Bussin' With The Boys - How "Ultimate Human" Founder Gary Brecka Transformed Jelly Roll & Dana White + MAHA Role | Bussin'

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Recorded: September 22, 2025 Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are back with a massive episode featuring Gary Brecka, founder of Ultimate Human and the force behind MAHA. Before Gary hops on, Will and Taylor dive into some fan comments and questions with #TierTalk. Afterward Gary joins the bus, and the convo dives deep. Will and Taylor discuss bonding over biohacking and breaking down how athletes try to treat their bodies. Then Gary hits the main issues we all struggle with: needing better sleep and hangover cures. Plus, Gary shares why his mission is to Make America Healthy Again. From helping UFC CEO Dana White and Jelly Roll transform their health, to keeping Big Pharma accountable and revealing when MAHA will start making real change, Gary lays it all out. The episode closes with big-picture questions on the future of America, how long Gary actually wants to live, and a classic Bud Light “what would you do anything for” moment. Big hugs, tiny kisses.   TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro5:41 #TierTalk29:42 GARY BRECKA INTERVIEW STARTS30:47 Will & Taylor Bonded Over Biohacking32:48 Nonnegotiable For Athletes40:17 How To Get Better At Sleeping41:27 Hangover Cure?45:34 Where Do We Find An Edge?48:09 Does Gary Like The Term “Biohacking”55:04 Is The Health System Keeping Us Sick?1:00:43 Make America Healthy Again1:08:44 How Can The Average American "Biohack"?1:17:44 What Is Too Much?1:24:34 Is Seasonal Depression Real? 1:30:19 How Important Is Gut Health & How To Help It?1:40:54 Will's Back Issues 1:46:11 How Beneficial Is Cold Plunging?1:52:47 Snacking vs Actual Meals1:55:22 Things To Do To Help Kids1:59:28 Does Gary Break Any Of His Own Rules?2:09:31 Helping Dana White And Jelly Roll2:20:52 How Can Everyone Get Longevity? 2:27:26 Growing Up On A Tobacco Farm? 2:29:46 Keeping Big Pharma Accountable + When To Expect MAHA To Make Changes2:42:33 What Does The Future Of America Look Like?2:45:19 How Long Does Gary Want To Live?2:53:25 Bud Light: What Would You Do Anything For?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Alright, we're good. Be like, uh, busting with the boys. And hanging with the fed. Betting on a game. It's going to tell us what to do. And I just drinking beer and making national... Hanging with the fed. Bussing with the boys.

Bro. Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen, to episode three, two, three, 47. God, I always forget, man. I can't believe we're 347 episodes in with the one the only gay break of maybe the best biohacker any entire world. He hates that reference. We are presented by Bus with the Boys

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We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

I'm Joey Dardano, and on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to me. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite Wednesdays on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Boys, this is an incredible episode. Gary, for those of you don't know, maybe tuning in for Gary Brecker.

This is one of those episodes where when Will and I met our friendship was a lot around the biohacking world. At this point, Gary Brecker wasn't a huge name seven, eight years ago, but like being able to sit down with a brilliant mind like this, talk through all sorts of different things

of how to take care of your body where the best things you can do. This is something that is like really cool for myself. I don't want to speak for you, but very, very fun podcast for the both of us. Yeah, right when we got done with this episode with Gary Breka, he looked at me straight in the face and said,

your T levels will rise 50% if you shaved your head. And that's why I did it for this episode. Yeah, that's why you did it for this episode. That's why you did it for this episode. If you are tuning in for the first time and you're wondering why Will looks like an extra for American History X, it is because Nebraska lost to Michigan in Lincoln, Nebraska, which is the Boston Bowl, which is our episode.

Also, who won the national championship will in 1990? The Michigan Wolverines. And who is getting $50,000 donated from Busfront the Boys to their NIL fund? The Michigan Wolverines. Right. And with all those things, one plus one equals Will having a bald head. Listen, Titans watch parties taking place October 5th. Where is that at?

October 5th. The Brooklyn Bowl, October 5th. The boys will be there. We'll be watching Titans football. Listen, good, bad or different. We support them. Arizona Cardinals. Kyler Murray coming in.

Their secondary is really hurt. A couple of ACLs, maybe a little groin. James Connor yesterday goes down. That's a brutal, this is Tuesday. So two days ago goes down. That is hard to see. But if you're a Titans fan, hope, optimism, Brooklyn Bowl, Buston with the Boys, October fan.

That's exciting. Also, if you're here tuning in because Michigan won the Bustin Bowl, you're welcome. Michigan champ T's have dropped. They've been out since Monday at 10 a.m. You can see those BWT, dot com get your

Michigan Wolverine Buson Bowl champion t-shirts It's amazing and also the seven days still spookover I mean it could life get any better Will First day of fall Could life get any better

On Tuesday? On Monday. Monday as a recording first day And by the way we had our football recap show If you were wondering what we said about Bus Bowl college football world NFL world That show was released

yesterday on Monday. You can check that out with Greg Olson. We tap in, we check in with them on his middle school football team. And yeah, your boy's got a new look going on right now. Lost the bet, lost the bus and bowl. The vibes are as high as they can possibly be without a Nebraska win over the weekend.

I love that. You got to love that. Got to feel good about that. Yeah. I mean, fall coming up. We got to lick our wounds for a buy week so we don't get to take the field.

We don't get to get the bad taste out of our mouth right away, which is that sucks. Oh, that's good. That's a good thing. I know, I know. Again, you look back, 2020, 2012, Nebraska Corn Oscars. First four weeks, two and two.

We just got mopped. We got embarrassed by Ohio State. We had a by week to sulk in it. Bo Polini comes in. You guys want to shot it all for the Big Ten. You got a win out. You got a win out. What did you guys do?

We won out. Hell yeah, you did. Eight in a row. Eight in a row, we sprinkled off. Seven, seven, second-half comebacks. God. Britain spit. It's got juicy up a little bit.

We did get whooped in the Big 12JV. Didn't have to bring that up. I know. Didn't have to bring that up. Literally. Yeah, just live. But you're right.

It is good. The self-scouting, just as a fan, even as a player, you're like wanting to get back out on the field as fast as possible. You can't do it. You got to have some hard practices.

Right. Got to have some tough looks in the mirror. That's right. Who do you want to be coming out of this? That's right. This is a very long episode with Gary Brecker. But we always do tear talk during the week. We leave half of it for Monday's

weekend recap and then have a bit for the Tuesday episode. So we will get right into that. Let's talk about Joel Daddy at J underscore Hitch 15, whatever. Where does stuffed crust rank on the greatest food inventions of our time? It has to be up there. Hashtag Cher chalk. Do you remember being a child? I don't know if it was Domino's or Pizza Hut when they came out with that commercial and they talked about cheese, cheese, we want more cheese. And they lifted that month. their fucking beats up. And you see the cheese coming from the crust? I mean, I'm about six,

but I think it's when puberty started for me because of that commercial will. Yeah, I don't know where it would rank on the all-time. Let's see, let's just go ahead and say top five because emotionally, I'm a massive dipper. Many sauce, I'm talking scooping. Big dip boy. Big dip boy.

Yeah. Big dip Willie C is what they used to call me growing up. Yeah. Big dip Willie C. Watch out for the cheese crust around Willie C. Yeah, that's big dip. Willie C out there. You got to watch out for him.

Double dip. Double-dipping Willie Seat, too. Oh, shit. Double-dip and Willie Seed. Big dip Willie Seed don't care about germs. I love it. Now they're calling me double-dib dome right now. Double-diff dome.

Look at that fresh, clean head he's got right now. Watch out for a wissy. Loved, love stuffed crust. Absolutely love it. Anything in front of me that I can dip my mouth. My mouth is honestly water. Damn. I'm starving, too.

So this is actually a tough one. But it is up there. Thank you for that tear talk. We love any moment that you can shout out stuffed crust or any nostalgia. Again, this tear talks for anything. You got shout out, no free shoutouts. You got anything you want to get off your chest. Just put hashtag tear talk and we will cover it on the intro.

Shout out, no free shout out. Stuff crust pizza. Shout out, no free shout out, stuff crust pizza. Yes, absolutely. Here we go. I love this one because he, you know, he was in my, he was in my DMs with some apologies and we might be able to mend the bridge here. Oh, is this?

With a hater. This one comes to us from Joey Fax. Let's go, Joe 35T. I was wondering if we can open the negotiation window at Wilcompton, Taylor 1. What is one school the two of you would like to go to on your campus tour that you have not been on yet? At Bus with the Boys hashtag tier talk. What is one? I wasn't expecting the reneful thing.

I thought it was going to be like a negotiation window, follow, and stuff like that. Um, let's go each conference. I'll start in the big 10 because that's where the boys went to school. Penn State. Yeah, Penn State would probably be a great place to go check out. I would love to check out Penn State. Colt, though. Coltish.

That's okay. So is A&M and I enjoyed myself there. And we were looking forward day in it. Yeah. No matter if we thought it was weird or not, like it was still like you're, you're curious what the vibe is like. I would enjoy going to Penn State. It's all about immersing yourself in that culture.

Also, U.S. see I think would be awesome to go to in the Bay 10 because I remember being a young buck in Arizona going up to a couple of those things and seeing it when Pete Carroll was there and I just remember thinking like this school is so sick and the fact that's in the middle of Compton is just so crazy. Be very interesting to check that out. Wouldn't mind going up to the Northeast as well. I know there's a spicy team this year, Maryland. Very exciting to see. Yeah. That would be good. You said Maryland? Yeah. All the schools out there. I don't go about the Bay 10.

I'm just going to the Bay 10. Northwestern would be cool. Iowa? Yeah, no. I want to go to Iowa? Iowa City, actually. I heard a lot of good things about Iowa City. Iowa strikes me as a place, too.

It's like similar to Ann Arbor, Michigan, where it's like there's staple food places you can go to. That's like, if you're in Iowa City, you got to go here. They'll tell you Casey's gas station, baby. That's what they'll tell you? grew up on some Casey. Casey's is good. And there's just something about going to Iowa

and just getting some ringworm in the wrestling room. Yeah. Just go catch some ring. warm in the wrestling room. You know what is, I know this is about where we'd want to go. One place I would never want to go to is East Lansing, East Lansing, Michigan.

Yeah, I could see, I could see the, uh, East Lansing. It's a, it's a slum. It's a, ugh. Yeah. It's just like,

what do you guys have to offer? Nothing. What was it like? When we play there, actually the, the environment, I mean, it was all,

I played at Michigan, so obviously it was a much more hateful. They have a fun stadium. They have a fun stadium. It is loud. They do get rocking in Eastlant I will give them credit there But yeah

Fuck them ACC would love to go tour Even though they're down bad right now Clemson I was thinking Florida State would be awesome to go check out Oh yeah I was gonna say Florida State would be sick Oh you weren't there for that

Oh yeah you guys went to Florida State I forgot with that yeah okay then I'll dig down on Clemson I think that'd be cool I think it's nuts That you make your players run down that hill I think that is fucking crazy You're asking for a soft tish Miami be nasty too

I would love to see Miami. But yeah, good spot. SEC. This might be a dark horse or Kansas. Raise your backs. I think that would be. I know, but I heard it's awesome, bro.

Yeah, I heard it's sick. I'm saying there's nothing out there but Arkansas. Right. And that's kind of what you want. Like, that's what busts with the boys in the spring tour is kind of all about is like,

let us highlight you and what you guys have to offer. Because when the, when the common man thinks about Arkansas, you think about hunting and tornadoes. Like you're not really thinking about like what is Arkansas was it Fayette'sville Fayetteville have to like offer and so I think it's just like a sneaky little spot we've been to LSU we've been to Alabama game day experience Ole Miss yeah I heard it's very hoity-toity chandeliers at the tailgate type of eyes right let's wear a suit let's wear a suit love I kind of

I kind of mess with that we've been to Georgia what about Missouri Columbia Missou Missou Missou would be fun I've been to miss that's what I was thinking but that would be fun to bring the boys and like do a bus some of the boys experience. You got to bring Chandler. Yeah. Gotta bring Mike Chandler. Gotta bring Mike Chandler.

I think Gainesville, Florida, Florida Gators would be awesome as well. That would. Yeah. Oklahoma would rip. I mean, honestly, a lot of those SEC schools would be awesome.

To be honest, I feel like we're going to go through every conference and say all the schools like we already have. Yeah. We ain't going to Purdue. Buddy, no. We ain't going to Rutgers.

I will say this about Purdue. They have a great aviation school. When you go to a game against the boiler makers, you fly. And literally the stadium's right there. That's nice. Okay. That is nice.

Other than that, going back to Big Ten, what about Washington? Washington would be good, yeah. Washington would be fun because they, they tailgate on the water. They tailgate on water and their place gets loud as shit. Loud of shit.

It's all aluminum. All aluminum. It's smart, very smart. You know a school that needs us? Probably help them out a little bit. UCLA? We ain't going to UCLA. We ain't going to UCLA.

We go out to L.A. I mean, even USC, like, that would be cool to go to for the rich tradition and everything else. Yeah. With, like, the early 2000s, but we ain't going to L.A.

to check out some ball. No. You want to go see Ball. Yeah. You're going to. Oh, Oregon State. Oregon State.

Oh, Madison, Wisconsin. Yeah. The badges. What we're talking about? Yeah. That would rip. Because that would rip, they're down right now.

They're down. They have, like, I think it's like a weekend or a week. every year this isn't football related but like the lake freezes over and they literally just party like all it's like frat row and they just party on the lake all weekend yeah yeah i've heard like uh what what's the game it's like you want to go experience a night game at organ state is that a thing i don't think you want to experience anything at organ state right now

i've been to organ state they got some they got some of alice stadium renovation but uh i think washington's as far as like the northwest goes organ in washington yeah oregon washes is absolute i would love bust with the boys to get to a place where we can go to like some Mac schools. Check out some smaller schools. Miami of Ohio. Miami of Ohio. Ball State.

Go check them out a little bit. Who else is in there? Mountain West Conference. You go and check out Boise State. UNLV. Well, yeah, I'll go to UNLV. I'll be in UNLV the first weekend in October. Pop by there all the time.

Boise State would be cool. Boise State would be sick. It'd be fun to go check those schools out. We ain't training weekend to go to Ball State. I'm telling you right. Yeah, you're right. You are right. You are right.

What about going out to like Hawaii or something? Yeah, it's just to travel. Like, that's the first thing I think of. They just don't take their ball serious out there. No, they don't.

There's some... You don't go where people take their ball serious. I heard a rumor about Hawaii is you can't go on an official business there unless you're committed. That's what I heard. Well, it's probably so expensive to fly the recruits out there. Anybody who offers them, they're probably like,

yeah, I want to go to Hawaii. Yeah, good one right now. Oh, Lubbock, Texas. Texas Tech. Yeah.

They would go nuts. Yeah. Texas Tech would be sick to go check out. Utah would be cool too. BYU. Oh, BYU. I don't know. I would just love to go to a game at their stadium.

I've heard that. The Gatorian environment. Iowa State. I would be fun. I would say it would be great. I would be fun. A lot of schools out there would want to check out. A lot of schools you want to check out.

Great question, Joey Fats. Yeah. And thank you for showing up to the show too. I know you have. You've always been a supporter of ours sometimes. you've gotten a little nasty. Got a little nasty. And I hate when you come at the boys.

Not the boys like us, but when I see you coming out, even our boys in the back of the bus at certain times where you think you might in your head think you're trolling, but it doesn't come off as trolling. That's what chaps my ass. Now, Joey Fats was at the live show

in Lincoln, Nebraska, at the Rococo Theater, which, by the way, was an incredible showing by everybody. Thank you, everybody for coming. Joey Fats is right there, left of stage, front row. Front row.

And his ass got called out. Will pointed him and goes, I know who you are. Yeah. So we brought his ass up. first saying to give a call. He seemed like he realized he fucked up a little bit. He turned a corner. I think he's

hoping. Joey Fats, turning. I think he's in the middle. He got the blinker on. He got the blinker on. For us observing, it seems like he's got the blinker on. I think he's turning a corner for sure. His actions in the next couple of weeks, that'll show a lot. Hey, it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast for people can call in and say, Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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As somebody who creates shows, I'll even say this. At the end of the day, when people are at home, they want entertainment. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Next one comes from Michael. And by the way, hey, that, uh, that live show was incredible. Yeah, it was. I'm saying the live show was incredible with the, with the birthday cake and then the surprise with Connor Stallions coming up. The video. The video. The voice put together for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The last part of the video. when it's Charo and your kids.

I don't know why. I'm sitting over there getting choked up. Yeah, yeah. I'm sitting there like, fuck. Not even my kids. They live 10 minutes away from me. Because you know the players too. It's like, hey, you mind doing a birthday video?

Like, fuck it, what the hell do you do? Yeah, that's well, I don't want to point it out during a live show, but seeing Rayola's execution on that because I saw this video before. I was like, they're losing. This is your hero. And you're going to, hey, man, we're going to get done this. They were focused. They were focused, man.

Happy, happy birthday. Well, good out there. Oh, no. I was like, oh, fuck, Dylan. Come on, baby. I was trying to take shots in my boys. No, no. I, if you watch a reaction show, if you watch a reaction show,

you watch me jumping in on Matt Ruhl's podcast. Like, I know people are mad at me for playing heel this weekend, which is the only choice I really had. I'm a huge fan of Nebraska. I'm a huge fan of the people. I'm a huge fan of the culture that Matt Ruhl is establishing there. Like, yeah, I don't think you're going to beat my team. Sue me.

Like, I think my team's best. better than yours. Sue me, you know? I think we should have pulled away that game multiple times. Sue me. But like I love Lincoln, Nebraska. And I love these 17-year-old kids. Can I tell your story? Go ahead. During the thing, there was a, there was a guy, like, I was walking by four gentlemen that are also on the sidelines in the end zone side by the student section. And one guy goes, hey, you're going to have a long day today. But he says it with a zero conviction. So I tell him, hey, what's your name? Is that my name's John. Hey, John, good to meet you. Hey, here's what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to actually take 10 steps back. I'm going to redo it. But when

you say it, say it like you fucking mean it. And he's like, you don't got to do that. I said, let's do it real quick. So I went and did it. He's like, you guys have a long fucking day today. That's my boy. So we're getting better talking shit in Nebraska. We're getting better. And I do. I do love, I do love Nebraska. Um, at M15 Casper. This is Michael Casper. He says, at Taylor 1, hashtag tier talk, favorite bust and bowl victories. The next one. that's my favorite one. But if you're going to go off these last four in a row,

it's three. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. We've won five in a row. So you're right. Only three bussen. I would say this one. Because this is the closest,

truly this is the closest to these two teams have been from a competitive standpoint. And I said it in the intro, it's like every time the old Nebraska would falter and Michigan would pull away, Nebraska figured,

out a way to stay in the game the whole time. And I think that's impressive. I know it didn't go the way Nebraska wanted, but at the other day, like, you could tell the culture's in a right spot. So this one, because that is the most competitive Nebraska football team I've seen. Dustin Krum,

tear talk, you guys keep killing it, take away the sports, what you do for myself and a lot of men just give us the escape from reality. You boys are special, keep crushing it. Go Gamecocks. Dustin, thank you for your kind words, bro. Go Cox. I appreciate it.

Yeah. There was a, we did a meet and greet after our live show and that one guy came up to us. Was it his dad passing away? Yeah. Or someone, he just said like,

regardless of all the things that have happened in my life, listening to you guys, helped me. And anytime that type of conversation, and you got to catch us just right, right? Like, it's a long day. He sits there and tells us this story and there was two long hugs from both of us.

And I just think to myself, like, it's crazy to think that this show does that for people. Yeah. And because at the end of the day, like this was built to have fun and sometimes you realize like people just need to laugh just got to laugh and have a good time so we had we had one gentleman who had uh lost his uh seven month old that i could have cried right there sherman had a couple pt6 moments where it's just like you're just like reading a comment a dude had me uh we're at the fence talking him and his wife

were massive fans and watch for the dads every week and stuff like that and he's just talking to me about dad left i like buddy you got you got to stop i got the eyes starting to gloss over right now and then that one cat who was at the meet and greet talking about his seven-month-old is like a obviously it's like a tear-jurker but thank you thank you for your comment Dustin you are the man bro um Brian Alfa row at B underscore alpha 14 says favorite Will Compton crash out hashtag tier talk favorite will Compton crash out I have one like that came to mind but I don't know if it was like it was when you two fought on the bus because that was crazy that was crazy

fought on the bus when we fight that was like all will too that was like too that was when uh taylor was pointing in your face like you didn't get 10 and you were like get your finger out of my face and then taylor just poked the bear some more and then i'm also eight weeks removed

from an ACL surgery this was like two years ago yeah was that the hand fighting yeah yeah yeah that's no that's when you stood up and embodied an injured individual like literally i still had handicapped sticker in my car. Taylor, you also did go for the throat.

Yeah, I had to protect myself. What was this fight over? Some bullshit. I can't even remember. Do you remember? Yeah, it was about 10 years in the league. Oh, yeah, that is exactly what it was. It's literally in our intro for the show.

Yeah. I said something about Will Play 8, and he got on my ass about it. And I just kind of kept going. I had to find out. I had to find out. That, yeah. What's a good Will Compton crash out, though? They usually got to be over Nebraska.

That's what I'm trying to think of. I think the picture of you laying in the road was all time. Yeah. I think when Nebraska lost to UCLA last year, that was a good crashout moment for Will. I don't know. Grant Short, I got one here. Hashtag Tier Talk.

When do people start to rank Jalen Hertz in the top five at the quarterback position? Never. Yeah, I think it's tough, man You can't, like, argue with his resume He's a Super Bowl champion Was he the MVP at the Super Bowl last year? I think Sequin was. Sequin?

Sequin. He's just, he's on an incredible team. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think it's hard. It's like, yeah, when he starts, like, peppering, throwing, like, just winning through the air at all times and he gets into those actual MVP conversations,

I think is when he's, like, a top five quarterback. But right now it's like, you know, Now I'm not saying he's not good. I'm not saying he's not top five. I think just being in the overall universal top five category for all of national media and for all the people. Like he's got to be out of here slinging the rock, which he doesn't have to because he has Sequan Barclay.

I'm not saying he can't do it. Just saying he just, like it just doesn't happen on the feeling. Right. Jalen Hurts is in a very unique situation where all these like top five quote quarterbacks, the Josh Allen, the Joe Burroughs, the Patrick Mahomes, the Lamar Jackson's. Josh Al, yeah. Yeah, that was the first person I said.

When you look at them, it's like, they do it because their team needs them to do it. Jalen Hurts is a part of a team that they don't necessarily, I mean, they went to no without him throwing a touchdown. First time in 15 years, anybody was able to do that. Like,

he doesn't need to be Superman just yet to be successful. And so does it hinder the conversation when we were talking about a top five quarterback? Maybe, probably. But, and the day you got aliens, like you work with what you're given. And so the Eagles are nasty.

Right. Like, you can play the hypotheticals all day long. You just don't, like, you just don't know. It's like if he was in the Baker situation, is he going and doing what Baker's doing with the Buccaneers with that squad? I'm not saying they're a bad squad,

but it's like, is he, that's where Baker starts to come into these conversations because he's just winning games, game winning drives, slinging the rock all around the yard. Baker's putting the team on his back. I don't think Jalen has ever really, all right, I'm going to take this game over.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those were the three I had No, hold on Those are the ones that's a lot Can My Uber Eats is outside

Can somebody go grab that I can grab it You should have? Yeah You don't mind This tier talk comes from At Jesse Z Who's stopping Michigan from being 10 and 1 When the Buckeyes go to Ann Arbor

I mean Schedule You can't ever have any guarantees or anything. Who are like the big games for you guys? We got Wisconsin, then we got USC, and then I believe we have someone else. We got Maryland on the schedule, Michigan State.

To be honest, like, if Michigan is going to do, Michigan's in a good position to be 10-1, going to Ohio State. And then we all know how the last four years have worked. So really, you guys are on the road at USC. On the road at USC is the biggest test. You don't have Penn State? Nope.

You don't have Oregon? Nope. Indiana. Nope. Do you have Washington? Yes, we do at home. Washington is not bad. Washington's not bad, but I love the fact that it's at home.

Yeah, 100%. And the last one I have is from sad underscore vol. Can you talking to Mike? Sad underscore Vol at Joe 866-98983. Hashtray tier chop. Top three hottest bald dudes. Top three hottest bald dudes. Will.

Will looks hot. Jason Statham. I was thinking Jason Statham. Josh Pate's a handsome boy with the bald head. Vinny D. Vin Diesel? The Rock? The Rock? The Rock is one.

Yeah, the rock. Well, Will's one. The Rock's two. What about, like, can we pick, like, people that have been bald? Like, what about Professor X? In the... Professor X? Charles Xavier.

Yeah, yeah. John Travolta. Yeah. He's bald now. He is bald. Yeah. If you took Greece, John Travolta, and made him bald, then he's number one. Number one.

So there's that. A handsome boy. Yeah. You wanted three. We gave you six. Boys, I hope you feel good about it. I feel good about it as well. Gary Breka.

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100%. So in 2018, Will came from the Washington commanders to the Tennessee Titans. Right then and there, we met in the breakfast chow hall, became best friends. One of the foundational pieces of our friendship was a thing we like to call a countabilla buddy. There was guys like Ben Greenfield, Andrew Huberman. Andrew Huberman. He wasn't on the scene. Yeah, he wasn't in the scene.

Ben Greenfield was a big one. Obviously, we were big into Rogan and all these other podcasts. but we took a lot of these biohacking thoughts and, you know, things that people do. We would do sauna protocols, cold tub protocols, and we keep each other accountable during that process. So a lot of our friendship and the foundation is a lot of what you do. That's great, man. Which is incredible to have you on. And I know a lot of athletes take that into their own hands.

You know, I've worked with a lot of professional athletes. It's kind of astounding to me how little some of these billion-dollar franchises do for players off the field when it when it comes to recovery and nutrition and sleep and supplementation. It's kind of left to the guys at the highest end of the game that just want the best of the best for themselves. They just take it into their own hands. Like, you know, Tom Brady travel with his own trainer, you know, travel with his own food because it just wasn't available to them. Now, I don't know if that's changing. I think that it should change.

I sit on the board of the NFL alumni Association Athletica. And I see a lot of these guys after the game, the repetitive use injuries and the, you know, the wear and tear that they've had. I'm sure that both of you guys have plenty of nips and bibbles going on in your body somewhere. But at the highest, highest end, they just take the responsibility into their own hands. Yeah, it's each. I mean, obviously, NFL, it's a business. And they're trying to figure out the best ways to make the most money without putting them as much as they can into all the players. They want them to be successful.

But when it comes to recovery, taking care of your body, withstanding 20 weeks of what people call a car accident every Sunday. Yeah. That's really put on the players. Yeah. And what you're able to do. And it's like diet is one thing, nutrition, cold tubs, saunas, then there's red light. One thing that I've realized is like there's always another layer. Oh yeah.

And so like for you, if you're speaking to the athletes right now, how far do we have to go here? Like, because there's always once you figure out, okay, I'm healthy. I'm now eating, putting this in my foods or a little more nutrients here. Okay, now I realize I can go and do NAD. And then there's ozone. Then there's hyperbaric chambers. Hey, I'm a big coffee guy. There's a certain bean.

Yeah, exactly. There's always another 1% edge that you're trying to chase. Yeah. Yeah. And if I'm like in my first year in the NFL or I'm a freshman or I'm whatever I am and I am in the pursuit of being an elite athlete, what are some non-negotiables that you'd say if you don't do anything at all do this? So three absolute non-negotiables.

First of all, sleep is our human superpower. I knew you're going to say that. That is the, that is the hard. It's also the hardest. I know. Sleep water. Yeah. Walk.

Yeah. It makes you a brisk walk. Nasally. I'd love to say, you know, it's the red light bed. It's the supplements that I manufacture. It's a specific test. It's NED. It's, you know, rest veritral, co-Q-10.

It's not, you know, if you look at the big data, right? I mean, if you look at blue zones, for example, what is extending life the longest? You know, it's not keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian. It's not dogmatic dieting. It's eating whole foods. It's the absence of processed foods. If you look at the non-negotiables in those areas of the world, too, you see that it's sense of community, sense of purpose, like what you guys were doing with each other, supporting each other,

building a real community inside of your community, that is incredibly important to your success. It's actually incredibly important to the way that your brain is wired. It actually gives you the why. And then I would say start with your sleep. And sleep is the most bullied thing in our schedule, right? I mean, a lot of guys, when they get to an elite level of competition, there is some genetic component. They have some natural talent, right? And I mean, obviously they didn't get there without working hard. But the first thing to go is sleep. And if you think about everybody knows sleep is important, but nobody tells you why. Right. And there's two areas of sleep. There's REM sleep and there's deep sleep that are critically important. So during REM sleep, this is when you're assembling

your memory. All the things that you learned during the day, maybe you learned at practice, routes that you were running, you know, new plays that you're getting ready to run. Anything that is newly learned during the day gets assembled during REM sleep. So your hippocampus, your memory, your memory and your prefrontal cortex get together and they get to talk for the first time without interruption, right? Normally what's happening is you have all this noise coming in all day long. I mean, you're at practice, you're catching balls, you're being dictated to, you're moving around, you're traveling, you're packing your bag. So there's all this noise coming into the brain. REM sleep at night, you assemble these memories. Once you assemble memories, you actually start to get

to what's called fine motor skills. And the difference between a good athlete and a great athlete, is the last five yards. It's hand eye, coordination, speed, timing, and agility. You already have the strength, right? You already have the know-how. But that last little edge, hand-eye coordination, speed, timing, and agility, that's the difference between a good athlete and a great athlete. And the second part of sleep is your deep sleep.

And what happens during deep sleep, if you've heard of the lymphatic system, you know, we've got lymph nodes, your lymph nodes swell when you get a sore throat. Well, you have a lymphatic system in the brain, called the glimphatic system. The only time that that system is active, really active, is during deep sleep. So what's happening during deep sleep is that glymphatic system is draining all the waste from the brain. And by waste, I mean cellular waste. So you want to be sharp. You want to be acute. You want to be on your game. You want to have good hand-eye, coordination, speed, timing, agility. You practice sleep. You actually, you schedule, like right now, one of the great

things about being semi-successful in this industry is we made a decision two and a half years ago that we would schedule all of our meetings and travel around sleep and exercise. Full stop. So I don't schedule travel and meetings ahead of my sleep. I schedule sleep, exercise, and then meetings and travel. So if somebody wants to hire me to speak at 8.30 in the morning, I won't take the gig. I mean, I'm like, I'll speak at 10.30. I'll speak at 11 because that first hour of the day, you know, belongs only.

to me. I give the rest of my day away, but I'm selfish about that first hour of the day. So number one, it would be, it would be sleep. Number two, and this is the most overlooked thing I think in all of modern medicine and all of modern sports, is we don't cater to the 70% of our circulation that is not done by the heart. If you ask 1,000 people, how much blood is circulated by the heart? They'd say 100%. Our heart circulates all the blood in our body. It doesn't. It only circulates 30% of the blood in your body. 70% of your circulation is macrobascular, right? It's as small or smaller than a human hair. So 70% of the blood moving around your body, including your brain and all your fine motor skills and your muscles, it's not done by the heart. It's done by an activity called vaso motor.

So how do I cater to vaso motor? How do I actually get that edge? How do I get into that 70% of my circulation that nobody else is paying attention to? You do things like hydrate, hydrate with hydrogen gas, hydrogen water. You can use elemental magnesium. tablets. I mean, if you talked to Tom Brady, he had a hydrogen water bottle with him 24-7 everywhere that he went, still does to this day. He's always carrying that thing around. It's like his blankie. Because that caters to the vaso motor. That switches the lights on. And it's dirt cheap. You can travel with it. You can get an elemental magnesium tablet. You can drop it into water. You can get a hydrogen water bottle. You can consume that type of water because all these big brands,

you know, that are the best known brands, they're not the best brands for you. They're not in service to your cellular biology. So you're right about hydration, but you can be super smart about hydration, put hydrogen gas into the body. And then you've got to cover the basics of essential amino acids, which is very hard to get from your diet. I mean, most people think amino acids are proteins. They're not. They're the building blocks of proteins. When you had the right amount of amino acids in your body, you're not just building muscle. You're building everything else, connective tissue. You see, if I was to say, what's the biggest problem? in the NFL that is preventable, it's non-contact injuries.

Right? You can't have a star running back blowing an Achilles heel coming in off the sideline to get in the game to start. You know, traumatic injuries, there's not a lot you can do about those, right? I mean, if your foot's planted and you get a hard enough lateral check, there goes your ACL, right? But you shouldn't be blasting down the field and cut left, you know, in a route and cut a 90-degree turn and blow an Achille, you know, blow an ACL. You shouldn't blow an Achilles heel coming in off the sideline. That tells me that we're not catering to that to that last five yards.

And then the final thing I would say is, and this is hard when you're on the road, but if I was only to have one modality, it would probably be red light. Because the science on red light is absolute, just like the science on saunas. I think that, you know, when you're eliminating waste, when you're circulating all of that stuff and put using your skin as a secondary route of waste elimination. When you're clean, you're performing. So I would say sauna or red light, hydrogen gas, and focusing on sleep. When say you're talking to an athlete and they say they get between like eight, nine hours

of sleep at night, but they haven't seen how effective they are at sleeping. What would you recommend to those athletes go and do? Is it a sleep study? Is it something, is it a wearable that they can use? But something that tells them that they're effectively or sleeping correct? Yeah, it's a wearable. You need to get data. What you don't measure, you can't change, right? And so if it's an aura ring, if it's a whoop, if it's a fit bit, something to give you data on what really causes you to achieve deep sleep. Because you'll see that every time I drink alcohol, 100% of the time, it's going to interrupt my sleep. If I... Like two, sometimes three days. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. And not for the reasons that you think. It's actually not the alcohol. It's what the alcohol becomes. You see, alcohol's methamalcohol's methamptus. You see, alcohol's methamal. into something called acetyl aldehyde.

So the liver takes alcohol, turns it into something called acetyl aldehyde. What this does is it drops the pH of the blood. So the pH range of the blood is very narrow. Your performance range is between like 7.2, 7.8. If you're in that range and you're slightly alkaline, that is your performance zone. Soon as you become acidic, I mean, the whole pain from a hangover is from the, it's not only the dehydration. It's from the acetylalal.

It's from the drop in pH of your blood. That's why you can stop a hangover in its tracks if you drink hydrogen water. If you actually put on a nasal cannulous and just breathe a little oxygen, you'd raise the pH of the blood. A nasal what? A nasal cannulous, like a little. You ever seen the like an oxygen concentrator? Yeah, like a little oxygen tank and it runs into your nose. You put it over your ears and you just ran some oxygen.

And you're saying you get rid of a hangover by putting that and drinking hydrogen water. If you took a 10 ounce glass of water, and then you put an elemental magnesium tablet, a hydrogen water tablet in there. It's about 12 parts per million hydrogen. You added to that a mineral salt, like a Celtic salt, Paha gold salt, or a really good mineral salt, and even a Redmond Sea salt. If you put sea salt, hydrogen water, a 10 ounce glass of water, drank that back and ran 15 minutes of oxygen. I don't care how bad your hangover is. It would be over inside of 20 minutes. Interesting.

I might be back, boys. I feel like somebody just ordered an oxygen tank. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I have two kids. And as my kids started to get older and they wanted to consistently play, I would notice if I had like one, two, even like three drinks. Yeah. The next day, I feel like a bag of dicks. I just feel terrible. And I'm like, now I'm sitting on the couch. I'm more like distracted by my phone. I'm allowing the distractions to take over because I'm trying to get away from the pain that I'm essentially feeling. Yeah. And not being like,

you know, the fun dad, which is kind of what everybody wants to be. Yeah. So I was like, all right, I'm going to kind of step away from drinking a little bit where I don't do it so much anymore. and it's made it way easier. But if you're saying we've got hacks out there. Now we're starting to reevaluate, re-change, right? Yeah. We're trying to move it down a little bit. Yeah, and if you think about it, you know, most people think that the pain's coming from

their brain, you know, you get a headache and you think your brain hurts. You know, you feel like the pain's behind your eyes or you feel like it's in your temples. You got to remember the brain actually has no pain receptors. The brain has actually not capable of generating a pain signal. So your hangover is actually not coming from your brain. It's coming from the covering of the brain. There's something called the Dura, which is like a saran wrap, which is stretched over the top of the brain. And the Dura hates two things.

It hates being stretched and it hates being contracted. So what causes it to stretch or contract is sodium gradient and water. So the first thing that happens when you get a hangover is you're dehydrated, but your sodium and electrolytes drop. And so the Dura shrinks and now you've got a brutal headache. It's like, you know, all over. And that pain's not coming from your brain. So as soon as you restore that gradient, the pain's gone. You wouldn't believe how many.

In fact, there's a clinical study. It was in the Wiley Journal of headaches, if you guys want to look it up, if you're a science nerd like I am. And they took about 8,600 participants that suffered from chronic migraines. And these were migraines that weren't responding to traditional narcotics, weren't responding to injections of Botox. You know, they actually will inject Botox sometimes to try to stop migraines. And they put them on a.

mineral salt. I'm talking about a $5 bag, $10 bag of mineral salt that had all 91 trace minerals, something like Celtic or Baja Gold Sea salt. They added that to water. In the majority of those cases, migraines went permanently into remission. So you can do the same thing with hangovers. Right. I mean, it's like, it's, what's astounding is if you want to see magic happen in human beings, you just give their body the raw material it needs to do its job. Everybody wants a really, really cool, unique special hack. And I think there's some incredible science on longevity now. But by the time that you're flirting with stem cells and exosomes and natural killer cells and really advanced modalities, you got to cover the basics, you know. And so it just takes

everything back to sleep, getting processed foods out of your diet. That will slow you down, making sure that you're hydrated. You meet the minimum amino acid requirement. You get all 91 trace minerals in a mineral salt and I'd tell you men you'd see you would see game-changing performance in the upper echelon of athletes just by closing that last five years. You bring up all the like extracuruclars, the exosomes, the stem cells, the IVs, all those things. Is it fair to say or is it too dramatic to be like if you're not taking care of what you just about the whole foods and taking care of the raw minerals, then that's just a waste of money? Yeah. I mean, you hear people say all the time. You can't diet your way around

poor sleep, right? You can't exercise your way around a poor diet. So if you line those things up, your training is ostensibly, if you're an elite athlete, your training's already on point, right? You're training not to hurt yourself. You're probably doing position training for whatever sport you're playing. So in strength and conditioning now, I think has hit its ceiling, meaning we know about as much about muscle hypertrophy and muscle hyperplasia and recovery as we're going to know. trainers are pretty much in place everywhere you look for those things. Yeah. No professional sports team or very unlikely that a professional sports team has really, really

shitty strength and conditioning coaches, right? These guys know what they're doing. They've forgotten more about strength and conditioning than I'll ever know. Right. So that's not the area where you get the edge. The area where you get the edge is being in service to your cellular biology, making sure you are hydrated. You're getting the basics like deep sleep.

Stop putting processed foods in your diet. You know, the biggest, the most prevailing theory in aging now, if you were to take the top 50 scientists, MDs, PhDs, researchers in the world, put them all in a room and get them to agree on one thing, they would all agree that aging is something called immunophatee. We are slowly and progressively overwhelming our immune system to the point where it can no longer defend us. If you take an infant and you would pull their blood, you would find that about 65% of what their immune system is doing is protecting the baby. By the time you get to be my age, I'm in my mid-50s, by the time you get to be in your 40s, only about 35% of the immune system is protecting you. The rest of the time, it's fighting all this bullshit, glyphosates, paraquots, microplastics, bisphenols, just all the nonsense that we are putting into our body that is causing the

immune system get distracted. Then what happens? Circulating tumor cells slips by. Now you got calling cancer. Every person listening to this podcast right now at some point in their life has had something called a circulating tumor cell, meaning a circulating, it's a cancer cell. But the immune system saw it and just took it out. Right. So if we can keep our immune system on our side, that's where you really start talking about extending, you know, lifespan. man. Do you ever get resistant to the term biohacking? Yeah. Being in your line of work because biohacking to the masses, it's like, you know,

biohacking or doctors could see him back, this is like a shortcut guy. Yeah. Talk about your resistance to the term biohacking. Hold on. I officially feel bad about his intro calling him one of the best biohackers. When you were saying biohackers, I'm thinking of my head. I'm like, I wonder if he enjoys. The biohackers.

Because I can understand why that would be. Makes sense to us. It's like, oh, biohacker. Dumb brain. are like biohacking makes sense to a cultured mind like this. The people in this industry and feel that I'm sure they probably are like, oh, here we go. No, not at all.

You know, I think, you know, what's amazing is, you know, we get attacked a lot by the, by, call it mainstream media, mainstream modern medicine, but the data is not on the side of modern medicine, right? I mean, we in this country, we spend $5 trillion a year on health care. We are the sickest, fatest, most disease-ridden nation in the world. You know, we, as Americans, we lead the world in six things. We lead the world in infant mortality. We lead the world in maternal mortality.

We lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, and multiple chronic disease in the same body. And but yet we spend $5 trillion a year on health care. And, you know, even in my industry, a lot of the big biohackers will attack me sometimes because I'm talking about the basics of human physiology. And they're like, well, there's no randomized clinical trial that's been peer reviewed that proves that proves that proves parachutes either. But we have data, right? Nobody's going to jump out of an airplane without a parachute.

But we've never done a clinical study with a control group where we had a bunch of people jump out with one and without one. We'd have real. Right. Who wants to be in that control group? Sorry, Stan. You get the nap-tack in the Bible. Well, then this group over here gets the parachute. But the point is, like, very often we have real data.

We've done 276,000 randomized clinical trials in this country. And that's the gold standard of medicine. And yet it's led us to be the sickest, fatest, most disease are a nation in the world. And so you don't find it there. You find, you know, the best of human performance and longevity in the basics. And the truth is most people are just not new in the basics. But I don't mind that term biohacking. I mean, you know, I never had the luxury in my entire career of having access to chemicals

and pharmaceuticals and synthetics. You know, I always had to find ways to restore good function in the body by just giving it back the raw material it needs to do its job. You know, it's funny, we believe this in plant physiology, right? If you had a leaf, let's say, rotting in a palm tree and you called a true arborist, like a true botanist out to your house. They wouldn't even touch the leaf. They would core test the soil.

And there we go, you know what? There's no nitrogen in this soil. They would add nitrogen to the soil and the leaf would heal, right? Human beings are no different, right? There's not a single compound known to mankind. There is no protein, mineral, vitamin, amino acid. There's no nutrient of any kind that we put into the human body that gets used in the form that we put it in.

Without a single exception, everything that goes into our body gets converted into the usable form. It goes through a process of being converted so the body can use it. This process is called methylation. So like you take folic acid, the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet, the body converts it into methylfolate. If you don't have methylfolate, because your body can't make this conversion, what happens? Well, now you're walking around with anxiety. You're walking around with mood numbness. Your gut motility is off. So now you have gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, irritability, cramping. So what do you do? You start doing food allergy testing and food sensitivity testing. Nothing seems to work. I eat the same thing Monday. I blow up like a

tick. I eat the exact same thing on Wednesday and I'm fine. Well, that can't be a food allergy. So very often what happens in human beings is we get nutrient deficient. And then all of a sudden we have the expression of this deficiency over here. Like I'm walking around with this like generalized anxiety. Like I don't know why, like always feel anxious. I always feel this sense of being of anxiety. I'm sure there's listeners of yours listening to this podcast right now. They're like, dude, that's exactly how I feel. Well, if you have anxiety and you can't point to the specific trigger, like, I get it. If you're, if you're afraid of heights and you walk to the edge of a 30th floor balcony, I expect you to feel anxious. If you're claustrophobic and you step on a crowded elevator,

Okay, I expect you to feel anxiety. But if you're just chilling having a podcast like we're doing right now or you're sitting back here like these guys are right here and there's no presence of a fear and you're just all of a sudden overwhelmed by anxiety, which 65% of Americans say they are, that is you don't have a mental illness or a mood disorder. You have a nutrient deficiency. And that's how the body expresses itself. So like modern medicine wants to come in with chemicals, with synthetics, with pharmaceuticals.

You know, I sit on Bobby Kennedy's committee. So it's called Maha action. And it's really just trying to address the amount of poisons and pesticides and herbicides and just chemicals and bullshit that is in the everyday diets of Americans, like slowly micropoisoning ourselves to death. These big companies like ChemChina, which make chemicals like periquot, which is an insecticide, by the way, is banned in China. So imagine you're a Chinese chemical manufacturing company

and your country doesn't allow you to sell this chemical. Yeah. Because they know how bad it is. Right. So guess what they do? They export it to the U.S. Right. And we buy billions and billions of metric tons of this shit. We spray it on our crops. And then they lobby our congressmen to give them indemnity from harm caused to our citizens for things that are outlawed in their own country. It's mind-numbing how far we've gone down the road of just allowing poisons and toxins into our food supply and we're walking around where the sickest, fatest, you know, disease ordination in the country, the highest rates of childhood cancer. Nobody's just talking about basic physical education in the public school system, you know. Right, right. Like most a lot of these public schools like remove physical education and replaced it with DEI programs, right?

So they would become more diverse and more sensitive to other people's feelings. But you can't put a nine-year-old boy in a chair for seven hours and have him stare at them. You've got to rip around. Yeah. I let him go break something. Yeah. You've got to break. So they got to hit each other with sticks.

They've got to run around the sunlight. I feel like there's any intention by the healthcare system to keep us sick. Well, you know, I feel like ironically, the food and drug administration is called the food and drug administration because the food leads to the drugs. and very often, if we just cleaned up the food supply, when you think that the United States is ranked 66th in the world in life expectancy. So I used to be a mortality researcher. So we used to take 10 years of medical records and 10 years of demographic data, and we would predict how many more months you had left on earth for big life insurance policies,

like $25 million, $50 million life insurance policies or big annuities. And if you took all of that research and you boiled it down to its simplest form, it would be that the reason why most Americans are not living healthier, happier, longer, more fulfilling lives are because of what we called modifiable risk factors. Like diet and lifestyle changes that you could make tomorrow that would dramatically extend your life. So I do feel like, you know, when these, when 74% of our nutritional research is funded by big food, you get a food pyramid that says Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak. That's how you get this shit. It's crazy with that pyramid because I remember that bastard being elementary school. I remember Joe Rogan talked about in health class. Yeah, that was the first thing you learned about.

And then having like your bases, your carbs and the sugars and all the things. And it's like sitting there being like, yeah, this is it. This is what they're telling me. And now I'm sitting here at 34 years old and everyone's like, yeah, proven. That's incorrect. Proven it should actually just be flipped upside down. Yeah, we've gotten so much wrong about basic human physiology. Dude, our liver makes cholesterol.

85% of cholesterol in your blood is made by your liver. But the conspiracy theory says, was it accidental or was it on purpose? Right. It's like, why did we get it wrong? Right. Well, the reason why. How do you get it wrong? And how did America be the one to get it wrong?

Yeah. You have all these other countries. All these things happen. I go to my wife is from Canada. I go to Canada, I grab a ketchup bottle, a Heinz ketchup bottle. The ingredients list is a third the size of it as in America. How did this get lost in translation? Well, if you think about how the whole system is structure, I mean, first of all, if you're a pharmaceutical company, you make chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals that go into hundreds of millions of human beings.

You have no fiduciary responsibility to those people. So I make a chemical that's going to be injected into your bloodstream. I have no fiduciary to you. Who's my fiduciary to? my investor. I can actually go to prison if I do not make a return for my investor. If I don't do what's in the best interest of my investor, well, my investor also doesn't have a fiduciary duty to you. So my duty is not to make the cleanest, healthiest products. My duty is to make the biggest profit. If I don't create the biggest profit, I can actually face criminal prosecution. I will likely not,

and you can look at the history of all of these big settlements, I will likely not face criminal prosecution for harming you or your family or for millions of people, but I can go to jail if I don't get a return on investment for my investor. And then you stack that on top of the fact that we have slowly over time, we have done what I call, we have socialized the expense and privatized the profit. So what I mean by that is if you are a food manufacturer or chemical company or pharmaceutical company, largely your profit comes from the taxpayer because who pays for product, Medicaid or Medicare, who funds Medicaid or Medicare, the taxpayer. Okay, so the taxpayer that all of us in this bus right now, we're paying taxes into the system. The system is compensating

private companies to their balance sheet for making chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals. And so the public provides the payment and private industry collects the profit. And so once you design a system like that, and then you allow them to love them to live. lobby to the point where they're indemnified from known harm. There is no other industry there where you can manufacture a product that knowingly causes harm and continue to manufacture it without any risk or obligation. I mean, if you're general motor, I mean, how many cars have you heard recalled in your lifetime? You know, it's like, well, Mitsubishi, you know, the brakes freeze. Okay, well, they recall all those cars and they fix that shit, right? You know, every time

And the Tesla catches fire, they recall those Tesla's and they fix that battery problem. If you're, if you're, if you make synthetics and chemicals and pharmaceuticals, you can harm as many people as you want. You're indemnified from that harm. So the incentive is not there to help people. The incentive is there to drive profits. And it's, you know, it's, it's sad. If we, if you think that some sub-Saharan South African nations that do not have clean water and sanitation

are living longer than the average American, you realize how upside down the system is. Right. You know, and everyone listening to the show has either has been or has a loved one or someone they know that has gone into that system and they become a statistic of that system because the third leading cause of death in the United States is medical error. So imagine if you applied that to any other industry, right? Imagine if you were like, I don't know, you sold home security systems, but you were the third

leading cause of home invasion. You're like, you'd be out of business pretty fast. Pretty fast. Yeah, but in the healthcare system and they're like, great. You know, this is keep pushing. Yeah, keep pushing. That's why I'm so on board with Bobby Kennedy's agenda. Yeah, talk to me about that a little bit.

Obviously, the administration only took over January 20th. So there's still a lot of unpacking that you guys have to do. But when you sit in this chair right now in the middle of August, what is like maybe the number one thing you've identified that you have to get out of the American diet? Well, you know, this. So what's really interesting about the. Make America healthy again, the Baja movement, if you will, which is an apolitical movement. You know, you took people from two polar opposite ends of the spectrum.

Like, if you got Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump outside of making kids and Americans healthy, they probably wouldn't agree on a single thing, you know, like big oil, food, agriculture, green energy. But in the area where we're in service to our children and in service to the health of Americans, there's broad agreement. And all Bobby is trying to do. do and is say, we should hold pharmaceutical companies to the same standard that we hold every other product or service that is going to go into somebody's body. We should do the same level

of rigorous testing. We're not anti-vax. We are just pro-research to make sure that they're safe and effective. When the vaccine started, for example, they said, oh, it prevents the infection. Great. You can get vaccinated. You don't get COVID. And a few months later, we're like, well, you do actually get COVID. And they're like, well, it prevents the spread. And then a few months later, we're like, huh, didn't really prevent that spread. And then they were like, well, it reduces the risk of severe complications. And then like, take this other one, get a booster. Shit, it actually doesn't reduce the risk of severe complications. Well, what does it do? Well, it makes a hell of a profit. That's what it does. And, and so, you know, we allowed

the experimentation on hundreds of millions of people, the worst thing we ever did to human humanity during COVID. This is probably going to cut your audience right in half, but was residential quarantining, masking, and social distancing? I don't think he cut everybody in half just now. No, no. They're already gone? No, no. Yeah. Okay, go.

Some podcasts around I'm like, ah, he's an anti-vaxxer. I think most of our boys are out there like, go on. They're still hanging with us. Tell them what's going on. Yeah. All right. Usually I cut the audience right in half as soon as I start talking about vaccines, vaccines, politics, and religion.

But those are the three no-fly zones. But in any case, what Bobby's been able to do, what this MAHA agenda has been able to do in the very short period of time they've been in office, you know, they've been petroleum-based food dyes. So think about this. Just like your point in going to Canada, right, where you have this, you had a red skittal and a red skittal, and they both look red and they both taste exactly the same way. One's actually colored with beet juice and one is colored with a petroleum-based food dye. What's a petroleum-based food dye? It's a fuel source that we use for buses like this. Your body doesn't have enzymes to break that down.

Causes inflammation. The eating system tries to attack it. So why do we do that? Well, because we're allowed to manufacture things cheaper. The 51,000 chemicals that we use in the agricultural system in this country, the chemical companies are seeking broad immunity for that they actually can't sell in their own mother countries. And so Bobby Kennedy is trying to put a stop to that. He's going to say, hey, bear, you're a German company.

You make Roundup glyphosate. You want to spray that shit on our food here, which you're not allowed to spray on your food at home. And you want us to indemnify you from harm caused to our citizens. And you want the taxpayer to foot this bill? We're not going to do it. Yeah, it seems like that's bad up. And so petroleum-based food dyes got out of this system. Some of the other big wins were the SNAP food program, you know,

the food stamp program, they were able to get high sugary sodas and candies. You can still buy high sugary sodas if you want. Still buy candy, still buy a vape, so buy cigarettes, still buy alcohol. You just can't do it with the taxpayers money. Right. So now 26 states, don't quote me on that. It's around 26 states have signed on to say, yeah, we're going to take that $10 billion and we're going to redirect it to these underserved communities and we're going to actually force them to buy whole foods. Those are ways you make massive sweeping change. Right. And getting physical education back in the school system. I mean, you'll actually see the rates of all of these, I don't even like this term, mental disorders or mood disorders, ADD, ADHD, poor tension

span, lack of focus and concentration, kids that can't complete their assignments, follow directions, that they're hammering with Adderall. You're going to see those rates eviscerate when we just do simple things like bringing physical education back into the school system. getting all the processed shit out of their diets and putting just whole foods into their diets. Yeah. And getting back to the basics. So that's what I think that part of the movement is all about. Yeah, that presidential test when you're in elementary and middle school, ma'am.

Yeah. Figured out boys and men. You go down, you have to do the stretch thing first. You do the sit-ups, the push-ups in a minute. Yeah. You're just thinking yourself, like, my boy, Will, he got 36. I got to get myself at least 37. We, like, years ago when I'm, when I, there's that box right there.

There it is. The stretching. Oh, that's the stretch box? Yeah, the stretch box. That's awesome. Isn't that crazy? Oh, that's the fifth grade presidential death? He looks like he's struggling, dude.

That's a big-ass trip grader. Yeah, that is a big-ass fifth grader. You're expected to get the most push-ups, and then you hear one of your boys at like 68 in the push-up contest. You're like, fuck. Ain't a lot. Yeah. Yeah, heart rate going to anxiety.

A 30-second dead hang, you know, run a mile in less than nine minutes, do 10 unbroken push-ups? and 20 unbroken sit-ups. I mean, that seems to be like very basics. And yet, you know, 77 percent, this is a Department of Defense of, yeah, Department of Defense statistic, 77 percent of our military age men and women. These are men and women that qualify for military service due to their age.

77 percent of them cannot enter the military due to just poor health. if you don't think that is a national security disaster, that three quarters of our nation's eligible military men and women do not qualify for military service because of poor health. Like, we got to turn this shit around. You know, it's crazy. Like years ago, 2016, I owned a CrossFit gym for a while called Real Fitness and Naples. And one of the things we did for community outreach was we would let these kids come

from the grade school and that we would put them through free wads. and we had like almost like after school care for 90 minutes. And the parents loved it. They'd shuttle them over to our gym. And so we would try to break them into groups so they wouldn't, you know, the kids that were not as physically active wouldn't be embarrassed by the kids that were killing it. And we had like this basic, basic, basic test. We had a foot high box jump, 12 inches high.

And all the kids had to do is sit down on the box jump and then just stand up, just stand up. And you wouldn't believe it. number of the, like the first day, my partner, TJ and I were like, what the fuck is going on? Like they were falling off. They were rolling to the side. They were putting their hands down. I'm like, no, no, no. Just sit down and stand up. They couldn't stand up from a foot high box jump. Then we would hold them up on the pull bars and we were like, okay, just hang here for 30 seconds. And you'd let them go and they fall. And you're like, no, no, hold on. Right. Don't let go. The point is to not let go. And they would just, as soon as you let go with their waist, they'd fall to the floor.

I just remember how baffled I was that these kids like couldn't stand up from a box drum and couldn't hang for 30 seconds. And then, of course, you had some kids who were just swing around on there all day long. Right. But the vast majority of them, that just zero coordination, no sense of like their body awareness. And I mean, it was, I just remember how shocked I was by that. I'm like, man, we're in a bad state of affairs here. You're talking about some things to change on like the macro level for like schools and kids and use and stuff like that. We were talking a little bit before this pod started.

What about like, how do you get it to where the average American can access the things like we get to access? So you're in an industry to where the medicine can be coined as medicine 3.0 yourself. You got Peter Attia, Dr. Huberman, where people who take it all very seriously and they have the means to do it can work with a group to where you're paying out of pocket. Your insurance doesn't cover it to get all of these blood panels to where if you go and consume Gary Brecker. any of these people I'm mentioning, they talk about like all these blood panels and, and, and blood work that you can get so that way you can identify things from a cellular level. Right. You shouldn't be taking all of these vitamins and supplements because your body might not need it.

Right. You're going through a sleep study. You're getting access to a dexas scan. At what point does this shift happen to where the average person will be able to access these things versus going in and getting a 20-minute checkup from a doctor and then he prescribes you an orange bottle and then send you on your way. Yeah. Or you don't have to sit there and have an injury and it's.

just an acute injury and they just focus on that injury, not everything else is going on with the body. Yeah, I mean, when powerful enough people at the highest end of government, wake up and realize it is less expensive to prevent the disease than it is to treat it. Right now, we spend 80% of our $5 trillion budget on preventable chronic disease.

You can't overlook that. I'm gonna say that again. We spend 80% of our budget, $5 trillion a year on preventable chronic disease, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, chronic issues like autoimmune, which I think is another category that is completely misunderstood, you know, genetically inherited disease, which is another completely nonsensical thing that we've been sold by the medical community is that we inherit disease from our offspring because my uncle had high blood pressure. I have it, so I have to subscribe

to a lifetime of medication. So as we are slowly waking up to the fact that it will cost us less money to prevent those chronic diseases than it does to treat them. We start throwing that money at the deficit and it becomes very unpopular for politicians to be on the other side of that equation. That's when the real change is going to occur. But let's just say, let's just walk through some things that you could do for nothing, right? Because I get a lot of flack when we talk about Dana White and some of the other folks that I've worked with because he has a red light bed. He has a PMF mat. He has a what's called EWAT machine. Yeah, he's a one percent of a one percent And just to clarify for the audience too,

and talking about medicine 3.0 and he keeps using the word preventative disease. It's like you guys working on preventative, working with like in preventative medicine versus when you go to the doctor where it's more reactive medicine. Yeah, it's very true. It says more of what God gave us,

less of what man makes us. You know, I believe a lot more in what God gave us than what man makes us. I don't believe that when somebody has a mental illness or an autoimmune disease or a chronic condition, that they are missing things. like beta blockers and Adderall, right? Those are not what we have deficiencies in.

We have deficiencies in nutrients that are causing these conditions to exist. So let's say that you want to do Dana White's protocol, $129,000 lightbed, a $5,000 PMF mat and a $5,500 EWAT exercise with oxygen machine. You can expose your skin to sunlight, right? And especially in the first hour of the day. And people are like, yeah, I think that's a little overblown. sounds like bullshit and witchcraft, absolutely not. Like, we are so out of touch with the circadian cycle of the earth.

If you watch Huberman's podcast, he goes deep into the science of just morning sunlight. So we've been taught to fear the sun, right? I mean, if you actually, and I've done this on lectures before, if you actually took a chart of the parabolic rise in sunscreen, right, since the 1950s, there's been this absolute parabolic spike in sunscreen. I mean, sun skin cancer. If you took the parabolic rise in skin cancer, it would be superimposable with the parabolic use of sunscreen.

So how is it that we're getting less sun using more sunscreen and we're getting more skin cancer? Right. Because the polar opposite is happening. Now, you know, 23 brands of sunscreen have been pulled from the market since 2018 for directly or indirectly causing skin cancer. And we've been taught to fear the sun. So number one, stop fearing.

the sun. And number two, learn to do things like just basic breathwork, just getting back to really obnoxiously deep breathing. Why? Because as we age, our auxiliary muscles of respiration start to atrophy and we begin to progressively breathe more shallow. As you breathe more shallow, you become more hypoxic, more oxygen deprived. As you become more oxygen deprived, your cells cannot defend themselves. So learn to do breathwork. I do a style of breathwork called Wimhoff. You can get tutorials all online for free learning how to do that style of breath breathing. Yeah, that's like the box breathing. He does have those educational videos or it's like, yeah, I got them on my site. Lay it next to you and you just, he takes you through it. Yeah. And if you can every day, take your shoes off,

touch the surface of the earth. The earth has a low gouse current. It is a magnetic current. It's, again, I get a lot of flack for this too. It, earthing and ground is a very real thing. If you had zero money and you just added morning sunlight, breathwork, and grounding to your routine, you would hit the red light bed, the PMF mat, and the oxygen, right? So if you've got a million dollars lying around or $100,000 line around, go buy a red light bed. But if you don't, like most people don't, expose your skin to sunlight. If it's so simplistic to just get 10 minutes of sunlight in the morning, what is the necessity for even spending $125,000 on a red light bed.

Purely convenient. And is it still the same on a cloudy day? Or if you're up and you're working out early in the morning, it's still a little dark outside. Yeah, if you're getting after it, and it's wintertime. So it's purely convenient, right? I mean, I tell my wife all the time. I don't have a car problem.

I don't have a watch problem. I have a biohacking problem. So our whole house is just a bunch of biohacking stuff, hyperbaric chambers. For the funxways. Perfect. It's perfectly. It is.

It's, you want to bring a machine in? She's like, hang on a second. Where's the hell you're going to put that? What are we doing? What are we doing? We did have a little bit of,

we had some tension over the third hyperbaric. You're going to grab that microphone anytime you want to butt it. If he says some lies, you're more than welcome to jump out on board. Oh, she's grabbing it. What is he got? He likes to sneak things in when I'm out of town.

Yeah. Hey, smart, head, heavy moves. See what I'm talking about to. Not small things. We're talking about. I get a relationship. It's like the size of this bus, maybe half of the size of this bus, into my master bedroom. And then I didn't say a word and I pretended like it had always been there.

Oh, gaslight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is this? What are you talking about? That is exactly what I said. She comes back because she went skiing for five days in Switzerland. I was like, you know, you want to go skiing in Switzerland? This is the kind of shit that happens.

Yeah, now it's my phone. So I had these guys. Just walking your whole room as a hyperbaric chamber. Literally working 24 hours a day around the clock for like five straight days. They ripped a wall out. They moved the hyperbarric in. they put the wall back, they put the wallpaper back over the wall, and she walks into the master by you, bro.

Dude, I thought it was pretty badass. If we're just guys, we're hanging out of tire, wall out. If we all lived together, we'd be fired up. Yeah, yeah. You're thinking about marriage dynamic and everything else. I'm like, oh, yeah, I can see where she might have went to 10%. Yeah, yeah. Peaks and troughs.

That was a trough. Yeah, it was a trough. That was a trough. That was a trough. That was a trough. I let it go because he apologized that he did take it too far. And that was a big. I looked at it.

I was like, accountability is important. This is a lot bigger than I thought it was. It looked like a fucking submarine, and she comes around the corner and she goes, what's that? Then he added it. Can we say fuck on this podcast? Yeah, okay.

Because she goes, what the fuck is that? And I go, the fuck is what? And she's like, the fuck is that? I'm like, babe, that has been here for months. And like, literally the drywaller, you could see where he had done the tape. And I was like, it was still wet. And I'm like, fuck it, you got to paint over it.

She's going to be here in five hours. They painted over it. And the, you know, the moisture still came through. So you see all the line. I got to pay it up, and the drive's so funny. And so. By the way, he didn't tell you about the second hyperbaric chamber, which is now in our gym, which used to have gym equipment.

And now it's just another second hyperbaric. It's a, so nice you had to do it twice. Yeah, it's about this big. And it's got a rowers and weights in it. You can pick your hyperbaric chamber. Yeah. We had a third one too. Yeah, a lot of people have guest rooms.

You guys have multiple hyperbaric chambers. It's exactly. Exactly. You'll be sleeping in the air. Then we got like hydrogen nanogas, hydrogen nanodos. We got red light beds. We got multiple cold plunges. One of my original questions is, what is too much?

When is it enough? You know, have you, have you seen the guy that has like, Brian Johnson? Yeah, two million dollars in his body every single year. He's like essentially. He's trying to live until forever. Until Jesus comes back. Right.

He's trying to get it all done. He's trying to get it all done. Like, what is too much? Because there's got to be like a level of I want to also live my life. Yeah. And from a social standpoint, like if you get to a point where I can't even go about to eat because the seed oils, all these different things that could possibly be in it. It's just, it can be crazy.

And I think, and I'm a big fan of Brian Johnson. I think he's showing us what's possible, not what's probable. I mean, it's not probable for just about anyone. But, you know, to his credit, look, he's spending his own money and he's getting data on his body and he's just sharing it with the world and he gets a lot of flack for it. And I'm like, dude, leave the guy at home. He sold his company for a couple hundred million bucks. And he's spending the money on trying to see how long he can live.

And he's given you a window into it. have to do what he's doing, but he's showing you what's possible, not what's probable. But the majority of us would be better served to just get back to the basics. You know, like I said, sunlight, grounding, breathwork, whole food diet, sleep, you know, basic supplementation. Everyone, the majority of people listening to this right now are probably supplementing for the sake of supplementing. They're not supplementing for deficiency. And that's where most people go wrong. You know, like if you asked me about COQ10, Resveratrol, NED, Ashwaganda, St. John's Ward. I mean, all these things are great. The question is, does your body need it? And there is one test called a methylation test.

It's a genetic test. It doesn't look at all of your genes. It just looks at the genes, the nine or 12 genes that convert nutrients in the human body. They give you the raw material that you need to power the body. It's a test you do once in your lifetime. You definitely do not to do this test with me. Hundreds of companies offer methylation tests. They're not expensive. Basically, you take a cheek swab, you send it to a lab. The results come back and it says, here's what your body can process and here's what it can. And it will give you the basic supplements that you need. And by basic, I mean, they're usually complex of B vitamins, something called methylfolate, basic amino acids that you could get off the shelf and vitamin D3 with K2.

if you actually supplement for deficiency first right like back to the tree example where the soil's deficient in nitrogen if you don't add nitrogen to the soil nothing else matters and you can cover even if you didn't want to do those tests you could cover the basics with a methylated multivit 5,000 i use of vitamin d3 um with k2 and uh about 800 micrograms of methyl folate those three things would cover 85 to 90% of the basics of what the majority of human beings are missing. If you give those nutrients to your body, now it can start to manufacture and convert things inside of your body that lead to your mood, that lead to your emotional state, that return your gut motility to normal.

So take, for example, the whole category of, let's say, mental illness, like depression, anxiety, ADD, ADHD. If you just took those three things, probably 80% of your listeners have suffered from someone or all of those things at some point in their life, right? And you're told that you have mental illness or you have a mood disorder. But if you start backing this up, right? Okay, well, how do we define depression in this country? Well, we define depression as an inadequate supply of serotonin.

So in other words, if you're low on serotonin, you're by definition depressed. So wouldn't you think that if the definition of depression is low serotonin, that the fix would be to raise serotonin? And that's not what we do, right? We take people that are low on serotonin. We put them on something called an SSRI, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. What does that do? Well, it doesn't raise your serotonin. So by its own definition, it doesn't end depression, which is why most people take these things for 12, 14, 16, 18 years.

If we actually took a further step back and said, well, how do we make serotonin? If I'm low on this thing, how do I get more of it? Well, we make serotonin in the gut. 90% of the serotonin in your body is right here. If you don't have it here, you can't have it here. So depression rarely begins in the outside environment. It almost always begins in the gut. And so how do I make serotonin in the gut?

We take an amino acid called triptophan, the one that makes you sleepy for after Thanksgiving dinner. You methylate that into the neurotransmitter serotonin. and then it goes up to your brain, and it creates mood and emotion. So could I be depressed because I'm low in serotonin? Because I don't have the right complex of B vitamins and enough supply of triptophan? Yes, those are simple nutrient deficiencies

that eventually wind up as a mental disease. Then you'll never convince me that 65% of Americans suffer from a clinical level of depression. Like, it's just not, we don't have that big of a depressed society. We have a nutrient depleted society that is expressing itself as depression. There's so many people running around with anxiety or ADHD and they think they have, they think that they're deficient in Adderall or Vivans or Ritalin. They're not deficient in those.

They're deficient in the complex of B vitamins and the methylfolates and the amino acids that give them the material to make the neurotransmitters that build mood and emotion. And so, like, my message for humanity is you can take a basic level of supplementation, focus on sleep, water, hydration. Yes, you can add hydrogen, things like that. But before you go and step up to the big leagues of buying all this fancy equipment and everything, if you just covered those basics, man, your life would take an entirely different trajectory. You know, I do this thing sometimes when I speak from a stage where I say, I'll take any ailment that,

you or a loved one suffers from. It can be an autoimmune disease. It can be a mental illness. It can be a mood disorder, any ailment. And I will tell you what raw material is missing from your body that is causing that condition to exist? Because so many of us have just bought into the fact that because my parents or my grandparents or my aunts or uncles have it, I have it. Now I need to be a lifetime in medication. Or I just suffer from generalized anxiety. For what reason? I don't know. I just have generalized anxiety. I'm just, I have generalized depression. I have ADD or I have ADHD. My belief is that you don't have any of those things. You have a nutrient deficiency. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we how do we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we

should call it and, well we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for

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I do. I think that, fuck yeah, dude. I went to... I love that. It's a good question. I just love how you just popped it up. Dude, it's actually a great question. Seems a question is absolutely real. Dude, it's so real.

I mean, I learned to believe in it when I lived in Chicago for six years in grad school. I went to grad school in Chicago. That's where I got my second degree in biology, human biology degree. Dude, you don't see the sun for seven months. And I lived in the South Loop of Chicago. And I'm telling you, you can feel it in the city. Like, everybody's just pissed off, irritated. They want to fight, drink, sleeper eat pizza.

Right. It's like, that's like, you know, and then you get that first spring day. And sorry, if you live in Chicago. But, and you get that first spring day where, like, all the windows pop open and the sun's shining, too. People flood the streets. Literally, like, most color glasses, like come back on. Dude, you can. It's amazing.

Because I grew up in Florida. I grew up in Arizona. Yeah. You guys call yourself a sunshine state. Arizona actually has the most sunshine of all the states. I actually heard it was Colorado. Now. Could we do a fact check on that?

We can fact check that. Absolutely. Because, yeah. I would love to, I would love nothing more than to get this. Dude, I got, I don't think here, I don't think Arizona beats Colorado. What has more sunshine, Colorado, the state of Colorado or the state of Arizona? Arizona is often considered the sunny state in the U.S. Ah, the sunniest city in the world.

Let's go. Damn. Shout out Arizona. Damn. Well, you know, it's weird is Colorado has more sunshine than Miami, and I didn't realize that. That is wild. Yeah. So I grew up in Arizona and I commit to the University of Michigan.

Okay. It's awesome. I'm so glad the transfer portal was not around then because the first winter, I was borderline suicide watched, dude. It was so miserable. To Michigan. Literally walking around, I'm like, I have no idea why I feel so depressed. I'm sad.

Is it like homesickness? Not really. Like you're trying to identify all these things, but like the middle of my first winter at Michigan, I was like, why the hell am I dealing with this? Yeah. So yeah, it's real. It's like medicine, man. How do you combat seasonal depression?

Red light. So, yeah, red light and getting outside. So what happens when there's not a lot of sunlight outside, people actually stay indoors more often? You're also going back to the cloudy question. Yeah. No, the blue light comes right through the blue light that actually impacts what's called cortisol, your waking hormone in the morning and actually suppresses melatonin,

helps raise cortisol. That blue light will come right through the clouds. Now, if it's really overcast in like heavy, rainy day or you got a snowstorm going on outside. That's something different. But on an overcast, cloudy day, yet that sunlight getting into your eyes is still the best things that you can do for yourself. And I would actually take regular trips to sunshine states. I mean, if you look at life expectancy around the world, the longest life expectancies on Earth are centered right around the equator. For every 20 degrees, is it, is longitude, yes, is our latitude. For every 20 degrees latitude, you get away from the equator.

there's a precipitous drop in life expectancy. Until you get to the polls where you have the shortest life expectancy on Earth, true Eskimo, when I was born in 1970, had a life expectancy of 56 years, right? They never saw this on. And when they did, they were so layered up. They were just critically deficient in vitamin D3. And so a lot of what you can do is you can combat seasonal effective disorder by taking vitamin D3. 5,000 I use of vitamin D3 a day with a little bit of K2.

and most manufacturers put those two together. The best vitamin manufacturers will combine K2 and vitamin D3. And that's a huge combative force for seasonal affective disorder. But I learned to believe it. Like I said, I went to grad school for six years in Chicago. Dude, it was really depressing. And then when you don't see the sun and you're not going outside, you're eating like shit.

You're drinking a lot. It's a cocktail for sadness. Yeah. It's a great cocktail. It's good a cocktail for like two hours. And then the sadness is like, twice the intensity we need to have the the supplements that you talk about vitamin D and K and then we need to get some red light in here in this shop yeah for the boys

because we you know all the boys yeah special JPM yeah yeah winter hey dude if I send you guys a red light bed will you use it do what if I send you guys a red light bed will you use 1,000% oh whoa you got it yeah hold on now oh ho we're talking about free shit I'll be free ball around this whole shop we're using the red light there food. Which, by the way, you should get in a birthday suit. My wife and I, we are getting a new house at the end of this year and looking for a spot to maybe get a red light bed.

All right. Something to think about. I'm shipping you guys a red light bed. All right. Well, take three. That's all good. So one for the shop, two for the house. There's a lot of free shit in here.

There's a gym out there. They didn't pay for it. It's a couch coming in the door when I was like, you guys get a lot of free shit. You've got a couch's tape from lazy boy. I guess so, yes. I saw that shit. I was like. Moving on up.

Yeah. How fired up. Or you saw that Soornex gym. Oh, dude, that thing is, that is badass, dude. Yeah. That is top of the line, dude. That's not inexpensive equipment either. No.

That is a legit setup right there. They're not even partners of ours. Really? They are now. I guess, yeah, there's essentially no deliverables for Sorenx. They're not paying us. Really? They brought that in.

And they're like, yeah, you guys go crazy. Good for them. It is. My wife said it's Florida State colors. Yeah. She's a Florida State fan. Tough year last year. Tough year last year.

It's been a couple of tough years. Yeah, it's been hard for her to be a fan for a while. Because you guys were supposed to make the playoffs that one year. Yeah, yeah. And then Georgia happened. It's not, this is not that type of podcast. Not that type of podcast. Yeah.

Gut health. Yes. Is it the most important thing to take care of? And how do you repair gut health? Great question. So, thank you. It's always nice to hear that. So if you think about what the gut is,

first of all. So first of all, our gut is actually outside of our body. It's hard to remember that. But, you know, the inside of your intestinal tract is continuous with the outside of your cheek, right? It just folds in. So this tube, which is 36 feet long, that runs through our body from our, you know, mouth to the rectum, this 36 foot long tube has a single cell layer, one cell layer on the inside that protects our outside environment from our inside environment. That single cell layer is one of the most important cell layers in all of human physiology because what it does is it keeps bad things in the gut and it keeps good things in the bloodstream. When that layer gets compromised, which is called leaky gut, you have all kinds of consequences. So if we think about what are some of the big things that go on in the gut?

Well, first of all, remember that we don't eat to feed ourselves, right? Nothing that you eat, no piece of chicken, no hamburger, no slice of bread is in the format that you can use is energy. The only reason why we eat is to feed our gut bacteria. Our gut bacteria eat to feed us. So there's an intermediary between the food you eat and the nutrition your body gets. And that intermediary is your gut bacteria. So we eat for one reason only to feed our gut bacteria. And they eat for one reason only to feed us. And so that intermediary is very important. So you have bacteria in there. And then you have this single cell layer. And when that cell layer gets disrupted, contents from inside your gut start to leak into the bloodstream. This causes inflammation.

It's the genesis of a lot of autoimmune disease. If you think about what else goes on in the gut, the majority of our neurotransmitters are made in the gut. And what are neurotransmitters? Well, neurotransmitters form the basis of every mood and every emotion that you can feel. Dopamine, for example, is the main driver of behavior. If I was able to magically stick a syringe in your arm and just suck the dopamine out of your body, you would immediately, engage in dopamine-seeking behavior. What does that mean? That means that you would be seeking something like drugs, alcohol, nicotine, permacuity, workaholic, work-outaholic, you would do something to chase that dopamine deficiency. We called this addiction. The absence of dopamine

is the presence of addiction. There is an addict in the world, if you've ever been an addict or known a true addict, that woke up one morning and said, I want to get really banged up. They woke up one morning and said, I want to feel normal. And it was the search for normalcy that developed their addiction. They smoked a cigarette. They took a hit from a joint. They drank alcohol. They engaged in some kind of crazy activity like jumping off a cliff in a squirrel suit.

And they're like, wow, I mean, that rush of dopamine made them feel normal. So when you talk about all the things that the gut regulates, it not only converts our food into compounds of the body can use, it not only manufactures neurotransmitters that make us feel happy. that you make us feel sad. If your gut is off, you can't feel elation, passion, joy, arousal, libido, because you can't manufacture those emotions. So the gut is incredibly important. 70% of our immune system is sitting right outside of our gut. And why?

Because that's where all the action is. And so what are some great things that you can do for your gut? Well, there are peptides, probably my favorite peptide in the world, which is called BPC-157. Golf clap for BPC. Yeah. It is incredible. I was the founder's client. Oh, we are.

Yeah, we'll put me on BPC. We used to be illegal in the NFL. I can't believe it's not legal in the NFL. Absolutely crazy. But he put me on and I would have like just general soreness stick it in my, you know, my leg or my butt. Fine. Yeah.

I had an ankle. If my ankle would be swollen up, I feel like I wouldn't be able to play. Put it there acutely. Three days later, I'm able to play a game. It's incredible. It is an incredible. I heard about it through Greenfield being on Rogan back in like 2000. Yeah.

When he's talking about red light, putting stem cell in his boy downstairs. You know, all the hacks like boost your testosterone. And he'd do shockwave therapy on it. And he talks about BPC 157. Yeah. He talks about not being illegal yet. And I was like, well, let me see. Yeah, it's not illegal.

There's a company called pepchual. They make these, you go online. Because I think you also have to be concerned about where you're sourcing, you know, peptides in general. The majority of these peptides come from China. And there's a lot of fillers. binders, a lot of them have metals in them. I'd be cautious about just going online and searching BPC 157 than just buying it. But if you can get it from a compound pharmacy, which compound pharmacies make it in America, then it's regulated. But BPC 157 is, I mean, it's arguably my favorite

peptide. You can stack that with something called TB 500, which these are just healing and wind repair peptides. This will actually help to seal that single cell layer of the gut because not only does it improve soft tissue injuries like you're talking about, like ligaments, knees, hips, shoulders. rotator coughs, low backs. But it's actually a gastric peptide. It's a gastric pentadeca peptide. And it's synthesized from gastric juice. So it really helps calm inflammation in the gut and helps heal and seal the gut.

The majority, if not all of my private clients, I have on BBC 157. It's tolerated very well orally. You can take it orally. You can take it by injection. You can cite injection like you're talking about. Peptual makes these these. pads that you soak with BPC Y-N-SI-7 and you put them on the skin

and it will release the BPC-157 over a 12 to 14-hour period. So if you have some kind of nagging repetitive injury, like a rotator cough or, you know, lateral ankle or medial knee or low back, everybody usually has low back issues. It's incredible. So we're talking about the gut, I think BPC 157. Also, you know, adding things to your diet,

like fermented vegetables, just take a serving of fermented vegetable and throw them on the plate with at least one of your meals. Fermented vegetables are like sauerkrauts, kimchi's, even pickled. There's BPC 157, stronger tissue, reduced inflammation, quicker healing, prove brain function. I mean, the the now human clinical studies that are being done on BPC 157 because it was largely done on on animals, now some large-scale human trials. The data that's coming out of, of these trials for neural inflammation, for cognitive function, for connective tissue injuries is amazing because before we just fully get off BBC 157, what it does is it harnesses the power

of your body to heal itself. So let's say you were walking down the street and you stepped off a curve and you twisted your right ankle, right? So how does the body know to heal this right ankle and leave the left ankle alone. It's because when you tear that tissue, you break open these little cells called fibroblasts and they start telling the bloodstream, hey, I'm hurt, I'm hurt. Start sending a signal, an inflammatory signal. Well, a platelet that's cruising by in your bloodstream, when it hears that signal, it bursts and it drops off growth factors. So you're healing because platelets are bringing growth factors to the site of injury. What BPC-157 does is it amplifies that signal. So if you had 10 platelets cruising by and two jumped out of the bloodstream, you take BPC

157, 10 platelets are cruising by, and nine will jump out of the bloodstream. So all you're doing is concentrating the healing power of the human body. I'm a huge, huge fan of peptides. I think you're going to see Bobby Kennedy widen the lane for peptides with the FDA because they're very safe. They're very effective. They're amino acids. Their body breaks them down, eliminates the waste. And we're taking so many any inflammatories and corticosteroids. In the NFL, I mean, steroid injections and more careers early than you could imagine. Cortisone's crazy. Once or twice, fine, but chronic cortisone injections.

I mean, Joe Thaisman, probably. I mean, not Joe Thysman. Who's the Miami quarterback? Dan Marino. You know, his career was ended early because there's multiple cortisone injections, you know, constantly into the elbow. Now, if you sprain your ankle, would you say going into the same? site with BPC 157 if you're injecting it or if you still do a sub Q in your gut it would still get there. If you did a sub Q in your gut, it would still get there. I would either wear a patch or I

would take very high oral doses, right? Because BPC 157, usually the dose is just around 500 milligrams orally. But you can take four or five times that amount very safely with very little known side effects because what will happen is BPC 157 will migrate to that site, right? It will it is attracted to those cytokines, those histamines, the signal coming from the inflammation. So you can take high doses orally, it works very, very well. You can also site injection, inject it,

but just like going sub-Q, the bloodstream will carry it away and it will find its way back to that site. Unless you're going right into the capsule of the joint or something, which most people are not qualified to do. So BPC 157 is tolerated very, it's one of those peptides you can take orally. It's not like the growth,

Like in pill form? Or you're just saying, put the syringe and squeeze in your mouth. You can take it in a capsule form. You can take it in a form that in a patch that actually goes into the bloodstream over a prolonged period of time, which is a method that I would prefer. You can combine it with things like NAD and something called GHKCU, CU, which is a copper peptide. So you can actually get these patches. You soak them with GHKCCU copper peptide, NAD, and BPC-150.

you wear them for 12 or 14 hours and it leaks a consistent dosage into the bloodstream. So if you had an acute injury or you were recovering from surgery, that's what I would be, that's what I would be doing. If you specifically have gut issues, I would be taking BBC 157 twice a day orally a thousand milligrams two different times during the day. The back of the bottle is going to tell you to take 500 milligrams. For how long? Until that symptoms have resolved and then I would take it prophylactically essentially forever. And then there are, you know, they're, I got a low back problem right now. Oh, you do? Yeah.

Yeah. It's been, it's been a, been an issue since, I don't know, 2020. So this, let's just focus on that for a second. So why do low back problems have a tendency to linger? Why do rotator cops have a tendency to linger? Why do, why do a lot of these injuries have a tendency to become chronic? And I can't emphasize this enough. Is that, is that you? Yeah.

Oh, I was like, damn. a lot worse than I thought. Like, we're going to do this pod and I'm going to get up and it's going to take me a nice few steps just to get fully back up right. All right. If I fix that for you, we would come back on the podcast and do an update?

Yes, absolutely. I'm going to put that. Yeah. Fuck him. Yeah. Yeah. The back pain podcast actually probably really take off. Yeah.

So again, the thing that we are not addressing that is not being addressed, your injury, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is the microvascular circulation. You assume that when you take an anti-inflammatory, you take a corticosteroid, even if you take a peptide, that it is getting to that site, and that what's trapped at that site,

all the inflammatory compounds, those histamines and cytokines and all of that stuff, are getting out. And the truth is, what happens is it gets trapped because you think about how small these vessels are. They're microvascular. Your heart is not pumping the blood that low back, right? This activity of vaso motor is. So if you were to, and I'm going to send you

one of these two, if you were to bathe in hydrogen gas, I know this sounds crazy, but if you were to bathe in hydrogen gas, if you were to start taking hydrogen tablets, and if you were to take slow release, long duration, BPC 157 and TB 500, and regularly use red light therapy, a powerful enough bed, you can't use a bed that plugs into a 110 outlet. You have to use one that plugs into a 220 you need very powerful light um in in the span of seven to 10 weeks it would be a permanent thing of your past because what's developed in how juiced up are you getting right now holy seven to 10 weeks yeah talking about end of 25 boys operational yeah boy might be making a comeback to the NFL you might be back because you're retired in 2023 right 2020 is when oh that situation

happened okay and it's bothered me for like in moments episodes that and now it's just feels like more of like a way of life. I've been trying to help correct it. Like there's been doing things where I've been making good progress. But you're right. It feels like there's like zero. The things you got to do just to get circulation going there. Yeah.

Just to feel warmed up is a process. And that's why cold plunging would be, you know, good for you. It would probably help take some of the pain away. But what we have to do is we have to restore that vaso motor circulation. So you can actually start to heal that part of that site. Regular oral routes, even regular subcutaneous routes. no matter what you're administering into the body, it's still going into the bloodstream. The bloodstream is delivering it to that location.

If you could actually put your injury on a thermograph, you would see that all of that stuff is making it almost to the site and it's just stopping. Right. So what you're doing to heal and repair that injury is not working because the delivery system, the highway to transport those things there is broken down. Right. So once we restore that highway, which is the microvascular system, and you do. that with hydrogen gas. You do that with red light therapy and you do that with slow release peptides because they will bolus doses will not make it to that location and then they'll be gone from your bloodstream. Very small amounts will make it to that location so you need prolonged

sustained dosing. This is going to be a game changer for you. Oh, yes. I feel like this will be amazing. Let's gain some knowledge to now I feel like we're both sitting here and being like, how do we become the guinea pigs of Gary? How do we become the- Well, you've already got a red light vet out of it. So you got, and I'm going to check with the team that you're using it. But the team will be dialed. The team will be using it.

Yeah, the team will be using it. The team will be dying. It'll be a schedule. Yeah, sign of sheet the whole thing. Yeah, this will be great, man. And I think we'll come back in, let's say, 10 weeks after we start, we'll come back on this podcast and we'll just do a quick update. Yeah.

Because I think it would inspire a lot of people because there's so many people living with chronic ailments and they don't understand why they're staying chronic and nothing really seems to work. And the audience, they know that this back has been a prominent piece of my journey for, yeah, years. Okay. It really has. Okay. It really has. Yeah. The boys were having fun playing this game called T in the pool last week. And my back's feeling a little bit better, but I just still stand up there. And I'm just, anything I do, I'm always thinking, I don't want to reaggravate my back. Yeah. No, my, my wife has an L5S1 fusion from Sage does from a, from a really bad car accident around the time that we met. Yeah. Like on my decks, it says like my L4,

L5 and S-I. Yeah. Right side. Yeah. Screaming certain times. Like L4 and L5 and S-1 are compressed? Yeah, yeah. I want to say just off the decks of scan, it talks about how my dis in there kind of like deteriorating.

Okay. Can I tell you the thing that works the best for me? Yes, please. And I hate it every day for the first 30 seconds to a minute. It's cold plunging. Cold plunge. Every time. It just makes me feel so much better, at least.

And sometimes I do it in the morning and at night. just if I've had a long day on my feet. But cold plunging of all the things I think works the best. But the red light is great too. I do hydrogen tablets every morning and the hydrogen bath. It's a process. I just got to get just a quality cold tub. Like I got a barrel.

So I'll have to manually and then I get lazy. I just don't do that. I won't refill it because I'm not a, I love the feeling you get cold plunging. When you get out, it just. Yeah, going in and it kind of sucks, but getting out. It's your whole day. Thinking about the maintenance.

Yeah, I just. You know, that's another one of those things. You know, I have a saying that aging. is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. And, you know, the more aggressively we pursue comfort, the faster we age. And, you know, like, we got to stop telling grandma, not to go outside, it's too hot,

not to go outside, it's too cold, just to lay down, to relax, you know, to eat at the first pang of hunger. That's just destroying all your natural defense mechanisms. And cold plunging is one of those hormetic stresses. And look, you don't need to spend seven grand on a cold plunge. You can take Tupperware containers, fill them full of water, put them in your freezer.

And the next night, you'll have big blocks of ice. If you have a tub, that'll last three days. It'll give you a cold plunge for three days. Even cold showers, but immersing yourself in cold water because water is 29 times more thermogenic than air, meaning it removes heat from the body at 29 times the rate of air. And most people don't realize all of the safety mechanisms that trigger, the panic mechanisms that trigger in the body when you quickly immerse yourself in cold water. You know, you get a peripheral vaso constriction.

But if you actually mapped the way that that works, it's fascinating to me. me like the more I study the human body, the more I believe in God because I feel like this didn't happen by accident. You know, so you don't just get a peripheral vasoconstriction. It shuttles blood first to the brain, right? And then once it shuttles blood to the brain, it will shuttle it to the heart and then to the lungs. And in that order. And what's fascinating about that, it's a defense mechanism. So you're like walking across the ice and you break through the ice and now you're an ice cold water. And you're by yourself. You have no resources. Like, what is the body going to do? well, first of all, constrict the periphery, right?

If the brain shuts off, nothing else matters. So take care of that first. Then if the brain's going, if the heart shuts off, nothing else matters. So let's take care of that second. Once we've got the heart stable, now we've got to go to the lungs because if they shut off, nothing else matters. Once you stabilize those systems, it's a very slow priority for the rest of the body. And then you activate something called brown fat, which is a very special type of fat in the body

that actually exchanges a calorie for a measure of heat. So anybody that says that cold plunging doesn't burn fat is, it's nonsensical because you actually are physically taking calories and turning them into heat. There's a cost to raise your body temperature. That's done by brown fat. But what's really fascinating is then your liver releases something called cold shock proteins. If you really want to have some fun, just Google cold shock proteins or benefits of cold shock proteins. There's a lot of research going on right now.

And these magical proteins that are trapped in the liver that are dumped into the blood, stream during when you when you cold plunge some of them Lynn 28a and Lynn 28B are being researched for improving insulin sensitivity actually making you more sensitive to insulin which is a good thing and then and then you get a you get a release of dopamine and and and norepinephrine and what do these do they widen your field of vision they improve your mood they make you more acute more sharp more focused more concentrated so you think about man if I was walking on the ice and I broke through when I was in cold water, my body's going to preserve my brain, my heart, my lungs. It's going to start raising my body temperature.

It's going to widen my field of vision. It's going to make my hearing more acute. It's going to make me process things faster. Your processing speed is a lot faster. That's why when you get out, you're like, shit, I feel amazing, right? That was all the defense mechanisms of your body trying to save your life. Yeah. And that's why, you know, we overdo it with cold plunging too.

I mean, look, three minutes minimum, six minutes maximum. 48 to 52 degrees Fahrenheit. There's no research that says colder is better, longer is better. We don't want to become cold adaptive. We just want a cold shock to body, right? Take advantage of that cold shock and get on with your day. But I call it my drug of choice. Like nothing makes you feel better for longer.

Is there any biological difference between men and women and using the cold tongue? Yes. I mean, women need to be a little bit more cautious, especially given their time of the month. And so a cold plunge is really anything 58 degrees or less, right? So women can get in slightly warmer water. 58 degrees Fahrenheit is still cold enough to give you all of the benefits of it becomes like a man contest. Yeah, it's always you go.

You know, it's like... You did 48? Yeah, I did 46. Yeah, I did 47, bro. Yeah, I'm going to get liquid nitrogen next week. Something about a winter time, though, when you have to break the ice in a cold tub and sit in it, you definitely feel like a Viking firm.

Yeah, yeah, you definitely do. You definitely feel way cooler. You definitely do. But a lot of the things that apply to men don't directly apply to women. You know, like some of the worst endocrine disasters I've ever had to repair are in young menstruating women that eat in a very narrow feeding window. Like husbands and wives will say, well, let's start intermittent fasting together. And a husband's killing it, right?

I mean, he's putting on muscle and he's exercising. He's sleeping like a bear. He's got all the energy in the world. And the woman's just a disaster because she's narrowed her feeding window. And so if you're a woman, you're listening to this podcast. All six of you? All six of you. Well, seven, because my wife.

wife and my daughter. Eight. Okay, so the eight of you. Getting closer double digits. Yeah. What are you guys? Like 991? We're up there.

We're up there. I think we're 90. We're 90. We're 90. I was insane. No, we're not. Yeah. A lot of toxic masculinity on this podcast.

I understand completely. Anyway, we'll throw the 8% of women of bone. Just get a blood test. If you're a three month average of your blood sugar is very low, in other words, if it's below 5.3 or less, you're not a candidate for intermittent fasting. Men, we do really well with it. We only have one major hormone, testosterone.

They have multiple hormones. They're different people throughout the time of the month. So I would, is that science, just purely science, baby. Both personalities. I can back that up. We can act multiple personalities. What were you saying?

They're not condomal what you just said, Talen, I love you. So, yeah, I mean, I just don't think it's a one size fit all. So women can do cold punches of 58 degrees. What's your, what's your thought on having three like three meals, like real full nutritious meals as opposed to snacking throughout the day? I think that's great. I mean, if you look at the longevity diet, Volter Longo's research, who's probably the top fasting, intermittent fasting and fast mimicking researcher in the world at USC, you will find that the big data doesn't, support time restricted eating. It does support fasting, but not consistent fasting because we become

adaptive. So a 12-hour feeding window is what he published in the longevity diet. He has an enormous body of research to support that. And then once in a while doing what's called fast mimicking where you actually reduce your caloric intake for a day or for several days. And then you go back to eating normal calories. But 12 on, 12 off is something that people seem that they, to be consistent with over a long duration. I'm a huge fan of intermittent fasting for people that have blood sugar control issues. Again, it's like everything. It's not a one size fits all. So if you went and did a blood panel, you look at three things. You look at your glucose. You want that to be below 90 fasted. You look at your hemoglobin A1C. It's a three-month average

of your blood sugar. You want that to be 5.3. or better. And you want your insulin to really be in the single digits, right? And the blood test allows your insulin to get to about 25. So people think, well, I'm still normal, but high insulin means you're not, you're secreting a lot of insulin to lower your blood sugar. Those people are perfect on intermittent fasting. But 12 hours on and 12 hours off is perfect for the vast majority of the population, you can live a very, very long time feeding yourself in a 12-hour window and allowing giving your body a 12-hour break. And that's easy to do. That's 8 in the morning until 8 at night. And I was fascinated when I really started reading the research on it because most people

eat from like 630 or 7 in the morning until 11.30 at night. We just grazed all day. We're just constantly, we're constantly grazing. And so if you actually just locked in a 12-hour window, you know, eight in the morning, eight at night, six in the morning until six at night, 10 in the morning until 10 at night, and you stayed consistent in that window and you shifted that window when you moved around time zones, game changer for the majority of people. I love it. Yeah. What kind of preventative things?

Will and I both have children, both have girls. What are some proactive things we can do for our children so that when they get to our age, they don't have these autoimmune diseases, these other things that seem to pop up that people call genetic? I'm going to give you the number one thing that you can. do for your kids. And this is a dietary change. And sadly, it's because the food supply here. You wouldn't have to do this if you were in Canada. You wouldn't have to do it if you were in Europe. But you have to militantly get the folic acid out of their diet. So you have to get them off of

fortified or enriched foods. And what does that mean? In the United States, we are required by law. we spray all of our grains, all cereals, breads, pastas, and grains of any kind, we spray them with the chemical folic acid. We've been told that folic acid is a naturally occurring compound. It's not. You cannot find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the earth. It does not exist in nature. Follate exists in nature.

We make a chemical in a laboratory called folic acid. In 1993, the chemical industry convinced the U.S. government to spray this on our entire grain supply. So all bread, all pasta, all flour, and grains of any kind are sprayed with folic acid. We don't call it sprayed with folic acid. We call it fortified or enriched. So fortified or enriched foods are sprayed with folic acid. What are fortified or enriched foods?

Well, Pop-Tarts, cereals, breads, bagels, all the things that we feed our kids. So if you just made the simple shift of either choosing organic or non-fortified, non-enriched versions of those foods, you would have. have a completely different child in the house. Because about half of the population can't process this compound at all. We have a gene mutation called MTHR. It's affectionately called the motherfucker gene. About half the population has it.

It's called MTHFR. It means we can't process folic acid, which wouldn't be a big deal until you realize that folic acid is the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet. So if you switch to non-fortified, non-enriched foods, you would, You would plummet the incidence of ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar, learning disabilities, poor tension span, poor ability to follow directions, what we call impulse control. All of these issues that you have in kids very often are because this compound is coming into their body and they can't process it. So once you learn to get around that system and you learn what food, it doesn't mean you can't eat bread, doesn't mean you can't eat pasta, it doesn't mean you can't eat grains. You just need to eat the non-fortified versions of those.

You know, everybody that's traveled to Europe or Italy and that lives in the U.S. has had the experience where they go to Italy and they're like, dude, I eat pasta like my life depends on it. Yeah. I feel great. Dude, I'm walking down the street in France. I'm eating French baguettes like, you know, like tick-tacks. And yeah, and I'm not bloated. I'm not gassy.

I'm not constipated. It doesn't make me want to crash because bread's made the way bread's supposed to be made over there. Same with pastas and cereals and grains. Here, we add seed oils and we add folic acid to those, and it just destroys our gut. So, so. He's a crush cereal. But I know, we all did. Nothing better.

Dude, I remember lining up the marshmallows in the, because my mom would get really pissed off because I would actually take the spoon. I would pick out all the marshmallows. I'd leave the cereal floating in there. Yeah. And she's like, you have to eat the whole thing. Yeah. It's more nutritious. So, yeah.

I need this marshmallow. Yeah. Yeah. Do you see this little starfish? Yeah, that thing is delicious. And the cereal, too, like, I was a big fruity pebbles guy. And if you didn't eat those pebbles. Loved them.

Golly. Dude, yeah. I was honeycomb, golden smacks. I was a big, um, who's the, who's the, uh, who's the, uh, who's the, uh, who's the uh, who's the, uh, who's the pirate with the frost and flicks or saw. I was a guy that had your bowl in a minute. Captain Crunch. Oh, Captain Crunch.

Dude, that was so good. Oh, dude, that was so good. I can't even look at it now, but. I know. Sure. But I used to line up the marshmallows. What are some rules that you break for yourself? I mean.

Where people will be surprised. Oh, shit, Gary Brecker does that. Yeah, I mean. If you won't answer, I'll ask your family. No. No, I break rules on sugar. You know, like, you know, I'm not the one that shows up to my five-year-old niece's birthday party.

It's like, oh, I'm not going to eat that cake. You know, I try to avoid forever chemicals, but, you know, I would rather actually eat sugar because my body can process that. I don't drink. I haven't put the label on myself that I'm never going to drink again. And we had a shot of tequila a few weeks ago. So I would say once in a while I break it for alcohol, usually tequila. Once in a while I'll break it for sugar.

You know, I mean, what kind of sugar are we talking here? Mainly dark chocolates. I just had a blizzard not too long ago. Oh, no, no, Blizzard I won't do that. You won't do a blizzard? No, if you learned about blizzards, it's heartbreak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. heartbreaking. Yeah, don't go for the blizzard. Yeah, that'll put you in a coma.

Do ice cream? Yeah, ice cream. I mean, you just look for the, there's this place called Southwest Ranch is down the road from us, and they actually do grass fed, grass finish. Brows fed, grass finished meats, raw dairy. So you can actually take the stuff that you like to eat. And I have this thing called lateral shifts where I'll take anything that you like to eat and I'll just shift it to something more nutritious. You won't even notice. Like, you know, I used to love nachos. Now I take masa chips, which are non-GMO corn, deep fried and beef tallow with sea salt, right? Masa chips, which are tortilla chips.

Put my, and then I'll take grass-fit, grass-finished beef or organ meats and spread that on the top, you know, like the ground beef. And then I'll take raw goat cheese, shred it on the top of that, slice up some avocados, stick that on the top. Dude, it's just, it's a plate of nachos. And if you ate that nacho next to your other nachos, you wouldn't taste the difference. but the nutritional profile is massively different. It's hard to beat that fake cheese though, that you would get the ballpark. Yeah, that's plastic.

What is it, Velvita or whatever? Something like that. It's hard to beat that. Anytime cheese comes out of a pressurized can, come on, man. No doubt, I'm with you. But you're still smashing it. The little, little cans, squeeze those.

Are you allowed to ask? Are you talking about whip it? No. Oh, I was like, wow, you're really going to. So actually. Time out, time out. Can I, I want. wanted to ask his daughter like what what pisses are off.

Go ahead. What pisses her daughter off? What's a pet peeve about your father? Yeah, pet peeve about your dad. This is something I will say. He'll get on a phone and if you leave any sort of food anywhere, it's gone. Oh yeah, I do. I do unconsciously eat on the phone.

Grace. He'll eat just about anything of mine. I'll make a plate of food. I'll go to my room, go to the bathroom, get a glass of water. I'll come back and it's completely finished. If I'm on intense phone call, like and pacing around, I'll smash it. me off so much. What's crazy, too, is she had that in the holster.

She was ready for that. Yeah, yeah, she did have that in the holster. I'll get, like, shitty food every once in a while, like, stuff that's bad for you. And I'll find out and I'll still eat it. Oh, yeah. That's what we needed. That's true. Unconscious eating, dude.

Do you ever get like? The more intense the phone call, the last side, like, am aware. Do you ever get, like, if you get, like, bad food or say you get fast food or something, Are you ever trying to be sneaky about it? Like, I don't want my dad to see this. Oh, I don't eat her fast food. It's like occasional. I had my, okay, so we did a cross-country road trip to Colorado.

We took our Caho and we drove it out to our house in Colorado. And I had never had a Big Mac before. So I was like, I want to try it. And I convinced her, I don't know how I did it. I convinced her. I was not on this trip for the record. He was not there. It was just us.

But I had a Big Mac and I had to sit in the same position for like 45 minutes because if I moved, I felt like I was going to explode. Like, it was the most terrible thing. And I'm like, Dad, that's what you get. stay away from these stuff because it's gone to the point where like we've eaten so healthy that like eating shitty food will make you like it'll make you like a hangover yeah like you'll wake up in the morning you'll feel terrible like I can't eat anything like that the whole family's really good though like I would like I'd have ice cream and I'd be like oh like I want it and like it's like the

brownie bits and the ice cream like the ben and jerry's he'll go through and he'll dig out the brownies he'll dig out the cookie oh no I won't eat to ice cream but I'll try to find the little piece of dark chocolate and I'll isolate the one piece of dark chocolate because I know I'm like the surrounding environment is not good, but I will take a fork and surgically remove a piece of dark chocolate. As a family, that is a fact. Do you want to tell them about your experience

in snagging my dad's cookies? Oh, that's, that could be the end of my career, and we could go for it. Yeah, we were in Colorado a few years ago, and so my son went to a dispensary and got these gummies, and we were going to do this, big long hike six miles up to this lake called Lamphere Lake and he's like, Dad, you got to take one

of these gummies going to help on the hike. I'm like, I see no connection between that gummy and my ability to perform on the hike. And I said, you know, but for a sun bonding moment, hit me with one of those gummies. So I take one. And I think the whole thing about like gummies is like they don't, they don't hit you right away. And I do no drugs, none for the record. And you can verify that. Except for this time. Except for this time. So it's. It's like, I'm like 40 minutes in, I'm like, I don't feel a damn thing. So I was like, we're walking out the door,

so I took another one. Yeah, first off, timeout, quick time out. That is the number one. Oh, dude, so, so we're- I don't think these brownies are hitting me. Give me another. Yeah, yeah, wait a minute. It gets actually worse.

So we're going, so we're, the whole family's in the car and we're going to the spot at Lanfair to hike and she's like, let's stop up by my dad's house. I forget we were picking up. We go into her dad's cabin and he's got these chocolate squares laid out on the counter, right?

And I didn't realize that these were, these were also infused. Well, yeah. Now, THC, I have never had. Well, now I have. And so I saw the chocolate square and I smashed the chocolate square and I get back in the car.

So now I'm two gummies deep in a chocolate square. And all of a sudden, dude, we're going down the, we're going down the highway and I start to get flush, like my whole body gets flush. I feel this rush coming up my neck. And then I get overwhelmed. I was overwhelmingly sleepy and I started trying to convince everybody in the car to go back home and take a nap. Sage is like, fuck, it's wrong with you.

You're like, Mr. Energizer Bunny. Like you wanted to go on this hike. I got a whole family in the car. I'm like, yeah, I don't mind if we just bang a U-turn and just take a nap. And by the time we got there, I couldn't feel my face. I could. My hands felt like they were blown up like balloons. And I started playing it back in my mind.

I'm like, maybe it was the two gummies. I didn't even know that her dad's chocolate had the, what did it have? Yeah, then you left us. And he just did it as fast as possible. Finish the hike, left us with no supplies, no water, no food. No supplies, no water. I had all the supplies in a backpack and I got paranoid that I wasn't going to make it to the lake in time. So I took off running off the mountain.

Who's waiting for you at the lake? I left the family. I left down. Nobody. So I got up like this. I stripped all my clothes off. I jumped in the lake and I'm fain swimming around. this like 45 degree lake and I can hear her screaming F bombs coming up the the mountain.

I'm like, what's the matter, babe? I'm like, I'm just here treading water feel this water. Yeah, it is beautiful in here. It's a six mile hike. It was no joke. But I felt like a bear was chasing. You know that you were like running and you can kind of feel something's like about to grab you? I wouldn't even look behind me because I was like, it's almost got my back.

Yeah, the Paul just got. Yeah, you're in the basement. So I sprinted up this. You cut the lights off to go scissors or everything. chasing you the whole entire time. So that was the one and only time that I did that. I was like, man, I don't need to do that. When did you end up learning about her dad's cookies? Oh, like, weeks later. Yeah, no way. Dad randomly like called him out on it and he's like, yeah, how did it feel when you, when you snacked one of my cookies? And Kerry was like, oh my God,

it was like a life all went off. Yeah. He's like, yeah, he's like, dude, those were, you were supposed to take a quarter of that. He's like, you were supposed to break that into quarters. I'm like, I wasn't supposed to touch it at all. Yeah. That's the only time you've ever had marijuana. That's, yeah, that, well, college. Yeah, undergrad. Yeah, yeah. There was like a 25 year, yeah. It was like a 25, 30 year gap.

And then that time, all of a sudden, all at once. And it hit me. Gotta get to the lake. Yeah, that was the only thing. I was like, I gotta get to the lake. I got to get to the lake. And I was like, something is, something is like about to grab me. And I had, I don't get.

I've never had anxiety or paranoid. I had anxiety. I was paranoid. I thought something was chasing me up the mountain. I was completely by myself. And I did sprint. Diet Health's in check. I went six miles.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Got to the lake. People either have bad down to my underwear. Yeah. And jumped in the lake and then I started to feel normal. That is so fun. But dude, she was, you were, you were quite upset that time, quite pissed off.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you're paranoid and you have anxiety. And then your wife's mad at you, but you can't really connect the dots why she's mad at you. Yeah. So that paranoid anxiety is a little bit higher. I was like, dude, hey, I wanted to take the nap. I need some love.

You turn attention right now. Yeah. I'm in the middle of a lake so a bear doesn't get me. And now I'm thinking bears actually swim so now I'm paranoid in the middle of a lake.

Yeah, so. Yeah, that was a awesome story. That was a tough one. That was a tough one. Can we cut their mic off? As a family, like, when did you truly buy in

to basically becoming a superhuman? Like, of all these things and was there a conversation that took place like, hey, this is how we're now going to handle our entire lives? Because you were saying You were in life insurance, right?

Yeah, it was life insurance. I was a mortality expert. So we were researching, you know, ways to predict mortality to the month. And I get a lot of flack for that, but it's truly some of the most accurate science in the world. Because Dana will do his stuff in a bit. I was going to die. 10.4 years. Yeah.

You know, Dana was really interesting because Dana had no interest. The only thing Dana wanted to meet with me for was for me to tell him how many more years he had left on earth. That was it. He's like, I'm a sick fuck. I was like, I don't do that anymore. That's what I used to do. He's like, I'm literally his exact worst. He goes, I'm a sick fuck. I want to know exactly how long I have left on Earth. Like, all right, well, I need this blood test, this gene test. And so I did it. And when I got, we were sleep one night. And at one o'clock in the morning, the lab calls us, lab court. So my name was on the call sheet for the lab for our clinic. So they run the blood work through the night. If they find a life-threatening alert, they call. They call. the person on the account. So it's one o'clock in the morning. I see Lab Corp, Lab Corp, so I answer it. And they were like, hey, we have a life-threatening alert on a client. And I was like, by way, Dana has put all this in the public domain. So, and I was like, okay, what's the last name of the client? And they were like, White. And I was like, Dana White. And I was like, well, what's the alert? And it was like a triglyceride alert. His blood fat was so high. His triglycerides were

800, which if you know anything about blood work, I mean, having fasted triglycerides at 800 is life-threatening. I mean, that's the, you basically have a higher percentage of fat in your blood than blood. You know, his blood was solid at room temperature. So I got off the phone with Lap Corp, and I booked my flight to Vegas leaving at 6.50 in the morning. I was in Miami. So I would be in Vegas by 9 o'clock in the morning. I was supposed to meet with Dana on a phone call at 10 a.m.

We were just going to do a phone call. When I landed in Vegas at 9, his assistant calls me, Nicole, and was like, you know, we're Dana, we're going to do this call with Dana 10 o'clock. And I'm like, oh, no, I'm in Vegas. And she was like, oh, no, that wasn't necessary. We can just do it by phone. I go, oh, no, no, we need to meet. And she goes, oh, is there something serious?

And I was like, yeah, it's pretty serious. And she's like, is there anything I can tell Dana? And I was like, you know, sadly, I can't tell you unless Dana gives me permission to tell you, but I need to see Dana at 10 o'clock in the morning. And then so Dana comes into the office and he's like, dude, what's up? And instead of going through his blood work, I just, I, I, I didn't talk to him about a single level in his blood. I just described exactly what it was like to be inside of his body 24 hours a day. And it freaked him out to such a level that he said, I'll do whatever you say for 10 weeks.

Because I said, I can see that you wake up sore and achy in the morning like you had a workout the night before when you haven't. And I bet it really bothers you when you get out of bed first thing in the morning and souls your feet and your ankles are so tender that you can barely walk to the bathroom and take your first piss. I said, Dana, I can see that a few nights a week, you're waking up so hypoxic. I wouldn't be surprised if you're vomiting at night. And he was like, wow, dude, who told you that? And then I said, you know, it's, I bet one of the things that bothers you most is that it's painful for you to bend down and tie your own shoes. And dude, he took an open, have you ever been in his office?

He has that big conference table. Right, when you walk into the left hand side, he took an open palm and slammed it down on the table and jumped up. He goes, who the fuck told you that? He's like, I've even told my wife that how do you know that is painful for me to tie my shoes? And I'm like, dude, your triglycerides are so high. It's called clotication. You're, when you bend down and put pressure into your legs,

all that fats plug in the end of your arteries. It's irritating the nerves. It feels like the skin's going to peel off your legs. He's like, nobody, I haven't told anybody that. And so I just described what it was like to be inside of his body. I didn't say, oh, your C-reactive protein is this, and your hemoglobin A1C is that, because you'll just lose them. And I said, look, the good news is, if I can see the symptom in your labs, we can fix it.

And he was like, how long is it going to take? No, my 10 weeks. And dude, six weeks in, he calls me freaking out. He's like, I feel fucking amazing, dude. My legs don't hurt anymore. I slept the first night without a CPAP machine. I remember the first time he called me, he was like, dude, something's wrong, Gary.

And I'm like, what's up? He said, the last three days, four days, I'm going into the gym. He's like, every time I step on the treadmill or pick up a weight, I immediately get lightheaded. And I was like, oh my God, dude, that's a great sign. And he said, what are you talking about? And I said, you know, you're on blood pressure medication. So when your blood pressure is high, your blood pressure will make you normal.

When your blood pressure is normal, your medication will make you low. It'll make you hypostolic. make you lightheaded. So this is this is the point where I need to get get with the doctors and start titrating you off of your your blood pressure medication because I'm not a doctor. I'm not licensed practice medicine. So I brought I brought in our our doc and she put him on a titration protocol to start titrating down on his meds. And so as his blood pressure began to drop, we started lowering his medication eventually down to zero. His blood pressure to this day is still normal. He was on three BP Mets. That's crazy to try to. You know we first met him and he was on CEE.

Epap. Yeah, we remember February of 22. Was it 22? Yeah. In Arizona and he was like you were the main topic of conversation. Really? He was shown a shirtless picks. He was shown.

Yeah. It was you and Harley Davidson's. Really? Yeah. That was basically the first conversation we ever had with Dana. Yeah. Is all that how jacked up he was about living life all of a sudden. Yeah, it's awesome.

It is, it's incredible. Yeah. I mean, if you have those kind of results with Dana, jelly roll. and how much of a turnaround. It's been incredible to see. Yeah, that was amazing. He's almost like, nuts, man.

Watching him at SummerSlam, being able to even do some of the things that you knew like a year ago, he wouldn't even be able to accomplish. It's incredible. He was, he sent me, actually, you found it. My daughter found it. I don't know if I should say this on a podcast,

but I actually didn't know who he was when he texts me. And, I mean, I knew his music, but I didn't connect it to Jelly Roll. I knew God I'd need a favor. I mean, I knew his music. I'm a big fan of country music. I was actually a fan of his music. I didn't connect him to this guy.

And I got a DM one day from him and he said, do you work with fat people? And so she comes in and she's like, oh, my God, jelly roll, you know, sent you DM. I'm like, ooh, jelly roll. And she's like, he's like the biggest country music sensation right now. And she started playing the songs. I'm like, oh, I know that song. I know that song. So we went out, we flew out and met him in L.A.

And we flew on his jet to Vegas. So I had him do some blood work, had him do the gene testing. We got on the plane with him in L.A. and we just flew private to Vegas. And I did the whole lab review forum on the plane. And I said the same thing to him that I said to Dana. You know, in 10 weeks, you're just not going to recognize yourself. And to his credit, he did exactly everything I said,

to a T for that first 10 weeks. He started cold plunging. We made him get in 10,000 steps a day. He actually participated in my 10,000 step challenge. He set a goal for himself to run a 5K. Now, he's worked with other people like Brigham Bueller and, you know, other folks other than myself that are partially responsible for this. But when we started with him, I'll never forget that flight because, remember, he started, it was actually very sad. Because I could see this guy's heart. I'm like, he's a good human. Like he is just his value system, the love that he has for the music, how grateful he is for the opportunity, you know, given his past and, you know, his record and incarceration and everything.

Like he's, he's one of the most grateful, humble human beings I've ever met. But he could barely fit in this private airplane seat that we were in. And he started talking to us describing what it was like to go. go through a day in the life of just being him and his weight. And I'd never had somebody that weighed 500 pounds ever described to me what it was like to be trapped in a 500 pound body. And like he would say, I have to sleep on my side and wedge myself in with pillows because if I roll on my back at night, I'll suffocate, I'll vomit, you know, because you got 250 pounds just laying on your lungs. And he was like, you know, I never turned the radio down in the car because when I pull up to

a stoplight and I, and I stop at a stoplight, I can hear myself wheezing. So I'll just turn the radio up to bury the sound of my own breath wheezing. And just the struggle watching him just get in and out of an airplane and up and down from a seat. And like he went through the struggle of what it was like. And he said every morning that he would wake up, he said, as soon as he would wake up, he would thank God that he didn't die that night because he felt like he was going to die every night he went to sleep and just listening to him describe that 45 minutes to get out of bed and and and he was he was broken from that standpoint like he is in a place he's like I'm ready to commit to changing this because God's given me this opportunity to have my music serve the world and I

feel like I'm going to die so he was one of the I mean we've worked with a lot of a lot of folks but But, you know, he is one of the most genuine human beings. And to see that transition right there is just, is just amazing, man. No, no better human being for that day. That's probably added 26 or 28 years to his life, too. Just, you know, you think about every pound of body fat that you have adds six extra miles of blood vessel to your body. So 10 pounds of fat is 60 miles of blood vessel. 100 pounds is 600 miles.

So when you're 250 or 300 pounds overweight, the unnecessary distance that your heart has to pump blood to service tissue that is not useful to you is amazing. By getting all of that back now, I mean, it's incredible, incredible for him. And the dude's like a cold plunge maniac. He did the 5K. He walked his first 5K. It's awesome.

It'd be awesome when he'd be awesome. He gets his goal to have you and him on together talk about the journey. Yeah. No. We've missed a few times. We've set it up for a couple of concerts that he was going to do. I actually did the Great World Race with my son. It was like seven marathons, seven continents, and seven days.

And I got back from that. And I was so broken. I was so broken. And I got a really bad stomach virus from like Istanbul or something. I forget either Istanbul. bowl of Cartagena, I picked up a really, really bad stomach virus. So I was supposed to do the pod with jelly at his conference or his concert and had to cancel. But we're going to do it again. Yeah. I can't wait for him to tell that story again. I can't wait. One, I'm looking at like

circling back on the, the access, like if longevity becomes widely available, which I feel like it's starting to make his push to be widely available. How do we get it to being for everyone versus just the privilege and for the wealthy. Well, first of all, like I said, when the powers to be health and human services, NIH, CDC, FDA, when they realize that it is less expensive to prevent chronic disease than it is to treat it, when it becomes a fiscal advantage to be in service to humanity and not in service to the corporations that fund their campaigns, you're going to see this,

the lifestyle medicine shift to the masses. You feel like it's going to be more of like dropping, showing them the expense and cost of it being down, but also on the other side, the profitability of people being a more, than living, healthier life. I feel like if you, I can hear it being like you,

you drop the expenses down, but I wonder the profits that it would completely cut up because people are now healthy and not needing to go to the doctor because they're working with, you know, they're working with places that only have, you know, several hundred clients or a couple hundred clients. Probably like yourself. You probably work with like a handful of people and then you probably have to scale a little bit or work with other doctors compared to when you're going into a regular hospital or a regular doctor. They're working with thousands of clients, so you're only going to get that 15 minute attention. I feel like you want you cut you'll cut the expenses, but it's like, I wonder the investor or the capitalism mind sees it's like, well,

how is this going to cut? You know, if people aren't sick anymore, then how are we going to continue to make money? Well, they can continue to make money. But, you know, what's really interesting is, you know, the way that a lot of other socialized health care systems work is they're incentivized to keep the population healthy because it's too expensive for them to be sick. We have the polar opposite here. We have a sick care system because we have a sick profit system.

You know, so the majority of the money is in the medicine, right? So, for example, if I can get you to subscribe to the fact that you have a genetically inherited disease, I can get you to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. And so we develop a lot of these fallacies like, you know, if there's something in medicine called idiopathic, okay, idiopathic means of unknown origin, meaning we have no idea what's causing this. 85% of all high blood pressure is idiopathic. It's of unknown origin. don't know what's causing it. You know what we do? We medicate the heart anyway. For a crime, we can't prove that it's committing. There is zero causal link between LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular disease. LDL cholesterol on its own is not a marker for cardiovascular disease,

yet we use it to put 65% of the population on statin medication. So we've developed a lot of these fallacies that say, okay, well, if I can't tell you why you have high blood pressure, let's look at your family history. Oh, look at this. Your father's brother had high blood pressure and your mom's brother had high blood pressure. You have genetically inherited hypertension. You have familial hypertension. If you took it a step further and looked your doctor in the eye and said, okay, well, what gene did I inherit from my uncle that gave me this condition? Their face would go blank, right? Because that gene doesn't exist. And if that gene doesn't exist, that means that that condition does not exist. We don't pass disease very rarely from

generation to generation. We pass deficiency from generation to generation. We have a pandemic of nutrient, vitamin, and mineral deficiencies in this country. We do not have a pandemic of chronic disease. If you actually looked at a soil lineage study done in 1945 versus one done in 2023, you would see that the soil is just so depleted of nutrients, raw materials, minerals, right? And that now, you know, a leaf of spinach then is not like a leaf of spinach now. And so as we shift to actually better agricultural practices, you're going to see this trickle into the masses,

as we realize that physical education, things like sleep, things like connection, things like sense of purpose, community, whole food diets, you're going to see that this actually, and I believe that Maha is going to lead, lead this charge, you're going to see that this shift becomes the most profitable thing for our country. And eventually it will be unpopular for politicians to be on the other side of this movement. You know, like if you look at some of the big movements of our time, like the Me Too movement,

for example, that snowball started rolling downhill and it got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. So for you to be against that movement, you had to be almost pro-domestic violence. Well, I mean, to be against the Maha movement, you're eventually going to have to be pro-childhood cancer, pro-morbid obesity, pro-chronic disease. I mean, the light is being shed on the corruption in our food supply, the corruption in our nutritional research. And eventually it will be more profitable for these companies to conform, which is a good thing, and then it will be for them to resist it. And so, you know, I get attacked in the media for it all the time. I get called a pseudoscientist. you know, I'm not a doctor. I never pretend to be a doctor. I'm very consistent about saying

I'm not a doctor and not licensed practice medicine, but they, what they call me the other day, a chemophobe. I kind of like that. You know, if you're afraid of chemicals. I want to get, I want to get a shirt that says chemophobe. Probably should. Yeah, we should all be chemophobic. But, but so to answer your question, you know, and I say this all the time, like, it's, it's, the secret to longevity. Look at the people that are living the longest. Like, we have data, right? You know, if you went to Sardinia, for example, where one of the longest life expectancies on Earth, you wouldn't find, you'd find they're the highest carbohydrate consumption in the world. Longest life expectancy. Then you go to Singapore, one of the highest meat consumptions in the world, but very long life expectancy. You go to the Mediterranean and they eat very high fatty fish and lots of oils, very long life expectancy. Then the French are fucking the whole model up because they're smoking cigarettes and drinking wine and eating cheese, and they're living forever. The continuity between all of that is the absence of processed food. It's a whole food diet. Yeah.

Whole food's only, bring cigarettes back. I see Marlorettes. I actually grew up on a tobacco farm, believe it or not. I cut tobacco. I did hear that. I don't know what I was listening to, but I remember hearing you talking about how a labor intensive it is. It is the most intense labor you'll ever do in your life.

If anybody listening to this has ever cut tobacco, they will tell you I've never had a job harder than cutting tobacco because you cut it in August. I lived in southern Maryland, upper Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro country. Remember the Marlboro man? Yeah. So what these guys do, yeah, basically what you do is imagine just a field. See that little machete?

Yeah, yeah, I saw it. That's exactly how you cut tobacco. You push it over and you cut it. So you walk like that for miles through these fields. And you push it over. Just watched that video. Oh, dude, you want to talk about low back? Oh, then you put those plants on a stick, five or six of them to a stick, and it weighs like 60.

pounds and you've got to climb them up in these barns that are like five six stories tall they were not built by OSHA certified engineers either like this is like a dude it's like two bottles why did the stocks have so high because you you hang them in these barns you have these tobacco barns and they're five or six stories high they got tin roofs they got these little slats you open on the side to allow the tobacco to breathe because the tobacco is green and it's gummy you know and you got to dry it all out and so you hang these sticks at different yeah there there is See those little rafters? Okay, you climb up in those rafters

and you straddle them like this. You grab these sticks between your legs and you pass it to the guy above you and then he passes it up and he passes it up. And your head is against this tin ceiling. See that? That's exactly what it's like. Oh, God, it's bringing back horrible memories. Fucking horrible.

My parents were abusive. Captain John Breck-O-Wrek-old, like, how did you let me do this, Dad? Yeah. So see how high they are? Okay, the guy up the top, okay, that's, That's the youngest guy that's getting paid the least. And he's standing next to that hot tin roof in August.

It's like 130. That thing weighs 65 pounds he's carrying right there. And they just, see how jacked he is? Yeah. Just from hanging tobacco. So yeah. So what you're saying is bring it back. Dude, I'm telling you, that's, I think that's where I got my work ethic.

I cut tobacco just growing up. I mean, I was making $5 an hour when I was 13, 14 years old, which back then was great. To pay it back on the Maha, I think you're talking about how you think Maha is going to prove it to where it's going to show that, hey, it's more profitable to actually keep people healthy than the extra opposite. Not taking down. Yeah, you don't have to keep keeping everybody accountable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't have to take down pharma. You just have to hold them accountable.

I mean, you think about what happened during the last pandemic, right? I mean, this, and I don't care what side of the vaccine aisle you're on. But when we developed, when the MRNA vaccine was developed, this was a completely untested novel theory, right? Most of the time we make vaccines. First of all, vaccine is supposed to prevent the infection and prevent the spread. Okay. Forget the fact that you would have less severe symptoms. It prevents the infection and the spread.

And so basically a virus is not a living thing. A virus is an envelope that contains DNA inside of it. So what we used to do is we would take the envelope and we would take the DNA out. Let's say a polio. Okay, you take the polio envelope. and you take the DNA out. Now you have what's called an attenuated virus. I can put this polio virus in your body

because it doesn't have DNA and it can't infect you. But it can light your immune system up. That's a true vaccine, right? I expose your immune system to this. It's called the nuclear caps of protein and your immune system lights up. But this virus doesn't have any DNA

so it can't give you polio. So then, you know, Big Pharma comes along and say, hey, we can actually make these out of mRNA. Well, most people don't know what MRN is, but if you actually take a cell, then you go through the cell wall and you'd define the nucleus of the cell, inside the nucleus of your cell, 32 trillion cells, is the DNA. The DNA is the boss. It's the CEO.

The DNA is running the show. It has two roles. One is called replication. It makes an exact copy of itself. But the other one is called transcription. So if I was the DNA sitting in a nucleus, I was. would be writing you guys messages telling you what to do. You go make this protein, you throw this nutrient out, you bring this nutrient in.

Okay, those messages are called MRNA. Okay, so my notepad that sends you an instruction is MRNA, messenger ribonucleic acid. So when I give you that message, if it was a normal circumstance inside of a cell, you would go conduct that task. And when you got back to your desk, the message would be gone. Organically, if I said, go make the spike protein and you got back to your desk, the message is degraded. What Pfizer did was they took a synthetic copy

of the notepad. They took a synthetic copy of the DNA's message. The only problem they didn't realize was that message never degrades. So now I say, go make the spike protein. You get back to your desk, go make the spike protein, and you come back to your desk, go make the spike protein. Right.

Go make the spike protein. That message, the MRNA never degraded. So the message continued to tell this cell to make this thing called a spike protein. Now, what happens is the spike protein then goes into the blood. Now you have to start dividing the populace into categories. Number one, can you clear the spike protein? Great. You have no complications from the vaccine.

Can you marginally clear the spike protein? Okay, you have marginal symptoms, weight gain, water retention, brain fog, muscle aches, poor focus, poor concentration, hormone disruption, shit that you can live with. Then the third of the population has very severe consequences. They can't clear the spike protein at all. Turbo cancers, trigeminal neuralgias, myocarditis, pericarditis, the people that died the fastest. Because, again, it goes back to the theory that the biggest fallacy in modern medicine is that what goes into my body and your body and your body is all treated exactly the same way.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's say the three of us ate the exact same amount of mercury-laden tuna fish every single day. Same amount of mercury and the same amount of tuna fish every day for 90 days. I might have deadly mercury poisoning. You have some joint pain and some brain frog. You got nothing. No trace of mercury in your system at all because we all methylate and rid these things differently. So the fucked up thing, if you will, about this mRNA vaccine is we were like, okay, we've never done this in humans.

We have no safety trials. We have no clinical data proving effectiveness. Yeah, let's rip it. Let's give it a run. And let's mandate it. And then we put this gene experiment in and we call it a gene experiment because it turns activities in the cells on that we don't know if it's ever going to turn off. Right. So if you're concerned about that, you can do spike protein detox.

Peter McCullough has one. These are cheap, natokinase and other over-the-counter things that you can get that will clear the spike protein from from your body, but I don't know how we got down that road, but was I answering question? You answered. Or is I just don't understand it. You'll tell you. You started. You started bringing in the vaccines.

I brought up the Maha thing. Oh. That caught me down the vaccine road. Yeah, you got you done the vaccine road, which is, which is great. In the way you tell it, anybody can understand how it all works, which is awesome. But you're looking at the transition of how America is trying to fix you to where America is constantly trying to help you to where you don't have to necessarily be fixed. What is the timetable in your mind that America or Maha or these movements you're trying to make?

You're showing actual data to be like, see, look how far this is down. Look how these autoimmune diseases down. Like, when do you think you'll be able to have a leg to stand on as far as data goes? Well, first, already the data is already coming in. I mean, one of the things that was released in what's called the Maha report was what Bobby Kennedy wanted to do was look at what are the links to the skyrocketing rates of autism. What are the links to the skyrocketing rates of obesity? And what's really cool about the approach that's being taken is that we're not going to say, we're banning all of these substances for no reason.

What we're doing is we're going to say, we're going to look at the data, and we're going to force certain things like vaccines to go through the same level of rigorous testing that other pharmaceuticals do. We're not going to give them an end around. You're not going to take the vaccine schedule from eight in the 1970s to 79 vaccines in 2025 and tell us that in that span of time, we needed 71 more vaccines in order to protect the population, especially when the majority of these have not gone through intense, rigorous safety trials. So that's the first thing is you're going to see that

a lot of these things are going to collapse under their own weight because they don't have the right amount of safety data. The second thing that you're going to see is real intentional research on highly processed food ingredients because we cannot sustain the rates of autism which have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 32 children. I mean, think about that for a minute. One in 10,000 to 1 in 32. When I graduated high school,

first of all, I had never even heard of autism. I don't know an autistic, I didn't know an autistic child. I didn't even know somebody who knew somebody with autism. She's 17 years old. She knows 10 kids with autism. I mean, that is really scary, right? It's sort of become semi the norm.

So when we reach tipping points like this, and you have organizations like end chronic disease and moms across America and the MAHA action, this movement is becoming such a boulder rolling downhill that you are seeing politicians that do not want to stand in front of it and they're saying, hey, you know what? I am not going to vote for House Appropriations Bill 453 because I'm not going to protect chemical companies at the expense of residents of my state. And that is where you're going to see the fastest shift when it becomes politically unpopular to stand with chronic disease and against, you know, fixing fixing the problem. Again, you know, think about the fact that there are bills working their way through Congress like House Appropriations Bill 453, where these chemical companies are right on the verge of getting broad, sweeping immunity to be allowed to sell chemicals. They can't sell in their own country, to our country, poison the population

in mass and have no responsibility. You start cutting those things off and then it becomes more profitable for food, pharma, and ag to actually do the right thing. That's when you will see massive shifts in the status of health care in America. Do you sense taking on this massive goal and you realize you're affecting so many wallets at people that are so big everywhere? Has there ever been a concern for your own safety doing the things that you're doing? No question. No question.

We talk about it all the time. You know, I'm in the process now of potentially getting full-time security, which I never thought I would ever have to think about that. Interestingly, you know, when we do digging on some of the well-funded sort of. There were hundreds of physicians that signed a petition at me, permanently banned from social media, mainly because they'll say I'm practicing medicine without a license. I actually am proud of the fact, and I'm very, I disclosed the fact I am not a physician. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I'm not trying to give you medical advice. What I'm trying to do is distill the big data

and give it to you in a way that you can understand it. And what's happening now for the first time in our nation's history is the convergence of artificial intelligence, big data, and early detection is about to circumvent the entire medical system. We're going to upend our modern medical system in a way that's going to be catastrophic for certain players in the system. And the reason why that's going to happen is because the big data doesn't lie. And now we have all of the data and we're starting to publicize the statistics. And, you know, that 74% of our nutritional research is funded by food and pharma. I mean, Bobby Kennedy wiped out the hierarchy at the FDA, wiped out the hierarchy at the CDC.

And we're putting people in there that have a spiritual intention to help humanity. You know, it's as much of a spiritual revolution as it is, you know, a financial revolution. Like, it just has to come to an end. And I think finally people are starting to stand up to this. Every single person listening to this podcast right now has either had or knows somebody very close to them that has cancer. If you ask that same question 50 years ago, it would be rare. Oh, you know, somebody I went to high school with her, that his mom had breast cancer. Like right now, if you said, how many people do you know that have breast cancer?

How many people in your family have suffered from cancer? I mean, it's the proximity of these conditions and diseases is right in our faces. And people have had it, right? And the sad thing is, you know, you're walking down the food aisle and, you know, this shit is in your grocery source. Like, I don't have an issue with seed oils, for example. Just just pick on seed oils for a minute. It's not the plant.

It's the distance from the plant to the table, right? When you take a canola plant, we're also called a rape seed, and you put it in a commercial press and it comes out gummy, then you de gum it with hexane, which is a known neurotoxin. Then you take that neurotoxic degumed oil and you heat it to 405 degrees.

Well, now you turn it rancet. It's putrified. It stinks. So now you deodorize it with sodium hydroxide. That's a known carcinogen. And then you take a carcinogen and a neurotoxin,

you deodorize and degum the oil. And then before you bottle it, you bleach it. And then you put it on the shelf. Right? You ever walk down to like the, the food island, you see like Wesson oils or the vegetable oils, and they're all exactly the same color. It's that beautiful, perfect yellow. And then there's American Heart Association,

one of the most corrupt in the country, putting a heart healthy label on that. Why? Because they're funded by big food. And so that whole system is being dismantled right now. You know, and it's going to be, it's going to be American first. It's going to be, you know, our children first. And at some point, Even the politicians that want to take the other side of this equation are realizing, man, I have, I have children. I've got people of my family suffering from these diseases. You know, I'm trying to raise children. The fact that my kids have a shorter life expectancy than I do, statistically speaking, that's not what I want to be my legacy. What does it look like for you 20, 30 years from now?

You talk about all the statistics that America is in and they're doing, we're doing awful, whatever the main statistics are. How does America look to you in 20, 30 years? Can it be completely reversed? It can absolutely be completely reversed. You know, we can become the agricultural powerhouse that we were 50 years ago, meaning that we can actually, you can regenerative, sustainable farming, we're actually going to dispel a lot of the myths that cow farts relating to, you know, greenhouse emissions.

You're seeing the food pyramid be rewritten now by people like Dr. Mark Hyman. I mean, serious, you know, licensed medical professionals have dedicated their lives to nutrition. So I think in 10 years, our modern educational system and food system will, has the chance to be repaired to the point where you will see a massive reversal in chronic, in chronic disease. And a lot of it has to do with the success of the Maha mission because this is legislative. These are legislative initiatives going on at the state level, going after the SNAP program, trying to get. get petroleum-based food dies out of this food system, trying to get high sugary sodas out of those systems, looking at herbicides, insecticides, and pesticides, and like, hey, what kind of issues do these cause when we take these micro poisons into our bodies and our bodies can't get rid of them?

And I think you're going to see the shift from major legislative initiatives to supporting our farmers and the soil and the food instead of these massive. of industrial farms. You know, Bobby Kennedy is now like back to farmers markets and trying to get, you know, the nutrition and the health of the soil fixed because really the health of humanity goes back to the health of the soil. And so I'm very bullish on the future of America, 10, 15, 20 years from now. I think that we can reverse the pandemic of chronic disease. I think that we can get real data on the truth around vaccines and whether or not we should believe more in what, you know, man makes us than God gave us. You know, if you look at what

really put the pandemic into recession, it was herd immunity from natural infection. It wasn't mass vaccination. The mass vaccination failed because it needed mass repetitive boosting. So it wasn't the vaccination and the repetitive boosting. It was the fact that people's immune system kicked in and wiped this virus out. It's called your herd immunity. But we didn't reach there from chemicals and synthetics, we reach that because of natural, natural infection. So I'm very bullish on it over the next 20 years. How long do you want to live? You know, right now I'm pushing 120, you know, by my glycan age score.

So, and I'm not psycho about it. I mean, you heard about some of my misgivings. I never go off the Blizzard bandwagon, but I just want to play that out there. But, you know, I think it's what is probable, not what's possible. I think, you know, because I've been blessed to discover, like I would call it the true meaning of life, you know, how it's really about connection and about community and about a, you know, like a shared sense of purpose. The Gary Breck of 10 or 15 years ago is not the Gary Breck of that sit in front of

of you today. You know, it was very narcissistic, very myopic, very, I was oriented around trying to be, you know, wealthy. And I never became wealthy until I started focusing on other people's well-being. And I'm starting to really understand, you know, how the universe works and starting to, you know, value my family and my opportunities that I've had in different ways. And I think that's what's going to extend my life. You know, it's not the red light bed or the hydrogen nanobath, it's just going to be that basic connection, you know, back with my, you know, back with my family, whole food diet, focusing on my sleep, getting regular exercise. As you can see, I'm not the most jacked person in the world, but I work out for longevity.

Good. Fantastic. And I see the flex? Yeah, yeah, see the flex. So, so, you know, I'm excited. But right now, I'm based on my glycan age, I should hit 120. Okay. I'd like to see it maybe go to 140.

140 solid 140 solid like 92 92 that's such an odd number dude I don't mind that it's like if I fix your back pain you might want to live a lot longer

for sure but then I think to myself like say I was set to live to 120 I feel like I'm just going to outlive everybody that I've loved and I watched them die which is a wild thought of it but that's just like you know you get to a certain age

And it's like people just, people want to come and take photos of you for being 120. Yeah. Exactly. You might not have your wife. You know what I mean? Like if your kids, like you're going to be so old. Like what, what great grandkids are like, I get to go to my great grandpa's house. Yeah.

None of them. That's true. Maybe there's like a, maybe there's a rare few out there. You know what? Actually, but it's my wife's grand win. I'm not going to let my wife bail early on me. My daughter. My daughter is named after my wife's grandfather.

They get excited to go there. That's a great grandfather. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great grandpa. He does a, he had, I think he had diagnosed with cancer when Taylor,

my wife was 13. She's 31 now. Wow. 32. And he's still alive. Yeah, but grandpa win. He's probably out there and he probably,

he probably wants you guys to just come. He's probably want you guys to come and visit more. Yeah. Yeah. So there's like some isolation. I know I'm getting more, but he's how old. I don't disagree with that at all.

I'm just, you outlive everybody, right? I thought to my wife and I'm like, you better. die first. Well, they say, you know, like, I better die first. Broken heart syndrome, loneliness is a real thing. Yeah. We knew in the mortality space, for example, if you wanted to cut a human being's life expectancy in half at any age, and I mean at any age, you put them in isolation.

Like, isolation is the most detrimental thing to longevity. It's so, you know, and the, and the crazy thing is so many of us are getting isolated in plain sight because we think connection is through our phones. Yeah. Right. Connection is what we're doing right now. What you guys do every day on the podcast, you know. Connection is it's medicine. You know, again, the blue zones prove this too. You know, there was no, there were no longevity hotspots that were they didn't see people had a sense of community and purpose and, you know, and a connection. So like, there's something to be said for what you're saying. Like, you know, you start losing your loved ones and your and your soulmate and then your will to go that long. But anyway. On the chart, I'm making it to 120. That would be tough. Yeah. I think if Sage leaves around 110, then maybe I'll check out at one 10.

God forbid something happens to saves. I'm sorry, you have to be the process of this conversation. But like, she goes, you're 90. It's like, I got 30 more years. Yeah. No, I might bail. Well, yeah. Are you saying?

Head to Oregon, Switzerland, do it needs to be done. Yeah. Funny last see in a minute. Yeah. We talk about that morbid shit too. She's like, I don't want to do life without you. I'm like, I don't want to do life without you either. I saw this old couple.

Let's pinky swear not to die. I saw this. Yeah. Yeah. I was all in one of the ads, one of the social apps. I just saw this really old couple. They seemed like they were like, you know, around 100 years old. And the wife's just sitting there on the deathbed and holding his hand. It's like this old couple spending their last moments together and stuff. And I'm just like, you just see how old they are and everything. It's like, man, you got to enjoy the life that you have right now. Amen. If you look at your wife, like, we're going to look like such different people when we're 90 to 100. And if you're losing your soulmate, like right in front of you, it's like, what a fucking ride that we had. One's got a, watch the other one fucking die. Yeah. It makes me a little sad.

Yeah. You just pray you're the one that goes first. Yeah. 40 years from today, there's not a person listening to this podcast that would not give every single thing that they have at that moment to be back in this moment. God. Amen, bro. And it's like, how do you consistently keep that perspective?

Because it's so easy to walk off this bus and then go chase something new or be excited about whatever. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's that exact video that I've seen is the, it's the male is talking the female, right? And he said, how do you see me? Can you hear me? She's like laying there and you're like, oh my God.

Yeah. Yeah. Broganine syndrome is a very real thing. You know, we said in the mortality space, if you had a long duration marriage and one spouse passed away, you would dramatically shorten the life expectancy of the other spouse. And life just blows, man. Like, you know, I'm sure you guys talk about it. Are you the oldest?

She's the youngest. You're the youngest. But Rue, we have two. She's the oldest. She's three. She just went to school last week. And so, you know, wife and I were just laying in bed and you were just like, man, she just, they just grow, bro. Yeah.

Dude, Sage and I on the one of the one of the men. Then they're going to not give a shit about what we say. And like on the plane here, we had like a good cry. We had a little private moment about just how how excited that we are, how proud we are that our kids are on this journey with us. So my oldest daughter, my, my two sons and her all all work with us full. time. So we travel together. We see clients together. They're all in the business. My son has the the hydrogen tablet company. My daughter's launching a chemical-free skincare line. She's launching chemical-free clothing. And so it's all under the umbrella, you know, and we work together,

we travel together, we vacation together. And that is the greatest blessing in life. Like we were just thinking we weren't fortunate for like the size of our audience or the monetary side of things, but just the fact that our adult children still love to hang out with us. They're all here in town. We're all in Nashville. My son's here. My daughter's here. She's here.

And they're at their booths for their products for companies. They founded that they're launching in health space. And like to me, that's the greatest measure of success. Yeah. You know. Yeah. You'll know it one day. Then you start to get inspired by your kids.

I completely get what they're saying. Yeah. Listen to me, young lady. Tell me right now. You're going to be sharing those private cries with your wife. Yeah. We did, didn't we? It was just her and I on the plane.

We had a nice little, nice little cry. Nice cry. What? You want to hit the last question? Yeah. What do you got? Four tiers start actually come up. I know.

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Cancer family. Oh. Give an example of what Josh, what Josh was saying. Josh had a great one. His was he would like to just be able to before like cameras existed, go back in time and be able to view anything he wanted. So like dinosaurs. Being able to see, I don't know what.

I gave an example. Like live streaming the last supper. Yeah. The building of the pyramids. Yeah. Building of the pyramid. I mean, you know, I guess for me, You know, my measure of success now has been about impact.

It's been about how many lives can this message land on, right? Because I feel like the message is designed to educate people to inspire them to make a change. So what would I do anything for? I would do anything to amplify the message that gets people to make a transformation in their life, you know, positive transformation. into life. So if somebody listening to this podcast is like, I'm not going to give me a dime or log onto my Instagram or anything, but I'm going to take what he said, those four or five things. I'm going to start practicing those things in my daily life. That would be, yeah, that would be something I'd do anything for to amplify that message.

Dude, I will tell you this. Obviously, I've known about you for a long time. And then getting to meet you at the Super Bowl, we have that little change of the wind thing happening where you had that bet slip. Oh, that's right. And it was the craziest sequence of events. Dude, we did super bond over that. He had this bet slip. And he's like, I think my bet's dead. I was like, no, like these four things happen. That bet will hit. But it was like they had to have a kickoff and then return, but not score. And then this happens. But basically, he ends up hitting the bet. And I obviously knew about you. I was a fan before we even had that conversation. I get to meet your beautiful wife. We exchanged numbers. We've been talking for a long time. Whoa, I didn't know.

No, you've seen something more on that later. Sorry about that. But we end up talking about, hey, we should come down to Miami. We should do all these things. It is honestly such a pleasure to have you on this bus and to have this conversation for two plus hours, whatever it's been. Dude, thank you, man. Because it has been awesome. It's awesome to see your movement.

It's awesome to take these little pieces that you give us and implement into our lives because you actually get to see the changes. So thank you for taking the time and coming on this bus. Dude, that is awesome, man. It has been awesome. I appreciate it too. Like getting to sit with somebody, two of your stature. Like Taylor and I, like going back to the accountability stuff, but just. playing football and being so

indirectly influenced by a lot of things that you do and people like in your industry like getting to sit two on one and have these conversations is really cool. This is amazing man. I love this. You and I've been talking about this for a long time. If you're in my back like that's forever.

Yeah. Every UFC fight we see each other out we're like we gotta do the pods we'll do your paw I'll do your pot and then you know usually kind of just like a week goes by and we get busy. Yeah yeah. And you know what? Accountability. It's on me. I'm the one that always lets it fall through. Yeah.

But I'm happy we finally. Dude, I'm so pumped too, man. This has been great. And I hope your audience gets a lot out of it. I am going to, from the day we start 10 weeks on the calendar, that's what I want on the calendar. And it's going to be life-changing for you. We'll get back on and talk about it. I'm going to go throw my back out tomorrow.

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