Bussin' With The Boys - Golden Tate On Jalen Ramsey & Percy Harvin BEEF, Carson Wentz-Eagles Drama | Bussin’ With The Boys

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

Recorded: June 2nd, 2025 Will Compton & Taylor Lewan are back with NFL vet, Super Bowl champ, and Notre Dame legend Golden Tate. From high school star in Tennessee to Biletnikoff winner to a 10+ year NFL career with the Seahawks, Lions, Eagles, Giants, and Titans, Golden Tate hops on the bus and takes us through a ton of the behind the scenes drama he encountered in the league. The Bussin' Bowl is BACK! Will and Taylor give their takes on the impending Nebraska vs. Michigan game and set their official odds of who they think will win. Summer interns are also in the house! After the intro Will and Taylor dive into the Golden Tate interview. Tate opens up about his path to the league, nearly choosing baseball over football, and what it was like playing with legends like Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, and Eli Manning. Things get spicy as he breaks down his infamous beefs with Jalen Ramsey and Percy Harvin—including that locker room fight before the Super Bowl. Golden also shares his thoughts on the current state of the Seahawks with Sam Darnold and Jalen Milroe, playing for four different teams, and what it was like being a part of that dominant Legion of Boom era with teammates like Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Earl Thomas. The boys dive into old Notre Dame stories, and even his return to baseball years after retiring from the NFL. Big Hugs.. Tiny Kisses! TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:46 NBA Finals Predictions7:50 Internship Program Has Started23:03 Memorial Day Week For The Boys36:26 Bussin Bowl Has Been Announced 41:34 True Classic Gooner Of The Month43:04 Father’s Day Merch Is Here45:16 Introducing: For The Dads47:30 GOLDEN TATE INTERVIEW STARTS48:16 Golden Loves Betting56:16 Gambling In The Locker Room Gets HEATED 1:01:45 Most Dysfunctional Locker Room He's Been In?1:04:53 Carson Wentz vs Eagles Drama1:10:15 Dealing With Internet Hate1:20:30 Going From Detroit To Philly1:29:32 Still Hurting Even After Playing1:31:39 What Receiver Did He Model His Game After?1:35:38 Playing In Seattle With Pete Carroll 1:44:34 Hard Feelings For Being A 2nd Round Pick?1:47:19 Why Did Seattle Not Resign You?1:48:59 "Percy Harvin Was A Different Human"1:56:27 Beef With Jalen Ramsay 2:05:00 Bud Light: What Would You Do Anything For?2:06:27 Golden Was A Good Baseball Player2:09:16 Good NFL Pickleball Players2:16:21 Welcome To The NFL MomentSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

We don't care where you hear it. Good afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Terrell Luan, and this is another episode of Bustin with the boys. Before we get started, I know it's annoying, but do me a favor, subscribe, unsubscribe and resubscribe. We also need to leave comments. The more we do that, the more we hack the algorithm, the more we hack the algorithm, the more we can get more reviews. More viewers will get. More tier ones appear, and hey, a rising tide lifts all ships.

Our guest today is, none other than Golden Tate, spent about four years with the CL Seahawks. Then he goes to Detroit, gets traded to the Eagles, bounces around a little bit, ends up in New York. This guy's stories are incredible. He breaks down him and Jalen Ramsey. That whole debacle back and forth. Percy Harvin as well, that day before the Super Bowl, they get in a fight. Let's find how that unfolds.

You will later on this episode. The boys break down a lot of stuff. We got interns. All those boys come in here, they hang out. Will and I talk about our little week off, which is really nice to spend with family. And then also our Father's Day merch is here. It is awesome.

I'm going to get on my knees for you, boys, right now, to show you what this is all about. Perfect. A lot of fun to have. Don't forget to subscribe. Bus with the Boy starts right now. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's get a round of applause for that right here.

And as always, we are brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Fandul Sportsbook. Bust with the Boys is presented by Fandall Sportsbook. Fandals, America's number one sportsbook. The stage is finally set. NBA finals, game one, this Thursday, June 5th. Either the thunder or the Pacers are picking up the W, but so can you. Because Fandul has an NBA profit boost for every game of the NBA final,

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I'm going to toss this one in the air. You guys, Opet if you want. I'm going Pacers and six. Pacers in six. Oh, what? Ask me why. Why? I saw McAfee do a cool video when he walked out.

and he said he saw the people and he's like a lot of cool people from New York here. Let's get their ass back to New York and I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And for that reason, I'll be going Pacers. The Pacers and Nix, I feel like, is the only kind of a series that I sort of followed because of social media. Because of Ben Stiller, Pat McAfee and all the boys. Timothy? Salamane.

Timothy Shalame. Salome. Salome. Who, by the way, is on a generational run right now. I don't think he can be beat. He might be the most likable celebrity. the entire world. Yeah. And it seemed like the Knicks blew a massive lead to where they were, mimicking, redoing the choke, the iconic choke photo.

Choke job. Who is that? Reggie Miller. Good pull. Good fucking pull. A little NBA knowledge up here every now and then. That boy just tossed one up. No problem. Yeah, I know nothing. I know nothing about NBA, but I am going Pacers and six. Call it beginner's luck. To me, it seems like it's the finals of where would you want to live least? Indiana or Oklahoma? Like, it's just a,

like, once the game's over, it's like, yeah, everybody else won. Yeah, like there's really only one winner. This is everyone who doesn't live there. Moment.

Moment for glory. If you were to pick a place between those two to live, which one would you pick? Oklahoma, I think. Oh, I think Indiana. I'm going Indiana too.

I think Indiana. Colts are there. Can't go there. Yeah, fuck the Colts. Okay, all right. That just comes down. of the rivalry. Maybe.

Remove sports from it. I still think Oklahoma. Yeah. If you feel it, chase it, man. March, April, May, you're running for your life.

There's a tornado in every corner behind an alley. Instead of gang members, they got tornadoes in the alleyways. Or if you play your cards right, that's just busy season. You're out there chasing storms. Which we should.

I want to put it on record now. I would love to chase a tornado 2026. It would be an awesome vlog for us. If there are storm chasers out there with the right equipment. We do for a tornado. Yeah, this afternoon, maybe. Put that juju out there.

Putting that juju in a bad place. I do, I've been to Oklahoma. Very flat, stand at a quarter, see the whole entire state type of mentality. Gabe Iker, a good friend of mine. He's from Oklahoma. He had a wedding out there. Very nice, very beautiful. However, I'm going Indiana all the way.

San Elmo's. First off, you go into a little downtown. They got all the steakhouses out there. Notre Dame. Notre Dame, which, you know, up and down. The linebacker. The line, which is in South Bend. The one thing I'll give Indiana is they have really prime time indoor go-kart racing tracks.

And that I can get behind. And the Spee Center, because I grew up playing AU basketball. You go to the Spee Center, which is in Indiana. And what you do for fun outside of playing ball there is you go race indoor go-carts. Like, that was pretty much it. And the combine. And the combine's there too. Fuck the Colts.

Fuck the Colts. And Lucas Oil Stadium. Steakhouses. Yeah. Cocktail sauce. Cocktail sauce. Just everything you possibly need, boys. Tunnels because it gets so goddamn cold in the wintertime.

Tunnels? More like, like what? Walkways? Indoor walkways. Up above ground tunnels. Skisgraper. Well, that's that, but they're all connected. You can stay inside all day if you want.

A breezeway. Which is, that's got to be a pro for Wilceton. You don't have to go outside at all. You're just in here, boom. Dude, I get out. You got outside this past week? Yeah. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. I did get outside more than you. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Hell yeah. Must have missed my photo I took of my tractor yesterday because I was outside all day yesterday. I didn't see you in the tractor. Who took the photo? It's easy to go outside and just take a photo of a tractor. Just sitting there in the corner? You ain't working that tractor? Dog, I'm going to send you a video today. I'm going to send you a fucking video. Just get you video and digging up whatever you're digging up out there. Yeah, I do. And I do. And I'm just sitting there. I do. And I'm going to send you a video and digging up. Yeah, I do. And I do. And I do. And I do. And I do. I do. I do. I do. I do it. I Right now, I went to True Value yesterday, had a good conversation with one of the guys that worked there about Nebraska's wearing Nebraska hat.

I go, hey, go big red. Big mistake. Takes 15, 20 minutes of my time to tell me about how they lost Oklahoma, but they beat North Carolina. If they played them again, they play Oklahoma. And I'm not working out for those boys. However, got myself a hoe, all right? I've been out there fucking gardening in a big way right now.

I told you guys, three to five years. Greatest garden ever exists. Twitter is they want a video of you driving that tractor. Done. And I saw a couple people getting mad about the Caboto. Sounds like a lot of John Deere fans. A lot of John Deere fans. I think a lot of people are upset that I just got before the tariffs took place.

Right? I don't know. He said right. No clue. No clue. And I don't even know, to be honest, where Caboto is even manufactured. Probably Japan, right? And we've got to be in a tariff war with them right now.

We're in a tariff war with everybody. Go get your iPhones. Go get your iPhones while you still can, ladies and gentlemen. Also, big moment for bustle with the boys. Today is Monday. It is June 2nd. This is the first day of our internship program. Big round of applause.

Official internship program. We did a little dry run with the boys a couple weeks ago. But do what? Bryce and Nico. Bryce and Nico. A couple of Michigan men. But now we have guys suited and booted. I mean, we've had interns before.

Yeah, you two. That kind of crazy. You guys also kind of just worked for us too. Oh, for free. So I guess. No, I think there's a time where you got 100 bucks a week. Eight months after working for free. I'm going to be honest.

I think your memory's a little, a little broken. How long do you think that we worked for free for? Three months. It was absolutely at least six. Okay, but you've already gone down. Gary goes, I was getting paid. So, Gary, so, so, Jack was our first intern. I just posted on our Twitter and I had had it typed out the first

official class of Bustin with Boys interns and I was like wait what the fuck I was like we were when it's the first kind of formal formal official class I you guys you guys walked into a startup company everyone was that everyone had a lot of free time yeah you guys were still in the NFL so right this was a side game it was a hobby for y'all and for us it was life or death so what a horrible you were like intern number one behind what do we have it's so dumb we didn't even have full-time employees yet no no it was like contractors I think it was uh yeah yeah I don't I don't even know who it's, yeah, it feels like forever ago. You know what?

I think me and Garrett will dub them as the first official class of interns and we'll just, we'll night them. Can we just do our thing, Jack? Yeah. Can we just, can we just, can we just in and introduce the intern? It's good to speak your truth, though. See how far you come. Just bought a house.

Want to talk about how back in your day, how tough it was. You know, now we got these young bucks in there that have suits on. By the way, suits, Southerpatch Kids, Celsius. They brought Celsius? Oh, SELC. I don't know about that. They brought A, singular Celsius. I think it said they did a pack.

But the one thing they're missing, not one of them has called Jared a bitch yet. But I'm pretty sure we took that out. I'm pretty sure we said, hey, that's a little old. Maybe we doubled down. They listen this week next Monday in our team meeting. They got to call them. Whisper, whisper. They're right outside.

They're right outside. Fuck, fuck. They've heard us. Jared's standing out there shaking his head already. Jared knows. Derry knows. Yeah. Jared, send one in.

Jared, send one in. Let's get one in. Turn up the bat. Who. Oh, you're going to stand right over there, Bob. You want him sitting the seat? I think you should stand up. Okay.

I think you should stand up in the back. No sitting down. Head him to mic. Are you going to go, you're going to go name where you're from and why you wanted this gig? Stand up. Stay stand up. Name where I'm from and why I wanted it. My name is Ryan Nolan.

I'm from New Jersey. I'm from Burden County, New Jersey, small town named New Milford. I wanted this gig because I think Bustin with the Boys is on the come up. I think it's obviously great right now, but the sky's the limit for you guys. And I saw Will Post for the interns.

I thought this is going to be awesome. I thought I have operations experience. This is what I'm doing. So I thought it'll be awesome and I'm really excited to get started with you guys. I love it. I love it. Before you go, why the green tie?

Any reason? School, love? This is actually, my grandfather's lucky tie. My grandfather, yeah, cool. I love that. My grandfather unfortunately passed away

like last September, but I got to hand it down to me. So this was like, when I'm trying to look good and wear a good suit, the green goes with the Navy and I got the Navy shamrocked on here. So shout out.

Love it, man. All right, that's awesome. Shout out, grandpa. That is beautiful. Appreciate you. All right. Next. Next.

Hang on, let him get off first. Let him get off first. Hey, good job, man. Thank you, please. Are we any nicknames? Dude, great work. We have two months. Nicknames are earned.

Nicknames are earned. Yes, sir. Next one up. No virginity question, huh? Easy with the cameras. Easy with the cameras. You know, kid show. Kid show.

Kid show. Name where you're from and why you wanted this gig. Don't sit, don't sit. Don't sit. Just a squat down. Just an air squad. Air squat. Air squat.

Air squat. Jack Hanning, from Hennersville. from Hendersonville, Tennessee, Nashville, Worn and raised. I went to the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, go balls. And I won this job because I'm a group of fan of the bus.

I want to work in production, want to work in this world, and want to make it doing this kind of stuff. All right. Yeah. We're going, Jack. Jack, give us a little interesting fact

about yourself that maybe people out there don't know about you. Did you went to bed until you were 14? No. Will did. No, closer to 12. Nice. I got somebody.

Yeah. I love the cook. So that's a passion of mine. So I like to cook whenever I can. You have a favorite meal you like to cook? Yeah, I like a chicken and sausage gumbo. Oh, Southern boy.

Oh, yeah. Very nice. Chef Jackie. Yeah. Whatever it needs. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, before this internship's over, we would love it if you cook for us. I would love to.

Just a quick meal. Maybe put an apron on. I want the fun hat and everything going. We can dress it up. All right. Let's give a lot of applause for Jack. Let's get him out of me. Nice work, Jackie, boy.

Thank you, yes. What happened? It's okay. Amo. Amo two months, two months. Didn't nap up the vol. The volga. Oh, yeah, we got a show going on here.

We got a show going on. For those of you listening on Spotify, Apple Downcast, Jack, not only has ruined our furniture, but he also forgot to dapp up his volunteer friend, Jack McPherson. And also make sure you subscribe. Make sure you subscribe. Why you're listening? Yeah, yeah. Why are you listening?

Go ahead and subscribe. Who's next? Mr. Boost. Number four. Magnolia tree? Let's go! Let's... Whoa!

Whoa! Whoa! There we go, sorry. In the back. In the back. In the back. Magnolia, oh, hey. There we go.

I forgot about Magnolia tree. I still forgot. Oh, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stay up, stay up, stay up, Air Squad. Air Squad. What's up, guys? Name, where you're from, why you wanted this gig, and then Taylor asked to follow up.

Matt Mulho. Wait, what was the last question? Follow up? There's just Taylor. Oh, okay, Matt Malone, Nashville, Tennessee. I mean, dream job. Come on, I grew up here. So watching you guys, I was like 16. So happy to be here.

How old are you now? 23, kind of an old, kind of an old ed. Damn, have we been going that long? 23, six years, six years? Carried the one, he was 17 when we started. When Mike said he'd cut his dick off, I was like 17. Yeah, Coach Frank. Yeah, Coach Frank.

No, it's just Mike to him. He didn't give a fuck. Yeah, oh, you have brades. He gave us a pregame speech. for a hockey game one time. Really? How to go? We got bounce five to two and he left off the first period.

It was pretty sweet. Hockey is your number one sport? Yeah. Favorite sport? Who's your favorite team? No, you're gonna hate it. Blackhawks. I don't hate that.

Okay. A little cultural appropriation there with those jerseys. But other than that, I think it's a great, great history. Chicago, great city. Three cups, six years. Phenomenal. Yeah. Well, thank you very much.

Appreciate you coming on. Appreciate it. You got to ask him your question. I just asked. Fun fact? Oh, yeah, what's a, give us a, I was gonna mix it up between everybody, but yeah, we can do fun fact for, I've broken like 32 bones. Wow.

Yeah, metal collar bone, metal wrist. Yeah, I'm like, I was like five pounds my entire life. Iron man. What happened? I was just getting thrown around in hockey. Lack of dairy. Yeah, just getting slammed. Yeah, get the puck, just getting destroyed, broken, broken wrist.

Yeah, that was it, yeah. We got a sore next gym being built, so we'll have to, we'll have to build that bone. We'll build that one matter. We'll get some calcium in you, we'll have you on a whole program. Vitamin D supplementation. Talk to Jared about his bet that he has with me right now. J&1, he has to have a six-pack risk to do 20 minutes of stand-up. Yeah.

At Zanis. Which we will do our best to sell out. We'll do our best to sell out. Jared's opening for you guys. Then it'll sell out. Thank you, Matt Maloy. Hey, good job. Chef Jack, about damn near broke the bus.

Chef. Yeah. Oh, Joe, oh, I thought, Chef Matt. I was like, are we already in the mix up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The big dog, the big cheese. Let's go. Big cheese.

Oh, oh, a couple of leg tams. You got confidence in him, huh? Let's go. Hit me with the inner thigh tap. You got the, he got the suit with the Jordans on. Yeah, you got the Jordans on. Air squad. Air squad.

Good, strong air squat. Hey, listen, bonus points if you don't put your hands on your legs. Hey, the legs burn. All right. All right. Go ahead, Will, with your question. Uh, name where you're from and why you wanted this gig. My name is Carson Edelman.

I'm from a suburb outside of Kansas City called Olatha. I wanted this job because I'm a grinder. I love you guys' work and wanted to add my value. I love that. Absolutely love that. Golf clap. Aletha. Aletha.

Olitha. Sounds like a venereal disease. What do you guys like to do out there? I mean, bowling. We got some fun stuff. It's a big town. So you can really do whatever you want. Fun town, do whatever you want.

Yeah, sure. Okay. Does it have the third? How many people are in your? town well i mean probably 80 90 000 scoot big a lot you got squat a little lower and then hand off the thigh that's right we're getting right here at bus with very nice very nice i love that's a decent that's a decent that's a lot that's a lot of meat hanging around uh give us a little fun fact about yourself that nobody else would know who um nobody knows it well i mean people can know but maybe that the common man wouldn't

now. I'm a big movie buff. Okay. What's your favorite genre? Probably like an action of some sort like a drama action. Okay, drama action suspense type of guy.

Like Transformers? Yeah, like one of the ones at the end. The mission impossible movie for Tom Cruise does all of his stunts to? What's your favorite movie? Do you have like, if I just ask you favorite movie of all the time, would you know that answer? Of course. What is it? Blade Runner 2049.

epic answer wow wow I've never seen it what I haven't either what sounds like I have till 2049 to watch it it sounds like we got a lot of time great moving all right hey we appreciate you Bob didn't catch that one's name what was his name Carson Carson interlinked big cheese big cheese good work Carson that air squat was getting you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah boy was turning pink on us He did daff up everybody on the bus. Was that four? Was that all of them?

Yeah. We dialed in. Jared in here? Jared. Yeah. Yeah. Jared all confident. Jared.

Oh, you want me on? Come on in. You can sit down. You can sit. You're the boss. The boss. Okay, let's have a, pretend like the interns can't hear us right now.

First impressions, which one's your favorite? Oh, God. I'm not going to say my favorite. Yeah, you do. Say your favorite. The bad boss move. What's the number one? Who's your number one guy right now?

Like Dionne Sanders Ranking his children Ranked these interns. I think that's a very incredible. I think that's a bad because they're going to watch this and then that's going to put weird pressure on. Yeah. It is polished.

It is polished. They're all good. They're all great. They're all great. They're all great. The suits is great. We were hoping that everyone except for one would show up in a suit.

That would have been like the perfect scenario. That would have been the most idea. Yeah. What are you what's your, what's your outlook on your your internship program? Like what are your goals? What are your,

priorities when you laid up at night and spent the entire night writing out this formula this agenda what do you hoping to accomplish with these boys grow these boys and their skills help like we've said like do shit for buss and we can trust them with it like by the end of the summer like we're not having to like watch over them i mean and better words groom them uh yeah yeah i don't know they do good work grow them as individuals workers and people yeah workers and people yeah give them yeah i'm nervous now i put all my effort into hiring them and then now they're here i'm like well you're about to give them the orientation the orientation i'm nervous for that which i kind of want to be a part of i know are you polished for the

core values i've gone over like an embarrassing amount of times alone give us the core values uh gooner x grind set yeah you're gonna want to write this shit down boys grind set uh Optimism, overachiever, innovation, effective, film room, X-plays. Yeah, knock on wood. Very nice. Good work, demon. Thank you guys. Yeah.

Go have fun with the orientation. Hey, you bring the nine? Yeah. When Will and I were having conversations about getting internship together, who's going to be in charge of it, Jared eventually came to mind he was up at the top of our list and our whole thought process was if you've ever seen the show suits

how Lewis lit runs his interns that's kind of what we're looking for iron fist type of mentality beat these guys into the ground and all the cream will rise at the top yeah that's what we want we want Lewis lit out of Jared demon

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There's no safe like Simpliceaf. Let's get back to this episode. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing,

a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. No doubt about it. What should we dive into?

How was Memorial Day weekend? Memorial Day Week? Memorial Day Week, it seems like it was so long ago. We had so much stuff going on that week. Memorial Day was awesome. It was a great time. Hung out. Fucking chilled.

I kind of forgot what I did, honestly. That's honestly the sign of a good week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Went to Michael Chandler's house. He has a Memorial Day party. So we went there on Saturday. That was awesome. That was a good little hangout session.

Weather wasn't the best. It was not worth getting in the pool for me, but it's at there, a lot of watts. And I'll bring the, there's a reason why I'm bringing that up. A lot of white people just hang out. I really hope so. And then Natalie, Talen's friend brings all of her kids over and then who shows up about an hour late to the party, Darren Bates. And you should have just seen Darren walking up to the house. You just tell he was like, what the fuck am I doing here?

And then he and I just hung out and talked for like three hours. It was awesome. It was great. I had a good time. And then the squad went to, down to Alice Beach hung out. You guys have a good time?

Yeah, we had a good time. I, um, I am slowly. What's up? What's up? I don't know.

I think Gary and I are just laughing. Like, I had a good time. Like, there's something behind that. I had a good time. Because here's the deal. I've kind of like,

I've been a little, I've been critical about 30A. I've been critical about my process of going there. You leave, you come back. You say it's Italy. I go. I think I've never been Italy,

but I'll think this is Italy. I walk into Alice Beach. It feels very much like a grease type of feel. I feel that quite a bit. But also it gives me like the scene a plot of, have you seen the horror movie The Village? Yes. How it's like very like the Amish or whatever

and then it becomes very creepy at nighttime. I get that feeling with Alice. Like everything is so white and not just the people, but like the landscape is just so white and like very clean and put together, very hoity-toity. It's where I think to myself, this is the rich village. This is where at nighttime after 10 p.m., they start coming out, right?

They start getting a little scary on me. I think it's very beautiful, very fun. The next time I went, I enjoyed it more. This is my third time going to Alice Beach or in the 30A area. I get it. I now understand. I understand why people love it. I understand why people go down there all the time.

I understand why, you know, the beaches, how they're not just sandy, dude. It's like grainyer than sand. It's like more softer. It's comfortable. My kids love playing around in it. We're up there at nighttime. We have flashlights. We're chasing crows.

grabs down. I understand. And now I want to get a place down there. So that has been my, that has been my pivot. Yeah, we're moving south. Because I'm thinking to myself, bro, this exists. Why are we not down at this shit all the time? No, no, not Alice. And Alice is, I think Alice is fun. I think being near Alice is great. I don't like being in Alice. I think it's, uh, I don't if it's my upbringing or what, but I just have like, there's a representation of it. That's, I think it's beautiful. I think the restaurants are nice. But I, I'd rather live, a couple blocks away. Take my bike.

Take my bike. Take my bike and then cruise over there. Go to the raw and juicy. Get myself an assaye bowl and a couple of nice juices. And then dip out. I feel like there's a lot of, I have to wear a colored shirt 24-7 when I'm in that area.

You know? I get the looks when I'm wearing my old school bus in, the eagle with the beer, tie-dye white t-shirt, and my shorts that are a little too short for me. I start walking around that area. I get a couple of gawks and a couple of looks. That could also be because you're 6-7.

True. True. And covered tattoos. A lot of busing fans down there too. But it really is just Nashville at the beach. Yeah, yeah. It's really all it is down there. So I mess with it.

But I know you went down there as well. How was it for you? It was a great time. It was a great time. We stayed in Seacrest. Just kind of like right next to Rosemary. Alice is a little down the road. Dude, but it was a blast.

Tuesday was great weather. Wednesday was great weather. Thursday. Storm all day long. But we had dinner early and ended up hitting the beach for like the evening when the sunset goes down and everything else running around. We grab some photos. But dude, it was a fun time. A lot of chaos, but controlled chaos.

I kind of think about it like, you know, a football season. You put in all this work to prepare and plan for just these little moments at a time that you take in and enjoy. But then you get back in the car or you got to prep for the next day. And, you know, it's a little chaotic because you got a three-year-old. You got a six-month-old. So, but it was good. Yeah, it was a fun time. That's nice.

Caught a little color. There are a bunch of busing fans down there. A lot of people coming up, hey, did you end up finding a beach? Did you end up finding rentals? I got something for you if you didn't. That was going to be my question. Yeah, bro. Did you figure it out?

What was the situation with that? So here's what actually happened. We've been planning to go down to Rosemary Secreys 30A for a few months now. And Charo are a few weeks out called the rental company. to get us set up for, you know, an umbrella chairs, all the services so you're not carrying your chairs and everything down to the beach. And none of the services ended up calling back or getting back to her voicemails, which they usually do. And so we're heading down there and I'm like, let me just try to call. And I try to DM them on Instagram, these different spots.

I try to call them. Somebody finally answers. I want to say his name is Carrie. Shout out, Carrie. But he's like, oh, we got nothing this week, bro. And he's like, I don't think anybody. does so everything was booked up because we're driving down there the day of like oh we're driving down there on monday and so i took to the internet and my thought was we'll just buy an umbrella like we're just

gonna have to carry chairs we'll buy an umbrella and i'll just go out crack a dawn and just mark the territory and we're right spot stake it out this ain't going down so you know i'm telling you right now yeah i ain't gonna i ain't gonna let this happen to this family yeah we're not going down all this way we're not going to get a good spot and it gives you an opportunity to be the hero of this story which is awesome yeah and uh so he's you down there we buy an umbrella and everything but that night we were staying in uh we were staying in secret to where it's like this this village area we had a car we were renting a condo in this village area where they have all uh all these little eating spots there's a band playing at nighttime it's a lot of fun

and ben jones shows up he's down there we see each other we're chopping it up and he was like uh hey if you need a place to go to the beach like you can just come you can come to my house you can park and then you can just walk down to the to our beach area usually there's there's never that many people because everybody's down at like rosemary and see where alice everything else so we had the hook up through ben drove drove the next day went into his uh went into his little community parked on the lot where he's going to build on and we just had a little walk down to the beach so we were able to set up there and then on wednesday charl had uh we linked up with one of charles friends and we went to this place called the water sound club which seems immaculate they have it's like uh it's like uh it's like

a beach country club vibe to where you have private beach access there's pools there there's like a lazy river so they have all the you know the chairs the umbrella the food service going on so that way when you got the kiddos like you're you're set up you're not carrying a bunch of different things because rue will lose her mind if she has any grains of sand in her in her sandals which to peru like that is a very big pain in the ass yeah there's a couple of times i to make the trip from the beach back to the condo back and forth yeah and i'm feeling the sand between my toes and I'm fucking hating the life. Yeah, yeah. So we got to do that on Wednesday and then Thursday we did a lot of stuff just inside. We went down to a few shops and then in the evening we got

dinner early and went we went out to the beach and then Friday we sent it home. And shout to also Kirk Benker. He put me on Greaton, Greaton Beach, which is probably a 15 minute drive from where we're at. Is that Alice Rosemary? That way. Got you. No, Rosemary goes like Rosemary Seacrist, Alice, you know, we're Ben Jones and it's continuing up, it's continuing up that way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. That area, is that the area that the houses,

I don't want to say not as nice, but like they're more like southern beachy old school vibes. More often. Yeah, it feels more authentic, not as much of rich people found the area. Because I kind of, I like doing that little drive up there, go ahead, the turbo coffee. They had a little coffee spot out there. That's pretty awesome. And then you kind of keep going and it's a little more.

grain's like a good 15 minute drive so it might be a little farther than I'm thinking and there's a spot oh man it I forget I think it's called Hots HOTZ and they have these breakfast tacos and burritos and bowls and the coffee was phenomenal so we hit there a couple times but it was good dude hit a what is it Georgia's the dinner spot it's over by you it's over by Alice you not hit George's when you go to no oh buddy citizen is where we went on Wednesday yeah They're citizen Oku. There's that Charlie's Lord. Fonville? That place does fuck. They have an onion, onion dip type of thing. And then just that little rosemary town center,

bro, where it's got the fountain. Yeah, that's where you understand the Italy. She's also family friendly. You know what's awesome when there's six different ice cream shops. Yeah.

There's all these different kind of ice cream shops. It's like, I want to fucking, I want to be Ash Ketchum. I want to get them all. Yeah. Yeah. Super quick.

I was lucky enough, my grandmother was born in Blue Mountain Beach and actually lived in Graton Beach my entire life. So I got to grow up going to Grandma's house in Grayton. And a tip for you, if you're looking down there, it cannot get discovered because it is surrounded by national parks. So it cannot expand anymore. So that kind of vibe that you're looking for that's like, you're off the beaten path, but you're right there by it.

You should look in Graden. It's cool. You know what spot I really like. I really love is Ben Jones's little area. I don't want to put off anything his spot that he's at, but that neighborhood he's in. Yeah. Big fan of that.

Yeah. That's one that's like right next to Alice. Yeah. So that's what I like about it is you're just a bike. You're kind of a bike ride. You're a central, but you're just off a little bit to where you can go bike ride and hit it all. Because I do a big news. Win Rebel Luan right before we went down there.

We got a bike. And then we did the towel technique. Oh. When Rebel Luan can now ride a bike The what technique? The what technique? The what technique? The towel technique.

So you get them, first off, Wynn is a very cautious child. Love her to death. She gets nervous about new things. But you take a towel and you're wrapping around their torso and you kind of hold it and you kind of just jog next to them

or walk next to them while they're figuring out the balance of the bike. And we went down there first couple of times. There was one time. She spun out of control. Does the whole reach back for daddy thing? I'm thinking, brother, you're going to eat shit.

Just had her dangling. Like the bike hits. She's just like, like Tom Cruise Mission Impossible, right? He goes down, catches. And I got her back up. Hit her with a couple of those. But now she's riding. She's still afraid to have the towel off,

but I kind of just jog next to her now while I hold the towel. And she's like fully balancing herself also. So I'm just getting a solid sweat in. But yeah, the bike riding. I love the bike riding. I love the golf carts. I love that. I love the fact they don't have to get in a car.

I can go park my car and not have to see it for the rest of the trip I'm down. there. And so Ben's area, I think, is awesome because it's right there. Their beach access, so easy. You don't have to ask a lot of questions. You just walked in that one little area. And it's cool, like Ben's down there. T.R. is in that same area. The one bad part about it is you can't rent it. You can't rent it out. So if you were to get a place, can't rent it. Yeah, I think if I ever got a place, I'd probably get it near that, that Water Sound Club. I need to know more about that. Grab a golf cart. What's the name of it? Just get a little townhouse, have a golf car, just have a spot where you go.

You can take an easy little golf cart ride and the services are there. So that way you're not, you know. Is that up the road like away from the beach? It's like in, but yeah, it's like more, again, explaining it. Rosemary, C.christ, Alice, the Ben Jones area, a little more up from that. Got you. A little more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But that area, you go to past Alice, you take a right. There's like this, I don't want to use the word country club. but it is kind of like a country club. They have golf courses on there. They have a really nice day-of-art gym. But there's also like a little like water park player where they have a lazy river and stuff like that that's just up the road.

It might be Water Sound Club. It might be. Why do you hate country club? You got to let go of the country club. You stayed in Alice Beach. Yeah, no. I stayed in Alice Beach. I rented in Alice Beach,

which by the way, the amenities of Alice Beach is insane. I understand that for sure. I don't like being told with the wear. I don't like, I don't like that's like you have, If there's a dress code, it just bothers me. It's like, why the fuck do we need that? We don't have to...

You kind of get just told what to wear so you don't have to think about it. No, because it's... No, because if it's given to me, like, here's your khaki shorts and here's your collar shirt that you have to wear every day. It's like, great, it's like private school.

I'll just walk around, knowing us to worry about how they look because we all look the same. But it's like, you gotta wear a collar shirt, you have to do this, tucked in, belt, blah, blah, blah. That's where I kind of like, dude, what are we trying to prove here?

What are we chasing, as Corey Levin would say? I'm just trying to have fun. So let me wear my t-shirt and my shorts onward. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. As long as you get it. As long as you get it.

Bus and Bowles official. 3.30. 3.30. Is that Eastern? What? 3.30 Eastern? It's an afternoon game. We're in the afternoon game.

It's a second slot after the first slot game. Yeah. Buston Bowl. And Lincoln, Nebraska. September 20th, birthday weekend. Let's fucking go. Can we get... It's fun to talk about now.

Can we get your early line? Just what you think the line of the game would be? I think it'll be... I think it'll be Nebraska minus five and a half. I mean, man, let's be realistic. It'll probably be Michigan favored around like seven and a half if we beat Oklahoma. If we don't beat Oklahoma,

I think that line's more in your minus one and a half, minus two and a half. I don't think Nebraska. Nebraska's been given the respect it deserves quite yet. So I think it's going to lean a lot heavier towards Michigan. If we beat Oklahoma in Oklahoma,

a line's going to get towards the double digit category. What would you say if I told you that Fandul has already set the line just for you boys? What? What? Live reaction on the bus.

No shit. Oh, yeah. Shout out for you. Can we ask who was closer? You can't. Yep. Who's closer? Well, why don't we just pull it

up you don't see okay that seems fair that's a good i mean you got a hammer mission minus three and a half right now right you got to hammer that that's you got to hammer that's it's a fair line yeah it's a fair line i mean what was the last time these two teams played it was over 20 points it was 21 and a half i believe yeah yeah it was a lot it was a lot we don't got to go here right now do we i'm just saying you you look right here you got plus 136 odds on just Nebraska money line. So if you do think Nebraska is going to win this game, you're in a very favorable spot.

Yeah, it's going like that. It's starting equal out a little bit. Yeah. I do like the minus three and a half. You're right. If you're a Michigan fan, you got to hammer them. Right, because a lot of things can change this first three weeks. Could get worse from Michigan.

No doubt about it. Yeah. But they handle Oklahoma. I had a conversation with a guy down in Alice Beach. Actually, he was wearing a thing. I said, boomer. He said, soon as I said, how do you feel about Michigan? He goes, I don't know.

I said, all right, thank you, sir. All I needed, went back to the beach. Josh Pate seems to be pretty high in Oklahoma. Does he? Is he? I think he's got to be in his top ten. I don't like that because Pate is low-key, the college football guru. Yeah. He understands business.

Is the, like, boomer sooner call, like in public? That's a pretty solid one, right? Like a go blue, whatever. You just hit them with a boomer and they hit you sooner. I like ones that have more, like, call recall. Like, so boomer, then they say sooner. But like, that's a recall. But you say, yeah, yeah.

I know, but you say go blue. And go blue is just go blue. Right, right, right. There's no go. Like we are. So Gary was saying, you were saying, that's a pretty good.

Oh, yeah, but then he said, like Michigan go blue. It was like, oh, yeah. I didn't want to say roll tide. So, so you say roll?

Do you say roll and then somebody says tied? No. Is it, is boomer sooner? Better than game? Cox. You could say Cox. No, I think,

I take game Cox over that. But I mess up. Carolina. Oklahoma, like, I don't have any ties. I don't have any care about them. But your whole argument is based off if you guys win or lose against Oklahoma right now. So do you care?

And are you going to say boomer? Yeah, to me, it's not a bad blood game. Like, that's a worthy opponent. That's a solid. That's an SEC school. We're going to have to travel down to them. And we're going to have to, we're going to see where we lie early in the season.

A lot of people want to say, hey, we're not going to do these big time non-conference games. We fucking, we're standing 10 toes down. We're going to go get this non-conference game in. We're going to handle business. I think you've got to take the three and the half now. Yeah. I think so.

If you're leaning towards that way. Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously, I like the three and a half a lot because you win in Oklahoma. Right. Right. You lose in Oklahoma. It depends how you lose. It might just stay insane.

Yeah. So it'll be interesting. September 20th, baby. Our guest for this podcast this year. Go on tape. But, big time. Before we do that, let's talk about True Classic's Gooner of the month. Let's talk about True Classic for a second.

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It was a very, very close race this month. Jared obviously put in a lot of work with the internships, getting all those things going. He's the middle of it right now. We met the internships early on this episode. Great job to Jared. Earned it, deserves it. Congrats again to him, man.

And thank you. A little photo on the wall. Nice, a little photo on the wall. Good parking spot. And he'll be leading the core values exercise every week. He will. He will absolutely be doing that. Good for him.

Let's take a quick, tiny little break. And then let's get into this episode. with Mr. Golden-Tayton. But before I take this break, I want to talk to you about something. Boys, we put in the work in May, Mother's Day, right? We grind it.

She woke up in the morning. We made her a little bit of breakfast. We said, honey, don't worry about the kids. We're going to take the kids. We're going to rip with the kids a little bit. You can go ahead and sit back in the corner. We just have a book, get on the phone. Do whatever you want today because today is all about you.

Well, Tides have now turned. And the thing we're taking the most pride in this month is Bothers Day. The merch is out. Let's get a round of applause for the merch right now. You can find that at bwtb.com. It is outstanding. Garrett, talk to us about this shirt you made.

Talk to us about this shirt. I mean, this one kind of speaks for itself. I feel like this is a Will Compton staple. He's built a community on Twitter for Trash Day. So we had to remind everyone out there, all the fathers out there, don't miss Trash Day. Don't miss Trash Day. Dads, don't let dads forget Trash Day. Don't do it.

Getting a group chat with your neighborhood. the boys know night before get it going that shirt will remind you to remind them a little buss in little buss and call on the front love the bus and call in the front we got um dad duty blank on the front dad duty on the back opposite of that that did that dude on the back that would maybe we should do one of those though i like that how the top on the back or a blank back you just said 30A where it was blank on the front and had the step in the back and i was like oh that's kind of cool so that's where my brain went to nice boys in 38 still. We also got

this one is sick. Yeah. This one we pulled out before the episode started and I looked at it. I was like, have you seen this fucking shirt? Dad's strength is real. Boom. Sweat, tears and beers. Ah. That's 415 that wolf's got on his back. That's 415. That's some light. For those you count shit.

It's something light. Those are 45s. There's a bunch of other stuff. BWTB.com. Shop till you drop. Father's Day's coming. What about these hats up here? Oh, we got some hats too. Boom. What's going on yours? Dad.

What is this one say? Hats. Girl, dad. And also I've had this one for a minute. Look at you. That's got some wear and tear on it. Dad. Just says dad.

That looks good warning. It's nice warning, right? It's like leather. It looks better than more you wear it. And speaking of the dad note. Tell them, Will. We have a new show that will be starting next week. And that podcast is called For the Dads.

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It's a show to vent. It's a show to feel it out. Hey, these good things happen. These bad things happen. Yeah. This is what Will Compton's been doing. Yeah. Go ahead and tell me what you've been doing.

Yeah. And now we can just kind of feel this little potluck of love and hatred and anger. Not hatred. A little bit of anger. A little bit of back and forth. Let's just feel it together. Just piece of skin. Just pieces scattered everywhere.

We're just trying to figure out how to put it together. Because at the end of the day, we don't know what the hell we're doing. We don't. We're all trying to figure it out. Right. You're your dad. As is the first time being a dad of a seven-year-old. She'll be eight soon.

First time being a dad of an eight-year-olds. That shit'll suck, which turns out. I'll probably cry. Actually, I think I'm going to cry right now. Let's go to our guest, Golden Tate. If you want to cry, go watch a Lilo and Stitch. That's much out of that. Winner up this episode to bring you,

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So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call. about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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that be appreciative if they unlimited me since i invested in the company by the way but uh look i i just i've always been a gambler um legally we couldn't do it for the longest time and now it's like the thing to do so i'm always trying to hammer about 20 or 30 bets in the day um it doesn't matter if i'm betting on college football or asian baseball i'm doing it you'll go you'll go international i'm I'm doing it. I'm doing it. And what I'm doing is I'm trying to find edge. And the way I picture it is, the way I see it is, like, all right, look, what I'm doing

is buying stocks. Say, you know what? There it is. Say I'm buying this bottle. You're selling it, you know, you're selling it to me for a dollar. Yeah. But I can go here and get it for 95 cents, but then I can go over there and get it for 84 cents. Whether I like the water or not, the deal is finding the best deal.

And so I'm going to invest in this. this water, not because I love the water, but because, which I actually do love body armor, but because I love the value that I'm getting. And so I'm finding value. And it's like, I guess they call it EV vet betting. And so over time, if you ever want to beat the books, you got to find value. So I have, I have probably 10, 11 books. Like I got all of them. I even got to the point where I got a different VPN to get some of the books that are out of, out of state. No shit. Yeah, which I stop doing because it's probably not good to do.

Now you guys, it sounds like you're somebody who's just doing more straight up, like straight up bets versus like parley's. Parlay's, in my opinion, is how you don't win. Blasphemous. Yeah. I love a good parlay. I mean, I love a good parlay, but I'm in a business. Plus 5,500 parlay and just think, what if, dude.

That shit is the best. Eight, nine legs. And you're like, buddy, I mean, if it all works out, this $50 turns into whatever, this is now that is incredible yeah you know but that's just life on the edge i mean if you're in the business of making money parley's is not how you make money but if you just want like a little a drilling rush and like man if i can do this yeah yeah you know just a little bit like yes if i pull this off this is legendary but everything has to go right now you are mostly picking like favorites to where you're getting as close to like minus 100 odds as possible yeah preferably like if

I'm going to go out there and take something with a 5% EV edge, I like it to be in, okay, where, you know, the best edge I'm getting is minus 125, but the sharpest book in the world has them at minus 155. To me, that's like, I'm hopping over that, all over that. I'm hammering that bet and hoping it works out. Talk to me about your fall. Like, when do you start jumping on? Because I know, like, professional gamblers kind of do like early when the lines first come out or like, right at the end. Do you usually start early in the week? I wake up every morning and I thank God for letting me hit these feet

hit the ground and I'm opening up the app and I'm trying to find something that absolutely hammer and I don't care if it's damn a chest match or Asian soccer or Indian baseball. If I find the edge... I believe that's called cricket. There it is. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. And so, but once a football season to me is, how was it? It's tougher for football because there's so many variables, especially when you get to the skill position of right while receivers and stuff. Like I, I win, but I have a better chance of losing just because like, you know, in order for me to be successful in the football field as a receiver, I need the offensive line to hold up. I need the quarterback to deliver a dime.

I need to have a good coverage that allows me to do that. Now, I like doing the overrunner catches for like people like. like DJ Moore or like maybe even Adam Thieland or, you know, really this like an Amman Ra. Like those guys, I know they're going to get their screens. They're going to get those short routes. And then if they, you know, crack something open, they might get something down to field. Yeah. I love that.

He's got a methodology. Yeah, he did. He's definitely dialed doing it. So when you're looking at NFL, you're more of a prop bet guy over like a team situation. For the most part. Yeah. But, you know, if, if Kansas City's. playing the Raiders last year at minus, you know, I'm getting them at one, minus 175.

I might go ahead and hammer that one. Yeah. And then when the odds are that high towards the favorite, are you betting higher to acquire or you keep your bets normally the same? I've learned in order to be successful, you need to have discipline in this, in this sporting game. You have to have discipline. You've got to have whatever unit sizes, you've got to be consistent. But sometimes you have that gut feeling.

wherever these boys is going to hammer them. And so I might not only take the win, but I might take them, I might take Canc City at a minus 14 or something like that or minus nine and a half where I get plus $200 or something crazy like that. If I have a feeling, but for the most part, I've learned to be really disciplined because I've also been on the other side where I'm like, yeah, I know football. I think they're going to, you know, the Browns are going to lose and then the Browns go out there and win. and then I'm down $5,000 and I had to risk $8,000 to even get that, right? Right. So. Isn't it crazy?

The statement you just brought up about, I know football, so I believe this is going to happen. When I first started doing the gambling thing, I was like, well, I understand the game more than 99% of the world. I'm being able to just dice up these sports books. And quickly found out they know way more than I do. Vegas understands the game way better than I do. ever could. Vegas was belt to ass. Yeah.

When I first started, I was getting my head beat all the way open. I was frustrated and I was starting to like, what is going on? Like, I know football. Right. Like this shit is rigged or something.

But then I just kind of like, you know, got crushed and lost a lot of like extra money that I'd earned in appearances. And my wife was like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Like, so you know,

you got to charge you to the game. Yeah, charge it to the game. My mood's changed. And then I just like, you know what? I'm done betting on emotions because clearly Vegas and the books are much smarter than me. Because that's why their lights are on and mine were threatening to be off. Dude, yeah, it's so fucking crazy with the NFL.

How like things you just, you see two teams and you know one team's way better than the other. And you're like, I'm hammering this team. And they're going to cover. Then all of a sudden that team has like an ungodly day. The Browns are a perfect example of that. Yep. How they are able to do that. when you were playing how difficult.

So let's do this. When did you know that you love sports gambling? I thought my, see, my dad was a gambler. My granddad was a gambler and like pool table. And like just, it's just in me. It's just in me.

I'm a competitor. And like anytime you put competition, sign me up, coach. And so I was always on the golf course gambling. I was out in the locker room gambling and burray, Tonk, cornhole, ping pong, on the plane.

On the plane, yes. Those plane flights get scary. Oh, my gosh. And I got my head beat open in when I was young too. But anytime I could be competitive and then throw some money on it, sign me up. And so as soon as I got done with football, because I was also never wanted to ruin my career, you know, getting involved in that. And I've seen guys get smacked upside the head. And so I just kind of, once I got done, I was like, all right, well, here we go.

This is a way for me to watch it. This is a way for me to have some skin in the game. and Vegas abused me for a long time. What's the most amount of money you've seen like gambled and bet around in the locker room playing like boo-ray and talk? Because being in Washington, like getting kind of sit back and watch DeAngo Hall,

Trent Williams, Brian and Rackpawin the boys just, I'm talking, they'd get off a flight, talking about how they were down like six figures. And it would just blow my... That shit is crazy to me. Just irresponsible.

Yeah, irresponsible. And then we weren't a big gambling. The Titans were a big. gambling, then Rack came over and Harry Douglas. Yeah. And all of a sudden, they were getting after it every week. Yeah. Where Harry would bring like stacks, like 25,000.

And he, and they'd play like between meetings. I'm thinking, I wish I would live this stress free. Yeah. I wish I was able to live like that. I've seen guys playing Bure. I've seen guys have no more cash and put their Rolexes or their brightlins on the table. Bam. And I'm just like, you've lost your mind.

After they've lost the cash that they had. They've lost the cash and they're feeling so good or they're so desperate that they're just like, here you go. Now, most guys have a heart and I'm like, bro, no, I'm not going to do that. Just take your watch and we'll settle up. I'll give you a 30, 40% deal, you know, so instead of giving me 100 racks, you know, just give me 40 and we'll call it good or something. Which is crazy. Has it ever, have you ever experienced anything or seen it? where it's gotten to the point to where it like got physical because guys were pissed off?

No, it never got to that point because we had some other guys who are always always managing it. And you can see things starting to heat up. And so if things heat up, you start like, all right, I'm prepared to like de-escalate this real quick before it becomes a problem. And then coaches are saying, like, you can't gamble, period on the plane. You can't play any cards. And so, you know, don't mess up for everybody. but I've seen some aggressive, like, hurtful words been sad. I'm like, damn, that would hurt.

Yeah. That would hurt me. But we'd have guys. I think I've told this story before, but a couple teammates, they were just gambling over, what is it? We used to play it all the time at your house. Oh, shuffleboard. Shuffleboard.

And they're just throwing one. They're just sliding one, and they're just trying to get closer to the end. And they just do it on one. And they're betting thousands of dollars. And it got to where this was somebody who was like undrafted. and he was taking he was taking some money from one of the big dogs

and he the dude was so pissed off he had to like walk out the big dog the big dog was so pissed off he had to like walk out and I'm like saying and I'm like guys y'all have to stop doing this and I'm you know telling the dude by his name I'm like bro just just cut this loss now and go away and he was he was pissed off

and be like no I'll get your fucking money and it's like this is post practice to where everybody's gone and I'm just getting done showering and they're just sitting there playing shuffleboard just one at a time trying to play closest to the end. Yeah. To where it gets to the point to where it's uncomfortable.

My boy, it was Houston Bates, was the one who was winning. To where Houston is uncomfortable still having to play because the other one, he would keep making him play so he could win his money back. So that's, like, feeling bad that he's, like, continuing to beat him. And you just feel the tension everywhere. The thing that I never understood is the, you have to go again. Because we would always have that little mini basketball hoop in the locker room. And I would just do little mid-range shots and just kind of death by a thousand cuts.

Yeah. And we play pig, 100 bucks, whatever. Yeah. And I would win a couple games against these guys. And they'd be like, do it again.

I'm like, no, I'm done. I won $200. I'm going to go back to my locker and go to cold up. And they're like, then for the next four days, they're mad at me that I didn't give them another shot.

And it's like, what do you mean? Like, how long do you want this to last? Right. How long do you want to keep this going? There's no end here. They're like,

it's the code. It's the code. I'm like, what are we talking about? I don't have a computer in front of me. I don't the hell is going on. And you just, yeah,

you just, yeah, I want money and I want to walk away now. To the point where you're like, maybe I should just lose. So everything's a wash. And it can all just be fucking done for you. Because it is crazy how dudes will,

I've never seen that amount of money. I were like whatever money you're probably talking about or the 100,000 you're talking about. I was never in that type of position. Yeah. But I'd be up like three, four hundred bucks in these little basketball games and these dudes are getting pissed about it. And I'm like, I know how much money you make.

What do you, what's the problem here? And it's great. And they would literally sometimes even take it in the practice field. Were they, I'd be like, what's up? You're good? And they'd be like, whatever, man. I think myself, bro.

We're about to hit a two-minute drill. What are we mad about right now? It is crazy. There should be like a document. Not a document. I think you could easily make a show about the inner workings of a locker room. Yeah. Like a sitcom type of thing.

Absolutely. The equipment staff, how they operate, the players inside. Like, don't even show any football. Just like how everyone kind of like, just that ecosystem is just crazy to me. It's nuts. We interrupt this episode to bring you neutral vodka seltzer. Have you tried neutral? If not, you are missing out.

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because it is such a crowd pleaser. Whether you're watching at a bar, watching the game in the backyard and the man cave with your boys, doesn't matter where you're hanging out to homies, you bring neutral. Neutral, keep it tasty. You've been part of like four different teams? Yeah, it was Seattle, Detroit, Philly, New York. Yeah, the Giants. And then the Titans rented me on practice choir for like eight weeks.

What's the most dysfunctional locker room you've been? and don't say Titans. Oh, man. He said don't say that. What year was that? Which, which year? Titans. It was like 20, 21?

It was like the year after COVID maybe. Yeah. And yeah, the year that you guys were like a one seed or two seed. You had Julio and AJ out. They brought me in and decided to just keep me on ice for whatever reason. And that was it. But the most dysfunctional locker room to me was Philadelphia. Eagles.

You got their the year after the Super Bowl, right? Exactly. Yeah. That's the most dysfunctional locker. The most dysfunctional place. Now, the fan base, you want to be on their side as we all know that. Like, they are very passionate.

Their fans know their sports. But inside that locker room, dog, first of all, the locker room, but price locker room was underwhelming. I was like, well, this is what we got here. The food was great. but the indoor was not even 100 yards. It was like 60 or 70 yards in a bubble. And we were having a practice with people for NovaCare actually rehab and who were

unaffiliated with the organization. Like they're just people who were just getting rehab. And it was like weird to me. And we had a few incidents. We had an incidence. We're making a playoff push. And Alvinton Lyman and one of the coaches got into it about the game before and the alignment is like you see this is how it's supposed to be and the coach is like

no motherfucker this is how it's supposed to be i was right last week and they're just going back and forward i'm going to line of scrimmage and a walk through like what is going on and dug is just holding his like little postcard with his notes with this little visor on just like i ain't guys stop it just calm down these guys keep going at and eventually one guy throws the ball at the other guy and then they just run each other and start fighting. I'm sitting on a line of scrimmers like, is this really happening? We're trying to get to the playoffs right now. This is a coaching a player?

This is a coaching a player, bro. What was that the year, uh, Carson was playing and went down with the knee? No, that was the year before because Carson went down. That's right. That's when they won the Super Bowl. And then the season he came in, that's when Nick was benched. No, Carson was the star. Carson had a back injury at some point right around when I got there.

They didn't know. By the way, their doctors mishandles so many injuries. Like, so many. I'm talking about, they had to go to court for it. Tell them about malpractice. Yes. Yes. Yes.

It's noted. I mean, Chris Margos, they mishandled him, and he just settled with them for like a trillion dollars. But anyway, then what was that saying? You were talking about Carson Wentz. He had a back injury that they didn't know about. Yeah, that started that you were going to. the playoff push.

Mm-hmm. And it was a bigger deal than anyone thought it was. So Foles comes in and handles the show and we end up pushing to the playoffs and end up getting put up by New Orleans. But, yeah, that was a different dynamic, too. You know, Foles and Carson, it was, they tolerate each other, but you can tell they were not best buds. It's got to be hard, man, because it's like Carson, he was having, I mean, he was like a

front runner for. the MVP before he went down. Yeah, he was like, they were like, they were like, what, 12 and no? Yeah. Then he goes down, they go on and win the Super Bowl with Nick Foles. Nick Foles plays well. There's all this talk going on because I want to say, was that starting to get into the COVID? No.

Yet? But people there are, I want to say there are question marks around like Carson's work ethic and buying in the off season on whether it's, you know, hey, are you staying with us to train in Philly? And it sounds like that's not the place you want to be at. So you might be somewhere else. And then, hey, who's going to be the starter? He was the MVP.

but you also have the Super Bowl winner and just being in the same room of a position group where there's only like three guys sitting in there. It's got to be awkward. Like you're trying to be a pro and again tolerate each other but it has to be weird.

I'm like, because sometimes the coaches aren't even telling you what they're thinking. No, yeah. So you're going to walk in wondering what's going to be happening with you because you're still trying to be the best at the end of the day.

Yeah. And if coaches are kind of gray with you that it creates this unnecessary like assumptions between everybody which probably just makes it awkward. And yeah, like the environment you talked about with the fan base with Philly.

Like they're the one of the loudest fan base is when it comes to criticism. Yeah. And if Carson's kind of not doing what he's supposed to do and Nick just took everybody to the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl. And Carson has one bad game. Fans are going to come on top of that. Fans are like, fuck this guy. I give any grace.

And I can imagine being like, you know, Carson who went to what, North Dakota State? Like a D1 AA school gets picked to the top five of the draft, ends up having the success he does. Then all of a sudden he like, it was a diving for a touchdown, right? One guy hits his style One guy hits his calf And that's what Torit still stays in Throws himself a touchdown

And he walks off the field That's a badass fucking move But to sit there and have the ACL Knowing what the fan base of the Eagles are I bet you there was a piece of him That's like Hopefully they go far in the playoffs But they don't want to win it though

Because then it's like That main character syndrome comes in The narcissism that every football player possesses the ego In a lot of ways And then the next season it's I'm sure in the offseason is already talking, we want Nick. Nick's a guy that's going to do it.

This guy's damaged goods, blah, blah, blah. When did Carson have this back injury? You say it was right before you got there? It was like, well, it had to be before I got there, but it got worse. And then they got x-rays and saw that he had something really going on. I was either back or neck, and then he was kind of out of there, which had to be like, because I got traded right before the deadline, like literally. on my off day before they call me, which is what, week eight.

Yeah. At the time, we're playing 16 games. So probably week, I don't know, 10, 11, 12, maybe. I don't know. What do you feel like it was that was creating? Because obviously you weren't there the year before and some of the stuff leading up. But when you're getting in and learning about the big picture of everything, where do you feel like a lot of the friction was getting created?

Do you feel like Carson has just not back to where he was full health and he just couldn't go? And so Nick was probably the better guy to play. Was there political stuff going on with Carson and Nick in the front office? It's got to be such a weird thing to walk into halfway through the season as well. It was so uncomfortable, man. It is one of the hardest things ever to get traded midseason at the Y receiver position and try to figure out how I can step in and be an asset to this organization right away because a show still has to go on.

Yeah. And I've been running slants my entire life. But the way Carson wants to slant versus how Stafford or any other quarterback wants to slant, it's just different. And if it comes down to like, all right, well, fourth, it's fourth down two-minute offense. Who am I going to go to? I'm going to go to the guy that I've been running the slant with the whole year. Nothing against your athleticism or how you run it. Just like, I'm not completely comfortable. And that's just a difference between, you know, the camaraderie that you have and the, you know, the bonding you have. But to me, it, Carson, he was, he's a young guy, you know,

And obviously being drafted in the first round and in the city of Philadelphia is just hard, man. I mean, everybody knows their sports and everyone has an opinion and they are not afraid to boo you. You can have 11 straight good games and one bad game and you're getting booed. And so like dealing with that as a young man is already enough. And you're the quarterback of the, you're the supposed to be the face of the franchise. And then this happens. Nick comes in, takes you the rest of the way. I know like on camera I'm super happy for the guy but deep down you're thinking like man is this

the beginning of the end how do they view me do they even think I was a huge part of the super run although you know I didn't take us the whole way you just got all these thoughts that pop into your head um and so you know you had carson who was you know after a good game he's reading to see what they're saying but after a bad game he's reading to see you know people out of the absolutely shit on him and like I would walk up in the bus and I just like see him like kind of like to himself I'm like bro it's all right bro like just bounce back and you have foals who was like coming to the locker room he spoke with everybody I wouldn't get a single pass the entire game but in the fourth quarter he'd make me think it was still coming hey golden stay ready stay

ready I'm coming to you and it just felt like car and I was part of cars and click but it felt like with Carson he had his four to five six guys all offense defense that he liked and he hung with. And that was all that mattered, right? Everyone else, it felt like, bro, do you want to hang out with me or do you want to have a relationship? You want to have lunch, dinner? Can we do something together? And that's kind of just the feel. But I wasn't there long enough, nor did I want to even step into all that and deal with it. I just kind of was like, man, this is enough. I'm trying to figure out how to get to my apartment to the facility, where the lunchroom is, what the playbook is. And so, but it's, you know, that was just kind of

the feel that I got. Yeah. When you, when you walk on the bus and you're seeing a guy slunch in the corner after a bad game, hit the search bar on Twitter, and they're going through, just you see them fighting those demons. For whatever reason,

feeding themselves that, do you ever say anything to a guy like Carson? You gotta just keep it moving. Bro, I would advise when you have a bad game, just delete the app for that week until you have a good, boy, these dang, internet demons, boy, they are relentlessly.

list dog and they don't have you question like damn dude I'm maybe I shouldn't be playing football yeah like bro I would be questioning myself this is in college just on message boards and I would question myself so much that I would have to go back and watch my high school highlights just to see if I still had it just to see if I still had it like damn am I God for real yeah yeah in college for me like I wasn't savvy enough to know about the message boards my dad would kind of talk about him because he was always on right same with my own man But I never like ventured in. So I lived in a nice little world of just thinking I was the man all the time in Michigan.

And even if I had a bad game, it was like, I'm going to play better next week. It doesn't matter. You get so angry. You get to fucking the NFL. And it's like now I feel like it's where you realize like your livelihood is now in question. Like if you don't play well long enough, it will end for you. And in college, it's like, well, I have next year. I can develop do this.

But when you get to the NFL and you start starting and you don't have a game and you feel like you're on display because it is the NFL. Like, dude, it's suck. And it would suck worse than having a bad game and knowing it a bad game and reading it because it's like you're just validating what you already know It's when you go and you have a what you believe was a good game and you go to that search bar and people like yo Lawan got toasted by that guy I'm thinking myself what the fuck are you talking about like you're legit just mad about for whatever reason Like this and then you want to respond you you fucking with the reply button you type out some nasty shit And then you hit the delete you know like I can't let people know I'm just searching my own name You also make you start getting in your head on like and I wonder

if the coaches feel this way too because they're not going to sit there it won't be like they're not going to write it publicly they're going to talk to you like hey let's go to the next play but then they're going to be in staff meetings you all know what goes down to staff meetings right so all this shit fester's in your head yeah man it's dangerous it's a dangerous game out there we had uh

you'd be so far out there I had a coach assistant office line coach for like pretty the whole time I was at the Titans Mike Sullivan and anytime I ran into these like insecurities of like am I fucking not who I think I am I would just go to him and he would tell me point blank hey this is what you're doing right this is they're saying about you. This is what you need to do better.

And he would, whether it was good or bad, it was, he was like my little safety net for nine years, which was awesome to have. I mean, that was, that was good. Do you remember, you were there in 2018, right? Yeah, 2018 and 2018. I was suspended for a PED for four games. The first game I came back, we played the bills.

After that game, there's like, coaches, like have like notes and stuff like that. They put on their iPad. For whatever reason, Mike Raibald's notes got leaked. And that locker room, the next day, because we were, they're reading the O line notes. We were two and two. Two and two and two.

And then we went two and three. So we started two and three. We ended up starting the season two and four before they mentioned Marcus. But after that game, I think it was like play three. And it was a Mike Vrabble note says, 77. Why are we paying him this much? I was just like, and you just, you got it. And I didn't even know about it.

it was like I think well Ben always was in the Dennis Dennis Dennis knew about it and so guys were saying like oh these notes are going on his notes are going around and I'm thinking man people probably get murdered on that and then I think one of them Dennis or Ben showed me that note and it Beau you could have I could have dropped dead right there the worst thing in the world because I'm already suspended I think I've just ruined the team the season I remember like

talking with the team I can't be like I'm suspended but I came out like the day before camp started but like addressing the team and all that and then you go. There's all these things like Taylor's gonna save the season when I come back, which was like a great compliment but in my head of like there's no fucking way a left tackle saving a season

because we're two and two. And then it come out, have like three penalties, a bunch of bullshit and then I see that comment. Terrible. That's got to be one of the worst feelings, man. It was awful, bro. It was awesome. Yeah, man, too.

Fantasy football. Like, kind of your point. Like, I have a good game like where I helped our team win, but in fantasy football, I didn't do squat for your team. But in actuality, I would have, I had four catch for, we'll say, 27 yards. But three of those catches were four were first down conversions in the fourth quarter as we're driving. So, you know, those are, that's good for us.

But people are like, I'm benching you. You suck. Like, you're so washed. And I'm like, the skill players do have to deal with the fantasy. What? You got to deal with us, too. Because we've started. Oh, buddy, I'll walk around the sideline.

And I'd say like, hey, going, you know, I need two more out of you right now. Like, what's all? And I'm down, three points in my fantasy. I didn't know about that. That's two screens right there. That's it. Yeah, that's all you need. That's all you.

That is got to be a crazy fucking thing to deal with. Oh, it's gnarly, man. And thankfully, like, you just, I also think like, okay, most of these people probably weren't watching the Detroit Lions game because it probably wasn't on for one. So they don't really know what they're talking about. They just see numbers. And if you just look at pure numbers, four for, 28, 27 yards ain't good unless you guys touchdown.

It's like, right. And they're going to cut it. And then they lose by 0.25. I'm feeling like, you know, but see, it's a double side of sore because when we help your fantasy team, we love reading about it. Like, yeah, we're all interacting with the comments. And then when we screw your fantasy team, you think I care about your fantasy team? Right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's like, we contradicting each other. Dude, I remember, like, was it Todd Gurley? he was I mean this is always like a strategic thing but like him stopping like you're in a four minute type of situation and they the defense lets you score and he would stop on like the one yard line and fantasy players across the board would be so mad at Todd and I'm pretty sure Todd had a little tweet that came out was like fuck your fantasy team it just like sent that into the

universe and it was like yo Todd's a fucking gangster for that yeah you are you are his I'm so bummed for guys like him because that's a that's a light that shines so bright but went out so quickly I remember playing him like 20. That is funny. If I ever see you in public, we're fist fighting over your fantasy football performance this year and Todd Gurley pull up there. There was a receiver teammate of mine that was showing me his DMs and the receiver teammate was essentially threatening this dude's life saying he will go to his house and

kill him. Oh, no shit. Yeah, talking about you. You play with Aaron Hernandez? Oh, that's crazy. I don't know you were that old. No, but that shit is, uh, that stuff. Dude, I've had people pop into my DMs.

And I've even had them do it on my like timeline. Like, hey, I hope your mom gets raped and I hope you get to watch your sisters get killed. I'm like, golly. Over a fantasy performance? Yes. Like, I'm like, dude, you had to come find. You don't even follow me. You had to come search my name.

Then you had to type it all out and make sure grammatically it was probably correct. And you still chose to hit sin. You got to have a different type of behavior. You got to be mad for a long time. Man, you got some other issues versus this fantasy team, Bub. You got some stuff. Some deems you need to dress at home. Yeah.

People get that way too because you can make, you know, everybody can like have a burner or get behind a profile. It's just like not real. Yeah. I mean, like you don't know who the person is. You ever thought about creating like a little burner profile just firing back at the little dickheads and come at you?

I think Will's got like three or four. Yeah. Oh, I just know I don't have any burns. We'll call Wilcompton's bulge. Little Compton's bulge is out there. Man, what other ones? Any pro-will Compton ones you can probably, they're easy to find.

I thought it could be fun. but just to clear the air I do not have a burner I'm just letting people know I thought about having one on several occasions and I was probably close to doing it

but then I knew myself I'm gonna slip up and I'm gonna send one from my actual account right because that's what I feel like that's happened yes

KD KD yeah KB yeah I was like I ain't gonna do it I ain't gonna do it

that is crazy yeah that I mean the burner thing we got a guy that works for us he's bigger to the burner game

yeah in the burner game but he'll go on his burners and have arguments with himself like he'll go he'll tweet something from his and then his burner will come in and say something then he'll say something back there is there's wilcofton right there well confton's bold that i want to say is that the one they got creative when we were all together and i was trying to figure out who it was because you guys were talking about burners earlier in the day and i was hell bent that one of these dudes in our you thought it was one of our boys yeah because they were talking about a burner early in the day and then later that night we get we get snacks from a gas station we're all sitting around chilling i

think watching a movie or something, then Will Compton's bulge pops up, but I'm thinking, which one of you motherfuckers created? Yeah, the internet is an unruly place. Getting traded to Philly, did you have any idea that that trade was coming from Detroit? No. Yeah, what's that process

like? Bro. Yeah, because we got to get into your career. You had a hell of a career, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. So, check me out. So it's like a Monday or something, or maybe even a Tuesday. Actually, let's go, rewind. Friday before game, They offer me a deal, which was a low ball deal. And it's like the second offer.

I'm like, I respectfully decline. I think I'm more valuable than that. Look what I've done. I haven't missed any games. I've been in community. Like, I've had several thousand. And leading up to this point, you're in a good relationship with Detroit. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And then they're holding on to that, but he's about to be 30. But I haven't played like a 30-year-old, not once. I've been on the field. I hadn't missed the game. It's six, seven years. Anyway, so they offered me the deal on Friday. I don't accept it.

I go play on Sunday. And I have a pretty decent game, I believe. I come back on a Monday or Tuesday. I met the doctor's appointment and I see Bob Quinn on my phone. I'm like, hey, what's up? I'm like, yeah, you're going to offer me something good. It must be so good that he wanted to call and tell me what it was himself before my agent got to me. Hey, Bob Quinn, or, Quinn, hey, hey, hey, Golden.

How you doing? I'm good, just leaving the doctor's appointment. I was just calling to like let you know that we've decided to trade you to the Philadelphia Eagles. And, you know, we're just super grateful for what you did for us and just wanted to kind of make sure it's okay. What? And I said, uh, oh, okay. Um, thank you for everything. Not knowing what to say because I'm in shock.

Yeah. And so I hang up the phone. I'm just like, my first thing was like, let's go. I'm going to the Philadelphia Eagles I just won the Super Bowl last year Like, you know, our record Detroit wise is Crap anyway

I'm gonna go over there Ball out get paid again Let's go But then as I think about it Damn dude I gotta be on a plane tonight I gotta go figure out I'm aware tonight

I gotta hop on a plane To do a presser I got to dive right into the playbook I gotta figure out where I'm gonna live I gotta pack up this house this house. I got to learn a whole new offense. I got to learn my teammates. I got to learn how to get to the facility, how to get to Lincoln Financial. This is overwhelming. And I don't even get a chance to say bye. Like, I don't get to go into the locker room and say, staff and

Kenny and Joke and all the homies. I'm like, bro, they just traded me. And so I did do this. I did drop my own trade. I dropped it myself. Not, you know, Shepter didn't get the, he didn't get you. I It's been real Detroit flag was fly or something like that. But, you know, I went from excited to like, dang, what's really about to happen now? Like, I've been here for four and a half years. I thought maybe I was going to spend the rest of my career here. And yeah, we're dog shit right now record-wise, but these are my boys. And I'm just brand new.

Just like, bye. Tomorrow you're in, you know, you're in a pressure tonight. Tomorrow you're getting your playbook. You're doing your physicals. And then boom. It was just like it was over. It was over. So like, I remember just being like, man, how do you guys do this?

And then even like, I got, I got lucky because they play the London game that Sunday. And so they had the week off, right? So I got the biweek right then and there, which was nice. So I got more time to study. Did the lines already have a by week? Yes, I got two by weeks. Nice. That is a big dump.

I think, yeah. And so, you know, and so I get on, I get on, I get on. I get the playbook and now I'm like, all right, here we go. Never dealt with this before because I've been four years of Detroit. Sorry, four years with Seattle and then four and a half with Detroit. That's all. I hadn't had to bounce around and do that mid-season jump. Man, it is so hard because the show has to go off.

Like, it's not like you get to run these reps over and over. It's not like your starting quarterback wants to stay after practice in middle of the season and just keep banging balls just so you can get the feel. And so it's like I had to try to figure it out. No chance to really process emotions either. No. Show goes on. Yeah.

Right. And then so it was, it was just a lot. It was a lot. It was a lot. I mean, to put it in like terms of like other jobs, like can you imagine just showing up, you know, we'll just use us showing up here. This is where the studio is. This is where you guys do it.

And then tomorrow someone tells you, hey, thank you for everything. We're shipping you guys. off to Wisconsin to do the show and you'll figure it out and thank you just just boom like that and you're working tomorrow yeah it's going to be hard to get guests in Wisconsin call call Gary Gary we'll fly out to Wisconsin we're going we appreciate everything you've done yeah we're going we just traded you to the pivot you got to press her tonight you'll be all in hand all hands on deck tomorrow did you ask the gym what you what they got for you no because I feel like that's where kind of the ego can kind of rest me.

Like, okay, they got a third for me. That's solid. They got a conditional third, I think. What is it conditional third? I don't know. I guess if you play X amount of snaps or produce X amount, you get it. And if you don't, you don't. I didn't look into it.

My plate was full. I had like a 10-month-old, my daughter, my first born, and then my wife was pregnant with our second. And so it was just a lot. I was trying to just get by day-to-day. Yeah. What was the process like for your family? Did they stay in Detroit and then you went to finish out the season in Philly?

My wife is a psycho. And I mean that in the best way possible. My wife with a 10-month-old and, I don't know, seven months pregnant, packed up that whole house in Detroit. And we put all of our stuff in storage, shipped whatever we want to ship. That is nuts, man. To Philadelphia. That's like, fucking wild.

And, like, she's a superhero. I couldn't, like, that was just my life saw. looked at her like first time dealing with it like just that's just what people do but now that i got three kids i've seen bunch of people be pregnant like wives like disappear for like a bunch of years when they're having kids yeah my wife was still on planes my wife was still coming to games my wife was packing up the house no she was still like you know she was probably like couldn't sleep at night because she can't even move but she was still getting it done and i was like i did not appreciate her where I should have back then.

And so I don't think any of us really appreciate that type of stuff because we're also self-absorbed in our career of the NFL. Oh, yeah. Like it's the dream we've had since we were little. We're living our career. We think everything around our world, relationships, everything should kind of be catered around us because we get to play in the NFL. But when you get out of it and you're around motherhood and being a parent and trying to

be intentional, you see all the shit that goes into it to where it's like you, you end up having a different appreciation for it because you're so consumed by. the career when you're in it and then when you get out of it you kind of it's like a completely different perspective oh yeah yeah i mean you you didn't have kids still after the NFL but like you really is that like you're so absorbed and what you have going on in your own life that a lot of times it's like i love to do this honey but i have to go train for x y and zo i have to go to practice i have to stay up late and watch this film and those types of things and a lot of in a lot of ways your kids when they're that young take a back seat because of how much you're

involved and yeah because it doesn't last forever it's got to be you know you've got to make the most of it yeah because when it's over i mean there's nothing worse than sitting back i'm assuming sitting back and like looking at your career and being like i wish i did more yeah you know i wish i was more involved or took it more seriously or any of that stuff because there's a lot of guys out there that still can't get over the fact that they're not in the league anymore yeah not sure breaking news frank ragnow of the lions has officially retired no sure frank wow minutes ago he posted on Instagram so he's he's done no shit

yeah let's get around a pause for frank Frank hell of a career Frankie yeah out of Arkansas right yeah I don't know where he was yeah because he was drafted when I was there I play with Frank yeah because he's had

he's kind of had some injuries yeah hell of a player he's a beast dog he is a hell of a player he was on bust with the boys early during COVID times yeah I need to get him back on gotta get him back on yeah lots of free time

Yeah, I've tried to convince myself that I'm feeling good, but I'm not. And it's time to prioritize my health and my family's future. Good for him. Team everything. Damn. That had to have been tough, bro. Had to. Because I know when we were there last year in camp, he was dealing with a couple of things.

Yeah. Then he got hurt early in the year. He's had foot stuff going on, which feet. Yeah. It's so, dude. You get a big toe, ouchy. I got, I got arthritis in both of my big toes, dude. No shit.

Yes. I think it's a big, like, skill position thing. Yeah. I mean, getting tackled from by. behind because no one can catch me. And like just being tackled and you're just, it's always like this. It's over and over.

And so like, I got arthritis. I got like permanent turf toe probably. I get up every morning. I'm like, I have to pop it and stuff. Like, no shit. Is it pain every single morning? Every single morning.

But like that's what football is. Like that's all I know. Like on days I, on days that I feel good, I'm like, I'm not doing something right. Yeah. And it's kind of messed up. And so like, I don't even know what it feels like to feel good every day. There's a weird thing.

There was a weird thing for me, at least. I don't know if you feel this way. But when I would get to camp, it's the best I felt off of the year, right? You get over the off season. You get in really good shape. You got yourself a nice tan. The body feels fantastic. You're in great conditioning safe.

You do the conditioning test. And then the first couple of days of practice, you just feel off because you feel too good. And then once I would like feel like shit a little bit, get a little more grumpy, a little more sleep deprived. That's when I was like. okay, now I'm in football. Now I can get that callous going a little bit. The headache starting to go away.

But the rest of my shoulder hurts a little bit when I wake up. Knees hurting and this is hurting. That's when I feel like, okay, now I can operate as a football player. Yeah. Especially when my legs got heavy. When my legs got heavy as a guy, this is what football feels like. Right. Yeah. The first two days, I'm excited to go to 707 and one-on-ones.

I'm like a gazelle bouncing around. And then day three hits, I'm like, shit. It's really that first week of pads. Yes. That first week, but you can get, once you get through that, it's like, okay, I'm ready. Kay, I'm starting to feel like not just. And the next one is too, just wearing a helmet around and running around. Yeah, because really that, dude, you, your brain, your head forgets wearing a helmet, those six months.

You'll be training all off season. Right. Right. I'm like, oh, I'm trying. I'm putting all the turns and everything. The towels. Yeah, yeah. That, yeah, always.

But as soon as you get like a weekend, you're like, all right, I feel solid. Being a little bit hurts kind of like the way you know you're ready. Yeah. It's a part of it. Who was a receiver that you coming up, like you wanted to mimic your game after? I have three. Because you're like a scrappy, tough, fast.

You're like all the stuff. Not too tall, not, you know. Like when I watch... Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?

We created our own podcast called... Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. Starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What your game, it reminds me of a lot of like a Pierre Garsohn, like a very physical receiver. Yeah. Like a young Wilcompton in high school, all state. Yeah, yeah. Young Wilcompton. Pulling away.

The best way to put it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best way to put it. I was, look, Percy Harvin, I just loved his game. I mean, he was only a little bit older than me, but then you went to Heinz Ward and Steve Smith. I knew those dudes, those dudes weren't giants, but they were tough as nails. And they were going to be out there on the field and they were going to make, like, unless you met those guys, you would have thought they were like 6-1, 6-2.

They played bigger than their size. And I knew, like, look, I don't have like the 4-2 speed. I'm fast, but not fast like that. I'm not 6'1 with, you know, this wing span of 6.5 feet. And so I just kind of had to like find my way. And my way was going to be like, I'm going to catch anything that comes my way. Contested wide open, I'm going to catch the ball. And once I get the ball, I am no longer a receiver.

I am a running back. And so I'm going to treat like my first catch, my last catch. I'm going to treat them all like they're my last catch. Like I'm trying to score every single time I touch the ball. I didn't go out of bounds until, you know, I got the Giants when we're like two and a hundred. Till when business made most sense, you know, they're dead in. Yeah, it's not doing anything. So, like, I just, I played the game.

Like, man, I got to, I got to separate myself. And I've always been a person. Like, how do you separate yourself from everybody else who's doing? And to me, breaking tackles, yards after the catch, that was my thing. When you, how did you become, get to that realization? being that aware of yourself and who you were as a player because a lot of kids when they're in high school they feel like they're the tallest, the strongest, the fastest. And even if it's delusional, they still feel that way. What was like a realization for you? Be like, this is how I need to operate

to be this successful. It never was a, I never realized that. I just showed up every day trying to like every single time I just touched the ball, try to score with it. And I was always, I always looked at angles. Like I knew like I was not probably going to just outrun someone on the football field holding the ball. So I would look for angles. I tried to find angles. And then I just kind of mastered that, I would say. I had, I took a lot of pride in my lower body strength. I knew that I needed to try my best not to get tackled by one guy ever. It need to take three, four guys. And I also look, AJ, you know, AJ Brown and, or AJ Green and, and Julio, those guys can go down the field and make those plays. But I can get there. But I can get there.

by you throw me a higher percentage pass, and I'll figure my way to get to the same destination and make it probably look a little bit cooler, you know, making guys miss and breaking tackle. So that was just kind of my game and just, I never really even thought about it. I was just always looking for what's next. What is more?

Like in high school, it was like, all right, I'm playing high school. Can I play college? All right, well, how the opportunity to play college? Well, when I'm now playing college, can I win the high asman or get the bullet in the call? which I ended up getting the Blitnikoff, the only one in Notre Dame history so far. Okay, well, I did that.

Well, now can I play NFL football? Yes, I'm drafting the second round. Okay. Can I help my team win a Super Bowl? Can I go to the Pro Bowls? Can I be known, you know, make myself a household name? I had an opportunity to do all of those things. And so I just kept trying to find out, what's next?

What's next? What's next? All right, can I play a decade? Yeah, play the decade. All right, well, can I get to 15 years? Well, I got to 11 and, you know, that was kind of it. But I was always fighting for something. I want it more.

What was it like playing in Seattle? I mean, you played on a fucking loaded roster. Loaded roster. Legion of Boom, man. Seattle was so much fun, man. Being a young kid out of Notre Dame out of the Midwest, being shipped to the Pacific Northwest. Didn't even know where it was on the map and getting there having Pete Carroll who just left SC

and like just a fun players coach. Everything's competitive. That's what I am. Competitive. I'm talking about, we're working up in the morning in meetings, having free throw contests in auditorium. Everything is competition. I loved it.

We're having special guests like Will Ferrell come to us. Rob Riggler, or wherever his name is. Rob Riggle. Rob Riggle, who's pow. Jay Rice coming. I mean, just having all these people come in. The tech boom is in the middle of the tech boom. Microsoft and Costco and all these Twitter and all these.

These people are in Seattle. They love their sports. They absolutely love their sports. I don't care if it was baseball or a football game. They're sold out. And so I was there at a great time. And so being a part of the one and only Super Bowl that they won was special. And then like the personnel we had, dude, come on.

The personality, Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Chris Clemens, Red Bryant, Bobby Wagner, KJ, KJ, Wright, Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett. Yeah, Michael Bennett.

Brandon Browner. Then in an offense union, you had me, Russell, angry Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Curse, Sean Lynch. Mark Money Lynch.

I mean, we had a time every time we stepped on the field and then we even, we enjoyed it afterwards, bro. I mean,

to my coach, Coach Carroll is always, hey, don't make shit up. whatever your routine is do it and my routine i was going out every friday night period and if i didn't go out i felt like i was going to have a bad game no shit yes go out get sauced friday night before a game on sunday go out get sauce so so bad that i'm showing up to the the next day walk through and i can still i can smell it for one and i'm still i'm still a little bit shaky but i'm young

I'm young. I can bounce back. I'm young. So, you know, me and my girlfriend at the time, my wife now, we were, we're getting after, but we're getting after. We're not making anything up, Coach Carroll. Then go out there, ball out on a Sunday, Sunday night. We're going out to celebrate. My God. Yeah. But I was young.

I couldn't do it now or, you know, I couldn't do it, you know, three, four years ago. It took me five days just to feel decent. Yeah. I mean, bro, like that's, yeah. that time in Seattle, Pete Carroll, every person I've ever talked to about Pete is like one of the best coaches they've ever had. The most fun coaches to be around. We had Clay on.

He was talking about it. I went to a junior camp at USC. And I was, I met him. I loved USC. I was all about it. Went to shake his hand. Slaps my hand out of the way.

It gives me a big hug. The minute he hugged me, I was like, offer me for the love of God. I swear to God I'll commit right now. Yes, dude. And they didn't. But it was like just being around that guy for a short amount of time.

and then hearing everybody talk about him the way he is, he has to be maybe number one. Do you think he'll be successful in the Raiders? They'll be better than it had been, for sure. Without a doubt, it's just, man, look, what you got to go against, you've got to go against some Hall of Fame coaches and players. Yeah. You've got to see O'Andy and Pat twice a year.

Harbaugh has turned that place around two. Herbert's a good quarterback. Right. Sean Payton. Payton and Bo Knicks. Bo Nicks. You know, they, they come in. And so it ain't like it when you were in Seattle.

You know, we had the 49ers deal with, and the other two teams were kind of whatever, you know, whatever. Man, that whole division is strong. Yeah. And by the way, you're in Las Vegas. Yeah. You're in Las Vegas. A 22-year-old, you just gave a 50 bag to.

Would you have survived in Vegas if that's where you got drafted? I mean, it sounds like no. No, Friday and Sunday. I'm the same way. I wouldn't have made it. I'm so grateful that God put me in Seattle where there was something to do, there was enough to do. Like I would have gone crazy going to like Appleton, Wisconsin or something like that.

I mean, what's the difference between that in South Bend, Indiana? Well, I was, you know, there's not much. But I didn't have no money back there. True. I had no money. And you had a whole school full of people that loved you. Appleton, you know, I wouldn't, I would have been, I would have more money because I had no where to spend it. Yeah.

Steak restaurant, that's about it. Or maybe some bootragging and some talking about it. So I'm grateful that I went to Seattle when I went there because if I don't went to New York or probably even Arizona or Vegas, like I said, I didn't have Vegas back then. It would have been some issues probably. I mean, even here, dude. Yeah.

I'm from here too. Yeah. Dude, getting drafted here and then learning about Broadway. And then I didn't really know about Tennessee. And then I got drafted by Tennessee. Then everyone I knew was a massive fan of coming to Tennessee apparently. just being down on Broadway the first six months. It's just like,

yo, this is a magical place. Yes. This is unbelievable. Just get shitfaced. People are so proud of you for throwing up in the alley and not in the bar. Good for you,

man. You're a real pro at this, aren't you? I remember being hammered by the first Fourth of July and they had this big party going on and I'm stumbling behind, like where the Ryman is, stumbling behind those first set of bars.

And behind this, I don't think it was Tutsis. So dude, But he goes, hey, you're Taylor Leone, right? I was like, kind of like, I was like, hey, he goes, Kid Rock's up here about to do a little concert if you want to come up. So I like stumble my way up there. I'm sitting there watching fucking the American badass get after it.

Hammered on Fourth of July. I'm like, how can you fucking go anywhere else? I feel so American being hammered. Right. On Buddy Lights watching Kid Rock. I mean, on Fourth of July. Can you beat it? Can you paint a better picture?

No, you can. No, you can. It's fucking unbelievable. Unbelievable. You ever go to Printers Alley when it was? Yeah, a couple times. Yeah, I used to go there growing up. Used to hang out at, I was a DeMumbrum guy.

Yeah. Like, I used to go to Tin Roof. I come back after college early in my years, and I stayed at, it was called the Rhythm. It was like the condo literally right next to 10. He's like a 505 now. Yeah, I don't know what it is now, but I remember them trying to sell me this 805 square foot place for like 370,000. $5,000. I was like, nope, not happening. Now, look back, I wish

I would have done it. But I remember I rented it for a little bit. I used to look down to tin roof on a Wednesday, Thursday, Monday, didn't matter. Okay, I see a few homies out there. I go on down. Go up, have a few I don't know. Let's see, I was doing vodka and

cranberries back then. Nice. I go up. Bound a few of those on a Monday. See what happens. Go down to the next bar. Maybe even go over to Midtown to Winners, Losers. Losers is my spot, yeah. I love losers. Is that where the bushwhackers are?

Bushwhackers are there? Yep. They have the bushwhackers there, but I think another place in Domain does the bushwhackers as well. Can't remember right now. But yes, losers has it.

Go on to Varago's. Varago. Varago. Yes. Get the little steak on the hot rock. Yes. You're really living. You're really living

when you come to a place like this. Those were the days. And you think about those guys in Wisconsin. And you're just like, man, The fuck do they do up there? What are you doing?

I know. Well, I remember almost getting drafted by the Lions thinking to myself, please God don't take me. Because the Lions were just historically bad that are the lines with no one love now. But I spent four years in Michigan. Yeah. I was ready to get out and see the rest of the world. Yeah.

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within 14 days and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply, that's money, that's cash up. Let's get back to the episode. Were you surprised you were a second round pick, being a Blitnikoff winner, first one at a prestigious Blue Chip University like Notre Dame? You know, I believed in myself, and I thought at that time I should have been a first rounder,

but I knew everyone was Mel Kiper, and all those guys were saying, hey, he's a late first round, early second. So I thought somewhere between 28 and I guess 38 was my sweet spot where I felt like I was willing to bet whatever I was going to go there. And the reason was because, well, they had said that for one. And two, Kansas City Chiefs had two picks in the first like six or seven picks of the second round. That's where Charlie Weiss went. Literally, we left the same time.

He got fired. He went to Kansas City. And I had a meeting with them. And they were telling me, he was telling me, hey, I'm going to make a push to get you. I'm going to get past day one. I'm not, no biggie. I'm going to first six, seven, eight picks. Day two, we're going to get this thing, party started.

And they picked Dexter McCluster from Ole Miss. And it was like a slap in my face because, I mean, we're similar enough players, right? I mean, he's a smaller guy, you know, receiver kind of hybrid. And they went with Dexter McCluster. And I was like, what? And the actual just happened. And so I sit there thinking I'm going to first eight picks. And I sit, I went 60th overall.

And so that's like the majority of the second round. And I'm just sitting over at the Millennium Hotel or whatever we were. And I'm just like, all my homies around, you know, everyone's like looking around like, thankfully I didn't get a prank call like Shreder Sanders did because I'd been lost my stuff. And finally I get this call. I don't know. It's either 405 or 205 or 425 or 206 number. And I'm like, who is this?

Telemarketer or something. And they call me and he's like, hey, Golden, this is Pete Carroll. I'm like, but don't you coach at USC? I didn't even know he accepted the job at this point. And I, you know, I just, I remember you torching us and tearing us up. And I figure I don't want to go against you anymore. I want you on our team. And so we're going to take you with our next.

pick and I'm like, oh, this is awesome. Where is Washington? Is that D.C.? No, Washington State. Oh, way over there. The farthest way we can get away from home is that's where you're going. But, you know, they took a chance on me, and it was the best thing that could ever happen. If I can do it all over again, I will go exactly where I went, at the exact position I went, and wouldn't change the thing. What happened when your contract came up with? with Seattle and you go on a free agency and sign with Detroit. Like were you dealing with Seattle? Did they offer you?

Why do you feel like it didn't work out for like a second deal with them? They gave me a deal that was some BS. A laughable deal is what I called it back then. But this is my first time going through it. I never even heard what the deal was. It's just my agent was like, yeah, I'm not even going to waste your time with this. And we said no. and then Detroit comes in and offers like a five for 34, 36.

I was like, yeah, let's do it. They got Matthew Stafford, who's a heck of a player. They got Megatron who's, so I'm going to get fed. I'm going to be seeing twos and threes, you know, cornerbacks where he's getting double and triple covered. I'm going to just sit on the backside and eat them apart, which is what happened. But ultimately, going back to the Seattle thing, they had just paid Percy Harvin. They gave him a 60 bag.

that same for agency the one before and it was on my mind like man you're really going to pay this dude like we're similar enough like somebody he looked up to before right right and you know he's explosive fast quick all the same time

like I've seen guys who have two or three but he was fast quick and explosive and I was like it was just like fun watching him but he only played like two games that season and so then I'm like all right well maybe they're going to go ahead and pay him because he's injury prone and blah blah, blah, all over the same people.

And they chose him over me ultimately. And so I go my separate way and they end up cutting him or trading him away the second year of his contract. No shit. Yeah. Dude, was he an issue in the locker room? I've heard different stories. And a matter of fact, he told a story on what is the guy?

What is the show? I hate. With the pool table? Yeah, bleach report. Master. Shout out the boy, Master. But he was talking about you guys getting in like an altercation. I want to say we had Geron Johnson.

on our team in Washington. Yeah, yeah. He spoke about it vaguely, but it sounded like something happened either the week or the day before the Super Bowl with you and Percy. Yes, yes.

Let's get into the juiciness, boys. Let me readjust this mic. You're real comfortable. Should I be adjust too, then? Yeah, come on. Let me go. All right, so first off, Percy's a different guy, okay?

He's a different guy, and something goes off in his mind, and once he makes his decision, ain't no going back. So as long as you're still on his good side, you're chilling. He's awesome. But the moment you get on his back side, there's no getting back to the other side. And so going to the Super Bowl, we get to a Super Bowl, and you know, you get all the media

and they're asking these questions. And they ask all of us, the receivers, and they ask me and say, hey, so what does it mean to have Percy Harvinbat? Or some along that lines that's like, you know what? I love Percy's game. I think he's awesome. But the truth of the matter, we haven't had Percy the end. entire year and we've made it this far. We can't wait to get him out there because he's definitely

going to make us even better. But look, we've done it without him. We're fine. And at some point, he read the article, someone read the article and told him the bullet points and he took huge offense to it. And at the time, I didn't know this. So we show up on a Saturday before the game on Sunday. And I'm just saying, the day before. Yes, bro. And I'm just saying, what's up, Percy? What's up, Sid, all my homies, and Percy just kind of got this look on it. He's just got this look like, like, I'm just not having a good day. I'm like, bro, you good? He said, I'm cool.

I'm cool. Just give me some time. All right, so we go through meetings and, you know, walkthroughs or whatever it is. And then I go to my, hey, Percy, bro, I have no clue. Percy, you straight, bro? Like, we got the biggest game of our life tomorrow. Like, listen, you good? Can I, can I help you?

Like, you want to talk? No, bro. I'm not feeling it. All right. So now I'm starting to ask like, dude, what, what is going on with Percy? Like, is he straight? I go to talk to Sidney Rice, who's his boy from Minnesota. They're like best friends, best he's C.C. boys.

And, you know, he kind of tells him like, hey, there's some article out that he read, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I don't even have time to go look it up. So finally, I go back up to Percy. He's sitting, he's sitting just like this in front of his locker. And I get, like, low to the ground like this, like, hey, Percy, bro. Like, what's going on? Like, let's just chop it up, talk to it. He's like, bro.

And he says, if you don't get the fuck up my face, and I just said, all right, fuck it. And I just turn around and start walking other way. Next thing you know, boom, he tackles me from behind. And I guess apparently I end up

in a clothes hammer, but I don't know, but he taxed me from behind. Like the equipment bin? Yeah, like, yeah. Well, I got jocks, got jogs, I'm working in the shit. He tackles me, and his head is like right here. And I don't even know what's going on, but I landed on my shoulder, jacked up my neck.

And I just got him here. And I just started trying to punch him. I don't know if I punched him or connected or anything at all. But I was kind of holding them. They pulled us apart. Pete Carroll, Josh Snyder, the GM talked to me, like, what happened? And so I tell him, like, what happened? And, you know, they deemed that I'm not the issue.

they separate us and we go to separate ways that day. We show up the next morning for the Super Bowl and Percy acts like nothing had ever even happened. No shit. What's up, GT? Like, how you doing, brother? You had to get him like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just do this.

I'm not about to do this here right now. It's the biggest game of my life. And so we play the game. You know, he takes one to the house. We blow Denver out the wall. We go get after it. And right after the game, he's just like, GT, I love you, bro.

Like, my bad. You know, I love you. Just acting like nothing happened. Like, I'm like, we go at that. We have a conversation. I don't have to be a day, but we got to have a conversation at some point, big dog.

And so. Because you probably want to tell him like, hey, I didn't mean it like that. I'm sorry if it came off that way. No, at this point, you didn't tackle me and beat me ever. I'm like, I'm not going to sugarcoat bullshit. Now, I'm like, brother, I'm just going to keep it a buck at this point. The being civil part was like,

lead it up to that. Now I might be like, bro, what was, what's happening? But anyway, so we go through that whole part. We, I'm just like, not controversial. So I'm like, all right, whatever, like, but something ain't right. We go, I go to Detroit. We go to Seattle. We meet at the White House. Again, what's up? Golden Lake, man, miss you, bro. Like, we miss you out here, bro. I ain't the same without you. I'm just like, yeah. And I go my separate way. And then referring to what, Mastro, what's his name, with the pool table that he was on? Oh, yeah, the, yeah, master. Whatever it is, whatever.

So then I hear about, yeah, so then I hear about that. And then it's all about, like, he paints a picture of, like, there was jealousy involved with him. And I was like, not even a little bit, Bob. Like, I can't imagine having to deal with he had to deal with, like, you know, the being hurt all the time and the migraines. Like, there's no jealousy there. I was happy with what happened with me and how I, you know, ended up. and so that was kind of that and I haven't spoken to

Percy since then and I haven't heard his name mentioned by any of our buddies like I don't know how he's doing I hope he's doing okay but that's kind of what happened and it was like dang that's nuts

the day before the Super Bowl fucking tabos like hey what the fuck are we doing what is happening right now like what? And so that's kind of that's what happened so you never thought to like

hey I might as well call this guy after I'm sure at this point you're like He tackled me at the ground. I don't want to fucking talk to it. Yeah, it's like, man, I got enough going on. I just got, I ain't got the bag. I'm moved on. Like, if you really want to talk, like, call me and we can talk.

But at the same time, like, I'm not one that's about to be, like, show it to him. But, like, what's happening? Like, I ain't forgot what you did last summer. Yeah. I'm saying. Like, I ain't about the, I'm just like, whatever, man. I got my bag. I got my ring.

You got, you know, you got your bag. Whatever. We all, everybody knows something. You can tell you're like. Right, right. Yeah, you're taking the high road right now, but there's still a piece of you. It's like, fuck that. Yeah, I still got neckie.

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Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the first.

podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Now, you do have a story out there where you do come out like of what's happening with Jalen Ramsey. Like Twitter going back and forth. I know he's engaged with your personal life and everything else. What's the, because you guys had the game in October where you guys are scrapping it. Wasn't that pregame? Was that pregame? Was that after the game? It was during the game. It was after the game. He was out there ready to go. And I was with the smoke too. He ended up getting fined. I didn't get fine. But man, that was a heated battle. And so like just

saw you guys have a backstory. Like him and my one of my twin sisters have two children together. They went to the same high school. And we have two beautiful, beautiful, beautiful nieces, Brooklyn. and Breeland and they were together. Now, things happened within that relationship where I don't think, I don't think my sister was done

or treated the way she should have been treated. And when that happens, you've got to come see. You got to come see a big bro. Right? Yeah. And so I think I might have like

made it public like, you know he's going to have to see me at some point. But it wasn't to the point where I was about to like, like fight him on the field or anything. And so I guess he took that personal we get to...

So, all on, you said you said somewhere that he's gonna have to see me at some point. Yeah. So that was a public, that was a public statement that you made. Yeah, I can't remember if I tweeted or if I said in an interview, but I let him know, like, you got to see me at some point.

Now, it could be we scrapping or we can talk this out like two men, but I'm gonna be ready for whatever happens. Yeah. And so he took that and, you know, the media ran with it, like the big matchup. Yeah. Because he tweeted about the matchup, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, we get to the game. And I'm like, I really don't know what's about to happen, but I got it, I got everything locked in the chamber. I got in this one, I got all the verbal fights I need to have. And this one, I'm ready.

I already got it and YouTube a few kickboxing and karate videos. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm then watch Kill Bill a few times. We're good. But anyway, so we get out there and right away, like, first one, he's like overly jamming me. And I'm like, okay.

That's how we're going to do. We're going to do. So, all right, I ain't cut block somebody in a minute. I don't even like the block like that. But I end up trying to cut his knees out, like, within the game, completely legal. Yeah, y'all just, and then I'm cutting him and he's mushing my head into the dirt. But, like, at the same time, like, I'm mentally prepared. Like, whatever I do, I cannot cost my team a penalty or cost myself any money.

So that's in my back pocket. I'm not going to do that because that's selfish. Yeah. But I'm in his face. I'm talking my mess. He's talking his mess. He's doing a little bit extra. Freaking knucklehead didn't block on this play right here that we're watching.

And got me absolutely. Look at this. That's a bad luck right there. You know, oh, that's a tax look, you know, bro.

Oh, my gosh. Because you got two physical players going at it. It feels personal. It's all this stuff. It's all building up. Look at the ground, bro. Who is that? Uh, uh.

Is that Dion Lewis? Yes. Oh, no. The Dion! Yes, bro. It's a screen. guy too. Mine, he,

he know, he know we got the, like the beef. When you hit the ground, are you just saying, fuck. This motherfucker. I'm a damn postcard.

I'm gonna be on a billboard. That's a, that's a photo. I'm gonna be on a billboard. And it didn't hurt. It wasn't even that bad of a hit. It's just the optics of it. It means lifting me,

bruh. No, that's it, that's a get. And it wasn't even my fault. We all get got. We all get got. But that situation,

because of what you just told us, that fucking sucks. Bro, I got got. And so, you know, I'm thinking like that's what we're going to deal with. And then after the game, the game ends, you know, I run up there to like to like inspecting what's going to happen. And he come find me and I see I pop out because you know, you know, you know, will sucker punch me, period.

So I go, I'm seeing where he at. Unless you're Percy Harvin. Yeah. Yeah. And so I run, I went right up to him. My helmet on and he swings. He swings, but I knew he's going to swing. So I duck and I went to dump them.

And then that's thing, you know, you had everybody on us. And so they separated us. and then... Because everybody's probably watching both of you the whole time. Oh, yeah. Everybody was about to happen. Before the game, in the locker room,

your team, it's like, hey, we got you. Yeah, I had homies, like, GT, I'm with you, I'm wrong with you, bro. Like, look, I'm gonna be ready. I'm ready at all times. I'm sure he had his folks, like, hey, Jay, it's going to happen. So, you know, there's a lot to peel back

in this relationship, but at the end of the day, like, I have two amazing, like, nieces that I'm not, I don't, I don't want them to be drugged into this. And so I think we both have, we haven't talked, but I think we both have kind of just kind of agreed to like not be knuckleheads

for the betterment of his daughters and his and my nieces. And so that's kind of where we stand. But I did. Oh, my gosh. He played a true board last week. Pulled up. And like so, and obviously my community knows what kind of happened. And like they're letting me know, like, hey, by the way, Jalen's coming, coming up,

uh, Cam Fordham's hosting them. And I'm like, we'll be ready for whatever. And so it's that night. And there hadn't been any communications. None. No communication at all. None. At this point, it's nighttime.

And you must play it all day. And I'm, we're me and my kids are about to leave and I'm holding the door. And the only person there, there goes Jalen. And he walks up to me and he said, what's up, Gene? I just looked at him like, what's up, man? I'm like, it's like, I'm shaking your hand because, you know, I'm not that guy, but what's, what's up? Like, what's happening?

And he was like, he said, you got a spot out here? I said, yeah, I got like four of them. He said, oh, that's cool, that's cool. And then he was just like, we're gonna talk sometime. He said, we're gonna talk. And I said, yeah, we should. Yeah, we should. Actually, I'll put a little bit more base in my if I said, yeah, we should.

Yeah, we should. And then that was kind of that. And, you know, we haven't had a conversation. We probably should have a conversation, but, you know, in this case, I don't really think I did anything wrong, you know. I didn't do him wrong. I feel like he did my sister's, sister's wrong. Now, I will say this.

I will say this because I like to find the good in people. I do think he has grown as a man. I know that I've grown as a man. I know I made mistakes as a young and as well. I do think he's gotten better. And so I do provide grace in that area. But that's still baby sis, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you got to, I understand completely why you went, got into that position. 100%. I'm sure I can understand why he got his position, his story, his narrative,

all that and how you guys ended up getting there. Yeah. I would have loved to be at that door. When you guys had to have to just, you would be walking a bit, oh shit. I would just take a couple steps back, but I cannot wait to watch this.

I look back in the home. I was like, Jayla, what's up? Good to see you, man. How are we doing? You all right? I was just like. Yeah, y'all should talk. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just quiet. Want to have a drink? Want to come on in and have a drink? Let's just hash us out. Oh, my God. At the country club. Well, dude, I'm glad. I can't wait to hear you guys have that conversation or hear how that conversation goes.

We know we got to get you out here. Get a hard out. Budlight question? Oh, we could. Gosh, I feel like I want to ask. I know. Well, I feel that we can do this. sounds like based on his

gambling experiences, you're going to be back to do the locker room at least once this fall. I mean, I'm only down the road. It's only 35 minutes with no traffic's 33 minutes, so it's too easy. No, boys.

We have an absolute arsenal. I probably just follow everything he does. Oh, yeah. Because he seems like he's about it. The first round, you never know. Yeah, yeah. He's talking about you got to make money

in this business is how you do it. We'll have a couple parlay so you don't have to jump on. Oh, he'll ride the parlay. He'll ride the parlets. He'll ride the parlets. He'll laugh. at us no hits no no no no I just you know the parlays would be like a $50 barlay yeah yeah yeah but then all if I believe in those other legs those those other legs will be hammered yeah yeah

yeah so the parley won't matter too much you'll solo all the parlets yeah around robin them but like question so everybody knows on this earth anyone would do anything for a bud light our question for you is what is anything what would you do anything for can't say family go back and change something dang something about your future Maybe it's a pickleball championship. Done that already. You got a championship? See, that's something I want to ask about.

Man, I would say, if I could redo it, I would give baseball a shot too. Like, I was drafted in baseball twice at a high school. Insane. Yeah. Thank you. At a high school and then also during my rookie season or after my rookie season by the team

and ended up winning the World Series, by the way. The San Francisco Giants won it that year. I remember thinking like, damn, man, I'm over here playing football. Could I have me a ring? Little did I know. I was going to get mine a few years later. But I would give baseball a shot. And I'd probably do anything to go through that grind.

You know, I'm happy with how life ended up. But it's always that what if, like, what if I would have played baseball? Like, what I made it to the majors? What would have been my journey? What, you know, who would I would have met? You don't know. but it's always like curious. I'm always curious like what, how would have happened?

So I would do that, I'm saying. I love it. What about like what rounds were you drafted in? I think the first time I found out through MySpace actually that I was drafted in the 42nd round. How many rounds are there? Back then it was 52 or 50. That's just crazy. What was a signing bonus for a 52nd rounder from the Arizona Diamondbacks?

Man, maybe a plane ticket. Yeah. Yeah, some Cracker Jacks and a pack of chewing gum. But see, they knew that I was going to Notre Dame to play baseball and football. And then, you know, my rights have, I guess, been giving up over those next three to four years. And so they, someone else drafted me just so they could have the rights, just in case. Like, not that, I mean, but I was told that if I would have played baseball, I would have been a top 11 round pick because baseball drafts purely on, like,

like potential. They could baseball, they feel like they can teach you a lot of the things, especially hitting for me, which is probably the weakest thing for me. Like I can hit, but I couldn't hit curveballs and you can probably teach someone that, but what you couldn't teach, you couldn't teach my speed. You couldn't teach my explosiveness, right? And so that's kind of how they drafted. What position did you play?

Anywhere in the outfield. Got the range. Yeah. And like I'd never, I played baseball because it was fun. Like I never trained. I didn't go to camps. I played AAU, but I didn't really put in time. Like, I didn't work on all the arm exercises, and I didn't sit in the cage and hit a thousand balls a day.

It was football season to end it. All right, let's go play baseball. And I just go out there, see, ball, hit ball. Did you play baseball at Notre Dame? Yeah. Yeah. Multi-sport athlete, yeah. And you say you want a pickleball championship?

I mean, I've won a few, like, celebrity events and club championships and stuff like that. You take it pretty serious? I do. And actually, it's going to say you got your, brought you guys a gift. Oh, this is for us. Yeah, this is my own, actually, hold on this. My own personal paddle is got the logo that I created, GT,

and that's a backwards three. But it also symbolizes, I'm the third, but also it's, I'm a godly man. The father, the son, the Holy Spirit, all the points. And the sweet spot of the paddle is right there in the middle where you see the cross. And when I'm at my best in life, I'm hitting this sweet spot over and over.

And that's when I'm executing to perfection. So that's what we call life over here for us. And on the other side, you probably can't see it. But at Showtime and the eye is actually me doing a first down move, but I'm holding a pickleball paddle. So thank you, bro. Bro, this is awesome. We've got his own.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Who are some good retired NFL guys or retired athletes that you've came across in this pickleball world? Because it seems like you're pretty good. Yeah. I like to say, and I could be wrong, but I'm like the best, like, ex-athlete pickleball player is like until someone tells me otherwise. In the kitchen, you know, pickleball account will probably confirm that.

But Danny Whirlpool is good. Eric Decker is a lefty that's getting pretty good too. Randall Cobb is on his journey. Both guys, yeah, guys around here. In California, you got a bunch of guys that play. And I think it's one of those sports that's growing. Between, you know, pickleball is a great one, but another one that's fantastic is Padale.

Amazing. Played for the first time this weekend. It is awesome. If you got any athleticism and can move around a little bit in reaction time, that's the game. play that is what is that you pull that up yeah it's like racket ball and pickleball kind of mix yeah you play it off the wall and off the glass you have to play angles it's it's awesome dude and so i've been playing that a lot lately over the place called paddle house what's your search

history talking about over here jane bro what's you doing oh yeah that makes a lot more sense that makes a lot more sense can we talk about something i'm on i'm on busting with the boys and we still getting ads? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotta run a business. Come on, boys. Got to run a business. So they, okay, you can play off the glass and everything like that.

And it's a tennis ball you play with. Pretty much. Less pressure than a tennis ball, but it has to hit the ground first, and then it can hit the chicken wire or the glass. You can play it off of it. But when you hit the ball hard, sometimes it bounces towards a net, which gives your, the defense, an easy slam. And so it's a game of spins, but it is so much fun.

And I believe in give it three or four years, it's going to be the game to play in America. Like, it's already internationally the game. Like, we're the only ones that play pickleball like that. Paddlehouse, too, there's one that's like less than five minutes from here. So we should go sometime. Question. If you hit it and it bounces over the gate, what's the, is it just out now? No point?

No, it's the point. point it's the point who hit it out. Got you. As long as it, you know, hits the ground and then goes out. But you'll see some guys, they'll hit it at an angle and they'll run out of the fence and still hit it. Oh, they're pros, pros. Yeah.

See, this seems like a lot more moving than I think I can do. Yeah, but you're wide. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You'd be good. And then you play, you learn to play angles, man. You know where to go. There it is.

know where to go to like protect yourself and you know but it's it's a dude immediately knew it was going yeah yeah he was aware of the minute I let the paddle these these these are pros these these are big dogs these are the big boys he's me pickleball is more of your triple eight this is when yeah oh yeah this is how the sausage is made right oh yeah oh yeah all right this is a great game I do want to get out and hit a little pickleball one time I've never done it before we got there there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a crew out here we got a crew because these are bringing up Eric Decker, you got Randall Cobb, you got Bach, you got us, you got Clay. Delaney.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You guys really have like a little tournament, like a little tournament at some point. Yeah. Yeah, I just got to learn to play first. I got you. I want to make sure I can operate a little bit before I start. All right.

So here, here, proposition here, here you go. A proposal here. We get a court built in this incredible environment you have here. and then you have me on doing the show and in between the shows we can think around I can teach you the game we'll talk about best bets

when you know you know because y'all need a little color in this bus anyway you know what I'm saying hey you are you are correct you need a little bit of interns you walk in and it's like a lot you're going to bring your boy on

yeah yeah you're a local guy yeah that's why Delaney do so much for us like we need a little more once we go too much of a streak it's like hey Delaney coming in the coming in the bus yeah we got to get you on camera

for the love of God. We got to check some boxes here. Help us out. We could do that. How big is this little area? I think a court size is like 44 by 24, and I could be off by a little bit. It could fit in the driveway.

But you need... But is the driveway flat. It's not flat. Like that side. Yeah, we're going to have to outsource space. I know we are getting it. This crematorium, dude. Oh, is it...

Oh, so, of course, 20 by 44. And then you probably need, like, at least... three to four feet behind and outside so you don't like... Sounds like bust with the boys. He's a move. I know. As we're building more... I know.

We build out, though, because we actually do look. How far is pickleball kingdom away from here? Because that's a good indoor place that it can't be that far away. I mean, it's got to be like 10, 15 minutes. I think you guys really like the competitiveness. I know I'm proud about it. It's like anytime we get spike ball going, it's a blast. It's really one of those things you're just like, do I want to take the time?

Yeah. And it's a good workout, man. Like, you know, we all love a good sweat. Yeah. Like just to sweat out all the ignorant juice that we consume. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. I'll tell you this time a year, too.

Easy to get sweat. Yeah. It's that time. And playing pickleball too. Ain't nobody watching us. Can't nobody tweet about us. Yeah. Being shitty.

There it is. Except for you. Start to create a burner. Just put tail of one. It's going. garbage at pickleball. How does the World Cup's Bulls know this? I mean, that might be like something you could throw into the, um, that

Olympic some way. Hey, that's a good idea. It's a good idea. Like for this level, you just need like painters tape. Yeah. And like a little pop-up,

man that you can get anywhere. I mean, I feel like I'm, I'm an asset to, you know, you're an asset. You're hired. You know, I feel like there's something there, but, you know.

Do you got an agent still? Yeah? You want to talk to us or do you want us to call your agent? I talk to the boys. Okay. Okay. All right, perfect. Love that.

Keep the suits out of it. Yeah. In Olympics. Keep it nice and clean. Boys, let's give Golden Tate a round of applause. Yeah, brother. Dude, thank you, man.

Great episode. Great stories. Great stories. And there's more. I love it. You know. There's more. I know.

I know. I felt we didn't even scratch the surface. I know. But you got to go, right? You got this dumb meeting. Yeah. You got this dumb meeting. dumb-ass meeting.

I'm sure you ain't going to make a bunch of money on whatever this meeting is. Yeah. You got a roll. You know. Yeah, you come back. You know, the first date, I don't give it all up on the first date. Right. You know, got you got one more.

I know you got obviously the hell merry, but do you have, like, do you have some good war stories against the Packers? Because it's almost like we get him in Clay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, Clay was a bad man. And I knew I had to bring it against him because he was going to hit hard and often. But my first, my welcome to the NFL moment was against the Packers.

My rookie season and the preseason, they throw a slant my way and I go to catch it. I don't even know if I called it because he put me, laid me out. I mean, concussion protocol times 10. I was out. No shit. Like you ever get hit so hard or get hit so hard that that fine money, I felt like should have came to me. Yeah. The NFL don't need.

I need that fine money because you messed me up, dog. And so it happened against, I don't even know who it was at this point, but it's my rookie season as my welcome to the NFL moment against the Green Bay Packers. It'd be fun to get him and Clay. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. He had to bring it against me, too. We all know that. That goes without saying.

It was that sense. You had to bring it against me. When the wide receiver talk came up, who he looked up to, your name was mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. Before you even knew me, I knew you. Yeah. point.

The brain and outbrainer a second. Yeah, that was beautiful. All right. Let's get out of here. Episode 331 in the book. Subscribe, unsubscribe,

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