Bussin' With The Boys - Is Patrick Mahomes Now The Goat? + Stu Feiner's Insane Gambling Life

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

Recorded: January 24th 2024 | In this week's episode we are joined by the man, the myth, the legend, Stu Feiner. He blessed us with his presence on Slips & Picks and following that, he hopped on the bus to chat with the boys. This whole pod really feels like story time Uncle Stu. The guys immediately get into it and start all the way from the beginning. Stu gives his life story from where he grew up, the struggles he had as a kid by getting bullied in school and the tough home life he had with his family. He gets into some crazy stories from his childhood and it seemed like he had some wild story from each grade growing up. Following his childhood, he dives into how he got into the sports gambling world and became the biggest sports picker in the country. Stu talks about why he decided he wanted to get into the gambling world and all of the different roadblocks that he ran into on his way to the top. He talks about how many lucky breaks he has had but also gets into the massive unlucky breaks he had, some including missing out on 10's of millions of dollars. As he is telling these stories from back in the day, you can't help but visualize everything that is happening and it almost makes it feel like he was a part of an old gangster/mafia movie. Some of the stories he gets into just seem unbelievable but they are most certainly true. Finally the guys get into the movie that was made about Stu "Two For The Money". He talks about the backstory in that movie getting made and how never saw anything from the movie, he wasn't even allowed to be at the premiere of the movie. After this interview, you can't help but think Stu is one of the most interesting people alive. Strap in and enjoy! 0:00 Intro 3:03 Hunting With The Boys 16:55 The Chiefs And Taylor Swift Are Inevitable 34:22 Has Mahomes Entered The Room? 39:43 Can Mitch Redeem Himself? 50:08 Bringing It Back Even Though We Did It Last Week 1:00:20 STU FEINER INTERVIEW STARTS 1:01:57 The Start Of Stu 1:32:30 Stu’s Gambling Life, Literally And Figuratively 2:33:36 The NFL Came After Stu 2:58:30 How Stu Feels About His Reputation 3:11:03 Al Pacino = Stu Feiner 3:25:50 The Tale Of 2 Stu’s 3:37:24 Stu And Barstool MarriageFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's talk. Do you have some? Oh, for real? Today as in Monday or today is in Tuesday. Okay. All right. So if you're listening to this right now, Meat Eater, the boy and I,

we went up to Montana. I know. It's awesome. We went up there with a couple of the meat eater guys. We went on a duck hunt. It was, we were definitely fish out of water in a couple of situations. We did solid now. No, no, no.

We did well. Now, they have a vlog that's coming out that'll show all of that. Boy, he's pretty solid. Yeah, Steve, Cal's dog. Steve was, Steve is truly, when you watch the show alone, he's the victor every single time. He's the guy that can just put things together. I think we told the story about the beaver, but literally like me, JP, Will, we were sitting in his truck with him, like his,

three kids watching him essentially put together traps and all that. After the hunt thinking we're going, okay, now we're going to go eat some food. Like, we're a little hungry. Like, okay, now. Haven't eaten yet today. Dad's taking us to finally go eat some food. Stay warm. And all of a sudden, he pulls off into a graveyard and just gets a scent, starts getting on

some beaver scent. I like, hey, there's just been this beaver around here, tearing some stuff up. I'm going to go check it out for the boy. Hop some neighbor stuff. Parkour's over a fence. Yeah. It's ripping down. I try to hop the fence.

It hurt the shit out of my knee. Yeah, we just, hey, we'll stay up here. Steve. Yeah, fat boyded back over. But it was an incredible time. I hope you guys turned into that meat eater podcast. And I hate, I'm embarrassed to say this. Go ahead.

But I did not know. I knew that they were big. I did not know that their brand was what it was. Great point. And I was, I was pumped. They checked me. I was wearing the wrong gear when I walked in.

Won't shout out because no free shoutouts to that brand because now they're, they're an enemy because you want to support the meat eater brand. But they check you right when you walk in. When we posted our photo that we were doing a collab with. with meat eater. I feel like that night, we were talking about the next day, all of my buddies that were just hitting me up saying, oh, you're doing a media club? Like, Wednesday coming out, are you actually doing the show, or you're just doing the podcast? I'm thinking, I have no clue. They just want to do a collapse. So we're just out here ready to go duck hunting. And I'm

feeling kind of bad because I'm like a once a year, fluff kind of hunter. Like would love to get into doing it. Yeah, I check the box. I give it the boys. We have a good time. But I'm not like a true through and through a hunter all year round. Like a lot of my friends are hitting me up. So part of me feels bad that I'm getting to experience the meat eater collaboration versus them. But I didn't know that they were as massive as they were. And that's on me. That's on me. But I'm glad that we are now friends.

I love being out there with them. The good news is you don't have to shoulder that burden alone because I definitely had a couple of boys out in A.Z. Ken Proden and Boe Campbell to be specific that were like, holy shit, you're doing that. And these guys are always trying to get tags for this and that. And they're out every day in the wintertime trying to hunt up at 5 a.m. Like truly living it. And we essentially went glamping. Like, we did some man stuff.

And we did all the things that all the real men want to. We did some man stuff. All the things that the real men want to do, we kind of just cut the line and got to do it. So you're shouldering the burden with that, the story about your hunting guys. It was a heartbreaker for me. When they were talking about how they should go out

with the meat eater guys? Yeah, we were at our annual Texas hunting trip. And it happened to December. And then we were sitting around the fire. And they were talking like, hey, one of these times we should go up to Montana and get in touch with Steve. and see if we can do a hunt out there.

And I'm just thinking like, yeah, boys about that. I think bust with the boys were going out there next month. They're like, oh, no, shit. They were like, they were awesome about it. But I was like, yeah, your boys are already doing that. The least hunter of this entire crew. And I had an ex-teamate Jake West. Shout out, Jake Wesh.

He was a punter in Nebraska. And he's like, bro, I love everything bust that you guys do. But this is by far head and shoulders above the rest. My most excited collab to see you guys do. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. Graham Glasgow, who was just playing the NFC championship, last night texting me and it was like

Frank Ragnow is in my ear about get like just please say something to them about Frank Ragnow. Frank was in the comments when we were posting this stuff on Instagram yeah because you know Frank he's like he's about it he's been a fisher I'm pretty I'm guessing Hunter like he's all the stuff outdoors he's an outdoors he's an outdoors he's not just blanket statement

that yeah he belongs on a place like media and I believe he has his own YouTube channel and everything like that and because we were kind of telling the media boys if they're dipping their toes and like you know taking on athletes like obviously in football there's so many guys There's so many outdoorsmen that they could kind of do something similar they did with us And kind of just take other guys like you know Frank have Frank out host Frank yeah

Um they should have it was it was go check that podcast out yeah that'll be awesome dude really excited to see because they were actually talking about coming down to the south too yeah yeah talked about noodling which you were no I'm not going to speak for your own emotions yeah yeah yeah but it wasn't the number one thing you wanted to do sometimes you got a you got to draw a line in the sand and I feel like noodling yeah where the waters I feel like noodle Like sticking your arm in one of them, them mud holes just, that doesn't. Wouldn't be the first time you did it. See?

But yeah, no noodling for your boy, I don't think. I'm sure I can be talked into it, but I truly am going to be terrified. You just get gritty, dude. Pop off one of those fake teeth and just, like, dive into the culture of getting of noodling. First scary movie of my life, Anaconda. Oh, so good. So, God, that movie is so good. So good.

And that was where I was done the same time. like Lake Placett came out, right? Yeah, Lake Placer was a few years later, but yes, definitely the same era. That's same, yes, that was, my biggest fear is snakes. That is my, of all the animals in the kingdom of animals. Like, that is the number one, like, the serpents, like, JP, Bible. Like, they call the top of the devil, they talk about serpents, right? Like, why the fuck are we, like, I'm letting these things around here, just rip around

willy-nilly. There's a guy on Instagram, and I hate, I don't hate that. We're giving a bunch of shout-outs, but there's a guy on Instagram who goes to Florida Everglades with his bare feet. I love him. Yeah. He's just like, oh, look a small little thing. Yeah, yoying. In a con or a python. Yeah. For me's python.

Bro. 20 foot. No. He's on like, I'll pull him up. Yeah, he's on a hunt for a 20 foot python. He caught like a 19 one. The one tries to get him. He does this like acrobatic jump out of the way and snatches it by like the top of the head and catches it. Dude's walking through Florida with no shoes on Will. He's like, look at this little swamp puppy right. here it's just a crocodile three feet from him look at this swamp puppy yeah this is him right this that's look at that in the ever go ahead he's in the swamp with his feet like that dude he's just he's just old testament he he's yeah yeah he's out of need he's a chosen one yeah this kid look at him

look see like there shit my pants yeah like that to me is like yo you're you're reaching your hand in this hole like anything could be in there you're talking snapping we haven't gotten into snapping turtles yeah snapping turtles take a finger no problem dude maybe even look at that and his dialogue during it too is pretty funny because he's so he just plays everything down so much but it is it's a wild deal but yeah I think if I want it we went out there again do you noodle yeah I would do it you were kind of like about it I like I wanted to just stand strong like hey guys this is gonna be a long uphill I got I truly don't think I'll do this unless a couple of you guys already go and then I'll stick my hand in a couple of therapy sessions because I know very little about noodling but I do know

that people have told me if it's a circle that's where your catfish is if it's an oval which very similar shapes. I know. If it's an oval, that's when you're in Snapping Turtle Central. That's the only thing I know about noodling. The idea of being underwater, holding your breath,

you're tugging away with this 20-pound catfish is scary, but I view it the same way as like... What comes out of the oval? Snapping Turtle. And I could be totally wrong. Chat, hit me up, chat, let us know. But I will say,

like, I put noodling in the same category of skydiving. Like, sitting here on this bus right now, I say, yes, I do it, but I'm sure once I got to the moment, it'd be shitting bricks type of situation. Very nervous type of situation. You could break your arm too. You could break your arm falling down the stairs, brother.

I guess you could die. You could have like a malfunctioning skydiving. But I feel like the skydiving. Look at the size of that thing. Oh my. The 84 pound catfish. Imagine chugging a beer off that thing. Both of y'all's children.

Maybe combined. That is actually bigger than both my children combined. That's nuts. But he went in that. people water. Would you guys noodle? Say we did a, say they came down and we did like another mediator collaboration with them doing catfishing. Like if we backed out, we'd be able to throw one of the boys in there. Yes. It's the snapping turtle thing that gives me a little bit of the willies. The oval that just. Finger or toe to like an alligator snapping turtle sounds

for. See, I think that honestly, what? It's not the end of the world to me. A finger, your arm. Yes. Like you start losing your hand, but just stick with me for a second. You lose it. a toe, you lose like to that first knuckle of like a pinky finger or a ring finger, that's kind of cool. It's kind of cool because now you've got a story forever. He'll shake your hands, but you know, what's the deal with Tom? Oh yeah, you lost that thing. How did it happen?

No one's ever really asked them. But now there's a mystique about you. There's a little something different, you know? Yeah, but once you get in the conversation, like, oh, man, so you kind of, you do all the outdoors noodling and you're just like, no, I haven't been ever since. You lie to their faces. You lie to their faces immediately. Yo, bro, I really do all that.

Yeah, I'm actually going on swim with sharks next week. You're not gonna. You can go sit in the air-conditioned house. But look at that thing. That's not just taking a pink. No, that thing's fucking you up. You're showing a big boy, a big hawk guy. I'll tell you small.

Small snaping turtle. See, that's it, bad. There you go. Yeah, there it is. That's what's in that deep oval hole. That's all that things is doing. That thing's giving you a manny-petti. That's not a big deal.

all. Who's that guy that two-turned Tony? Is that his name? He's got a duck, but he's also got a video. He catches a snapping turtle, like rolls one of his, his teas towards it. Dude, remember when he snaps it? And it just, the can flies, like a mousetrap. Remember when we were talking to that Amazonian psychopath in New York?

The waiter? Yeah. Yes, bro. That was the most unique conversation, like NPC type shit. Yeah, he, like overheard us. I don't even know what we were talking about, but this guy was talking to saying that you go to these certain jungles in the world and it's it's essentially like all the oversized animals you can think of right i think it was specifically worse you've heard about that yeah i've heard about that

there's like monsters massive anacondas everywhere like just massive animals this this uh this shop this breakfast spot is right next to uh barstall hq in new york yeah and we went there we flew and we grabbed a bite before we went on the corner jp and yeah and we're just sitting there having a meal and our waiter comes up and starts having a conversation with us about I don't even know if we were really talking about it, but he's from Brazil or someplace in South America where the Amazon forest is, and he talks about these tribes that are in the forest,

that people go in, but they do not come back out. This is a guy from Rogan? Are you talking about this? No, this is a waiter, bro. This is a waiter in New York. And he's talking about anacondas that make, like, trenches, like, legit have, like, their slithering marks.

I don't know what those are called. Their track marks are legit, like, seems like 18 wheelers drove through there. That's how we were talking about it. talking about? Tell me. Ayahuasca. That's exactly what we're talking about.

Because he's talking about how euphoria, like how euphoric everything is, and then you start talking about these jungles. Yeah. That's another, that is another thing. Watch our meat eater podcast. Yeah. But that you brought up another thing that I would,

that ayahuasca is something that I would like to do, but I feel when the moment came to do it, I would be very nervous. What am I going to find about myself? Am I ever going to be the same? Yeah. But I think it's very, like, the idea of like,

headed a Joshua tree. and you have like a guide. And you sit there and you take whatever ayahuasca is. And then you go walk around. And he just takes you on. He essentially teaches you about yourself while you're high. Probably vomiting everywhere. Yeah, I think you do, you vomit everywhere.

I don't know. I really don't know. But there's there's stories of these people that farm in Malibu, Malibu, California, to have like take you on ayahuasca trips. Like they are there guides up there in the hills of Malibu. I think that would be kind of tight to figure out. Yeah. But I'm saying it now.

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Yeah, that was awesome. Once again, we've dipped our toe into the streaming, live streaming world and the tier ones have showed up for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We wanted to do a little test run on one of the, was just championship week. I don't think we're not going to do it after the Super Bowl. I don't believe.

We could. We wanted to get a little tester out there. Shout out Mitch, JP, you guys kind of running that thing last night. Yeah, the boys mentioned JP at the shop. I know, I saw that. I saw you guys rocking at the shop. You guys were rocked out. That's very cool of you guys to do.

But do you want to tell the fans how you felt about it after? After. After the live. stream what you were saying you're thinking this might be more of a thing we do consistently maybe we next year is yeah looking at the next year yeah yeah yeah we wanted to get that tester kind of flirt with the idea of potentially doing it next year obviously games get over way later so we'll have to check on our bettimes because we are old men uh in this day and age but yes it could be something that uh we dip our toe in next year consistently on a consistent basis so shout out

everybody who uh who watched us recap championship weekend we can cover it a little bit um chiefs i mean it's they're inevitable yeah they're inevitable and i know raven fans are still waking up this morning really upset probably still upset with me you saw you saw my little tweet i posted out about bubbo 412 i mean you can tell he makes bad life decisions based on the maryland tattoo on his chest and his profile picture guy was talking all kinds of charges hit me again in the dm saying ha ha you're gonna try better than that listen brother i don't got to try much more than that you got to love Yeah, you got to love the fight. I respect the University of Arizona alum.

I don't know the kids from Arizona, but good for him. Ravens fans, you guys will get there. The issue is, is you're in the same conference as the baby goat. And the referees. I'm just saying the referees gave some bad calls. There was one bad call. Zayflowers fumbled. Zayflowers fumbled.

But man, he doesn't fumble. If he breaks the plane. Yeah, you win the game. You win the game. that game. The penalties that were called, and there was the conspiracy. Did you guys see week going up to this? The conspiracy theories about the refs? These refs that were calling this game, the aFC championship game, apparently do like 30% more calls on the home team than any other ref, refing crew, and all of the NFL. There was there was legit conspiracy theories going on about

this, how the NFL wants, needs Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift, Patrick Holmes, and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. And so this, this, uh, officiating crew was put in place to help guide that. Now, you want that though, yeah. What? You do want like the most advantageous for all parties involved is Mahomes Kelsey Swift. Yeah, there was also a, uh, a thing I saw on Instagram this morning. And obviously I'm getting my news from Instagram, but who knows if it's really real or not? NFL, the revenue generated since Taylor Swift has been introduced into the NFL this year, it's like 33. million dollars it might even be 333 million dollars like I forget if I'm missing a zero or not

there's no question she's also she's also creating jobs like uh... would be the most watcher of all of all time the tickets to this game cheapest one is nine grand cheapest one is nine thousand dollars this is not the year to not being the league buddy not that we sell no you can't sell them

per the NFL rules you can't sell but if you want it to as players you get them at wholesale price and you're able to handle yourself you know give them to a family member or something get him to a family member for $9,000 if that family member is well off. And yeah, I mean,

we have a whole live reaction showing this. If you guys want to go tune into that. We had obviously Will already touched on how many people came in to watch it. It was awesome. But this game is truly just patch more homes, man. Hey, and on the Taylor Swift creating jobs like Kyle, Juice Check. How do you say his last name?

Use Check. Kyle, Usick, his wife. Like she's been designing all the, you know, she designs basically like fan gear for like the women who are supporting their their other on the field. Give more flowers. They take jerseys, game-worn jerseys, and she implements them into jackets, shirts, different types of clothing apparel. It's incredible.

And then she made one for Taylor Swift just to make one on the low, like because obviously she can't sell this stuff because it's license and everything else, but you're just wearing it again to support. You've seen Kittles. She obviously Kyle's wife reps it, Kittles repped it. She made one for Taylor Swift. She walks to the game with this. jacket on with a jersey she put the jersey over the jacket and since then overnight gained like

half a million followers and the NFL i believe is licensing a deal with her to make that kind of gear that's incredible you do it isn't that awesome use check's wife yeah she's just like in all that like the arts and crafting of making all this stuff up i'm sure uh i'm sure you'll be looking at it on the screen right now but she kind of does this for a lot of the wives and girlfriends in the NFL just to like do it for fun. But now it's caught win because Taylor Swift wore to a game. And now she's got to deal with the NFL to like make this gear. Yeah, there's only one big loser in this whole Taylor Swift saga and this big cat. Like she she has won. She's won everybody's hearts, I think. I think at first we were a little kind of peeved like, hey, this is a little too

much. Let's get back to the game a little bit. Mitch was so pissed off in the beginning. Was he? Like, oh, it takes away from the guys who've been working their whole lives to get on the the screen after they score touchdown. They show Taylor Swift. It was that. It was that. It was that. one time when Pacheco scored and immediately it went to Taylor Swift in... It was in his hometown too, right? No, it was in when they were playing the Jets. Okay. It's like the first game she was at.

But that part... Mitch was livid. But they've gotten better at. We almost didn't have a podcast that week because Mitch couldn't calm down. Yeah, he's like, listen. I'm not going to produce his episode. I feel like Mitch listen. Taylor Swift, though, because the broadcast put her on last night and you can see her in

the suite looking at the TV, seeing herself in like real time. and you can see your mouth go away. Like, she's like getting annoyed herself being put on the broadcast. So, did she seems like a, I'll just say this. She seems like a real one. Don, thank you for saying that.

Do you not think so, JP? What are you going to say? I have no idea if she's a real one. I just, you think it could still be theatrics? The relationship? Yeah. No, the relationship could be real,

but I just, I'm, I'm just not the, biggest Taylor Swift fan. I don't like hate her, but I like your music? I think she puts out bangers, all of that stuff, but it's, and I know they're teaching classes about Taylor Swift now

in college, like marketing, brand management, like all this stuff, how she blew up. But I just think like there's so many more talented people in that industry than Taylor Swift. And it just, I don't know, sometimes I'm like, man, like,

That's a hater. I think she makes good music. You can have incredibly talented people that don't have the drive to push it in the direction she did, though. Taylor Swift started as a 16-year-old girl singing Tim McGrath. And put out an album and then had the capability in the wherewithal to pivot from country music and now go into this electric pop star that has taken over the entire world to project yourself into the three-coma category in the bank account. And going after big label.

Yes. I don't know much about that. I was just agreeing with you. But that's the whole other thing. Big label created her. That's what I'm saying. Without Scooter Braun, without that marketing machine,

does somebody, she's a great songwriter, does somebody with that level of talent make it all the way to the top? Yes, they screwed her, but ultimately it went really well for her. But we're not talking about the top.

We're talking about two continental divides clashing together and growing and growing just like Mount Everest. Taylor Swift has taken the top to a new level. Who's the other continent? Who's the divide? That's how Mount Everest got made. The idea is Pangea and the two continents came together and slowly pushed themselves up.

And every year, the Mount Everest grows like six feet or six inches, something like that. But it incrementally gets bigger and bigger every single year. That's a great analogy. Thanks, brother. I'm glad I got to explain it because I know there's somebody in the comments going, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He just made that whole thing up. And like, I guess that's in the game in the world of like, who's the, who's the most talented?

I'm just saying with the entire microscope on Kelsey and Swift this year, being able to kind of like watch her and observe throughout the entire year, like, seeing her after the game, seeing the way it's all went down, like, seeing the way the families are kind of engaged. It just seems like they have like a true relationship going on. I don't, you know who knows if it's like the glitz, the glamour, everybody's caught up in the moment. Who cares? we're having fun but they really do like i don't know i mess with she seems like a real one i'm with i think her being a part of the kelsey family is only gonna have her trend up in my own rankings because their family seems awesome and super down to earth yeah you saw jason and Travis kind of talking about the first time jason met her right last week i like all that stuff blacked out yeah yeah this but the thing

too about taylor switzerland she's not coming in there with all these designer things like you see so many celebrities. It's like LA Rams nice stuff on. She had nice stuff on, but she's rocking the clothes. She's walking the apparel. She has some custom stuff on, but she's still Chiefs, Chiefs, Chief, she's not sitting on her phone at the game. Every time they pan to her, she's screaming her face off. She's at every game.

She's buying into the culture of the NFL. She's not saying, be more like me. She's like, let me be more like you. And that is a super relatable thing for a person that is the star of all stars right now. Now, subjective art, right? Music is a subjective art. So am I like the biggest music Taylor Swift fan? No, it's not like what I'm

I'm just not what I'm into dude I'm into that like you know what I'm into boys you know what I like but you can at least look at it and appreciate it because being like the most talented doesn't make you the best JP hates her man I hate when JP gets this film I've y'all

I've y'all seen though the will she make the Super Bowl dilemma there's like a whole thing because it's just to be somewhere right moves because she's in Tokyo from the 7th through the 10th on her airs to her so she her last show is like starts 6 p.m. 7 p.m. 7 p.m., whatever, the 10th, Tokyo time.

And everyone's already been doing the math, like, she can make it back. She leaves post-show in Tokyo at 11 p.m., which is 6 a.m., like U.S. time, Vegas time. gets back with, I want to say, like, 13 hours pre-kickoff. So she has, like, a full night sleep can make it for the 3.30 kick or whatever. So I think if she shows up after being in Tokyo for four days, you got to just agree that she is a real one. Dude, and she's got all the tools to make it. happen. She's got all the resources to make sure she makes it. Every airport and what this is going to be. I think the only way this hurts her, the only way it's hurts her

is if she doesn't make it. Yeah. If she doesn't make it to the Super Bowl, then we got to sit on this podcast a week later being like, the NFL will be. She's sitting on the runway for whatever reason. Like, if the effort's there, like that's, yeah, she's got to send a tarmac though. I need her on that plane and there better be a fucking weather advisory in Tokyo. That's a hurricane type situation where she just can't get out. And if you want to double up your viewership there, then you just put a camera like, this is, Taylor Swift. She's sitting on the tarmac.

She's having that going, the Taylor Watch going right next to the game. You need another plane just like when OJ Simpson was running from the police, like have a camera on the plane the whole time, keeping track of where Taylor Swift is at. She's made it to the stadium. She's now halfway through the Atlantic right now.

We're removed. Did you go through the Pacific, right, to get back? Yeah, you go through the Pacific. Maybe stop off in Hawaii. I don't know. That's off to the Chiefs. Hats off to the Chiefs. I was going to go twisted question,

but we didn't even talk of Lions and 49ers. Biggest stumbled bag of all. time by Dan Campbell? I mean, thus far, yeah. I mean, you get to the NFC champion. I could not, I mean, you can speak to it a little bit, being up. And then not to like open a wound, but I'm saying, like, as a player, I feel like you're sitting there at halftime.

You know you got two more quarters. Like, hey, you got to step on the throw. You got to keep the, you got to keep the pedal of the metal boys. But you're sitting there like, you know, you know, we're fucking about to be going to the Super Bowl. Like, we're fucking doing it. You're kind of like, you know, people, whoever's that. home, the families, they're starting to try to book whatever they can, right?

Right. And all of a sudden that second half happens, go forward on fourth of two. Who's Josh Reynolds? Is it Josh Reynolds? Josh Reynolds, yeah. Josh drops the ball on fourth and two, which is like, man, why not just take the three points? Yeah, you take the three. Analytics bites you in the ass, man.

And then it sparks, they go down and score, turnover, score. Right. And then they're literally back in it tie ball game going into the fourth quarter. The amount of juice that the 49ers play with in the second half was. uncanny. It was incredible to see the way they were flying around. There was like bullets, missiles flying to the pile when dudes were hung up

a little bit. Like there were multiple times. Like dudes are getting their heads fucking taken off. If Warner was out there. It's him a stinger. Who's, uh, Greenlaw? Lunting, bro. He gets that stinger. That was now, this isn't the first half. Gets the stinger understands the circumstances. I got to get my ass back out there. We've all had stingers. Maybe one of the

worst pains you can deal with for a moment, dude. It is, you feel like your whole body shutting down. Then like five minutes, like, okay, I guess I'm right but anytime I move my head a little bit this way it goes down again like a little zap for your arm and he they were flying around like mad dogs what insane boy and then that play

yeah Brandon Ayuk which catch no catch it doesn't really matter right there's a fly that's going to be past interference so they're going to get the ball half the distance of the goal in that situation but that is truly that's the spark that that play right there is what sent the lines down fucking hill man like he didn't have the best that line but again like brah make some of the plays, man. What's dangerous is Mahomes was like, what, 30 for 39? I mean, he's just got the

fucking look in his eye that's terrifying. I just don't do what? Oh, Kelsey's more than back. He had 11 targets and 11 receptions and they played back three or four of his catches that he had. Insane. That ball into the end zone, incredible. The one to get the first down, I believe it was on fourth or was it third down? The way he reached up and went and got it. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why he was finding some windows, though, in that zone coverage looking at the Ravens defense.

How are you not? Would you guys call it? Star? Double the star? Double the stars, yeah. Like Travis, dude, all year long, the Kansas City receivers have been liabilities. Cadarius, whatever the hell his name is, Cotone, whatever his fucking name is.

Yeah, he's on Instagram live. You saw that? shit about a team that's going to go to the Super Bowl this year. They, like, and this is no disrespect, but they have been liabilities. He's drop balls after drop balls. The only guy that is consistent is Travis Kelsey.

How are you not doubling? He's also. But he's come on in what? The last four or five weeks? He was pretty good throughout the year. Remember Big Cowell? That was one of the names that you thought was fake. Yeah.

So like he's shown up throughout the year. But yeah, they've had drops in big moments. That is true. They look like the team that's just like, you know, I mean, four out of the last six years, they've been to the Super Bowl. And you can't tell me that CMC wasn't concussed after that hit. Yeah.

His head bounced off just as, head bounced off the turf. But he's such a fucking dog, bro. He just walks up and says, give me one. I texted him last time. I was like, hey, hope your head's good. Congratulations. And he said, I just text back, I'm fine.

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. But yeah, Kelsey, dude, especially like he didn't have a thousand yard year and was kind of like, you know, up and down at times or an injury late in the year. But, dude, I mean, he acquired, he always acquires his infinity stones in the playoffs. It feels like that's all the chiefs do.

Yeah. Set the record. I think he blew the record out, right? He had like five more catches than the record. And he's still got another game if he doesn't retire after this year. I think it could be a possibility. I think he retires? I think he retires.

Might as well if you win. If you win. And he's made so every fucking commercial, bro. He's in every commercial. Every commercial. Dude, every single one. And he's not bad in him. He's everything.

He's the same commercial. The sidekick commercial. It's solid. Yeah. He does a good job. He is. He can act. He can act.

He can act. Bro. But JJ Wall was saying, hey, be careful because over exposure. Jay J. Wallace was talking about when he became big. He gets all these massive deals. Films 5, 10 commercials in the all season. Next season comes around and every other commercial is him. It's like the death of over exposure.

Like if you get too exposed, then people start to get annoyed. I think Traff's so cool. Yeah. He's so awesome. Jay, Jay didn't have to have to get. Come on our podcast. Like this is even like usually what happens is like the Taylor Swift thing happens. A you go into sardom.

We won't say Taylor Swift. Then the next year after everyone's kind of learned who you are, you get over saturated like you're saying. Now it's like people are finding the NFL for the first time and want to know more and more about Travis. So all these commercials are now like it's even better. It's working in his favor as opposed to being oversaturate because we're like, oh, look at his personality. Oh, that's adorable. Oh, a foot long show. They're a documentary on Amazon Prime.

What? Yeah, the Kelsey's. It came out like early in the year. Did it really? Oh, that was last year? Yeah, my wrong. It covered last year. Yeah. Yeah, it covered last year. Man, yeah. And it's crazy that the great like someone who are, we probably

will eventually be talking about as who's the goat, Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is overshadowed by Travis Kelsey right now. That's like an insane. All these crazy storylines this year, dude. Now there are some rumblings out there. you guys is taking the back. Patrick Mahomes, he wins the Super Bowl.

Andy Reid. Goat. People are trying to call for it. You had a great analogy last night. The chat did. You enter the chat. You walk into the room, which is fair.

But I think no matter what, Tom Brady. Oh, yeah, I agree with that. In the head to head. I think even when, because I do think my homes can beat. What is that? How many times have seven?

Yeah. I think my homes can beat that. Yeah, there was a conversation. I think part of my take had this conversation. Hank was a part of it, and he obviously didn't handle it very well. But the conversation, he gets seven. Yeah, if he gets seven, look at the first six years of Tom Brady's career

versus the first six years of Patrick Mahomes. Now, here's the thing. Hold on, hold on. Patrick Mahomes has one more win, and Tom Brady obviously has one more loss. Tom Brady's QBR is like 88.9. Patrick's in the 100s. There are a touchdown to interception ratio,

completely different. Pat, crushes him in that situation. We're talking about the first six years of play, and they both have three Super Bowls if he wins the Super Bowl. If they, if, if,

right now, just on how you're looking at the past, you're edging to Patrick Mahomes over Tom Brady. Yeah. But he's got to keep the consistency for another 14 years. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you look at Brady,

he does, like, as far as like in the amount of time, Mahomes is the most gifted quarterback, the best quarterback we've seen in like the short period. in this generation. But Tom won Super Bowls in like three different areas. He played 24 fucking years. That's such a great tweet. What is that right there?

It's most postseason QB wins in NFL history. The number one leader, Tom Brady with 35. The next closest is Joe Montana was 16. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes, we're going to have to play for a few more years to even get in this conversation. Dude. But still, he's still coming away with the hardware at the very end. I think Pat has the capability.

ability to catch Tom in rings way quicker than it took Tom. Right. Because he's 24 years. And when you look at when they played head to head. He was what? 2 and 0. 45 years old? I think he's not even 45 yet.

No, put 2 and R on his head. Yeah. But you want to talk about unforest situations. Like they're not putting 2 and 0 if D.4's on side in that game. No question. Yeah. No question. It's a good argument.

She should be stripped. Yeah. I don't know. Do you talk? Yeah, that's, make very good points, boys. They should be stripped. If Pat wins it, there's no guilt conversation. He's just entered the chat.

Yeah, yeah. Because he, I mean, it is super impressive. The team that we talked about all year long with the, that in the Kansas City Chiefs, the way that they're playing right now in the playoffs is like, it's impressive. Yeah. It's impressive.

who you oh i don't want to talk about who we got because we have slips and pets everybody knows so i got it's not it's no super if there's one team right we got the hats in the shop go support your favorite team for the super bowl here's the chiefs one i trust me i i hear taylor you can hold the or Mitch can in the back if you if there's one team that's going to beat the chiefs it's the 49ers but they've got to play four quarters man because they haven't done that in the playoffs they haven't done it and they can get to thrown on. Then get ran on.

And you ran on. And Pacheco runs like a madman out there. I just, I posted it this morning, dude. George Kittle, I will be back here. You will not get the best of me. That to me, this is a redemption, a redemption story for George Kittle. And they're playing the chiefs who they lost to. Yeah.

A few years ago. When they were up big. They kind of had them too. Yeah, they did have them. It'll be interesting. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see. You want to hit this?

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Mitch Carstley has been in the fucking gutters lately. He's been absolute trash. One of the few jobs he has when it comes to this show being filmed right now while we're filming it. Your job is to come with us with a twisted question of the week presented by Twisted T and how many times have you done well? two I do have a question

maybe once have you talked to your family about this like all the the combos we've given them directly like have you done a recap with your family based on your trivia

or based on your twist of questions the last few weeks yeah they haven't well like I said my dad and I called my dad the other day and he's like did he he answered called your dad huh

well he actually called me so but he was like you're like you're good though right like they're not actually gonna do anything with you're not going to lose your job i'm like no i'm good oh there's your first mistake i was like i might lose the phrase jp boys love you don't ever trust this so actually i might be my job might be we do love you call your dad but we do love you my mom sent me an email of like 260 questions that she just copy-pasted from the internet she's texted me a shit ton your mom understanding

work that goes into something like this and basically doing it for you. No, and I... You can figure that out. Those questions that she sent me I have seen before, and there's a reason I haven't asked any of them because I felt like they were not good. But I appreciate the help mom. Okay. You're not using one of your moms.

I am not using one of my moms. I am actually using one from my college roommate. Okay. Once again, not a Mitch Carson product. It's okay. He's turned over every stone to figure out what question he wants to ask, to redeem himself because are you, are you nervous sitting there about to deliver this question? Yeah, I'm sweating.

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How stuck are you to get those custom jackets? So far, though. get a dirt. You tell me. If you want to talk about other things that you're dropping the ball on, we can talk about we were supposed to get a dirt bite. We went to Supercross in the summertime and we were getting this deal done with Twisted Tee.

Why did we go to Supercross? We go to Supercross because Mitch loves Supercross. Yeah, Mitch loves Supercross and you brought that idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So we have a couple of Supercross guys on there. They're outstanding. They're a fun time. We go to it.

We go to the Suzuki area where they're showing us the Twisted T area. And I'm like, this would be sick. And we let them know. we would love to have just a decked-out 450 Suzuki twisted T edition. Let us get that. That's amazing. You know your boy grew up with the dirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was into that.

Broke your foot. Broke my foot. Broke my hand. Broke up my wrist. Broke my wrist one time. Broke bone. I had 27 broken bones. It's not cool.

I'm a big tough guy. It doesn't matter. Mitch was put on the assignment to do what, Mitch? I wouldn't know if I was put on the assignment. You were put in position. We said, hey, Mitch, you handle this. You have the contacts at Motorcross. You have the contact.

Talk to them. and get this thing done. Hey, it's going to be here in August. Hey, it'll be here by December. Hey, it might be here before Christmas. Get excited to there. Need you to sign this waiver. Waiver signed.

It is now January 29. And while you're watching this, it's the 30th. And I promise you tomorrow a fucking dirt bike will not be here. So it's January 30th. And we still don't have that. That being said, Mitch. What's your twisted question of the week? All right.

Switched question of this week. This one comes from my college roommate, Mike, Dietrich, would you rather suck a dick on live television or have your leg amputated from the hip down? That's a good question. That's a good question. Well, who gave it to you? My college roommate, Mike Dietrich.

Hey, shout, Mike Deidrich? Yeah. Shout up Mike, Deidreck, dude. Great question. Thank you, Mike. If you're looking for a job, Mike, and you know how to produce, hit us up, dude. I don't know if you guys were in the same thing at school as Saskatoon or wherever it was.

Saskatoon you. Suck a dick on live television. Cable? Live television stream. This is Nash. Millions. The most viewed thing the entire decade. Start to finish? Start to finish. Or get your leg amputated

from the hip down. From the hip down. I know my answer. You know your answer? Gag me, dude. Really? Yeah. Take my leg. Really? Yes. Why? Because now I'm in a position to write a book, be a hero, get one of those

cool little tink tink legs put on my and then now I'm in the special Olympics ripping, winning the 400 meter, whipping the 100 meter, just absolutely You're just going to show up and beat these dudes. Yeah. What is it?

Oh, the Paralympics, my fault. I might be in both, dude. I might be the first person to be a dual Olympic guy like that. You don't think I'll be able to write a book and capitalize on sucking dick? You could, but you'd be like the rest of them. Yeah, but everybody's like, yo, Will had to do what he had to do to save his leg.

you know what I mean like some people would they just take their chop hours it's like 50 you just the books called 15 minutes yeah yeah how I got myself in this position and how I choked myself out to get out yeah bro like they'd ready to make a movie about it yeah I mean at the end of the day it's what you're down you spend five minutes saving your own life basically yeah oh bro we all know do honestly I'd say

probably a couple Yeah, I mean, you know, come on. We don't got to be tough guys here. Every guy knows that we can do it. Just in case people are really turned off to what you're saying right now, go ahead and explain. Just in case people are a little worried. And dudes know that like, everybody's like,

yo, you think you could do a better blow job than your other. And it's like, yeah, because we know exactly what we want. Exactly. Exactly what you want. Because you don't have to go that deep. Yeah. Just hit the tip, get after that thing. Pretty hard and fast.

That gluck, gluck, gluck, 9,000. Just letting you know, might change my answer now. So I'm saying they'll be getting that year 10. Come on. What does that mean? They'll get the year 10 treatment. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that's what we'll coin it after the job is done.

They'll almost finish, but then they won't. The glug-glug-glug-9,000? No, no, bro. You don't think I'm getting that thing to completion? But you didn't give them year nine. No, but I'm saying the gluck. How everybody talks about the glug-glug-g-luck-9,000, it would now be coined the year 10. Oh, I got you.

I see what you're saying. Yeah. Sorry, no disrespect. No disrespect. I don't want to. Yeah, oh, now I see what you were saying. Almost if I can't finish, I see what you're saying, you motherfucker. That's just, my bad. My bad.

Good question for your friend. That was great. I might change my answer. What are you guys doing? Head. I'm getting my leg amputated. Because just think the technology and prosthetics nowadays, you damn near have another leg. No, I'm still like.

There's not like a robotic leg. Also, when you lose a leg, especially something that takes up probably 20 to 25% of your body, your life expectancy drops significantly. I love that data point right there. That's a great point for that argument. To live, to live, to live a fruitful life. Yeah, suck to live, dude.

20 is 24. Like you said, it's like 15 minutes, or it's you struggling to walk around for the rest of your life. Not struggling. You might not be. struggling. And it's up to your hip so an ass cheek is gone. Oh. Yeah, but it's also like you

you gotta think. Yeah, well, yeah. But also you're... You'll have to have some cleaner to wipe some of the shit off of the... But no, I'm saying like if you do it on live television, that is going all over the social media. That is going all over everything.

Like, your kids will see that. You're going to be seen like, oh, you were the guy that sucked the dude off. on live television. Mitch, it'll be so much like, yeah, that'll happen momentarily,

but that twisted question right there will be the most iconic twisted question of all time, because it won't even to be about you anymore. It'll be everybody else saying, this guy did what he had to do,

and then everybody just arguing about it, making it about their own selves. You know what I mean? But I'll just be sitting back like, hey, I fucking, I did it. I did what I had to do.

Save your leg. The life expectancy thing does sway me a little bit, but I got this knee pain right here. I'm thinking if you take the leg, If you take the leg, no more knee pain With no leg He's been a full time

I'll let you guys know he's been around a little bit lately He's been around The knee given hurting a little bit He's been popping up in a We won't get into it So Jerry Amesworth Jerry Ainsworth

Bro Bro So yeah Take my leg Good question Good question Should we get into I mean, we're looking at a three and a half hour podcast, no, boys.

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On my list here. Mine was an experience I had last night after the 49. It's Lions game, but it is when, and this is a lost art because cable television is less and less, and streaming is king now. But it's when you tune into a movie that just started on cable. It's a good one. And it was the day after tomorrow, if you remember that, with Jake Gyllenhaal. No, it's, um, what's his name? The guy who's in Parent Trap, who's the dad and Jake Gyllenhall.

But it's like this huge, like, Geo Storm type scenario comes. But not about the movie, but it's just when you tune in, it's like the first five minutes of a movie. You're like, okay, I can strap in. Then I also forgot how awful commercials are on cable TV. Like every 12 minutes, just. Dennis Quaid. Yes. But that is my shout-out, never shout-up.

What's the, that's a great movie? What is the movie I was going to say with Tom Cruise, where he wakes up every day after he's killed? Mission Impossible. Oh, I know you're talking about with that, with that actress too. Yes, it's a great movie. From Quiet Place. Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We can just Google it, right? Yeah, but it's more fun. Yeah, it is more fun to play this game. It's like a newer one too. Yeah, and it's really good. Like five or ten years.

No. It's like alien. Yeah, might as well. What is it, JPM? Edge of tomorrow. I wouldn't have got that. I wouldn't have got that. That's a great movie.

I think people still sleep on Tom Cruise. You think so? I think they do because of Scientology stuff. People still sleep on him, though. He's so, he's such an elite actor. He's so good. The Scientology thing makes people talk about him even. more. I know, but I feel like because they talk about the

Scientology thing, it takes away from how good of an actor he is to some people. Like, people don't want to give him as much flowers because they think there's a kookiness that comes along with Tom Cruise. There's got to be a cookieness. You got to be a little mental. Yeah, you got to be a little off the rocker. Acting would be so much fun. To be able to do one of those roles, like a cool role.

Mm-hmm. You know, not like a brokeback mountain roll, but like a cool like, you know, Mission Impossible type thing. Yeah. You know? 300. Yeah. That'd be sick. Mitch, what's your shout out? My shout-in-offer-shadow goes to the flyovers in football pre-game. Those, like, especially when you're at the game, I guess, when I think when we were at Notre Dame or whatever it was,

just like, that just is automatic goosebumps, no matter what. And it doesn't even have to be a sick plane. It's just a plane flying over a stadium. There's like, there's nothing more America. Yeah, it could be like a little small 172 ripping by, but you know what the intent is there. Yeah, and like the stealth bomber going over the Rose Bowl, like that was probably insane.

Cut the ball over short in the Chiefs game yesterday, like the best part of Rises to get over the stadium commercial. What? It's the world we live in now, Jack. You got, JP? Mine goes to good icebreaker games when you're with all new people.

We were in the situation last night. It was a great game. It was everybody was in a circle. Two people are lined up face-to-face and on the count of three, they both say the first word that comes to their mind. So say, we'll say one, two, three, I say taco, you say football. I have to turn to my person. Now I'm with Mitch.

We can't say those two words. We have to think of a word. What word comes to our head when we hear football and taco? Three, two, one. Yeah, tailgate. So that's exactly what happened last night, me and sit and hit it. But it was just like a great, we were in a room of people we didn't know, and the icebreaker just brought everyone together.

And it's a solid game. Yeah, it's a good one. Never heard of that. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Yeah, we were... I know who I am. That's a great game.

But I had a similar situation like that at the Chandler's house for New Year's. They had a bunch of people over. We didn't know anybody. We knew a couple of people, but we ended up playing a werewolf for a legit two hours. And I was like, the guy obviously doing it because there was like me and Tailing who knew the game really well. And that really opened it up for everybody. Yeah.

They got that kind of nervous. Yeah, it's a great time. Hey, where you're from? How many kids you got? What do you do for a job? job conversations before you're like let me just move on go sit in the bathroom for 10 minutes on my phone yeah let me go take a shit

yeah yeah uh my shout no free shout out is going to be throwing the dad hat my shout out no free shout out is when the new dads out there rep our hats or rep our merch and they post about it when they have a kid on social media

tagging us and everything else that's not me trying to farm people continue to do it But it does fire me up. That people are like, hey, just became a new dad. And then they're, like, wrapping a hat that either their wife got him or whatever. They're sitting there holding their newborn. That juices the boy up. So that's my shout-out, no-free shout-out.

And go by her dad. There's a bunch of new dads at the gym I go to. And I guess it's Gary. He's just, like, spreading the good word. And so many guys have dad hats. And it fires me up. It's like, dude. So, like, women, anybody that are seeing me, like, wear this girl dad had around

that just compliment. Like, hey, I love that hat. Like, where'd you get from? Like, oh, the Barstle, Barstle store, Barstle store. Yeah. You know who's a girl, Dan? Sharon Moore. Head coach in the University of Michigan.

Oh, yeah? Got a couple headed his way right now. No shit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We got to start getting all the dads that come on the bus. I know we've talked about it. Yeah, yeah.

We get them to, we get them some gear right when they're here. Maybe even get a little dad story out of them. We need to just to have a dad segment. Yes. Just really dive in like a therapy dad's session. We'll brainstorm. Yeah, yeah. If you want to vent about your child, if you want to give a shout out to your child,

it doesn't always have to be positive. It's whatever we want it to be. Because you know if you're expressing something that bothers you, there's a bunch of other dads out there feeling the same way. And when they don't feel alone, you don't feel alone. That's how you build community. And fatherhood is the highest of highs and lowest of lows. We all got to be together.

Speaking of community, my school needs to figure out the wave again. They've really dropped the ball. They went really strong after my couple of weeks of doing the wave and putting on Instagram. They've dropped the ball on waving back. It went really good for a while. but now I got dudes and trucks not waving back and I just feel like if you're going to have a pickup truck

if you're going to own a Chevy Silverado you've got to know and be aware when the wave is coming and give it back has to be reciprocated there's a different standard when you're driving a pickup truck so let me just say that you're trying to make the wave a thing I'm just not trying to make it a thing

I'm trying to bring it back I'm trying to bring back community and that goes into my shoutout no free shoutout similar to the boat wave my shoutout no free shout out is America I feel like I am

there's a cut yes i've been watching that video literally i caught myself on youtube taylin hit me up the other day because taylin likes to dive into the news and all the scariest respect because someone's got to because i'm not gonna apparently there's a whole bunch of people going out of texas and there's like a civil war on the horizon we're talking about ww3 and all that somewhere along the lines of our childhood we decided that it's not cool to love america it's like no longer a cool thing to do and i found myself on youtube watching highlight videos the good video different sort of military videos of why people are fighting for the freedoms that we have. Now, this is not a proud boy situation. It is just me saying, we need to, regardless of what country you are born in,

there needs to be a sense of pride and patriotism, whether you're from Canada, Mexico, Spain, America of I was born here and we might have our flaws. God damn, and I love where I'm from, and these are the reasons why I love it. You don't get in a relationship. You know, Charles's got problems. I know Taylor's got a couple things she's got to work on. I still love her to death. I'm still on a happy marriage, that type of thing. So I'm just saying, shout out America, dude. Shout at America. Yeah, I think there's a lot of good fandom for America.

Yeah, one way. Is there really like talks to Civil War and shit like that? Allegedly. No, you know me. Taylor hit me up with like, hey, what will we do in a crisis? Like, what if we get invaded? I'm like, oh, we're the extras in the movie that get ended. Like, were the people running as something blows us up.

I'm like, oh, I think that might have been Taylor and Taylor. I got that algorithm going on right now. Yeah, she, yeah. Election year coming. People start getting that. algorithm. Right. Because I saw the tweet talking about the Civil War, World War III.

And I'm just thinking like, what? There's something going on. I said that. I legit, I sent her video after video. She's on the plane. She went to Canada this weekend. And I just sent her a bunch of videos of just why we don't have free health care.

And why, like, you're going to find out. Why you're going to find out if you fuck with America. And she thinks it's so lame because, like, obviously she's from Canada. She's like, you guys just think you're so tough. It's like, fucking try us then. Because we'll fucking end it, dude. And so shout out of America. man don't actually try us because I would hate that but if you do we start talking about the

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Where to next? The Stu Finer episode. I believe Mitch the producer just told us we are rolling, we are stew. Stu Finer. Finer. Welcome to Bust with the boys. Glad to have you, dude. Glad to have you. It's a pleasure. This is a very special treat because you are a very unique individual. Coming into the Barstall world, getting to know you from the outside looking in.

You have a couple bumps where, you know, the stuff with women and stuff like that to where you're getting to know stew and you're like, you know, who is this fucking whack job a little bit in the very beginning? then you get to know Stu and you see how how much you always show your appreciation and gratitude which is very real and authentic. It's like you learn that in person the way you just embrace, throw compliments, do all the things to where you're just like,

oh, Stu's like a fucking awesome, awesome dude, he's just got a little, he's got a couple screws loose every now and that. But this dude, correct me if I'm wrong, but two for the money, the movie,

which we'll get into, loosely based around your come up in the sports gambling world. It wasn't even loosely. I mean, And the movie does not exist without me. You know, I'm the star of the movie. I mean, if you watch that movie, it's all about me.

It's a disgruntled employee standpoint on him working for me. That's the movie. So without me, there is no movie. Which character are you? Al Pacino. Okay, so you're Al Pacino. Who? Who is your young?

You want to start from the very beginning of my life? You want to go right into this right now. What do you want to jump? Because I have not seen the movie. I'm going to watch it as soon as the show is. Great movie. I'm going to watch it tonight. Okay.

But I'd like to go, I'd like to go, let's start early. Grew up in Long Island? No. So I grew up in Brooklyn, 2662 West Second Street, in a six-story apartment building that Fred Trump owned Donald Trump's father. And my father, oddly enough, was friends with Fred Trump. My father certain times had trouble paying the rent. And Fred would let him slide.

So my father had a relationship with Fred Trump when I was a little boy. And quite interesting. And to live in a six-story apartment building in Brooklyn was quite interesting. It was only me and my brother and predominantly Jewish, all Jewish. So my friends were Jewish. The school I went to was PS216 in Brooklyn, all Jewish. I was born in my mom at his hospital, and it was a very interesting, tight-knit family group. You know, on the sixth floor, you knew everybody trick-or-treating.

You trick-or-treated the sixth floor, then the fifth floor, then the fourth floor, then the third floor. You stayed in your apartment building. Outside of the apartment building would be where all the parents hung out, just on lounge chairs during in the summer and everybody just played on the grass, played tackle football, played wiffle ball, played kickball. So that was my upbringing in Brooklyn. We were there until March of fourth grade. And then we left there and moved to Long Island.

Farmingdale, Long Island. Really, my house was in North Massapequa. We moved into the Viceroy homes. It was a 425 home area where there was one way in and one way out. And I have a lot of scars on me from Brooklyn. My father loved me, loved my brother, loved my mother. No issue about that. But was a rageaholic, very physical.

physical with me and my brother, physical with my mother. And I think that really that made me extremely insecure and not trusting inherently anyone. Because I was, let's see, 10 years old, 9 years old, 8 years old. And I remember my mother screaming in the bedroom. Stewie, call the cops. Your father's hitting me. Meanwhile, I'm fucking nine years old.

You know, what are you supposed to do? And in those days, so now, what do we talk? I was born in 61. So this was probably right around when the Mets won the World Service, 69, 68, right around there. And obviously, as a young child, you know, you're taught to say nothing. You know, you're taught, you know, I was taught at least. If things are rough, things are bad, you don't say anything. You don't, what happens in the house stays in the house.

But as I went to therapy when I was much older, you know, they taught me that, that, you know, is very abusive and very inappropriate. It wasn't appropriate for your father to be physical with you and your brother and for that matter, physical with your mother. And keeping all that stuff in. Correct. Like you couldn't really like you couldn't you know then it was there was no issue to to tell the teacher or to tell anyone for that matter so um we moved to north mesopot and the first day there was a total fucking horror show like to this moment I remember it and I feel it like it happened five seconds ago especially when I talk about it

So father goes to work. It's the first time we own a house. We're on like an 80 by 100 piece of property. And a nice house. Very nice. We go to what's called the dairy barn. Me, my brother, my mother, it was a freestanding building. And they used to sell milk in these glass bottles and iced tea in the glass bottles.

And also, it was almost like a very small 7-Eleven. You drove in. there was a drive-thru, you got your stuff, donuts, bread, milk, ice tea, butter, the essentials. We go back to the house and in the driveway is written the word kike in crab apples. and there's like 10 kids opposite my house hiding in the bushes. And first of all, I have no idea what that word needs. My mother, sure as fuck does, because she immediately starts crying. So me and my brother are now like, what's going on?

And then she's like hustling us up to the front door so that we can get in the house so we don't see what it is. She puts the glass milk down and the glass iced tea down. And in our gutter, right in front of the screen door that you have to open to get into the regular door,

there's an umbrella hanging there. She opens the screen door and crab apples and rocks, come down and smash the ice tea and the milk. Shattered the bottles. So now me and my brother are crying because, you know, is a whole to do.

She runs in the house, calls my father, My father flies home from New York City. He had a place on 37th between 7th and 8th. At the time, he worked for a place called Letterama. They made letters and signs, and they had a couple of major accounts. They had Massa Square gone in HBO. And they had Chase Bank, and they had a couple of other banks that they made every sign for.

So every sign at HBO, every sign at Master Square Garden, this company did. And I would go into work with my father and help him and so on and so. forth. When I was young, took the train in, hold to do. My father comes flying home, and he's steaming right now. And as a kid, me and my brother knew that the signals that my father was going to either hit us or hit my mother or just trash the fucking house was that he would bite down on his lip. And, you know, that was the sign. And the minute he bit down on his lip like me and my brother would run into our room. In Brooklyn, we had the same room, two beds, in this new, house in North Massapico, we had separate rooms.

We'd hide literally in the closets under the bed. Because we knew we were going to get a fucking meeting. So he comes home and he's like screaming at my mother as if she did something. What happened? Tell me what happened. What happened? She tells him. And then he drags me and my brother like like a cartoon movie by the back.

Like we were cubs and he was like a bear holding us. we went to every single door across the street down our block, which was Abbott Street, and then we were surrounded by East Drive and West Drive, all these things. And he just started screaming at the parents, saying, who did this? And of course, now the parents are not confrontational at all. They're very, you know, like apologetic. And so that was March of fourth grade. So obviously now we're hated in the fucking neighborhood.

Me and my brother. A, because we're Jews, there was no Jews in the fucking neighborhood. I'm talking zero. Almost like the movies, like, you know, Christ, killers, you know, kikes, you know, dirty Jews, so on and so forth. My father explained to us what that word means. And all the kids got punished. So now we're going to walk the fucking bus stop, and we were like shunned me and my brother for good fourth grade, fifth grade,

into the summer of sixth grade, where we hung out with just a very small contingent of Jews and other kids that didn't live in Viceroy that heard what happened but felt bad for us. So we were like short little chubby kids and non-athletic at the time. So I, figured out people-pleasing

and being nice to people and overly nice would at least get my foot in the door so that people wouldn't piss on me and call me a kikek and call me Jew and just, you know, whatever. And in Viceroy, in North Massapequa, so we're talking 1970,

there was clicks. There was the little mafia, L&M boys, where their fathers were in the Mafia, Paul Castellano, who was depicted as Don Corleone in the movie The Godfather, lived in Massapequa. He lived on the water in Massapua. So every bar, there was like little social clubs, Italian social clubs, and it was the little mafia.

Then you had the freaks. Then you had the kids that were long hair, smoking pot, hanging out. then you had the jocks and then you had the nerds and the geeks which were the smart kids they were called at the time a word we do not use anymore like faggots

we don't use that word had nothing to do with sexual preference at all nothing it had to do it they were smart they were geeks they were not like us they weren't they weren't little L&Ms they weren't jocks you know and they weren't freaks

They were, you know, smarties. So there was clicks, very clicky clicks. And everybody was white. There was not really prominently any blacks or any Spanish or any other authenticity. So finally, in seventh grade, I was watching something on TV. We had these bodybuilders. And I used to get the bodybuilding magazine. And I made my father buy me these sand weights.

They used to be plastic weights and they were filled with sand. So he got me a bench and he got me these sand weights. And I just went to work. You know, I went to work. And in seventh grade, from sixth grade to seventh grade, I grew. I went from like 410 to 5,5. I'm the exact same size right now that I was in seventh grade. So I started working out with the weights

And I wanted to be cool So I went to the flea market And you also had The leather jacket group And those were the coolest group I thought Because they looked fucking cool in the leather jackets And they were tough guys It's like John Travolta from Greece kind of vibe

Literally, literally So I got a leather jacket Went into school that Monday And got my fucking fucking teeth kicked them. I got put headfirst into the fucking lockers, kicked in the balls, beat the fuck out of.

They're like, listen, you fucking kike, you Jew, you ain't wearing a fucking leather. You ain't wearing this black leather jacket ever. I see this wearing again, and you're a fucking dead man. So, of course, the next day, I fucking never wore the leather jacket again. I went back to the flea market,

and I exchanged it for a bomber jacket, which was still very cool. but getting my ass kicked by the, so when we went to school, it was still 7th, 8th, 9th grade. 9th grade was still in the junior high school. It wasn't in the high school. Now it's, you know, now it is. It's 9th, 10th, 11, 12th.

Then it wasn't, it was 7th, 8th night. Getting my ass kicked in, you know, in my mind, you had a lot of time to think. Think about it. And when the teachers came and when the dean came, came and when the principal came and when the person who runs detention came, I didn't rat no one out. You know, they were like, who did this to you? Show me who did.

You know, like, it was show me who did this. You know, I want to know who did this. And I just shut my fucking mouth because I knew enough from watching movies that my father watched that, you know, like, you just don't rat out on people. It was never told to me not to. But, you know, I knew how bad I got my ass kicked in. God forbid if I ratted these people out, what would happen? So shut my mouth, wore my bomber jacket. And then probably middle of seventh grade, I started boxing.

And in this area, it was called Allen Park, they had a little boxing ring. And some guy would come down and teach you how to box. And I was super good. I was great. I would super fast. I was able to get hit in the face, not get hurt, and I was able to punish people. And my father loved boxing.

My father, I didn't watch college football until I was probably 17 years old. There was no college football in the house. There was NFL football, and it was a religion on Sunday. We did, on Saturday, we did the leaves, we cleaned up the outside of the house, we cleaned up the inside of the house, Got all the chores out of the way.

So my father worked Monday through Friday. And then on Sunday, we watched football. And my father was an Oakland Raider fan and a Minnesota Viking fan. I became a Raider fan. My brother became a Viking fan. And football being violent at the time, really the object of football was you literally knocked out the best player on the other team by any means,

close line dirty hit after the whistle hit didn't fucking matter so in my head that's how i thought life was that you know so seventh grade and eighth grader gave me a hard time and he was pushing me he's pushing me and then one shot i knocked the fucking kid out cold knocked him out fucking cold i hit him one shot and he was on the fucking unconscious and I just walked the fuck away and then his brothers that were in ninth grade came after me and I literally must have had a hundred fights in seventh grade with the eighth graders and the ninth graders and I held my own against every fucking one of them and as they chose you out how crazy it was um I only got respect then I didn't rat them out that I could hold my own.

So now all of a sudden, I was making a name for myself where if you were going to fucking fight with this fucking guy, you better jump them or you better fucking hit him cheap. So in the neighborhood, the people still didn't, weren't coming to my house,

weren't hanging out with me. They were jocks. They were excellent athletes. They were at a very young age, stars, whether it was the PAL or it was flag football. whatever it was, they would hang out like maybe four houses away from me for 10 kids with a basketball playing back.

They wouldn't fucking talk to me. And then one day, one of them came over to me and was giving me a hard time for no reason. And this kid was known for wearing steel tip boots. So 19, this is now, 1973. And somehow he picked a fight with me. And I was crushing this kid. But he kicked me first time I've ever seen someone kick in my life, like almost like a Bruce Lee movie.

He kicked me in my fucking hand and like broke one of my fingers. So then I just jumped them and started biting them and like poking him in the fucking eye. Like it was fake wrestling because you used to watch that fake wrestling. You know, Bruno San Martino, Andre de Giant, you know, back then. And two of his friends jumped on me. And at that moment, I just went psycho. I fucking held my own against all three of them. And after that moment, everybody in the fucking neighborhood loved me.

Everybody in the fucking neighborhood loved me. So that's really how I made my bones as Stu Fein. Like I was a superstar in the neighborhood. Like so much so that that fight was on, let's say, a Saturday. I went into school Monday. My first period, everybody clapped when I walked in. Like you get to you get to be glad you ended up putting on the leather jacket again no never no couldn't do it no I just I it was you know it was one of those things where I you know I just didn't need it after that

you know I wanted to do it to be accepted and then it just wasn't and then I looked at these leather jacket because like they were fucking punks be honest with you they were punks you know um were you somebody looking for fights more like once you took on boxing and then realized you could look people's ass all seventh all eighth grade I beat the fuck out of so many many people, headfirst into lockers, be senseless after school, you know, we meet at this time, be a circle crowd. It's like a movie. It was literally, like I was like, let's say if I had 114 fights, I was like 100 wins, 14 losses,

you know, but I want to explain. Then when you fought, you would literally save you the person. You had enough, give. And the person would say give and you get up. It wasn't like these things in the late 70s where I was in Long Island where we started carrying knives, started carrying bats. There was no rules. You beat the person until they were unconscious. Everybody would jump on and kick them in their face and everything.

It wasn't like that. It was like a square fight. It was like once the person said it's over, it's over. So that's really how it was. And I started getting in trouble in school, obviously. in my junior high school, Mr. Valentine, he was the dean, this low-life, scumbag, piece of shit, cock-shocker.

I hope he died, and I hope it was violent. Like he got hit by a car and LeBompa caught his leg and he was dragged with his face, like, skin. Because this is what this piece of shit would do. You would hear this. Snoofana, please come down to the principal's all this. So, first time I didn't know what that meant. This guy legally would take a fucking wooden paddle, bend me over, hold my hands, and whack me on my ass ten times.

That happened. That didn't stop until I was in 11th grade and they stopped it in that school. So what are we talking? 1977 that went on until. Do you remember the first time we paddled you? Yeah, fuck yes. What was that process like when it was like, hey, bend over?

Were you just like, what? Shit. Yeah. I went home to my father. My father said, what'd you do? No shit. That's how it used to be. That's how it used to be.

You know, like, authority had all the power over children. Parents would just go with the teachers. It was wild. It was so helpless. And so. Did you deserve some of the paddle beatings? At the time, in the 70s.

Never deserve a paddle be. From an adult, no. Never. Like, when I got in trouble in high school, you sit in a detention every day. You have no breaks. You have no lunch. You eat your lunch in there. And you'd go every day.

And then after school, you would go, fine. You'd have to write these ridiculous things. Yeah. You know, you know. Simpson on the chalkboard. Literally. Yeah. Just do work, just to work.

Don't look around. Don't talk to anybody. Physical abuse. So, like, I learned really quick. I asked other people that were getting. getting pals what do you do because it fucking hurt my ass was fucking red as fuck and uh they said have a pair of sweatpants in your locker the minute they call your name run to your locker go to the bathroom take your pants down put your sweat pants under it and put your pants back on it hurts less

so that teachers were allowed to paddle at this time literally just for no like hey i'm ready to fucking wolf up on the public liner yes so this is no hold bar no about paddling i think about paddling i think For whatever reason, I'm thinking about a nun with a ruler on the knuckles. Well, they did it too, but no, this is a basic public school. Really? Literally. It was surreal. It was, at teachers were able to hit you in class even, up until my school, probably eighth grade they stopped.

Eighth grade. Physically, if you were talking, I was always the class clown. I was always telling jokes. I was always disruptive. So the teachers would come over to me, like behind and hit me in the head. like smack me. Similarly, you see the movies,

you know, this is not, you know, it's not uncommon. Right. So much so that my son, my, I have four sons,

34 now, 32, 28, 24. My oldest, was Valdictorian and went to Brown and then got his master's and PhD at Buffalo. And before he went to Brown, he did something called Teach for America.

where you'd go to the worst parts of the country. He was in Selma, Alabama, and he taught children. His class would be like 70 kids, predominantly black. 20 fucking desks. So 50 kids would sit on the fucking floor. And they would threaten him, and they would do all crazy stuff.

I remember he kept calling me going, I got to get out of it. This is crazy. that the parents would come in and say if my kid gets out of line, you can hit him with the stick. You can hit them with an actual stick, and that would calm them down. My son's like, I'm not hitting anybody who's crazy, and he quit.

So, I mean, it was very prominent physical abuse by people in authority to children. That was their way. that was you know and a lot of times that was the southern way all way up till so he graduated in 2007 so it was going on 2008 that's not that long you know hit him with a thing it was called a twitch it was like a long stick that you'd snap on the person yeah it'd have to be like smaller than the with your thumb right i don't actually know what it was but i know that they wanted him to use it and one of the like so he was there like he lasted like a month and then he went to 7-11 to get a coffee

And one of the big students there that was like bigger than him threatened him. And then he said, Dad, I got to come home. So he came home and then he went to Brown. So where I grew up, I felt a lot of abuse. I felt an outcast for being a Jew, for not being athletic, for not being physical. And thank God I had the ability with the weights. I taught myself how to work out, how to fight, you know, and how to protect myself. Come ninth grade, it switched on me because it was a big problem because I didn't grow.

So now all these kids that I kicked their fucking ass, they're like double size of me. But I beat him so bad in seventh and ninth grade that at least they remembered that so they didn't touch me. But I knew at that point, like I had to find another way. watching football with my father was a psycho experience because if the Raiders, because I was always a Raider fan with the Oakland Raiders, 72, 73, 74, 75, fucking Steelers kept beating us in fluke fashions, whether it was the Franco Harris catch, whether it was just Bradshaw being better than us, whether it was just whatever it took. When the Raiders lost on a Sunday,

he would like trash the fucking house and beat me and my brother and my mother. Now when I say he wouldn't be punching my mother. He would like grab her in our hands and like just like for no reason he would just be unhinged as if he bet hundreds or thousands of dollars on the games. but he never met in his life.

He was just a rageaholic. He had that passion. He had that energy. And I think that's where I get it from. I get it from being a performer. I get it from being a people pleaser, being wanting to be liked, going out of my way to be nice to people,

A, because that's the right thing to do because I was taught, I was shown my whole life how people are abusive to people. People are not actually nice. inherently. I think it's because of the way they were raised, where their parents were raised, and it's just generational. They were abused, their grandparents abused them, their great-grandparents are good to parents, and it's like a chain. You know, that's why they say, you know, when you got to therapy. I've been in therapy since 1984, 1984. And I was taught this. And, you know,

they always taught me that I have to let go of my father issues. For a man, I was taught, but you have to deal with your father issues. You have to deal with what happened, and you have to let it go. You can't carry around that anger because it's your father. And that was very, very hard to do for me. You know, to this day, I love my father.

I take care of my father. My father's incontinent right now, so when he comes to my house, he shits in his pants, it's a fucking mess. In my house, no one fucking helps me. I clean that fucking diaper. I clean it up. I put a new fucking diaper on them.

I clean the fucking mess. Let me go back to watch the football. So, you know, part of me is like, you know, why are you doing this? You know, when you were a little kid, he didn't fucking have your back, really. So when we were watching the Raiders, I watch football much differently than other kids down the street.

Because I knew if the Raiders didn't win, or if the Minnesota Vikings didn't win which lost four fucking Super Bowls, there was a fucking problem. It was a real fucking problem. So I watched the game. I watched every single play. I watched every nuance.

I watched everything. My father taught me, similar to how the Oklahoma is played, similar how the Pittsburgh Steelers played, violence and violent defense, and running the ball. ball win super bowl. So I had that, it was almost like going to school for what I eventually became, which was a sports advisor picking games like. I was, so when the Rears run a Super Bowl in

1976, was John Madden's only Super Bowl, Kenny Stable's only Super Bowl, you know, Frip Litnikoff, that whole team, Moff Hubbard. I've never seen my father saw it happen. And my goal in life always was to make my father happy. Because if my father's happy, then everybody's happy. There is no problems. My mother was the direct opposite. My mother was the saint. My mother was the nicest person

of met in your life. My mother loved everyone. Taught me to love everybody unconditionally. Taught me to help the less fortunate, taught me to go out of my way. It's one of the main reasons I never saved money. I could have been a billion, a billionaire. I was making million dollars when I was fucking 23 years old,

and I was pissing away a million more because I gave it all away. I had a big entourage. I had a big friend gathering. And I hung with them. I took them to Super Bowls. I'd spend $50,000 on Super Bowls. I went to 18 Super Bowls. We'd sit and fucking the best seats in the house,

best restaurants. I picked up the fucking tab. And I'd have parties at the house, and that would be my mother, great cook. So she taught me almost like foods love. You know what I mean? Like, I remember when I just said to my mother, I said, Mom, I don't want to go to school tonight.

even as a third or fourth grader, fifth grader, sixth grader. But you say, no, I don't worry about it. Stay home and we'll play canasta. And we'll play gin rummy. We'll play rummy. And I'll make your cheese omelet in the morning. And I'll make tuna fish for lunch. And then we'll have chicken cutlets for dinner.

And that would be my fucking day. And that's how I bonded with my mother over food. So in 1980, let's speed everything up. a man came on Channel 4, which was NBC. And his name was Professor Picks. And how old are you at the time? 19. Okay.

19. Professor Picks. He came on TV. And he was an accountant that created a short form tax form. And he made a million dollars doing it. And he took the money and put it into computers to pick football winners and stock analysis. And he proceeded to talk for 15 minutes about how the Philadelphia Eagles, Dick Vermeel's team, Ron Jaworski was the quarterback. They were the darlings of the fucking world.

I don't know why. I don't know how, but they were. They were supposed to be a very clean team, did the right thing. Dick Vermeel was above the fray, did it right, the Oakland Raiders were dirty and scum, and they had ex-criminales work for them, and, you know, they didn't give a fuck.

They just wanted to win at any cost. And he proceeded to tell me and my father, never forget it, 15 minutes, how the Philadelphia Eagles were going to crush the Oakland Raiders. Eagles were a four-point favorite at the time, so it's not like he had, you know, some wild thought, fucking odds makers said it.

And me and my father will watch in this jerk off, like fucking clueless moron, an expert, you know, explain how that's going to happen. We said, there is no way that's happening. No prayer in no world. And everybody in my town, the fathers of the kids also love the Eagles. Everybody was Eagles, Eagles.

Raiders killed them. We knew the ratings were going to kill him. We were high five in me and my father. I said, Pop, because it's really weird because growing up Jewish, there was a lot of pressure that my mother wants to be a doctor or a lawyer. Those are my fucking choices. I don't know why, but that's how it was. And I said to my father, listen, I'm not really smart enough to be a doctor. and I don't have the patience to be a lawyer.

I can't study. I just can't do it. I don't have the patience. I'm at ADD. I don't know what I had, but I just could not study. If it came to me immediately, I could do it.

Science I was great at, math I was great at, English self-studies. In 12th grade, it's probably on a sixth grade level. I got on my SATs in 10th grade, I got a 550 math, 390 English out of 800 and each 1,600.

390 English is about as bad as you could be. It's almost illiterate. Five-fifty is basically average from there. So that blew me going to any college. My mother wanted me to go to the best college. You know, my mother pumped me up. So did my father. They always pumped me up and my brother up.

They loved us. But it wasn't real. You know what I mean? Like keep it real. It's not real. It's one of those parents that said you could do anything. I guess you could. But I didn't.

And I wasn't. So he said to my father, listen, bottom line is this. I want to go into this fucking music. If this jerk off can be this wrong or this not being abusive, this expert that got the time on NBC, the Friday before the Super Bowl, prime time, that spot cost gazillion dollars. I can't even imagine. And he got it for free. If he could be so wrong, let's go into the business.

Because my father always taught me, defense, running, violence. underdogs, home advantage towards my father. Like 1977, you know, I'm 16 years old. He's pounding into my head. Now, now gambling's legal. Now, everybody, you know, you teach your kid this if you want to gamble. You would teach your kids what I'm, but then, you know, there was no kids gambling. It was only legal in Nevada.

There was a hundred bookmakers on Long Island in Massapequa, in Farmingdale, in Seaford, all the towns. They were all mafia. It was all mafia. It's the only bookmakers at the time. Mafia, Mafia, Mafia. And they didn't let kids bet. They didn't let little kids bet. They didn't let kids who are under really 21 bet. You could bet, but you'd have to post money up. And the limits then were very, very small. They wouldn't let you get in trouble because they knew you can't pay. And then if you found the place that allowed you to have credit, you know, they knew you couldn't pay if you got in trouble. Or, certain players that had what's called a sheet where you would work for the bookmaker, you would get the customers, and you would be on what's called a half sheet. So 50% of the losses during a week, that's your money. If the people won, you would run a negative, you would run a negative until you got into the positive. So a lot of people took shots. They said, fucking everybody could bat with me.

and if you went bad, you just can't bad anymore until you pay. So that's what they would do. So I said, I'm going into this. Now the problem is this. When I went into the business, I could not get a merchant number to accept payment because when I went to a bank and I said, listen, I have an expertise picking winners on football shoes. they looked at me like, I had two heads.

They said, okay, but if you were living in Nevada, that's fine. Because it's living in Nevada, but it's not legal anywhere. So we're not going to allow you to have a merchant number on an illegal business. That's not happening. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm not the bookmaker. I'm not taking the bet. They're like, but where's the point of purchase customer doing it? He's betting illegally.

We're not letting it. So how I got a merchant number, my first merchant number was I had to say I was selling sports apparel. And then I were able to charge the card. Second problem was nobody would allow you to advertise. Nobody, unless you were specifically in the state of Nevada. So then what I would have to do is I bought Sports Illustrated customer list. And we just randomly, me and this guy that was 23 years older than me, my father let me 1,500, and he put 1,500 in.

We had two desks together, maybe the size of this bus with a bathroom. And we would just sit there on the telephone and fucking call thousands of people a day. Hi, how you doing? Do you bet? Hi, how you do you bet? And of course, 99.9% didn't bet. They're like, where'd you get my number from? Did you get my number from?

Did you get, you know, then, you know, it was like crazy, you know. And the good thing was that you couldn't block someone. You know what I mean? Like, if I had your fucking number, I had your number. I know what I'm saying? Like, I'll call you three and fucking water. Right. It's literally fucking over.

So, um. I mean, I give you my number and you won't. He keeps, he sends me NBA picks literally every fucking day. Really? Yeah. You could run, but you can't hide. So, um, then all of a sudden. I started seeing these little one-by-one ads in newspapers.

So then we were doing so well picking. Like in the early 80s, I'm talking, I would hit 8 out of 10 every fucking week. So remember now, all you had was a Saturday slate, a Sunday slate, no late Sunday game, and the Monday game. That's it. So you had three days, and we pounded away for those three days. But my against the grain, against the public, better defense, home teams, home underdogs, more violent teams covered and won outright.

Also, when I picked the winners, they were direct opposite of what everyone else picked, the public picked, the gamblers picked. So not only when I won, I got your fucking attention because, like, Let's say I gave you the better team and they were laying seven, they won. They were betting that without me. And in the 80s, up until probably, I would say, 1992, when Ultra Sports Books just started, everybody bet the games. Because when you bet a game, you don't want to be uncomfortable.

You don't want to be like, you don't want to be so nervous before the game starts that you could get blown out. You want to be on the comfortable song. You don't want to be uncomfortable. So my system was like fucking gold. It was absolutely gold. So I started running these little one-by-one ads saying, I know more than you. And the first name of my first company was profit line sports,

P-R-O-P-H-E-T. And we had this like profit with like a fucking wizard's hat and a computer at the time. Like, you know, like it was like, you know, it was state of the art. And we had a good artist. Then we put this little ad and my phone around. I'm off the fucking hook.

Within three months, within three months, we were to a quarter of a million dollars. First year in business, we wrote $1.3 million, with our overhead being $60,000, plus our bloods wet. We were fucking off to the races.

Yeah. We went from size of this bus to 3,000 square feet in 12 months. I got 40 people working for me now. Now I'm writing $3 million, 22 years old. Fucking killing.

absolutely killing. All of a sudden, I get a lawsuit in the mail. And it says that I'm being sued because not one of my customers, but a gambler sued sued everybody in Nevada that had a license. Because at the time, I went to lawyers and I said, I don't want to be, I don't want to go to jail. Because the common theme of what I did is no matter how I told or who I told, what I did for a living.

They're like, you're a bookmaker. I'm not a bookmaker. I never took a bet in my life. Never, ever, ever. I didn't want to go to jail. Two things I never did was sell coke and be a bookmaker. Because I could not stand being in jail. Like, I couldn't last a fucking day.

You know, I saw those movies. You dropped the soap. Some guys are going to fuck up your ass. I would rather kill myself. I'd rather die. I would not, you know, not happening. And those are the main things that I figured you go to jail for. Not doing it.

So we had to get a license in Nevada at the time to sell pets. Okay. This guy loses like $400,000 family. It was never one of my customers. But he gets a lawyer and sues every person that has a license in Nevada. He killed his wife to get the insurance money. No shit.

So now. He obviously got caught. Yeah, yeah. This was his defense. He killed her. He got the money. Then, like then the insurance company's paid immediately. Scams used to work like that in these 70s and the 80s.

Now, of course, not. Now they fucking investigate. They don't give you a dollar. They wait you out. You know, there's no time frame in the money. You know, they'll wait you out to make sure it's not fraudulent. Then, you know, scams run every fucking day like this. Whatever is, fires, whatever.

You know, you got paid by the insurance companies. The scammers were able to beat them senseless for, you know, good 60s, 70s, 80s, maybe going back to the 50s. Anyway, so I got this fucking lawyer. The lawyer says, well, you're going to have to go to Nevada. I go, I'm never going to Nevada. Well, you've got to testify. I never testify. Find out how much money it's going to cost to settle.

So 90 people paid the guy $7,000 to just settle. I did nothing wrong. I had nothing to do with anything. I had to pay $7,000. But at the time, I had a lucrative business. let's go. Then I caught a major, major break because ESPN in 1984, all of a sudden allowed me to advertise. So they had a, they had like a TV guide of everything that was on HBO and all the major channels. And I was able to buy the inside front cover for profit line sports.

Of the TV guide? Like the TV guide? Like the TV guide. Yes. It cost me like $40,000. I wrote like a million and six. Then they said in March, 1984, you could run national commercials, a 30-second commercial, had to make storyboards and pitch it to these fucking executives. It was fucking amazing. It was like great. I bought a suit. I looked like a schlub because, you know, I was like a giant fat. I was like 260 pounds at the time. So no matter what I wore, it didn't look good. So I walked in there, but I could sell and I could pitch. And I was not afraid of anything.

I was not afraid of failing. I was not afraid of no. Your job started when the customer said, no, in 10th grade, I worked for a place that sold unsold airtime for radio stations. Radio stations had so much air time. They needed someone to fill it. So my boss taught me how to sell, just randomly make shit up. and sell it. And I was able to sell, so I knew how to sell. Then I sold in 11th grade, I sold

maintenance chemicals, office supplies, and we'd call these people that needed like cow manure and, you know, odor granules and, you know, fertilizer. And I knew how to sell. And that skill set, you know, he taught me your job starts when the customer says no. And then your job starts when the customer says, never call me again. It hangs up on you. You call the guy right fucking back on redial. And you go, listen, you motherfucker. I don't know who the fuck you are, but you better give me fucking respect

because I'll come down to your fucking door and smash your fucking face into a piece of shit. The guy would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm sorry. You know, because, like, you know, like, I got him now. I got his phone number. I just threaten the fucking guy unless he's a maid guy or he's a mafia guy

who's a mafia guy who's with someone. He doesn't know who I am from New York. I'm talking like, you know, whatever. So I got the fucking guy. And then he would roll over. I would send them like a fucking 401, a Daiwa fucking test, like some fucking testament filament, fucking fishing reel, or I'd sell them, or I'd give them gifts. And I was great at it.

I was fucking great. So when I sold these people, they said, yes, it was unbelievable. So we ran 60, 30 second commercials in March saying, profit line sports is the number one sports analyst in the world. We play the game 100 times in a computer. and we decide what statistics and analysts work, call us now. And of course, I had a big sales force, and they were really abusive. So HBO cut us off immediately.

And they stopped using national commercial. You could not buy a national commercial after I did that. Because they were like, holy fuck, this guy just wrecked our fucking business. It was such a bad name because I was so abusive with the people. Because we sold, you know, we sold hard, like super fucking hard. You know, I would hang up, we'd call again, got hang up, call again. You know, like, you know, what they made do not call. and they made these lists because of what I used to do to people.

I get it, but it took them 20 years to do it, but I did, you know, I was doing in the 80s. So then all of a sudden, USA Today, a national newspaper allowed us to fucking advertise. And it was the craziest thing up. I'd run a basic ad, you know, I'd run a little ad. And then there was like 20 little ads. So then I said, how do I get rid of this competition? I ran a half page ad. And then somebody ran a quarter page ad.

So then I ran a full fucking page that $60,000 in 1984. We have a freestanding building that were on the second floor. 609 Route 109 in West Babylon. The building is still there. Oddly enough, when Jenks came to my house for the first time that works with Tank right now. Yeah, yeah. I took him for six hours and I showed him every building I owned, every place I went to.

And he was flawed. So you walk into this building. And on the left side, It was this little office, tiny office, smaller than this. And there was these two guys. And their job, what they did was supply strippers for strip clubs on Long Island. And this is like 83. And strippers and strip clubs in the 80s, they were like crack holes.

You know what I mean? They were disgusting, very thin. no tits, gross girls, but they were doing it for the money. He would send them up to my office. And we'd just fuck the fuck shit out of them, you know, whatever.

We didn't give it to fuck at the time. You'd be 20, you know, you'd fuck anything. You know, then just do what you gotta do. All of a sudden, one day, this fucking guy in a fucking gazillion dollar suit with gazillion dollar jewelry he's in the office he goes

hey kid come here he goes yeah Joey banged I just got out of jail did 17 years he killed five people he goes my two guys he say you're a fucking guy

you're a fucking earner you're a fucking Jew I'm gonna call you stewarded you're a fucking owner he goes I want to do business with you now my partner I'm 22 he's 43

is Italian also and he hands He says the guy's a fucking criminal. Guys are fucking loser. And my partner, once we started making money, see, my father taught me when I made money, don't show you make money. Don't dress like you make money.

Don't do anything. Reverse with this guy. This guy's in his 40s already. He wants to show his dick. You know, he's fucking everything that walks. He's going to these PWP meetings, parents without partners. He was single and he was taken down,

God, fucking 15 girls. He'll get a wedding crash. He's a deal with him. crazy pwp you know and um he goes but i hate your fucking he's not showing me respect i'm like well listen listen

i'm showing you respect with joe i don't want no fucking problem is here like um whatever so they he starts having a card downstone and we were writing at the time about five million bucks on a board that you wrote it the minute guy makes a sale we like we used to sell Like we used to call a person up and go, listen, our package is 1.5 million. But all I need from you now is 150,000.

And you owe me $1,350,000. And I'll work that off picking the winners. And some people go, okay, that works. Think about that. Okay, that works. I got 150 grand sale. So we were just killing. We were killing.

This guy has a card game. And one of my, and one of my managers starts playing with a company. And this guy Joe says, I hate that fucking guy. I tell me upstairs. He's partner. I love the fucking Jew, but I hate the partner. I'm going to fucking make a meet. I'm going to send one of my guys that thing.

So he sends this lucre brazi guy up to my office. And Joey says to me, Stu, I want you to fucking give him a job. What am I supposed to say? I said, yes. Okay, no problem. This fucking guy couldn't even talk. He was not there to, bitch. He was there to me.

to look and I was stupid enough to not take the board down. So he told Joey everything. So I get into work on a Saturday about 10 minutes late. And my partner was fucking beat the fuck out of it. He had a toupee ripped off. His whole face was bloody. He goes, fucking Joey fucking sent someone here to beat me up. I go, how do you know is Joey?

He goes, what are you talking about? We know it was Joey. Because the day before we fired this Lukabrotsi guy. And it was a real hold to do, even getting him out of the office. So then my partner now has this fucking idea. Because I went back to my father, and my father was friends with my uncle who worked for the FBI, and he took pictures. He said, get out of business.

What are you fucking crazy? It's mafia business. Get out of fucking business. You got a fucking issue here. What are you going to do? Get out of the fucking business. Do something else. Anything else.

Just keep the fuck out. I said, I'm not getting the fuck out. I make a lot of money here. So my partner says he knows a friend that's in the mafia. He goes to the friend. A friend comes to the office. Friend says, Tony, you come with me to Brooklyn. We'll drive to Brooklyn.

And we're going to meet this guy Rocco. Classic. Classics. So in Brooklyn, Rocco has like a fucking, an apartment in Bensonhurst. But in the basement, he's like fucking 20 TVs. And. He sits down and he tells my partner, he goes, Tony, what this guy Joe is going to do is fucking kill you and take you fucking movie. That's how it works.

So you're with me now. I'll protect you. So on the way home, the people in the car ask Tony, what his address is? And he thought that was weird. So he gives him a fake address. Okay. Tony comes back and says, it was really fucking weird. I don't know what to do,

but this guy, Joey, they said it's going to kill us. I said, well, a guy loves me. He's not going to kill me. He goes, well, what the fuck is going to kill me? It's the same as killing you, right? I said, yeah, yeah, we're in this together. I'm not fucking bailing out of you.

Next day, same situation. I get to work up 15 minutes late, and they beat the fuck out of my partner, and this time they wrecked the whole office two people. But the problem was one of the guys said, still like a dodo and I know where you fucking live you're at this and we're going to come to your fucking house if you don't give us the money because what they were asking for was 40% of our gross money if we wrote we give them 40 and then we're good so now he knows it's them

because they gave the fake address so he knows two different two different gangs coming at him now right so by the way quick pin your buddy your partner has to stop showing up to work on time. Something's showing up early. 10 minutes, like, 15 minutes like, don't catch a beating at all. So, so now we've got a real fucking problem. We've been a $5 million business. Now, in those days, the big customers paid us in cash.

They would put $150,000 in a FedEx. Certain weeks, we had $3,400,000 in cash. just on our desk, which of course, you know, we're blowing the money. We're going to Atlantic City. I couldn't lose the money quick enough. I couldn't buy enough Coke.

I couldn't give it away to my friends. I couldn't wait to go to sporty events, paying top dollar, shows, everything, restaurants, walking to Le Cirque, La Perigord, La Bernadne, Matre de, here's a thousand.

Look, and I want that table. We weren't even dressed. You got it, Mr. Feiner. Tip everybody. 200, I spent 10,000 La CERC, La Perrigan, La Pernade, all the top restaurants in, you know, in New York, Sparksteakhouse,

every one of them, Smith-Welenskis, every fucking one of them. They knew me because I fucking, you know, whatever, I bought my way in. You know, I didn't have the rep, but I didn't want, you know, they didn't give a flying fuck. They treated me better than, they would have treated Paul Newman, a big star. It didn't matter. So,

my uncle says, if you're not going to get out of business, you've got to call security for him. You got to get guards. So my father, it was the greatest, because my father is an army veteran to us to Germany, and he was a complete side. He comes there with his friends, and they bulletproof every one of my windows with this plexiglass that was bulletproof. He puts starters in all of our cars so that we could start the car from the top of the office

because he says, that's how they do it. They're going to blow up your fucking car. You're like, you know, whatever. This is nuts. We sleep at the office. We get two security cards on guns, walk around with us everywhere we go for two weeks. They build a wall now where to get into my office,

you have to buzz. There's a guy sitting there with a shotgun in full view. They buzz you in. under our desks, every one of them. Shotguns, unlimited ammunition. I never shot a shotgun in my life.

No, I didn't have to have fucking people there. You know what I'm saying? Like, if we had to shoot it, there's no way. I would have had to take a shotgun. I would have had to take the shotgun and beat a person with it.

I'm not shooting. Right. Literally, there's no way. And, um, Sandy at the time, is working for me. Her father is working for me.

Her sister-in-law, is working for me. Her brother-in-law is running the business. So this is like a psycho-family operation here. This is a serious fucking situation. And we're making too much money. Like, you know, it's too easy money. And I'm picking fucking winners left and right, too, mind you. I'm picking fucking every winner, every Super Bowl. I catch every Monday night underdog. I catch every Sunday underdog. I'm like fucking unconscious. People are. can't wait for me to give the picks out. They're, I'm giving a pick out on Tuesday,

because I saw the games already. I was able to click immediately. They're flying of Vegas with $100,000, $150,000. They're borrowing money from Shylocks at two to three points a week, taking that money, going to Vegas to bet the games, because I was that good at that time.

So I had a major following. I was number one in the country, in the fucking country. So then all of a sudden, after about six days, one of the guys sitting there at the door he goes, you can't live like this.

He goes, I'm going to send someone to your office. They'll solve this fucking problem. So I said, good. This guy comes in with a fucking cigarette. He's just like a pure fucking movie. Me and my partner behind our desks, this guy goes, I'll solve the problem. solve your problem, 25,000.

Oh, like, 25,000. We'll give it that to you right now. No, no, no. 25,000 for life every year. And once a year, you go to a Christmas party, and you give the boss five grand. I'm like, we're in. We're in.

Now, most people said to us, most people that I went to after I did the deal, they said, listen, they said the same as the other two. They're going to take over your fucking business, you stupid fucking Jew. Are you crazy? What are you doing? It's going to go so bad, so quick. Okay.

Well, like, I had to piss so bad. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. But don't tell him more story. Time out. Time out. We're literally going to sit in silence. Yeah, be good. Oh, God.

I'm miserable. Dull moment, guys. I'm talking for an hour. I know. I know. I love it. I'm literally just like, I can't wait for a minute. Yeah.

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Because they smacked him around. They asked him if he was with anybody. He said no. Then he reached out to a second place, which smacked him around. So both places know he's not with anybody. So here's the plan. The guy goes, listen, is what we're going to do.

I'm going to bring my guy back here because the guy that we met was not the guy. The one that you're going to pay $25 for life. Correct. Okay. Correct. So he brings his buddy and his buddy says to me, this is what we're going to do. We're going to go downstairs, right?

Fuck me now. Okay. And here's what the story is. You've been with me since seventh grade. You had a problem selling tickets. And I solved the problem and you're fucking with me. And it's on record. It's on order.

And I put it on order. I said, listen, why can't you go down without me? He goes, don't worry about it. I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to talk to them. We know this shit. We've done this before. I'm like, okay.

And the things I did in this late, in 10th, 11th, 12th grade is I sold concert tickets. I got the first five rows for every show at the NASA Coliseum, Madison Square Garden, all of Jersey, all of Kennedy, all Philadelphia. I, in, I think 11th grade, me and Sandy bought Seventh-Rosena for Genesis at Madison Square Garden. Then there were three tour.

Gabriel left. It was the first album. They came out without Peter Gabriel. I know if you're familiar with Genesis, Bill Collins, and whatever. So, and that was our favorite album. And as it turns out, follow you, follow me, was our wedding song. So we paid this guy, $40 each. I didn't have the money at the time.

She paid. I paid. Dutch. And we said seventh through center. meet this guy. And this guy says to me, I need you to bring down people to wait online for me. It's either the night before we wait online from like eight at night until the show goes on sale or six o'clock in the morning you have people online and then we filter people in where you are. I said, okay. So I sold concert tickets and I sold pot. Only two things I ever did in high school.

and my first two years of college. I went to NASA Community College right across the University of the Coliseum. So I was very popular and very valuable because if you wanted to see a fucking show, you had to go through me. Now, none of my money, I didn't use any of my money for anything. This guy would give me the money, pay each person either a first five row sent a ticket for free or a hundred bucks. so I sold concert tickets and we had a lot of wars with people

because there would be people sitting online for days and we would just literally I got football players to work for me we would literally there would be like a list of like 600 people had been there for four days I would literally walk up to the line let me see the list they go yes to sign here or take the list for a bit to fuck up

and then my football players would literally take these metal like barricades and squish them against the wall we would filter like 40 people in front and then we put the barricade back and we go what the fuck you want to do you want to fuck let's go you want to fucking go and a couple of times they beat this living fuck out of people like literally like like should have gone to jail shit left them for dead but then you know they were scared so they didn't call the cops so this guy says listen here's the deal I helped you when you were having problems you're fucking with me you've been with fucking me I said okay

I don't want to go downstairs. Because you've got to come down. It'll be very mellow. So I go down with this guy and the other guy stays upstairs. And he literally, the second he walked in, just threatens the fuck out of this guy.

He's like, who the fuck you think you are? You're making a move on him? He's fucking with me. Check on record. He's on fucking record. He's fucking with me. Who the fuck are you? And then this guy is like,

Oh, whoa, whoa, I didn't know. You know, and that's how it went down? I didn't know. How am I supposed to know? I didn't know. I hate his fucking partner. Disrespect him. He doesn't say hello to me. Just in that. And I'm literally sitting there thinking, I'm getting shot. I'm literally getting fucking shot here.

Because he has a gun with him. He has a gun on him. I know the other guy has a gun. He's already killed people. He's been in him. He just got out of jail. And I'm sitting there like, like I swear to God, my heart has never beat so fucking. but he backed down.

Back down. So then that really gave me the license now to just have a license to steal. A license to just go, it was my dream come true. Like I could do whatever the fuck I want. And if I got a beef, this guy's gonna fucking come and fucking tell you to fuck yourself because it's on record that I'm with him.

And his guy was like fucking like a fucking like a soul, like a big guy. Like, he owned like three fucking bars in Queens, two bars in New York. And every time I met that guy, I was always super scared because he was always making a move on me. He's like, what can we do to make money? What can we do to make money? Like, he didn't, like, physically make something happen.

But every time he's like, come on, can't you cut me in? What's the story? What's the deal? And I just kept him in the arms distance. I never was late with the money. I always went to the Christmas parties and he'd be like you know he'd introduce me to everybody

like hey this is uh this is uh Barry five thing he's just got out of jail for killing the five people he only has five fingers because he fucking got his hand cut off in fucking jail I'd be like this is a fucking Jew, he's a fucking ernie to you he's a fucking earner for us that's how they introduced me like hi

how you doing and this went off for like three years then all of a sudden the guy that was the first guy that we met that wasn't involved with the mafia. Says he needs a job. Let's come work with me. And for some reason,

I unconditionally trusted it. I did not think anything bad would happen. And it did. This guy became my best salesman. He became one of my managers and has my back to this fucking second. So my partner did not like this guy.

he didn't like him didn't trust him so he opens his own office takes half my crew we're still partners and goes like two towns down the road builds a state of the art office

and he's doubling what I write doubling me can't figure out how all of a sudden was it a bad breakup with you two splitting no no no because he would never rob for me

there was no robbing about First of all, I'm closer now to this guy. He can't rob me because this guy can't, you know, he knows it. But he just wanted to be the guy and he didn't like the situation. Okay, fine. He goes to this place and he's doubling my business. I can't figure out how. So what he's doing is just banging people's credit cards.

He's randomly just fucking hitting him. Guy would pay $2.50 for a week and then say, no, I want to stop. And he'd have like 200 of these people. It would just hit their cards for 250 every single day, every day. Even if they didn't want it. They had no idea. How about this? How about this?

Only 50% of the money charged back. Only 50% charge back. People didn't even look at their credit card. They just paid it. It was like surreal. Eventually, we lost all our merchant numbers. And I said, you're fucking, that's ridiculous. How have you been doing it?

this. You know how to sell? Fucking sell. We make enough money selling, you scumbag. I said, we're fucking done. He went a separate way, and then I kept my people. And I did not hire any of the people that were with him back. You just fuck them. You stay with

scams, and they were thieves. I'm like, how didn't you tip me off? You know, that's a fucking felony. You're going to jail for what you just did. Thank God, I had enough money that I paid every single charge of. So even though they knew it was crazy, I paid it back.

And they were embarrassed that they were so vulnerable that they could be whacked out for tens of hundreds of millions of dollars in theory. You didn't catch it. Sandy was working at the time before she became my full-time bookkeeper at Bank of America. I think it was Bank of America. And the FBI comes to her. house on the mouth comes in her fucking door and starts grilling her about you used to work at the bank what happened here your boyfriend just you know you had two million in charge facts you know would you know were you on the inside and her mother um going out with her four years

at the time my mother goes listen get the fuck out of my fucking house You don't listen to you don't talk to my fucking daughter go fuck yourself. You got something to fucking say. Give me a fucking warrant. Otherwise, go fuck yourself and threw them out. And they never came out. So I could have been in a lot of trouble because, you know, in other words, I was still half partners with this guy at the time when all these chargebacks came in.

I made it good. And then that was it. So I escaped a very, very big. problem with that. And then from that point forward, it taught me, so taught me to be squeaky clean with credit cards. Like squeaky clean. There was no bullshit. You know, you never overcharged the card. Like in those days, people would say, put it on the card and we'd get the code. They go, Stu, hold the code and I'm going to send you cash at the end of the week. Because they got paid in cash. Those days, it was cash. Everything was cash. There was no checks. There's no nothing else.

There was no PayPal. There was no Zell. It was, you know, you got paid in cash with a bookmaker. And you paid whatever you were doing in cash. And what he would do also, when he was still with me at the time, if they didn't pay after five days and we'd have like $18,000 on the wall because we'd have the customers like their sheets on the wall, he would go, put it all through.

And at the time, I was okay with that because the deal was, you're paying cash, you owe me the money. if you don't have the cash, then I'm putting the credit card through because I don't have your money. And then, so I should have seen the writing on the wall that when he went on his own, he was just going to randomly just go wild.

And that's what he did. And eventually he just went totally out of business. Everybody left him, totally out of business. So now we're in, let's see, 1988. I get married to Sandy on my honeymoon. I go Italy for two weeks, cruise for two weeks, come back.

and I say, got to buy a building. So I buy my first building. It was a freestanding 4,000 square foot building. I pay $360,000 for the building. Right now the building. I sold in 1995 for like $660.

It's worth $2.7 million. I don't fucking want to throw up. But anyway. So we buy this building. Now we're absolutely killing. And in 1989, was the 88, I bought the building,

88 I got married. 89, we did our first show. It was called the sports advisors. We got this idea to go to Merv Griffin's Resorts. We pitched Merv Griffin's like second in command guy.

He gave us a 5,000 square foot suite at Merv Griffin's Resorts. It was called the Griffin Suite where Merv stayed with a fucking elevator 5,000 square feet in 1989, mind you. And Butler, unlimited food, unlimited everything. They'd fly us from the airport, which is in Farmingdale, to Atlantic City. We would hang out on a Monday night, film the show on Tuesday, go home Tuesday night. And Jim Clack was the host. And he was a lineman for the

Pittsburgh Steelers. And he was great at what he did. He was great. You know, similar to you guys. Played the game, but could talk like a fucking professional analyst. You know, very glib, amazing, told stories. You know, his body count was 2000. So we always bragged about how many women he fucked, which was 2000.

I said, how is that possibly? He goes, fucking Bosn-Bol. I got a 12-a-do- fucking, it was possible. I was fucking four women a night. I'm like, okay, great. That's great. And that was the, that was. the first year we did the show.

And the source, Stu Feiner. 1990, I was partners with a couple of people the first year. And 1990, I went on my own. 1990, it was the first year

I did 900 numbers, where people would pay me to speak to me and speak live. And my business was high, tickets. We could get a million dollars out of a customer. We would just take half of his winnings. And when we went on a roll, they were happy. On their own, they got annihilated. Like when people's, when people bet, the misconception is that when you bet, when you actually

bet, forget about picking, anybody could pick. When you actually bet your fucking money and you get your teeth kicked in two weeks in a row, then it's, then you get your teeth kicked in three weeks in a row. Then the fourth week, you chase everything because you want to make up for the money and you get your fucking ass kicked into fourth week. You're like, I got fucking problems. Then you normally start borrowing money is in 80s and 90s to pay what you can't pay. And then you're betting, you reach out for help. So people at that time would pay me anything to win. Because when people bet, you don't hit 50%, you don't hit 40%. You hit 20%. You hit 20%. you get fucking annihilated, you know, as Dave would tell you, as Big Cat would tell you, you know, you lose a lot of fucking money, a lot of money.

And so all of a sudden, the craze, the big crave was 900 numbers. Sex phones were on 900 numbers where you would pay anywhere between $5 to $25 to listen to the girls' talk on a recorded message or live. Dionne Warwick did the psychic friends network. And they were writing hundreds of millions of dollars off 900 numbers. It would be paid like $5 per minute. And then sports started getting off the wall with 900 numbers. And I was always scared because I'm like, there's a $10 number, a $25 number, a $50 number.

That's how I started. I'm like, how can I ever bump the people? Well, P.S. the first day I ran my ad on the TV show, first day on the $25 number, I wrote $30,000. First day. And then I bumped the $25 number to the $50 number, which wrote another $30,000. So I was writing like $60,000 a week on 900 number. All my salesmen were, I'm super scared right now because, like, they knew at that moment. I don't need it. This is as much cleaner business. I just put a three-minute, four-minute analysis

on a recorder message. It's fucking hit to the 900 number and you're fucking golden. So we were writing, we wrote like $8 million. We wrote $4 million, $6 million, $8 million, back to back to back. And the show is just absolutely murdering.

It was all off the TV show. And this is you going so low? Yes, I'm alone right now. All my fucking money. All my money. So I'm like, this is nuts. I got the world by the bowl. and then all of a sudden

fucking scumbag Rupert Murdo Channel 5 Fox FoxxFam says I want to get into the NFL game I want to fucking take the NFL shit, the NFL programming

from CBS and he makes an absurd offer and takes it from CBS and he puts it on box 5 but here's the problem he has no sports channels I'm in like every sports channel in the country. Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday morning, Sunday, No. I'm in like 60 sports

channels. We have a budget of like $150,000 a week. He buys all the sports channel and throws me on. You don't like you? No, he needed it for his NFL programming. And at the time, 93 is when he started. He bought him all 93, threw me off, and then in 94, he actually had it. where he owned the NFL programming. There's nothing I could do. Nothing I could do. Because the NFL at the time, gambling was like taboo. You couldn't even say that.

You know, like, think about it. Now it's, you know, 94. It was like, you know, no way. So then I started scramed. So then I had to retake back the 800, the 800 businesses and try to make it go live. And the internet was just a thought. We went to like 10 separate.

seminars on the internet. And the internet was like the most obscure thing. You would go to this fucking meeting. And now it's like you live on it. But then people would talk about we have this, we have a way that throughout the world, we have this thing that it's going to be there and everybody's going to be there. So major, major big players dumped so much money into the internet in 95,

lost their fucking dick. 96, they chased it again, got murdered. 97 got murdered. 98 blew up. So these people who were on the balls of their ass almost bankrupt became nervous. And I was not ready for me. I could not understand it.

I didn't have the skill set. At the time, in 1990 and 91, I advertised on score phones. I advertised in 200 score phones in 200 different cities. They gave scores, odds, lines, injury reports, weather reports. They also jammed 900 numbers in it, and I would have the first 30 seconds going, Hi, folks, this is Stu Feinner, and right now I have the lock of the year.

I have a game that can't lose. I have a game you can bet your children's eyes on. Call me now at 800. And that was, I was able to soften the blow of losing all my TV networks to Rupert Murdoch. So I still had my show, but my budget went from 150,000 to 30,000. I was in very select networks and not the biggest ones. But I was on the scorephones. I was doing good.

Doing good enough. So in 1993, the person that owned the scorephones, he loses like $4 million gambling in like four months in Vegas. He just went on the worst fucking, you know, full tilt end of ever. He says to me, Stu, I want to sell you in the business. I'm like, why would you sell me your business? It's a fucking great business. I'm paying you a million to a year.

You're fucking, he goes, I got in trouble. You know. So we come to an agreement, $4 million. Put a million down, finance $3 million. Fine. It's a steal. It's fucking like stealing money. Can't say no to it.

I worked as a landscaper for William Schwindler. He was the co-eastern. founder of Grumman Aerospace. He was partners with Leroy Grumman. They built all the fighter planes in World War II. He was the engineer. His claim to fame was in the movie Apollo 13 with Gary Sinise and Tom Hanks when they were stuck up in the fucking air. There's a scene in the movie with his two big tables and this guy comes in and throws shit on the table and says, you're the smartest people in the world. They're going to come through the atmosphere and burn the fuck up. We need

to figure out how to save them and you're the smartest people to figure it out. This guy saved them. When they landed in real life, they drove right to his fucking house, which is now my house, and thanked him. Vice presidents were in my basement during World War II while he

was building the fucking fighter planes to fight the fucking Germans. Okay. So I, when he, when, uh, in, we got caught swimming in his pool in six grade. And instead of him giving us hard time, he goes, next year, we'll hire you. So I hired, he hired me and my brother and like four friends. It all lasted like four months because we ran around.

We did nothing. We worked for this guy, Bill, and we were in this greenhouse on the property. It was 7.8 acres. It was absolutely fucking incredible. It was a 1.8 acre side field. It was 3.2 acres in the back, and we were on 2.58 acres. He had a 1900 square foot, 1936 English tutor. He had a barn, he had a tool shed, he had a chicken coop, horse stables, 20 by 60 in the ground pool, next to the pool, men's bath and men shower, women's bath and women's shower. $3 million in trees, psycho fucking trees, maple trees, oak trees, inhuman. It was like you're at a fucking arboretta. The house was, take your breath away.

We worked there four months, got fired. But I told the guy day one, I said, when you don't. I want to buy your house. A fucking guy dies and I buy his fucking house. So in 1994, the way I got the million dollars was my house is on a 2.5 acre piece that it's one acre zoning. The 1.8 acres sidefield next to me is one acre zoning.

The back 3.2 acres is 70 by 100 zoning. So I built 11 houses. I built, I made a cul-de-sac. I got the roads approved. I put the roads in. I put the sewer's in. I plotted the land. out, named it after my oldest son, Sean Michael, and I flipped it. And I took that money,

bought the scorephones. Scor phones were fucking killing. 900 numbers were killing. I have the 800 numbers. Even though I lost the TV show, which would have made me probably a 20, 30, $50 million a year guy. Because it was just growing, growing, growing. The TV show was just off the fucking wall. It's the only show. It's the only fucking show. And that's where I built my reputations, being the source and being entertaining and screaming and yelling. because I knew that gamblers, gambling in reality, is only and only should be for the rich to have fun and lose money. Gambling equates to losing money.

Gambling equates to having fun and losing money. There is no winning. You can say, Stu, somebody wins, nobody wins. They've never won, they never will win. Two types of gamblers. A gambler who says he's a winner, he's a liar, and he's a loser. or just a straight-up gambler that's just a loser.

So that's the reality of gambling since the beginning of fucking time. Now, Draft Kings, Vandul, me, barstool, you, anyone. That's not what we say. We fucking get on there, and we give 100% to be entertaining,

to be funny, to be enjoyable, to take you out of your miserable scumbag fucking life that sucks cock. and you can escape. But the reality is, eventually gambling's going to ruin everything. Gambling being legal is going to ruin children.

It's going to ruin everyone. It teaches you such bad habits. And God forbid, you win early and you win quick and you got a bankload of money. That's the worst fucking thing that could happen. Best thing it can happen is you gamble and you go in hard and you get your fucking teeth king kicked in. So then you learn.

I love gambling. I'm going to gamble forever. But let's take a couple of zeros off what I'm going to play. So there's nothing wrong with gambling every fucking day. Nothing wrong with it. I suggest it. Do it. But be irresponsible.

Because you're never winning and it's going to ruin your life. Not only will it ruin your life, it will ruin how you go about every decision in your life. Whether it's how you treat people, whether it's women, whether it's business. He goes, gambling is quick fix. Quick fix.

Like, wow. In two hours, I got a bugger boatload of money. But that's not how life works. Well, Stu, I'm going to study. Stu, I decided. Listen, gambling is for the rich to have fun and lose money. And that's it. And that's the rule.

So, right, 1997 was my biggest year. I write 8 million live with people. from my first building, which was 4,000 square feet, I flip it into a second building, which is now 8,000 square feet. So perfect sitting duck for the internet to take you down. Unbelievable. Dump all my money into the building, state of the art, rocking and rolling. The internet comes and wrecks me because now people can charge $1 for what I'm charging $1 million.

because now the internet is the Wild West. They're just lying about their record. They're just lying about that past performance. And I can't compete. Because I'm on national TV. I can't lie. People think I lie. I can't lie.

What are you talking about? I'm in front of you every day. Now, certain times when I get my teeth kicked in, I do not go on and go, I got my teeth kicked. That's about the only thing I do that could be, looked at as manipulative. But I can't lie. I've never lied about a record.

I don't lie about Jack. Shit. What happens is I get a bill in the mail from AT&T. How the 900 numbers worked is AT&T pays you 90 days after the money comes in. And then they wait another 20 days. So let's say I write money in September. I do not get the September money. October, November, December, I get middle of January.

They hold 25% for chargebacks, 25%. And then they take 6% for their fee. How about this? Charge Vax was 75%. No shit. They did not have the ability to block pay phones. So how about a payphone in a fucking bar? Everybody's called my 900 numbers.

We don't know it. AT&T's paying me. They lost like $40 million in a day. They almost went out of business. AT&J. And I got a fucking monster bill. I owed them like a gazillion dollars and I had to pay it because I was personal on that. So the internet and that wiped me to fuck out. I was done. I had a shot to be a billionaire, a hundred million dollar guy with 10 million a year coming in me fucking living large going to Atlantic City every fucking day, hanging with Donald Trump, hanging with Marla Maples

when he was fucking around on his first wife, fucking Marla, I was right there, tried to fuck her. She said, no. You know, I didn't actually say, I want to fuck you, but I, like, was flirting, and she fucking looked at me like,

come on, please, I went fucking Donald. Donald was, when Donald opened his casino, I was one of his top guys there. Got a $100,000 caroline lost in 30 minutes. Got another $100 lost in 30 minutes. He had a executive room

where he had the high roller, where he had the restaurant, this restaurant coach, Herazade. And right from the high roll, You walked right into the fucking restaurant. And the way Donald made all his money at the casinos, his plan was to buy the casino and run it into the ground and bankrupt it

and re-buy it back from the bank at 10 cents on the dollar because he knew he had them buy the Bulls. He did it like seven different times. Brilliant. Brilliant fucking move. I mean, ruthless. I mean, people who invested with him got teeth kicked in, but he didn't because he knew the law.

So he played the game. So he was the first to give me. were anyone that was a high roller. Unlimited rooms. I was able to get seven, eight rooms for all my friends. I was able to get free food room and board. I was drinking 10 bottles of crystal on night. Free. Limos. Free, plane free. So that's how I rolled. So the internet and the 900s destroyed me. Now, I got a real bad name for myself because they did. it like that I kept screaming that I could win and I could win and I could win and I'm guaranteeing winners. So I said, let me do this. Let me get professional athletes to work for me.

And they'll be the face of my companies. And then we'll have a crazy sales force selling hard under them. It's got to be a home run. So I get bum Phillips. I get Craig Morton. and I get Chuck Knox, all three of work for me. I think I paid for him $35,000 immediately. Lade it out immediately. Chuck Knox immediately gives me the money back within a week because he said the NFL will not allow him ever into the Hall of Fame if I do this.

Because this is like in the 90s, like this is not now, now everyone does it. So they were useless. No one gave a fuck about Craig Morton. They didn't care that he took the Giants to the Super Bowl. He played Giants. Super Bowl, Bronco Super Bowl, you know, took two different teams. He didn't, they didn't give a fuck. They did not care about Bum Phillips. I caught a bad break, which was a good break for their family,

bad back for me. Wade Phillips becomes like the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos or the Buffalo Bills, one of the two at the time. So then I'm running half-page ads. One of my companies was named inside information sports so i so it was a monday night game colts are playing i think the bills i think it was the bills i say it was the week of the thanksgiving and i say listen i've got inside of information on this game bum phillips spoke to wait phillips and gave me the game it's a lock it's fixed bet everything you own on it so and no one called spent like literally a quarter of a million dollars advertising the game, hundred and something to this bozo, does it work?

The deal with, Craig Morton said, I don't give a fuck about the NFL. They fucked me. They didn't give me health insurance. They really railroaded me. Fuck the NFL. He let me say anything. He didn't give a fuck. Hung out with him and his wife in the city.

We went to plays. We were very close. Bomb Phillips, on the other hand, you know, he was pretty straight up. You know, Houston had a big reputation, very stand-up guy. Great guy. Met him, met his wife. They came here. We partied.

They were the fucking best. You cannot drink as much as Bump Phillips. Like, like, we were, I literally drank like $600 worth of liquor in front of us. Like, it was crazy. You know, I had like a big Christmas party. This guy did not stop drinking. And you couldn't even tell him he was drunk. Like he wore big cowboy head boots, the whole cake of the greatest guy ever.

The deal with Bump Phillips is his wife, his, excuse me, his. daughter was a hot shot lawyer. So before I ran the ad, I would have to send her the ad, tax it to her. She would click it, send the faxed back. I'd put it there as documentation. No.

This one time I said, I'm getting killed here. I'm going to take a shot. I did it. Okay. 6 o'clock in the morning. This is where you said this game's a lock.

It's fixed. Yeah. Put your house on. Six o'clock in the morning. Three weeks later, they were knocked on the door. Hi, how you doing? You've been served.

NFL. Serve me with babies in this fucking thing. It was like a foot fucking high. Silly. Because not allowed to do that. Can't do that. You're, you know, the integrity of the game is on. How does this fucking kids do fine?

You know, have a link with Bump Phillips. And if, and I would have never said that. But now Wade Phillips was coaching a professional team. I think it was the bills. and they fucking sued me. So now, oh my God, I'm in real trouble. I'm in really fucking trouble. So I get the number one lawyer at the time in New York, $435 an hour.

Every time I called him, he billed per minute. I just wanted to talk to him. And I kept talking to him because I didn't want to go to jail. It looked like I was fucking dead. Talked to him. So we went in. we had this meeting. And the meeting was this guy.

The lawyer was supposed to talk to them. We were going to negotiate. Well, I just walked into the meeting. I said, listen, I literally pulled my fucking bank down. I said, listen, I got a six inch dick. I say I have a 10-inch dick, but it's six. And I just told them everything. And I just pleaded my fucking case.

And they said, okay. They said, you're never allowed to hire NFL player ever again. we want retractions times three of what you spent on the ads. So they had a copy of like every ad. So let's say, I mean, I think the exact number was like 160 grand. I had to spend triple one. In retractions, every week running inside information sports has never spoken to Wade Phillips, has never spoken about Phillips, has nothing to do with this.

And it fucking wiped me. So a combination of the internet, combination of 900 numbers, a combination of the lawsuit, really fucking whacked me. So from 1999 to 2006, I was like, I'm a suicide. I did not pay my mortgage for seven years out of eight years. I was in foreclosure, four years. I had no fucking money. I didn't have enough money to buy fucking gatorade or bottled water.

I used to take a fucking thing and put water on the tap, fill it up, and bring it to my kids. And meanwhile, I'm walking around. Because part of the game, part of business, part of confidence is that you've got to walk around, hey, everything's great, doing great, grinding it out, great. And every day, I'd be on the phone, 18 hours a day, calling people up, 18 hours a day, just grind. grinding, grinding, grinding. Now, thank God, I still used my system, and it grinded. Enough winters out where I got hot. I got hot for two, three, four months in a row, and it would be enough to make a living, to stay alive. So I was in, I was, didn't pay my mortgage,

didn't pay nobody for four months. I borrowed like three million from mafia on the street. great reputation and like three points a week. Like 9,000 a week in like just vague. Nothing comes off the top. I borrowed like from $2 million from every friend that I've met my life. And in 1997, which was my best year, me and Sandy, we made $2.4 million on the books.

I didn't pay tax. And then I didn't pay taxes, $98 and 99, where I'm probably made like $400,000, the 400 great he's in a seven million dollar hole went to some tax attorneys and they said stew you gotta go back you're gonna wipe everyone i can't wipe people out these are all my friends my best friends my mother my father my grandmother you know i'm borrowed from everyone i can't do it and then i just somehow like battle tested got fucking hot and from 2005 to 2011 i hit it Every fucking penny.

Because you got hot. Every fucking penny. Grind it out. Beat the board. 2012, figured out the internet. 2013. I put free games on the internet, 12, 13, 14. And I hit a solid 62% in every fucking sport.

In every fucking sport. 2015. Back. 2016, Big Cat and PFT just start their ascension. And they're doing funny things at Barstall. And they run an ad where they imitate me. Big Cat imitates one of my old commercials. PFT imitates one of my commercials.

And they use my actual 800 number. My actual number. What's the of my phones light up? And I write like $14,000 out of the blue. I have no idea. And then all of some, my son's friends said, you were on bar school, you're on bar school, I'm like, who the fuck is barstool?

The weirdest thing, my neighbor who bought my 1.8 acres, so I'd sold it to one person, and they built a beautiful house. I held on to 2.58 acres. 1990, I threw like probably a million three into the house in the pool, made it 4,300 square feet, minted it out, fixed everything up, state of the art, whatever. He's an author dants. Ria, Maria, you know, Barstall Ria,

mother worked, works for him. She worked for him for him for 30 years. And so Ria now says, I can get a whole astute, so they bring me to the office. The first time that I met me, fortunately, in the bottom of the old office, you know, in New York, and he comes down and he's in a hoodie and he has a he has like a hat on and unassuming I have no fucking idea he comes right up to me just do he doing I'm a big fan and I said thank you thought he was like the garbage man I thought he was like like we'll fuck you I've no idea I couldn't really figure I couldn't tell because I wasn't really familiar go upstairs and I cut a promo with Big Cat and PFT they had an idea um Donald Trump would not pick the college basketball bracket for March Madness.

He goes, Barack Obama did it for eight years and he fucking hated him. Like, he fucking still hates him. He fucking hates him. So he says, fuck this, I'm not doing it. So Hank gets an idea, puts a wig on me and dresses me up, red tie, you know, exact suit, white shirt. And I scream and yell like, I'm Donald Trump. And it blows the fuck up. blows up. They had me on for a couple of more skits.

Blow up. Everyone fucking loves me. I go against Larry the goldfish. I have this skit where I'm like, fuck this goldfish. You're not Stu Feiner. And I try to dive in the tank to kill the goldfish. It's just when they started that Big Cat and PFT like fucking tackle me. And then it blows up. And then I go directly against the goldfish when the Patriots played the Atlanta Falcons. and the fish took the falcons

and I took the Patriots and that's when they were down 283 and they won. And then all of a sudden I got a call that July and Dave says Stu me, my father and my uncle used to watch you in the 90s.

We love you. We love your fucking show. We want to bring it back. I want to rebrand it Barstall Sports Advisory. And then that's how I ascended with Barstall. And that's how, you know, the rest is history. That's how I got there. God damn.

What a story. That was fucking incredible. Can I get a T.O. Can I get a timeout so I can go pee? Hold it. Yeah, I got. We ended up this episode to bring you shipped. Shipped office is reliable trust for the same day shopping and delivery.

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It was unassuming seeing Dave. So just had no idea who he was. He left and then someone that I took with me they had to go up says they go, God bless you. They said, do you realize that was fucking Dave Portnly?

Like, oh my God, no, I had no idea. No, I had no idea. A fucking the biggest loser ever. I think he held it. against me for the rest of his life. You know, not that he cares. He doesn't really care about much. You know, he's not like that. But I was embarrassed.

I would have definitely gone about it by a totally different way. I would have pitched myself. I would have said, can we do dinner? You know, something, you know, whatever. But that was it. I was like, thank you. He's like, I'm your biggest fan. I'm like, thank you. That's crazy. Him and his dad used to watch you. Him, his dad and his uncle. That's wild.

One of the reasons that Barstool's sports exists is because of me. because first of all, his father was a lawyer. So he had what we would call a Yiddisha couple. He could speak like the wind. He was taught that to his father in reality. And he had the biggest set of balls in the fucking world. Like no one has a big set of balls than him. And he's brilliant.

Like people think he's just some fucking dodo. He's the smartest fucking guy in the room all the time, every time. Like, you know, he's painted in the corner of it's like some misogynistic fucking, you know, whore. That is so not true. He can go against any CEO in the world, any lawyer, and he holds his own. He knows the law. He knows the law, and he knows how to, like, how to catch you when you're saying certain things and you, like, gets one around you.

You're dead, yeah. He just figures it out. He's extremely smart. He doesn't even have credit. No, not at all. He's the greatest counterpuncher ever. Greatest counterpuncher? Yeah.

Counterpuncher. Yeah. Ever, ever, ever. He doesn't start the fight. He'll end the fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. when you're talking about meeting all these guys

all his made dudes who were like in the mafia and all that what ended up happening to these cats because usually you had to pay $25,000 for the last thing of life that was a question you still paying it so what happened was this

when I told you that the guy came to work for me he became my best salesman he ran the place the main guy died and that was really that was fucking it

how many years did you have to pay a decade A decade? Yeah. Yeah. A decade. Basically bought protection. And what would happen was, I was one of the worst gamblers you ever saw in your life.

Like, I would, like, the minute, like when I went on, pardon my take, the first time with Big Cat, PFT, and Hank. You know, they were degenerate gamblers. They were fucking firing. They were betting everything they owned. They were just going. And I said, listen, guys, the only way to make money is to bet one game a week. Mm-hmm. They were like one game a week.

We bet 10 games a day. I go, well, there's no way for you to ever make money. You know, one game a week is the way. So I know that from experience because I would lock into a week and I'd have one best bet Saturday, one best bet Sunday, and that should be it. But the minute I called in that one bet, I would be like, all right, give me this, give me this, give me this. All of a sudden I have 30 bets similar to what they do and get murdered.

My number one play would always win. everything else would lose. You come out even. No, I just get, I get killed. Oh, oh. I get killed. Even worse. So then I get shut in.

Then I get shut off from bookmakers and I'd go to another bookmaker. And I just kept running debts up, major debts. And then what would happen is we'd have to go to a sit down. And they don't know I'm with anyone. So I'd walk in and they'd be like, don't fucking tell me he's with you. Because then they're not allowed to take my action. They're literally.

So I walked away from a good million and a half bucks Of losing that because I was with these people Which people? My people The mom, his mom guys. The third round, like the final round, the final mom guys? Question number two. Can't lie.

Right. Said the game was fixed. Book it. Buffalo Bills. Right. No. Absolutely not. You got served, but you never necessarily answered the question on it if you had the inside, if you had an inside track.

They knew I didn't. So you essentially lied about having the conversation with Bump Phillips. 100%. But you said earlier, you don't lie at all. Oh, no, I definitely lied then. Were there NDAs involved with this legal? Meaning? You had to sign NDAs if it were to ever be brought up again, say on bus with the boys.

100%. 100%. You have to say, no, I never talked to Bump Phillips. 100%. No, no. Well, they didn't ask that. They just said I'm never allowed to have NFL players. work for me and use them as the face of my company.

How many NFL players would bet with you? You see, you see, then they would go on to assume names because you would go to jail. So I don't actually know. That you were aware of. You don't have to say names,

but a lot of hockey players. Like Ken Danico, he called me out of the blue. He called me the year they won the Stanley Cup. It calls me from the Pittsburgh Penman locker room. Like how the fuck, you're not fucking Ken Danico. What are you,

talking about. I said, you're going to, you're playing in two hours. He goes, yeah, I know, I'm going to call you from the locker room. Went on an insane role with the guy. One of my quarter a million bucks. Major fucking role. Major role. Bitting on games with him? Like him involved, like him playing the game like his team? No, never hockey football. Okay, got you. He would pay you to get the picks and then he would go back. Yeah, exactly. Never hockey. We never spoke about hockey. But he gave me and my brother tickets. We went to every home game that year. I sat next to his wife and his sister for the championship game when they clinched. They won

two games in Detroit and then game three and four, the Stanley Cup, was at home and we sat next to his wife and his sister. We weren't allowed to tell who we were. It was the bucket most crazy thing ever. Hanging out with that, it goes, I didn't say boo. Yarmie Yager in the 90s was a big better

and he lost like a million bucks. What did he do? he was one of the greatest plays that literally one of the greatest hockey players not as much of a hockey yeah hockey came wearing a hockey jersey all right yeah yeah spin shots shot of the wolf's hockey came to me a lot there was a lot of hockey players hockey players are Dgens for sure right but did NFL players come to you not that literally not none that you're aware of literally not one that I could drop a name basketball not one that I could drop it how about baseball not one that I could drop it how about baseball not one that I could

drop a name. Not that, yeah, I mean, even if you, I literally have none, no. What about, uh, referees? Never. Never like that. There was never anything like that. Yeah, there was never some shoeless Joe Jackson type stuff going on. No, never. I was never like involved with that. I don't think, I don't think it actually even existed that I know of like, you know, like I was not like, like, like I never knew about it. Like there was an Arizona college basketball betting scandal that one of my cousins' best friends was there in Arizona and his roommate was doing the fixing. And they called me and told me this. But two of the three games, they gave me lost.

So I was like, you're a fraud. Eight months later, it all came out. He was fucking telling the truth. They threw the game. But I didn't, you know, like in other words, I never trusted it. Like, everybody wanted to be a handicapper. Everybody wanted to have an opinion. And they would call me and they wanted to work with me picking games, but I knew they had no

idea. You know, they were clueless. They didn't know what the fuck they were doing. You know, they didn't know what they were doing. Like I ran a couple, like, I ran in, let me think. How is in the 80s probably. I ran double strip ads in the New York Daily News and the Boston Herald. And I spent like 25,000 a week, 12-5 each paper.

So you'd open up the paper and they would have all the analysis of the sports games. and I would run a strip ad at the bottom. And that would fucking do amazing for me. Absolutely amazing. And Rick Riley of Sports Illustrate came to me and he wrote about me and he'd fucking annihilated me.

Oh my God. Like that was the last time I ever spoke to a reporter. Like, you know, when you hear these stories, I said one thing. We ate at Amato's in Amityville great meal was me, him and Sandy. And then when it came out, he absolutely destroyed me. What happened was one of their customers, they paid me as a customer.

And I hit like 40%. I was cold. They caught me for like a three of me. I got fucking terrible. And they destroyed me in Sports Illustrated, destroyed me. Then also, I got fined by the Daily News, 10,000 Department of Consumer Affairs. I think it was 80, late 80s, maybe 90. They hit me with a fine because I was too aggressive with my ads.

The person who wrote the ads for me, first week I went 7 and up. So I posted last week, 7 and O. Then my advertising agent next week put two weeks to go 7 in 9. I didn't go 7 in 9 that week. But it was posted. So they immediately took the fucking ads. that and fine me like $10,000.

So people to this day, like when they write bad about me, they say, Stu Fonda was fine, $10,000 in the department of consumer it was like 1990. What are we in 2024 right now? But, you know, so there were certain things that I ran the company and certain things that, like salesmen, uh, salesmen said that, you know, I would say, keep it clean, walk the line, but they went over the line. So in reality, when you say, did I lock?

were there things I did wrong I'm responsible so yes I did do things wrong certain things not premeditated not on a daily basis but it was fucking done the the and you almost just understood that the line was always going to be crossed in some way and you have more be like I don't want to hear about it correct you know what I'm saying I you know keep it as clean as possible but you know whatever you do what you got to do um the when Rick Riley wrote about me I mean I caught the worst break fucking possible. So let's say it was in Sports Illustrated, big deal. The cover of that issue that I was in was the one that Magic Johnson got in. So it was their biggest fucking issue ever. So like everybody

read it. Oh, everybody fucking read it. How do you feel about that now knowing like it's, you know, people have those like shots and you look at that as part of like your reputation? You know, something, I'm in a whores business. I'm in a 99% of the people that are in my business, a scumbag's low lives and thieves. From day one, they lie. From day one, they double side games. They get half one side, half another. From day one, they bookmaker. They say, I know the bookmaker. I'm good. Like a guy, they'll say, can you bet 100,000 on this game? No, I can only but 10,000. They'll give a number, which is them sitting right next to themselves, the bookmaker. They change their voice. They pick up the phone. They go, yeah, what the fuck you are?

Yeah, we'll fuck sent you. Fuck you. Yeah. You want about 100,000 a game. Send me a quarter of a million. Yeah, you get a quarter of a million credit. You could bet up to a quarter of a million. They send the money, and then they either lose, they give them a game for the whole amount. and if they win the game, phone number gets disconnected, and so does this guy's phone number get disconnected. If they lose the game, it's a wash, and they just stole them on.

So I've never done any of that. I don't do that. So compared to 99.9% of people in my industry, even when I was rolling in the 80s and 90s, like let's say I've been squeaky, squeaky clean since squeaky clean, 2001 squeaky. You know, there is never

because it's, because the only person you're dealing with is either me or my son Alex. That's it. That's literally it. It's the only people you'll ever speak to. And I never do that. So basically like you're in a scumbag game, but you try to be as, as good as possible in the scum bag game.

Exactly. Like always a good scumbag. Exactly. But I'm talking the 80s a night. Right. Not now. Now you go to jail. You're right. Right, right, right. You go to jail. You can't do that. You know, there's no...

You've had the ability to, like, hustle and sell and, you know, manipulate the brain into being able to sell. Like, get your product across. That would me, trust me. Like, in other words, two years ago on Barstall Sports Advisors, you know, had... I won the overall record, and I was 15 wins, four losses, two times on my mortal locks. People sent me money every week that I never heard of that I never heard of that I... don't even know who they are saying stew i love you i bet you more than what stew i went i went i went in like nine in a row like and i was yelling about it like it so this year i was nine nine and one on the moroves i mean not horrific but like on the overall games i was fucking terrible you know

like 45 percent terrible because uh it just didn't work for me like i like i told like on barcel sports i'm the public one sucker money one team that had injuries, I like the teams with the injuries. I like the inferior team. I like the dog shit team. I like the team that cannot win. I'm going to be on that team. This year, didn't win. This year I looked like a fool certain times because the next day I go, didn't you know there was five injuries here? Didn't you know the quarterback, you know, whatever. But normally that worked for me. So I've been doing this so long. Like I tease about it, but I'm gut level. I measure my success by the decade, not the week, month, a year. You know,

I didn't roll off a turn-up truck and all of a sudden I'm Sue Finer. You know, like in other words, you know, people don't pay me millions of dollars a year because I'm a fucking jerk off. They pay me because they know in, not only are their sons have made money with me, but their fathers have made money with me. And it could be going back to their grandfathers. I have three generations of people that have been on a master class right now. have fucking gone through with me. Yeah. So in other words, fuck yeah.

Wasn't my best football year. That doesn't mean it's not going to be my best basketball year upcoming. But for, you know, I did not have a winning year. You know, I'm not afraid of that. You know, doing this since 1980. I'm not afraid of that. Not afraid of that. I've been fucking, my, my dick has been on the line for 44 fucking years.

When you start betting, like, how big of, would your units get in your peak? When you would go back? $150,000 a game. Really? Yeah. Getting my dick kicked. Getting fucking hammered. Why, whenever you talk to a season gambler, it's always like negative, negative town?

Like Big Cat, Dave, all those guys are like negative about gambling, but you still fucking do it every day. Well, because it's, first of all, it's very competitive. Like, like, I don't know if we were rolling, but we spoke about Dave. Dave is one of the smartest humans that have ever walked. Dave has a Yiddisha cup, which, you know, means that he's so glib he could talk on any subject, whether he knows anything about it or not. Balls a stone. His father was a lawyer.

He thinks like a lawyer. He thinks analytically. He thinks he wants a back you into a corner so you can make a mistake. And then he's the greatest counter-puncher ever. But the motherfucker is so competitive. He got extremely lucky being born in Massachusetts. He caught six fucking Super Bowls. He caught the Celtics championships.

He caught the Boston Bruins championships. He caught the Boston Red Sox from jerk-offs and perennial losers to being arguably winning the most fucking World Series in any team since 2004. So in other words, he has so much winning under his belt. And that motherfucker is so competitive. and the hardest thing in the world to do is win money gambling. Big cat, big winner.

Very smart. He looks like, you know, plays the dummy role, plays like I'm a dodo. You know, that motherfucker is super smart. He has a photographic memory. He knows everything about everything. He never says he doesn't know unless he knows it, and he fucking knows it. It's like PFT.

Those guys are scary smart. You think they're just, you know, two swinging dicks is the reason that fucking, you know, they write $350,000 a week on fucking pardon my take. It's in a one podcast. in the fucking world. There's a reason that they're so fucking great. Big Cat, so competitive, hates to fucking lose, hates to lose. It's a detriment to anybody in life. I hate to fucking lose. If I'm walking in an airport with Sandy, and I don't like the fucking person to my right,

I'm going on that fucking escalator before me. I don't give a fuck if they're 80 years old, if they're fucking limping, if they're crippled, if they're in a wheelchair, I just fucking competitive. I'm fucking cutting them fucking off. It's a detriment. I don't like to lose. So gamblers, especially successful men and women who have either inherited money through death accident luck, who have built their businesses up from nothing and now are worth thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions. In Dave's case, hundreds of millions. They don't back down.

They don't fucking back in any walk of life. They don't back down. Gambling is unbeatable. That doesn't mean that these competitive people that own 70 car lots and I'm making two million a week, they go, hey, Team A's playing Team B. How do fuck am I not going to be able to figure this fucking out? I got a 50% shot. They don't realize they don't.

They don't realize they don't. And that's really what it is. I had a pamphlet that in 1992, I was sending a quarter of a million dollars, quarter of a million pamphlets out every two weeks. They gave the schedule rotation of the games. It was called the Vegas rotation. The reason the schedule was critical,

you're a gambler, is I sent it to bookmakers. And then bookmakers sent it to their clients. Because like on a Saturday or like on a Sunday, there's no fucking internet. How do you know this? How do you know the schedule of the games? So if you call the bookmaker in the old days, 80s and 90s, is what you would hear. I would go. Stu 131. All right, Stu, lines are six, Patriots are seven, Steelers are four, Knicks are six. And they would read. read it right in a fucking row at the speed of light. Unless you have the schedule, which was called the Las Vegas rotation,

you're fucking dead. You have no idea. So you would have to write the lines in the book. So I had the book. So I used to in and date the advertising with my 900 numbers and my 800 ads. So offshore sports books were opened in 1990. First time.

first time you could bet offshore. First time you had any shot besides local bookmakers. The only place that you could advertise nationwide would be an offshore sportsbook. Dave Boudin opened a place in Panama called S.D.B. Global. And it stood in the initials were for here. Dave, Steve B. Okay, you open a place in Panama And Panamanian government

stole $4 million from him, put a gun in his fucking head And said, get the fuck out of town And they just robbed his fucking money. They literally said, we're not let you fucking do this get the fuck out. They moved to Costa Rica. They're about to go out of business in Costa Rica Because they cannot figure out how to advertise. The newspapers, the TV will not allow ads in the United States.

I put a half-page ad for booty in my pamphlet. And he wrote $14 million the first year off of my ad. The offshore sportsbook business was started by me. It was started by me. What do you mean by started by you? There would have been no offshore fucking sportsbook business because he was the first person there. Got thrown out of Panama.

So everybody heard about it They were not going over there And then he went to Costa Rica And he was the first and he was the first big business He was the first sports book The number one sports book where people in this country You basically got connected with him, called him Here's how you're going to do this

For illegally can send money offshore And you could bet And that was the first big offshore sportsbook So I used to make money on advertised I advertised for him And he also advertised on my scorefons So I was like the first to really push the offshore sports. I was the first to get it off the front of ground.

And then eventually became like mainstream. But then he eventually got arrested. And he had to, he had to sell everything. And, you know, he didn't go to jail, but he had to pay like some exorbit, like $4 million fine. And then he eventually passed away. He was a good guy. Did you know he was going down? No, he called me one day.

Because he said, he goes, because he used to have, he, his lawyers told him it was legal. As long as he followed the money laundering laws, we weren't allowed to money launderer. He thought it was legal. So all the money he made, the way he got caught was he paid taxes on it. We're back into this country, lived in Miami, paid taxes on it, made like 10 million back to back, 10 million, 10 million. And then they arrested. You weren't allowed to be a bookman. You literally weren't allowed to be a bookman.

So he was actually trying to do it the right way. He got set. And he got fucking nailed. If you left all the money in Costa Rica, they wouldn't even fucking note. He brought it back and pay taxes on it. That's fucking nuts. With a two for the money.

Yes. So how does what is the process of how you, yeah. I didn't know that. Okay. So during my 900 number reign from 1990 and 95, I had a lot of people that work for me that were quality scorephone announcers and good enough handicapped that they fed these 900 numbers. One of the kids that work for me, Brandon Link. L-I-N-K.

He worked for me. And he was my top guy. I had 900-860-30-30-30-3-2-10, and then I had a 900-860-3-11. three oh so i had a 25 dollar number that wrote three million dollars a year and then i had a fifty dollar number that i bumped to that wrote two million dollars a year he wrote about two and a half million then i had like another eight people work for me that wrote like two million combined so he was the best of the rest not me because i was too finer and i won a lot at that time thank god he went into a horrific losing streak.

I'm talking 10% for nine months. So I said, Brandon, you're a great salesman. You have a great articulate voice. I'm going to have my brother-in-law give you the games. And you're going to feed them on your numbers. And that worked for about three months. And then when the business quadrupled, because Kevin was winning,

Brandon lost his fucking mother. So, what about my Porsche at the time, 900K on the license plates, what I'm a Rolex. So one day, come to the office, and he was like my best buddy. People hated him because he hung with me.

He went every day he hung with me, went to all the sporting events with me, went to Super Bowls, went to Broadway, ate out to dinner every day at my house. The salesman, Upstairs were on the phone pounding away. So downstairs, we have two satellites and five TVs in my office in 1987.

Think about that. 1987. Bars didn't even have it. I had two satellites on the roof. To get the NFC games, you had to have one satellite to get the AFC games. You had to have another. And I was way ahead of my time, state of the art. So he would literally hang out with me and watch the games.

And he was best friends with my brother and they would fuck whores. And they would do a lot of things. So he gets pissed and he writes this long letter to me. And he gives me the Rolex bag and says this and that was fucking bullshit. Made you a ton of fucking money. I was your boy. You fucked me. Blah, blah.

Leaves me. Goat, that was 1995. Goes to like Australia for two weeks. Then comes back and he's both broke. He caddies at the Riviera country club. I'm trying to get a whole of them. Can't find him. No matter what I do, can't find the fucking guy.

Can't get a whole of them. Detectives, friends, giving 50 grand cash, find this fucking guy. I want him to come back to work for me. Because he left me in 95. He set up someone to take over his spot. And 95, I wrote, 11 million, 96, 14 million, 97, 60 million.

So in the letter, he says, I'm not fucking you. You're well set to go on your way. You're never going to miss me. But I can't work for you no more. And he was right. But now I'm killing. It's all like, let me get a hold of this fucking. I can't find him.

And I mean, you can't even make this fucking up. So I have like 220 full and part-time people working for me. It's before the internet killed me. It's before the 900 numbers went in the toilet, 75% chargebacks, before I had to buy. borrow money and going to bankrupt, not bankruptcy, but, you know, destitute for seven years and can't pay the mortgage. Part of my salesman comes down and goes, you're not going to believe this.

My cousin owns a security firm in Arizona and to keep properazis away from stars. And Dustin Hoffman and Renee Russo are riding horses in Arizona at the Grand Canyon. And they overhear, Dustin Hoffman say, I'm playing this Jewish guy, Stu Feiner, in New York and a movie. I said a salesman, do me a favor. Get the fuck out of here, you jerk off. What are you out of your fuck? Are you, I mean, are you fuck? Is this a joke? He goes, I swear to fucking God. Rene Rousseau's husband, Danny Gilroy, wrote the screenplay. And I swear to God, there's no mistake here. I'm like, get me fucking Danny Gilroy's number. Guy gets me, Danny Gilroy's number. Call Danny Gilroy on the phone, Renee Rousseau's husband. I go, listen to you, Lolloy, I've

cocksucker motherfucker. I'll fuck your wife on fucking national TV. Who to fuck you to play to fucking write a movie about fucking me. I'll sue your cock sucking balls. And I hang up the phone. Leave my number. Call me. I am telling you one minute later, Brandon calls me. After two years, can't find a kid. Stu, what are you doing? You can't threaten Danny Gilroy. You're going to blow the whole thing up. Blow one thing up, asshole. And he tells me the whole story. He caddied Danny Gilroy, René Russo's husband, and Dustin Hoffman at the Riviera Country Club.

He lined Danny Gilroy up for a 50-foot putt that he sang. Justin Hoffman on the spot gave him $20,000. Because during the 18 holes, he pitched his story about him working for me. I go, well, listen, there's no fucking way you're going to do this without me. He goes, I'll come back to work for you and we'll make it happen. He came back to work for me as if he never stopped, became a superstar again working for me. Sits on Dustin Hoffman's desk, 98, 99, 2000, 2001. Hands it back, says I can't do the project.

Danny Gilroy, Renee Rousseau, shop the fucking thing. 2002, three, four, 2005, Jim Robinson. that owned Morgan Creek production. Last House on the Block finally says, let's do the movie. And they got Dustin Hoffman. They out, totally out. They got Al Pacino to play me,

Matthew McConaughey to play Brandon, Renee Russo to play Sandy, Jeremy Piven to play my brother-in-law, Kevin Duffy that ran the fucking place. And the customer that we took for a ton of money was Amanda Sante. And in the movie, they made me sign all.

off all the rights and everything. The sports advisors in that movie, Al Pacino, Matthew McCona, Jeremy Piper on my TV show. So, two weeks before the movie fucking ads, all the sudden,

Brandon says, fuck you, I'm not letting you. Al Pacino wasn't you. I go, what do you mean it wasn't me? It's my movie. I fucking signed off. This is my fucking TV show. He does not let me do all the interviews that he does.

at the time I went partners with Dave Buden's son Steve Booden. He became a total drug addict, lost all his fucking money, and he was some entitled fucking scumbag. Really, the worst of the worst, would, to your face would hug you, kiss you, and then try to fuck your wife behind your back. You know, the biggest thief, which is most of the time what happens when the father has money or your family has money,

and then the son is just fucking, you know, he's married into it, and like he thinks he's a big shock, because he's got his father, whatever, to do whatever. And it wasn't all ugly with Steve Booden because he got Sportsbook.com and sports.com. He got million-dollar deals for me

to advertise all my scorephones when I bought the scorephones from Jerry McCahn that went bad. So it isn't like all bad. He didn't fuck me totally, but he eventually fucked me. So, and then he goes into business for Brandon, And fucks Brandon because he says to me, Stu, don't worry about it.

We set up a website for Brandon. We changed Brandon's name to Brandonlang.com. And at the time, I went into the internet and I started doing really good with websites. So Steve comes to me and says, let Brandon run. We're going to take every customer that advertises and pays Brandon Lang, and we're going to just push a bit to Stu Feiner.com and all these other websites. so we used Brandon's site as a lost leader Brandon ever knew and we took all his fucking customers

so I made like $6 million off of it and forever eventually Brandon came around and eventually Steve wrote a book and said yeah of course Alperjana was Steve final and the movie was a disgruntled employee's standpoint on working for Sue you know that was fucking what happened with the movie

so that's the whole movie story in a nutshell I'm gonna watch that tonight God it's a good one because basically he is because it's Brandon Lang in the movie right? Correct. Brandon Link is Brandon Lang. Right. And it feels like the hiccup of him going

on this dry spell and then your brother-in-law making, forcing him to give Brandon to the picks and he had to do him and then you, you know, hit it big and he got pissed off and left. They more so made it about getting too close with the family, getting closer to your wife, you thinking that the cheating things going on. And that's why he writes the letter, gives the Rolex back and all the watch and everything else because it's like, hey, we're, we're both going down a bad way.

Al Pacino's going down a bad way. Trying to do private, you know, all the stuff. Not trying to like ruin the movie. But. Correct. It's really, it's awesome. You'll really like it. The scene in the movie in the restaurant, that restaurant was, I think he fucks Jamie King.

I think her name is. Where Al Pacino sets that up? No, no, no, no, no. No. He fucked this girl in this restaurant. Well, I don't remember how it was played in the movie where at where in the movie Brandon thinks it's him gaming her up

but really Al Pacino set it up right okay what really happened it was it was a restaurant called Nanny Iveletto 61st between Lex and Park yeah the two restaurants we ran in is that restaurant and Smith Walenskis we went there almost every night with 20 people

I was spending like 6 to 8000 a night on dinner like because I had unlimited money and I didn't have the I was never good with saving it nice. I live like I'm going to die tomorrow. It's how I do it. It's not a great way to be. It's not a great way to be married to me or whatever or financial advisors, but that's how I do it. So, you know, like if I died at 30, I had a great life. So I'm living like I'm going to be 63,

January 31st, same birthday as PFT day before Big Cats January 30th. And then Craig Cotton's January 31st. And Josh, whatever that, Josh, who's the kid that does BFF with Josh Richards? January 31st. His birthday's the same as ours, too. But, so I got, I got 33 years of a role that I never thought I was going to happen. I thought I was going to die at 30 because I just had the perfect life. You know, I could deal with losing money gambling. I could deal with the sit downs. I could deal with all the craziness because I just had so much fun.

You know what I mean? Like no one had as much fun. You couldn't have as much fun as I did. You couldn't bring an entourage forever, everywhere, every night. Like I hit the Super Bowl. every night for almost 30 fucking years. But Brandon, what was the point with that? I'm sorry, I just...

I was just saying it looked like some of the Hollywood. They made it more about the white situation and the opportunity movie. The movie is specifically 70% fake, 30% true. Like every Hollywood movie. But it really is how Brandon felt. You know what I mean? It is a disgruntled employee's standpoint

point on him working for me. On him thinking he's coming up. He's the real one. He's better. But you, Al Pacino is kind of like. He's not taking the games from him away. Yeah. That was his only contention, nothing else.

Yeah. My only, like, and then he used to like, Brandon used to get food for the office upstairs, which he thought was beneath him. So one day we get a TCBY order. And Brandon is getting the order. And my brother comes down and says, Kevin, one should go upstairs.

and get the order. And Brandon was like, I don't know fucking get in the order. And my brother cracks him across the face and moves his nose

from here to here. He still has problems with his nose. So of course, we go to the hospital. The doctors are going, you got to sue this fucking back. Right now,

you can fucking put him in jail. You're going to have problems here for the rest of your fucking life. You're going to need surgery. You're not going to be able to breathe right. And I'm listening to us and I fucking, call my guy up

he better get to this fucking place quick because you've got an issue. So he tells Brandon on the fucking table you fucking ain't. You broke and knows the last fucking problem you're going to fucking have. Thank God. My brother would have gone to jail.

Definitely. So you've had to make a couple calls during your time. Oh, I've had to make like 40 calls that I can't tell any of them. That's the only soft one I can tell. Yeah, I've made a lot of calls still. You can make calls still? I have no.

choice. I've made a lot of things. Yeah, a lot of really disgusting, ugly, like, holy fuck. Like, how can you live with yourself and you do what you got to do? You know, certain shit gets scary. You know, I put myself in some bad spots. But it is what it is. You know, it is what a line. Right? How do you feel like your outlook, you know, principles, philosophy, whatever's changed since those times where all of this stuff basically happened like in other words i have an insane attitude of gratitude yeah because the way the way you are like embracing the positivity the way that people understand stew finder in the barstool sports world it also sounds like it's a very different stew finer that is in this world of gambling the mafia's the

everything else like i've had to do what i've had 20 years removed um almost 30 years removed from that Think about that. Most of the stooleys, most of my peers, weren't even born yet. Or we're young. Like, I'm the oldest stoolie. I'm going to be 63. You know, I don't act 63.

Act like I'm fucking 23. But so I have an extreme attitude of gratitude. I have insane wisdom due to failure after failure, after failure to never lose your enthusiasm. You know, I have an overall scope on gambling. where kids call me all the time that like my business is the hardest business in the world because it isn't like I ever get people. Stu, I want to pay you.

Never gambled in my life. This is the first time. Let's go. I never get that. Never. I get train wrecks. Stu, I'm stuck XYZ. Stu, I got murdered and I'm in a really bad spot.

Stu, I lost money. I did not have my first thing I say to them, which is so counterproductive for my businesses. Hey, listen, gambling's for the rich, that fund lose money. I mean, you're fucking a psycho. How about go to Gamble's Anonymous? Don't ruin your fucking life. I don't need your money. Now, I wouldn't have said that when I was in my 20s, but I say it for the last 15 years. So I'm trying to dig someone out of a hole And they're putting me in a spot That I got to win right fucking now And that's impossible

That's impossible There's no way to help someone If all I ever did was get someone from scratch I could manage a bankroll I can understand the whole thing I got a shot I got no shot These people are already destroyed they're hammered because people on their own think they could win

and then people chase thinking they could win then they're going to ask their dog their mother, their father, the banker, who they like and they're going to bet those games then they're going to watch some fucking jerk off shows and they're going to fucking get hammered again. You can't go on any sports channel right now and not get a handicapper or an analyst that's played the game

that's literally staring at you telling you what's going to happen. Now, he's not telling you to bet on it, but he's so confident in his analysis that you do bet on it. And then you get hammered. And then they fucking come to me. What am I going to do? I mean, you're already dead. So it's a really tough, tough business.

Now, I do get people who have unlimited money, trust fund people, people that are responsible, I do get them. But that's like 20% of the business. 80% of my business is train wrecks that I pray to God, I can get hot tonight for the guy. Because half of the people go,

listen, I got one shot. I'm dead if you don't win. And I'm losing for that guy, 40%. I'm losing for that situation, guaranteed 40% of the time. Guaranteed. 60% is insane winning. That's inhuman winning.

Now you're put in a position where you're in a fucking artsy, you have to win. So it's a really tough business. So my point of my attitude is that my experience being on this earth so long, I'm a father of four, I'm a husband being, you know,

no matter what I performatively talk about my body, and who I, you know, I'm married to the same fucking girl. I'm going over to 10 years of the day. I got no prenuptial. I am not at fucking really good looking at all. I don't have a big dick. I do eat ass and eat pussy. I'm great at it, but, you know, nobody's going to go, wow, I'm going to fuck that guy.

So I'm with one person, you know what I mean? I'm really, that's who I am. You know, I'm a father. I'm a husband. And I have a lot of knowledge because of my failures and my psycho bad experiences so that most people's lives suck. That's the cold, hard reality of life. Life is very hard, very difficult.

It is painful. So what I try to do is give a little brevity to gambling, brevity to life, be super nice to people. I help the less fortunate. I do so much that I do so much that I, I will, no one will ever know, including my wife, what I do for people, because I was taught in the overdose anonymous rooms when I went there, because I was 262, and I got down to 139 because of the rooms. They taught me what to do. They taught me I'm eating over my feelings

and problems of feelings so that I know how hard life is and that most people do not ever catch breaks. Most people have an unsatisfied life. So I try to tell people to be great, take no shit from no one. You can do it. But like in other words, the reason I was successful, first of all, I was with the same girl. She's my bookkeeper. Her father worked for me. Her brother and more work for me. Her two sisters worked for me. So I was married into that, right? That's number one. And they helped me tremendously. So I didn't stray like I could have. Like she's been with me to all the sporting events. She's been with me to all the craziness. She's there. That is invaluable. That's number one. Otherwise, I would have crashed and burned. No two ways about it.

There's not a fucking, you know, I would have had babies and I would have got sued. Who knows? Whatever. But the point is that, um, I was taught that you have to help the less fortunate and never get found out. You can't, you can't say, I did this for someone. Look at me. Because it doesn't count. It doesn't count. It doesn't. It doesn't. doesn't count. So your, my plight in life, my reality of life is that I fucking

I want to treat the garbage man the same way I'll treat day I'm. I walk into that fucking Barstool New York office. First, New York office, second, Chicago. I fucking say hello to everyone. I look everyone in the eye. I shake everyone's hand. I don't remember

half of their fucking names, but I make sure that I say hello and I look in the eye. And they know that I am real and they can rely on me because as you know, you guys get the world by the balls. You were gifted with such intelligence. You can articulate. You have insane social skills. You have an insane reputation.

And you were phenomenal athletes. No one has that. You know, no one really has that. That's why you are who you guys are. You know, I got the ability. I bounced back. from tragedy and circumstances that should have taken me out so many times. If I made the wrong step certain times,

if I went like certain times I was late to certain situations that 14 people died, I should have been there, I was not there, I could have been smacked around with my partners when the mafia came after, I was not there, I got sued by the NFL, that could have gone. So bad and so wrong, I went bankrupt, not bankrupt, but I was balls broke. I didn't pay my mortgage for four years. They didn't come after me.

Somehow I was able to just constantly talk on the phone every month of the people. I'm going to make it happen. I'm not going to beat you. I'm living here. You know, playing the game. Outwardly, everything's okay. Inwardly, I'm fucking dying. Then I got a fucking modification on my mortgage.

And I went there the next month for another three fucking years. And I was able to pull it off. So I had a $650,000 mortgage. They put like a million one onto it. It was like a million seven. Right now I owe like 12 payments left. I own the fucking house. I got a $2 million house.

I did it. I don't know how. So the point is that you have to believe in yourself unconditionally. You can't rely on no one. You really can't. Like people say, it's great to have good friends and people to help you. Yes, but no. It has to come.

from you. You have to make your own life. You have to make your own success. You have to do it. Because there's so many fucking opportunities out there right now, especially with the internet. You can reach the world. You got a good idea. It's easier than ever right now. But you still have to have the balls to do it. And you have to be able to deal with the people that come after you. Say you're a low like, say you're a skumbick. The better you do, listen, people hate people that are successful. They really are. It's nuts. It's fucking crazy. You know, like people say, don't read the comments.

Dave and Big Cat and PFT, first time I met him, don't read comments. I read every fucking comment. Every comment, I delete any fucking person that fucking is a scumbagie. I hide it and I delete it. Every comment, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Every fucking comment. never not read a comment because you're not going to piss on me in my fucking house. And my social media is my fucking house.

I worked hard at that. You know what I mean? I'm 63 fucking years old. No one's ever said, hey, Stu Fein is the greatest guy ever. You know, like, Barstool loves me and that stuff. But no newspapers, no media. Fucking ESPN never picked me up. Fox never picked me up.

No media outlet ever picked me up. No newspaper ever picked me up. Matter of fact, they tried to put it. put me in my grave. So in other words, I've dealt with a lot of adversary, but I'm not going to read about it. You're going to piss on me on my fucking, on my social. That's my backyard. That's my life. I built that up. I got 170,000 fucking followers on Twitter, and my Twitter's been taken down three fucking times. And I was the ultimate shadow band. They shadow banned me. They created the word to shadow band me. My Instagram has been taken down twice. I got 130,000 followers on Instagram.

those are hard numbers. You know what I mean? Because I'm not date poorly. I think I am, but I'm not. I'm not fucking Big Cat, not PFT. I'm not you. I'm not you.

You know what I mean? I'm really not. But I bring enough to the table that every day I work hard, every day. Everybody knows what I eat, what I do, when I take a shit,

when I fuck my wife, and that's my game. So my point is that you don't rely on nobody. You want something to happen. You fucking do it. It's the bar, Stool ain't going to do shit for you. They're really not. You can work that forever and be a nobody

and make no money. What did Brianna do? Brianna literally, I remember like it was fucking yesterday. She was some scared little fucking intern. And I went out of my way. I mean, obviously, because she was beautiful. But just, I mean, but she doesn't look like she did then now, you know, but I went out of my way to say, hey, lady, you're going to fucking be great. You give it 100%. Fucking 200%. Like anytime, like, for example, people would walk into that office and I watched it. It really drove me fucking crazy. Brianna, can I take a picture with you? Meanwhile, Grace is sitting right at the fucking desk next to her. And Grace never blinked. And I watched a couple times. She put her head down, her head down because, you know, like she didn't get the buzz. Anytime I took a picture of Brianna, I said,

fucking Grace, come in the picture. So I'm aware, but again, I'm 62 years old. To be aware like that, you have to see a lot. I've seen a lot. So, you know, my message would be like my motto, my MO is to fucking, you rely on yourself, you trust yourself, no one's better than you. My point that I was talking about when I started the business, me and sending, we worked 19 hours a day for over 15 years, seven days a week. There was no difference. I did not go to people's weddings.

I did not go to people's birthday parties. I did not go to backyard barbecues. I fucking work like an animal. So I know how it is to work. And you have to sacrifice. And the sacrifice is painful. And the sacrifice is deep. And you're going to lose friends.

And you're going to lose friendships. But to be successful, that's the price you pay. That is similar to price you pay. And people hate you. Jealousy is crazy. It's fucking crazy. The better you do, more people hate you. Well said.

You know, it's, so that's my ammo. Fuck, man. It was a great happening to all. Me and you probably put in, look, there's 238 right now. We probably put in eight minutes total. I think I would take the under on that. Yeah, yeah. Say maybe we thought for five minutes.

Yeah. It's incredible to hear your story. And it's incredible. It's an honor. At least, I'm so blessed. I really am. It means the world. I know there's a lot of gaps and you go on and on and on.

I can speak for notified that. Yeah, no question. But I feel like we got a good front-to-back cover. Yeah, it was really, it's, it can come back anytime. I remember meeting you and then I didn't know, obviously, your background and all that, and Will was kind of film me in. It was back in New York. And then obviously seeing you on Barcelona Sports Advisors and the Top Dog Energy, it's incredible to see you turn on the energy and also the gratitude. You're a very genuine person. It's very nice to finally get to know you

a little bit. Thank you. This is awesome. Thank you. So the show was called initially the sports advisors. These sports advisors. And Dave said, I want to rebrand it. And you're the guy to deal with because we want to bring back all that. I want to bring back your show, you know. And he said, and he literally said to me, my son was still pissed to this fucking day. He said, what do you need? You know, meaning how much money? What do you need?

I was like, fucking Dave, can I run two commercials on the show? Like, I used to me, he goes, yeah, he goes, that's all I fucking need. Because I'll make my own money. Like, it's probably a bad move. I probably should have hit him for a salary. And then I would have probably got a couple million dollars worth of penstock. and you know I missed out on that because I'm not sharp like that I'm just not you know where am I you know I'm a quick to make a decision but I was so grateful you know to I'm like fucking Dave Portnoy just fucking called me I got to respect that you know what I mean and if I can't make my own way off of that then I'm not too final you know then what the fuck I've been talking about my whole fuck a lot. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, I mean, so I got you guys, the book, Betjai can.

Okay. This book, you know, tells the whole story. And then guys, I got two more here for you guys, too. And then I got the source fire. And then I got the cum towel, which is a fabulous piece of merchandise. Hello, Mr. Comptow. Hello. Hello. And it's a great read. I mean, you take a shit in that book will be, you know, an hour and a half. You got the whole fucking book under your belt and then most of the time, you know, because you guys love gambling and love the roller coaster, it's a great story, you'll read it twice. It's just fucking

great, you know, and then there's a lot of things I didn't talk about that are in the book. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I didn't want to bring up, but, you know, it's in the book. It's black and white. Everything going to happen is black and white. You know, appreciate you, ma'am. Yeah, it's a good read. I appreciate, yeah, you're sharing all this with us.

My pleasure. Do you have fun on on Bustin with the boys? This is the best. This is the fucking best. I know, I'm so pumped. I remember listening to your episode on Spitting Chicklets, actually. And by the way, shout out the boys for these jerseys. We just did a sandbagger and a podcast with them. But I saw your interview on Spitting Chickles.

I was like, this dude's a fucking riot. Those guys are the best. I fucking love them. I love them. They're the grinders as well. They're the greatest. They fucking work. No issue. No two ways about it.

Look, the only way to be successful. Right. There's no other way to do it. Otherwise, everyone would be successful. people are not willing to work seven days a week 24 hours a day. They're really not. And there's no other way to do it. There's just not.

And go work for someone and deal with it. True. Thank you, brother. My phenomenal podcast. My pleasure. Thank you. Big hugs, ton of kisses. Yeah, that was awesome.

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