Bussin' With The Boys - Fred Taylor

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

Recorded: March 25, 2022 | Arguably the most UNDERRATED NFL player of all time, Fred Taylor, joins the pod and provides us with some of the most unreal stories. Intro (0:00) Fred Taylor interview starts (23:14) Fred's college run in with the police (24:50) Playing a high school football game drunk (32:00) Getting paid by Georgia but not going there (35:25) Thoughts on the label "most underrated player of all time" (40:50) Current state of NFL and Jaguars (1:01:40) Fred's biggest regret in the NFL & Hall of Fame criteria (1:33:30) Not training for the NFL Draft and running a 4.28 (1:41:20) Dealing with shadey agents and losing money (1:44:20) Tier Talk Segment - Best running backs from the 80s to present (1:54:35) Locker Room Talk Segment (2:00:45) Pivot's dream guest is Donald Trump (2:07:20) End Pod (2:23:33) ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. WhistlePig: Use code THEBOYS22 to receive 10% off your order at https://barstool.link/PiggybackBSS IKON Pass: Score the best prices on winter 22/23 at https://barstool.link/IkonpassBSS Coinbase: Sign up at https://barstool.link/CoinbaseBussin for $10 in free Bitcoin Roman: Go to https://barstool.link/BussinRoman to get a free online evaluation and ongoing care for EDFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't want to. Thank you. I appreciate that. One for the boy. One for the boy. And you're wondering, where's Will? Where's Wilcompton at? Where's the guy with the most beautiful teeth at this side of the Mississippi,

the man who's powering through possibly a year 10 in the NFL, a man that gives his heart and soul to this podcast every week. And there's only really one answer for that. It's because we're still on Baby Watch. Baby Watch. Here we go. Baby Watch. Two times.

Baby Watch. Will Compton and Charles Compton, is still waiting on their beautiful. beautiful little girl, which he has not told me the name of yet, which is kind of frustrating. He has not had that child yet and we're going down the road. I know what moms are thinking right now. Anyone who's had a child before, they know that last month, and I'm looking in the back to a bunch of guys that don't have kids. That last month, every week, another pound comes, another pound comes. And it's a little stressful. You're uncomfortable. You got that

U-shaped pillow that maybe will stealing because I stole that from my wife. Because that's a good snuggle buddy. And it's at this point, you're just so uncomfortable. You got nothing to do with it, it's so frustrating. Listen up. I'm sure, and I'm hoping to God, it's Monday right now. Let's hit the Wednesday. When Wednesday hits, hopefully that baby is born, healthy, happy, mom's safe, Will gets a good old-fashioned crying, and we can all celebrate with him on our social media platforms of our choosing. Speaking of social media, YouTube, you guys have absolutely murdered it. The Brandon Shob YouTube video came out, and Will's got all the numbers all the time, and he bounces it back and forth,

Barstow, because he's a numbers guy, he writes stuff down. I'm not a big numbers guy writing stuff down guy. But the YouTube, the numbers, we're in the six figures, boys. We're in the six figures right now, and that's a big deal. And it's all thanks to the viewers.

We wouldn't be anything without you guys, right? We'd be a couple dipshits to sit in here talking about God knows what, while no one listens to us. What you need to do to keep this train going into the stratosphere, the train is a bad one. Getting this rocket ship to shoot into the atmosphere

is I need you, go to YouTube, go to your audio, whichever one, whether it's Spotify, Apple, that's the best thing about us, baby. We're everywhere. We're absolutely everywhere. You need to go, subscribe, and then do a little secret, unsubscribe,

and resubscribe. And you doing that along with the comments, the engagement, following Busted on Instagram, on, we have Facebook, correct? Facebook, we have a TikTok too. We got Twitter. All of those things you guys follow and engage. It just helps the number.

go up. It helps more eyes seeing it. It's a shameless ask is what it is. But I'm over here. Just a man having a prayer right now, hoping to God that you guys pick it up. Maybe it goes in your ear and it comes out your mouth and onto your fingertips. You go ahead and do those things for us. We love you guys so much. It's unbelievable.

Now we have a new little fun segment for you guys this week. A little cough. A new fun segment. It's called Shoutout of the Week. No Free Shoutouts. Now the issue with Shoutout of the Week, no free shoutouts, is every week's a new week. So there's going to be a different person every single time.

That person you shouted out last week, you may no longer want to shout out. And here's the thing about this thing, the bus is if you have an opinion about something, bang, boom, baby. You can go back on that thing 180, and I'm sure we'll get to that someday. You know your boy.

I like to flip-flop sides of you. Like, I'm flap jacks. You know what I'm saying? I got them things a little crispy and sometimes one's a little more cooked than the other. So let's start with a shout-out, no free shout-out of the weeks of the book. Sorry, shout-out, no free shout-outs of the week.

Let's go with the boys. Blas. Please hit me with your shout-out, no free shout-out of the week. So my shout-out of the week, this week, I don't know if you saw me tweet about it was actually to George Kittle. Oh, 49ers guy. Who would have thought? Yeah. A little biased, a little biased.

Yeah, yeah. And the reason being is I've never seen anybody take so much time responding to like all his fans and wishing them a happy birthday. You could go on his Twitter and just scroll on all the people he replies to and wishes them a happy birthday. So my free shoutout goes to George Kittle. The George Kittle, everybody. George Kittle, an amazing human being, an absolute talent on the field, a great guy. And the people signed in for a reason, right? He's out there.

He's only out there shaking hands, kissing babies in public. But he's doing the same thing on the social media. And I love that about you, Bloss. That's a good thing. We do stick to your roots on that. JP, what do you got for us on the shoutout? No free shoutouts of the week. Mine goes to not a person, but a country.

Oh. Okay. I would like to shout out Japan. Japan. One. Okay. One for the cuisine. All right. Got to love it. That's food fire. They dropped the video, the full audio video of Will Smith and Chris Rock.

Hey, shout out Japan. Shout out of Japan. Shout out of the country of Japan, man. Absolutely. Unreal. Got a little shaky with them back in the 30s and 40s. Am I right? Yeah, we don't need to talk about that. We're back, baby.

We're back because you let the whole video. A wild deal of the Will Smith thing. Chris Rock. We'll get to that in a little bit. Outstanding. Shout out. No, free shoutouts. Of the week.

Jack. What do we got for your shout out of the week, my boy? All right, mine's not a person nor a country, but an activity. Oh, we're just going to hit them all today. Yeah. I love them. I think that should be the thing, too, with this. It's not just specific to one aspect of life for a person.

But mine is eating out alone. Going to restaurants by yourself. That's a solid? Last night, I went and hit up my local spot, Nobles in East. Got some wings, got a couple beers and just, you know, enjoy the silence with myself. By yourself. It's just kind of one of those things you take it back. and, you know, it's just a beautiful feeling.

There's nothing else to describe it. So, yeah, shouting out, no free shoutouts, eating alone. God, eating alone is something special, too. He used to go back in the days that Benny's, no free shoutouts. In Ann Arbor, a little breakfast on Saturday mornings, nursing that little hangover, and have a little time to yourself, eating them grits, eating them potatoes, eating them eggs? The fire deal, recharges the batteries. That's a great shout-out, no free shout-out of the week.

Yeah, you got to get right with yourself where you can get right with the world. No question. I love that. Hey, shout out. Oh, that's a stabper? Scapper or clapper, baby. We're stopping and clapping up for the jack on that one. An ideas, man.

An ideas, man. I like it. Garrett, what do you got for your shout-out? No, free shout-out of the week. All right. My free shout-out is going to go to the PLL, the Premier Lacrosse League for joining ESPN. Oh.

Yeah, it's pretty big news. In 2001, the first, oh, Blas, tell me to scoot back. Yeah, scoot back a little bit. Hey, that's all right. Yeah, yeah. The best thing about Garrett, folks. he gets, the more beautiful he is.

Boss wants him to get back a little bit. I like that. All right. So shout out to the premier lacrosse league because in 2001, the MOL was a thing, but nobody knew that there was professional lacrosse. That's beautiful.

We've now joined ESPN. I say we, like I'm, I did it. Hey, once a lacrosse are always across. Am I right? Exactly. Well, that's a stutter in the words,

but go ahead. But no, it's a big deal. All 47 games will be on ESPN. So tune in to ESPN this spring and watch the best sport on two feet. God. Outstanding. Just a bunch of men

sticks and balls chasing each other around, an absolute jaw-dropping experience. Anytime you step under the lacrosse field. It's unbelievable. The hacking, the chirping. It's basically hockey on your shoes. Yeah, on grass. On your grass, on your shoes. Yeah, it's the same thing, right?

We're not grounding. We're not barefoot out there, but it's outstanding. Hey, shout out, no free shout-out. La Crosse, everybody. Just the entire sport. You guys in the Northeast are absolutely loving that one right now. And obviously, I'm the last one on this bus. Moment of a sound for Will not being able to do the first shout of the week.

he will be missed. However, my shoutout came last night. And I know we're going to talk about it in a second. And I'm not picking sides here. I might pick sides towards the end of this thing because I'm a flip-floppy bastard like we talked about earlier. But a shout-out to Chris Rock for absolutely taking the most disrespectful thing

you can possibly get in your entire life, which is an open-hand slap from another man. All of us here have been once in our life, punched, pushed, or poked. and when you are any of those things, there's a fire that burns inside you. I don't care if you're baited. I don't care if you're alpha or somewhere in between.

Every time you feel that feeling, it's like, I'm going to kill somebody right now. I want to absolutely murder this person. Will Smith definitely has taken a punching class or something like that. He had two feet strongly, sturdily on the ground. He wound up quick, but he came fast. That man in his 50s has the fast twitch of a cat. It was unreal.

Chris takes this thing like an absolute movie scene. Hits it, kinks back, and comes, and he just goes, Will Smith slap the shit out of me. Now, here's where the shoutout actually comes in for me. The fact that my man ate it, blood's boiling right now, right? I don't know what temperature it boils at, but it's definitely at that Fahrenheit Celsius. Will Smith walks away. He is rattled.

He doesn't know where to go with himself. Then the man, Will Smith, says to him, keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth. Not once but twice. He doubled down on that thing. And this man handled it. I won't talk about your wife anymore. Stuttered through the documentary

and then he rattled through the Netflix joke, which we all probably would have loved if there wasn't just an absolute assault case happening right in front of us. But Aidt was a professional and got to the next frame. Got to the whole thing where he was there to do, which was present the documentaries. So shout out to Chris Rock.

absolute stud on eating them. And I feel like that's a decent pivot, boys. I want to get a couple reactions, and I want a little back and forth here, if you could. What we just talked about? Whose side are we taking right now? I know Blas in the back. He's thinking, that's a salt, brother.

He's a cop. You know, he'd have his ass pinned down pepper spray in no time, right? Cuff him the bad way, too. You know what I'm saying? We don't even lock that thing, so he jingles around a little bit and gets a little tighter, which happened in the Fred Taylor podcast, which you will hear in just a moment.

But Gary, you got the mic first. Let's hear what you think. I'm not picking sides, but back to your form on Will Smith's little right. Yep. He did play Ali in a movie in 2001. There it is. That had to be the reason why, right? He is.

He is. And then, man, he's tactical in that movie as well, right? He's a blind guy in that movie, right? You got to have your senses. I'm taking sides. Is I am legend? No, no, I am legend. I'm sorry.

I'm thinking Book of Eli, which was Denzel Washington. That's on me, boys. Both great actors. Both great actors. And I'm not upset with my fault at all in that one. You know what I'm saying? I'm taking sides and I'm on Chris Rock. Chris Rock.

It'd be different if he'd laid a joke down that was like really disrespectful, but it was an alopecia joke. Like, you don't have hair. You have a condition. You can't grow hair. That's going to warrant you coming in slapping a grown man on my TV. Like, it just seems a little soft for me. And like, we were kind of talking about it before here. But Will Smith's kind of been on this roller coaster the last two years.

Not just, not just himself, but him with his wife as well. Literally. And she's done nothing to respect him. I mean, she's been cheating, doing whatever and entanglements. And then all of a sudden, he's out here defending her honor. It just seemed a little shaky. So, yeah, the way that Chris Rock handled himself

just kind of took a moment, was like, that happened. And he's like, all right, well, we're going to move on. And true professional cannot wait for his next standup to come out because it's going to be probably a heater. It's probably going to be heater. The greatest night in television. Absolutely. He said that.

I think that you have to give a sure. shout out too to Will Smith going on winning a male actor of the year. And yeah, listen, his two minute and 30 second speech was a little shaky. That plane was tough to land. I'm not sure he really did land it. But damn, he got out there,

tears in the eyes, you know his emotions are all over the place. He knows he messed up a little bit by doing that, right? You want to defend honor? There's a lot of different ways to go about it. Probably shouldn't open the hand, smack a guy at all. But, you know, when there's a live performance going on, one of the biggest nights in all of movies and entertainment, probably not

best time to do it. J.P., what side are we on, baby? I kind of have a, I'm kind of on the side of maybe it was fake. Oh. I know. I leaned up in the seat on that one. I just think, I mean, like Jack was saying, so much stuff has happened with his wife

that he's never come at somebody. And then this happens. And it's like, that room is full of the best actors in the world. True. So you roll up there. The Oscars ratings have been down. it's been a mess and then now everyone's buzzing Oh the boy's got a bit of conspiracy theory going on right now

I got me scratching the back of my head thinking about that I'm telling you man Japan's the only reason I think it might be real Because of the audio Yeah I think I could understand that But him dropping a couple F bombs on that thing too It's got to be tough to think that that was fake

It's got to be tough The propitia thing or what is it? Propetia is when you save the hair right I think there's a pill you can take. Will's been looking. He's been Googling the whole thing. He's been going, hey, you can't shoot the boy down one. I mean, what am I doing, dude? What am I doing right now? It's terrible.

But I think, you know, listen, she might be super insecure about it. I'll tell you what. What's her name, Jada? She's a gorgeous woman. Hair, no hair, wig, no wig. Beautiful woman. She has an outstanding bone structure. I love she's got to glow to her.

I don't think she should be upset about the no hair. I think she looks phenomenal. Yeah, she used to be a Tupac. I did not know that. there you go, baby. You're making history two times in a row, right? And what, a 30 year difference? Way to stay on the map, honey.

I love it to death. Bloss. I want two things from you, Bloss. I want to know whose side's run as a pedestrian. And I want to know what your ass is doing if you are in badge and uniform in L.A. that night, last night. So shout out to my buddy, Corey. Corey.

Yeah, I'm a buddy to elaborate. Yeah. So he had a cool quote that I kind of. that I kind of took and I like reworded it. It was like people will judge you for what you did but not what happened to you that made you snap. I'm not saying

that it was okay to handle that situation that way but it's something to think about. People want to talk about you know what exactly happened and stuff like that. They don't want to talk about the underlining issues and what got him to that point. Something had to get him to that point to snap

knowing that the world is watching on that stage and knowing that his acting career could possibly never be the same. So, the human side of me is thinking about that. And to that point,

real quick, before you jump on the police part, you know, when they showed him first, he did the G.I.J. and two joke, Chris Rock did, they pan over to Will Smith and Jada

and he's got the smiles on. He's got them pearly whites in the air, right? And he's smile and laughing. That's a good chirp. He likes it because that's what we're doing, right? We roast people a little bit,

whether it's the SBs, the Oscars, that's kind of the deal. Now, something must have happened in a transverse, where he looked at his wife, she was mad, maybe she said go do something.

Now, I'm not putting wounds in his mouth, right? I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I understand. I understand that quote. I like a little, I like that on a Monday. That's nice. And for you listening, that's a Wednesday. But from a police officer standpoint,

what do you got for me, babe? That's the definition of assault right there. Oh, my God. So what are you doing? Are you going to escalate the situation and go arrest him right there? You're going to wait until the closes. Get a couple ushers to grab them.

Yeah, I mean, in that moment, you just, you got to know where you're at. You got to know kind of what's going on. You're not going to go up on stage and you're not going to arrest him or do anything like that. But first of all, he's got to want to prosecute. And knowing Chris Rock, he's probably not doing that. He said he was not doing it. You're a team Chris for that. I mean, because he's like, you know, he might have crossed the line.

Might have crossed the line and probably understood that and took that smack to the mouth. And still was like, no, I don't, it's, we're good, you know. That's a man's man's man. Do you think at any other point they go settle in the back alley or something like that? Maybe them too? Because Will Smith's got a head and shoulders over that guy. You know what I'm saying?

Usually the comedians are the next pay-per-view fight. I like that. Rough and Rowdy. Maybe Jake Paul puts one of those things on. Hell, Dana White might even jump in, right? The UFC. Get something done there. Send him over to Japan.

Hit one of those little deals. You know what I'm saying? Get some sushi. Carb up with the rice. Get the protein with the fish. and have at it in a kickboxing tournament or whatever they do over there. No disrespect. Listen, I love the shoutout.

No free shoutout. Of the week, boys, I think you all did a phenomenal job. Blas, thank you for giving us a little insight as a police officer. We talked about the Chevy Silverado. Now it's time to talk about what we're about to get into on this podcast, and that's Fred Taylor. One more shout out for Fred Taylor. I think he was outstanding.

Obviously, you guys know Fred Taylor from being Will's words, not mine, the greatest Jacksonville Jaguar of all time. Now, this man during COVID, or right before COVID decided to do a thing with IAM athlete. When Pivot was on before him, Channing, and well, R.C. wasn't a part of I.m. Athlete. But Channing was, and they kind of dove into that. If you guys want to listen to that podcast, after you're done listening to this, you're more than welcome to, and tell us what you think. They're a part of IAM athlete and they broke up for whatever reason, your opinions, and decided to do a thing called the Pivot.

Now, these boys are blowing up. Shout out to the boys. I know we're clapping a lot this episode, but there's a lot of love to give out on this beautiful Wednesday morning. Fred comes on, talks about his times in college, talks about him taking the bag from Georgia and dip it on him, go Gators, giving them the chopp as he cruised out of there. Then we hit a little bit of what it was like in the NFL.

I'll tell you right now, I think the man's a party animal. When he was out there, he had two of his best games he's ever had. One of his biggest regrets was maybe, I guess, in turn, drinking too much and cramping too much before a game. But that's on the NFL. You know what I'm saying? You don't do IVs at halftime at that point. Maybe it's you guys who'd be in a little bit behind.

you know what I'm saying? Maybe I should jump up a little, be a little more progressive on IV therapies and making sure the body's right. Also on Fredford and not drinking as much. But the man could have had a single game or record, am I right for the rushing if I'm getting that right or wrong? Talk about his favorite guest he'd like to have on or his wish list guest he'd like to have on his podcast. And let me tell you right now, there's going to piece and people listening on here that's going to have a couple opinions on that thing, right? Because it gets a little political. And we choose not to do that on Bustin with the Boys. Why? Because some of you guys watching our demo, some of you guys watching every pubbies. And at the end of day, we're all just loveies. Am I right? We're all just trying to love these. That's all we're trying to do, boys and girls. And if I start picking sides with you,

you might think different to me and vice versa. I'm not a big opinionated guy. I kind of am, but not in this sense. So if you guys, if you guys listen up, I think you're going to have a phenomenal time on this podcast. I think you're going to have a roller coaster

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Is whiskey your go-to? I drink everything. I don't want to sound like I'm a lush, but I drink every fucking thing. Yeah, what's a lush? You know, you're fucking drunk or wine or alcohol. Oh, an alcoholic. Like he's ready for any of it. Like what do you guys?

Yeah. Like I can go to a party and I'm like, yo, like, what do you got to drink? What do you want to drink? drink. Give me a hidden scene and code. Nah, we ain't got in a C. Or give me vodka and something. No, we ain't got vodka. Give me some whiskey. No, we got that. Give me some wine. No, we ain't got that.

I'm a drink, whatever. What bar are you going to that doesn't sell those things? Let me get a head of scene and coffee. Okay, I guess. But think about it. If we don't get that. Everclear, you take me down? I'm out, dude.

But think about it. Hey, we just got Everclear. Hey, we just got Everclear. That's good. I ain't fucking with that. You got a chaser with that? No, that's all we got. If you go to these, uh, uh, uh, Charity event.

Yeah. It ain't top shelf all the time. It's just some stuff to get the people through, right? Yeah. And then a lot of times at the charity events, like, we don't have that. We don't have that. All right, give me, you know, whatever the fuck you got.

I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you got to do. I'll drink Jack. That's that college lifestyle. In college, you kind of just drink whatever. Because you ain't have no money.

Yeah. And you're drinking a beer at one point, then all of a sudden there's a big bowl of something. Right. And you're drinking that. It's a blue color. Right. The next time you got vodka.

when you'd make up some jungle juice. Oh, my God, dude. The hunch punch. Yes, and you wake up to the next morning, like, we're good. So my senior year, Jack Quess Green and I, we was getting ready to go pro. So all of the other guys, they were there, nobody had money. But we ended up going to South Carolina, get our advance from our agent, the guy we were signing went. We did like a 50,000 advance.

Damn. We flew to Carolina. Almost died. The plane was like, that shit was like that. We got there a day. We went to a spot with B-Y-O-B. You go on there, you see ass and tits. You had to bring you a drink.

Right. So we lined that all up. We went back to Gainesville by the cash. You know, we were rich at that time. $50,000. We were good. Hey, you see $50,000 now. You're kind of like, holy shit.

So all of our boys, we ended up throwing a big, like, this big old pool party. Drinks, drinks, drinks. We had everything. But then we'd end up getting 10 bottles of. to Everclear. And make the little spike punch, the hunch punch. With the Hawaiian punch. The Hawaiian punch.

Fire. Pine apples. You know, just putting the cutting fruit, throwing it in there. Damn. You can throw anything in there. Just throw it all in there, right? So the drunkest, best college party we ever had was that day. God.

Got it in, dude. It sounds like it was a phenomenal time. The drunkest I ever had been was not a phenomenal time. No? No, it was terrible. You don't remember it then. No, I remember part of it. I remember bits in pieces.

It was a big deal. This girl tried, this girl got mad at me. And then her boyfriend wanted to fight me, but he didn't want to fight me. And he was about for me to Jack. And I thought he was real up close. So I swung on him and spin.

I thought he was real up. Swing on the porch. There was a few of them. Yeah. No, there was actually three. And they're like, pop the trunk on this guy.

And I'm like, oh, fuck. But I, you know, my buddy puts me in the car. And the next morning I'll wake up. And I'm like, why have my pants all wet,

piss the bed. And so I go back. And I felt terrible. terrible. So I was like, like, she woke up, the girl woke up at the morning and I was like cleaning up where I threw up in their house. It was a house party. It wasn't like an individual one thing. The guy you was going to fight in his girlfriend. Yeah, it was his girlfriend's house party. And I threw up and then they tried to kick me out. And then for whatever reason, I thought throwing up at a house party was totally fine at that point.

And I shouldn't be kicked out. So I'm on the lawn. It always goes on the lawn. That's what you know it's bad. I'm on the lawn. I was fucking dude. It's like him and his three buddies. Turns out the dude's like a semi-professional box. I'm about to get banged. Didn't even know about it. And I see this cat. I put a haymaker on this dude. Only issue is just six feet away.

So I fucking, and then spin in a circle and knock out in all their trash cans. It was a fucking deal, man. But I felt bad to the next morning, hung over. You know, it happens. It's college, man.

College anything is legal, just about. That sounds aggressive. Yeah, anything is legal, man. It sounds like something I can't sign on. You sound like you got some good college stories. Yeah, college was the shit, man. college was so fucking good, man.

I remember going into college my freshman year. I was the fastest guy on the team. Damn, weird flex. The fastest guy on the team. And I know, right? And we went out for Halloween. Best holiday ever. Keep going.

So we went out for Halloween. So our plans was to go out and just throw eggs at all the frat houses. Yeah. Just bum everybody with eggs. But instead of eggs, we were at the calf that day. And they have these little, that little small baby pump. The pumpkins, the squash. Yeah.

You know, like the little shit that's just sitting around. It's the fun stuff. Yeah. So we just stole all of them. Yeah. Just loaded up their bags with that. We went and bought like 10 dozens of eggs. Yeah.

All of us went out. Ten of us went out. And we went to all the frat houses. We were just walking around campus, throwing eggs just for the fuck of it. Are you guys hammered too? We was done. Yeah. Okay.

So we walked through a few alleys. Anybody that walked past us, we just got the eggs and point blank, smash on the face. Oh, you were a boy. Bullying. Oh, you were a bully. We were just having fun. It was having fun. Yeah, it was having fun.

The boys in Michigan were telling a little bit. Right. Right. Just y'all. So it was a freshman, just stupid. Guys from all different places, right? Our freshman class. So we went out and I guess someone called the campus police who we had dispersed.

We were all running. I got with this one guy. He was like a sophomore. Later on, I found out that he was a guy that you don't. want to hang with because he wasn't smart. Yeah. So we both hung, we hid under a utility truck in the utility parking lot, like this parking lot.

We got under the truck, tops were on by, pops right. So he was like, hi, it's cool, we can go away. The stadium was 100 yards that way. We got out, we started walking. All of a sudden you see a car come, it's the cop, this campus, universal police. Yeah.

They pull out, we start running. I'm talking about I'm 20 yards away from the stadium. The fastest guy on the team. I go down the hill. He went some way. I went this way. A guy, freeze! And I stopped.

Yeah. He put the fucking plastic cuffs on. He's like, you're the rookie. Plastic cuff. Yeah, the little ties. Yeah, the way too tight. He put those cuffs on me, man. threw me in the back seat.

Then he looked at me. He's like, you're the kid that was just one of the Gainesville's son and all the magazines. You're at number one recruit. Taylor, right? Yeah. I already called it in. Oh, Spurie was on the phone.

All the guys looking down, the guys that got away, they're looking down from their dorm room in the stadium back in those times. And they're looking at me. I'm just in there like, yeah. Very next morning, 6 a.m., I'm snaking the swamp. From the bottom to the 99th level. Yeah, the nose bleeds. Three times, Post-Spirit did not play around with me.

Long story short, I'm the fastest guy on the team. I'm the only guy got a guy. How the fuck did you that happen? That's wild. You were probably tired with the boys, too. You were the not smart one. You told me the not-a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-a-ha-ha. Yeah, no, you know, I was following him.

Yeah. Because I knew he knew where to go. I hadn't even learned the campus quite yet. Yeah, it's really like that. You know what I'm saying? And then back in those days, we had to come in, like, early fall or summer B or whatever. now they can go in the spring

and get a whole, you know, four, five, six month head start. But back then, we can only go in in July, August, or something like that. Yeah, but whenever you come into college. I wasn't used to the campus. Yeah. So, yeah, I followed him,

and then he went left, split-second decision. I went right, like, fuck that. You know, I was in front of him. I didn't know which way to go. Boom, I got caught. I feel like whenever you get to college, whether it's the wintertime or the summertime,

you still got that, I don't know, three-month period where you really don't know where shit is. You don't know anything. You don't know anything. The cottage was the best, though. Dude, college is the most fun. I would argue that high school football is the most fun because it's kind of like you're all on the same level

kind of doing your thing. Right. But college, you can't really beat it. Especially have a good class you came in with. Like, my class was like the same way. We all hung out together. We had a blast. We partied together.

It was an awesome time. I did something on every level, though, man. High school, I remember back in the day, it was Scholastic Sports. They used to get the top guys come down and film their games. And if you made Scholastic Sports, like you were, you know, big, big stuff. Yeah.

And they called my coach the day of the game and say they weren't going to make it. Broke my heart. Yeah. So I decided to go out and drink as many 40s as I can before the game. We played, we were a 2A, 3A, you know, class. You must have been a monster in high school. It had to be a monster. This was my.

We just were some tetties, boys. Hold my beer. My seat. Some of the steel reserves. Man, you know, it was old English. Eight, eight back in the day. now, that malt. Yep.

And then I'm in Florida, so we didn't have 40 ounce. We have just 32-ounce quarts, is what they call them. Yeah. So I had to drink three of them in order to be 240s, right? Yeah. So I remember coach said, hey, no, they canceled. Something happened with their travel arrangements. They're not going to come.

I was like, all right, fuck it. You know, can I curse something? I guess too like. Yeah, absolutely. You know, whatever. I'll see you guys when it's time to check in. I made it to the campus after 340s. Got dressed, lined it up.

I had 350 yards on like 15 carries, five touchdowns. Oh, my God. Fort Pitch Central. I'll never forget the school, man. They were pretty dope. You know, they were like 5A, we were 3A. Best game ever. I started to drink some more fucking 40s the next year.

No doubt. Did you just keep that going the rest of the year? Hell no. Hell fuck. You want to do that. Nah, that was it. That was the one in the day. done. But it was, it was dope.

I think you have that kind of game on that kind of juice, dude. You had to keep that shit rolling. You would think so, but yeah, nah, man. I was like, you know, screw Scholastic Sports, you know, this was the one and done. Then the playoffs was the next couple weeks. I got a little bit more, you know, tucked in and

serious. But you had a lot of offers coming out of college. Or coming out of high school, excuse me. My first one was Tuskegee as a sophomore. Sounds solid? I played linebacker. I play linebacker. sophomore year. Peace.

And I actually got recruited by, as a linebacker by the University of Miami. There was today 45, 50 minutes away from home, too close. So I declined to go to UM. Plus, they wanted me to be a linebacker. But running back was my thing. I didn't know it at the time. It was just naturally a running back. And everybody offered me except USC.

And. Higher school, by the way. One other school. but USC was the one that stood out the most because I wanted a letter from them because they had the same colors as my high school unit. Yeah. You know, that was a big thing for high school guys,

at least back then for me. Yeah, probably still is. Yeah, so I decided, what was the coach, John? John Wooden? Shit, I'm not that fun. I'm laughing, but I have no idea what I did. Basketball coach. Yeah, basketball.

I forget his name, but either case, what's it, Robin's? or something, I don't know. But they didn't recruit me. And I felt bad. Yeah. I wasn't going to go to Cali yet. You just wanted them all.

I just wanted all of the schools to, at least the school from every state, to recruit me. Yeah. But I committed to Georgia. They paid my shit a ton of money. Yeah. They end up going on probation. Hey. So I heard, and you correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that Georgia left the duffel bag of $30,000.

I heard it was $50,000. I heard it was $50,000. Either way, you can correct us, but they left you a duffel bag to sign. with them over Florida. You ended up choosing Florida and kept the duffel bag. It wasn't a duffel bag. Yeah. But it was a gang of cash, man.

Hey, 30 or 50? It was up there. It was close to another zero. Closer to 50? It was close to the 50. And those were the days, man. It was the days I would just go over to this guy's place and say, hey, I'm in West Palm. I'm visiting my mom.

Oh, I'll come by my place. thousand, 15, three grand. Every time I went over and I went over three, four times. Yo, that's so savage, man. I didn't know any better, man. I took all of my guys with me, my best friends in college. It was four of us. And if you saw me, you saw them and you saw all of us

dressed alike, we had the same cakes. I was just blowing through that money like it was nothing, man. I took care of everybody. Sounds like it was more together than... Yeah, we were together. I know, I'm saying together. Yeah, no, no, not like, like busting on. on the bus.

Yeah. Bus and in the boys. No, but my guys are my guys, man. I took care of them, you know. Yeah. We were all solid. And when I would go, he'd make sure I have something to take. He'd say, take care of your buddies, you know?

Damn, who is this man with some extra cash rolling like that? You know, he's an amazing dude. You know, I don't even know if it's safe to even say his name now. Yeah, I wouldn't. All these years later. Right. But he does so much great stuff in the community outside of that. But the college is new.

that he was a guy that can take care of all the players. Well, you're good in the community. You can be a scum back. The Rosenhouse. Yeah, exactly. Rosenhouse. Up and coming, the up and coming athletes, like, he was so connected. Was it your Rosenhouse?

No, it wasn't Drew. Yeah. Did you sign with Drew coming out of college? No, I did not. Yeah. I'll get into that. It's mind-blowing. We'll go, we'll pivot right back, but it's mind-blowing that kids even signed with him.

You saw that with the pivot? I saw that. I like that's dope. But go like, keep going. But actually, I can say his name. It was Mr. Cali. Mr. Callaway. Yeah, he's amazing.

Callahan Auto Parts? No. Callow. Callow. Right. But I know, right. I mean that fraud too. My game is garbage anyway.

It doesn't matter what clubs I use. But Mr. Calloway, he was so amazing, man. But he took care of the kids in the community, right? And these colleges knew that he was the bridge to the players. So went on the NCAA investigation for all that, everything. I remember the NCAA came to University of Florida and said, hey, um, We heard that you guys were taking money, myself, my childhood, best friend Reedell Anthony, who played at UF, a few other guys.

I denied there. Denied, denied, deny. At least that was my mindset. They said, before you continue to go on, we just want to show you this and this and this photos. Of you taking money? Of us over visiting Mr. Callow. Oh, my God. What ended up happening.

No deny. A bunch of dudes, same outfits? Oh, we were doing him favors. I know, right? How many times are we going to try that? I don't know. So Georgia ended up going on probation for that during those times. You didn't get any trouble.

I didn't get any trouble. Florida didn't get any trouble. There were other schools that I visited didn't get in any trouble. It was just Georgia that took the hit because they were paying the bucks. Actually, Michigan State paid me. Yeah? Some big cash. Michigan State paid you?

Yeah. I'm surprised. I was never going there. Yeah. Why would you? Michigan State probably about $2. 20 grand. Yeah, that's...

Man, you were real in 1994. I mean, 20 grand now is a high schooler, bro. Hey, I had $7,100 in my pocket at one time in high school. I thought it was the fucking man. Did you get that from college? You get that pale grand money? You think you made it, bro. You know, really good.

Money, did you guys used to gamble with it, too? No. I was smart. You know, all the fellas would be in their gambling their pale grant and stuff away. It's like, look at these idiots, dude. That you just got this money. Unless you win. Unless you win.

Unless you win. Unless you win. Unless you win. And it's all about that. But dudes get so mad. But dudes get so mad because you're in college, like once you lose that money, that money's gone. That money's gone. That's true.

Like, they get tight. Like, come on, let me win it back. Then they want to double another, triple another. They're playing other sports now. Nah, UF. We had this one guy. This one guy got kicked out of school because they ended up getting them on drug charges. He was actually using his pell grant to buy weed and flip it.

He ended up being a dope dealer. That really is a smart deal. I mean, unless you get caught like. He had to get caught, right? Certainly unless you get caught. But those days were, it was something, man. I didn't realize I was that good. Even in the NFL, I didn't realize I was that good.

You kind of just, you look back on it, you're like, damn. Like, fuck, God gave me so much talent. And I don't think I wasted it. Because at some point, I sort of matched the hard work with, you know, everything else that you needed to take it to another level. But early on, I just woke up on a fucking 4-2, 4-3. Like, it was nothing. After some 40s?

Oh, yeah. Easy. I'm talking beer. I'm talking beer. Oh, yeah. No, that's what I'm talking about. Okay. No, he was on it.

He was on it. I think he was looking the whole time. You're legitimately argued, like, the most underrated player of all time. Like, would you put yourself in that category? It's, unfortunately, I guess I have to. But that's based on media standard, right? Yeah. If you line me up, if you go and talk to my home meal,

I'm going to link up with a little bit later, Keith Bullock. One of your guys here at times. Yeah, Bulley. You know, you talk to bully. You talked to Ray Lewis. You talk to Ed Reed. You know, you talk to Troy Pah Maloo, Derek Brooks, Warren Sap. Name anybody that was on defense.

These coaches, talk to Coach Dungey. You know, the coach that was here, talk to Jeff Fisher, you know, talk to Coach Coughlin, Coach Belichick. All these coaches that had the game plan for me, they knew what I presented on the field. I knew I was a problem. I'm sure they wouldn't say I was overrated. I mean, underrated. But when you talk about the media.

The accolades that come. Yeah, the accolades and the media and the timing of, you know, from season to season. And, you know, those different accolades that carried each year, I missed a few of them. But my numbers were still just as good as some of the guys that received those nods in front of me. It's just, I guess that's the nature of the markets in the NFL. Do you think the reason why you were overlooked in those ways with the same numbers is because you were playing at a franchise that was so young? One.

Yeah, that would be one for sure. You know, and another thing is you have to... I got a call time out just real quick. You got this hair and I've been staring it the whole time and I just got to be a boy and I got a company out. I've been, you know, I had this fucking pivot. Thank you. What are we doing this right here? Yeah.

All right, cool. Yeah. But either way. Yeah, so one thing. been in the market. The market wasn't great. No, not a great market, not a good market. And then when you're not winning, when you're winning, it's easier to get those eyes on you. So my first two years, we were winning. That was great. But then certain times, certain moments where I would be injured, right? And then we're losing. So you sort of get swept under the rug and people sort of

forget about you. And then even other moments when I would go out there and bust my ass and do well, I just didn't put together back-to-back seasons doing that. So it was just the timing of that, the injuries, along with the markets, then, you know, no one never really knew what I was capable of unless they were on the field, lining up against me every Sunday. I think it's just crazy to look back on because you played 13 years. You have, like, 42 records for the organization of Jacksonville. And you only had one proble, one of which it was like an alternate, right?

Yeah, that was the only one. Does it, like, piss you? Did it piss you off at the time when you weren't getting the proble? and when you look back, does it piss you off now? Well, yeah, I got to keep it 100 with you. I always will. Yeah, it was some shit, man. You know, I definitely...

I was trying to stay focusing. I know, right? I was trying to stay focused. But, no, man, you know, you... You push... You work hard. Hey, listen, we're past that. You know, Paul.

You're back in the way past that, dude. You go out there and, you know, you give it your all, man. You land it all out. And, you know, these are the things you expect at the end of the year. You look at other guys, you weigh yourself against what they're doing. And at the end of the year, when you're not getting those calls or the votes, you're like, what's going on? Right. Now, I remember a few times where my numbers were better than veteran guys that were getting voted in.

But then someone was like, hey, these guys have been before. They're going to get looked at first before the younger guys or the rookies get looked at. You know, so I had to, you know, I took that L that way. But then when you throw in the whole marketing, the market and the injuries, so I missed a few. But yeah, I was still pissed. I was pissed at myself more so because of the injuries. I couldn't stay on the field.

So later on, I started figuring, you know, like, why can't you stay healthy? I thought I was doing everything right. But, you know, obviously hanging out three nights a week, going out, waking up to be at the stadium at 7, 8 o'clock. My output was still high. You know, I was still performing on a high level. It's just that, you know, over the stretch of a few weeks, my body started breaking down.

So I couldn't sustain, no any consistency. In the NFL, if you don't have consistency, you don't really have much. So with that, it's just the time, like I said, I always go back to the timing of things. And at the point where when they do decide to vote on the Pro Bowls, early December. My game always elevated from mid-November

to late December, January. My numbers were a lot better than they were early in the season. Ask me why, how I don't know. Yeah, that's really confusing stat because usually someone who takes care of their body usually has the best in the second half of the season.

While everybody else is doing this, you're kind of doing this. Right, right. But I started ascending more so towards the end of the season throughout my entire career. And it's one of the strangest things. So which also put me, you know, I always wanted to, you know, talk to the voters and the,

most of the immediate guys. And hey, hey, look, why do you vote for the Pro Bowl at the beginning of December? The season's not even over. Why can't it be as simple as taking the top three guys at their positions, whether it's, you know, the running backs, receivers, statistically, and just let those guys be the guys. Wouldn't that be easier? Then you take the whole vote. in the market, you take all of that out of the equation.

So what do you do with Alphets Alignment then? That's tough. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, but for steel guys, it's easy to just lay it out. Or, you know, you look at what the NFL's main agenda, they got to make money. They got to market the game. They got to market the players, right?

Right. So when the game was in Hawaii, the best way to do it is you got to market the players. You want to take the players that, you know, the fans. are very familiar with, and you want to send those guys over because all the Hawaiian people that were on the island, they weren't filling up the stadium.

Yeah. That was a game for, you know, the people that live inland to visit the island so they can enjoy the game or enjoy the week-long festivities before the Pro Bowl came along. Another tough thing about stats,

the issue, what that is, is like if you have like a receiver, let's say he goes off 250. The next week he has 46. Right. It goes off for 150 and the next week after that. And the next week and then the next two weeks he has under 100. Like, that's, if you have high numbers, you could have six unbelievable games.

Right. And so the stats thing is kind of tough when you're saying it's like consistency is all the most important thing to make the goal bowl. I think over the stretch of a back then 16 game season, you know, the numbers, they don't lie. Right. Right. Even if what you said, if you have a, no, a 240 and a 50, that's still. 300, split that in half. That's $150 average.

That's a dope-ass average. I'm taking that every week as it back. Yeah. You know, but... I think that's Derek Henry's average. He's a monster. He's fucking out of control. He's ridiculous.

Yeah, he's fucking good. I hope he definitely gets back healthy and do his thing. Contract time, right? He's got two more years left. Two more years. Hopefully he can hit it big. But, you know, that's a whole other conversation too, man, because it's about leverage.

They look at the age. They look at wearing tils. he's a big guy. They're probably going to bet that he's not going to be able to last, you know, so long. So I don't know if he can get the big, big check, but I'm hoping he does. You know they're going to run him. They're going to run him. And they're going to look at that.

And they're going to use that as an argument. Unfortunately, they're going to use, look, you're taking 300 plus carries a game, even in this NFL. Where it's the past Happy League, they're going to say, nah. When we talked about this in the podcast before. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. I think the NFL is more diving bag of it was.

pass happy about, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight years ago. And it's really the run game, the balance of offenses have really come into a thing where, you know, the 49ers, the Falcons, us, Jacksonville, Baltimore runs a 52% of the time. A lot of these teams that are having success are really finding more of a balance.

Right. Now you have outliers like the chiefs and stuff like that. I'm sure the charges are going to be baller that way. But the run game is really becoming a thing. And what I would argue that if I was Derek sitting here arguing, well, you run it so much. Takeaway last year, which, by the way, I think he still finished top 10 in rushing only playing eight games. That's ridiculous.

Unbelievable. Yeah. Top six, yeah. Like, he was number one for three weeks after, too. Every single year, he got stronger. He was like, you were talking about you were. He would get stronger. October would hit.

And you'd be like, all right. And then November, you'd be like, oh, shit. And then December, it's like, you better watch the fuck out. Correct. Because he just, he just takes care of his body and he just keeps fucking going. Right. And if he is a year, like he did two years ago, you go when he hit 2000 and with 17 games,

it's not crazy to say, like, let's just say he beats the record. As a franchise, you got to sit there and you got to, you know, that old Peter Griffin thing, sir, here's an empty check, do whatever you want with it. Isn't it crazy, though? I mean, hopefully he can get back and show him that he's healthy and ready to go and they can do right by him because I don't see any huge signings, you know, that you guys have done, even in free agency. You know, you haven't done what these other teams are doing.

They're stroking these 100,000. million dollars deals on five years. To have any 80 million guarantee. I haven't seen that with you guys. Harold got signed for an $86 million deal, which is great. I think he was very deserving, by the way. Let's go to. Oh, big.

That's big. We were able to talk about that. He's in-house. He's an in-house cat. Right. John, I think someone shows us has a history of showing a homegrown guys and when they deliver, he pays them. Got it.

Robert Woods. Now, a lot of people are upset because he hurt towards ACL in November. And I'm not saying what he's, going to do, we're not like that because my, my beginning of the year was tough. And they were saying, they were saying, Bud Dupree wasn't healthy until the end of the year. Receivers are a lot different, right? Like OBJ looked phenomenal when he was coming off his ACL.

So I think he, watching Robert Woods on film, the dude not only runs crispy routes and can get open and get some yak, but the dude blocks his ass off too. And so I think that's a bigger deal than people think. Hooper, we signed, who's a two-time pro boy who's with the foul for a little bit. and then with the Browns, I think he's pretty good.

Our defense, they just play the way they did last year. I mean, and the offense can get back to what it was two years ago. I'm really excited about this football season. A healthy Derek Henry, and we're starting to put pieces. But I agree with you. We're not. There's no like splash. We're not making splash things.

But in a lot of times, John's never really done that. Like, the biggest splash we've done was Julio last year. And before that. That was in terms of names, though. You don't ever do splash signings either. He kind of comes to that mold. He was more of a name than what from the pocket. Yeah.

I don't think you open the checkbook, you know, for Julio, but he's more of a big name. And I really thought he was going to come here and do some damage. I know, I took him high in my fantasy. Yeah. You know, Julio along the brown on the other side. You got Henry in the backfill. I'm like, fuck, they're going to get one-on-ones across the board.

You got to kill something. But, you know, that's just the nature of the business. But I'm rooting for Derek. you know, I like him to stay healthy, show that he's healthy, because he deserves a big day, big payday. But myself, you know, it's just timing, man. Timing was one of those things, man. And it's unfortunate, but I was pissed that I didn't make, you know, a lot of pro-bos.

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Why do you think the running back market is, I feel like it's not seen as what it used to be, like in the 90s, right? The NFL is trendy. I mean, they always say it's a copycat league. If one team say, all right, look, we can go with the two-headed months to get two guys for the price of one because of the injuries, you know, yada yada. every team is going to look at that concept

and they'll copy it. But every now and then you have guys that come along the Adrian Peterson's of the world. You know, the Derek Henry's, right? The king. These guys are going to force the issue. Hell, even Chris Johnson. Like these guys are going to beat every down backs, right?

And what can you do about that? Yeah. You know, but if you have a guy that's, you know, borderline, you know, I don't want to say mediocre, but just borderline. Yeah. Right. Then if we can get these guys and make them interchangeable, have this guy's a third down guy, have this guy, third down,

past specialist, this guy's first down, second down, short yardage guy, then you're putting two guys in there. So when you come back to the table, you have some leverage. That's instant leverage. Right. Because they're not out there playing. 60 plus snaps. So that's an argument for the guys in the front office.

But they do that across the league. But every so often, you'll have that one special back, that Sequin Barclay, prior to the injury. He doesn't have a nickname. You know what I'm saying? So these guys come, McCaffrey, Christian. Amazing pack. I love it. Yeah.

So, I mean. Struggle with injury. But he got, I mean, he got paid. Yeah, he got paid, you know, but the injuries are still there. Right, right, for sure. They're going to always question that. But going forward. come out with him.

I wonder what, like, the last couple of years, he's been injured. He's a small guy. It's a lot of wearing terror. They do a lot with him. He does everything. You play the pants. That 22 circle. Yeah.

Like, 40 times you have to. Legit. You have those touches and not just handoffs. But, I mean, he's probably scripted at least 10 plus pass plays in the passing games going into the game. That's not including the checkdowns off of play action. You know what I mean? But those are special talents that,

force the issue, so how can you argue, you know, what they're deserving of? But then you have those teams that they just believe in what they believe in, the Patriots, running back by committee. Yeah. You know, when I spent my time in there, you know, if you're, if you got the hot hand, you stay in the game. Regardless if you're the designated starter for that week, if you're the hot hand against whatever ball club, you stay in the game.

Yeah. That's just the way they run their outfit. Yeah, but the NFL is just noted that running back, You know, running backs are expendable. The value isn't there. Like back in the day, when the scores were, you know, end of a ball game prior to a lot of the rule changes, the scores were 20 to 14 was probably considered a freaking blowout.

Or 20 to 10 was considered a blowout. Nowadays, every team is putting up 30, 40 points because the rules changes, right? I've been a person, bad ones. Right. So back then, man, we said we're going to run. the ball. We need to run the ball 40 times. One back can get 30 carries, 25 plus. And that was this game. That's when they were paying guys. But now it's just, you know, the rule changes everything else. This is what we are. I think the money, I mean, in a lot of ways, the money is going up.

It is going through the rule. But not for running backs as well, though. It's like there's a few years where it's better for sure, but that's inflation. That's the cap getting higher. That's, right, right. It rolls downhill, right? The quarterbacks are signing. TV deals, the whole thing. the whole thing. Right. Right. And so...

By the way, that was a monster deal. And you, you've said that before that you're like, it used to be a top quarterback, like Deshaun Watson signed that fully guaranteed 230. Yeah. It's like a good domino to fall for, like, you know, players now. Everybody started doing that. Right.

For everybody, man, that deal was five years, 230? Yeah, that's crazy. And the Browns are dangerous. Insane. Yeah. The whole AFC really is like that fucking hot right now. It's getting nasty, bro. It's getting crazy out there.

I mean, but it is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all cyclical and it's just a revolving door man. What does cyclical mean? It's just a revolving door. Hey, you put one man, Fred on Spice. Oh, fuck. It goes round and round and round and round. But yeah, I know the NFC has, they all have their moments.

The FCC. I know when I played, the AFC was hot shit before I got in the league. It was the NFC. You know, now it's other than the Chiefs. You know, the NFC, they have some great teams. But I think it's a lot of balance in the NFL right now. But that money is ridiculous, man. But it's the TV deals, the outlets, all the different avenues that they can show the games,

get, you know, ad and sponsorship revenues in. And these players, man, they deserve it, though. Yeah. But I think it should be bigger guarantees for everybody across the board. Yeah, this has got to be the craziest free agency. I don't know if you've ever seen, but by far I've ever seen it in my life. It is. I mean, you're sitting there, watch, watch people get tight and trade left and right.

I'm over there. Right. Like that little gift of the black kid doing this thing. like I'm just like, oh, what's going to happen to your boy right now? Right. That's the whole. Like, in all of these, I mean, I mean, Drew Locke, no offense, Seattle, Falcons, Marks, Devonthe Adams to the Raiders.

Most of these big deals are AFC. What's crazy. What's crazy. Kahliel Mack and Joey Bosa on rushing both sides. Max Crosby, Chandler Jones. Absolutely. Tyree kills of the Dolphins with Waddle. They just got Mr. I&T, Jackson.

cornerback over in JC Jackson over in the charges. So the charges are, I think everybody's looking at what the Rams did, you know, in their motto, you know, in their new model. Trying to go all in. Yeah.

Copycat League. It's the copycat league again, right? And the dolphins have turned that Lamarie Tunzel deal into, I mean, what, five years later, they're still just scooping up picks and now sending them off. And, you know, you have to take those picks. You know, you don't trade a guy to sit on those picks and not do anything with them, right?

You have to make a move. And now is the time for a lot of those teams. You have, you know, Jacksonville, for example. I'm looking at what they traded Jalen Ramsey for. Two first rounders, I think it was like a third rounder in there and some other stuff. And the Rams have gotten the best of that deal because they went on in, they won a ring.

Yeah. This past year, Jacksonville has gone backward. Oh, Jacksonville has got a lot of garbage. And they have no disrespect. Kind of back-to-back years. Yeah. You know, and I can't argue that. I mean, I think the fans would,

I think they'll give me a pass if I agree with you and say the team's been gone. Well, because you're the greatest Jacksonville Jaguar ball time. But you have to be realistic. So having back-to-back first picks, back-to-back years, you know, yeah, I think that equates to be in garbage. You know, to argue both your points right there, Tennessee Titans 2014 had the first overall pick, 2015 at the second overall pick.

And so we've gotten, Look at what the Titans have done. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Just in the last three years. Able to build off of it. Able to build and build and build and build. And so, you know, that's the thing. Everybody, like Jacksonville probably won't win a Super Bowl this year.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? But they're not crazy to say they're not two years away. They could do something. They have a great quarterback there. I can't say it's not. They have a running back who's durable. It's not crazy.

They got guys who can rush the passer. Right. And I think they need to add to that, obviously. But it isn't crazy at all. You look at where the bills were. three years ago. Oh my God. You look at where...

The Bengals, by the way. The Bengals. Shit. Because if Trevor, if Trevor, like, starts to stay... You got those guys, you got those elite quarterbacks on their rookie deal, and you can start saying, fuck those picks, trade them away,

get vets, spend money, going on all this, put it all around them, because the Bengals are a perfect example of that. I understand this risk reward, right? But if I'm investing, my heart and money, I want to make sure my money's and companies like, you know, Apple, Amazon, I don't know.

Walmart's, world-dominating stocks. You know, all those companies that you understand what they're going to give you, right? You'll have, you know, a few fluctuations, but you know what they're going to give you in the long run. Opposed to potential startups, right? These unicorn companies that don't always hit the mark. Same thing with NFL when they go out and they sign these players, they're saying, all right, I can get this rookie. I want this first round pick.

That's potential. Yeah. I equate that to a startup. You know, the potential is there. Will it be successful? Who knows? You have me a guy who's proven. I want you.

I want to get you in free agency because I know what the fuck you're going to do. Right. You know what I don't want Billy Smow from Ole Miss. A hell of a name. Yeah, that fuck. I don't want him to say, ah, well, I got to wait, you know, three years. before I can really see his true potential.

Otherwise, I'm going to cut him because all those contracts are based on the first three years. The other shit doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, so then guys tend to grow later or they develop later. But if you want to win now, you look at what's on the free agent market. You take those shots. Yeah, you can build through the draft in the second, third, or third, fourth, fifth round, six rounds. Those guys are telling it.

They're the best players on the fucking planet. First rounders don't always mean you're going to be great. Yeah. It's just me, a lot of these guys are just hype. You know, you get a few analysts to say, this, Billy Schmo, what was his name? Billy Schmo. Right. Billy Schmo is great.

Sounds like a stud. Billy Schmoe might be garbage as hell. Might be. Look like Tars and play like Jane. Right. How many guys you've seen like that in college, though? It happens. God.

Man, it happens. No question. These guys, it happens a lot. The Chargers, back in 98, my draft, they took Ryan Leaf after Peyton Manning. Wow. Yeah. I said, I don't know how many years. But it was awful, right?

So, yeah, I think that these teams, you want to win? Always been a moment. If I were a GM, I'd say, let's win now. And it's not even free agency. I don't care about it. Fuck those picks, get them out there and get some of players. I'll look at the salary cap. We'll figure it out later.

Let's go now. That's why we're in the business. I think we all know at this point that the salary cap doesn't really mean anything. If someone says cap casualty or the cap, oh, they only have this much spending room, well, if you take five guys or let's say three guys that are making, you know, Canna Hill makes $22 million to say, hey, here's $21 million right now in a signing bonus and you're going to make minimum this year.

Right. But you just freed up however much money in cap. Oh, what about about? And you can do that over and over and over again. Going back to the potential thing, I had a coach in high school tell me that potential just means you haven't done shit yet. Right. That's all potential is.

Right. So I don't disagree. I'm not a GM. You know what I'm saying? Here I am. I'm still in the NFL, so I'm playing like the on the wall game right now. But I don't see why that wouldn't be the move now like the Rams did is saying, fuck the picks.

Let's go get whoever you want. And with free agency, it's like, it's not just free agency. It's everybody's roster. Yeah. Everybody's for sale. You got to be willing to jump out in front of the line early, right? You can't wait to see what the market is going to dictate. Just go get your guy.

Right. And that'll be the end of it, right? Buffalo, they went and got Von Miller. Now, Von Miller didn't have a great season. But they know what he's capable of to say, all right, we're going to give this guy what we believe he deserves. We're going to put the year, we're going to add the years on there. going to give him his bonuses up front. And everything else, in terms of averages, it helps, it's cap-friendly.

So they can go and pick a few other guys, but they took the piece of the puzzle that they felt they needed to take them a step further. And if they go a step further, they're in a Super Bowl. And even if, even if Von Miller isn't statistically as good he's been the past, which I have no doubt he is capable of doing that. His presence is something you have to be aware of. If I'm playing Von Miller, I'm very aware of where Von Miller is at all times. Right. I'm sleeping. but you have to be aware of where he is all day.

You have to watch a film. How much time is he on the left handle? How much time is he's in the right tackle? Wins he up in the middle. You have to be aware of where a guy like that is, that kind of talent. He's crazy talented. Right.

And he just fucking goes. And he lulls you to sleep too like an asshole. Like he'll take three plays and kind of jog off the ball. And you're like, I'm in this dude up. And then all of a sudden he jumps the snap because he starts to learn your snap count a little bit. And fucking, he's around the corner so fast. And he can bend, bro.

He can bend like crazy. He can bend like crazy. Once you overset his spin move is deadly. And because you have to get back so fast, his long arm, he will put you in the back of the quarterback, no problem. Savvy pro. He's savvy. Savvy pro. Even going back to my...

That's how Suggs was. Early, early in my career, man, you know, Vonn, you look at Vonn, he's a lineback. You know, now we got to get out the quarterback because we know they're going to be more dropbacks than, you know, you mentioned a few teams that are going to go run heavy. Yeah. That's just their philosophy, right? Obviously, your coach, Mike, he believes in running. the ball establishing that playing great defense. He's the old school guy.

Yeah. But some of these guys, they just want to let it rip. And majority of the NFL teams are that way. So you're going to get these tweeners is what they called them back in the day. I don't think they call them that so much more now. Yeah. The guys that were big linebackers that can actually rush the passer. But back in the day, they wouldn't put them there because they would fear the run game

and being able to obtain the edge. I would get outside on that shit in a heartbeat. Yeah. But when you have those guys like a Vaughn Miller, you pose a huge threat to offenses. But teams just, I think teams really just got to just dig in and make their moves and deal with it. I think Jacksonville will have a better season this year ago. Coach Peterson, he's back. I think Trevor would be better, you know, with all that drama that he had there.

Yeah, we got to talk about that, too. That shit was crazy. Yeah, there was a lot of drama there, man. you know, I think he'll be better this year. You think they'll win the division this year? I'm in Nashville. I'm always on here trying to set some shit up, dude. No, but it's all good.

You know what? I got to say this, though. I will say this. I don't think... Lightly, Fred. Yeah, I hear you. Houston was the top dog four years ago. Tennessee took that spot over.

Tennessee's been the top dog. Well, don't see even the coast now. It was always... The coast are nice now. The coast are... The Colts are always nice, dude. What's their identity? Fuck.

If I'm in your division, playing the Colts, I see Maddie Ice just went over there and they got rid of Carson Wentz after, you know, making the, they missed the playoffs because we won. Jacksonville won. But, yeah, that was wild.

I don't know if Matt Ryan is better than Carson went. Yeah, but you got Jonathan Taylor. You do have Jonathan Taylor. In their well-coached football team. Like, I know that. They're very, as an unbelievable football coach. I tell you what, their identity is the same as Tennessee Titans.

I really, and I really believe that. They're well-coached physical. They know the rules. They know how they use the rules to their advantage. And they play good and they're always, they're always Gap responsible. Their defense is Gap responsible. When the D-N goes inside,

it's not because he just has a whim. Right. Because he's, you know, he's told to. So his backers got his back. They play great sound football. I agree with that. And they are very much identical to what you guys have. Right. I think you guys have Tanny Hill in your system. He's been a better player since he landed in Tennessee.

I agree with that. I just don't know what the identity of the quarterback is in Indy. We know what they bring in the run game. We know what they do on defense. They can't let teams like Jacksonville beat them and split those games in the division. You guys don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't do that. So if you want to beat a top dog in the division, you got to crush the bottom, you know, pest or whatever you want to call. And you guys have been good at doing that with Jacksonville. Yeah, we let once the players Houston this year. The Colts haven't. Yeah, the Colts, well, they split. I mean, the Colts haven't done that.

They split with Jacksonville. They lost both times to us. And they beat Houston both times, right? Right. We beat Jacksonville twice, beat the Colts twice, but we split with Houston. And Houston with DeShan not playing and their coaching things instead of up in the air.

That was a wild loss. That was a wild game. It was a weird loss. It became a weird loss. There's a reason why it's any given Sunday. Like, the worst team can be the best team any day of the week. Very much. The Cardinals got their ass kicked to the Detroit Lions.

Right. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Like, it can happen at any time. But the Cardinals, like, it's the same thing, though. Like, you're saying, if you're going to be the top dog, you got to step on the team that's the division. But we'll just go ahead and cap this segment off and answer a question. Yeah, Jaguars are going to win the division.

They're good. I'm here. I think you'll be better. That's not a team you sleep on, though. Like, especially when you play in Jacksonville. God forbid it's in December. Right. Because you're so used to that Colton, you go fucking in Jacksonville.

Buffalo made it to the AFC championship. Yeah, they beat in like, what, 9 to 6? Nine to six. Yeah. And it was a great game for them at home. NFL, bro. Right, it's the NFL. But then they came back and you didn't see that same team again.

I think a lot of that had to do with Meyer, though. I just think you see all this stuff coming out. And all the shit you read is probably, there's half of it's true, half if it's not. But this whole thing with Tim Tebow, where you'd make the players wear the jury, and like Tim Tebow Tuesdays. I didn't hear about...

I missed that one. I know he and Timmy are they're super tight. Yeah. And I know those Tebow Tuesdays. And they cut them halfway through camp. They can't be that tight. Timmy's my guy. You know, obviously he had a lot of pressure on him for

even bringing Tim to the team. You know, a lot of people felt like there are so many other talented guys at that position that was worthy of a tryout, which is what Timmy basically earned, but, you know, or Timmy had, I won't say earned, but he had a tryout. And, you know, you just go back. Relationships are everything, you know, I always tell people it's not about, because they like to say it's about who you know.

Right. I always like to say it's about who knows you, right? That's good. Because you can vouch for me if you know me, right? Right. More so than me knowing you, I got to wait on a phone call. You might not call me back. But you can vouch for me.

And Urban, he knows Timmy well. You know, and he's like, hey, I'm bringing in and give you a shot. But a lot of people felt like there are so many other guys worthy of that tryout. But you totally just dismissed it and brought your homeboy in, you know, for the most part. And in the beginning, like, obviously everything panned out the way it has and, you know, they've all split up and all that stuff. Right. But in the very beginning, like, you're trying to build a culture, too, as a head coach. And it's like Tim Tebow, he's kind of.

Right. So you know how the locker room, you can lose the locker room so easy. You know, even when that happened, the guy's in the locker room. He was a joke. I mean, I loved him. Right. He's my guy. His foundation, what he does in life, who he is as a person, you know, who he is as an analyst. I always felt like, right, baseball player. I always felt like he didn't get a fair shot after doing what he did with the Broncos, you know, in the play. playoff run, all that different stuff. You know, he's not the conventional quarterback. You know, you go and you scripts himself around.

He's a fucking, he was a winner. He was a guy that would put his heart on the line. I mean, one of the best players in Florida. Right? So. He legit, I think he could have been in the league like a Tassim Hill, the Mormon missile. He could have definitely done that.

He could have been that dude. He could have definitely done that. So for Tim's, you know, I love Tim across the board. I just think that the timing of what happened in Jacksonville. You know, Urban coming back in with the bag of he was already bringing back into the NFL.

The strength coach, that was a red flag. Tim was a red flag. He go out there, you lose the game in Cincinnati, a tough game against eventually the Super Bowl, the guys that lost in the Super Bowl. You go up there and then now you're in your home state of Ohio. You're out there getting what they consider a lap dance and all this other stuff.

You didn't fly home with the team. with all that other stuff, right? You have a rookie quarterback who was dependent on his head coach being a leader. You know, so now the media is tearing him up. The quarterback isn't playing well. Jacksonville isn't playing well. Jacksonville's always, always considered one of the big and laughing stocks teams in the business of football. So just a lot of distraction on top of distractions on top of that.

So it was drama down there. man and I do their home games each and every week. I do their away games from my place, but when they're home, I go do end stadium analysis as far as for their media and the fan stuff. So I'm tucked in with them and following them real close, man. It was just, it was bad. The local media was beating them up.

The national media was killing them. I think it was the right move for the franchise to cancel. his contract. But again, I do think that Coach Peterson haven't taken a year off, have some time to evaluate the NFL and, you know, how the game is going now,

get creative while he's at home. He's the offensive genius, the things he's done in Philly, you know, for those four years, winning the Super Bowl. Quarterbacks, he's great, former quarterback who's going to be a great quarterback coach. I just think that with that,

along with the quarterback, his confidence is amazing. I think he's going to be great, man. He's got to be great. Now that the drama's gone, he gets to settle down. I like to see what Travis E.T.N. is going to do to help James Robinson to take some pressure off of Lawrence Trevor. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, I'm expecting the Jags to have a big year, and not just saying it because I'm a former player, just seeing there how old are the pieces can fall into play. I think they definitely will, when they'll be above 500. That's a big statement. No, I think so. The league is a 500 league.

It is, but I think they'll be above 500. Yeah. Yeah. They got a good defense. They put some pieces together there. I think they did a great job in free agency. They went up some big receivers. I think, honestly, I think they probably overspent a bit for those receivers.

Who are they in free agency? They got Christian Kirk. Oh, Stun, Arizona boy. What's my guy out of Carolina, Raiders? Oh, number seven. Yeah, Zay. Zay? Yeah.

Zay is good. And not to say that those guys aren't worthy of, you know, the contracts that they got. Those guys are really good players. I just think that based on the market, how the market was set, that they, you know, they went out there and took their shots in, you know, when you have guys like Devonte Adams out there. Cheetah, what he just got in the contract that he got. I don't think the Jags had the

draft liquidity to go get Cheetah though, right? Shit. They got so much equity and liquidity and cash, cap space. They had everything. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying draft picks. They only have one draft pick this year, right? The first overall pick, though. Because Devonte, they had to trade up some picks, right?

Cheetah, they traded some picks. They put, like, two first round picks. Really, the first pick in the draft really equates to two first round picks. at the end of it. Strong statement. I don't disagree with that. It all depends on the value of the draft class, too.

How strong is the- your need in the value of the draft? I agree. I think the first overall pick, this is what I've heard, this is not my own statement. So- Sterlingewan statement, go ahead.

What I've been told is the, like, this is the number one overall guy. There's no, like, this quarterback is the second coming of Peyton Manning guy in this draft right now, where I think that first overall pick would be much more enticing

to some team. that need a quarterback. Yeah, Jacksonville isn't that team. Yeah, I think Trevor's going to be a stud. He can sling that thing. He's got the beautiful Maine. He's killing it. Yeah, I don't, I don't see, well, I can foresee the Jags, in my mind, in my opinion, trading back, trading out of that spot.

Really? I don't, I don't, in terms of it. Who's a suitor, though? Someone who needs an edge rusher, like Aidan Hutchinson, who needs an office alignment like James O'Neill, which I think. you guys need. I think they do need an offensive line. I was told that I think you guys need. I don't know if Cam Robbins is a great.

Cam is solid. Joanne Taylor is solid. I don't think they've been as consistent as the team would like them to be to protect, you know, the number one pick and hopefully a future. Now to keep in mind on that statement, it's very difficult as an offense line when you're playing behind for every game. If you're losing games by a lot of points, you go in a half. You say, hey, we got to throw the ball out.

We're in two minutes. These rushers know they're pinning their ears back. It's not fair to Cam and Joanne. It'd be like these guys didn't do X, Y, and Z when you're playing from behind by so much. That's very true. And then you look at the little things, the things that, you know, I'm sure you go out there. You look at, you know, your first step. You look at your hand placement.

You look at your leverage, you know, a high hat, up or down. You know, you want to make sure you're solid. A lot of times when you look at these guys, you know, I, I, you know, I, I, I don't want to say it's always sloppy play. But when you see multiple holding and games, then you question their discipline, their techniques. And this is back-to-back weeks. Yeah, that's not acceptable in the NFL.

And a lot of times, too, you're right. If you're going to drop back X amount of times because you're playing from behind, at least script up something where the running backs are going to come out there and help the tackles. tip on your release, quick release, whatever it might be, you got to help the guy.

So I think we have two pretty decent tackles. Cam just got tagged, franchise tag. I think he's getting, what is it, 15 mil a year? Which is not very much money for the... 15 or whatever it might be. It's something like that.

There's something like that. But you got to go out there and earn it. Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do. He's been a stud at Iowa. He's solid. He's a stud, dude. He's pretty good. And actually, we just sent our guard to Washington in exchange for Brandon.

So I don't know, man. I think Jacksonville has enough equity to make whatever moves they need to make in the draft to make the team better. But I do like to start with Coach Peterson. I think he's going to, you know, I think he's going to do well for him. You got an owner who loves the franchise, puts a lot of money into it. go to that stadium. It's always beautiful. Right. There's the pool in the back and stuff like that.

So they're throwing good money into it. They're not afraid to spend, I know, no doubt. But the NFL like that's entertainment. But people have crushed owners in the past for kind of like, these are billionaires. They've got their money from oil or stock market or whatever. Parents. Yeah, parents, whatever.

Relaxed guy. But in those situations, people are like, well, these people don't put money into the franchise. Who's going to want to come there, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. This guy spends money. He puts money in it. The thing that was missing,

I don't, and listen, this is not, well, I guess it is my statement since I'm fucking saying it. Keep doing that. I keep doing that, trying to cover my ass. I really do. But his leadership, like, Rable took us to the next level because he's a great leader. You know, some of these coaches,

Sean McVeigh is a great leader of men. So he's taking these guys to the next level. They obviously have the star power. Right. But Peterson, right? I think he's, he's a leader of men. And that's the thing that's missing. where if you're in those tighter games,

maybe you pull those things out because those guys maybe know a few more keys that they might have shown in a Friday tape or something like that. Right. He has a clean slate. I mean, he's been off for a year, right? And he's going into a team that hadn't done anything

over the past since 2017, actually, when they made an AFC championship run. They haven't done a thing. And a lot of those guys aren't even on a team. So what he's inheriting is, you know, a very young team. Yeah. There aren't a lot of veteran guys on the team. you hit it right, you know, the nail right in the head

when you said leadership, what's their identity? You know, that C, that Captain Patch on your jersey, that doesn't mean a fucking thing. No. You got to go out there and earn that each and every week and not just, you know, verbalizing it. You got to, for me, it always came through my play. Yeah.

I wasn't a rah-rah, you know, talk. You know, I'm not going to motivate you through a speech. And I might say some stuff. You got some good wisdom now. You know, I would probably say some stuff on a Saturday, every blue moon when the coach, A Fred, we need you. I ain't just going to go out there and say, you know, that just wasn't me. I want to go out there and bust a 50-yard or on, you know, third and two, you know, in a nine-man box,

a diamond front or whatever. I want to motivate you that way. Yeah. I want to get everybody excited. And then, you know, we can create that momentum that way. But they just never, over the past couple years, I don't know, I think. think they've lost their identity in that sense. Yeah.

You know, Colise Campbell when he was out of the building, you know, unique. These guys who were part of that amazing, the Saxonville defense when they made that run. Who are those guys? Josh Allen is great. I can't really speak for Josh because I'm not in the building. Yeah. But looking at his play, I think guys will follow him. Yeah.

They just recently released. He's the one when you play against him, too. Right. He's the one when he's jumping up from motherfuckers. Right. Well, even at timeouts, when you're in a timeout, he's, if, let's say we were playing them and we were playing well, he's getting on the guys about X, Y, and Z. He's not afraid to speak up. I like Josh Allen a lot.

I think he's a stud. They just released Miles Jack. Yeah. Who was that leader? Yeah, he's a stud, you know, they release Miles. He's like a wild card to me. Yeah, he'd always get that little 15 yard around you, but look who's talking. Right, right.

He's somebody who's, like, super talented. And as a linebacker who watched him, just sometimes I thought he'd be laid. in his technique because I'm thinking like, bro, you have the ability to be one of the greatest to ever do it. You know what I mean? Right, right. But you pay more attention to it. Obviously, I'm not, I'm looking at things, and I'm looking at those guys, but I'm not

looking at technique for technique, play and play out. But I know that they respect Miles. Right. You know, the players definitely gravitate towards Miles, but he's no longer in a locker room. And on the offensive side, let's be honest, I mean, who are you turning? You have a young quarterback. You know, he's trying to voice his opinion, but he was just a rookie. You know, guys are looking at him like, this ain't fucking college.

Especially when Urban's didn't. It doesn't fly. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think that the offense had a clear identity in terms of leadership, a guy that they can point to when it was crunch time. Well, hopefully they'll figure it out. I don't know who that guy is going to be. And they might even lean on the quarterback because he, like I say,

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that's dope, bro. That's dope, bro. Going back on your career, is there anything you look back on and you think you wish you would have done differently? Like, because you talk about injuries all the time. Right. You talk about how you had like an injury-ridden career. Um, do you like look back and be like, damn, I wish I would have took care of myself a little bit differently? I joke a lot of times and say, um, I wish I would have been born 10 to 20 years later for a few reason, right? These fucking checks are crazy.

I mean, you're getting scrubs are getting $7 million a year. There's a lot money out there. There's a lot money out there for them, boys. But even aside from that, right? Just the science. The science, you know, and how the game has evolved to

how guys are taking care of their bodies so early, you know, going in. They, they, they, they, right now, nutrition. Nutrition is top dog. When we came in, you had teams like the Cincinnati Bengals on their, um, their meal table, they were giving the guys pop-a-ice chicken. McDonald's. After, after, yeah, but that's not what these guys are getting now.

I hear you. Right? You know, those little things actually matter. I learned that later in my career. Mm-hmm. When you look at, uh, just from, a medicinal standpoint, they're just,

I ain't talking about cannabis. It sounded like you were about talking about cannabis. As long as you pass the test, it doesn't, you know. Yeah, I mean, I smoked my entire career. That's a whole other story. Oh, bro. I mean. Obviously, you guys were a part of the DARE program growing up.

You'd figure it to fuck out. But yeah, so yeah, just a few things, man. Just learning how to take care of your body and this day and age, man. I mean, the science is there. You know, you just understand it. I think I would have gravitated

towards that more so. and how I work out and train in the offseason. When I played, I didn't do a thing in the offseason until March when we reported back to minicamp. Not OTAs, not OTAs, not OTAs prior to mini camp. I just didn't care. Later on, I felt that that was more important. Then my numbers started sending.

I got better as a player. I matured there. But I don't have any regrets other than can this be the locker room on me? No, I guess I'll wait. No, no, no, I guess I could talk about it, yeah. I have something. I got something else for a locker room moment.

I guess I figured out. Wow, my man's got a whole of a shit. Yeah, so the only regret that I have as a player, it was in 2000 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. We took a trip down to Orlando, myself and like eight other guys. We took a trip to Orlando. Got back to Jack, we went to party down there. It was like a classic or something.

Got back to Jacksonville. The old team meetings at 8 a.m. We got back to Jacksonville at 7.45 a.m. Road in the team meeting room. Our suits and everything was in a limousine ready for the plane. Somehow we all stumbled in and we were all toasted. We were fried, man. We were just a rap.

Went through the meeting. Somehow made it through the walkthrough, flew up to Pittsburgh. I was cramping on Saturday. I cramped all day. Sunday. I was dehydrated. Luckily for me, it was a Sunday night game. Otherwise, I wouldn't have played at a 1 o'clock or 4 o'clock.

Damn. So Sunday night kickoff. It was Three Rivers Stadium before they imploded it. Now it's Heinzville, what they have. Every stadium, by the way. Yeah, it's super dope. Renegade. Right.

Crazy fans, too. Crazy. So, yeah, so that night, though, I ended up rushing for 234 yards, four touchdowns. cramped up late third, early fourth quarter, didn't play the rest of the game. I feel like I could have broke the single season or single game record that day if I didn't cramp up. Because Stillers never stopped me that day. So, um.

That's fucking wild. I didn't take IV at halftime or anything. I just was cramping up. It was crazy. You ain't take IVs for any of it? You know what? IVs at half became popular much later in my career. That wasn't a thing.

Even before games, too? That was not a thing. It's just drink water and Gatorade. And they had this thing. This man is a horserow. They had these little electro-like tablet that you could put in your Gatorade and like fizz. It was all bullshit.

Barker, it was crazy. I mean, it probably worked. I don't know. Enjoy the fizz a little bit. It was the fizz. That's another thing? Pickle juice. I know.

You know how some you're in all that sodium? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit on anything that you do. They're like, that's bullshit don't work, but they're just fucking good so you can't say much to them. No doubt. Come on.

But no, seriously, though, that was my biggest regret. I feel like I could have got the single game rushing record. And I know a certain Coach Coughlin would have given me the ball more and more. Yeah. So that's my only regret in my career.

Damn. That's tough. Yeah. The, fuck, I don't need, that's a hard, that's a hard to regret my guy. That is a regret. Yeah, but my overall career, though,

I mean, I had my share of Andrews, man. I partied. I was hanging out. I did a lot of stuff. Wow, young, stupid. You know, running through Jacksonville, running through Miami, you know, unconsciously just, just whatever. You know, I was wide open, man.

You know he had a good time. Jack and Garrett hated you growing up. Yeah, again? You all hated y'all. Oh, yeah? Get the fuck out of here, dude. You were talking so much trash before he walked on the bus? Hey, good.

He was doing this, bud? I remember like it was yesterday. My fifth game of my career was against the Titans, the fifth game in my career. The previous week, James Stewart got hurt. One of your guys, Tennessee Volunteer. Stool got hurt because people in Jacksonville were calling me a bust.

After four games? Preseason. Fast free season, huh? He dropped the top 10, too. Number nine, 98, yeah. So they were called. calling me a bus, man. And that's crazy.

So, Stu got hurt. Coach Coughlin. Tony Buccelli just recently elected Hall of Fame. Bo was like, this fucking rookie's coming here. Oh, shit. You know, they didn't think I had it. I went in. My first carry against the Ravens,

52-yard Touched. Cutback sweep. I toasted the Ravens that day. Yeah. That was the heck when they were that defense. They were that defense. The best defense. in the league history.

Damn. And I gave him the business. They were the top dogs from 98 to like 2000. Well, they're still top dogs, right? Yeah. Yeah, great defense. Ray Lewis. Like, 0, 4, 7 people.

Yeah. So I gave him the business. The very next week was the Titans. Playing at Vanderbilt. Yeah, I remember that? Playing at Vanderbilt. They were probably at the game. The shittiest locker room in the history of the NFL.

It was the worst. Turn at Vanderbilt? Turf, yeah. No free shout-outs. Vanderbilt. They were guards. Right? They were awful.

But I remember having like buck 30 that day. I know y'all were crying. Yeah, I went home crying. It was Astro Turt. I know y'all were crying. Yeah, y'all were crying on the way home. Oh, shit. 98?

Yeah, it was 98, yeah. But yeah, I mean, I don't really have any regrets on my career, man, other than that one game. Yeah. I thought I did okay. And it comes with what it comes with. I think I will make the Hall of Fame someday. I wanted to talk to you about that.

Because I don't want to bring this up in a bad way. But Chris Johnson was on IM Athlete. I saw that. And he was talking about what's the criteria? Like, I think I should be in it. And with Chris. He changed the game. You're with him on that.

I agree with that. What's the criteria? Yeah. What is the criteria? Like, what is it? I don't know. Yeah. I retired 15th all the time, 11,600 and, you know, 35 or something.

You know exactly the number. You know exactly the number. I might be off. I could be off. It's been a while since I looked at it. But at the time when I retired, I knew my numbers were better than 15 of the guys that were currently in the Hall of Fame.

Whether they're modern era or old school, my numbers were better than these guys. So that alone, right, alone, what's the criteria? Yeah. And you just say, this guy is better than these other guys. Like, I think he's the design. serving of a spot in here. Not first ballot, obviously.

I think I would have been first ballot if I hadn't missed 60. I missed 60 games in 13 years. Oh, damn. 60 fucking games. I missed, I missed 14 and 14, 28 games my last two seasons almost when I was in New England. That actually brought my rushing average per game down. And my yards per carry came down based on the games that I, suited up for the Patriots.

Got one snap or two snap because of their system. Yeah. So now when you look at per game averages, they came down because I dressed out, but I didn't. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I do think that I will make the Hall of Fame win. I don't know. But I think my career was worthy.

My number speaks for itself. I agree with Chris. You know, Chris was a bad man. The only thing I disagree with was when he said he was the first 200-pound back to come in and be an every-down back. I was 226 doing it. Just as fast. I ran 4-28-40 at 226 coming out. Damn.

On grass. You're faster than Chris. No, hell, no. No, I wasn't faster than Chris, but I ran 4-2840 on grass at my Florida workout. Chris ran his in Indy at a combine. I didn't run at a combine. I was advised by my agent not to. Why?

I would have. He just said, just run on your pro day. There's no pressure. I'm trying to. I'm trying to ride. I didn't even train for my pro day. I didn't train for the combine. I didn't train for my pro day.

I did, I did six. I did six. You just knew you were going up time. God is my witness on my dying grandmother. I did six, 20 yards start to train. I went down in New Orleans to coach Tom Shaw, and Coach Shaw might be watching at some, I don't know.

He's in Orlando now. But he had his facility in New Orleans. I went down there because my agent, they had a relationship. I went down there. And after the first day of, you know, getting acclimated and doing his workouts and everything, we did a few starts. He said, he pulled me as I say, why are you here? I was like, because my agent asked me to come.

I'm working out. He's like, you're the closest thing to Bo Jackson and I ever seen him. like. Damn. You say why you're here? The next day I left. I was out of there. I left.

I was out of there, man. And I just didn't train. Myself, Jaquez Green. We just, we did a few starts on the track field back at UF and Gainesville. And the next thing you know is pro day and we went out there and we lit it up. Yeah. Damn. 41-inch vert, 4-2-8, 40 on the ground.

That's got to be, that's so insulting to me and well. Yes. Sickening, bro. Rinding, dude. I'm like in a Rocky 4 montage during my pro day training. You know what I'm saying? And this motherfucker is just going out with his homeboy on the track and just like, all right, I feel good, man.

Let's go do it. Yeah, you know, I don't really say that, you know, as, you know, I'm not bragging. Looking back, I'm like, fuck, I really could have really trained and killed a whole lot of stuff. Yeah. You know, I could have been in these conversation where these guys are the fastest 40s and this and that or whatever. I could have been right there.

but much bigger. But I do agree with Chris on the whole criteria thing. Yeah. The only thing that I disagree with is that I was, you know, a 200 plus pound back and every single first down, second down, third down, go line. Yeah. He wasn't the one that started that. Right.

Yeah. You were. Fucking right. I fucking love it. Shifting a little bit, like, I wanted to ask you, because we've all seen, like, the documentary 30 for 30 broke and stuff like. that and doing some digging on your stuff, it seems like you had an incident where you were defrauded like $3.5 million. Right. And I was wondering if you would speak on that. And then also, if there was

like advice or any insight to any young guys or anybody listen that can be in this position, you know, to be more cautious or be wary of signs that you, you know, maybe you look back on a thing I should look for those things. Right. Yeah. No, I'm always willing to speak on it, man, because it'll help someone else and I'll do a huge service to them as well as myself, man. you know, for me, it's gratitude and giving back. And that's the first thing I look for. I know we're, you know, what is it, 24 years removed since my rookie year, 98. And, you know, things are more prevalent right in front of us.

And I think from a financial literacy and taking care of your finances as players, athletes, guys that don't come from those demographics that haven't been able to inherit what financial awareness and being able to take care of the money, right? I think it's a huge service for them for me to speak on it. I came in, I chose my first agent, first and foremost, because he's a black guy. I had an opportunity to go with Lee Steinberg. they really courted me and tried to recruit me, but I turned them down. I don't even regret that, you know, because I feel that in hindsight, I have an opportunity.

This is a part of me. That became a part of me, it became part of my story. It's a tool that I can use to help other people, right? Right. To try to steal them clear of falling in the same trap that I fell in. So I chose my first agent. He's a black guy. he recruited me like a father figure.

You know, my father, we developed a relationship late in my life. Around my junior year of high school, my dad came back from the military, got back involved in my life, but I still didn't have that guy that I trusted as a father figure. Insert Tank Black, my first agent. And he came in. I had a $5 million signing bonus.

In 98, that was ninth big. That was huge. potential to make like 16 mil on my rookie deal. And he took that check after I signed it. I remember seeing $2.8 million going to a bank account. I took $500,000 just so I can have my annual bills and whatever I needed. So what they did was they took that money invested in an offshore account, which eventually became a Ponzi scheme.

they took that put all of it over there like 2.3 mil. They put it over there, but they would give me these window documents of what I was getting for return on the investment, which was like 30 brand a month. So at the time, while for 2.3 million, I'm seeing $30,000 a month. That's $360,000 a year. I'm like, all right, we can do a little bit more than $10. in the market, that's fine. But, you know, you fast forward,

it ended up being a punsy scheme, total bullshit. At that time, 9-11 happened, the market crashed. And a lot of my teammates ran back to the locker room. They lost a lot of them. Yeah. And those times, they lost a lot of money. But my money was frozen in the punsy's.

So what the government did was we filed a claim to say, all right, we were involved in it. So the money that was frozen, I ended up getting back about $2 million of it. So I lost the $300,000 plus whatever interest I could have made in a regular investment. And that was like four years later, right? So I go from Tank Black to another guy, Jeff Rubin, who I knew from college. And a lot of other guys knew Jeff.

So Jeff befriended me, you know, getting together. my financial guy. It's sort of, I always think about that like, like, uh, the new girl that comes to time. You know, if you're that guy that meets her first, you get friendly with her, you know, then, uh, you have a better shot at her than the other guys, right? Right. So Jeff kind of, we're coming off of a, I was coming off of a bad break.

Right. And he was the first guy to say, hey, I can do this, this, this, this and this. All right, cool. We're good. Let's go. So he ended up, I hired him as my financial guy. Some investments early on were very moderate, very conservative. Right?

Mutual funds, easy stuff, three, four, five percent. He took, he started taking shots in these private equity deals. He put us in this casino deal down in Alabama. And Bama, it was, I thought it was a good deal, right? It was a, it was a charitable bingo. operation, which at the time was, they were great in Alabama. But the politics in Alabama, never so great. So they raided the, they built up the casino.

It was amazing property. They built it up. On our opening night, they rated it. And they said, this is a legal operation. The bingo is a front for this, that, and that. Whatever. I can get into that, but I'll take forever. Was that true?

Nah, they just changed the law. Got you. That's right. It just changed the freaking law overnight. And we were slated to make... I had, like, 1.6 million in that deal. And probably was going to do about 60% on our money a year. Oh, damn.

That's awesome. It's a casino. Right. It was an amazing property. So it was going to just print money. So fast forward, they shut that down, lost that money, had to fight against the banks, had to fight against the law.

firm that eventually actually didn't give us operating agreements and PPMs. So we sued the law firm that did it. Settled out there, sued the bank because a lot of things are forged through the bank.

But Jeff Rubin, who's the financial advisor, he's a 60 Minutes special two ads, E.O. Ray Lewis, a lot of the top guys. Jvonne curse myself. He's still just out there living the dream. But it was just bad. man, and just got with bad people.

But I learned a valuable lesson, stuff that I can talk to my kids about. I can talk to young players about. I can go into these speaking engagements in these different Fortune 500s and talk to their employees about. So in hindsight, you know, there's a blessing in disguise.

I learned a lot. Yeah. And I'm much better for it now in terms of finances. It's going to help my kids, you know, in the long run. Right. But, yeah, it's just, and the platform you have with Pivot. And the platform now, for sure.

So those experiences, man, you know, they're not short of anything. I can give back in so many different ways. So, yeah, it was just bad. It was, timing was always. Yeah. Yeah. We have yet taken another pause because you guys keep listening and they keep calling and asking for the ads. But these people, we honestly might not even charge them for.

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No, no, no. The segment? The Tier Talk. Tier talk, locker room story. Go ahead. All right, so tier talk. Here's what we got. We put together a few lists.

You're going to rate them tier one to tier three. All right. Because our fan base, their team. One being the best? One being the best, too, obviously, and then you get the deal. So what we have... Who's your research guy? Because I've seen, they got my hometown on there.

They got a lot of stuff. I believe what Alex, was you? Alex back there. He dies deep. He gets deep. Yeah. But here's what we have. We have five backs from each decade of the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

In the 80s, you see Eric, Dickerson, Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, O.J. Simpson, and Tony Dorset. In the 90s, you got Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders, Marshall Falk, Terrell Davis, and Thurman Thomas. You're kind of like a tweener. You and Eddie George. In the 2000s, that's where we put you, AP, Clinton, Portis, Priest Holmes, and Ladany and Tomlinson. Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3, give me those from those decades. I'm ranking each decade. You're ranking the decades. Like, which decade are you taken? Oh, so I got to take the decade itself and not the player. Yeah, decade itself.

You can rank the players. That's a little fun too, but start with the decade. All right. So starting with the decade, man, I think, fuck, the 80s were solid. They were running backs were drafted to do in the 80s. Eric Dickerson, 2,000 yards, Walter Payton, my idol, Earl Campbell, you know, downhill. OJ, we know what the Jews did, Tony Dorset, you know, praying for TD. This subtle one line.

Not that we know what the juice did. I think there's a book about that. There's a lot of stuff on what he did. No, I mean, in terms of... Hello, Twitter world. What he did on the field as a player? The 80s is tough. Shees. I think I'll go to 90s, though.

90s tier 1? Tier 1. Slot it in? Yeah. Final answer. I'm a huge Barry Sanders, Marshall, Faw. is the reason I wear 28. Terrell Davis didn't play long enough, but he was a beast.

Derman missed the consistency. He did everything in Buffalo, catch, run, top dog. I got to go 80s tier two. Oh, wow. Yeah, I got to keep a real. It's done. It's done. It's done.

Your decade last. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think we have some great players in my decade. Eric Dickson first, 2,000 yard back. You know, like I said, Walter Walter Payton was just that guy, man. He influenced me. But my decade, I love Ladenian.

I love Adrian Peterson. If I had to rate those guys in my decade, I'm going to go LT1, Adrian Peterson, two, myself three. Fort is four and Priest's owns five. Priest had a hell of a line in Casey. I think Clinton certainly better than Priest.

Clinton has some good Jews too coming from Denver than heading over to Redskins. That slash running play 38, 39. He did some good stuff there. But yeah, man, Barry Sanders is the best. Aside from Jim Brown, Barry is. is, you know, he's my 1B back all time. Emmett, Florida Gator, but I think Emmett is like,

he's probably like seven or eight or nine or ten on the list of all time. Yeah. He had some Monster O lines. Yeah. Yeah. Emmett wasn't fancy. He just was downhill one cut and go. He didn't, like, he wasn't, for me, he wasn't entertaining,

but he did play in the Cowboys jersey and that was more entertaining itself. I'm going to take Adrian Peterson, Ledanyan. I'm going to go Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton. Just on this list right here, Eric Dickerson. Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson. One, two. For sure.

Okay. Ledanyan, Adrian Peters. Oh, you're doing all time. No, no, no. Not one. Yeah, no, not one. I'm sorry, not one two, because Barry is one. You're doing your top running backs of all times.

Yeah, I was going to go that way. So Barry is one. I like to say Walter Payton, for me, is two. Eric Dickerson is three. Marshall Falk would be four. Ladanian would be five. AP would be six. I'll put myself in there at seven.

I got two. Respect to seven. Respect to seven, man. Right. It's a fun little game. Yeah, it's dope. Because OJ was a monster. OJ was a beast.

In a lot of ways. Yeah. I'm going to go with, I'll go right here with Emmett 8, consistency, Thurman 9, OJ 10. So you were better than Emmett Smith and O.J. And Thurman?

Oh, hell yeah. Okay. I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah, no, I mean. I know. I know half the names in this list. I don't want to. I think if I'm healthy,

you know, Walter Payton, the best thing he did, the same with Emmett, those guys were on the field. Yeah. You know, they were there every Sunday.

I think Walter missed one game. I don't know, 10, 11, 12 years or whatever. He missed one game. So the consistency is there. But even those guys on the list, only myself and Barry Sanders, guys with 25 plus,

touches, 2,500 touches or more are the only backs on this list to have 4.6 yards per carry at. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, so, but that's my list. That's what it is. Outstanding.

Yeah. So for our last... It's the outstanding segment, by the way. The tear talk? Yeah, I thought that was fire, especially with a, you know, with a great, with a great sitting on here for 80 running backs. Um, yeah.

For our last segment, Lockroom talk. give us a good old fashion. Like we got whistlepicks sitting here. We're sitting back. You're telling a bonfire story, whether it's on or off the field. And if it's something where you don't want to share identities, that's fine. But just tell us a good old fashion locker room story that you tell the boys.

Molly, I'm sitting back. I know, but don't get too excited because, I mean, Will text me probably four or five hours ago. Yeah. And I was somewhere. Crazy. Yeah. I could be a segment under the bus.

Yeah. Under the bus. That's dope. I was somewhere on Broadway, though, getting smashed. I had to go take a nap. Yeah, because you wasn't taking back on. I had to go take a nap, so I didn't even have a chance to really think of a story. But, man, you guys know, it's so much shit that goes on.

Man, I don't know what jumps out. I remember my brother and good friend would come in the huddle during the games. He was like, hey, doves, let's go, baby. We're going to have a good game today. go and I would look at his eyes. And his eyes will be bloodshot. And very great. His eyes will be bloodshot.

And I was like, okay, he's ready to go. He's hype. Yeah. I didn't know he was doing cocaine. Yeah. Before the game. I don't know if I should tell that story, but whatever. Yeah.

I don't know. I do know that in 2008, and this isn't so much locker room talk, but in 2008, this is probably more so. a story to, you know, to help the young guys that go out that might feel that they have a sense of entitlement when they go party. Might have had one or two or three, too many drink. I remember been on South Beach in 2008. I hung out, just out, minding my business.

Had a good night. Went to my car. This guy came over. Hey, Fred, pleasure to meet you. My brother was like, man, you're just too friendly. Get your ass away from here. You're too friendly. The guy went back inside, told us security that we were threatened.

we weren't threatening. And, uh, shit, 30, 40 seconds later, eight South Beach police pulled up, drawing tasers and guns. Get your ass in front of the car. They kicked me. I had on some tight-ass jeans. They could spread them. I can't spread them no more.

My jeans super tight. They slammed me on the hood of the car. And, um, so they were like, hey, they put the dog in the car. And at the time, my wife, she hates them. So absolutely to this day, not that she hates dogs. She doesn't like the way they smell. Okay. It doesn't like how I smell.

When I come from outside and in the house, you smell like outside. Go take a shower. Damn. So she, yeah, she, yeah. Her nose is, her nose is crazy. Like a dog's. Like, yeah. Yeah.

You ain't getting lucky unless you're showered up. 100%. A thousand percent. Mm-hmm. So, um. On the bed and he's got to come out of the shower. Are you clean? Yeah.

All right. Come on the lotion. Yeah. They were looking. for stuff. They let the dog go in the car. They didn't find anything. They got me, they threw me in back

of the patrol car and took me down to the South Beach station. But the guy left the cuffs unlocked. So when I got down there, I'm there, and there was a lieutenant that was in there.

He saw me coming. He was like, Freddy T. That ain't Freddy T. That ain't, come on. No, take the cuffs off of them. What the fuck are y'all doing? Take those cuffs off. So the guy who was in there,

he was a guy who came to the team in Jacksonville that he didn't make the team but he was the guy that I looked out you know that's how I was as a veteran guys I always rooted for anybody that came look man this is what you gotta try to make the team so he remembered that so he's like take these cuffs off of Freddy I know

whatever you guys are saying he did he didn't do it he's nothing like that you should have done the cuffs off they didn't even put me in the holding cell like so he's like you're not putting him in there sit him on his bench. You're not putting them in there. This shit ain't right. Like, whatever's going on.

So he was like, they took the cuffs off and I'm rubbing my wrist like, what the fuck? He's like, that's the trick that they do. For the cops to be nasty, you know, and trying sort of true over you or whatever, you don't lock the cuffs

because the more you move, the tighter they get. Oh, really? Right. Right. So he was like, they did the old boy. shit till you, he started laughing. I started laughing.

It's like 4.30 in the morning. They let me go under my own recognizance or whatever. They read a statement. I didn't know what it meant. I just wanted it. It was late. I was slightly inebriated. It was like, whatever. I drove, and my brother drove me 45 minutes home. And when I got home, it was 6 a.m. Just in time for the morning news to come on, the local morning news.

and in that Jacksonville, Jaguar's running back Fred Taylor was arrested tonight in charge with disorderly conduct on South Beach before I can even close my eyes to go to sleep.

It was like Labor Day or something crazy. And I had to go back to Jacksonville. The team was like, what the fuck? This happened. But it was 2008. It was prior to, I don't know if the commissioner had just,

you know, Goodell? I don't know if Roger had just taken over as a new commissioner then, but I know the rules weren't as strict. Because if I had that petty charge, then I would have gotten suspended for a few games. Oh, damn. But I didn't, right? I had to get in front of the team and apologize to the team for everything that went on.

My mom is a cop. She's retired now, is shear. She's like, look, you just got to be careful how you talk to these cops. You know, because you don't know what type of. a day they had or what's going on in their lives. You can't curse them and this and that. So that's where the disorderly conduct came from. But that's not so much locker room talk.

Yeah. Hopefully that's a story, though. Hopefully that's a story that can save some of these guys that get out there and they feel like I didn't do anything wrong, which is how I felt. But you can't say everything. Right. Because there are charges for everything. And you don't want to be one of those guys that, you know, when you wake up,

you're on, you know, sports center. And you're top story. Mugshot. Yeah. So that was me. So hopefully that would help some of these guys. But it's a million other stories. Trust me.

I got some shit. I just ain't. Yeah. We'll have to have you on again. We'll figure it out. I'm always down, man. Yeah. Certainly down, for sure, for sure.

And it seems like pivot's really just blowing up right now. You guys are murdering the game. We're definitely doing good, man. We're doing good. Channing is great. He's the wild card. There's no question about it. Then I would like to all.

So say Ryan is the wild card. Ryan is just a pro. Yeah. He's so good at what he does, man. He does so much. He does do a lot. He does on a lot of shows. Ryan is so good, man.

And what he does is effortless and he's so good. I think, yeah, Ryan is, he's going to be one of those guys that will eventually be if he decides to. He can be the face of sports center or ESPN. Something about like a Stephen A? Oh, yeah. Which that interview, by the way, was fine. phenomenal.

Even A did open up and show a good side. You really did. You have people that talk about Stephen A, they call him Koon and sellout and all. Look. That's easy and later. You know, I don't watch enough TV to kind of see everything that he says. But I do know the one thing that stood out for me in his interview, what he said was, and it's 10 years there, he's done 30 plus thousand take.

And they're a lot. Yeah. And now you're in the moment where you're just, you know, giving your opinion on things. And that's what it is, his opinion. So I'm adult enough to understand. You have an opinion, you, myself, these guys. Right. We all have an opinion.

And once it's out there, we have to live with it. And he's done a great job of doing that. You know, they're more so hard on him about two people, really. Colin Kaepernick, which he later came on and he vouched for. And then also Kyrie Irving. You know, and everybody has an opinion on what Kyrie's doing as a player. He did a good job. I thought he did a good job explaining it.

Yeah, but you look at people that, you know, they came on when we posted promos and say, hey, nah, I ain't watching the show because this guy's a sellout. He's a coon. He's this, he's this, he's corny. He's this. They keep saying that. But he's Stephen A. S.O.N. Is that a racist thing? Yeah, that's okay. I'm glad I didn't say it out. Right. No, but this is what they're saying. Yeah. Right. So, and that's why I repeat it. No, this is more so like, and correct me from wrong, but like what black people will say to black people. Right. Right. 100%. It's not like, it's something like we and I should go out. Yeah, right. No, so it's, it's just nothing that we do.

Right. So it's more so in-house. Like, it's not that we want to or not. It's just nothing that it's like, I've never really heard the phrase before. It doesn't even really make a lot of it. You see us weirdly beating around this, like, there we go. Oh, the racist push?

Yeah. Right, but it doesn't make, it doesn't even really make a whole lot of sense, truthfully. And the one thing about me is, um, I'm going to speak to both sides, right? when I see something, I'm going to call it how it is. I prefer to be black and white. You know, I love transparency.

And I think that's what Stephen A is. Some people feel that Disney is, you know, pulling the strings. Yeah. You know, because they own ESPN or the network, right? But I think he did a pretty solid job of joining a different side of himself, of explaining the Kyrie thing, of explaining the Colin Kaepernick thing. You know, we were grateful to have him on. He led us in his house, man.

He bought us lunch. It was a great interview, in my opinion. But, yeah, we're building. We got a long way to go, man. But we're building and, you know. Who's a dream guest? It'll be dope. They've already had it.

My dream guest is, dream guest? Oh, I see. I appreciate that. We did numbers, though. We did good. Yeah, it was awesome. We did really good. You guys are welcome.

That was awesome to be a part of it. I was going to say this is crazy, but I like to get Donald Trump in a seat. Really? Yeah, man. You're going after it since you saw the whole Nope Boy thing, right? Yeah, YouTube took it down. They had $6 million in a day. Thank you.

You know, not even just for the views or whatever. Just have a conversation. What would you ask him? What's something that you'd want to ask him? Do you like black people? Hmm. I mean. I thought that'd be a good little short on YouTube anyway.

That probably- Just let him talk about. Just let them talk. See, that's what we do. We like to let our guests talk. Yeah. You know, if there's controversy out there and people are looking at you this way

and having an opinion, we want to bring you on so you can answer that. You can say what the hell you want to say. Right. But because we know that this is what's going on in the public or the masses might think one way or the majority, yeah, the majority of people might think this way.

We want to ask you, what's up with that? and let you explain it. You can tell a lie. You can, like, whatever it might be, but we're going to ask that question. You're going to share your narrative. Right. So. Do you think Donald Trump likes black people?

Is that something from watching this four years of presidency? I don't, I don't. That's something you wouldn't say on the, because you guys are a platform that'll ask those simple questions and let them speak and what, you won't have much of a. Right. You know what? So, yeah, it's a good question. So, you know what?

For me, I think, I think, there are certain rhetoric out there. that's been divisive, right, in his following. Yeah. That, I don't think he dislikes black. Across the board. I don't think that. I think that he was playing into his, you know, his following. His demographic.

Right. But I don't think he dislikes black people. I think that he plays more so into his following because he's a politician, I'm sorry. And, you know, he has to do things to keep his camp and his base solid. Right. He's talking about he was trying to get reelected, too, at the same time. But he said a lot of stuff that's very divisive, you know,

in the eyes of a lot of people. And obviously, I think that, And I have a lot of friends, white, black, other, whatever it might be. But I think when he got in office, those people who were not as vocal in certain subject, you know, they sort of show certain colors, right? Right. And sort of vocalizing certain things. Yet they're still my friends to this day. We still have conversation.

Yeah. I try and be an adult about things. So yeah, I don't think he hates black people per se. I don't think he dislikes black people. I think he's certainly playing into his camp and what he had to do to try to get reelected. I think he is a media and attention whore at the end of the day. He knows how to play that game.

Exactly. He's a politician. He was never a politician, but he was a politician, Look, to go on Twitter, I don't think any politicians should be allowed. Yeah. If we're going to go and vote for these people, there's other ways to get our attention, maybe a website, all these other stuff. But if you're on Twitter, you know, you're having fights, you know, on Twitter, that ain't cool. Even when Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida stepped into office.

He's a big, big Trump guy. He's a Republican. Florida's a heavy Republican state. I did not vote for the Santa, right, initially. But the things he's doing in my state are pretty cool. They're good. They're solid. And he's trying to set himself up so he could potentially run for Senate

and maybe at some point president. Will I vote for him or Republican at some point? I grew up in a household where I grew up in a household of six kids. we had to learn to share and get along. Right? So from that, I developed a more of a democratic, you know, mindset. Yeah. Sharing and, you know, get along.

I think as I've gotten older, at heart, I'm more of a Democrat. Because I like to, I think that the system works best when we put into it, right? And I know a lot of people believe that from a taxation standpoint, this, that other. I think that helps the system turns back. better when a Democrat isn't offered. But from a business standpoint, I'm more of a Republican mindset. Because I bust my ass for what I've earned what I have. So I don't want the government to just take it off.

But I do know that there are so many different tax loopholes and things that we can take advantage of as business people and people that have earned seven, eight figures, or whatever it is. we can take advantage of a lot of deductions. But I didn't come from a lot. So as much as I have, it's still more than what I've ever had. Yeah. So I don't really get into the whole, like, tax me 30% or 20%.

That 10% ain't going to kill me. Right. I feel like it's giving back in a sense. But I am a, lately I've been an independent. Yeah. No, yeah, I'm an independent. But yeah, I just wanted to make sense, man. Will I ever vote for a Republican president if his messages, right?

And if it's warranted, then yeah. Yeah. The whole party thing's pretty difficult. It's stupid. To stand on because if you... Because I know speaking from me, like, you feel weird saying any of these labels because you realize what people can do. But we're the United States of America, right?

We're actually a constitutional republic is what we are. A constitutional republic. But what's the fucking, the Pledge of Allegiance? The flag. The United States of America. Indivisible. And for the Republic, for which it stands. Indivisible?

But we're 55. What do you mean? Indivisible, right? Yeah, that's a big word for me. Right. So, so every state has its own laws. And that's divided in itself, right? Um, we have parties.

That's divided. But you said in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, Right. But we're divided. You say we can't be divided. You know, that doesn't make any fucking sense to me. Why do we have to have parties? America's such a large demographic. And I agree with you. I think parties are a difficult way to go because there's some things from the Democratic Party that I think I agree with that.

Right. And there's things they do that I disagree with. Now, the Republican side, it goes the same way. There are things I like about the Republican Party and there's things I don't like about the Republican Party. Right. So it's hard for me to find a world. people are going to be pissed about this. I've never voted.

Right. And I, you know, I thought about voting this last election, ended up not doing it. I probably will the next one because because of this last election and watching and knowing more and getting older, I'm going to do that. Right. But it's a, it's tough to put labels on things.

Right. Because if I say to you, I'm a Democrat and you're Republican. It, you. We're looking at each other. We're looking at each other. Oh, that's where that's the whole thing. Oh, you look at me like, this guy's a libtor. This guy thinks this.

Right. It's like, it's tough. for me to draw a line in the sand with things. Right. Because you know, people watch this episode, the show that are on both sides of the fence. Correct. My opinion really doesn't matter to, it does. It does. No, no, no,

but to give out to the world, like, there's things that I will, if someone asks me a question, I'll answer it. I'm an open book that way, but for me to go spout my opinions about stuff to get mad on Twitter and be like, oh, no, it's not where Biden's doing this or Donald shows it. It's not me. That's just not my vibe. Right. I think there

needs to be, I don't know what there needs to be, but the whole, blue and red is it's a difficult thing for me to identify with because I've never liked living in a box. Right. I just think that yeah that makes great sense. I don't like the whole party thing because

we're divided straight out of the gate is simple. But I do know that when the Democrats are in office from a investment standpoint, I do know what the big corporations do. I know they cut a lot of jobs.

They try and say their numbers aren't adding up. And it pretty much gives you a key on different things you can invest. Right. And then vice versa. Exactly. When the Republicans are in office. So, you know, you take that and you take advantage of it. You know, you live long enough.

You'll be able to identify these things when you are investing. We got to live. It doesn't matter who's in office at the very end of the day. We got to deal with this shit. Right. Right. But I just don't like the whole foundation of, of this country pretty much is telling us what we are and what we should be. But then it's contradicting that.

Yeah. You know, in a lot of things. There's a lot of manipulation for sure. Everyone's commenting on everyone's opinion. Everyone's commenting. And people were picking aside. You know, and that was the biggest challenge for us in the past two. years, not only the

pandemic, but politics, you know, and what was going on in our everyday lives. So, yeah, we, we, I think we've gotten past that. Man, I just want to live and be happy, man, and enjoy my kids, my family. You know, build

companies, make a whole lot of fucking money, man. And that's all the fuck I want to do. That sounds like a good deal. You know who else is about to have a kid? That's right. No, no, no. Oh, congratulations. You know what? So, oh, you? Baby watch.

When? Baby watch. Baby watch. Make it happen. Baby watch. What you're expecting? What? What you're expecting, Will?

It's a baby girl, man. A baby girl? Due date is Sunday. Sunday. Yes. You're listening now. It's Wednesday. The due day was this past Sunday.

I might be a dad as you guys are watching. Or we might be late in the game. We might be late in the game. Who knows, bro. That's outstanding, Willie. That's pretty dope. Yeah, I pointed out of Taylor, because he couldn't get standing.

Yeah. Why we had to do the late, why we had to do this late episode. That's right. Because your nanny's been out of town. So people don't see all of that, man. You know, you take that into account, man. What's that? Like, they don't always get that part, right?

Like, they wouldn't think, you know, the big, strong, I'll knock your ass out, you know, Taylor the One, got to not do his show because he ain't got a nanny. That's true. I'm a god, man. I'm a dad. You know what I try to be the good dad. Family first.

No question. about it. Family first. I appreciate you guys, man. Yeah, this has been fun, bro. I appreciate you. I put the jacket on us. Big Mistake. I hope you get your dream guest. I do think you go. You guys are able to post this. We'll figure it out. Yeah, yeah. Trump will come on. Well, we'll definitely figure out. I can't wait for you to ask that question either. I'll be fucking dialed in. Can I say this really quick? Absolutely. Yeah. My cousin, Malone Bowden. He just recently graduated, played ball at Georgetown. He is the first female GA in college football. at the University of Michigan.

She'll be coaching quarterbacks this year. Let's talk and quarterback this year. That's huge. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Mission,

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