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Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Recorded: September 01, 2025 The Boys are back with another loaded episode. Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sit-down with Jason Kelce. From his days walking on at Cincinnati to when he realized the NFL was a real possibility, Jason takes us through the journey that led him to Philadelphia. He shares what it was like playing with Michael Vick, and why college football today feels like “selling your team.” He opens up on his retirement and why the right coach can truly change everything. Jason breaks down Andy Reid vs Nick Sirianni, and dives into his bond with Lane Johnson. The Boys also get into Jason’s rise of the New Heights podcast, and how Kylie’s podcast is exploding as well, plus Jason talks about what it was like welcoming Taylor Swift into the family. Big Hugs Tiny Kisses! TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro5:02 Bussin Programming Update12:38 College Football Recap12:40 Is Alabama Dead?27:13 Is Auburn Real?29:27 Tennessee May Be Okay36:13 Arch Manning Is Going To Be Fine1:05:50 Nebraska Didn’t Cover1:20:10 Bryce Underwood Is The Real Deal1:27:51 LSU Has A Squad1:31:17 South Carolina Fans Are Optimistic 1:44:56 True Classic GOONER Of The Month1:53:50 JASON KELCE INTERVIEW STARTS1:53:53 Nebraska v Cincy2:00:47 Walking On To Cincinnati2:09:53 When Was The NFL A Possibility? 2:14:28 Getting To Philly2:18:19 Chip Kelly Experience 2:24:46 Playing With Michael Vick2:27:28 College Football Is Now "Selling Your Team"2:34:11 Relationship With Howie Roseman2:44:43 When Was Retirement A Thought?2:50:46 The Right Coach Can Make All The Difference2:55:18 Andy Reid vs Nick Sirianni2:58:01 Big Dick Nick 3:00:33 Relationship With Lane Johnson3:02:26 Becoming A Leader3:07:04 New Heights Podcast3:11:04 The Rise Of His Parents Fame3:15:45 Kylie's Podcast "Not Gonna Lie"3:21:10 Welcoming Taylor Swift Into The Family3:24:48 Bud Light: What Would You Do Anything For?3:29:41 Beer Olympics?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll just give them. You'll have to get that cat that was wearing the 50s. in Jersey at Arrowhead that was just spanking my back. Yeah. Buddy, how is your back after the weekend? It's, you know, I had a couple lulls, but I'm feeling good today. Because when we got to Columbus, I heard you, it was like a fleeting comment as we're headed back from that amazing Italian spot we went to, Italian steakhouse.

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dive into the weekend housekeeping yes yes but I like to let's get the bad out of the way I think we need to get the bad out of the way Alabama the Crimson Tide I think Nick Save I don't know the exact stat but it's 200 and something games 230 230 games Nick Sabin was 230

30 and 4 against unranked teams at Alabama. DeBoer, he comes in. He's 10 and 4 against unranked teams. Garrett, I don't mean, this is not meant to cut deep, but is Alabama dead. This is the biggest headline coming out of college football. Yeah, this is the biggest headline coming out of college football. It's week one. If not Archmanning.

That's two. That's another one. We'll get to that. Yeah, yep. It's week one. I don't think we're dead. I think we have to look in the mirror and figure out what we want our identity to be. Because to your point, 230 and 4, we're paying for that right now.

Yeah. We're paying for that right now. Johnny Mansell said it. When you get off the bus at Alabama, it used to be feared. That's gone. So you've got to figure out what your new identity is and change it right now. If you don't beat the brakes off a ULM, Wisconsin kind of looks like a game now, when it shouldn't be. It's a home game, so you hope that you get it corrected.

in a weird way when I rewatched the game yesterday there's a few moments that if we just have better discipline and don't drop the football, I do think we find a way to win that game. But those are key moments that you have to have

and those are usually where Alabama succeeds. You catch the important ball, you make the tackle, you don't have a dumb penalty late. Discipline team. So what is your opinion or your thoughts on the effort shown in the game

because there are a lot of times where you see loafing happening 18 very uncharacteristic of an Alabama football team yeah for sure I think it starts there the effort is not there I watched every other game

the rest of the weekend and every team no matter what level of play they're at played way harder played way nastier and had way more swagger than we showed after that first drive even after the first drive

that we went down eight minutes 16 plays ended in seven. I saw like four people on the field celebrate together. Can't have that. Can't have it. Can't have that. Can't have it.

Efforts there. Chef and I talked about it this morning. That's the number one thing is effort. Do you want to fucking step on the field and represent the A? Or do you think that you just get to step on the field because you have the A on? Yeah, you don't, your program being that historic and have that much stuff going on for it. You have to uphold the culture and tradition. You can't just put the jersey on and expect to be great.

all of a sudden. You got you got to finish. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. They got to figure out what their identity is because it's clear that it's not the same. Even though you still have some guys that were in the locker room when Saban was there, they can't do it for everyone on the field. But you have to find your own identity because you get out physicaled. That's your bread and butter, has always been. So you got to find something else. That means no errors and scoring every time we have the fucking ball. Yeah. scoring every time he has balls. They showed up to fucking play.

Yeah. Hey, props to him. Tony White, both the quarter of, you got Gus on offense. Gus crushed it. Tony White on defense. Like, they came to fucking play, bro. Quarterback talking shit and backing it up. All their respect to them.

They don't have an answer for me. Said that in the spring. They came out and talk their talk, walk, walk. Thomas Costiano. I think Mike Norvel found himself a good situation in bringing in Gus. It takes a lot of pressure off of him. Because now you have two head coaches that have had some. success on your sideline.

Not only do you add your defensive coordinator who fucking schemed up a crazy game, but they have juice and they played like they wanted it and we did not do that. And that's what happens. Terrence Knight and the D-line coach, he tweets after the game, you all need to pick a fucking side. No, the tweet after the game was Gus. Felt like old times tonight. You were talking about how he set up that reverse four plays in advance.

Yeah, that drive where they had the reverse for the touchdown. three separate times or four separate times during that drive. They used a similar motion every time with the guard and tackle pulling to figure out what the eyes were going on. Because every time they would run that jet sweep across, safety would go up to the middle and then the other safety would come down. And then everybody would flow, the two linebackers would flow with the guard and tackle.

They saw it. They did it multiple times and they capitalized on it. I mean, it just... They got out played out, coached out, everything. Coming out of the college football world that I came into, it is so weird to see the Crimson Tide be outcoached. And it's very odd. It seems like you guys are just an thing where you guys like show up and expect to win

because of the logo at this point, which is not good. You have uncharacteristic drops. I think one highlight you see is Ty Simpson. His athletic ability is a little more than we all kind of thought, had the ability to get out of some stuff. People that think it's Ty's fault are just wrong. Yeah. Ty played a great game.

Ty maybe had like one throw that wasn't great, but he hit his targets. He extended play. plays. Right. And Jeremy Bernard was the only skill position player I saw give any effort. I know, man. I was, I was a little disappointed and Ryan Williams not showing up. Yeah. I mean, hopefully the injury and everything's all right. There was a part of me that thought he was tapping out there in the second half. I think he got a little shell shock for sure. Yeah. He got hit a couple times. You know, you don't ever want to say like, you wish you could have

a call, but do we think that that was targeting? I think it was iffy. I think that, it was probably the right. The one where Ryan went down? Yeah. I felt like it was more friendly fire than anything. Well, so I think Ryan got hit in the back and then it led to him get hit kind of high. I think it was the right call. But in that moment, that just adds to their momentum. Because Earl Little was an Alabama player transferred to Florida State. It made it personal. He made a personal all game. Yeah. Bro, it was a college football. And the big thing too is when you're in that, when you're in the meeting room, when you're in the locker room and the world is on fire right now

for the University of Alabama. But another thing that is going to be said is nobody gives a fuck about you guys being in disarray. The world, if anything, loves it. Yeah, yeah. Outside of Tuscaloosa. The best of the best for decades. And it's going to be, hey, we got to fix our shit.

And I promise you, no one is going to feel sorry for you. Because nobody does. Everybody's like celebrating. That's what I'm saying. That 230 and 4, you're paying for it now. Yep. 2.30 and 4. I mean, if you're born... Could be a different error for you, G.

One that you're not as used to. Could be. Or we could nip it in the butt. True. And get corrected. One thing that's always said, you're never as good as they say you are, and it's never as bad as they say you are. That is... Especially after week one. Yeah.

Especially after week or we can be as good as we want to be. Yeah. And you got figured out. I was, uh, I was bookmarking a couple, a couple tweets out there of Bama just losing their minds. Oh, it's bad. Is it burning up right now? Yeah.

That's the one I got. Bear Bryant's burner. one of our largest boosters sent this to me. Take this as you will. And it says spent time around the team hotel for 25 plus years. And I will tell you, DeBor's tenure is much closer to Shula than Sabin. Players are walking around at 1 to 1.30 in the morning, getting door dashed deliveries of fast food the night before games. I've seen players with random friends coming in and out of the hotel until 2 a.m.

They couldn't get organized to leave the team hotel on time without confusion. As soon as I was around this, I could not get it out of my head because you could see it was an organization that. That looks second class by the way it was run. Since witnessing that last year, I have held hope, but my eyes, brain, and gut all told me this is going to be bad when being around it. That was one. Then you got another one where it seems like this dad, Ricky Green, he's got his son. For those that don't know it, I have a D1 prospect that's centering my son, Andrew Duggan.

It's really sad to have to question whether or not I'd send him to Alabama to continue his athletic academic journey. Should he have that opportunity? never would have thought I'd have to question that as a or never, he kind of broke it in the two tweets, never would have thought

I'd have to question that as a father. I was born into the world with crimson in my veins in the current situation at UA is abysmal. Yeah, I mean, if, if those things are...

The craziest thing about that is the dad being like, I have a D1 prospect son and if they were to offer, I think to myself probably not. Yeah, that's so fucking... That is wild. If the hotel thing is true

that sucks. But that booster, he could have some power and change that really quick. You can't change that as a, I mean, as a booster, you're not sitting there. He's the night watch.

He's the night watch. Yeah. He's got the hope. He's like, let me see how the organization is run. Just sitting in a Lincoln town car across the street with tinted windows of his glasses.

Binoculars are like, private investigators. Taco Bell, you kidding me right now? Yeah, that's bad, man. Oh, yeah. I mean, if you do want laughs after a Bama loss, the internet is the place to be. Yeah, I don't I think I mean obviously I think you guys are two and one

Who do you guys play that fourth game who's your next big game? We have Georgia after a buy So that I mean that's that's a judgment day for you guys chef can you go check that You have you LM? You have ULM next week and then Wisconsin you said right Wisconsin by Georgia Speaking of door to ask your food tier yeah yeah yeah Yeah well-compton part of the bad culture Alabama ma'am I ordered that you've got you a booster Can't fix that money can't fix that it's culture coaching. Like, DeBoer, it's great to be the new age coach who, you know, lets his guys be who they

want to be. Similar to Kenny Dillingham, he lets his guy see what they want on the podium. They can go out and act however they want as long as they produce on the field. But when you have an Alabama team who comes from like your shirts tucked in, you don't get the flags, laundry on the field is nothing that's ever going to happen in Crimson Tide, a team that walks off, they pass the bus check like, holy shit, these are some big boys. And then also they're going to play disciplined football with high effort. that is what you want to see

if you're a Crimson Tide fan if you're born in a garden baby you're never going to understand the value of a flower so it's time for you boys have figured it out in a big way yeah it's tough because you go from obviously having a coach

that would mother fuck anybody for anything tying their shoe wrong he's got to figure out a way to motherfuck these boys or someone's going to mother fuck him yeah I think it's also as much important for the player leadership as it is for the coach because DeBore could flip a switch and do his thing culture-wise.

But if the players, if this is not a player-led team, this is a roster littered with five-star athletes and talent everywhere, a lot of individual mindsets. The worst part of thinking on how bad this could be is you have a lot of guys who like play for themselves and they might just think, I'm going to bounce and go somewhere else. You've seen other guys do. Guys go to, you know, guys go to Florida State, guys go to Syracuse, guys go to Nebraska, guys go to Michigan. They'll hit the portal and go somewhere else.

But if this is not a tight, this is not a player-led team, I could see it getting very bad, very fast. You watch those old teams and your lineback and core with Ruben Foster, Ryan Anderson, and Tim Williams, they would never let this shit fly.

You got to fear the guy next to you, and they got to figure out how to do that. Yeah. Yeah. They need be some player team meetings. Oh, yeah. This week. Yeah.

Because I'm telling you if guys are going home saying, what the fuck was that, man? We should have, coach should have called it. Right. It's going to get. You're lost. That's going to snowball. Right.

I like would hate, I hate to like call out a single person, but the clip that went viral of 18's effort on that end around, if he is on the field on Saturday, I will be fucking furious. Bama Twitter. Because he's leading the charge of Bama Twitter right now. It proves the point.

I see this man on the, if I see this boy on the. If he's on the field, he doesn't deserve the right. Proves the point. Maybe we don't need a white safety back there. Whoa, whoa. We don't need a white safety back there? Maybe we don't.

They're making a comeback. White DB's making a comeback now. Gee, you're emotional right now, and I understand why. I'm going to be optimistic. Let me see him real quick. Click his profile. Bray Hubbard. Oh, no, Bray.

Which is crazy. He had a great year last year. Bray Hubbard. That was a problem. That is the problem. Yeah, he drank his own Kool-Aid. He had a good year last year. They got to correct it and go win the rest of them.

Yeah, maybe you don't dress him against you old Monroe. Maybe say, hey, sit this one out. Maybe I'll dress. Yeah, put him in a cheerleading outfit. Be like, see what you want. You can cheer the team on. Maybe get ready for Wisconsin next week. With, hey, with everybody selling the Bama stock,

are you buying it? Are you buying the stock? You buying them low because you think they're going to turn it around and get right? It's a great question. I mean. You know after this week. I don't think you know after this week. I don't think you know it for the week after that.

I mean, I think Wisconsin, they're a team that's trying to re-figure out their identity. U.L. Monroe, if that game's close, it's like you got to continue to sell the stock. Like, you've got to now, you got American History X, make them bite the curb. Yeah. Like, it's Georgia, Georgia, Bama. That's the game and we're going to find out what's Alabama really all about. They have in Georgia. They have a juggerna out of his schedule.

Yeah. I'm personally seeing four or five Ls on this. schedule after seeing them against Florida. And this is week one, the perfect time to overreact if you're a person that's breaking down the best time over. It's the best part of college football. It is the best time to over it. But once we get to the archmanning conversation, I'm flipping the script a little bit.

Yeah, I agree with the whale. Like Georgia, you can see that being out. Vanderbilt. You can see that being out. It seems like the kryptonite of Alabama is a mobile quarterback. Diego Pavia might go two for two. Mizzu's always tough. Mizzu's always tough.

Tennessee. I mean, Joey Aguagler, you see him. tossing a ball around the yard. DeValls got an offense. The balls are good. South Carolina, like you have a Heisman trophy candidate at the quarterback position and a defense that gets to fuck after. Number zero, that linebacker. We were talking about it, JP.

Like, he's a stud. LSU, they're one and O for the first time since 2019. That's a team that you're like, fuck, man. Oklahoma. Oklahoma. We'll find out who Oklahoma is this week. We're going to find out who Oklahoma is. We're going to find out

who Michigan is this week in Norman. And then he got, you know, Auburn, it's like, I think that I think the consensus coming out of Auburn is like that Arnold kid, like you can't be running around like that over the field and expect to be healthy come November 23rd. Or what is that? When Auburn, the formula is make the, you got to make Arnold beat you with his arm. Yeah. Which is, you know, anytime you can see a place of being one dimensional, it's going to, the favor goes in the opposite team. Right. But I'm saying like what I mean when I'm saying that is like in the first quarter, I'm watching that game and you hear about. about the confidence of Jackson Arnold,

and where's he gonna be at Minnell? He got benched at OU. And even in the first quarter, like on the broadcaster, like Hugh Freeze told us before the game, if he can just get Jackson to start off three or five, he'll be happy. And I'm just thinking, man, is it such a question mark on this kid's confidence?

And then as I'm watching the game and seeing him run, whether it's the design runs or him back in the pocket and run around, he's got legs on him. But if you're in a defensive meeting about to play Auburn, it's a, hey, this kid's not going to beat us with his arm. Right.

You lick him a couple times. You eliminate his legs. What's the old saying? You chop off the head, the body will follow. Yeah. That's like the mentality that I kind of see when watching Arbor. I think they got a lot of talent. They got a good team.

It's all going to come down to Ken Jackson Arnold throw the ball because when you're playing good quality football teams, when you're playing good quality football teams, those defense is going to be like, hey, these guys don't have a shot if we just eliminate Jackson Arnold running the football. Right. Good thing. that's the last game of the year.

So hopefully we can... Last game of the year, then records... Yeah, I'm talking over just getting in any play. Like, it's a really good competition. I mean, yeah,

on the other hand, like if Jackson Arnold can figure out way to throw the ball, be the five-star recruit he was, and people saw a little glimpses of at Oklahoma like he could be, he could bring Auburn back because they have a hell of a wide receiver room.

They got a lot of good talent. A lot of good talent. So, I mean, it's up in the air. We'll find out in a couple weeks, but until then, Alabama and the fan base have to kind of sit and stewing in a little bit

because it's a tough place in right now, all that success for the past 20 plus years. It's like, is it going to go away? Are you going to become like a middle of the pack team? Because there's a lot of other teams in the SEC that are gathering stock. South Carolina's a team we've already mentioned a couple times. But like, there's some schools out there that are willing to press for that top three team, Tennessee, Tennessee.

Tennessee had a good show against Syracuse. Look, hand up, Jackie. I was wrong about the covering. I said you guys would win the game. I just 13 and a half points felt like Fran Brown. And the crazy part is, Jack, When we were at, I was just going to bring it up. When we were at Ohio State watching the Ohio State Texas game,

we're sitting in that stadium and I'm just getting sunburned on one side of my body. But the score, the scoreboard, you didn't. I was still on the side. Dude, when I got home, it was literally one side of my face. Oh, for real? I was burned on the side of my neck and this whole weekend. When we were in Kansas City, Will was like, I'm catching too much sun on my face. And then even during the game and now we're sitting on a bus three days later,

like the sunburn has been at front of mind thought for you, for the last 72 hours. But the scoreboard in the Ohio State game had Syracuse beating you guys all the way up until halftime, I believe. It was like 24-21 on the broadcast, on the little side. I'm like, I'm telling Taylor,

I'm like, you know Jackson, hell right now. First thing, Will and Taylor said when they get to me and JP, they kind of got these shit-eating grins on their face, like, hey, man, you're okay? Because I bet Tennessee. And I was like, I was like, dude, yeah, this is a good day. I yelled from far away.

I like Fran Brown. Yeah. Because when I walk out of the stadium, it was 27, 20. And I was like, hell yeah, dude, they're getting fucking mopped right now. I was like, what's going on with the defense? You're like, we're playing pretty good. Yeah.

What? But yeah, super inspiring week for the balls, especially with a lot of chatter on the offseason. We had a horrible indoor season in the shoe where we were. And we got willed by them and we lost so many players on our offense, four of our five. Line men gone. Dylan Samson, you know, SEC player of the year, gone. Most productive receivers. Yeah, productive receivers.

James Pierce Jr. I mean, on all sides of the ball, you have all these key players that are gone, and it's very easy. Similar on the Bama talk, even though Tennessee has not had the production even close in the last two decades, what Bama has.

It is very easy to hate and doubt Tennessee because we have a very strong-headed fan base. No matter if we are the last Nessie or the first, our fans still ride like we're the first. So I understand when people want to spend a narrative, like, oh, this is going to be a lag year. You guys lost Nico. You should have paid him.

Hey, Nico, you fucked up, dude. You fucked up. How fun is it playing at UCLA with that empty-ass stadium getting your ass? Easy Jack. Easy Jack. How fun is it, man? Anyways, it's really, it's awesome to see Joe Aguilar. Joe Yaggar might not be pound for pound a better quarterback than Nico is, but for our

offensive scheme, Joe Aguilar played his ass off. He had one laps on a fumble. There's a little, some. accuracy issues that will be worked on. It's week one. But it seems like he was just so poised and calm. The whole game from the first series that he played, there was never like a moment of shakiness or like, hey, let me, let me try and do something that's out of my wheelhouse. But I just like the whole Tennessee team played really well. And our running backs, I think that was such a big thing for Vals fans is when you lose Dylan Samson, you don't know

what's going to happen. And we have three running backs that truly can all do it. And so, yeah, it was fun. Obviously, it's Syracuse, so, like, you try not to get too far ahead of yourself. But Syracuse also look decent. We've got things to work on our defensive front for sure. They went 10 and 3 last year. I mean, it's – yeah, they were 10 and 4. Again, I was big on – I still am.

Like, I think Fran Brown's a really good head football coach. So it's going to – it's not like, hey, it's just Syracuse. I know, like, people who are casuals, they just see the logo Syracuse thing. This isn't a big win. Like, you still had an opponent that you had to line up across that was going to play. good disciplined football as well as they could. They do got a lot of transfers and everything else. But Fran Brown's a good head coach.

Yeah. We play ETSU this week. First home opener, 230. That should be a pretty standard game. See, now that one, it's like,

yeah, that's a knockdown. Like, if you don't beat them by 40 plus, then you're like, okay, maybe last week was just kind of a something. See,

I disagree. I mean, you got such a big game next week the following week. Yeah, Georgia is huge. It's one of those things. We're like, keep it vanilla. Keep it basic.

Run the ball. like work on fundamentals and just like you know like you've got the talent to kind of like east Tennessee state was that FC was that D1AA go bucks I tell you what though don't sleep on it there was a year there I don't want to see one of our years I feel like we we had a game like this every year when I was at Nebraska but it was South Dakota State we beat them just 13 to seven and we got so kind of nice yeah but at this time we're talking like they shouldn't have been on the same field is all I'm saying is you Like you don't want to be so focused on Georgia that you have a down week because you just as a player you get we got so motherfucked after that game

It's easy to happen you want to play you want to play you know like their Super Bowl. They're celebrating that they lost 13 to 7 Don't give any don't show Georgia anything more than you showed them against Syracuse like play like show hey boys How do we put together quality 60 minutes where it's like we're running the clock we can show we have the run game You know work on our fits like and then but like during the week like yeah you need a you obviously nothing's ever guaranteed in college football have a couple of Georgia periods in the beginning of the week. Hey, this is what they're going to show us next week. Maybe get a couple of guys.

I mean, I hate to put that on East Tennessee State, but you know, you guys have shown like, hey, maybe Tennessee can be something this year in the SEC when you guys were having so much distraction and so many things going on with your quarterback situation during the off season. It's like you guys got waxed against Ohio State. Then Nico wants to leave.

There's a money issue. Hypo shows his stones by saying we're not dealing with that with the culture here. You do a switch at UCLA. And it seems like you guys have, won the trade essentially. Oh, you look at that break of objectively. Yeah. That obviously that could change next week.

You know, there, I just hope that the message going into the clubhouse this week is that we're oh and oh. Like it's every week, just oh and oh, like just beat the team that you're playing on Saturday. So it's very, uh, it's positive feelings right now. It's just nice to wake up on a Monday and not just have so much anger in your heart. Yeah, yeah. That's good to know that your mental health is in a good spot. Yeah.

Especially leading up to Tennessee versus Denver this way. And that's what I was going to say, you know, this is the one week where we don't have Titans football where like I get one night maybe to be have fun, you know, throw some tweets out there, have a drink or two, and then wake up on Sunday and just get your dick kicked in. So hopefully not this year. It will be interesting playing a mile high. Cam Ward. It's a scary place for a rookie to go and have his first debut game. But also the perfect place to really make a statement. So hopefully, yeah.

I don't hate it. I don't hate the optimism. I don't. We'll see. We'll see. Bo Nix though, Sean, I mean, also something I do while we're kind of on the topic of Ohio State, Texas,

do we want to talk about the scenario that we were in with a certain somebody on this bus that had the opportunity to be boots on the ground in his quote unquote home team, but chooses not to go to the shoe or even to it just to dab up the fan. be in the mix. Is that something we want to cover now or should we just maybe? I think it's a great transition to the next game. Yeah, Ohio State versus Texas. So some context is what Jack's saying here. We came across, how do we say this? We're in Kansas City. We came across a glitch in the system to where Mitch could come to the Ohio State Texas game. Mitch, people who are tier ones and people who understand our guys on Bustin with the

boys. Mitch Carsley has been labeled a casual Ohio State fan. And anytime he has an opportunity to kind of quiet that crowd and quiet those haters, he fails to do so. In the most recent example coming over this past week, he didn't have his real ID. By the way, shout out Fly House. We got to fly private with Fly House. They were phenomenal. But Mitch is sitting there and I, they had to fly commercial back to Nashville. And he's like, hey, do you think, think I'm going to be able to get on this plane if I don't have a real idea and he doesn't have his passport. He had a picture of his passport. I'm telling him he should call the airline to, you know, kind of get out ahead of it, see what they can do. He should be able to get on the

flight. However, hey, bro, you could just come with us to Ohio State because what we were learning when we were going to Ohio State is we didn't know if we'd get all the boys in, Jack and JP. We knew we were credentialed to get on the game pregame, but we did not have credentials for Jack and JP. We ended up fizzling our way in. That vlog's going to be coming out soon. and it was a great time. But Jack and JP were basically going to, we were going to be in the game. Jack and JP,

we were just going to go watch the games at a bar. So we were telling Mitch, hey, bro, you don't have a whole lot going on. You could fly with us on the plane to go watch Ohio State versus Texas. 1V2, Arch Maining, all of it, defending national champions,

Lee Corso's final game, college football history. See your Natty being unveiled the banner, all of it. You can come with us. to Ohio State and then just go watch the games at the bar with Jack and JP. Mitch, you have that opportunity. Do you want to take it?

The haters are saying you're casual. Here's where you buy in to be in an Ohio State Buckeye for real with that big ass head. He says no. He wants to go home to watch the game back in Nashville. Right. Can I say something before Mitch speaks? Go ahead. I went to go pack my bag.

I came back and walked into this situation. was not given all of that information with the real ID putting in the context it's college game day it is his team and I kind of took Mitch's side for a little bit

and I was sitting here planning to take the side but after the way you painted the picture that way it's hard for me to lean there and still sit behind Mitch and be like that was a good move for every fan out there listening that loves their team because people tuned in all across the country

that love their college football team if you had the opportunity to fly on a PJ to go to college game day for your team and to witness a historic day Lee Corso's final like that's not a sleeper

that's not a sleeper thing either it's not you get to see them in person wearing a tucks and we're gonna fly back that same day we're gonna fly back that same day so you can be at home and watch some of these games

in nighttime yeah would you take it as a fan they're probably screaming at their phone or TV if they're in there if they are in their living room Now, by the way, if you're watching, make sure you're subscribe.

They're probably screaming at Mitch. Like this dude, how is he with busting with the boys? It breaks my heart the way you're explaining it this way because I know there's a gentleman or a lady that's in their pickup truck right now, driving to work, wishing they had the opportunity to have Mitch Carsley's job. And they're, we're here to give people a good time when they listen to this show. And right now they're not having a good time listening to that. They tune in to us knowing like these guys are fans of college football, NFL football.

They love ball. Love ball. And they have homers all across the board. Yeah. And what I would do just to run the production of busson and turn down the option of flying on a PJ and go seeing your favorite team play? And the biggest opening weekend game in possibly college football history? Yeah.

Like, hey, how is our defense going to be this year? We got Justin, was it Justin Sagan? Julian Sagan. That's the quarterback. Julian Sane. We got Julian, what's he going to be like that? You got Jeremiah Smith. You got Matt Patricia, who three.

time Super Bowl champion coming to be in our DC. Everyone keeps talking about the longhorns. Matthew McConae is going to be there. I think we're going to beat their ass. You don't want to go watch your team in the shoe. And it was loud. Loud. Can I speak down?

Nate's the floor is yours, my friend. So what you failed to say is that it was a bit of a deal trying to get credentialed to go into this game. Not only for us, but for you guys as well. True. A bit of a deal.

during the week, sorry, that chaps my ass. I know, but the deal was solved. Deal with the chap. Let him speak. Let him, yeah. Old chief ain't bad right now. Okay. And you, and from my... I'm hopped up on form energy, I'm sorry.

And you guys were still trying to get JP and Jack credentialed so that they could go into the game and they could capture the content and stuff and do the whole, like, fall to ordeal that we typically do. So from my understanding, you guys were still trying to get them credentialed. And in my head, I'm like, It's already been a deal for, let alone them to, for you two to get credentialed. There's no way we can add a third person.

I do not, I do not want to go to Columbus and go sit at a bar by myself. And I'm not the biggest people person. I'm not going to talk to random people and just like make friends with them. Because I, I'm just not outgoing. And so in my head, I'm like, I would rather not just sit. at a bar by myself, I would rather go home and sit with my friends and watch the game. Do you know how many new iPhones are going to be bought this week? Because they are breaking theirs right now. Listen to you say with my boys, if they get into the game, I am choosing

not to fly private, go to the biggest game in week one, go to see the unveiling. Week one history, yeah. Week one history, not see the unveiling of the national title, not see the juice that's in that home stadium, not see Lee Corso make his final pick, not see any of it. I'm not going to do that and go just watch at a bar by myself in the college town surrounded by all of my types of people because we love the Buckeyes. You're saying you're not going to do that. That was your worst case scenario. Yeah. Worst case scenario and him saying your biggest thing was we didn't know if we were going to get credentialed already figured out. I know that chapter asked. Didn't know if Jack and JP were to be credentialed. They already knew

it was probably a hard sell. But then you have the real ID issue. You're just talking about you got all the passport, we have a picture of the passport, and you go, I don't know if it's a good move to go. Your boss says, why not just come with us? And you chose to say no to that.

Yeah. For the, for the actual tier one fans, JP, are you making a move like that? Are you going to South Carolina if they're ranked number one? I don't even need to say

ranked number one in the country. Yeah, I mean, I drove three. When we got back. Texas is one. JP drove to Atlanta to go watch the game. But I think the, Mitch, what they're wanting to find out is,

are you officially ready to say, are you a casual fan or are you a Tier 1 fan? That's where they're trying to get out of. I think we had this conversation, I'm pretty sure, on camera. Like, I, it is well known and I accept the fact that I am not a Tier 1 fan like G. No, no, no, no, Mitch. Say, I am a casual House Day fan. If you let me finish speaking, G is a Tier 1st,

Tier 1 Alabama fan. Let him talk. Is a South Carolina tier one fan. Jack, tier one fan. Jeff, tier one fan. I'm not like that. So yes, I would fall under the category of being a casual. I am a casual Ohio State fan.

That's what I just. That's all you want. That's all I need. All is forgiven down in your head. I am a casual Ohio State fan. Right. Like not there, this. I'm not there.

I'm not, no, just say, just say what you are. I enjoy watching, like I just love watching college football. And then the T. that I pull for is Ohio State. Like, it's not like Ohio State ride or die. If Ohio State loses, my week is not ruined. I'm bummed out for a couple hours and, like, that's football. Like, that was a, I'm pissed if, like, they lose to Michigan because obviously it's the biggest game of the year.

But, like, when we, I mean, sports. Like, we went to Michigan two years ago. Two years ago. And I was bummed out, but I wasn't like, what the fuck, dude? Like, I wasn't drinking a 40 at the hotel. Like, some people have. on this bus before like I'm not I have never I he's kind of cooking right now though I've never been I've never been that fan because like I don't not that I don't

not like why it's just like I'm not like wired that way and like I I love you're saying we're weird now there's nothing wrong with it but I'm just not somebody that like I'm not going to let it this sounds really weird but I'm not going to let a group of 18 year olds ruin my week like it's just I love real mature you Mitch Very mature of you, Mitch. I love watching college football. I can say I love Ohio State, but I'm not going to be like, obviously, like these guys or like you guys. Like, yes, I feel like this has been established.

You just wanted me to say I am a casual high. Because at times you have thought that you are a big Ohio State fan. I have never said that I'm on your guys' level. You've tried to fight into it at times. My mom's got an AJ Hawk jersey. I got to get, you know. I mean, like, I've been an Ohio State fan since. I think Mitch,

Mitch, it gets defensive when we just completely take away the fact that he's a fan. Yeah, like that's the part, that's the part where I push back because I am the fan of Ohio State and I've been a fan of Ohio State

since I was like six or seven years old, but I'm not like, I'm not going to get the Block O tattoo on me or anything like that. Look, it's not that serious. It's not even that deep. This is week one. This is week one.

Tuesday morning, you guys are listening to this show. It's overreaction week. Will is Arch Manning dead? Is Texas dead? No, no, no, no. Couldn't agree more. He had a bad game.

He had a bad game. And that's going to happen. He's going to get stuff cleaned up. I love seeing him the post game presser. He's taken. It starts with me. It starts with me. I don't think Arch Manning's dead whatsoever.

I think he's going to be a very good quarterback. I think he, I think we, it was so popular to kind of shit on the outing that he had because we all, everybody put him on this pedestal of Heisman front runner. all these things, which was a very unfair thing to have happened. But I think we're losing a sight of how well the Ohio State defense was. I thought their secondary was very good. Yeah. Their defense in total.

They were plastered all over the receivers. You said three times Super Bowl champ that has your defensive coordinator. Right. And I think that's something that was so overlooked by us in the locker room through the conversations throughout the week is Matt Patricia. It's like when we would go play the Patriots and Matt Patricia was the D.C., it was, hey, what is the roll of decks of defense going to be? Hey, we're going to have to find out what they're giving us today before we could have a true solid game plan of how we want to attack their defense.

And if you are a coaching staff who has not really seen that where they have the ability to bring seven guys in line, make it seem like it's zero. Now they're dropping in a very unique way. They're moving safeties as the snaps happening as opposed to, you know, with 15 seconds left on the clock before they snap the ball, where they're not giving you a very clear picture. Matt Patricia, he deserves so much credit. Those players obviously did an incredible.

job of taking his game plan, making it come to life. But Archman, you can tell early, he was holding the hold on the ball for a long time. A lot of question marks around Texas's offensive line. I think for the most part, they held up. They did a great job. But he didn't use his legs. I think that was a design thing early in the game. I say, don't take a lot of hits, holding the ball, get it out.

And I think by the time we got to the point where Archmanning should have started throwing the ball a little bit more, that's when it was a little too late for him mentally. Matt Patricia threw so many different varieties of defense. offenses at him. Any team that goes into Columbus week one with Matt Patricia as the first year DC, I think runs it the same exact issue. You're going to run in this. It doesn't matter if there's a better team out there, you're going to run to the same

issue because there's no film to show what Matt Patricia is going to do with his team just yet. People are going to find answers as they get down, get a little farther down the road. But that is a tough load for even a kid with the last name that he has, with being the number one overall recruit, with everybody in Texas saying, we want him when you had a quarterback that is in the NFL now starting ahead of him, I think Arch Manning is going to be just fine. And I think he's going to, we're going to get halfway through the year. And I think we're going to have Texas and Ohio State are going to see each other again. We looked over the fact that

Matt Patricia is used to, you know, drawn up game plans for winning Super Bowls, game planning against Peyton Manning, George. Burrow, Ben Rothesberger, all these elite quarterbacks that he has a roster to where Texas is a very good roster too, but you have like the best players in the country like Caleb Downs. We talk about Dylan Stewart being like the best defender in the country. Caleb Downs is one of if not the best defensive player or player. If Stewart's 1A, Downs is 1B. Yes.

Yeah. Or you could even flip that. You could flip it. Like they talk about his first team all American. His level of IQ and even in the NFL in college football, there's more glaring tendency football happening. Yes. Based on formations, personnel, situations.

NFL is way hard. to figure out the schematics of everything because there's so many details and so many iterations where you're doing self-scouting, you're playing a lot of the same teams. In college, like, it's a little bit more watered down to where you have more of a, you have more a laser focus on certain tendencies happening. Matt Patricia, he's a bona fide defensive coordinator. He's got talent everywhere. And he comes from a philosophy where you take away the best players, you take away the things that they're wanting to do. Oh, Hase did a very good job of that. they have freaks at every level of defense.

They're going to be a very good football team this year. Yeah. I think it had more to do with how well the Ohio State defense was, filling their gaps or filling their holes from last year, have a new guy step up. Again, this is a roster that reloads every year because of how good their recruiting classes are. So everybody was kind of questioning that again.

We were all, I was the same too. You're super high on Arch Manning. You're super high on the, oh, this is the guy. Sark said this is what he's been building towards. So you drink that Kool-Aid butt. But I think Ohio State's defense is fucking really good. And I think Arch Manning just came into the one of the tough, arguably the toughest environment to play in on week one. Everything going on.

You're going against this Ohio State defense. Who just won a national championship. Everyone's juiced up ready to go. It's his team finally. And I think he had a bad game. He missed some throws. People are talking about mechanics and this, that he was an inaccurate quarterback. But I think this is a kid that will, he has the mental in between his ears to where he's,

going to be able to look at it. Again, you're never as bad as they say you are. You're never as good. You put your head down and you get back to work. I think he's going to be just fine. But Ohio State was the better team. It could have, you know, they were talking about the failed fourth down attempts on Texas aside. Two of them. There were times where that game could have been flipped and Texas could have been in the league. Right. And who knows with momentum change how that stuff starts to go. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with a younger defense, a lot of first time stars on the Ohio State. It's like if the momentum starts to swing the other way, does you start to, do you start to see cracks where guys start to press a little too much,

maybe they're not as gaps out as they did seem to be because they were in a controlling position the entire game, regardless of what the score says. I mean, they were, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. I mean, they failed the fourth down. The sneak,

yeah. But like, that drive was going to tie the game. So, I mean, it's like, even with, I think the arch hate right now is ridiculous.

Arch hate, it's so easy to do, but this is, this is what week one is, dude. Everyone's going to overreact in a positive way and especially in a negative way. I mean, you've seen the Shadir narrative get lumped in with the art stuff just to go beyond and hate and do all. Like that's, it's beyond psychotic on the internet.

But this is not one to where I'm hitting the panic button whatsoever. I think he's going to be just fine. Big bounce back. Can we pull up their schedule? And I don't want to say Justin saying again. What is it? Julian insane. Julian insane.

He played a good game. He played good enough for his team to win. Yeah. For his first start going out there in Texas is good too. Like, again, this is a team that they'll probably see each other again in the college football play. If Jeremiah Smith had a couple drops, so obviously he'll lock in and get that stuff. But, I mean, yeah, he did what he had to do. Like, wasn't making, he didn't lose the game.

Right. Yeah, he didn't lose the game for him. One thing to keep an eye on, though, is Jeremiah Smith. Well, someone said it was after the first drive, he's screaming at Julian Sand a little bit. He was when he wants the ball, he wants it. And then the following drive has the two drops he talked about. had one drop last year. It's one of those things, man,

where you've got to feed this kid and feed him earlier. Like he knows he's a star. You want this in your wide receiver where they kind of have, it can come off as selfish, but it's true, true being a competitor.

I want to have a team on my back. I want to be the guy that's going to score the touchdowns for my team. So got to feed him. You got to feed the beast. You got to give him a little, you got to make the sacrificial limb.

You got to bring it out there to the gods every once in a while. With the player as good as he is, like there's obviously scheming plays up for him. And I think the reason, like that one, play that you're talking about, that was a deep ball schemed up for him. Yeah. And Julian just

checked it down instead. So like that's why he's pissed. He's like, all right, this is my play. Yeah. This ball should be and is coming to me and it didn't. So that's why he... One thing that's not playing in Texas's favor and Archmanning getting getting back on, yeah, getting back on the horse is they got Sam Houston this

week or that's September 20th. Can you pull up a little bit? Go up a little bit. Yeah, UTAP, Sam Houston. No, and then you go... San Jose State. San Jose State. U-TEP, Houston. So you got your three in one right there. But then your next game is also a way in Florida.

Tough. Tough. With a quarterback lagway went off this week. Florida's feeling, they're feeling a little frisky right there in the SEC. They're hanging out there. Yeah. They're hanging out down there with a bunch of, you know, prehistoric beasts, like getting ready to get after it. I think the SEC's wide open.

I think the SEC is wide open. You look at Florida. You look at Texas. You look at Oklahoma with John Mateer. Yeah. Vanderbilt looking spicy. Again, we'll see what happens with Alabama. You got South Carolina, you got Tennessee.

You got Georgia. I hadn't even mentioned Georgia yet. Right. But I think SEC is going to be fun this year. Georgia, they play Tennessee in two weeks, right? We just went over that. And it's at home. Like, that's a good way to start off your season.

Yeah. It's a good way. A couple cupcakes. You get SEC play with a VALS fan base. That's very excited, but it's at your home turf. It's going to be fun to watch the SEC this year. A&M. Yeah.

A&M, which A&M had some struggles. They did. Had some struggles. They did. But it is week one. You love buying into the overreaction of week one because it's fun, but again, it is week one. You look at A&M and it's like, what are they going to be in South Bend, Indiana this next week? Like C.J. Carr, I think he showed a lot of things.

We were like, oh, I mean, threw for two touchdowns. I was surprised with the O line of Notre Dame. Oh, Notre Dame, man. Or more, like, surprised with the old line. maybe they'll get, I'm sure they'll get back on track, but surprising how well the D-line for Miami played and got after their ass. I'm talking about winning one-on-one battles, getting pressure without having to send pressure.

Yeah, just rushing four the entire time. And it's like, is Miami's defense that good or is the offensive line that big of a question mark for Notre Dame? Because when you look at logos, you think of specific things, right? You look at Alabama, Nick Sabins, Alabama, you think, oh, it's a national champion. That's a team you have to worry about every single game with a discipline and all that. You look at Notre Dame, at the very least, you're going to have a sound defense and an outstanding offensive line.

You guys come out of there like Zach Martin, Quillian Nelson, not even really getting all the touches. Not even really getting touches. Now, is that an injury thing that was going on? Because they moved him on the slant. They tried to use him as a passing threat. And he got loose a couple of times. He had himself a nice, I think it was a catch or a big run that got called back

by a tight end hold. He bounced it off to the left side in the red zone. So it was a run. But man, you got to get back on track with Jeremiah I love. Especially, I mean, that was my Heisman pick. And it's not looking good right now. Carson Beck's got some receivers that can snag it. Buddy.

Was that that Tony kid? Yeah, Malachi Tony. He can do it all. They had him cooking them up. You're top 15 plays as an OC. You're like, how do we get on a good start right now? Seven of those top 15 plays, we're going to Malachi Tony. Then he's returning punts.

He's returning kickoffs. Like, they looked at this kid. He might have been the best kept secret in college football. Like this kid is a... CJ Daniel with that snack. Yeah, he got them dick, Reds two from Florida Speed Demon

He's like a little He's like a little Tyreek Hill out there I mean that number 10 doesn't Don't hurt all but this kid is Impressive and Carson Beck To like Carson Beck played very well And I loved his post game His post game where he's sitting on the field

Doing an interview You just tell he's just talking about the adversity He's been through Fired up for him I thought he played his ass on. Yeah yeah Science a lot of people you saw he was emotional And his post game

On the field still with the reporter he's like had a hard time even getting his words out because he obviously he's heard the noise he heard how people talked about him at georgia was an issue then you start to watch the game and the commentators start talking well was it carson beck at georgia or was it his receivers having a bunch of drops at georgia maybe carson beck is who we originally thought he was right so that's exciting man it's exciting for florida uh sorry florida miami uh the acc is another juicy little league too with florida state the upset stalled the florida schools in general florida Florida State, Miami.

Yeah. Yeah. We got a year. College football, man. College football. It's already in full force. It's in midseason form already. Do we dive into our teams?

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It's not even close, right? It doesn't matter. I know people argue the baby goat of Patrick Mahomes. It does not matter what Mahomes does the rest of, of his career. If he does not go to another team and win with another head coach, he cannot cement himself as the greatest football time. Not to mention he lost in a,

when they dueled it out, Tom Brady with the Tampa Bay Buckinghamers. Twice. New coach, new head coach, beat Patrick. Lost him when Tom Brady was at the Patriots, lost to him when Tom Brady was at the Buccaneers.

Yeah. So I, I don't, subscribe to that. You don't subscribe to that? I think Pat Mahomes could become the goat. Absolutely. Elite,

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But talking like that is not going to be him friend of the show. He'll become enemy of the show. Yeah. And we don't want that. I didn't think about that. But as of right now, you can do it, Pat. As of right now, you've got to say Tom Brady. I may disagree a little bit.

If we're talking solely best NFL football player. of all time of all time football player can play the game of football the sport of football I don't know how it wouldn't be Tayson Hill oh the Mormon missile

and shout out my guy Cam Jensen in this argument too because he always argues for Tayson Hill the NFL has never seen somebody play so many positions before because there's no athlete out there that's capable of it quarterback tight end

full back running back special teams kick return or punt return And he's had a couple of snaps of wide receiver as well. Wide receiver. He pulled him out in the slot, all of a sudden, boom. If we're talking strictly football, I don't know if anybody has ever been able to do more than Taysam Hill.

Initial animal brain reaction, don't hate the argument. Don't hate it at all. Don't hate the argument. Something for people to chew on as they watch the rest of our episode. So what you're saying is take the rings out of it. We're talking about solely playing the game of football. Greatest football player of all time. Backyard football.

You got to draft. the guy. I'm taking Taysam Hill. Backyard football, you're taking Taysam Hill over Tom Brady 10 at a 10. Have to. You got to be able to move back there. Yeah. Backyard football?

Yeah. Brother, he's not wrong. I'm gullible. So you pitch a decent argument to me. I'm buying. Boom. You bought that? I kind of buy it.

Swipe the card, baby. I think we're, I think Buston with the boys is on the stance of Taysam Hill being the best NFL player of all time. There's arguments. Yeah. Dante Pole Detackle for Kansas City

Had a couple of rushing touchdowns And a Donteer Po Don Terry Poe Don Terry Poe Detackle Pro Bowl de tackle Had a receiving touchdown

And he threw for a touchdown as well So another guy that can maybe do More than Tom Brady Derek Henry You lose me a little bit When he comes a protection Can run the football Derek Henry

best pure running back of all time. Pure. Hand him the ball. Receiving threat? Barry Sanders. Yeah, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton. Emmett Smith.

He's also thrown for a couple. The greatest O-line of all time. For years. But yes, Emma Smith, listen, I was a fan of the Cowboys in the 90s. L.T. was nice. O.J. Simpson, Jim Brown.

Yeah. O.J. Simpson. A lot of good football players out there. That's absolutely. though you're talking football player best football player of all time taste him hell onward um big weekend we've already said it teams are five and one uh sitting on this bus right now but it all started in kansas city when the boys flew from national tennessee to kansas city to watson nebraska cornhuskers take on the cincinnati bearcats we get their confidence as high i see a scout

for the jets i go what are you doing here he goes i'm here watching this tight-in for Cincinnati. I'm also watching the quarterback for Cincinnati. I said, oh, yeah. The decackle for Cincinnati as well. And I go, well, this game's going to be a blowout, right? And he goes, I don't think it is. I go, no, Nebraska's going to cover minus six and a half, aren't they? He goes, I think this game's a lot closer than your fan base is hoping for right now. You're like, you're telling me the fan of those sports book is wrong, that Nebraska's going to cover six and a half. Yeah. And he and he looked me dead in the eyes and he goes, this game is going to be a lot more interesting than you think. It's going to be a lot of A lot more.

And Taylor came and told me that. And I told him, listen, I got to give him. I got to give my boy perfect information. Obviously, it's not the information you want to give to your guy. But hey, you have to. You know. Yeah, it's like the Vince Fawn movie where he sees his boy's girl cheating on him. It's like, what do you do?

You got to tell your boy. Even if your messenger gets killed, I got to let him know. And I test wise, it's like you have this idea of Cincinnati, but seeing them in person. I'm like, they got some cats. Especially that. They got some cats. Stories be, buddy. I'm telling you.

That kid. that kid is electric big boy big boy hard to take down type of boy fast and that tight end looked apart too yeah he they got to get him probably more involved shout out coach step also shout coach at cc he was the home he's your boy right yeah yeah from south carolina from south carolina fan of the show soon to be possibly friend of the show they apparently the doors are open at cincinnati for us yeah which might be a spring tour stop this coming year yeah but i want to get your impression of the game, your feelings throughout first, second, third,

fourth quarter, especially in the fourth quarter. But also, next time there's a Nebraska football game we got to go to, we're getting security. We got to, I mean, it is fucking ridiculous.

I mean, and also, I actually would like to say this one thing, too, Nebraska fans, known for being the most polite, generous fan base in all of college football. Got a little edge to us now.

I'm walking through, and it's like, well, you're the best. Taylor, fuck Michigan. I'm like, whoa, what are we doing here? Even to where I'm saying easy. Easy, easy, easy. One guy mistakes Jack. Thank God Jack took this bull for me. He was wearing a little Kevlar on the chest.

Some guys, like, giving Will to love. Hey, you're the best, you're the grass. He's fucking putting his back of his throat. And he's going, fuck Michigan. Yeah, he looks over at Michigan and goes, fuck Michigan. To the point where we know how Will's been a little nasty towards Michigan. He's even going, listen, boys. Oh, oh, my bad.

Listen, boys. Hey, hey, we got to, down, I'm walking through. I go to take a, piss in the second quarter drunk Nebraska thing goes out to me goes oh my god busting with the boys Taylor would love you guys ball ball dabs me up I'm my hell man appreciate you thank you for watching the show

go big red tonight am I right he's like yeah I go to take a piss I whip my little piece out he goes right next to me in the urinal and he looks at his boy literally not a space in the urinal state goes right next to me I can hear you he goes man it's so crazy we got to see the bus with the boys guys I mean it is just Taylor

like he's not really the boy like Will's really the boy but it's awesome to see my little piece of my hand he's getting a little gun shy too he's getting a little sad he's starting to he's starting to turtle up on man we got to get this piss and get out of here buddy this is bullets are flying Cincinnati comes out

first time of my life I heard Nebraska Cornhusker fans boo Cincinnati gets booing with them coming out to the field gets a first down Cincinnati or Nebraska booing flag on the play in favor of Cincinnati Nebraska fans booing under review go Cincinnati's way. Nebraska fans, boom, I'm hearing a lot of fucks. I'm hearing a lot of,

I've seen a lot of middle fingers. Nebraska fans are fed up for a reason. Thank God we started to want to know. Will Compton, you have the floor. Yeah, I think Nebraska fans are sick and tired of being sick and tired. There were people overreacting a lot to what they saw on Thursday night. Overreacting a lot to what they saw on Thursday night. Oh, Nebraska, they're going to be middle of the road team. People forget that Nebraska of old, Nebraska, not even of old of recent finds ways

to lose that one scored game in the fourth. My balls were in my stomach when Soresby had the ball. They just drove down on us running the football and scored. And they got the ball with the men in change left and change left and I am like, holy

fuck, we might lose this goddamn game. And look, People, again, forget the things that we've went through. We didn't attempt a field goal over 50 yards last year. We bang one in from 52 with juice left on it. Check. Like, special teams has been such a problem for us.

We now have a punter that had three inside the 22 of them inside the 10. We got guys on the outside with Hunter and Key that can go up and get it. You got Jacori Barney. Had a drop in the game, but Jacori Barney is a hell of a football part. Emma Johnson can run through your face. This is a plus one guy. You get a one-on-one. You get a one-on-one in the hole.

Like the balance that he has in low center of gravity, we have a good running back. We have a good line. We have guys at every position on offense. 44. J.P. identified him right out of the gate. That's going to be a player for you guys. That's a college football player right there.

That's what he said. 44 making plays out there at the tight-in spot. Rayola, it came out. You let the games play out all weekend long, and you see the ebbs and flows the way people feel about their team. And then it doesn't, they're not up to expectation. Coming out of that game, Raolo is what? One of, I want to say Lenore Sellers is probably in that category too,

but before Sunday kicks off, the only P4 quarterback to play against other P4, another P4 program and have over 200 plus yards over 60% completion rate and two touchdowns. 70% completion rate. I think he was the only, Carson Beck probably got it. But the, I think it was just them too. Right, but the metric was 60. Yeah, Dylan was like 70% plus on completion.

Like, I wish we would have took more shots down field, but they played a very, soft two shell, even three shell at times with safety. So we're just taking, we're taking what the defense gives us. For me, I come out of that game optimistic because we find a way to lose that game. Last year, the year before, the year before, the year before, the year before, the year before, and the year before. We find a way to somehow lose that fucking game. I think there's actually one more year before.

Yeah, another year before. Yeah. And so I was fired up. There's a lot of stuff to build on, a lot of things to grow, a lot of things to grow from. Situational, you can't have a false start when you. when you're on the goal line, you're on the one-yard line. You have a false start. You get pushed back.

You end up settle them for three when you want seven in that situation. And the defense, again, balls in everybody's stomach. We need to play defensively who's going to show up. It happened twice with our blackshirt defense. In the second quarter before the half, when they throw that little underneath throughout, buddy lights him up, fumble. We get the ball back score before we go in the halftime. Again, you want to come out and get points.

And then again, at the end of the game, is it a heartsog number seven? gets a defensive holding penalty and again that's where I'm like God damn it this is going to happen on week one this is going to happen on week one gets a defensive holding penalty but keeps this J.D. Pekyll says this

keeps this competitive composure and comes out the next play and makes a massive interception to seal the game. A lot of times again you go up you're in your own head as a player you can't move on to the next play you might go up and PBU that or break it up

he secures the football gets a massive turnover I think there should be a lot optimism. There is a lot of growth. I kind of like the spot we're in because the big game as a fan that you look at on the schedule. You don't want the players to do on the schedule is you look at Michigan in week four. So you should be coming out of that game, you know, with a lot of things to correct and a lot of optimism. Hey, we can do this. We can do that. But we got to hone in the situational football to where your assholes a little tight all the way up to where you brew. September 20th,

Michigan bus and bowl. Because again, you got Akron. You got, is it HCU? Is that Houston Christian? at home. So we're going to be comfortable. We're going to be working on things we need to work on, but it's like the tail is going to be week four against Michigan. Whereas your guys' test comes more this week for you guys. I like to give one thing that impressed me the most about Nebraska. They finished the game plus one in the turnover margin.

That to me is massive. Was it plus one or two? No, plus one. Because I don't think we turned the ball. Oh, no, no, because you guys, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dylan got the ball back. Well, there were three separate fumbles.

Three different times at Nebraska. corner skers offense put the ball on the ground that usually goes into the opponent's life usually goes in the point so that that that right there it's like it's a god thing it's a it's a it's a football gods type of thing but like last year before the year before the year before the year before the year before that ball goes in the hands of Cincinnati now shame on Cincinnati for being one of the DBs trying to scoop and score the situation get on the ball yeah you're trying to make it a ESPN top 10 move you and up be on the ESPN not top 10 by not paying up that ball however the ball goes on the ground for Nebraska's offense three separate times.

They recover it three separate times. That is a visual change you can see in the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Can't always choose how the ball bounces your way, but when you've had so many years as a Cornhusker fan, watching the ball go the way against you,

it's nice to see it come for you. So I don't know if it was plus one or plus two, last year Nebraska Cornhuskers averaged one and a half turnovers a game. They had zero in this last game. In field goal, we had three block last year. Yeah.

Low trajectory kicker. And again, didn't attempt one over 50. Like, you got a guy that puts it in from 52. Yeah. And who's your boy, Echler? Is that his name?

Yeah, Eck. I will say this about Eck. I'm wearing, I'm in Nebraska uniform. I got the red shoes on. I got the Nebraska shirt. I got the Nebraska hat. We sneak off because these NFL rules

in the Kansas City. We sneak off for a moment, get on the sideline. We see Eck, dab him up, give him love. I say, hey, you see the fit. He goes, I love it. I go, I give you this right now.

But September 20th, obviously, I'm, I'm hoping for you guys as downfall. He goes, he looks me dead in the eyes. And he goes, we don't fucking need you. I'm just having, I'm just trying to have a good time with you. And he just smiles and dabs me up and walks away. That is.

I love him more for it. I love him more for it. Look me dead in the eyes, drew a line in the sand, he goes, that's my boundary right there. I said, you got it, brother. Absolutely. Fired up for Nebraska. There's so much to clean up.

would have loved to see. Can't give up over 200 on the ground. Can't give up 200 on the ground. Yeah, that was a bit of a sieve, but it's also a very mobile quarterback that had a twitch that you don't, he just seemed like he was moving out of different gear than everybody else in the field.

No disrespect to the cornerhuster's defense, but that kid, he was just a notch faster than the rest of everybody else in the field. I would have loved. Rayola, his completion percentage, just by, I don't want to do the comparison because it's not, it would cause a fluster.

But like he had a lot of completions. A lot of those came from checkdowns. He had a couple of nice throws in the end zone that got him a touchdown. I would have loved to see an attempt at an X play through the year. Oh, that's, I think it's the one thing you look at a Nebraska fan, be like, love the stat line, love the rating, love the completion percentage, love the yards. Would have loved to see the, he threw that dime right there. You know, and I'm sure they're all thinking.

And even the staff is looking at the way they call the game being like, oh, we could have took a show. You could have done this here, could have done this there. Yeah, because but holes got a little tight. I mean, as it should have, right, so how many times that not go your way? Yeah. Nebraska or Cincinnati, a team that in the Bay 12 is kind of picked to finish. They might win the whole thing, Cincinnati. They might win the entire Big 12.

One of the teams are finished last in the Bay 12. I think they're going to shock some people this year. I think they'll shock some people too. Yeah, I think Kansas State. Cooked. God, bro. That game goes on the score. Avery Johnson's dad is somewhere.

He's, I got to look out for Hayri Johnson's mom, man. We got to make sure everyone's safe in that household. It is tough, man. Cincinnati is now fifth? Now fifth. I think they were towards the bottom. Oh, no. Okay, yeah, not fit.

That's just where the scrolling was. Okay. There's still plus 2,500 in the sports book. And I love that the Big 12th has 20 teams, but it's the Big 12. I love the Big 10 has 20. Big 12 is wide open. Kansas. Kansas looks good.

Kansas looks good. Texas Tech came out, put an asshole thing. you guys watch Arizona State at all? I thought it was a little too close. No, that's, that's, you're looking at,

you're looking at the score. Yeah, you're looking at, you're looking at the score because I mean, I didn't get to watch the game in full. Obviously they play at 1 a.m. No,

I went back and watched the game. Okay. I went back and watched the game. Sam Levitt, great touch on the football. He's got a kid, I forget his name, he's number zero if you looked at it up for ASU.

Jordan Tyson. Jordan Tyson. That kid had so many catches that you're like, holy shit, this guy is a dog. who's the cat their receiver or their running back

room they ran all over the yard on NAU their defense did a great job of standing up Sam Levitt had one uncharacteristic

throw by him but I feel like that offense is going to be cooking in a big way they get to go across the country to Mississippi State this week

it'll be fun to watch I think they're favored by six and a half right now which I think I think Arizona because you put on Mississippi State's game

they played southern Missouri it was close It was close in the first half. They really pulled away in the second half. But I think, what? It was like 10-10. Something like that. It was tied up in the, and it's like,

they had a nice little running back who came from the Sunbell. He can move it around a little bit, but their office-al line looked a little slow, a little lethargic. The speed that you see the SEC with when you have the SEC logo on your chest, Mississippi State doesn't have that right now. So it'll be fun to see that game for sure. 10 that's got some juice in the Big 12, too, is Utah.

Oh, yeah, buddy. Beat the shit out of UCLA. Shut out of Niko. That OC and quarterback that came up from New Mexico. Mexico, like, they're nice. Yeah. A quarterback's nice. I'll say this too, man.

Like, Josh Pate said it. Like, Utah State had an uncharacteristically bad year. They're used to getting 9, 10, 11 wins every single year. They have a bad year last year. Everyone kind of writes them off. Utah. Those Utes, man. I want to hear about Michigan.

Yeah, let's get into Michigan. We were kind of getting off the rails. Hey, Bryce Underwoods, that's a, he's a guy. Listen. But he's got some zip. Some zip on the ball. I have. some unhealthy optimism about our football season now.

After watching that game take place, it got kind of close for a second. When you look at the score, you think to yourself, it got kind of close for a second. However, when you watch that game, and this is, if this doesn't happen,

then this, and I know that conversation is just kind of disgusting for a lot of people, especially if you're not a fan of Michigan, that team, New Mexico gets seven points on a fumbled kickoff return,

okay, ends up going where they have this insane trick play where they hit a ground ball. They have a little ground ball to the running back. He pops it over to the tight end. Who gave us troubles? Number seven from New Mexico gave us troubles all game. That's seven.

In the third quarter, or is at the beginning of the fourth quarter, when they marched down the field and they end up scoring seven, you have three different third downs of third and ten plus that Michigan stopped them with either incomplete pass, a sack fumble, or a PBU that gets called back because of, because of a penalty. So if you're a Michigan team, the thing you need to look at is this.

When I put the film on, when I'm watching the film in the University of Michigan, on offense and defense, it's like both offensive defense played very well. You have to clean up, you have to clean up the fumble. Number four, he's a rookie. He had that.

There was also another one where he had a little wheel route that Bryce Underwin basically hit him in the head. He just wasn't even looking. But at the defense, I love the way they played. They played 27 different guys on their defense. I don't like how they gave up 21 first downs. 21 first downs, a lot of those come from the penalties that happen as well.

You have Jayshan, Jayshan Barham, who gets ejected. That is going to be appealed. We'll see if he does it. If he does not play against Oklahoma, that's a huge, that's a huge. And that fucking sucks. Like, everybody's been bitching about the targeting. And I agree with what the world is saying. It's like, that is, that cripples college football.

Cripples college football. Like, suspending the kid the next week is crazy. That play was a fumble that was returned for a touchdown that was being reviewed to see if it was a fumble at all. There was no penalty fight on the play. They review it. They call it targeting and they say the kids disqualified. To me, it's like, man, like what are we doing in that situation? Like, yeah, his helmet hits the other kid's helmet, but he's not like putting his crown of his helmet down.

He's wrapping him up. It's he even tried turning his face. Right. And listen, from New Mexico, you got to get it. New Mexico a lot of credit. Like that kid, Lane, he was under pressure all night long, whether it was four or five coming at him. He think he was pressured over 17 times in that game.

He took three or four sacks. But you had a revolving door of a very strong defensive line and a front seven that was making him uncomfortable all day. He's the most sore guy in all-cultural ball. Lane comes from Idaho State. Same guy, the head coach for New Mexico, he was also Idaho State. This is the same team that gave Oregon Fits last year where they only lost Oregon by three points.

So they're a better football team than a lot of people are getting them credit for. I mean, they were the 130th out of 132 defenses coming out of last year. Yeah, coming out of last year. But you look at Florida State, who was 10 and 2 last year, they have 23 new transfers. I think New Mexico, what's that? Two in 10. Sorry. There were two and 10 last year.

They have 23 transfers. They end up turning, I mean, it seems like they've really turned their season around with the upset against Alabama. New Mexico is another team that had a shitload of transfers as well with this coach and this quarterback who has had success against power four teams. before. I'm not saying New Mexico's world leaders. I'm just saying, you look at Florida State. We're talking about New Mexico. When you look at Bryce Underwood

as a Michigan fan, you think, I just want to see completed passes. First play of the game, it's a bubble screen out to Samaj Morkin. Great, great blocking on the perimeter. He gets a first down. Bryce Underwood had negative five rushing yards, and I think it's for a reason. I think they told him, don't run, take as little hits as possible. He was hit two games, both of them were his fault. The kid has, I mean, his release is incredible. He was putting the ball in a great spot every single time. If he missed, he missed in front of the guys.

He had a great, like, they were backed up. I mean, you take the two minute. The two minute was incredible. They're backed up on the two-year-old line. They run an RPO. And he puts it over two other defenders and puts it right in Klein's hand. That's a tight end. The kid comes out.

He's jumping around right before, which I'm getting nervous about my. This kid's a little too hyped up before first game of the year. He's a and he Seem poised The game didn't seem too fast from him I know it's New Mexico I understand But the level of optimism

When you ran the ball we did With a you know As a day one install They did nothing pretty The entire game They were very basic On the defensive side of the ball Very basic on the offensive side of the ball

They ran RPO's with Well still blocking the defense event Like Bryce Underwood Was never going to run that game It was very apparent Which happy for me which makes me feel really good about the game coming up,

that gives me the optimism. Oklahoma rushes for 44 yards against the FCS school. They are obviously very good throughout the air. Their offensive line seems like a bit of a problem. It seems like who's it? Mateer was under pressure a little bit. And boys, I'm telling you, we get this offensive line to gel a little bit.

The run game is there. Justice Hayes, thank you so much, Gary, for let me have that boy because he ran for 15 yards on 15 carries and three touchdowns. It fires me up. I'm just glad that you could tell watching that game, they very much had a plan to match the identity of what they wanted to do. Like, you know, big time run, a lot of run scheme. Get them on the perimeter, move in the pocket, boots, play action.

Like, they knew what they wanted to do with Bryce. Yeah. And I think he, like, he can zip the fucking ball. And you'll get to see how good the team is, like when you play against Oklahoma. Because, you know, Oklahoma, again, no, not taking credit away from New Mexico, but this will be a different ball club. Windows will be tighter. Defenders will be a lot better.

Scheme will be a lot harder to identify. And then they have, like again, you look at how New Mexico, Michigan did shoot themselves on the foot with a lot of different penalties. But New Mexico, like being able to move the ball, like John Mateer seems to be as advertised. Like they're going to, Oklahoma is going to have an offense. So Michigan's defense will be tested this weekend. Right. And it'll be.

You can find our picks on the locker room. Josh. You can find your picks in the locker room. you're, if you're thinking as a Michigan fan, Bryce Underwood needs to be the guy to beat Oklahoma, I think you have the wrong thought process. Like, you need to win first and second down, keep their offense off of the field,

and put Bryce Underwood in a situation to be successful on third and manageable, third manageable downs. Brent Venable, like he's had, what, 10 years of success at Clemson, being an absolute stud. I have. Yeah, Oklahoma. He's a defensive-minded cat. He's a defensive-minded cat.

He took over the play calling. They looked good. I mean, the interior of their defensive line is really solid. It's going to be a fun game. It's going to be a fun game to watch. I cannot wait to see how Michigan, how this Bryce Underwood cat, walks into Norman, and is he the guy who he says he is? Because it's exciting, man.

I actually, I feel so optimistic about this Oklahoma game, so incredibly optimistic. I can't wait to see how it all goes down. But yeah, we have the forward pass again. Yeah. Bryce Underwood is a good player. He'll be a very good player. Man. A game y'all didn't touch on Clemson, LSU.

I don't know if you have anything to make of it. Nussmeier. Yeah. Nussmire looked good. Operating. The LSU's defense showed up to play. Look very good. I thought Clemson's defense did a hell of a job.

But Klubnick and a couple of those, especially at the end of the game, when you can tell LSU had an MA where they're sending. all the backers, and I want to say Perkins, number seven, comes from the outside. You had a cat wide open over the middle of that. I believe it was fourth down to where you try to force it in on that slant and kind of just going through it. All you do is go through one progression, you're going to see Buddy White Open. I felt like that was, I would say, uncharacteristic. Maybe others would say that's not uncharacteristic in Kate Klubnick, but I was disappointed that he wasn't able to capitalize on that end made by LSU's decent. But LSU's defense to me was the

was a sticking point of this game. It's like, you know, how are they going to be? Nuss Myers, a great quarterback. He's going to be a good quarterback. He's going to operate really well. The defense has always kind of let them down in the past, giving up a lot of yardage. Clemson has a lot of talent across the board on both sides of the ball.

Also returning as well. Yeah, yeah, across the board. And for LSU's defense to show up like that, like they were flying around, man. It was a fun game to watch. The Weeks boys were out there playing. Weeks boys were out there playing. I mean, you brought it up.

Is it Perkins, Harold Perkins, Jr.? I mean, he was out there flying around. he is back in a big way. Yeah. I mean, Josh Pate said he's the honey badger, but twice his size. Yeah.

The biggest question mark going in this game for a lot of people that were choosing Clemson was LSU's offensive line. I thought they had a good day. Yeah. I thought they had a good day in protection. They had a great day moving the line of scrimmage. Like,

I am very impressed by LSU and answering the bell, especially in week one when they've been 0.15 since 2019. It's impressive. It's exciting to see what's going to happen with the Tigers. Yeah. I feel like Garrett Nussmeyer, like won the most of all the big-time quarterbacks this week because he got the marquee

matchup he was dueling against another big-time quarterback like a heisman favorite to a lot of people right and he came out on top yeah and he made it obvious too in my opinion I know I'm a south carolina fan but objectively I'm watching the game and I'm thinking Nussmeyer looks like he's on a different level than clubnick at clemson too at clemson like it it didn't feel like they were playing a road game that the way they were playing right A lot of people talking about Nuss Myers, when he get into like really tight games like he was, he would press a little too much and make mistakes. It seemed like a lot of maturity came from him when he was like, hey, if he runs into an issue,

let's throw the ball away, let's check it down. Let's live for another down. Yeah. It made me happy to watch. As much as I can't stay in LSU after last year, but because Clemson's D line, I mean, Clemson's defense played well. And I will say this. their safety number five Clemsons.

Yeah. I cannot wait until number 16 on South Carolina puts his helmet in his chest and bowls him over at the end of the year. That guy is nonstop running his mouth. Like a call for targeting. Get it? Yeah, that's fine. Offensive targeting. But like nonstop running his mouth on plays that he's not necessarily making.

And Clemson is always good for one white dude on their defense to be that guy. and their safety was doing it. And I'm like, I cannot wait until Lenore Sellers gets to just run you over. South Carolina Gamecock, J.P. Hovey, you went to Atlanta this weekend. A lot of optimism coming out of that game.

The one thing that I was pissed about because I didn't feel like it should have been close to the way it was is Johnson, that backer number zero looks like a unit, a stud. He picks it off and doesn't go down in the end zone, pins him back on like the one or two yard line. Lenores ends up getting sacked for a safety.

That kind of keeps them in the game. game. Yeah. Because you guys looked like a... That first drive? Everybody's tweets coming out. Oh, South Carolina juggernaut. Everybody was tweeting.

Everybody, dude. Dude, it was crazy. It was, I mean, it was kind of perfect for us. I mean, there's a lot to clean up in the O line, but we had our big flashy plays that the team can be excited about going into the week that the coaches can get excited about and we have so much to coach them on. but we're just a fun team all around because we're so like it sounds crazy to say but we're star studded with lenora sellers the third and six or like third and 12 play he makes on his

feet shedding two tacklers like i don't know if any other quarterback is able to do that in the country Dylan stewart seven tackles one sack one and a half tackles for a loss and when he's making his sack because he was getting double teamed all day and it was virginia tech was starting to drive. They were like on the 35 yard line and Stewart just flies out of nowhere. Sacks him. J.R. Johnson, the linebacker. Insane. And then the punt return.

Something that... Beamer ball. Beamer ball. The little Frank there too. And Dylan gives him the ball after the game. Or not Dylan. Lillores. Gives him the ball after the game. Dude, one thing I thought was so weird by Virginia Tech is there were multiple passing downs where they would like pull a guard, keep it open, slide to the left, pull a guard on Stewart.

And it's like, you're just asking to get your ass beat. Right. And then when they had to get in those third, like the situations where they have to throw the ball, they're not chipping. A lot of times they weren't sliding. And it's like, bro, that guy is a fucking menace. He will ruin your day. You end up doing it.

It's like, where is the, from a coaching staff standpoint, like, how are you not making that adjustment at halftime being like, hey, we got to put two guys in this guy at all times. That's just what it is. Like, let's get to the second level. I know Johnson, he's an absolute stuff. But like, let's get to Johnson. So this, the Stewart kid doesn't ruin the day for us. And not to full.

on just talk about South Carolina. Vitech was fighting now. They were quarter of nice. Their backers are good. The receivers. They were making some plays. Yeah. Making some plays and having just a couple of drops

where it's like we might be saying something different. The drops made no sense. Yeah. Because they're making plays where like our DB is in position playing great defense and they're laying out for it, snagging it. I'm like, yo, this is a good team.

How about Nick Harbor? Like early in the game gets a couple of catches, has a drop where you're like, that's what everyone's been saying about them all last year. and then just that 10-1 speed down. Yeah, he's so fast. I mean, the play action, it does feel like a video game. And this is the first time everybody's been running that play in the video game.

And this is the first time we've got to see it in real life. Yeah. And I swear, though, we've got to clip his mouthpiece. Because it's never in and it's pretty long. And he hasn't been playing wide receiver enough to where his hands are as sure as they could be. and when they showed me the replay on the screen, the mouthpiece was kind of dangling where his hands were. And I'm like, dude,

if this lime green mouthpiece ruins this moment, we're going to have some problems. But I liked it because we have a lot of other talented receivers and I wish they could have gotten involved more, but I like it going forward because other teams, it's like they don't really know exactly what we're going to be bringing. The best part about Shane Beamer, we always, under him, have played our best football in November.

So if we're able to rise our level of play in August and September and October, just a little bit, we're going to be in good shape. Just from watching the game, it's like the obvious to me is cleaning up just the old line. It seems like there's a major one of the law. Miscommunications going on to where it's not like there's times where they get beat, but I'm saying there's times where there's just like free runners. Guys coming up the middle and just not picking up the pressure. That three technique had a nice little forklift on that left guard. It's one of those you have tipped the cabin. That's a hell of them.

Right. Yeah. Apparently they have a really good D-line. Yeah, well, it seemed that way, and they were running games really well. Yeah. They were definitely identifying which side you were sliding to and then manipulating in a game on the man side.

So, yeah, that, I mean, if I'm walking out of that, I'm a little nervous with that left tackle and left guard. Just kind of the lull in the second, third quarter, because you kind of want to keep the momentum. Obviously, the first drive is like the first drive you want to have in any game. Right. But what I love about watching South Carolina is like, We're talking about the effort and the loafing and stuff on BAM.

It's like there's no lack of effort with the South Carolina Gamecox. And they send a message on defense. Like there's always three guys around the ball and there's always one dude that comes in and lays extra hit. Right. Like when it's getting stood up, you just see a guy leave his feet and crack someone. You can tell they're excited and they love to play with each other. It obviously starts with Coach Beamer. The way he gets everybody juice, he's done such a good job there.

But you just, you feel the energy with South Carolina. And it's that defense. You tell it meant so much to Beamer. Yeah. Like the style of defense we play is very like opportunistic and it leaves open big plays because you're trusting your DBs and your safety to really like win their matchup. Yeah. But it frees up the linebackers to do their thing.

And if you have a good linebacker core, which it looks like we do. Yeah. You play in South Carolina this week. You're putting on that film and you're a little nervous with a defense. They fly around. Yeah. After the first bounce out, Sellers just hits like a easy little pass. They get like seven yards.

Beamer's running at the corner and stabs him up. The tight end with the cowboy collar. But yeah, that's college football right there. That's the culture. That is the culture. And dude, seeing Shane Beamer as the game's ending, picking up his kid, look at him, like showing him around, like there's looking up in the air, like it brings a tear to your eye because you're just like, you could tell how much that meant to him.

Frank Beamer's there. He's wearing a gamecock t-shirt. And it's like, I have a question. and this has nothing to do with my SEC bias, anything is truly just I want to answer from everyone, obviously, JP. They Gatorade dumped Beamer after the game.

Is that... I think it's strictly for the Virginia Tech ties. Yeah, the Beamer Bowl for sure. I think it's so fitting. I'm not, I don't have a stance on this point. I just want to know. What are you wanting to know? They dumped Gatorade on Beamer. On Beamer after the win.

And what are you asking? Is that, is it, is it appropriate? appropriate for the moment. Is it too much? Week one? Like I'm not here like doing some underlying like I have a stance. I just saw this on Twitter like 20 minutes ago. And so while we're talking about I'd like to.

I think from a casual fan, I can see why are we dumping Gatorade. But I think if you understand the history of Beamer Ball, Virginia Tech, coach Shane Beamer going there while his dad was the head coach. Sellers giving Beamer to big Beamer. Yeah. Game ball was cool too. I think it was appropriate and I think it speaks to like

the tightness and the culture that they have going on there that even the players identified that coach Beamer is having such a moment with his old man being there. You take a punt return to the house that's Beamer ball man. Shout to Austin Winfrey too.

I mean, yeah, South Carolina coach. You think it's too much, Jack? No, I really don't. I'm not taking a stance. I just, you know. What's your stance be? I don't know.

Because I mean, as a Tennessee fan we rushed the field beating Bama this past year and people were pissed about that. I even was. So, like, I know there's probably one or two South Carolina fans out there that are like, this is too far. Like, we're getting ahead of it. But then I think because of it being the Bimmer Bowl, yes, it is justified.

No, I think I'll see any issue with it at all. Cool. Dude, his dad was a legendary coacher for almost three decades. Yeah, he's a legend. He gets to open up the season against his old man's old team. He grew up there. Talk about Shane wearing a headset, wanting to be a coach, watching his dad being like,

I used to have friends over and I used to go in the other room and pretend to call plays with the headset on because my dad was like that. And now you get to sit there as a head coach for the gamecocks and watch your dad's old team and have the opportunity to play against them. And a, you know, whatever, Affleck, you know, an Atlanta game. Because you haven't played him since, what was it, 1991? Yeah. So you're your boy was born. All I can hope is that Shane's son doesn't follow the same path as Shane. Because that just means in about 30 years, 40 years, I'm going to be facing Hunter Beamer on the,

opposite sideline he's going to take down the gamecox i need him i need him on our staff if he wants to be a coach so what he just takes over after a couple of south k what'll be fun too at the next couple weeks is vrbilt being spicy pavia looked really good their whole team look good is they got virginia tech this week they got v tech this week and then week three you got vandy out at south carolina i think that's gonna be a fun yeah okay we we can cut this and we need to but i did see this on twitter this morning both of Pavia's brothers were arrested after on Saturday night both of them

For what? That's surprising? He had nipped? I assume, I think it was PIs or just like drunk it I think they got in a drunk bite at a bar That's don't quote We don't have to cut that

It just matters more for the Pavia family Yeah, the Pavia family Like what else would you expect? I mean it really is A family full of wrestlers Yeah Yeah, shirts off, headbands on They're like, what'd you say?

Yeah, my brother's the greatest. and they just take his ass down. Put him in a choke. If they got in a fight solely for defending Diego's name, that, I mean, as a guy with two younger brothers, that shit would fire me up.

Fire, juicy. In total. Yeah, maybe not, though. But anyways, I kind of, I mean,

we'll get to the locker room, but right now, early thoughts are, I like, I like Vandy. They, as in Tennessee fan, it was cool.

Oh, I think you're sitting in South Carolina. No. Congrats to Vandy for actually having a full stadium. And I'm not making hateful. comments. It's, it actually is cool to see Vandy have fans in the stadium. That's awesome. Good for you guys. Is it? Yeah. Shout out Vandy, man. Big one coming up this week for you guys. Nothing bigger than Oklahoma, Michigan now. Might be, might be bigger than Texas, Ohio State.

And just for people tune in, it seems like we're going to stream it. Yeah. We'll be doing Thursday night football in the NFL all season long. And there's going to be a handful that we do for college. But it seems like this is would be a fun one to stream. Yeah, I think we streamed this one. I'm excited about it. Buddy, I'm telling you, you get the continuity in the office line from Michigan. That defense steps up plays well. You get a good run game going. We could set Norman on fire. I mean, because if Oklahoma loses that game, they're calling for coaches head. Do you think so? I mean, yeah, the year they had last year. I guess it depends if they lose, how they lose. Yeah, but you look at Oklahoma. You have John Matier. He's a he's, everyone saying,

He's a possible. He's going to be sitting there. Possible. holding up the chopy, he'll definitely be in a suit before Michigan, who has a quarterback that turned 18 years old 13 days ago. And he is able to walk in and get done what a lot of people think can't be done in Norman. I think people in Norman are. Apparently that fan base is as insane as they come, too. Just listen to a couple of... There ain't nothing out there, so... Yeah.

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Drumroll, please. This month's Gooner of the Month. month is Garrett and I will say it was not close this week you had a lot of votes comments

might be you old Monroe Alabama yeah comments might be saying this is pity voting but this is not pity voting they might be

would you say it might be well then I won't tell you that I voted for will so oh shit not a pity vote this is earned we needed a dub

Thank you to everybody. Thank you to the fans. Thank you to the boys. You have been busting your ass, bro. You've been keeping everything. All the operations, all the merch, everything that you guys see online, merch-wise, whether it's graphics. Yeah, we got some T's coming out with the G made this. This be coming out on Thursday.

Thursday, September 4th. This Thursday? This Thursday, September 4th. The Bustin Bull T's, my God. I'll say this. I come in, every day I come into the shopping. At one point, Garrett comes up to me. Hey, I want to show you something real quick.

He's showing me Sputober merch he's working on, the merch that just come out last week. He's shown me the Bustin Bowl merch, the hats, everything. The dude is dialed in when it comes to the merch. I love it. It gets me a little rocked up when I see Bustin with the boy stuff, taking new steps every single week. Shout out UG, you've done an incredible job.

Not just with the merch, but with everything, man. I appreciate it. We're traveling, keeping everybody in check with schedule, everything you have. You've been crushed. Would have loved to have seen because I know you would have still kept the optimism, would have loved to have seen us traveling

after the Bama game happened. See what? Like to say the Bama game happens on Thursday and then we're going the weekend through traveling, like just seeing how Stany and Bush would have been in the pocket, knowing that you're ready to fight. It would have been a mask on.

Yeah. Yeah, it would have been less conversational. I'll channel that internally and then next time if a Nebraska fan gets crazy on Taylor, maybe, oh, look, swing on his ass. Then we apologize to, I'm sorry, Nebraska. Nebraska, nastiest fan base?

Becoming the nastiest fan base out there? We got a chip on our shoulder. The expectations are a little higher this year. Oh, the good ones are dying off, man. Yeah, that's all. All the ones that remember the 90s. I'm like, yeah, the older generation's dying off. We got the new wave coming right now.

The new wave. Angry fans. Yeah. It was loud and arrowhead, dude. Yeah. I wish we got to like be more in it to feel. Yeah, I agree. Because I was watching, you know your boy, I was getting some free time.

Shout out, Fendl, though. That was a nice spot to be. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Fandle had a great. set up for us. But I watched the TV copyback, just kind of watch the flow of the game and everything

and you could feel like on third downs and everything else, like watching it on TV. It was rocking. Arrowhead just number one rips to begin with, like one of the best stadiums in the NFL. Their fans show up. Chiefs fans are also Husker fans. It was. It was rocking. 95% of tickets were sold to Nebraska fans. Nebraska also took over Nashville over the weekend because the volleyball team was playing against Kentucky at Bridgestone. Let's fucking go. And it was just a sea of red all over Nashville. They were on Mitch and I's flight. Yeah.

Back home. Without my AirPods. Big Red travels, man. Without my AirPon. I know. I raw dogged it the whole way home. Was it a 45 minute flight though? That tweet was funny, bro.

I had another play that I was going to quote tweet it later with almost your verbatim, forgot the IQ level is so low on here and just double down on it. No, not rip you, rip everyone else. But yeah, that was a tough flight. with no AirPods. Not having a real ID ended up working out. They just had to like

swipe my hands and just read it and it said Oh so real idea is kind of fake. No, so I think so when I called

the airport they were like yeah we're still having some leeway so I think eventually it's going to come to you need to get it or you're cooked

done. Get your real ID shout out of your real IDs get on it people moral of the episode get on it dude let's get to this

Jason Kelsey episode just before we kick it I do want to flirt a couple things out there for fans still on Fandul. An over in win totals this year. I love the Titans over five and a half. So much so.

Taylor almost put it in this parlay. They got murdered by Nebraska. Yeah. I'm sorry about that. I know, listen, I know Nebraska. Starts week one, baby. I think at this point, it's like when the game is going that way, I'll sacrifice my money for your happiness.

Yeah. And what I usually do anyway, like I didn't bet on the minus six and a half. I put Nebraska money line in a parlay because I personally hate like close I just hate doing spreads with Nebraska because I don't want to be bummed. I want to be fired up that we won. But I don't want to be bummed if we didn't cover.

Like I don't want my emotional state being wrapped up. Will had us all drink the Kool-Aid for the spread and behind closed doors just to money line. Because even the way he was talking to the locker room, we got done with the locker room and I go, Will, tell me why I shouldn't put thousands and thousands of dollars on Nebraska minus six and a half. He goes, buddy trust me.

trust me buddy like I got to look at myself in the mirror too and be like I got I got a bet responsibly when it comes in Nebraska thank God we had that I say that and I still might have let me just check my subtle bets I kind of an up and down weekend it would be a tough Carolina saved me because I took a minus one and a half in the first quarter and it was plus 100 got that banger I will just wait to start this Jason Kelsey episode until will pulls a spandall app I'm just I am I'm high on the over five and a half wins for Tennessee this year. Lost Notre Dame.

Lost the same game parlay with Notre Dame. One South Carolina, two of them. Lost Clemson. Lost my five leg parlay. Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame all fucked me. Lost my four leg parlay. Texas Clemson fucked me. Lost my six leg parlay.

Texas, Bama, Notre Dame. I needed to have a little bit more variety. I did take Nebraska my six and a half. Lost that. Okay. See you real quick. Yeah. A lot of parlays.

Okay. I'll tell you the parlays are going to, listen, you get a week under your belt, you start seeing the field a little bit better. And I do want to apologize. Place the day of the game, too. I'm over one, yeah. Yeah. What time did I post it?

2.19 p.m. So probably just right before we took off, right before we took off. Yeah, I was. You should have seen this man, how nervous he was in that fourth quarter. And I'm thinking to myself, like, I kind of hope Cincinnati gets three. So Nebraska could win by seven. Yeah, Taylor won. And we can cover.

We can still cover. I'm like, no. And Will's just thinking that we got to get this win. And he's right, too, momentum was all on Cincinnati's side. They scored before. They stopped Nebraska and they had a minute. Fortunately, sores we can't really sling it that well. I know.

I know. Maybe he can, though, and the defense is held in the 67 yards. You can see bros. Yeah, he had that won. See, dude, when I was watching Raola during the game, I'm thinking he's not playing that well. And then you pull, and I think in the third quarter,

I pulled the stats. He's kind of crushing, actually. So it's kind of like weird when you watch the game and the stats. Yeah, that's why I wanted to watch a TV copy too just to get like a feel. Right. But boys,

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When they were showing you guys, when they were showing you guys on the camera, I was like, if they want some juice in the stadium, they'll get the camera pan down. Yeah. Yeah.

We'll get the boys rolling. It was a weird thing because it was set up. We're rolling. We're good? We are rolling. It was a Cincinnati home game. So all of the like the band and like things on the jumber chart, a lot of it was set up for like to be Cincinnati centered. Yeah.

But like the entire crowd is the basketball. So yeah, it was a bit awkward, I felt like. It was close though. Sores be that quarterback. Yeah. He, I mean, yeah, Cincinnati played. It was a weird game. They like weren't playing bad.

offensively, but they didn't have any points to show. They kind of got like behind the sticks a few times, and Nebraska just felt like they had the ball. Yeah. I don't know what the time possession was, but it had to be. Yeah, it was pretty lopsided, but it was like Soresby's legs was, again, outside of that, it's not like Cincinnati had much offense outside of him running the football.

Well, I thought the number three, the Walker kid ran the ball really well, too. Right, behind, yeah. They were running well, and it didn't even feel like Sorsby's throwing the ball poorly. It just felt like Nebraska's DBs were all over to receiving. I don't know. And when there was some opportunities, the receivers just made drop, right?

He threw some really nice fade balls. And I mean, he's just like, a couple openings. There was that one in like the first quarter where that receiver kind of had great separation.

He just threw it over his head a little bit. Yeah. There's a couple. But that like two minute drive first put a two minute. I swear to God that he just told the receivers run Verts. I'm gonna,

I'm gonna go ahead and get eight way to start us off on a good, on a good little go here. He's like a little Patrick Mahomes though. Buddy, he is an athlete. Yeah. Being on the field and watching him, you're just like, this kid looks like,

looks the part for sure him the tight end yeah like all of them where i was impressed by the way they look but yeah i feel like week one jitters for sure they had like three false starts they're playing in this a lot of stadium in the in the world i guess i don't know if it's it's well they advertise it's how they advertise that's how they advertise so we'll give it to him in the world in the world it's crazy like is that world or the NFL yeah yeah because i feel like you had the mix of husker fans which are diehard fans the place was rocking they're also all husker fans are pretty much chiefs fans. Yeah. Travis in the building.

Obviously he plays for Cincinnati, but you had that just mix of cheese. They didn't know what to do. Like, are we supposed to cheer when Travis? It would start with the cheer and then they'd like point to his hat and they'd be like, boo! Yeah. Hey, a little background though on Nebraska.

So I, my senior year when we played them, they beat our ass. Okay. And then after the game, all the fans are like, hey, great job. Hope you guys are safe. Like, they're like known as like the nicest fans of all time. And then all of a sudden

typical Midwest. I'm walking, I'm walking in the stadium and it's like, Fuck Michigan, Taylor Bull. I'm like, we're all in Nebraska. I'm like, this is not the Nebraska I know,

it's a new generation. The bear cats come out there, booing like during like, you know, they're reviewing a play. They're screaming at the rafts. I'm like, this, this fan base.

The vaccine's hitting them. Something's going on on their bloodstream. I was telling Taylor that the older generation, the nice ones, they're dying out. Now it's like the youth is coming up.

We're sick and tired of being sick and tired because we fucking lose every year. The old generation was, you know, they were fat cats. They won a bunch of national championships And they remember the other good days.

Yes. New guys, like, we got to get it going on in Nebraska again. I was, I was nervous, though. I was sweating bulls because I thought, you know, I thought we'd take care of this. What did you think about how, did Maraska play about as well as you thought they would?

Like, what did you think of Nebraska? I was surprised we didn't take as many, we didn't really try to press it downfield at all. Right. Like, I felt like everything was short. Like, you look at rail with stateline. He was like 33 for 40 something. But everything was like,

they like loved the spacing concept. They ran the football. ball really well. I think anytime they tried to get outside the tackles where they struggled, but Emmett Johnson and that old line was doing a good job in between the tackles. I feel like we have some good receivers that can win one-on-ones, but where I was surprised is us just not taking shots down field. Yeah. So that was kind of my break. The defense, I knew we had a lot of new faces, so I was curious of how we'd play. We didn't stop the run really well. But whenever, like, again, Nebraska lore, Nebraska historically, we lose those.

one-score games in the fourth quarter. Our special teams is bad, but we got a punter that was putting it inside, two inside the 10, three inside the 20. A field goal kicker, again, we usually lose games with special teams. We bang one in from 52, which mattered because we only won by three. So there's like optimism that I obviously have, I always will have. But when I look at everything, it's like usually the ball doesn't bounce our way. We don't get the penalty at the right time. We're usually fumbling the ball or missing special teams play. Like those things, were happening. For me, it's just, you know, how do we get the ball down field? Because real looking spin it. It's just, it's just opening it up and letting him do it. Yeah. It was a, it was definitely

felt like a first game. Yeah. Yeah. I'm both teams, perhaps. Yeah. Because when it was six three, it's like, you know, I'm sure. It was just weird. I was like, why is this score? Like it's like so odd. Like each team has kind of had played when they made mistakes, got behind the chains. And yeah, anyways. The thing that impressed me with Nebraska was their offensive line. Because there was all that talk about that nose tackle, that three technique. Y'all have. He's the real deal. I'm walking by. I'm like, this motherfucker looks like the real deal. Yeah, he's legit like a boulder. So

I'm thinking, yeah, you've got to go like perimeter type of run play, some pinpole type schemes. But all the success was between the tackles. Yeah. Yeah, which was... They ran power pretty well. They got the fullback in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Come on now. Oh, yeah. Got the fullback in there. 23 personnel. Cincinnati was just like, all right.

Cincinnati was running the ball. Yeah, baby. Cincinnati was running the ball well, too. I feel like both offensive lines were moving the line of scrimmage pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Boys were leaning on them out there. lean on. If I was rule, I mean, you're looking at that

being like, we know what our strength is. Like, our boys can do gaps game. They can do power. Like, let's just keep that our bread and butter. Can't get a false start

on the one yard line. No, but that Emmett Johnson kid that running back, he is impressive. Yeah, good balance. There was only one time

I saw one guy get him down. It was a great tackle by. I think it was like a nickel or something like that out in the open field when he caught the ball. But that kid, no one's tackled him. He's impressive.

Yeah. I hopefully, listen, I hope you guys go 11 and one. Yeah. So that win looks really good. Go undefeated now. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. This is as Midwest as it gets right here. Now that it's over, I just want you to know. Yeah. I'm thinking. He's crazy. He's a sleeper in this game.

God. He wins the Big 12. Yeah. You just see, that's how good we are. Right. Right. Right. Look, you come out of that game and there's a lot of optimism.

There's a lot of people that had Nebraska in their college football playoff due to strength of schedule. Matt Rule, year three, all that stuff. But you look back historically, it's like, you know, Josh, tweeted about it, Oregon, Idaho was pressing them. They ended up, you know, having the year they had last year, winning the Big Ten. Notre Dame loses their Northern Illinois.

They're in the national title. Yeah. It's, you know, you get the bad plays out of the way early. Are you a big follower of Cincinnati? I don't follow college football as much. Yeah. And I follow Cincinnati, of course, just because it's alma mater. But I don't get as back as much as I've wanted to.

I'm trying to get back more this year. we got a new indoor like facility that we're like unveiling and I want to go back to homecoming I just feel like I've kind of been disconnected for a few years and now that I'm retired I realize I can go back yeah so yeah your college football juices are gonna wake up it was also just fun going down on the field seeing like you know I played D-line with Walt Stewart and I was coaching there and like you see the familiar faces like you see like you know the security guy that was on all the buses and like you kind of get flashback to like a previous decade and previous moment in your life.

And it's really cool. So I'm going to try and go back more now. It makes you appreciate it. You just think to yourself like it's crazy how fast time goes. For sure. Because you see all the stuff like you walking on and then obviously having the career that you did. And now you have to look back and be like, holy shit, all this stuff took place in, what,

a 16 year period? And it just went by like that. Yeah. It's over now. But it's cool going back and seeing the familiar faces, for sure. And seeing how it's like changed and progressing. I think it's fun times. What's it like for you?

having all the success that you've had and knowing that you're a walk-on at Cincinnati? I don't know. I don't think about it too. I think that the walk-on honestly helped me, if I'm being very frank. Like, I think it was something right away that you weren't given anything from the get-go and you had to come in and prove yourself and, like, kind of put a chip on my shoulder. So, like, I was the dick hit on scout team that the center. Jeff Ryan-Styler hated.

me because I'll give him a stinger because I'm trying to run through his face and um it it's the worst yeah that's the worst type of guy yeah it's the way i was like it's like i've watched the movie rudy and idolized Rudy so much and then you get to like a certain point you're like rudy's kind of an asshole to some of these guys right respected but yeah right like you're sitting in your like seventh year at the eagles and some guys trying to do that and you're you're not even remembering it's like i'm just trying to get the game day dude my shoulders are fun yeah you're just in shells he's trying to blow us you're like what the fuck are we This is the universe getting it back on me.

But I was a scout team player of the year. I was very happy with that. That's awesome. And so, I mean, I think that it, and then also, if I'd have been a scholarship player, I don't know how I would have handled being told to move to offensive line. Like, I think I was a walk-on. So when I first got proposed that question for like a spring ball, they're like, hey, we want to try out at Center Kels.

I'm like, I just lost like 20 pounds because I got like my 20 pounds freshman weight. up from drinking beers, party and not having to play games. And then over the winter, I had to lose a bunch of weight to try and get back to spring ball at a 235, which is what I wanted to be at. And I'm like, hey, we're going to move you to seminary. Why don't you guys tell me this? I wouldn't have just lost all this weight if you knew. And they knew they were doing it anyways. But yeah, I think, so I went there, had a decent spring at 235 playing center.

And they said, we're going to keep you there. And I don't know if I would have been a scholarship player. If I would have been, I'll just transfer. I'll just go someplace else. or, but they're like, yeah, I said, all right, well, I'm not just going to put 60 pounds on for free. And they're like, okay, well, we'll give you a scholarship. We can't do it in the fall. We'll do it in the winter once we get one freed up.

But if you stay, they'll put you on scholarship. So I don't know. I think it's a lot of ways my career ended up benefiting greatly from being a walk-on. I think a lot of times I see like five-star kids, four-star kids, where they let all these politics and, like, they view themselves as like a line. or a safety or whatever, and it messes with what's in their best interest, which usually coaches see right away. It's like they know most of the time, like this kid's skill sets and attributes are better geared for this.

And sometimes I think when you have, I don't want to say like a big head, but like you have, you come in with all of these expectations. It's hard to get off of those, especially as a young kid. When you, when you go through a winter condition, you're getting all this weight off. And the coaches pull you in like, hey, we want to move you to center. and your conversation is, I don't want to do this for free. Buddy, I was thinking,

we kind of glossed over him being a sophomore, being like, I'm negotiating for a scholarship. You're a walk-on. We all know how kind of walk-ons are treated. Basically, you're first,

for those people that don't know who are watching this, like, the walk-ons come in, and it's like, basically, like, you see the seals do it. It's like, we're going to weed out the week here.

Who really wants to be here and who really just wants to wear the jersey and, like, try to get the girl. Walk-ons, truly, you do as you're told. You do as you're told. For sure.

Yeah, you're like less than the offense alignment. And you're like, and you're getting crud. The coaches are motherfucking, yeah. And like I remember that, that winter, we were doing like winter conditioning. We just had, so Mark D'Antonia recruited me.

He left my first year. And we had Brian Kelly Ketman. And they brought in a complete new offense and completely new coaches. We retained maybe like one or two guys, but it was brand new. And I remember Mike Elston is the tight ends coach. And we're going through winter conditioning. And he's also the special teams guy.

And he is motherfucking me. He's like, you're like crushing me saying like you're not shit and all this right in a good way right like i'm not trying to i like i like my gelson for this but he was trying to figure out who i was and like i freaking made me work my ass off and like i'm freaking busting my ass uh these fucking winter conditioning drills board pushes on the freaking turf they fucking suck you're running stadium steps in some ways I miss it. Like I miss the like agony of going through all that stuff now at the time it sucked.

But then like once you get that respect, it was like there, right? Like I'm running down on kickoff and knee braces as a red shirt freshman. Hell yeah. Like wedge busting. Let's fucking go baby. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.

Yeah, it was it. You, you are the tackling dummy of the team. Yeah. They're just filling spaces to have, you know, all the guys they want. for all the drills I want to do, basically. And once you get the scout team player there, you bring that plaque, you throw on the head coach. That's right.

You know, you know the value. You see the value. You see the value. The effort today. You want me to be a center. That's right. You see that plaque. Boom. So internally, you, you, for your own ego, you hated the move of like,

them wanting you to go to center. Well, I just, I don't know that I hated it. I just had never done it. And I had never thought of myself as an offensive line. And Paul, so the guy who really moved me to offensive line was Paul Longer, the strength coach of Cincinnati. And he had done this with a few other guys. So part of me was excited about, like he did Joe Staley. So he did the same thing with Joe Staley of Central Michigan.

And Joe went out to have a phenomenal career with the 49ers. And I'm like, he had done a few, I've done a couple guys at Iowa as well. And I just felt like he sees something in me. And it was the first bit of like anything from being like a walk on where somebody's like hey like this kid's got like some potential and he like really believed that I could be a great offensive lineman so I wouldn't say that it was like I was not looking forward to it I just had never done it and it was so foreign and then to put that kind of weight on I was just like I'm just going to say this because it seems like they want me to do this yeah I got fuel in the room like they

want me to be a center they think I could progress into this so yeah that's fucking awesome yeah how long do you think it took you to like digest the playbook and a big conversation that yeah we We have this conversation a lot when, like Sue, who episode doesn't come out yet, but talking about how defense is more like, you know the play, but it's more reactionary. Yeah. Off its line. You got to think it's a genius out there. You got to understand, especially at center.

Like tackles, you can have a big, dumb idiot at tackle. At center. He's an athlete. Let him do his thing. But at center, like, there's so much you have to digest. I don't know what Brian Kelly's offense is really like. It was like point, kind of pointing to the direction you guys are going to go. That's it pretty much.

Yeah. Yeah. It's off the point, not off the mic. Yeah. you're zoning into an area, not necessarily a person, which is a way easier. It is. It is. And the spread aspect of it clears the box up. Defenders have to go out. So it was. Makes it real clean.

Yeah. And it was no huddle. So the playbook is condensed by nature of a no huddle offense. So it was a good, you know, welcome to that position. I had a good coach, Jeff Quinn, who ended up being a head coach right after I left at Buffalo for a couple years. and I had a good, I had a lot of great teaching right away. And then it was an easier offense, I would say, from like a mental standpoint. And then also, I think like very, like playing defense helped me play offense align and understand structure and where linebackers are at and why, you know, this guy's over here. Like he should be in this gap.

Like if he's stacking the noseguard, they're probably that safety is either going back or they're going to blitz or all that stuff. Right. Like I understood why, like, I understood why. linebackers would be in certain alignments, and that helped me understand, like, nobody's in this A gap, somebody's going to end up in this A gap, it's either going to be the three technique, or somebody's going to blitz off the edge. And yeah, so I think that helped my transition into the offensive line position. When did you, when you, when did you think like, oh, the NFL is a real possibility for me? Once, probably my junior year, you start, it becomes, at least it became

apparent to me when you're playing with guys that you think I'm just as good as these guys are. then they start getting opportunities in the league. And I think my junior year is when I really started to be a pretty darn good player. And I'm seeing, like, you know, Counterbarwin, you know, Trevor Canfield. There's all these guys of Cincinnati are getting opportunities. And it's like, then agents are calling you. And you're like, all right, I'm going to at least get a shot at doing this potentially. Right.

It's not over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to be able to walk in. I did not think. I was just hoping to at least get an opportunity going. But yes.

When you were going to the NFL, was it, did you think you were going to go higher than the sixth round or for you the entire mentality was? I just needed an opportunity to get in camp. So I didn't know where I was going to go. I had appendicitis at the combine. I did all this work to try and weigh $2.95 at the combine. That was my goal.

And I played in college at $2.80. So I was eating all this food, trying to get my weight up. And then all of a sudden I get sick. I'm throwing up. I shitting my brains out. Like not good stuff. stuff, right? I'm going in between like that railroad or, uh, like meeting hall where all the

coaches are in. Yeah. I'm going with one team going to the bathroom throwing up, going to another team. These are the officials you're talking about, correct? The official visits? Or just like the train station? Just in the train station. Like those. Like I'm like going in and back. Like Detroit's like, hey, come see me next. I'm like yeah, I'll be right there. And then I'm fucking in the bathroom for 15 minutes like shitting. And I thought I had like a stomach bug. I thought I ate some, I had sushi the night before. I'm like, maybe I ate some fucking raw fish that didn't sit well. Yeah. And luckily, Ramley, I felt better the last day, a good enough where I was like,

okay, if I need to run, because this is like the one strength I have. If I don't go out here, if I don't run, I'm not going to be drafted. Yeah. It's over. Yeah. And I go out there, run, do pretty well. What was your 40? 40 was 4.9-2 official.

But you now can look back at that and being like appendicitis, all this. Yeah. I also ran in the wrong cleats. I tried to get, I made the mistake of trying to. get the lightest cleat possible. So I got like this soccer cleat that was like the lightest shoe that had ever been made at that point. It's like Lino-Messie's wearing this thing.

Yeah. Not knowing that like a 290 pound, 80-pound person shouldn't be wearing that shoe. I felt like I was running this thing fucking barefoot. And then I went back and put my old cleats on and then my tires got better in like the shuttle. Still hold the all-time shuttle record, 20-yard shuttle. That's a big deal. Better than the Sean McCourt's 4-14. It's a damn good shuttle.

You got four. What would you get? 4-14. God. Damn. You're pretty good at those. What was yours? What did I get?

Will and I would run shuttles together at Vanderbilt. Yeah? He would like beat me, like edge me out. And he'd be like, you're pretty quick, man. That's kind of my thing. Quick inside the box. The only guy's about that, I got to move back and forth. The only reason I remember my time so well is because after I did it, the guy said

4014. I was like, what was that? Oh, shit. I had to run anywhere close to that. I was like, I'm hoping I'm being the four twos. These are 401 four. Four and four is incredible. Like, yep, I'm not running another one for.

Good for me. When I got to the shuttle, because it's, did you do vert, then 40, then shuttle? I think vert and broad jumper before the 40.

Then we ran the, or maybe broad jump was that, yeah, but that was before. And then the shuttle was at the very end of the workout. My biggest stressor was the 40 because I knew I could run.

Yeah. And once I ran the 40 and I got like, what was your time? A 487. Nice. Big boy moving. Come on. There we go.

It felt good except for the year prior. Like Lane Johnson ran a 4-7. I was like, four seven one. And then Tauron. Toronto Armstead ran like a 4-6-9 or 4-7? Yeah, he ran something crazy. He was also running at like 275, wouldn't he?

Oh, I didn't know that. He had like a crazy, I don't know if it was a weight thing. Yeah. But I looked at Atlanta, I was like, okay, that's the time I have to get. Yeah. But once I got to 4-8, like, kind of after that, I was like, I'm solid. Yeah. I feel so good about today.

The drills are going to be what the drills are. Exactly. By the time I got to the shuttle, I was like, well, I got to get out of here. There is something with the combine of like, if that 40 number is right, you're like, I just nailed this thing. Life, man. Don't even give her about anything. Anything else that's happening. Look at your family girl.

I did it for you guys. We got a dollar there. We made it. It hasn't even happened yet. Yeah. The Combine. I wish I had stories with you guys. Hell of a pro day.

Hell of a pro day. You look at a week in Nebraska. We, we like, so back to why did, um, I feel like I was going to go higher. After that whole thing happened, I weighed 280 because I was sick or whatnot. Found out a week after that. got sick again with the emergency room, had a penititis. And I was just like,

I don't know what's about to happen. Like, I only weighed 280 pounds. I don't remember the last time I got 280 pounds center had been drafted at all. So I was kind of like, I could go as high as like fourth or fifth

or I could be an undrafted free agent. And so I was still frustrated. You know, you're watching all the rounds go by. Like, I'm better than this guy. I should be going here. Like, all that. But once I got the call, was fucking

where were you at where were you at all depth chart wise going into Philly as a six rounder were you at the

bottom? I was in I got a very blessed and again like I got I got into an outstanding

opportunity Howard Mudd had just been with the Annapolis Colts for ever with Jeff Saturday

and he came into Philadelphia and I think he envisioned me being the Jeff Saturday type mold and I think

he wanted me he's since passed away unfortunately, but I really do think he drafted me and thought that I was going to be like the starting center, even in the sixth round. And we had a guy, Jamal Jackson, who had been there for a long time, had been very successful, but was coming off of like a couple injuries back to back. So I think, and then also he was a bigger body with Juan Castile.

Howard wanted to the athletic center to do these sprint draws and screens and things. So I was bumped up very quick in training camp. And this is the lockout year. I didn't even have an offseason, right? So my first day getting the playbook was training camp in Lehigh like two months before the first game. You're like, what the fuck's even going on? Yeah. And like within two weeks, they're starting to rep me with the starters.

So it was like a very unrealistic opportunity that I got awarded very quickly. And who was that center that was there for a long time? Jamal, Jamal Jaze. What was that relationship like? You know, he handled it very well considering it was kind of shitty position for him. He was nothing but great to me. He would help me out in terms of like how to make calls, how to navigate, like crowd noise, like all these things.

And he was still on the team for the whole season. So, Jamal was great. And it was like AQ Shipley was there that year. Freaking Mike McGlynn, I don't know if you guys remember that name at all, but we had a very awesome room. And Jamal was great. How is it going on in your head when you kind of know what's going down? and once you start learning about the politics of the NFL.

What do you mean? Like with you overtaking his spot, just handling it as a guy that is overtaken, kind of the throne and being a young guy and be like, you know, I don't want to rub people the wrong way. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

I just tried to be, I was just trying to play football well and not think about a lot of that stuff. I mean, when you're a rookie, I think you, and I look back now and realize these type of dynamics, but in the time you don't realize it, You're just playing ball and you know. You just hear the 10-year vets being like, got to watch out all these policies.

And you're like, that must be a thing that happens later. You're not realizing you're in it right then. Yeah. And they weren't even talking to me about that at that point. You know what I mean. I think it's, you realize later what an unbelievable opportunity that was and like how that kind of happens throughout the NFL and like draft picks and salaries and things like that and how that all shapes, you know, a lot of the decisions that are made.

But at that moment, I was just like beyond excited to try and play. Yeah. And, you know, it was, Jamal handled it really well, especially considering, like, I don't think he was in a position in his career where, like, he was still trying to play and start. You know what I mean? And that's a very tough position to be in where it feels like I got award an opportunity and they were pushing for me to be the guy. And he was already there. So, I mean, he was great. You were part of the Chip Kelly experience.

Yeah. We're going to get Chip Kelly 2.0 coming up this season. Yeah. Yeah, with the Raiders. What for you, looking back, what were. things that worked what was things that were smoking meers and i also got to ask like what was it like for you know an old line group going through uptempo practices well what you did you get to washington i was there from 13 so you were there for that first game yeah yeah yeah that was like

well the first game like it was like oh shit chip kelly in the NFL that's what i'm saying it's coming it felt like we were going to win the super bowl after that game like one game in the season is like nobody's fucking stop yeah yeah and um you know i think think chip brought a very interesting mindset into the NFL that at that point really had it permeated which is like there was this new spread offense and no huddle and like not even just that but like sports science and like he took the pro the the organization in a direction that I think for a long time when I first got to the NFL like you're still just like lifting machines and like it was like felt like it was dated right and I think a lot of the things that he brought to the NFL

like we still do and now other teams have taken on like RPO's are much bigger part of the NFL league wide and the zone reads now a lot of teams implement them in certain situations even if that's not your bread and butter like I think a lot of the things that he did have revolutionized in a lot of ways some of the ways that the NFL operates but with that there are also a lot of things that we were kind of shooting from the hip and like you know we were going revamping like the schedule and like Saturday before Sunday were like running full speed. As a young guy, I didn't care because I don't really

feel great. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I actually felt good on game day running on Saturday before the game. But then you think about like a 13 year vet who's like got bad knees. He's like, brother, I can't fucking run on Saturday. And then I need my knees to feel really good. That's more important than priming my nervous system. So it was in a lot of ways I really appreciate and enjoyed that tenure. And I think that the Eagles got much better as an organization because of it.

But it was definitely some innovative things that probably in retrospect might change a little bit. Yeah. But yeah. Seems it was before his time a little bit. It was what you're saying. He was on the cutting edge of everything. And I think whenever you do that, you run the risk of, you know, jumping in on something that sounds really good in theory. But if you implement it too fast, you don't think about some of the intended consequences

or ramifications. It's hard to predict those. And some of the stuff was gold. And again, we still ended up implementing. And I think other teams kind of still like now everybody has like a sports science or sport like conditioning person and like GPS monitors. I think we were like the first team doing that in practice. But there's a lot of other things that I think it was hard to get players to buy

into some of them, especially veteran players. And I think in college it was a lot easier to do things with younger people. players. So much more depth. You got like 120 guys. Yeah, 120 guys. You also have kids coming from high school facilities. Yeah, there's less of, there's less ego.

There's less guys that have been doing things. Like, they're more bought in. Like they've only been to one university, at least at that time before the NIL thing. So it's like, it's just a different dynamic. Yeah. It was harder to do some of these things, especially with veteran guys who are like, I've been doing it this way. My whole career.

Why are we now doing this? And understandable. Like, you know, I mean, Jason Peters is like the best tackle in the NFL. It's like, how, he knows. knows how to be good on game day, right? Like, how are we? So it was, it was good. And when we were winning, it was fantastic. Once we started losing, then it became a little bit more of an issue. But I'm excited to see how he does with the Raiders this year. I really think that I'm sure he's learned a lot. And I think he is, by all in sense, I think he's like a very, very smart person.

And I think he's, you know, calculated and savvy. And I'm wishing him and Pete Carroll and all those guys, nothing but success. That division is going to be maybe the most fun to watch. I think about the coaches. I mean, just, you four, like, of the best coaches of the last, like, what, 10, 20 years? Yeah. Like, it's, it's outrageous. And all of the teams have gotten better, starts off right away with the Chargers

and the Chiefs down in Brazil. It's going to be, it's going to be a fun division. Who do you got in that division? I think I got to go, Chiefs. I mean, they're like, plus 100 to win it. Yeah, I, you know, it does feel like now it's popular right now. to kind of say like, oh, the chiefs aren't the same chiefs of old. Very popular.

I think it's a lot. It's very easy to do off of the Super Bowl where it ended like that as well. But they did go 15 and one last year. And they're not, like, they're objectively better, I think, personnel-wise than they were last year. And they won a lot of close games by being just a tight-knit group and having a phenomenal quarterback and head coach and being able to operate to end-the-game scenarios much better than most teams. but until somebody can prove that, like until Baltimore can get this monkey off their back, until the bills can get this monkey off their back, I don't know who in the AFC,

I can, I'm not ready to jump ship on the Chiefs. Yeah. And that's, and I'm saying that, even regardless of my personal connections with the entire coaching staff, Pat, Travis, like, they just like, at some point these guys have some weird thing to them that they know how to win football games. Yeah. And it's, you know, Herbert's got to demonstrate it to me before I started getting on the Charger bandwagon. The Broncos are a little spicy. Broncos are spicy.

Broncos defense was unreal. Last year of the Broncos defense was very, very good. Not as talked about because the team wasn't as successful. Bo Nix going into year two. Listen, again, it's going to be an exciting. It is not, you know, the division is much more competitive this year than it's been in a long time. It's going to be fun. And it'd be crazy for you to not take the chase.

I feel like that'd be bigger than news than your brother getting engaged The coaching staff Everybody, all your friends are saying Honestly, I think they're going to be relaxed this year Fuck damn, I'm taking the chargers That would be tough That would flip the world upside down.

That would flip the world upside down. I didn't want to jump to Andy Reid quite yet, but... Okay. Can I ask one fan question? Go ahead. Just one young fan question. What was it like playing with Michael Vick?

I had never been starstruck up into that moment. Yeah. And the first time at, like, it was like the walkthrough. And I don't even know why I was still in there because I was still with the twos and threes at that point. And it wasn't even just Mike. It was also Vince Young.

And at that point, Vince still had like an aura to him as well. So like my first quarterback room was like Michael Vick and Vince Young. And like, I'm snapping to both of them in like a walkthrough. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? Like Mike puts his hands under my ass. And I'm like, this is a fucking, I've never been happier to have a man's hands out of my butt. It was it was pretty awesome and he's just such a freaking great dude too. Like you know, you meet guys and you always wonder what they're like and Mike was nothing but

like incredible as a teammate. He could, he would throw the ball and I still like I've never seen anybody. I'm like blocking and you could hear like the spin that he would put on the ball. But like there's like last little like finger. I don't know what it was but it was like it was like it would like sizzle. It was crazy. His talent was remarkable. Even at that age, coming out of the penitentiary, all of it.

Like, it was impressive still. That is a crazy thing. He gets out, stretches his arms. How many guys could do that? Sling it, bro. Go take off years. Like him and Mike Tyson, right? Those two guys just came back and kind of got better.

Yeah. Crazy. Because last night I was watching, he was doing like a half-time interview because he's the head guy at Norfolk State. Yeah. And after that, I didn't get to bed until like 120 last night because I stayed up watching top, like highlights of Michael Vick. Giants game, Minnesota, the Vikings game,

seeing him spin it throwing that bomb to Deshawn Jackson. It was like 80 yards. Him and Dijack together was just so lethal because he could throw the ball a mile. And nobody, I've never, I mean, Randy Moss was another great deep ball player, but tracking a deep ball. I it was like he would just like glide it was like effortless and somehow he kicked into another gear it was the best ever at running that now talk about Mike at Norfolk Dijack is at Delaware State yeah they're going to play a game in the link with both of those guys as the head coaches it's just wild did you and I was a teammate of Dijack as well but when I saw that he was a head coached at Delaware State I was like my man Dijack's a head coach of a football team It's happening.

It's all going. Deon changed everything. The NIL changed everything. The NIL deals and like the way that the whole college landscape is is changed it. And Dion was one of the first people to take advantage and realize. I mean, college football is a very weird spot right now where like you're selling the team more as the head coach either to gain money for marketers and advertisers or players in recruiting. And it's that now is being, is able to be much more a part of building a team than it ever. ever was. And it feels like a lot of the teams, especially the lower two teams that have been

able to replicate some of this stuff, have realized that. And I mean, listen, Dijak is one of the best players of all time. He's built a staff there with a bunch of former NFL guys that know what they're doing. And he's selling the program. And he's got more buzz around it than they've probably ever had in the history of their, like, right, college. So I don't know. I think it's fun. And I can't wait to watch it. I can't, I can't either. I can't wait to watch a documentary

about this time in college football 10 years from now. For sure. It is going to be, because it really is the Wild West. Like there's so much money being thrown around. You know,

who's getting one. These guys have like, you see like Rayola, he's getting $3.1 million in NIL this year. But that's just what the school's getting. What other sponsorships? What are the things are they grab him? And you think they're making more

in the other stuff, right? Or is it less? You think so. At least for Riala maybe. It depends on the fan base. It depends on like the resources. And they're trying to put a cap on that, right? I think they are.

They just did, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is one of those first, like, this past draft is like one of the first times you're looking at these kids. Like, Shador is a great example of he made $5 million last year. And now it's being $547,000. Yeah. You know? And it's just like, it's just nuts of how college really turned into like a minor league NFL now.

For sure. Which I kind of love. No, I think it's great. I mean, I think they're still figuring out the Kings. Like there's some negative drawbacks. I don't like the guys can transfer twice a year. I wish there was like a little bit of a commitment to a university. I don't think it should be what it was.

It feels like now, before the colleges had all the power and the players had nothing and they didn't get paid at all. And now it's completely reverted to like the players have like almost all the power now. You can transfer whenever you want. It feels like there can be like some middle ground that's probably in the best interest of everybody. But this first, what we had, I mean, I think this is much better. Yeah. It's objectively better than what it was.

We're like guys, you know, especially guys like tour their ACLs and they were like unbelievable guys in college and they should have been able to capitalize on that. I mean, it's it's it was unfair then. It's a much more fair system now. Right. And I think that we can continue to make this better moving forward. I think what it's missing though is exactly like what you two are wearing right now. Like you're all Cincinnati Bearcat out. You're all Nebraska.

Like you're going to have like five to 10 guys on a team that play all four years. all three years because they're just absolute studs like Jeremiah Smith for Ohio State. He's not leaving Ohio State. He's going to make a billion dollars and he's going to be a, you know, a top five pick. And so he's going to have the pride of Ohio State. But a lot of these guys that transfer, I mean, they're coming in. They're standing in front of the team telling them, you know, yeah, they're hiring guns.

They're signing bonus what school they went to. That's 15 minutes to talk about all the damn teams they've been to. Yeah. So you're kind of losing like, oh, for sure. College football is, which is what we got to see last night. Yeah. You know. For sure.

I don't know where to go. Yeah. Yeah. His hamps just leaving the wheel right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All good. The lights went off for a second. So, yeah, Michael Vick was great.

Yeah. Dude, we had it. And so was Dijack. I mean, I think. Dude, Dijack would come. Again, you talk about tracking the ball. It's like he'd run back to the huddle and you just hear him. I remember one time in OTAs and he's just telling Kirk.

He's like, bro, just throw it as far as you can. Like, I'll find a way. I'll get to it. Seriously. Legitimately, his speed was crazy. I don't know that I've ever, I don't think I ever saw him get overthrown. Like legitimately. I don't,

I, maybe there's a clip out there somewhere. Yeah. I don't remember ever seeing it. And it was like, it was, no matter where you put that ball up, he,

it was legitimately like a center field or track of a baseball. And he was so good at it. Yeah. It was, it was again, like the best players, I feel like,

just make it look effortless. It didn't even look like he was trying to run fast. He was just like floating across the grass. Right. Yeah. Anyways.

We had Hallie Roseman on the pub. When we were out in Philly, we got to see her for a little bit after he was, just, I think it was like a day after you dyed your beard. It was like, I walked in to go to the bathroom and he's sitting there. He's on the phone. I wasn't going to bother him.

And he says what's up. And when I got done going, going potty, I come back out and I'm just like, Body going potty. It's a great word. It's a crazy turn. I was like, you know he's got young kids. You're working potty out. Like I see, I see he dyed the beard.

And he's like, God, he was going to, he like had it on mute. And he was like, too long of a story. Yeah, I died my beard. Long story. I'm very insecure about the fact that I died my beard. Yeah. Like the opposite. Like I didn't die because of my insecurity.

Now I'm insecure because I died. And I can't wait for it to grow back out. You get the grace coming in. They're coming. It'll be here quick. Yeah. Be here quick. Yeah.

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And he kind of gave a little bit of a breakdown about when Chip came in, gave Chip more responsibility so they took Howie they moved him all the way across the other building didn't fire him yeah he was kind of like a lost soul in the building and then he came back and obviously putting like we went to camp and he's like every position group you look at there's aliens so how he's obviously doing his job yeah we broke down to a j brown like talks me about your relationship with him and how much howie yeah with howie what you saw when chip uh with all this stuff happened with chip and then when he came back into the fold i mean howie howie has always been like a meticulous like always working like relentless GM right and I think that like the best coaches I know the best players I do they all have like this underlying thing of like they just like do not stop they're unbelievably passionate about what they do and there's a relentlessness that separates him and then how he's also just he like did like his college thesis or something like that on the salary cap like he knows all this stuff so well in and out and he would do you guys know how he got him the league do you go over that with you guys he didn't he was like he was like emailing

Tannenball. He would like do like cold call email so like just trying to get into building. So he worked his ass off to climb up and get into a like an occupation that most people would have given up way before that. And I think when Chip came in and they gave Chip a lot of the power and making personnel decisions and everything, they moved Howie to the side of the building. When he came out it was like another, it was like a renewed sense of urgency which is like he already had it but it was like

magnified and he he was putting in all sorts you could tell even when he was over in that building even though he didn't have control within the team he's like if I get this opportunity to get that control back I'm making these moves right here I like Joe Douglas I want to he was already trying to figure out where are we struggling at how can I immediately improve the team and I mean it just I felt like he shifted a lot of his philosophies and player evaluation like how he was building a roster and all of that stuff in that time frame. He was continuing to grow.

And then when he got his opportunity again, he freaking hit the ground run. And we, I'm trying to think like the first moves we made, but it was like right about, he got rid of, I think Byron Maxwell was on like a contract that was like pretty outrageous

and he was coming off of a bad year. And then there's a, there's another contract. And right away he finds ways to like offload these contracts, bring in other guys. Like he was, he has a way of making deals happen. I mean,

the AJ Brown one is like such a well-known one where it's like, how the fuck did you do this? Right. And even when we've had down years, we've rebounded so quick. And I do think a big reason for that is like how he somehow knows how to like manipulate these things quicker than I think other GMs and teams can. And I'm trying to think we had a linebacker, Kiko Alonzo. Yeah. It's just like when it's not working out and not trying to throw shade to any of these guys. Like it's just not happening.

a lot of times you get these you're under a contract how do you get rid of this guy without like cutting him or like having to eat that number and it felt like he somehow would like make these moves and it's like how did you get these guys

after that year be interested at that number and he was just really good at a lot of this stuff yeah him bringing down the AJ Brown trade and talking about how between like picks 12 and 14 like the deal was in place but they had to get AJ's like contract done in that whatever 20 minute span and he just the way he just operated

and got it done knowing like this is the move And I don't remember there being any noise about that. Like typically when something like that happens on game day, like there's like leaks of like, hey, the Titans might be moving AJ. Maybe there was. And maybe I just wasn't aware of it. There was a little bit of talks.

Like there was like a press conference with Mike Vrable. And they asked like, AJ Brown, is he an option? And he's like, as long as I'm the head coach, AJ Brown will be on this football team. Yeah. So you shut it down right away. Yeah. And then three days later or whatever.

Yeah, draft night. And then you see him get up and he kind of like does one of these. And you're like, oh, Braves didn't like that at all. He did not like that at all. Because I'm on like with Adam Lefko doing like a whole draft thing. It comes down across the ticker while I'm live on air. I'm like, I didn't even know this is a fucking like, they kept this so quiet. Yeah.

And like how quickly he had to operate that in. And I mean, the dude just does not leave any stone unturned. He is always like trying to figure out a way to maximize value, whether it's from like a contract standpoint, like a personnel standpoint in the building. like he's maniacal. He's relentless in like his pursuit to do all that stuff. And yeah. With, in your last years, what was your relationship like with Howie? Like when you're getting to those years, is Jason going to retire?

Is he going to come back? Like, what is that relationship like with the GM? You did a good job of milking out. I think it was like three years in a row. It's like, is he going to go? He's going to stay. It was good because I was actually thinking about it and it ended up working out to like a benefit of just, like, wondering deals.

Yeah, yeah. It benefited everybody. I think the Howie was great to me and I think he really valued me, Fletcher, Brandon Graham, and now Lane Johnson, his guys that had had been there for a long time. And this is one thing that I think the Eagles did a great job of. They, whenever they like are shifting, like I played for four different head coaches. All of us did. And how many, not only did four of us play for over a decade together, but we did it through

like four different coaching regime changes. Like it's like crazy that through all. this turnover, they kept semblances there as long as they did. And I think when you just try to overturn everything, like you sell shop on the head coach and you're like, we're going to revamp this roster and you try and do it all at once. You lose sometimes the chemistry and the camaraderie and things that happen within the building that are really important. And it's a credit to Jeffrey and Howie and how they've changed things. But at the same time, we have like a continual not like train of thought, but like a, there's like a, there's like a link between all of those

eras because they've kept pieces in place or coaches. Like Jeff Stoutland's been through three different coaches. Duce Daley was there for three different coaches. Like they've always kind of changed, but also kept certain pieces around to kind of try and keep the locker room and culture and like what it is to be on the Eagles, like, kind of there, if that makes sense. So Howie took care of me Like I

I never felt like I was underpaid He found a way to make the numbers work And like whatever freaking You know It's like a signing bonus here A roster bonus there That's what I watch other teams And they can't figure out stuff with certain players

I'm like I don't ever remember that being an issue with Howie Like I feel like he always is like Okay you want this All right I'll figure out a way to get you That or close to it where you're happy And then just structure it this way

so that the team benefits from how it's structured. And it feels like he does that better than anybody else. And he did that all my last career. Like, let's say the top of the center market, my last couple years, like 12 to 14 a year was like the number. I might make like nine on the books. But I earn it all. I'm still getting 12 to 14 for one year of work.

It's just structured in a way that it's happening in being spread out over two, three, four years. And I just feel like he has this understanding of the salary gap and way of like thinking into future and like planning that I think a lot of teams just don't do as good of a job. Were you ever close to leaving the Eagles? Yeah, 16. The year before the Super Bowl. I had a really bad start to the year. I played against the Cleveland Browns had an awful game.

Danny Shelton beat the fuck out of me. He's done. And I played. I didn't have a great game against Chicago. I played well against Pittsburgh, but had like a couple plays. So like the media narrative had already been that like Kelsey's struggling this year. I end up finishing the season really well. But there was all sorts of news on, you know, is Kelsey going to get traded?

Is he going to get cut? Are they going to move on from them? And like some of the stuff when it like comes out, you know it's coming from the Eagles, right? Like it's like they're going to like the Eagles are going to trade Jason Kelsey for Mark Ingram. I'm like, that's not coming from New Orleans. Like this is the Eagles trying to like put this out here right and listen I didn't play well like it wasn't like it sucks when you're going through it but objectively I didn't have a great year and thankfully Jeff Stoughtlin I think he was like the one guy in the building that was still like no Kel's is still the guy like he just needs to fix his technique do these things like he did it for the second half of the year and he played really well like I still think that he can be the guy and And it's like him and, oh my gosh, I'm blanking. Yeah, I mean, he's pretty much the reason why I still was there in 2017.

And then I had the best, I personally had the best year of my career in 2017 and the Eagles on the Super Bowl. It was like a fucking crazy shift of offseason. I was like, could not have gone better. Yeah. So, yeah, it was very close. It was very close. And I had, listen, I did not play well that year. I put a lot of work in that offseason,

started doing some different things, technique-wise. I also think I started to struggle a little bit early in that year because we went from this no-huddle offense, back to a huddle offense. And I got away with a lot of things in the no-huddle offense with bad hand placement and things because you deal with like the de-linement's fatigue. And then all of a sudden, like, they have more energy

because the pace is slower. And these technique things that really probably would have manifested earlier are now being magnified. because Danny Shelton's not tired, right? And now I'm going out here with hands like this and a 350-pound person's putting the head of my chest. That's not a good recipe. It never is.

So it ended up being like the best thing that ever happened. And like I had all of my personal accolades other than like one or two pro bowls came after that year. And I played much better as a player after 2016 as a result. When you go ahead. I was going to, I was going to, I was going to ask about the retirement thing again. Do you have another one?

No, no, I was going to the Super Bowl and the Wins' Nick thing. But go ahead. My question was going to be, what were the conversations like when you were retired? Was there offer on the table for you to come back? The Eagles allure is the rumors out there is you had a $9 million offer on the table for you to come back if you were to return. Is that a lure? I think so. Are you making this up right now?

I'm not. You didn't hear? I think the Eagles would have found a way. way to have me back again if I would have wanted to. And at that point, like, if I wanted to play, I wasn't going to play for another team anyways. And this is where, like, it's weird late in your career where it's like, I was still getting good money, but, like, if I, I wasn't going to go any place else.

Like, I would have taken way less. And they were still taking care of me. So I was like, this is really nice you guys. It's like, I don't know if you know, but I'll play for like five million because I still want to play football. But I think the, I just, I think everybody knew that I was, I think everybody knew that I wanted to retire and it never got to a point that contracts were even discussed. So I don't know if there wasn't offer there, but I do think that if I would have wanted to come back, the Eagles would

have found a way to make it work. Gotcha. Maybe I made it. When you retire, Seaconne Barclay comes back in. He is starting to have the year he is. When they win the Super Bowl, is there a PC that's like, fuck, I should have just done one more. I mean, listen, I think when you watch your team, when you're like won the season away from it, you're like, man, I could have been a part of that. You do, that does go through your head. But I really don't think I would have made it. My body was like firmly like I'm done, man. Like it was hard at that point to get through practice during the week.

They had already like taken Wednesdays off of my shoulder. I was still struggling to get back for Thursdays. And I felt the decline happening, right? I felt even though it might not have manifested to everybody else, like I felt myself getting weaker. I felt myself not blocking guys as well. So I just, I didn't want to be a guy that hung on and tried to play until the very last moment. I really wanted to be like, okay, I don't think I can do this anymore.

I can't play or do it the way I want to or at the level I want to. And I'm going to stop before this thing really takes a nosedive. And I think it would have that year. I don't think my body was going to make another year. When you talk about just like your strength, everything, all the things you don't want to play that long, how impressive is it to you about Jason Peters? Dude, I think is he still playing? It's insane.

I mean, if they offered him a contract, you would. I mean, he would bet. I don't know. He loves football, man. And that dude still the most, like, gifted, like, person that, and maybe it's just because I was a rookie when I first came in. And he's doing a one-on-one with, like, Trent Cole. And the way he, like, jumped out of his stance, I was like, what in the fuck is that?

Like, it was, like, and Howard was a jump-set and guy, and he would teach the tackles I'd be very aggressive at pass pro. And this dude did like a standing broad jump and just engulf Trent Williams. And I was like, I don't know. I don't think I can play in this league. And then I watched like the next couple guys going, I'm like, okay, I can do it. So everybody's not him. Yeah.

Yeah. It was. He did an amazing job of getting out of his stance. Like he would explode out and he would be at the spot before the guy took two steps. And JP played for a long time. I really think it's really unfortunate because that's a Super Bowl year. He tore his ACL. If he went to tour his ACL, he probably,

would have continued to have just like amazing success. That was kind of like the moment where it like he came back from it, but you know, at that age having an ACL tear, it's hard. And the fact that he played that many years after that, like he was, he was just like a one of one dude.

The strength, the explosion, the, like he wasn't like a X's a nose guy, but his instincts for the game were like fucking incredible. I love that. You know what I mean? Like,

he would be like, we would have like an alert call for like pressure off the edge or something like that. And I look out there and think we're all good and JP like, like, give me the tip that it's a pressure. I'm like, how the fuck is he seeing this? He's out of the end was tighter and like little things like that like that. I don't, I don't know. I know that doesn't sound amazing, but like he would constantly do that. And he would make decisions in the middle of a play that like ended up usually being the right decision even when it's not the way the plate was drawn up. Yeah.

He was a football player. Right. No one's going to enjoy this question. but what are one of those examples of him changing something up in a play? Because to me, I'm just changing something. I'm talking like, let's say we got like a jet motion going across the formation. And we're expecting zone and we think that everybody's going to bump. They don't bump.

The guy runs. And sometimes guys will go too far thinking they've got to push the point to a linebacker that they think is then going to become in this A gap, right? Right. you just know that because this backer didn't move out of that gap, they're not bumping. And I think a lot of tackles or players get really regiment into, this is my rule on the play. This is what I'm supposed to do. And JP had the savviness to like know that, like, listen, I'm, I'm hitting this angle.

And if that guy doesn't move, I'm going to stay here. And I don't even know if he, like, was cognitively thinking like that. I just think he knew football. You know what I mean? Like, he knew space and part of it. He played special teams when he's young in Buffalo. and he played tight end in college. So I think when you have like a more well-rounded

view of football and offense and structure and space and where you're at in the field, he just was very, very good in a lot of those regards. I feel like with the offensive line, like you get so used to rules and how players are supposed to be beaten your head so much that common sense kind of like you lose it sometimes. Or guys get so regiment and so black,

like, this is my job. If he does this and I do that. But it's like at the end of it, It's like if this guy's in the gap, that's the guy. That's your take. That's your guy. Yes. And a thousand.

And you need the rules because you need the structure and you need to have like responsibilities and whatnot. But sometimes a lot of players, especially high IQ guys, can get bogged down with that. Right. Dude, just play fast. You're way overthinking this right now. Exactly. My brother, it's funny we're talking about because Trave and I were talking last night and he gave me some goal. Andy gave him, Andy Heck the Offender Line coach for the Chiefs.

It's like they're running some counter player or something like that. It's like, oh, what happens if like the backer's in that gap? Like, I know I'm supposed to go outside, but like if he's in here and Andy's like, you'll make the right decision. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. That is awesome. Because I had a, my first couple years with the Titans, like, I had a coach that was like,

you do you follow the rules. Yeah. Like I have an answer for everything. You follow the rules. So 2016, Russ Grimm comes in who played for the Redskins for a long time. Yeah. And I've told the story so many times, but he just his ability to get me to relax on the rules. Yeah.

Like, what do you have on stutter? I'm like, well, if it's a, you have to three techniques, then I'm going to deduce to the backside linebacker, who's the mic, but if not, then I'm going to go through. And if the end, he's like, no, no, no, no. Hey, basically close your eyes. Go to 11 o'clock. There you go.

Yeah. That's the guy you run into. And being able to be freed of all the rules and regulations that's going to have to take place. Yes. It was massive for my career. Well, then you just go back to being an athlete and being a football player. Yeah, just need to run around.

The coaches that can really dumb it down and make it have like that little mechanism that snaps a guy into just being a player. is, I think, the best coach is. Jeff Stalans like that. So was Howard Mudd. Howard Mudd would say some of the most outrageous things. Like, this is a guy that coached multiple Hall of Famers. He played in the league for a long time.

And, like, his pass blocking technique was, go out there and shake his hand. He's like, what are you talking about? How is I get into the position that you would shake his hand and you'll be in the perfect position to block him. It's kind of genius. He's like, how do I block a three technique? He's like, how do you walk through a door? And I'm like, what the fuck does that have to do with the pretext me, Howard?

That is a crazy. That's a crazy. He was fucking so funny. And how do you walk through a door? Yeah. It was just like an outlandish human being, but he was great. And he was low-key a genius in some of the things he would say. And he would give everybody like little mechanisms.

Like, so like we used to call it like being in the Matrix, right? You're struggling, having a bad game. And you're overthinking. It's like, oh, you took the wrong pill. Like you're in the area that you don't know. where you're at right now, brother. And Howard would, he would have each guy have like this little mechanism. Like, if you're ever in that moment, like, for somebody, it might be like two hands

of the throat. Next set, just go there, put two hands on the guy's throat. For me, it's like, just hop. I'm like, just hop. He's like, just hop. And, but it would get you out of, like, overthinking it. And it would get you back to just like, hey, let's just focus on one very minute thing and then just play ball.

And I think that's a very underrated part of coaching is like the mental side of it. knowing how to get guys out of their own head. Is he given you, like, the hop as, like, your cue, or is that something you would do? That was his technique for undersized centers. It's a mule kick. Yeah. Yeah.

So he, his whole thing with me is, like, whenever I was struggling, most of the times it was power. So he's like, just get your two hands on them and hop. Like, don't even over, like, you're way overthinking this. Just do that. Now, it doesn't always work, right? You're passing off a game and your two hands underneath hopping, like, it's not going to go very well.

but it was really good on average. It really did benefit. And it got you out of your own head, which was the purpose of it. And I'm trying to remember. There was another thing I was going to say there about Howard. But, yeah, his whole thing with pass blocking was just, and I still use this with guys, especially new guys.

Like we had a guy, oh, my God, Holland. I can't remember his last year. Massive guy with the Eagles this year in camp. And from Ruckers, played D-line, he's playing an offensive line. He's figuring things out. and asking me like pass blocking questions and like footwork

and hand plays something I was like I said brother did you play basketball they just go play basketball like the quarterback's the hoop and just stay in front of this motherfucker that's not that's you're you're thinking about

way too much just getting into that relationship anyways so basketball play basketball I feel like basketball is a big like coachism that's always said

well because it's relatable most players at some point basketball basketball yeah and like for at least the quarterback like if you understand how to be for a new guy who doesn't understand the relationship you need to be in with a player having that frame of mind of like the hoop is at seven yards and right here and you're just trying to force him away from that like

don't think about what foot is back and what hand you're punching with yet like just get into the proper body position and then we can focus on that other stuff yeah you've gotten to you mentioned getting to play for four different head coaches uh what What makes like, thinking about Siriani and Coach Reed, because you got to play for both of them. Yeah. What makes them each good and unique in their own right, getting to play for guys like that?

So it's really hard for me to like analyze Andy Reed because I was with him for my first two years. And even my second year, I was hurt for all of it. So like I wasn't at the stage yet where I was like analyzing the head coach and like had the frame of reference to truly know it. Like being a full leader. I'm the guy on the team.

And when I got there, Andy had already had a decade of going to NFC championship games, went to a Super Bowl. So, like, he was already established as one of the best coaches in the NFL. So there was an aura about Andy that, like, this is one of the best coaches in the NFL. He's a very, like, stoic guy. So, like, when you would do something, I think when he gave you, like, that sugar, like, you did a good job, it felt real good. Because it was, like, so sparse that he would give it out, right? and he had a way about him where like he was like a tough hard-nosed guy but at the same time loved his players and he was able to infuse that and it's a really hard line to walk because usually either guys are like overly friendly with the players or they're overly hard asses on the players and he had has just a as good as I've seen a way of maintaining discipline maintaining like like people are afraid of Andy you know what I mean and but they also like loved him and like wanted

to please him because of like who he was and like how he would fall on the sword and impress conferences and how he would handle himself and how he talked to you in the middle of a game like he's just he's a very unique person yeah that I think is unanimously almost unanimously loved by like every player that's right from and that's extremely hard to do yeah um and then nick is i mean he was young and just like the amount of energy and i talk about this we talked about it with howie I think about it with defense. I really like this relentlessness is like a big like

thing that I believe in like the guys that are the best at everything just like they just like do not stop or get tired or like like Vannebosch in Tennessee like that dude would never stop rushing the passer and I think

Nick right away he's just like the amount of energy he attacks every single day with every single meeting out on the field. He's always trying to improve. He's doing this not just with players, with other coaches. He just has this way about him

that is a driving force, and I think the players really respect that. Love it. I did almost bring up the 2017. Everyone's broke down the Carson Wins and Nick Fulst thing, and that's great. And we'll probably get into a little bit about that,

but more than anything I need to know. Is it true? I don't know what we're talking about. Oh, you know. You know. 2017? In 2017. 2017.

Nick Bowles. Oh, no, that's definitely true. Really? Yeah, yeah. And you're the first player to just fully be like, yes, that is correct. No, Connor Barwin was. Was he? So this is a great story.

Connor, somehow it had started to get out there. And I don't know if it was somebody at barstool, but somebody asked Connor Barwin and he confirmed it. And we just so happened to me at a golf outing like the next week. and the whole offensive line is playing. Nick came, his dad came in. And we get it done, and this whole thing had just hit the story,

like the news waves. And we're getting off the course, me and Connor rode together, so we hop in my truck. And as we were, like, driving away from the course, Nick's dad, like, waves us down. And we pull up and lower the window. He's like, hey, uh, hey, Connor,

I just want to thank you about saying all those nice things about my son. This is fucking awesome. It was, um, Oh, Larry was a gem right there. But yeah, no, he's, most of the time when there's a, what's the, the myths are that prevalent. There's a, there's some truth behind him for sure. I love that. I mean, what a unique set, like St. Nick and Big Dick Nick.

And it couldn't happen to a like more, it couldn't happen to like a more humble, just like great human being. Dude, yeah. With, what is it, with great, whatever? comes great responsibility. Nick is nailing that. Great powers come great responsibility. That's right. Nick is Spine.

Yeah. Dog. I mean, yeah, good for him. Yeah. Good for Nick. Yeah. That's amazing. Friend of the show.

Friend of the show. I got to hang out with him for a day last year. So since we're boys, I'm thinking, friend of the show. Okay. Future friend of the show. Future friend of the show. Friend of myself. I remember Nick coming on.

I guess it's going bad for my brain. And he's a tremendous dude, a tremendous teammate. And he was a great player. I mean, obviously the Super Bowl, 52 the game he had I mean Tom Brady had the best game of his career against us and lost solely because Nick like played his

ass off yeah he outshot the best quarterback in the history of the game in the biggest stage possible and like it's pretty fucking awesome to have that on your belt 100% something else that's really awesome like Lane Johnson

obviously he's 99 this year he's had a lot of peaks in valleys through his career whether it was the PED thing or the anxiety I think that, but when I go to look at clips about Lane or just on my algorithm, I've seen him consistently talk about you from being something that he could lean on, like the relationship you guys have, he helped you through a lot of stuff. Like, what was it like for you watching Lane go through that stuff? And what were some things you did to help him? Well, I mean, I just, you just try and

be there for him. I mean, I don't, I'm not a, especially like the mental stuff. I'm not like a mental health like expert. I don't know how to do it. But you just try and be a good teammate and be there for your buddy. And, you know, Lane, to anybody that knows him or has interacted with him, like one of the most well-intentioned human beings ever been around in my life. He is such a good dude and he operates that way continuously. And we were very young together when we both were there. I was in my third year. He was coming in as a rookie. And we were there for so long together. And in a lot of ways, you know, when all the changes are happening throughout the building and you go through that much, like, struggle and adversity and pain with each other on both of our ends.

You know, he saw me go through 2016. He's like, I don't know if Kelsey's going to be back. And, like, so I think we both saw a lot of that throughout our own careers and we both have persevered through it. And we did a lot of that together. And I think that that always brings people closer. Like, the good times are great. But when you're going through the shit with people and they don't give up on you and they freaking ride with you, that's when real bonds are made. Lane is about as close to a brother that I would ever say. And like, I mean, he's just like such a great dude. And like, I don't know, there's many people on the planet that I trust more in Lane Johnson. For your, when it comes to leadership, when did it start, when did you start

becoming like a vocal guy? Were you always that way? Because I feel like getting more in the back half of your career, especially you have the icon. Super Bowl parade when you're on the mic and then I've the camera finds you when you're having tough moments in the season and you're giving the uh the team a speech or a talk about what the week's going to be like was that always something that that you had or was that something you once you felt entrusted as I am the leader I need to step up and say something I think that it's it's both I think that I've I think I've always had a knack for that even in high school I certainly got better at it as I went along.

Like high school was like remember the Titan style. You know what I mean? And then as you get older, you have more like emotional awareness of things and you start to think about it in a lot more sappy ways in some regards. But I think in the O-line room, I had a lot of that earlier in my career.

And then as you get older and you become a more veteran guy, then you start getting afforded opportunities to talk to the team more, right? Like it's hard to, you're not going to go that as like a six round pick. Right. Like, these guys,

shut the fuck up, man. Like, I got you. But I think, um, you lead in a different way. When you're young, you lead by your example and your effort and your energy. And then as you get older and you get entrusted more with guys have seen you replicate success over and over again and they want to hear what you're saying.

Then it's like, now let me freaking speak my mind of what I think. And that mostly the team stuff and like talking more is like a, like a vocal leader. I think probably happened after the 2017 season because, And part of it's a Super Bowl parade speech probably, but I think also is like I had the best year of my career that year too. So I combined, like had a really good season and then a good speech. And then all of a sudden now I'm doing like pregame speeches before we come out of the locker room.

Right. And we talked about like retirement. Like that's kind of, and I was great at those. And guys are getting fired up. And then all of a sudden like, I'm in like year 13. I'm like, fuck, I got to get this fucking speech right now. Like I'm trying to get like, how do I get excited to do this? and I'm looking up shit online.

I'm like looking up wrestling promos and shit. Like I got to fucking and it got to the point where like even just doing that would exhaust me to try and go play football. And like that's another thing where I was like, dude, I just don't think mentally I got this anymore. Like it's hard brother. Stereani walks in.

He's like team keys and he's like, Jason, you have the floor? And he just walks away. Nick would do a really cool thing, especially back then where he would give like a guy like a moment to talk in front of the team and multiple guys get those opportunities. And I think it was really good because it gave ownership to the guys, right?

And we had done that as an offensive line, even that 2017 year where in the like run meeting the day before the game, like the tight end running back O line where we'd go over like Blitz pick up and run and stuff. The last meeting right before the game, Stout would have one guy go up there each week. It would be a new guy and they would go up and talk and they could say whatever they wanted. And I like just love you. You hear some gold from like Jay Ajai to Lane Johnson. to Jason Peters, like whoever went up there and talked, it would be like specific to them, but it was, in my opinion, like, it's just like a level of like creating ownership that I don't

think really was there before that. And Brent Selleck was the first guy to do it. And he kind of called that we were going to be a great team before anybody was really picking us to be. He's like, guys, I've been around the league a long time. I've seen a lot of talent and do not waste this opportunity. We got a really good team. I went his first year, he's like, I went to the NFC championship game and we lost and I just thought we'd be right back there the next year and I haven't been back since. And it just like hit everybody real hard in the moment and we just kept doing it after that. I don't know if they still do it, but it was I always love those little, hey, let's have. And then it would be like the back out of like the six man off.

We're out of guy. So then now the six man off his line is like, what's Matt Pryor going to say or what's this guy going to say? and you hear like a different frame of reference and perspective about what's happening from those guys, which is sometimes even better. So, yeah. You make it sound like was it not just football? Was it also like their life experiences? A lot of it ended up being, it was different for different guys.

Some guys are more open to like sharing like life experiences and stuff like that. Some guys just want to keep it pretty bare bones of football. But a lot of it was like, you know, how they got there, what drives them, what motivates them, why they love football. Like stuff like that. I love that. I do too. A couple years ago people are talking about there's a script. NFL has a script and they've made like a big joke out of it.

It's awesome. And everyone kind of like, yeah, it's not real. Scripts aren't real. Yeah. But it's pretty interesting that you decided to start a podcast with your brother and both of you and going to the Super Bowl that year. It feels like we've been living in a script. It seems like you're in your mind.

What in your mind was like you're getting towards the end of your career. And obviously everyone wants to think about what they're going to do next when it's kind of getting closer and closer what made you decide on doing a podcast well you talk about lightning in a bottle lighting in a bottle yeah no it was crazy like if there's going to be the conspiracy theorist like the jfk people out in dallas like they're going to point to jason and trav and be like that's why the script exists yeah that is could not a picture crazy coincidence yeah is it giddell main sponsor plead the fifth so we uh yeah i mean Travis is we had talked about doing a podcast or like doing some type of media thing together for a long time and Travis's team kind

of approached us with the podcast idea and we were kind of like always nervous about it because I got you know what if the season isn't going well then you're like out there you're talking and quite honestly I know Travis has giving you guys this sugar before but like seeing you guys do it really well with Bussin seeing Pat McAfee seeing um um uh draymond green and like all these guys are having success and doing this pot I mean Draymond a draymond I think year before I just wanted NBA title. He's in the playoffs and dropping pods.

Yeah. Like right after the game. So like I think that there was like a sense that hey there's guys out here who are doing this having success and it's not a detriment to the team and in some ways

it's working out better. Right. So we decided to kind of try it out and see how it went and we hit lightning in a bottle yeah the first year. Luckily there wasn't a lot of bad to come on the podcast about it.

I mean that's what it's fun when you're a player. When you're winning, it's a very fun thing to do. It's the exact opposite of how our started. We started ours. I had a PED. I was suspended for four games. We were two and four to start.

It was fucking terrible. I'm not even on a team. Yeah, it was just like, all right, I got to do his intro today. It is hard. When you're two and four and like, you know, the fans want answers and then you're trying to give them like legitimate answers, but also be respectful and like keep it like, you know, not throw teammates under the bus and not give away. information or anything like that and it's uh it's a tightrope to walk and i do think it was good

what year were you guys in when you guys started yours 19 was our first year 18 is when we met yeah so you're right you're right you're right 2019 so how many years had you guys had in at that point like six what we years in the NFL uh i was going into six you were going to seven seven yeah yeah six and seven i worry so i think that it's good to be a little bit more veteran to try and do it sometimes because I think you have a better understanding of like everything that guys are going through in the NFL. Right. And I think that.

And you have a better understanding of just the dynamic too, even with whether it comes from the staff, your teammates. And people in the building trust you more. There's more like established relationship. But I don't know, I don't think I would have done a good job if I would have been young trying to do that. I think I would have said something that would have pissed somebody off. I would have said something that would have pissed the family.

off. You know what I mean? I wouldn't have had the emotional awareness of like what to say and I still don't. I still say stuff that piss the people off but it would have been a much higher percentage if I was starting that younger. Yeah, you'd have been slapping phones out of hands much soon. Oh, God damn. Oh man. Yeah, that was

a rough one. That was a rough one. That's why we got Dutch here now. Yeah. That's why we got Dutch in over there. Dutch is just yadded those sleeves on. God damn right. He'll break every phone out here. That's right. professional. But dude, yeah, that first year and just you guys both ending up in the Super Bowl,

I think it was also a fucking awesome year for your parents. Yeah, especially your mom. Especially mom. Mom got a lot of the noise and deservedly so. She put up with a lot of shit from us for a long time. She became like a focal point for like, I think moms everywhere and especially moms of like athletes. Yeah, that was one of the best parts about that season was the glow of.

of Donna Kelsey for sure. Yeah. She killed it. I got to make more cookies than I think she's probably ever made, which she enjoyed. How did she handle all the eyes on her? Because you get to the Super Bowl, I feel like you guys are in all the commercials. Yeah. She's on, you know, late night TV shows.

She is so who she is at this point. I don't think it's going to affect her as much. I mean, she's not like a media trained, savvy individual, but, you know, she's a good-hearted woman from Cleveland, Ohio that loves her kids. And I don't know that any amount of commercials are going to change that. Amen, dude. I feel like it's one of those things too.

Like if I could put myself in the shoes of your parents, it's the haze in the barn for the most part. Like they're older. They don't care about what the world's thinking. They're just so proud. Like how cool would it be? You're just like a kid seeing your kids. You have two sons and they're playing in the Super Bowl.

Two of them arguably the best at their positions. And they've accomplished all this stuff. And you're seeing all the success. It's like people, you know, reach out. Would you come on this? You come on this? It's more of just like, you just get to take, like, victory less because you're so proud of your kids. I feel like that's what the feeling would be like.

It has to be. Yeah. Talk about your parents. Give us a couple of things that you love about your mom and your dad. Now that you're older, you're wiser, you're sappier. You cry more because you have daughters. I've always been a crier, even before the daughters. But I definitely get sappier.

I think my, I was always closer with my dad growing up. My dad coached just in everything, like went to all the games, was like the prototypical just like outstanding father. And I looked up to my dad. I thought my dad was like the best man on the planet.

That's who I wanted to be. Like, I got asked when I was really young, like, what do you want to be when you grow up Jason? I said, I want to be a father. Like that's like, I wanted to be like my dad 100%. And we get a lot of our mentality and a lot of like our traits as human beings, I think, from my father.

and like he's a very driven like tough you know worked in the steel industry like he's just he's a great dad and he was also a loving dad you know he was one of those dads that while he's slapping you on your ass you feel like he loves you still at the same time yeah yeah but he was he was a great dude and he like that's who i wanted to be when i grow up and i think uh my mom i never really had the frame of reference to understand what she was doing for the family when I was younger. And I think I had always had a loving relationship and loved my mom to death. But she was working and making the majority of the money for the family. She was cleaning.

She was like scheduling things out. She was handling all of like the finance. Like all these things that like as a kid you don't really know or you take for granted. And I'm like she was so much of like a foundational aspect for the entire family. And I've told her that sense. Like I just never really even had a understanding of all these things you were doing. And so as a parent, I've gone now to more of like Donna Kelsey's the shit. And still Ed Kelsey's the shit too.

But Donna was, she was a very unique woman to be able to handle all of these different things. That fires me up. Everything you said, like while you're saying those things, I'm like in my head being like, I hope to God my kids talk like talk about me like this. Yeah. Because it's like everything you just said about your dad and your mom, it's like, yeah, you guys as a family, it's like something you want to look up to and be like that's what you want. Your kids to love you to appreciate you, to respect you, all those things.

Yeah. And listen, they worked their ass off. They stayed together as they stayed married because of us just to like raise us, I think, in a lot of ways. They set aside all their dreams, goals, and aspirations to like help us. realize ours and they did it without even questioning it it felt like and I'm sure there were questions I'm sure there were very hard discussions ever had but we never felt that we felt like there was just like an overwhelming abundance of like love and support and anything we wanted to try and do and it was it was a storybook childhood for us and that I don't take for granted one bit that's really cool

hey and now like it's in the family your wife has a podcast now she does she does she does She's crushing it. She is a thousand times better than we are. She is on our tail. She's on our tail. How's the dynamic? Both of you guys podcasters have your own little businesses going? I mean, it's been a lot.

I mean, there's a lot more, you know, we're both have more going on now as, like, professionals. But I think Kylie went to school for journalism and communication. She had a radio, like, show with one of her friends in college where it was like the squirrel in the tree. and they would do that like every week. So she was much more ready to go than we were. Yeah, yeah.

This is like, yeah, I know how to do this right away. And she had a firm understanding of what she wanted to do, the kind of content she wanted to create, who she wanted to talk to, and the kind of conversation she wanted to have. And I think that has resonated really, really well with a lot of people. And for me, I just, I enjoy watching it.

I enjoy seeing her have success with it. And now we're, We just got to be more organized in our scheduling and making sure that we're communicating. Like that's a whole other thing because now we both have stuff going on throughout the week and we have four kids. But we, it's been a lot of fun navigating it for sure. She's good at growing the community, like talking to the, talking to her community. I've like watched a couple of her shows just because not, you know, no free shoutouts for the dads.

I have a dad podcast. And I actually go into, I dive into some of Kylie's stuff just because I think she does. She does. She does a really good job speaking to the community. and making everything sound relatable. Just being like that working mom and crowling everybody. She does a really good job. Thank you.

And Kylie, I would love to have you on for the dads, by the way. Hey, let's go. For Jason Kelsey. Let's go. Whichever camera I'm looking at here. Kylie's a better dad than me, too. You have four kids, all girls?

All girls, brother. Now, when you got to two girls, you're out there swinging for the fences, aren't you? I mean, I'm a swing by the fence this kind of guy. I'm doing that from the get-go. Yeah, yeah. You're trying to get that boy. We, no, we knew.

I mean, listen, if a boy happened, that would be fun. But I think at the end of the day, I say what my dad always said. I just want, we're very blessed to have four healthy, like, smart, charismatic, amazing children. And like, I would not trade any of that for a second. And I think we wanted early on, we talked about, I wanted three kids early on. And that was like, I always felt like Travis and I always wanted like one more sibling. It felt like would have been ideal. And Kyle said you want to five.

So we're at four now. And I think we'll see. That might be it. Yeah. We've been bringing up the V word more than ever. So we'll see if it happens. Ooh, getting the, getting the smoke going down there. Yeah.

Getting the snippy, snippy. Snip. Snip. I think it's a smart move. Once you're done, it's like you don't want any hiccups. Oh, no. Once we're done for sure, I'm definitely getting it done. Yeah.

I think we're still kind of in that. Like, are we done or are we figuring it out? Five girls. My goodness. I know. Nothing like. just getting bossed around by your little girls, man. Jason's gonna become the guy where it's like he's just

gets more... I know he's gonna be in the corner. I'm getting weaker too. It's like, it's like our two-year-old right now, Benny is just like the most charismatic. Like, I don't know how like she came out like this, but like she like blinks and like gives you eyes

and like she's like it's like cheating. You know what I mean? Like she can just look at me and get whatever she wants. And I was the dad when I first had my first girl where I'm like, I'm gonna raise my girl tough and I'm gonna make sure. Yeah, I'm not gonna be like, you know the push over dad and like and completely did not hold up you dismantled you dismantle I was so naive to like how mother nature works and like these girls like look at you just like

one way and it's like come on we're going in the bed let's go yeah I think my two-year-old's been like every time she wakes up in the middle of the night I just like pick her up and half the time I want her to come in bed with me because I know that eventually she's going to be out of that stage where it's going to be possible. And I selfishly want to hold on to that. But I did wake up before coming out here at 6 a.m. And I woke up and I look over to bed to say goodbye to Kai. And my two-year-old and our infant are like in the bed, right?

They got like barriers in between them, but they're sitting where Kylie is. Yeah. Like maybe Kai went up. She's coaching field hockey season right now. Maybe they're at practice. And I get up further. And she's curled up like a cat at the foot of the bed. Oh, shit.

to get one of those Wyoming kids that's right or we just got to stop I got to be a freaking good dad and not bring the kid into the bed I gotta be

I gotta do better I gotta do better I gotta do better all these women in your life man you seems like you're expanding and you're getting the new and I had

I mean for the vast majority of my life my mom was the only woman in my life like it was only me and Travis we had no first cousins I had my Aunt Judy I'll take that back Aunt Judy was definitely

a staple for us but I didn't even know how to like talk to girls growing up. I don't know how you guys were. I was not. I'm like you, bro. Dude, I felt a shell up quick. We talk about like getting in your head,

getting in your head on the field. I got in my head majorly trying to be up into the bar. It's like a whole different ball game. Yeah. Not good. So I'm definitely catching up on getting to know and understand women and girls and females. I'm getting a lot of reps now. And now you're welcoming a new sister-in-law.

That's right. That's pretty big. New news, big news. What makes you so happy about that? Because I was watching, obviously, one of the most explosive podcast episodes in podcast history on New Heights. But as Taylor's talking about Travis,

it's clipped everywhere. The Swipty's love it. Everybody loves it. It seems like you're getting emotional as she's talking about Travis. Yeah. What makes you so happy about all of this happening and Travis finding somebody that really makes him happy? Well, I think, first of all,

I love my brother, and I just want him to have, like, the most fulfilled best life possible. And such a huge part of that is, like, you know, who you end up marrying, who you end up raising a family with. I know the kind of person he is, and I've been blessed to get the No Taylor over the last couple of years. And I just think that they match so well together. They are unbelievably supportive of each other in both of their outlandishly successful worlds.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's like you're listening to somebody describe your brother. And I think a lot of people, I don't know how I said, but you're hearing how like she fully understands why Travis is like an incredible human being. And like the human exclamation point was like the best way I've ever heard Travis described in my life. I think it's like such an accurate statement. The dude just brings joy and like to every place he ever is and like people love him.

And he makes everything better. And I think that they both, to watch them support each other, love each other and get to this stage. And now to have this together, I'm just, I mean, I'm very happy for them. Did we just hear a best man speech? We just heard of best man speech. I'm going to fire up something a lot better. We're going to go out of playing. Yeah.

I got to be good. I got to be good at this. Well, first of all, hopefully I'm the best man. We'll see, Trave has a lot of friends. I'm just hoping to get the opportunity. Right. I mean, we'll be there. There we'll be at the night.

Let's go guys. Let's go boys. You're going, right? Yeah, yeah. It'll be fun. A busing episode live from the... We'll be a live stream it. Well, this has one was his live stream of his wedding.

Was there ever a part of you as big bro just seeing catching Kelsey, the stuff with Travis, the party animal that he is? Like, is he ever going to find somebody? No, because I think when you... I never lost, like, hope that that. what happened. I think he's just, you know, I think you're young, you're having fun, you're figuring things out. I mean, like I said, I didn't even know how to talk to girls until I was like in the NFL and I still don't even know if I knew how to talk to girls in the NFL.

I was an NFL. I was an NFL player, so now they wanted to talk to me. So yeah, yeah, it so it became a lot easier. I don't know if I ever got better at it. I probably still suck at it. But I think, you know, at all times I know my brother's intentions and who he is as a person and the values that my parents raised him with and, you know, how he treats people, how he treats women, how he, all of these things. And I, eventually I think it works out when you go through life, uh,

with that. And it's not for everybody. I don't want to draw too many of that, but like he lives his life the right way. He's a great person. He's unselfish. He, everything he does, I think would lead to him finding, uh, somebody that would want to be with him, uh,

for all the right reasons and more. I love that, man. That is awesome. you expect a great family talk did you whatever we had a roll yeah oh okay there we go bud like question but like question jason you know that um anybody he knows too he understands anyone would do anything for an ice cold crisp bud light what is something that jason kelsey would do anything for um i mean ice cold beer i'm not going to turn that down one bit i got a very embarrassing story from last night about beer.

Okay. All right. So I'm drinking beer. I'm not really hammering them. I'm just kind of putting, you know, won a back every, you know, 30 minutes or something. I'm just kind of enjoying beers last night. And about, I think it was third quarter,

I find out that I've been drinking non-alcoholic beer the entire game. I think the most amount of shame I've ever felt myself really yeah I was just like the fuck is wrong with you Jason who who was the person that cat in the shoulders ahead just so you know Taylor oh she said Travis had just been doing the same thing he's a shame and I'm like time out Travis there's non-alcoholic beer here we had both been drinking these Budweiser zeros thinking they were just some like zero Valerie Budweiser's not thinking it was yeah yeah I'm just like I just wasted three quarters of my light I just say it was I was so funny I was so shamed anyways so uh what was the question what is something you would do anything for you can't say family um what is anything

I would do for anything for and not family can't say family um I would give oh man I don't know that's a great Do I, in this hypothetical scenario, or do I, do I, am I currently in the state I am? Like, do I get like, you can go back if you, if I go back in time, I would go back out on the field in a heartbeat. I think that's, I would give anything to be able to play football again. And I don't think I can do that anymore, but I'd like thoroughly miss being out there with the guys and playing the game. And I know that's a very not exciting answer, but I think that's the first thing that popped into my head. I mean, I cherish the time out there with the guys. And again, like, when you're in it, you hate going through the grind of training camp and like the two,

we did two days in high school and college. But, you know, you hate those moments. But then when you're done, like, those are the ones that you kind of miss. Like, I miss, you know, being my shoulder hurting and being bloody and, like, trying to fight through a practice. Like, I miss my shoes. squeaking with sweat out of them while I'm like walking across the field like it's weird it's I don't know maybe I'm like a masochist and I don't even know it but like hearing what an injury should do to you and thinking to myself I'm going to fucking I take this is a challenge yeah I'm gonna

fucking go out there anyways and see if I can get it done I'm not they're saying six weeks I'm gonna show him how I'll be back in three yeah I did that with a sport tourney it was really stupid dude how about the feeling up after like the longest morning practice and you just get done you're back in the locker and your shoes aren't even off yet, but you know like this is the longest time you'll have until the next practice and that weight just being completely off your shoulders. Yes. And everyone gets that hour and a half to kind of goof off and fuck around.

Yeah. That is something you miss. We're just having fun with the boys of the potential rumor that are we not going to have a walk through in the afternoon? Are we hearing about a movie? Is he going to let us go home? Are we going to a water park? Yeah.

You're one side of them? Yeah. I heard they got buses outside. I saw them. Every year. Every year, like the second week of camp, I would go and like whispered like a rookie and be like, hey, you know, last year we did this. We're around this time.

I'm hearing rumors that there's a movie day. We're getting practice. And I would lay that one thing there. By the time we started practice, 15 other guys were coaching. I heard there's a movie day today. And I'm like, oh, no, shit, really? Well, that's a vet move too because there were guys that would, Connor Bar would do something very similar.

And you would get that little rumor started. And I don't even know if the coaches wanted to do it. But then the rumors get started. And they're like, now if we don't have a movie day, it's going to be upsetting the guys. Yeah. I think we're going to have a movie day now. You got to have a movie day.

It would never look like that. It would never. Braves in a robbery. No, I was going to say, I'm thinking that would be iconic. That would be insane. There was one year. Hate to burst your fucking bubble.

Right. So he brought us up. So we do it happen. There's all these rumors swirling. He brought us up before. And he's like, I heard a lot of stuff about movies. I don't know who the fuck told you guys that. We're not doing a movie day.

We're getting to work. Actually, put the ball down right now. We're also knighted in your shells. It's full pads. That's great. Yeah. Dude, we appreciate you coming on. No, thanks for that.

Jason, man. Thank you, bro. Yes, sir. I've been a long time coming. Has been. Long time coming. Now, there will be one more beer Olympics. There technically has to be.

Okay, one more beer Olympics. One more. When is it? Is it always scheduled during the same time I'm doing mine or are we doing? Oh, yeah. Should we collab? So mine is, our event down the shore that week is always the week before July 4th. So it is always going to be.

be whatever, because we get the bar that we do our thing at the Wednesday before July 4th week for the way that their whole season schedules. So I think that's like June 25th or 4th or something like that this year. So as long as it doesn't interfere with that week, I would love to be a part of it. It might be worth to figure something out. My brain's working right now. You guys want to team up and just do it? That makes sense.

That's what I'm saying. Why haven't we thought about that? Yeah. Instead of just trying to make two different things, drinking days work. Just do one. Because I know there's, there's, are you guys open to doing it down the shore and doing some stuff for charity for Eagles autism? I was going to say I know you got like a

part of art. Yeah, yeah, you got like a charitable. He's not a big charity guy, but I'll talk about it. He's always like, fuck, kids. I'll make sure to dial it in. I was thinking, like, I know there's a charity aspect about I'm sure there's something that we could figure out. Yeah, really, we just do it my backyard. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I guess we could just do a charity thing. It's all right to spin on you.

We could probably make it more benefits with the rest of the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's stuff that we could do, but yeah, yeah, I feel like it, this is. It's sitting right in front of us, boys. Yeah. Like at the end of day, we want to enjoy some cold beers and have some fun. Have some fun. Settle, you know, chuggle couple.

Get after it. What else would you rather have? What was the question again? What else would you rather have? Then an ice, cold, crisp. Bud light. I can't say it. Bud.

Dude, thank you for coming. Yeah. Thank you, bro. You're the man, Jason. Oh, yeah. 21 plus and present in select states. For Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D. Opt-in-reclos.

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