Bussin' With The Boys - Greg Olsen + Taylor Update

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

Recorded: June 22, 2022 | This week Greg Olsen joins Will in the Thompson Hotel & it has been a long time coming. Will and Greg have been beefing ever since 2015 and they finally get to confront each other man to man face to face. Intro (0:00) Shoutout "no free shoutout" Segment (11:00) Taylor Segment (19:30) Tier Talk (25:00) Greg Olsen interview starts (49:50) Greg changed the Walter Payton Award forever (52:20) State of "The U" right now & why he chose Miami (57:00) Being traded from Chicago (1:12:30) Panther culture (1:18:46) Luke Kuechly & Thomas Davis (1:23:00) Playing in Seattle during covid (1:34:00) Partnering with Vince Vaughn & building a media empire (1:44:45) ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - Learn more about the Chevy Silverado at https://barstool.link/ChevyBarstool Georgia Boots: Go to to https://barstool.link/GeorgiaBoot and use code BUSSIN for 20% off Revitalyte: Pick up Revitalyte Black Label today in-stores or online at https://store.barstoolsports.com/products/revitalyte-black-labelFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's not, we're not even 24 hours. We're not even a full day removed from the case race. Just got in. Fortunately, we already did the interview segment with Taylor. We already did the segment with Taylor, so we've gotten some talking out of the way, but it's brutal boys. I finally got a sandwich in my stomach. If you're watching right now, apparently the boys can still see some eyeliner on my eyes from the sting,

the paint. But I was fucking warped last night, boys. And it was one of those nights, like, I was telling you earlier before we got on, it was one of those nights where I feel like I can count on my hand where you drink so much and you, like, don't remember a lot of the night before. And that's how it was.

That's how it was. That's how it's been for me. You're talking about pants being down. I'm like, fuck, I did take my pants off. But I don't remember why. I don't remember Shane and Stephen Chea. Almost, uh, Che. Stephen Chee.

I don't want to mispronounce my guy's name. Uh, we're legit, seem like, about to fight. I'm just sitting there like, how deleting popcorn in the background. Like, I don't even remember the fight thing. like then I just wake up at like 5.30 in the morning. Windows, like the curtains were open. I'm fully clothed and everything else. I thought I missed my flight and shit.

I see it's 5.30. I thank God. Face still painted, fully painted. Oh, it was a grinder. It was a great time, though. Like, that was, it's a good group of dudes. It gets just 10 dudes locked in a room, drinking beer, and being dudes. dudes are rough housing they got the slap wheel did anybody do the slap wheel

it's going it's appearing right now we haven't seen it i don't ever remember i think i might remember one time me like telling like yeah go ahead slap me but i don't know if that's true i don't know if i'm making that up in my head right now it was a good time though a hangover fucking sucks dude um it was a good time though can't believe my pants were off for it seemed like half of it I'm just sitting there. And, you know, it was a maybe not the best moment. Maybe not the best.

Maybe not the best showing for the little guy below the belt. You know what I mean? Oh. You know how you have your good days and bad days. And I would say last night, if we checked the tape, it felt like it was more of a bad day. Big Cat texted me this morning and just talked about how small my cock was or something like that, how small my penis was. Hey, the office is cold, though. Office is cold.

And I will say, like, my guy, my little boy, he gets shy at times. Like, he was shy. He was meeting new people. He was out and about. I was trying to, like, force feed him. I was trying to force him to get out of the box and breathe a little bit. And he's around new people. He was a little shy yesterday.

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That would be a good one. That would be a really good one. But yeah, dude. It's a tough day today. It really is. I almost threw up on the plane. I was getting really nervous about that because where are you doing it at?

Going that little bathroom. Like, I'm the type of guy. if I puke, even if I'm working out, I can't just bend over and puke. Like, I'm getting on my hands and knees. So there's no way that I'm going to be able to get on my hands and knees in a, in a planes bathroom. So it would have been a bit of a deal, but I'm definitely struggling.

But the case rate, shout out to the yak boys. Dude, one of my favorite groups of people. They're a fucking good time. The vibes were ultimate. The vibes were high. The vibes were a little shaky, too, at times. But I'm glad we all kept everything. and everyone together.

But you can check out the case races on YouTube. Go to, uh, is on the, does Barstill Yak have a YouTube? Yeah, I think the Yak has a YouTube channel. Oh yeah, that's right,

because they always base it on, they're always talking about how much their subscribers are growing. They just keep showing my, uh, just keep showing the old fleshlight down there. Um, but yeah,

go subscribe to their channel. You can go check it out. It's the case race too. Nick is touching it. Oh, my, Nick's touching. Wait, Did Nick take his face paint off?

Yeah, I think he went after the race and put it washed him of it off. Huh. That's wild. It's, oh yeah, it is over because he didn't put up our 24. But I mean, hey, the boys showed out. I will say that. Like, we were going toes with Ron and Shane. I thought SAS and Big Cat would be up there more like they got, it looks like

fourth place. I don't really know how they finished because it seems like it might be over now. At this point, we're watching it right now. As over like 30 minutes. Okay, I was going to say we're watching it now. But I was surprised at the finish. I thought it would be a lot closer with Big Cat, with Big Cat and SAS to stay one last time.

And I tweeted this too. I know I made the old man proud because I've never done a case race. I kind of held that close to the vest. I didn't let people know about it because I didn't know how I do. All I know is this. I know I can house food and I know I can house liquid, whether it's alcohol, Kool-Aid, or water. and so I knew that, you, I can store some beer.

I just don't know how much, because I've never actually gone to the lengths of, like, a case race. Or I don't even know if I've ever put down, like, double-digit beers like that, unless you're day-drinking all day long. Because usually I, like, mix stuff up, or I feel like the only times I would do it is, like, you're day-drinking, but when you're day-drinking,

there's always, like, jungle juice or something being made, too. So I was fired up. I know the old man's proud, and that's all that matters. What do we got? Tear talk, rom-coms. We talked about that. Shoutout, no free shout-out. We're going to talk about Greg Olson a little bit right now.

Greg Olson was the one on the podcast. It was an awesome podcast. He's one of the best speakers, I think, that we've had, like, on Bustin with the boys. The dude can tell a story. You buy him when he's telling the story. He was at Tideon U. This is one of our three interviews from Tideon U.

Tide in University, shout out the boys for allowing us to come into the team hotel, get a room. Shout out Pete Raskin for allowing us to use his room for our studio for this interview. But it was really good, man. We squashed beef. We talked about when Greg Olson really disrespect to me on the field in front of all of our colleagues after I broke up a pass and webbed him. And then he said, like, what are you the fucking four string? Yeah, so we had to talk about that. We relive that, which is fun.

And then we talk about the shot he took at me as well on the Dave Portnoy Show where he says, you can't have a podcast and be a decent football player. How true it is, it's up for debate. Are we talking, are we talking playoff Willie? Are we talking 13 through 17? We're talking PBU willy. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Like, yeah, it's debate. if I'm on the sideline the whole time. I mean, you know. That's because coaches are tripping. Yeah. We all know what happens when you put me out there on the field. Check the tape bag in Oakland a couple years ago.

I go, what do I sound Canadian? But, no, it's a really good interview. You guys will like it. If you're watching right now, please subscribe. Take a minute. Subscribe to the boys. Let's jump into our favorite segment. Our shout-out, no-free shout-out segment of the week.

We'll hit that. Taylor will jump on the pod, and we will do our tear talk. which we did our tier talk this week on rom-coms, and we took the tier talk from three to five because we felt like rom-coms were way too hard to just put it down on three. Because you guys fire shots at us for real. Like we leave something off that we might mention on the pop,

but you see it just on a list on the internet. We're built for that life, but you guys also take some big shots. So we want to do five this time to make sure we hit on all of it. I think the spectrum of movies we all said, it's a good spectrum, especially when Taylor just comes in and fucking...

You guys will hear his tear talk. But shout out, no free shoutouts. Start us off, JP. Yep. My shoutout, no free shout out. I was inspired by something that's been going on the bus. Like, every now and then it happens. But if you've been watching on the YouTube,

you'll see like a fly flying around in here. And so my shout out, no free shout out, because everybody tries to swat the fly is when you actually do swat and kill the fly. buzzing around. I feel like everybody gets hype when you do it. And so that's my, it's my shout enough for you shout out. I can't wait until somebody on the bus gets that fly. I love you, dude. Jack, what do you got? Mine is a very, very special experience. One that hits the brain with an extra amount of dopamine.

It's when usually you forget, or mostly it's just I forget. You've ordered something online or you're getting something in the mail, then you walk home after a long day. whether it's on the front porch or someone brought it in for you. Just a nice little package waiting for you. There's something, and it could just be something like routine, like you're ordering more toothpaste, or something you don't even care about, but for a quick second you're like, oh shit,

there could be something really good in there. So most of the time it sucks, but every now and again, man, it hits so hard. I got this hat in the middle of the day that I completely forgot I got. And because I got left out on the hat scenario today. I came prepped with my own. I don't know if you can read it, but it doesn't even matter.

When you shout out, no free shout out to that package, that little hit of dopamine you get is like the mail is here. Most of the packages usually suck, but I do feel you, though, that little dopamine rush that when you see a package, a box. A box is different. Yeah, a box that's different. And you're right. Like something usually it's like, oh, yeah, I forgot that I ordered this.

or that second, dude. And you're talking about that split second. Just that little rush. Here it? Oh, my. Take us on a journey, big dog. All right. My shout-out.

No free shout-out of the week is going to be based off of this week, 4th of July. Hope everyone is having fun. I know I've been chilling for the last couple of days while you're listening to this because we're off. But my shout-out is going to go to that fresh piece of watermelon. on the 4th of July.

I feel like it's the only time I ever eat watermelon but something about it on the 4th of July is just delicious. You get some cold, juicy watermelon just on a hot summer day, dude. I love how you're whispering. Yeah. It's just, it's a good time.

It's a good vibe. What's so funny? Back there. You gotta watch the YouTube to see. Are you zooming in on me or something? No, we weren't zooming in, but not. Those were good guys You guys did a good job

I'm honestly not that prepared My shout out no free shout out Is just gonna go to Sandwiches And the reason why I feel that though And the reason why is I hadn't eaten all morning

And so I went by Publix And got myself a sandwich I don't feel like I did it like I truly had like I needed something Like I'm sitting there with the worker And he's like asking what I want and he's like helping me figure it out. He's like, you want provolone cheese?

I was like, yeah, it sounds good, dude. Because I just needed calories in me. Like, I was hurting this morning for real. Like now, like, the sickness feeling's gone away, and now it's, like, all up in my headache. Yeah, it's just brutal. But, yeah. But my shout-out, no-free shout-out,

goes to sandwiches. And I would be specific. Like, I would say, my public sandwich I just got. feel like I haven't done Publix to, uh, given it the service that it needs. Because I know you guys talk very highly of,

uh, pub subs, right? Yeah. So wait, was this your first one? First one. Uh,

I know. Because I, there's part of me, too, that wanted to call you guys and get you one. But I was just, I didn't want to go through the entire process. Put a lot out out.

I know. I'm just trying to put, take you guys through, like just the thought process of it all. We can hear the, hear the hurt in your voice. Yeah. But shout out,

sandwiches, man. Dude, sandwiches are good, too. There he is. Coming back. Is this our second ad read? Yes. All right. So we're going to take a quick break on this episode and bring you guys revitalite. Shout out revitalite. No free shout out, shoutouts. I need you right now, Big Dog. Advanced rehydration solution designed to replenish vital fluids and minerals that you need after long, days and nights of case racing, powered by the same electrolyte formula found in the baby aisle, but with an improved taste and texture more appealing for adults. Revitalite is conveniently sold next to beer, wine, and liquor, so you can shop like an adult

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which I felt like would have really helped me out. Really helped me out. You know when you drink that water, like I'm drinking out. Well, I want, you know, I'll finish his ad read first. Make your Revitalite Black Label up today in stores or online at the Barstool Store and tweet at us or tag at Drink Revitalite in your morning after stories. Back to the episode, which is me still talking for a second. So this morning when I got up, I'm just, I'm doing the whole, just turn on the cold water, wait a few seconds, sit there and breathe for a second, look at yourself in the mirror, see like the stain paint. And like, wait for it to get as cold as possible because you're sure.

struggling and you don't have fluid around you. And then just go sideways on the faucet, just chugging water. You know how like you're so like hungover or dehydrated and water's just hitting your mouth and it just seems like it's just absorbing that shit. Like if like a drop were to fall in the asphalt and just get soaked up right away, like nothing's really getting absorbed in your body. That's where I was that. It's what I was that.

Yeah, it's a shout out. I mean you put that my notes for a shout out. Blas hit one last week with that cup and cup of water on the night sand. Oh, and I'll be damned if I didn't do it that night too. And I usually do it, but I'm like, I was intentionally thinking, like, Bloss's shoutout was intentionally making me do it at night, which fired me up. All right, so here's the, here's the segment with the boy Taylor. We get in some tear talk. We have a little fun.

We apologize for the shaky service at times. It's tough, man. he's out in Canada right now. He's fucking grinding through the adversities of technology with limited Wi-Fi and everything else. But we're trying to figure it out because we love doing the tear talk. We love the banter.

And, you know, the boy wants to be involved. He wishes he was on the bus. I wish he was on the bus. I missed the big dog. But this is the segment. And then we will jump into the Greg Olson interview. We love you. Be a fucking wolf.

Are we rolling or no? Yeah, we're rolling. We got, all right, here's the same. We got the boy. We're doing tear talk rom-coms. What were you about to say, Taylor? Well, I was going to say, because you were saying, when we first started talking about, like,

before we started recording, we started, everyone was going through the list. And you said that rom-com might be the best genre of music or of movies. But honestly, it seems like the most self-fish, because a lot of these rom-coms were looking up aren't really rom-coms. They're calm robs.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, I feel you. like, I'm just, when you look at all these lists, like, I'm just, all these feel good movies that have comedy and all that. I've lost you. You lost us? Yeah, I did, but go ahead. I got you now.

I was just going to say, like, seeing all these movies and they're like some of my top movies, period. I'm just saying, like, I think rom-com genre, by the way these movies are falling under that category is probably the best movie genre out there. Yeah, but, like, one thing we said also was, like, The traditional, like, cinematic movie, like, how it goes is guy wants girl, guy almost gets girl. Guy messes up getting girl. Guy finally gets girl. Like, that's like the steady, like easiest storyline you can kind of go about. And I feel like if you just follow that, it's like to your rom-com.

Yeah. Yeah, I thought, I mean, I just, what competes with that genre out there? No, it's not about competing. It is the best genre. But if you look at it, it's like, do these movies really belong in rom-coms? This is what we got to ask ourselves. Because I got a couple in here. I got a couple movies in here that I would honestly argue.

I was like, this is more of a comedy than it is a romantic comedy. Yeah, but maybe that's because we saw it in like high school and all we did was laugh and think it was just fucking hilarious and quote. That's a great fucking point. Yeah, like as we get older, then we realize like, oh shit, that's a rom-com. because you grow up like as a dude, you're thinking like you get made fun of like, oh, you like rom-coms. Like, no, the fuck I don't. That's the other thing.

But we've been laughing at rom-coms our whole life. Our whole lives, dude. And now I think we're just learning that all these movies are rom-coms. Yeah, because you kind of think like, like, love actually, you'd be like, that's a rom-com. When really, it's not. It's a romantic movie with some comedic release. Yeah. Yeah.

In high school, in high school, you'd be like, man, you love movies like, well, actually. but like, no, I'm not. I am at sure like that. And now I'm ready to throw in love actually. Any holiday season, bro, any Christmas season comes. I'm throwing on love actually. Oh, bro. Cancel it. Cancer of Christmas. I'm putting that thing on any day of December. We got Will wearing an eyeliner.

Oh, I hear you fucking go. Hey, you do look cute as hell today. Can you see it? Can you see the eyeliner from your phone? No, I saw pictures, though, and I thought, you know what I first time before I could realize it was eyeliner? I was like, damn, that boy's eyes looking crazy right now. And then people are pointing out like eyeliner. I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, fuck.

Yeah, yeah. It's paint. I just can't like, I can't get the, I keep trying to rub it out, but I get soap in my eyes because you got to like use soap to get it off, bro. How did it go yesterday, dude? For those of you watching right now, what today's, today's, today's Thursday? Today is Wednesday. No, it's Thursday, dog. We're back to dropping one a week.

So they're Wednesday. I know, but today recording right now is Thursday. Oh, yeah, yeah, day after the, uh, yeah. day after the case race. And we're dropping witness day. And this is, what pot is this one? 160 something. And who's on it?

Greg Olson. Oh, that's gonna, I can't wait. I can't wait. Dude, I started listening. No joke, like I don't only listen to our pods because I'm usually in them, but I listen to the Brian or Lcker one. I was so badly I was there to talk, Arizona football, because he was bringing up dudes, talking about,

guys going to Sawarro high school like that was oh no but chaparral a little bit like that'd have been cool to talk about yeah I told them afterwards

that you went to that high school he said oh that's one of the best high schools in the state and then he because he was explaining the whole the whole playoff championship thing that you've told me about like it's like yeah which is kind of bullshit

like the way he didn't he didn't say like he played it very politically correct on how Arizona runs the state championships for the record they didn't do when I was in high school. But like they do do some bullshit where it's like the best team in every division goes and plays a playoff. And that's the real state champion, like the state state champion.

And then they have all the guys that like the second place guys fight it out for like their division state championship, which is kind of, I guess it's proposing comments to both. But I kind of like it the way it used to be. Right. Because there's one state champion that can win. That's not really the state champion because they didn't, they weren't in with the bracket of the best schools, right?

Right. What is that? My daughter. They're trying to do my two kids are literally trying to just get with them. Hi, guys. But. Trying to come out. All right, he's doing a podcast.

I'll be right there, okay? Walk them out. Who wants to start off for the rom-coms, man? You want to rip this to your talk about quick? Yeah, we can go. Yeah, go ahead. Are you guys all doing one together? Yeah, we've a collaboration of the list.

All right, start it off. man, your tear. We're going to do five years. We always go from five. We struggle all the time. Hold on time. Before you go, are we doing one word? Are we doing a one word deal after?

Sure. Yeah. All right. All right. Close danger. But I guess what we're settling with crazy stupid love, I kind of do that in as a wrench, but it's a fire one.

We did not discuss that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, y'all didn't agree. on that. The original one was couples retreat. But then I thought crazy stupid love that whole interaction and relationship with Steve Carell and Ryan Gosling is so fucking good. So I

think I'm doing my team of favor. But JP, hit us with number four because that was that was yours. That was solid. Go rogue JP. Number four, no, number four, we got a classic Ryan Reynolds one, classic holiday one. Just friends. The

ultimate mixture of comedy and and release. That's a good one. That's a good one. Our number three on the list is going to be Fool's Gold, featuring Matthew McConaughey and a young Kevin Hart

actually is in that movie. Bunny, isn't it? It was his name Bunny? Yeah, bad bunny. Bad bunny. Two was a collaborative one. All three of us agreed. I love you, man. Guy on Guy Romcom.

It just hits. different. And then, yeah, and then one, which is without a doubt the greatest romantic comedy movie ever created. She's out of my league, and I'll die on that hill. Phenomenal is my word.

My word with that list, happy. Like, I want to elaborate, but I know we can only say one word. What's your one word? My one word. it'll be, um, okay.

Sorry, you cut out. What'd you say? That's okay. That's the only part I don't like about the one word thing is I do want to talk about it. You're up. Wait, wait, we'll go. We'll do ours. And then after all the one words, then after everybody goes, we open up the floor. I think that's a great idea.

All right. And I loved. There's a couple on that you all said, Fools Gold. That one slipped up under me a little bit. Um, I have seven. But I will, I know, I'll eliminate a couple. Man. I'm going to go my tier five.

So I don't know which two to take out. I'm going to take out 40-year-old virgin because I kind of agree with you on like that was, uh, it's all right. It's, it's an honorable mention. I'm going to squeak them in there somehow. It was like one of the most crazy. Well, that's fucking wild, dude. Yeah, yeah.

And I won't continue to. elaborate on it, even though it was one of my most quoted movies growing up in high school, bro, and in college. But I'm going to go, my, my, okay, I'm going to go. My tier five is going to be Adam Sandler, 51st dates. I love how he gets Drew Barrymore to fall in love with him. He's got to get creative every time on a date, and it just keeps you, like, connected and in it because while you're watching the movie, I think it's one of those movies where you're

just you're putting yourself in that situation so much. It's like, man, how do you even handle that? But that's my tier 5, 51st dates. My tier four is going to be How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. I love that one. I think How to Lose a Guy in 10 days is one of those ones where I don't think I ever watched it in theaters

or have rented the movie to go watch it. I always just see it on TV and I watch it all the time. Anytime it's on, I'm like, oh, this is going to be awesome. My tier three is another Matthew McConaughey. And a matter of fact, is Matthew McConaughey the king of rom-coms? Yeah, he had to stop doing Roncom. Ben Stiller's up there too, though. Ben Stiller did drink.

They wouldn't let him do anything else. Really? And I agree with Taylor, too. Like, Ben Stiller is another, he's a good rom-com guy. Love him in the rom-com game. Meet the parents. Shout up, subtle shout-up. But my tier, what am I on?

My tier three? yeah, another Matthew McConae movie, failure to launch. Same kind of situation as how to lose a guy in 10 days. I'm always watching it on TV, bro, him living with his parents, Terry Bradshaw, and like going paintballing and like how they hire her to get him out of the house.

Like I just, I think that's an incredible movie. My tier two is crazy stupid love. I agree with you guys. I think it's a phenomenal movie. Like you get Steve Carell, Well, what's his name? The handsome boy. Ryan Gosling.

Like, they crush it, dude. And Ryan Gosling fires you up to, like, want to go, like, take care of yourself and be a, be like a guy who can date. You want to go to the bar. Yes, dude. A suit with no socks on either. Like, okay, you're pulling that shit off. My tier one, and to me, it's close to the God tier of wedding crashers. But the tier one for me is forgetting Sarah Marshall, and it's extremely close to wedding

Crashers. We all decided before this we're going to do five tiers and we're going to leave wedding crashes out because in our opinion unanimously, it's going to be seated at God tier. But yes, forgetting Sarah Marshall, I think it's one of the best dude, very highly quoted throughout my entire life. It's just one of those bangers, dude. So forgetting Sarah Marshall, those are my tears. Taylor, what's your word? Great. Solid. Classics. There we go. special. Oh, let's go.

Golf clap, golf clout. I feel like somebody has got to always, like, just throw something in there that's like. All right, last but not least. predictable. Yeah. Hey, do you guys feel like there's a level of like

nervousness when we give out our list? Like we're so, we're all like, we're afraid to be judged by the voice. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. For sure. Here I am living in the nerves.

Okay. I like to start off my list. Will can have his possible two in there. I'd like to just give a quick little deal on this. I try to go as much as I thought was romantic comedy, aside from my first one, because it's just too good. If we were going how people, the general public looks at romantic comedies, this would be much higher.

But my tier five is going to be forgetting Sarah Marshall. I agree with Will 100%. It's close to God tier. The reason why I didn't make it any higher is only because I just, as like when I saw it as a child, I didn't resonate the wrong calm with it. I literally just talked to myself, what a hilarious movie. And oh, by the way, Milakunez is a fox. Like that's what I, that's what I figured out.

My tier four. And I feel like a lot of people forgot. about this one is the parent trap. A classic Lindsay Lohan twins tricking their parents and a re-falling in love. It's a story that can live in infamy. It's unbelievable. My tier three, who is probably the Mount Rushmore of rom-coms like Will has talked about, is going to be Ghosts of Christmas past with Matthew McConaughey. Phenomenal movie.

Emma Stone was incredible. He is like a playboy camera photo guy. He's trying to figure out who he is. It's unbelievable. It's a movie of also finding yourself and falling in love. Matthew McConaughey is in every rom-com.

My tier two and I can put this movie on any day of the week. it's so good. And it's been on a couple of lists, from both y'all's list is crazy, stupid love. It's just so fucking good. I was wondering if you're going to put that tier one.

I know that's one of your favorites. Thank you. You know me well. And it's so good, dude. It's like the layering, too, of all the different love triangles that are kind of in there. Like the babysitters in love with Perel. Yeah.

Corel's in love with the, it's just kind of everybody's intertwined. It's really cool. It's a great movie. I fucking love it, dude. And it's the epitome of a rom-com. That and this next one, which is my tier one, the boys know I love to get tropical. Matthew McConaughey deserves to be at the top.

And Kevin Hart before he was anybody. Fools Gold is such. And I, dude, a crazy stupid love was my number one until about six months ago. And then I, for whatever reason, I was getting an IV. I was getting some NAD. And I saw that on Netflix and I popped it on. I watched it six days in a row. that fucking good. I love that movie. So good.

How good is Matthew McCona is being in that movie? Your talk. Taylor, can you hear us? Taylor, come back. Come back to you. Come back to us. Can you hear us? Did I lose you guys? Can you hear us, Taylor? Taylor. We're texting us. Did I lose you guys? Can you hear us?

Yeah, I can hear you now. All right. Are we sturdy? Where did I lose you? I started to, I was accidentally cutting you off because I was saying like how good is Matthew McConaughey's tan in fools gold? Oh, it's incredible, dude. Incredible. All right. Some kid, if you can hear me, I hate the lag.

This is why we don't do podcasts on Zoom. But some kid with the Texas is a punter. And he's like, McConaughey is always around. And I was like, oh, what's he like? and the one word he described, the first word he used to describe, but Conahey was smelly. That's tough, dude. He doesn't.

No, because he doesn't use to a hundred. That's crazy. He showers like two or three times a day, I think. Like, he doesn't do whatever it's called. Like, he doesn't believe in it or something. What is he like? Rossifarian? I don't know.

Yeah, we need to get him with some Duke Cannon. But I don't think he uses products like that. real. All right, boys. Start it back for your words. Somebody. Somebody get a word. Yeah, what do we want?

I don't know what our... You each do individual words. Predictable. Decent. I hate how he keeps getting choppy on the screen. Average. Mid. One more time, love?

Mid. I think now we can open up the floor and talk about all of our tears. Parent trap? Bro. Bro. I can't hear. All I heard was three words and you guys shit on me. And then I just heard parent trap.

So I have no idea what's going on. Yeah, I said, so J.P. said predictable. Yeah. No, you don't have to repeat the mean words. I heard them all. And then I go, all right. Let's open up the floor and talk about it. What was your word?

What was your word? Mid. Oh, dude, you guys are so... Dude, I think your top two are really good, bro. You threw me for a fucking loop with those bottom three. Like, putting... Forgetting Sarah Marshall 5.

It's like, I just have bias in that. So I'm like, all right, let's see what this next two will be above that. And to put parent trap and what was it? Ghost of Christmas Pass? Great movie. Is that what it is? Ghost of Christmas Pass?

A head of forgetting Sarah Marshall and just like in the top five? Listen, I don't want to fucking deal with this because, number one, I can't, I can't hear you guys. My Wi-Fi is too bad. I know. That's why I do miss the vibes on the bus, dude. Come home. You guys forget how good parent trap was.

You know what it is? You guys are so fucking basic. First of all I'm not going to say you guys. I'm going to start with Will. I'm going to actually start with the boys in the back. I know what you guys said was a reflection of how I reacted to your guys. So there's not adjustment. I forgive you.

Will, you just a flip-flopping. You're like a flat jack, bro. Like you fucking, you have this whole, I'll speak your truth thing, help me out on our tear talk last week. And then you want you going, hey, I'm on the boy on Twitter. So you're just trying to get clicks with your comments. I haven't worried about you. It's hard.

And I do want to, I would like to talk about that. What's hard about doing this, like on Zoom, is when you did your tier talk, I was thinking those things that I was, I've tweeted about, but it's, you only had like a few minutes. So I didn't, it's like you don't know what vibe you want to go for. Like, we can't sit here and banter back and forth because we don't have a whole lot of time. So, and it was your first time, it was your first time zooming in. So I was trying to make it go as smoothly as possible.

And so, and I knew, I didn't lie to my face. No, I didn't lie to your face. I'm thinking, like, the boy, we just, we just got done doing tight. And you, NASCAR, like, we're all getting together for the first time. So I wanted to, you know, be as like, like, you know, be a boy. I might never come back to Canada, dude. Everyone up here's something. That's crazy.

But you really... I quit, bro. Hey, there's the title. Jay B just started to lean down. There's the title. I'm fucking done. But, Bo, Terry, all the movies we talked about, bro, like, listen, I think Parentrap is a good movie.

I'm just talking like top five. Like, were there some that we were saying that you're like, I would use that my top five, but I'm just going to try and be, like, I'm going to try and pick something different. Not like you want to be different, but you're just going to, like, play a different game. No, because I, so I said the whole time, like, these movies I'm putting out are like true wrongcoms. And you guys are, you guys are putting out comedies, in my opinion, which is fine. They're going to be better received. But, you know, your boys, I mean. your boy's been about rom-com since like i was 12 i'm about the rom-com life dude i was all about it

still am so you you would prefer more like family fun rom-coms than just like more of like you know like the only reason why parent's my parent trap for me is because there's a level of nostalgia there like there's better movies out there i get it but i remember being a kid watching that movie and you see the parents they're all broken up and your boy when I was that age watching that movie my parents were just recently broken up here. You're looking like, you know, if I had a twin,

I could be bringing these two back together. And so there's like a level of like, oh, damn, that movie was awesome. Damn it. I guess you hear what I'm saying. No, I was here. I heard all of it. I thought that was really honestly well said.

I feel like they should have been, I feel like there should have been in your presentation of it. It was fucking up. Well, hey, now you have it. Yeah, I think, I mean, No, I mean, see, that's like, that's you living in your truth. Like, I, like, I still have my one word or whatever because it just threw me for a loop. But if you would have presented it that way, you win me over with that.

Can you not hear me? My Wi-Fi is still bad. I just heard at the end I heard you won me over with that. All the other words you said doesn't matter because I know I got you. We just get a shout-out. Yeah, hey, what's your shout-out? No free shout-out of the week. That's tough.

Are you guys hearing everything I'm saying? to wash at this point. I mean, I'm hearing you. Like, your video will be choppy, but I can hear you pretty fluid. I'll do my shout out of your shout out real quick, and then I'll be out here. My shout out, no free shout out, of the week. It's a special moment. It's a special moment in my life with my kid yesterday when Rebel LeWan was eating some food.

And she looks up at me and she goes, hey, daddy, this food is sick. And I'm like, what? She goes, yeah, it's good. And then later in the day, she was like, called me dude. And I was like, damn, this kid's really talking. They're like, talking like me. She's doing the things I, she's saying the things I say. So my shout out, no, the shadow of the week goes to when you see your kid finally like mirror imaging you and doing the same things that you've done.

Like I say, dude, sick and bro. And now she's saying dude, sick and bro. And it's super rad. that's my shout. That's a wholesome shout out. That's a wholesome shout out. I'm really doing my best to temper down. Like, I want to have more of an emotion,

but I don't want to come off as him thinking that I'm trying to overcorrect the movie talk because I think that's a really good shout out. Hey, listen, I stand by all my movies picked. No, I mean, you should. You can't help what the people say. Like, sometimes you just got to stand up there strong and let them stones hit you in the mouth.

but all right man well we love you we miss you we wish you're here on the bus love you boys i'll let you later see you boss all right taylor peace you know my man just hates it hate not hates being in canada but hates that he i can't hate not being with the boy yeah hates not being with like hates that he can't like be in this moment because he's getting like the tough Wi-Fi and he's got to be frustrated he sees the boys with the hats on some of the boys some of the boys yeah we do we use we passed the segment off like now how do we yeah so uh we just talked to taylor on the uh tier talk our tier talk was rom-coms a lot of debate going on i think it is a very debatable topic too uh yeah his bottom three really

threw me for a loop like i the reason he loves parent trap i think is very very good. But if like you're objectively looking at these movies, and that's what I'm trying to stay, I'm trying to stay objective. And I felt like that was a mid-tier talk. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like in my opinion, I thought that was like a mid-list with all the movies we rattled off. He gave us an okay and his top two movies were in our top five. So I think the back of the bus is pretty upset with him. That's why we were. It felt personal. He took two of our movies. So you guys like Taylor's top five list No I liked his top three

I think yeah The Christmas movie and Parent Trap Don't belong in the top five So you liked this tier one two and five Oh what was yeah Forgetting Sir Marshall was five Yeah and we didn't have forgetting Sarah Marshall But ours was a collective list

He says the sit forgetting Sarah Marshall's like more of a funny movie But it's like He gets broken up with Like it's all about his heart being broken and he's finding love the entire movie and it's just really funny like it's more of like adult humor that's why I feel like he might like more of like

the family humor because those are the movies he was picking but you guys are saying your word only had to do with like you felt like it was personal so you weren't but then you also don't like his list so I don't our words also reflect his list okay you feel that way

I do uh yeah And I see why he's up in arms about what I was saying about his tier list last week. But some people, a lot of people are rocking with his list. You got these. Yeah. So many great rom-coms.

Yeah, Hitch. Fucking banger, dude. Obviously, and I took out, my other one I took out that I wasn't going to continue to say in there, but was the breakup. And only because the breakup to me is an awesome movie. I get below. Like it's up there for me on the list. But it's so real that there's also some vibes of like, fuck, man.

They don't figure it out. You know what I mean? It's not like a happy ending. They see each other and they become better people as individuals. But Jennifer Anderson and Vince Vaughn didn't land the plane. That movie really spoke to you, didn't it? Hey. I thought you were going to start tearing up at the end of that explanation.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I feel you. Like the video games and, well, hey, well, where's my lemons? Hey, baby wanted lemons. Baby got lemons. No, baby wanted six lemons. And then they kind of get in a fight or like wanting to do the dishes. I don't want to do the dishes.

Or like, I want you to want to do the dishes. It's like the dilemma that guys and girls go through all the time, especially like in the married life. Because sometimes I don't want to do that. And she's like, neither do I. Like, all right, well, then don't. do it. Neither of us don't have to do it. Well, hire someone. She's like, well, somebody's got to do it.

I'm like, all right, fine. I'll take out the trash. But, yeah, we just finished your talk. We are going to jump into, I guess, Greg Olson now. We've got to go back into the intro, for real. But let's, we're going to get into Greg Olson. Subscribe if you're watching right now, subscribe on YouTube. If you're listening or however you're receiving this podcast, this episode right now, if you don't mind taking your phone out, going to Apple or Spotify and making sure sure you're subscribed or following. I don't know how the, it seems like Spotify, you follow the page.

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for a generous 20% off, boys. You like what you get. GeorgiaBoot.com. Back to the episode. Well, welcome the bus with the boys. I know we're not on the bus. I'm fired up to have you on, and I'm glad we're one-on-one because we got some beef.

You know what? I know the story, and I don't feel, I'm not proud of it. I've told you before. Well, you apologized in the game. I apologize in the game, and I feel like I've apologized on Twitter when I've seen the clip. I feel like I've tried to make amends, so I feel good that we're sitting here face-to-face. I'm glad that we were here and we can talk about now. I've told the story a couple times with the boys, but it was like one of my first game starting and taking over the job.

And I don't know whether we were in man-to-man or spot dropper or whatever, you just hooked up right over the middle. And Cam Judge was throwing the ball and I come around and P.BU. Boy gets a P-B-U. I do the incomplete pass thing. And I don't know if you remember, but I web you. There's this inside joke. You webbed. What's that mean?

Spider-Man. Okay. So if you like, if a coach is saying something in the meetings and the coach is wrong or let's say you get an answer wrong, the boys web you. They're like, you know, you're like doing too much or you get the answer wrong. So there's like this running joke. around our facility, like webbing people. Got it. And the specials are like, hey, comp, if you make a play,

you should web whoever it is you make a play on. And so I was like, all right. I didn't know this part of the story, so I don't apologize then. So we break up the past, I web you or whatever. And Greg turns around and looks at me. He goes, who are you? What are you like, fourth string?

As he's going back to the huddle, and I'll yell back is like, hey, I'll work for this spot, man. And there was like a timeout or something later. It was like the next possession, right? next possession. There's like a timeout. Greg comes up to me. He's like, hey, man, I apologize for saying that they're like, I know you worked hard for this shit. Like, none of it, everybody who's on this field or in their place on this field, I was like, oh, it's all good, man. I do, I remember that story and I've heard you tell it. And I feel like,

I don't have to go back and look, but I feel like one time on, on, like, Twitter or something, before we had ever really, like, met, I heard you tell the story and I feel like on Twitter, I, like, quote tweeted it. I was like, I'm sorry about that. Like, I remember that. That's true, that's a true story. I felt really bad about it at the time. I feel really bad now hearing you tell it again. So I feel like, I don't feel as bad. Now that I know you, like,

webbed me and that was like premeditated, I don't feel great about that. Yeah. But, uh, I think for the, for the sake of it, we can let bygones be bygones. Yeah, absolutely. Are you not like a trash talk guy? Or you know, like a huge trash? I wasn't really a trash talk guy. I was like an area of foster comment. You know what I mean? Like, who are you? I don't even know you. Yeah, that wasn't really my thing. That's why I was so

out of character that I was like, ah, that guy didn't deserve that. Like, that was probably, fuck. I was trying, I was being sensitive that he blocked, you know,

I got very sensitive. When people guarded me, I took great pride and like, if they threw me the ball, like, I was going to catch that, son of a bitch. But like,

and when people guard me, I was like, you know, your pride gets hurt. You're like, fuck, I just let this guy fucking guard me. So I probably snapped back,

probably just out of more, like, frustration, rather than, like, angst towards you. I probably would have done if it was anybody. It could have been fucking Ray Lewis,

I might have said it. Yeah. Um, But yeah, I just, that wasn't really my thing. I wasn't, I wasn't a big, like, trash talk guy. I wasn't a big, like, rah-rah, celebrate. I just wasn't my thing. Walter pay man of the year.

Walter pay, finalist. Yeah, I lost, I lost three times. Thanks for bringing it up. But I feel like each player who gets, like, becomes their team's nominee or whatever, it's so hard because after that, it just comes under the fan voting. You know, they changed it because of me. You just need, like a strong fan base. They changed the way they work it because of me, the Greg Olson ruled.

You know, that's the, I do not. Let's hear it. So I go to Walter Payton Man in the year the first time I'm a finalist. So back in the day, no longer. They now bring all 32 nominees to the NFL honors before the Super Bowl. But prior to this, I was a finalist. It was me, Larry Fitzgerald, and Eli Manning.

So we're the three finalists. And I had no anticipation of winning. Larry and Eli had both been nominees in the past. And I was like, you're not beating Eli Manning and you're not beating Larry Fitzgerald. Who you think is winning before that night? That was the question. I was like, which one of these two legends are going to be sitting in the crowd with me? You know, as the asshole was clapping, right?

So we catch word the night before that they're going to give multiple awards. And we're like, no way. There's no way they'd give two awards when there's only three guys there. Sure, shit. They get up on stage. So then one camera gets in front of you. So you're like, oh, my God, am I going to win? But then you realize there's a camera in front of every.

finalist. And for the first time in NFL history, we are going to give out two NFL man of the years. So I'm like, do I got a shot here? But then I'm like, there's no way Eli Manning's going to sit in the crowd and be the lone loser. Larry Fitzgerald is going to sit. So they call Larry and Eli, and I'm the lone loser.

So they brought three guys, and I came in third, and I'm the only guy, right? But there's a camera. You're in the front row. Right. You know, so you're clapping, you're happy. I'm like, I get it. I'm like, but I'm going to come back next year. So they tell us.

Do you know why they gave two? Because you can only be a finalist so many times. You can only be nominated three times. And it was both Larry and Eli's last nomination. So one of them was forever going to lose. It was my first time being a finalist. So I had one more year. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, all right, I'm the lone loser.

So they catch us walking out of their backstage or whatever leave in. And Goodell comes up to me and everyone comes up to me. like, you know, we get it with it. Next year, those guys can't be nominees anymore. It's your year. It'll be your last year. We'll recognize. I'm like, I get it. It was the... That was your second time. That was my second. So I had one more time. All right. So the next year, I'm a finalist again with Ben Watson and JJ Watton. And it was the hurricane year where JJ did that, you know, fundraiser raised of a gazillion dollars for the hurricane relief in Houston. So now I'm like, shit.

Like, how am I beating that? He raised $50 million, whatever it was for the hurricane. So we go there, he wins man of the year. So I can no longer be nominated. So I'm done. So this whole plan of give it to Eli and Larry, Olson will be the lone loser. But we'll bring them back.

We'll make it up to him the next year. Little did they know that what was going to happen in Houston with JJ and what he did was great. So I lose. I can no longer ever be nominated again. So they said, we're not doing that anymore. Because there's always someone who doesn't. get their turn.

They scrap the finalists, the Greg Olson rule. They bring all 32. So now every year there's 31 losers instead of just me. But people can get nominated as many times as possible now? Still the same. But now you don't have to, but now instead of making the finalists and being three guys. And I give it to you this year or you, but now the third guy, he can not win it again. Like what happened with me, you run out of nominations.

Now 31 guys lose. So it's not as, all right, the loser next, every year they would say the loser. One of the losers of the finalists would win the next year. You never won your first year nominated until... Unless you're probably JJ Watson. Until you raised $50 million in her... Was that his first year being nominated? He was his first time being a finalist, whether he was nominated in the past.

I don't know. So I always like to take credit that the Walter Payton Band of the Year setup is now the Greg Olson rule because I was the assholes sitting in the crowd losing. You got a legacy. I made a mark on the league. You made a mark on the league that'll take a lot of credit. 32 guys get to walk the red carpet. It's because I lost so many times. They didn't want someone else to do it. Boys, enjoy all your expenses getting paid for because of me. Because of my suffering.

Dude, so how many years did you play? 14. 14 years. Started off with Chicago. You went to Miami. We'd love to hear some U stores. if you got any good U stores because you played back when the U was like the U. I played when the U was good. Yeah. You think they're going to come back? I think so. So, Marius, here's what I hear. And you can correct me because it'll be broken anyway because I just hear it through whether it's coaches or recruits or anything

like that. The issue seems to be that there's such a distance between like where the college campus is and where the stadium is and the NIL money and stuff to where it's like it's just so watered down now and they have they struggle competing because the vicinity of everything is not

around each other. Yeah, that's part of it. So I think one of the big mistakes they made as a program, when I was there we played at the Orange Bowl, which was a dump, but it was like our dump, right? It was a historic venue. when we'd play those night games there against Florida State or Florida or Virginia Tech. I mean, Clemson, it was, there was... There was...

It was crazy. Palm trees in the end zone. Everyone remember... It was iconic, you know, you played it on... You played it on... You had an option to build your stadium. And it was six. So that was the stadium...

That was the only stadium I ever played there. And then they knocked that down. And the original rumors were that the Miami Hurricanes and the Marlins were going to do like a joint brand-new facility like... somewhere on the property and share it. That fell through. The Marlins did it on their own, and Miami was left with nothing.

So on the original, nearby, the original Orange Bowl, I believe, is where the Marlins baseball stadium is, which was supposed to be a joint, like, co-habited, you know, type thing. So then Miami was just left with the Dolphin Stadium, which, like you said, is a good 40 minutes from campus, 35, 40 minutes from campus.

We always struggled getting people to our games to begin with. If it was a noon game against Wake Forest, there was going to be 20,000 people in the Orange Bowl. It was just, even when we were the best team in the country, it was just the way it was. There's a lot to do down there on a Saturday morning in November. It's 85 degrees, and you're going to go to the beach. There's just a lot to do. It's not a college town. But going up there every Saturday is hard.

It's hard for the students. It's not a big school. When I went there, there was 10,000 undergrad. So even if every single kid in the school came, it's 10,000 kids. Right. Right. And you're trying to get it. You know, if you're a student, you're trying to get wrecked.

Like, you're trying to, like, out fun. You went out Friday night. You can't afford an Uber that's 40 minutes. So there was a lot of factors in that. Now, fast forward to today, so they just hire Mario Cristobal. So Mario, I've known Mario since I was 15 years old. When I went down the University of Miami Camp, they were the first school that ever offered me a scholarship,

my rising sophomore summer. Mario was the offensive quality control coach, or GA. He shortly then went with Greg Shiano, who was the defensive coordinator. My dad knew Greg, because he played. Greg played against my dad's high school team when my dad was the coach back in New Jersey. So he takes over for Ruckers. He brings Mario Cristobal with him, and he recruits us in New Jersey at Ruckers.

So we go way back with Mario. He then came back to Miami, coached me, went on to FIU, and now he's come full circle. So he's back. If Mario can't bring Miami back to prominence and respectability, then it just can't happen. It's just not in the car. Oh, you think so. He is the guy for the job. If he can't do it, nobody can do it.

And they brought guys back, like, players, right? Like, in Ed Reed involved now? It reads, like, Chief of Staff. Jason Taylor, who didn't go to Miami, but Miami guy, he's on the defensive staff. I mean, his staff, he brought Josh Gaddis, the offensive coordinator from Michigan, who won the Art Riles for the top assistant coach. No, not our, what's the, whatever the award they give, it might be the Royals, whatever it is. They, he won top off, top NCAA assistant.

He came, he left Michigan to come. I mean, he's got an unbelievable staff. So they have the money now. Boosters, when he took the job, he said, I need new facilities. I need new NIL money. I need this, this, this, and this. And the new AD who came from Clemson went out, and they gave him a package and said, you get everything you asked for, win.

Dude, it does seem like in the college landscape, you just need, like, you need the people above you to, like, be behind you to, like, you know, give you the money because it's going to take, like, teams are building budgets to, it's going to turn into, like, free agency. Oh, it is. And Miami's never going to compete with Texas A&M and Alabama and Georgia and the big state schools that have 50,000 kids and huge boosters and huge endowments and huge fun. It's a small private school in South Florida. Like it's just it's apples and oranges from as far as the setup.

But the culture down there of winning, the area to recruit, the players that come out of South Florida, I mean, you play with a bunch of Washington. They're just different. They're just different cats. If you can get those kids, and Mario Will, he already is. He's only been there for, you know, not even a year. I think the world of Mario, and if he can't do it, it just can't be done. I heard you say you got offered as a rising sophomore. So you were a stud.

You've been a stud. So I went down. I mean, I think it was more of like projections. So my dad knew Greg Shiano. He was the defense coordinator. Butch Davis was the head coach before he went to Cleveland. And they were big time. They were playing in BCS bowl games every year.

I think this was prior to the head coach. them winning the national championship against Nebraska. So it may have been like a year before that. And so they were on the verge of something special, Dorsey and Santamos and Reggie Wayne. I mean, these guys, they were loaded. The Rock. Yeah, the rock was before that. He's a little older than me.

But, yeah, so I was going, the summer between my freshman and sophomore year, back then, they used to hold week-long camps. Nowadays, it's like showcase camps and you come in for one day. We had helmets, but it was, there was no hitting. But we wore helmets, but it was money. day through Friday. You slept in the dorms. Dorms shitty? Yeah, we had the same thing. They don't do that anymore. These

hot shot kids now in high school, they come in for one day, they work out for two hours. It's mostly like a meet and greet, official visit. Branding. Yeah, they call it camp, but they're not really working. We were doing multiple practices a day, so we were doing that at Miami, hundreds and hundreds of kids at the camp. And

after the camp, Greg Shiano, and the offensive coordinator was Larry Koker. They pulled my dad aside. I had an older brother who was a rising junior he was a quarterback and uh before we left camp they offered us both and that was he had had a few offers before then but that was my first one and i think it was just projection they saw a tall skinny kid who can run around and catch the ball and i probably weighed 200 pounds max but like could run and could catch and whatnot i think at that time they had shocky and they were on the heels of bubble bubba franks they were kind of at the forefront of that tight end kind of renaissance and

they took a shot on a young kid. That always made a lasting impression. When did you commit? So I originally went to Notre Dame. So I transferred to Miami. So I signed with Notre Dame. My older brother went to Notre Dame the year before me. So I followed him to Notre Dame the following year, signed my letter of intent, went

and graduated in June, went to Miami and went to Notre Dame in June, and I left in August. I was like, it just wasn't for me. Like, it wasn't my style. It wasn't my vibe. In what ways? It wasn't your style, wasn't your style, like what did you give you a bad taste? You know, I always loved, I loved everything about Miami. Like, from the early on, they were the first school that showed interest.

Like, I just, I loved their tight end kind of history. You know, Shockey had just gotten drafted to New York, which was right down the street from where I lived in high school. So he was a big deal. Bubba. Kellen Winslow was now then, like, you know, he was on the team and making a name. So, like, they were known as the tight end school. And there was just something about the way they thought. played their style that resonated with me like it was a little more up my alley um Notre Dame was

great Tyrone Willingham was awesome that was the head coach that I had committed to um it was just a little more conservative like it was a little more stuffy it was a little more prim and proper and you know like it just wasn't my style like that's just not me and yeah and and and you know my the only reason I went to Notre Dame in the beginning is to go play with my brother and it's Notre Dame right you you go to Notre Dame and you graduate. It's one of the most prestigious institutions in the world. So it had everything going for it. But once I got on campus, I was just, my heart wasn't there.

I was like, I should be at Miami. Like, I know I came to play with my brother and family and all that. But I got to do what's right for me. And I got to go somewhere that fits where I see myself growing as a player and as a person. And my dad called at the now Larry is the head coach, Butch had left. So Larry, Coker is the head coach. I said, dad, before I leave here, I got to make sure I have a scholarship.

This was before transfer portals. This was before all this stuff. And my dad called Larry and got him on the phone. He was like, hey, Greg's looking to transfer. He's like, what? He just got there. He's like, he wants to come, but you have a scholarship? And they had a scholarship.

I got in the car with my mom, drove back to New Jersey, waited for the NCAA clearinghouse to approve my transfer, and went down on like a Friday afternoon and jumped right into practice. Was that a hard conversation to tell Notre Dame the staff? It was hard. Yeah, it was hard. You know, to sit in the office. with a school who had recruited you now for three, four years.

You know, you had really gotten to know the assistants. They'd throw you a little bit? What's, did they throw you in a while? No, I wish. I wish I got paid. I always joke. Like, everyone, there was all these great stories about all these kids in college before NIA, the olden days where, you know, guys were dropping suitcases off and big.

We had Fred Taylor on here. What was it? 60, 50, 60 grand? I, he would go to a guy's house just to spend his own money. I swear on my family's lives. I never had, now, my dad was my high school. coach. So when they're sitting in our family room, sitting in our school, my

dad is also the coach. He's been there for 40 years. They've recruited his school for a million. So it was a little bit different, but I always joke like, I hear about all these kids the kids that I was being recruited with, or kids that I played with, or guys in the league that would tell these stories in the locker room. And I was like,

I was pretty good. How come nobody was paying me? Oh, yeah, bro. You know what I mean? But no, I never offered me a dollar. Like on Miami, and you don't have the samey names, I'm just asking, did you have a teammate in Miami where you find out while you're playing with him

in college that he had gotten paid? No. And you're just like, what the fuck? No, there was always, you know, there was always the stories of, you know, you'd get the free, you know, go to a night at the club and magically the bill got paid. Like, you know, there was always those stories,

but I never had anyone, both through the recruiting process or while I was at school, who was like, oh, yeah, they paid me 50 grand to come here. Never. Yeah. So I was either oblivious,

or I just No one thought they had to pay me And he'd come to their school I know bro I'm so pissed Like Most I knew about Was like our coaches

Would put money on the ball For like a turnover During a game Yeah I'm sure I was stuff like that Like thousands of dollars Now listen When we had recruits in

What an assistant coach Give you a hundred bucks And be like Hey if you guys go to dinner tonight If you take this recruit out Yeah But were they dropping Duffel bags of money

Like blue chips Remember that movie blue chips With Nick Nolty and stuff for like Penny Hardaway and Shaq and all them. And like, no, that was not my experience. Maybe other guys had that, but it wasn't my experience. So you were a beast in Miami. You go first round.

You play, what, three years with the Bears? I played four seasons. I got traded after my fourth season, going into my fifth. Nine with Carolina. Nine with Carolina. What was it like when you got traded? Were you bitter? I was.

Because I look at, like, you look at your career in a lot of people, like, And I'm sure you've felt this way because you're like a hard. Like you've earned all of your stuff. But people see, you know, you get offered as a sophomore. You become a first rounder. You have all of the success in the NFL. I would love to know about like some adversity points like in your career. Like maybe trading is being one of them for sure.

But I would love to hear about. Yeah. And I think I'm glad you asked because it's easy to sit back and evaluate people's career. And be like, man, that guy was so lucky. What a great career. First round picks, scholarship to Miami, you know, played 14 years. a lot of money, but like people don't know just how hard this stuff really is. They don't know every guy in the roster has a story. It doesn't matter if it's a guy in the practice squad or it's

the all pro quarterback. Everybody's got a story where along the way, there was a tipping point and you either decided to push through it or it crushed you. Because it gets even harder the longer you're on. It gets, it's, because now age becomes a factor and your, the layers of difficulty just continue to pile up. So yeah, to your point, you know, adversity, you know, adversity, I signed with the wrong college at a school. I had to go sit and be ineligible for a year at Miami and be a tackling dummy on the scout team with eight future first-round draft picks on the Miami defense.

And I'm scout team freshman, 18-year-old freshman tight end on the scout team for a full season. You got to keep your head in it too. And you've got to stay. But not any of those days are like. It's brutal. Because you're not getting coached. You're getting told, hey, you're doing the wrong thing on the car.

You're Florida's tight end. Your Virginia Tech's tight end. Your Florida State's tight end. Don't fuck it up. Sean Taylor needs a good look. And if you mess it up, Sean Taylor will kill you in practice. Antrol Role, Vince Wilfork, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma. Those guys were all on the same team.

So that was early adversity. I mean, I remember calling my dad after getting to Miami, and he's like, you know, how is it? How is it? I'm like, I love it. It's beautiful. And they walk around. It's palm trees. It's 90 degrees every day.

It's just pool. It's sick. But I don't think I'll ever going to play here. Like, these guys are just incredible. I mean, I grew up in a small suburb in New York. Jersey. And now I'm playing in South Florida. These are just different. This is just a different world. It's a different world. And, you know, you battle through that. And then as a redshirt freshman, I earned some time as a reserve kind of guy. I play half the snaps, a third of the snaps as like a

part-time number two tight end kind of thing. Then my third year start and then, you know, obviously build a career from there. But then to your point, so I get off to a decent start in Chicago, my rookie year, my second year. I'm solid, like 40, 50 catches, which in those times were good. years. You know, but then my fourth, my third year, I had a really good year. I led the team in catches. I had 60-something catches. Led the team in, I think I had like eight touchdown. Like, I had a good year. And we missed the playoffs. And Lovie Smith was the coach, and he fires the offense coordinator, the tight-end coach, the quarterback coach, and the offense line coach. We pretty much fires most of the offensive staff. And, you know, I lost my only tight-end coach

I had known at the time. And I was a young guy. So I was a young guy. So I was, and I was a You were close with them? Yeah, he was only coach I ever had at the NFL level. And so fast forward into that offseason, they all get fired, and they hire Mike Martz. And at his introductory press conference, Marks says, you know, they asked him to say, hey, you don't really have a lot of history with tight ends in your system, you know, going back to his days with the greatest show on turf, Marshall Falk, and Torit Holt and Azkeem and those guys.

And they're like, you know, your leading receiver from last year is a young tight end, a first rounder from a couple years ago. like how do you see him fitting in your system? And I'll never forget it for as long as I live. He's like, if a tight end in my system can't block, I don't really have much of a use for him. I'd rather just either play with a third tackle or a third receiver. And I was like, I never met him, never said a word to him,

never sat in his office. That was the first thing he ever said about me. So I was like, fuck this guy. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you've never spoken a word to me. You don't even, you've never even worked with me. You don't know anything about me. I'm in my third year.

I just finished my third year in the league. Like, I'm young, I'm growing, I'm getting better. And you're asking a question that gives you an opportunity to either talk you up, talk about the weapons you have. Yeah, look forward to seeing it. I mean, give a bullshit answer. I look forward to working with all the guys on the roster. I have to spend some time getting to know what guys do well. We're always going to play to guy's strengths, yada, yada, yada, yada.

But he takes the time and in essence says, like, in more words than this, he's like, I don't really have much use for him. So I'm like, all right. So I went into offseason that year, like with an edge, like a point to prove, like OTAs, mini-camp. Like, I was trying to kill people. Like, my goal was, I don't care if I play a snap. I'm going to prove this guy wrong. So that draft, so fast forward to April of that year, I get called into the GM's office. And he tells me right to my face, Jerry Angelo.

He's like, hey, I'm just letting you know, pay attention to tomorrow night's draft. This was when drafts were on the weekends. He's like Saturday, first round. he's like we have a trade in place with the New England Patriots. They're targeting a tight end. It turned out to be grunk. And if they don't, if he goes in the first round, they're going to trade one of their three second round picks for you.

So just be around. I'm not promising anything, but just be around. How are you feeling about that? You know, I had mixed emotions. Like, I loved Chicago, right? I loved Chicago. I loved the city. Like, it's an awesome place to play.

The fans, it felt like college. It felt like a big college city where the people on game day leading up to the games it's a big deal in Chicago it's beautiful, we loved it like we were really getting roots there so torn right

and part of it is just your pride where it's like no like I'm going to make it work here because you say I can't make it work here like almost just had a spite so fast forward Gronk falls out of the first round they call the trade off so they call me back in and they're like trades off we are not entertaining any more trades

we're going to make it work with you this year This is going into my fourth year. We have a good season. We make the NFC championship. I had my production was down as a product of the system, but I played a lot. I was involved in the game. Had a great playoffs. I had 100-something yards in the playoffs.

Like had a good year. I'm like, all behind me. I'm entering my fifth year. I'm going to get a new contract. Like, I'm going to be here. I've showed that I can play in any system, a system that highlights the tight ends or not. and I'm going to make it work. And it was the lockout year of 2011,

so we had no off season. That lockout was lifted. Now, did they have the option? Because you were a first rounder. Yeah, but this was old. This was old CBA. So you just had a four. I had a five-year contract.

Okay. Back in those days, there was no option. And you were going to try to get an extension going into your fit. Yeah. So I was entering, this was old CBA. First round picks, the top kids made a bazillion dollars. Oh, yeah, yeah. This was before 2011's new CBA.

Like Sue Bradford, those guys, they didn't make like, yeah, this was, this was, that I'm old. This was old CBA. So we have no offseason, no mini-camp, no nothing. The CBA gets agreed to call it July, end of July, and we have to report to training camp. So I report to training camp. We do a physical, and I'm at a movie with Brian Erlacker. And we're sitting in a movie, and my phone rings, and it's my agent.

And I don't answer it. I'm like, hey, I'm with some of the guys hanging out. Like, I'll call you later. He's like, no, you need to call me. I just talked to Jerry Angelo. So I step out, make a long story short. What movie was it? Horrible bosses.

I'll never forget it. I never saw horrible bosses, too. Brian was just in town. Last week, he came on the bus. He's the best. Yeah, he was awesome. You talk about a good teammate? That dude is a stud teammate.

Really? Everybody says that too. Stud teammate. I have good Brian's stories. But anyway, to finish this really long story, they call, and they're like, we're not going to give him an extension. So if you guys want to trade, like, we're willing to trade them, but we're not going and give them away. So we'll see if we can figure it out.

So that was like 11 o'clock. And the next morning, Lovie Smith calls me, we had breakfast together. He's like, why don't you stay out of team meetings? So we're starting camp. Like team meeting in the morning, offense, defense, special teams, weight room, like camp starting. And you're like, why don't you just like hang in the dorm,

go work out? Like, why don't you just, and we'll see if we can figure this out in that noon that afternoon. Your agents in here working the phone trying to figure out, you might one, what? Okay. Yep. And then noon.

You know, so 12 hours later, sitting in my dorm in this, like, little school that we did training camp at in Illinois and found out I got traded to Carolina. And that's how it went down. And I packed my bag up. I drove home, packed a suitcase, went to bed, woke up the next morning, flew out and never ever went back to my house. My wife flew in. She went back, packed up the house and drove, put it on the market, sold it. We never stepped foot in it again. Were you fired up about Carolina?

I wasn't. One of those things where you were nervous, kind of pissed off about the bear? Like, but you look back and you think that was one of the best situations. Looking back is the best thing that ever happened to me. My career took off in Carolina for a lot of reasons. But at the time, I mean, think about it, you're going from Chicago, which is the only team you knew, huge market. You're just getting your footing.

You just played in an NFC championship. We lost by five to the Packers who won the Super Bowl. And when you're a good player, you're like, I'm going to be a cornerstone of this. Yeah, and you want to be. Yeah, and you're like, I want to be one of the guys they build around. We had traded for Cutler the year before. we always had a good rapport. Like I thought we were on to something.

Right. You just had a great year, you know, obviously playing for the NFC championship. And, you know, we came up short, but we were building. And now I was going to the team that was the worst team in the league. You know, we had just drafted Cam. We had just hired Ron Rivera. And there was no offseason. Those guys never did a thing because of the lockout.

So the first time they ever practiced was day one at training camp, which was the day I rolled in. She said, we all got there. At the same time, we're like, we got to put this thing together and go try to be competitive with a rookie quarterback, a rookie head coach, a bunch of new pieces. We were fortunate. We had a lot of really good players that were on the team from the year before. And we made it work. And year after year, we built it. And looking back, it was the best experience.

Like, to be a part of building that and ending, you know, going to the Super Bowl and having that year. But going there, I was like, I was like, fuck. Like, yeah. Are we going to be any good? you leave one of the best teams in league, biggest market, huge city to go to Carolina. I didn't even know where Charlotte was. Right.

And now I live there. I know, dude. And now it's like you spend nine years there and you're right. Like you got to be a part of like building something. Yeah. You guys had a core group of guys. Yeah. What was it like playing with Cam Newton being coached by Ramavara?

Because he's in Washington now, which is where I played for five years. So everybody seems really excited about him and talks about how good of a leader he is. He's a great leader. The best thing we had in Carolina, and why it worked. So he inherited a lot of really good pieces. Ryan Khalil, Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams, Jordan Gross, Steve Smith.

Even though they had a bad year in 2010, they had a lot of really good players. So that was an advantage. So we got the number one overall pick. We take Cam. But he came into a locker room where there was a lot of really good players, John Beeson at the time, who was the best linebacker in the league. He was a teammate of mine in college, a buddy of mine.

So there was a lot of really good. pieces to begin with. Good leaders, strong veterans, and then the rest of us kind of came in and pieced it together. But the best thing that we had, the reason we had that five, six year run of playoffs, Super Bowls, like playoff wins, like winning the

division, our best players were like our studs, and they were the first guy in line. They were the hardest workers. They were the best guys in the locker room. Thomas Davis. We were very lucky in that regard. And Ron had, having good awareness,

He knew that the locker room was taken care of by these stars. Luke Keeckley, Cam, Thomas, Ryan Cleal, I can just do. I mean, you go on and on and name all these. But all these really good players set the tone for everybody. So if you came into our locker room, you were not as good as any of those players. So you were below them on the totem pole.

You had no choice but to work as hard as them or else you were going to be gone. Right. There was no ability. survive if you weren't willing to keep up with the best players because they were at the top of the list. That culture really allowed us to deal with adversity, deal with setbacks, deal with injury, because it never ruined us. It was just a really unique group of guys that played better collectively than we maybe were individually. Yeah. What was it like playing with Keekly?

Because that's like... He's the all-time. Yeah, he's the fucking best. He's the best. people ask me all the time Brian Erlacker Luke Keekekeley I when I joined I played with two of the best I mean obviously college is different but you've seen Beeson

Vilma I've played with I've been very fortunate I've played with some of the best middle linebackers ever Brian first ballot Hall of Famer

obviously resume Luke I didn't play with Brian when he was super young when I got there, he was in year like seven or eight. I mean, he was coming off. He was defensive player.

I mean, he was, Ryan was, as, I don't know if I ever had seen anyone up into that point as good as him. He was six, four, he was 250 pounds, he was long. Run in the middle of the field. He was unbelievable. Luke was equally as incredible. Like, just, you couldn't practice against them because he'd ruin practice. He knew every play that you were going to run.

Luke, what made Luke different was, he wasn't like you're like you know we all joke like the white guy on the on the scouting report everyone says the same things about him he gives great effort Very heady. Petty, smart, lines everybody up, plays hard, second effort, not the most talent. It's the same, whether it's a D-N, a linebacker, a corner. Every guy, that's like the running joke, right, during the scouting intro. The thing about Luke was, he was all of those things, but he ran 4-4. And he was crazy.

He had the tangibles. He was like he could jump out of the room. He was the most physically gifted guy on the field at any given time, and he knew every play you were going to run. And he, so he was just the ultimate combination where you had no chance against him. He was that good.

Yeah, man. And he was like that in practice. Like, he'd ruin our practices. They would, if we wanted to run like a reverse, say we were going to run like a trick play, they would run, Shula or Chud, Dolphins coordinator would go to Ron and be like,

hey, we're going to run it on play six of the script. Can you not have Luke in? Because he would be in the bat. He would just run through the middle. and he would tag off the guy in the backfield before you got the playoff, and we couldn't get the rep at it. So, like, they would put in, like, the backup guy

just so we could get, like, a real look because he'd ruin it. Damn, AJ Klein? No, no, no, no disrespect to AJ. AJ was a Sam. AJ, if you're watching this, you were the Sam. It wasn't you, buddy.

But, no, like, Luke was just... He's just different. I mean, in my mind, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. I wish all of that stuff, because who knows how long he would have played? Who knows if he had the desire to play it? But you could tell his game was changing over time. Because what was that little collar thing he had on?

What did that measure? Like in the key collar, it was like something that he felt really strongly on that gave him some protection. And he still believed strongly in it to the day that allowed him to play as long as he did. I just hope that they don't hold Luke's longevity. I think he would play nine years.

In my mind, he's on the Mount Rushmore of the best to ever play the position. And in my mind, it's a no-brainer. Will the voters hold? that against him because of his, you know, long-jerk, I don't know, I hope not, but the guy's an absolute stud. Yeah, because it's kind of similar with, like, Patrick Willis. He only played, like, nine years.

Yeah. He kind of abruptly retired because he's, like, my feet hurt, basically. Yeah. Because we were talking with Brian about it last week about Zach Thomas and why he's not in it. He's like, you got all these writers who, all these writers who, they're the only ones to vote, and he's talking about maybe you do 50% players, 50% riders or 50% guys who are in the Pro Bowl. But yeah, man, Luke was like the standard. Like in my head, I wanted to be called poor man's Luke Keekley.

You know what I mean? Like that's a, yeah, like that's compliment. He was a son. I remember that game he had like 20-something tackles in one of his first years. And then after the game, he's going to clean up the water cooler. Yeah. Like he's going to clean up the locker room and throw the trash out. Like the Clark can't, bro, put on his glasses.

He'd put on his glasses. He'd walk out in his collard shirt. He'd clean up the garbage. He'd put the stuff away. He'd ask you if you want to go, you want to come over. And like, he would, he, he's, he's just this special, I don't know how else to describe it. Is it true that he had no TVs and stuff in his, uh, and is that true or you kind of like, no, he has now plays into the, no, no, when he was a young kid living in his apartment and stuff, yeah, he had very little, bare bones, minimal. He's just a minimal, he's just his personality.

He's not a flare guy. He doesn't need for a lot. He doesn't look for a lot. He doesn't need a lot of attention. He doesn't need a lot of accolation. Like, he's just not. not his style. He's just a humble,

just, he is, people throw around like he's a normal guy a lot, but like, if anyone's a normal guy, it's him.

Yeah. Thomas Davis, he's somebody who I only, I would only know throughout like the NFL PA meetings when I'd see him, but I was sitting at a stable one time and he was eating

like chicken fingers and ketchup or a burger and talk about how he just ate shitty his entire career and played as long as he did. Were you in the same cloth or were you somebody who took care of yourself? Thomas is another guy

that was just an absolute freak we used to joke like his head was made he tore his ACL three times and he ran he was faster like he was faster when he was in his 12th year than he was when he was in his second year like he was an absolute stud when him and him and we had him Beeson and and luke and and and luke and and the same team one time um you know it was for a short time period of time but then obviously luke and thomas were together for god nine years maybe eight eight years whatever was um Yeah, Thomas Thomas was just one of those guys

that he'd piss you off because he'd eat chicken fingers and french fries and you're like starving yourself and testing your blood and having chefs make you stuff and then Thomas would come to practice and he'd be the fastest guy in the field and his head was made of concrete

and at the end of practice you're like, hey Thomas, how are you? Yeah, I'm good, no, I'm good, yeah. I'm not that tired, I'm fine. You know, it's just some guys are just built different. That was never me. I was never that guy

from I learned very quickly in college. This was probably the turning point of my career. I learned very quickly in college when I looked around the locker room and I went to summer workouts and was running next to guys and in the weight room lifting next to guys. And I took inventory of what everyone else was able to do that I wasn't able to do. I realized very quickly if I didn't do things they weren't doing, I wasn't going to survive. I just, I wasn't physically gifted like they were to keep up. Like I had to go the extra mile.

I had to do more than they were willing to do. And that was the only way I could close the gap and be in that echelon, like upper echelon of guys. So the only way I could have played in the league and like survived, but I never would have like played and like had production and been able to be consistent and whatnot. So I had to like train and the way I trained and the way I ate and supplements and blood testing and like do everything.

humanly possible to close that gap on these, especially the young kids that would come in every year and just be better than the crop that were the last year. I learned that very early in my career and I'm thankful for it because I was exposed to so many kids that were just better athletes than me. Right. Well, I think it's a testament too. I mean, you play a 14-year career. It kind of shows that kind of discipline. When you get done with your time in Carolina and get, did you get released or it was just your contract? No, they cut me. And then you play another year in Seattle.

Yep. What made you want to do that? You play 13 years, you play nine years. You have all the success with Carolina. Were you hoping? Were you disappointed when they released you? Yeah, so my first 10 years in the league, I was very healthy. Like, I played every down.

I played every game. I didn't miss a game for 10 years. And then in my 11th season, I broke my foot. In my 12th season, I broke it again. So I played portions of both those seasons, year 11, year 12th. This was 2017, 2018. So, like, I was never the hurt guy, and now all of a sudden I'm the hurt guy. And it was the same foot, same bone.

Did you have a pin put in? I had a pin put in. It cracked. It broke again on me. It was just a long two years. So then 2019, I played the entire season. And I was fine. I probably had 60 catches, 50 catch.

Like, it was a good year. Like, it wasn't when my years were prior, but it was solid. 600-something yards. Like, I could still. play. Played, was healthy, had no issues. So we struggled as a team. That's the year Ron got fired and going into the offseason. Cam missed the entire season. He was injured. So in the off season, there was a lot of speculation. They eventually, of course, let go of Cam. So they let go of me. They let go of Cam. They hired a new coach. So there was a lot of organizational shifts.

So I wasn't surprised. I had a good feeling when the season ended that that was the end of the road for me in Carolina. I was actually down at the Super Bowl working, doing some TV stuff down in Miami, and the GM called me, and he's like, hey, are you around? I was like, yeah. And he was great. Marty Herney treated me and the guys really well. He's in Washington right now. And he's like, hey, I just landed. I'd love to meet and just talk. So, like, I knew what was coming. I was grateful that he flew down. He did it face to face. We ended on very good terms. I had no animosity. It was just time to move on. So then the big conversation was, my done playing. Like, do I have anything left in the tank? And I, I knew in my heart that I could still

play. Like, I was healthy. My feet were finally good for the first time in a long time. And I, I knew, like, I didn't want to look back and have any regrets. But I also wasn't going to go play for no money and go play on a shit team and just be like the good old guy in the locker room. Like, I was very clear. I was like, if I'm coming to play and you want me to come, I'm coming to play. And you had the desire to? Yeah. That was the way. one too? Like, obviously your body felt good. Yeah, I, I knew I could play. I always enjoyed the off-season. I love training. I love that, like, daily grind of working out. And that's why I don't do it anymore, because I'm, like, over it. But when I was in it, like, I was, I could do it every day.

Whether I wanted to or not, I could be very disciplined. I didn't always like it, but I could do it. And never waver, never miss a day. Like, that kept me going. And I knew I still had it to do that. So I told I said, I was like, let's see what interest is out there. Like, what teams, are they any good? When they're going to pay me? Like, I'm not just going to go be a charity case, right? Like, I'm not just going to go take a roster spot just to be the guy, like, I didn't want to be that guy.

Not a bad gig. No, it's a good gig. That wasn't for me. I didn't want to do that. That just wasn't, that wasn't for me. Yeah. I had some opportunities with some TV stuff that I could have gone in and taken a role there. Sure. That's what I was asking. Yeah. So I had an offer on the table that I signed actually before that, which was my eventual deal with Fox. We actually signed that before I ended up playing that year in Seattle, knowing I was going to play a year and then transition in.

So I could have gone into it right away. Little did I know, I signed in February and March COVID happened. So it was 2020. So we had all these big dreams. So it came down to Buffalo and Seattle. And I actually was with Josh Allen today. And I was like, dude, I think sometimes like what could have been, right? Like, who would have, they became the best offense.

And all my old coaches were there, Dorsey, like my original tight-in coach that got fired in Chicago. He's the tight-in coach. McDermott was my coordinator. The GM there was our assistant GM being. Like, all my guys were in Buffalo. But there was something about going out and playing with Russ. And I had always played against Seattle for years. We were always in the playoffs against them.

We had battles against them. And I always had a ton of respect for their team and their culture and their ability to win consistently. and Russ and all that. So we looked at it as a little bit of an adventure. You know, our whole family was going to move to Seattle. We were going to live in a condo, and our kids were going to live in a new city, and they were going to go to school there, and I was going to play in that crazy stadium. Like, it was going to be a whole thing.

And then March of 2020, the world shut down. So. Where were you in March of 2020? Were you in Seattle? No, I was living in Charlotte training. So instead of moving there for OTAs, we have no offseason, we have no mini-camp. We have no. So I don't do a thing.

with Seattle until July. And at that point, you didn't even know if training camp was going to happen. Didn't know if training camp was going to happen. And then when you do get to training camp, you're sitting around in a mass, you're tracing, you can't have, you can't sit in the cafeteria, you can't sit in the locker room. All the fun shit that involves being a football player. Your family doesn't come to the game. There's no crowd in the stadiums.

You're playing in Seattle. For anyone who's played a game in Seattle. Oh, it's incredible. It's the most crazy experience ever. And I'm like, man, I'm going to finally be on the other side of it where they're not booing my ass. there wasn't a soul in the stadium so like everything that to me made the game fun

hanging out with the guys the camaraderie the locker room we weren't allowed to meet each other outside the building you weren't allowed to go to team dinners you weren't allowed to go to lunch when you went on the road when you got to the state

when you got to the hotel in the road my favorite thing was Saturday night getting your buddies and going out to dinner and just like taking a break before team meeting and just going out and have a great steak dinner or whatever you went we weren't allowed to lead to hotel Crazy is like say we were teammates like when we got done with practice and everything else you couldn't give me a right home.

No, like when you're not to be in a car together. Yeah, you're not allowed to be around any teammate or if you got caught you'd be so you just you just felt I felt very disconnected which was never my that was never my deal like I always loved all of it like being with the guys and bullshit and busting balls and that was always the fun part and then the football was just the easy part. You had none of it. So now you're the new guy or the old guy. You're used to do. doing things your way and you go into a system that's very particular about doing things the Seattle way and it just wasn't a good it wasn't a good match it was just it was tough and I don't know if anybody when I signed there no one imagined what 2020 would look like no one could predict it right so just all things considered it wasn't the ending that I was hoping for um and that's the way it goes but I knew halfway through that year my other foot ruptured and I was dealing with that and I was like I'm done like I can't do it anymore I'm done I'm glad I did this

because I would have had regrets like could at least you found out I was like I'm done I can't do it anymore I'm physically I'm mentally like I'm done and I'm ready to move on with my life so I flew home from Seattle we lost in the playoffs that year and I knew I was like there's I'm done I'm moving on so what's it like on the other side man busy I'll tell you man I my the way I imagined retirement was like, I took up tennis. Did you ever play tennis? I played a couple games. So I started taking like lessons.

Like we belong at a club, like lessons and like someone teaching me to actually play. And again, I'm not good. I don't play matches or anything. But like I was like, I envisioned my day like wake up, take the kids to school, go to the club, sit in the steam, maybe play tennis with the guys, go to lunch, come home, chill. Like, that to me was retirement. That is so far from my retirement. I'm like more busy now than I've ever been. You're a worker?

I'm a worker and now you're saying yes to all the things you always said no to. You're trying to like make up for lost time. It was easy to say no when I was playing. I can't, I'm in the middle of season. No, I can't. I'm training. No, I'm kidding. But now you're like, yeah, I'll try that.

I haven't done that before. Yeah, I'll try it. And then instead of being able to go play golf in the afternoon on a Friday, you find yourself like, you know, spending time on other shit, and you're like, what am I doing with my life? Well, you've got a couple things,

Big things going on like you sign with Fox. Yep. And you're also building, what is it called? Audiorama. With Vince Vaughn. Yep. Which, what the fuck? How you pull that off?

So that's a good, that's actually a fun story. I mean, Vince Vaughn. Yeah. So, yeah, so obviously I got this stuff with Fox and I'll be able to call, you know, their number one game this year, their A crew, you know, and then obviously there's the Brady element, which is when he comes in, he's technically the A guy in the future. It's just a matter of when he retires.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of money. I did not get that much money, if you're wondering. If that's the big announcement here, that's the big clickbait. I did not make $337 million if that doesn't surprise you guys. But it's cool. I mean, to call a Super Bowl, call the playoff games this year, the football, you know, the prime game in the afternoon, what they call it America's game.

Yeah. Yeah, should we clap at all right? That's awesome. Yeah, so that's going to be a cool opportunity. I'll do that with Kevin Burkhardt, who was my partner last year. So we'll call that crew. So that obviously takes up some time, especially during the season, but it's a blast. Calling the games and being around is really cool.

But then the audio-orama thing, what started is, so I had this idea for a podcast that I actually started under that umbrella called Youth Inc. And so my dad was my football coach, my high school football coach. I grew up around it, all boys. I had two brothers. So, like, youth sports and sports, that's all we did. Like, we didn't, we weren't very well-rounded. We went to school and we played sports. I couldn't make a campfire.

I don't know how to tie a hook on a fishing pole. I'm with you. Never been hunting. We just never did that stuff. And I wish sometimes I learned it, but I'm very grateful. Like that was our upbringing. Like we were in sports. We were on teams and that's what we did.

Weekend time was about sports. It was it. Summer vacation was going with my dad's high school team to sleepaway camp and sleeping on the floor as a sixth grader with high school kids and the next morning getting up and trying to keep up at practice. Like that was our life. Yeah. So fast forward, I was like, you know, now I'm a dad.

and I got three young kids that are now entering into sports at various levels. And I don't, like, the amount of decisions that these kids have to make now, what team to play for, how many sports to play, what school to go to, do you play travel, do you play rec? It's wild. It is not what we grew up doing, where you just played with your buddies and your town. And if you got lucky enough, they built a traveling team. And you joined, and whatever. But when football season ended, you rolled into basketball.

And then the last day of basketball, you rolled into baseball or track. or whatever you did in the spring. And there was no decisions. You just did what everyone else did. That's not the case anymore. So I was like, there's a show here where, like, we explore all these elements of youth sports, the big business of it, the conflict, the negative, the positive. And like, let's talk to professionals.

Let's talk to parents and coaches who can better educate all of us. And like, here I am as someone whose whole life has been sports. And I struggle doing it with my own kids. So I'm damn sure these other people don't know what they're doing. And so we started you think. So I was having dinner with Vince and my buddy Ryan Khalil, who's our other partner in this. And they live out in L.A. And at the time, we were shopping it around to some other podcast platforms.

And I was like, let me pitch you guys on this idea. So I did. And they called me like the day later. They're like, dude, let's just do it ourselves. Like, why would we give this concept to another platform? Like, let's just build our own kind of framework around it. So through Vince and Ryan and their connections. in that space. We had a private equity group that joined us and we built a really cool team.

It's called Audiorama. The only show we have right now is my show, you think, but we're in the process of scaling it out and building other really cool, interesting content that we're going to house on it. So that takes up a lot of time. As you well know, these shows don't just do themselves. And we're a small startup, like we're doing it all like on our own and we're growing and building each week. So that's been fun. We've had some cool conversations. But again, it's time. It takes time to do shit. Especially when you're wanting to head it on, like you guys want to have the ownership in

and nobody's going to sit there and build the infrastructure. No, we got to do it yourself. You guys sitting around us bringing in, shout out Mikey Fowler, by the way. Mikey Fowler? Yep, we got him from Barstool. People scaling.

That was an interesting conversation with Dave. Yeah, so that's what I was thinking. Like, you and Dave have been close for a long time. And, you know, you were on the Dave Portnard show and you guys have obviously had a close relationship for a while. But why when you want to get in the podcast space do you not approach a guy like Dave? So that's a good question.

So I actually, through this entire time of building out you think, Dave was one of the guys that I talked to the most. We've had conversations about doing a show together. We've had conversations about doing a show on the Barstool platform. I'd say for like five years. Me and him had some talks years back. I was still playing about doing a show together, like an NFL show. And then it was scheduling. Like I live in Charlotte.

At the time he was still in Boston before he went to Florida. You know, and we're just talking through the logistics of it. We actually kicked up the idea of doing it recently, but with Fox and my TV, it's just, there's a lot of moving parts that go into it. But Dave was someone that I was in constant communication with and like really bounced a lot of ideas off of them. He gave me a lot of really good insight into, you know, what it's like running a podcast and what it's like making content every week. So like he was a really good resource. Obviously, he's done it a lot longer than I have.

And I've known Dave for God. 10, 15 years. Yeah. You know, when Barstool was just Barstool, Boston, there was no Chicago, there was nothing. And so he's always been,

he's always been great to me, and we've always had a good relationship. But fast forward, when I pitched him, I don't know how this you think thing would have matched. Like, I don't know if it's necessarily the show for Barstool or whatnot.

But we talked about, like, we're going to own it and build it, which he was like, dude, that's the great idea. The Mikey Fowler thing was really interesting. So we had this, this like consultant guy who was helping us build out the platform and was very connected and actually spent some time at barstool years ago. And we interviewed a woman who was going to run as like our

general manager, like our ops guy, our ops person. And we interviewed her and we were close to signing, close to her signing on. And then she had something happened personally that she decided not to take the job. So the guy who was working with us called Mikey and was like, hey, Mikey, gave him a little background on what we were building. Do you know anybody? And from that conversation, one thing led to another. And so now we get ready to join. We have no idea any of this is happening.

So we have a board call, and the guy that's working with us is like, hey, guys, here's the update on who we're hiring. I'm like, great. He's like, his name's Mikey Fowler. At the time, I didn't know what that. I didn't know who that was. And he's like, he's coming from Barstall Sports. And I was like, fuck, I got to call important. I just had talked to Dave two days ago, like two days before this.

And I didn't mention it because I had no idea any of this was happening. So I hung up. So I get off that call and I'm like, I said, hey, man, I want to chat with you for a minute. So I called him and I was like, hey, in just the sake of being transparent, I just found this out 30 minutes ago. I'm just letting you know, like, there's conversations being had. He was awesome about it. He's like, great.

He's like, for him to come in and have a, he's like, we can't offer him that at barstool and whatnot. Dave was cool about it, but I was like, I didn't want him to think that I was like poaching his people. Was there no what the fuck moment in the conversation? There was like, you know, Portnoy being an being an asshole. But like

professionally business, like he knew it was the right move for Mikey. He, like he knew, like it was all good. Like we and I just my biggest thing was like I just wanted him to like full transparency because I was like, I would wish you would do the same thing to me. Like if you ever got somebody that I've

worked closely with and I found out you poach them and me and you have talked and you don't even mention it. Like, I'd be like, come on, man. So, like, I said, I'm just doing this out of courtesy because you've always been good to me. And, like, I would hope that you would treat me the same way if the roles were reversed. And it's been great. Do you enjoy it as much as you thought you would?

Like, what are the, what are some of the hurdles that you've learned about building kind of like, I assume you guys want to build an empire with it? Yeah, we're trying to, you know, the biggest struggle that we have right now is there's no scale, right? it's just my show. So every listener has to be curated organically through me, through, like, we don't have social channels. We don't have other shows.

Like, if I came on Barstool and I started my new show, I'd be sitting here on Bussin and hopefully steal some of your people. They'd also listen to my show and we'd, like, cross-pollinate, right? Like, you get shows from Dave and Dave to PMT and, you know, whatever. You guys all support each other. We're not there yet, right? So every listener we have only listens to my show, and that's it. So the idea is as we ramp up and we can scale, we can scale ops, we can scale production,

we can scale sales and all that stuff, but we can also scale audience. And we can bring on other either existing pieces of content that come within a base of audience. Okay, that's all new potential listeners for you think. And you think listeners now are potential new listeners for show X. And now if we can scale that, go from one to four to ten to it just raises the the overall audience that we don't have right now just because we are a single show. Have you been car washing around on other shows?

We do. We don't do everything. We get a ton of like requests from everything from like mom and dad blogs to buss into PMT to whatever, like big shows to little. So we're selective. I don't have the time nor do I want to go and just. be on every single person's podcast for an hour and just spend my whole day sitting in a studio. Yeah.

So there's a balance between growing your audience and getting word out there, but also I'm not committing full-time. Like, I'm not going to spend six hours a day doing this. Right. I'm just, I'm just not going to do it. Yeah. So there's a little bit of a balance. Yeah, because I remember on the day, Portnorshoot, that was when our 2021 beef happened. When you're like, you can't do a podcast and also be a decent pull-up player.

I took that as feel. I'm like, oh, he remembers our 2015. He's taking another jab at me right now. That was not directed at you. I know. I know, dude. That was, that was an, I have got to do a better job. I needed to study you more.

I did not mean. I had to MJ. You know what I mean? I had to create something. See, what I was doing, though, is I was subliminally fueling you to just continue to push your career forward. You did. Trust me. You motivated me.

It's deep on my shoulder. Everybody's got a role in life, man. And sometimes you got to play the bad guy. What blew up to me, though, is the fact that Dave's like, there is no, I don't think there is a good. That was the best part. He was, like, I had an excuse. I didn't really know you. He was your, in essence, boss, I guess.

Because you see Eddie in the background, he kind of just, like, laughs. It's like, well, Eddie, why don't you say you? He goes, I thought, he goes, I was thinking the same thing. That's so I didn't say nothing. Dave is one of a kind. He is one of a kind. Do you follow Andrew Shills at all, the comedian? I don't.

Oh, bro. I just saw Dave went on his show. It's an incredible show. He's a funny comedian. But Dave is just all over, man. I don't know how he does it. I respect it. I wonder how much longer he has to do all the things he's doing.

You know, people have always asked me, you know, I was on, what show is it? I was on one of your barstool shows not long ago. And, you know, they always asked about Dave and how long I've known the barstool guys. I mean, I knew Big Cat, when Big Cat was just hired, we were living in Chicago. Yeah. And they expanded to Barstool Chicago, and they hired Big Cat. So they played in our kickball tournament probably in like 2008, 9. I mean, I'm talking a long time ago.

That's so funny. And the thing I've always respected about the Barstool guys, and I've been up front with Dave about this, too. I haven't always agreed with everything they've put out, every position they've taken, everything Dave said, done, other people. Like, the one thing I've always respected is the Barstool brand is true to what it is. It's true to themselves. They don't, in today's world, to be true to what you are and not try to test the waters and test where the wind is blowing and then try to make decisions.

I don't always agree with it. A lot of people don't agree with it, but I think that, like authenticity, good or bad is why people, even if they aren't fans of Barstool, they respect what's been built because it's a brand that's been built true to themselves and what they are. And a lot of times they get themselves in trouble and a lot of time he gets himself. But he says what he means. He means what he says.

He's not worried about pushback. He's not worried about judging where the wind blows. And is this going to get me in trouble? Is this going to make me lose sales? and am I going to lose sponsors? I respect it. I get it. And I don't always agree with him what he says.

I think a lot of what, you know, I've said that to him. But I respect their authenticity. It's a nice break in this reality of our world to just have people that are what they are. Especially when you're going through the internet too. Like you can kind of shy away, like once you get corrected or whatever. Yeah, it's hard. Shy away and start to get manipulated to become something that you're way far away from

that you first started doing. and to be like prolific through all of that and take shots as you go you know correct be unapologetic whatever all those words are but yeah like bar stools they stay true to like this they are and people don't like them

and that's okay you don't have to like them it's not for everybody and the thing is too people can say they don't like spitting chicklets oh I like spitting chicklets oh I like bustle with the voice and that's what's cool and that's what's cool about it but I don't like barstle it's like all you don't have to like it all there's so much

in that universe that you can pick and choose a la carte what you agree with what you align with, what you like, and that's why they have such a diverse

offering of content, personalities, different ends of the spectrum that there's something for everyone and I've always respected that about it. Yeah,

well, I don't even know what time it is. Yeah, we've used up a lot of your time, bro. Yucking it up, man, we're chilling. Well, I think you're a step,

bro, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you, man. We're a... You're a good story teller. Taylor's in Canada, it for a month. Golly. Someone's got to carry the...

Dog, I'm telling you, man. Well, hey, here's the deal. Next time we do it, it's on the bus. On the bus. On the bus. The whole thing. And you do, like, you building your, you building your podcast and everything else,

I know it sucks and can be time consuming, but if you didn't get on other people's shows... Yeah, yeah. Like, that's usually, that's like... Well, I'm going to get all of your listeners, so next week I expect to spike on the charge. Go subscribe to... Youth, Inc.

And you can follow you at... And you can follow you at... And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram. And is that... post a lot of your stuff or where does a lot of your podcasts on youtube youtube i mean you can get on i tuesday spotify all that like normal pod stuff but then a lot of our like video content social instagram twitter ticot um youtube you know all of it is you think you think yeah okay where do you keep the bus we are about what 10 minutes from here we are over in studio like in a warehouse

or you just in a warehouse yeah basically in a warehouse yeah it's a bus travel like it's no yeah toes we tow it's not like an offer okay i wasn't sure i don't i don't i wasn't sure i don't I was seeing like the inside. I've never... What I was showing last year and was waiting on a call, we just went off on a whim and took the bus to Nebraska

and the University of Tennessee just to see like what we would do and tailgate there and do a show there. That's so cool. And it was awesome, man. So it's not operable yet. It might not have been able to be.

Or we'd just buy another bus. Because the problem is there's so many obsolete parts it would cost like... Just get a new bus. You guys have a lot of money. Just get a new bus. I did it.

I did. I did a show, the Super Bowl year. We were in the Super Bowl with Big Cat and Dave when they used to do, like when you'd sit on the couch, they used to call it something, not the rundown, whatever it was at the time. It was, it wasn't PMT. There was no PFT at the time. It was just Big Cat and Dave.

And whatever was, they were driving, Big Cat was driving around like a big RV in essence. And then they would just, you remember I'm talking about? And like we would sit and they had their shirts off. I'm like we would sit on like these, I'm like a couch like this, but it was in an, it was in an RV. Oh yeah, because a Blake, the vessel player, Blake Griffin, he was on it too. Yeah, like that was there like that. And then obviously that became PMT's thing before the, you know, the van talk and all that, Barstall van talk, whatever was.

And I remember sitting, for whatever reason you Barstow guys love sitting on like buses and vans. I know, they like come, they don't come after us, but like jokingly come at us. They're like, oh, you ripped our idea and stuff like that. Well, I pretty, but we got to do it in a really. really nice hotel room. Yeah, we did. I appreciate you, man. This was a blast. You need a photo, Garrett? Yeah. Let's do it. It's just a spring tour, University of Miami. Are you going down there? Oh, so, so here's an idea of what we want to do. Are you just getting? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So here. You want me to cut? Huh? No, no, I can, I can tell about it on here.

All right. Got them. Great. So, uh, an idea I have is we did a Bustin Spring Tour this past year, and we just had our first kid in the middle of when spring ball and all that stuff is, so we can only pick three spots to go to. We went to my alma mater, Nebraska, Taylor's in Michigan. Yeah. And then we just went to the state's one, University of Tennessee. Yeah. And so next year, like, building off of that, we would just travel there.

We would interview the head coach, a couple players, whoever we could get on. We built a bus and bowl game from it. But going moving forward, we would like to go to more colleges, obviously. And each spot we go to, like, say we went to Miami. Like, hey, we want to go to Miami. I call you up. And my head, Greg, it would be awesome. if you wanted to come and be a part of the Bustin Spring Tour.

So you would come down and say we would do whether we interview the head coach, we interview Ed Reed there, a player that's there. And then a spin I want to come off of it is we just did our first live event at Zanis not too long ago. And it was awesome. We had on a Taylor and I bantered for a while and then we had a guest come on. But you could spin off saying like we're going to Miami. Greg's going to be great. And that would be next.

That'd be in the spring. That would be in the spring. Oh, right. Like spring ball. Yeah, it's easy. No, yeah, get me some fun. That'll be fun. And any excuse I need to go down to Miami, I take it. And you're in Charlotte, right?

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