Bussin' With The Boys - George Kittle

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

Recorded: March 2, 2020 George Kittle aka "The People's Tight End" joins The Boys on the bus because we obviously had to get a 49er for Episode 049. The boy, George (and his legendary father, Bruce, who sat off-screen) hung out with The Boys to discuss the 49ers playoff run, why some people call him Greg, his obsession with wrestling, giving up partying for football, and what it's like playing in San Francisco. Later, Will explains his visualization process during a conversation about mental training, Taylor picks which win he liked better between beating Baltimore and beating New England, we playback some of George's high school and college tape, and all 3 dudes name their favorite Nashville bars. ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB/ Website: https://www.bussinwtb.comFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's one of the best tight ends in the NFL, arguably the best. He plays for the San Francisco 49ers. He's known as the. people's tight end because he's a huge wrestling fan. We actually get into his obsession with the WWE. In 2019, he set a record for most receiving yards by season from a tight end. He also brought his dad, shout out Bruce Kittle.

He brought him on the bus, and it was a blast. He had some good insight, chirped Taylor a little bit. Dude to badass, man. It was fun having him on. He played for Iowa. Both of them played at Iowa. I think that's true. I think they both played at Iowa.

Anyway, I'm drawing a blank right now. CT, you guys know how it is. But George played at Iowa. So we talk about Nebraska, Iowa, of course. We talk about the 49ers playoff run. What Super Bowl Media Week is like. Who would have won Titans versus 49ers, had the Titans beat the Chiefs? So they argue a little bit about that.

Playing for Coach Shanahan. We asked him the question, would you rather not make the playoffs or losing the Super Bowl like they did? Why some people call him Greg, which is a funny-ass story. We hit on in college when he had to check himself and look himself. in the mirror and give up partying for football. So he kind of explains a big transitional point in his football career. We also talk about visualization and how that plays into our game. George talks about his reset button and his Joker tattoo, how important George's dad is in

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Big hugs, tiny kisses. Enjoy this episode. Take a mental break from everything going on and enjoy George Kittle. Yeah. On the bus, we probably already get an intro for this. We do the intros after and the outroes. Do we do autos?

We do whatever we want. We do whatever we want. Because it's our bus. It's our show. Brought on George Kittle. His dad is a high. Almost Super Bowl champ. Almost Super Bowl champ.

We'll get in all that. but a surprise guest his father Bruce which is the most dad name of all time so congratulations on that that's unbelievable I was my father's name was Bruce um he came right in and he was ready we came right at us so how did you find out about bust with the boys uh I came here was like three or four months ago or something like that but I got a Google alert for George's kind of following its track and stuff and your show popped up and I'd never heard of it so I okay what's just about so I pop it and then I got to listen to it and I was going away and then all of a sudden you guys go on this rant about kind of the dipshits that

color glasses with no prescription or the blue light kind of bulls and then I think a Michigan boy there kind of went off and like a bunch of softs. He does that. Yeah. Michigan boy? Hey, I'm sitting here a little tight. Hey, you know, Bruce is like turned to his board and just rode her and he on. Yeah, like the guy from Billy Madison

with a lipstick. He puts it on and is on the couch. Thank God I called that guy. Yeah. I got a few dings in there. Did you, do you play college sports at all? I did. I played at Iowa also. You played, okay, so this is like a family lineage of going to Iowa City and playing ball there. Yeah. Hard place to play.

Yeah. Kinnick. Yeah. Are you all you from Iowa? Yeah. Live most of my life there, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah.

What's that like living there in Iowa? Idiots out wandering around. That's what I owe the world an apology. That's how I always remembered Iowa. Either those work for me. What did you say? It's better than Nebraska. I owe the world an apology.

Nebraska is essentially the same thing as Iowa. Except it's flat, like Iowa has nice rolling hills and actually good corn. Yeah. I don't know what Nebraska has. Oh, you took everything they stand for. Yeah. So this is. So,

you can't even. I said it immediately. Not being from Nebraska, I can't speak on the corn part. Oh, that's fine. But you went there. You chose to go there. I got an offer there and I went.

If you get an outside, if you get an hour outside of Lincoln, my dad's from a cook, which is like almost, it's about halfway all the way to, to Colorado. There's nothing. Oh,

there's absolutely nothing. What's in Iowa? You'll be driving and not stop, but a stop sign, just go coast around through and you'll just see a town of 102 people. Yeah, that's amazing. No, that's exactly. My dad's hometown, 94 people, right?

And the next town literally is 65 miles away. Yeah. And it's only paved north and south. Everything else is going east and west, all gravel or dirt. And they say there's more cows than people, right? Yeah, no doubt. Between cows, pigs and all that. Yeah.

Not even close. I don't want to flip the script at all because we have been going a little hard on Iowa, but that's kind of a cool, like, way of life. Kind of do whatever you want. Everyone knows each other. Yeah, you get in a lot of trouble growing up You seem like one of those guys Yeah, but I'm Nebraska

Oh, Nebraska Oh, I thought you're talking about Iowa That was Nebraska It's okay, I'm taking Those are the same states to me There's probably like 15 states What's that? Nebraska Iowa's a big deal

That border Is it really? Yeah, it is to those folks, yeah Yeah, yeah, to those folks Now are you still like big Iowa Hawkeye guy Oh, I kind of graduated when he did You know what I mean? So it's, I mean, it was all good

It's been good to, it was good to me When I was there And it was, I did that And then went to graduate school there and all that. So the university's been good and all that, the program. And they were great to George. So we're all good, but, you know, we were kind of ready to move on. Yeah. Did you grow up, a Nebraska fan then, since your dad grew up there? Well, no, I brought my dad's heart. So I got recruited by Nebraska and Iowa. They're diehards. Am I? Now, when did you play there? So I graduated

in 77. So I was there, fall of 77 through 81, co-captain 81,000, so we did make it finally. Solid flags. Yeah, so there you go. And, yeah, so no, Tom Osborne, actually, the highlight of my dad's life is still, because he had two brothers. and they all went to Nebraska, my grandfather, everybody, and got offered by Nebraska and Iowa, a couple of hours, and anyway, I ended up going to Iowa. My grandfather was so... Did they get to meet Tom?

Oh, yeah. It was a big deal. Yeah, Tom would show up, and then he pulled out... Back then they had the big red gum. Do you remember that? Yeah, kind of sticks. And so that was his closer. You know, he's going, well, he'd slide the big red gum across.

He goes, we hope you choose Big Red. Yeah. Oh, no way. Probably like, hey, there's more where that came. Like a bobby team thing. That's awesome. Yeah, it was very cool. My dad was just, that was his big day.

And then you broke your family's heart. Yeah. Would you like to take this time to apologize to your family? No, it was all good. All right. I thought I put it out there. We're all about second chances on bus. All of the older people in Bontan, Missouri, when Tom came to visit were, I had teachers,

there were teachers sprinting down the hallway to get his autograph. Really? Yeah. Oh. He was insane. Tom is a legend. He's a legend. He is.

He's a great, great man. And, I mean, he was terrific about everything. He was, it was an honor to have him calling and do all that kind of stuff. That's pretty badass. It was good. So what was the deciding fact that took you to Iowa? George, we'll get to you in a second. Yeah, yeah.

Why do you think I brought him here? No doubt. You got it all set up. You know, part of it was a little bit of familiarity, but it was just, you know, I wrestled and I knew a bunch of the guys in the state. And we had so many, you know, kind of guys that decided to go there. And it was just kind of a clan thing, I think. Kind of our graduating class tried to want to make a difference and thought we'd stay at home.

So that was a big chunk of it. So, but I don't know. And the rest was good and all that. They were just a tad full of themselves, honestly. You know, they had the two national titles and all that kind of stuff, and they kind of pat their chest a little bit like you're just supposed to drop over and think they're the greatest thing. And, yeah, it wasn't all that good.

So anyway. Yeah, I mean, I'd probably be untouchable if we won Natty's when I was there, but we didn't. No, you guys didn't. We were like nine and ten and four the entire time. I was undefeated against Iowa, though. When was your first year there? 2012. That might have been my scene.

Was Levante David playing still, or was that when we came to you guys in like the zero-degree weather? It was negative 25, but yeah. Yeah. I didn't play a snap. But I was dressed. You were dressed? I was dressed. No sleeves?

No, no, no sleeves. Of course not. No sleeves. But you're out there like frozen. It was miserable. Hey, best part about that game was, so we were four and 11 and we, sorry, four and eight at the end of that. And there's fans behind us because I'm a freshman. I have no impact in the game.

I'm standing by a heater. And there are fans behind us yelling us. We're losing because our mindset is weak for standing in front of a heater and negative 25 to be heat. Oh, yeah. I'm mentally weak. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. My bad guys.

But you ended up, you ended up beating, you guys, how many times you beat Nebraska? I beat Nebraska twice. I never lost at Lincoln. I'm a 2-0 there. And then I won my senior year. We beat the absolute dog shit out of them. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think the last five years we've been struggling against Iowa. Tough, yeah.

Fortunately, though, I was 2-0. So just to chime in, though, see, we beat them when they ranked 5th in the nation. My senior year where they came over, we hadn't had a winning season in 20 years. And Big Tom rolled in, yeah, we ended up beat them. I think it was like 24-17 or something. And they were number five? Yeah, either five or six, something like that. You know, it was the second game of the season.

Did you guys storm the field? The crowd, oh, it was sick. Yeah, I bet it was. That's awesome. Yeah, it was crazy. That was a big one for us. That was really fun. Do you think that's one of the issues that Nebraska has now?

Is there a little too full of themselves? Well, I just think they thought it was going to be easy to reload. And it just, you know, with recruiting and parity and everything like that and with recruiting rules and all that kind. Because then back in my day, I mean, every freshman was on a freshman team and you used a year of eligibility. Then they read sure to you. And the freshman team had 150 guys on it.

That's wild. I mean, that's how, you know, it just was. That is nuts, dude. It was crazy. I mean, you'd come out and they'd walk you over to the freshman private. They were, like, totally separate. So, I mean, they had practically 300 bodies that were part of Nebraska football during that time. So it was just a whole different thing, the way they recruited.

They just gave out as many scholarships as they needed to. They would just recruit enough people. Even if you couldn't play for them, you couldn't play for anybody else. Really? Yeah. There was just so many bodies. So it was just a whole different philosophy back then before they kind of cut everything down. Yeah, that's wild.

It's crazy the transition that happens between like college teams. Like in the 90s, early 2000s, Michigan was extremely relevant. You know, the U, Miami, 80s and 90s, and then Nebraska was a big deal. USC when I was coming out of high school, I graduated high school in 2009. And it was like USC, Texas, Florida, Tim Tebow was there then. And so that was like, and it's kind of like just these ebbs and flows. One team that's kept together forever is Alabama. for like last decade and a half.

Yeah, Alabama's insane. Clemson now, though. Yeah, but Clemson's been, I don't want to say relevant to be disrespectful, but like, relevant from a national title standpoint, how long have they been? It's been like...

Just a few years, right? Yeah, five, six years. Yeah. So that's kind of like the trend, then like the next team will come in, the next team, but I think Clemson is going to be good for a while. Yeah, they probably will.

I mean, yeah, they're solid. They're really good. They have a, you know, they have a lot of white boys in that team. They're really fat. There's so many white guys. Hunter Renfro.

shout out Hunter Renfro, dude. Really? Looks like a car salesman, but that dude can run some miles. I'm talking scrappy out there on the field, dude. I like watching. A lot of white Dates on Clemson. I just got to say that again. Just crazy.

Just crazy. They're carrying a heavy torch, man. It's a heavy torch to carry. It is. So what do you want to do? You want to go back? You want to hit high school first? You want to hit this past Super Bowl and go,

and Clinton Tarantino. Which one do you want? Yeah, that one. Do you want to Quentin Tarantino? Sure. Taylor's favorite. Take us through so you go play in the Super Bowl. Yes.

So before we go to the Super Bowl, double Quentin Tarantino. Oh, wow. Take us to NFC Championship. You guys play the Green Bay and Donkey Stomp Green Bay. No offense to Green Bay. Yeah. And so, like, do you guys think to yourself,

we're going to win the Super Bowl, no problem? Yeah, I mean, confidence was definitely high. Like, I mean, I knew they have a ton of great players. I mean, like, thing for me, it's the NFL, like everybody has great players. It's not like you're not playing a crappy college. Right, right. Everyone has playmakers.

So, like, I mean, I think both teams' confidence was incredibly high just to like, you know, they what came back from two 20-point deficits to get to the Super Bowl, and we just curb-stombed dudes two weeks in a row. So, yeah, we were both pretty confident, especially us with our run game. I mean, I was pumped about it. Yeah. You guys only threw the ball like eight times. Yeah, the Vikings game, we had eight attempts, and then the Packers game, I think we had 11.

Jimmy G had an hour in between passing the football. Really? Yeah, he passed a ball like once in the beginning of the second quarter, and there was another pass until like 10 minutes up in the third quarter. It's like a high school game. That's literally a high school football game. It was nuts. That's an offense lineman's dream.

It was my dream. Oh, yeah, you're a big fan of blocking, right? Oh, it's the best. Especially our scheme. It's amazing. What's your mission statement? Say your mission statement. There was something I read.

I talked about your mission statement. It's something about taking souls. That is one of mine. No, my favorite quote is moving a man for point A to point B against as well. It's the greatest feeling you ever feel. You said that? I didn't say that. That's his favorite quote.

No, you know who said. Do you know who said that? No, I don't know who said that was Russ Grimm. Hall of Famer part of the Hogs. Well, I know he did say it, but it's attributed to my lineage with the Iowa, right. Kirk Ferrence came my senior year. So he was my line coach and I was on staff there for four seasons. And his two of his prime mentors were Bad Rad who coached at Pittsburgh during the Steelers heyday and then Joe Moore.

Really? Yeah. And so he always attributed to Joe Moore. And I heard Joe Moore when he visited us and we visited him, he would always say that. So if you ask Coach Ferrence, Kirk would always say it was. KF will say that. Yeah, KF was the Joe Moore. That's a quote I've heard multiple times and it just kind of always stuck with me.

That's awesome. We had Russ Graham a couple years ago and he's, I mean, one of the Hogs Hallfamers already said that, but he was one of my favorite coaches of all time and he would say that all the time. And anytime we do a run game, meaning he was simple. He never made anything too difficult.

It wasn't like, hey, your landmarks should I be this. Your foot's got to be this. It was just, hey, you're deuce into this guy. Hey,

you guys are doubling to that guy or whatever. And he would always say, it's a guy from point A, from point A to point B against his will. That's unbelievable. It's, it's great. When you take someone away, yeah, that's a nice gig.

Would you call that a hold? Did it get called? No, it did not get called. That's totally fair. We're asking you, do you think it was a hold? There's a holding on every single play. Right, but you had the nice down block too there. Yeah, but did it get called?

Hey, what were you doing when you were landing on the ground? You're just laughing? God. Because I was like that was really far and easy. Was he saying anything to you? I said, man, why'd you have to do that? He said that? Because it's football.

George is like yelling laughing down there Who's the hardest guy you've had to block? Clomax's tough Yeah, Clomax is a stud He's a stud. He's a stud. Dude, he looks like an animal out there. Clowny's pretty good too.

Yeah, Clowny's a stud. I played against Clowny in the Outback Bowl When he had that like infamous hit. Oh yeah. Yeah, that was. Whose fault was that? Taylor's. It was a power scheme

and I called Deuce and then the tight end was like Trey I was like no it's a deuce Oh man he's pulling the face I want to put you put your boy right under this bus and he's under it dude If this bus could run right now he'd be under it See I saw a great quote from him after the game

It was like he's like yeah Everyone's baited me for that block but it wasn't my fault I blocked the right guy Really? Because I remember like oh the Tideon said that The Tideon said that 100% brutal so What's the titan's name? No free shoutouts

He doesn't need to be said that I thought we were shouting out No, no. I'm not going to shout out, Kyle. I'm not going to shout out. Hey, here we go. Dude, I'll tell you what,

the thing is messed up the third level blocking. He went for the, he went for the easiest guy to block. And I'm out and I hit him. Oh my gosh. Yo. The guy kind of smacked me too.

What if he was a linebacker kind of hit me? Why am I always getting smacked? What if he would have scored there? Clownie took that dude. On this play, they did like it was like fourth down or something like, third down going to fourth down or fourth down. It would have been turnover. And we missed the first.

down by like less than a foot but they called it a first down and the next play this happened and you guys ended up losing that game right yeah we ended up losing this game because i remember being all we were all pissed off because you want the big 10 to always beat the s he said these bowl games and you guys are beating them yeah Vincent smith there i am and there i go and oh it was your fault Okay. What do you think right here? I mean, you're a tight end. What are we seeing here, boys? We got a tackle and a tight end. Why would you doze this? Because they did a lot of movement. They went from like aga to B gap a lot. So if we had a two I at any time, we would deuce through. If you left me on an island versus him, I would have, I would have hated you for that. Yeah, probably. I'm sure he does too.

He will say his name, Kyle. He just kind of took his arm. I would say his name. I'm not blame. Where was the DE lined up? Was he a... He was a six-eye. Six-eye. And you left him? Oh, let's go! We got the kiddle...

Bruce! We got the Kuddle family in here. Listen. Look at that. You're going to leave him alone? See, do you see the guy that's in the two? They did a lot of slanting. They were a movement type of team.

And what is power? Power is a gap scheme play. That's your classic power play. And it's don't leave the Titan alone. And also, he's got to take better steps to get down. But you didn't have anybody to be gap. I know because there's a two-ey-ey-ed-old. I know what I is.

I've said it three times. I thought you'd get it out for the second. That's brutal. You coached that Oklahoma, right? We're not going to just walk past this for a quick. I'm getting abused on my own podcast right now. I will say that Vincent Smith was Vincent Smith, he's like 5'4. He's a short little guy and he took this hit like a champ.

All right, go ahead and move on. He said go ahead and move on. He took it like a champ. Shout to Devin Gardner for actually going for the ball. Yeah. That was an head. Hey, that was enjoyable. Well, do you like that?

It was just because he sat back and he said, And he said, why would you deuce that? And you guys seem to talk the same language. So, you know, I'm just going to observe and enjoy it. Seems like a father sticking up for a son in a situation. No, but we were talking about. Yeah, that, yeah, that comes in. Yeah.

He heard deuce and he said what? Yeah, exactly. He has no idea. How do you don't know what deuce means? I just don't know. You're a smart guy, though. That's your thing. I mean, I would get it if I said in offensive meetings for a week.

But is deuce not a universal term? Yeah. Deuce is what? Double to the next level? What does that mean? I guess so, sure. That actually would be a fair way to put it. Yeah.

So you would both double until somebody was able to see Bruce gets it. Until somebody shot a gap and you had to come off and hit that dude. Well, Deuce just tells him like triple is me and Taylor work together. Like is Deuce like a duo? Yeah. So guard tackle. Okay, okay, okay. I know what duo means.

Center guard. Yeah, duo is more like a, it's a gap scheme play without a puller. Right. Yeah. And then power, basically, I will teach everyone. everybody have block power right now close your eyes go to one o'clock thank taylor hey taylor's gonna dig himself out of this yeah that sounds yeah that's what you gotta do and if you have a two i and they move a lot and it's a game plan go into a bull game you do what the coach says to do sorry blame me coaches yeah

how about you overcome coaching oh let's go oh my god listen let's talk about something the kansas city chiefs beat the guys 11 by 11 points yes they did and the titans lost the kansas city chiefs also by 11 points. So it's your fault. Well, yeah, I guess so it's everybody's fault. It's a team sport. Oh, you're right. A lot of individuals on this bus, Bruce.

I'm thinking, who do you think would have won in a Super Bowl between the Titans and the 49ers? I think we would have won. Okay. And elaborate. Elaborate? You guys have a good run game? Kay, we do too. You guys have a good defense.

Kay, we do too. Yeah. Well, see, our run game, though, we're, I think we led, well, we're second in the NFL. behind only the Ravens because Lamar can run for 200 a game. Right. He's pretty good. Beat them.

You guys did, we lost to them. That was a fun game to watch. That was a cool game to be a part of. Wait, which game did you like better? Beating New England or beating Baltimore? Oh, that's a good question.

I think, probably beating Baltimore because I've been to the divisional round before and go to the AFC championship. It's like, holy shit, you're one game away from the show. So close. Like, you're so close. I think,

I think of Rable, this year he'd probably say the Patriots. Oh, yeah, for him. Vrail would for sure say the Patriots. That's one of your best interviews, by the way. Yeah. No, he was unbelievable. He did a great job on that.

He loves, he loves bustling with the boys. He does. He wants to come back on. He does. I actually said something about a player's toe, and he texted me. And he was like, we'll make sure to bring this up during OTAs because we're not supposed to talk about other guys' injuries. So I texted the guy.

And I said, I apologize to him. Apologized to Vrabel, but I'm definitely going to get it when OTA started. And then Brable text me. He's like, I just want to let you know what I said to your boy. me the same thing. Hey, Rayble's a boy now. He does,

he loves busts with the boys. John, not so much. But you talk about saying out of the media, Ray was just heavy in the media on FaceTiming with Brady. So he was FaceTime on Brady?

He was FaceTime and Edelman. Yeah, Edelman and Brady's next to him and they're all FaceTiming. So they're like Brady to the Titans confirmed, but yeah, everybody's arguing on social media right now. What was that posted on Barstool? But Vrabel.

Posted everywhere. I mean, yeah, it's everywhere. Nice. But Vrabel's face is on the Face time. So you could, you know,

his face is there. the media. What a great shop by the guy's sitting behind. Yeah. That's pretty good at that. No one's safe anymore. You can't do anything. No.

And you get exposed. Oh yeah. No chance. That's tough stuff, man. I mean, back in 1918, 1877 or whenever your old man played like... He told me that he would have been in jail had there been cameras and stuff. Oh, no question. Yeah.

No question. Bruce has got that. You got that salty old guy vibe, which that's a compliment. Okay. Please don't take that. Hey, I'm done. I better to get my ass beat just now. He said, oh, okay.

Do they have it? Does that count as tampering? That's what, But it shouldn't really count us tampering because they're boys. They know each other. It's like if you became a coach and we were boys and you FaceTime me,

would that be a problem? Not for me. But does the NFL get mad at that? If somebody wanted to get petty enough, there he is. Dude, the boys, the boys rocket back there. So what brought you guys in Nashville? How'd you guys move here? Why are you pulling this up?

That's rude of you. God. That's a good game. It is a great game. Not with the play. It's a nice PI call. But what did you say, sorry?

What brought you guys in Nashville? You guys live in Nashville now, right? Yeah, just bought a house in April. Really? Yeah, yeah. We're at? Like a block away from Lipscomb and high school.

Really? Yeah. Very cool. You work out down there? Oh, yeah, I do my training there. He's the O-line coach there. Very cool. Hey, with Holt.

Yeah. Holt's a stud, man. Lipscomb's got that thing all figured out, huh? Aren't they redoing a whole weight room and everything? Just did. Really? Yeah. he's got 18 years in the league.

Really? Yeah, he left the Texans to take our job. No way. Yeah, because his kids plays the quarterback, and so he wanted him to come because he knows Dillford from the old days and all that stuff. That's awesome.

Yeah, so it's pretty good. No, they just redid it with all his stuff he wanted from whatever he's been doing. I can't remember it makes it, but yeah, it's pretty special. And you also reside in Nashville? Yeah. So what brought you guys from Iowa to here? We're at Iowa.

We're at Iowa. Just finished my rookie season. I was going to go back, live with my parents in Iowa sitting in his train at the University of Iowa. But, like, after a week of being there, Doyle rules. I was like, well, I don't have a quarterback, so I can't run routes. And there's no other wide receivers here. I was literally the only offensive skill position there. Everything else was offensive line or D-line.

I was like, well, I can't, like, yeah, I can lift weights all I want. But being a tight end, you kind of have to catch the ball once in a while. Yeah. And so my quarterback from Iowa, C.J. Bethard, who's our backup quarterback at San Francisco, he was like, yeah, just come to Nashville, we'll run routes, will work out together the whole shebang. And then my wide receiver from San Francisco, Trent Taylor, also lives in Nashville. So yeah, you can come train with me and did that right after my rookie year.

Worked that well for me. Did it again last year. And then I just loved it so much about a house. No doubt. And Nashville is just sick. Nashville is a sweet place. I got to tell you the weather, though. It's depressing.

It's brutal. February and March are not fun. And then July is really human, but it's fun. Yeah, but it's still Nashville. It's just cloudy and rainy. Yeah. Live in Iowa. Yeah.

Can't. Exactly. I grew up in Arizona, man. There's like five rainy days of year. A week ago, it was like, like 10 degrees and 6 inches of snow. That's wild. Will and I were talking about that on the phone before this podcast

is like, I was like, how do you live here like in February, March time? Because it's like, if I don't get sun, like if there's not, I like almost get depressed. It does actually, it gets you down. Taylor, he grew up in Arizona. Yeah. I just said that.

The poor, the poor guy. I was going to say, I was going to say, I thought he just said. I thought he just said. I do appreciate that. you kind of throw it back out. It is tough. It's tough.

Hey, but what do I say about living in Nashville? You got to embrace the suck. I think you appreciate the seasons more. I appreciate Broadway. I appreciate Broadway. It's a blast. What's your spot in Nashville? Oh, wow.

Going out, you're cutting loose for one night. Oh, I'm a big fan of Luke Brines and FGL house. FGL is solid for sure. I like both those places. It's fun. When we did the Jersey reveal thing for the Titans' New uniforms, they were all they like that's where the after party was at gell house it's a good they're a good set up downstairs is sick too yeah that's a nice spot you've been to losers oh i love losers that's my

dude that is my number one spot yeah saturday's catch me in the back ma'am i'm a friday guy there are you really yeah yeah yeah we're just missing each other we'll flip it we'll flip it i'll come to you on saturday i'll go on saturday i'll go to fgill house there's a couple bachel parties the weekend of the march 14th if you're interested i'll be in cabo the boys will be in cabo i was just back from Cabo. How was Cabo? The best. Dude, is Cabo and I want to own a place there?

Oh, yeah, 100%. What's great is I fly down from San Francisco and it's like a two-hour flight. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's super easy for me. Yeah, going to customs is super easy there too. Just in and out. And all of a sudden you're on the beach for five days, seven days.

I want to know where Ezekiel Elliott's training down there during his holdouts. Someone told me I do not remember, though. But it was like right on a really, really nice like Tiger Woods golf course, I'm pretty sure. Is it like a nice setup there? sick that's one thing Nashville needs to get is like um like you have you heard would you train for the combine exos yep so i'm a big exos guy are you i love what they do i really do i'm a big exos i'd no free but that was free that was free we'll we'll blip them out blip the people it's part of the it's part of the deal yeah yeah it's part it's part of the gig here i'm busting with the boys i'm a big fan i think like

national needs like a good solid like an exos type place yeah because not everybody has access to lipscom like y'all do very true you know what i'm Sam? Or Vandy. Yeah, Vandy's solid too. That's where we work out in the summertime and all that. So you go to the Super Bowl. Yeah. Back on track.

Yeah. Yeah, we're all the place. Tell us what that week's like going through the whole thing. Like the whole media, all that stuff. The media is wild. It's an experience. Just because you do it, you have like, what is like two hours on Monday night. And then you have an hour of the next day and then an hour of the next day and then an hour of the next day.

And by the third and fourth days, you either have the exact same. questions or you have a bunch of people running around trying to do get you to do really stupid stuff. I had a dude from a German, uh, Germany news like podcast or something like that. He tried to get me to swear in German on like national television like multiple times. Like all four days, he tried to get me to say swear words. Did you do it? No. Why not?

My PR guys would, you know, they would have not been happy with me. Yeah, PR guys aren't usually happy with me of the Titans. See, I try to be nice, you know. That's good. No, you're, you're, you're coachable. You're a people person. Coachable. I get it.

Are you describing me because I'm white? No, I'm just, yeah. First in, last out. Lunch pale guy. Yeah, lunch pale guy. Limited athletically. Sealing. Got a ceiling for sure.

There's no floor. It's no floor. Oh my gosh. But yeah, the media week, that stuff is wild. Practice was different. I mean, we were at the University of Miami, which was pretty cool, like being in one of their locker rooms and seeing their facilities, which is sick. I mean, but they did a really good job of making it as normal of a game week as you possibly could.

but I mean yeah it was pretty normal it's pretty easy the media stuff gets pretty old pretty quick but other than that you just go play football do you like do you have like a routine during the week obviously that you like massages do you do IVs and stuff like that so how did you were able to do that when you're down in Miami well our team was a great job like three days two days a week they bring in this is in California they bring in a massage therapy like a team of 10 to 12 people massage therapists chiropractors acupuncturist like the whole shebang twice to us too and so then they brought all those people to Miami with us no way that's awesome it was that's all time yeah so sick so I got to I mean like that stuff was easy for me I didn't have to adjust anything the only thing I like what sucks about doing stuff on the road in my opinion is all this time you spend on a bus going to and from places yeah because instead of I live five minutes from my facilities in San Francisco and so as soon stuff gets done I'll get it's a five minute drive home for me then I have the rest of my day yeah like there was I was a 30 minute bus ride and they went to wait for everyone and it's another 30 minute bus ride then you have to go to media for an hour and a half

and so like I wasted basically two and a half hours before I could do so that part sucked but it was whatever after that what's it like playing for coach janehan awesome god Kyle's just I mean he's the man I love playing for him um I think one of my favorite things about him is like first thing I think he just loves football so much and like when you have a guy that loves football and you're like not work for him it makes it pretty easy to play for the guy like he doesn't have to give us a pump-up speech or like that you can just tell how much it means to him um but also like he just straight up with everybody. He doesn't lie.

Like, even when, like, we were, what, four and 12 last year, and he still got up in front of the team, didn't bullshit us straight like that. He's like, this is why we're not good. This is a way to do it be better. Like, we just got to work hard and practice better. So he's always straight up with us, and that's what I love about him.

And he's a great, you know, he's all about the players. He just wants to make sure everyone, you know, bodies are healthy, ready to roll into each game. Being four and 12, do you think the biggest change is obviously having Jimmy G healthy? Then, like, I mean, we grew up, honestly. Like, my rookie year, I think it was like, we had 20 rookies on the active, roster or 15, something like that. And then the next year was all for rookies and then second

year guys. Like everybody was. We didn't have any vets. Joe Staley was our vet. And other than that, we really didn't have. It's a hell of a vet to have. He's amazing. I love that guy's an all time dude. Super pumped that he's coming back. I hope he is. Yeah. Is he a free agent or is just like a possible retirement? Possible retirement. I don't think so. Dude, I heard and I don't know. So if he hears this, I'm speaking out of rumors that I heard. Joe who's talking shit. I'm talking shit, Joe. I heard that I heard that like before Shan Han got there, he was. He was. like kind of ready to hang it up. And then when Shanahan got there,

he enjoyed the offense so much. He's like, I'll keep doing this. I like this. The Titans, Titans and Fortniteers, we run similar offense. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, but I don't know. I do know that he has definitely enjoyed playing this offense. So like, it's run game friendly. Like the amount of work that we had to do together too just makes our lives a lot easier. Yeah.

It's a fun offense. No, I love watching us play. How many runs do you guys usually keep going into games? Do you guys are pretty run heavy? Like, your run portfolio. Our run install, I'd say is between like first and second down out of 21, like everything but 11 personnel is 35 pages. Really?

Yeah. And then one plays, kill it plays with like our cans and all that stuff on them. And then we'll have between 10 and 15, 11 personnel runs. And then we add in the short yards and the goal on stuff later. So you guys here's a shitload of runs. 50 to 60 every week. Yeah. Do you think that ever becomes a problem for like younger guys being able to do? remember because like you can have three plays and they're all the exact same but outside zone but like it's a little different for the titan on this play it's a little different for the z on this play i mean like i struggled my rookie year with it it was it was super hard because like like we have a play called zelda and we have a player called zorro which are the exact same basically for everybody except for the tide in the fullback and but they sound the same they're kind of similar yeah yes switch responsibilities on this place essentially yeah right but it's just like oh geez but i've gotten used to it um and they've

They've gotten a lot better of installing it, too, so it's broken down a lot easier so younger guys can figure it out. But we also don't really have that many young guys on our line. Like, McGlenshy is the youngest guy. And other than that, I think everyone's five years or Lakin, I think is a five. Yeah. Yeah, so we have an older offensive line now, which is nice. But there are some confusing stuff, but we work it out. No doubt.

Shanahan's a stud, man. When I was on the skins of my rookie year, it was Shanahan, Lafleur, and Sean McVeigh all in the same staff. squad. And those dudes were like up every night all night, just scheming all the time. Because Coach Mike Shanahan was the head coach at that point. He's also a monster. Yeah, they were studs, man. And they were fun to be around because they're like younger and everything.

And they were just always, you know, busts in their ass about everything. They're just always schematics, arguing, just everything. And now they're all, you know, head coach is just killing it. Lafleur was the same way at the Titans. Like he'd be there till midnight. I don't know how those guys get to sleep. I don't know. It's like they don't give a shit.

I've never. They're just like, yeah, we're trying to win this whole thing. Yeah. We got Shanahan who's like the OC head coach. And then we have Mike Lafleur. So Lefleur's brother. And there's our past game coordinator. And then Mike McDaniels is our run game coordinator.

And I don't think I've ever seen any of those three guys leave or get to work. Really? They're always just there when I get there. That's wild, dude. I've never seen him leave. That's how our O-line coaches are the Titans a little bit. He's always grinding it out. I mean, when we finish the AFC championship game,

when we were doing exit interviews, he was like, all right, we'll see later. as opposed to like the year before we had like 20 minutes all of us sitting down talking he's like all right well you guys we'll see in OTAs good job yeah yeah we'll deal get him next time kind of thing they were ready they were ready to get out man they were ready to take a little bit of a break that's got to be tough though do you um would you rather not make the playoffs or go to the Super Bowl and lose we're just having this conversation like were you really yeah like I don't know because I mean like going to Super Bowl it's the Super Bowl it's the Super Bowl so like that in itself is awesome but like if I got to the NFC championship and loss I think I I would have rather almost not made the playoffs. Right. Because it's just two months extra on your body or a month and a half. Yeah. It's brutal. Getting done in.

Going that. Yeah. Getting done in December, getting done December 31st as compared to January 20th. Like those 20 days of like those 20 days you lost in your off season already. I know. So it's crazy. I've had a hard time like, um, like with my times just because I did the AFC championship.

Yeah. And now like usually I take like January off. Now you can't. And then I go work out. And so like I was in what two days after. after the AFCN, I was like, I got to say, I got to work out. Like this is, I guess that's my vacation. But you're also ready to go though, based on how you were feeling because.

Yeah, I've never felt so. I've never felt so good. I don't think since high school. Yeah. I felt a lot better. Dude. It makes you like, when you don't make the playoffs, like, my first two years, we were two and 14 and then three and 13.

And I was like, how do, how do fucking guys do this? This is awful. Like, like, lose every week. Lose every single week. No, like you're in November and the vets are making their plans for vacation. Like, what do you guys do? It's like middle of November. because you know you're not making the playoffs.

And it's like- And coaches are so like, hey, if this team loses and we win and you end up getting in like, Yeah, there's all these math math matters. You can like get in at six and ten and you're like, man, I just hope we don't. Yeah. Just kidding. It's like, yeah, if you're like one of those teams that squeeze in, sometimes you're like, I mean, we were one of those teams that squeezed in at the end

or then went on a run. But it's like sometimes it's like there's those teams that make the playoffs don't have any business in the playoffs. But they just happened to be the six seed that got in. And it's like, okay, you just wasted your vacation for a week. Yeah. You know? It's not like,

I mean, like the pay is not the same. Like the, some guys' checks go dramatically down in the playoffs. Yeah, I don't get that. Like Russell Wilson makes whatever he makes, and then the playoffs he makes $30,000 in the first round.

That's outrageous. Unbelievable. It's outrageous. I think it should be that way. No. Remember we talked about that? Yeah, but why do you think? Taylor's like,

you know, you make whatever you guys make, like $40,000 for the, for whatever game. I think it's like $29,000 for the, first two games they're the same and it goes up a little bit it's still a solid it's still a solid check to see we're talking but like first off right right russell's but like you're for him yeah i know for him there but me you're not on your second deal yet so i you're not you haven't even hit your

fourth year so you're still on like a rookie structure so it's a nice bonus so it's a nice bonus for the boys yeah but like what about the fellas but yeah true no doubt but i also said you both about the fellas but i also said somebody who's somebody who's big paid but also on the sideline and you're out there grinding, you're like, oh, this dude's making his same game day check. Yeah, like, I mean, like I said, I like the bonus, like for, I got a rookie tight-in and then a second-year tight-in that were both under abstractry agents. Like for them, yeah, that's awesome. Like, it's great for me too, but I'm just saying, like, Russ Wilson, him, like, why, like,

why would you go out there at like $30,000? Like, when you're usually getting paid, I don't know, what, 300,000, 500,000, no, no, no, no, go ahead. What do you get? We can look it up, so just say it. No, I don't say. It's okay. I just bleep it out yeah just bleep yeah I make a game per week I make a game I make a

you got a you got a pause for a second yeah it makes I know Bruce is here staring me down I feel uncomfortable saying how much I make you should okay that's fine you can Google it but I will say like anybody who's listening this anybody who listens this like obviously like $29,000 is a lot of money you're Googling it $29,000 is a lot of money like die we're talking about from a relative standpoint when you play in the NFL like and you sign a second contract and it's a bigger contract and you sign a second contract like go to a spot and you play a certain amount of money for games no no no no no first link i'm just gonna i'm just gonna wait until this is all over no i'm listening 80 million people are listening just keep talking 80 million people that's funny that was

2019 was your base salary 11 millie this year Yeah, that was after I got suspended for four games. Good for you. So he's probably, you know, roughly. That's a lot. Don't do math. 800 something a game. So, but what I'm saying is, is that like when you go and you're making a

amount of money, let's say you're making $800,000 a game. Let's just say. And you go and you play another game. Why wouldn't that in the playoffs you're going to have, there's going to be more ratings, more money coming in for teams? Yeah. Why wouldn't you make your same check? And then they got, why would everybody make their same check?

Not a big math guy, but I don't understand. You know what I'm saying? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I love tequila. You can't beat it. Tequila, water, lime juice. Yeah. You're solid.

I like tequila pineapple juice. Really? A lot of sugar in that. Yeah, no, but it's juice, so then I feel healthy. There you go. I love it. They're squeezed. Yeah.

So I feel healthy. Let's get back to George a little bit, or a lot of bit. George? Yeah. Greg. George, either one. All right. Whatever, whatever, you know, ruffles or feathers.

Isn't it George? It is George. Yeah. Okay. Who said Greg? I don't know, who said Greg. You said Greg? I don't say Greg.

Yeah, those are two totally different names. Well, I get, I get, well, ESPN. I sat here like, holy shit, I thought I was George. You don't remember this? And then anything in the head, now they're thinking of the head thing's an issue. Yeah, my God. Why's I going to go to the hospital? Like three times last year, I think it was after the season.

I think it was ESPN, I think, put up all these, like, what tight in would you want on your team? And it was Kelsey, Kyle Rudolph, Greg Kittle, question mark. Really? Like three different times. That's hilarious. Who would you see at the top five tight ends in the league right now? No particular order. I love, I mean, Kelsey's amazing.

Zach Ertz is incredible. I think you have two fantastic tight ends in Walker and Smith. I think they're both unreal. Don't sleep on Furskir. Furster's a stud. And he's smart, too. Let's see. I like Will Disley in Seattle.

He just sees a play full season healthy, which he will. He's just been hurt. I mean, like, what I love about that, there's so many great tight ends in the NFL. Like, they're everywhere. And, you know, not all of them get, you know, the spot layer and like that. But I just think there's a bunch of really good ones out there.

And, you know, finally start to get a little recognition. I like that. Tide end position is definitely developing into something. It was kind of, like, fading for a little bit. And it's coming back full force. It is, definitely. Bigger guys catch the ball and run. We just had Darren Waller come on a couple days ago.

Oh, really? He's a stud. He's a monster. Yeah, he's a stud. I didn't. I always forget how he's what, six seven? He's told dude. He's like, no, I don't think he's six seven.

Yeah, probably six five. I've seen him on film. It's just he has the longest legs I've ever seen. I need his like gallops. Bro, he has the craziest story. I was telling Taylor about it because he wasn't here for that one, but it's the most insane story because he's a recovering addict. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And he was suspended for the entire year, I think of 2007, 2017. And basically when he drove back to Atlanta, he like OD'd in his car. and checked himself into rehab, 35 days, 12-step program, all that stuff, talked about how fire it was, and then basically worked at Sprouts for 1150 an hour until he got reinstated into the NFL. Bald was on the P-Square. They tried stuffing him on the P-Squod. You know how that works for guys who are good.

They tried to hide him on practice squad. Oakland Raiders at the end of the year saw him pre-game war of him. He was like, yo, who the fuck's this guy? And they activated him the next week, and that's how he started with Oakland. In 2018, then he had his year in 2019. They re-upped him mid-year, I think. after the London game. Yeah, like four weeks in, right?

Yeah, but dude, the most incredible story. But anyway, shout out Darren Waller. Dan Wall's a stud, man. Dude, playing at Iowa. Yeah. I was reading up on you earlier, and you were a big party guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Big party guy.

I read this huge article, I think, on NFL.com talking about, you know, you basically had to check yourself going into what, maybe senior year? Retcher junior year. Yeah, Richard junior year. You just, what did you do? You just focused more. You were having more fun than you were focused on ball or what? Well, my freshman year, because I redshirted, I think I went out five nights a week.

Sure. Really? Oh, yeah. Sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, I only have to wake up like at 6 a.m. twice a week for lifts. Other than that, like, we didn't have anything until the afternoon, so it was pretty easy. And when you're 19 years old, you recover pretty fast.

Yeah. Yeah, like you can drink a bottle of captain, and then you wake up the next day you can do a full workout without thinking twice about it. But, no, I just went from, I mean, I was from Iowa City, so I had plenty of friends there. Then along with the whole college life, it was awesome. But yeah, going into my lat was at Redshirt Junior year. I really didn't play a lot. I think I was fourth string on the depth chart. I had a younger guy below me.

I had a younger guy that was ahead of me on the depth chart. So, you know, that kind of bites at you. Yeah, no doubt. But, yeah, I was like, well, you know, I want to play football. My goal is to make it to the NFL. Like, what do I need to do to change this? And it was really weird. Like around that exact same time, we had a linebacker in who played at Iowa.

Pat Anger. Stud, technician. Just an absolute savage. And he came and he was doing, he was like transitioning as well, trying to do something new. But he did like a stint with us. He was like just a straight coach for a little bit. Just came in. You'll be a part of the program again.

And he talked to us for front of the team where KF introduced him as the guy that he didn't play at all like his first two years, I think, two and a half years. Because he got trouble all the time for being drunk downtown. But he liked the fight. I'm not a big fighter in downtown when I'm drunk. Pat was. You're a lover. Yeah. You're having fun. Everybody enjoy everybody.

Hey, everyone have a good time, baby. Good vibes only. But Pat, like, we'd get in fights and stuff like that. And so he, so I finally got an approach. I was like, you know, Pat, what did you change? He goes, I just looked myself in the mirror and said, do you want to play football or do you want to be known as Joe College your entire life? And he said, that's all I needed. And then after that, I stopped going out so much.

I stopped drinking so much. And, I mean, really, like, all it did really take me is kind of a wake-up call. But, I mean, did I still go out and enjoy myself? Yeah. Well, yeah. But I was just smarter about it. And I just did it when it was appropriate as opposed to in the middle of the week. So that was kind of the moment that were just like, okay, this guy, I soak in this advice.

I'm more of a sponge to what he's saying compared to what your dad was saying. What do you think when you read back on some of the stuff or did you know, did you have to get him to focus or what was it like, Raisin Old George? Well, Raisin or his college years. Let's say college years. Well, he loved because, I mean, I coached him all the way up until high school. You know what I mean? So every little than I was a coach.

So we had preached all that. I don't know. I'm glad that Pat came along, but it's nothing that we had told them. You know, I told him, watch film with your cue. You know, go in there, learn the offense, be a student of the game. Make sure you put your time in because he came out of high school at, you know, 6-3-ish and 195 and-85 or whatever.

And then we're going to, he wasn't going to say, look, you got three years. You got to live in the weight room. Be a big, thick and strong, learn the game, be a great technician and fight you're wearing in the field. My biggest trouble, like the transition, like I lived in the weight room. I did all that. I got size. The, like the scheme, I just, it was, like, I just didn't really, I didn't think studying was a big thing in football. You just show up and play.

Is you doing high school? Yeah, high school. High school. So you never watched film? It took like two and a half years to understand that I don't know anything. And I got to figure that out. Right. So, then, once I figured it out, then you get a little bit of confidence.

And for me, football is all about confidence. If you're confident of your ability, you're going to play well. And so, yeah. And then I finally got to play a little bit. And two good years in a row, I finally got an opportunity to the NFL. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild.

I mean, it kind of sounds kind of similar for me, honestly. But I didn't figure it out to like my second year in the NFL after my second year. And then I stopped going out so much. I got to probably count on one hand how many times I've drank in 2019. Not a big drinker. Let's go. Not a big drinker. I would be then Cabo.

But yeah, what I do now is like I don't just go out to go out. Like, oh, it's Friday night. Like that's what you do. You go out on Friday nights. You go on Saturday nights. Like for me, I'm like, I do a boys weekend every St. Patty's day. We go to Cabo, four or five days.

I let it loose. and Cabo have some fun and then get back on track. But it kind of goes like, do you drink during the season at all? I don't. I mean, the only time I do, I do drink is if I do,

it's going to be biweek. Yeah, or like Halloween. Halloween is my favorite holiday. I love Spooktober. We throw a great Halloween party. Yeah. Dude,

we need to do a big Halloween party here. My wife is, she loves throwing parties. And I think that's on the, that's on the, it's going to maybe FGL house this year. That'd be a fun Halloween. We'll find out when your bye week is.

Maybe you come out. Well, it was week four this past year. We could include them all. That's brutal. Well, you've had that before. That's tough gig. I don't know how, like, I want two biweeks. It'll never happen.

Like, I would love two buy weeks. But like, how do you give someone a buy week, four weeks into the season? That's tough. It's insane. You shouldn't start buys until like at least week seven. Yeah, six seven. Like I get six because like you need to buy like after camp and all that stuff. But week four is tough because 12 straight games is a lot.

That dude, I've had to do that before. That's a tough gig. That's a really tough gate. You want two buys, though? I like, I don't know, man. Like, for me, like, as long as I'm healthy, like, I feel like I can play football forever. So, like, that extra buy is incredible.

I mean, like, for me, the buy week, I don't really go anywhere. I stay around and I just do rehab and I get my body back. No. And before we go on to the next topic, the boy, we only have one ad for you today. And it's Omaha Steaks, dude.

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Shout out Joe Staley. Joe Staley. I'll give him a free shout at it. The boys get free shoutouts. Yeah, boys get free shoutouts. I was in Encinitas, California, and Joe's got a place out there. And one biggest regrets, man, he kept wanting to get together. And I was like, yeah, I'm in, but I never did.

That's tough. I know. So I feel bad. What was your learning curve like as a rookie, transitioning into the league and then going from year one to year two? Well, it was awesome. So I was there, I was, they drafted me, went through all the OTAs. Vance McDonald's a tight-in.

He was ahead of me. I had like three guys ahead of me, but they just threw me with the first team reps because they were all like, they were three big guys. And I was just, I'm a little bit quicker laterally than they were. I was like they threw me with them past plays and stuff like that.

So like I got reps with the ones, but not a lot. Like I had no idea what they expect. And then I was hurt for most of my rookie camp. And then I got back for like the second or third preseason game. And I had a really good game. I had a couple catches, a nice touchdown,

ran over somebody. And the next day they traded Vance to the Steelers. And they're like, hey, you're going to start. and I was like sick and then the next day after that I pulled my hamstring again. So they were a little stressed. But yeah, but then I got back for the regular season.

Like my very first play of the game, very, very first play ever, we were playing the Panthers and that Julius Peppers was still there. And I was like, dude, I played with you in like mad in 2007. Right, right, right.

So sick. He's a unit, dude. Oh, he's a monster. Do we practice against them? And I remember just looking at him like, I had to block this guy. Yeah.

I was like, I had two pass pros on. I was like, what are we doing here? I saw, we played them, and I saw a picture of, like, me blocking him,

but I was like, who's the tight end? blocking that giant ass dude. I was like, he was engulfing me. It was terrifying, so yeah, my whole rookie year was basically

I just got thrown into the fire. And it was fun. Like, you figure it out. I was lucky. Like, my tight end coach is amazing. John Embry,

he's an old school guy. He had Tony Gonzalez. He was in Tampa for a little bit, but his way, he did a great job of this. He took all of, like, whatever coach,

and like, he has a lot of very confusing schemes. and a lot of words and all this stuff. And Embo would just break it down. Like, look, this is what you need to know. Just know that you're going left and that you're tripling to that guy. Sam on the ball. You have the same.

Sam off the ball. You're tripling. Yeah. Like, that was the extent of my knowledge. And it's grown since then. But, like, he broke it down for me. So it made it, like, a lot easier for him. But I definitely was, there's a lot going on.

Dude, it's important to have a good position coach. Because if you're like, say you're injured and you, what did you say you played week two or three or whatever? Yeah, I missed. And then when you re-injure yourself, you know you see it in all the rookies. Like when you're young and you just get in the NFL, like you're just stressed because you're like, you're hurt and you're like, I know I don't need to be hurt. And I know the coaches are stressing over me being hurt.

So it's like very important to have like a good like position coach to kind of be there, break stuff down for you and then not, you know, not stress you out even more because it, you see you see it all the time with like young guys. And I know when I'm saying, I'm just like, hey, man, you know, don't, don't stress as much as you are over this stuff. And also learning the playbook, I think, simplifying things as much as possible is the way it makes you play so much faster. It's all the matters. I know, like, I'll know the basic scheme.

And they'll be like, hey, Taylor, what's the center doing this? I don't play. Doesn't matter. I know where I'm going. And I know where the guard's going. I know where the tight ends going. We're solid. I'll never.

Take care of your house first. You don't need to, like, I don't need to know what routes are going on. I see to look at, hey, Tannehill, is this a long pass? All right. I better buckle up then. You know what I'm saying? Long ride. Those types of things.

But I like, I like that. I had like I've said Russ Grimm already, but he did the same thing. Like he kept things very simple. Don't overthink it. You have this to this at the end of the Sam or you're going to the mic or whatever and cut this. Hey, cut that guy off. Yeah, easy. Okay.

I can, I can do that. Is your current coach? I don't know who it is. I should look it up. But Keith Carter. Okay. Is he more of a like left foot, right foot, hand placement, all that. Yeah.

He's very detailed. Okay. He's, um, I think every stage in the game that you're at, a coach is good. Like if you have a coach that's super vague when you're first getting in the league, it's probably going to be a little tougher for you to develop technique-wise, especially at the speed of the game. I think Keith does a really good job of, I mean, if he hears this, it's fine, being very over-anal about everything.

Like it's if your hat's not here, but you drive the guy five yards, like your hat needs to be there. And kind of being like, it's kind of like a sniper, aim small and miss small, his tactics. So like even if you miss, you're still on the right track. So I think he does a really good job. Like I still need to work with technique every single day. But especially with the young guys like,

Nate Davis came in and being so detailed about those things. He got thrown in at right guard. And towards the end of the year, you really saw him coming along with this technique, with his run blocking. You really start to figure it out. And so I had a Bob Bowstead was my first O-line coach with Ken Wisenhunt. And he did.

He was very much like that. But it makes you really focus on those things. And then you got to take a second to be like, like, okay, Nick, I know the techniques. Like, don't focus so much on your technique. For me, like, get to where you know you need to be. Like sometimes you set yourself, overcome some coaching sometimes, which honestly, Rable says all the time.

He's like, you guys got to overcome us because we're going to, we're going to tell you to do a thousand things. Like simplify of yourself. I think Brable does a good job of staying in front of the room. And he says, players make the players make the place. He says, coaches don't do shit, which I'd give them more credit than that. But Rable's very player forward. So I think it all depends

Where you're at Where you're at in your game Based on what you need Like when when Russ came in I needed that guy to be like hey Like you don't need to know everything Like simplify it in your head And once I simplified it

Things got a lot fast Things got a lot easy for me in the game So when I go for for pass pro You know it's third down They're sliding right I think myself like okay Feet hands don't lean That's all I think to myself

Make sure your feet are good Punch before you think you're supposed to punch And don't lean That's the biggest thing And then every play I have I have like little cues to myself now for that. Not just thinking, okay, make sure your left step, left step, right step. Because you get choppy and robotic.

Plus, don't you do enough of that in practice, the muscle memory stuff? It kind of like, you know, if you talked about track schemes, right? So if you're going down to A or B, get whatever, you know, through whatever if it's a deuce, you know your inside foot's going and your second steps doing this based on his alignment. Right. Take that time in the practice to, like, if I'm trying to cut off, like, I have a really bad habit of stepping under myself when I go to cut off in the B gap. Okay.

So I'll stay in and practice. with Sully, who was our assistant online coach, and just step over a yard line, over and over, step over. So I don't step under myself. And I still step under myself, but it's that, it's that muscle memory of trying to figure out that angle you're supposed to be at. So you do it enough so you can go fast and still maintain at least enough to get the job. Absolutely. And my thing, like, I'm what you call a linear tackle. So, like, I'm not like, I'm not a 330, 340 pound guy. Like, I'm playing ball at 308 between 308 and 312 during the season. And so I have to, I, I, technique has to help me a lot, especially against bigger dudes like Julius Pepper coming down the pipe.

Yeah, you know? So like, I'm up on that edge. Yeah. So I got to sit down. That's what I mean, well, working with him because he's 240. Yeah, 240 doing this. Which is a good size tight end. I mean, you're not like 275.

Yeah. But having a sift block with Terrell Suggs runs through your face at full speed. Yeah. It's always tough. Suggs. He's a monster. I'll tell you with the easy to lose. If you play a really athletic guy but plays like football.

like football the way football supposed to be played. Like they have the C gap. So they're going to stay in the C gap. And then you got guys like Suggs like Clowny, JJ Watt. Do that they want to do. They'll do what they want to do because they're athletic enough to make up. They can hit that B gap and come back out and still put that C gap.

That's tough. Those are the hardest guys to play against. Suggs is definitely one of those dudes. I had like a two three, two years span where like we played the Ravens two years in a row and I gave up a sack both games and I'm like this and he's like kind of coming off slow and he lalls you to sleep. But then all of a sudden he'll jet.

and that B gap. And you're looking like, no one blitzed on that play. Like no one was covering him up. What the hell? What just happened? Yeah, exactly. You're kind of looking around like,

oh, me. That was definitely me. That's my bad guys. That's, I think that's the hardest part of the NFL is when those guys start to figure out, like, you know, overcome coaching.

Overcome coaching. Make a play. Those are the hardest guys to block for sure. Well, we're doing some of the NFL guys. We'll be doing some online stuff next week. So if you want to shoot by Lipscomb Academy, I would love to.

I'll be in California next week. But what are you guys doing like April during OTAs? I'll come by. Yeah, we'll be as long as there's NFL. Well, all they leave. So they'll be gone around the 15th April. Then they'll come back. So we'll have a pretty good group of guys.

So between tight ends and some line guys. Yeah, I'll be around. And then the summer. I think we watched the practice. We watched the practice last year. Remember when we went and trained it? Yeah. And there was.

They were doing all their, you know, I think they had like two groups. You guys had a whole thing going on. Yeah. I get dance from like high school kids all the time. And one of the coolest things. high school football is the best football. It's the most fun you'll ever have in your entire life.

So definitely take the most of it. Because I think like my senior year of high school, I was like, don't drink. Don't do nothing. Don't, you know, chase girls. Like, focus on football. And I got to college and it went totally backwards. Flip. It totally flipped.

But like high school is like you're with the boys. Like you grew up with the boys. Like every week you're just trying to win the game. Yeah. It's all that matters. It's all that matters, man. Even if the team's like way better than you. like there's still a chance

like in your mind you're like I think we want this game bad enough it'll be yeah it'll get dicey in there and it's high school ball and not everyone you always got a chance it's not pretty high school is the most fun you'll ever have playing football the last I mean NFL is awesome college is awesome but like nothing like with the boys you grew up with playing ball I went to three high schools in one year so

I didn't grow up with the boys I played with Jesus yeah high schools three high schools three high schools three high schools we get kicked out would you do around kicked out bad kid I was at one My dad transferred me to his alma mater high school because him and the head coach didn't agree on very much. Sure. So I went to there, which is where you and I is, I know, that college, Cedar Falls, Iowa. So I was there.

And then like five months later, he got a job at Oklahoma. And so I was in Norman, Oklahoma. Really? I got there just in time for spring football. That was a new thing to me. I didn't know that was a thing. Oh, yeah. They don't do spring football in the Midwest.

No, we don't do it. Yeah. We did spring football. Oh, yeah. Look at that. That's 175 right there, baby. Speed. 175 throw it up.

Let's go. not a chance. You just get the local schools together and play seven on seven. Essentially. But it wasn't even like, look that stance. Oh my gosh. Isn't amazing when you look back at your high school film and you're like,

what the fuck was this guy doing? Trash. Like you, what is your technique terrible? And you thought you're like, oh, I got to lock down. I was a monster.

Yeah. It was bigger and strong. I was like, yeah, what's up? Dude, my first three years of high school I played nose tackle. I was terrible.

I was absolutely helpful. Zero offers. I was like, I was like six, seven early. I was like my height I am now early, but I was shapes like I was your arm skinny arms, skinny legs. Yeah, dude.

And then my dad wanted me to play O-Lyme and the head. Job, dad. Yeah, thanks. Appreciate you. And the head coach at the school is at Cactus shadows, he's like, it's not my job to get kids to college. My job is to win football games as a high school coach. That's a bad.

My dad walked out of that meeting and was like, you're leaving the school, basically. So I ended up going down to Scottsdale and went to a school called Chaparral. There's this kid named Craig Rowe, who was like the number six. the end of the league. He had 20 offers going into a senior year. And I'm going into my senior year with zero offers. And I literally transferred there. And within two months, I had a couple offers. Then I put my two for two game films out there and ended up getting offers over that. But I had to transfer schools too. It was brutal. I peaked in high school. That's yeah. For sure Pete. Yeah. No doubt. You're sure. Nebraska. You didn't peak? Now like you just feel so dominant in

high school, dude. You know what I mean? I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't feel like Well, I would say if you're Reggie Bush, you might say, like, hey, I peaked in college. Because he just toyed with everybody in college. He's the best college. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't feel like I just dominated college. Can we give him back his Heisman trophy yet? I know, right?

It's so dumb. Can we give it back to him, please? If you win the Heism trophy and your mom got a house out of it, the house didn't win you the Heisman trophy. Yeah. It's like, I don't, I don't understand. And like, USC doesn't even take him in. They don't even like acknowledge that he was ever there.

Right. They don't talk to him, nothing. That's wild. The best college football player they're ever. touch the field. Dude, I would sit in middle school. Yes. Yes.

Did you sit in, I would sit in middle school and just watch this dude's highlight tape. Yeah. He was the sickest college player. Dude, he was unreal. He really was. You think he was better? I had a weird obsession with Tebow, my like senior year. Did you knee it a lot?

No, not like that. What's that? Did you need a lot? No, I didn't know. I've, I've, I've, I've been to church since I was like eight. But I like, I was a huge Tebow family. Me and my boys were all about Tebow. And I met Tebow coming out.

Oh, you did. That's cool. Humblebrake. Met the guy. Weird flex. Coming out for the draft, I was like in between the transition after the combine and kind of waiting. And he was at my high school throwing routes with Larry Fitzgerald. Oh, yeah.

He's cool, too. Yeah, he's a stud. He saw football. And I was like, it was a weird combination. I was like working out. And then I got to meet him. And I said a couple offhand things about Urban Meyer. And so it was a bad first impression.

I didn't do it. So wait, so why the Tim Tebow, why'd you love Tim Tebow so much? Just like, I'm, I'm, drawn to. He's approved himself to Tim. Yeah. No, not necessarily. Yeah. And then he has with the Kittle family, man. I can't get a break with the Kittle family. He had a bad person pressure. So he's got to get it back. No, no, no. We got to get Tebow on the bus. I'm not on the Tim Tebow train anymore. But I, I do like, I'm always drawn to people with like, really good work ethic that don't think they just belong to be there. I agree. He, he, he had that. And that was like, that was super cool to me. That post game speech too. Yeah, after the loss was Ole Miss.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Says a bunch of stuff, God bless and walks off. Yeah. That was pretty solid. I just always like, was it the Florida State game when he was covered in like the blood. Yeah, that was badass. And he had one of the first like high school documentaries that you're like,

yo, this dude is a savage. Yes. So you loved him. Thank you. Okay. So now we're back on track. Yeah. But what's back on top.

I was, they had one of the most interesting teams of all time the year they won the championship. Wow. You've seen that's like who they had on the team? Dude, they had Cooper who's like saying the N-word. Yep. Ta'all. Aaron Hernandez, he had his deal.

And all brought together. Deal. By like a man of God, the Pouncy Brothers. First of all, I love the fucking Pouncy Brothers. They are all time. They rolled together. I was with them in Orlando at the Pro Bowl. I was there too.

Humble bread. And they were awesome, dude. I love the Pouncy Brothers. I've heard nothing but good things about the Pouncy Brothers. They're all time, dude. There it is. They had a different team, man. They had a squad.

And they had, what's funny is they had Jordan Reed on that team. Percy Harvin was on that team. George Reed, Lou Murphy, he was on my team, my rookie here. Jordan Reed, when he's healthy? Yeah. Solid Rout runner. Yeah. Shanahan has said that he's definitely one of the best, he's,

he's first or second best route running tight-in he's ever had. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I had the, I got a shook. No, it's not me. He tells me, he said on third or fourth. I was like, who's the second and third guys? Just don't worry about it.

Who do I watch? Yeah, he's got to be out of read. Hey. But he also coached Sharpe, Shannon Sharp, right? So did he say him? He was part of, no. I don't know. He hasn't, I haven't gotten too many good stories about Shannon Sharp.

I got to get into it. So Mike Shanahan's at our place all the time. Like watching film and stuff? Do you? He's awesome. I'd like to sit and ask him some Denver Broncos questions. That'd be fun. No question.

He's probably got some unreal stories. Yeah, for sure, dude. Should we do some questions? Yeah, we go questions. Did you have something else? No, I'm good. Before we have it, go ahead. Well, just if you don't want to do it, it's okay.

So, like, my back study is kind of the mental side of the game, kind of prep, visualization, all that kind of stuff. So I'm just wondering about you guys, you know, like high school, college and that. What did you guys do? Like, you know, as far as visualization, did you do anything more official than that and all that? Because, I mean, George and I've worked through a whole bunch of stuff over the years. I mean, I first got into it. Hayden Fry was our coach at Iowa, and he was a psych major. And so he had us all visualizing a ton, right?

At first thing out of the bat, and we were awful. Dude. So I'm just kind of wondering, like, how important is that? Kind of what do you do week to week? What's a game prep for you? If you don't mind, just chatting about it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I love that question.

So in college, I playing for Coach Polini, stressful. I don't know if you ever saw Coach Pliny. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Best coach, best defensive mind I've ever been around. Bo Polini, shout out Bo Polini. Yeah. But I would be, you would always play. I feel like I was always out there.

When I talk about not feeling so dominant when I was in college, I feel like when I was younger, my first couple of years in college, I felt like I was always out there playing to not mess up because you wanted to please, you know, coach Bo and all the coaches. And they were so hard, you know, they coach you so hard, you were just out there playing to not mess up. Rex Burkhead, shout out Rex Burkhead. He was a phenomenal running back for Nebraska.

And the way he carried himself, he was just always so confident and ever seemed like he got too down on himself, like when somebody go in on him. I remember asking Rex, like on the side, like, hey, is there anything you do to basically like, you know, not mind fuck yourself to playing the way you do. And he gave me a book called Mental Edge by Kenneth Baum. And that was the first book I kind of read in mental psychology going into my senior year where I was kind of like, yo, I'm basically doing everything you shouldn't be doing when I'm out here playing sport, which is like, you know, what you think you become, right?

And so I'm thinking, don't mess up, don't miss this tackle. Okay, I'm out in space. There's a lot of space. Should I make this tackle? And then boom, I get diced up, coach, Bo, you motherfucker. Just on the sideline, you're like, God. damn and I fucking suck and you can't shake it off and um going in a pro day I didn't I wouldn't call my guy whatever and then uh I was training for pro day and I'm so I'm like okay I'm gonna take

this mental edge stuff that I did for my senior year and I'm gonna use it for pro day training you know all that combine training stuff and because I was injured I had a sports hernia I couldn't I had to get wrapped every day I could only go like 50% in speed drills I couldn't squat and I'm literally like thinking all I have to lean on is what my trainers tell me to not do and this mental training, this mental psychology stuff. So I would like, I still have notes to this day. I'm going to run a 4.5.940. I'm going to do this. I'm doing all these mental training. I'm trying to like feel the turf under my fingers, all the smells, all the scouts around you holding the time watches, trying to get that stress in my mind before I go out there and run it.

And fast order pro day, I hit all my numbers and I'm a full on believer. Scouts are sitting in front of me showing me that I'm like a people think I'm going to run like a four fucking nine, like completely disrespectful, white guy undrafted, all that fun stuff. But I'm a fool unbeliever in the mental psychology, mental ed stuff. So I go to the NFL. I'm doing all the same things. I'm trying to play like highlight tapes in my head of my college days. I'm trying to understand the playbook.

Like for me, I got like a couple reps a day because I was like fourth on the depth chart, practice squad guy, all that stuff. And so the only reps I got, I had to be like on my shit. So, you know, playing against Shanahan's offense. I would be game planning our offense in OTAs and training camp because a few plays I got I had to show out. I wanted to be loud, communicate, all that stuff. And before ever practice, I'm like doing visualization.

And, but anyway, I am a huge believer in all of that shit. Big believer in all of it. The way you saw, the way you talk to yourself, the way you just put on this kind of image of confidence and everything else, especially when you lay in bed at night, the way you self-doubt, all that stuff. I'm super into it. All right. So two follow ups. Just yes or no, it's fine because I want to hear from you.

But what about do you do affirmations, which it sounds like you kind of toy with them? and then do you mess around with alter ego stuff at all alter ego stuff uh yes affirmations going into redskins it was i am a linebacker for the washington redskins okay i wanted to say i'm an NFL linebacker but my mentor ben newman shout out ben newman would say you're already you're already crutching yourself saying you're going to if you get cut there's 31 other teams looking at you he's like you need it to be i am a linebacker with the washington redskins so i would do that the next year it would be i am a starter but alter ego stuff uh i mean i guess play around with like on you know on game day and things like that i'm like i guess in my own world but i don't

like refer to myself in the like third person unless i'm just being like funny but you don't have you don't have a developed different identity that you would name or anything like that no that not not that i would name i guess i mean a wolf but i don't like really play into something yeah but i'm super into all that mental self talk oh that you say wolf yeah he's all himself a wolf that's sick okay be a fucking wolf yeah i'm in on that no i'm in on that let's go i've been up and down I've been up and down on that. He said I've been up and down on the wolf thing. I mean,

I mean, the way he put everything, I would say I've started to really do, especially the last two years. But I think the biggest thing in my game that's lacking right now is doing that consistently. So I try, in the off season,

I do a really good job. I read a lot. Like one of the books I try to read every year is the four agreements. I don't know if you guys have read that book. Unbelievable book. I've done a bunch of prison stuff, right? Because my criminal defense.

That's one of the books I'd take in when I do groups at the institutions. Yeah. And it's just great. it's for me it's always focusing on what you can control like if if i can't control how the game's going to go i can control like what i'm doing i control how i can communicate with the guys so i'll go and tell you know i'll tell derrick if it's a you know a play action play like hey you have my outside on this i'm going to help the guard i need you to be there and so i do i'm i'm a loud person and so i'm

always kind of talking through things yeah but um i do i do a lot of things during the week for my body physically but one of those things i do is i take eps and salt baths yeah and i do it twice a week but I'll sit there for 20 minutes and I'll turn my phone off or I'll put tones on and I'll just close my eyes and take that like those 20 minutes just to decompress as much as I possibly can. Sometimes, you know, where my laziness gets in and I'll get on my phone. I'll start looking at Twitter or doing whatever. But the big thing, I think speaking, I say I've said it a couple times on this podcast, but like speaking to yourself positively is one of the most important things you can do because there's enough people in this world that are going to speak negatively to you. Yes. Especially if you're doing something that's different being in the NFL.

be an entrepreneur doing anything that's not a nine to five job sitting at a desk you know so that's something that I've really wanted to take more hold of I'm doing I'm going to Sedona in April and I'm doing four days like phone off meditation like almost a clinic oh good just to learn how to do this my next question if you actually do like a daily meditation yeah my my wife is she I mean she was 18 like it became a yoga instructor was like that has been a huge part of our lives It's like kind of being more spiritually active. So we'll go to Sedona at least once a year. I was there the week after Valentine's Day because of the wedding thing I was at.

But we were, you know, it's crystals. It's going to, you know, palm readers. I did a chakra therapy yesterday or rakey, which is the getting, getting rid of bad energy, bringing in. I'm a big yoga six days a week, man, pot yoga. And all that stuff, I think like, I think the masculinity of football, it kind of will, if you like buy too much into it, it'll definitely like, well, I don't need to do that. Like just let me just lift weights and eat raw meat and I'll be fine. You know, that type of thing.

But the mental aspect of taking everything and taking a moment for yourself and appreciate yourself. Every time I go before a game, I get in the hot tub before the game, I'll close my eyes and I'll start with my toes and I'll go all the way up to every body part and I'll just say thank you. Thank you three times every single body part I have. The basis of saying like, thank you for allowing me to do this. Thank you for, you know, putting on the best, you know, performance you possibly can. And so that's, anytime I consciously do that, my life better is in football because I do, I'm, my teammates have jokingly said I'm bipolar.

Because I'll be, I'll flip a switch and get mad and I'll get a yelling match with a coach or yelling match with a player, which is something I've tried to really tone down quite a bit. Because all that is is bad energy. And I, you don't, you don't want to promote bad energy. You want to take bad energy. And so. And one thing, one thing I've really done since being more spiritually acting. say that really loosely is my friend circle has gotten way smaller. And as I, as I go through this life, like, I'm starting to realize, like, you know, you have to be a positive influence

in my life because I have a weird obsession now. I want to keep doing this. I want to keep going up. And if I feel like you're dragging me down at all, like, you got to work on yourself first. I'm never like, hey, you're not good enough to be with me. But you got to work on yourself to be the best person you can be for our friendship. Like Will and I talk a while time to like for us to, you know, kind of get the momentum. Friends are like elevators. They're either taking you up or down. Can you up or down? You never stay stagnant.

And so, you know, especially like the hardest time for me is around this time of the year, maybe a little earlier if you don't wait the playoffs, but like decompressing from football. Yeah. Going from a competitive state all the time, especially having a daughter that's two and a half years old now. It's like, it's hard for me to go from football every single day being told by a coach, hey, like you, those 65 plays were good, but those are three were terrible. And, you know, focusing so much on those three negative plays and then going home and being a positive dad, a positive husband, those types of things, which are way more important than any

football game. And so that's kind of like where I have had to start like that transition for me has always been difficult. But once I make the transition, I'm good and then I get back into it in the middle of the season. So it's a constant work. It's probably my, my biggest weakness right now as a football player as a person. If you want an affirmation worksheet, George's got my numbers. Yeah. All right. And then do you actually, do you visualize as in? And then, like I have all my, even at the high school level, right? I have them do, we do a visualization. You get them in a room and lay them down and stuff?

We don't do that. Well, we do that as part of it because we have yoga now. Actually, my daughter, George's sister, does the yoga for our school. So they do some of that. But like before each game, we'll do a visualization technique and all that kind of stuff. But I have them, I write a script out for them. They do their own personal affirmation stuff. And then affirmations turn into their visualization technique.

So you take that step one and step two. So all my tackles, they're visualizing their kickset. They're visualizing the punch. You know, they do. they do all that in their mind. We go through all the run game and the past game. So I've given them a little script to work through. And so they visualize that throughout the week.

So then when we get them in the game, especially like if a blitz pickup or whatever, if they're playing somebody really good. But anyway, I just want to, you know, so like actually seeing that technique. Yeah,

that stuff. I mean, I'll do, I'll think about, I mean, the day of a game, like, that's all you're thinking about is how you're going to block this guy.

Like, what techniques you're going to use and stuff like that. But I'll go out on the field before every game and I'll walk my kick sets. Yeah. back. I'll just take step backs until it feels more comfortable. And I'll do that three times at the where I'm comfortable at. Then I'll go a little faster and a little faster.

And I'll like just start. I'll try to feel my body the best I can. And then I'll go to running, you know, run blocks left, run blocks right. And kind of the basic stuff, but walking through it and then going faster and faster and faster until you get to the game. Then you're ready to go. But that stuff is. That's just proven too. The science behind it.

Oh, tons. Because your brain communicates with your body. Like they did a, you know, study with like golfers and free. throw shooters, like people who all they did in the gym was work on free throws compared to another group that did half, half free throws, half mental. And then one group that was all mental and the one that was all mental came in and outperformed everybody. Really?

Yeah. It's crazy. Have you heard of Halo Sport? It's like a headphones that you put on. And basically it like, I guess it somehow like charges your brain in a certain way to like help you with performance. When you do it 30, 45 minutes before you go and do whether it's a workout. out.

Oh, well, hey, we have those. No one's touched them yet in our facility. Yeah. We, for some, I think we have those. They have, I have, I have that, which I'm very inconsistent at using, but have used it and that, it really works. It's awesome. It kind of, even if it's a placebo, I'm a big placebo guy too.

You tell us the battle, man. It doesn't work. That stuff totally helps. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you don't think it works, it doesn't work. Oh, it's, it's awesome. And then there's this thing called Newcom.

And the whole thing that with Newcom is like, it uses, like, you put it to your ears and you put glasses on in headphones. And it's supposed to help you reach a meditative state faster than someone that's been training, you know, like years and years to do it. So it helps you for 20, if you have 20 minutes, 15 minutes, 45 minutes, put that on, helps you get into a meditative state. It helps you wake up, helps you go to sleep, relieves anxiety, those types of things. It's pretty unbelievable. Nice. Do you do that stuff?

Oh, yeah. I mean, we've established a bunch of things visualizations-wise. I'm a big, like, game day. Like, if it's a night game, I'll wake up, go to breakfast, and I come back, I take another nap, and then when I wake up, that's like my routine starts. It's a, you know, the calm app? It's the meditative app.

Oh, yeah. I do a calm, like 10, 15 minute meditation right there. Matthew Baganah, ain't talking me to sleep, dude. Yeah. See, that's a good. Sleep one's awesome. Yeah, it's great. It's such a soothing voice.

So I'll do that. And then I'm a big, like, my routine's exact same. Like, I do the Epsom Salt the night before the game, so I do like 30 minutes. It's actually really funny. I do 24 minutes, and I started doing this my rookie year for Kobe. Really?

Yeah, and I just, like for the Super Bowl, I looked at my eye, I was like, oh, wow, that's funny. Like, what a chance to think that actually, that's why I did it was because of Kobe. So 24 minutes, Epsom Salt Bath. Yeah, I did the same. So what I used to do was I'd play,

I'd my Game Boy and I'd play Pokemon for 24 minutes, like just to completely not think about football, decompressed, like let my brain relax. I watched was The Witcher. Like, that's what I did this pastime in the, I have some salt. So I take that time to myself. I study and I do like an hour, like before I go to bed,

I just kind of lay there and I visorized the game the next day. That's awesome. So then when I wake up the, like for me, like alter ego is big for me. Like the Joker tattoo I have my farm. That's a big, like that's an alter ego from me. Yeah. You're the Joker. To an extent.

Can we see? Yeah. So to an extent. That's sick. Very cool. So like I, in college I had a big problem, especially early on. I'd let things snowball. Like you mess up one thing.

and then the next thing I do twice is worse and then get worse. Just sabotage yourself. I have like six bad plays in a row. Yeah. And so luckily, like a sports psychologist helped me out there, like have a reset button. So like on my wrist tape, I drew a big red button. And every time I mess up, I just slap it.

Right. So it's like a mental cue for me. That's very cool. So that's how I started doing it. And then the alter ego thing, we were talking about it. And, you know, really since college, like the Joker's just been something I've been drawn to. I've had different people like throughout college and NFL say that.

to me as well. So it's just kind of something I've kind of loved because it's a little bit of chaos, but you have a lot of fun doing it the whole time. And so that kind of became my reset switch. So when I go onto the field, like, if there's like fourth quarter big play, I'll, you'll literally sit me on film. I'll slap my forearm. It's kind of my switch like, hey, lock the fuck in. Right. Reset. Yeah. I love that. I love the Joker thing. There's definitely something about the Joker that I associate with as well. That's... You guys, have you heard the Bo Jackson story? So Bo Jackson got interviewed on this kind of topic. And he finally he said, you know, Bo Jackson never played a down football in his life. So his story was

when he was in high school, he kept getting thrown out of games, bad, you know, family, whatever's going through. And so he got bad temper and all that kind of stuff. And his coach set him down and all that kind of stuff. And then when he was in high school, he was watching Friday the 13th, Jason. Jason Borges, yeah. And he just decided, that's me. Like, I'm the silent killer. I need to not say anything, you know, like that method, kind of methodical, just badass on the field. So then he developed this practice where he'd get to the edge before the game. He'd click his heels. And then he stepped on the grass.

He turned into Jason. I love it. It was a total transformation for him. He never had another penalty after that. And that's when he said his entire career took off. Jason Voorhees is my favorite slasher. Oh, yeah. I love those classics.

Mike Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddie Kruger. I love, I mean, Brian Dawkins. I mean, have you listened to his story? Yeah, yeah. I mean, all the action figures and things like. that. No doubt, man, that stuff. Yeah. I'm a big believer in it. Do your players, are they going to listen to the pod?

I'll have to get them to. If they're listening, hey, listen to Coach Kittle. He knows what the fuck he's talking about. Write shit down. We don't swear at Lipscomb. We don't. Oh, you don't? We don't swear at Lipscomb. Damn it. Write stuff down.

Oh, wow. Those are fan questions. We'll get a couple. Yeah, we're not going to hit all of them. It's fine. Our pods are usually an hour long. Yeah, so this has been a solid pod. Well, you had two guests. I know. This has been a surprise.

Bruce, MVP. Yeah. I didn't have to say a lot. This is awesome. We need more. We need more out of them. Thoughts on your offensive pass interference in the Super Bowl.

We're going down that hole. Tough. That's my thoughts on that. It's just tough. Let's watch it. Let's take a look. Good block by Staley. It's tough.

It is what it is. Expensive ball. Look, you got a flag out there and you're just. He's like, yeah. Because you push backwards? Uh, sure. White on white crime, dude. I don't know.

Oh, there it is. Yeah. Is it? I, I don't know. So I know that I would say they, when you push, when you push to the left or right, those usually get called a lot. But when you're going, like pushing back, does hardly ever get called. It's right before the ball got there.

Didn't Kyle, didn't Kyle Rudolph have the same thing when we were Miami? So his was worse. Oh, geez. And it didn't get called against Minnesota, right? And they reviewed it too. Yeah. And his was worse. And the league looks at it, no, it's, oh, it was much worse.

It was so, because the DBs right there, and you could see the DBs, kind of rock. Yeah. I mean, and not that I wanted to get called. I'm not saying that. I mean, I'm all for the offense, but you're all for the tight ends. No, that was a touchdown. I was not a PI.

That's tough, ma'am. Oh, you're saying Rudolph? No. Oh, that didn't get called. It wasn't a PI. What was the score of the game when that happened to you? I was 10-10. It was two players before a halftime.

So we would have gotten a field goal out of it. Wow. And we had the ball coming out of half. You went out of bounds, too. I know. I'm a big avoid contact run out of bounds as fast as possible. Yeah, fair. That's how you make your career last longer. Good for you. You got to do what you got to do, man. All right. If you had to pick one guy in the NFL to be your tag team partner, who would you pick?

Oh. Wow. I haven't thought about that. Like if I really wanted to win all the time, like Trent Brown, because I had him to tackle for the Raiders. He was with us for two years. He's like six, seven, 350 pounds, and he moves like he's 220. He's a unit. Yeah. So, like, that'd be, I'd pick him because he would just pick people up and throw him around. But, you know, like at the same time, like, I'm a big office of line guy. Like, I, office alignment are my people. So that's why I'm giving you a hard time. No, that's fair. I appreciate that. Accountability. I love it. I love it. I hate linebackers. But yeah, feeling up. You guys push off all the time clearly. Obviously. You grab all the time because you can't run. Oh, here we go. Come on. You don't let your dad come fight your fights for you? Greg? He's 61.

He can do what he wants. You're 61? Yeah. You look solid. You think all the drugs in college would have got to you, but you got away from it pretty good. I can't remember very much, but I can go pretty good. Are you going, do you see yourself, are you wanting to be in like the WWE when you get

down with the ball? I love WWB. Like, I love wrestling. I like the entertainment side of it. Like, one of my favorite parts is they're on, like, so like, people only see us once a week for 17 weeks out of the year, right? like WWE these guys wrestle in front of fans four or five days a week

like they're getting criticized or like they're performing five, six days a week year round and so I just like appreciate their work ethic and how much they go through like to get to the biggest stage like for example like the head grower right now Becky Lynch who's like super famous to the man and all this stuff she was in WWE back in the, what was it?

2002 2005 but she's been like grinding for 15 years and she's finally getting recognized so like I respect that like what you said you expect guys that work hard So, yeah, I love WWE. I've been in a ring like three times, and I got to do a stone cold stunner on a guy in the middle of a match. And it was one of the most,

it was probably in front of 75 people, and it was one of the most exhilarating things I've ever done in my entire life. That's awesome. As soon as I did it, and like, the crowd exploded, 75 people, I was like, I get why people do this. Like, my buddy's an independent wrestler, and he'll drive from Iowa to Maryland to Texas to Florida, and he'll get, pay, he'll make, like, $150 from the match,

but it's just the experience of going to do it. And he just loves doing it. So, yeah, hey, right there. Yeah, Stonekult's Connor. That's your profile pick, isn't it? Yeah, and that's my buddy on the left. That's an independent wrestler. He played fullback in Iowa.

Have you met Stone Cold yet? I've not met Stone Cold. He's tweeted at me. I've had a couple of conversations with him. Met the Rock at Super Bowl. Yo, how sick was that? I almost fanned. That was really true.

Really? Yeah, I didn't know I was going to meet him. I did. How was it? I'm a big fan of it. Are you? Yeah. What kind was it?

Silver. I like it. All right. I'm a fan. And he posted about you, too. Yeah, he did. I saw that. I was like,

yo, that is fucking sick. Yeah, so I will say, like losing the Super Bowl is one of the worst experiences I've ever felt my entire life. But the Rock posting a photo of me saying,

hey, like, I'm a big fan. That helped a little bit. That helped a little bit. A little bit. That was cool. Do you have,

are you going to, does the WWE like reach out to you to come on now that you're George Kittle? Um, a little like, if they're in town, they'll be, hey,

do you want to come to the show? Like, like I got to go ringside during our biweek, which is just, you know, happen by chance. And that was awesome. I go to WrestleMania with my dad and my buddy Manders. For the last two years, we're going to Tampa this year.

That'll be a fun one. You know, we'll see if I get in. You're going to WrestleMania? Oh, yeah, last two years. It's an absolute, like we're in New York last year. You're going to get to go in the ring? And during W, like on Sunday, no chance. They won't let me touch that.

But we'll see what happened. I don't know, man. You're the new Gronk. Yeah, but he's Gronk. He is Gronk. He's groan. He's awesome. What would your wrestling name be?

See, I get asked that all the time. I think the rest of the name is not something that you choose. It just comes to you naturally, and it hasn't come to me naturally yet. So I'm just going to, I'm going to wait until it hits me right in the face. God, I can't wait. I can't wait for that day. It's going to be a great day. It's going to be a beautiful, beautiful day.

It's going to be like coming out of a cocoon. God. You have butterfly. Yeah, I'm a butterfly. Let's do one or two more. What do you guys got? Man, I wanted to, I mean, we're too far along. I wanted to ask about the father's son writing the letters because I sort of got, I was sitting

I was sitting in my beautiful extended say in Oakland, California. And I legit, hey, I teared up. I teared up on that segment because I just thought the whole father-son thing was pretty awesome. Yeah. I mean, I can go into deep. You want me to go to the TV? We'll have for you too.

So my dad, when he was coached in Oklahoma, they had a linebacker who passed away, awesome box. But so he was a part of that. And we found out his dad wrote him letters for every single one of his games, like his whole life. and so I was going off to college and you know as a college student your communication skills are very low

like I hardly talk to my parents and all that stuff because I was doing other things so he thought it was a good idea like hey I'm going to write you a letter before your game so starting my redshirt freshman year so the year after I redshirted and I was actually like suiting up a little bit he would write me a letter for every game

and they've evolved like back in college it was like he'd give me a scout and report like hey when we played them back in 1979 so it was like a little history last the record for the whole like you know the last 20 years um what the trophy means like i mean but you give me a little breakdown like who their best players all all that stuff and you know what's evolved and a lot of it has gone with like the visual visualization stuff i can't say that word to save my life sorry but um it's the head stuff yeah it is and it's um it's just kind of grown

from that like um like the nfc championship game the letter was like 13 pages long uh which that's where i read um before right like right right when i get the stadium i'll read that um It's just like for me, it's one of those mental cues. Like it's like one of my first cues. When I get to the stadium, it's like, all right, lock in. We're playing football. Like the letter's just kind of like one of my, part of my checklist. But it's definitely something that's a reason that we've been able to stay so close.

And then I was at college. It was awesome too because you give me like, you know, fatherly advice. Like, hey, you know, maybe do this, not do that. But it's just always awesome because I have, you know, my dad's my best friend and I have his voice with me on every single game day, which is pretty special. That's awesome. What does that mean for you, dad? Oh, it's been great.

Like I had a little separation issue and taken off. It was hard. So I was coaching ball. So, I mean, we're, you know, OU and all that kind of stuff is. So it just gave me a way to kind of connect and try to encourage him to make good choices and be a good player and all that kind of stuff. And like you said, it's kind of evolved over the years. I don't have very much football stuff I can tell him anymore. You know what I mean?

So it's all good. But it's been really fun just staying connected that way. And it's a thing. And I kind of enjoy the robbers and love the NFL game. And it's just, and like, when he got drafted, like we'd been to a field when he was went to a bear's game and all. all that kind of stuff and or go up to Green Bay. I took them up there a few times when we lived in Wisconsin, but I love going to the different stadiums.

And, you know, I just love the NFL crowd. You know, there's just like, it's a Sunday. There's 65, 75,000 people just ready to let it lose. And it's adult entertainment. It's not quite Vegas, but you know what I mean? Yeah. I like it so much better than the college game. And it's just, and the players are just unbelievable.

You know, every team. You know, you might be six and whatever, but I mean, everybody's good. You know, all the players are good. And I just appreciate all. freaking hard it is to win. You gotta show up. The league is built for eight and eight. It is. I mean, it is. And to get above eight and eight, it's hard. It is hard. It's hard to win every week. So it's just, and so this year was really special. But yeah, just being a little bit of part of that. Yeah, he only missed one game in this year. Really? And it was because he had a Friday night. We were played Thursday night in Arizona and he had a game Friday. He couldn't go. And my high school team. So how do you feel by your son reaching the star power he has in such a short time in the NFL? Like, what's that mean to you as a parent? You know, it has just been such a,

wild rush last three years. I mean, we've kind of chat about it because, you know, at Iowa was kind of, you know, whatever catches he had and all that kind of stuff. And then he got hurt his senior year and then combine stuff, you know, we got invited, thank goodness and all that. And then he performed pretty well, but then draft night was a little bit disappointing, honestly, you know, I mean, fifth rounder and all that. So, but grateful to be drafted, you know, like you said and all that. And then having no idea if he's going to make the team. So it's not like you're happy, but like what you never know. Now the work starts. Yeah. And then they trade Bance McDonald, about two weeks for the season starts and then he's a starting dude and then it was just like crazy and so that year was

all learning and then year two when he broke the you know reception the yardage record for tight ends that was just over the top i mean it's just crazy so you know we come from you know i keep thinking back to senior years six three hundred and eighty five pounds and you know he was the last scholarship offered to iowa you know we got a call the day of signing date so just just the whole ride has been incredible so i'm you know really proud of him for the hard work he put in and i guess You know, the other thing, too, he was elected captain last year, and I think that's a big deal, just, you know, his connection to the team and all that. So I'm just grateful.

We were riding the wave and know it's a short ride and just being grateful and appreciative every day. And trying to make the most of it and keep his head on straight and feet on the ground. And he did his legwork today, which was, I told him that's like putting a quarter in the piggy bank every time you do another squat, you know what I mean? So anyway, it's all good. So we're just, we believe in the process and love the game and grateful to be part of it. That's awesome. Awesome.

Appreciate you. Let's have Blas is obsessed with the 49ers. Blas. You get the last question. You can have one question. You don't want to ask your, dude, don't act like,

I mean, you're always ready to ask a question. I'm saying, like, instead of reading one more question, you get the question since you're, you're a 49ers guy. Yeah,

I didn't even think about it before I came on here. Did you walk in late? How did you get on the bus? I have a key. The back door? Yeah. He's all,

yeah, he's our, yeah. A big backdoor guy. Big backdoor guy. Big backdoor guy. Would you rather just read one then? Yeah, I don't really have.

He's an awning guy right now. Yeah. In awe. What do we have? Don't ask me anything about the combine. I don't know. Oh, no, that's stupid. Put your favorite shannon.

The hardest hit you've ever taken. Any of those you want to read? Keep scrolling. Do we have any more? Pancake blog got to that. Who was better hair? Georgia Taylor. Hawks for Life, 89.

Hawks for Life 89. I know what his vote is. George or Taylor. Or that's it to see Hawks, I don't know. Yeah, it's true. See, I say, like, I'll say go Hawks, and then my Niners, Twitter followers. Are you kidding me? Oh, yeah.

What do you mean? I was like, yeah, I went to Iowa. Went to Iowa, folks. Where's your record against Michigan? One in one. I didn't play in either game. Cash? I was, yeah.

Richer. Hey, we beat them when, what were they, ranked number two? Yeah. They came into Kinnick Stadium, night game. Yeah, I remember. Barbaugh was super pumped. They're going to win. And Andreette was a walk-on freshman kicker kicked it through the uprights for the win.

He's a monster. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. You guys lost. We didn't. I was in the NFL. Wait.

I was. I will say, like, one of my biggest, one of my favorite things is so I'm in the NFL, but Iowa, like, curb stomped. Ohio State, my second year. I think that of my rookie year, like 55 to 25 to 25. for us so then we got bosa so almost weekly i'm like hey bosa go hawks like yeah yeah yeah yeah dude how about the bosa brothers they're like robots dude i got to hang out with uh joey came to the vikings game yeah um and so then he uh me and the two

bosa hung out after that they're fun like they are insane they're wild i saw i saw i saw i saw the bosa dad at uh rough and rowdy yeah no way yeah that's rough and rowdy It was like Joe Thomas was there too. And I was like, Joe, this is this place is way too redneck for you. They were just trying to get a beer. We're going to go get a beer. It's like, we're in a middle of nowhere. You're roughen route.

I just want a beer. Yeah, okay. That rough and row is a wild time. Well, Blasn't have a question. Man, we appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thanks. This is super awesome. No, thanks for having us.

I love the element, too, of that. And just right out of the gate too. Yeah. Like I'm sure. Was your. Dad, were you loud in the stands when he was growing up playing ball? Well, he was coaching me the whole time. He barely talks to the microphone.

Yeah, I know you see him. No, no. George, he'd probably get that look and know it when he's got to get his, you know, ass-wooked when he gets home. Yeah, yeah. What do you get most mad about? Drop catches, penalties? No, run game.

Run game. Oh, yeah. Bad hands, bad footwork. I thought he was going to be an offensive lineman, right? So, I mean, I played OT and, you know, so we, I mean. Respect. I had the small little kid-sized. blocking dummies, you know?

Mm-hmm. And he was doing mere dodge and punch drills ever since he was in fifth grade. Really? Oh, because I thought he's for sure going to go into alignment. So it's like, you know, and the whole moving guys.

And so like, you know, I think mostly, you know, he pretty early on, but like, you know, his first few years in Iowa were a little bit taxing because he didn't take the game very seriously and he didn't.

I enjoyed myself. He didn't work as hard as he should have. So, but, you know, other than that, overall, though, he's embraced the grind and he's been a guy that's invested. So that's all been pretty good.

But yeah, we're learning. to deal with him being a tight end rather than an offensive tackle, but it's okay. There's some disappointments to life you never get over. This dude, my fifth grade, my There's some disappointments. Yeah, my fifth grade football team. Mad at your mom, like why? This is

obviously you. Literally. Fifth grade football team, he was our first day of padded practice. My first year of tackle football. And he has his speech where he has a whole team we're about to do mere dodge drill. Right, just shuffle like fall, footwork, office line pass set.

And before he started, he goes, hey look, all of you are going to aspire to be offensive linemen, but not all of you will be good enough. Like, offensive line is the pinnacle of football positions. It really is. And none of you, like,

he's like, there's going to be five of you that can play it. And then all out of you're going to have to play other positions. And that's okay. But just know that you're kind of a disappointment. He said that. Oh, yeah.

And then he's serious. They believe in third grade. I was the only one. I was like, no. I was like, no, I was like,

I'm playing running back. Like, no, you're not going to get me with this one. I don't know. A true disappointment to a father. Literally. So you had like, like, that's tough.

You know, like the undersized kids in fifth grade, like you put them at corner because they're so small, they'll get hurt. They were trying out for like left guard because they're like, I'm going to be the best office of lineman ever. And you're just like, what the heck is going on? I had to move, I had to move a center to quarterback, right? And like, he didn't want. Are you serious? Oh, yeah. That's a thing too.

And Pop Warner, no one. And Pop Warner, like, and pop warning, like, kind of put the kids that are like, all right, you're an office lineman. You just going to get in there. He's got him won to play. He's got them wanting to play it. That's all. Hey, that's good. I'm going to disqual psychology.

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We created our own podcast called. Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being and ask questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.

Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Your 20s can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing, and honestly, just kind of lonely. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. I was six years into my career, the 80-hour weeks, and just the first one in, the last one out, and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s that I, like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase out of my skin. And I just, like, really regret not living in the present more.

You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. is, getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akela Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 is about both of those things.

As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.