I mean, Scataboo. I mean, everybody knows I love Scatibu. Scataboo is stuck. I am so interested to see what that kid runs at the combine. He's got, I mean, if he... I think so, too. You're talking about Skadaboo?

I think maybe 4-7. Nah. Nah, I think... Because again, I was telling you, they clocked them at like 22 miles an hour. I know, but he's a guy that strikes me as a game speed type guy. Like, he's got incredible game speed where it's like, oh, he moves just as well as everybody else, but I feel like he's not a guy that's going to... It might be how pale he is.

It might be how short his legs are. Yeah. But something about him getting in a three-point stand. and running a 40, I feel like he's at a disadvantage. He's a locomotive. He is a locomotive. I feel like his range is... A 10-yard split, too, it might be a little tough.

I feel like 5-8 to 466. Okay, I feel like that's doable. That's workable. I think he'll put up like a Rex Burkhead 4-6 at the combine. Got to love that. You know what he needs? He needs some organ, dude. Some organ.

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NFL, bro. Playoffs are set. Playoffs are set. We want to start NFC, AFC. Let's start AFC. We're a couple of AFC boys ourselves, or at least the most recent. Yeah. A couple of AFC cats.

Fun slate. Fun slate of games right here. But I believe I have the answers to all these games. I believe I already have the answers in my head. I've watched the film, brother, I'm telling you, I am seeing the field. I said the same stuff Big Cat was saying on the pro football show. What was that? Chiefs got to buy a week.

They're going to take the lesser team that comes into a. Chiefs are going to win that game. They're going to get to the Super Bowl. No, I'm just talking with these first three games. I'm just talking about the first three games. We'll get to the Chiefs. And you're propelling them into winning again. By the Chiefs to just throw that game against the Broncos to keep Joe Burrow out.

No doubt. No doubt. I mean, because the Broncos moth them. But you look at this. How you think Broncos are going to do going to Buffalo? Do you want me to actually talk about it? show away for the locker room because I'll tell you exactly how we can we can we can talk about some of these games or how it's shaking up I guess okay clearly if I'm looking at the broncos and the

buffalo bills and I'll say probably the same thing in the locker room is bill the broncos have not been a great team they went needed to win one of their last three games to make it to the playoffs and their win came from a chief's team that sat all of their guys they're not I think when we get to the playoffs this is as far as they get when it comes to the Steelers and the Ravens it truly depends on the offensive game plan. Because we've seen the Ravens time and time again. They have an MVP quarterback yet again, who's probably going to win the MVP,

go in and they kind of change up where they've done in the past to prove something, I don't know what it is. If they stick to a run game and they're consistent, they beat the Steelers. And I think the Chargers clearly, clearly beat the Houston Texans.

That's how I feel. If I'm just looking in a nutshell, all those games feel real good to me as I'm saying it on a Monday afternoon. I'll dive into the numbers a little bit for the locker room, but just from a gut feeling standpoint, usually when I look at numbers is when my bets go wrong. I start to second guess everything.

Yeah. But I look at that and that's how I feel. Yeah. Yeah. You saw it again this past weekend on Derek Henry's birthday. He gave him ball 21 times. Mopping. He's a beast, man.

He's a beast. He's a beast. Most rushing yards by a running back over the age of 30 in a single season. Keeping that, still tapping into that ability and potential at the age he's at is just, is incredible. The only, is he the only, I think I saw stat, the only running back

to have 1,900 plus yards, two years in the NFL? You never seen it? I don't know, that'd be, as he could say it though, because he had like 1,800,

then he had the 2000, and then he had 1900 again this year. Derek Henry, maybe I'm talking out of my ass here, but I thought I saw something to where, it was Derek Henry's the only running back, or the first running back to have two 1900 plus yard seasons.

You're correct. Correct. That's, hey. And again, at this age, bro, I think it's, it's awesome. But in the AFC, since we have three AFC West teams, let's talk about the AFC West a little bit. I think the Broncos, like, you could not have had a better year after what has happened over the last kind of decade with them. You got Nathaniel Hackett, Russell Wilson, just that gets blown up. Sean Payton comes in.

They have a tough year last year with Russell Wilson. They go after Bo Nick. Sean Payton talks about how this is his guy, kind of a rocky start at the beginning of the year. but the way that they've, they're back half the year, the way that the Broncos have attacked this season, I feel like they're in a prime, they should feel so happy with the year that they've had.

Whether or not they win this game, it's going to be tough to win out in Buffalo. They could do it, but, you know, obviously every team could do it. But I feel like Denver should be riding high with the year that they've had. I agree.

It's same with the Chargers. It's like Harbaugh comes in, establishes his culture pretty quickly. They're built on defense and run game. You got a lot of guys who are like no names out there on the, not no names, but you're not talking. about them like the superstars of the league

like you can with like the Ravens Joey Bosa I mean Cleo Mac yeah and yeah but Cleo Mac he's like older it's not like yeah he's older but he's still a name that even the most casual family will recognize and then um who's my boy linebacker

piss missile Denzel Perryman oh yeah Denzel Perryman love watching him fly around but they've had an awesome year is do we know if Antonio Pierce if he's getting fired or not I know we're We're doing this podcast right now on Black Monday. The last thing I saw, he's like, as far as I know, nobody said something to me.

Nobody has said anything to me. There's interesting. I mean, Schfter, so Schfter had a nice little thing on NFL live yesterday, kind of going through all the coaches that are on the hot seat. And when his name came up, there was either safe or out. And they said safe. And he said these things can change you any moment, but it feels like they're going to hold off on it for the time being.

Yeah. Because I know it's Al Davis, right? Yeah. They talk about him being a very impatient owner. This could be on. Right. Yeah. Mark Davis.

Mark Davis. Mark Davis. My fault. My fault. Mark Davis. They talk about him being very impatient as an owner when you hear all the rumblings of the fans from Raider Nation. But yeah, maybe they hang on to him for another year. Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe they hang on to him for another year. I know a couple of Raiders fans were talking like he could be Vrable because you have the Tom Brady connection. Yeah, I mean, I think wherever Raible goes is going to be huge for that franchise. It just depends who. We saw that he interviewed for the head coaching. a couple of days ago. I don't think that's the job the job you want right now. Yeah. You know, Rogers, people are saying people that are close to him, they're saying that's his last game in the NFL, that he does a press conference,

but they must not be that close. And so it just feels, the Jets, as always, just feel a little uncomfortable if you're dipping your toe back in as a head coach. I want to see what happens with the Cowboys. Have they came out and said McCarthy's good or not? Because that seems like, If you want a fresh start on a globally known brand and know that you have enough time to establish your culture, the Cowboys are that team. That's what makes the Cowboys such a great feeling as a head coach is because you know it's not like the Panthers. It's not like Mark Davis where you get impatient. Jerry Jones is known. That family is known to sit by their head coach long after the rest of the world.

I thought they should go. Right. Because McCarthy, we were sitting there last year going on it. We think McCarthy should be gone. At least I was saying that. I thought it was time for him to go. Jerry Jones is too busy acting in episodes of the landman right now to be running a football team. Can we get updates on Mike McCarthy?

Can you type in Mike McCarthy other than Jerry Jones Landman? It doesn't matter. He won't fire out. The money's coming in. A show I've never heard of in a still photo of him laying by a hospital bed. That's what he's doing right now. Can you type in Mike McCarthy? I just see him start typing in Jerry Jones Landman.

I'm like, all right, this is no update. on Mike McCarthy. They're not firing them. What we got? Any news? Feels Cowboys speculation. What's the latest about him? Yeah.

This stuff probably won't come out for another. Should we call Schaefter? You have his number? Oh, yeah. Give him a shout. He's a Michigan guy. Give him a shout. Did you say from one Michigan man to another, I need some intel.

Mike McCarthy staying are going. Mike McCarthy staying are going. Who else is on the... 44? Of course. So what, theirs? Yeah. You know, Big Cat's out there hoping, praying for Ben Johnson, Braves.

You got, I don't know if they're actual, like, it's legit rumors, but people speculated with John Gruden. I think, to me, if you're the Bears, Vrable's going to be an awesome head coach. But to me, if you're the Bears, you want to get somebody who is very much offensive-minded or can speak to the quarterback because they got Caleb, they got Caleb Williams. Like, you need to fully invest and buy into that asset, which is Caleb Williams, to see if he has it or doesn't have it.

He's obviously got a lot of talent ability. Then you've got the Jets. Jets will always be interesting. I feel like Vraib. He's kind of the first big name on the wave of getting interviews. I feel like that's just like Braves doing that. You get your name out there. He's starting to get interviews all over the place.

It makes the most sense, it seems like, with New England. I mean, New England got that win yesterday. Immediately after the game, they did a press release. Robert Kraft. This is the hardest thing I've had to do in my career. I've known this since 2007. Yeah, I mean, he was a player, he was a player there and everything, right? Beautifully said.

But now that he's gone, it's like that one makes too much sense that Vray would just go back to New England. So maybe he goes to, maybe he goes to New England. What's another one? Still in the AFC, that AFC, what is that, AFC West, AFC East? AFC East, Miami Dolphins. You saw Tyreek Hill? Yeah, that's, I mean, that's crazy. Here's the problem.

I like Tyreek a lot. Yeah. But you got, like, I'm telling you right now, Tyreek, you are a spoiled boy. You're a spoiled man. For you to say, for you to say, I have, this is the first time I ever missed the playoffs and you've been in the league for 10 plus years. Yeah. Bro, I made the playoffs three times.

Some guys never make the playoffs. Yeah. Like you have been lucky to be a part of an amazing chiefs team and a Dolphid team that was successful. But, bro, bro, you just don't know. I think it's-you-don-know about the heartaches. Yeah. Come to the Titans, bro.

I think it's hilarious that he utilizes that I got to do what's best for me and my family as in I haven't made the playoffs and I'm out of year because I got to do its best for one year haven't made the playoffs. Your family's not sent back like dad what we doing we got to get to the playoffs we got to get out of here. Yeah, Tyree we don't care if you're getting paid that much. We want to see you, we want to see you get that $60,000 game check. I think Tyree too he's represented by Rosenhaus.

Is he? Yeah. So if he's one now, he just signed a three year deal in 24. Yeah, dope. I mean, if somebody wants out, a guy like Tyree, he's still got so much juice, he can go wherever he wants. Yeah. Every team would be like, yeah, we'll pay for that.

Garrett brought up a good point. That's Tyreek's profile picture on Twitter right now. I mean, that's funny. That is funny. That is funny. That is funny. They'd be loading. I mean, yeah, Tyreek, like, brother, I understand your frustration.

This is the first time we've gone through it. This is why losing is the best teacher. But how many times you meet the playoffs? Twice. Oh, no, I mean, one time. Wait, no, twice. One time. I was going to say one time in a 20-year career.

Yeah. And now, I was looking to make it three times. Like, we got 30 years of NFL experience, and we got four playoff runs. Yeah, man, those motherfuckers on the Chiefs that just get Super Bowls and playoffs and playoffs and playoffs. The couples don't know how good they have it. And buys and playoffs and Super Bowls.

You know the only place Tyree needs to go, though, is back to the Chiefs. That would be incredible. He's got to go back. If there's going to be a place to go, it's going to go back. That'd be insane, dude. I might put that on a futures bet. where would I put that, Will?

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We have a lot of fun with those. Oh. Oh, he goes. So professional. Before we go to the NFC, I just want to say, I feel terrible for Steelers fans. They've ended on such a bad note

in the regular season. They've kind of limped into the playoffs. They've been in such a dilemma because they're always in this spot to realize. The fifth through seventh seed. They're in the middle of the pack and drafting. They can't get themselves a quarterback. There was a little bit of glimmer of hope with Russell Wilson early in the year. They end up going with Russell over Justin Fields and that just to be in this exact same spot

where their defense is good enough. They kind of came alive last week, but they just have no offensive firepower. So I just want to say before we go to the NFC, my heart goes out to Steelers Nation because it sucks. Yeah. It sucks, man. I hope they can somehow pull it off. We know we love our boy Artie Smith out there. No doubt.

And we love the videos that come through on my timeline of Mike Tomlin, giving some juice in a team. Yes, the intensity of those eyes is second to none. A guy who's been there for so long. But it's just every year there in this exact same spot. This year seems worse than the others because they're on like a what, a four-game losing streak? Oh, tough, man.

Onward. NFC. Dude, Lions just beat the brakes off the Vikings. beat the brakes off the Vikings. I mean, played phenomenal. I know, man. Gives four touchdowns. There's a couple things that I'll say.

I'll save it for the locker room, but just the Lions beat the brakes off the Vikings. The weakness, the only weakness they have is having this by, which we are finding out is such a dangerous place to be. Unless you've been there before. Like the Chiefs. Like the Chiefs.

Well, no, they've been there before. Yeah, I know, unless they've been there before. The Chiefs have been there before. So they'll be ready to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. rate a roll. These games, not as clear cut to me

as the AFC games. NFC has much more depth than the AFC. Yeah. Sneaky team, dude. The Rams. Sneaky. Sneaky could have an upset

over the Vikings. Sneaky. Commanders could sneaky have an upset over the bucks. Packers could see have an upset over the Eagles. They could.

Dude, we could be looking at I mean, besides the, the Rams, every lower seed winning. Which I'm going to assume that the Rams are an underdog in this game. I haven't looked at the lines. Right now, I think the Draft King's app has the Vikings favored by two and a half over the Rams.

So yeah, they are underdogs. We're going to have a game. It'll be in L.A. I mean, ultimately, the Vikings and the Lions were battling for the number one spot in the NFC. You know, obviously Eagles have two. But these are, those are the Vikings, Eagles, and the Lions are the top three teams. teams in the NFC. Record-wise.

I know record-wise, but... I would know the Packers in there, too, because I feel like... Don't be a prisoner in the moment, bro. Vikings, yeah, they got their ass with, but just think of what the Vikings have been doing all year long, bro. No doubt, bro. I'm telling you, Vikings are great. I'm not...

Rams are plus two? Plus one of two. Plus money line? Got you. Got you. Lines moved a little bit. So listen. I'm worried about your commanders in this game.

I'm worried. Baker, spicy. And dude playing in Florida is a bitch in the wintertime. Because your body's kind of used to the cold. Your lungs have gotten kind of used to it. And then you walk into that humidity a little bit.

You know, it's like you remember going to Jacksonville in December and being like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. You're still dealing with this down here? It's different. Yeah. That's tough. No, I'm with you.

It just to me, like in the end of the, NFC has all the games, dude, to where it's like... I mean, 61's not bad. Is that I say 61? Yeah, 61. High is 61, low 49. Yeah, I mean, never mind. The commanders just...

I take back everything I just said about with it. The commanders having this kind of momentum going into a playoffs for the first time in forever. I mean, not since, like, long before my generation was there. Like, anytime we got in the playoffs, it was just, we'd just sneak in. And we were always coined the NFC, or least. We'd be saying we'd be saying NFC beast though Hell yeah I bet your bitch ass was

Run at them run at them Yeah those would be fun games Everybody shine to find out with their numbers And the Rams they have themselves a little byweight They set all their starters Vikings limping into the playoffs That's our bad B from the number one seat The fun part about the Vikings Rams too is you got O'Connell versus McVe

Yeah That's fun They've been on the same staff for so long. And again, like Stafford in the playoffs. I know, sick of mode. How's the health of his team right now? Yeah, I think Coup's playing.

Pook, he's playing. I think they're pretty healthy for the most part. And their young, you don't know, defense has really came along the back half the year. It'd be an awesome match. Brin Fisk. He's a beast, bro. FSU.

Huh? Yeah. First got Pro Bowl as a rookie. Really? That's awesome. it's tough to correct that Pro Bowl lineup your first year. Brock Bowers? Oh my God. Brock Bowers, he got it.

Unanimous. The Raiders have the best tight-in situation. Right? Mike Mayor, yeah. Yeah. Like massive dudes. You had such a chair?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong. Fun fact, first time I think in over 20 years that same city teams could play in the Super Bowl of Chargers and Rams. Fun fact. It would be fun.

That'd be fun. That's something that I'll probably start betting right now. I saw something. It's like a pretty good point. Obviously, the charges are in the AFC, Rams are in the NFC. What if they were both number one seeds and they both made it to the Nat, like the Division Championship? How would that work with it being like this? One on Saturday, one on Sunday.

But normally they're both on Sunday. are they? I'm pretty sure. I think that you're talking about championship week. Like NFC championship? The championship, not division. The championship games are both on Sunday. Yeah, they are.

Yeah, so how would that work with, like, filing fans in and out? You know they haven't thought about that at all either. I know, but that's like a, it's a cool thing to think about. Yeah, that's a good point. That'd be awesome just to see how. Flip a coin. You know, they just flex one game or they have to break them up. No doubt.

But like, it is cool. But then if you think about it, the team that played Saturday has that one extra rest day going into the Super Bowl. So I was like, kind of, how do you make that even? It still could happen. They don't need to be one seed. It's like if the Broncos made it on their side and the Packers made it on their side, both in L.A. and the Chargers, they'd both, that situation could come up this year. An insane Final Four. I saw that on Twitter.

I'm like, that's an interesting. How would that even work? Going nuts right now. Yeah, somebody's figuring that out. It was going to be fun. I'm glad. Think about like the Super Bowl halftime show. How quickly they break that shit down all the time.

They really just got to change some turf paint. For them, I feel like that would be an easy. Yeah. You do a noon game and you do a 7 p.m. game. Or I bet they would do one of them at the Coliseum. No. No? No.

Maybe. You're going to tell a team, hey, we're going to do a neutral site? USC is home field in the Coliseum. USC is Compton, yeah, in the Coliseum. Yeah. The Rose Bowl's in Pasadena. What if you just make them both? No one gets so fun.

What if they just play the Staples Center, dude? Yeah. What if they all just play a pickup game of basketball? Right? Hey, before we get into the Francis Ellis interview, thoughts on Titans having a number one overall pick. Are they going to blow? Are they going to blow it?

Yeah, it's not a year to have the first year. Especially when you're a team that, you know, everybody talking, Titans need a quarterback. Bro, and it's, yeah. And everyone is kind of saying this is the worst draft class. Like, this draft class is not that great. It's not that strong. The quarterbacks,

Shadur Sanders, people have been saying, first overall pick all year long. Now of a sudden there's reports come out saying he's not, like some teams say he's not a first round grade. There's some scouts up there saying, somebody just like start that. And now people are running. That's how shit works, though.

This is when we're going to start to get in the world of smoking mirrors. You can have those teams. The teams that are slotted like 20 through 32 in the draft. Like a couple of those scouts could be. Yeah, I don't even have a first round grade. You know what I mean? And that right there can just be a headline or rumor on X. Yeah.

True. Yeah, I don't know. We start rumors all the time. It would be interesting. First overall pick. We got a lot of picks later in the draft that you can move around with. Don't we think the number one QB in the draft is Cam Ward, though? I don't know

He quit half time bro Quit it's right Good point Well you got JP I feel like The city of Nashville Need some buzz And I think they should take Shudur

Right Or Travis Hunter Either one of them honestly I think you trade out That thing as cool Like not as quick as possible But when the time's right I think the move is to trade it

But if you were to pick I do think you take Shudor Or Travis Hunter solely for the buzz of like we got to get this the city energized again yeah and those two could do it and i feel good about shudur because the end of the day like he knows how to prepare like a pro and he's been held to a high standard his whole life cam ward like i mean i think he'll be really good but chadura like i don't know i think he's going to be a really good end of hook i think it'd be good too you got good

poise adam and taylor this is so inappropriate how are you because right now i'm filming an episode of Bustin with the boys and we were talking we're like what we what's going on with Mike McCarthy and I was like well I can call Adam and then the will's like yeah call Adam do you know anything about do you care about if I just put you on speakerphone on bustling with the boys right now this is also being recorded so we can cut it okay okay all right all right he just dog walked you bro he said no he said you got to call me afterwards he just let you know to Lisa choked that thing yes mr. Scheffler yep absolutely he said yeah yeah you got to call me after

I think you trade that pick. Or do, hey, what about Kurt Cousins? No. You talk about Titans? Yeah. That's definitely a possibility because they could, they're definitely, it seems like they could fuck this whole thing out. I would take, I would take Justin Fields over Kurt Cousins.

Neither one's gonna. Yeah, but that's my point. One can at least run around. But no, I think you, I think you move around with it. I would love to see us get that pinstead edge rush. Sam Darnold. Abdul Carter would be nice to pick up. Who?

Abdul Carter, the Penn State edge rusher, would be sick and a wide receiver. Is that number 11 for Penn State? Bro, he's like a Parsons out there running around, bro. His motor and his speed sideline to sideline is nuts. What's going to happen with Jeff? Like, you have sweat in the middle. Yeah.

Get you an edge because what's Harold going to do? Yes, he's still going to be around. It sucks. I'm talking about defensive players. the offense put up 30 points twice, but I don't know. I bet they go get a veteran quarterback in the market. I think you have to. I think Cali would work better with a vet that this could sound weird,

but a vet that would maybe have some pushback to be like, no, this is what I think would work. Yeah. Aaron Rogers. He does have Landon Nashville. He does have Landon Nashville. Let's go. He's got Lane in Nashville, got a couple of his boys that live here,

Randall Cobb, David Boktiari. Yeah. Tale of the Juan, Wilcofton. Yeah. True. He's got the buzz. He's going on the bus. Friend of the show.

Who is the guy that was with Aaron Rogers? The other foot, Poirer, the safety. He'd DM me. He said, I saw a locker room. He's like, if you're actually interested in doing ayahuasca, we're setting up this whole entire thing in March, if you'd like to go. You've got to go. Dog, I talked to Tealinan about it.

She's like, do not go to ayahuasca. Why not? Because she's like, that, like, mentally alters you, wherever. You come out a new man. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But maybe I'm so enlightened. Something else happens. For content.

Come on, Taylor. Could I be bullied into it? I got bullied into Colin Schaefter. Yeah, I could be, I got bullied into sharing my mustache. Bro, alter your life. Shut up, JP. I don't know if we want to hear that bullshit. Shut up. Then do it.

I'm thinking about it. See, this is exactly. This is it. I literally just clicked on my head. You're doing it. 2025. 2025, you said you wanted to get spiritual. Let's get to Francis L.

You did say that is a resolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's speaking to you. You're right, ta. It's speaking to you. I'll think about it, okay? If the Titans draft shooters are saying, I thought there's a safe place for me to tell you guys

what's going on in my life. And here I am. Fighting for it. Dude, just change your genetic makeup for the rest of your life. Come on. I don't think it changes. No, it could.

Okay, man. I'm teasing. I'm teasing. I'm teasing. I'm teasing. I'm teasing. Francis Ellis Hey this was an awesome episode

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Barstool having his high moments, having his very low moments, getting fired, coming back from that. His last year as a whole, he shedded a lot of good light on what he's been dealing with in the last year. This is an incredible episode. I think you guys are really going to like this. If you're watching along, consider, make sure you are subscribed to this podcast and leave comments along the way.

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I won't say that part. But hey, enjoy this episode with Francis Ellis and go buy some Kevin's natural for this. Just to be safe, we won't talk about all right, welcome to the bus with the boys. We were talking before about surviving Barstool in tonight's episode and whether or not something happens.

And so we're not going to talk about it. We'll leave it alone just in case. My boy! Yeah. You know that movie scene where he's like holding his son. He's like, my boy! No, no, no. What happens there?

He's a goblet of fire? He's talking about dead poets society. Are you talking about Dead Poets Society? I don't even know what I'm talking about I just seen the movie scene It happens in both of those movies Because it's in one of my like me My meme video album

My boy My meme video album It could be when Yeah he dies and gobble to fire as well But it's possibly Dead Poets Society Do you think Will is watching Dead Poet Society? Do you think Will's ever

Do you think anyone's ever said to Will Oh Captain my captain And Will's gone Yeah it was Captain in Nebraska That's what he fucking did I guess they knew I was a captain at Nebraska at the Redskins for a year. I love it, man.

Those are good references. Thanks. Good. Very good. Welcome to the bus with the boys, Francis. I'm thrilled to be, truly thrilled to be here. I was saying to Will, there are very few podcasts

for which I would actually fly to do them. And this is one of them. Others would be like Rogan, Theo, you know. Okay. Tim Dillon. By the way,

I'm not saying I'm getting invited on those. I'm saying, you know, I put you guys in that tier. When you go and do like tires and you see i mean obviously we're all have a relationship with shame but you're a comedian you're in tires with Shane is there a piece of you it's like i'm getting close to the to the experience to like getting on rogan yeah i don't want to say that out loud if we consider rogan sort of the

the black belt the mountain top i mean i think you have to right he's the number one podcast like 90 countries absolutely so he is the black belt the mountain top yeah i it is one of those things where i don't i don't want to speak about it it's it's it's like uh there's a line from Gladiator where I think it's the original emperor before he gets killed by his son and he's like there was a time when Rome was so delicate that you could just whisper about it

and it would disappear or something. Yeah. Like I don't want to whisper about Rogan. Such a delicate. Yeah. You know it's in the distance somewhere. You know it might be around there for you. Yeah, I've, you know,

I don't really know what the road is there but I'm not going to force it. That's for sure. I'm not going to ask for favors. I just know that that is one of those things that needs to happen naturally, and it'll happen if it happens. Being around Bert and Shane, that's always been their thing. Because obviously anybody, a pedestrian on the street,

if they got a call was like, hey, go on Joe Rogan experience. They would go on Joe Rogan experience. But the guys that have been on when they see you, whether you talk about wanting to go on the show or not, they're like, if you ever see them, don't bring up the show. Don't talk about it at all because that is when you essentially get annexed for life. Sure. You get sent to the,

The gulag. Yeah. The gulag. Ironically, I mean, I've also heard stories of people who, you know, dropped in did a set at the mothership, just like impromptu or whatever. Rogan had never met them before, saw their set and then was like, want to do the show tomorrow. Right. Crazy. And it was just that quick and out of the blue.

Yeah. I think that's how it kind of went down with jelly roll too, right? Like he met him maybe out at the mothership and hung out with him for one night and then literally the next day. Yeah. But jelly roll at that point was like Yeah, jelly rolls Yeah He's been a fucking

Just got a pet donkey You see that clip? No Yeah, his wife bought him a donkey Yesterday For what? Just life? Just when you have everything

What else do you want? You want a donkey? Do you know what donkeys are supposedly amazing for Is keeping like coyotes and predators away From the rest of your livestock? Yes

Oh, you should get a donkey I got a great Pyrenees I don't need a donkey That was a conversation though When we were going through What do we want to protect our goats? my first thought were donkeys. The thing with donkeys, though,

is they're a little more aggressive. They're strong as shit, too. They'll pick up goats by their neck and just walk around with them for a little bit. You have to walk outside and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, put them down. Wow. Like, they have, like, lock jar or something like that. Donkeys are wild.

They are. I have a terrible donkey story, actually. Go ahead. Let's hear it. I have a small place in the Hudson Valley in New York, and I'll go up there, and it's sort of farm country. And a friend of mine from up there had asked if I would go to their house to feed their cat

while they were traveling. And I went to the house to feed the cat. And I had a small dog with me, our French bulldog, who just passed away. But he came, and they have two donkeys. And I let him out of the car and went and fed the cat. And he was barking at the donkeys. And there was a fence, just a wood fence that was easily, you know, you could go under it. He was barking at them from the edge.

They were out in the middle of the field. And then he went under and started chasing them. And they were running away from him, running away from him. And he was running them in laps, small, top. tiny French bulldog. And then they all of a sudden just were like, wait a minute, we're not bothered by this fucking rat. And they stopped and they turned and they started trying to stamp on him.

Yeah. And I watched this and I was like, this is it. It's over. They're going to cave his head in with their gigantic donkey hoops. Now, are you jumping over the fence to go in there? Oh, yeah. At that point, I did. And he quickly was like, ooh, I bit off more than I could chew.

and I ran over and he came to me. But one of the blows glanced off of his fur such that you could actually see the hoof print coming down the side of his coat. No shit. War scars. So you saw two donkeys chasing your French bulldog. Well, they turned the tables.

Yeah, they turned the tables. You see this happen and you actually went in there to fight the donkeys. Yes, because my wife at the time, who is now my ex-wife, had I told her, unfortunately, Kogai has passed away. He was curb stomped by a donkey.

That's just the type of thing that, you know, leads to little intimacy for quite some time. A long dry spot. Two questions came from that. Yeah. So you made it out of that dust up without a concussion. I did. Yeah, the donkeys knew not to fuck with me.

We do have helmets. Yeah. In case we need to. Good, good. Good job. You said you brought the concussion? Yeah, yeah. I said, so you made it out of there without getting a concussion.

Yeah, that was going to be my, one of my questions. Great. is what's up with your head? Yeah, it's not great. It's hanging on by a string. It's so smart, so quick-witted, yet a pillow. Essentially a pillow. What did you say in that clip, is this brain made of paper?

Yes. Our ginger's brains made, brain skulls made of paper. Which while looking at back of people, like, these dumb bubblewomen, I'm like, I guess they're right. Yeah. The way I was explaining that. You didn't know that I've had a bunch. I mean, have I ever, I don't know if I've told you guys this. story about the time that I got beaten up by the lobster man in Maine, which was really bad.

I got really, really hurt. Is this the- I told that on Manchains. Okay. Have you heard that story? Do you say it in your set? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Well, you and all the boys, you guys were getting after it. Yeah. Well, I was trying to stop a fight. And then they just thought I was part of the thing and they beat me up. Yeah. So that was one. I mean, that was a really bad one. That broke my nose so badly that even.

that even when it healed I couldn't breathe out of my left nostril and I didn't know that until years later when I started doing cocaine and I couldn't get any up the left nostril that's always a problem and it was embarrassing because people were like dude

you need to alternate nostrils or you're going to deviate your septum and I was like well that would give me an excuse to get a rhinoplasty without making it seem like it's for aesthetic purposes which is exactly what I was looking for because nobody wants a guy to get a nose job

you know, from cocaine. Without excuse. Yeah. So anyway, the point is, uh, that was one. Then lacrosse, I had like two or three, one of which resulted in me being taken off the field in an ambulance. And that was the worst one. That was the worst.

Hey, how are you laughing at that? It's fine. Like, that's a real sport. I know. I know. I don't know why. It's not really real sport. But it is.

It's a real sport. Let me say this. Do you get a scholarship for it? No, they don't do that at Ivy League schools. Oh, really? There's no athletic scholarships, only need-based. But hold on, isn't there like a loophole? Like if you're a good lacrosse player, you're a good football player, basketball player, whatever it is.

You'll get in. You'll get in. But you won't get money in. But yeah, you don't need the grades at the... Yeah, there's a little more... There's a little more leniency. There's a switch of muggles and wizards. Like, essentially the athletes are really the muggles.

They would let a mud blood in. Yes. Yes. Okay. Not to get racial. No. Yeah, fair enough. Not to get racial.

But, yeah, they'll kind of give you a little more. wiggle room on academics, but, you know, I wasn't far off academically. Okay. I see a little bit. So you got, you got ambulance carted off. Yeah, that one, yep. What happened? Stick to the head? No. I was hit and then I was hit. I took a shot, like a shot on goal. I think I jumped and shot. And then a defender while I was in the air hit me. And I, like imagine a receiver going up for a pass. I came down and the back of my head hit the turf as hard as, you know, just whiplash, bang. And I had a seizure from it. No shit.

And that's why they called the ambulance. Damn. My apologies. No, dude, I don't, I'm not like, how dare you laugh in my head trauma. I don't give a fuck. You know. We're in the mold talking about it. Yes, exactly.

Exactly. So the point is that I avoid now, I avoid activities that might induce head trauma. I don't play like men's league lacrosse. I don't do any of that stuff. I don't even really play like, I won't even play men's league basketball anymore. And so heading into that challenge, I saw what it was going to be and I thought it was a joke. I was like, surely there must be some catch. especially the way the teams were divvied up

my god you know you put the fucking monstars on one team and then a bunch of you know fucking muggle-brained morons I can't wait to you tell this story and just the context with biz and everything else because in my mind

like you're an athlete in my mind so I'm thinking like all right if we can just get Francis he's probably he's gonna be their force but then when we were banged up talking out later that night it was I was laughing as hard as I've ever laughed listening to him tell this entire story about going up against biz yeah yeah so you know yeah you and you in wit were the two people you're like I really got

worry about that man you guys watch you guys I mean wit it's like okay yeah but wit to me a hockey player they have great center of balance I've had a little scuffle with um who's the guy you hate uh James Neal he I've wrestled him and he's he's got it and I just thought to me myself like hockey players really are like that when it comes to balance yeah we could be sneaky Well, that was what I said. Immediately, you know, if you asked yourself, is there some body of work that would lend itself to preparing for this jousting challenge, which is physical combat on poor footing? My God, you know, hockey enforcers right at the top of the list.

I don't know what could be better. So maybe one of those like Japanese game show guys that like stands over water and like runs. I don't know. And so sure enough, my first opponent is Kelly Keegs. And I'm like, who, thank goodness, you know. Because you're thinking, too, like, I'm like the strongest guy where they're going to put me up against all these enforcers. Yeah, because before the show, you were talking about how you've been really on your health. You've been moving around.

You've been doing your cold tubs. You're essentially being your character from tires. These calves are incredible. And beautiful. Hey, well-sculpted body. Yeah. That's hereditary. I got that from my dad.

You don't say. I got these from my dad. Look at us. You should see Dave for the little pencils, dude. Thanks to our fathers. Yeah. What happened to your dad? Well, he's actually lost a lot of weight. He used to be a bodybuilder. He used to fight a lot. Was an alcoholic for an extended period of time, but that is now, he's now sober. So yeah, he's doing all right. He's doing way better. Good heavens. He's doing weight better. Yeah. That was quite a can of worms. Right? I know what you're getting yourself into right there.

The moment I asked it. I knew. What if his dad was dead? Would have been easier than that. Whatever that thing was that he just piled out. We'd have to wake up in the middle night. He used to fight a lot of alcoholic. Yeah. We'd have to go to a local motel in the middle of the night. But yeah, he's doing a lot better now.

I'm so thrilled for both of you. I'm so thrilled. Yeah. So, yeah. So then my second one I get is biz. Hold, before with Keegs, was there a piece of you that's like, I have to win this if I don't? Oh, yeah, for sure. So there's some nerves there. But I also, I would, I love Kelly.

She's a friend of mine. And I was like, you know, there's a way. to do this that's not barbaric. And so I just, she, she kind of mentioned, said something under her breath, like, please don't hurt me. And I was like, like, we can make, what did you say? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, what's in it for you?

You know, no. So I just, I just nudged her and that was fine. And, you know, that was totally fine. And then, and then next up, I get biz. And I'm standing up there. And you guys started this macho fucking mating call thing of who's going to be the bitch that wears the headgear and the mouth guard. No, bro. And you guys were like, fuck that.

I'm having unprotected jousting sex. No condom on my head. Let's raw dog each other to death. And I get up there. I put the helmet on like a fucking pussy. I've got the mouth guard and being like, right? And then there's biz just. clear-eyed, just fucking vulnerable.

Scar tissue around the face, a halo of wrath protecting him from whatever meaningless blows I might deliver with my PVC pipe wrapped in foam. You guys keep saying it was a pillow. That thing had real structural integrity under the casing. It looks worse for me, but it is, it had firmness. Yeah, yeah, it did. So you saw a dumb brain we are. He's using fun words.

He's explaining in such detail. Yeah, just the way he's talking about. We're just like, oh, we're having fun. Go ahead. Keep talking. For the record, before I went up, I turned to people on my team and I was like, this is a bad idea. If this is what we think it is, I have a history of concussions. I don't think I should do this.

And then they're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And you could almost just hear them being like, you're out. Right. If we lose and you don't participate, bye. So I was like, all right. I mean, I'll take it. And then I get up there. There's biz. No mouth guard, no headgear, just veins popping out of his forehead. Somehow he's flexing his face. I've never seen someone do that before. And I said in the moment, I was like, I felt like I was staring down Miss Peach's

alcoholic stepfather. Just a fucking pit bull that abused its daughter in human form, you know? And there he is. And I'm just like, this. is a disaster. This is my nightmare. We're so close. Yeah. We were so close. And they blow the whistle or whatever. And I mean, he'd hit me twice from both sides before I had swung. And I get off the thing. I'm like, yep, can't hear. Can't hear anything. Just do. And people are like, good try. Good try. And I'm like, did I? Did I? Yeah. And then I started feeling. sick. And I was like, oh man, if I throw up, that sucks and that'll be embarrassing. So I immediately knew I had a concussion. I know the symptoms. Luckily, I've had a range of them. And this one,

to me, felt like it wasn't, I wasn't so discombobulated, but I knew I was concussed. And I didn't want to bring the fucking production to a screeching hauled. I didn't want it. But I also was like, I need, I need to get some. I need. need to get looked at. Yeah. You know? Get a peek. Yeah.

Just have it checked out. And they brought in an EMT. We did a bunch of concussion testing. And then they like, they filmed that, which I was like, this feels, where's my blue tent, you know? Yeah. Where's my privacy? Yeah.

What's going on here? And then they were like, well, we couldn't release any of the footage because of HIPPA. And I was like, well, then why did you film it? Just to make you feel uncomfortable in the time. They're doing tests on you, follow my finger. Yeah. Give me the months of the year backwards. Exactly.

And she, she was. like, yes, you have a concussion. It is my advice that you go to the hospital to get a cat scan to rule out a brain bleed. And I was like... Could you imagine if you had a brain bleed from that?

I mean, that would have been bad. That would have been why. For everybody. And I didn't want... I didn't want that. I didn't want it to come back poorly on the show.

We were so in the middle of it. You know what I mean? At that point, there was so much momentum. everyone was so bought in and my team had lost so I knew you know you immediately had that thought of like if I miss a single secretive conversation

I'm toast right and even while I was being evaluated for like 45 minutes I was like they're conspiring I'm out of here yeah this is bad and I she wanted me to go to the hospital I was like I don't want to do that

and it's not because I'm trying to be a martyr or something like that. I just, I hate going to the fucking hospital. I hate it. When I was in seventh grade, I had a really bad staff infection in my ankle joint, which led to sepsis.

Got some scars. Well, whatever, I'm not going to show you. It just takes off. And, yeah. Was the camera? And I had to spend a month in a hospital for that.

And I was a little kid. And it just fucking left me with, I hate hospitals. So I didn't want to go. And then she was like, all right, well, then you have to sign a thing that makes me say that I gave you the advice to go and you're not going on your own, you know, volition. So I signed that. And then we continued, I think I got voted out the next day. And then I don't really want to give away too much, but I think the story is worth telling quickly.

I'm in the house, right? The sequestered house. They had a basketball hoop. So I'm sequestered in the house. They had a basketball hoop in the backyard. I'm standing there talking to somebody. and a ball, someone's just playing horse or something, ball bounces off the rim, hits me in the head,

and it was like someone just unplugged a laptop. I was having a conversation, and I do not remember what I was saying. I stopped talking to, I won't say who I was talking to, but, oh no, I can say, it was Roan, because Roan was also out, it's known that he's out of the game. And we were talking, and he was like, wait, you were saying,

and I was like, what? And I had no idea what we'd been talking about. And that was when they were like, all right. And then my face turned green. So then they called an actual doctor. And he was like, I'm taking you to the ER. And I go to the Chicago ER. We're in the middle of Chicago.

And in the emergency room in Chicago, I'm not making this up. A prison brawl had just taken place nearby. There were 15 to 20 prisoners shackled to their gurneys screaming at each other. and but needing medical attention and I'm sitting among them this isn't even in the waiting room this is in that area in the emergency room where there's like sort of rooms that have curtains that are pulled so there's like a lot of elderly people slowly dying but also for some reason a prison outbreak of enraged people and I'm sitting there waiting for my cat scan and each prisoner has a police officer assigned to stand over them and the prisoners are shaking. They're like, once I get out of here, you know,

and I'm like, you're not. And they're yelling at the cops who are just like laughing about it. And it was the most upsetting weight for medical treatment I've ever had. It was so unpleasant. It was so unpleasant.

And luckily I had brought my headphones. So I'm just sitting there playing chess on my phone and listening to Chopin. And because I was trying to find like, peace and it was because it was so violent in this area. And after their cat scan machine, they were so delayed because someone had kept telling them, if you move in a cat scan at all,

you have to start over. Right. And this woman apparently was freezing cold and kept asking for more blankets and she'd get like five minutes in and then they'd have to restart. That's what they told me. And so I was like,

it took me an hour just sitting among this, you know, prison riot. To finally get to the CAT scan, I did. No brain bleed. And then back at the house. Back at the house, which was really fun, by the way. So that's the whole story. We're going to take a quick break from the episode to shout out Amazon.

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only on Prime video. Do you think you enjoyed your time more in the competition or at the house? House by a mile. Yeah? I don't know. The house was fun.

And it's tough. I don't want to like say why because I think that will indicate who ends up being in the house. But the house was really, really fun. Vives were high. Vives got really high. Yeah. It was just one of those things where like as soon as people were kind of out of the game, you did the debrief and then everyone was like kind of able to relax again and just be like,

that was fun. Yeah, because you're in it. trapped in those walls, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You lose a concept of time when you're in there. Yeah. Truly, like, you could have your phone.

You can see what's going on in the world, but, like, you are solely focused on what's going on there. And you're, you're paranoid the entire time. The entire time. Yeah. And the thing that's crazy, like watching the show now where we're at, at this point, before this next episode comes out or anything, like, I am under the understanding that our entire team is so locked up.

And I'm watching these episodes and they're like, we got to get out the big three. I'm making, starting with Taylor. And I'm, like, bouncing around. like, bro, we just keep winning. We might make it to the end of this whole thing. I mean, I had the, I lived under the exact same delusion, which was that winning challenges was the key to everything. And if you perform well in the challenges, you will make yourself valuable.

Clearly, you know, the social aspect, this is not a game that is won by like the biggest, strongest athlete. The thing that bugs me about where the game's at now is how completely worthless Dave Portnoy is. Like not like has no help in the strategic mental part of it like puzzles can't even figure out a child's like blocks Stacking blocks and pulling them through like lost them the game because when Ria gets the puzzle she almost catches up to our team right and he he literally can do nothing he can't throw he can't let his shoulder or his arm over his head right truly worthless to be there. Yeah he's a worse off asset than mincy was the only yes I think if you put mincy and Dave in an athletic competition, Mincey wins that competition.

Well, the puzzle aspect, too. Dave, that drove me so nuts when he was, he kept, it was this, we put him so early

in the shape because we knew he wouldn't be great at it so we figured give him the easy part. Because as you guys know, the shape got more and more complicated.

You're talking about the one where we're pulling. More complicated, however, not really. Not really. Yeah. It's just like,

how do I recreate that space? Right. And then get it close. and then get it and just wiggle it in. Yeah. And he had a, hey, that's when we were operating on our finest. Flow state.

He did it. He kept doing it backwards. It was as if he was reading it in like the Arabic alphabet. I think they read it right to left. Anyway. And I had to kind of be like, nope, I was yelling like, no, other way, you know? And it would knock over and then he'd go and he would rearrange it the wrong way again. And I'm like, did somebody, I don't know.

His biggest asset is over the company. His parents play with him as a child. And after that challenge, we lost so specifically because of Dave that I started being like, look, there's real reason that we should get him out. It's not even mean. He's a liability. We have more team challenges coming. Everybody, right? Right?

And everyone was like, no. You're wrong. And now you're fucked. And I was like, I didn't even, I didn't even come. compute for me that mentioning that we should take him out would then put a gigantic target on my back. I was like, he lost us that. We'd all be safe if not for him. And so let's... Because you were in the room talking to Rhea about it. And then when you brought it up and then it goes to your confession, you're like, I think I'm fucked. Yeah. By linking that information.

Yeah. Good awareness. Yeah. Good awareness to know that you're fucked. Yeah. It is crazy. It's crazy also watching him back and seeing how like one little thing would cause a like snowball effect. Correct. I went up to Rico. And I just like, like, as a joke in my own head for nobody else but myself was like hey hearing your name and then he sees who'd you go in the room with the other football player erin comes up and taps me in the show as i can't get you ear for a second first time talking area in the entire game so i kind of just go under the stairs because i'm like i don't want anybody i see it's because i'm trying to keep the lowest i'm just trying to stay low and not say a whole lot and rico sees me and he's like hey he runs the day

hey will and errian like they started to talk and he's like you know it's talking about he's like i don't know taylor mentioned my name in the whole thing taylor goes and just randomly and i just randomly said it And so that caused Rico to spiral tell Dave and Arians out. He's like, I think all the athletes are getting together right now. It's like, no. I think I spoke to Ariel like at the beginning. Like, I'd be sick of for on a team. And that was basically it.

Yeah. Also, the amount of politicking that took place before the show. Yeah. Jersey Jerry calling, he call you? Yes, he did. And he called everybody. Oh, yeah. He didn't call me.

He did not call me. I got him God. I got him God. He had to. He was in the wrong tribe. Dude, he before the first challenge, he looks at me and goes, you do well, you're in. I'm thinking the dawn.

It's the craziest thing in the world. Like, Jay, what makes you think you're calling the shots in this group? Yeah. Like, why? Like, because you went far in the last one, all of a sudden. Like, that's a target on your back. Right. I think so, too.

I think, uh, I think previous seasons and your performance in them can only really hurt you. Right. Unless you were just like a nothing in the first, first one. Did you find like, what was the differences for you? Because you also did what the most dangerous game? Yeah. I did that one.

That's when you had the diabolical speech at the end. Yes, yes. That game was my first experience doing any of these reality game shows at Barstool. And I went in very naive. I didn't know anything about it. I kind of was just like, I thought I was probably running the show. Every time, that game was interesting. I don't know if you guys watched any of it, but if you want to challenge, you got to go sleep in a comfortable house for the night.

Yeah. And then the rest of us would sleep in this horrible tent. And it was 34 degrees. We were in the mountains of Colorado. So it was freezing. You didn't sleep at all. You were just miserable. You didn't get to shower.

And, uh, but it was all the, and then the person who was in the house got to select one other person to bring with them. But it became the case that. And then those two were immune. They were immune for that night. But everybody that was down at the campsite would be like, yeah, tomorrow we're voting one of them out. Just automatically. Because they slept comfortable. Because they weren't there.

They weren't there to like defend themselves. And, yeah. And so you kind of started getting to a point where you're like, I don't really want to be in the house if I want to go along in the game. And each night at the campfire, I would just very clearly say to the four, five, four, three people there, I'd be like, listen, if everyone wants to remain in the game another day, then this group right here can ensure that tomorrow, provided that one of these people in the house doesn't win the challenge. Do you guys, do you see how simple that is? and they were like oh yeah and so that just that just carried for like four eliminations until the people wizened up and were like Francis has been playing well we need to get him out and I didn't see that coming um and uh I was I was pretty banged up over it

it really affected me and people watching it's so easy to say like wow I mean why don't It's a game. How could you not get the game? Well, you know, it's not really a game. It's a game, I think, on actual survivor because they're just random people thrown together. People that don't know each other, they get scrubbed to where they, they know that they've all had zero communication with each other before they're all put together. Right.

Our game is affected by interpersonal relationships that have been determined for years of working together. it's affected by things like contract status, standing at the company, longevity, power structures, like all of that is a huge. And it's what makes, I think, surviving Barstall so compelling. It's because, you know, people be like, why wouldn't you get Dave out? And it's like, well, because I don't want him to dislike me since I have two months left on my employment here. And like, health care matters.

Yeah. Which is why he should not be in the game. I like it, though. You like it. You like being afraid of somebody not keeping your job because you kick them out of a game. Well, I think that it makes it really, it makes getting him out that much more explosive if you do it. You know, the previous season, Big Cat, first guy out. Dave, out a couple later.

Like these are huge pieces to fall. And they created ripple effects that lasted for a while. You know what I mean? And they, Dave hated Jerry for a minute. He did. For a while. Actually, still hated him and even wanted to get him out in the game because of it. He was like, I wanted, he was mad.

The jury got out. He's like, I wanted that blood on my sword. But Jerry's still a part of the company. And that's because, you know, I think Dave has the business sense to say, like, well, this is still a very good employee who's created great work in spite of what he did to me in this bubble. Right. But other people are not that quick to forgive. And those grudges that carry from one season to the next are a major, I mean, look at, look at how they did the, like, Marty Mush, Ria, Hank. I had no idea about that.

Like, that's a major piece. You don't see that on regular Survivor. Yeah, yeah. That's something that I was gathering the pieces throughout. Yeah. But I didn't have no idea. I knew that people were pissed at Marty. I knew something or Hank, something happened.

There was a team Hank thing for a while. And I just saw it on the internet. I was like, all right, cool. It seems like they're going through something. Yeah. And then they get there and find out the things that we're going through that will inevitably be told to everybody, I was blown the fuck away. Like, this shit actually happened?

And, and, shit is crazy. I'm like, my face, you'll see is like, oh, my God. That is fucking crazy. And everybody else is probably sitting there like, yeah, this is, we've known this for four years or however long it's been going on. Yeah. But my head's been in the same like an ostrich. So I had no idea.

So that is a disadvantage. Yeah. Not knowing that type of stuff. And I think you and I went into the game. I have a better awareness of it. But going into the game, you were like, I'm going to dominate this game through winning challenges. I'm just going to exert. That's my guess.

You were like, I'm going to create alliances with people that I know and trust. And you banded with Will and the athletes and stuff like that. And you guys, that worked. You guys won so many challenges in a row. But while that was happening, these people who are like survivor enthusiasts and are really good at the like cloak and dagger aspect of the game were just fully like, we're going to get Taylor and then we're going to get this person and then we're going to get this person. And in a way, winning all those challenges actually might have hurt you guys because it just didn't make you create. you know, you didn't have to be as nimble. You didn't have to reform new alliances

based on who was getting out. Yeah, the whole, the winning a bunch. Well, I think it's kept me in the game so far because if you would have lost in those challenges. You might need to cut that. Although, again, if you are out, all this is fair game. All of its fair game.

So we'll just see tonight. I'll also text Rob right after we're done and see what episode it is. My strategy going into the game, not having a bunch of alliances. I knew there were some people that I was cool with. I wanted to get Dave and Dan out.

That's what I wanted. I wanted their blood on my sword. Nice. And I thought to myself, okay, Barstow is essentially high school. There's so many clicks. There's the Cool Kid Club.

There's that. I was like, if I try to associate myself with the cool kid club, I'm at the bottom of that totem pole where I get snipe pretty quickly. So I thought if I can get like the band of misfits of Barstool

that are in the group that are kind of like on the outskirts of like the cool kid club and get everybody together like we could run the entire thing. and, you know, it works out the way it does. I think it works out the way it does. I think if there's a subsequent season in a year or whatever,

my guess would be that the band of misfits will actually have a leg up. That people will say like... Right. They got to stop being afraid, though. Like, you got to be. But they wouldn't be. And to your point, there's a resume that has now been built, which helps create that target for everybody else now. Right. Right.

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Visit Aroxon. That's E-R-O-X-O-N dot us to learn more. Back to the episode. Are you in Rudy good? Yeah, totally. And that was one of those things where when I got out of the game, I was just so upset and felt so shocked. that because Rudy like we truly bonded over these nights of sleeping in the cold campfires

just like there was so much bonding I won him a challenge by like hacking the challenge I saw something where I was like well if Rudy I can actually help him win and I'm going to tell him right before that I'm going to have him win and I'm going to contribute to his thing and then he'll win and he'll choose me to sleep in the house with him and we'll both be safe which is exactly what he did. And so we were like just really vibe in and having a great time. And then he voted for me.

And I was astounded. Astounded that some boy of mine could do that. And I get voted out of the game. Also, we had to like, we had to sleep in, I'm not kidding you, the worst hotel that I have slept in in my life. I mean, there were times when my parents, parents weren't doing as well as they are now.

And as kids, we would, we would stay in shit places. Like, you know, fucking run down motels on road, 24-hour road trips up to our lakehouse in northern Canada. And it sounds... Our parents weren't doing that well as we're on road trips to our lake house in northern Canada. We drove 22 hours.

What were your struggles like in life? Our camp had gas lamps. You got a small place outside of New York City. You know, I think, I think it's worth like 60 grand that, that place. Yeah. Not even kidding you. Yeah. So my point being, I've stayed in shit hotels.

This place we had to stay after we got voted out of that game was the worst. There were so many hairs on the bed. Women's long hairs. And they looked like they'd been pulled out by force. Like, these were not shed hairs. These were like, yeah. Hairs. Like you could see the follicle.

Yeah, there was intent. At the base. Clumps. Clusters. chemo patient hairs. So anyway, it was terrible. It smelled bad.

But then within 24 hours, you're kind of like, oh, okay. I'm back to normal. But I spent that morning writing this speech. And then as we were like heading to the thing, I was like, yeah, I wrote something, but it feels a little over the top now.

And Pat from, out and about was like, you have to do it. You have to do it for the show. And I was like, ah, I just don't know if I feel it that much anymore. And he was like, find it. Find it within yourself. Summing that feeling you had last night. So I did this speech and it was pretty brutal.

And then we ended the show and I just went up to Rudy. And I was like, I'm sorry. Like, I hope you know we're good. And he was like, oh, thank God. But I think it was, it was a little heavy hand. They created a diabolical moment. in the Barstool universe. Yeah.

How'd you get in the Barstall? Didn't you do like the American Idol style? Yeah, I did the first season of Barstool Idol. I had been doing stand-up and tutoring for like six years. I was just doing, you know, open mics and then check spots and then... That Harvard degree would probably make a good living with the tutoring. I'm not even kidding you. People are like, imagine, you imagine graduating from Harvard only to be a comedian or only

be a, you know, personality barstool, it's like nothing could have been more valuable to my career trajectory because I got out of school, didn't really know what I wanted to do. I'd done some stand-up. My senior year loved it. And I was like, all right, fuck it. I'll move to New York and give this a shot for two years. And if it doesn't work out, I'll, you know, take myself more seriously or whatever. And I quickly got a job tutoring. And, you know, I was tutoring like this standardized test that like seventh and eighth graders would take to apply to boarding schools called the SSAT there's a lot of schools in new york that go k to eight and so kids have to apply out and there's just this huge like private school community on the upper east side where everyone takes that test and

the parents take it as seriously as the SAT for college so they'll pay anything and i was getting referred from one client to the next being like we have a tutor he's this Harvard lacrosse bro who like our kid is obsessed with and is tutoring the test. Like every other tutor was like some artsy, fartsy old woman, you know, like who was like a poet on the side and trying to support their poetry. But like, slam poetry.

Yeah. And meanwhile, like, you know, I'd come over and like bro it up. We'd hit the pantry after school, eat a bunch of grapes, Capri sons. And then we'd get to the vocab list. And it was awesome. It was like the best job in the world. You know, dunkeroo's just being a kid again.

and I got to a point where I was charging 300 bucks an hour for that. Oh my good. How many clients you have? Dude, I had a wait list. So I had a wait list so long that I actually had to hire friends in mine who were like trying to be actors or musicians or comedians or whatever and teach them how to tutor the test. And then I would assign them to students and I would take a cut of what they were making. And then I actually just started my own company, a tutoring company. You should just kept doing this.

Well, that was a kind of a hard call. But it was always in my mind, like, I'm going to do this as a means to an end until I can theoretically support myself in comedy. Right. But it was a great job. I made like $145,000 a year. And I didn't have to work in the summer, like the whole summer, didn't work. Like the teacher's dream. Yeah, it was fucking awesome.

And, you know, just worked like four, after school, four to like eight o'clock. And then I would hit like, you know, three kids. in a short radius. I would schedule them if they lived within a block of each other, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

and then I would go do stand-up after that and do like, you know, shitty open mics or then I got... And you get to sleep in because the work day then start till four.

Yeah, I tried to like, I tried to keep my shit together and take myself seriously. Like, it was hard. I mean, and, you know,

in the absence, like, yeah, I could have slept till noon, but that would have driven me crazy. So I did that. And then I finally found, I saw a thing for the Barstle Idol. They were like, we're looking for talent.

And this was still kind of like in a young phase of the company. Now, did you know about them before you found this? Yeah, I'd been a fan. I loved the writing. I liked reading Kevin and Big Cat, Dave. I loved reading those blogs. And what year was this? This would have been like end of 2017 is when I saw the thing.

I think, and then maybe it was end of 2016. And then in like January of 2017, I had sent in a stand-up tape replying to the email. And they were like, yep, you can come audition. So, because apparently there were like 2,000 emails that they got. And 95% of them were like, listen, you know, I don't have any experience, but I'm a huge barstool fan. I'll do whatever it takes.

I'll learn what I have to do. And then like a handful where like, here's some relatively related work that I've done that might lend itself to this job. So because I sent a stand-up tape, I don't even know if they watched it, but they were like, oh, he's an actual comedian. Sure. And I went in and did stand-up, which was like probably a mistake because Dave hates stand-up. But I was very lucky that this guy who went before me also did stand-up and bombed so hard that just by contrast, I look. a lot better. And so then I went up and they were like, yeah, you were better.

So, okay. And then they passed me into the like the Hell Week thing where they chose, I think, 10 people to come compete like it was the apprentice. And we had to come to the office every day, Monday to Friday. And at the end, do a bunch of challenges type of shit, job, you know, write a blog, go sell merch, whatever and make a video. And then on the final day, Dave would fire someone at the end of every day. day on Facebook live.

On Facebook live. And there'd be like, you know, 10,000 people watching, which it doesn't sound like a lot now, but at that time, I'd never had anybody watching me do anything. Nobody knew who I was. And so, like, all of a sudden, my friends are tuning in, like, family members. And I'm just inching forward. And, you know, as the, as the tasks became more like talent oriented instead of just like stupid shit, I was able to actually show that I could write and that I could make funny.

videos and this and that and I I ended up winning that whole thing got like a trial contract for six months within two months they had bumped me up to full time and then I was there for two and half years and then I got fired and then I was away for three years and then I got hired back and now here we are it's quite a saga I yeah yeah I want to ask why he got fired but I feel like that's you not know that story no I do I told my head and a sand guy I'm a head and there's another piece that I can I go to bar show I'm like hey how's everybody doing and I leave. There's another piece of this that I...

There's like a doctor thing in there. Yeah, that was what I said. Do you know about that? Yeah, you tell me about it. You have to tell a story. I mean, this is... Talk to me like you're meeting me for the first time. I feel bad because I want to shoot the shit with you guys.

But these stories are a little long. That's okay. This is the show. Okay. You're a guest. We're so, we're highlighting you. Fair enough.

But, you know, I watch your guys show and I love it. And I love the way you guys just, you know, shoot the shit with people. so I feel I'll tell you I'll tell you as quickly as I can I'm not you're not going to tell the story I'm not great at telling stories quickly I'm pretty long with it so I apologize for that we can talk Fox Sports drama in a little bit but tell the story perfect

yes yes so on day three of the Barstall Hell Week thing I had had a surgery I mentioned the getting eaten up by the guy. Yeah, the lobster man.

Which you kind of really brushed over because Will knew what it was. And you're like, yeah, that sucked. Then you talk about cocaine in your nose. Yes. So I, the long, the short story of that is that I was in Portland, Maine when I was a sophomore in college, home for Christmas. When I was some buddies, bars closed, we were pretty banged up, went to the pizza place in the old port, filed into a booth.

I saw some guys that I used to play sports against at a rival school, but who I was friendly with. We'd like play travel sports together. and I went over to say hi to them and was sitting with them for like five minutes one of them saw these two girls come in they were like screaming at each other almost fighting and he chirped them

and then one of their boyfriends came over and was like that's my girlfriend and he said something like you know keep your dogs on a leash or something insane something insane and then the big guy punched him in the face and broke his nose and his nose exploded all over the pizza I swear to God he was pooling blood

all over the pie which we wanted and then they all started getting out of the booth to like fight and I was like am I part of this like what the fuck and then I was like trying to settle it down but then we got pushed outside and then one of the guys from his team just like knew what he was doing he kicked me in the face with like Timberlin boots on and knock me to the ground and he got over my back and just grab my coat collar and I'm he's like he's I'm not even kidding he's he's he's he's he's saddled me.

Like he's, I'm facing that way, and he's behind me facing the same way with my coat collar, bringing me to the right height like it's T-ball and just swinging around my face. And I'm just on all fours being like, oh, no, I can't do anything. This is terrible. Bring you to the right height like that. Probably hit me nine times. I broke my orbital bone. I had hairline fractures in my gums.

My nose was broken, as I said. and obviously a concussion and dude he finally he was so one-sided that he just got off and like helped me up and was like

are you okay and I was like I swear to God he asked you if you're okay yeah yeah he asked me if I was okay and I had had this idea for for a couple of years that like at some point

as a man you needed to get into a fist fight and that you had to earn your stripes and like prove yourself as a man and I was stoked that I had found one, had taken my punches, and, you know, live to like keep moving forward. So I actually dapped the guy up.

I swear to God. And by the way, I've told this story before. I told it on Matt and Shane's, and I'm telling it here. And if I ever did Rogan, I'd want to tell it on there. Because I have been looking for this guy for fucking years. And I'm hopeful that at some point, he'll hear me. tell this story. We were at Joe,

was it, Bill's Pizza and the old port. I think it's on commercial or exchange street. Now it's out of business. It was December 23rd, two nights before Christmas. There was a ton of snow coming down. And I feel like he would have to remember this. And if you were that guy, we should reconnect. Not to fight just to tell the story.

Because I feel like I have the story right, but I'm like, it was obviously, it's a little hazy. But he helped me up. We dapped it up. They got into a cab. They left. Because someone had pulled the fire alarm to summon the police. And I actually remember it was the guy who owned the place.

They were like, one of the pizza people pulled the fire alarm and yelled the police were on their way. And I was like, doesn't that summon the fireman? And nobody laughed. Just foreshadowing of the weak comedian I would be for years of the long road. it ahead. And so anyway, so then we had to take, we took that guy who had his nose broken to the hospital and then we went back to my buddy's place and I was, I was hurt. But I was very drunk. So like I didn't, I just was like spitting out a lot of blood, but like I didn't think,

for some reason I didn't think I needed to go to the hospital. I went to bed and I woke up and I had swallowed so much blood through my own septum that I was very nauseous and I got up at like 6 a.m. raced to the toilet and threw up all this blood. Because your body cannot digest blood. Did you know that? No. It's an interesting like scientific trigger for your stomach where if it senses that there's blood pooling, it thinks that you have internal bleeding or some kind of really bad problem and it will alert you of this by making you nauseous. This is what I was told. So I threw up all that blood and then I went home, walked in the door on Christmas

Eve at 7 a.m., greeted by our two, you know, yellow labs. And then my mom who's making Christmas cookies and my face looks like beef carpaccio. And she had to take me to get emergency dental surgery on Christmas Eve. And so yeah, so that was like, and then obviously. Going to take a quick break from the episode to bring to you Dove Men. As you prepare to host Game Day celebrations, what are some possible whole body odor related issues you may encounter that make you feel less confident in your hosting duties?

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I finally have the surgery to get my nose corrected from that moment. And that moment happened in 2009, the winter of 2009. And it wasn't until 2016 that I finally was like, I need to get this fixed. And I went in to get the, like the, I saw an ear, nose throat person. And he was like, well, we also see that you have polyps on your vocal cords because they had done a, you know, x-ray or whatever. because I was very hoarse from performing all the time.

Is this the visit on day three of that? No. That visit happened weeks before. Okay. I had done this. I ended up doing that surgery in like, I think early December. And then the audition for Barstall Idol was in January. I'm pretty sure.

And but even before the surgery, I went in and had, they told me they were like, we can fix the polyps. We can scrape those off the vocal cord. with a throat surgeon and then under the same anesthesia do the nose. So you can kind of just kill two birds with one stone if you want. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. I get the surgery. I recover from that. I go into Barstall Idol all as well.

On that Wednesday of Barstall Idol, I get a call from the actual doctor, a voicemail, not even like his assistant. And he's like, hi, Francis. It's Dr. Wu, Peak Wu at Mount Sinai. And he was like, I need to see you immediately. This is really important. Like, please come to the office when you can. No shit.

You know the story. Yeah. Okay. It's juicy. Yeah. And he's like, you know, he didn't tell me why. And I was like, what the fuck? Okay.

So I called his assistant. And she was like, yeah, come. I was like, do I need to make an appointment? She was like, just come now. So I'm in the bar's office. It's day three. I'm down to like one of five. or six remaining people.

So I just sneak out. And I take the subway up to Mount Sinai, which is all the way uptown, almost in Harlem. I go in. I see them. And they were like, okay, unfortunately, when you take something out of your bodies, you guys probably know, I think they automatically biopsy it just to like test whatever it is. And they were like, we thought we had removed polyps from your vocal cords, but they are showing signs of cancerous malignancies.

And we think that they are cancerous tumors. Oh, shit. And we need to start doing some tests. now to see if it's like metastasized and spread and that is our diagnosis we're really sorry i was like holy fuck what and then i had to get in a cab to go back to barstool at which point i called my parents and told them i had just been told i have cancer yeah i'm crying i'm freaked out the fucking barstool Idol was already like a huge pressure cooker crazy thing. And I get to the office. I'm very shaken from this news. And I have to go in. I go up the stairs. And Kevin Clancy is like,

where have you been? You're supposed to be doing this test segment on KFC radio right now. And I'm like, ah, fuck, okay. If I go in, they hustle me in. They sit me down. And they're like, crazy week, right? Like, how's your week been? And I'm like, um, not great, to be honest with you. And I'm like, I don't really know what to say. Like, I'm kind of freaking out right now. And I swear to God, you can watch this. Kevin goes, you're not about to tell me you have cancer, are you?

Word for word. He says that. And I was like, yeah, kind of. And he's like, what? And then I told him what had just happened. I didn't have time to like prepare. I didn't have time to be like, should I bring this forward?

No. I told him, I think I told him in the show. I didn't have like, I didn't know what to do about it. Yeah, it's got to be terrifying. And,

you know, I'm 26, 27. And then that that comes out and becomes part of the show. And, uh, I end up winning the show.

And I, at this point I do what any comedian does and I start making jokes about it and like my final video on the final day was like this song

I wrote and performed in the subway to raise money for cancer treatment which was called like hold me closer I've got cancer I did like a mashup of like famous songs

riffing on this and it was funny and I ended up winning the show and I got the job and then I was I was working there for like whatever two or three weeks. And at this time, all this time, they had sent the biopsy samples out to California to get like further testing done.

We had called a radiologist in Maine who was like friends with my family to get him involved and be like what the fuck is going on here, start figuring out options, things like that. And I think it was like two or two weeks in. I get a call on a Friday in the afternoon. You know, office is like chilling out. out and it's the assistant and she goes, okay, we have great news. We just did DNA test. The DNA testing came back from the autopsy that we did.

And the samples that we had taken out that showed cancerous malignancies turned out to be female. And then we found the samples that we had swapped in the lab with yours, retested yours, and yours were fine. this poor woman they got the lab results wrong they switched my tests in the lab yeah could you imagine the woman think of think of this she either

had cancer got my test results and was like miraculously you're cured or didn't know she had cancer and found out like three or four weeks later than she should have because of this because people were like Francis you should sue the hospital

I'm like I don't want I'm not going to sue a hospital for telling me I don't have cancer that woman has a case. She should probably do something. That is fucking nuts. So I know immediately. How crazy is that story, bro?

I know immediately. I know immediately I know immediately because I'm a fan of Barstool how this is going to go. Oh yeah. The narrative is going to be this ginger bitch

faked cancer to get a job at Barstool, which I'm not kidding you. Nate had written the blog before I was off the phone with the assistant.

Ginger Francis faked cancer to get a job at Barstall. And that becomes the narrative. And I then had to write a counter blog where I like show, I had them faxed me the biopsy results that show the like medical language and all the stuff proving like cancerous malignacies, all this, being like telling my side of the story, nobody cares. Nobody cares. It's far funnier to think that I would have faked cancer like a fucking psycho to get a job at barstool.

Dave has me on Barstle radio. We only had one Barstall radio show back then on Sirius XM. And Big Cat comes in. And it's like all the heavy hitters. And they are just skewering me for faking cancer. Like get a job at Barstall. And I'm so terrified. I'm like two weeks into the job.

I don't have any confidence. I'm just like walking on eggshells. I don't have any understanding of like the exposure and the reach of Barstall. And all of a sudden I am the main story. of the week. God damn. And freaking out, the more I try to be like,

no, I didn't fake cancer. I see? Everyone's like, yeah, that's what a psycho would say. The number one, like, this is the worst company ever

to fake cancer with. For the year, for like two years after that, if you would Google my name, put Francis Ellis into the search bar at Google, the next words that would populate were Francis Ellis fakes cancer.

wasn't like Francis Ellis, Barstle Sports, Francis Ellis, Harvard Lacrosse graduate, which it had been, and then I would ask all my friends to re-google that to try to bump fake cancer down off the list.

But it turns out a lot more people are interested in reading about faking cancer than my go-crimson stats. Go-Krimson stats. Six ground balls against Kinesias in 2007. So anyway, uh, So that was just like the narrative.

And then like two weeks later, I ended up asking out a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model after we did a segment. And that got out and got to Dave. And he fucking made a mess of that, made a whole scene of that, which now it's like, okay, he faked cancer. He's asking out girls that are 10 leagues out of his league. This guy really is a psycho. And then it then it just became that I was an actual psychopath.

And that was when it took me like a year to be like, stop fighting that and actually be like, Yes. I'm a psychopath. I'm a psycho. Yeah. You want the psycho? So you got bullied into having psychotic tendencies. It was more like I did, I, something clicked where taking the reins of the narrative myself, you know, be rabbiting it a little bit.

All of a sudden launched, launched my tone. I found like tone at Barstool, which was what led me to start writing. longer blogs that were more personal. Because up to that point, everyone was just kind of like, here's a story from the internet, here's my two-paragraph take on it, that's blogging at Barstool. And then it was a year in,

and I, over Christmas break, we had a week and a half off. And I stayed in the city to do stand-up. And randomly, three days in a row, I ran into Dave. One day, we were sitting next to each other at a barber shop, getting our hair cut, just randomly.

The next day was, at a sports bar. We were like adjacent tables and then the next day like at a bar at night. So I wrote a blog titled, I spent my Christmas break becoming best friends with Dave Portnoy. And our exchanges in those moments were no more than 10 words. Hey Dave, how are you? Good. Good to see you. Happy holidays. That was it. And then I wrote 2,000 words extrapolating this into a friendship completely imagined from my side, but indicating how little we'd actually corresponding, but what I thought Dave's words meant, even though he said so few. And this was a light bulb moment for me at Barstool. And I started following that, just writing like personal blogs, kind of where I would imaginatively

and very neurotically extend small exchanges or like interactions with coworkers into a long piece. And that is kind of what I do to this day. Beautiful. Did you have a shout at the swimsuit model? Did she ever respond to anything? Here's what happened. You, okay.

There were three of them that came in to promote the launch of the new Sports Illustrated magazine that was coming out. They were Daniel Harrington who got the cover the next year. Fuck, I can't remember the other two. they were awesome and um i'm sorry i can't remember them but anyway i did a show with them i sat down uh i was doing some dumb show i did called the saturday sit down where i just played this like awkward bumbling character like chris farley bit yes yes and i had the three of them on and they're like the most stunning women alive and there i am just fumbling around and being embarrassed and whatever

but during that I remember like Daniel Harrington was sitting on the couch with me and she like was laughing more than the other two and at one point like she laughed

and like touched my knee and I was like it's over rocked up quick the mother of my children we finally meet yeah the search is over

and we so afterwards I went up to one of her friends who was sticking around and I was like, hey, is, is Dan, do you know, if Daniel's, like, single? And she was like, I don't know why. I want me to ask for you. And I was like, I don't know.

I thought she was really cute. Like, you know, and she's like, here, take, she goes, take my number and I'll find out for you. And I was like, okay. And we exchanged numbers. But I think she was in her, that girl was in a relationship. So then the next day,

they fly to Houston to do the, like, pre- Super Bowl party for Maxim maybe and Dave goes with them he's on the plane with them they all go down oh no they go to this party at the party one of the girls goes up to Dave and is like keep in mind this is like four weeks into me working at bar store your first four weeks were insane still there oh it's it is fake cancer psychopath yeah so uh Dave one of them goes up to Dave at the party and is like, do you know your employee, Francis? And he's like, barely. Why? And he, she was like, well, I think he's got a crush on my friend Danielle or something. He, he asked me to find out if she was single or something like that. And Dave is like, get the fuck out of here.

And, and, uh, and, and, and then she, and then she's like, they're laughing about it. And she ends up DMing me and going the, the girl who's number. Or maybe she texts. me and she goes, hey, I asked Danielle, she says she's interested, shoot her a DM, and like, tell her all about yourself. Oh, no. And I'm like, but I, like, luckily I smelled, I smelled a rat. And I was like, ugh, they're trolling me. And I, I was like, no, I don't, I don't think that's a good idea. And she's like, trust me, girls love that. And I'm like, uh, meanwhile, Dave is like over their shoulder trying to like lay this trap. Then he calls Frankie Borelli, who at the time was his cameraman for all the pizza reviews and is down there with him and he's like

Frankie come over here we have to do this and Dave goes on his camera and he's like get this world ginger francis who's only been here for a cup of coffee fake cancer to get a job at barstole is now asking out sports illustrated swimsuit models the hottest women in the world who are so out of his league who does he think he is like this fucking psychopath he's telling that to the girls and like and then he posts that on Twitter this is this is

I remember it was like a Saturday night or something and I'm down in Philly hanging out with some very dear friends we're out to dinner and all of a sudden my phone is exploding for the fifth time in a month thing is going everywhere and then

the editor-in-chief at the time or I think I think he was K Marco he's like dude you need to get to a laptop and blog this immediately so I had to leave the dinner I had my bag my backpack with my laptop in it and I had to leave the dinner to go to like a fucking Starbucks

at like 9 p.m. Log on write this blog being like okay yeah I thought we hit it off maybe I was wrong she touched my knee but like you know you never know you don't ask you don't dance like you know

I'd rather have the rejection than spend a lifetime wondering, you know, what could have been. And like, shoot or shoot, blah, blah, blah. And like the fucking audience kind of rallied around that a little bit. They were like, yeah, yeah, why is Dave Cockblocking, Francis? Which was the worst thing that could have happened. Because when you turn the tide against Dave a little bit, then he really starts to bring out the tools. and then he started like deconstructing the whole thing

he revealed that I had also DMed this other girl who was like how do you know you DM this other girl because I think I think that I don't know the answer to that so when the internet starts to take it oh they know maybe they

that you fucking know I know but I'm not you dirty door I think they were hooking up and I didn't know it Wait, Dave and that girl. Dave and the girl. And so you DM the girl. Without knowing that she and Dave.

And she's probably laying in bed with Dave going, look at this. Yes. Oh my God. I think that's what happened. People think New York is such a big place. It's really not. Well, it was my mistake. She had appeared on bar stool stuff.

But as a guest. And I, by the way, I, I, that is so funny. Your face. What my DM, my DM, I think, was, hey, I have a show at Barstool. Barstool called the Saturday Sit Down. Do you want to do it? I don't know that it was like, I don't know if I have it. I said pulled the DM. This was like eight years ago. I could try to find it, but I probably deleted it for my own sanity. Do you guys know, do any of you know all this? Do you remember any of

this? Jared has never sat in on a bus and episode, but he could not wait because you are, you are his favorite. I appreciate that, Jared. That's very kind. We'll get Jared on the mic in a little bit. He's like, do you guys know or you just see Jared in the back? Yeah, I just take it. Yes, I do. Yes. So,

so, how do you find out that Dave knows about this DM? Oh, because he calls me on the in on the radio show and he's like, you guys are getting behind Francis and saying shoot or shoot, but he has a tendency to do this with girls. He DMs people that are like loosely affiliated

with Barstool and it's really unprofessional. Here are, here he is asking out this girl. Do you know? Which I didn't know. I didn't know that. You didn't know that Dave knew that before you went.

on the radio show. He brings you on. You sit there waiting on the phone. And by the way, you could hear him saying these things. No, he's not on the phone. He's there. This was when we all worked together. That's right. This is when Dave worked. And not only that, Big Cat's in there. And Big Cat is waiting for his turn to fucking knock me a new one because he was mad at me for, um, he, Big Cat is incredible at networking, you know, and I think that's like his biggest quiet strength. And he will work a long game to get amazing guests.

on pardon my take and he's so good at like finessing it um over a long period of time because this was this was I was the 39th employee at barstool and this was at a time when yeah pardon my take was getting big but they couldn't just like put I don't know if they were at a point yet where they could just put in a call to like J.J. Watt and be like come do the show you know at that time it was like J.J. Watt is six months off yeah from us being it we're starting to kind of get the ball rolling they're putting they're putting seeds out there they're tweeting at them whatever. So they had just had Ryan Lockty on Pardon My Take. And he was a big deal at the time. He had just had he just come off the Olympics. He'd had this crazy like scandal come out about him. Yeah, swimmer. About him like saying he got robbed at a gas station. Do you guys remember that? But it like turned out that that hadn't been what happened. But anyway, so he was like a big personality. And Ryan Lockty came into the office, did pardon my take. And I. And I'm, I had asked Big Cat, is there any chance I can shoot something that I have a funny sketch.

I had started doing this thing called, This is Barstool, that were like that this is Sports Center commercials. And I had a funny idea to shoot with Ryan Locti and Big Cat was like, look, I don't want to step on your toes, but like, this is a very kind of delicate guess that we worked really hard to get. And all he has time for is this. There it is. and um and like i'd appreciate it if you if you didn't do that and i was at a point where i was like i need to do everything i possibly can and i just was like really hungry to make content and i kind of just didn't listen to to big cat so i then grabbed ryan locktie as he came out of the elevator he didn't he i think i told his producer or whatever like i have this idea and she was like okay sure and i printed out my own headshot and i said hey ryan can you sign this

and he was like sure but this is a picture of you and i was like yeah i know and then he was and he signs it and then he hands it back to me and i'm like no that's for you and he goes but i just signed it and i go yeah now everyone knows it's yours and then he's like completely confused and walks out and that was the whole thing he didn't know what we were going to do Oh yeah, there was the original DM that I sent to the swimsuit model. It was great working with you yesterday. I know you're off to Houston, but when do you get back, want to go boxing? Because she had said she does like boxing as like a workout class.

Yeah. Not like, hey, want to fight each other? I have a history of concussions, so go easy. She didn't respond to that DM? No, she didn't because it was all then, then it was all going through. But I figured at some point she might be done the joke or maybe. Dude, she got the cover the next year. Who's this girl? Daniel Harrington.

She got the cover. That's her? Yeah. That's who you asked out? Mm-hmm. Shoot or shoot, brother? Shoot or shoot. Hey, I am mad at you.

I made t-shirts in the merch store called Shoot or Shoot. Really? Yeah. How'd they do? I think okay. Yeah. Not great. But we had to print it in the Sports Illustrated font.

So that was the subtle hat tip to it. So big K. found out. Big Cat found out about that. And to his credit, like, he, he was not thrilled and totally understandably so. And so he was in the radio room. Once Dave was done berating me for,

like, I can't ask out girls that are like coming into barstool to shoot stuff because it's really unprofessional, which is true. Then Dave, yeah, there it is. Then Dave, or excuse, me big cat then i think weighed in maybe about the ryan lockty thing or was also just like

piling on you know i'm sitting next to glennie balls and it's like what is he doing in here uh and they're all just like taking their pound of flesh and i'm fucking terrified and you know but there but this was like an important learning moment for me and it was a total trial trial by fire you could call it like a hazing ritual of barstool. And once I got through this, I leveled out. Like I started to settle into the job. And as I said, like eight or nine months later, I found that long-form tone thing that, you know,

started to see my job, me actually do better at the work. Until I got fired. So you're working there for two weeks, for four weeks in that time. you say you have cancer, you come back and say, oh, no, the DNA test got switched. I don't have cancer. Some poor woman has cancer. Then a swimsuit model comes in. Yeah.

And you ask her out, which is wildly inappropriate for any corporation, and you keep your job. There you go. And so I'm excited to hear how you got fired. It was a great point. Because I did go into Dave's office at one point to apologize for all of. of this. And his first response was like, hey, it gave me great content. Like that was his, for the first words he said.

And that, that, it would take me a long time to realize that like Dave is willing to court conflict and controversy if it's entertaining. If it's not and it starts causing advertisers to pull back and costing the company. money or paints the company in a bad light, that's a problem. So, okay. That was, that was the first whole run. And then I'm there for whatever, two and a half years. I'm starting to get a little too big for my britches, probably.

You know, I was writing well. And I had a lot of things that were going well. I got at Tap to host the breakfast show on Sirius with Willie Cologne. We did that for like a year, year and a half. That was going well and it was interesting. I'm writing well. I have a good video series. I have a sketch show called the Barso Variety Hour.

I'm touring for stand-up. Like, whatever. My star is theoretically rising. And I only say that because Dave at one point was like, yeah, Francis is a fucking star. you know they gave they're giving me raises like it's just going well and i start to feel confident yeah and the commentary is starting to be like you read a few of the comments and people are being like how long is it until francis leaves barstool for something better and uh or like you know he's gonna go to s and l or some shit and you start to you start to drink your own kool-aid and

fucking feel yourself a little bit again i'm young i'm like 28 29 and you i'm thinking like yeah i'm gonna I'm going to use this as a stepping stone to my, you know, stardom. And Dave, Dave knows when you start to feel that way. Because you're not committing as much. You're not like wearing the shield. You're not showing up on time to like, you know, some of the sponsored stuff. Whatever it is, it's clear. And this came to a head when we had a, we had a sponsored thing at a Dunkin' Donuts called the Duncan Awards.

We had done it the year before. It was all the way out in Queens. And the year before, it was like our Oscars ceremony where they handed out blog of the year, video of the year, song of the awards. And everyone got dressed up. We were all wearing like suits and stuff. The second year, they were like, we're doing it again. But there wasn't as much fanfare. And they sent out like one email being like the Duncan Awards are at this place, at this time.

There's going to be a bus that takes us out there. and then the last line was like dressed to impress. And a handful of us just kind of disregarded it or didn't really know. I don't know. Didn't take it seriously enough that we needed to dress up. We drive out there on the bus. I take edibles with a few people. And I'm wearing a black t-shirt.

A bunch of people are wearing like t-shirts and jewells. jeans. We walk in and Dave is on a fucking rampage. Just crushing everybody who's not dressed up. I'm, I'm not dressed up. Um, and meanwhile, the edibles are kicking in. I'm like, and I'm getting torn apart by Dave for being high and wearing a t-shirt and all of this. And I just, this is like me falling out of favor. Like, this is me kind of a come-to-Jesus moment. Like, look at how fucking stupid I look there. Just banged up in the second row. And

he just tortures me, like, you know, tortures me the whole time. That was on like Monday. The next day, real sports with Bryant Gumble, I think, on HBO releases an expose that they'd been researching for weeks on Barstool.

It's kind of a hit piece. Things aren't good. At this time, lots of, whenever a hit piece would come out, it was implicitly understood that we needed to like, yo,

lower our heads, shut up, don't raise any flags or like, don't rock the boat. Let's let this pass. And we'll get back to our work. That was on Tuesday.

Friday is the Friday before the 4th of July. We have a week off. I write a blog. At this time, I had the ability to just publish my own blogs. And there was no one to oversee it. And I saw a story that morning about a girl in Utah who had gone missing. It was in the New York Post.

It was in, you know, fucking Us Weekly, whatever. It was kind of tabloid-y, salacious. She was a big fan of Call Her Daddy, which was our, exploding podcast at the time. This is like the height of it, right? Yep. She was an outspoken sugar daddy dating website advocate and was like on seeking arrangements and like being like, you should, you know, have a guy pay for your life, whatever.

So, and she was a sorority sister. And she'd gone missing. She'd been missing for two weeks. Her sorority sisters had alerted the FBI that she was missing. But they saw that her Instagram account had been liking photos. So it was like, it was kind of a person. perfect storm of details that I thought the Barstall audience will want to read about this. And it almost was so down the lane that I was like, why has nobody written this yet, which

should have been a red flag? Why is nobody else? Because we had like 13 bloggers at that time. And we were all just like constantly fighting to be the first to an internet story. Yeah. I write the blog. It's not funny. It was just like a throwaway blog.

And I'm kind of like, yeah, you know, this girl, here's the story. Like, let's hope she's okay. But, you know, she's a big fan of Sugar Daddy website. So, like, hopefully she's on a yacht somewhere with some older guy. Like, and that she comes back in a week or so and wearing collar daddy merch and promotes the podcast. Whatever. It's a bunch of bullshit. Two hours after I write the blog, she has found brutally murdered.

This story starts turning into Barstool Sports Writer. Francis Ellis has written like the most tone deaf heartless cruel blog about a murdered girl um I get hit up I get like four email emails in my inbox in a row from like the Daily Beast uh deadspin all the all the usual suspects of the companies that were would attack barcel for any reason at that time they're like we're writing a story about the fact that you wrote about this girl we have three questions one why would you have written it two did anyone else see this blog before it went up like three like what do you have to say for yourself i i'm like oh fuck i get a text from dave all caps what the fuck is your problem you fucking idiot like why would

you have done this then he texts our editor and huh we've had we've had those texts then it's like uh you know just a daily text to mincy i got yeah yeah yeah yeah I get put in like a, he texts our editor-in-chief and he's like, from now on, Francis has no editorial approval. Anything he writes needs to be run by you. This guy, that guy at the time was this guy, Keith, and he like tweets out that I have been silenced or something, like that my editorial approval. So even at that point, it felt like, oh, people were kind of making a joke. of this. And then I, like, responded with, like, just a gif of me, like, putting myself in a cone of shame or something.

But then as the day progressed, I was on my, I was leaving that afternoon to go meet my girlfriend's parents for the first time. Oh, shit. And that woman became my wife, who is now my ex-wife. And I was on a train down to her family's house in Pennsylvania when I got a call. from Dave and I picked it up and he was like I hate to do this but I don't feel like we have a choice we're firing you and I was like okay I get it did you explain yeah it's the gift that broke the like the

no it was that it was that uh yeah and then they cut together stool scenes to make it look like I didn't give a fuck it was just like goofing around this was like a completely this was before or long before I wrote the blog, probably before the Duncan Awards, you know. No shit. Yeah. But just the way that week unfolded. Good times.

Different me. So anyway. Oh yeah. And this guy was like really mad at me for. Who's this guy? He's one of Pat McAfee's guys that we hired. And he was mad that I had like, they produced a stand up special for me and put it behind a paywall and not many people watched it.

And then they were. Dave was mad at me at the Dunkin Awards that they had spent money on the special and nobody watched it and I wrote a blog apologizing for that and then that guy got mad at me for apologizing. What a mental pretzel. Dude,

anyway, all like, is this empowering you? No, I think he actually addressed it on Twitter in a little bit more of like a sincere way where he was like he kind of seemed more conflicted about it where he was like, you know, had to do it. The fact that he wrote that blog was

bananas, but he's a talented kid. I think he'll be fine, like, whatever. And then Dave wrote me a text later that day after firing me and was like, for what it's worth, I wish it hadn't gone down the way it did. I actually think you might be able to,

like, use this to your advantage, you're in a good spot, like, which meant a lot. Because when that happened, then the Washington Post wrote an article. about it. I think People magazine, the Daily Mail.

It was everywhere. And I was just being painted as this like, you know, the Daily Beast headline was Barstall sports writer Francis Loss slut, shames, a murdered girl, which is just so out of bounds. Like I didn't say anything negative about the fact. Just the fact that I mentioned she was on seeking arrangements was why they took that angle. Plus, if you read the blog, you know, you read it and you're like, he didn't know she was

dead, obviously. There it is. And so I thought at this time that my career was over. Toast. And I was really scared. I didn't eat for like three days. And I was just hold up at my girlfriend's parents' house, like trying to figure out what to do, what to do next. How was that first impression?

You get up to train. You just been fired. To their credit, like they're just the coolest people and were really like, oh, you know, that's tough, but you'll be okay. Like, they were really cool and embracing and supportive. And I got all these texts from people at the company being like, I'm really sorry that this happened. Like, I love, you know, you're a good guy. Like, hold your head up. A lot of people reaching out.

It wasn't like, I left in a body bag from Barstool as a lot of people do, but not with. maybe like the same this guy's dead to us right it was like after a couple days people were like

he made a mistake you know he just read it wrong it was a dumb mistake but I wasn't trying to like hurt anybody and this was also

like the height of cancel culture this was 2019 so Me Too movement right before Black Lives Matter just like Shane

gets fired off S&L a couple months, I think, after this happens. And then he and I became friends through that. Oh, for real. That the two of us had been, were stand-up comics who, like, loosely knew each other and had both just been destroyed in the public eye very close to each other. And that was kind of where we bonded.

Because when he got canceled off SNL, I went on Twitter and defended him. And he, and there were a lot of people at that time, who were like afraid to do that kind of stuff. Right. It was like if we throw our lot in behind somebody that's been canceled, that's going to come back on us. I didn't really have anything to lose at that point. It seemed like everyone who got canceled at that time,

all their friends kind of dipped on them. Yeah. Everyone kind of just like let them die on the island. Yeah. But we got to preserve and protect what we have going on. I get it. It was a witch hunt in that moment. And the people who were looking to, you know,

correct the world had all the power. Right. There had not been the fiducian, fatigue around cancel culture that has now developed. So, you know, that was what happened to me. I got fired and then I like kind of just took a few days and said, okay, you know what? Like, I'm going to keep trying here. Started, uh, oh, I also got some, like, I had a few job offers pretty quickly from like a couple

blogging sites. Pro Bible reached out. Bro Bible. had been around early like with bar stool and then they kind of like I think they got sold and then they faded away but then they were starting to come back a little and I was like I don't really know what my next move is so I um I just took some time and uh then I was like okay I need to I need to lose whatever people are still with me and I need to give them a place to follow me you know if they want to so I started a podcast with a comedian friend of mine that was originally

based around moments of failure and fuck-ups and then like the redemption stories behind them what was the guy's name Julio Golarotti

Julio Galarati he's been on a lot of barsful stuff he's a great comic we called it oops and it was just about like fucking upwards and like finding ways

to come back after you've made of... Bill Clinton's the first thing on there after you've made mistakes yeah

and this kind of just started to gather like a nice cult following we were able to like you know generate revenue and and I was doing that and redoubling my efforts touring as a stand-up and like just sort of piecing it together income and like making a making a way of it and I did that for three years I was out in the wild just like hunting for

whatever I could eat and how are you guys acquiring revenue is that you guys both just going out and selling on your own yeah just really like grassroots reaching out to brand and then we got an ad agency that got behind us and took a split and that was good. But we were, yeah, we did okay. And then pandemic hits. And then I started making some videos in my car where I was like documenting alternate side parking, this crazy phenomenon in New York. And that started going viral.

This one parking? Street sweeping in New York happens on two days of the week. But in the pandemic, they limited it to one day a week. and there's this crazy thing where parking spots were so coveted in New York on the street because garages are so expensive that people would sit in their cars for the one and a half hour window that people were, that the street sweeper might come by so that they wouldn't get a ticket. And then when the cleaner came by, everyone would pull out into the street, the street sweeper would clean the curb like that area where we were all parked and then we would

refile back in. But people would come up from the back, swoop in and steal the spots, which would bump everyone down the line and knock the person in the front off. And then that person would get out of their car, go back and try to fight the person in the front. And I would be on the street documenting this crazy shit and like laughing when people would get tickets because they weren't in their car. I became friends with the guy who drove the street sweeper. He gave me a personally monogrammed Department of Sanitation New York shirt.

He came up with a name. He was Pete the sweep. And like I had all these repeat characters. It just was this crazy little world. And then I made the traffic video where I stopped traffic on the shoulder. So funny. Which went mega viral. Then son of a boy dad, Rohn and Sass, had me on the pod.

And they were like, enough time. We're just going to sneak you in. Had you in the past. You came, they're like, hey, we want you to come. They didn't clear it. Really? It was three years that I was away from the company. And I think it was just thought this dude is still too toxic.

We're not going to. But like people would comment on the stuff and see these videos. And I think Dave was like vaguely aware. I should have one more thing. Probably six months before this, I was pitching a show to a producer in Hollywood, loosely based on my time, working at a upstart digital media company. And he was like, yeah, we can make, let's make that. And he brought it to Happy Madison, Adam Sandler's production company.

and they were like, yeah, we love this, but you need to get Dave and Erica on board. So then I had the unenviable task of reaching out to Dave, to whom I had not spoken in two years, and whose last messages to me were the day he fired me and be like, hey, Dave, I've pitched a show based on your company to, and now happy Madison wants to make it, any interest? And he was like, and he called me, and he was like, what? and they were pretty suspicious at first but then they liked it and then they came on as like silent producing partners

we sold it to Village Road show and we were like adding writers and like developing this show so maybe that also played a part in why Dave was like oh he's potentially somebody who we want back and

son of a boy dad Rhone who remained my friend throughout he's like, dude, come do the pod. We're not going to ask for anyone's permission. Just come do it. They like snuck me in on a Friday. It was super weird being back in the office. I was like, am I even allowed here?

What year is this? This would have been probably 2021, probably 22, probably 22. Okay. And I come on, I do the pod, tell a lot of these, we'll tell the story of the firing again. Dave sees it. At that time, he's doing the Dave Port and my show

with Eddie. Yeah. The next day, they do an episode where, um, no, not the next day. Eddie or somebody, Austin, Dave's producer, says, hey, do you want to come on the Dave Portnoy show? And I'm like, holy shit. But okay. And I come on the show.

I'm talking to Dave, who I think was in Miami, but we're through the thing. And just like kind of going over everything and three years of past. And he's like, how long has it been? I'm like, I've been away for three years He's like, wow, I mean, would you ever have an interest in coming back to work here? And I'm like, yeah, definitely. And then the show ends and you text me and he's like, all right, you know,

what do you want? And I told him what I was making and he gave me that number and then I came back to work at Barstall. No shit. The return of Francis Ellis. That's my whole life. How quickly were you back in the building? I think that,

I think that I did the Dave Portnoy's show in August he was like let's start you September 1st and I was getting married the last weekend of August and then going on my honeymoon and he was like oh and I told him that and he was like okay just come in so I started September 15 no shit to your contract yeah what was like what were the biggest differences you saw

being removed three years well because the move to Chicago hasn't happened it hasn't happened yet but it was talking about that I think so yeah so mainly Dave not being in the office was the big difference

better or worse I think good and bad I think that when he was there it galvanized a lot of people coming to work you were like I need to fucking do shit but you also felt like I might end up on the radio

answering for DMs to a swimsuit model so make sure you do shit but not too much shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at this point, when I came back, I would say it was just like way more relaxed, but the pace had slowed. And this was also when they were really gearing the company

to be purchased by a gambling company. So the gambling content had become king. And it just kind of was, like, I don't know, it felt more corporate to me in a way. Because by and large, my tenure at Barstall the previous time had been in that smaller office, which was just a pressure cooker. You know, we were all... And you were the 39th employee at this point. They got a couple hundred, right? So now, no, now there were like 400. And there were all these people upstairs who were doing, like, gambling liaison and production and marketing and all this. And it was just like a real, it felt like a

tech company at that point. And yeah, just people weren't like, people weren't looking for a way to like make a content by like fucking ringing someone else's neck. And that was definitely like, oh, you can, you can, we can relax.

It's not as mean anymore. But that had been an interesting element that a lot of people utilized. And I didn't see that come back until I would say Ohio's Tate started doing his thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People talk about, oh, this is the old Barstow.

This is the style. Yeah. What was it deal with him and Kelly? Why did they get into it so hard? I think Tate brought up something with her only fans. No, well, no. Please tell the story. Kelly and I.

He said, oh, no, no. That might have been a small part of it. Kelly and I had been given the Barstall radio, which Kevin had been doing, but didn't want to do anymore because it was cannibalizing his listenership of KFC Radio. And Dave canned you guys, right? He handed it off to us. We were just kind of doing it.

And then Ohio State writes, Kelly said something offhand as a joke on the show about how like people were talking about like, why doesn't, why don't they come in on Fridays? And Kelly made some joke about like, I don't want to do my makeup on Fridays, but it was a total joke. And I like working from home on Fridays, she said. and Tate seized on that and was like oh Kelly doesn't want to work on Fridays because she doesn't want to put makeup on. And this is the part where he's just contracted out to write blogs, yeah? Yeah, he was still a teacher at like high school. Yeah, high school basketball coach. Kid is a lunatic.

Yeah. I like him. Yeah, yeah. I like Kelly too, but yeah. I like he's a wild man. And so, and both of them are, I would say are good at being able to like just go for each other's jugular. Kelly's, you know, she's pretty Teflon-y, like, she'll take it, but she can also really give it.

So, anyway, they, they get into it because of this, and then everyone's expecting Kelly and me to talk about the fact that he attacked her on the show, but I turned, I told her, I was like, I don't, I don't really want to get into this. I don't think this dude matters. He was a teacher.

He was blogging, like, one blog about the Browns a week. I didn't know, I didn't even know he was a real person. Do you know, kind of. I'm exaggerating. Right. But he was like, he wasn't full time. He blogged under a pseudonym. And I don't, I didn't know where this blog about Kelly had come from. I didn't know why out of nowhere he was like writing an attack blog. So I was like, let's just let this go. And we did. And then they were mad at us for not doing. Because in the The barst world. The confrontation. They were mad at us for not.

That's the content. Yeah, that's the content. Making it a thing. And then, then it turned into a whole thing. And then Dave fired me and Kelly from the show. And that was what spawned the unnamed show. The unnamed show.

Because they were like, we need real attack dogs. Because Nate was trying to. I mean, Kirk Dave and Wade are such a great conversation. Couldn't be better. Couldn't be better. And then, yeah, exactly. And so that was like a,

I guess a tough week because people were just, making fun of us, but I didn't, at that point, I just didn't care. You've been through hell. Way worse. Yeah. Fired. I've had, I'm in a unique position at Barstall. Well, it's me and Mincy.

Where a lot of people at the company fear losing the job because it's a great job. And it's one of one. There is no other company, not one, where we can do what we do, where we can write about a haircut we got or and have this gigantic pre-baked audience that Dave and Big Cat and Kevin built and, you know, who have these like stars like you guys who are willing to have us on and and just, you know, it's incredible. And with literally no job expectation. The job is make stuff and if it works will keep you if it doesn't

you're gone but there's no that is so wild it's no it's the most vague vacuum oriented job I've ever had in my life

there's no I don't have a daily checklist of things to do I don't have you know hours I don't have a a fucking outfit that I have to wear to work

I don't even have a desk it's a it's as nebulous as it could possibly be. And there's so much freedom, which can make it hard. It can make it, for some people, it can make it like, I don't know what to do. I wish someone was overseeing this a little bit more and like pushing me. But for me, it's like, you know, I don't know really know when inspiration is going to strike. And, you know, I got asked as a bubble person to fill in for Stu Feiner on surviving

barstool, ended up, you know, creating huge controversy there. And then was able to write blogs about it for a lot. week which were just like so easy for me to write and I had so much fun writing those and writing about you guys and like people I know can fucking take it and they're going to like the blog you did on us

was incredible I told him last night I was like I don't think I've ever heard the analogy of like having a snowman face with my eyes being so small I said a snowman made entirely of buttons because most snowmen will have coal and this kid had run out this kid

it to run out. Just use buttons to make everything. Yeah. I was in Canada reading that. Yeah. I was like, oh, God. Because what was funny

is you posted that blog and we were just on the phone for probably a good, I had you on the phone for 40 minutes just talking strat. Just talking surviving strat. Yeah. Yeah.

To the point to where friends is like, I got to bounce. All right. All right. You thought I had access to a fucking time machine to go back and do it all over knowing the right moves.

You kids will at the right time. Yeah. He loves talking strategy. It's phenomenal. I love it so much. I'm consumed by this show. Yeah. It's awesome.

And I guess my point being people who know that this is a great job and feel very fortunate as we are, don't, their biggest fear is losing the job, right? Understandably. That happened to me. I lost the job. I got fired. I got humiliated on, of my own doing on a national scale. I never would have thought the Washington Post.

would deem my mistake worth publishing in their fucking newspaper. That is crazy. You know? And so I had the worst thing happen. Not the worst. But like the disaster. The catastrophe happened. Right. And it took me three years, but I came back from it.

So now a lot of the fears that I used to have, a lot of the things that used to piss me off, the little comments, the feedback, the Reddit, it just doesn't make as much noise. It doesn't move the needle for me. Makes it kind of nice, right? It's, that is nice. Yeah, it is nice. And I feel safer.

I mean, Dave, you know, joked on the unnamed show about, you know, to close the loop on the new contract hanging over my head as I entered surviving barstool, Dave joked about on the unnamed show because they were giving him shit for it how I got the email right after I got eliminated the show gave Dave the Idol

and I had a new contract in my inbox which I'd been waiting for and he revealed that some months ago I had texted Dave and said hey can I call you I have something important to talk to you about and I called him and I said look here's the deal I'm getting divorced

I have to move out of my apartment I don't know if I should stay in New York City. At this point, I had like two months left on my contract. I was like, I don't know if I should stay in New York. I don't know if I should move to Chicago. I don't know if you want to keep me on here. And I know that this is way ahead. But I just need your help. I need some clarity in my life because I need to know where to sign a lease. And I'm kind of like, I just, my life is in free fall right now. And in that moment, he was like, I'm really sorry to hear it. But you're in

great standing we have full intention to renew you you're doing good stuff and that meant the fucking world to me just as it did when he fired me and sent that text to like just give me a little nudge of like and this is why like a lot of the time i know dave is a very controversial figure to a lot of people but off the camera off mic people will ask me like what's he really like what do you think of him and my answer is so resolute he he means a lot to me and he's done a lot for me. I get like a little emotional thinking about it, but in my worst moments of all people, Dave has lifted me. He's got a unique way of being supportive, huh? Yeah. Yeah. He's got a, you know, he's got a heart. So, uh, you bubbling up,

almost got a little tear in my. Yeah. Yeah. How, uh, how have you been doing? You're obviously a very funny cat. You're a comedian. Like, you laugh a lot. You do all the things you're traveling everywhere. but to go off that you mentioned getting divorced being in your lowest moments and i also saw you on new year's post on your story i don't know if you were trying to be funny as well but i knew that there was some serious behind it where you're like sitting on the stairs and you're holding your drink and you're like everybody's out there i don't feel like i have any type of conversation to offer yeah how have you been doing look you know i don't think it's any secret that for however i present on paper i would say my brain is both my like my great tool and

my most malfunctioning piece of equipment. I'm emotional. I'm sensitive. I'm prone to real bouts of depression. And I've been pretty open about this. And obviously, you know, going through divorce sucked.

My ex-wife is, remains my favorite person in the world. We are great friends to this day. Which is a weird and unique parallel, I think, between me and day. because he says the same about his ex-wife. But it still made it very hard. I lost my infrastructure. I lost my world.

I had to move out. And I was just kind of like totally lost. And the past year, the last half of this year was just a nightmare. It sucked. And it wasn't until I like really took some serious steps to writing the ship that I finally felt like some hope again and whatever. And that post that I posted on New Year's, I was texting with Sass. And I was like, dude,

New Year's Eve is the worst fucking holiday ever. I don't remember a time that I didn't feel shitty on New Year's Eve. And he was like, he responded the same. And I took a picture. I was sitting in a stairwell to get away from the party, just sipping a tequila soda. And I was like, I'm literally sitting in a stairwell by myself

to avoid all these people who are like happily reflecting. And my entire Instagram timeline was filled with carousels of people being, like what a great year, 2024 was. Here's what I did. I traveled to Venice. I got engaged.

We got pregnant. I did this. I had leaps forward in my life. And I was like, I bet you there's a lot of people out there that do not look fondly on the last year of their life. And I wrote this caption. I started just writing it. And it was like a little bit sad and kind of self-pitying.

And initially I was just trying to make it funny. And then I ended it with this sort of optimistic. look forward of like here's to all the people for whom 2024 sucked but who continue to believe that somehow next year may be our year and I wasn't going to post it because I was drunk and I was like don't post drunk on New Year's Eve don't like write something that is like whiny and petulant and and you know sad but the thought that people might relate and feel like you know there's another person out there whose content I consume, whose life has sucked to and who hates this holiday is not feeling great right now, but is looking forward. Maybe that'll resonate.

And I posted it. It is the most viewed Instagram story I've ever had. I have 260,000 followers. 140,000 people saw that story. I got thousands of DMs from people being like, dude, this was the worst year of my life, wife of 20 years, hit me with divorce papers out of nowhere, took the two kids. Like, I didn't see it coming, lost my job, like got relapsed on a drug, whatever, it's been hell. This means a lot to me. I'm there for you. You're there for me. And like, those are messages you don't think about. You just think you're a fuck. I think I'm a clown in the wind. You know, writing my dumb blogs, doing my, I don't think my job is important. I don't think I'm doing a lot. I'm not some motivational speaker, some leader of men.

But to get DMs like that, you know, you're, it doesn't, it makes me think that being honest online can be helpful. Yeah. It's a different level of vulnerability though. When you have the following you do and you decide to be that kind of vulnerable. Yeah. Then there's always the fear of like, what if it isn't received the way you wish it was received? Totally. and yeah i i by the way i approach it with humility i don't i don't think i'm on a pedestal

rehabilitating the afraid nerves of some lost army of poor souls i i know that i'm just like all these people i'm flawed and broken but you know fuck it man life can be tough but like don't don't give up Yeah, that's it. Yeah. It's that simple. Just keep trying. I think that authenticity is awesome. Because also in the, in the, uh, interesting too, it's like the season of tires

comes out, like you're doing well in comedy. Like you would assume looking at Francis on the outside that everything is ascending more than it ever has. Yeah. Even the way you talk about divorce. It's like you almost talk about it. At least when I saw you at surviving, you're like, yeah, I've divorced. But you just kind of let it roll off to where I walk away from that conversation.

I'm like, damn. Like, I would not be feeling that way. follows me in divorce right now, but it seems like Francis is really just taking everything on the chin and moving forward. You say some lighthearted joke about it just to get a laugh to be like, all right. And it's a great defense mechanism. We got to go play gladiator. It's a coping mechanism. I think a lot of us do that, especially comedians want to assign humor to tragedy as a way of not, you know, showing themselves. But I'm very lucky in that my ex-wife is a great person and we were able to navigate it without fangs and claws and somehow remain great friends throughout. So,

you know, all credit to her. And I am now to a point where I can speak more positively about the experience. But, you know, for a while, I was just like, I was a mess. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting when you kind of just going through life and seeing a bunch of people and you think, oh, this person is doing great. This person is not doing great. And you can kind of like feel it in that moment. it and you kind of realize that like everyone truly is going through something like my 2024 had a lot of shit that I could I think it's like how you view it how what lens you decide to look through it is because there's a lot of good things that happen in 24 for me but at the same time there's like five or six things I could probably look at and be like goddamn

I could easily frame 2024 as a bad year absolutely it's all like a how you view it type of thing and I mean there's some things you can't come back from there's some things like the DMs you're getting that are like holy shit 20 years married someone just slaps your divorce papers relapsing on a drug, those types of things are are massive, nothing like I had, but it's just, sometimes you have to try and do your best to look at something in a positive light regardless of how bleak it might seem.

Totally, totally. And what choice do we have? Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, we are creators. We have, you guys have two podcast episodes a week that need to be on time. I have, you know, as much as I know

Dave would give me the leash to take a couple weeks to fucking lick my wounds. I don't want to disappear from the conversation. I know that this fucking river keeps flowing with or without you. So in the face of, you know, real shit, you got to bear up and make stuff. Yeah. It's like the sun's going to rise. Yeah. No matter what.

The world's going to move. So, you know, I just hit my marks and tried to keep. doing the job and I would say more than anything almost the job was what like gave me purpose and continuity and structure yeah um and just a break from you know the hell you're in outside of those walls yeah yeah exactly i appreciate you sharing that with us yeah absolutely uh i don't really have any reason anymore to hide much i don't know why i've kind of reached this like terminal velocity of transparency. And I'm not, I don't know why I did that.

I mean, I know that there are some things that I should probably keep private, but honestly, when you, when you get the messages, um, I almost feel like I, I owe it to people to like, you know, right? Like while people are watching, people are following along pretty closely and resonate with the, the words you're saying. Yeah. They don't just see you as, you know, the clown show that you fantasize in your head. Like, people expect me just to be funny all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think it also just lends depth, depth to sort of the character that I've developed. And as funny as it is to paint me as a sociopath and a psychopath, like, reminding people that I have empathy and be sad. It's always good that people know you. If people actually thought I was a real legitimate sociopath, it's not as funny. Yeah. If it's put out there, people believe it.

People still think I dated Jeffrey Starr. To this moment. To this moment. I mean, we had a night. You did a couple entanglements. But dude, living in that gray area is the sweet spot. It's kind of fun. I got to tell you.

One thing I've learned, and keep sucking Dave's dick is something he taught me. He's like, the greatest compliment I've ever been given is when someone was like, I don't know where Dave Portnoy, the person ends. and El Presente starts. He's blended his character with who he is so seamlessly that you kind of just take it all as one. And that gives you so much license and like playground to work with. Because nothing's off limits.

And people will laugh when they're nervous, when they're unsure if you're kidding or not. And I love that. Like my favorite content I've ever made, is stuff that like draws a line and causes people to like argue both sides and neither side really knows if I'm kidding. That's the traffic video. Yeah.

It's me stopping traffic and being like, I'm a hero. You can't cut. And half the world is like, thank you. You are a hero. Finally, someone stood up. I've always been too scared to do that. And then the other half are like, fuck you. I'll kill you if you ever do this.

in Detroit and like who how dare you you you know hall monitor guy and you just step back you step back and you let them to me like decipher what they've seen through their own lens it's like looking at a very confusing painting yeah this is what I see and your close fans are laughing because they understand the mad well they do and they don't like it doesn't really matter they as long as it just like moves something yeah Makes them feel the need to like weigh in. Yeah. You've provoked something.

You've stirred something. That's my favorite. Dude, one of my favorite things about Dave is his ability, when shit is like hitting the fan, like the sex tape thing. During 2020, the whole like Me Too cancel culture thing,

like Dave is the perfect person to cancel. And anything that I came up at any point, it would be like, he would instead of like having a like statement put out, like every other celebrity did, he would just get in front of a camera and be like, this happened, this is what actually happened. I can show receipts for this and basically just fight against the resistance of whatever people were trying to bring him down for.

And I think that stirred up a lot of things. You see Shannon Sharp, the way he had with his little Instagram live. Yeah. He ends up going to talk about it right away as opposed to getting behind lawyers or whatever might have possibly happened. And Dave's a big reason why people are now just getting in front of things when they know they've done nothing wrong. I agree. I think he's earned that.

that's a that's a tough thing to to build yeah where it's like we expect you to dress everything head on you know he said um on the unnamed show who was he talking about i think he's talking about grace leaving and someone was like no nda you can talk about this and he goes i'm not an nda guy everything's on the table for dave yeah you know and i think that it has infused in me as i say I have no, I'm complete transparency. That's just like being groomed in the school of Barstool. But like it would be so antithetical to who we know Dave to be if something came out about him or another person.

And he was like, can't talk about that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Y'all don't even know what antithetical means, but. I think I picked it up through the sentence he was saying. It sounded real smooth. Against who I need my wife. Against who we know him to be.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Antithetical is a great word. Thank you. Phenomenal. The whole vocabulary is awesome. But yeah, Dave is just enough of an asshole, but he's like, he stands on everything he says. Totally. He doesn't do anything behind closed doors.

Right. So with the no NDA thing, it's like, y'all go ahead. Antithetical. Brought that out of words. Got that popped up for you. Appreciate that. With him, like, yeah, the no NDA thing, it's like, Dave has nothing to hide behind because he, he's the same person everywhere.

Yeah. So there's no, there's no reason to be like, you got to hide this, that, and the other. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Should we pivot? Let's pivot. I kind of want to ask you about the, uh, the Las Vegas bombing.

Oh, God. Okay. Have you looked in the Sean Ryan podcast at all? No. Have you dove into this world at all? Conspiracies. Yeah. Not really.

I don't, what, like, is it a conspiracy theory? How, what would you, what would you call that world? I don't know. Reality. So I'm not, I'm not calling him a conspiracy theorist. I assumed that that's, that's what you meant. Like, let's say alternative explanations for phenomena that is presented to us. I had no idea Will was going to do that.

I kind of jumped in in like an improv sense of being like, let's just keep this going. So we'll go on. I just felt like I feel like it was, we were coming to a point where we could pivot the conversation. Totally. I feel like the talk, the talk of the internet has been that Vegas bombing wasn't like an inside job, a reverse sci-op. The car blowing up. The frame-by-frame was the guy dead? Is he really dead?

Have you looked into this stuff? at all. Can I be honest with you? Go ahead. I do not like watching videos of people dying. So there's a rumor that he was potentially already dead and the smart car drove itself up there. Real quick, and you never went through like the gore.com. No, I don't like that shit.

And that, by the way, ever since you are. Two girls, one cup. I hate that shit. People would prank me with it. They'd be like, dude, check out this video of my kickflip. And then it's a girl shitting in another girl's Every kid, every kid guy. You're like, what the fuck, man? I'm eating a salad right now.

Yeah. Paying Olympics. No, no. Fuck all of that. There was all. I feel like every, did you went through that too, yeah? Maybe in Nebraska you and the boys get together and it's like for whatever reason, somebody pulls a, pulls a laptop and there's fucked up videos.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Somebody shooting a Nerf, a Nerf football out of their pussy. Hey, you guys have seen that, right? I love how you whispered. plus you, dude. That is so funny. Okay, so here's a quick breakdown from what I've gathered on the New Orleans thing. This guy who was in this, like, was in the army.

It was in like a green beret, one of those branches. Oh, wait. This is New Orleans. Vegas, you mean. What did I say? You said New Orleans. Okay, well, he was also in the same branch. However, I was talking about Las Vegas. Yeah. This guy was apparently based on the Sean Ryan podcast that we watched. Somebody sent his guest in emails,

I'm assuming it's this guy, Alex, who is like, I'm, I know all this information. I'm going to do X, Y, and Z. do not release any of this stuff until January 1st or until after December 31st. So January 1st happens and I guess what people are trying to say now is that this was not a terrorist attack, the Las Vegas thing. It was actually like a reminder or like a there was not like ill intent of like blowing something up because you're going to take a Tesla that Elon Musk is like a warning shot. Essentially brags saying this is bulletproof. Joe Rogan shoots an arrow. even barely dent the whole entire thing and sets off fireworks and then this guy gets charred inside

of it so the guy they say that did do this they took the charred body of the Tesla and pulled the DNA from him and tested the DNA against the alleged guy who did its son those the DNA did not match it all so they're thinking this whole little something about October 7th like there's anybody who was a chime show bro the gun as well shirm you had a great point about go and grab that mic what was the point about the desert eagle? So in forensics, they said in every case that there was a suicide attempt with a desert eagle upon the person losing their life, a desert eagle is such a high caliber pistol, it would launch out of the hand.

It would like 20 feet almost. The pistol was found in his lap in the car. So they were saying that's pretty much impossible unless it hit off a bunch of different surfaces and then just landed in his lap. Which, I mean, that I mean, JFCK, right? is what I read. It feels like the gun could lead in the way. Allegedly.

Yeah. But either way, like, the best part of this, I know I brought up the Sean Ryan thing. I haven't gotten to listen to everybody's like, go listen to the first 30 to 45 minutes. So I've just seen the clip, the cliff notes on X. And in my mind,

I'm thinking, Francis, I'm sure Francis has a little, has a little angle or a thought on the conspiracy stuff because everybody's playing. There's so many different conversations going on around it, on if Sean Ryan's kind of, he's got fake stuff going out there,

if it's real. like all the sides are coming out. All the sides are coming out to where I have no clue what's real. No idea what's real. But that's the fun part about pocket is you can have to say things and hope that somebody who's in the comments knows more than you do. And you see a fun comment on YouTube in a little bit that I can now digest and say next week.

And you hope the guest talks more than we do so we don't sound like anything. We're like, oh, shit. Because we don't want to be those guys right now. Also in New Orleans, Bourbon Street, they have barricades where cars can't get through those that go down. The dudes who just drove through the street, usually those barricades are up and protect it of that. For some reason, they were down that night.

Getting reinforced for the Super Bowl. But why would they get reinforced the night before the bowl game? Do you think that's a coincidence? What do you think? Golly. Do you think we're safe in America right now? What do you think of the drones off the coast of New Jersey? This is taking a real twist.

Speaking of, Twisted T. Wonderful That's phenomenal stuff. Phenomalous stuff. Twisted question this week is brought to you by Twisted T. Is the government

fucking us, Francis? You know, look. I think I sort of process a lot of this stuff the same way that I feel about you know, alien lives and UFOs and stuff like that.

I bet that some of the conspiracy stuff or alternative explanations from what the media tells us are true, where there's a kernel of truth to them. Do I want to find out the truth? No.

I want, I live such a short amount of time on this earth. Choosing, I have enough problems in my own brain. Choosing willful ignorance as opposed to finding and hunting for the absolute correct truth is a more blissful way for me to live. Because if I did learn through hunting through files and fucking the local library and whatever, that the government had removed the barriers on Bourbon Street so that some lunatic could mow down a bunch of people. Like, what am I going to do?

What then? right and then if you're too if yeah then you're the one who gets killed or do I become too close do I become a soapbox guy do I do I stop what I'm doing and devote my life to pulling back the curtain

do I keep it secret and live with this sickening truth that I know about my government in America that I do I I don't I'm not thrilled with the American government and our leaders and all of that but like

if I believe that they're killing our own citizens intentionally, my God, then what? What do I do? Do I apply for citizenship somewhere else? Do I try to muster some like sect to foment insurrection to stage a coup? What am I supposed to do? What do I do? Does anyone give a fuck that I know this?

Am I the guy? Yeah. So do you think, the government is in on it? Flip a coin. That's what he's saying. He doesn't want to get. He doesn't want to know.

He doesn't want to know. We all love to flirt and try to find out just enough to where you almost get to that point. You're like, let me fall back a little bit. This is getting a little too. Yeah. I'm getting a little too loony about this. To me, it's like, I am the ultimate optimist when it comes to like bad, like, kind

of like Bert, when Bert's like, people die, but maybe I don't die. I'm not that dramatic. But I'm like, these things are happening. It's like, okay, but like nothing really has ever happened to me. I think I'm gonna be okay Like I'm kind of 33 years in the surf I'm kind of moving through I'm unscathed a little bit

All right Doesn't mean somebody should go do something But It's super interesting Yeah All this shit is this shit I'm not taking away from anybody Like obviously people

Tragic people lost their lives It's I'm not I know we're trying to like joke about It's not fucking funny So don't laugh But No I don't think we're joking about that I'm laughing

It's just crazy Optimist because my life's worked out really damn good. Yeah. And it's like, people are like, hey, Taylor, this bad thing can happen. I'm like, maybe, but I think I'm going to be all right. And it kind of sometimes, for the most part, works out.

Right. I get it. Whoever they are killing is a person we're not having to compete with anymore. So like, you said that. Francis Ellis said that. Government, whoever they're killing, and I'm not saying it's the Bourbon Street people, but like whoever they deem, if that's giving me,

you know, more job opportunities, by all means. I don't think I. said the thing I wanted to say. Is that what you're saying? Nope. Those are your words not mine? That's your idea of what I said.

I, however, did not say that. Ah, okay. I'm just saying, sometimes I look at these crazy things and I'm like, that's fucking nuts. But then I think to myself, it's going to be all right. Francis is, like, Francis's like, like, style and blogs on us are in real time right now. It's like you're explaining yours in like the fourth grade level. He's, he's explaining. Harvard level.

Yeah, at Harvard level. Yeah. So I'm just putting all of the smoke on him. All, all that to be. said, I think conspiracy theories are fun to look into. Yeah. They're fun. They're exciting. Could they be true? Yes. Your kernel analogy, that was real nice.

And there's a small little piece in there that's like, okay, there's probably some truth that turned into something. But to know everything, I feel like would cause you to go mad. Yes. So basically what I said was, we're on the same page. How about the Fox Sports One? I don't know if we should even talk about that. Wow. We just fucking poked holes in the truth of

a 15-person terrorist attack. but, you know, joy having sex with her co-worker. That's too hot to handle. I don't know. A woman, like moving ahead and her profession. As long as we say allegedly with everything. I just thought they could get us. With us saying the things we just said about that stuff,

it's like, oh, we're probably being insensitive in a lot of ways, but we're also aware that we're being insensitive. If we start going at joy or whoever, they could sue us. I'm just saying how about it. It's crazy. I'm just saying how about it. Wait, wait, hold on a second. if you posit things under a hypothetical or like,

I think this might have happened, they can't sue you. Right. They can't sue you for libel or slander or whatever. And by the way, the laws have become incredibly difficult to prove libel. And now it's the case that if you sue someone for liable, you have to prove that they

knowingly and willingly presented a mistruth when they knew it was a lie. So like if a paper wrote like Taylor LeWan is a terrorist and you sued that paper you'd have to find some email

from the guy who wrote the article to his editor being like I'm going to publish this even though I'm making the whole thing up. so we're safe is what you're saying yeah us being like allegedly us being like boy this shit at fox sports

is crazy like according to what I've read joy and acho and all these people were in some weird sexual kind of power tug of war struggle that some other poor young woman

got caught up in and and you know was silenced and offered crazy money for and like you know even if we offered some takes on that. The other part of it is like you guys are a humorous podcast, you're probably protected under parody law, which is to say we were kidding. We're kidding. Oh, we can do, so we can say whatever we want that. We're kidding. We're just kidding. Yes, that's, you're safe. All right. We'll go first. That's my understanding of the law. I think it's

wild. Number one, it's like, you know, something big comes out on a big corporation. We all feed on drama and all this chaos. I think it's funny that all of this stuff is coming. coming out with Acho involved because he hasn't tweeted like the last day. So it's like you're sitting back with your popcorn ready to see how all these defendants, the the white exec, Joey Taylor, how they're all going to respond to it. But it makes me think about you ever seen the, did I, did I ask you this last night? The morning show. Yes.

On Apple Plus. Yeah. I feel like that right there is the show that gives you a look inside of all these big corporate media, these corporate media companies. It's basically like Steve, it's all the power structure, people sleeping with other people. blackmail, just all the stuff that we all gravitate towards in like Netflix series. It's happening right now with Fox Sports One. And everybody's kind of like waiting to see how they're going to respond to all this. Because clearly all the legal documentation has come out from this,

from this woman who's came out about everything on Skip Bayless, Treypanger, $1.5 million. That's all out there now. And everyone's speculating videos are getting deleted from profiles. People are trying to use old videos to show all the different things. The internet's doing what the internet's doing and I'm like sitting back kind of like waiting like damn what how are these people going to respond in amidst all this chaos right look there's a piece of this that makes this so unique which is that there was a woman who was involved and knowingly involved and was using all of it for her own benefit correct this is the first time I can remember that there has been a corporate sexual harassment

story that's broken which wasn't almost entirely man does bad to woman right like a male dominated yeah I think what that's what makes this riper for discussion for humor see joy was you know

running the show yeah she was she was climbing the ladder she was playing chess yeah yeah I mean that is a very unique alternative to it's been, will usually goes on. Yes. It's just going to be crazy to see, like you said, how it all unfolds.

And then the obvious Netflix documentary that's eventually going to come out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Saw what AB had to say? No, what AB say. Go to the mic. A.B.

Said nobody wanted to fuck Jamel, huh? People are so funny. Who, hey, who here on the bus and squad would sleep with somebody to climb the ladder? Yeah. Yeah, but, dude. it has to be. There is so little sexually that I would not do to some of the most unbelievably unattractive people on earth to move forward professionally.

You give me a fucking Cincinnati bangle and you say I have to suck this dude's toe and I'll get a hundred grand more a year. Yeah, I'll fucking do it. Where does this pride ethics? Oh, get out of here, man. I'll do anything. I don't care. Would you suck dick?

You know, I'm sick and tired. We'll ask you a question. Would you suck dick? Well, there you go. I mean, there is a line, I guess. But I'm with you. I'm following you. But, you know, you got to suck dick.

Suck a dick to completion? Yeah. See, that's tough. Now do I have to take it down the gullet? I'm sure you could spit. I'm sure you could spit. Mm-hmm. He gets to choke you a little bit.

Grab your red hair. Wow. But you get a million dollar raise for the next time. Boy, you know, look, I mean, fuck, man. Am I crazy for like entertaining the idea? Is that hyper gay? No. Or hyper-motivated.

Yeah. Am I just that ambitious or really tired of inching forward by posting a post three days a week and fucking, you know. Also, gag me out, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You could shit on my forehead tonight. if it meant I could skip seven rungs on the ladder. I'm tired of going the scenic route on my career.

Fucking jump me ahead. If you're telling me I get to headline radio city music hall tomorrow in exchange for one, you know, post-dinner dump on my forehead, fucking hell yeah. Yeah. I'll get down there. I don't have that much integrity.

We've got something for you. Yeah. Whatever. You heard it here first. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, man. I don't think I'd... Those are my couple topics, hot topics.

Pretty good. The dump on the forehead, though, for money, that doesn't seem like a bad deal. No. That's somehow less bad than sucking a dick. Somehow, that's obviously... Yeah. Is that obvious?

Yeah, you take a shower. You're done. Think about it, man. Same with blowing a guy. Action, dude. To completion? What's the old phrase, dude? You can paint a thousand paintings

and never be called a painter. You suck one piece You're cocks or my I thought you were going to say You can paint a thousand paintings And you've still sucked a dick There's that too Yeah

Right and nothing If that's your thing If you want to suck dick Good for you That's not my back Well think of this How many men out there Have sucked a dick

For no money Great point I'm getting paid a million dollars I'm the richest blowjobber There ever was Right You know Kudos to me

There's that point That's a great point I set my price. I did it on my terms. That mouth's not for free. Let me ask you this about, um, fallatio. Isn't it kind of obvious that men would be the best at it anyway?

Think about it. I think that's like, uh, that's what we all used to say. Used to say. What do you mean? Well, it's like the idea that I know what I want.

Exactly. Right. I know how I would do it to myself. Since you hit puberty. and you realize that this thing's not just for peeing and you could mess with it yourself and you know you can go through a long goon session or however you're crunched for time on an elevator

or something like that. I gotta get this out quick. I'm thinking too differently. I need to be clear in the head. You know how to get that done quickly. Now it's probably similar to the same thing that you probably go through if you want to get things firing.

Look, I... A gooning is so funny, jelking all these terms. Have you heard of these fucking things? Oh yeah, yeah. We're very advanced in the world. I love it. I love these fucking terms. This is such a,

this podcast. This one specifically. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. Every podcast we do, man, might have been our best one. Contrary to what I may have just hinted at.

I actually have no, I don't know if men by and large, categorically are better at giving blow jobs than women. What I would say, just saying, I know what I want, so clearly I would be able to blow myself better than, woman, women have done things with me that I wouldn't have ever imagined of. And I'm like,

wow, that's new. I didn't know I like that. That's deranged. That stems from a poor relationship with her father. I have a great relationship with my dad. Maybe that would hold me back from, maybe, you know, making my mascara run from blowing myself. You know what I mean? Treating my mouth like a vagina. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to say about that. That would be my take.

Go ahead and read it, Cherm. On the whole, this comes from Dylan Seddon. On the whole, I'd say men give the better blow job because not only do they know what they'd like, any man sucking a dick is doing it because they genuinely enjoy it, whether it's just for the act or to make you come. I've enjoyed blowjobs off women over the years, but never had a toe-cirling experience like I do when a man sucks my dick.

We're going to have to edit that part out of the episode. That's the part you edited out of the episode. Welcome to Buss and Francis. I mean, I can find a flaw in this. I have a flaw in this, right? So we presume this guy is bisexual. I think it's probably safeish to say that he doesn't have a 50-50 indifference to being blown by a woman or a man.

So his toe curling, does that come because men are better at it or because he's more turned on by the fact that a guy is blowing him than a woman? Fair point. So what I'm saying? It's a fair point. Thank you. Thank you. That was beautiful. Yeah.

Well said. Yeah. What do we go from here? How about Sass just taking a shot at me a couple of weeks ago? I love that. And I love that I escaped Scott Free because I actually deserve somebody. You kind of did too. But I was so focused on Sass's body frame and how he was talking like that.

Yeah. And I was like, this is fucking nuts. Yeah. Sass is, you have to remember, he's 24 and has no fear of offering some theories and opinions that are. I love that. What I didn't do in the next. next six to eight weeks is I need to go to New York without telling anybody, maybe just tell you and strip down to just like a speedo or something like that and go into a dark room and then

you bring Sass in there, but hey, we're doing some content here. And you close the door behind him and I just put my hands on him for a little bit. So he knows. Just so he knows. Now, I'm not, no intent, but I want to see it. Just embrace him a little. I want to just embrace him. I want to pick them up. Yeah. Put him in the air a little bit. Hold them down. Hold them down. Say try to get out. I'll with one hand I'll hold him down and I'll start a timer on my phone I'm like you have one minute I love this

and just see how long it takes him to squirm his way out of there yes yes all that while just wearing as minimal clothing as possible I'm trying to think that just is a better way of going about it to happen I think that needs to happen

and that's great my toes my toes might this is sass yes that dense those nipples are insane I think those nipples are insane I think

Those are edited, right? A little bit of... Would you say about Taylor in the... We call that the National Geographic Filter. What'd you say? You came to my defense a little bit. Well, then I... Yeah, because then I realized how stupid what I'd said was.

So fights has been quietly, like, working out as if he's, you know, training for Bud's training or something. Yeah. Like, he's... And he sent me a workout that he had done, and I tried to... go through it top the bottom. First of all, it took me like an hour and a half. And I'm not like screwing around on my phone, taking long water breaks, nothing. I'm going as kind of as quickly as I can. And it was all like supersets, you know, different body parts. And he was like, yeah. And he kind of just said it wasn't that hard for him. And that was, it was on the heels of that that I made the comment

of, I was like, I think fights might be the strongest guy. at the company at this point and I think I said maybe maybe even stronger than Taylor and then SAS was like oh he's definitely stronger than Taylor and I was like then I was then I was like I don't I don't know about that yeah and then I realized I don't think that I don't think fights I don't think anyone's stronger than Taylor no I don't think anybody is it's a low bar what do you mean oh at the company yeah bar stool it's it's like I'm not but but but but but but you're also also strong. I think you're just like...

But to their point, I am not as strong as I used to be, not even close to as strong as I used to be. Fair, but let me ask you this. Like, let's say that you, you know, you didn't have any injury reasons for preventing you and the fucking, you know, Ravens called you tomorrow and said,

like, we need you for wildcard weekend or whatever. Like, we, you know, divisional playoffs. How quickly can you be game ready? Well, that's a difficult question because I'm 50, 60 pounds less than I usually am. Yeah. But if it was like, look at that. Yeah. That's a unit right there.

Hit the backside on them. Showing the backside. I mean, dude, if there was no injury issues, yeah, I'd be able. I'd be next year. Dude, pull up a photo of Richie Incognito. You want to see. I've met him. You have.

He's a fucking terrifying guy. A body. But there's no injury issues. go and play, yeah, I mean, that would be, that's just a unit of a man. That's a guy that you hand him 150 pound dumbbells. Don't tell him what the weight is and say, do 20, he'll do 20.

Of curls? Yeah, bench press, whatever. Yeah. I don't know if he's curling. No, he ain't curling. But he is just, and that's a bad photo. That's a fat, that's a fat, richy photo. That's got to be, I don't know.

But he is, maybe the strongest human being I've ever been around in my entire life. Yeah, try Richie Incognito, shirtless, oil, very little clothing. That'll give us a better idea. I was kidding, but that's good. I mean, he's a tank. Yeah, he is a tank. He's a fucking tank.

Oh, that's a tough photo. We're going to do a TMZ photo? So, okay, you wouldn't, weight-wise, it would be an issue. White-wise, it wouldn't be an issue. But, yeah, I'd be able to go play. I mean, if there wasn't any injuries, I'd still be playing. What would be your prep over two weeks to get game ready from this day, no injury issues at all? Like, what would you do over two weeks?

Would you start eating a ton? Would you do? Yeah, my playing left tackle? Yeah. Then I'd have to eat an exorbitant amount of food. I would have to have three to four shots of olive oil a day because that's just calories. I would have three heavy calorie dense meals along with three. shakes as well. I bet you I can gain

should I probably can gain 30 pounds in two weeks, 40 pounds maybe. And you're doing that while you're also doing like footwork drills and lifting? Yeah, that's going to be a hard balance when you're taking in that many calories. But yeah, I would have to do

probably running. I think running I would do the most of because like I'm not as strong as I was but if I had to compete for 60 minutes conditioning would be a huge issue right now. So I would probably do as much conditioning as possible. I'd be obviously super rusty too, past blocking, but I think I'd pick that up halfway

through the second. We did a thing with Justin Pugh, me and Dana Beers, had him, and he told me that, you know, he retired, and then the next year in the playoffs, the 49ers called him, I think, and we're like, hey, we've had some injuries. Can you come?

And he was, you know, 25, 30 pounds under the weight that he was playing. at but he he was never that big at his position and was just you know kind of quick and so he was like he was able to get there and uh felt like he could have gone in and wasn't like that far off no shit yeah so he actually went yeah he was on the team that's crazy yeah that's an interesting question these types of shirts don't flatter me i look like i have man boobs i don't have man boobs It's all right. I think you look great.

I don't think you look good there. You obviously have THO going on, but I feel like your pecks look, did he hard on? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, these gyms are chilly. These gyms are. How small is that gym? Is that the smallest gym ever? It's one of those places in New York that's for like personal training exclusively.

Got you. It was all we could kind of get. Yeah, what's it like trying to exercise in a place like New York? Because I walk around there and I'm just thinking to myself, there's so much stuff going on. Yeah. And they'll just see like a big planet fitness in the corner. Yeah. It's just like, do you go there or do you like do the personal things?

I don't go to planet fitness. Where's your gym membership at? I go to Lifetime. It's like in my building, luckily. And I try to just go at like off hours. Lifetime is a nice spot. Lifetime is nice. It's a well put together establishment.

Yeah, I like their, I like their situation. Luckily it's actually included in my rent. So I don't even have to pay for it. You were saying while we were at surviving Barstow that you'd like to your health super seriously. What are the things you've changed? Well, you know, one of the big things that I've really taken up that I enjoy is cooking. And I like cooking really clean, really simple. And I find it like makes me in the same way that doing laundry, I find that these types of like household chores make me feel regimented, productive.

structured and like I'm taking care of myself. So I like that a lot. Being outside, being like getting out of the city and going up to my place, upstate and just walking in the woods. I leave my phone in the car. If anyone passes away, I won't be there. But that's a risk I'm willing to take for a two-hour walk through the woods. Yeah, just like listening to the fucking.

wind leaves all that shit and thinking you know and then yeah a lot of it is like you know when i catching myself now when spiraling thoughts start and realizing like okay this thought pattern is not productive and typically before i would just like follow it all the way to the bottom and now i'm like let's let's hit the pause let's like go in another direction let's recognize what's happening here and make a change how did you like obviously you said you followed it all the way down the bottom at what point did you realize you would do that and then how did you how do you essentially somebody who's listening to this podcast right now they're thinking to themselves oh I have the same issue how did you construct a way to where you could see yourself heading towards the cliff and being

able to divert to go a different direction? There were, I mean, there's a couple things. You know, first of all, therapy. Two, I finally decided to go on medication. I went on Welbutrin, which is like a pretty common antidepressant. And then I haven't been able to really stick with the meditation stuff, but I've done a few things. and one of the things I remember taking with me from some of it was that, you know, negative thoughts and distracted thoughts are going to come through your brain.

Don't try to stop them. Don't say like, ah, fuck, I've lost focus. I've lost my positive energy or whatever. Just let them flow and then flow out. Look at it. The analogy they used was like, think of the brain waves or your brain is like a road. where there's traffic and there's cars driving by. And instead of trying to like kick those cars off the road,

just watch them go by and then reset your focus. And it's totally fine. Being able to like recognize the negative thoughts that I was happening and not be like not giving them so much weight and not succumbing to them. but rather just being like that's no that's not right that's a

that's you know just something I need to like process and and move on from and sometimes I'll even do it out loud if I'm alone which sounds crazy but if I'm like really

kind of churning the wheels and just in a negative place I'll just like find myself being like stop this is bullshit you know let's go in another direction let's move

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Yeah. Yeah. Are you a ball guy at all? You guys talk ball? Yeah. I just, let me just, I'm going to miss my flight, so I'm just going to tell them to rebook me. Oh, do you need a roll? I've missed it, so I don't care.

It was worth it. It was worth it. Who gives a shit? All right, right. Sorry about that. Yeah. I don't care. No.

We're so sorry. We are so sorry, man. Just let me. I'm going to miss. What time was the flight? 140. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What time is it?

It's one. He can make that. At 140? I don't even want to. Yeah. You make that? I'm sure it'll be fine. I don't care.

Because he's like, how long are they usually? I was like probably like 90 minutes, but little did we know we were going to have an absolute banger of an episode. I was glad to hear it. A bunch of different twists and turns too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was honestly awesome hearing all the stories. Yeah.

It's fun to, I mean, it's so weird to tell it all that quickly. because it makes me realize that my time at Barstool especially has been fucking insane Yeah It's been utterly insane But I wonder how many people

At this company Have a similar story Right Yeah or they're fearing the things That you've been through That's why I watch this It'd be like holy fuck True

But I just feel like You know My My, you know Ria could write a book about her journey obviously Big Cat Kevin my God I mean there's so many like people for whom the last seven odd years of working at this place has been a thousand pages saga it's an odyssey whenever Dave Big Cat and Kevin decided to hang it up for real like not just sell to another company for a couple of years and to take it all back but if Dave Dave Big Cat and Kevin and then someone to facilitate the conversation and then just tell that the story of Barstool and their insinouts and their things because it'd be interesting

to hear that dynamic. Do you want to hear this is really funny? Yeah. So before you the episode you called Dave to ask him a question and I said what it would take for me to call Dave on the phone is so bad that like even seeing you do that casually is just baffling to me. It's like you have a direct line to the emperor. And my correspondence with Dave historically has either been because he's about to fire me. I have to tell him something horrible has happened and we need to get ahead of it. Or like, you know, it's not, it's like use and break in the case of emergency is how I get on the phone to call Dave.

Yeah. With one exception lately, which was during the show, you know, they, you know, they, They showed me telling Dave that I had the idol, and they omitted a lot of information, which was that I did so because I saw that someone had gone through my bag, and I was consulting with him to ask him about it. And I blogged about this, and then Dave agreed and was very kind of vocal about it. And he was like, I don't know why they didn't include that. And he started texting me about it.

And he was like texting me a lot. And he sent more text to me. about this and being like he was texting me as if he was like my my buddy and being like yeah i don't know why they didn't include that i thought that was a pretty good angle i mean the fact that you you know gave me the idol is like an important piece of the show and obviously this made you look kind of stupid which i didn't agree with and then he's like what do you think of this like that that that and i'm like what's happening right now like are you are you about to fire me and and and and you know i was like trying to just hold it together and text him back and it was he sent me

more texts in that exchange than we have ever texted each other total in the seven years that I've known him. Let's do a twisted question. Go ahead and pull that up, Sheram. Pull a little piece up there real quick. Yeah, you want to pull the ad read? You got you want me to do it? I can rip it. All right, go ahead and rip that thing. This twisted question is brought to us by Twisted tea. Twisted tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with a real brewed tea and five percent, five percent alcohol full of flavor and very refreshing. Twisted tea goes down smooth and there is absolutely. absolutely no carbonation, which makes it easy to drink all day long. Twisted tea feels fun and celebrates extreme fandom on game day.

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Do the second one. Oh, his voice is awesome. I hadn't heard it. Do you want me to do the second or which one? Would you rather play a villain that dies and win an Oscar for the performance or a hero and never win an Oscar but have a trilogy as that character? Hmm. Is this to me? Yeah. I mean, it's for all of us.

Oh, cool. It's for all of us. The trilogy really throws us off because it was super easy until you got to the trilogy. See, I don't think it, I don't think so. Not for me. That's a villain, winning an Oscar all the way. the amount of opportunity that comes from that, the ability to do things,

then after that, maybe you become a hero, do something else. But to have an Oscar in your hand on your shelf and to achieve a 1% of 1% thing in the acting world is, that's it. That's the answer.

Yeah, but a trilogy. Yeah, but you, yeah. I think the implication here is that if you do have a trilogy as a superhero, you're making oodles of money and that I guess we'd have to assume playing one role as a villain winning an Oscar. Maybe it's like more of an indie film.

I think we should take a license to like divide the two and say that the villain role does not come with the lifetime fuck you money that the trilogy does, right? All right. Yeah. That's a great pivot because I'm going to go with the trilogy hero. Yes. Clear.

There you go. It's never been more clear to anybody. There you go. Even before you said that. No, I don't think so. I think it's just super easy. Villain. Oscar performance.

Awesome performance would be nuts because, yeah, I wasn't aware of the indie thing. I don't know how Oscars work. Yeah, I didn't think this one through. I mean, it doesn't necessarily. have to be an indie but like that to me more more interestingly kind of bifurcates the question so come on man what's bifurcate you motherfucker dude we had fun for a little bit with those words bifurcate is like i think divides it into like two more different uh options yeah divide into two branches or forks

you almost nail that yeah um hey that's impressive i want to like i want to i want to i want to make this harder. Do you know what I mean? Because if you're saying like you win an Oscar as a villain, but the movie grosses a billion dollars and you make 40 million bucks from that, versus playing a trilogy, no Oscar, but you make, I don't know, a hundred million, more money, I guess. Yeah, like if you're considered Captain America forever. It's like, I think the answer is obviously the villain because you get the money and you get the respect. Yeah. But if it's an indie film you make 500 grand but you get an Oscar

versus you know John Wick or Captain America or whatever Jason Bourne I don't know that winning an Oscar necessarily lends or leads to gigantic

film options and success the way that maybe it once did because there's people winning Oscars now who you never even fucking heard of you know okay so the Oscar is in the wateredown market for the Oscar well not so much i still i think it still carries the same cachet and is very well respected and is

baller having it on your shelf is sick but is it sick if it's on a shelf of a split level ranch house in a shitty neighborhood yeah yeah that would be wild you give me the trilogy what are you taking francis it's hard yeah i think in just as they can make a movie's like taking out the the fame and the money with i just feel like having a trilogy would be sick I think you got to think about the career too like okay take the money part out let's say you win an Oscar the that's the pinnacle right winning that best actor

Oscar if you have the trilogy and you want to continue your acting career there's that worry that you might forever be just seen as Batman if that's what you care about but if I'm seen as Batman and I love it I know what I kind of said I was thinking to myself it's not a bad thing to be thought of as Batman as soon as Batman came out of mouth I was like fuck

mm-hmm that's everywhere you go like Batman Yeah. They just say, oh, Will Condon. Can you say that line? Why do you want to kill me? Oh, my God. He fucking does it.

It's how good of an actor he is. I can't believe you didn't win an Oscar. Would you rather be Vin Diesel or, you know, Adrian Brody? Who's Adrian Brody? He won for the pianist. He's this guy. He's always kind of like this sad sort of... I'd rather be him.

Interesting. You'd have to know that Vin Diesel thing. thanks to making fast 400. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just barely has to work. And like, he doesn't have to, he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to work. But like, he doesn't even need to read scripts.

He knows his next job is the next fast movie. Yeah. And then after that, another fast movie. I think your example of the two actors, one, I've seen the pianist. I think it's a great movie. It is, yeah. Didn't know who that guy was. And I kind of like the, uh, he's also the multiple, the multiple dimensions of an

actor of like having like range. so cool. Yeah. Vin Diesel. I don't like Fast and Fier's. I think the Fast and Fier's movies are terrible. Terrible. Every single one.

When I saw... You didn't like one through five or six? When I saw somebody, I don't remember which one it was, going to head-on-head collision, fly through the air across a whole entire highway, land on another car, and then go like this. Talking about Liddy? Yeah.

And Kev-Sure. Sure. I was like, this shit's not for me. I never sparked my interest. I was never about it. Right. So based on those two actors, I'd rather the guy

I can't remember his name already. Adrian Brody. I don't even think... Well, Heath Ledger. I don't think you can add Heath Ledger to the other side because Heath Ledger has had indie Oscar success,

but he's also had major blockbuster success. And to that same thought, I don't think you can add Christian Bale, who you could argue is an incredibly versatile role-changing, shifting actor who's able to dive into

completely different roles and be nominated for an Oscar every year. However, he had the trilogy as Batman, which grossed him tons of money. True. Let me ask you this. But for our simple brains, if we're just talking Batman,

would you want to be Christian Bail or would you want to be Heath Ledger? I'd rather be Heath Ledger. Well, without dying. He's dead, yes. Do I have to die? Yeah, but this is the only movies we make. You're in one if you're Heath Ledger. I would rather be Christian Bail.

But the one I'm in, everyone's like, that's the best one because of the villain. Yeah, but the others are still pretty fucking. Pretty fucking good. No doubt. No doubt. Hardy was incredible. That is that. I think this is a great distillation of the question. God damn it. I think this is an unbelievably, you know, just like boiling it down. We've boiled it down to a perfect example. I'll let you know what the definition says. So who would you rather be? I, I, uh, it, yeah. Um, yeah, you've, uh, you nailed it. Boiled it down. I said. Yeah.

So, by the way, I'm never going to get one of these words wrong, so we don't have to do this. You're just going to have to trust that I have it right. Literally a confidence statement like that, I actually just trust you now. If you want the definition, I'll never question you again. I'll tell you, and we don't need to double check. Fair enough. That was so fucking stupid to me. I will never do that again.

By the way, I'll never get one of these wrong. Would you rather have? This is hard. This is hard. Great twisted question, Mitch. I would say... Sorry to get off with a bang. I would say that...

I'm going to go Heath Ledger. And I think it's because nobody really says the Batman movies were great because of how well Christian Bale played Batman. The Batman movies were great because of how well Christian Bale acted in that. role. That's not really what people say. The movies are great and he does well in them. He does great, but there may have been other actors who would have serviced that role well.

No, not him. But there's a reason they also keep rebooting Batman and like Robert Pattinson did a different take of it, but was great. I think that was a good movie. I think the reason that that trilogy of, you know, the, uh, the Dark Night, Dark Night Rises and Batman Beacon. The credit often goes to the director and the villains. And then like, you know, Michael Cain and the, yeah, the music. It's like Christopher Nolan, it tends to be the people around Christian Bale more than him. True leader, levels everybody up around him. Yeah.

Let me ask you. Of all the actors' careers, you see. right now, whose career would you want? It's hard not to say, Christian Bale, because he's had the blockbuster success while also being an incredibly respected actor for his nuance and craft. You know what I think is going to be like one of those actors you're like, I wish I had his career if I could pick a career to have eventually, Timothy Shalameen. Yeah.

Dude. He is a stunt. I mean, he was in Dune, didn't really watch a dunes. But I loved Wanka. You didn't watch Dune? I loved Wanka. You've been watched Dune? And I saw him on college game day, and I was like, this kid's crushing it.

And then I saw him on Theo's pod. And I was like, bro, no, his approach, bro. His approach is insane. If you like him now, your adulation of him after seeing Dune. That one up, Shirm. No, no, don't do that. Just have him tell us. Adulation is reverence.

It's, you know, praise and deep. Yeah, there you go. Excessive admiration. There it is. There it is. You're on fire. No, you got one of the words right that time.

He's actually kind of gotten worse each time. Reference means like, I'm taking full credit for that. Okay. Reference is like respect, praise, all that. I mean,

the word that I use is in the definition. I said, Shalamein and I've seen one and a half of his movies. And, yeah, I fuck with him, dude. Him on college game day was so impressive to me.

He's talking about college game day. And then him on Theo. Have you seen on Theo's podcast? Yeah. The way he just talks about his process and how he's going to do everything the best he can. He has a very weird cadence of talking that I find compelling. Yeah. You don't even feel, you have no idea what he's going to say next.

And I was going to say, if you have not seen Dune and you like him now, you're going to 10X that after Dune. Okay. Both of them. I think both Dune are the two best movies I've seen. he was blessed by Lilby the bass gun he attributes his success to it

I love Tom Holland I do love Tom Holland there's something about when he when he does interviews and you hear his British accent where you're like what he's that's awesome I know

I like their relationship he's shorter than she is he doesn't care beautiful short king it works also i love like the little clips of him just like kind of giving away spoilers on my instagram lives and stuff like that like his innocence about him is beautiful yeah i do love that he also walked away from the game for like two years just was like i'm not in a place where i want to do this right now and he plays a ton of golf he's really good at it charming boyish boyish love him who's that guy jillen hall he is incredible

He's amazing. I like him. He's had a great career. Prisoners. Phenomenal movie. Unbelievable. Yes. Haunting.

Yeah. Almost tough to get through. Have kids. Yeah. You will not ever want to watch that movie again. But he is so fucking good. That kid's good too. He did that one.

And then he did the one, I can't remember the name of it, but where he was like the murder detective who would show up to film. Oh. Nightcrawler. Nightcrawler. Yeah. No, I did. I got thrown off by the name. I didn't like that name.

That's a good one, too. Were they like chasing the news? What you were explained to me? How did we think of seven though? Yeah, I mean, it's not. Yeah, and seven's amazing. Nightcrawler is him being a little bit more like succumbing to ticks. He's got, there's more of like a off-putting acting in it, but it is him as driven and as like possessed as he is in.

What was the series on Apple Plus? He just did, presumed innocent. Yeah. Pretty good. I would give that a B plus. I didn't love it. Oh. You didn't love it because of the ending?

No, I actually thought the ending I didn't see coming was good. I just thought, you know, would she really fucking stand by him through all this? Right. Are you kidding me? You know, he's being like. I haven't seen it. Oh. Yeah.

Good show. There was a. There was. Seems like the way, in the way he speaks, it's like you know he's got high standards of him. Yeah. Yeah. What's your thought in Titanic? What's my take on it?

Yeah. Love it. Okay, good. Just making sure. Yeah. Haven't seen it in a while, but yeah. Love it. I didn't want you to be the guy that has like, there's like wildly loved movies,

but you're like, it's actually garbage. No, no. I thought, I mean, iconic. Genre changing, you know. Beautiful. Yeah. To have that kind of love. It's also, it's also the last movie where Leo has that kind of,

like, innocent, youthful look. where his his bangs are feathered and he's got this wispy hair and then he goes and starts doing all the dark shit like the departed gangs of New York and all of a sudden he seems to like age 10 years

overnight look up a Leonardo DiCaprio The Quick and the Dead I think this is a movie he did either right before or right after Titanic I don't mind the newer Leo the more like grizzled yeah there you go

he looks like a sweet boy Sweet, sweet boy with a six shooter in his hand. Delivers papers on the side. It's Billy the kid right there. Young kid with a dream. Yeah. This is a great.

Have you seen this movie? No. Phenomenal movie. What's it called? Uh, the quick and the dead. Very good. Very good. Pull up October.

I've never seen October. Never heard of October. Did you see the basketball diaries? No. Oh my God. That's Leo. That's a fucked up movie. This is Jill and Hall as a boy.

They launched rockets in a mining town. His father wants him to come down to the mines. Get his head on straight. But he says, I have dreams. Dreams of launching model rockets. How's it work out for him? Well, finally, his father says, in the similar way to Billy Elliott's father, seeing the light, he says, okay, I get it now. I get it now.

I see that this is who you truly are. Was that actor's name Gary something? Bucie. The guy on the left. So we do this thing called bus scenes, right? And, hey, Bray's not functioning 100%. It's called buses, right? JP will do this thing where he shows us athletes of different sports besides football players,

and then last week he did actors on us, and we did horribly. They missed Russell Crow. Ooh. Yeah, yeah, it was a tough showing. I got Russell Crow eventually. We had to play some Wheel of Fortune. Play some Wheel of Fortune. Nice.

Yeah, we got them. Makes sense. We definitely got them. All right. How we feel? It's been a great. Great show. Yeah, thank you. Phenomenal.

Thank you for missing your flight for us. Nothing could make me happier. This is a blast. I was really excited to do this show. That's awesome. Thank you. And it lived up to my hopes and dreams. We had a nice dinner last night.

We did. We tried hanging out, but Rue would just... No. Rue just stole Francis the entire time. She was being very selfish. That's what we want. I was like, hey, Francis is going to come over for dinner. and I've gotten Charo on like some of his blogs

and Charles thinks he's funny and she was like... That is generous and wrong. She was like, I don't care about anything. She was talking about the Barstall world in general. Yeah, but you said... She mentioned reading your blogs. I think you were like,

she read the blog and liked it more and she was like eh. No, no, no. But she was like, maybe Francis will play Scrabble with me because I never play with her because it's like, I'm never going to win in Scrabble against Charo. But we can't play Scrabble because Rue

wants to play Pretty Little Princess. So we're just playing Pretty Little Princess before it leaves. It was really fun. I got really close to winning and then the game got away from me. I had to give the mystery ring back. She took the crown from me. Yeah. It was kind of bullshit.

It felt like somehow she had rigged it, like she knew how to spin the wheel to actually have it land on exactly what she needed. But that takes a lot away from her. I mean, she played well. She played a good ball game. She played well. You can get away from me. That's awesome.

I'm glad you guys had a great dinner together that I didn't hear about until this afternoon. I'm glad you guys had fun, man. That's sick. Beautiful time, huh? Good time. For some reason, I just knew that was coming. Did you?

Just knew that was coming. And yet you still do it every time. What are you talking about? I'm with you, dude, chill. Just relax, man. You're good. Yeah, you're good. This is great.

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